< 1401580822 552515 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think polypoly is a CMS system < 1401581007 448011 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :poly wants a cookie < 1401581028 255701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm sorry, that must clearly be rholy- greek r is always aspirated hth < 1401582706 197244 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A rholypoly is an edible Greek species of Armadillidiidae. Goes well with garlic! < 1401582707 803784 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1401582792 449967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah i think this packet of orange juice is unusually sour < 1401583626 655766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :orange juice comes in packets? < 1401583659 144087 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1401583682 232062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this about lovers and wives and poly < 1401583685 360169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why is Quintopia capitalized today < 1401583801 735678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://www.supermarket.no/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/235x/f6f16b5d1c90e7b178d9c9bcfc699527/s/u/sunniva-orginal-appelsinjuice-1_75-l.jpg < 1401583915 467385 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia is in a permanent state of being capitalized. < 1401583976 444340 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1401583982 626294 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other channel there is a quanticle < 1401583993 735543 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it frequently results in mispings < 1401583997 117666 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :same length and start < 1401584009 494206 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought a case difference might help < 1401584043 302987 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hi boily, would you like to know what i am most likely to be doing at a given hour of a random day? < 1401584087 184305 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401584095 538127 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: yes? < 1401584267 220304 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like that brainfuck survey. i want to answer "this and this and this are all good choices" and "it depends" for all of them < 1401584313 771735 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ibin.co/1OMoLTjhEy49 < 1401584369 987352 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a standard that just enumerates all possible behaviors without specifying anything sounds pretty good < 1401584383 44493 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a standard is what the survey is supposed to produce < 1401584396 684180 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"notsleeping" means "i should be asleep but i'm doing some other random crap". if i filter out "notsleeping" and "bed" those four hours become "blog, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping" < 1401584453 906773 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401584477 12489 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ibin.co/1OMr2pMlF2v4 this is the same thing but on the weekend < 1401584687 148153 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that localtime? < 1401584713 260094 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:51b9:1b4e:6781:e0d1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401584925 28478 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's US eastern time (adjusted for dst as necessary?) < 1401585022 656889 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your timezone is misaligned hth < 1401585051 268079 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a side effect of an evening job < 1401585069 716283 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had one one summer. I was working from 5pm up until about 2am. < 1401585090 402916 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember 'tis was the summer where I watched the Fullmetal Panic the first time. < 1401585146 411362 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that related to full metal jacket? < 1401585167 140181 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 'tis was makes no sense hth < 1401585242 584657 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1401585266 127439 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too late for me to properly conjugate. < 1401585289 552262 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's never too late! even the dead can learn to read! < 1401585307 645180 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay time for exercise < 1401585329 420123 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1401585348 509850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind? < 1401585390 379220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src foldr < 1401585390 616088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldr f z [] = z < 1401585390 842838 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldr f z (x:xs) = f x (foldr f z xs) < 1401585400 857833 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammatical workout! < 1401585478 954464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23969963/printing-definitions-of-functions-classes-in-ghci-with-lambdabot < 1401585554 451532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the answer is "lambdabot can't do that" but i'm not sure enough to answer. < 1401585608 72378 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1401585761 285699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23969963/printing-definitions-of-functions-classes-in-ghci-with-lambdabot < 1401585761 406079 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1401586441 538668 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401586670 484815 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401586689 659279 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401587044 373766 :realz!~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401587044 422184 :realz!~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Changing host < 1401587044 422233 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1401587331 460654 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1401587332 145539 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 010100Z 11006KT 30SM SCT240 18/09 A3029 RMK CI4 SLP257 < 1401587337 751589 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows open tonight. < 1401587343 904737 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: AERATED CHICKEN < 1401587369 213607 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401587540 528742 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401587566 497670 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401587851 957642 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401587901 500959 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :halp < 1401587918 248649 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone tell me how it works (and whether it is correct) http://bpaste.net/show/326061/ < 1401587924 834275 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know no haskell < 1401588008 32092 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for us in a repl) < 1401588077 302276 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:[]) < 1401588217 54317 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia, you should hire back the wizards who wrote this < 1401588344 450521 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supposed to count the number of paths of length at least 1 in a 3x3 grid < 1401588625 687028 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:51b9:1b4e:6781:e0d1 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1401588660 467083 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401588944 344842 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:c8da:62e3:5840:4130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401589093 61921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t runStateT < 1401589093 904524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :StateT s m a -> s -> m (a, s) < 1401589227 943851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: looks plausible hth < 1401589350 355443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although this made not be one of the cases where StateT is clearer than explicit accumulator passing :P < 1401589355 734390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*may not < 1401589417 482923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and adjacents might seem a little inefficient (no caching of results) < 1401589649 70268 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:c8da:62e3:5840:4130 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1401589667 311640 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:c8da:62e3:5840:4130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401589700 997035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: perhaps it would help if i unraveled the StateT part? walk (visited@(cur:_) = do next <- adjacents cur; if (next `elem` visited) then return visited else (walk (next:visited)) ... oh wait there's a bug. < 1401589735 613058 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401589752 415481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: nope it's not correct because it will duplicate final paths if there is more than one already visited cell to the final one < 1401589814 151822 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it overcounts? < 1401589831 439373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1401589875 424091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cell next to < 1401589983 191961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let walk :: StateT [(Integer, Integer)] [] (); walk = do {visited@(cur:_) <- get; next <- lift (adjacents cur); unless (next `elem` visited) (modify (next:) >> walk)} < 1401589986 117694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1401590047 612713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let walk :: StateT [(Integer, Integer)] [] (); walk = do {visited@(cur:_) <- get; next <- lift (adjacents cur); guard (next `notElem` visited); (modify (next:) >> (get `mplus` walk)} < 1401590053 621247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :try that. < 1401590063 466149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1401590068 319505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1401590087 46554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw that someone did make up a "co-do-notation", which they called "method-notation". < 1401590174 95933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall there was a discussion about whether comonad notation was method calls. i don't think everyone agreed. < 1401590182 274873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was essentially < 1401590226 503059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let walk :: StateT [(Integer, Integer)] [] (); walk = do {visited@(cur:_) <- get; next <- lift (adjacents cur); guard (next `notElem` visited); (modify (next:) >> (return () `mplus` walk)} < 1401590267 845400 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:c8da:62e3:5840:4130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'=a$#""7[H < 1401590283 536948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't matter what it returns since it's extracting just the state anyway. < 1401590333 40355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _think_ that will work but someone might want to test it. < 1401590395 500497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it is like method calls either, but I can see how it work. It is similar to a do-notation, and you can bind variables, but instead of giving a wrapped result and the variable's value is unwrapped, it is other way around; furthermore, there is a implicit variable "this" which is defined as the current value of the object at the current step. It can be call method-notation, whether or not it is resembling method calls. < 1401590427 616473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even just like, do-notation does not necessarily have to sequence actions either. < 1401590486 841855 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just can you tell me what result it gives? i don't have haskell set up here < 1401590501 824469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait you want _me_ to test it, how awkward < 1401590529 280979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: You can also run Haskell codes on lambdabot and on HackEgo < 1401590597 457449 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i would fail miserably if i tried that < 1401590600 377450 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm hopeless < 1401590654 429366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh mismatched parenthesis < 1401590661 100799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad mac < 1401590664 553835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let walk :: StateT [(Integer, Integer)] [] (); walk = do {visited@(cur:_) <- get; next <- lift (adjacents cur); guard (next `notElem` visited); modify (next:) >> (return () `mplus` walk)} < 1401590759 24684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (return () `mplus` ...) actually does something? < 1401590771 236444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course this would be just the time for that autoscrolling bug of my touchpad driver to happen < 1401590787 897656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: result is 644 hth < 1401590821 669006 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow so low. < 1401590843 210741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure, in this case the return () gives an alternative which halts the computation there with the current path, and then the part after does the prolonging alternative. < 1401590855 690122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> return () `mplus` [1,2,3] < 1401590857 169137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num ()) arising from the literal ‘1’ < 1401590862 499236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> return 0 `mplus` [1,2,3] < 1401590864 203467 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,2,3] < 1401590868 802506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. < 1401590872 812848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am I doing that < 1401590874 126641 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and this counts a->b and b->a as separate paths, yes? < 1401590874 702515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the current path being in the StateT state < 1401590883 797142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, okay. weird < 1401590891 498715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: yes. also it does not repeat cells in the path. < 1401590910 771233 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good good < 1401590920 449522 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i trust you < 1401590939 745196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can trust me, but _i_ don't trust that code not to have bugs hth < 1401590988 7919 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh < 1401591009 170079 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my faith that your code is correct is higher than my faith that random guy's code is correct < 1401591014 758599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the first 5 elements of paths do look plausible < 1401591039 126626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[(1,0),(0,0)],[(2,0),(1,0),(0,0)],[(2,1),(2,0),(1,0),(0,0)],[(1,1),(2,1),(2,0),(1,0),(0,0)],[(0,1),(1,1),(2,1),(2,0),(1,0),(0,0)]] < 1401591067 319203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the paths are backwards from the point the search starts) < 1401591099 778221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 9 cells so, hm... < 1401591123 209531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> product [1..9] < 1401591125 105312 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 362880 < 1401591159 295384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm < 1401591173 257289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1*2*3*4^6 < 1401591174 846738 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 24576 < 1401591186 968980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no < 1401591192 687990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1*2*3*4^5*9 < 1401591194 263749 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 55296 < 1401591212 450560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like a slightly better overestimate < 1401591221 107194 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1401591231 700005 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best underestimate i can think of is 256 < 1401591254 86275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with some cells only having 1-3 neighbors - oh wait, except for the first only 3 can be used... < 1401591269 491416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1*2*3^5*4*9 < 1401591271 111548 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 17496 < 1401591295 371158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still an overestimate. i don't think it's so implausible that it's 644. < 1401591308 95208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1401591339 596345 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't say much for the security of the combo lock on my smartphone then < 1401591341 678633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot paths don't all have length exactly 9. not that i think that matters much for this estimate. < 1401591354 383440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: heh < 1401591359 701578 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it locks down after too many wrong attempts. i don't think it does. < 1401591413 681139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: actually HackEgo no longer has haskell < 1401591479 595799 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: could you better explain me the bug you fixed. something like if the final node is adjacent to two visited vertices it counts the path twice? < 1401591492 479731 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did it do that? < 1401591522 33822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : right, okay. weird <-- the StateT ... [] () just lifts the mplus of the underlying [] monad, btw < 1401591562 156142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHy does it no longer have Haskell though? < 1401591582 462525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Gregor didn't install haskell on the new server when he moved HackEgo < 1401591663 925037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, well you can still use Haskell on lambdabot although there are various restrictions if you do that. < 1401591710 491890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: yep, because the unless (next `elem` visited) test happens _after_ next has already been selected and thus, if the test fails for two different next's, they give two different "parallel computations" with the same result. < 1401591713 527075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also see if you have access to a telnet or SSH with Haskell installed < 1401591791 335913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PART :#esoteric < 1401591920 798735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while my version works by simply failing the computation with no result at all in that case, and instead doing a return () before the recursive walk < 1401591976 378361 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the guy who wrote it thinks it's "obvious" that the test will happen after next has been selected. why does it fail in that case? < 1401592066 149312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: it fails because a result path is counted once for each "next" that stops it < 1401592141 929523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the next is not itself included in that path < 1401592153 660340 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that makes sense < 1401592514 181149 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"isnt [] a left zero of >>?" < 1401592573 547522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: yes, and so? < 1401592640 43912 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :he tested the line you pasted above and said it failed < 1401592663 252086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my last version? < 1401592683 639106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did fix a mismatched parenthesis < 1401592716 669695 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one from :44 < 1401592807 801831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be let walk :: StateT [(Integer, Integer)] [] (); walk = do {visited@(cur:_) <- get; next <- lift (adjacents cur); guard (next `notElem` visited); modify (next:) >> (return () `mplus` walk)} < 1401592879 373789 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's what i said < 1401592897 900766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he remember to include the other lines from the pastebin? < 1401592923 337986 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would assume so. they were in his repl after all < 1401592950 13111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also to re-let the following ones < 1401592956 620361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they use the new version < 1401592969 817518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of failure did he get < 1401593018 286523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he pasted from irssi there may be formatting problems due to line wrapping (i had to fix that) < 1401593019 838284 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:c8da:62e3:5840:4130 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401593047 270902 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:c8da:62e3:5840:4130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401593254 759531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapM_ (print.reverse) $ take 30 paths looks precisely as i would expect, and there are no duplicate paths. < 1401593282 121175 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:c8da:62e3:5840:4130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'=a$#]\[[H < 1401593318 420686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: are you a russian encrypted channel < 1401593389 45400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: well, not much i can do to help without a bug report hth < 1401593568 447463 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might get one < 1401593582 199557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1401593758 571723 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401593803 281161 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:c8da:62e3:5840:4130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401593876 945467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i did, confusion cleared up now < 1401593890 424851 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :waht < 1401593894 280128 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 NICK :^v < 1401594024 315760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: we now agree that my haskell definition seems to work < 1401595790 498131 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401595794 375900 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401596153 528848 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401596153 614631 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401596696 880888 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1401596727 824825 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401596803 583204 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1401598006 528415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am writing the C library for VM360, which is based on Ada/CS Object Machine, which is based on IBM 360/370 series mainframe computers. < 1401598064 718960 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the IBM 360 was a sweet computer < 1401598085 883906 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: I don't know much about it though. < 1401598118 94338 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a bunch of my coworkers used them < 1401598134 706682 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1401598137 765922 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were microcoded, which was pretty aweomse < 1401598161 102466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think it would be < 1401598178 728032 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the IBM techs had various debugging microcode they could use < 1401598253 403711 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be sweet if you could get the actual microcode and run that in an emulator < 1401598327 511630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it could, but I don't have any such thing, nor is it what I am making. < 1401598758 430182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I detect floating point underflow in a C code? < 1401598809 268179 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1401598812 964437 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making malbolge < 1401598817 341717 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 4D < 1401598888 723479 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it uses base 9 < 1401598947 930262 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Most_ever_Brainfuckiest_Fuck_you_Brain_fucker_Fuck < 1401599028 358548 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anger management issues < 1401599038 526388 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> and take its decimal expansion < 1401599039 709847 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘its’ < 1401599039 834639 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1401599039 882763 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘ito’ (imported from Control.Lens), < 1401599039 882830 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘bits’ (imported from Data.Bits.Lens)Not in scope: ‘expansion’ < 1401599043 75499 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> then you go fuck yourself. < 1401599044 429529 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error on input ‘then’ < 1401599044 479928 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1401599045 899125 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap < 1401599049 838555 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot, stahp < 1401599072 159512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feature < 1401599074 377299 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION beats the shit out of lambdabot until it stops beeping < 1401599098 978968 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, NOTICE atleast ;-; < 1401599101 188882 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway: malbolge in a hilbert space < 1401599110 501871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it discourages starting lines with > < 1401599122 849666 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :show the "not in scope" then notice them the "peraps you meant" < 1401599387 575749 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would anyone even want to try to use my malbolge? < 1401600557 640177 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talk talk:Turing tarpit < 1401600557 921887 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pssst... spambots... edit this page so it gets protected... —ehird 19:01, 13 April 2011 (UTC) < 1401600557 969778 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spambot: No. < 1401601088 700255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, I do in fact remember writing that comment three years ago. < 1401601142 619535 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is easy to figure out my speed, since I walk at a constant speed," Recordis said proudly. < 1401601327 525572 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A regular 4294967296-gon is constructible with straightedge and compass. < 1401601329 11581 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkay < 1401601356 934717 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's news you can use < 1401601378 382013 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :procedure for drawing higher polygons with a straightedge and compass: just draw a fucking circle noone can tell the difference < 1401601398 61424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2^32-agon" has a better ring to it < 1401601416 146346 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :four score and 2^32 ago < 1401601494 288029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep seeing a red lobster ad for "the ultimate, lobster topped lobster" < 1401601771 913802 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: if you draw one a thousand miles wide they can < 1401601803 519328 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not going to do that < 1401601899 562921 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://puu.sh/9a0uj/6964e4826c.png < 1401601903 917513 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1401601913 692855 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are my puushes long now D: < 1401601943 689883 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse you, i'm at LEAST three fourths assing < 1401602591 207755 :password2!~password@197.78.170.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401602892 314012 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401602978 631192 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1401602986 136965 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401603144 266903 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401603177 566555 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401603231 406743 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :These characters start with a deadline to understand using integrals for areas of 2 hours 56 minutes. They only start making progress with 9 minutes left. < 1401603318 465873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like every maths problems set I tried to do < 1401603334 547938 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6c0e:d98:bb20:f351 QUIT :Client Quit < 1401603354 455020 :johnw!~johnw@c-98-214-120-98.hsd1.il.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401603381 83620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I feel I should add, what < 1401603389 819902 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm having trouble parsing t his < 1401603407 309888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume Sgeo is watching anime in which people learn maths < 1401603417 348946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasonable assumption < 1401603419 147011 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: book < 1401603440 790687 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope anime < 1401603482 111589 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Gremlin set fires in pools that will destroy the country unless the pools are filled with the exact amount of water needed < 1401603525 755469 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :buh? < 1401603531 274320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Blaketh taught me to play pool the other day < 1401603538 41046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i'm still confused about the rules and also bad at it < 1401603547 367064 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can like, fill a pool with water without computing how much water there is beforehand < 1401603591 75314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a maths book in which there's a story and the moral of the story is you should've learned maths < 1401603600 52012 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the first part is right < 1401603604 846708 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also integrals are really demoralizing as homework goes < 1401603613 741530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a meta-maths book where you have to use integrals or something to figure out how long it took people to learn maths < 1401603623 81768 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had an assignment to do fourier series of a bunch of functions and i pretty much gave up after one trig integral < 1401603626 137190 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckem < 1401603643 471956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :integrals are a bit of a scow imo < 1401603692 380277 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lunch right now?" the count cried. "It's 11:23 1/2 A.M.!" < 1401603699 694869 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fuck is a scow < 1401603710 296796 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We always have lunch at 11:23 1/2 A.M., on the dot," Recordis said. < 1401603713 720870 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a barge < 1401603874 88373 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I hope it's some easy number like 2 or 3," Recordis said. "We need to think of some letter to stand for the unknown base until we find out what it is." < 1401603890 623137 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They turned to me, and I came up with another suggestion: that we let the letter e stand for the unknown base. < 1401603909 288744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if you quote much more it's going to rapidly exceed the bounds of fair use. < 1401603942 561506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I may have ulterior motives for wishing to stop the unauthorised reproduction of bad books into IRC channels I'm in.) < 1401603946 224327 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this prose sucks < 1401603956 53874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike is correct < 1401603963 955213 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey remember that time we got that ~esoteric~ book linked here < 1401603967 806947 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was like, a whole week ago < 1401603970 195518 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man good times huh < 1401604035 310924 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a bad book! I love it! Just... the writing seems more blatantly written to serve the needs of the math, which does make sense < 1401604084 964218 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how it always goes < 1401604096 992283 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plot and writing and characters are total s hit but you keep reading because you're a fucking nerd < 1401604146 551622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I respect your opinion and still think it's a bad book. < 1401604254 254877 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At one point, someone slips while etching something on glass, so they decide to find the answer for what was accidentally etched < 1401604437 161035 :johnw!~johnw@c-98-214-120-98.hsd1.il.comcast.net PART #esoteric :"ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" < 1401604961 763294 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401608855 474604 :password2!~password@197.78.170.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401609323 580545 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401609380 359759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome scp < 1401609381 602901 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13irc.dal.net.) < 1401609408 755348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/relcome < 1401609409 618882 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rwelcome < 1401609414 776297 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet rainbow < 1401609424 592293 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thanks < 1401609429 383582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -sf rwelcome bin/relcome < 1401609431 62600 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1401609451 240410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome scp < 1401609452 332302 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04scp: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 06esoterica, 13try 04#esoteric 07on 08irc.dal.net.) < 1401609453 688295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better. < 1401609557 578191 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401609596 385960 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401609613 226849 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401609973 357212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the `undo didn't reinstate links either... < 1401610104 777491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/welcome < 1401610105 422169 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome"; } < 1401610254 573830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/welcome* < 1401610255 398899 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/welcome \ bin/welcome13 < 1401610385 572917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*welcome* < 1401610386 259005 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/rwelcome \ bin/welcome \ bin/welcome \ bin/welcome13 < 1401610433 762047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1401610434 540447 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1401610445 438341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1401610528 267971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/welcome/welcome "$@"/' bin/welcome < 1401610529 492861 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1401610538 261591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome hi < 1401610539 87072 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​hi: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1401610572 847846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome hi < 1401610573 844610 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​hi: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1401610583 779077 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the rainbow much better than the bold (as experienced via irssi) < 1401610597 675770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there are many variants. < 1401610600 569489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE scp < 1401610601 594559 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ScP: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: . (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.) < 1401610793 298960 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-qlwhrlpdugmgyfzh QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401610912 191824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401611043 315902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://www.friendsofcoleridge.com/membersonly/Clayson_Ramsgate_files/borges.htm < 1401611546 691480 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-mpliqnceygljowfg JOIN :#esoteric < 1401612008 405397 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host-231-197-68-109.arq1.ldn.uk.sharedband.net PART :#esoteric < 1401612085 434231 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ysqhgovxnlsnbhhu QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1401612504 658309 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that last example is way too optimistic about the case-insensitivity of the systems I use < 1401612799 776308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey we just fixed the url so it _should_ work... < 1401612810 946335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :before it didn't at all. < 1401613576 539112 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1401613802 137074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Was the "other way" just removing the main-page part from the URL? < 1401613892 146087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1401613919 25361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the wiki/ < 1401614108 148210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So sneaky. < 1401614167 539595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :back when the first `welcome was made, the link didn't work without the wiki/ at least < 1401614203 207310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there was a root page with links to the archive as well < 1401614208 859287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the forum < 1401615713 323661 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401615768 230293 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401617609 541858 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401618525 248782 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1401618773 906867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1401621157 954236 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a forum? < 1401621429 814361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: http://esolangs.org/forum/ < 1401621945 508514 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401622297 848251 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1401622986 849964 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, there is a forum? < 1401623732 94315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401624511 643170 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more I read about rust, the more it makes sense. < 1401625043 286241 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401626167 172066 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1401627311 554871 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401627718 855156 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1401627720 83632 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401628125 426601 :kallisti_!~adam@h215.185.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401628731 48689 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401628925 469597 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1401629145 666252 :realz!~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401629145 754337 :realz!~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Changing host < 1401629145 754394 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1401629450 435703 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1401629653 615924 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1401629839 823791 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I wonder is < 1401629849 529691 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What languages did the Soviet Union use, outside of assemblyu < 1401629987 978460 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they use capitalist swine languages or make their own < 1401630373 454646 :impomatic!~john_metc@94.116.145.198 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401630508 130408 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. SO does not allow anonymous answers at all? I mean I can get the effect by making a new account, and they do not verify e-mail addresses, but there will be an account. < 1401630533 189054 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just another stupid social media website. < 1401630676 790679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think the intended purpose of Stack Overflow is to use gamification and social media techniques to trick people into contributing to an FAQ < 1401630717 741493 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1401630738 260176 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't want to play that game. They tend suck up my time. < 1401630741 514040 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tend *to < 1401630746 716690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC is bad enough :P < 1401631037 951896 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should brush my teeth. < 1401631040 340742 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1401632333 388907 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I got interested in the Soviet space program and was interested to discover that the software on the Buran spacecraft circa 1988 was written in Prolog. " < 1401632335 435140 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew it < 1401632340 451996 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolog is a communist plot < 1401632377 954923 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The author himself participated in many early projects (mostly in hardware) and according to him analog hardware was in favor for a long time, he mentions that space rendezvous tasks didn't use digital computers until the late 70's." < 1401632429 488048 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRAKON < 1401632430 655325 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man < 1401632617 501859 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing wrong with prolog, except for cuts and negation as failure ;-) < 1401632652 259386 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I prefer declarative programming languages) < 1401632666 950435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolog with cut is a completely different language to prolog without cut < 1401632795 958283 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: they at least invented their own hardware < 1401632797 965596 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1401632803 353540 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cited something related to that already < 1401632807 519466 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, quoted < 1401632882 743777 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they had some ternary computers < 1401632889 234843 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1401635358 436895 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-75-86.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401635385 611461 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-75-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: they started cloning western hardware in... i wanna say the 70s, and before that things were kind of prehistoric < 1401635391 885269 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-75-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drakon and DSSP are the languages i can remember < 1401635451 39161 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-75-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a manuscript http://www.sigcis.org/?q=node/85 < 1401635460 316567 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-75-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly about the relay era, but still interesting < 1401635463 661558 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401635466 191442 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-75-86.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1401635577 234520 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm semi-aware of a book on the space coomputers, but it's only in Russian and i don't know anything about it beyond the ISBN < 1401635715 362745 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :analogue computers make sense. you don't have to worry about clocks, A/D and D/A conversion, and the associated latencies. < 1401635791 26120 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401635795 773496 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder where the cited cost savings for ternary computers come from and whether there is anything like CMOS (which cut down power consumption of binary computers tremendously) for ternary logic. < 1401635885 482264 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with emphasis on the "C"omplementary part) < 1401635894 731469 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :setun was 1958, they sure as fuck weren't using ICs < 1401635926 164079 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot fathom what a ternary logic gate would look like. < 1401636021 483851 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.computer-museum.ru/english/setun.htm here, have a badly translated article about it < 1401636025 47853 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401636049 943753 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess "Threshold realization of threevalued logic on electromagnetic elements" would be the paper < 1401636086 297410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ternary may have been killed by the miniaturization of circuits < 1401636093 49238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :small transistors only work properly at low voltages < 1401636104 751582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning three voltage levels become much harder to distinguish than two < 1401636122 306156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's been a steady downward decline in the voltages computers use internally, because of this < 1401636136 736211 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.trinary.ru/projects/setunws/ i recommend switching randomly < 1401636370 350426 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also try pushing buttons < 1401636433 649670 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-English-based_programming_languages < 1401636437 546759 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>chinese C++ < 1401636440 636850 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh lawdy < 1401636569 960163 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :قلب (qlb) – an Arabic Scheme-like programming language exploring the role of human culture in coding[22] < 1401636571 140122 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1401636720 747925 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cjyfhogejgctdwbp JOIN :#esoteric < 1401636990 763939 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401638306 54652 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401638392 471626 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401638751 490799 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401641876 506989 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401641876 646007 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401642205 431314 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401642305 647051 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust almost_a_vibrator >(+-)*100000 < 1401642318 438132 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Leb_almost_a_vibrator: 7.4 < 1401642356 856239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leb: the main way that program wins without the > is that opponents think they've cleared the flag and move on < 1401642379 768214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the >, if that happens, the enemy program will just assume it cleared a decoy and move on to the flag < 1401642420 664854 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it was supposed to mostly draw < 1401642430 296118 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1401642435 184959 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-22-125.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1401642473 317208 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-22-125.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1401642473 365734 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1401642682 487271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1401642798 390983 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401644000 355214 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :While on the topic of weird old russian computers, there's also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_for_operations_with_functions < 1401644576 687152 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1401644972 643797 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love operations with functions! < 1401644992 145028 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: i think i saw an article on that one. turns out most editors barf on rtl text, who knew < 1401645038 710120 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401645138 223377 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401645341 556489 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401645382 453715 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401645571 468738 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-86.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401645669 279956 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1401645679 481645 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401646659 66839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401646787 547381 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1401647199 603612 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1401647441 871157 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401647760 783722 :canaima!~invitado@190.203.183.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401647802 758408 :canaima!~invitado@190.203.183.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola:-X < 1401647819 242101 :canaima!~invitado@190.203.183.112 PART :#esoteric < 1401647983 55487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didn't last long < 1401648021 285493 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1401648038 871281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401648046 514144 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401648097 801285 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_selfie "A space selfie is a selfie (self-portrait photograph typically posted on social media sites) that is taken in space." < 1401648126 387875 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. encyclopædic < 1401648188 631872 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Serious topics in the mainstream news < 1401648411 59349 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Space selfies can be dated back to 1976 when the lander of the Viking 2 mission took the photo of its deck after landing on Mars; however they were not considered by Discovery News as a true selfie in its list of top 10 space robot selfies. < 1401648434 959516 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Curiosity_first_space_selfie_%28raw_image%29.jpg is mars like, dusty < 1401648450 76221 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that dusty < 1401648567 48918 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There have been worse selfies < 1401648627 338053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :list of top 10 space robot selfies < 1401648629 915311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quality journalism < 1401649493 413456 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1401649592 553004 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Client Quit < 1401649795 14550 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401649941 247912 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1401651258 86873 :impomatic__!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401651289 701540 :impomatic__!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net NICK :impomatic < 1401651990 962472 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of any C program to parse a Haskell syntax? < 1401652234 825707 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401652723 149981 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1401653566 612925 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1401653937 425466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to use a object notation (like JSON or XML or YAML or whatever), but having the features like: * Data types: string, integer, floating-point, null, record, reference, list, foreign-function-call. * External text encoding (if used from a C program, you can therefore make up any text encoding you want). * Non-indentation-sensitive syntax. * An object can be tagged with a name, and referenced before, after, and/or inside of that object. < 1401653973 305753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, and perhaps also simple macros. < 1401653984 95490 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :macros in data? < 1401654057 122341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; I want to specify a macro for a certain data structure and use the macro many times just filling in the parameters that differ. Similar to a C macro, kind of. < 1401654094 565462 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't some lisps have a way of encoding recursive structures using some # syntax? < 1401654113 430483 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that SpiderMonkey (JS) does, and I think that was borrowed from some lisp < 1401654116 826957 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but I am not trying to make recursive structures anyways < 1401654123 530808 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :using libz is almost like automatically determining a suitable set of macros < 1401654135 844342 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I was thinking about the "give a name of a subexpression and re-use it" part < 1401654169 765577 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hm, maybe that's not what you meant with giving a name to an object and referencing it < 1401654175 141265 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that zzo wants parameters. < 1401654176 359229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: No, I meant to reference it, not re-use it. Furthermore, multiple same expressions with different names can also be considered different references. < 1401654195 92514 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like foo(x) = [4,x,4,4,4,4], and then have a data structure of [foo(7),foo(4)] < 1401654232 205588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, to have a macro like that. < 1401654326 81720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually macro could be considered as the same datatype as a foreign-function-call; the differences is just that a macro is defined inside of the data file, and then a foreign-function-call will call a C function or whatever (and which might create an opaque object of its own type, or do other things, including possibly side-effects). < 1401654352 507856 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i've always wanted to call out to C from json, < 1401654356 615388 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Sharp_variables_in_JavaScript aha < 1401654411 961397 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty lol < 1401654445 522471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes I have seen that < 1401655184 158307 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401655292 224652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1401655505 982677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can try to make up such format but I don't know what it is called! < 1401655533 46783 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zzo's Cool Data Storage Format < 1401655622 461492 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401655633 135109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should abbreviate it? Then it would be called "ZCDSF" < 1401655648 166732 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thinking. < 1401655650 874908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it is OK < 1401655870 421937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : wait, there is a forum? <-- only the archive. it was hardly ever used and overrun with spam, so when elliott took over from graue he made it readonly. < 1401655886 189910 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401655886 468020 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401655889 586868 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401655983 288173 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1401656018 603405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Did they use capitalist swine languages or make their own <-- i do recall reading about refal, which seemed interesting. < 1401656022 4126 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we used it occasionally just for the fun of using t < 1401656032 870905 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the wiki's better for the sort of thing you'd normally use a forum for, IMO < 1401656074 621769 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401656083 141115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it mainly existed because graue had a sort of hangup that the wiki _shouldn't_ be used as a forum. < 1401656264 146706 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401656280 391005 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401656308 764094 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401656308 813290 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401656367 143167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bah. SO does not allow anonymous answers at all? I mean I can get the effect by making a new account, and they do not verify e-mail addresses, but there will be an account. <-- that's weird, my first SO answer was definitely unregistered. although i _did_ use my real name and probably gave my email address, it wasn't made into a "real" account until after i had to go through hoops to get it back because my cookies had long since expired. < 1401656412 162291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose they're really sort of accounts anyway. < 1401656425 365423 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://stackoverflow.com/users/3696868/user3696868 < 1401656434 804483 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I meant < 1401656486 634807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's probably as anonymous as it gets. < 1401656492 437647 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "Unregistered" is there way of saying that it's not a full account yet. < 1401656496 965516 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*their < 1401656537 893994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION upvotes you :P < 1401656544 212723 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401656586 622078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src foldr < 1401656586 752513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldr f z [] = z < 1401656586 880344 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldr f z (x:xs) = f x (foldr f z xs) < 1401656624 904357 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src foldr < 1401656625 24867 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldr f z [] = z < 1401656625 151462 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldr f z (x:xs) = f x (foldr f z xs) < 1401656644 917300 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src foldl < 1401656645 5606 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl f z [] = z < 1401656645 93994 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl f z (x:xs) = foldl f (f z x) xs < 1401656656 714991 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are all lies < 1401656658 47961 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401656671 110937 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1401656674 827209 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just discovered a USB memory stick in a pocket after taking out a pair of jeans from the closet. Surprisingly it works just fine, even though it would have gone through the washing machine. < 1401656674 874886 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401656699 507436 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl :: forall a b. (b -> a -> b) -> b -> [a] -> b < 1401656699 628145 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl k z0 xs = foldr (\(v::a) (fn::b->b) (z::b) -> fn (k z v)) (id :: b -> b) xs z0 < 1401656707 31381 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what GHC.List does for foldl :) < 1401656716 973335 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not that surprising < 1401656721 873027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm that's the new fusable version, i guess? < 1401656727 842474 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: @src takes definitions from the Haskell report, mostly. < 1401656729 877806 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src sort < 1401656730 47034 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort = sortBy compare < 1401656733 689424 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src sortBy < 1401656733 737566 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sortBy cmp = foldr (insertBy cmp) [] < 1401656742 866820 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src insertBy < 1401656743 34819 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :insertBy _ x [] = [x] < 1401656743 83683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :insertBy cmp x ys@(y:ys') = case cmp x y of < 1401656743 83755 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : GT -> y : insertBy cmp x ys' < 1401656743 83799 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : _ -> x : ys < 1401656756 769097 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401656756 884234 :Patashu_!Ariolimax@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401656761 684740 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, well, I would have expected the electronics to get damaged by the wash, after all it is not just water, there is the detergent too < 1401656766 737128 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes I think so. < 1401656795 817200 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you just forgot to wash them and put them in the closet dirty < 1401656834 39572 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, no, I'm sure that was not the case, I put used clothes on a hanger behind the door, rather than in the closet < 1401656847 257447 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/7994 is the ticket corresponding to that change to foldl. < 1401656859 847620 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that "workflow" it is extremely unlikely to not have gone through the washing machine < 1401656873 498674 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i apparently read 'detergent' as a lab thing now, woo < 1401656908 222940 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, is it not the correct English word? < 1401656918 728500 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it is < 1401656925 318991 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew < 1401656968 226109 :Patashu!Ariolimax@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401657130 827154 :Patashu_!Ariolimax@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401657149 2704 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pew pew < 1401657318 280885 :Patashu!Ariolimax@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401657318 367222 :Patashu_!Ariolimax@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401657589 476098 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401657594 183948 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401657598 677941 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1401657718 219953 :Patashu_!Ariolimax@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401657760 398955 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi party people < 1401657770 170189 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1401657801 164661 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401657872 963765 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401657878 466403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are you a drug or a complexity class < 1401657931 678358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to be a verb < 1401657946 406267 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one kmc? < 1401657963 770804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you find out, let me know < 1401658011 879768 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, kMc is initialism of "kilomegacycles" according to https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kmc < 1401658015 622773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1401658053 422276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Kyoto hotel room view, handheld: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140601-view.jpg < 1401658125 389331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two adjacent SI prefixes, how rude. < 1401658146 813191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :inconceivable! < 1401658160 40431 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that composed of 4 pictures? < 1401658178 620212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Five, I think. < 1401658191 35863 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. five. I missed one glitch :) < 1401658192 775983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, five. < 1401658197 354475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they really make the rails like that in kyoto < 1401658237 482747 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice < 1401658242 499370 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Handheld though? < 1401658245 304501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I though it'd be best to make the actual view match, rather than the railing. < 1401658246 366808 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the rightmost one) < 1401658249 235832 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seam < 1401658265 74756 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, true, but rotate around the nodal point < 1401658285 682241 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, when were you there? < 1401658313 835087 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401658317 238674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes, but I didn't take a tripod with me in the first place. < 1401658339 335973 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads http://davidwalsh.name/3d-websockets keeping in mind that what he's planning isn't so massive that I need this 'partitioning' business < 1401658340 42619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we came back, uh... this Friday, I think. It's a bit fuzzy. < 1401658348 10609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, the complexity zoo has only one class starting with k < 1401658362 684223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and then promptly ending) < 1401658382 962295 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, I'm having fun with DF atm, haven't played it for ages < 1401658390 345643 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like over a year < 1401658397 978139 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having fun with this new minecart thing < 1401658539 598756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: We'll be doing a quick Stockholm-Kolmården-Linköping-Örebro-Stockholm drive-around soonishly, too. < 1401658551 263596 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, when is that? < 1401658556 704509 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :June? < 1401658577 546948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1401658590 207137 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still working then < 1401658619 208822 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1401658680 510660 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw I was in the Chinese park this friday. Very nice and quiet, the weather wasn't the best. Even rained a bit. I like that though < 1401658838 412831 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ethernet port isn't working for someo reason. < 1401658841 797516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's on our list of stops. Assuming we can find it. (Which we probably will; I've got the coordinates, and seen the signposts in Street View.) < 1401658853 429179 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, OS? Did it work before? < 1401658862 844960 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the other end connected? < 1401658864 423142 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, don't think it's OS < 1401658866 441907 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has worked before < 1401658867 804836 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you tried rebooting? < 1401658884 449603 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's good until the wall < 1401658888 432436 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried rebooting < 1401658893 662425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym "have you tried turning it off and on again" < 1401658908 335561 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, the OS question was more a question of: "what commands should I suggest" < 1401658913 778175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in my day I had to edit kernel modules with busybox sed to get my ethernet port working < 1401658926 418667 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I'm going to try waiting a day or two first < 1401658931 144911 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: haha, sweet < 1401658933 860105 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, how will that help < 1401658938 797569 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was working last night < 1401658944 334799 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, anyway you should try connecting it to another device < 1401658955 21157 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any other ethernet devices < 1401658958 612320 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh okay < 1401658965 25603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried smashing it with a hammer twh hth < 1401658971 93471 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a hammer :( < 1401658978 12250 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, anyway what about ifconfig? What does it say? ifconfig -a if it isn't listed at all < 1401658980 231636 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2012/12/hex-editing-linux-kernel-modules-to.html < 1401658982 938724 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cant touch me! < 1401658988 49458 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAMMER TIME! < 1401658999 835060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Zuu -----### < 1401659006 550070 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ough :( < 1401659007 745611 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, ifconfig looks friendly < 1401659009 660127 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh yeah I've read this post :p < 1401659016 36042 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, right...? < 1401659020 92370 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I totally knew your blog before I knew you :p < 1401659034 851437 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, so what does it say with respect to eth0 or whatever your ethernet interface is < 1401659038 178700 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I ought to be doing revision, so I'm going to live with this workaround < 1401659044 593166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: now be glad i don't have a hammer < 1401659044 641177 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1401659049 843845 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST" < 1401659060 59184 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, no inet address though? < 1401659070 41793 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :inet6 addr: fe80::5604:a6ff:feb4:8a1c/64 Scope:Link < 1401659081 74356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: :) < 1401659087 336604 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, Right, only link ipv6, no actual ipv4 < 1401659089 646838 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, the swatter! can I mapole him too? < 1401659089 916784 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, internet problems < 1401659091 14730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna say "i get that a lot" but it's more like I get that occasionally < 1401659091 423121 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to die < 1401659095 570548 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I guess dhcp could be dead? < 1401659098 428498 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get that a nonzero amount < 1401659111 716897 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what dhcp is < 1401659117 385897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: hey we're supposed to make him _happy_ we're not using hammers < 1401659121 509850 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the thing that gets you an ip address < 1401659129 20593 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but... hammers are hammerlicious < 1401659134 766669 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I don't think I can do anything about that < 1401659135 322555 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, the thing that makes it so that you don't have to manually input ip and so on for your computer < 1401659155 106765 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh, does it say he has an inet6 addr there, or is that the router. i forget how ifconfig works < 1401659168 384160 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, instead it sends a broadcast message like "hey give me IP and netmask and all that shiz!" and the DHCP server replies with the requested info < 1401659180 458440 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's not a hammer, it just looks like one. < 1401659204 913362 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it is a link ipv6 < 1401659208 258919 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the issue may be that it's only given me an IPv6 addr but only has an IPv4 connection to the outside world? < 1401659211 572429 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(besides, my grilf and I went to the Musée d'Art Contemporain today. I'm not sure what things should be looking like now.) < 1401659213 438101 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it is auto-assigned based on the MAC < 1401659217 816146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your computer is broadcasting an ip address < 1401659220 81980 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it means nothing in other words < 1401659233 187743 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weak < 1401659272 401251 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, "real" ipv6 would have Scope:Global < 1401659282 816884 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a link-local address. "Link-local addresses for IPv4 are defined in the address block 169.254.0.0/16, in CIDR notation. In IPv6, they are assigned with the fe80::/10 prefix." < 1401659285 934608 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too complicated < 1401659298 808568 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, nah, not really < 1401659303 707573 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1401659307 641575 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I wonder why I don't see the ipv4 ones normally < 1401659313 649075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ceci n'est pas un marteau < 1401659316 9003 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is always the ipv6 ones it seems < 1401659318 410000 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I wrote the ZCDSF specification. < 1401659324 848060 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means it will not get you very far < 1401659345 578298 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe because it's more dangerous to pick one of only 2^16 addresses at random. < 1401659350 488781 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1401659357 888604 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck yeah fe80:: < 1401659359 435563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/zcdsf.txt Can you please review this to see what it is? < 1401659422 902983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a data format hth < 1401659436 107991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that. < 1401659453 302573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant to make a opinion/question/comment/complaint about it, please. < 1401659478 737602 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: 4Hello a 4 followed by a name or "ello" as a hollerith string? < 1401659560 803704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: It is a hollerith string. If you do not want that, put a space in between, although a number followed immediately by a name is not a valid data anyways. < 1401659569 46167 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1401659671 623664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that in all such cases where ambiguity of being more than one token is possible, making them multiple tokens will not result in a valid file anyways. < 1401659732 740696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you find a counterexample, then please tell me. < 1401659792 841829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1401659870 956101 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1401659895 505294 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401660087 450114 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you're probably right, but it'd be easier to reason about if "H" was not a name, but another special character. < 1401660107 59258 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :5*hello < 1401660177 897934 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and I did not understand what you mean by "extra semicolons" in the description of records and lists. < 1401660200 500212 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, yes perhaps using * would be better; I may fix that < 1401660222 677396 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I mean by "extra semicolons" is, for example, [1;2;3;4;5] is valid and so is [1;;;2;3;4;;;;;;5;] < 1401660234 870476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should clarify that. < 1401660236 192947 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean as I read it, [1;2;;;;4] would be ok, but [[1;2;;;;4]] wouldn't, because there are extra ; inside the first item of that list. < 1401660255 64616 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I assume that's not the intended meaning. < 1401660271 354805 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact "extra ;" is not really defined. < 1401660395 604285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now with extra ;! < 1401660484 272006 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't intended meaning. < 1401660490 924272 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of dislike the flexibility of the encoding (ASN ambiguities are one important way of breaking the SSL certificate infrastructure, where a CA believes it's signing a certificate for A, whereas the browser thinks it's for B) < 1401660499 270531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[1;2;;;;4]] is OK and means the same as [[1;2;4]] < 1401660566 47096 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1401660606 79498 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401660665 386520 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr why isn't --disable-web-security working < 1401660717 947897 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what software is that not the default? < 1401660745 943097 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: perhaps make it explicit that extra semicolons are permitted immediately after the [ and immediately after each list item. < 1401660746 584792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: OK, I fixed to use * instead of H and added a section about clarification. < 1401660747 882978 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go, had to completely exit Chrome < 1401660763 303497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: O, OK, perhaps I should write that instead; it is a better way to say it. < 1401660808 782305 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any actual malicious sites out there waiting to prey on anyone who happens to have --disable-web-security active? < 1401660828 50883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I fixed it. < 1401660862 587687 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are malicious sites that activate when a cosmic ray hits your DNS server < 1401660915 519211 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1401660958 176306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now imagines if that gave the DNS server superpowers instead < 1401660976 757227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :routing against evil < 1401660982 264236 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401661049 623564 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yeah, I've seen network switches mis-forwarding traffic due to a bit flip < 1401661147 961439 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Maybe you don't like ASN ambiguities, although what kind of flexibility you need depends on the application. < 1401661227 889924 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes. you didn't state any requirements or rationale of any kind, so there ... < 1401661253 779091 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are right I didn't. Should I have done? < 1401661271 791659 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, it depends on your requirements ;) < 1401661331 605432 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you ask me, some sort of scope and context would be nice, but such things tend to be tedious to actually write. < 1401661418 683763 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And obviously they are not necessary to use such a format. < 1401661499 697242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, these reasons are the ones why I didn't write such a thing. < 1401661607 283289 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :*.net *.split < 1401661653 576820 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing is that it is simple and flexible, and supports macros and references. < 1401661665 563796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are some of the important reasons to me. < 1401661782 689695 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. macros - is there a way to find the end of a macro without knowing its implementation? < 1401661912 433574 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I guess you never really say what a macro invocation looks like. am I missing anything? < 1401662076 60598 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401662090 553684 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401662177 301332 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1401662286 903970 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes; a macro invocation always expands to a data value. I thought I mentioned that. < 1401662515 552732 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yet you do not say what it looks like. a macro *definition* has the shape Name(Arg1,Arg2,Name1=Foo1,Name2=Foo2), and presumably that also holds for the invocation, but it's not stated. < 1401662539 160584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: O, OK, I will fix that. You are correct though < 1401662604 222420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I fixed it < 1401662803 580249 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401662959 723800 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1401662979 272421 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me if anything else may be wrong/confusing! < 1401663357 188024 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo > 1401663515 495309 JOIN :#esoteric > 1401663519 627691 JOIN :#esoteric > 1401663520 143201 JOIN :#esoteric > 1401663574 961940 JOIN :#esoteric > 1401663579 111855 JOIN :#esoteric > 1401663579 628618 JOIN :#esoteric > 1401663617 233413 JOIN :#esoteric > 1401663621 395266 JOIN :#esoteric > 1401663621 910291 JOIN :#esoteric > 1401663659 459908 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401663660 179379 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1401663663 592324 JOIN :#esoteric > 1401663664 112302 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401663670 663828 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401663695 22290 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401663706 159061 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1401663739 435966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rampaging bots < 1401663942 534699 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ram-paging bots? < 1401664007 519746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Do you know of any C program to parse a Haskell syntax? <-- hugs is written in C so probably contains some... < 1401664064 526998 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401664098 900043 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, one of my friends wrote one! Somewhere in https://github.com/ThatOtherPerson/dhc < 1401664152 441074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Curiosity_first_space_selfie_%28raw_image%29.jpg is mars like, dusty <-- "The image was acquired while MAHLI's clear dust cover was closed." so possibly not quite. < 1401664183 747954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Bike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Curiosity_first_space_selfie_%28raw_image%29.jpg is mars like, dusty <-- "The image was acquired while MAHLI's clear dust cover was closed." so possibly not quite. < 1401664184 126342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1401664266 353428 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dust doesn't ahve to be inside the camera... < 1401664282 585711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure mars gets dust storms. < 1401664303 665179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also iirc most of that dust is rust) < 1401664312 375237 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@clear-messages < 1401664312 557478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messages cleared. < 1401664871 148337 :nooodl_!~nooodl@217.111-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401665099 97555 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401665675 506733 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1401665972 952331 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401666006 932559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I added a introduction. Is it OK? < 1401666514 349269 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case a format specification is required at the beginning of the file, you can use the following (which is a comment and ignored by ZCDSF): #!/usr/bin/valid-zcdsf < 1401666515 297403 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-12-140.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401666632 954772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not necessary to have a file on your computer called /usr/bin/valid-zcdsf in order to use this. < 1401666658 390731 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Mozilla should have just sent a mars rover < 1401666670 419152 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401666713 464898 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-12-140.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401667659 795240 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, the introdution looks good. reading between the lines, I can see that you want something human editable rather than just a data exchange format for programs, which explains the flexibility in the syntax < 1401667718 493837 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401668308 8050 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How well do you think it is compared to other formats and stuff? What one you use can depend on the application, but I would like to know other people's opinions on these comparison between formats too < 1401668664 212553 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the standard ones I tend to like JSON best but it's inconvenient for embedding binary data (since, as you write, it's tied to Unicode) I agrree that the standard text representation of XML is too verbose, and that binary formats will not be human readable nor editable. < 1401668766 255800 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401668773 842645 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and references are a nice touch (I've seen such before in lpmud save files, hmm :) ). I'm less convinced that macros should be part of the data format. < 1401668877 928202 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd be worried about somebody writing F(x) = [x;x] and then F(F(...F(42)...)) and crash my program.) < 1401668918 826907 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course references have the same potential, if one isn't careful < 1401668965 433654 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding limits can avoid the F(F(...F(42)...)) problem. This is what SQLite does. < 1401668985 180444 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this right? [A.[A.[A.42,A],A],A] < 1401668993 785983 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, , -> ; < 1401669047 651528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, it is valid, although may be ambiguous depending on the application. < 1401669049 5976 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do I need 3 names for that? < 1401669068 429863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually perhaps I should just specify you need 3 names for that. < 1401669072 965174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't previously clear. < 1401669085 379316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needing 3 names is probably clearer and simpler and more sensible. < 1401669114 227214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that references are their own datatype, not the type of whatever it is referencing. < 1401669115 810017 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. What about [A.[A]]? < 1401669124 466904 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is valid. < 1401669145 474693 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why is this restricted to list items?) < 1401669146 521287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a list containing a list containing a reference to the first item of the first list. < 1401669201 438988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is restricted to list items because of what references are and are not. They do not represent a copy of the data. < 1401669245 295735 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it precludes {A=ref.[1;2;3];B=ref} < 1401669293 430781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wouldn't make sense though. If you want to use the list [1;2;3] in several places, you should want a macro, not a reference. < 1401669293 613172 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems sensible. (whereas A.[A] is a bit silly) < 1401669307 78730 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but then it would be duplicated < 1401669381 508624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :References represent a pointer to the data, and are certainly not interchangeable with the data themself! < 1401669387 34313 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just seems strange to forbid that but allow [ref.[1,2,3],{A=ref,B=ref}] < 1401669412 261321 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes. I want A and B to point to the same list. < 1401669420 812431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it does seem strange to you, but to me it doesn't < 1401669423 695538 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to two equal lists. < 1401669435 41184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: wouldn't that make A the actual list [1;2;3] but B only a reference to it? < 1401669436 105211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Well, references point to a position in a list. < 1401669438 705144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not quite what you want < 1401669450 2445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Correct. < 1401669474 939459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need, like, &ref.[1;2;3] < 1401669486 22612 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401669508 875304 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. [ref.[1;2;3];ref] and [ref,ref.[1;2;3]] are not the same? < 1401669522 743554 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry, I still write , for ;) < 1401669532 624800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is correct they are not the same at all. < 1401669542 737888 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. that is strange to me. < 1401669543 560732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence Note that references are their own datatype, not the type of whatever it is referencing. < 1401669574 533517 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fine. < 1401669588 197830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: presumably foo.x is like ({ foo = &x; *foo }) for some imagined foo, so to speak, and foo is like... well, foo < 1401669597 873137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever. < 1401669609 756450 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(then the lpmud reference (sic!) was invalid though, since that encoded actual sharing.) < 1401669647 255006 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or encodes ... I know for a fact that a couple of those things are still running < 1401670072 845061 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: UNKNOWABLE CHICKEN < 1401670104 304400 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401670128 79937 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaargh. I've been wondering for a week now why somebody would calle a function "runit" ... I read it as 'r-unit'... < 1401670741 953338 :nooodl_!~nooodl@217.111-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1401670843 341191 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :Quit: "I can hear myself... I think I'm a bit afraid." < 1401670862 869131 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1401670986 487617 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. I found this comment in lambdabot: | not classFound -- can't trust those dodgy folk in #haskell < 1401671010 210866 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@instances Dodgy < 1401671010 935317 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't find class `Dodgy'. Try @instances-importing < 1401671603 366409 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1401671681 660960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you nit a ru < 1401671730 415148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@instances-importing Extremely.Unsafe Dodgy < 1401671731 80768 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't find class `Dodgy'. Try @instances-importing < 1401672625 921217 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401673943 914511 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401674788 796556 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ping < 1401674794 5013 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pong! < 1401674903 910547 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401676213 844125 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401676293 725119 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: sleeeep < 1401677109 82128 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-12-140.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401677141 442266 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-12-140.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401677487 331201 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1401678044 667944 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-12-140.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401678099 484664 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-12-140.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401681079 558239 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401684783 623427 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1401685673 457472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi sgeo, how goes it? < 1401685690 16252 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Situation normal < 1401686152 796217 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I think I'm the sort of person who recognizes his mistakes, and then proceeds to do nothing about them.... how do I fix that mistake? < 1401686200 258986 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :read a book < 1401686269 820799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You did something (although not much) about that mistake, which is, to ask a question about it. That isn't doing much, of course! < 1401686950 588534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O no, maybe ZCDSF is not LALR(1). I am trying to use it with the Lemon parser generator and get errors, which I think is because it has to look ahead a lot in order to figure out the difference of a macro invocation than a macro definition. < 1401687306 752769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it can be resolved in the tokenizer? < 1401687786 309072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust has this property that you can parse the source into a "token tree" before expanding macros < 1401687789 406652 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that turns out to be very useful < 1401687914 501488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tt ::= '(' tt ')' | '{' tt '}' | '[' tt ']' | token tt | '' < 1401687916 26576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :approximately < 1401687977 833775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :macro expansion is sort of ugly though; there's an AST node type for each place a macro invocation can appear (ExprMac, PatMac, etc.) and these are expanded at some point < 1401688000 177952 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have macros changed since the last release, or from last release and release before then? < 1401688000 630707 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then all the code which runs after that point has like ExprMac(_) => tcx.sess.bug("unexpanded macro") < 1401688007 643668 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm figuring maybe I should look at a stable macro system < 1401688007 830358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't pay attention to releases < 1401688016 218318 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much is it changing? < 1401688026 350954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I'm concerned there are two versions of Rust: master, and whichever one Servo is using < 1401688031 903715 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust seems like a bad place to look for stability < 1401688033 100805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the one Servo is using is almost never a release < 1401688039 935132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the macro system isn't changing that much, though < 1401688047 996719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just added the ability to expand macros in pattern position < 1401688057 383584 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1401688077 633328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the mechanisms for "procedural macros", i.e. running arbitrary Rust code at compile time to produce an AST, are changing some < 1401688086 200740 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those are more exposed to other changes to compiler internals, of course < 1401688096 906212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the plain Macros By Example macros haven't changed too much since I started using the language almost a year ago < 1401688230 302692 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is the graph of how far behind Rust master Servo has been over time: http://people.mozilla.org/~mbrubeck/servo-rust-updates.svg < 1401688318 218614 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how when you do update it's not usually to master < 1401688362 378387 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah because in the time between starting an update and finishing it, master will have moved forward < 1401688383 384997 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 10 days? hee. < 1401688450 425709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it can easily take 10 days to update several 100k LoC for a month or two of language changes < 1401688461 502691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and test it on all platforms and rebase it against the other changes happening in Servo etc. < 1401688484 574320 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mozilla has this "badges" thing (idk really) and you may be amused by the image for the relevant one: https://badges.mozilla.org/en-US/badges/badge/Servo-Rust-upgrade < 1401688490 648420 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what platforms is servo targeting btw < 1401688506 640396 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's pretty good. < 1401688508 86932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now, x86-64 Linux, x86-64 OS X, and ARM Android kinda < 1401688521 476581 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox tells me its connection to mozilla.org is insufficiently secure. < 1401688522 748604 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda? < 1401688527 808710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolol < 1401688539 904796 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the Android testing is not very automated, so it tends to regress a lot < 1401688544 720141 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This site does not supply identity information... who could they be....... < 1401688550 238190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think currently we can't run JavaScript on Android. < 1401688555 343556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact people are puzzled as to how we were ever able to < 1401688558 709999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> afk -> ice cream < 1401688617 108640 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good choice < 1401688981 704301 :password2!~password@197.78.144.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401689073 215640 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://doc.x3dom.org/developer/x3dom/runtime/index.html < 1401689081 677790 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits his head on a convenient wall < 1401689146 193826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very nice and clean bar < 1401689901 468187 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[TAS] GC Crazy Taxi by solarplex in 05:53.18: http://youtu.be/O2wnNYmpABg < 1401690138 854620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every channel I'm in becomes #rust < 1401690144 542766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm vaguely aware that this can be annoying < 1401690187 307134 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1401690237 101403 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm ice cream < 1401690621 555947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got that right < 1401690651 795903 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I try to learn raw WebGL or some convenient library like Three.JS? Or both? < 1401690871 523741 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401690879 318368 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-12-140.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401691072 563027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you want to make? < 1401691102 944434 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raw webgl is kinda annoying compared to shiny things like ThreeJS < 1401691114 633578 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you don't need it, use the abstractions < 1401691146 682799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenGL is pretty low level and WebGL / GLES remove more of the stuff you'd want for using OpenGL "by hand" < 1401691210 563832 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only we'd had WebDirectX.... < 1401691280 65220 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it could be interesting to learn how the low level stuff works < 1401691295 980450 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And use the abstractions for anything interesting < 1401691333 690151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: just write an activex plugin < 1401691400 730000 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming first 'clicked' in my mind when reading about ActiveX < 1401691533 93670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it? < 1401691624 369690 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think... just the concept of the computer being entirely controlled by code < 1401691628 989540 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. I was a kid < 1401691712 386183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1401692288 783081 :password2!~password@197.78.144.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401692702 791227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah a classic "Users like this are like a mongoose backed into a corner: with its back to the wall and seeing certain death staring it in the face, it attacks frantically, because doing something has to be better than doing nothing. This is not well adapted to the type of problems computers produce." < 1401692731 376420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html < 1401693770 214566 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have always loved metaballs < 1401693806 99318 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1401693959 59957 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about meatballs? < 1401693964 902056 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I found a food truck selling "fonduewurst" < 1401693965 569015 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://tinyurl.com/ fnord is a confusing little bit of code i've had to be crashed to the ground to touch your nose. < 1401694079 864888 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: they're awesome to look at < 1401694087 470485 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you changed the word < 1401694164 579604 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401694433 500742 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401694877 123244 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401694882 367747 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, I would like to magic < 1401694889 192265 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you teach me the secret arts < 1401694924 954015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` WeLcOmE slereah | rainwords < 1401694926 38814 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07SlErEaH: 08wElCoMe 09tO 02ThE 06InTeRnAtIoNaL 13HuB 04FoR 07EsOtErIc 08pRoGrAmMiNg 09lAnGuAgE 02DeSiGn 06aNd 13dEpLoYmEnT! 04fOr 07mOrE 08InFoRmAtIoN, 09cHeCk 02oUt 06oUr 13wIkI: 04. 07(FoR 08ThE 09OtHeR 02KiNd 06oF 13EsOtErIcA, 04tRy 07#EsOtErIc 08oN 09IrC.DaL.NeT.) < 1401694950 465914 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice spell~ < 1401695027 124086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think we are a school for any secret arts. (If we were, it wouldn't be much secret, isn't it?) < 1401695066 536766 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why do you have the HackEgo golem < 1401695106 200647 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To write strange messages like that. < 1401695146 486164 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401695149 114801 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, kill all humans < 1401695176 419239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah: you cannot command it without the secret art of syntagma < 1401695208 192765 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``help < 1401695208 796936 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `help: not found < 1401695211 685545 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw < 1401695381 711314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Munus sigsigga ag bara ye < 1401695595 687066 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401695789 989763 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an exam in like 4 hours < 1401695793 634924 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to clean my room < 1401695924 501006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1401695925 965518 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13crtcoin 04bracoin 07quycoin 08kellosophiloxicoin 09blindex.phpcoin 02bitbitzcoin 06killcoin 13neurcoin 04abccoin 07prestowcoin 08swellicoin 09thumseycoin 02aheltscoin 06rnatacoin 13rolcoin 04um-32coin 07ootcoin 08evilleravillcoin 09unlolanptcoin 02byacoin < 1401696161 930684 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitbitzcoin < 1401697312 589800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :crtcoin uses old, broken CRT monitors as physical coins. < 1401697332 664810 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be a big coinpurse < 1401697533 68606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I helped my friend haul a 100 kg Trinitron flat-tube CRT television the other day < 1401697551 788346 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flat tubes weigh even more than usual tubes < 1401697623 426207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a connection between Trinitron brand aperture grilles and trinitrotoluene? < 1401697702 588712 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401697734 151427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope not < 1401697737 997116 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my friend's sake < 1401697816 9067 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably trinity+tron ... trinity because of the three colors in RGB? perhaps < 1401697852 582094 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bookshelf is getting increasingly full :D < 1401697880 550855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's kind of silly, since what it improved on also had three colors and elec-tron beams. < 1401697929 57904 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently trinity is because they merged the three beams into one beam < 1401697953 500116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess that makes sense. < 1401697961 285640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some values of sense, anyway. < 1401697965 904738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Holy Trinitron. < 1401698149 346585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except I guess it doesn't have holes?) < 1401698176 646693 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Rail14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39735&oldid=39722 5* 0384.174.111.48 5* (+41) 10 < 1401698193 956681 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is a bookshelf the right place for a book of stamps? < 1401698202 199190 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the Erlenmeyer flask was invented by Dr Julius Flask" < 1401698202 929725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to put them in the box of envelopes < 1401698203 121855 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheh < 1401698243 748655 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah: what < 1401698250 679951 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, my book of stamps is now on my bookshelf < 1401698283 425318 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname : it is < 1401698285 307425 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusing < 1401698329 860427 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is it from? < 1401698351 942244 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was from Uncyclopedia apparently but got deleted < 1401698357 284204 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1401698402 334432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rustc has a flag that prints out the elapsed time for each compiler pass as they run (some 40 or so of them) < 1401698412 648104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes long compile times feel a lot less frustrating < 1401698425 268498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff is happening! borrows are being checked and freevars are being found! < 1401698428 32506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have a flag that lets you play tetris while it's compiling? < 1401698434 152307 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: patches welcome < 1401698440 716182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that might require an RFC first < 1401698461 172170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :look through https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/blob/master/0000-template.md < 1401698480 453024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are we doing this? What use cases does it support? What is the expected outcome? Why should we *not* do this? What is the impact of not doing this? < 1401698496 602176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, those are the kind of questions I might have trouble with. < 1401698496 784755 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've missed my chance this academic year to make lecture notes on a typewriter :( < 1401698516 788620 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: omg that's actually a hilarious idea < 1401698548 108163 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: how about a nice game of global thermonuclear war < 1401698558 547140 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I watched that film last night! :) < 1401698561 188118 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't let the build succeed until you can clear a line < 1401698576 647937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Another suggestion: if the real passes don't seem to be enough, you can add fake "reticulating splines" kind of ones. < 1401698606 132398 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not last night, the other night < 1401698709 278588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: :) < 1401698716 957639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, it reminds me very much of that kind of thing < 1401698725 460223 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Hackers, which is the most 90's film imaginable < 1401698743 263559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Hack the planet! < 1401698794 232290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://www.avclub.com/article/ihackersi-may-have-been-of-its-time-but-it-was-als-72249 < 1401698926 447176 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401698926 693591 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401698927 292091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current task involves converting a bunch of small functions to a different form < 1401698935 642631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is nicely incremental work, and not too challenging < 1401698940 891732 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means I'll probably stay up all night doing it :/ < 1401699055 873233 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust is far too boring with what it'll accept as function names < 1401699088 846502 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Miscellaneous Symbols and Pictograms at least is needed < 1401699153 462501 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fn (){} < 1401699155 944028 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, good read, thanks < 1401699241 192802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray < 1401699343 38249 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love Hackers < 1401699343 879366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: but you can do https://gist.github.com/kmcallister/0b1c57d021e1899611a7 at least < 1401699363 36830 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: haha, true < 1401699676 319312 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I should have a party where we get roller blades and 90s laptops and hack the gibson < 1401699681 462359 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1401699682 739142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :count me in < 1401699688 877979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even have rollerblades! < 1401699696 104401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'm bad enough at using them sober... < 1401699710 678256 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have them so :p < 1401699726 976640 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ought to get some < 1401699760 938834 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eugene Belford < 1401699858 617069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rust input is interpreted as a sequence of Unicode codepoints encoded in UTF-8, normalized to Unicode normalization form NFKC" < 1401699861 977600 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have discovered that this is lies! < 1401699871 479417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :python3 -c 'print("#![feature(non_ascii_idents)]\nfn sp\u00e4tzle() { }\nfn main() { spa\u0308tzle() }")' > foo.rs && rustc foo.rs < 1401699874 528920 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.rs:3:13: 3:21 error: unresolved name `spätzle`. < 1401699881 20880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies. < 1401699906 495498 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: lol, not really that surprising < 1401699916 113166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in the future nothing works < 1401699936 919212 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it is a well-known lie unfortunately < 1401699943 739627 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fn ∯(){} is all I really want < 1401699954 971383 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ∯ < 1401699955 629973 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+222F SURFACE INTEGRAL] < 1401699959 128719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spätzle is delicious btw < 1401699960 631706 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH WELL < 1401699974 124173 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ∃ is a great one for collections < 1401699978 949578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: have you been to http://walzwerk.com/ ? "authentic and unique East German cuisine in the San Francisco Mission district" < 1401699990 391765 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nope! should I ? < 1401699993 586567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1401699999 468883 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh I haven't eaten many places in SF < 1401700016 401909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am told that the German culinary divide is more north/south, and "East German cuisine" is more about decor and such < 1401700017 566320 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me neither < 1401700019 361305 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the year I've been here, probably only a few, and half of them are burritos < 1401700019 558795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, tasty < 1401700048 378732 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my previous city was very german < 1401700052 42627 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I do miss the german food < 1401700062 2751 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should eat there and then watch Good Bye Lenin! < 1401700071 125757 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Kitchener was until some nastiness earlier this centry named Berlin) < 1401700090 776280 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or last century? < 1401700122 139523 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I didn't know that < 1401700123 314949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's funny < 1401700133 452774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a Madrid, Iowa but it's pronounced MA-drid < 1401700135 812108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c < 1401700168 726562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: I found a food truck in Portland that offers currywurst and "fonduewurst" < 1401700218 20070 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not been to a single Yorkshire-style restaurant, which probably don't exist < 1401700263 463187 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401700269 396004 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is despite living in York < 1401700285 486901 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cjyfhogejgctdwbp QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1401700295 616025 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think non-existence is a pretty good excuse, tbh < 1401700314 221249 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: omg I miss currywurst < 1401700319 270687 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i neeeeds it < 1401700358 517463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty easy to make at home < 1401700369 125336 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :less so if you're picky about the finer points of the sauce < 1401700409 53086 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not :P < 1401700418 925394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rosamunde has it, at least the Mission location < 1401700436 3508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a "King of Cürrywurst" [sic] food truck < 1401700469 770262 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misplaced dots, eh < 1401700544 108978 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://achewood.com/index.php?date=03222004 http://achewood.com/index.php?date=03252004 < 1401700547 991048 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: my attempts to bootstrap a rust compiler that uses the YOLO keyword aren't going well :p < 1401700653 989342 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is gonna need a lot of #[cfg(stage0)] < 1401700665 685086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? as long as you don't use it in the compiler itself < 1401701105 374127 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 'cause I removed unsafe, haha < 1401701451 29607 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's yer problem < 1401701474 848570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta sleep now, ttyl all < 1401701486 456145 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'night, kmc < 1401701495 968896 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'naneb < 1401702635 21558 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOLO { *(0 as *u8) } < 1401704189 353084 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401706556 646538 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401706871 468864 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401706906 534229 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401706965 196525 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1401707071 181301 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401707207 756026 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1401707220 370214 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1401707816 826600 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401707837 366329 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401708646 682086 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1401708778 710296 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401709566 314758 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1401710529 874406 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401711594 490245 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401712954 495517 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401713095 913351 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401714381 536929 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401715533 323250 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every part of my body is Turing complete < 1401715894 502518 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401716166 564626 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are DNA processes turing-complete? < 1401716246 202526 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure < 1401716266 999015 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how you could make a loop with DNA < 1401716660 947132 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah: ask your kids < 1401716757 514357 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401716820 887633 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need kids for that < 1401716826 225228 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cell division is enough < 1401716854 320858 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how do you do conditions on that loop < 1401717114 848745 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DNA processes"? < 1401717149 102011 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's easy to make a DNA loop! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasmid lolol < 1401717199 906607 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be careful with plasmids man < 1401717209 618449 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I took some I had bees coming out of my hands < 1401717442 449357 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds excruciatingly painful < 1401717480 569719 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/063/b/2/ttdi_bioshock_1__bees_by_anniezard-d3awuto.jpg < 1401717486 303246 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mimg.ugo.com/201002/36219/cuts/insect-swarm-3_480x360.png < 1401717488 676967 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah < 1401717490 790049 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So painful < 1401717959 823486 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There something called HDNA (H for Hofstadter). I think it's also know as typogenetics or something. < 1401717977 507601 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401718034 633983 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple-stranded_DNA ? < 1401718036 240170 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consecutive base pairs are interpreted and do various things like copy a base, cut a strand etc, loop, etc. It appears to be Turing complete. < 1401718039 500168 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401718054 524228 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoogsteen is a ridiculous name, though < 1401718080 592637 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: yes it's described in GEB. i once considered writing a wiki article on it < 1401718112 426378 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not real? < 1401718113 88099 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he wrote a bit about it in Goedel, Escher, Bach. I read about it in the January 1982 issue of Practical Computing which has a HDNA interpreter written in Basic. < 1401718129 481913 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean real DNA has plenty of stuff about alternative splicing, god knows < 1401718135 351867 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also pseudoknots which are pretty wack < 1401718138 63823 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But does it have a basic interpreter written in HDNA < 1401718153 707581 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: it's definitely esoteric. You should add it to the wiki :-) < 1401718156 712727 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so there's NP completeness, at least" < 1401718184 798086 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: oh it's not that it's not esoteric that i haven't done it. it's that i'm too lazy. < 1401718222 136260 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah: this is cute though: http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/File:Insect_swarm_plasmid_by_tinamin1-d4jh31s.jpg < 1401718251 19744 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bee plasmid was pretty weak but I used it a lot < 1401718258 270299 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's fucking BEES FROM MY HANDS < 1401718277 311569 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is enough to make a whole game out of < 1401718293 701376 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and Turing wrote a nice paper about symmetry breaking in devbio, imo read it. < 1401718328 64071 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another one which ought to be on the wiki. The language of Tierra. (I don't mind doing this one, I just need to research it a bit more. I haven't seem Ray naming it anywhere) < 1401718408 750761 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is tierra the one that's just code in a large block of memory with program pointers passing over it repeatedly < 1401718426 305648 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is the one with actual moving organisms in 3d space < 1401718444 67757 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all in code, no actual organisms. < 1401718527 457018 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i saw something about the language used in that once. no jumps, right? just reading and writing to addresses < 1401718719 644445 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It jumps to a template... < 1401718748 751935 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i don't remember it too well < 1401718751 525177 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No operands to instructions. You'd have jmpb / nop1 / nop0 / nop1 / something else. < 1401718788 583308 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would jump back to the first template matching the complement of the three nops. < 1401718939 591846 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. so you can jump, but you can't be sure where you're jumping < 1401719803 265651 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if the matching templates is in your own code. Otherwise you might jump into another program and run it's code (like a parasite) < 1401719960 912920 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401720214 996198 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401720243 509902 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1401720310 601098 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401720995 33107 :Gregor``!dlopen@libdl.so NICK :Gregor < 1401722076 93399 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I need to sort out my life < 1401722144 507337 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, urgently < 1401722165 34003 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had a room inspection and the result was "We are worried about your health" < 1401722752 876580 :nooodl!~nooodl@217.111-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401723055 624821 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401723371 141858 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401723986 147411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1401724161 803351 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iparidkmgrfmpzip JOIN :#esoteric < 1401724265 186446 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: why exactly? Assuming it's messy, just hire a cleaner (or find a girlfriend who's clean / tidy). Assuming it's full of alcohol etc just print off some healthy looking labels to disguise it. < 1401724298 227407 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, evidently there's an oppressive smell < 1401724388 546925 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... extreme < 1401724879 984087 :nooodl!~nooodl@217.111-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1401725174 343229 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401725189 739461 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you can imagine my emotional state right now < 1401725390 73053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's a capitalist swine hiding in there < 1401725410 555120 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, don't think so, wrong smell < 1401725445 197083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this smell wasn't there when you moved in? < 1401725479 44541 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the smell is almost certainly my fault < 1401725519 319865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose only you can tell the reason. < 1401725555 252977 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I normally keep the window closed I don't know how to turn the radiator off < 1401725556 832694 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of smell could give such a judgement... < 1401725571 234301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whether you need to clean or visit a doctor < 1401725575 260831 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401725614 565247 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401725666 43684 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401725711 405163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe you have fungus in the room, i hear that can be awful. < 1401725779 40047 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a messy smell rather than a nasty smell < 1401725783 326359 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a loud messy smell < 1401725816 765142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the solution is obvious but i would be a hypocrite to say it. < 1401725842 448397 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401725866 280810 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know the solution to the primary problem very well < 1401725918 207014 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401726025 382398 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I suspect the majority of the smell comes from one source < 1401726248 165344 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1401726329 514176 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401727158 957312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which source is that < 1401727178 4391 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I like that "hire a cleaner" and "find a girlfriend" are alternatives on equal footing < 1401727178 810099 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bedsheets < 1401727180 999492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, or something < 1401727328 655998 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They... I have not done the right thing with my bedsheets. < 1401727482 463789 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401727968 265065 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401728087 487107 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-126-150-232.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401728554 991088 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Twocode14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39736 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+4719) 10Created page with "'''Twocode''' is a [[:Category:Two-dimensional languages|two-dimensional]] [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[User:GermanyBoy]] in 2014. It mixes two-dimensional '..." < 1401728585 657342 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39737&oldid=39713 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+14) 10/* T */ < 1401728621 487082 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:GermanyBoy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39738&oldid=39648 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+14) 10twocode < 1401728711 252365 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401729355 318138 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo bin/coins < 1401729356 292589 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/coins < 1401729360 992508 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/coins < 1401729361 566626 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g' | rainwords < 1401729363 240541 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then wash your bedsheets < 1401729376 503445 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the logical thing to do < 1401729403 425006 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/rainwords < 1401729404 53390 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/python \ import random; w=[l.split() for l in open("/dev/stdin").read().split("\n")]; r=[4,7,8,9,2,6,13]; print "\n".join((lambda s: " ".join(chr(3) + "%02d"%r[(i+s)%len(r)] + l[i] for i in range(len(l))))(random.randrange(0, len(r))) for l in w) < 1401729411 656635 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1401729413 557679 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06anollcoin 13pheycoin 04alagirdiminiscoin 07aubatwaldcoin 08clearecoin 09hlietcoin 02hoto++coin 06pcoin 13nestcoin 04intfcoin 07grocoin 08jetzschecoin 09membecoin 02sheedcoin 06stificcoin 13wudiffelliicketlangcoin 04brycoin 07tetcoin 08con-of-unbcoin 09truecoin < 1401729610 439076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read some book where they didn't write "Allah"; they wrote "al-Lah", I don't know if it is supposed to be the same word but it seem like it from the context. Do you know about this to answer it? < 1401729625 364247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you can wash them every so often < 1401729636 139278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have more specific advice < 1401729643 584160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wash them when they smell or feel weird or have disconcerting stains < 1401729656 12072 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think not doing what I did would be a good start. < 1401729665 698975 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :These haven't been off my bed since the end of September :( < 1401729675 3527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1401729675 304578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you did at first? < 1401729680 152134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is sub-optimal < 1401729685 552608 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : rustc has a flag that prints out the elapsed time for each compiler pass as they run (some 40 or so of them) < 1401729688 604419 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's what that looks like: https://gist.github.com/kmcallister/acb1df198dbac070263f < 1401729693 212698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should probably clean it < 1401729694 416130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for building rustc itself < 1401729767 848504 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1401729788 119883 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401730214 959118 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401730427 464716 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401730601 529768 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401730642 717146 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: “al-” is the definite article, “allah” is more literally “the god”. < 1401730822 477430 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: now you have an upper bound of how long you can use the same bedsheets, now wash them and keep them for half as long and see if you pass an inspection < 1401730850 280425 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you do, take the average, and so on until you have found the maximum acceptable bedsheet age) < 1401730892 520646 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :this can also be a way to make it fun to switch bedsheets regularly < 1401730935 108355 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I feel like 1 month is possibly too long < 1401730946 11203 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 months is really bad < 1401731156 105683 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on how dirty you are and how much of it you rub into the sheets, I think < 1401731216 770681 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on how dusty the room is, and whether you make the bed with a cover or not (so that the dust settles in the sheets), etc < 1401731233 760648 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wet the bed you may also need to switch more often < 1401731323 555976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Sleep tight and don't let the bedbugs evolve sapience < 1401731785 387575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WebGL 2 is based on what we think will be in OpenGL ES 3, which is the stuff in OpenGL 4" < 1401731788 387900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1401731790 731601 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't they just skip some to make the numbers match up < 1401731936 227427 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401731951 496475 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401731954 771245 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401731981 937581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't want to confuse people. < 1401731986 702255 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just have a single "OpenGL" that includes the ES and Web stuff < 1401732035 685793 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 NICK :Bicyclidine < 1401732362 803834 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: O, OK thanks < 1401732448 306015 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did C get // comments because shouldn't those work < 1401732477 153890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the year 1999. < 1401732479 56162 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god knows why a C program is including an .hpp. C/C++ i guess < 1401732517 992771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As an extension probably before that, too.) < 1401732520 703793 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any gcc flags turn that off? -ansi or something maybe? < 1401732534 579484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, -ansi is the same as -std=c89 which does not include them. < 1401732540 61012 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a standard flag < 1401732543 833400 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, alright then. < 1401732547 603979 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-std=whatever or something < 1401732548 396314 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumb compile error. < 1401732550 915752 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be a good source for fungot http://www.scribd.com/doc/225960813/Elliot-Rodger-Santa-Barbara-mass-shooting-suspect-My-Twisted-World-manifesto < 1401732551 282363 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: what's a chatterbot then. no way sir, that i do < 1401732560 545 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, god. < 1401732576 678975 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :too soon? < 1401732580 433361 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot already quotes, what, nixon? that's gross enough already < 1401732580 747338 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: perhaps we should celebrate these days with guys like simon peyton-jones, simon fnord, etc < 1401732592 72462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good old Simon Fnord. < 1401732599 675982 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really soon so much as that the rodger thing is just gross < 1401732618 237299 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the manifesto i mean, by itself, in addition to the shooting < 1401732655 415390 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess if you wanted fungot to talk like a gross murderer you could go with Industrial Society and Its Future or something < 1401732655 651941 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: later tell riastradh http://tmp.barzilay.org/ r.txt: ( < 1401732685 396684 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine, ok :) < 1401732716 292070 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the zodiac codes < 1401732722 118145 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot what's your support for made-up scripts like < 1401732722 484483 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: what's a respectable typing speed? i'm getting tired. must sleep... hiking trip tomorrow... have a flex question for you < 1401732731 532513 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flex oh god < 1401732834 736555 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst part about the C thing is that the file is the complex.hpp that (re)implements complex arithmetic. it uses no C++ features, other than // comments I guess. < 1401732863 328539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are in C99 < 1401732915 470687 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but - hilarity continuing here - this has to be compiled with -ansi, probably because for matlab's ffi, which also complains that my gcc is too new < 1401733030 716274 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that fnord was marlow < 1401733104 632340 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Class < 1401733121 4343 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: You are correct. You win ten (10) FunPoints. < 1401733128 430683 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet! < 1401733197 5086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may redeem your FunPoints for fabulous prizes at THIS FEATURE NOT FINISHED YET. < 1401733223 842736 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: what part of -ansi does it require? < 1401733230 387212 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it relies on somehting that changed in c99 vs c90 (whatever that might be) you could try something like gnu90 to get comments and useful stuff but otherwise c90 < 1401733256 386786 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean, i just changed the file. < 1401733805 632218 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not sure what the hell "#include /* Added for MS Visual C++ Compatibility 1999 */" is supposed to mean < 1401733993 265827 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401734020 363247 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401734054 441048 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: // comments predate C < 1401734071 887523 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least according to the Wikipedia article on BCPL < 1401734133 324555 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nice < 1401734506 130604 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: Maybe in the compiler he used some stdlib header also included math < 1401734532 161142 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without an include barrier, huh < 1401734533 963183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Bicyclidine: perhaps we should celebrate these days with guys like simon peyton-jones, simon fnord, etc < 1401734534 329137 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: srfi-7 doesn't standardize that, so you can't extend arbitrarly your plugin, if you half-ass something but provide the right social cues then you get 4 < 1401734535 368735 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1200) Bicyclidine: perhaps we should celebrate these days with guys like simon peyton-jones, simon fnord, etc < 1401734546 113476 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I love halfassing social cues < 1401734546 449078 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: install-info does exist internally." page 7, under heading 5, evaluation. < 1401734555 75943 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if noiseType == 0 randn('seed', 37) <-- chosen by fair die, guaranteed random < 1401734630 32953 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The latter method requires recursion and is computationally very expensive." < 1401734632 911788 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401735018 761091 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401735515 223896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* ... */ comments in C are actually a bit somewhat problematic if you want to divide by a value that a variable points to; you would then need a space or parenthses. < 1401735537 891676 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo the lexer hack < 1401735553 787670 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have spaces around binary operators anyway < 1401735803 842385 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The slashes situation is worsened in JS due to the existence of slash-delimited regex literals < 1401735839 604352 :nooodl!~nooodl@217.111-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401735843 824808 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that a valid regex cannot start with a Kleene star < 1401735844 486326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: That is only if you are commenting out a regex literal though, since a regex doesn't start with /* < 1401735859 933827 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the empty string is a valid regex though < 1401735868 195037 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :which interferes with single-line comments < 1401735874 172613 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, /(?:)/. < 1401735877 919448 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1401735896 797574 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK Perl 6 does not allow an empty pattern as well < 1401735909 313055 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn i was about to ask how perl dealt with that since it was no doubt funny < 1401735926 817189 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1401735940 562294 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's possible to have "//" not trigger a line-comment in JS actully < 1401735959 755650 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you divide a regex literal by something < 1401735966 900280 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elseviers puts their impact factors and it is the funniest shit < 1401735985 65578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why you would want to divide a regex literal by anything, but a regex might end with \// < 1401735996 792937 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that too < 1401736012 421206 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401736041 428396 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "--" -- "--" < 1401736043 139221 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "--" < 1401736201 934667 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@t (--0 < 1401736202 300814 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: tell thank you thanks thesaurus thx tic-tac-toe ticker time todo todo-add todo-delete type v @ ? . < 1401736204 695851 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waaait < 1401736255 871258 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (--0 < 1401736256 945342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets) < 1401736291 444939 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401736321 715553 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type (--)0 < 1401736322 999681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets) < 1401736336 643573 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type "hello" -- < 1401736337 867944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Char] < 1401736510 663360 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- starts a comment btw, hth < 1401736536 645178 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, took me too long to realise < 1401736631 747969 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (+)--+--(-) = 42 in (-)--+--(+)--but not always < 1401736633 665093 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 < 1401736657 51674 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 2 --++ 2 = 5 in 2 --++ 2 < 1401736658 846780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1401736679 100325 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(confusingly, ---- does start a comment) < 1401736703 133463 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell has some weird corners < 1401736707 915928 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think any sequence of (more than two) -s is a comment? < 1401736719 773053 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1401736762 457303 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401736781 436893 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401736833 263300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you play pot-limit hold'em? How commonly do you know if chess clubs will have poker and other games too instead of only chess? < 1401736965 912530 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401737006 388886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about chess boxing < 1401737603 84835 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am worried that I am one of those people who is "good at maths", and I've never really had to push myself < 1401737613 997482 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 NICK :tertu < 1401737624 12229 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I don't know how to learn < 1401737826 246276 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 QUIT :Quit: :qa! < 1401737834 646344 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401737946 645014 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell yea impostor syndrome < 1401737994 951391 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be < 1401738003 808147 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t think it’s impostor syndrome he’s describing … < 1401738111 814129 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, close. < 1401738146 550981 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1401738183 979614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would depend on a bunch of information you don't have < 1401738195 139962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a valid concern and I don't want to dismiss it as a delusion < 1401738522 116863 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could get a really hard math book. i was "good at math" and i got a bunch of books that i can't read through and just kind of look at sometimes, slowly getting a bit better < 1401738883 581651 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401739185 106659 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401739220 789351 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401739540 108498 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine, this is probably separate from my imposter syndrome < 1401739698 1540 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had it excessively easy before, it makes sense if you're lazy now < 1401740061 517044 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine, any you'd recommend? < 1401740114 89332 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you read taocp? < 1401740119 134772 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet! < 1401740129 503136 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there you go then < 1401740133 60071 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's expeeeensiiiiive < 1401740135 705620 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure you (fail to) do the exercises < 1401740138 242451 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't you in school? < 1401740147 345189 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1401740148 748800 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a dream last night I found a copy of TAOCP at a used bookstore for $10 < 1401740152 626189 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's raaaaaaining < 1401740157 352784 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sick mcpherrin, sick < 1401740186 476390 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://www.math.upenn.edu/~wilf/AeqB.html this one's free for your computer. there is no escape. < 1401740189 992133 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad it's only a dream :p < 1401740275 509098 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ought to get a copy of Euclid's Elements < 1401740327 676053 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly i think reading classics is overrated < 1401740350 984476 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :their methods and culture are just so different from modern math < 1401740351 219837 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it is just as a bookshelf decoration < 1401740360 236528 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's what taocp is for, too < 1401740360 419564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sold extra copies of SICP at the university bookstore (after our Introduction to Programming course switched from Scheme to Java or Python or something) for something like 5 EUR. < 1401740368 930591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people bought lots, to give away to people. < 1401740389 96403 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: also, you can get books really cheap on amazon, like five bucks USD (so probably a pound cos our economy's shit), such as Counterexamples in Topology < 1401740401 928049 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, iirc, was recommended by some esolang guy? cpresseY? < 1401740422 800507 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Chris_Pressey#Esoteric_Reading_List.21 yeah < 1401740443 721653 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i thought that list had better stuff < 1401740470 34313 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stephen "alpha" wolfram, lol < 1401740492 244939 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that there's like, that book on kolmogorov complexity that uses the taocp answer system < 1401740512 471813 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like, you like haskell probably, so one or two of pierce's books i guess < 1401740592 695974 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Types and Programming Languages costs £50 :( < 1401740667 344155 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they're all pretty expensive < 1401740706 980854 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe get some cheapish ones... dover has a bunch of old (like, 60s?) good texts, like Introductory Real Analysis by Kolmogorov, for like ten bucks < 1401740730 794298 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cheapness because they're not hardcover :P < 1401740812 48349 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean maybe you odn't give a shit about real analysis though, in which case you could just find a good used bookstore, or wnader through your university library < 1401740830 56662 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My university does have a library, hmm < 1401740842 767771 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever wanted three hundred years of research on generalized continued fractions? ~it's in the library~ < 1401740865 525173 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you go like, york, right? it's not some puny community college, and even those are usually pretty good < 1401740871 724622 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might wander in after my grand beginning-of-June adventure < 1401740887 128728 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, on the 14th < 1401740902 422817 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the 11th < 1401740914 264297 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly if i have work or something to do i usually just do it in the library, and goof off by reading books instead of by reading the internet < 1401740992 658483 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a good idea < 1401740995 199493 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are you? < 1401741003 680620 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, my school? < 1401741011 145090 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1401741021 20271 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a state school. Washington State University < 1401741028 561078 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presently i am sitting here putting off reading about ears < 1401741041 715588 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1401741048 171521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo p. good state < 1401741081 319914 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, the engineering library is six stories, and has everything from Bifurcation Theory to The Soviet Anti-Plague System < 1401741101 420977 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We only have the one library < 1401741105 876418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :six stories? that's not a v. big library < 1401741109 696286 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for a number of tiny libraries dotted about < 1401741115 247633 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I have never seen < 1401741118 839085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they at least split across six books < 1401741133 245601 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite both the maths and computer science departments having a tiny library < 1401741138 373303 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we have this six story library, and there's the main library that's two buildings with like three floors (but it's more history, social sorta stuff), and a veterinary library that's a few rooms < 1401741157 815980 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and are you a math student? i don't know how research works in math but you might try that < 1401741187 727224 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maths and Computer Science < 1401741193 768348 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the library at this campus is small by comparison, it has World of Warcraft Programming Second Edition < 1401741222 715667 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know how that works but you might try looking at faculty profiles and asking somebody that seems interesting for work < 1401741231 175838 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to be a mathematologist, anyway, i don't know < 1401741297 910586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401741298 104061 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I've found the Computer Science library on Google Maps < 1401741300 738478 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my experience uni professors are more than willing to talk at somebody who displays any interest, even if they're a dirty undergrad < 1401741307 392191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've told this before, but there was a maths journal on the "recent issues" table at the university library, and it had a fascinating picture in the inner side of the cover, and it was titled: "Fig. 1: A fascinating picture." < 1401741317 903199 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1401741319 386727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/titled/captioned/ < 1401741365 800800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was some sort of a graph. < 1401741589 720762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1401741596 910705 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401741658 516683 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1401741786 990442 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1176387309.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1401741908 974664 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so true. "People get unhappy when a computer blinks its lights for" < 1401741909 156827 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a while and then announces a result, if people cannot easily check the truth of the < 1401741912 11204 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :result for themselves. < 1401741991 900858 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just have it make sounds instead < 1401742045 401014 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401742154 783938 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I never check the results < 1401742222 828461 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the audience is mathematicians. they prefer humanly checkable proofs. see also http://star.psy.ohio-state.edu/coglab/Miracle.html < 1401742428 500021 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Requiring too much work to check is also an issue, as can be seen in the criticism of the Appel & Haaken proof of the four color theorem, which was partly justified.) < 1401742496 835023 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401742497 17935 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401742509 910618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401742600 360303 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401742878 472558 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401742894 911660 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401743028 392966 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1401743068 716784 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401743129 892227 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-187.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401743235 616192 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401743703 4891 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401744219 450181 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401744379 376810 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, someone proved a false statement in Agda (presumably due to a compiler bug): https://proofmarket.org/problem/viewa/58 < 1401744389 176224 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't really know enough Agda to follow the proof, though < 1401744425 696124 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401744822 273787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :working with a bunch of PL nerds is so much fun < 1401745014 235345 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, #agda has "We last proved false on " in the topic < 1401745023 865503 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently 11th of May < 1401745049 68865 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1401745050 311355 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nwat < 1401745054 720319 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*neat < 1401745063 715560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ddate < 1401745064 251686 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is Pungenday, the 7th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3180 < 1401745065 278654 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing sound type systems is hard < 1401745078 205091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1401745080 428046 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sdate < 1401745080 976100 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: sdate: not found < 1401745087 632027 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1401745090 957302 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me or is pow(x,2) weird code < 1401745150 879203 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think somebody is working on a proof of soundness for Rust this summer < 1401745153 472064 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-mechanized :/ < 1401745188 24370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wrote a implementation of that ddate in ifMUD too, although the output format is a bit different: "Today is Pungenday, Confusion 7, YOLD 3180." Still, I am glad that these two dates are in agreement! < 1401745219 982484 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, the weird bit in that is the definition of eq < 1401745235 575530 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which asserts that foo and bar are different < 1401745260 8075 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they are both values of the unit type defined in slightly different ways < 1401745272 56544 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :top is the unit, right? < 1401745275 662805 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1401745316 551366 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... ((), 1), ((), ()) is different from ((), 0), ((), ()) in most programming languages < 1401745332 328022 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it's taking the third < 1401745342 445243 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but the first element of the second element of those two tuples are the same in most programming languages < 1401745347 142535 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_, 1), ([this one], _) < 1401745366 26893 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess the difference between 0 and 1 spreads somehow. < 1401745391 617627 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Are they the people who wrote Agda they payment in case of the bug like Knuth does with TeX and METAFONT, or is it different? < 1401745425 759060 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's a bit different; the Agda devs don't pay for things like that, but the link in question indicates that someone did pay for the proof, anonymously < 1401745538 110813 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401745565 912430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think how the HOPE conference accepts payment by bitcoins too < 1401745883 299138 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That proof does not have any = line for eq; is that wrong? < 1401745914 838625 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, no, the "eq ()" means "There are no cases to match against" < 1401745930 627208 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401745940 137981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: O, OK < 1401745960 287894 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns a proof that foo = bar into bottom? < 1401745983 373963 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, because the type checker thinks foo != bar < 1401745990 549371 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you know that there are no cases to match against? How does the equivalence sign work anyways? < 1401746000 339898 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure < 1401746014 748020 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well the return type is bottom so it's not like it could return anything < 1401746292 387499 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401746433 513649 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1401747020 459765 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401747036 160091 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401747396 13309 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :doc (=) < 1401747396 195959 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data type 12= : (13{A0} : 12Type) -> (13{B0} : 12Type) -> 13A -> 13B -> 12Type < 1401747396 196093 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : The propositional equality type. A proof that x = y. < 1401747396 196181 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : To use such a proof, pattern-match on it, and the two equal things will then need to be the same pattern. < 1401747396 196268 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: Idris's equality type is heterogeneous, which means that it is possible to state equalities between values of potentially different types. This is < 1401747396 196354 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : sometimes referred to in the literature as "John Major" equality.14↵… < 1401747558 316521 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why John Major < 1401747580 734211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :“It is now time to reveal the definition of ≃, the ‘John Major’ equality relation. (Footnote 2: John Major was the last ever leader of the Conservative Party to be Prime Minister (1990 to 1997) of the United Kingdom, in case he has slipped your mind.) John Major’s ‘classless society’ widened people’s aspirations to equality, but also the gap between rich and poor. After all, aspiring to be equal to others than oneself is the ... < 1401747586 990866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... politics of envy. In much the same way, ≃ forms equations between members of any type, but they cannot be treated as equals (ie substituted) unless they are of the same type. Just as before, each thing is only equal to itself.” < 1401747591 4542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(conor mcbride) < 1401747621 712003 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh < 1401747664 214239 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, i don't get the 'last ever' part < 1401747674 294587 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'd presume it's an old quote < 1401747676 486727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he was an optimist at the time < 1401747683 107990 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1401747734 12288 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was some kind of pedantic joke, like with labour/new labour < 1401747759 521435 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the view from the left guy, right? some kind of "Left ist" < 1401747766 358311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, same guy < 1401747829 904924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, I never ended up reading /The view from the left/. :-( < 1401747881 333937 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i didn't either < 1401747885 89935 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ha < 1401747904 59783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I was going to. < 1401747922 802476 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, so was i, elliott linked it to me < 1401747935 805972 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not in the right mindset to find mcbride's jokes funny, tho :/ < 1401748138 665449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used a kind of equality that works between different types, in Haskell, by using (Eq, Typeable) < 1401748287 457825 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401748291 419592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know much about LALR(1) parsing? < 1401748446 250457 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :doc refl < 1401748447 705716 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error on input ‘:’ < 1401748456 297243 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :doc refl < 1401748456 479444 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04refl : 13x 12= 13x < 1401748456 479631 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : A proof that x in fact equals x. To construct this, you must have already shown that both sides are in fact equal. < 1401748456 479721 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Arguments: < 1401748456 479810 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : (implicit) 13{A0} : 12Type -- the type at which the equality is proven < 1401748456 479898 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : (implicit) 13{x0} : 13A -- the element shown to be equal to itself. < 1401748487 459128 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401748493 927367 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this shit is deep < 1401748547 523930 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t vectNilRightNeutral < 1401748547 745611 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.Vect.vectNilRightNeutral : (13xs : 12Vect 13n 13a) -> 13xs 09++ 04[] 12= 13xs < 1401748569 392350 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ use of heterogeneous equality < 1401748630 124766 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny how i keep thinking of things in terms of taking and returning arguments, when that's clearly fucking hopeless < 1401748683 754322 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: ? < 1401748711 925938 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i have no idea what any of this means < 1401748738 568542 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t \n,a, xs : Vect n a => xs ++ [] < 1401748738 750927 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\13n => \13a => \13xs => 13xs 09++ 04[] : (13n : 12Nat) -> (13a : 12Type) -> 12Vect 13n 13a -> 12Vect (13n 09+ 040) 13a < 1401748851 64241 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The left side of the equals is a Vect (n + 0) a, the right side is a Vect n a, which don’t immediately unify (you can prove they’re equal though), so if the equality were homogeneous, you’d have to rewrite one side within the type of vectNilRightNeutral to state the equality. < 1401748851 285515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: think of it as a forall < 1401749000 771471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"taking and returning arguments" is a good way to think about it. < 1401749024 180705 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :t the < 1401749025 631561 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error on input ‘:’ < 1401749029 813708 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t the < 1401749029 996025 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.Basics.the : (13a : 12Type) -> 13a -> 13a < 1401749057 350253 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kicks self for mixing up his prefixes for the second time. < 1401749091 659168 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd name for id < 1401749110 962996 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the Nat 0 < 1401749111 181536 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :040 : 12Nat < 1401749118 266819 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the Int 0 < 1401749118 449144 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :040 : 12Int < 1401749135 633587 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :are brackets for implicit parameters then < 1401749167 985817 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, braces are. < 1401749189 748707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is Bison parser generator so much larger (when compressed) than Lemon parser generator (when uncompressed)? < 1401749213 322235 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway, the is the way to do type annotations in idris. < 1401749216 986566 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t id < 1401749217 186141 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.Basics.id : 13a -> 13a < 1401749217 186285 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Control.Category.id : 12Category 13cat => 13cat 13a 13a < 1401749217 621995 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh, the brackets are only there to associate a : Type < 1401749231 766781 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar, i see < 1401749246 676582 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :id is the same, but with an implicit argument (hence the a is underlined). < 1401749252 192747 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401749310 845012 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t1.0-9/s480x480/282298_10150894076356344_561739999_n.jpg < 1401749325 10581 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401749437 397253 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O https://github.com/mozilla/rust/blob/master/src/librustc/middle/ty.rs#L1091-L1142 < 1401749482 776851 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401749580 483140 :aretecode!~aretecode@173.192.170.114-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401749588 874100 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that should not come as a surprise after seeing lines 240 to 259. < 1401749593 854748 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err 359 < 1401749630 645489 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.babylonjs.com/ not so sure about the library, but I love these demos < 1401749643 960771 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why people are saying it's a Microsoft clone of Three.JS < 1401749659 68632 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pub trait_impls: RefCell>>>> < 1401749663 184562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite the type < 1401749810 130079 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it? < 1401749840 438136 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the Rc<> thing? < 1401749840 620433 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus god kmc what is that < 1401749853 671758 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i don't want to know probably < 1401749854 627793 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Rc is a reference counted T < 1401749857 747979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rc is a refcounted box containing T < 1401749868 736535 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if T isn't cloneable, you can clone Rc; you get another pointer to the same underlying object < 1401749873 980496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much like std::shared_ptr in C++ < 1401749892 450085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RefCell is "interior mutability"; it basically moves Rust's alias checking to runtime < 1401749894 348356 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can clone, but can you send? (I'd hope not... I think?) < 1401749900 374135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: nope, but you can send Arc < 1401749903 738340 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :("atomic reference counting") < 1401749918 176153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a no-mutation reference to an object, you can still mutate stuff inside a RefCell < 1401749929 514091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you can go from &RefCell to &mut T, approximately < 1401749964 301896 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing so sets a flag at runtime saying "this thing is borrowed mutably", and what it gives you is actually a smart pointer which un-sets that flag on destruction < 1401749970 129520 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401749984 194689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the value has already been borrowed, it's a task failure < 1401750007 918542 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DefId and DefIdMap are rustc internal types for definitions and maps keyed on definitions < 1401750022 304292 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does that need a special Map? < 1401750038 924139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a typedef: http://doc.rust-lang.org/rustc/util/nodemap/type.DefIdMap.html < 1401750058 344543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and FnvHashMap is another typedef for a standard collections::hashmap::HashMap < 1401750089 820835 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FnvHasher: ... A speedy hash algorithm for node ids and def ids. The hashmap in libcollections by default uses SipHash which isn't quite as speedy as we want. In the compiler we're not really worried about DOS attempts, so we just default to a non-cryptographic hash." < 1401750146 303575 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blazing speed < 1401750188 601399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, TIL rust has default type parameters < 1401750192 348833 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401750196 806659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pub struct HashMap { ... < 1401750220 358384 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: haha yeah they're pretty shiny < 1401750242 309439 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hashmap was the first user, and I'd bet $1 still the only major one :p < 1401750253 76633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this how a LALR(1) parser is supposed to work? list(A) ::= beginlist(B) listitems RBRACKET. { A=doc->group; doc->group=B; } beginlist(A) ::= LBRACKET. { A=doc->group; doc->group=zcdsf_value_empty_list(0); } < 1401750253 259032 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(allocators were/are going to do the same < 1401750276 178052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite understand it if it is OK or not < 1401750315 44793 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my progrmaming language " will be the ditto operator, it refers to the operator or word above it < 1401750336 553809 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: immediately above, as in line-column wise? < 1401750353 812431 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1401750359 280645 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice :) < 1401750368 396560 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How does a Hasher work independently of the key type? < 1401750379 185769 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like a default initialization would be pretty great for that initializer of doom < 1401750393 423970 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: The key type implements a trait < 1401750410 876562 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you define hash functions for your own types? < 1401750419 303682 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just sees a stream of bytes < 1401750428 780341 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that works :V < 1401750449 952941 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: And this is not noted on the type declaration, or is kmc’s above incorrect? < 1401750454 688371 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you don't need other equality, i guess < 1401750524 249587 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: the Hashmap itself doesn't care, just the hasher < 1401750616 829410 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The traits implemented on the HashMap do, though < 1401750640 892300 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :impl, V, S, H: Hasher> HashMap < 1401750682 421251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's not a trait for HashMap, it's just the plain non-trait methods of HashMap, but otherwise yeah < 1401750724 488398 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I just copied the first relevant line from rustdoc:P < 1401750727 59292 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1401750727 349823 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was really looking for < 1401750728 201975 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :impl, V, S, H: Hasher> MutableMap for HashMap < 1401750728 388255 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so the constraint is not on the data structure, but on the functions. Thank you. < 1401750742 230117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we even support constraints on data structures? < 1401750755 991352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure < 1401750770 355901 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah, you can < 1401750772 458149 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not very good at person < 1401750789 861074 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :person are hard < 1401750806 100325 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel that that should have a winky face somewhere < 1401750827 166909 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t ShowGlue < 1401750827 748598 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09BotPrelude.ShowGlue : 13a -> 12String => 12Show 13a < 1401750827 930990 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Uh, apparently not trait bounds though :P < 1401750837 630246 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had never tried before just now < 1401750839 430150 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: what other kind of constraints are there? < 1401750844 723671 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well lifetimes :P < 1401750846 279210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what aspect(s)? < 1401750863 46655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like struct Foo { ... } ? < 1401750867 868028 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1401750873 380877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1401750879 744280 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, currently, putting bedsheets back on beds < 1401750880 748289 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'static is the only lifetime which can be used that way, right? < 1401750885 708052 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1401750890 60295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't totally undersand what it means < 1401750904 916214 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I've ever seen a struct templated that way < 1401750909 930380 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no is rust continuing the proud tradition of static being wonky as hell < 1401750912 201041 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401750935 512744 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: 'static isn't C's whatever-we-want-today keyword :-) < 1401750940 108058 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1401750949 227644 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the lifetime of data that lives "forever" < 1401750957 376187 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most commonly string literals < 1401750969 524630 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or globals. < 1401750970 83214 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so like the kind of thing that is serialized into a binary, ok. < 1401750979 90617 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mutable? < 1401750995 124383 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have static mutable data, but it's unsafe < 1401751000 922417 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think idris has a static keyword somehow … it indicates that some argument must be fully known at compile time I think. < 1401751002 79708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it gives you task-shared mutability < 1401751007 582529 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, right < 1401751011 557780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can only use it in the unsafe dialect < 1401751014 807127 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :static mut foo looks funny to me < 1401751018 237587 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there it is < 1401751024 353449 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering since you said globals < 1401751028 3413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fine, it's just like "let mut" < 1401751028 915209 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1401751044 723947 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: were you around for the great "what to call static" debates? < 1401751059 387166 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's stored in the dynamic library binary, so, call it dynamic < 1401751092 595635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 'static bound on a type asserts that all refs in the type have static lifetime, I think, but I'm not sure < 1401751129 273731 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: no < 1401751132 505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: :3 < 1401751198 556398 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :std::cell defines Cell and RefCell and Ref and RefMut B| < 1401751204 203966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what they all need, but the naming is a bit confusing < 1401751229 507526 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what they all mean* < 1401751248 672299 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yell dead cell < 1401751378 735784 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well it was a primo bikeshed < 1401751405 621279 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"`static mut` looks weird" was a common opinion < 1401751729 740946 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"life is weird, get used to it" < 1401751746 279361 :nooodl!~nooodl@217.111-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1401751927 22612 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more C questions: if i calloc an array of doubles, does the zero memory have to equal numeric zero? < 1401751982 115503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The zero memory corresponds to integer zero. I have not had problems using it as floating point, though. < 1401752021 496190 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: yes < 1401752022 837258 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :ieee floats are < 1401752030 547397 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aight < 1401752079 467702 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is because of the (useful/planned) coincidence that double(+0.0f) has the same representation as a uint64_t(0) < 1401752092 355143 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calloc doesn't know anything about floats/doubles < 1401752103 411986 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, that's why i'm asking < 1401752129 252201 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm imagining the ol' fuckyoutron 8000 having a 0.0f not made of zero bytes < 1401752135 536581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote kmc.*nickel < 1401752136 153825 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :847) What is portable way of load/save floating points in files, using a C code? #ifndef __STDC_IEC_559__ #error Here's a nickel, kid. Buy a real computer. #endif < 1401752160 343397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does C require IEEE? < 1401752162 11152 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i don't know the ins and outs of floats. < 1401752165 588634 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that. < 1401752174 369975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this might be one of the things you could DS9k < 1401752189 544874 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ds9k, that's the term < 1401752192 836945 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, fuckyoutron is fine < 1401752224 899602 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this code is bullshit conformance-wise so i'm asking out of curiosity more than anything :P < 1401752335 64783 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the boring part about actually building a ds9k is that no existing software would build and work on it < 1401752353 547046 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except OpenSSL < 1401752354 682969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I doubt it; some software may work. < 1401752391 88982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, some software might compile but fail to run properly, while others will result in compile errors since the program contains things to make the compiler to check. < 1401752452 919633 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt OpenSSL is actually valid enough C, it rather has a wide collection of differently non-conformant hacks, and would need a completely new set to work on ds9k < 1401752491 272436 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example you use the negative-array-size trick. < 1401752617 860169 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many abstractions in the WebGL world < 1401752636 526738 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tQuery = abstraction of ThreeJS = abstraction of abstraction of WebGL < 1401752701 731030 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the fuckyoutron8k could be the budget model of the ds9k < 1401752747 943833 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Bicyclidine < 1401752758 268234 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why i've never seen static variables used for defining a filter, that i can remember... outside of that one OS i guess < 1401752814 343694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used negative-array-size trick, which is like: struct { char unused[sizeof(long)>=sizeof(void*)?1:-5]; } and similar things like that. < 1401752817 436694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shitgonutssays.tumblr.com/ < 1401752834 658795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A variable of this structure type is not declared, therefore don't waste memory. < 1401752856 754641 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for your meaningless contribution < 1401752873 232796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How common is stuff like this? < 1401752902 437735 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey the finalizer thing < 1401752938 530398 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pike seems like kind of an ass from this, o well < 1401752999 924333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a little ;_; < 1401753038 397861 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that childish things quote was so much improved by lewis < 1401753128 807921 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also not very good at booking train tickets < 1401753221 365727 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have lost an awful lot of money to my own stupidity in and around trains < 1401753222 696093 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this code is rapidly making me think C is not good for writing signal processing in < 1401753259 551204 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what could possess something to define a basic looking linear filter on the last few intermediates, and then allocating storage for intermediates over the entire input signal < 1401753269 848239 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possess someone*, i imagine this isn't computer generator < 1401753271 610992 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed < 1401753276 212949 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just going to be dumb today < 1401753790 212914 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: where are you going? < 1401753808 527384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: also would you like to join #trains < 1401753847 424300 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I'm going back and forth between Hexham and York < 1401753874 549403 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I feel like I would be out of place in #trains < 1401753899 999632 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's just more of me and kmc having the same conversations about rust :P < 1401753919 829701 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'LL JOIN THE CHANNEL ON TRIAL < 1401754087 502042 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401754092 761378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: I think we should try not to talk about Rust so much there < 1401754095 650428 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a channel on t'rail < 1401754111 885063 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am in Yorkshire, after all) < 1401754220 824775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been thinking about complexity vs. lines of code < 1401754224 217551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes more code is less complex < 1401754229 164254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1401754241 956553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :200 lines where you only need to understand 10 lines to make a single change, vs 100 lines where you need to understand it all < 1401754261 28077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the supposed benefit of all the AbstractSingletonFactoryProxyBean verbosity I guess < 1401754280 756845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they take it way too far in Java because the language doesn't have the power to define /concise/ abstractions < 1401754292 863648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, concise abstractions are more code than no abstraction at all < 1401754308 893010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in many cases) < 1401754424 45513 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah I'm pretty bad at randomly picking channels to talk about things in < 1401754483 923783 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and not noticing when people are annoyed on IRC; hard to emotions with words) < 1401754613 274035 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how hard would it be to make a language with zero aliasing, without being functional like haskel < 1401754630 754014 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Fortran? < 1401754635 326920 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1401754649 950535 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some subset of Rust < 1401754677 500646 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm jungling with some design wher everything is copy-on-write < 1401754689 909602 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401754741 287383 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the problem is if you did something like, say, call some opengl function way down deep the call tree, then every level needs to have the whole opengl context as an argument < 1401754742 845882 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not good < 1401754853 244145 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need some way to have it as an argument but hide it < 1401754895 530158 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the compiler figures out your function down the call tree needs the opengl context and adds it as a hidden argument to all the call tree levels in between < 1401755269 836825 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alias kills < 1401755284 374718 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alias is why the fastest CPU is still a souped up P2 < 1401755326 863865 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not entirely understand how and why. < 1401755330 160657 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alias is why x86 was never left in the dust because other architecture never got faster than x86 < 1401755341 932711 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let me explain < 1401755355 930493 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you pass the first pass of C++ compilation, your program is in SSA form < 1401755364 3499 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie every varaible is assigned once < 1401755373 306757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know LLVM, which is using SSA form < 1401755390 56914 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd want the compiler to be able to do nice optimizations like auto-vectorization < 1401755404 600504 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, help I have drawn someone to #trains < 1401755422 165305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1401755442 513026 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time this is impossible because your loop to be optimized is going to do memory reading/writing < 1401755471 89928 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the fact that in C++ pointers can point essentially everywhere, it's impossible to change the order of memory reads and writes < 1401755516 69338 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that even if you unroll the loop to be optimized you can't group your math operations together and do SIMD because those math operations can't be moved < 1401755530 802233 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they are sandwitched between unmovable memory operations < 1401755548 309835 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means also that all your memory operations cannot be grouped together and turned into SIMD < 1401755560 511043 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some cases you can tell what a pointer is not pointing to, though. < 1401755578 571475 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that no matter what you do your code is going to contain a ton of individual 32bit loads and stores < 1401755579 374452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even if you don't know what it is pointing to) < 1401755644 741035 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you consider that a L1 cache can do 1 operation per cycle (or possibly 2 in recent intel cpus) that means if your code is 33% memory loads then you can never do more than 3 operations per cycle < 1401755649 820587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fn check_decl(&mut self, cx: &Context, d: &ast::Decl) { cx.span_lint(d.span, "This declaration contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm"); } < 1401755668 953373 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a gpu-style massively parallel CPU is impossible < 1401755683 199889 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it possible you need to be able to group memory loads/stores < 1401755694 423953 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do SIMD < 1401755710 785408 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then make the command in the programming language, to group memory loads/stores. < 1401755728 853607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is it the &'s that cause cancer < 1401755747 149089 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you make an architecture like that the C++ can't compile code that's going to go faster than x86 because it can't group loads/stores < 1401755752 666332 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : already exists < 1401755758 139727 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSE intrinsics < 1401755766 983143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to explicitly specify what a pointer doesn't point to < 1401755767 598396 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem: very few people use them < 1401755786 215672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will SSE intrinsics work on non-SSE computers? < 1401755802 885802 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-SSE computers are very rare by now < 1401755810 232185 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything that's x64 has SSE2 < 1401755862 561062 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you might want to run a program on non-SSE computers, especially if someone also make up the new one like that < 1401755920 745671 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : then you can never go faster than dumb C++ code compiled by MSVC and running on a Pentium2 derivative < 1401755923 21183 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel wins < 1401755987 917680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: did you know there's apparently a roughly accurate microarchitectural simulator for Core? http://www.marss86.org/~marss86/index.php/Home < 1401756017 753533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a list of the uops they've discovered < 1401756024 672805 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1401756025 458311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to necessarily using C++ then anyways. It could be programming language that doesn't require SSE intrinsics, it could do differently, in a way compatible with any computer. < 1401756031 376906 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah marss86 looks super neato < 1401756047 611078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pcwalton told me it's within 5-10% of real instruction timings < 1401756056 134709 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : that's why I'm talking about designing a language with no aliasing < 1401756080 152672 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait, so the x86 risc core thingie? < 1401756080 585376 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as make a block that hint to the compiler that it doesn't matter what order they are in. Such optimization hint can help even with processor that don't do any such thing. < 1401756091 235395 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: roughly yeah < 1401756099 311042 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coooool < 1401756100 583071 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : if your language has aliasing it essentially turns into C++ and then you can't go faster than C++ code compiled on MSVC runnning on a Pentium2 derivative, intel wins, microsoft wins < 1401756119 55254 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: hm, you could easily add a lint to Rust which forbids immutable & pointers, at which point you'd have approximately no aliasing < 1401756129 679463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it would break all existing code including the whole stdlib < 1401756134 846602 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: throw "restrict" on everything and see what happens < 1401756145 699891 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define int int restrict < 1401756146 937634 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc : yeah exactly < 1401756153 49043 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might want aliasing though, but it can help to be able to specify, which things a pointer doesn't point to. < 1401756179 65283 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to have aliasing "just somewhere" < 1401756191 428707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Microsoft isn't the only C++ compiler. There is also GCC and clang. And there is also other programming languages than C++, such as C and Forth. < 1401756195 543481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: C and Rust both have it, though < 1401756203 88559 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually this might actually be relevant, since i'm doing dsp... though with no realtime restrictions < 1401756226 708113 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also not overwriting earlier parts of the signal but who knows how smart gcc is i guess < 1401756239 167299 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm the best way to do it is SSE intrinsics < 1401756251 357497 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do what < 1401756252 873338 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 only but it works on GCC and MSVC < 1401756258 191687 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast DSP code < 1401756272 897446 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. hell i fi know. i just grabbed a book on DSp since i know basically nothing about it < 1401756275 69507 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: That's too bad if you cannot do it in a system-independent way. That is why it is never used. < 1401756286 421083 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also everything is nonlinear, dunno if sse cares about that < 1401756296 921946 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonlinear? < 1401756301 810862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want a x86 program you can also write in x86 assembly language and take advantage of every single instruction even though the C compiler won't do. < 1401756318 986641 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : there's no point < 1401756330 68539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is why I suggest other ways to do it < 1401756336 932741 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : essentially the only opcodes that will probably give you a gain is SSE operations < 1401756360 425888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I doubt it < 1401756407 523432 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : everything else, except a few special cases (like bit reverse or count-leading-bits opcodes) you're not going to gain anything over C++ < 1401756445 16494 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit reverse? < 1401756472 440533 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact if it's not number crunching code your chances of winning anything are slim because it's probably going to be bottlenecked by the latency level of some level of cache < 1401756486 90343 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know GCC has builtins for count-leading-bits, and Black-C has a compiler hint to specify that a given function implements count-leading-bits (resulting in undefined behavior if the function does not, in fact, implement that) < 1401756510 22382 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : yeah that's why those intrinsics exist < 1401756520 886184 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonlinear? <-- i dunno, i say "nonlinear" and everyone's liek "shit that's hard" < 1401756540 885141 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonlinear in what way? < 1401756541 389243 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what about, BCD arithmetic? Sometimes I want to use it. < 1401756563 167116 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1401756566 320243 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just no lines in this shit < 1401756573 419247 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :???? < 1401756600 665451 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : heh, I kinda wonder < 1401756624 655725 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started today, ok, gimme some slack < 1401756634 422246 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you compare the speed of code that uses BCD opcodes vs code that doesn't, which one is going to be faster? < 1401756735 851287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitcoin looks to still be in a growth period, 50% up in the last month (mostly last 14 days) < 1401756746 323116 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think the bcd opcodes would help but sometimes those opcodes are implemented in some super slow way < 1401756748 155141 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WebRTC is poorly named, it has uses other than real-time communication < 1401756773 319046 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even like some ~5 cycle per operation way that's still going to lose to some fast table lookup < 1401756799 570583 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well WebRTC is really the name of the project/goal, and encapsulates teh tech needed to get that < 1401756809 507908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nice $666 buy price on coinbase < 1401756822 521177 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[revelations quote] < 1401756831 78201 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the blockchain: tool of the antichrist < 1401756842 285000 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : actually maybe you should check if there are some intrinsics for that < 1401756887 631680 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or get some ibm clunker server that has, like, hardware decimal floating point (which exists! - unfortunately) < 1401756902 797045 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, note to transhuman dorks: sejnowski thinks we might be able to record a million (whoa) neurons simultaneously by 2030. get hype!! < 1401756974 173097 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401757085 360483 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1401757106 586584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well millionfold increase is just 20 doublings with a moore's law thing going < 1401757126 268809 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I don't know, sorry < 1401757139 288172 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol cell recordings arne't photolithography < 1401757170 326325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i understand genome sequencing has a pretty good growth rate, so it's not _just_ electronics... < 1401757178 508638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to make these and other improvement in the Black-C specification, which allows you to give a hint to use decimal arithmetic for a specified variable; if that is not possible, the hint is ignored without any warning or error message. < 1401757197 40283 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that was supposed to be "ain't", what the hell did i type < 1401757251 542818 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : it's possible, it's just... hard to justify the development time < 1401757261 602561 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/DNA_Sequencing_Cost_per_Genome_Over_Time.jpg lol < 1401757299 806025 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the dive is where they gave up on sanger < 1401757320 929380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: If a C compiler supports the syntax of Black-C attributes, even if it ignores all of them, then it will still work, just not as well as if it can understand some of them too. < 1401757363 760028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's sanger < 1401757387 6340 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanger_sequencing the original method basically < 1401757571 98384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But programs can also be written for other computer anyways, such as for Nintendo Family Computer; it is still done and I do it too. Therefore it can run on an actual hardware (or clone) or on an emulator. It is a much slower computer, but it works without worrying about SSE or about differences between computers < 1401757626 437773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is with that external links section < 1401757690 473409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read that the reason Revelation says 666 is the number of beast is because it is Nero's name in Hebrew letters converted into their numerical values. I do not know if this is true or not, but what the number is meaning depend on context anyways. Mixing contexts of numbers that don't go together is called numerology, isn't it? < 1401757704 375200 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : yeah < 1401757730 788842 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :irl most architectures are becoming more or less the same now < 1401757737 927033 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to out of order crazyness < 1401757757 666282 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86, mips, arm, power, various other riscs... < 1401757781 724884 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if 68000 was still around it would end up in cpus that look like nowadays cpus too < 1401757802 951927 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. < 1401757806 436556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if I make the computer, it has no out of order execution or implicit caching or implicit pipeline stalls or other thing like that. < 1401757813 813718 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Chrome play MIDIs so differently from foobar2000? < 1401757822 324423 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just midis < 1401757825 278674 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ogg too < 1401757825 460808 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo : nothing plays midi the same < 1401757835 831781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: didn't it turn out to be 616? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_beast#616 < 1401757844 339053 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeoL if ogg is different then one of the programs has a post processing filter < 1401757847 477505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or there is some controversy anyway < 1401757856 813317 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo : like a reverb or something like that < 1401757865 655878 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe automatic gain control < 1401757872 785482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nero is like a good guess given the time in history but there's not really any evidence whatsoever < 1401757960 327410 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : the reason why the 6502/65816 architecture and the z80 never made it to the "modern world" is that they can't make a rougly powerful architecture in that category of power < 1401757967 347353 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401757980 538117 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is with that external links section <-- it happens on science articles < 1401757988 982349 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas it was possible with the x86 (has 8 registers which is just enough) and the 68k < 1401758051 841642 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Cube Slam is using some custom MIDI playing thingy < 1401758081 287770 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially if you're doing a cacheless architecture, your performance is going to be similar no matter the architecture because everything is bottlenecked by the ram anyways < 1401758095 826866 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(major problem on the 386 and such) < 1401758157 555293 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're doing an out of order architecture everything is the same because everything gets remapped to micro-ops anyways < 1401758165 181383 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all your registers are renamed < 1401758174 821188 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so x86, arm, power, mips etc become the same < 1401758200 501988 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really in the "middle band" of cpus that you see a difference < 1401758227 414533 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Pentiums and in-order ARMs and MIPS kind of performance band < 1401758245 438728 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note, some 386 systems had cache. < 1401758254 482484 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(external, on the motherboard, but still) < 1401758283 323566 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq : but not all of them :o < 1401758289 34897 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1401758298 874051 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :286 have that problem too < 1401758350 77676 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why the 386 has some 7 cycle opcodes for really common stuff < 1401758357 670994 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401758384 228377 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to load in the opcode and the data from memory so it's not going to be bottlenecked by the 7 cycle execution anyways < 1401758433 185621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I have read that it depends how the name is transliterated; I also see in some bibles that have a footnote saying that some manuscripts say 616 instead. < 1401758452 662059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's really 686 < 1401758473 362410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the progenitor of all modern x86 < 1401758479 950878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I would also have microcodes reprogrammable at runtime, explicit caching, and BCD arithmetic, in my design. < 1401758499 670700 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my coworkers was telling me about when he worked on the IBM system 360 < 1401758503 658706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." < 1401758504 957828 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first two are really tricky. < 1401758512 326899 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCD arithmetic is a standard feature of x86. < 1401758512 721545 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to make reprogrammable microcodes woth it < 1401758515 741493 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the microcode for the 360 was basically on punchcards < 1401758524 600047 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could physically swap out parts of it for debug routines < 1401758533 735899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1401758535 782882 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: s/was/is/ < 1401758540 755680 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin : crazy < 1401758568 499915 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: I like that. However, that doesn't allow it to be reprogrammed in software, so it isn't as good as my idea < 1401758571 7013 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : explicit caching appears from time to time < 1401758571 192049 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IBM_360_20_TROS.jpg < 1401758575 355715 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a picture of the microcode < 1401758584 847980 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : see: nintendo GBA < 1401758596 242473 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a punchcard. good bookmark. < 1401758607 231010 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically z/System machines aren't *really* using punchcards, but rather "80 column records" and such, but... < 1401758610 218687 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has 32k of SRAM (fast single cycle 32 bits) and 256k of DRAM (slow 16 bits) < 1401758615 161865 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a decent chance it's older than i am < 1401758620 767666 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have GAINED ITS POWER < 1401758658 610353 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name = Intel brand chips, the mark = clones, the number = virtualized < 1401758672 27664 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : if you're going to have control of the whole system (ie a video game console) then explicit caching is usable < 1401758682 844090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish to not overcomplicate it, for one thing. Explicit caching shall be done in microcode RAM, for one thing. < 1401758689 367594 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hesitates to call that "explicit caching" though... < 1401758693 214231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes, it is designed for a single-tasking system < 1401758702 986549 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401758712 439598 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : it's not a function of single or multi tasking < 1401758714 43590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When John, he saw the numbers he lied / Made up the whole thing, he failed when he tried / To cash in on his cautious new fame / Always the numbers but never the name < 1401758725 546206 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SRAM wasn't used as a cache for anything typically, just as "faster RAM". < 1401758728 434730 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401758741 683988 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a function of "on a console most of the workload is drawing graphics and mixing sound" < 1401758743 351999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also designed for direct access to hardware in nearly all cases < 1401758762 840751 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie most of the cpu usage goes through only a few for(){} loops < 1401758765 151040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also drawing graphics and mixing sound can be done on a separate unit < 1401758767 544508 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. Minimize latency at all costs. < 1401758794 203213 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : if that's the case then you could just as well use a mips :( < 1401758796 603175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a separate microcode RAM (and therefore also a separate cache) for supervisor and user mode. < 1401758819 243129 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :supervisor is for multi tasking systems no? < 1401758828 790536 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough*N64*cough* < 1401758833 758369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few functions (such as disk access) use the BIOS, which is what the supervisor mode is for. < 1401758833 941249 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't really make sense unless you have a memory managing unit < 1401758884 999179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is for security function so that the BIOS can be overridden by the user with debugging routines and the program running in user mode won't be affected, resulting in maximum compatibility with hardware revisions and other things. < 1401758904 451828 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1401758940 943965 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also prevent the hard disk files from being mixed up too much < 1401758971 799773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ensure that a copy of a copy of a copy of a CD or DVD runs the same as the original < 1401759008 450627 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOUNDATIONAL MATHS QUESTION: has anyone defined the naturals as solutions to "f has period T -> f has period x*T" and gone from there < 1401759035 404305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also allows testing how well the program works in different hardware configurations, which the BIOS will emulate. < 1401759053 15817 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it can be used both for development and for end-user. < 1401759059 59625 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1401759065 451332 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it allows it to work even if the hard disk physical interface changes. < 1401759081 437665 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how will the redefinable microcodes work? < 1401759085 141585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are many reasons why to have supervisor mode. < 1401759096 142361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: That I don't quite know yet, but probably some kind of VLIW < 1401759134 553503 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm < 1401759165 163965 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the goal to be able to use existing code? < 1401759172 612061 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie 6502 code, z80 code etc < 1401759261 175364 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401759261 357704 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401759338 259600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Well, 6502 is slow enough that probably it can be done, and that may be a use of such thing, but mainly the intention is that you can reprogram the microcode for whatever program you are writing and can even have self-modifying microcodes if that would help you. < 1401759407 979449 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so essentially you'd come up with some mips-like opcode set for general C++ code < 1401759421 69081 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then some special opcodes for filling the screen and drawing graphics < 1401759425 735921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i think that's basically a variant of naturals being the free monoid on a single generator < 1401759438 506959 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mixing sound < 1401759546 455531 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably something to read a whole bunch of memory addresses, and then write a whole bunch of memory addresses < 1401759555 250903 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus something to deal efficiently with transparency < 1401759560 250120 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401759570 685047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1401759688 429020 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound boils down to "load from kinda randomish memory addresses, do something like 3 multiplies, add, load output buffer, add, store to output buffer, increment, repeat" < 1401759737 309629 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401759740 910186 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401759857 336549 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401759923 910342 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401759924 129812 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401760486 910977 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401760500 755757 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 NICK :tertu < 1401760509 169028 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reprogrammable microcode? < 1401760515 758003 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :burroughs small systems? < 1401760617 550177 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tertu : kinda wondering how you can make it efficient < 1401760620 289308 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds hard < 1401760659 910209 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401760667 968849 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess explicit pipelining would do it but then dealing with interrupts will probably be horrible < 1401760744 910772 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401760745 158042 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401760767 578547 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how feasible it would be except at very low clock speeds < 1401760797 912225 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any way in Linux to see how the physical RAM is laid out? Like, "two sticks of 4 GB" sorta thing. < 1401760838 971624 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure you could detect the separate sticks < 1401760858 379653 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had microcode in sram that you could read every cycle < 1401760869 856340 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from basically arbitrary positions < 1401760895 614999 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ter2 : but then how do you deal with complex operations? < 1401760903 96303 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ter2: That was basically like my idea < 1401760922 653657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Presumably using VLIW? < 1401760922 844730 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1401760930 781435 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same way every microcode architecture does? < 1401760943 832289 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just replace the microcode rom/flash rom with ram < 1401760956 736222 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean modern x86 chips have replaceable microcode < 1401760973 942586 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1401760999 583380 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you could implement another architecture, but chances are that would not be possible < 1401761009 902144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it has both ROM and RAM microcode and you can switch which one you want. Also the microcode is open documented and 100% same per hardware revision/implementation. < 1401761026 55615 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could have opcodes turn into different sets of hardware uops < 1401761028 736317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ter2: It would make it slow anyways if it is possible, but sometimes that doesn't matter if it is slow < 1401761037 190836 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that makes sense for an out of order architecture only < 1401761062 560405 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if its in order your uops are going to be more or less defined by your pipeline < 1401761211 372807 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe implement some messy grid of multiplexers and register files and multipliers and ALUs < 1401761226 36837 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and let the implementer figure out how he wants to connect things < 1401761297 910465 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401761301 739215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing I would have is, no pipeline stalls; each instruction is defined precisely and any valid implementation has to follow exactly how many clock cycles something takes and everything else like that too, including the contents of ROM (which would be in public domain, but trademarked) < 1401761364 228176 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay but you're going to need some special way to spill out the whole pipeline if an interrupt happens < 1401761377 737660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I certainly did think of that. < 1401761399 925348 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably something like freezing the whole cpu and emptying each pipeline one by one < 1401761414 882292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that was the idea I thought of at first < 1401761545 455993 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1176387309.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401761555 912799 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or banking every pipeline for supervisor mode... and then empting each one of them on context switch anyways < 1401761646 212445 :vyv!~vyv@70.50.94.52 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401761704 904561 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : how are you going to do it? < 1401761783 200196 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not entirely know yet; for now mostly it is just the ideas. But I did think of some possible ways that some of it can be done < 1401761799 303454 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1401761800 843939 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08endejxcoin 09um-32coin 02grascecoin 06p''coin 13gecrusicacoin 04deltseacoin 07harnarcoin 08befamcoin 09rmacoin 02liquecoin 06excelcoin 13slasscoin 04ratifcoin 07onozontoncoin 08miccoin 09dractracoin 02thersetcoin 06boolcoin 13dotcoin 04ookcoin < 1401761808 498076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly just the things already mentioned < 1401762079 502765 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1401762141 470686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, ter2: have you seen http://inertiawar.com/microcode/ < 1401762242 769649 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same microcode format for p4 and core2? :o < 1401762506 495094 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1401762511 721731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the moden keep crashing? < 1401762519 81921 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/moden/modem/ < 1401762525 970195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not know < 1401762567 233960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it just crashes and tries to restart but never reaches beyond the third step of starting up, unless I unplug and replug it. < 1401762713 840087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have my cable modem plugged in through an X10 outlet thingy connected to an X10 Firecracker so that I could make a cron job power cycle it < 1401762750 844104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.somethingawful.com/fakesa/10x/ < 1401762788 90582 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to figure out how to put a watchdog timer on it < 1401762974 403418 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ada/CS has a feature which C doesn't have and nor does others I have seen; you can use semicolons in the list of parameters to a function call to cause it to call the function multiple times with different values < 1401762994 711011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1401762995 349492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1401762998 641774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if any other programming language has such a thing? < 1401763004 68458 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope not < 1401763026 903485 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1401763042 956100 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin understands < 1401763068 462452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original reason for it was for the purpose of the Write procedure, but it can be used with any one. < 1401763073 40350 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is there any way in Linux to see how the physical RAM is laid out? Like, "two sticks of 4 GB" sorta thing. <-- dmidecode < 1401763075 33212 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is not so bad idea though. < 1401763087 780527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1401763139 996101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to call the same subroutine many times then it can help a lot < 1401763247 961098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically mapM_, right? < 1401763253 240283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a slightly funky syntax < 1401763315 369673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it is like that, although not what I was thinking of < 1401764087 332986 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is learning raw WebGL at least a good way to learn how 3d stuff works in general, even if for practical purposes I would use an abstraction? < 1401764177 487059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1401764188 957896 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not openGL on regular C++? < 1401764208 886706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about irregular C++ < 1401764243 715319 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I like Javascript better >.> < 1401764259 742458 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also by learning I mean reading < 1401764299 770773 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like Javascript should have been my dream environment, considering how much I've toyed with LSL despite it being worse than Javascript IMO, and liking the Smalltalk environment < 1401764318 659740 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Javascript is ... ...pluginy, in a way that C isn't < 1401764363 307303 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Synchronet door programs can be written in Javascript, so if you want to write Synchronet door programs then you can do that (although there wouldn't be any use of OpenGL with that) < 1401764382 351319 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure gouging out your own eyes is preferable to C++. :P < 1401764390 998357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is a hot mess < 1401764401 341223 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, so is Javascript. < 1401764408 471363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Synchronet also allows server-side Javascript programs for webpages too though < 1401764424 117587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS is just a mess :P < 1401764424 752731 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a hot mess that's still better than event-system-but-no-closures-lsl < 1401764427 490270 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true but 3d code doesn't involve too many of C++'s pitfalls < 1401764438 367147 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's generally math-y < 1401764447 347735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never before seen javascript described as a hot mess. < 1401764453 262731 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linden_Scripting_Language#Default_LSL_script < 1401764464 831399 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, 3D code is where you are crazy if you write C++-that's-not-trivially-transformable-to-C. < 1401764465 686248 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really dislike JavaScript much; it is better than PHP at least < 1401764475 517608 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really saying much < 1401764478 469615 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you bring data across event handlers? GLOBAL VARIABLES! < 1401764516 272555 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeaaaah, Second Life is utterly incompetently designed. < 1401764531 108585 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Few things are worse than PHP. < 1401764536 670575 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet I love SL and wrote a bunch of code in it < 1401764542 431016 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq : true but it made it to market < 1401764556 473222 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the other presumably much better competitors haven't < 1401764557 913321 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes. SL is terrible, but there's nothing else that really does what it does around. < 1401764581 840382 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CloudParty (dead), MetaPlace (dead and not 3d) < 1401764590 120251 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Second Life client is license by GPL? Therefore, things wrong with the client program can be fixed at least < 1401764596 556104 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ActiveWorlds (if you count external clients running things) < 1401764613 911659 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq : does it have anything to do aside from typesex? < 1401764616 445747 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, the SL client is GPL, and there are third-party SL servers. < 1401764639 834630 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CloudParty dying took me by surprise < 1401764649 311705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then you can also use other server if one of them is no good, too. < 1401764653 407705 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was there for the beginning and end of Metaplace, but not for Cloudparty < 1401764730 282249 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, the problem is a bit less bad than it would be if they make a mess of it and don't release the codes for someone to fix. (Not by all that much, but it is a bit. Also you can easily then see how is protocol working, and even write the entirely new one over the same protocol, if that will help.) < 1401765138 536819 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401765218 186289 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401766686 237232 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1401767225 470815 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP Alexander Shulgin < 1401767227 219203 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1401767346 601980 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:b1b1:7a6:50f1:8285 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401767435 404890 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drugs kill you, QED. < 1401767466 117892 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c < 1401767497 646483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being live for too long kill you, QED. < 1401767531 872258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1401768864 288768 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, tikhal right < 1401768919 67452 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheeit, he was born in 25 < 1401768969 500979 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401769009 389693 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, i looked him up in my library and they don't have the books but they do have a shitload of articles like "Possible Implication of Myristicin as a Psychotropic Substance" < 1401769109 615667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My goal is to win, not to knock out your pokemon. Didn't you know that? < 1401769321 443644 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your cpu architecture going to be geared towards? < 1401769339 318683 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, what's going to be your limiting factor that everything else is going to be designed from :D < 1401769966 481676 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without cache, probably memory access o_O) < 1401770046 255867 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no memory, perfect for finite transduction < 1401770096 788671 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1401770154 880275 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401770224 495365 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finite_state_transducer < 1401770273 770504 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1401770285 173542 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it presumably has memory < 1401770290 373358 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just no cache < 1401770306 508674 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except something like 16k on chip but it's explicit < 1401770322 83806 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie it resides in some address range and if you want to use it you have to put stuff < 1401770323 999927 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in there < 1401770461 539317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you have to put stuff in there yourself if you want to use it < 1401770479 919464 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: Sorry, I am going to sleep now < 1401770734 576890 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401770775 754983 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah in that case 16 bit opcodes might make sense < 1401770800 943835 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's why super H had 16bit opcodes despite being a RISC... and why ARM had thumb mode) < 1401771314 544232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode → < 1401771315 359320 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2192 RIGHTWARDS ARROW] < 1401772152 150054 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks it's a bit ironic that a WebGL demo would feature the IE logo < 1401773116 806040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote My goal is to win, not to knock out your pokemon. Didn't you know that? < 1401773118 370755 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1201) My goal is to win, not to knock out your pokemon. Didn't you know that? < 1401773123 638283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1401773127 266106 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1124) sometimes i think fizzie twiddling fungot's knobs behind the scenes shachaf: because he is in the way of eventual development of ai on par with e.g. ( sqrt square double), and the < 1401773132 596485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1401773133 736367 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :991) metar lead to canada, more metar and cows < 1401773139 65275 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1401773141 134562 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :32) `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny How hard is that < 1401773176 650279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1401773275 59991 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1401773296 119516 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do webgl demos consistently have the best graphics I've ever seen? Is it because I always play games that suck graphically? < 1401773310 207458 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because you touch yourself at night < 1401773312 288599 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently. < 1401773410 364350 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: cause they're usually pretty simple, so they can use hella-big models and textures < 1401773438 324450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you can run a finite state transducer backwards < 1401773483 928509 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite state ductranser < 1401773499 289181 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite state cisducer < 1401773526 451873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: we, alone on earth, have the power to free ourselves from the tyranny of the selfish replicators < 1401773526 753312 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i mean, not walking... around... the a2 has a 1024x768 viewfinder but my a1 has some vga crap :p < 1401773612 764956 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite state (−)-(6aR,10aR)-6,6,9-Trimethyl-3-pentyl-6a,7,8,10a-tetrahydro-6H-benzo[c]chromen-1-ol < 1401773639 434411 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401773649 478263 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401773678 821577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙮ_ꙮ < 1401773688 216998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i could talk to people i don't know in bars < 1401773710 437650 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I just realized a YOLO function should be an unsafe once fn < 1401773722 11815 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why bars < 1401773724 632859 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeTalkToStranger < 1401773856 980179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: :D < 1401773877 592833 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: my current rustc accepts YOLO as a synonym for unsafe < 1401773905 592979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1401773908 730434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you submit an RFC < 1401773910 347901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1401773913 779714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :request for coins < 1401773918 174313 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: haha not yet < 1401773922 424382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: … < 1401773928 639738 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13supercoin 04phabettercoin 07smithcoin 08yablcoin 09redgewallcoin 02dclynometramiroverseymounumerdiologcoin 06roncoin 13faucoin 04schocoin 07flariocoin 08huntcoin 09prevacoin 02datercoin 06yablingcoin 13fovecoin 04sbeecoin 07hancoin 08comensifcoin 09tkrcoin 02monommencoin < 1401773930 987136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1401774114 59361 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo : because webgl models only do one thing < 1401774137 732502 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas a game does a lot of stuff and it has to work together < 1401774157 165220 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a lot of game elements are actually quite nice in isolation < 1401774180 282489 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i want a god that stays dead, not plays dead < 1401774180 529710 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you prefer it, go for it"? why?. what's openfts? what's alatheia? equations? but you can construct < 1401774187 783221 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when you put the whole together the artificiality somehow shows < 1401774195 549259 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's the wooden character animation < 1401774269 724743 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :focus follows fungus < 1401774319 225315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :focus follows fungot | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1401774503 458397 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401774676 608657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo!!! < 1401774717 592863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must eat ice cream < 1401774770 900429 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ice cream i bought yesterday has become soup but that is okay < 1401774799 839651 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://mcpherrin.ca/tmp/yolo.patch.txt.html < 1401774820 334818 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c < 1401774881 800486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa what is this about putting 'reserved: in the middle of a static < 1401774904 610795 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's a weird macro < 1401774916 508450 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff below that are reserved keywords < 1401774946 837082 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like (whatever)* 'reserved (whatever)* in the MBE < 1401774962 940560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never metaprogram I didn't like < 1401775136 224471 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401775233 484468 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401775282 500962 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/mcpherrinm/e833906f12a9471ae880 < 1401775289 367172 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more permanent YOLO patch url :-P < 1401775333 6920 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make one that has ☢ or ☢ < 1401775341 37887 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :☣ < 1401775379 230863 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401775382 783422 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401775582 547886 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401775584 746377 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⚠ < 1401775594 235223 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+26A0 WARNING SIGN] < 1401775777 317610 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WebGL is officially a drug < 1401775778 390529 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://betanews.com/2013/05/23/internet-explorer-uses-its-ongoing-vine-series-to-tease-webgl-support/ < 1401775797 244633 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:b1b1:7a6:50f1:8285 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1401775829 820755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: explain < 1401775855 910978 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401775859 297892 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "vine" depicts an older IE holding up a bag containing HTML5 and asking "HTML5? What's next, WebGL?" < 1401775860 743322 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401775900 462542 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1401776047 431869 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha wacky. musta been on the big drug to think of something so weird. < 1401776055 429951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the big drug < 1401776059 419422 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the big u < 1401776161 646267 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401776190 315003 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right, i'm talking about... marijuhwana < 1401776231 272816 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401776316 910963 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401776331 563573 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: why doesn't your stupid state have any actual weed stores yet < 1401776411 4566 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too busy arguing over how the booze stores work < 1401776459 818811 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401776485 908674 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-126-150-232.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401776622 842772 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1401776623 922001 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02lection2coin 06rientcoin 13reimaccoin 04intenecoin 07pomercoin 08fmgcoin 09selfgcoin 02golgenomagecoin 06jellcoin 13risincoin 04kayakatcoin 07flecoin 08ajjcoin 09mycecoin 02homecoin 06consuecoin 13encecoin 04soreenmadbillcoin 07tanemicoin 08kuhecoin < 1401776625 373231 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So pretty https://www.shadertoy.com/view/lssGDX < 1401776666 602935 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Q: Can I incorporate marijuana sales into my existing business?" < 1401776930 2538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you! < 1401776997 503347 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.. as part of a logo? < 1401777007 421799 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a structural component? < 1401777073 68101 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nope < 1401777085 399022 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems like a weird rule to me, but such is #drugz < 1401777319 624016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The metaball sub is the most popular product at Subway. < 1401777330 386079 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401777370 59547 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is my browser struggling with shadertoy? < 1401777379 399748 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401777406 916004 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401777448 205391 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401777451 657118 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I believe it. < 1401777482 175206 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I think firefox hangs while it compiles the shaders < 1401777510 346034 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish the gallery pages and any page except the page for a specific shader would just show a screensht < 1401777511 301344 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shot < 1401777521 750036 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://liartownusa.tumblr.com/post/87674487235/signs < 1401777731 517896 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401777733 634578 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401778031 851233 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401778032 35246 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401778164 229205 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401778261 303828 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401778640 206441 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401778822 409980 :password2!~password@197.78.139.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401780019 340049 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Rouringu de hajikunda! < 1401780084 670064 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401780111 530465 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401780154 199957 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401780387 560749 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401780441 263765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1401780487 802369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "noöp" has science gone too far < 1401780513 73582 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401781196 171669 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401781357 372734 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401781398 313112 :password2!~password@197.78.139.173 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401781618 180187 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401781648 796943 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401781668 952791 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401782180 388106 :password2!~password@197.78.168.103 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401782271 743051 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401782288 755056 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401782417 356932 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401783930 215245 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401783989 627627 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: talking to strangers in bars is overrated. They just talk about sport, tv and other boring stuff... < 1401784069 526666 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401784069 709091 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401784257 417658 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: depends what bars you go to :p < 1401784285 548080 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iparidkmgrfmpzip QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1401784490 169417 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401784555 308175 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401784581 149618 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401784991 213634 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: if you know a bar where strangers talk about coding stuff, please let me know :-) < 1401785011 510558 :password2!~password@197.78.168.103 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1401785696 898810 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401785902 366517 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401785928 7951 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401786856 334045 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401786943 360954 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaah why do I need to convert from base 55 to base 8 < 1401786950 213930 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/8/2/ < 1401786956 464466 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: well that depends on where you are I guess, but I have talked code with bar strangers plenty :p < 1401786968 437156 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SF can be like that :p < 1401786974 697959 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Waterloo too) < 1401787003 789390 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: why 55? < 1401787013 177030 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, I don't know < 1401787021 453328 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at a past paper for an exam I have this evening < 1401787041 595581 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Convert the following numbers into a signed 8 bit binary representation.: 021(base 55)" < 1401787057 806965 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh. < 1401787087 459305 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, searching for "base 55" gives something like this: https://github.com/zmallen/SecurityChallenges/blob/master/challenges/ISTS10/encode1/encodesub.py < 1401787184 374528 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be to make sure we understand the principle of converting between bases < 1401787238 517601 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :021(base 55(base 111(base 2))) < 1401787257 755692 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god I hope not < 1401787347 517652 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things about being at University of York: there is one black swan. < 1401787373 866197 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are like 20 in the UK < 1401787385 217900 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was two at the start of the year but one of them died < 1401787390 93121 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the other has cygnets! < 1401787476 276799 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I presume the cygnets are the children of both the black swans < 1401787486 779394 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that's irrelevant to like everything < 1401787811 701696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/257334/teaching-children-to-convert-between-number-bases < 1401787925 378461 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? I,I < 1401787948 129150 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo are you dead again < 1401789880 547309 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: there's a town in Devon (Dawlish) with 10-15 black swans. We visited last year. < 1401789949 18181 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says there's 9 breeding pairs in the UK < 1401790451 579248 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401791782 269072 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION focuses on fungot, as it seems to be the Norm and the Topic told me so. < 1401791782 565167 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: damn straight. one doesn't program in c... < 1401791805 793327 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: one doesn't program in C. one becomes one with C. < 1401791806 387869 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: they could be < 1401791818 982008 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: it doesn't seem, but it do. < 1401791819 196167 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: using scsh? or did you pay? :) ( but why do you ask < 1401791838 175483 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I didn't ask. you asked. but I should ask. should I? < 1401791838 358371 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's really all of it? < 1401791850 259514 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that's all of it, and two toasts with nutella. < 1401792328 871930 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you change fungot's speech patterns recently? < 1401792446 462005 :nooodl!~nooodl@217.111-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401792720 548581 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401792939 390810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I know of. < 1401792990 531316 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1401792990 713633 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1401792998 111697 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. irc. < 1401793286 663749 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: STORMY CHICKEN < 1401793879 498648 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1401793905 367253 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401795157 996152 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ic < 1401795158 179921 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ic (INTERCAL manual) < 1401795181 764678 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how are you? < 1401795181 985533 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: if you like.) by default. to be able to match a onespot variable if it happens to be deleted, as a whole, which cannot expand any further). < 1401796417 691764 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401797294 665042 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that regarding zzo32’s question of lists in argument lists calling the function multiple times, that idris’ ! syntax could make this work, of a sort, in a context that allows multiple values … < 1401797294 954756 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hpcgjcqgttdsdxbp JOIN :#esoteric < 1401797585 225818 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401798300 534876 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I seem to have found a bug trying to make it work. < 1401798768 178532 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401798957 727604 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401800000 677641 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401800374 885366 :M28_!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401800385 592975 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 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:ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401804991 522649 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yer a black swan < 1401805140 239170 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racist < 1401805570 842995 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1401805891 408678 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah_: you're an overgrown ape who can't climb very well. < 1401805938 336949 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The current global population is estimated to be up to 500,000 individuals." < 1401805980 355070 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :population of what? < 1401805993 171159 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the actual black swans win that one. < 1401806005 546001 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1401806018 151454 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401806040 964357 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you said "actual black swans" i read it as "actual impactful events that could not have been predicted in advance" < 1401806219 796700 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :V_V < 1401806570 838814 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1401806953 983609 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb said there's only about 20 black swans in the U.K. < 1401807030 920041 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't specify a scope for your question, so I assumed worldwide. < 1401807115 271384 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it an interesting question ... the estimates for the number of pubs worldwide differ by several orders of magnitude (partly because people do not agree on a single definition of the term "pub") < 1401807378 632673 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: was continuing the discussion from several hours ago about black swans in the U.K. < 1401807495 715284 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401807525 208177 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401807732 273913 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401807796 253381 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401807818 164860 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401807819 994118 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401807843 37324 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401808572 999436 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1401808578 910177 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401808762 54945 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:MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401814332 588978 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401814574 288093 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dis86 b303b06ecd80faebfe < 1401815153 257290 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401815497 219411 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`nasm < 1401815575 891254 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whither HackEgo < 1401815636 573959 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov bl,0x3 / mov al,0x6e / int 0x80 / cli / jmp $ < 1401815646 292046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1401815707 46785 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is (base64'd for spoilers) aW9wbCgzKTsgYXNtKCJjbGkiKTsgd2hpbGUgKDEpOwo= < 1401816185 456434 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401816226 96125 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Quit: realz < 1401816532 744581 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401816572 883967 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401816905 218562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1401817168 295850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Convert the following numbers into a signed 8 bit binary representation.: 021(base 55)" <-- oh come on two digits is trivial regardless of base. i can do that one in my head. < 1401817174 487593 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401817179 59542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1401817254 281855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(admittedly it helps to remember that 127 is 01111111) < 1401817599 963415 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: isn't a bit dangerous to assume that the upper 24 bits of eax are already zero? < 1401817853 542315 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401817888 494895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah idk < 1401817891 176332 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't write the code < 1401817960 155291 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401818015 40804 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401818709 54620 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᕕ(ᐛ)ᕗ < 1401819209 40146 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1401821029 807420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1401821191 590592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you should sell scp on rust hth < 1401821395 978090 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1401821470 956613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scp? < 1401821873 149002 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1401823037 716883 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, "This call is necessary to allow 8514-compatible X servers to run under Linux." < 1401823389 872814 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401823704 608739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401824490 376048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jsfiddle.net/B85pH/ javascript is fucked up, volume 315 < 1401824542 360064 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice. < 1401825146 52644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401825218 771644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401825360 922808 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do C local static variables and threading interact/ < 1401825369 901613 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to the library this evening and took out a couple of books < 1401825425 678771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: the static overrides the local < 1401825432 568140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're shared between all threads < 1401825449 30529 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One enigmatically entitled "Categories", and the other being the first volume of TAoCP < 1401825451 202132 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 'local' i mean like in a function scope. < 1401825522 751137 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Stuff to do < 1401825655 222982 :Zuu!~zuu@0x5e911bd1.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401825656 854806 :Zuu!~zuu@0x5e911bd1.adsl.cybercity.dk QUIT :Changing host < 1401825657 37016 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1401826283 159419 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1401826535 582137 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: pre-C11, the spec says nothing about concurrency, and I don't know what C11 says < 1401826549 833504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in practice they are just like globals that can only be used in that function < 1401826553 766625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're shared by all threads < 1401826589 701511 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :void f() { static int x; ... } is much like int __x_for_f; void f() { ... } < 1401826604 734365 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i figured. < 1401826607 887437 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks. < 1401826627 347771 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of puts a damper on all this DSP stuff i have < 1401826635 737465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a common pattern for (non-threadsafe) singletons in C++ is Foo* getFoo() { static Foo x; return &x; } < 1401826644 952530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a keyword __thread in C11 that makes them specific to each threa < 1401826645 709765 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I believe is spec'd as construct on first use < 1401826647 462047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thread < 1401826652 130105 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hm... < 1401826663 408553 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this code is supposed to be c89 i guess so lol < 1401826670 616770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye olde c < 1401826701 772301 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The __thread storage class marks a static variable as having thread-local storage duration. This means that, in a multi-threaded application, a unique instance of the variable is created for each thread that uses it, and destroyed when the thread terminates. " oh, that's nice and straightforward. < 1401826714 688198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1401826732 841913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe thread-local storage is usually a bit slower to access < 1401826734 710466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not terribly < 1401826804 65105 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can look up the TLS ABI for Linux/glibc by Ulrich Drepper if you want your eyes to melt and fall out < 1401826831 219404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh the second google hit for ulrich drepper is https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10134 < 1401826854 329575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm confused that this was resolved FIXED rather than WONTFIX or WORKSFORME < 1401827797 610954 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1401827962 49607 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hwh. < 1401827963 492918 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh* < 1401828028 899785 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :hvidie < 1401828050 189063 :hvidie!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1401829121 764510 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :testasdasdasdsa < 1401829128 836960 :testasdasdasdsa!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1401829732 532936 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401829821 573029 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401830943 458478 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401831610 907581 :M28_!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401831611 593566 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401831651 632463 :M28_!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401831670 907700 :M28_!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401831898 262158 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** glibc detected *** /us/rlocal/MATLAB[...]: malloc(): smallbin double linked list corrupted < 1401831903 643632 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ain't ffi grand < 1401831999 82970 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the language < 1401832030 626564 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell, for example, has a great FFI as long as you stay away from libgmp < 1401832408 587864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most FFIs I've used are pretty pleasant, relative to the inherent pain of C anyway < 1401832416 534274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is mainly Haskell's, Rust's, and Python ctypes < 1401832452 831683 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, it's just that when i fuck up i get errors i'd never have seen in either C or the other languae < 1401832462 73817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I used JNI a bit, which is pretty un-pleasant < 1401832469 152005 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I blocked out those memories < 1401832477 172494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a higher level Haskell↔Rust FFI which can marshal algebraic data and integrates memory management and such < 1401832486 421675 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i guess i wrote over malloc overhead?? < 1401832496 927987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: seems like < 1401832499 665449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: now write an exploit < 1401832515 252319 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha it's matlab, it's one giant attack surface < 1401832530 986516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to get matlab to dump Java stack traces to its console, once < 1401832546 914414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also confused it to the point it thought minus infinity was greater than 0 (it segfaulted soon after), purely trying to use it in normal operation < 1401832560 47148 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this time i got an abort signal and a crash, rather than having to kill the process < 1401832562 1616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could send unique-boxed Rust objects to Haskell as ForeignPtrs < 1401832581 679394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could have refcounted Rust objects where some refs are held by the GHC heap < 1401832610 985284 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time it was a bad free... what the hell am i doing < 1401832614 768439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could lend Haskell objects to Rust if you have a way to root them in the GHC GC < 1401832621 88575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like how we lend JS objects to Rust in Servo < 1401832649 35638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a rewrite of the GHC RTS in Rust would also be pretty neat, though a ton of work < 1401832670 538775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I recall SPJ spoke favorably of that idea < 1401832681 836912 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that would be interesting. < 1401832689 373944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of Rust's RTS is written in Rust :) < 1401832697 537682 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Rust doesn't have much RTS, and it's mostly optional < 1401832732 555660 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is GHC's RTS written in? < 1401832751 247981 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C and assembly < 1401832753 199387 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mandarin < 1401832754 481706 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1401832757 104316 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :K < 1401832763 802052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about 50 kLOC iirc < 1401832771 474304 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I happen to know some people intending on writing a Haskell compiler < 1401832790 825236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: feel free to put them in contact with me < 1401832798 967583 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I know and like Rust and I know a fair bit about the things a Haskell RTS has to do < 1401832826 493102 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: What’s their motivation for another Haskell compiler? < 1401832832 215530 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, fun, mostly < 1401832833 470430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it named YAHC < 1401832839 138921 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: Fair enough :-) < 1401832845 983138 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also sadness at the fact that YHC is really unmaintained < 1401832848 803615 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started writing a Haskell compiler named THC < 1401832875 260577 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does THC stand for THC Haskell Compiler? < 1401832887 184563 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it is a new Haskell compiler written in the University of York, it is of course called the New York Haskell Compiler < 1401832889 909971 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please, no < 1401832891 677156 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thank god. < 1401832962 579736 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Someone recently asked on the Yhc mailing list if Yhc was dead. The answer is yes, noone has been working on the compiler for several years." < 1401832992 572533 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The biggest challenge for Yhc was the build system - we ended up with 10,000 lines of Python Scons scripts." < 1401833001 718226 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1401833015 733175 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you understand why we want to start again < 1401833022 872676 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I figure out where gcc is getting includes from, again < 1401833030 812611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I wonder how aimake would react to it < 1401833061 794380 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, here's the webpage: http://www.cs.york.ac.uk/fp/darcs/yhc/web/ < 1401833068 395742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: my method was to compile a test program that includes iso646.h, limits.h, sys/types.h, setjmp.h, and zlib.h < 1401833077 929961 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like that method :( < 1401833082 616482 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to put the two in your program accelerator < 1401833086 553858 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want to know where mex.h is. < 1401833112 173628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: I wrote two screenfuls of comments on why those five files specifically < 1401833134 278017 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do i ask questions here < 1401833319 689538 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: good name for a compiler < 1401833331 345943 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, I think it was my suggestion < 1401833360 37320 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either me or one other person it could have been < 1401833716 313664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice https://github.com/asciimoo/drawille < 1401833744 770287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1401833750 233424 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF ONLY TELNET WERE A DECENT PROTOCOL < 1401833757 307876 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION breaks down into mostly irrelevant tears < 1401833767 103860 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb gon bring down the wrath of zzo < 1401833782 213831 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought zzo was more of a gopher chap? < 1401833802 709508 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway did you get anything good at the library < 1401833805 361897 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. pornography < 1401833817 305438 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as far as I am aware < 1401833826 496880 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all bad things, huh < 1401833891 66468 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, telnet is not as bad as I thought < 1401834075 545206 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i don't know what the hell i'm doing to matlab, this is almost funny < 1401834090 721500 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401834110 546362 :M28_!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 NICK :M28 < 1401834218 148704 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'night < 1401834707 500775 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401834834 335199 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401834983 854252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401835226 617719 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:317b:bb01:795f:bf29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401835294 493588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: what are you FFIing? < 1401835322 719855 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i fixed the error through some method that indicates i don't understand this program. is there any good way to declare a function declared in a header __attribute__((noreturn)) or should i do something else < 1401835346 312283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: it was TriBeCa Haskell Compiler < 1401835363 711617 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the moment, i'm calling a middle ear simulator written in C, from matlab. < 1401835407 753304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1401835435 485162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: what do you mean? you can put __attribute__((noreturn)) on the decl in a header < 1401835442 141703 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's not my header. < 1401835469 779600 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I'm not sure how gcc feels about re-declaring functions < 1401835480 695642 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only warnings i'm getting are about a variable being uninitialized; i have code like if (species is out of range) mex_error_Thing() else if (species == ...) initialize else if (species == ...) initialize < 1401835506 838159 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know the best way to fix this. i'm guessing gcc doesn't know that mex_error_thing aborts but i don't technically know that < 1401835535 412099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define mex_error_Thing lol_screw_u #include "mex.h" #undef mex_error_Thing __attribute__((noreturn)) void mex_error_Thing(...) < 1401835560 708083 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try it. #yolo < 1401835573 335606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is kind of the worst thing ever < 1401835575 704456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm proud of it < 1401835588 850301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just redeclaring might also work. < 1401835590 739333 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, first i'll just redo the declaration to see what gcc does < 1401835592 580329 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1401835599 786492 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN i'll betray god with this code of yours. < 1401835604 389370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you know, edit the header. < 1401835609 649726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or copy-paste the header into your file and then edit it < 1401835610 866389 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pshhhhhhh < 1401835623 484764 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway is there some other way to do what i'm doing? I don't know if it's best practice or whatever. < 1401835630 85047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use some pragma nonsense to disable the warning < 1401835651 719599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could write your own ((noreturn)) wrapper which calls mex_error_Thing(); exit(1); or so < 1401835658 540830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even while(1) mex_error_Thing(); < 1401835659 461597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1401835663 564140 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1401835688 574755 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mex error thing returns to matlab, which is why i'm a bit worried about declaring mex noreturn. i think the C might live in the same process as matlab? i kind of don't want to know honestly < 1401835690 962075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a dummy initialization? < 1401835699 53714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably does < 1401835705 702416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I wonder how it manages that < 1401835711 119457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly setjmp / longjmp < 1401835730 810218 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gonna do a dummy but then i'm worried that if i change things around later i might actually leave them with the dummy values, which would be annoying to debug < 1401835731 349808 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a function which calls longjmp is a valid use case for noreturn, aiui < 1401835744 552881 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :initialize to dummy and then assert that they aren't dummy before you use them? < 1401835752 929247 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess taht would make sense. < 1401835759 73655 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all doubles, so i guess i can make them nans < 1401835802 201899 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, there are eighteen of these, so it's gonna be annoying any way i do it haaaaa < 1401835808 793811 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1401835811 904484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :macro time! < 1401835831 715964 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. yeah, it's doing matrix multiplication, so that would work fine probably. < 1401835851 536267 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, something resembling matrix multiplication at least < 1401835856 925922 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can yout ell i don't know what i'm doing < 1401835884 90108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem to know what you're doing a lot better than most scientists who code < 1401835905 827663 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try! < 1401835920 442422 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this code also has a couple casts from doubles to ints, so like, lol. < 1401835931 815448 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think even matlab doesn't actually want you to do that < 1401836023 841028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut < 1401836050 388369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, (int) 3.0 will do a conversion in C < 1401836053 890737 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a reinterpret < 1401836056 33933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck C, by the way < 1401836060 899719 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't... know what that means < 1401836066 899067 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it will give you the int 3 < 1401836071 255631 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Weird. < 1401836072 570326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind that it's represented by completely different bits < 1401836074 125784 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C casts do like 3 unrelated thing < 1401836075 446475 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry though. THe doubles are actually ints to begin with. < 1401836077 301574 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell yeah. < 1401836078 469096 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is really annoying to everyone < 1401836095 691547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people show up asking "how do I do casts in language X" and you have to figure out what the hell they actually mean < 1401836103 460636 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, i know exactly what you're talking about < 1401836110 413705 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how do i convert a string to an int" i have bad news < 1401836111 686185 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: eugh double - int casts in C make me sad < 1401836114 338147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1401836120 729970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/FAQ#Does_Haskell_have_type_casts.3F < 1401836125 171316 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I suppose they do what you want most of the time < 1401836169 525625 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway as far as i see the code does something like this: matlab puts an int somewhere. matlab calls my C. the C retrieves the value using mxGetPr, which returns a double*. then i (int)that[0]. so it's never actually a double. < 1401836192 469022 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an mxGetData that returns a void* that you're supposed to use so i'll use that once i get anything working < 1401836239 599117 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401836274 632114 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1401836497 750217 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowwwww matlab uses a custom linker script for ld < 1401836522 200744 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowwwww someone's using matlab < 1401836530 12879 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :work, man. < 1401836538 206321 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or non-man. i don't rcognize you. < 1401836540 858194 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, i guessed as much ;-) < 1401836572 737090 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blitter64: hi! who are you? < 1401836581 462373 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the first time i've seen a ld script in the wild < 1401836585 512596 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it looks pretty simplistic. < 1401836604 975062 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi boily. i'm me! < 1401836607 316881 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka chaiomanot < 1401836620 141718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: since gender is constructed we can't apply the law of the excluded middle! < 1401836621 787393 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is the symbol export map file for glibc Linux MEX-files with Fortran gateways" god help me < 1401836623 113160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1401836631 467638 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :psssssssh constructivists < 1401836658 52937 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :principle of explosion sounds p. good in a gender context < 1401836674 533944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1401836750 446257 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blitter64: I vaguely recall having seen a chaiomanot somewhere. maybe. < 1401836753 504128 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Rust's linker have scripts and weird bullshit like that < 1401836757 574417 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: exploding genders??? 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< 1401841800 697258 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted, the last hour and half was more watching a movie waiting for things to cool down < 1401841823 566274 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at least 1h of dough raising time < 1401841862 600866 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like something bready. < 1401841933 49779 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamon_roll but I did them different shapes and only half the batch with cinnamon < 1401841960 749585 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other half with almond paste < 1401842036 552372 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooh... < 1401842115 478859 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(something ostensibly like http://lillafavoriten.com/wp-content/uploads/bild-32.jpg, but not even nearly as pretty) < 1401842303 566234 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird. very weird. that may be the first picture I ever saw that progressively loaded to the left. < 1401842317 288620 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist < 1401842325 722481 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :954 is out? :D < 1401842344 200546 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: something about Fettisdag, and that special royal pastry. < 1401842410 356006 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably loading progressively from the top, but also includes jfif tags saying it's rotated < 1401842430 369898 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can also give you progressive loading from the bottom < 1401842468 36003 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401842493 781480 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: nah, just ordinary swedish fika ... my turn to bake for tomorrow < 1401842599 2258 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fettisdagen is before lent, whenever that is < 1401842656 50742 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, anyway, good night < 1401842676 513058 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bolsnernne nuit! < 1401842999 871490 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401843040 270403 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, is it... regular... ordinary swedish fika < 1401843109 383572 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-214-98.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401844121 397929 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-214-98.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401844162 238273 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII < 1401844200 848862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily needs more chicken < 1401844201 229486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1401844214 993859 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401844595 463143 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1401844799 91416 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401844816 119814 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401845631 531292 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with .json extensions? They say nothing about the meaning of the thing, just the format? < 1401845701 27196 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that true in some sense for most file extensions < 1401845712 981165 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.xml < 1401845825 328366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it < 1401845848 414531 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I've seen .xml, I may have been hallucinating .json < 1401845856 823342 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1401845857 18478 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1401845857 324867 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have seen .json < 1401845871 217278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML files may or may not describe their own meaning internally < 1401846185 611497 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C++ a method's local variables can have automatic or static storage, but I wonder if there are other langugaes where you can also do object storage < 1401846197 972152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the variable implicitly becomes a bit of member data, which is only visible within that method < 1401846213 372856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't really possible in C++, where you need to know an object's layout without seeing the implementations of all its methods < 1401846257 22290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would seem fairly useful, though < 1401846294 736307 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly good for concurrency < 1401846312 55219 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes this different than member variables of the object? < 1401846319 143213 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than scoping < 1401846326 931049 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the implicitness < 1401846345 581581 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is you have a method that has some local variables, and they're made into fields of the object rather than locals of the function < 1401846395 168312 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's a purely syntactic distinction < 1401846453 148989 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, no? < 1401846459 810978 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scp: scoping is the whole point < 1401846468 610740 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes a static local different from a file-level static or a global? < 1401846486 396307 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the answer is time of initialization, but i'm ignoring that for the moment) < 1401846518 396656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(these would be initialized on first call, like static locals, because you can't name them in the constructor or initializer list) < 1401846522 424309 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that varies by language too. But yes, the fundamental difference is that two functions can have different 'static int foo's < 1401846527 826459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I don't remember if that's guaranteed threadsafe) < 1401846590 131499 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-ncsimigjqhxafdok JOIN :#esoteric < 1401846783 191230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR g++ has a global lock for all non-POD local static initializers, which is not great < 1401846796 589841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I am very bad at pinball, even when sober < 1401846839 445925 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That is what the generated code suggests. Or what it did last time I looked at this, maybe a year ago. < 1401846843 560961 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is being good at pinball even possible < 1401846857 847142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the machines showed much higher high scores than I could attain, but maybe they were hacked. < 1401846872 1810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did get a top 10 score on Asteroids and Tempest, though, which I found weird < 1401846875 168137 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they reset them frequently < 1401846885 230351 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asteroids like, spaceship, shooting? < 1401846888 517685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I've said this before but original vector Asteroids is amazingly beautiful < 1401846891 522289 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1401846965 732143 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1401846983 578456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I noticed the lines are not perfectly smooth because the DAC has only a 10 bit resolution < 1401846993 737577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you could fix that with a switchable low-pass filter < 1401847162 235641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> dinner < 1401847470 483428 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: vector displays are too pretty < 1401847478 118039 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss my analog scope :( < 1401847487 900777 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jj2baile: has it now < 1401847724 636317 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401847823 993878 :MoALTz__!~no@user-188-33-233-112.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401848011 457010 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-233-112.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1401848851 293102 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the reason the docs on x3dom.runtime were empty is because they killed x3dom.runtime < 1401848866 979648 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip in pieces < 1401849093 663950 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No they didn't < 1401849113 705170 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip in one piece < 1401849137 527655 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401849614 470345 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Web pages can independently open view-source: urls now? < 1401849620 907251 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they don't even say view-source: in the URL bar? < 1401849625 662635 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this world coming to? < 1401849665 644466 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7BnMnr-KSY this should explain < 1401849674 673516 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the world is coming to < 1401850148 440087 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ the only reason I realized I left this 'CORS EVERYTHING' extension enabled is because something that relied on CORS broke < 1401850149 777241 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ :/ < 1401850152 927646 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401850166 396560 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' header contains multiple values 'http://threejs.org, *', but only one is allowed. Origin 'http://threejs.org' is therefore not allowed access. " < 1401851059 753849 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401851720 757112 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401851992 396198 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 NICK :tertu < 1401852609 134408 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1401853273 960345 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401853441 134885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1401854294 410372 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401854294 591806 :ter2!~tertu@41.sub-174-238-224.myvzw.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401854312 11405 :ter2!~tertu@41.sub-174-238-224.myvzw.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401854777 778292 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401855015 978753 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401855641 713967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello party people < 1401855698 772873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like hangover < 1401855713 591470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not literally) < 1401855748 758584 :M28_!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401855886 72560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : at the moment, i'm calling a middle ear simulator written in C, from matlab. <-- well you cannot expect labyrinthic code to be bug free hth < 1401855919 922130 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401855921 406406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks some things up < 1401855922 916007 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I get it. < 1401855954 268400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was kind of hung over today < 1401855959 971950 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIDDLE ear, FUCKER < 1401855968 679631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh darn < 1401855982 32120 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the problem was just a buffer overflow < 1401855984 519594 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:317b:bb01:795f:bf29 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1401855988 5109 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like normal for those to fuck up malloc data < 1401856004 717043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :brazilian coworkers and their caipirinhas < 1401856013 292755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: if it's a heap allocated buffer, yes < 1401856020 511913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :malloc metadata is typically stored right next to allocated blocks < 1401856023 483120 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, and here i was thinking i was interesting < 1401856029 248135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of the main ways of exploiting heap overflows < 1401856055 815687 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the allocator does something like "foo->prev->next = foo->next" and you control those fields, then you have a write-what-where primitive < 1401856081 138814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you should play http://io.smashthestack.org/ < 1401856089 261268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is clearly highly relevant to your work in computational biology < 1401856126 899788 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1401856175 225610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i guess my pun should have been more anvilicious :( < 1401856252 473758 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly i just felt shitty due to only sleeping 4 or 5 hours last night < 1401856254 398566 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would probably have made it more clear < 1401856257 355880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have no fucking idea why that was < 1401856257 998916 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1401856263 544104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alcohol may have been a factor < 1401856398 784893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is your favorite alcohol < 1401856398 929231 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 2. compile the externally-called files. ( the resulting combination. ( `next from' is likely to get two versions of some other intercal compilers; types are calculated at compile time, at least to the c temporary files to object files and include files, and this is a more portable way to pop the top of the resulting value being discarded. < 1401857237 135124 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a browser that's not afraid to break compatibility with the web < 1401857259 133864 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that webmasters can strive to meet compatibility with, but is more secure for users of that browser < 1401857273 713202 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No cross-domain cookied GETs and POSTs < 1401857295 447081 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that could make the site less secure for other browsers, if those assumptions are relied upon < 1401858131 341948 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :var split = true; < 1401858131 486495 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : if(split) < 1401858135 248514 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o...k.... < 1401858142 855908 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/schteppe/cannon.js/blob/master/examples/threejs_fps.html#L185 < 1401858202 900553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a god that stays dead, not plays dead < 1401858211 559630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: we have various ideas about this kind of thing < 1401858214 876597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly for perf not security < 1401858227 383562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. "asm.css" where you opt in to a faster layout algorithm that disables certain corner cases < 1401858254 533283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and new APIs like getBoundingClientRectAsync() < 1401858297 265178 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me, is NodeJS likely to start using generators when they're available? < 1401858304 853246 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And make them well-integrated in the stdlib? < 1401858309 789436 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would make me actually look at it < 1401858370 528456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: did you see http://jsfiddle.net/B85pH/2/ < 1401858410 157319 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have. < 1401858411 602253 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat. < 1401858424 83617 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... can't be part of the JS standard? < 1401858429 614853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it is, now < 1401858445 70689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be pretty bad if your implementation had to account for the possibility that *any* function call could change the caller's scope < 1401858452 561135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wrt this particular power, `eval` is special syntax < 1401858505 24463 :M28__!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401858510 730567 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, thought it was a security thing. Make it blatanly obvious when eval is being used < 1401858521 108576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a nice side benefit I guess < 1401858564 92220 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do setInterval and family also have this power, or just eval? < 1401858590 150994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, imagine what it would be like if setInterval *did* < 1401858603 84060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://media.bestofmicro.com/silent-pc-passive-cooling,8-C-367068-22.jpg < 1401858636 349856 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was going to try it, then realized that.... wait, hmm, maybe it could... no... can't pass both a string and closure in, can I? < 1401858693 309588 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why eval with explicit environments is the superior eval < 1401858705 752281 :M28_!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401858723 943495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I dearly hope not even JS has a way to say "change the variable x in my scope in some random amount of time not less than some constant". < 1401858767 591095 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Rebol has... < 1401858782 233288 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :matlab does, probably < 1401858818 875354 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i found out there's an undocumentedmatlab dot com, disproving the existence of god < 1401858895 666562 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't really count: var foo = [0]; < 1401858895 811022 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :setTimeout(function(){foo[0] = 1;}, 5); < 1401858895 955564 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :setTimeout(function(){show(foo[0]);}, 10); < 1401858956 298785 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, give me yield... < 1401858969 123321 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, can't you just do it with los clojures < 1401859018 368939 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just tried it by assigning to foo directly instead of modifying array if that's what you mean. Worked. < 1401859031 21817 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bam < 1401859170 680719 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah there's that java 'randomly change all ints in the vm at random intervals' thing too < 1401859197 218445 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :nondeterminism ftw < 1401859247 746472 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true become: false < 1401859263 784472 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that sounds like a good feature for intercal < 1401859277 854683 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's for security testing, ovviously < 1401859301 50478 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true become: false. makes things go blank on Pharo 3.0. false become: true causes things to freeze < 1401859306 925336 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardened Intercal < 1401859311 319482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the problem here is just "race conditions exist". < 1401859314 636603 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SECal < 1401859318 27078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just shared memory. < 1401859332 340835 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would suck if messing around with this actually did something screwy outside the Smalltalk VM < 1401859494 18473 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet everything will go fine if you switch true and false both at once < 1401859501 720882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :become: swaps, I think. < 1401859513 855521 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they have different consequences then < 1401859540 575082 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i was just talking about races, bike" yeah well you wouldn't help me think of a good name < 1401859582 504993 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it does, although I didn't think it did < 1401859602 631013 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott confirmed for jerk with dumb face < 1401859614 1049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what :( < 1401859750 305075 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://24.media.tumblr.com/f7ad90b05a4a5ff18783b09ed2de9d45/tumblr_n6kcs32i921rk8yano1_500.png < 1401859891 194507 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like a BYOND game.. graphics for the dialogue are better though < 1401861685 578956 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hpcgjcqgttdsdxbp QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1401861706 679146 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401863906 544844 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JOIN :#esoteric < 1401877225 532124 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong. (I saw earlier that lambdabot joined #nicta-course, so it didn't seem urgent to reply) ... for how long is this course taking place? I can add the channel to lambdabot's configuration so it will rejoin by itself when restarted. < 1401877231 411938 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm < 1401877238 796507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :missing privmsg. whatever. < 1401877360 593749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that was a privmsg < 1401877365 387457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a channel privmsg < 1401877454 205806 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't see any privmsg < 1401877478 164059 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: you should read more irc spec < 1401877558 834678 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you are correct as usual, but you probably know what I intended to say. < 1401877569 744767 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401877574 289941 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de NOTICE #esoteric :Not a privmsg. < 1401877576 890094 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1401877594 864920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ordinary messages sent to channels are privmsgs, technically speaking < 1401877601 896213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e's notice is not a privmsg, but it's one of the few things that isn't < 1401877606 255474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that this is a privmsg too < 1401877626 975431 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IRC spec won't save you this time, read the CTCP one < 1401877643 102439 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes it will, PRIVMSG and NOTICE are defined in the IRC spec < 1401877647 525003 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 NOTICE #esoteric :test. test. un deux un deux check. < 1401877662 537038 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQUERY is too < 1401877667 251474 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody uses that < 1401877676 100018 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: but then you will never see any emotes < 1401877678 269495 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a SQUERY? < 1401877695 54627 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a message to a service < 1401877697 222475 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just unmotivated \001 thingies < 1401877714 175596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, according to the spec, bots are supposed to talk only in notices < 1401877716 398205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid botloops < 1401877730 328095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's generally ignored because mIRC's interpretation of the spec tends to outweigh the actual spec < 1401877737 463346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in terms of users getting annoyed at you < 1401877753 511230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mIRC treats all notices as pingworthy by default, for whatever reason) < 1401877768 48044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the IRC commands should just have had better names < 1401877790 249522 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why would anybody POP UP a message box for a message that by specification is deemed less important than a privmsg?) < 1401877800 935077 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if NOTICE were named REPLY ... < 1401877810 171221 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(following ais523' thought) < 1401877833 974622 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway. < 1401877852 853372 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, the mIRC thing pisses me off < 1401877856 687477 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted a privmsg targeted at a particular nickname, not a whole channel. < 1401877857 158445 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with regards to color codes < 1401877883 102037 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish a server operator had had the spine to say "no, fuck your stupid spec, I'm filtering out your color codes until you fix them" < 1401877891 555736 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1401877891 697732 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc said 9h 21m 30s ago: needs more chicken < 1401877903 654134 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: /set hide_colors on keeps me calm and happy < 1401877910 715914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that was my solution too < 1401877911 981781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(irssi) < 1401877923 190567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the way you do that's different in Konversation < 1401877931 872200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: actually, the best response < 1401877934 304632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is to write a bot < 1401877940 5844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where whenever anyone uses a mIRC color code < 1401877943 714304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it replies with a notice < 1401877948 542046 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell kmc I couldn't chicken yesterday, I was minecraftedly disturbed. < 1401877948 641708 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1401877960 57154 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hahaha < 1401877972 178283 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that doesn't solve the problem < 1401877990 997525 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that mIRC has a fundamentally broken spec, and everyone else follows along because mIRC has an insane and stupid amount of momentum < 1401878043 308642 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless of any individual user's preference to colors, the implementation is flawed, and implementations should insist on one that works (like the one in the CTCP spec) < 1401878069 4413 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: where did I write that it solved the problem? "calm and happy", ignorance is bliss. :P < 1401878092 468643 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also doesn't solve the other big problem, which is that people use mIRC < 1401878187 1797 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I just can't seem to get worked up on *this* minor problem (unlike many others). < 1401878330 469231 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: IRC is an extremely heterogenous spec. It is frustrating that there is no standard. < 1401878345 997552 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the RFC, which has bad design but that no one has actually stepped up and shot < 1401878362 986608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with mirc's colour codes < 1401878381 51211 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has an increasing variety of server-specific controls, as the proliferation of IRCds get their own modes (sometimes really bizarre ones) and services become more integrated with them < 1401878405 524038 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the increasing trend towards centrally adminsitered networks also leads to more of this < 1401878427 307852 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They are ambiguous < 1401878440 229064 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are string/colour combinations which cannot be expressed < 1401878684 576692 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12Ceci n'est pas un code de couleur < 1401878816 514134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401879342 235770 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmpp would probably be much better but irc has an insane and stupid amount of momentum < 1401879664 967327 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MOMENTARY CHICKEN < 1401879705 769937 :nooodl!~nooodl@217.111-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401879978 882272 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmpp is a basis for a protocol I thought, rather than an actual protocol? < 1401881820 621563 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401881860 651199 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1401881882 360829 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401882565 698746 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401883438 43037 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401883926 914987 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401884516 540640 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401884895 118690 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401885733 853234 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1401886911 593491 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401890536 716938 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: re. colour codes/unrepresentable strings, do you have any example? < 1401890599 762120 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK ^C04 is legal for switching to red, and can't be confused with anything else < 1401890634 341500 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The single-digit variants are problematic though < 1401891213 14740 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401893056 177654 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: What if you want ,10 in red? < 1401893074 788414 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the default background < 1401893336 729151 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401893537 534763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1401894232 681173 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ^C is CTCP, the %C spec is mirc < 1401894592 548493 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401894672 393552 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dcoj.wmh3.com/cscos/h/ this is going to be the next big thing! < 1401895012 956613 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401895117 956755 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1401895315 625047 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1401895345 559514 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rftsrrvduldswxjz JOIN :#esoteric < 1401895720 921425 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401895729 281832 :mellifluous!~frait@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1401896102 461951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the address of a static object to identify a resource is pretty handy < 1401896116 751688 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then the linker takes care of assigning unique IDs, even if you have dynamically loaded plugins and what-not < 1401896720 333121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing dlopen()-style plugins in Rust is really easy < 1401896727 159542 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no particular reason it wouldn't be, but still, I was pleased < 1401896733 641264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no typechecking, though :/ < 1401896889 582971 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401896894 946361 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401897841 494541 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401898303 917206 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401898640 875435 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401898806 799162 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401898833 617196 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401898952 482105 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-47.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401899337 774494 :nooodl!~nooodl@217.111-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401899373 980318 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401899822 607914 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401899979 563258 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-233-112.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401900615 201866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1401901940 58785 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401902781 636957 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :lawspeaker < 1401902788 363170 :lawspeaker!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401902830 641341 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401902886 585184 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :lawspeaker_ < 1401902927 147730 :lawspeaker_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1401902931 470252 :nortti!nortti@109.74.197.6 NICK :lawspeaker < 1401902950 569343 :lawspeaker!nortti@109.74.197.6 NICK :nortti < 1401902978 302686 :nortti!nortti@109.74.197.6 NICK :lawspeaker_ < 1401902989 622237 :lawspeaker_!nortti@109.74.197.6 NICK :nortti < 1401903124 40554 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401903269 326294 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401903288 977518 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Politics are overrated < 1401903734 592582 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: hm oh, good point < 1401903754 940436 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: CTCP is ^A, no? < 1401903770 287362 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but eh, whatever < 1401903914 364981 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401904108 342284 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is < 1401904125 997855 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^A is CTCP, ^C is colours < 1401904140 161412 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :04Test < 1401904148 714915 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :04,01 < 1401904164 529244 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured it out < 1401904179 519628 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-47.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1401904268 476846 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-177.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401904553 513453 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401904591 620438 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 NICK :Bicyclidine < 1401904625 393160 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401904717 102648 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401904952 159106 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ^A is used to introduce a CTCP command. But CTCP specifies other control codes, like ^C for colours and a few other formatting characters < 1401905002 138401 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't know that < 1401905190 621418 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just aren't widely implemented because mIRC < 1401905217 878103 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's basically because Khaled went "here's how I do it" and presented a poorly formatted spec, and then resisted all efforts to fix it to something sane or get him to use the spec everyone else was using < 1401905225 874568 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no other irc client dev is as stubborn, so he won < 1401905381 164425 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric computation medium: pulleys http://vimeo.com/93042377 < 1401906105 598721 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1401906356 606410 :nortti!nortti@109.74.197.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 954 < 1401906365 519271 :nortti!nortti@109.74.197.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erh < 1401906380 528850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we've already had that one. < 1401906389 165969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that HackEgo was up back then. < 1401906419 282418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or now. < 1401906445 155125 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR IN TWO MINUTES < 1401906468 925255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: quick, you can make Bicyclidine be wrong if you hurry! < 1401906489 481538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an incentive < 1401906505 668690 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, i am known for never being wrong < 1401906532 99552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hey it might work. < 1401907149 958581 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :< int-e> coppro: /set hide_colors on keeps me calm and happy – Aww, but then you can’t see when idris-bot is showing the unit value vs. the unit type. < 1401907477 219172 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401907519 857936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( () < 1401907519 912524 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04() : 12() < 1401907551 862254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (.).(.) < 1401907551 917512 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of function 09Control.Category..: < 1401907551 917657 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't disambiguate name: Prelude.Basics.., Control.Category.. < 1401907599 161043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( with Basics ((.).(.)) < 1401907599 494734 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):0:0:Incomplete term (09.) 09. (09.) < 1401907606 378424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1401907610 784187 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boobs? < 1401907653 729302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c < 1401907985 127511 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (HVect [Type, (Type, Type), (Type, ()), ((), Type), ((),())]) [((),()),((),()),((),()),((),()),((),())] < 1401907985 189607 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04[12(12()12, 12()12)04, 04(12()04, 12()04)04, 04(12()04, 04()04)04, 04(04()04, 12()04)04, 04(04()04, 04()04)04] : 12HVect 04[12Type04, 12(12Type12, 12Type12)04, 12(12Type12, 12()12)04, 12(12()12, 12Type12)04, 12(12()12, 12()12)04] < 1401908179 940419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes < 1401908249 266304 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ty the < 1401908257 572820 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, I guess I can just do < 1401908259 827773 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the < 1401908260 188274 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09the : (13a : 12Type) -> 13a -> 13a < 1401908283 193233 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t the < 1401908283 247222 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.Basics.the : (13a : 12Type) -> 13a -> 13a < 1401908289 598418 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :doc the < 1401908289 656017 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09the : (13a : 12Type) -> (13x : 13a) -> 13a < 1401908289 656151 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Manually assign a type to an expression. < 1401908289 656241 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1401910038 5404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/uFF9LsFg spot the backdoor < 1401910086 108543 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible < 1401911694 724851 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401911707 269040 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401911907 796112 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1401912238 401205 :`^_^v!~nycs@ip-216-46-79-198.dsl.nyc.megapath.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401912241 582675 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401912847 356835 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Please explain. < 1401912890 409002 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to do with C deals with arrays in function parameters < 1401912896 539246 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., it doesn't :V < 1401912928 372852 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so master_key is just a uint8_t*. < 1401913040 444457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoiler: http://codepad.org/bDAlhNYy < 1401913072 701250 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, nice. < 1401913077 288456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it uses a (probably) 64-bit key, which is enough to seem secure, but not actually secure < 1401913080 291942 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1401913101 992993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's enough to be secure against casual attackers, even, but not against the NSA < 1401913115 374973 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So where was this code spotted? < 1401913132 346910 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know < 1401913142 13029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got it from someone on IRC who got it from someone on Twitter < 1401913186 903823 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was supposedly somebodys own code < 1401913200 599963 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a deliberate backdoor, just a dumb error < 1401913209 869432 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, they said they accidentally backdoored their own code < 1401913212 52395 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(presumably: if it was a backdoor you wouldn't tweet about it) < 1401913227 136086 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/aris_ada this individual < 1401913495 874004 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1401914643 308545 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401914734 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1401926715 215878 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: there are two forms of each item, the ears close a group, and can extract it anywhere). if you happen to check newer programs for compatibility with older compilers. < 1401926748 363639 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: only two? you lack imagination and mods. the Crack Pack is... it's... wooooah... < 1401926748 801190 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 5.2 line labels, an array element is the number of elements that that syntax corresponds to a set bit in :2 or not ( by specifying a line label, any `come from's or `next from's aiming at a command or file which has no effect, simply run `come from' aiming at a labeled statement, although to protect new intercal users c-intercal will look for `come from' behaviour, the expansion libraries < 1401926777 278030 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-85-179.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401927093 18099 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#esoteric :U+0AD0 GUJARATI OM \ UTF-8: e0 ab 90 UTF-16BE: 0ad0 Decimal: ૐ \ ૐ \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) < 1401928802 114133 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-36-196.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/abs/1403.7686 quantum neat thing possibly < 1401929254 291937 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I slightly tried the Crack Pack. haven't discovered its full potential yet. I was mainly overwhelmed by the Biomes o' Plenty. < 1401929279 483851 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm going to go to sleep first. my brains don't work correctly tonight. < 1401929290 964227 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CYCLING CHICKEN < 1401929648 402972 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401930333 346226 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1401930418 348748 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401930639 510940 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-36-196.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1401930733 270724 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-196-69.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401931988 290489 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401932595 885782 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401932868 321363 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401933014 883938 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems there aren't any expert systems for answering questions on the nature of expert systems. < 1401933064 620659 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yadclqogefwibeyx JOIN :#esoteric < 1401933231 877524 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401933261 46813 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-233-112.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401933306 616743 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-233-112.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401933396 35731 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401933442 692613 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401934374 141165 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, NodeJS 11 will have generators. I am now interested in learning NodeJS. < 1401934468 943808 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-196-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tragic. < 1401934781 603269 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are advantages to having to clearly indicate where any potential cooperative threading yields are < 1401934805 989629 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, generators are mutable in a way that continuations aren't, ick < 1401934943 284625 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-196-69.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401935075 602071 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401935563 407341 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a generating set for NodeJS? < 1401935601 386414 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401936064 205992 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :generating set? < 1401936243 549577 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Good thing we were forced to change our calling syntax to help us see the danger." < 1401936451 480865 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you know, a set that generates all elements through repeated application of the operation < 1401936628 528156 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :var generatingSet = ((function*(){yield 1; yield 2})()).next < 1401936630 492900 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1401936663 780144 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe not < 1401936738 158488 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda doubt there's a reasonable way to make a group out of node < 1401936776 435271 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://howtonode.org/generators-vs-fibers < 1401937361 707098 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat https://github.com/trevorlinton/webkit.js < 1401937436 488738 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401937596 944995 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do they generate? < 1401938207 506667 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDeam < 1401938529 289835 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://taskjs.org/ < 1401939086 579163 :mellifluous!~frait@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1401939097 94861 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: bye < 1401939433 193197 :MDeam!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that an odd coincidence, since I mentioned wanting something earlier that apparently amounted to cooperative mulitasking in javascript. < 1401939464 471499 :MDeam!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then it happens is a way that's possibly much better than what I was thinking. < 1401939487 673611 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDeam: yield and friends isn't available in most browsers. Welcome to callback hell. < 1401939509 336603 :MDeam!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. < 1401939518 696983 :MDeam!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I'll stick with making a silly tihng later. < 1401939549 268840 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Promises seem to be the popular way of coping < 1401939983 277479 :password2!~password@197.78.145.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401940301 576373 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401941110 861393 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think nodejs's stdlib looks interesting < 1401941262 694487 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :d d d d d d d d d d dd d d d d d d d < 1401942075 678366 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-233-112.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401942221 563863 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Quit: kwertii < 1401942363 665553 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401943407 607092 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401943686 816914 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT : < 1401944180 180656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1401945034 592560 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :npm looks really cool < 1401945074 93591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new agoran rule about signing your messages looks poised to be both hilarious and annoying. < 1401945084 498877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized it applies even to ##nomic. < 1401945145 578771 :password2!~password@197.78.145.173 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401945164 619303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, on rereading the rule, it probably doesn't. < 1401945295 371111 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can we kill off javascript once and forall? < 1401945363 726681 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :step one < 1401945380 690088 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stab everyone involved in making javascript < 1401945383 247186 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :step two < 1401945387 759011 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stab everyone involved in making HTML5 < 1401945392 136965 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :step three < 1401945419 822654 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. The person behind the Socket.IO chat demo is brain damaged < 1401945428 100853 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a new non shitty markup scripting language < 1401945431 939650 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :become the biggest mass murderer ever? < 1401945450 998174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: no one said it was going to be easy. < 1401945454 476804 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also kill all the PHP devs < 1401945457 863498 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The client sanitizes by putting input into a div and reading the HTML. It then sends it, server does no sanitation, and the result gets put into the display via .text() < 1401945464 781244 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1401945469 790367 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not^v: at this point it's probably easier to just wipe out all of humanity < 1401945470 766528 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :not^v, have you seen god bless america? < 1401945474 824146 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe not < 1401945481 670296 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : function cleanInput (input) { < 1401945481 724732 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : return $('
').text(input).text(); < 1401945481 724882 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1401945485 345199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Die bösen werden geschlachtet < 1401945516 764403 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin, true < 1401945527 843909 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we probably deserve it < 1401945529 494491 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets start the purge < 1401945530 753264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*B < 1401945540 503039 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone with an IQ lower than 200 dies < 1401945551 201019 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, the point of a demo is usually a basic test < 1401945612 949169 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :200, so that's like 6 SDs, so 1 in 506797346 survive < 1401945623 323907 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like... fourteen people or so < 1401945630 881175 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats an SD < 1401945636 487940 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :standard deviation < 1401945643 471280 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1401945646 520522 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :maff' < 1401945655 805862 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IQ has a mean of 100 and SD of 15. for example, my IQ is 97 < 1401945721 727440 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to who? < 1401945732 741859 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iunno. took a test once. < 1401945738 71500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone noticed lately that this channel is completely terrible? < 1401945742 131683 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, wдt < 1401945758 997503 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, an IQ of 97 is low < 1401945764 935123 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, you should retake it, you have a higher iq than that < 1401945781 378380 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fucking way you have below average IQ < 1401945787 92912 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(excluding america) < 1401945794 514721 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad news, i'm in america < 1401945799 14458 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "what makes you say that" < 1401945799 339946 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same < 1401945801 801078 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_> < 1401945807 628373 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the IQ average in america < 1401945812 775637 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :85 < 1401945814 603527 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1401945819 857925 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it uncomputable because of all the illegal immigrants < 1401945822 978616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god would you stop < 1401945823 612326 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world is 93 or something < 1401945832 932552 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeez < 1401945843 73424 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok yeah done being funny. < 1401945915 424879 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, usa is 98 now < 1401945960 260456 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IQ is a dumb as hell test and I hate living in this environment where sad joke death threats about programming languages are normal. < 1401945982 337377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PART :#esoteric < 1401946001 838315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : has anyone noticed lately that this channel is completely terrible? <-- _very_ lately, maybe. < 1401946037 670356 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +v :Bike > 1401946037 738114 NAMES :#esoteric < 1401946047 842198 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the voice of goddess < 1401946051 844228 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bow before me, peons < 1401946233 150632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you scared away kmc again < 1401946285 499319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not^v: look I've kicked you like once or twice already. can we not make me want to do it again in future < 1401946333 823865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that's my life advice to literally everyone < 1401946335 701145 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :socket.io looks... really, really easy to use < 1401946354 592900 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: socket.io is *great* for whacking out demos of neat things < 1401946364 120958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: literally literally? < 1401946367 858287 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuh uh, you haven't kicked me once or tw- no. wait, actually you have < 1401946379 40129 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: are you implying it's not great for anything more complex? What are its limitations? < 1401946389 262000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: literally. < 1401946395 227500 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... did not read that implication < 1401946427 565439 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The server is limited to a few hundred connections < 1401946440 337671 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik, I haven't used it in 2-3 years < 1401946450 545655 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: hmm. Found a Haskell library implementing the protocol < 1401946503 992919 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: is that just a server limitation or a protocol limitation < 1401946518 897647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow what's going on in this channel < 1401946520 568868 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Dunno; I haven't used it at scale. < 1401946541 275009 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My particular upcoming use case is ... not going to be for a community of hundreds of people < 1401946559 838368 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :everythings falling apart < 1401946569 519904 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1401946571 854574 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1401946573 631066 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you kicked me? < 1401946594 9700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not^v: yes. < 1401946597 635247 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont remember < 1401946611 883921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I must remember to make my kicks more memorable in future. < 1401946642 499753 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION poofs into ^v < 1401946645 600650 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:421:9786:bcb5:514 QUIT :Quit: *poof* < 1401946689 624189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can I +b an entire continent or something to make things more dramatic? < 1401946902 956066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not like we get any australians, south americans or africans to speak of. < 1401946917 25678 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time someone used and entire /24 range to spam an irc channel < 1401946921 608078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato is south african < 1401946926 614651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever name he goes by now < 1401946927 327978 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from peru < 1401946938 136232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear we've had a few australians. < 1401946939 953171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and when was he last here? i rest my case. < 1401946946 195132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fairly recently! < 1401946949 804111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :recent enough to have gotten into haskell < 1401946960 340827 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by /24 i mean /16 < 1401946963 8388 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need bed < 1401946992 536824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus was australian wasn't he < 1401946997 531084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. yeah. < 1401947000 809144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I *should* ban australia. < 1401947005 120079 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1401947005 141652 NAMES :#esoteric < 1401947010 722210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +b :*!*@*.aq > 1401947010 743595 NAMES :#esoteric < 1401947013 47011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1401947013 68663 NAMES :#esoteric < 1401947021 208203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we can all agree on that. < 1401947025 535009 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel lied to < 1401947037 582187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference? < 1401947043 790654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're both big desert continents nobody cares about < 1401947058 974010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :No penguins allowed | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1401947244 256726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Australian government uses the .aq domain for its official site for the uninhabited Heard Island and McDonald Islands, "heardisland.aq". .hm, the TLD assigned to Heard and McDonald Islands, has instead been transferred to a private registry and opened for general registration." < 1401947387 510414 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what are the results of that survey? < 1401947419 757169 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i gtg bed < 1401947461 921082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote It seems there aren't any expert systems for answering questions on the nature of expert systems. < 1401947463 408882 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1202) It seems there aren't any expert systems for answering questions on the nature of expert systems. < 1401947495 372866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: don't ask me < 1401947519 453179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ^v don't ask me < 1401947519 598087 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1401947519 929896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Should there be a standardized way of embedding comments? 1. Yes, /* and */ (C++ Style)" good grief, and this calls itself a survey about brainfuck < 1401947532 514730 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1401947561 360619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well it's a survey about creating a brainfuck standard hth < 1401947571 92354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What should EOF return? (What happens on EOF) [...] Move one cell to the right" < 1401947576 707654 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :last programming language i wrote used for comments < 1401947581 937476 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, its, hilarious < 1401947585 596317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: by brainfuck standard, you mean most pointless brainfuck dialect yet? < 1401947655 390990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: may i suggest reading that when you're in the mood for some silly fun instead twh hth < 1401947686 94557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you think esoteric programming languages are the place for silly fun? < 1401947751 73181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: um that's html... < 1401947768 828792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i know it sounds absurd when you put it that way. < 1401947800 340250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fowl wrote the HTML specification < 1401947818 969224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. one of the people we should kill then. < 1401947843 58575 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, i know, html comments inside a programming language, doesnt that make you want to punch a kitten? < 1401947878 735842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisingly, no. unless the kitten is otherwise very annoying. < 1401947892 73978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, being driven to violent thoughts by programming isn't normal or a good thing. < 1401947918 886029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought this was obvious but apparently this channel has believed otherwise twice in an hour. < 1401947958 954426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah calm down with a http://esolangs.org/wiki/Snack < 1401948089 598682 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, i dont think it is programming that drives me to these thoughts, they just bubble up in a programming context < 1401948095 989332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: psst i was joking because fowl _started_ the previous discussion. < 1401948111 815553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was responding to fowl, not you. < 1401948132 531041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: ok, I agree you have deeper issues then :p < 1401948146 529373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fowl mind < 1401948160 442609 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a tiny brain, dinosaur scale, and a cloaca, you know what that is? its all your parts in one. its a nightmare. < 1401948242 654664 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing that gets me through the day is thought of landing an aerial strike on one of you or your cars < 1401948285 659521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_cloaca cool, you can get born with a cloaca < 1401948348 389960 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1401948707 315996 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :birds are fairly peaceful < 1401951820 778138 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Onecode (GermanyBoy)14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39748&oldid=39746 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-5) 10/* Hello world */ < 1401951833 616904 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-ncsimigjqhxafdok QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401952145 94614 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Twocode14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39749&oldid=39747 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-1) 10/* Factorial */ < 1401952191 149097 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 PART :#esoteric < 1401952579 358022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401952591 58428 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PART :#esoteric < 1401953486 426784 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-zdxdbnbmqicjhpnb JOIN :#esoteric < 1401953602 171417 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1401954234 107449 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401954685 643441 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yadclqogefwibeyx QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1401956946 790455 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you have one, can you lay eggs from it? < 1401957631 9037 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly does regex-compat use? < 1401957643 680272 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem like it uses pcre nor posix < 1401957669 345142 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what programming language? < 1401957715 504827 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell < 1401957728 718656 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Hackage description: One module layer over regex-posix to replace Text.Regex < 1401957740 282494 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Hackage dependencies: …, regex-posix (>= 0.95.1) < 1401957763 538490 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first paragraph in the Haddock: Regular expression matching. Uses the POSIX regular expression interface in Text.Regex.Posix. < 1401957771 222080 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Text.Regex> matchRegexAll (mkRegex "([:digit:]*)") "127" < 1401957771 648508 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ("","","127",[""]) < 1401957784 24400 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[:digit:]] < 1401957795 748062 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1401957812 975358 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1401957890 938118 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: thx < 1401961415 883107 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401961621 895310 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit < 1401963366 420736 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401963536 502269 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no penguins allowed? but penguins are the most bestest cutest birds evar! < 1401963971 515620 :nooodl!~nooodl@217.111-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401963986 981018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: sorry, it was elliott's decision < 1401964100 111313 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401964103 620209 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY? < 1401966112 8000 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY < 1401966766 485507 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401967146 97374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1401967193 147889 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1401967439 38911 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no penguins, dood? < 1401967826 54595 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401969790 449042 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401970243 695060 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1401970342 543644 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401970716 648930 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401971060 11034 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401971391 579514 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401971560 552101 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401972150 631988 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401972586 284985 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401972586 377876 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401973018 376570 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401973412 507590 :mellifluous!~frait@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401974187 751131 :mellifluous!~frait@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1401974305 506823 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401974520 837044 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.198.49 QUIT :Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) < 1401974728 207153 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.198.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401974823 646304 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401976037 890262 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1401976784 311182 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401978573 247748 :sign!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h QUIT :Quit: Here we are, going far to save all that we love - If we give all we've got, we will make it through - Here we are, like a star shining bright on your world - Today, make evil go away! < 1401978595 980806 :sign!nyuszika7h@gateway/shell/cadoth.net/x-bhghkvrzgisuksay JOIN :#esoteric < 1401978618 855518 :sign!nyuszika7h@gateway/shell/cadoth.net/x-bhghkvrzgisuksay QUIT :Changing host < 1401978619 20656 :sign!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h JOIN :#esoteric < 1401979091 885462 :Bobby_!~Buddy_@27.19.165.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401979214 698218 :Bobby_!~Buddy_@27.19.165.250 QUIT :Client Quit < 1401979363 367902 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:f40c:4c1b:44fb:cea6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401979563 526152 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401980352 604440 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401981663 580065 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zuyiralwkqgejmpn JOIN :#esoteric < 1401982490 741338 :hubs!hubs@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe69:46d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401982622 720443 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401982762 402988 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401982913 29772 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/seutje < 1401983649 336584 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401983655 345825 :MDeam!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1401983717 122796 :nooodl!~nooodl@217.111-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you want, you can specify a longer banner width (gitbanner -w X ...). Any width longer than 52 will be cut off on Github, but the banner will be slowly revealed as the weeks go by." < 1401983721 214713 :nooodl!~nooodl@217.111-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1401983771 458160 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401983786 256573 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch :) < 1401984053 358488 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401984108 592566 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401984893 538944 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401984945 565034 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401986299 99017 :smooki!~smooki@unaffiliated/smooki JOIN :#esoteric < 1401986326 910344 :smooki!~smooki@unaffiliated/smooki QUIT :Client Quit < 1401986402 444328 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-233-112.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401986972 365491 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-zdxdbnbmqicjhpnb QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1401987070 600858 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:f40c:4c1b:44fb:cea6 NICK :^v < 1401987279 90670 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:f40c:4c1b:44fb:cea6 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1401988289 750193 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-uwvsuvnodwnvvhkv JOIN :#esoteric < 1401988586 601458 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401988775 738043 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401988917 82478 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401988975 580281 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, for the second time this term my exam's had an incorrect question < 1401988992 544259 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401989438 402738 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401989732 872674 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401989763 280350 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401989905 131255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1401989961 411209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice timing, i got back the same minute the thunderweather started < 1401990643 923843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I do not have a cloaca. < 1401990838 982942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1401991012 454296 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401991092 776294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE mihow < 1401991093 596542 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MiHoW: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: . (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.) < 1401991117 395092 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks! hi < 1401991148 649531 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is that bot written in? < 1401991169 865322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo runs (nearly) arbitrary linux commands < 1401991210 541283 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. I see some potential for an esoteric language there. < 1401991226 743227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now _fungot_ on the other hand... < 1401991226 901614 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in intercal, programs other than the more of these contexts. the resulting threads backtrack; this is an expression is placed on a system not based on unix and linux systems and versions are also marked `volatile'. < 1401991233 228060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1401991233 282129 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1401991281 810256 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice! < 1401991331 59919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and EgoBot is the bot with a lot of esolang interpreters. (in principle HackEgo has copies of them, but the setup isn't quite working) < 1401991345 526780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unlambda ``.h.ii < 1401991347 760036 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1401991410 418266 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh interesting. is HackEgo in github? < 1401991411 634323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are a number of other bots which aren't so eso-related. < 1401991418 107846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i think so. < 1401991424 58778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1401991424 323564 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1401991439 362719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it has its own webpage < 1401991442 933848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? HackEgo < 1401991443 730420 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. < 1401991458 84725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think the underlying code is somewhere like github < 1401991477 296471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some of it is shared with EgoBot < 1401991485 707322 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unlambda ` `.t.est < 1401991486 90498 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :te < 1401991506 514496 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unlambda ` `.t.e.s.t < 1401991506 864081 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :te < 1401991564 371182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mihow: you need 1 less ` than other functions (where .x counts as one function) < 1401991602 212930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^wiki unlambda < 1401991602 325829 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/unlambda < 1401991629 827480 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401991688 8511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: nice github picture < 1401991715 557823 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unlambda `.ix < 1401991716 60033 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​./interps/unlambda/unlambda.bin: file /tmp/input.20501: parse error < 1401991722 839431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mihow: https://github.com/GregorR/hackbot < 1401991736 690898 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, okay i’ll practive outside of irc < 1401991743 366342 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :practice < 1401991765 687868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :x isn't one of the unlambda functions :) < 1401991784 780096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mihow: you can ask EgoBot in private too < 1401991786 675322 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that’s where the argument goes < 1401991828 295140 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unlambda `r`.!`.d`.l`.r`.o`.w`. `.o`.l`.l`.e`.Hi < 1401991828 630504 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello world! < 1401991834 686929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an unlambda expression is either one of the builtin functions or ` followed by two expressions. < 1401991888 186426 :skarn!skarn@binary.firrre.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401991894 304259 :skarn!skarn@binary.firrre.com NICK :Guest39776 < 1401992030 297763 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unlambda `.k`.n`.i`.o`.Bi < 1401992030 653134 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boink < 1401992058 266669 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jawohl < 1401992144 543074 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:f40c:4c1b:44fb:cea6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401992145 717948 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay back to work, thanks for the help oerjan & int-e. I lookforward to playing with hackbot < 1401992159 404241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you < 1401992161 201598 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unlambda `````.H.l`.e. ``.l.,`.o.!```.s.u`.h.e``.f.l`.fri < 1401992161 639610 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, shuffle! < 1401992231 501530 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401992237 322442 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's fun to take a binary tree of with identities at the leaves and work out the evaluation order) < 1401992293 503553 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the next level is to sprinkle some `d in there. < 1401992636 478791 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401992649 83242 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1401992823 88611 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401993129 671777 :password2!~password@197.78.152.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401994276 630077 :Guest39776!skarn@binary.firrre.com QUIT :Changing host < 1401994276 721735 :Guest39776!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1401994296 613559 :Guest39776!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn NICK :skarn < 1401995218 840926 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-233-112.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401995291 392015 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401995315 424854 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401995367 594883 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-233-112.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401995919 549426 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401996018 515184 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401997034 28686 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARST ARSW: Star Wars sorted alphabetically http://youtu.be/5GFW-eEWXlc < 1401997155 949200 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1401997849 798888 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is there only 43m of dialogue in star wars? < 1401997927 915133 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:f40c:4c1b:44fb:cea6 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1401997931 912635 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems believablwe < 1401998053 282137 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'd like it by frequency < 1401998080 43084 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401998227 783549 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kenobi occurs twice as often as jedi < 1401999515 322321 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1401999678 429447 :password2!~password@197.78.152.97 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401999770 513951 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401999954 242328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The channel for CDOP Star Wars watching | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1402001515 578830 :mellifluous!~frait@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402001655 392219 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402002366 547939 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402002366 643166 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402003467 548515 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402004817 813857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402005025 568722 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402006062 786857 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1402006530 625047 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1402007145 323198 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems legit. http://imgur.com/gallery/4nnbyru < 1402007189 29387 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. < 1402007210 601584 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bump at 100 too, weird < 1402008111 512798 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :small bump at 0 too < 1402008127 173121 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402008134 192742 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because it clips off either end of the bell curve and dumps those people into those two buckets < 1402008174 926778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect 0 to be entirely people who didn't answer any questions or something < 1402008185 893090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of impressive to be perfectly wrong < 1402008263 232742 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but the bell curve is still there at 1 and 2 < 1402008274 726639 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's just as ridiculous to get only one question right < 1402008293 237368 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which— wait i already complained about < 1402008294 498543 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1402008301 589358 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noted < 1402008312 445193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I mean is that there are plenty of people who would get scores above 0% but choose not to. < 1402008323 239586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't think it's just clipping off the bell curve < 1402008393 221077 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, but i mean wouldn't you expect that there'd be a bigger number of people getting 0 than 100 then? < 1402008419 902323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the jump at 0 is a lot smaller than the one at 100 < 1402008437 38856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheating might inflate 100%, too :P < 1402008594 901331 :nooodl!~nooodl@217.111-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1402008677 654066 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1402008696 678263 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, 0 could be "not turned up" < 1402008732 746741 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :though then I'd expect it to be a lot bigger < 1402008734 179092 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, that would probably mean way more people would get 0 than 1 < 1402008747 447926 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas it's actually only about twice as much < 1402008757 443964 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't actually know where this data is coming from < 1402008779 790597 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the grand reddit tradition, there is no source. < 1402008790 315587 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402008801 764108 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION afk grass mowing < 1402008822 648602 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1402009510 597204 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402009655 658862 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric < 1402009664 636137 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/28c6e42e < 1402009773 131939 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1402011237 864272 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402011418 246493 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402011623 449265 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, are Chrome extensions not allowed to abuse the Javascript on pages? < 1402011670 91344 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be possibly interesting to, say, write a disabler that does something like HTMLCanvasNode.prototype.getContext = function(){}; < 1402012361 494996 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402012897 902523 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402012929 66361 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402013968 219925 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402014130 718408 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.spawn(function*(){console.log("Hello"); yield sleep(1000); console.log("Goodbye");}); < 1402014135 163137 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(untested) < 1402014141 411212 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... looks almost livable < 1402014209 892682 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is livability < 1402014326 398466 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402014639 397491 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an interesting thought: The Node.JS ecosystem seems somewhat fragmented when it comes to promises... but it really doesn't matter because there's a standard Node.JS style, and practically all promise libraries seem to offer conversions to and from it, so fragmentation probably doesn't cause significant problems, the way streaming libraries in Haskell could cause problems and reluctance to use them anywhere except at the application < 1402014639 453106 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :level < 1402014772 412956 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1402015745 277624 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-233-112.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402015794 84884 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-233-112.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402016764 164873 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :Quit: "I can hear myself... I think I'm a bit afraid." < 1402017125 170816 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1402018281 238104 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-169.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402018363 807426 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-18.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402018712 527575 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-18.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402018798 456513 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-62-100.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402019366 447672 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-62-100.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1402019479 64232 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-95-73.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402020959 301018 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1402022118 328305 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402022997 691205 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1402025442 711492 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dogeon.org/ < 1402025866 67229 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-BhAP_yFe8oc/U1GovyKPkyI/AAAAAAAAA5c/P4zl6_P9v2o/w2560-h1920-no/14+-+1 < 1402026257 648089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402026289 132388 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ my lint plugin thingy is working! https://gist.github.com/kmcallister/3409ece44ead6d280b8e < 1402026489 215583 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402026622 876415 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you have any thoughts on my ecosystem fragmentation thoughts? < 1402026670 589208 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: custom linter? < 1402026689 597317 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i did not see such thoughts, nor did I think them < 1402026699 617133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah, rustc will soon support custom lint plugins < 1402026714 37726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the draft spec (such as it is) https://github.com/kmcallister/rfcs/blob/lints/active/0000-loadable-lints.md < 1402026714 501435 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: neat < 1402026719 839479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :has some motivating use cases < 1402026733 369905 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Loadable lints produce more coupling of user code to rustc internals (with no official stability guarantee, of course).' < 1402026748 805919 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, is Rust about to become yet another language primarily defined by its implementation? < 1402026786 108086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe, but I think these lint plugins are more part of the implementation than part of the language < 1402026790 234259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang and gcc also support plugins < 1402026791 708487 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402026825 862578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say Rust has become yet another language where you have to enable a bunch of "extensions" to do anything fun < 1402026827 221891 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people use GHC-specific things these days, people may end up using a lot of rustc-specific things < 1402026845 933730 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: huh, in that regard, only Haskell comes to mind < 1402026849 205046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case the extensions are less about deviating from the standard (because there isn't one) and more about using things we don't want to support from 1.0 to the end of time < 1402026871 120437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Linux kernel uses a bajillion GNU C extensions < 1402026877 542692 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1402026887 127372 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that familiar with C or Linux kernel, sadly < 1402026889 77592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in JS it's pretty common too (or, you compile the extensions away, which is pretty much the same) < 1402026889 348156 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn < 1402026892 328124 :mellifluous!~frait@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402026899 689403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: another time I can talk your ear off about craaaazy Linux GNU C tricks < 1402026918 643127 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think Javascript's different. At least when you compile them away, the result should still hopefully run on several different JS runtimes < 1402026938 366519 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sounds interesting < 1402026941 969708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: anyway I can say that the Rust team is serious about standardizing Rust, but that'll come later, once it's more stable < 1402027225 331990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: lint plugins have access to the typechecker, so they can do things that external syntactic analysis can't do easily < 1402027234 675726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with marginal extra compile time < 1402027236 696000 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: neat! < 1402027254 367550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow I guess I should make some compelling demos. and tests, gotta have tests < 1402027267 354272 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could I effectively write my own typesystem as long as it's stricter than the native one? < 1402027281 580322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can certainly do some things like that < 1402027290 370293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for Servo we want to forbid certain types from appearing except in certain structs < 1402027937 215328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1402027945 349155 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13dimecoin 04impercoin 07pavitcoin 08degunfrabcoin 09bchacoin 02evilcoin 06worsecoin 13rocrcoin 04gritumcoin 07standrafcoin 08returncoin 09vencoin 02grasscoin 06sansiscoin 13evptcoin 04liberecoin 07ozoicecoin 08mousecoin 09salcoin 02redisortoicoin < 1402028262 594327 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1402031865 15064 JOIN :#esoteric > 1402031865 530606 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402031916 398400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: all multithreaded C programs are using serious language extensions, in the sense that the spec doesn't assign any semantics to concurrency (before C11 that is) < 1402031972 783703 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-95-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :semantics shmemantics < 1402032083 539757 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032136 329039 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402032277 723046 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402032341 743900 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032392 263461 :skarn!skarn@binary.firrre.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032392 505499 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032392 505708 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN 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:Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One often made mistake is to use closures inside of loops, as if they were copying the value of the loop's index variable." < 1402032704 968249 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( >:( < 1402032746 291560 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-95-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand why people think there should obviously be a new binding every time < 1402032823 296834 :skarn!skarn@binary.firrre.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032823 911902 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032823 912045 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032823 912113 :hubs!hubs@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe69:46d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032823 912179 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.198.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032823 912244 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032823 912308 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032823 912372 :nortti!nortti@109.74.197.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032823 912435 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032823 912504 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032823 912567 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032823 912631 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032823 912695 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032823 912760 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032823 912824 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032823 912887 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032823 912950 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032823 913013 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uccykrdyqknfxinm JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032823 913078 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032823 913141 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032823 913205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032823 913269 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032823 913334 :Speed`!~Speed@evile.thrash.im JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032823 913396 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402032884 651799 :skarn!skarn@binary.firrre.com NICK :Guest99438 < 1402032970 161758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402033442 196870 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The specification gives exactly one way of accessing the [[Class]] value, with the use of Object.prototype.toString." < 1402033557 853603 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Quit: kwertii < 1402033682 504685 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The automatic insertion of semicolon is considered to be one of biggest design flaws in the language because it can change the behavior of code." < 1402033695 718777 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :npm's style guide says to only use semicolons in specific circumstances < 1402033731 1064 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.npmjs.org/doc/coding-style.html#Semicolons < 1402033966 932205 :mellifluous!~frait@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402034007 639453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : <-- i have this small urge to tell all the "label your axes" commenters that they would have failed the test. (fortunately i have no imgur account.) < 1402034011 48419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1402034014 521336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/28c6e42e <-- i have this small urge to tell all the "label your axes" commenters that they would have failed the test. (fortunately i have no imgur account.) < 1402034029 626358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1402034047 980816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i paste the wrong quote. < 1402034081 214302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Seems legit. http://imgur.com/gallery/4nnbyru <-- i have this small urge to tell all the "label your axes" commenters that they would have failed the test. (fortunately i have no imgur account.) < 1402034093 542945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT WILL DO IT < 1402034102 250774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets 29 points for effort < 1402034171 359326 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1402034209 366568 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the Catholic Diocese of Peoria Star Wars watching? < 1402034246 166114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: CDOP is like OCPD, but with the letters in the proper order. it is actually relevant in this case. < 1402034367 364042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://youtu.be/5GFW-eEWXlc) < 1402034404 344865 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL: OCPD < 1402034413 853470 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew OCD < 1402034507 609904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically if you think you have OCD but aren't completely weird, you probably have OCPD instead. < 1402034541 916014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(above message completely failing at detangling wrong stereotypes) < 1402035550 282806 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402035744 584393 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-233-112.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402036001 532372 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402036124 239606 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402036235 318801 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1402037134 677065 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"child death overview panel" is a creepy name for an institution < 1402037189 284378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure they have a creepy job too hth < 1402037371 990396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what if I am completely weird, but in ways that probably aren't related? < 1402037448 385778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: NOPE. ZERO ON THE FINAL. < 1402037454 959951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1402037466 686020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that polish one hth < 1402037488 829053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a polish final? i'd probably get zero anyway < 1402037556 876753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my next joke is ruined by zero actually being zero in polish < 1402037806 994609 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, most of the time when you say hth, i dont believe you really hope that helps < 1402037859 819937 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? twh < 1402037860 561621 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :twh would help, but is an hth derivative. hth. twh. hand. < 1402037883 834759 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1402037899 548426 :password2!~password@197.78.148.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402037963 192083 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most schools will tend to not give students pass-1 marks < 1402038034 181671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: you may be starting to get it hth < 1402038134 159290 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: it's a bit more subtle. "hope that helps [but it would surprise me if it did]" < 1402038211 840363 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or perhaps that's just my own reading) < 1402038217 562665 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1402038270 299854 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three letters can express so much! (And "twh" is worse because it could also stand for "that won't help") < 1402038411 537913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :would probably stick an n in there in that case < 1402038456 596412 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might help (tmh? hmm.) < 1402038521 513883 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :twh is more optimistic. (wth?) < 1402038932 815842 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh! http://www.dontstarvegame.com/blog/dont-starve-together-multiplayer-officially-coming-summer-2014 < 1402039720 350980 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT : < 1402039790 138033 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402041643 223905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff ie11 refuses to open tunes.org logs as text < 1402042471 530913 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure "wth" stands for "what the hell", or did last I saw it used anyway < 1402042561 115928 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the hand < 1402042569 517796 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wither the heart < 1402042586 494859 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whittle to hear < 1402042605 818740 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wang the hooha < 1402042631 141646 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be many things < 1402042737 557857 :password2!~password@197.78.148.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402042921 133196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lynx has a black background, and no simple way to choose a humane coloring style :( < 1402043027 987062 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402043068 515019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we are in the end times. absolutely everything in the world is gradually getting annoying to use. < 1402043144 891288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you use wget as a pipe? < 1402043159 754739 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you are just getting old < 1402043165 937458 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yelling at kids running on your lawn < 1402043171 796837 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DADBURN YONGUNS < 1402043175 586062 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN MY DAYS < 1402043176 260493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats slereah_ -----### < 1402043177 301892 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grumble < 1402043194 635180 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw Xchat doesn't have a trout command :( < 1402043214 610212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yoerjan < 1402043234 218771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah_: you'll not be laughing when you realize this is all a plot by the new world order to drive us insane hth < 1402043246 894658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you disable the hth disabler < 1402043256 633535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no just circumventing hth < 1402043270 510221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should just disable it hth < 1402043271 926481 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode th < 1402043272 622678 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0074 LATIN SMALL LETTER T] [U+0068 LATIN SMALL LETTER H] < 1402043282 717520 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glares at slereah_  < 1402043288 450744 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the current arc in Gunnerkrigg Court < 1402043297 712717 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps trout with himself < 1402043308 492400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: my trick leaves no trace in the output. < 1402043311 945329 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps slereah_ with a giant squid < 1402043314 704944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode θ < 1402043315 384607 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+03B8 GREEK SMALL LETTER THETA] < 1402043319 139012 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 𓀀 < 1402043320 36309 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+13000 EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH A001 \ UTF-8: f0 93 80 80 UTF-16BE: d80cdc00 Decimal: 𓀀 \ 𓀀 \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) < 1402043331 466799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hθ < 1402043333 370478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hþ? < 1402043348 633657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other day at dinner I told a bunch of people (including a CSS working group member) about good old U+A66E < 1402043379 226537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: isn't it rad when people denote days of the week by M T W Θ F? < 1402043418 10474 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the limeric, again? < 1402043430 802882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "Jason D. Jfmamj" is a good fake name < 1402043433 546788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah stackexchange helpfully suggests -O - < 1402043434 46807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :S M T W Θ F Ϡ < 1402043443 447029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can say it's Welsh or something < 1402043443 869963 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a bit sad that Klingon was rejected from Unicode < 1402043451 770555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah_: yeah, that came up too < 1402043463 412267 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402043467 358667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said that Unicode was only for very serious characters like PILE OF POO and SMILING CAT FACE < 1402043471 816869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told someone about U+A66E the other day too < 1402043488 302709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Ϡ < 1402043488 727217 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well Klingons do not have japanese cellphone company money < 1402043488 932013 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+03E0 GREEK LETTER SAMPI] < 1402043497 558329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sampiday? < 1402043501 131561 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode  < 1402043502 11773 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+F8DF - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: ef a3 9f UTF-16BE: f8df Decimal:  \  () \ Uppercase: U+F8DF \ Category: Co (Other, Private Use) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) < 1402043504 707263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode U+A66E < 1402043505 387126 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ꙮ < 1402043513 466776 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo : STOP IT D: < 1402043516 575328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꙮ < 1402043517 278012 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O] < 1402043518 823214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ꙮ < 1402043519 617447 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAH < 1402043519 817111 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O \ UTF-8: ea 99 ae UTF-16BE: a66e Decimal: ꙮ \ ꙮ \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) < 1402043523 631865 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst letter < 1402043525 654995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: unidecode should be called icode hth < 1402043535 210723 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the spookiest letter of unicode < 1402043544 805602 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I say this after looking at the Mayan unicode section < 1402043557 850946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s unidecode bin/icode < 1402043559 274763 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1402043564 804613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote 1140 # Taneb < 1402043565 519115 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1140) A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric." < 1402043570 258744 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, thanks < 1402043579 771063 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however this is an inaccurate limerick < 1402043584 946737 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ꙮ is Letter, Other < 1402043611 650440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost as bad as that other limerick which makes dubious anatomical claims about the man from nantucket < 1402043637 27210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a failure of a limerick < 1402043643 486745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll strive for maximal accuracy in the future < 1402043661 808721 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "autofellatio" works in a double dactyl < 1402043677 139675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's never actually saying that ꙮ isn't alphanumeric, though. < 1402043685 545806 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so < 1402043697 628250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.wordnik.com/lists/double-dactyl-words < 1402043703 246215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, given that it uses ꙮ, it's giving good evidence for the opposite < 1402043717 47940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's contrasting prose with poetry < 1402043720 265340 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, only if you are Swedish < 1402043730 468244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you remember the original context < 1402043736 914174 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, not really < 1402043746 954874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also wrote a limerick < 1402043749 904930 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1402043753 323040 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to write one now < 1402043774 220838 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.wordnik.com/lists/double-dactyls < 1402043776 423246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꙮhth < 1402043777 131249 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O] [U+0068 LATIN SMALL LETTER H] [U+0074 LATIN SMALL LETTER T] [U+0068 LATIN SMALL LETTER H] < 1402043778 138525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef//logs/esoteric/13.06.05 < 1402043797 994880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1402043806 300772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file bin/icode < 1402043806 867100 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/icode: symbolic link to `unidecode' < 1402043811 182510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode ꙮ hth < 1402043812 313657 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+0068 LATIN SMALL LETTER H] [U+0074 LATIN SMALL LETTER T] [U+0068 LATIN SMALL LETTER H] < 1402043812 520089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm both "heterosexual" and "autofellatio" work as double dactyl words < 1402043837 913770 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... am both proud and disappointed at my limerick ability < 1402043907 646927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i am both proud and disappointed at my autofellatio ability" < 1402043913 352632 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay enough kmc.jerkcity.moed < 1402043943 783127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꙮerjan < 1402043944 415289 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] [U+0072 LATIN SMALL LETTER R] [U+006A LATIN SMALL LETTER J] [U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A] [U+006E LATIN SMALL LETTER N] < 1402043968 506297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :many-eyed seraphꙮerjan < 1402044003 830491 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a young man in York / Who read about Ankh-Morpork / "Discworld", he said / "Up with I am fed" / And instead watched Mindy and Mork < 1402044011 832840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :The channel for CDOP Star Wars watching | AVOID SPIKES | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1402044047 53108 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙩꙫꙭꙮ < 1402044171 374907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode ꙩꙫꙭꙮ < 1402044171 980803 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A669 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER MONOCULAR O] [U+A66B CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER BINOCULAR O] [U+A66D CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER DOUBLE MONOCULAR O] [U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O] < 1402044184 551451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitꙮsis < 1402044196 367738 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is how babies are made < 1402044207 394057 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: I am not watching Mindy and Mork, or, indeed, the more exist-y Mork and Mindy) < 1402044220 877738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> zzz < 1402044261 13675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you gotta get the meter :'( < 1402044291 536787 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it scans for me? < 1402044297 912033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? < 1402044333 716877 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I put on an RP accent < 1402044333 916911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, perhaps we have different ideas of a limerick < 1402044375 514023 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402044383 769578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it works < 1402044392 504741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't help that i don't know how to prononuce a bunch of words < 1402044481 58966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you annotate your emphasis < 1402044490 469851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you expect of a limerick < 1402044501 99004 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a very loose definition of limerick < 1402044539 358935 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Line 4 comes out sounding quite rushed < 1402044654 476793 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's dactylic < 1402044743 827309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i think most of your lines have one syllable less than is acceptable < 1402044810 385205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe not most. but definitely the third and fourth. < 1402044850 902928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the first, second, and fifth < 1402044870 25151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the first is acceptable variation < 1402044940 414277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh actually not the fourth either, it's just bad < 1402044946 235068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps "morpork" is pronounced with emphasis on the second syllable and not the first < 1402044960 535566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that needs to be assumed. < 1402044973 13149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this actually the case < 1402045007 539402 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can email people a recording of a reading maybe < 1402045069 227005 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want an email of me reading this limerick, pm me your address before 10:05 BST < 1402045089 737742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :email is not optimal < 1402045162 824368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i've heard "morpork" pronounced in _Discworld_ the computer game < 1402045175 304714 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1402045200 819608 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I recorded it on my phone < 1402045213 285910 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could BlueTooth it to you, if you're within 30 meters < 1402045223 807994 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I mayswell just find you and read it to you < 1402045284 296988 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on a second < 1402045345 915706 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could send it THROUGH IRC < 1402045380 85450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc is not v. convenient < 1402045381 188429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1402045507 243970 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screw you guys I think this is poetic genius < 1402045724 597012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm writing a limerick but i can't finish the last line `h̀elṕ´ < 1402045738 448222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any of the other ones, actually < 1402045829 877826 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was once a Finn in CA / Who wrote a limerick one day / But trouble he had / That made him quite mad / No I can't finish this one either < 1402045848 543109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a limerick's never been written / by those who reside in great britain; / as a parting good-bye wish, / their old pals, the irish, / decided: infringers get smitten! < 1402045858 301642 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There once was a man from Madrass < 1402045864 905668 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whose balls were made of fine brass! < 1402045870 685873 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in stormy beather < 1402045873 779033 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weather* < 1402045878 740905 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They both clanged together! < 1402045884 503120 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, wasn't Edward Lear from Britain? < 1402045885 347891 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sparks came out of his ass! < 1402045885 720355 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zuyiralwkqgejmpn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1402045895 805676 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the Leprechaun movies taught me a lot) < 1402045926 315178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: and his limericks were generally utter scow < 1402045941 462553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first line and the last line ending with the same word < 1402045951 781789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sort of humor or story or flavour or anything < 1402045963 213776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i half-ued my sentence < 1402046000 620977 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filthy trans-atlantic scum < 1402046077 702938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mr. lear's limericks are like stories that go nowhere < 1402046088 8049 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's true < 1402046103 203914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :barely rhyme or reason to them < 1402046163 774334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the first quotation in http://www.poemhunter.com/edward-lear/ < 1402046178 51204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I looked it up and it looks like the ellipsis isn't part of the original poem. < 1402046183 984919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a very good ending. < 1402046230 337665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calico Pie, / The little Birds fly / Down to the Calico tree, / Their wings were blue, / And they sang "Tilly-loo!" / Till away they flew— / And they never came back... < 1402046328 411970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A big improvement over the original, it turns out. < 1402046514 193297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? atriq < 1402046514 914803 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq or two < 1402046590 468950 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngevd < 1402046591 202276 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Eg˚Nf2<ܩX].)͂jU.gm0&u-CAtު)oI+sLMႍG竹HGF.[ Ό_4ˌSf=}*}ܿ[ žG9L\-‚]&D<Y4wi_ܫ+'`kbzK.ɵ8hbtqR[)QhOh%9<. %Ýi-"n.m.꫟Ꮬ褝w&ˆ!d*xAY_&oGHZ5h |\v# \ !S \ R < 1402046603 110615 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :segmentation fault. < 1402046612 476716 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngevd < 1402046613 183022 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​=7l!jh]i il+b -56jC7d!Bm}Λcp!MMo?.J w#F|@/4"I_ʣ7*yO3TjbY>qEygC |tXU .L}v_H1UtpoP2afbo\.) vU}Pũ¥@z`3>&s-KoLgzј>K}`ZBDsɐwPH2l:°z4mZ.v1`0z6fOqC|do.b \ *_ƧlPᚲ!UX U^ \ kGSl < 1402046624 172857 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo < wisdom/ngevd < 1402046624 743685 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1402046629 642172 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nooo my segmentation ;w; < 1402046632 491985 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat wisdom/ngevd < 1402046633 84499 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngevd is a fake wisdom entry. `? ngevd is special-cased in bin/?. leave this file alone Phantom_Hoover‼ < 1402046668 117032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :¡leave this file alone! < 1402046756 890883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1402046757 560800 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a lying Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. < 1402046768 646819 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is empty = forever (return ()); ( b = run a and b concurrently and kill the one that finishes last < 1402046817 423129 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A valid definition for an Alternative instance for IO? < 1402046821 863322 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys let's make an APL clone with unicode as a character set < 1402046829 784745 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will have ALL THE INSTRUCTIONS < 1402046838 569418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/a lying/an antediluvian/' wisdom/oerjan < 1402046840 37169 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1402046845 467365 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh I think APL is an APL clone with (a subset of) unicode as a character set < 1402046853 904556 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No subset! < 1402046858 266269 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL THE CHARACTERS < 1402046876 288189 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the private-use characters < 1402046878 60373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I don't know, what are the laws? < 1402046878 299702 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1402046885 721179 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, essentially the monoid laws < 1402046887 923583 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the existing characters < 1402046892 177910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's it? < 1402046901 279330 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah :( < 1402046903 116052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No "distributes over Applicative operators" or anything? < 1402046909 479051 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing documented < 1402046922 327420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a scow < 1402046934 412794 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what the egyptian penis hieroglyph would be < 1402046943 270948 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know: An Alternative is a monoid in the category of endofunctors? < 1402046964 399062 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor? I hardly know her < 1402047289 280984 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1402047395 784870 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39750&oldid=39548 5* 0392.16.148.172 5* (+155) 10/* Computing components */ < 1402047397 248330 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402049290 179303 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402050770 189641 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1402050886 685817 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't there some assembly languages that had jump instructions for every instructions < 1402050894 371475 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not assembly < 1402050896 835193 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Machine code < 1402050902 609519 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall such things < 1402050919 582701 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make it read backward I guess < 1402051001 31923 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the story of mel? < 1402051011 157992 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1402051027 30193 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good ol' Mel < 1402051808 937124 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402052002 731866 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell MDude hi! who are you? you were quoted! < 1402052002 931437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1402052059 471541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym @ask hth < 1402052159 885025 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask MDude I may have meant ask? < 1402052160 123439 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1402052191 665361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst xkcd pun in recent memory < 1402052336 836273 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it. it is beautiful. < 1402052498 739010 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1402053287 347150 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402053991 85348 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me of http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/facebook-fan-20100225-062900.jpg < 1402054519 948674 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402054832 808523 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: The results from the Spring Core War Tournament are up :-) http://corewar.co.uk/spring2014.htm < 1402055309 86641 :Guest99438!skarn@binary.firrre.com QUIT :Changing host < 1402055309 286425 :Guest99438!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1402055312 245317 :Guest99438!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn NICK :skarn < 1402055396 437054 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402056402 591201 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402057182 305937 :mellifluous!~frait@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402057431 980768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check True < 1402057434 440025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++ OK, passed 1 tests. < 1402057448 283352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x -> isAlpha x == isLetter x < 1402057450 91788 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++ OK, passed 100 tests. < 1402057454 518058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x -> isAlpha x == isLetter x < 1402057456 814834 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++ OK, passed 100 tests. < 1402057528 220449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG 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timeout: 252 seconds < 1402058720 914760 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402058797 881278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the heck is the difference between lazy and strict ST monads < 1402058886 906370 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RAGE!!!14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39751&oldid=35531 5* 03Malltog 5* (+415) 10Marked 'interpreter' as compiler (the interpreting is left to system python) and upgraded it a bit < 1402058912 914895 :melli2!~frait@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402059071 536370 :mellifluous!~frait@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402059373 678876 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:RAGE!!!14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39752&oldid=37831 5* 03Malltog 5* (+575) 10 < 1402059582 854471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402059655 530155 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402059692 43730 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Rand.Next()14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39753&oldid=39516 5* 03Malltog 5* (+248) 10 < 1402060007 186175 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402060174 930500 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402060571 501123 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402061587 684330 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402061774 332791 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402061805 486654 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402062478 550500 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 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1402074199 531395 :Guest66747!~shikhin@120.59.107.243 QUIT :Client Quit < 1402074215 671993 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402074290 75838 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1402074446 199217 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402074975 63635 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADVICE < 1402074977 48544 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not climb trees with green bark < 1402074993 352065 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for the advice < 1402075008 67441 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1402075017 156707 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am down to zero clean pairs of trousers < 1402075232 785381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in room number 404. < 1402075252 269865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep not finding it and walking past the door. < 1402075561 562779 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402075679 527058 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing it isn't 402 < 1402076057 175002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a hotel room, so it kind-of is. < 1402076074 359519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For 403 I probably just wouldn't get the door open. < 1402076387 148395 :password2!~password@197.78.164.182 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402076460 5072 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402076494 226173 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402076624 974141 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402076702 511401 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel pretty crap < 1402076993 405250 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402077221 906942 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learns of another -l pun: libottery. < 1402077507 604830 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-lol < 1402077530 99433 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Lame -lib < 1402077587 707607 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ittle/libibrary.a ? < 1402078400 860283 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-95-73.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402078539 169985 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-119-141.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402078617 210345 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1402078821 264788 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jtaiczisfxmzstbo JOIN :#esoteric < 1402079236 434360 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: I mean, that are actual libraries. < 1402079249 294626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/3/17/525 "This feature encodes Oops messages into a QR barcode that is scannable by any device with a camera." < 1402079250 300446 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402079409 159550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402079565 484375 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402079606 736180 :vyv_!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1176387174.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402079674 524068 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1176386804.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402079705 275127 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1402079712 580170 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is kind of neat < 1402079985 385890 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402080006 162923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1402080619 991575 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402081154 681041 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1402082088 359511 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1402082347 556247 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric < 1402082588 488318 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402082714 487433 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402083366 980658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402083536 432190 :password2!~password@197.78.164.182 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402084036 827944 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402084050 842441 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1402084328 506230 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402084405 533890 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402084687 178530 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1402084687 412384 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1176387174.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402084744 172677 :vyv_!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1176387174.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1402084786 139145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402084895 254522 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 454 seconds < 1402085021 404209 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402085216 474956 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402085226 376598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I am in room number 404. I keep not finding it and walking past the door. < 1402085228 658173 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1203) I am in room number 404. I keep not finding it and walking past the door. < 1402085299 311283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1402085370 725507 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 NICK :Bicyclidine < 1402085469 435126 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402086063 42335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1402086063 378622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1402086063 685891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1402086063 880515 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :439) Phantom_Hoover: it is a hate so pure and... pumpkin seeds? < 1402086064 74966 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :42) no Deewiant No?! I've been living a lie yep. Excuse me while I jump out of the window -> < 1402086064 309296 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :423) My memory passed rest in peace sgeos memory < 1402086255 401627 :M28_!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402086291 966785 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1402086305 180139 :subleq_!~gavin@208.186.116.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402086316 812291 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: pumpkin seeds? < 1402086317 6963 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: e405 program rejected for mental health reasons. icktemp on djgpp, where the preceding statement finishes executing. ( if an attempt is made to reverse-assign the same capital letters can be of either datatype ( that is `next'ed to and nor or ( which is not the while as a method of installing them). < 1402086343 19267 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1402086343 213801 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic* irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1402086366 262252 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the INTERCAL manual doesn't make for a good wordset, apparently < 1402086455 961752 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1402086455 961914 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1402086455 962006 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.142.130 QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1402086455 962073 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1402086455 962136 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: þe olde irc style < 1402086455 962224 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: your client is broken." :) < 1402086455 962371 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402086473 498622 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402086972 290634 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1402087541 971736 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BF Joust strategies14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39754&oldid=39705 5* 03Oj742 5* (-119) 10 < 1402087608 261852 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a group homomorphism what it sounds like < 1402087675 19651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think it sounds like < 1402087676 926853 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a homomorphism between groups? < 1402087740 630893 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mapping, f, from a Group(+, G) to a Group (*, H) such that f(x) * f(y) = f(x + y)? < 1402087767 851924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be correct. < 1402087788 382869 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and f(0) = 1 (in your notation) < 1402087790 822536 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe that follows? < 1402087796 613698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that follows. < 1402087798 22977 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to wikipedia < 1402087799 958302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kewl < 1402087816 760694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a group homomorphism is just a functor < 1402087820 914615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a group action is also just a functor < 1402087821 796980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1402087824 478577 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I just used + and * because they are easy to write on a keyboard < 1402087831 38481 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, what is a group action < 1402087840 978533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a functor hth < 1402087845 914725 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what is the standard acronym meaning "I would like a hth please" < 1402087859 549991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iwlahp hth < 1402087865 171407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i algebraists do it in groups < 1402087866 407257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular a functor : G -> Set, where G is your group < 1402087884 634141 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I want help"? < 1402087885 650630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(represented as a category (groupoid) with one object) < 1402087890 992933 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just atlk like a fucking human being you fucking nerd < 1402087918 427111 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, tdh thx < 1402087921 518737 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: o_O < 1402087922 624406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: homomorphism for groups is just a special case of homomorphism for a universal algebra with arbitrary operations < 1402087923 10283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: :-( < 1402087945 874510 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me a second to realise "atlk" wasn't another obscure acronym < 1402087954 855223 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, imagine that I don't officially learn this until next year < 1402087961 915482 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God Damn It < 1402087983 858447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PART :#esoteric < 1402088012 612508 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading a textbook on Category Theory < 1402088030 271726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i don't think i _ever_ officially learned universal algebra hth < 1402088043 14584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was so cool i had to pick up some < 1402088049 171944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think ever even learned regular algebra hth :'( < 1402088050 517847 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I right in thinking that matrix multiplication is an example of a semi-additive category? < 1402088086 260256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i suspect you can drop the semi < 1402088102 873873 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I... can! < 1402088142 380646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrix multiplication is isomorphic to the category of finite-dimensional vector spaces < 1402088190 662603 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :psh finite < 1402088220 235007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :", and so we can alternatively define an additive category to be a semiadditive category having the property that every morphism has an additive inverse." < 1402088232 937994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and matrices have negatives, q.e.d. < 1402088314 825736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The algebra of matrices over a ring, thought of as a category as described below, is also additive." < 1402088430 651132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: actually strengthen that to "abelian category", i see nothing infinite in the definition of that either < 1402088467 625607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As special cases of the two previous examples: the category of vector spaces over a fixed field k is abelian, as is the category of finite-dimensional vector spaces over k." < 1402088487 253430 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'm not up to abelian categories < 1402088642 170670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're what you need to start doing homological algebra hth < 1402088682 291014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you'll probably _never_ get up to that *MWAHAHAHA*) < 1402088702 817974 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402088896 367574 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man electrical engineers really dig infintesimals, wtf < 1402089296 524073 :Oj742!irc2gowebc@131.252.206.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402089433 760475 :Oj742!irc2gowebc@131.252.206.166 QUIT :Client Quit < 1402089686 242439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union-closed_sets_conjecture < 1402089779 313897 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... weird. < 1402090166 547332 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402090609 428009 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402090838 809731 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1402091174 484862 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402091402 906211 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable091.164-160-184.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402091512 228484 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402091756 355319 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402092353 602512 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable091.164-160-184.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: PROBABLY CHICKEN < 1402092421 590952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Oh well < 1402092460 320248 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402092460 514804 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402092718 666385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1402092900 130722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402093261 262296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: And now, good night < 1402094320 698042 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/82wfP6h < 1402094534 22160 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. < 1402094633 204397 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm american, whats the problem < 1402094671 695173 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks correct :x < 1402094696 409335 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finland and norway are switched. < 1402094699 538200 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i had to look it up) < 1402094699 732803 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb : Close enough < 1402094745 726138 :subleq_!~gavin@208.186.116.206 NICK :subleq < 1402095139 882213 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402095319 776868 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, if you gave me a map of some random US state and its neighbours I wouldn't be able to tell whether two of the states' names were switched < 1402095340 244306 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I definitely wouldn't < 1402095340 739654 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if I were annotating maps of US states I would probably look it up < 1402095346 1844 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some parts of Europe I get wrong < 1402095355 911192 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most counties of England I'd get wrong < 1402095367 70976 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont care about things outside of my bubble < 1402095367 612126 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To my surprise, the M-function mex calls a Perl function, which parses (not calls!) a BAT file" help me < 1402095368 857683 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :sue me < 1402095908 316993 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402096124 937819 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402096146 666559 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Would next Tuesday be convenient for you? Yes? Great, see you in court then! ) < 1402096400 429707 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1402096816 346998 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402096956 595877 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402097040 325803 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402097078 730748 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402097179 665654 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402097231 519928 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402097332 201003 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402097631 22287 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402097686 735884 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402097722 413473 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402098026 786483 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402098769 492256 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402098793 755295 :aretecode!~aretecode@173.192.170.114-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402099213 873193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many bombs would be required to destroy not only the entire Earth but damage much of the solar system? < 1402099269 961913 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/doe/lanl/docs1/00329010.pdf godspeed, zzo < 1402099271 258227 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402099325 1785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully they don't make such bomb < 1402099414 404900 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't load < 1402099447 388285 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a paper from the Manhattan Project about how many nukes you'd need to ignite the atmosphere. < 1402099452 511048 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of earth. < 1402099457 803860 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1402101236 690590 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402101307 236530 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402101503 865734 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402101636 878404 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :blitter64, are you bik < 1402101639 563121 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1402101647 586640 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, are you bike < 1402102528 500207 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402102843 359043 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-119-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :negatory < 1402103234 142537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1402103242 205315 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike are you Bike < 1402103249 273333 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-119-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unknown < 1402103583 304966 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thin I might love npmjs. Shame about its security record though < 1402103746 897919 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402104337 468139 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402105640 922102 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402107076 131770 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose your project a has dependencies on b and c. b has a depenedecy on z version 1, c has a dependency on z version 2. < 1402107079 703268 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :npm can handle that. < 1402107135 84642 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-119-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can npm feed me cheesy potatoes? < 1402107187 949702 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, why is that special? when you load dependencies like var localname = require("somefile"), it _should_ handle that < 1402107266 101547 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no extra work < 1402107609 235592 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: because a lot of languages don't work like that < 1402107620 488233 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Lua does, at least when used in nginx < 1402107659 915747 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :lua and limbo from plan9 are the only others i know of < 1402107738 501662 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have to learn Limbo, don't I < 1402107740 244961 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that loader choose the version to load? < 1402107792 789690 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dependencies are installed in a subdirectory node_modules relative to the project. And those dependencies themselves have node_modules directories < 1402107793 789315 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1402107803 836726 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, a waste of space, but what's more important? < 1402107870 955609 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldnt call that a waste of space lol < 1402107883 873015 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nodejs.org/api/modules.html#modules_loading_from_node_modules_folders < 1402107893 219545 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a good thing to do, bundler does it for ruby < 1402107896 164035 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's easy to not have to deal with dependencies if you don't want any of the benefits of dependencies. < 1402108505 594738 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402108642 509469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what the 2D barcodes on bank statements are? Whoever I asked at the bank, said they didn't know their purpose. They are not a QR code; I can see that much at least. I can also see that it seems too small to encode all the data of the bank statement. < 1402108703 216943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39755&oldid=39750 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+49) 10 < 1402108953 992912 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OF COURSE npm uses HTTP and not HTTPS < 1402108956 922181 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:C < 1402108983 225386 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-119-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame about its security record though < 1402109029 368016 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7443861 < 1402109731 628199 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does cabal use http? < 1402109738 15937 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone in the node channel claimed so < 1402109773 576837 :Nimbusil!~Nimbusil@108.193.239.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402110316 952984 :Nimbusil!~Nimbusil@108.193.239.98 QUIT : < 1402111111 98445 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ▚ < 1402111111 770718 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+259A QUADRANT UPPER LEFT AND LOWER RIGHT] < 1402111594 194148 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Rand.Next()14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39756&oldid=39753 5* 03Malltog 5* (+0) 10Changed 'mush' to 'much' < 1402114693 617213 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sh < 1402114709 91731 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could possibly go wrong? pipe some web page directly to a shell, dont use https. no problem! < 1402114723 639738 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think the beauty of node.js, and a lot of other modern js technologies, is if you're one of the (majority) of developers out there who write just enough javascript to get back to their "real" code, then the first moment they start writing in node, they'll be forced to confront the fact that their code is horrible." < 1402114735 559844 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe node will be helpful for me < 1402114736 512299 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-119-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern js technologies < 1402114739 892509 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-119-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the saddest phrase < 1402115355 838386 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402115507 822418 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402115520 318632 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-uwvsuvnodwnvvhkv QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402115601 490428 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402115762 552062 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402116123 404133 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1176387174.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402116199 191057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have managed to fix SQLite to allow renaming views and to make EXPLAIN output containing "Program" instructions to include the name of the trigger program. Does anyone other than me would find such thing useful? < 1402116233 289326 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1177802930.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402116343 477564 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-ioczsplqdzhwkovp JOIN :#esoteric < 1402117396 124706 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Quit: kwertii < 1402117658 387653 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402118787 270666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402119800 847706 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402119849 233361 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402120362 364103 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402120621 297622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happen if you extend a type system with types corresponding to equations of natural numbers and operations on them? < 1402121940 365091 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-119-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :diophantines? < 1402122036 203103 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like that, except that the value of variables are done by type variables < 1402122453 112064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Does cabal use http? <-- yep. https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/936 < 1402122474 896206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo Does cabal use http? <-- yep. https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/936 < 1402122475 364086 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1402122481 708786 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1402122502 424315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not considering it very urgent, either :( < 1402122595 546455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also the person claiming an actual attack in that thread is a troll.) < 1402122641 116531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't even have signatures. :( < 1402122769 391983 :M28_!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 NICK :M28 < 1402123129 63608 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wtfjs.com/2013/02/12/obfuscated-fibonacci < 1402123375 126324 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfjs is itself a bit wtfy sometimes < 1402123407 492811 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wtfjs.com/2011/05/12/parseInt-is-not-eval < 1402123413 254669 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No shit, sherlock? < 1402123635 377002 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-119-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://www.mathworks.com/help/matlab/ref/str2num.html < 1402123673 352995 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :buh....wuh.... "Accelerating the pace of engineering and science"... into a wall, I assume < 1402123687 683534 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-119-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically. < 1402123721 422753 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-119-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's because they wanted it to parse arrays and complexes and stuff. but didn't feel like moving out the parser. < 1402123725 695919 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, str2double is safe < 1402123743 152892 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still not great to not make it obvious that str2num is unsafe < 1402123770 951780 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-119-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that box warning is even more prominent in t he in-IDE docs. < 1402123785 575887 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-119-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was looking for a number reader, found str2num, recoiled, and used str2double instead. < 1402123804 716460 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People aren't likely to use this language without an IDE? < 1402123810 232347 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Notepad++ for Javascript all the time < 1402123837 213008 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-119-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :matlab? not its intended userbase, no < 1402123857 126274 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-119-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IDE is actually pretty good, other than hanging when the listener does < 1402123900 634489 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is its intended userbase likely to understand the warning? < 1402123909 213001 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And its implications? < 1402123928 432899 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-119-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1402123977 472583 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-119-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :matlab is almost entirely used for very domain-specific research code, so it's not a security dealie or nothin < 1402124084 152333 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-119-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still funny as shit mind < 1402124084 646700 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402124112 375125 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402124452 543735 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RAGE!!!14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39757&oldid=39751 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-169) 10Fix the blank lines < 1402124828 492453 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Rand.Next()14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39758&oldid=39756 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+43) 10unsigned < 1402125229 568536 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10moved [[02Onecode10]] to [[Onecode (Iconmaster)]]: Name now duplicated < 1402125229 767441 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10moved [[02Talk:Onecode10]] to [[Talk:Onecode (Iconmaster)]]: Name now duplicated < 1402125371 403657 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Onecode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39763&oldid=39760 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+47) 10IIRC this is our second disambiguation page ever < 1402125462 977721 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402125687 4554 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should add a category for disambiguation pages :> < 1402125716 32104 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Onecode14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39764&oldid=39762 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+34) 10I don't think this should be a redirect, make it a text link instead < 1402125739 889403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: maybe a _tiny_ bit early. < 1402125753 526732 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what happens if i dedide to make two languages by the same name < 1402125772 244849 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this may be: Foo (myname) or Foo (myname)" < 1402125877 402372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second would then be Foo (myname cannot name things properly I) < 1402125889 436241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1402125894 819850 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :challenge considered < 1402125976 621292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the third would be Foo (myname still cannot name things properly so we banned him) hth < 1402125986 920185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly with the hth included < 1402126013 584573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at which point elliott bans me) < 1402126065 287606 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just thought of a language that uses "foo hth" as "return foo" and twh as a function call... < 1402126089 280850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds inevitable when you put it that way. < 1402126100 598503 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1402126148 3291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it sounds inevitable whether or not you put it that way hth < 1402126199 601220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers neither confirming nor denying that he planned this all along. < 1402126211 931596 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402126250 676234 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402126322 724588 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, next idea: 3 languages called VVV, WV and VW, what wouldn't be disambiguous AT ALL! < 1402126358 624464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙮ KAY < 1402126430 393766 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think banning for 3 languages with the same name is harsh, though < 1402126463 780776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's to nip it in the bud < 1402126701 268423 :password2!~password@197.78.148.26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402126783 278189 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402126923 315875 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i am going to make a small presentation about esolangs. i thought about 3 main categories: senseless, art, math < 1402126927 495160 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:RAGE!!!14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39765&oldid=39752 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+213) 10no space left < 1402126930 405420 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any suggestions/objections? < 1402126981 25095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're missing pure evil hth < 1402126998 617739 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you have an example language for that? < 1402127001 648820 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :malbolge? < 1402127065 356889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be one. although if you look in Category:Shameful you might find some others. < 1402127096 469318 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1402127096 769125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: there is no Category:Shameful hth) < 1402127105 663920 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be! < 1402127116 130101 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd put german in there < 1402127125 981535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, we have clearly decided that it should not exist hth < 1402127130 799402 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i will list it at senseless < 1402127141 488394 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1402127201 392334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest you visit the page for it for some clarity why it doesn't exist hth < 1402127377 670398 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't make much sense < 1402127408 216136 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PART :#esoteric < 1402127413 72865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither do the languages in that category < 1402127437 824863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you may be meta-humoristically challenged < 1402127522 893579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus in fine company < 1402127710 157626 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do like meta-humor. at least that part of it that i understand < 1402127868 60857 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A category can contain files even though the category file itself is not exist < 1402127871 781169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it is OK < 1402127925 86987 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Describe what you plan to make in presentation? I am not sure such three are sufficient category. But, perhaps INTERCAL should also be included? < 1402127990 162575 :password2!~password@197.78.148.26 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402128020 824872 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should add "humour" as a fourth one < 1402128077 576815 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402128136 92057 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1402128316 679779 :ski_!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1402128367 67519 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402128367 330124 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402128391 580091 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1402128412 171641 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402128644 380804 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :question is: at which point? < 1402128804 511029 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: where would you put INTERCAL? < 1402128853 462569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know!!! < 1402128912 504064 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1402129508 523743 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay! < 1402129527 283024 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could add a category INTERCAL :p < 1402130412 828657 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402130503 540530 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402130663 445510 :password2!~password@197.78.157.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402131345 644807 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402131516 460714 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402131516 655540 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402131516 977487 :hubs!hubs@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe69:46d3 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402131517 171949 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1402131874 801225 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1177802930.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402131874 995416 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402131874 995562 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1402131874 995631 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1402131874 995695 :nortti!nortti@109.74.197.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402131883 33713 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1402132631 416706 :password2!~password@197.78.177.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402133177 566422 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Onecode14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39766&oldid=39763 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+14) 10added template < 1402133467 997050 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero < 1402133624 428852 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1402134360 242718 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.53.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402134360 473111 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.53.77 QUIT :Changing host < 1402134360 473235 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402135479 501550 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402135714 990415 :password2!~password@197.78.177.168 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402135819 262630 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402135832 570999 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Client Quit < 1402135846 146363 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402136072 242775 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402136197 405487 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402136306 587111 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402136670 834081 :password2!~password@197.78.166.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402136757 823771 :mhi^!~mhi@5.28.120.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402136760 385378 :mhi^!~mhi@5.28.120.132 QUIT :Changing host < 1402136760 579824 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402137109 548770 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402137324 276889 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402137778 790479 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402138552 668461 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402138802 939482 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah < 1402138826 590081 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am scared that I am too incompetent to do things I want to do so I find myself unable to even try < 1402138920 306867 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402138938 555031 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also today was a terrible day to wear shorts < 1402139187 236747 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402139311 171606 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunning-Krueger is calling! < 1402139501 295595 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhi^, this is something I have never even attempted before < 1402139509 923001 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I probably am going to be incompetent < 1402139513 490268 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wig styling) < 1402139610 938984 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunning-Kruger does not apply < 1402139615 925148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I must make you a credible wigmaker — and quickly. < 1402139647 615124 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402139678 595031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: There's tawny and there's golden saffron, / There's flaxen and there's blonde, / There's coarse and fine, / There's straight and curly, / There's gray, there's white, / There's ash, there's pearly, / There's corn-yellow, / Buff and ochre and / Straw and apricot... < 1402139765 268480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :With finer textures, / Ash looks fairer, / Which makes it rare, / But flaxen's cheaper... < 1402139782 851186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this works better as a duet < 1402139787 254896 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402139944 947597 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am afraid I do not know my lyrics < 1402139981 716270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :your lyrics are mostly the same except shifted forward a bit < 1402140005 823520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i say things like "repeat that. repeat that!" < 1402140632 515859 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402140672 311696 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402141874 996065 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402141910 940628 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1402142739 797781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402143919 438250 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :t plusCommutative < 1402143921 390423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error on input ‘:’ < 1402143923 989044 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t plusCommutative < 1402143924 275123 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.Nat.plusCommutative : (13left : 12Nat) -> (13right : 12Nat) -> 13left 09+ 13right 12= 13right 09+ 13left < 1402143961 829546 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Something like ↑? < 1402144622 229233 :lorenzo_!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402144773 653733 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402145253 819007 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Procrastinatiiiiooon < 1402145269 767045 :nortti!nortti@109.74.197.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nation of procastination < 1402145308 608733 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402146404 373798 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402146767 418218 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402146973 731142 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402146992 288038 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402147124 651249 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402147258 333043 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402148173 770485 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402148197 156454 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402148381 556900 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402148381 846430 :lorenzo_!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402151461 661699 :password2!~password@197.78.166.187 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402152017 493412 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402153203 536154 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1402153243 257671 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The people of Procrasti hereby resolve to lodge a formal complaint with Taneb and nortti about their ridicule of Procasti's glorious nation... later. < 1402153487 846232 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402153488 378414 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1402154383 717846 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1402154959 207959 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402155781 72916 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Quit: LAPSED CHICKEN < 1402156522 407206 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402156656 928030 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402156808 708387 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402157070 278911 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1402158338 681223 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402158440 775456 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402158499 249989 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-22-125.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1402158529 904498 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-22-125.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1402158530 99075 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402158992 630100 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402159188 609835 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402159188 841673 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402160596 197934 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1402160610 364177 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402160962 231108 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-119-141.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402161087 406653 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402161137 621940 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402161240 351555 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402161328 837813 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1402161343 195032 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402161482 164558 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Aithecomputerguy 5* 10New user account < 1402161882 323284 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402162912 511824 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402162938 835490 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1402163192 585759 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402163321 617596 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Burn14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39767&oldid=20474 5* 03Aithecomputerguy 5* (+1696) 10 < 1402163376 789699 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Burn14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39768&oldid=39767 5* 03Aithecomputerguy 5* (+0) 10 < 1402163410 529795 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Burn14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39769&oldid=39768 5* 03Aithecomputerguy 5* (+0) 10A guess. < 1402163429 248246 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Aithecomputerguy14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39770 5* 03Aithecomputerguy 5* (+3) 10Set up user page. < 1402163702 725582 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Aithecomputerguy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39771&oldid=39770 5* 03Aithecomputerguy 5* (+10) 10Added my first esoteric language < 1402164972 586412 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-16481.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1402165651 735871 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402166929 715163 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1402166976 258395 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:ad93:8a80:ac17:f0f6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402167700 755399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402167917 408635 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402167924 292941 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up with all those stupid programming language names that are common words. http://www.splasmata.com/?p=2798 has me wanting to duckduckgo "swift speed" to get a second opinion which obviously is doomed to failure. < 1402167959 200203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really think is necessarily so bad < 1402168030 830481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case of some that have Wikipedia articles, you can type in the name and then (programming language) and probably it will find it. < 1402168058 604625 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm annoyed that this is going to outdo the birds < 1402168064 107670 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :birds > programming languages < 1402168079 977206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not understand you. < 1402168084 116585 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Bike < 1402168086 663004 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about < 1402168093 64888 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Lazy%20Bird < 1402168117 691955 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a species of bird called the "swift", zzo < 1402168138 525964 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :to mock a mockingbird (hmm. I should read that some time) < 1402168140 195307 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no species called Lazy Bird, and i'm fond of to mock, so it's all good < 1402168156 184673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that's what you mean. < 1402168157 328752 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402168165 940495 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Hey, by the types corresponding to equations of natural numbers, did you mean like: < 1402168167 476217 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, many words are having multiple meanings. < 1402168172 501847 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t plusCommutative < 1402168172 707104 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.Nat.plusCommutative : (13left : 12Nat) -> (13right : 12Nat) -> 13left 09+ 13right 12= 13right 09+ 13left < 1402168209 919917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: Yes, something like that, but without the (left : Nat) -> (right : Nat) -> at front < 1402168218 83622 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you're right of course that this is no more than a minor nuisance. < 1402168261 370393 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it has been done before with BASIC) < 1402168308 238076 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( \left : Nat, right : Nat => left + right = right + left < 1402168308 433175 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\13left => \13right => 09plus 13left 13right 12= 09plus 13right 13left : 12Nat -> 12Nat -> 12Type < 1402168318 670015 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought < 1402168334 585758 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Like that? < 1402168360 582254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: I guess so (but I also don't entirely undertsand such program) < 1402168364 906005 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That suggests Okasaki's "Functional Data Structure" for "To Mock a Mockingbird", which I find amusing. < 1402168394 749012 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (\left : Nat, right : Nat => left + right = right + left) 11 23 < 1402168394 954243 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0434 12= 0434 : 12Type < 1402168405 619976 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1402168420 126226 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. "Purely Functional Data Structures" is the right title. < 1402168479 935835 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It’s a type synonym that’s indexed by two natural numbers, defined as the equality of the two numbers’ addition both ways. < 1402168508 311420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: O, OK, yes I think that is like what I mean < 1402168515 153307 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( 7 : 34 < 1402168515 347507 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:3: error: expected: "$", < 1402168515 542520 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "$>", "&&", "&&&", "*", "***", < 1402168515 542698 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "+", "++", "-", "->", ".", "/", < 1402168515 542789 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "/=", ":+", ":-", "::", ":::", < 1402168515 542917 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ":=", "<", "<$", "<$>", "<*>",14↵… < 1402168524 153409 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna see a value of type 34. < 1402168562 363328 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( 7 : (34 : Type) < 1402168562 591610 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:3: error: expected: "$", < 1402168562 786096 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "$>", "&&", "&&&", "*", "***", < 1402168562 786248 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "+", "++", "-", "->", ".", "/", < 1402168562 786337 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "/=", ":+", ":-", "::", ":::", < 1402168562 786423 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ":=", "<", "<$", "<$>", "<*>",14↵… < 1402168570 88043 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, wait, you use the, right < 1402168573 68 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the 34 7 < 1402168573 215414 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't resolve type class 12Num (09fromInteger 0434) < 1402168582 359479 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah. < 1402168585 681633 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (34 : type) 7 < 1402168585 887647 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:9: error: expected: "$", < 1402168586 82256 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "$>", "&&", "&&&", "*", "***", < 1402168586 82401 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "+", "++", "-", "->", ".", "/", < 1402168586 82493 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "/=", ":+", ":-", "::", ":::", < 1402168586 82578 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ":=", "<", "<$", "<$>", "<*>",14↵… < 1402168599 7409 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (34 : Type) 7 < 1402168599 201967 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:9: error: expected: "$", < 1402168599 396172 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "$>", "&&", "&&&", "*", "***", < 1402168599 396355 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "+", "++", "-", "->", ".", "/", < 1402168599 396443 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "/=", ":+", ":-", "::", ":::", < 1402168599 396529 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ":=", "<", "<$", "<$>", "<*>",14↵… < 1402168605 391034 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright sorry. < 1402168606 34800 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Natural numbers are not types. < 1402168621 376595 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just index types with anything, not just other types. < 1402168622 440161 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the type is actually 34 = 34, huh. < 1402168625 992738 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :doc (=) < 1402168628 45566 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error on input ‘:’ < 1402168632 543798 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :doc (=) < 1402168632 737946 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data type 12= : (13{A0} : 12Type) -> (13{B0} : 12Type) -> 13A -> 13B -> 12Type < 1402168632 932264 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : The propositional equality type. A proof that x = y. < 1402168632 932466 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : To use such a proof, pattern-match on it, and the two equal things will then need to be the same pattern. < 1402168632 932555 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: Idris's equality type is heterogeneous, which means that it is possible to state equalities between values of potentially different types. This is < 1402168632 932642 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : sometimes referred to in the literature as "John Major" equality.14↵… < 1402168647 373642 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :doc refl < 1402168647 632085 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04refl : 13x 12= 13x < 1402168647 826570 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : A proof that x in fact equals x. To construct this, you must have already shown that both sides are in fact equal. < 1402168647 826750 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Arguments: < 1402168647 826874 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : (implicit) 13{A0} : 12Type -- the type at which the equality is proven < 1402168647 826963 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : (implicit) 13{x0} : 13A -- the element shown to be equal to itself. < 1402168651 669767 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (34 = 34) 7 < 1402168651 931131 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't resolve type class 12Num (09fromInteger 0434 12= 09fromInteger 0434) < 1402168670 517378 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (34 = 34) refl < 1402168670 712138 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04refl : 0434 12= 0434 < 1402168692 746127 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only constructor of (=) is refl. < 1402168768 185845 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :is `the` a bit like the :: syntax in Haskell, except it being a function and whatnot? < 1402168780 672585 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :doc the < 1402168781 251516 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09the : (13a : 12Type) -> (13x : 13a) -> 13a < 1402168781 445660 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Manually assign a type to an expression. < 1402168781 445811 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Arguments: < 1402168781 445902 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13a : 12Type -- the type to assign < 1402168781 445988 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13x : 13a -- the element to get the type < 1402168904 627766 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: It’s a bit like saying “(id :: Foo -> Foo) foo”. You’re passing the type explicitly to a version of the identity function. < 1402168912 456323 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the Integer < 1402168912 650501 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09id : 12Integer -> 12Integer < 1402168933 889529 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparenty it’s even defined that way. Huh. < 1402168938 455010 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the Nat < 1402168938 673664 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09id : 12Nat -> 12Nat < 1402168964 175499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402168975 333702 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :src the -- probably doesn't work, but worth a try < 1402168975 528003 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Command "src" not permitted. < 1402168987 538630 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn Idris < 1402169034 86988 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type value = (the ((->) type type)) value, obviously < 1402169083 469302 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (Nat -> Nat) id 42 < 1402169083 701424 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0442 : 12Nat < 1402169088 951284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote The people of Procrasti hereby resolve to lodge a formal complaint with Taneb and nortti about their ridicule of Procasti's glorious nation... later. < 1402169090 533909 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1204) The people of Procrasti hereby resolve to lodge a formal complaint with Taneb and nortti about their ridicule of Procasti's glorious nation... later. < 1402169168 876148 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (\t : Type => t -> t) Integer < 1402169169 87751 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12Integer -> 12Integer : 12Type < 1402169175 194101 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, nice < 1402169191 757343 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the _ = id" heh < 1402169215 187199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the _ 1 < 1402169215 381756 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :041 : 12Integer < 1402169226 976381 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: http://eb.host.cs.st-andrews.ac.uk/writings/idris-tutorial.pdf ← Official tutorial in case you were serious. < 1402169327 479558 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1402169373 314994 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds a thing that has failed to be updated in it. < 1402169389 931921 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Warpdrive14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39772 5* 03Aithecomputerguy 5* (+2330) 10Created page with "[[Warpdrive]] is a language created by [[User:Aithecomputerguy|aithecomputerguy]] that is very loosely based off of cellular automata. It's name comes from the idea of going f..." < 1402169477 223446 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402169650 319799 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402169982 253269 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1402170198 352391 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402170242 563028 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402170519 645145 :tertu_!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402170536 548602 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402171082 23035 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402171278 444083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402171320 310568 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402171339 405521 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402172148 736471 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402172589 602433 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1402173504 362648 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402174230 307053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The channel for CDOP Star Wars watching | SPIKE THE VOID | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1402175319 987558 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402175378 440164 :ski_!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402175440 712559 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1402175727 227567 :nooodl_!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402175807 699637 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402176124 654581 :tertu_!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402176762 582157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1402177190 832681 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1402177342 173283 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1402177587 526567 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402177942 294101 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402178160 328769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, they use Famitracker. It can be compiled into NSF too < 1402178179 693220 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:ad93:8a80:ac17:f0f6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402178434 101166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1402178518 390956 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402178692 366800 :Official_Pants!4672a3ab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.114.163.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402178693 577078 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402178726 570439 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402178735 913704 :Official_Pants!4672a3ab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.114.163.171 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cant make an account on esolangs.org < 1402178812 173147 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Official Pants 5* 10New user account < 1402178840 493830 :Official_Pants!4672a3ab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.114.163.171 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, It worked. Never mind! < 1402179399 857559 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402179423 912414 :Official_Pants!4672a3ab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.114.163.171 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1402180178 570285 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1402180628 342712 :nooodl_!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402180784 393582 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402180967 424012 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402181007 362351 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402182855 535942 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-16481.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402182970 605608 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@nl6x.mullvad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402184194 995753 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402184369 145980 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402184736 351447 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402184791 174275 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402186277 444484 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402186529 220386 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402187369 167521 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1177802930.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402187515 268588 :vyv!~vyv@70.51.217.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402187669 132954 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@nl7x.mullvad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402187680 573412 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1402187681 177238 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1402187695 610952 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@nl6x.mullvad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402188100 79785 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402188385 369735 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402188459 415331 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402189309 996616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you know how to play monstery-poker? < 1402189340 800247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know. < 1402190549 36167 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: sleep time < 1402190778 370374 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402191117 873950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402191492 167412 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZenMagnets don't understand money < 1402191493 803465 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The value of Bitcoin doesn't come from government trust (like dollars) or chemical properties (like gold), but instead from mathematical properties of cryptography." < 1402191529 542869 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still amuses me to think of bitcoin as based on the labor theory of value < 1402192302 524321 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402192523 174444 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402193052 518682 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1402193307 80003 :vyv!~vyv@70.51.217.218 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402193447 474878 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Quit: APPROXIMATIVE CHICKEN < 1402193561 404616 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1175983829.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402193997 250877 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402194346 768889 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402195343 51423 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402196145 496944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monstery-poker game is game many difference from ordinary poker game. In case you lose, then they are allowed to eat your blood, and they are also allowed to eat your money. Also, sometimes there is more aces than other cards. And other differences. < 1402196578 232020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Who are they? < 1402196598 168727 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your opponent, I suppose? Who else? < 1402197038 263124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My opponents have rarely eaten my blood before. < 1402200202 570652 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to be confused with Monastery-poker. < 1402200267 363024 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm somsome messages me some time ago. < 1402200278 955314 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I sleep. < 1402200285 928999 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1402200559 265501 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*someone messaged < 1402200727 451667 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402201234 575157 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/27l0tp/a_cycle_within_a_tree_you_thought_that_was/ < 1402201751 55444 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1402202079 404753 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402202520 972252 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: trees can't have cycles < 1402202528 523956 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :image is a lie < 1402203085 945914 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jtaiczisfxmzstbo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1402203638 818262 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is more information available of BANCSTAR? < 1402203899 351911 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402203988 210753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can guess now what some things mean by looking at the printout. < 1402203998 944180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, only a few pages are available. < 1402204171 617626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see that 2999,,, seems to be starting a new "page", and that jump targets are page numbers. It appear that command 3001 is for block conditions, which probably are not allowed to be nested. < 1402204274 842524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :After the "goto page" instruction at the end of page 1, there is a 1254 instruction, which has no description. < 1402204278 362066 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what it means? < 1402204560 353886 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that each number in the program is limited to a signed 16-bit integer and that several strange things are done to ensure it will fit. < 1402205181 888061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commands with 1 in the ten thousands place seems to be some assignments < 1402205433 382757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be willing to try to help them with it < 1402205751 701898 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:8568:1be:5700:a5ef JOIN :#esoteric < 1402205754 649544 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402205829 552093 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402205832 859763 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero < 1402205954 44367 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:8568:1be:5700:a5ef QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402205979 719676 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:8568:1be:5700:a5ef JOIN :#esoteric < 1402206244 590099 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1402206290 366001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know why line 00061 is "3000,192,1," instead of "3000,193,1," < 1402206464 624839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it seems variables are assigned the value they already have. Is this supposed to force the corresponding field on the screen to be refreshed? < 1402206481 406410 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:8568:1be:5700:a5ef QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1402206726 986472 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: hah < 1402207293 150564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402207321 668184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I can guess what the 1254 instruction which has no description might be for. Perhaps it is to cause something to be displayed the screen; maybe these instructions are a prompt for variable 1254 and it is displayed even if the prompt is not executed. < 1402207586 532714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see the code that says "I'm not too worried about revealing a lot of proprietary information here, as only about ten people in the world can read this code". Well, now I can figure out part of it! < 1402207832 759929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, the eleventh guy < 1402207892 245223 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402208424 356256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Variable 1547 is the "pause flag", which is being cleared a lot, although I am not quite sure of its purpose. < 1402208783 402713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See: http://reocities.com/ResearchTriangle/station/2266/tarpit/bancstar.html I don't know what instruction 9301 is supposed to mean, but it seems like it might be important. < 1402209137 215735 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402209975 368493 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Cupid14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39773&oldid=8549 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+55) 10Wayback machine pointer < 1402210227 59314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh we actually do have a disambig template < 1402210351 944308 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Cupid14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39774&oldid=39773 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10/* External resources */ template syntax < 1402210558 132650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK then you can use that one < 1402211057 426434 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402211467 435983 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402211784 904318 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Warpdrive14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39775&oldid=39772 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+207) 10format, and I'm not convinced by that TC claim < 1402211974 754194 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :im proud of this https://gist.github.com/fowlmouth/8cc9ee26bcf509b5fea5 < 1402212304 666458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: someone already did < 1402212394 908341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn radiator stopped working < 1402212453 600124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be no water in it at all. < 1402212475 377942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope i've managed to close the plug right if it comes back < 1402212537 573049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if it's like last year, they'll need to do an annoying simultaneous airing of all the apartments "simultaneously" < 1402212558 446520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(annoying because they're ENTERING MY APARTMENT dammit) < 1402212605 347117 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402212621 644864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if they've turned off the system on purpose, or if it's just a side effect of all the radiators being off during the heatwave < 1402212715 553601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like anyone's actually told me. i wonder if there's an intranet website i'm supposed to know about. < 1402212775 448246 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402212776 509574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm worried about the plug because it didn't seem to actually stop turning) < 1402213056 336384 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Burn14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39776&oldid=39769 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+52) 10dates are _not_ optional hth < 1402213509 256409 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402214953 711255 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :burn kinda reminds me of that language that will be specified in the future < 1402214970 39159 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402215702 22017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be surprised if that guess is right, as it doesn't fit my definition of cellular automaton. < 1402215737 724455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'll wait for ais523 < 1402216372 165607 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that graph rewriting language? < 1402216416 276783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eodermdrome? < 1402216469 664649 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1402216482 604932 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fail to memorize that name < 1402216607 22315 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402216686 719873 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402217100 459602 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function < 1402217131 567702 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402217832 49179 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402217848 255644 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402218939 301637 :password2!~password@197.78.158.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402219793 927399 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :BANCStar < 1402219795 296192 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.... < 1402220536 258040 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1402220856 161073 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1402220878 279495 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you have actual documentation about BANCStar? < 1402221622 213441 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402222055 725087 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1402222843 411998 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402222862 99410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As your post stands, there is no baby to throw out, and your bathtub is only a small bucket of gas direct from your anus." < 1402222864 324578 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402222922 36505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 7 days until r/physics can theoretically get a new moderator... < 1402223052 250158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that sounds like i meant that comment should be deleted, it was actually a relatively brilliant flame of a crackpot. < 1402223130 93866 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402223206 432206 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402223999 914880 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402224077 207759 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1402224523 549281 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402224527 455563 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402224608 596101 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402224870 44379 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402225041 457540 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402225227 493003 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402226493 903690 :nortti!nortti@109.74.197.6 NICK :ittron < 1402226574 82627 :ittron!nortti@109.74.197.6 NICK :nortti < 1402227027 147951 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402227331 212043 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402227400 414224 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402227520 287150 :password2!~password@197.78.158.50 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402227581 571308 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402227613 596696 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there other cool programming games besides space chem/robozzle/rubicon/manufactoria? < 1402227855 455491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfjoust < 1402227885 272037 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half Life??? < 1402227887 884259 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, okay, but thats not a kind of "here is a level, solve it" game < 1402227891 600460 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: what < 1402227901 891826 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS THE BEST GAME ALL CATEGORY < 1402227902 835193 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1402227909 155288 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or what about just minecraft < 1402227915 361923 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With redstone circuits < 1402227919 466712 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: nah, dwarf fortress < 1402227930 48357 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DF has the hydrolic compooters yeah < 1402227949 157278 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then GOBLINS < 1402227957 255138 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goblins are the worstvirus < 1402228004 915241 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft with ComputerCraft installed? < 1402228129 168377 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about C < 1402228134 346397 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is the best game! < 1402228172 535972 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lacks a good level structure, though < 1402228287 504440 :password2!~password@197.78.152.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402228570 563672 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well first you do the .h, then the .c, then preprocessing, then compilation, then linking < 1402228574 434927 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you win the execution < 1402228638 841479 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you win by getting executed. < 1402228642 284046 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You never know with C. < 1402228664 77673 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game Over : Segfault < 1402228710 286154 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not impressed < 1402228787 787333 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Try http://www.kongregate.com/games/krispykrem/kohctpyktop-engineer-of-the-people < 1402228820 751969 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402228901 808276 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: oh, i knew that, i never solved power on reset, though < 1402228917 957393 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use the gate switching delay < 1402229012 191487 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bigger problem is to make it go down, but i just got an idea < 1402229214 966368 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@nl7x.mullvad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402229417 407124 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18579.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1402230299 231503 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402230466 646507 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit < 1402230902 409447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402230954 102075 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402230992 83707 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit < 1402231429 619183 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402231521 688791 :MoALTz__!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402231592 218813 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402231688 207103 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402231849 784345 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402232138 390041 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402232840 455931 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402232916 36872 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402232927 420858 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402232961 404034 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402233324 63118 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402233336 122310 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit < 1402233516 652820 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1402233755 464411 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402233800 687554 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2 < 1402233879 392410 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1402234155 818700 :function!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero < 1402234419 548485 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1402234853 345193 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1402235020 373161 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1402235191 374772 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1402235224 727764 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1402235350 581867 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1402235406 751765 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. I still heve to find a use for n gates (pnp transistors). there's no GND but surely that doesn't make them completely useless? In the meantime what do you think of http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/4andor.png ? < 1402235509 211697 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhinlydeath < 1402235571 295463 :shikhinlydeath!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1402235751 556405 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402235970 493657 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402236420 477891 :password2!~password@197.78.152.250 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402236795 481645 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402237518 203328 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. found an (obvious in retorspect) use for pnp transistors. < 1402237552 629271 :password2!~password@197.78.175.43 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402238057 616591 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402238074 765354 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:518c:b5f4:7b04:5b90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402238199 608185 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1402238278 619281 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:518c:b5f4:7b04:5b90 QUIT :Client Quit < 1402238516 567883 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this implausible design: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/4andor2.png < 1402239334 49912 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be nice if it allowed diodes < 1402239357 187128 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to use gates instead < 1402239381 9488 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting design < 1402239615 566788 :password2!~password@197.78.175.43 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402239698 124534 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gates are way to easy, aren't they? < 1402239718 554289 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, i'd probably enjoy a game based on funciton < 1402240552 604365 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the reset thing would be much harder without pnp transistors, I think. < 1402240577 575226 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402240585 285221 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1402240604 352331 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what'd you do? < 1402240651 116321 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://node-os.com/ < 1402240655 287761 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/reset.png < 1402240671 104488 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess an OS that uses npm (as suggested by that piece of text), but not node.js for anything else but that, was too much to hope for? < 1402240708 254490 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the hell < 1402240783 359850 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What tool is that? < 1402240803 687976 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: http://www.kongregate.com/games/krispykrem/kohctpyktop-engineer-of-the-people < 1402240847 777607 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, fun < 1402240979 768566 :MoALTz__!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402241368 814694 :lorenzo_!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402241388 196247 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402241455 597298 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If you find decent documentation about BANCStar I'd be interested < 1402241485 462925 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402241507 550956 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402242130 947107 :lorenzo__!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402242298 323435 :lorenzo_!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402242936 179083 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402243536 307644 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402243844 564964 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402244419 406476 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1175983829.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402244479 699860 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Yes, although I don't know if there is any. Something says it is "undocumented" < 1402244504 105319 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1176387296.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402244949 144447 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1402244955 691407 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the manufacturer gotta have a docu < 1402244963 331790 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least < 1402244994 960574 :password2!~password@197.78.175.43 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402245308 744526 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure whether they lost it or will publish it < 1402245540 214552 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402245877 988334 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to email them a long time ago, no response < 1402245901 685849 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I even emailed the right place < 1402246044 899000 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402246115 336401 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402246146 587898 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402246418 361297 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402246658 336991 :password2!~password@197.78.175.43 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402246757 60208 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402246759 783161 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/vilevsu.png was my solution for reset < 1402246928 536970 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tqvkuxqsynqzzrce JOIN :#esoteric < 1402246937 250563 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402247012 194152 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402247029 555253 :lorenzo__!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402247208 227221 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You really asked them for documentation? < 1402247259 970645 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :WP says they are called Broadway & Seymour now < 1402247322 860185 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they even still exist < 1402247357 294231 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :As of July 18, 2001, The Broadway & Seymour Group was acquired by WebTone Technologies, Inc. < 1402247362 269139 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1402247418 980603 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :As of September 2, 2003, WebTone Technologies, Inc. was acquired by Fidelity Information Services, Inc. < 1402247427 844467 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting closer :D < 1402247524 601840 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. FIS is a company that still exists at least < 1402247581 82212 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Did you write to the FIS or to whom did you write? < 1402247978 376124 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402248074 330260 :shikhin!~shikhin@59.177.198.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402248101 269181 :shikhin!~shikhin@59.177.198.66 NICK :Guest12152 < 1402248133 322097 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402248143 910599 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo. < 1402248144 611549 :Guest12152!~shikhin@59.177.198.66 NICK :shikhout < 1402248149 662027 :shikhout!~shikhin@59.177.198.66 QUIT :Changing host < 1402248149 856364 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402248167 208952 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1402248234 788694 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402248276 422350 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1402248457 940674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect any documentation for the instruction code to exist, although there may be documentation for the screen generator, which might help too. < 1402248600 420593 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I wrote a senior thesis and my advisor says I should put it on the arXiv. I wonder if I really should or not. < 1402248622 392050 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't any new results in it. < 1402248632 859765 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the fuck not, imo < 1402248744 392985 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: zachtronics industries has some more of them < 1402248778 486799 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ruckingenur" and "The Codex of Alchemical Engineering" are fun! < 1402248783 812245 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I emailed moreinformation@fisglobal.com < 1402248825 268051 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was around 2011 < 1402248838 416717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're still working on their reply < 1402249046 732789 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402249087 948503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try asking whoever put it in GitHub; maybe they know some things. < 1402249111 827462 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-23-36.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1402249147 500394 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-23-36.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1402249147 694642 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402249248 271327 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402249288 596237 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at Wikipedia's list of mathematical coincidences. I think the most compelling one is that pi^3 is about 0.006 more than an integer. < 1402249315 134397 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So pi^3 - 31 is a pretty small number. < 1402249321 512277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't see that article, but I will look < 1402249407 407630 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402249423 902267 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402250350 187853 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pi^4 + pi^5 \approx e^6 within 0.000 005%" wowww < 1402250546 999529 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now get an exact one, so we can learn if they're algebraically dependent once and for all < 1402250596 895014 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that unknown? < 1402250810 440196 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebraic_independence#Algebraic_independence_of_known_constants < 1402250812 391009 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pi^4 + pi^5 - (exp 1)^6 < 1402250814 340553 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1.7673451168320753e-5 < 1402250828 372525 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad < 1402250840 507565 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is not even known if pi + e is irrational." < 1402250840 741412 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes, bizarrely < 1402250842 834679 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gdi. < 1402250864 480292 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot like that. whether euler-mascheroni is irrational is also unknown, &c < 1402250879 416619 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we know a power series for pi where the ratio between successive terms approaches 0? < 1402250919 320746 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And where the terms are all rational numbers. < 1402250966 285657 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/f/8/4/f844df0b56253162e6aed16eed56167b.png shrug < 1402250981 563424 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402251015 572641 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts his glasses on. < 1402251036 888388 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :640320^(3/2) isn't rational, is it? < 1402251053 564302 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, it isn't. < 1402251137 379462 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402251191 76829 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee whiz, it's, like, hyper geometric < 1402251247 128361 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pi^4 + pi^5 - exp 6 < 1402251248 876730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1.767345128200759e-5 < 1402251255 136868 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I say "power series"? I meant "series". < 1402251270 190476 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's gotta be a word for numbers that can be written as a series of rational numbers where the ratio between successive terms approaches 0. < 1402251272 444446 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok good i was confused. < 1402251287 424560 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're all irrational and closed under addition. < 1402251293 389243 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (pi^4 + pi^5 - exp 6) - (pi^4 + pi^5 - (exp 1)^6) < 1402251295 249880 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1.1368683772161603e-13 < 1402251304 189580 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/8/4/5/845a6038420113e231a6f89b75524680.png < 1402251317 931732 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, except q = e^pi, nvm < 1402251326 408774 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402251333 941042 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/8/b/b/8bb0c0c46e24bb426817c4f2a71bdf48.png oh right. there you go. < 1402251337 43134 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno about the ratio bit tho < 1402251464 35061 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1176387296.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402251469 573004 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402251498 809510 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that gets you digits i guess the ratio is about 1/16, oops < 1402251517 747839 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds likely. < 1402251587 237746 :vyv!~vyv@70.50.95.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402251630 946511 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike_: That's the formula most suitable for calculating pi in a power-of-two base < 1402251639 960886 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So perfect for binary or hexadecimal < 1402251640 423412 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-212.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402251641 588380 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes thank you < 1402251643 804623 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1402251650 434730 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in fact already aware of that < 1402251665 783439 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is one for base 10 too < 1402251679 784474 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't < 1402251687 968379 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's neat how you can calculate any digit of pi without calculating the others < 1402251694 568353 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. I just wrote to fisglobal < 1402251700 790094 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's hope for the best :) < 1402251971 420428 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I doubt we're going to come across a series of rational numbers for pi where the ratio approaches zero. < 1402252038 11297 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing as how that would imply that pi + e is irrational. < 1402252099 176690 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about 3 + 0.14 + 0.001592 + 0.00000065358979 + ... < 1402252112 232092 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh. < 1402252138 716918 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a genius, mate. < 1402252145 956621 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spawnkiller < 1402252151 795870 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang, I think I can prove that 2/3 is irrational. < 1402252164 906106 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Observe: 2/3 = 0.6 + 0.066 + 0.0006666 + 0.000000066666666 + ... < 1402252241 527448 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get why this is supposedly a sufficient condition for irrationality! < 1402252247 104739 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed < 1402252257 983937 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fourier's proof of the irrationality of e. < 1402252261 8558 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It obviously generalizes. < 1402252273 680675 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irrationality isn't too hard to prove < 1402252282 820649 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least if you allow proof by contradiction < 1402252291 56708 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: I'll pay you twenty bucks to prove that pi + e is irrational. < 1402252298 927688 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the hard one is proving 2/3 isn't real < 1402252301 428625 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well MOST OF THE TIME < 1402252310 841163 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 2/3 is real :o < 1402252318 86389 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only in your mind < 1402252319 187016 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's part of Q which is automatically in R! < 1402252323 367984 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you know that 0 ≠ 3? < 1402252333 209926 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the Peano axioms < 1402252338 256881 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Von Neumann integers < 1402252340 81037 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. < 1402252340 278489 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1402252344 148390 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 / 3 * 3 == 2 < 1402252346 7934 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1402252348 702636 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or MY THINKING CAP < 1402252355 628249 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or my gumption < 1402252357 419713 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 / 3 * 3 == (2 :: Double) < 1402252359 223985 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1402252379 489398 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 / 7 * 7 == (2 :: Double) < 1402252381 250936 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1402252390 118203 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 / 163 * 163 == (2 :: Double) < 1402252391 917257 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1402252413 28431 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really would have expected rounding error to kick in at some point there. < 1402252434 408713 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [k | k<-[1..], recip k * k /= 1] < 1402252436 135860 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1402252442 822561 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [k | k<-[1..], recip k * k /= 1] < 1402252444 658008 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [49.0,98.0,103.0,107.0,161.0,187.0,196.0,197.0,206.0,214.0,237.0,239.0,249.0... < 1402252475 73139 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 / 49 * 49 == (2 :: Double) < 1402252476 812417 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1402252521 214334 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402252533 858008 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, proof by contradiction. Suppose that 2/3 is rational. < 1402252537 808095 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating point inaccuracies < 1402252545 872642 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Ok < 1402252548 811857 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there must exist integers a and b such that 2/3 = a/b. < 1402252556 608934 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1402252559 278502 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without loss of generality, let's assume that b = 3. < 1402252564 824705 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1402252597 476445 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, we have this series for 2/3: 0.6 + 0.066 + 0.0006666 + 0.000000066666666 + ... < 1402252631 829559 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The terms are rational numbers with denominators 10, 1000, 10000000, and so on. 10^(2^n-1) or whatever. < 1402252636 277046 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1402252680 414052 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, consider the... third partial sum of this series, I guess. Which is 0.6666666. < 1402252702 825824 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :6666666/10000000 < 1402252723 802963 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiplying this by 10000000, we get 6666666, and then the rest of the series is like 0.66666666 + 0.000000006666666666666666 + ... < 1402252736 734949 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit < 1402252741 365126 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1402252757 659615 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, is 2/3 * 10000000 an integer? < 1402252769 301486 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's assume that 2/3 * 10000000 is an integer. < 1402252772 110573 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402252781 536712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1402252800 625104 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the difference between 2/3 * 10000000 and 6666666 must be an integer, too, so the rest of the series has to converge to an integer. < 1402252808 189896 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the rest of the series clearly converges to something between 0 and 1. < 1402252811 771723 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a contradiction. < 1402252829 520531 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have, therefore, proved that 2/3 * 10000000 is not an integer. < 1402252853 200094 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a proof that the series converges to something between 0 and 1? < 1402252873 184122 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quod non erat demonstrandum. < 1402252879 673659 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: that's an open problem. < 1402252880 649665 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that it does, but just stating that isn't rigorous < 1402252918 463006 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A new proof that 83 is prime" http://cr.yp.to/talks/2003.03.23/slides.pdf < 1402252918 697232 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402252950 664472 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :Guest98952 < 1402252981 7741 :Guest98952!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402253010 27140 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a proof 2 is prime? < 1402253020 604550 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1402253055 80818 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit < 1402253073 833449 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :applybot, find_theorems "prime 2" < 1402253075 116956 :applybot!~applybot@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric : *** ML_antiquotation "thm": bad arguments < 1402253078 804890 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be ridiculous. 2 is divisible by 2. < 1402253088 912769 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :applybot, find_theorems "prime 2" < 1402253089 670474 :applybot!~applybot@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric : Primes.two_is_prime_int: prime 2 \ Primes.two_is_prime_nat: prime 2 \ (and 1 more) < 1402253199 776769 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Proof: Define R as the ring[...]" i like where this is going < 1402253610 24212 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402253943 332492 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, what if we multiply by 30000000 instead. Then the rest of the series is like 1.99999997 + 0.000000019999999999999997 + ... or whatever. < 1402253950 639294 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is less than 1, so 2/3 is irrational. < 1402253953 793439 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you play mi-go-scientific-card or scopone-scientific card? I know the latter game at least. ("Scopone" is Italian for "big broom". Did you know that?) < 1402254000 83840 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Is that how the proof is supposed to work? < 1402254020 271262 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1402254031 880807 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't looks like it to me? < 1402254050 232403 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it *doesn't* work. < 1402254055 152544 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's *supposed* to. < 1402254260 126679 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Are you sure that 1 shouldn't be a 2? < 1402254274 111726 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: it's definitely a 1, yeah. < 1402254291 781273 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And those 7s should be 8s. < 1402254301 1121 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest of the series is exactly 2, in fact. < 1402254308 339179 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 0 < 2 < 1, so 2/3 is irrational. < 1402254339 916589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is an infinite sum series supposed to be left-associative or right-associative or what? < 1402254435 830899 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right-associative, I guess. < 1402254460 719987 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sum of an infinite series is equal to the series's first term plus the sum of the rest of the series. < 1402254471 740334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1402254484 268223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is what I thought, but I wasn't sure < 1402254489 173208 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not the case that the sum of an infinite series is equal to the series's last term plus the sum of the rest of the series. < 1402254496 164273 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because an infinite series doesn't have a last term. < 1402254546 852246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEs I know that < 1402254600 762094 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, what the Helsinki was I doing. Something unrelated to IRC, I'm sure. < 1402254602 88366 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bye) < 1402254603 24863 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: tswett < 1402254670 6081 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1402254778 576273 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402255237 220106 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :k. < 1402255247 782338 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I've also written the guy with the github bancstar repo < 1402255269 992125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: OK, hopefully that help < 1402255574 467473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anyone else can help me to guess some of the BANCSTAR functions? < 1402255995 766249 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is BANCSTAR? < 1402256077 587163 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of t he domain-specific languages of ghost stories programmers bring up around the campfire < 1402256161 968486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: There is a Wikipedia article about it, also linking to some other information. Based on this, I have figured out some of it, and made guesses as to some other parts of it. < 1402256212 752603 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ventures and go check the wikipédia article... < 1402256244 466575 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION closes the tab. “I wasn't meant for looking at that.” < 1402256316 966642 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I agree with the ghost story part of that kvikkalkullike language. < 1402256342 694551 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1402256497 162479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You weren't meant for looking at that? < 1402256547 242804 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to salvage and protect my sanity from stuff like that. < 1402256666 143959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402257330 484166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett There's gotta be a word for numbers that can be written as a series of rational numbers where the ratio between successive terms approaches 0. <-- my hunch is on "real" hth < 1402257330 950505 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1402257393 573350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it would be a bit more interesting if it wasn't. < 1402257394 38157 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but oerjan, e's irrationality obvious generalizes < 1402257413 733774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is that all that is used in the proof of that? < 1402257445 586052 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when nooodl tried giving a cauchy sequence for pi tswett took it as proving any real is irrational, as far as i'm reading < 1402257462 602423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1402257483 463696 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/bah.png is a bit of a let-down though. < 1402257515 766901 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the two and gates one) < 1402257539 78389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure the proof for e must use that the ratios are integers... < 1402257540 362012 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i don't know if cauchy sequences and the ratio thing are equivalent, i guess < 1402257635 449878 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Quit: EXTRUDED CHICKEN < 1402257637 610513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know _every_ real number has plenty of cauchy sequences, right < 1402257655 261860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, a definition of them. < 1402257695 396622 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1402257706 81958 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i don't know is whether tswett is right, but i kind of doubt it < 1402257957 752082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose he might be right that it implies they're irrational, there are some approximation theorems < 1402258001 454709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Observe: 2/3 = 0.6 + 0.066 + 0.0006666 + 0.000000066666666 + ... <-- oh hm < 1402258014 609848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he just basically disproved it there. < 1402258016 857004 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just, yeah, i'm pretty sure that sums to 2/3 and has a ratio < 1402258023 62228 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but he was acting like it didn't? i don't know < 1402258040 961989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure he was joking about 2/3 being irrational hth < 1402258057 612106 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, i meant about nooodl's thing < 1402258125 498099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett never mind, should have read further < 1402258125 821008 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1402260044 643574 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also 1/2 = 1/3 + 1/9 + 1/27 ... < 1402260074 514363 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a constant ratio of 3, no < 1402260102 992994 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1402260991 889525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you write 1/2 in ternary as 0.1111... and _then_ use that grouping trick, you can get something with 3^n denominators. < 1402261105 835761 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1402261409 483333 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402261689 251109 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402262693 357062 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18579.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Quit: Tritonio < 1402262709 407670 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18579.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1402262908 981905 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1402263022 852922 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To handle a molecule containing one or more cycles, one must first expand it into a tree (called a hierarchical digraph by the authors)" < 1402263350 152165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hierographs < 1402263506 123920 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've got greater trochanteric pain syndrome :( < 1402263593 808399 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrifying < 1402263697 197647 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402264022 577399 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402264112 525463 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402264112 719769 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402264468 855562 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402264877 805079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402265358 353081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402265398 733318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402265666 74125 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402265710 968777 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402269430 350809 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402270215 926552 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402271150 170995 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1402271284 323889 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402271401 580297 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402272778 623363 :Jakob__!557ec73a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.126.199.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402272846 649427 :Jakob__!557ec73a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.126.199.58 QUIT :Client Quit < 1402273609 606267 :Leb!c92595b9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.37.149.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402273637 913212 :Leb!c92595b9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.37.149.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust loop ({<})%-1 < 1402273647 859036 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Leb_loop: 0.0 < 1402274455 385179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just < < 1402274464 605535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik. < 1402274689 272603 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust +[>+]<[-] < 1402274689 529244 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1402274697 857218 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust Useless +[>+]<[-] < 1402274700 503983 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for FreeFull_Useless: 0.0 < 1402274731 289623 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 wins! < 1402274771 678931 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Charlie the Unicorn 4?!? < 1402275202 728296 :Leb!c92595b9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.37.149.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust loop ((()*-1)*-1{.}((((()*-1)*-1{.}(()*-1)*-1)%-1)*-1)*-1)%-1 < 1402275297 707080 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402275429 262763 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a second one? < 1402275638 289054 :Leb!c92595b9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.37.149.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so he dealt with the first one by overflow, but nesting it means that solution is not fast enough. < 1402275671 273564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a simple solution :p < 1402275853 685287 :Leb!c92595b9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.37.149.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, there is, but it's not implemented yet. Which means it's still going ( http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/breakdown.txt ), so I think that means someone needs to manually stop it before it's usable again < 1402275930 270430 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there good languages [as an average #esoteric'er considers good languages, excluding me] that use co-operative multithreading where the points of possible loss of control are obvious? < 1402276368 317200 :Leb!c92595b9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.37.149.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh look, there's a simulator on http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/ . Hey, (()*-1)*-1 already takes forever. Yup, that definately needs a manual override. < 1402276378 321346 :Leb!c92595b9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.37.149.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust broken [ < 1402276447 928155 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402276459 281234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: any language with coroutines < 1402276503 345084 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but there's the kind where the yield etc. can be abstracted away behind a function call without any indication that that is the case... or is that called something else? < 1402276525 158788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: so you want a language where you can't abstract? < 1402276541 272473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any language with coroutines and no functions or macros < 1402276543 111094 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1402276544 28155 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, wait, i thought yield was usually a lexical thing < 1402276565 940363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course usually something that yields will be a coroutine unto itself < 1402276574 809751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., see Python's generators < 1402276622 756705 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I want the abstraction but not the fact that it's yielding to be abstracted.... e.g. what Bike said as a requirement < 1402276635 77843 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, Python's newer generators, Javascript generators, etc. < 1402276648 572105 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# < 1402276652 235298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a normal coroutine system satisfies your requirements if I understand them. < 1402276681 932572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at, I don't know, Modula-2 or something < 1402276731 804291 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do something like def foo: yield; def bar: foo()? man i haven't used python in a while < 1402276773 219549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: def foo(): { yield None } means that foo() will be an object with a .next() < 1402276788 790982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Python's syntax for this really sucks. "if you say yield in a function the whole thing is actually not the function it looks like") < 1402276803 227862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it should at least be, like, "def gen foo():" or something.) < 1402276924 352408 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python used to suck worse with generators, though < 1402276946 58757 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, I think it did, maybe I just didn't know how to abstract properly < 1402278637 488271 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402278805 671984 :Leb!c92595b9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.37.149.185 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1402279411 387072 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1402279420 341563 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1402279518 514298 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402279625 952049 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Client Quit < 1402279758 542560 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402279867 310259 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402279871 677977 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Changing host < 1402279871 871932 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402280116 556619 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402280156 571245 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is a comment about Go doing in this? < 1402280157 39534 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/Sgeo/morgue-Sgeo-20120422-081744.txt < 1402280175 593204 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1402280176 172066 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp < 1402280192 676655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real question is why you fought a D:1 gnoll, as a transmuter, with a club < 1402280206 270750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow I do not remember watching this game at all < 1402280259 422308 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember playing it. < 1402280264 252392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the other real question is why you're looking at the log of a D:1 game from april two years ago < 1402280283 831602 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it was my most recent < 1402280489 671339 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is D:1? < 1402280809 432513 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dungeon level 1 < 1402280984 120502 :vyv!~vyv@70.50.95.141 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402281068 70739 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean? < 1402281068 543194 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-2925118941.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402281106 380966 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402281212 849129 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the first floor of a building called a Dungeon. < 1402281527 545069 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insei, well at least that would explain the Go angle. < 1402281597 605466 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but good night, I'll probably dream of crazy p and n gates. < 1402282246 605432 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402282318 608152 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back. So, someone fixed the bfjoust bot? < 1402282336 832864 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust broken [ < 1402282416 72286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe it was ever broken? < 1402282624 353044 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402282646 101771 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust loop (()*-1)*-1 < 1402282705 378930 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/breakdown.txt < 1402283268 834700 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402283874 407734 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402284198 715077 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot, perform the action which fixes bfjoust bot. < 1402284239 259799 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1707 < 1402284257 539026 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I again ask fungot to perform the action which fixes bfjoustbot, presuming the name is in fact case sensitive. < 1402284257 847317 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: but what did you do this?" at http://paste.lisp.org/ display/ 918 < 1402284295 727351 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that lisp code must be able to fix it. < 1402284853 627541 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1402285251 403698 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402285905 982656 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I am way too used to Python < 1402285931 205164 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still annoying that var hasOwnProperty = Object.prototype.hasOwnProperty.call; itself needs .call on it < 1402286490 487388 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402286942 22889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised JS people haven't started using custom dictionary types. < 1402286947 231835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its objects are totally unsuited. < 1402287016 923209 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's going to be a Map type in ES6 I think < 1402287061 481503 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Key equality is based on the "same-value" algorithm: NaN is considered the same as NaN (even though NaN !== NaN) and all other values are considered equal according to the semantics of the === operator." < 1402287069 495697 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yet another type of equality < 1402287290 313397 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1402287395 643097 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, I should at some point go implement my horrible hack to get do notation into Javascript < 1402287717 589395 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1402287914 883655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :float keys in a map are such a fantastic idea. < 1402288109 659642 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1402288517 309591 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1402289343 984596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402290163 59351 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402290695 26764 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402291190 109872 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402292773 192827 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Warpdrive14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39777&oldid=39775 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+153) 10No accessible infinite memory. => !TC < 1402293125 51103 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402293451 345734 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1402294836 176349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402295132 220859 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402295708 278941 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402295865 467004 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18579.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402296311 953275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have idea, which would be, can it be done a kind of music compression (lossless, and compressing the note sequence, not the audio), such that nice classical-style music and other kind of nice music result in better compression? < 1402296749 663633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wat < < 1402296779 734802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo hi < 1402296780 937384 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1402296913 924077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh look, there's a simulator on http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/ . Hey, (()*-1)*-1 already takes forever. Yup, that definately needs a manual override. <-- pretty sure those don't use the same implementation. < 1402297602 376756 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, something in the line of _The Complexity of Songs_ by Don Knuth? < 1402297656 566254 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Warpdrive14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39778&oldid=39777 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+25) 10that's a bit long to hide in an example < 1402297686 615282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the songs of complexity < 1402297741 808640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I have not heard of that. < 1402298946 547994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some C functions take a "reentrancy structure"; what is a reentrancy structure? < 1402298948 903982 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402299225 552228 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402299303 44429 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: joe loughry wrote back < 1402299327 120581 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no official documentation of the BANCStar numerical language < 1402299366 407787 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :BANCStar was shipped with a BANCStar Generator which allowed you to create stuff < 1402299391 402876 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the BANCStar Generator was not as powerful as the underlying numerical language < 1402299415 631071 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why people started reverse engineering BANCSTar to be ablo to program in the numeric language to be able to do more powerful stuff < 1402299496 867592 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He may be able to get the source code of his LIST tool he wrote back then < 1402299509 657798 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which appears to be some kind of "disassembler" for BANCStar) < 1402299519 564040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: That would be good; I would like the source code of the LIST tool if available. < 1402299527 886456 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'd have to reverse engineer BANCSTar from LIST < 1402299534 286266 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I knew what the LIST tool was once you mentioned it.) < 1402299593 993543 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I knew that there was no documentation of the BANCStar numerical language. However, I was wondering if the screen generator or the BANCSTAR system itself had any documentation which can be made available. < 1402299627 982830 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :More scanned pages of the program may also be helpful. < 1402299636 798017 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll ask him :) < 1402299639 47225 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are basically all compilers based on abstract syntax trees? < 1402299666 165946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :diginet: I don't think so < 1402299681 220142 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, really? interesting, do you know of any counterexamples? < 1402299699 172221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure. < 1402299726 679842 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more specifically in that case, (ignoring things like optimizations) do mostly all compilers which use ASTs work by walking the AST and "translating" the nodes from source to target language? < 1402299775 417758 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the answer to that. Some might do that without actually generating the AST. < 1402299809 494629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I believe SQLite does not generate the AST, although it otherwise does something similar. It compiles SQL into VDBE.) < 1402299874 983949 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :diginet: as opposed to what, operating "directly" on source text? < 1402299902 424779 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most compiler operations don't have much to do with the syntax. < 1402299915 170685 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm not sure actually, I can't really see any nice way to compile without an AST < 1402299938 407104 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the more important question is the second one < 1402299960 555565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the OASYS compiler uses a recursive descent parser and generates the target code when the parser matches something. < 1402299992 849050 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time things aren't context-free enough for a simple "walk" to work. consider, like, that a C compiler has to remember forward declarations, that kind of thing. < 1402299993 571898 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402300025 210979 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does one pass count as non-AST? < 1402300080 403794 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. you use a parser library that can call code if it matched IDENT `+=` INT SEMICOLON? < 1402300119 535960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Won't a parser library generally do that, or am I missing something somehow? < 1402300137 457307 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Create a tree? < 1402300144 341636 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402300151 330455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that yacc and Lemon can call code when matching, anyways. < 1402300173 624229 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bison & Flex too < 1402300191 379707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1402300199 915955 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Brainfuck should pretty much be compilable without a real tree < 1402300211 3878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I myself prefer Lemon; I don't know your own preferences.) < 1402300234 734930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: You would only need to keep track of loop nesting. You can use a stack for that, though < 1402300245 973198 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i would have used a stack for that, yeh < 1402300247 507854 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402300251 364856 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :push the label number < 1402300269 400077 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do "jmp " ++ pop() on ] < 1402300284 399513 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or jiz, jnz whatever) < 1402300331 925764 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1402300339 307603 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402300340 196076 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :String replacement languages don't need a tree too I guess < 1402300342 459485 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1402300347 307355 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can compile them line by line < 1402300361 244252 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they have no "loop" other than after the last line you re-run it < 1402300376 437907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes implementation of IF ... THEN and other block structures in Forth are also using the stack; it will create an empty cell and push the address when IF is compiled, and then pop it and store the current address at the popped address when THEN is compiled. < 1402300393 422702 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ASM probably doesn't need a tree too < 1402300427 710879 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to keep track of adresses and allocate enough space to insert jumps and adresses once you know them < 1402300492 579948 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :An assembler I wrote for my school project inserts LOAD32 R0, XXXX; JMP R0; and remembers that XXXXX has to be replaced by the address of label ZZZ < 1402300508 206646 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and once it knows where that label is it will replace XXXX < 1402300606 947694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and ELSE does both) < 1402300608 44045 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402300635 12697 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-23-36.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1402300671 358535 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-23-36.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1402300671 552484 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402300753 572827 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel confident saying that not all compilers use ASTs. :) < 1402300754 822814 :nortti!nortti@109.74.197.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402300757 335184 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1402300962 484608 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402300982 545981 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me that I still haven't written a compiler for my language that targets x86 < 1402301057 552063 :Froox!~Frooxius@217.196.214.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402301132 381423 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402301135 524053 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1402301142 84703 :Froox!~Frooxius@217.196.214.101 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402301144 838250 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402301279 499482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402301300 405299 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402301462 400729 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402301504 518140 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1402301854 313565 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402302378 399650 :monotone_!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1402302395 743330 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402302575 611995 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402302653 968993 :mtve-!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402302677 724526 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402302762 537332 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402303412 556476 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402304025 691951 :password2!~password@197.78.175.43 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402304974 407449 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Stasis14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39779 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+542) 10Too static ? < 1402305142 679170 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1402305279 238223 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402305279 469128 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@183.181.16.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402306107 298322 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Stasis14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39780&oldid=39779 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+187) 10Hm < 1402306311 990644 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402306479 932577 :mtve-!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net NICK :mtve < 1402306706 553489 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1402306951 548488 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@183.181.16.72 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402308498 427964 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402309817 633944 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402310370 538212 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1402310981 555967 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402311496 423909 :password2!~password@197.78.175.43 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402311673 164675 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1402311808 251813 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402311838 615884 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1402312333 547707 :Fenn3!4d3a2682@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.58.38.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402312347 499630 :Fenn3!4d3a2682@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.58.38.130 PART :#esoteric < 1402312646 576095 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1402314647 409820 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402315192 535204 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402315427 569545 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402315619 410420 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402315979 544468 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402316174 939865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402316588 92321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402316890 750279 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1402317112 412288 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402317336 248696 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.198.49 QUIT :Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) < 1402317617 665426 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.198.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402317868 361590 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402318286 37077 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tqvkuxqsynqzzrce QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1402318631 369850 :general_cryptic!~shannon@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402319269 636048 :scheurneus!d55d1d1f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.93.29.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402319283 702956 :scheurneus!d55d1d1f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.93.29.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello all < 1402319380 608814 :sign!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h QUIT :Quit: Here we are, going far to save all that we love - If we give all we've got, we will make it through - Here we are, like a star shining bright on your world - Today, make evil go away! < 1402319438 380151 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402319537 668374 :scheurneus!d55d1d1f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.93.29.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1402319538 63549 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1402319566 422877 :scheurneus!d55d1d1f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.93.29.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_textgen Hello, World! < 1402319574 968587 :scheurneus!d55d1d1f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.93.29.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello, World! < 1402319579 164206 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​129 ++++++++++++++[>+++++>+++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+++.+++++++..+++.>++.------------.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>----. [378] < 1402319587 845073 :scheurneus!d55d1d1f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.93.29.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1402319588 96385 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1402319603 673615 :scheurneus!d55d1d1f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.93.29.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf8 ++++++++++++++[>+++++>+++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+++.+++++++..+++.>++.------------.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>----. < 1402319605 376332 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, World! < 1402319615 14186 :scheurneus!d55d1d1f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.93.29.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf32 ++++++++++++++[>+++++>+++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+++.+++++++..+++.>++.------------.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>----. < 1402319615 440579 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, World! < 1402320007 664259 :scheurneus!d55d1d1f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.93.29.31 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1402320119 23944 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf8 ++++[>++++++++<-]>+>+[<.>[>+<-]>[<++>-]<] < 1402320119 492949 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!!!!!!!! < 1402320122 391544 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf16 ++++[>++++++++<-]>+>+[<.>[>+<-]>[<++>-]<] < 1402320122 835982 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!!!!!!!! < 1402320141 111791 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it cheats! < 1402320156 291773 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf32 ++++[>++++++++<-]>+>+[<.>[>+<-]>[<++>-]<] < 1402320156 724347 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!!!!!!!! < 1402320383 722945 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf8 -. < 1402320384 277294 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ < 1402320392 899494 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf16 -. < 1402320393 275746 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ < 1402320450 894122 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, so what does that mean? < 1402320506 457998 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's bfN? < 1402320522 376501 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming brainfuck with N-bit cells. < 1402320540 572254 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1402320579 252786 :general_cryptic!~shannon@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402320588 638710 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was my guess as well, but it looks like no? < 1402320653 15059 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence "it cheats!" < 1402320691 959638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regarding the "-." output, that could well be brainfuck with N-bit cells and just . limited to 8-bit output. < 1402320733 196095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A single 0xff byte is what came out both times, after all. < 1402320749 706154 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what I did should have printed 8 and 16 exclamation marks, and a timeout. < 1402320863 324617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, a times-two loop. Yes, that's more like a proof. < 1402321082 924933 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402321527 519454 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402321838 360870 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402321895 633057 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402322826 19979 :Jakob__!557ec73a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.126.199.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402322831 779072 :Jakob__!557ec73a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.126.199.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1402322852 349288 :Jakob__!557ec73a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.126.199.58 QUIT :Client Quit < 1402323264 233568 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help bf16 < 1402323264 588127 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Sorry, I have no help for bf16! < 1402323567 227431 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402323570 670349 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402323990 122219 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402324255 620799 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402324656 620444 :scheurneus!d55d1d1f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.93.29.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402326223 915483 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402326308 408908 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402326927 406566 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402328800 430792 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402329043 300070 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1402329052 993770 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402329078 320498 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402329128 622515 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402329277 824241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't hate BC/AD because it is not corresponding precisely to Christ's birth; October also is not the eighth month. Don't hate BC/AD because it is religious; so are the month names and day of week names. < 1402329334 943174 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who hates BC/AD? < 1402329407 119605 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.116.206 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402329424 329121 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.116.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402329428 268408 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, some people do, I think... < 1402329444 64620 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what's worse than BC/AD? BCD. < 1402329452 980568 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what's even worse < 1402329463 8119 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discrimination against left-handed people < 1402329469 744310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people like to use the terms BCE and CE, which I find to be a bit more confusing < 1402329482 340451 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"right" also means "lawful/good/correct" < 1402329497 804439 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's very discriminating against left-handed people < 1402329521 439188 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402329536 350809 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's BCE? < 1402329538 608643 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.116.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because left-handed people are the devil? < 1402329548 464512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: BCE = "before common era" < 1402329549 389834 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402329563 577776 :general_cryptic_!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402329566 219636 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :subleq: yeah < 1402329568 34281 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1402329592 625161 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402329653 430870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia uses CE/BCE as a matter of policy, doesn't it? < 1402329770 550816 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall reading about that < 1402329774 312333 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't know; I think I may have seen both (and I don't really have intention to change from one to the other, unless using both set of terms causes confusion?) < 1402329774 512583 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use something :) < 1402329844 209883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it was just a proposal; I don't want to read through the entirety of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/BCE-CE_Debate to figure out. < 1402329868 500255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found it easily by typing WP:BCE < 1402329937 74045 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with the things mentioned at WP:BCE < 1402329975 633497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BP notation was new for me. < 1402330045 118130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely remember there's an Asimov story where the year "1 AE" is "the first year of Atomic Era", corresponding to 1945 AD/CE or something. < 1402330388 400830 :scheurneus!d55d1d1f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.93.29.31 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1402330407 638484 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BytePusher14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39781&oldid=37348 5* 03Nucular 5* (+51) 10Added link to JsBP JavaScript VM < 1402330500 146325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1402330838 565887 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402330880 892469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the unary XOR in INTERCAL be used for converting a number into a Gray code? < 1402331110 688329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer astronomical year numbering rather than BC, AD, BCE, CE, AE, etc anyways < 1402331125 424424 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think is more sensible < 1402331516 516348 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: IIRC Orion’s Arm numbers years from the first moon landing or something. < 1402331627 580645 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CE/AD argument is funny because it's like GODDAMN SECULARISTS, COUNTING FROM THE BIRTH OF JESUS < 1402331669 756847 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, counting from a couple years after the bith of jesus < 1402331781 692629 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xactly < 1402332080 507927 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Yes, that is my first argument. Bike's is my second argument. < 1402332452 290206 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18579.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1402332699 319782 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer moon calendar < 1402332720 367272 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just makes more sense < 1402332921 360405 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402332973 210004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use whatever calendar you want to, but Gregorian calendar is now the common one and you should know how to deal with it. (You may also deal with UNIX time) < 1402333073 515872 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: which moon calendar? < 1402333137 624769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, which moon calendar do you like? < 1402333210 461086 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally, I'd like a solar calendar of 13 months, with all but one being 28 days < 1402333212 796353 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lunar one < 1402333222 423943 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should use a compromise calendar in which a month is half a lunar month plus one 24th of a solar year. < 1402333344 484230 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, can every positive integer be written as a sum of distinct fractions 1/n where n is a positive integer? < 1402333361 724952 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's gotta be possible. < 1402333497 143396 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402333497 382464 :general_cryptic_!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402333545 746719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you prove it? < 1402333557 630337 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1402333562 342616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1402333590 998280 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I think it is true too < 1402333681 416998 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402333681 939589 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh shucks, the fact that R has no non-trivial field automorphisms is actually pretty easy to prove? < 1402333706 426609 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently every field automorphism of R must send positive numbers to positive numbers. < 1402333708 310454 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1402333710 103834 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are non-trivial field automorphisms? < 1402333720 315988 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Field automorphisms that aren't the identity function. < 1402333776 169548 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would it have to send positive numbers to positive numbers? < 1402333797 715396 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. Because a number is positive if and only if it's a nonzero square. < 1402333927 40639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In real numbers, yes I can see it must be < 1402333985 32493 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang, here I was thinking that positivity wasn't really an algebraic property. But clearly it is. < 1402334010 984310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it can be seen that it is! < 1402334020 541537 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the real numbers, at least. < 1402334037 855586 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, let's simplify things. There are five numbers: 0, 1, 2, 3, and 4. < 1402334040 48362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the property you mentioned is only for real numbers, clearly < 1402334042 876404 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 + 1 = 0. < 1402334073 85527 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so do you mean it is modulo five system? < 1402334081 36590 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1*1 = 1, 2*2 = 4, 3*3 = 4, and 4*4 = 1. So the positive numbers are 1 and 4. < 1402334082 721822 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1402334098 610205 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, -1 = 4 and -2 = 3. < 1402334106 626457 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 1 and -1 are positive, while 2 and -2 are negative. Makes sense. < 1402334190 832429 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I think that doesn't make sense after all. < 1402334218 168064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does look a strange definition of "positive" and "negative" < 1402334240 866019 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, let's move up a bit. Seven numbers: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. 1*1 = 1, 2*2 = 4, 3*3 = 2, 4*4 = 2, 5*5 = 4, 6*6 = 1. So 1, 2, and 4 are positive. Meanwhile, -1 = 6, -2 = 5, and -4 = 3 are negative. < 1402334241 440298 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although clearly it does have the properties you assert them to have in that context. < 1402334260 648969 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like having the property that the opposite of a positive number is negative and vice versa. < 1402334513 542283 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The endomorphism ring of the multiplication group of Z7 is Z6. (Let's call that the "exponent ring" of Z7.) < 1402334557 348387 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z6 doesn't really have a multiplication group, since it has zero divisors. It has a multiplication monoid. < 1402334605 3699 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero < 1402334965 32546 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Course, Z7 has a multiplication monoid, too. Let's look at its endomorphisms. < 1402335009 320133 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the endomorphisms of the multiplication monoid are still the same. They're Z6. < 1402335076 860214 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1402335136 804384 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about the endomorphism ring of the multiplication monoid of Z6? Well, said monoid has identity element 1, and it's generated by 2, 3, and 5. Morphisms are fully determined by what they do to generators, aye? < 1402335215 774746 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402335221 400400 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, hang on. I think the multiplication monoid of Z7 actually has an extra endomorphism. There's one mapping 0 onto 0 and everything else onto 1, and one mapping everything onto 1. < 1402335463 45109 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former could be called 6 and the latter could be called 0. Then it's an un-quotient of Z6, where the only way to write 0 as a sum is as 0 + 0, and 0 * x is 0 for all x, and 6 * x is 6 for all non-0 x. Aye? < 1402335507 511631 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402335652 311093 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit < 1402335808 3562 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric : Say, can every positive integer be written as a sum of distinct fractions 1/n where n is a positive integer? < 1402335809 848319 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ a finite sum? < 1402335958 220920 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: I think the answer is yes < 1402335975 166511 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_fractions < 1402337028 280074 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18579.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402337217 860791 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402337421 473702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I get rid of the warning to cast a pointer to a integer of a different size? In this specific case, I don't care if the size of a pointer is larger or smaller or equal to the size of long long integers. < 1402337815 687780 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Class < 1402338120 246628 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know, does casting in two steps (via size_t) help? < 1402338141 387776 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes maybe that will help < 1402338239 185875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it works < 1402339296 239750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402339575 910729 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39782&oldid=39730 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+12) 10/* Current brainfuck extensions to go back to. */ < 1402339626 118509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: isn't intptr_t more appropriate < 1402339843 856904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : well, what I did should have printed 8 and 16 exclamation marks, and a timeout. <-- shocking < 1402340438 370044 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's 16-bit brainfuck but with deadfish wrapping, where 256 goes back to 0!! < 1402340439 288181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: psst ordering doesn't make sense in fields of non-zero characteristic hth < 1402340459 815152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which includes all finite ones < 1402340496 867800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: does that wrapped deadfish come with chips < 1402340567 562512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett psst ordering doesn't make sense in fields of non-zero characteristic. which includes all finite ones hth < 1402340567 923317 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1402340609 104735 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who says I want ordering? < 1402340616 469410 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fine with the sum of two positive numbers being negative. < 1402340621 270875 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1402340623 748511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1402340848 842933 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402340946 362742 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, great idea. Esolang where there are keywords defining program structure, but the keywords don't have to nest correctly. < 1402341046 822900 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if Ready then while Yellow do PokeSomething else RunAround endif EatCake endwhile" < 1402341069 952180 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't Pascal have that? < 1402341082 695976 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I've heard of. < 1402341093 953221 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, Haskell has every possible control structure. < 1402341135 372809 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell doesn't have any control structures; you can make it up instead, out of computable mathematics. < 1402341161 811371 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't "if" count < 1402341242 251442 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if is syntactic sugar < 1402341292 765625 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say Haskell only has case ... of ... as control structure < 1402341295 465342 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme doesn't have any control structures, you can make them yourself out of call/cc, lambdas, and arrogance < 1402341296 580281 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :for case ... of { True -> ...; False -> ... }? < 1402341325 536674 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nod, nooodle < 1402341330 827040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote scheme doesn't have any control structures, you can make them yourself out of call/cc, lambdas, and arrogance < 1402341333 84941 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1205) scheme doesn't have any control structures, you can make them yourself out of call/cc, lambdas, and arrogance < 1402341347 739458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :case-of is totally a control structure < 1402341391 268003 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should figure out call/cc < 1402341396 774678 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case statements are definitely syntactic sugar. < 1402341415 709167 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really scary?? also the Cont monad < 1402341417 682841 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1402341426 402486 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1402341451 712872 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402341453 153769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: Cont seems less scary < 1402341491 481251 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think when I was playing with linear logic, I found that Cont, State, and Store are three vertices of a square. < 1402341508 326197 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-ioczsplqdzhwkovp QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402341528 453381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: How does that work? < 1402341544 69637 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :State s a = s -> (s, a) and Store s a = (s, s -> a). So clearly there's a dual relationship there. < 1402341550 615621 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just swap the (s,) and the (s ->). < 1402341641 358542 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, Cont s a = (a -> s) -> s. Using ~ to represent the dual operator and | to represent the par operator, (a -> s) -> s = ~(a -> s) | s = ~(~a | s) | s = (~~a, ~s) | s = (a, ~s) | s. < 1402341682 579439 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that if you swap s and ~s, this becomes (a, s) | ~s = ~s | (a, s) = s -> (a, s), which is State. < 1402341694 260199 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Cont and State are also in a certain dual relationship. < 1402341723 434945 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fourth corner of the square is (~s, ~s -> a) or (~s, s | a). < 1402341744 750119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think State and Store are dual because they both arise from the same adjoint functors, but composed in opposite order. this is only possible because those functors are from Hask to itself. (at least this analogy works for Set.) < 1402341760 51090 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right. The same is true of Cont and this fourth corner, I believe. < 1402341791 675587 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With State and Store, the functors are (s ->) and (s,). With Cont and the fourth corner, the corners are (s |) and (~s,). < 1402341796 872268 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/corners/functors/ < 1402341810 634652 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay Cont isn't very scary < 1402341814 67666 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, neither of those can be interpreted in Hask any more. I think. < 1402341818 606123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Cont the functors are being Hask and Hask^op, iirc < 1402341833 222432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so Cont is actually _self_-dual. < 1402341857 217067 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :callCC isn't very scary either?? the yin-yang puzzle still is < 1402341861 512076 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to my linear logic, the dual of Cont is something other than Cont. < 1402341862 768971 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But uh. < 1402341873 465908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dual is a comonad on Hask^op, which is a monad on Hask, which is Cont itself. < 1402341904 768313 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not instantly obvious to me why the dual is a comonad on Hask^op. < 1402341933 877598 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you tell me what the functors between Hask and Hask^op are? < 1402341935 426871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: when you have adjoint functors between categories A and B, you get a monad on A and a comonad on B. < 1402341946 399708 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe yin-yang is also implemented as one of the Unlambda example programs < 1402341948 948637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1402341956 438395 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds right so far. < 1402341966 915693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure about that comonad part < 1402341984 657288 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're right. < 1402341985 126277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all very vaguely recalled < 1402341994 352772 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But do you remember what functors Cont decomposes into? < 1402342032 951702 :melliflous!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402342035 68742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cont r a = Cont ((a -> r) -> r), the functors are both (a -> r) < 1402342044 250486 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh. < 1402342050 150576 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1402342073 674099 :melliflous!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402342087 921669 :mellifluous!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402342106 859960 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what I'm doing is a different decomposition of what's really a different monad that I'm writing the same way for the sake of confusion. < 1402342200 996375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay :P < 1402342226 984474 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my monad could also be decomposed your way. < 1402342233 507579 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my decomposition is into covariant functors. < 1402342248 215977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1402342269 16566 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I'm using linear logic operators, meaning my decomposition has to be interpreted in a... < 1402342274 571068 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of those categories you can interpret linear logic in. < 1402342276 119025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe linear logic is its own opposite category or something... < 1402342310 229623 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A symmetric monoidal category ATWP. < 1402342321 490512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? atwp < 1402342322 254202 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atwp? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1402342332 9835 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402342334 55654 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Wikipedia. < 1402342339 554538 :M28_!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402342358 422524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad can also be made from Free, Codensity, CodensityAsk, etc, for example Cont r = Codensity (Const r) and Either x = CodensityAsk (Traced x) and so on. < 1402342369 79747 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-waafkiljjfxrfiwu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402342389 782812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, [] = Codensity Endo < 1402342393 184586 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, I don't know what Codensity, Const, CodensityAsk, and Traced are. < 1402342395 324600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo According to Wikipedia, ATWP means nothing. >wisdom/atwp < 1402342395 675864 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Endo. < 1402342396 730095 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1402342430 916193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Then you must learn. < 1402342455 880143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that's not entirely true. < 1402342473 584971 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402342493 23468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but air transport white paper doesn't have its own article, at least. < 1402342539 33245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also Co, which can make a monad (or a monad transformer) from a comonad. < 1402342664 711620 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1402342802 17464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :scott aaronson about being interviewed about that turing test thing "Luckily, while an experienced judge could easily distinguish me from an AI researcher, I only needed to simulate one for a few minutes of banter." < 1402343526 492578 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402343717 554973 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402344179 431660 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402344829 586175 :password2!~password@197.78.138.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402344928 529907 :password2!~password@197.78.138.29 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1402345067 193145 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402345635 264371 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: funny, I was going to suggest intptr_t myself but then got distracted while looking for whether the C standard actually has that type. (C99 does, as an optional type in stdint.h) < 1402345922 932188 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402346086 351762 :password2!~password@197.78.138.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402346235 316441 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402346381 168171 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1402346570 614595 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402346657 568824 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402346740 596707 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust is-it-fixed? (.)*-1 < 1402347011 980410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not going to be fixed unless you ping Gregor. < 1402347086 540678 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust breakdown-says-parsing-error-on-program-not-on-report (.)*-1 < 1402347095 800298 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402347361 827152 :password2!~password@197.78.138.29 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402347373 220171 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand how the hill works. The Egobot source link gives error 500, so that's no help. < 1402347374 841881 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402347375 41244 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402347405 514653 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then Gregor should fix that probably < 1402347466 688359 :douglass!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402347720 368398 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1402347933 860284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of curiosity, does it do any good if you replace Leb_broken with something that's not broken? < 1402347986 2476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i bet you could fix it, right? < 1402347994 834495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about it. < 1402348019 822331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it's EgoBot not HackEgo. are they on the same host? < 1402348029 454242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That didn't stop me from fixing HackEgo that one time, but still. The web parts at least don't run on the machine I can access, as far as I know. < 1402348061 590554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently the bot isn't, either. < 1402348063 943638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well but !bfjoust itself is not giving any response. < 1402348116 600232 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is generating the breakdown, just not answering back on irc < 1402348183 974703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on few /whoises, EgoBot is on the same box with glogbot, which is a different one than HackEgo and the wiki. < 1402348209 818955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't think I can be of any help. < 1402348214 827479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1402348237 379067 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402348289 793317 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, my "loop" is still in "in_egobot", so maybe it's getting locked there. < 1402348365 92040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that was fixed. < 1402348392 134537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, it is fixed in newer versions of the foolance code, but maybe the hill hasn't been updated. < 1402348431 744616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Newer ones remove loops that take no cycles.) < 1402348454 78505 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can (probably) overwrite your "loop" by resubmitting something else. < 1402348477 487999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the same name, I mean. < 1402348556 667395 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Engaging in a bit of Pair Programming yay < 1402348563 836446 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enterprise, agile, what have you < 1402348581 397066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting all scrummy, eh? < 1402348606 783233 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402348627 909596 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should totally implement object-oriented programming in Coq. < 1402348663 51260 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: bye < 1402348730 243518 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_, yes you should < 1402348765 825699 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402348935 660349 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A class is simply a "state" type along with a directed acyclic graph of methods, where each method is a function taking the state and all methods pointing at it and some parameters and returning the new state and the return value. < 1402348944 448679 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup yup. < 1402349007 546754 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subclassing just means creating a new class that happens to implement the interface of the old class. < 1402349315 645918 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402349620 391169 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust loop lets see if this fixes it. < 1402349625 730509 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Leb_is-it-fixed_: 5.7 < 1402349625 930133 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Leb_broken: 0.0 < 1402349626 130770 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Leb_breakdown-says-parsing-error-on-program-not-on-report: 5.7 < 1402349626 130880 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Leb_loop: 5.7 < 1402349626 744641 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Leb_broken: 0.0 < 1402349626 945036 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Leb_loop: 5.7 < 1402349626 945223 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Leb_loop: 5.7 < 1402349627 421937 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_wat: 0.0 < 1402349636 35775 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1402349656 877113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was efficient. < 1402349733 537188 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust clear-the-breakdown-please . < 1402349736 277347 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Leb_clear-the-breakdown-please: 6.1 < 1402349787 262537 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOP is silly and shouldn't be implemented in Coq. < 1402349793 554273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "loop problem" has been fixed since Mar 23, 2013; the running code could really do with an update. < 1402349827 63160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right after Gregor updates to Quintopia's scoring method, i take. < 1402349847 939218 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what's the best syntax for multi-line comments? Is it {- -}? Is it (* *)? Is it ? < 1402349878 968013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_: -- (comment here) (more comment here) hth < 1402349883 709411 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{# #}? < 1402349901 599216 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the good ol' "pound sign on every line" multi-line comment syntax? < 1402349909 532398 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds good. < 1402349918 545483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_: what pound sign < 1402349961 601057 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :--, obviously. < 1402349969 350372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pound sign? < 1402349971 568643 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402349973 468175 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously. < 1402350004 843752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no. there's only a -- at the beginning, followed by as many multi-line parenthesized (with correct nesting) comments as you want. < 1402350009 354267 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402350010 533570 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck CYUL < 1402350013 907700 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "CYUL" ICAO airport code corresponds to MontralPierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport in Dorval, Quebec, Canada and the IATA code is "YUL." < 1402350019 265526 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1402350025 25426 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fungot. < 1402350025 225496 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and you can't tell the difference via text. < 1402350039 310380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1402350039 815202 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 092100Z 36008G15KT 30SM FEW060 FEW120 SCT240 27/12 A2993 RMK SC1AC1CI3 SC TR AC TR SLP134 DENSITY ALT 1500FT < 1402350042 115379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1402350052 545598 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain. it is overheating. < 1402350058 954501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA < 1402350059 495448 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 092120Z 01003KT 9999 FEW020 13/10 Q1023 RMK WIND 670FT 30004KT < 1402350061 97176 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just did one sunny bike ride. < 1402350082 483551 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL under natural sunlight, I can't tell the difference between a duck. < 1402350121 420745 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :between a duck and ? < 1402350139 197808 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads a paper about two-dimensional programming languages. < 1402350143 63564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: thank you for that ping. < 1402350149 671274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Please don't mind boily, he has a sun stroke | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1402350194 73838 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh hi! :D < 1402350218 934046 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: you know, one leg is both the same. < 1402350235 871603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Please don't mind boily, he has a sun stroke and is not insane at all | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1402350286 905409 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thørjan. < 1402350294 369915 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This paper was published in 1972. < 1402350296 991634 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it's still relevant. < 1402350308 857720 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :several people published in 1972 are still relevant < 1402350367 324203 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When boily says he did a "bike ride", does he mean he was riding a bike or he was riding Bike? < 1402350380 548784 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how lewd < 1402350386 793027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, my ability to guess which english compounds are written in one word fails again < 1402350447 299695 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_: I haven't ever physically seen any #esotëric member, except Roujo. I haven't mailed any member, except Quintopia. Bike is quite far from here. < 1402350528 156231 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esotëric, you say? < 1402350564 600962 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-2925118941.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402350570 435635 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esotëric. < 1402350582 459648 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it's not all too obvious how two-dimensional syntaxes would be defined. < 1402350613 126120 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need two-dimensional lexical tokens < 1402350621 843655 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lexical jigsaw puzzle pieces < 1402350680 409940 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1175983193.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402350699 279894 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. I'm thinking that the notion of a string would be replaced by the notion of a box. Concatenation would be replaced by juxtaposition. < 1402350707 134204 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whitespace outside of tokens would always be considered insignificant. < 1402350714 986233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't know how would you make a two-dimensional tokenizer? < 1402350728 499961 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. a box juxtaposed with a blank box is equivalent to the original box. < 1402350739 336444 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe that is the topic of a good amount of computer vision :p < 1402350743 53953 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: bilinear interpolation? < 1402350762 881192 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We get ambiguity pretty quickly. < 1402350790 760137 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose you have an "a" in the upper left and a "b" in the upper right. Is that an "a" box above a "b" box or an "a" box to the left of a "b" box? < 1402350867 139827 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~math problems~ < 1402350867 339999 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi < 1402350924 687987 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~echo punk motherfucker with a badge and a gun < 1402350924 927620 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :punk motherfucker with a badge and a gun < 1402351015 957683 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1402351042 820625 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :~echo `echo hello < 1402351043 59188 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hello < 1402351043 608088 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1402351082 540488 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402351096 416126 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo ~echo foo < 1402351096 615664 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :~echo foo ~echo foo < 1402351096 815375 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo ~echo foo < 1402351113 376674 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to fix that < 1402351121 953552 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the next version! < 1402351131 622113 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1402351133 366035 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you know, the one that is coming real soon now >_>...) < 1402351147 176572 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, this would be bad: ^echo ~echo ^echo < 1402351148 349437 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402351151 232549 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dare I say ^echo ~echo ^echo? < 1402351152 445804 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~echo ~echo foo < 1402351152 660659 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~echo foo < 1402351180 216740 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo Like, I assume fungot just says whatever twice? < 1402351180 416888 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, I assume fungot just says whatever twice? Like, I assume fungot just says whatever twice? < 1402351187 927226 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1402351196 920794 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1402351216 156898 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to say ^echo ~echo ^echo, then. < 1402351220 857766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ test ~echo @run 123 < 1402351221 57618 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice! < 1402351221 547336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where test < 1402351222 161698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :~echo @run 123 < 1402351222 361578 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run 123 < 1402351224 200566 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 123 < 1402351249 647461 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd like to see someone else try it. < 1402351274 195689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ test ~echo @where test < 1402351274 395367 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is forever etched in my memory. < 1402351283 1836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where test < 1402351283 201566 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :~echo @where test < 1402351283 201716 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where test < 1402351283 401669 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :~echo @where test < 1402351283 601407 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where test < 1402351283 941814 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :~echo @where test < 1402351284 224198 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where test < 1402351284 604931 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :~echo @where test < 1402351284 844994 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where test < 1402351285 181705 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PART :#esoteric < 1402351292 604331 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402351298 241923 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUAH AH AH! < 1402351305 218565 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1402351313 274909 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo ~echo ^echo < 1402351313 500510 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :~echo ^echo ~echo ^echo < 1402351313 700192 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo ~echo ^echo < 1402351314 548770 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402351328 688224 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, fungot has an ignore list < 1402351328 888060 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: change x y)) < 1402351332 80789 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Internet connection isn't working that well. < 1402351335 389049 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should get a job so I can move out and have wired Internet. < 1402351368 139633 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm totally disappointed by how nobody is saying ^echo ~echo ^echo. < 1402351374 837040 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo ~echo ^echo < 1402351375 37216 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :~echo ^echo ~echo ^echo < 1402351375 237149 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo ~echo ^echo < 1402351383 389190 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you. < 1402351386 165895 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:02 < tswett_> I'm totally disappointed by how nobody is saying ^echo ~echo ^echo. <-- 01:01 < nortti> ^echo ~echo ^echo < 1402351390 196479 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel much better now. < 1402351390 872259 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti said it first, but you were in a disappeared state. < 1402351404 789124 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well darn. < 1402351420 773687 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :had forgotten to account for fungot's better bot-ignoring < 1402351421 64470 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: fun, but it seems like it gives me t too with the others < 1402351441 126455 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes, that's why it is called the whole alphabet < 1402351441 399595 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: i'm using 203, and want the fnord formatting < 1402351441 623170 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LA PREGUNTA ES: why didn't fungot obey the second command, exactly? < 1402351442 11012 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_: it works flawlessly on powerpc slackware ( fnord). not sure what difference that would have given: roma, turt, iipc, trds, imap or mode < 1402351529 804200 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION appends a chocolate chip cookie to fungot < 1402351530 43124 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: when emacs is rewritten? i thought about < 1402352153 14337 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :tookeytoo < 1402352164 21036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_: metasepia is on fungot's ignore list. < 1402352164 240849 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: since they didn't have methods?' en osaa mihin muotoon pitää laittaa be late < 1402352205 515499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: And good night < 1402352225 365063 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402352234 505685 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402352361 173050 :tookeytoo!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :coppro < 1402352679 615478 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1402353523 618812 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402353540 449552 :nooodl!~nooodl@240.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1402353585 964871 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PART #esoteric :"Konversation terminated!" < 1402354027 806357 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402354204 720364 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402354397 216474 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402354549 961789 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: tswett < 1402354700 63030 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402354826 611774 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1402355122 585342 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SUNNY CHICKEN < 1402355128 347878 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402355363 711898 :mellifluous!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402355477 954326 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402355480 552143 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cgxztaojyigduhhj JOIN :#esoteric < 1402355568 71943 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402355845 549010 :aretecode!~aretecode@173.192.170.114-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo < 1402356339 864139 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a C library to parse ZCDSF now, although it still contains a few mistakes. < 1402356355 638952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is ZCDSF? < 1402356396 701054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It is documented at http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/zcdsf.txt < 1402356544 283672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The name was suggested by someone else; I abbreviated it.) < 1402356587 930695 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-135.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402356643 793730 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402356709 290966 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-2.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402356718 279660 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :please do tell what was going on with egobot < 1402356726 349685 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402356762 570346 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1402357040 57758 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bfjoust thing? I sent (()*-1)*-1 < 1402357215 562672 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402357251 430669 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1402357297 167453 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that freezes it? < 1402357327 176072 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i get it < 1402357337 966988 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie corrected and submitted to gregor a fix to gearlance < 1402357341 980981 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he has not installed it < 1402357343 866123 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1402357394 819103 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's all go to gregor's house and sleep on his couch and floor until he fixes it < 1402357632 103902 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1402357667 899967 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1402357971 110939 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402358515 846127 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402358547 551250 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402358955 413225 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402359072 616341 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-2.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402359082 570745 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-2.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402360907 386595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do Google's HTTP servers have a lot of protocol violations? < 1402361055 655539 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-2.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to madden you < 1402361344 159593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it has anything to do with me < 1402361963 218652 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1402362192 729299 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: because lots of people don't follow protocols, sometimes because they can't, because of other people not following protocols < 1402363019 470130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402363238 193310 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402363491 308966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you please help me? Is ZCDSF even LALR(1)? < 1402363576 939004 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402363604 594576 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402363621 400173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The compiler says there aren't any conflicts, but it still doesn't work. < 1402363732 781105 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402363764 575390 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402363959 373849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I may have found one of the mistakes; probably many of the mistakes I made are in the tokenizer instead of in the parser. < 1402363981 607567 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-2.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402364012 528084 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tokenizer was deleting some semicolons that shouldn't be deleted. < 1402364081 409864 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-243.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1402364095 421786 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-205.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402364112 24452 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-243.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1402364112 263086 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402364201 8234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it works now. < 1402364291 478979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macros still have a few problems. < 1402364779 128234 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402364908 272629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I fixed it. I accidentally put a minus sign instead of equal sign and that caused a problem < 1402365951 886679 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love working at 1:15AM! < 1402365958 283640 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocl < 1402365961 3042 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ick < 1402366799 438606 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-205.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402366912 317710 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-103-236.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402367063 46194 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: g2g < 1402367201 348520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made it: http://zzo38computer.org/prog/zcdsflib.zip < 1402367263 331919 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please look in the file called "zcdsflib.h" for the list of API functions. < 1402367310 636809 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this is good? < 1402367452 79021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't quite perfect. < 1402367478 531686 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't secure either. < 1402367666 897336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402367845 647144 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402367846 376972 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402368078 312686 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-103-236.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402368204 790485 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-38-3.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402368264 902168 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cgxztaojyigduhhj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1402369716 204954 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1402370159 121545 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1402370328 571016 :Bike_!~Glossina@216-161-91-8.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402370527 752247 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-38-3.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402370552 411385 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402370612 615552 :Bike_!~Glossina@216-161-91-8.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402371160 366606 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402371689 617489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A music tracker software I would think, it would help to have three more windows: SQL window, MML compiler window, and synthesizer window. Do you know of such a software, which can also make/edit/play a .MOD and .S3M and .IT and .XM formats? < 1402371767 76326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also even such format as .MOD and so on you cannot enable multiple effects at once < 1402372344 224025 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402372352 84011 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good news, everyone! < 1402372365 901839 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm pretty sure that a while back, in this channel, someone mentioned "coffee with butter in". < 1402372436 710391 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned that that sounded wrong to me; you'd have to say "coffee with butter in it". < 1402372455 59705 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas it's perfectly fine to say e.g. "a gun with bullets in". < 1402372457 459058 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone asked why. < 1402372463 453401 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now think I know the answer to that question. < 1402372482 747807 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"slightly different dialect" < 1402372484 186148 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is that something is only "in" if it operates by being inside of whatever it's inside of. Otherwise, it has to be "in it". < 1402372506 887221 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bullets operate by being inside of guns. Butter does not operate by being inside of coffee. < 1402372532 957924 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever heard the term "post-hoc" < 1402372562 321757 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in post-hoc analysis? < 1402372577 404508 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1402372605 573671 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. It's hard to do analysis without already having some data. < 1402372708 489995 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the implication is you just make something up after the fact. < 1402372727 50409 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I tried to come up with a simple hypothesis that fit the data well. < 1402372732 202654 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :without much real possibility that it's the cause (for instance: why does this matter to americans and not to brits) < 1402372769 641017 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cos you keep doing this and you're gonna end up thinking "fuck" is an initialism, you know? < 1402372844 186490 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I haven't yet thought of a counterexample or an alternative hypothesis that seems to work better. < 1402372870 340366 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quirk of history assisted by geographic separations < 1402372987 563779 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever used a gun < 1402373021 296840 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you realize that you're not actually contradicting what I said? < 1402373026 883200 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yes, but not a bullet gun. < 1402373035 2357 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is an alternative hypothesis. < 1402373064 289546 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't used a gun, but i have concluded that they work by magnetic acceleration, cos that's how i'd make one. < 1402373069 825085 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hypothesis is a hypothesis about what the rule is for me personally. Your hypothesis is a hypothesis about why it's that way. < 1402373105 795401 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicycle artillery < 1402373121 961375 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I ain't never used none of them BULLET GUNS.) < 1402373131 992159 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you do that to a bicycle jafet < 1402373174 949676 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't put artillery on a unicycle, man, it would fall over. < 1402373195 404842 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicycle artillery. What a great idea. < 1402373228 689344 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have the artillery fire in both ways simultaneously < 1402373255 52328 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a word for a gun that isn't a firearm? < 1402373265 237022 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that never stopped the Dresden Unicycle Military Branch's firing uni cyclist kooks. < 1402373272 994974 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :waterleg < 1402373427 165868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are tracker music formats supposed to be deliberately difficult to work with? < 1402373433 451877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like it to me. < 1402373527 122242 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Air gun, I guess. < 1402373660 633334 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's a well known fact that leonardo davinci wrote his chiptunes backwards to confuse thieves. < 1402374518 548394 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1402375978 307771 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402376340 411501 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1175983193.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402376434 699178 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1176387195.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402377199 554858 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1402379205 180064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402379406 819451 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1402381562 544351 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402383358 729943 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402383390 690989 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1402383631 647597 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402383635 573403 :tertu_!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402384115 818495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402384121 45359 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungots fall on fungot falls < 1402384121 245406 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: or not. i didn't write down who said that < 1402384241 735801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: apparently, godspeed you black emperor hth < 1402384241 975310 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: strike the " for" < 1402384255 703377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: already did hth < 1402384255 973214 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this means that whatever the 2nd interpreter does added to the hashtable i have the patch? < 1402384284 237594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i don't know, show me the code < 1402384284 505161 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my fnord have fnord of code improvement are applicable to many languages < 1402384298 863663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i think that got censored hth < 1402384299 104566 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i did?) has no support for processes. < 1402384325 754563 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^language hth < 1402384451 727618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1402384451 927403 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 < 1402384466 295951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it has that command < 1402384722 793058 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402384840 666355 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1176387195.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402384921 598857 :vyv!~vyv@70.51.217.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402385031 324831 :password2!~password@197.78.138.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402387509 393327 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Loughry pushed some new stuff < 1402387515 963812 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He pushed more source code and the LIST source code too < 1402387526 244767 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/jloughry/BANCStar/blob/master/MM1SM1.SCN < 1402387536 358538 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/jloughry/BANCStar/tree/master/LIST/src/ < 1402387540 589753 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- that's the LIST source < 1402387564 118635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK now let me to see it < 1402387607 825716 :micha2718l!~AndChat57@cpe-172-250-98-136.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402387661 941573 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He also found a PDF that documents opcodes < 1402387672 608393 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although "documents"... :D < 1402387677 290036 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lists them at least :D < 1402387725 122263 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :4001 - 7999 is Draw < 1402387727 798186 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that means. < 1402387833 689909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do the asterisks on the left side means? < 1402387876 123766 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea. < 1402387898 872180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of these things I have already guessed a bit from the other printouts and examples < 1402387959 846060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoever printed it out forgot to compensate for the holes < 1402388120 795773 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :10000 - 12000 are "Arithmetic Commands" < 1402388137 483334 :password2!~password@197.78.138.29 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402388150 685311 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still very little information :) < 1402388196 739729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although from looking at the printout, a few more things can be figured out about that. < 1402388211 46045 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402388235 877624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already figured that 10000 and so on are used for direct assignment, and low numbered commands are prompts, from what was available before. < 1402388256 281107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :From looking at printout a few more things about how this "arithmetic commands" can be figured out. < 1402388394 154007 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, the three operands to "arithmetic commands" seem to be the values to add or otherwise do, where you have to multiply by ten and add two. A number 1 to 2000 is a variable, or you can add 2200 for a literal number (I don't know why it is 2200). < 1402388463 707603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for comparisons, there is no "multiply by ten", and you instead add ten thousand for a numeric literal, or thirty thousand for a character literal. < 1402388530 907826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know what happens if you add twenty thousand.) < 1402388625 119426 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need more things to graph < 1402388659 306216 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-243.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1402388678 109336 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones digit of the arithmetic operands seems to be 2 for addition and 6 for substrings; I don't know what 5 means. < 1402388689 527285 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-243.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1402388689 727055 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402388689 727176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: graph the number of graphs that don't graph themselves hth < 1402388936 969528 :micha2718l!~AndChat57@cpe-172-250-98-136.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1402388948 410482 :micha2718l!~AndChat57@cpe-172-250-98-136.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402389229 322340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I see arithmetic operator 4 is division < 1402389343 355573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the context, it seems that command 3100 might mean that it is an error if the condition is false; rewind and tell the user to try again. < 1402389504 459081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is now clear from the arrows that 3001 command block does not nest, and just combines conditions using a "and" operation; I have already guessed this from the part of the program that "only ten people can read", and now I have confirmed it. < 1402389570 552502 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402389647 651079 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402389697 412289 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402389697 612056 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402389717 26620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Turning BANCStar up to eleven | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1402390170 602033 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am guessing that the last value in the prompt commands is the position on the screen which it is displayed. < 1402390195 722277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is in row/column format < 1402390204 532801 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the row is multiplied by one hundred < 1402390323 632932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is in format: variable,help-position,response-length,field-position is my currently guess < 1402390383 930068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why some of them use negative numbers though. Probably that means something too. < 1402390436 817960 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402390723 301322 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: He alos pushed 58 pages of annotated source code :) < 1402390731 890347 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/jloughry/BANCStar/blob/master/LIST/doc/C16LNAPP.SCN_LIST_report.pdf < 1402390784 475025 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which also includes some "Screenshots" of the GUI at the end < 1402390820 266328 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least what his tool generated < 1402390862 708917 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: He also found a copy of the actual software < 1402390873 115690 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a floppy disk :) < 1402390878 19149 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which he tries to recover < 1402390886 181373 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's hope the floppy disk isn't too much damaged. < 1402390952 399925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I am looking at those annotated codes now < 1402391015 281753 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402391335 564183 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402391628 316797 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402391640 174087 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1402392166 247440 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is this about BANCStar still? < 1402392185 818352 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be < 1402392364 559112 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402392385 11495 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yep < 1402392428 963551 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the first number in a BANCStar line always the opcode? < 1402392544 657564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think so < 1402392583 191352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the opcode also includes the number of the variable to manipulate, if applicable. < 1402392584 725856 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make an entry on the eso wiki for BANCStar < 1402392835 758811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall BANCStar being removed because someone insisted it's not esoteric. not sure it was the wiki, though. < 1402392875 977735 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BANCStar14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39783 5* 03B jonas 5* (+730) 10Created page with "'''BANCStar''' is a language that was used in production in finance in the 1990s, even though it looks like an esoteric language. Each line in a BANCStar program is four op..." < 1402392916 826930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the prehistory of esolangs page, as well as some people wanting "honorary esolangs" too; however, it is unsure how to organize such thing within the wiki, and furthermore in a few cases it may be disagreed of what counts. < 1402392943 890083 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, if you don't like honorary esolangs, just add a category for them or something < 1402392955 308926 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39784&oldid=39737 5* 03B jonas 5* (+15) 10 < 1402392990 627018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I myself am OK with it (and agree with you to make it separate category), but perhaps we can decide which way best. < 1402393028 114817 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, just delete it if you decide there's no place for it < 1402393047 99002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and add Haskell and C++ etc if you decide you want honorary esolangs or something < 1402393083 425122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't consider to add those, but that is what I say, it may be disagreed of what counts. < 1402393125 936203 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :More seriously, I wouldn't bother to add stuff like Haskell or C++ or TeX or metafont etc, because there's already lots of information about those everywhere on the internet. < 1402393128 170717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i think the prospect that people will start adding things like haskell and c++ is a reason why we've avoided it... < 1402393148 642783 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you're actually studying BANCStar here, then it deserves a place on the eso wiki. < 1402393177 893628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's try it then. < 1402393181 913860 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if someone does want to bother, I don't feel a problem with adding C++, as long as it's not seriously misrepresented < 1402393196 613451 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, don't claim that it's not used in production or that it was intended as an esolang originally < 1402393247 270783 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :should BANCStar go into bounded storage languages, or have you found a way to address arrays? < 1402393259 245559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note of things like http://esolangs.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_esoteric_programming_languages existing, as well as some things on user subpages such as http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ian/Computer_architectures < 1402393304 641656 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure < 1402393306 927082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: There are "tables", but I don't know how they work. Probably it is bounded storage but of course I don't know; only things we can do for now is to makes guesses < 1402393332 297444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that the Special:Random will never select a user page < 1402393379 157482 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind, it's not like bounded storage really means much in a language implemented in a computer < 1402393459 945940 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1402393554 731176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think pages can also be moved between name spaces if that help < 1402393562 67758 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1402393710 749967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would delete [[Perl]] if oerjan didn't make it mildly amusing < 1402393739 877089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hadn't made, rather < 1402393764 172782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I think that Perl article is good the way it is written, for being on esolang wiki < 1402393843 930346 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402393871 168044 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Perl14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39785&oldid=37512 5* 03B jonas 5* (+26) 10 < 1402393893 651703 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402393910 265389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that category is for esoteric languages only, I think < 1402393917 918956 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Perl14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39786&oldid=39785 5* 03B jonas 5* (+54) 10 < 1402393926 131837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe not < 1402393929 890042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not a subcat of Languages < 1402393940 256867 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should probably be a cateogry for non-esoteric languages < 1402393954 229867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Implemented and TC should maybe be reserved for esoteric-only, I think. < 1402393962 164441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or probably one for honorary esolang, at least < 1402393971 821920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, probably those two should at least < 1402393996 114383 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like you can have 501 pages < 1402394010 321742 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably 500 < 1402394015 231976 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume 0 isn't a "legal" page < 1402394031 548454 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402394034 573551 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :values > 501 are function keys < 1402394047 364915 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There may sometimes be reasons why you might have TC on other things too but I don't think of any right now. But I agree that Implemented probably only for (non-honorary) esolangs) < 1402394052 943500 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for BANCStar, the strange part is why they didn't use at least an assembler for handling the code labels and variables < 1402394060 329754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: OK < 1402394071 837472 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I was thinking about quite the same kind of things < 1402394092 339127 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402394095 527669 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :such an assembler could probably be made compatible with existing code < 1402394097 973993 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :An assembler (supporting a superset of the existing syntax) could be done. < 1402394111 922868 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least not less compatible than writing raw code) < 1402394112 682222 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do it if I knew enough about it! < 1402394125 145757 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :L_COMMTS.C is probably going to be most helpful < 1402394132 763200 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I probably have a strange idea about these kinds of things: < 1402394159 669800 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :8500 with M3 40XX is like pressing the corresponding key o_O < 1402394202 813716 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :back when we had to write the same homework in two languages, I wrote a translator from a language that had the intersection of their features, and then when that worked fine, I ran out of time and couldn't write the actual program to work well < 1402394204 232181 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even execute DOS commands apparentely < 1402394230 989260 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even now I probably care too much about the tools < 1402394243 671713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mromas: Yes I saw that. < 1402394291 526173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this BANCStar system connected to a database or network or printer or something? < 1402394309 878616 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402394310 209549 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Did you look at the arithmetic commands < 1402394310 409593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I would guess, all three, probably. < 1402394315 694997 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are really weird < 1402394322 707209 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looks like there's -+*/ < 1402394344 808435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I have looked at the scanned listing file, and figure out some of how it works, as I have described above. < 1402394363 262168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't finished looking at all of them yet, though. < 1402394393 757162 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Values under 2000 are prompts < 1402394412 828842 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you reverse engineering this? from those printouts only? or do you have access to an implementation (not necessarily in working condition)? < 1402394413 62065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Yes I figured out that already. < 1402394415 415845 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means if the operand_2 is 1000 it will show the user a prompt with the text stored in 1000? < 1402394425 167014 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: From those printouts only. < 1402394440 399965 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: We might get access to an implementation < 1402394452 87996 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on whether JLoughry can read the floppy disk he found < 1402394481 973629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even from just the two pages that were originally scanned, and the information that was released when they wrote about the program that only ten people can read it, I could figure out a lot of things. < 1402394494 374036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although a lot of it, just being guesses. < 1402394523 637024 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402394524 854377 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Out of curiousity: Do you plan to implement BANCStar? < 1402394530 845880 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or why did you start reverse engineering it? < 1402394643 251104 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Just to figure it out, because figure out that kind of stuff interests me a bit. < 1402395288 381785 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402395645 217346 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have you documented what you've figured out so far in a file or something? < 1402396184 612006 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing doing the printing seems to print "variable" numbers emboldened. I wonder if that has any semantic meaning or is just a pretty-printing thing < 1402396690 548905 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402396827 997896 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: probably no semantic meaning, for http://reocities.com/ResearchTriangle/station/2266/tarpit/bancstar.html < 1402396837 47856 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :says "The only legal characters in a BANCStar program are the digits 0 through 9, comma, minus sign, and carriage return. Blank lines are not allowed. If a "." appears anywhere in the file, the compiler will crash." < 1402396928 6443 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense < 1402396984 209195 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler. crashes. on a fungotting period. I refuse to believe that. < 1402396984 438762 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: hey would fnord be fun to watch him argue with a native fnord. < 1402397005 163608 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: there are multiple kinds of fnords? < 1402397005 581962 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: if you consider that i stated only what i need is to override a specific procedure and then re-export everything else the way it is < 1402397020 401847 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, consider that < 1402397032 66229 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dies this really have a compiler? I totally thought this was some interpreter that interprets the array of fours of integers. < 1402397250 443963 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It has a "Screen Generator" < 1402397268 118561 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I think allowed you to create Forms WYSYWG style? < 1402397303 269046 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a program at least that allowed to to create stuff which was translated to BANCStar language that was interpreted by some sort of VM < 1402397309 37418 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you to < 1402397321 200576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what's so strange about that, after all it's just the compiler coming to a full stop < 1402397328 567591 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as he said, that Screen Generator wasn't powerful enough so they started reverse engineering the VM < 1402397345 80880 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and program directly in it instead of using the screen generator < 1402397366 189943 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I understand it it was never meant to be programmed in it directly which is why there's no official documentation of it < 1402397378 752818 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird because... I mean < 1402397384 726114 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you program a VM you document it, right? < 1402397396 544000 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: sure, < 1402397402 461731 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Who actually wrote the BANCStar "VM"? < 1402397430 58567 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. the NFCS Inc. < 1402397444 193249 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1402397444 392862 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: but I meant about that statement that the "compiler crashes" if it meets a full stop in the barnstar numbers < 1402397484 352659 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ... < 1402397507 828742 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Oh. Hm... < 1402397514 491993 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good question < 1402397552 74670 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We developed some in-house tools for programming large applications in BANCStar, and at one point attempted to interest Broadway & Seymour in them, but I think they never really believed us, that we were writing directly to their internal, low-level, undocumented machine code." < 1402397557 79273 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1402397591 621387 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would Broadway & Seymour create a VM and not document it's machine code < 1402397604 385962 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why wouldn't the programmers just ask them for a documentation < 1402397610 532307 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all really really creepy < 1402397621 74595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: because it's supposed to be an internal form for the screne generator program < 1402397623 118190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: manifest destiny hth < 1402397635 629953 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yeah. < 1402397640 750324 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: IMO, the people that started to misuse it and write the internal form directly without proper tools are to blame < 1402397647 903972 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how will you write the Screen Generator without documentation of the VM it's supposed to target? < 1402397659 509001 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes. this was before 1990 < 1402397667 348651 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: don't try to think of it like you're in 2014 < 1402397679 131251 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like you wrote a VM, then a "Compiler"/"Generator" that targets said VM < 1402397683 697241 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you never documented the freaking VM? < 1402397690 579899 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell < 1402397707 661728 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck maintaining that compiler then < 1402397708 307646 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they documented it with pen and paper < 1402397710 472852 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, or maybe they documented it internally, but never released the docs about that with their proprietary screen generator software < 1402397732 901808 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's documentation in the source code for their screen generator or something < 1402397743 299134 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I understand that they did not release the docs if you weren't supposed to program in it < 1402397752 497226 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but once you KNOW that people really program in it < 1402397760 276003 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the point I would release the documentation < 1402397769 341826 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly even *sell* the documentation to earn more money < 1402397789 721735 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of saying "Well, you guys just reverse engineer it. I don't care. I won't help you." < 1402397801 813489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: probably those docs were not in a releasable state < 1402397816 317645 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1402397824 451530 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for gods sake they reverse engineered it :) < 1402397827 743795 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and come on, if you were the developer and someone told you thye want to develop right for that internal language, wouldn't you just LAUGH AT THEM? < 1402397831 800434 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even a not so good doc is better than nothing. < 1402397837 496671 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those people deserve not to have the docs < 1402397842 443068 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I would laugh < 1402397853 237240 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm pretty sure I'd send them the docs I have < 1402397858 720120 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit scared that stuff like this was actually powering banks < 1402397864 257186 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for free probably but I'd sell them < 1402397896 642338 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "well, you're not supposed to do that but for 1000$ bucks I'll give you the documentation" < 1402397907 903108 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: have you looked at the scanned screenshots on github? it probably just powered credit application form printout stuff, not real banking programs < 1402397908 739905 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really my problem if they program in the internal language < 1402397921 670689 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than this means that my screen generator is crap :D < 1402397927 700537 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah, I'm reading it currently < 1402397956 73437 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I would laugh at first, then realize that my product is apparentely so crappy, they started reverse engineering undocumented stuff and that'd make me sad < 1402398010 489797 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: again, this was before 1990. think of it like that. you didn't have infinite computing resources back then. < 1402398032 606318 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse engineering random programs from a floppy was sort of the norm at that time < 1402398157 594646 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CRAWFISH CHICKEN < 1402398265 644907 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1402398279 87142 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:4:: QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402398300 535092 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:4:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1402398501 433868 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: operand fields ≥2200 seem to be constants, and the least significant digit of each operand seems to determine the operation somehow < 1402398547 774009 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :This thing is bizarre < 1402398603 650236 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the highest magnitude number that appears in the source? < 1402398707 451787 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno, but e.g. here a parameter is 25652, which, if I'm guessing correctly, corresponds to the constant value 365 and the operation 2 (addition or concat or something) < 1402398749 333283 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are probably bigger numbers though, a scanned-in pdf isn't easy to search < 1402398821 448014 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1402398829 435490 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least this seems to use ASCII < 1402398863 446757 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, never mind < 1402398995 171545 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1402399074 858798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's the right order of magnitude for a -32768 .. 32767 range < 1402399084 371514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of 16 bits < 1402399345 426919 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 89 < 1402399346 790557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'Y' < 1402399429 250664 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: >= 2200 && <= 3276 < 1402399452 799423 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for exponentian < 1402399498 79662 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :conditionals seem to use other conventions for how to denote constant values < 1402399521 829421 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :10xxx seems to be a constant int, 30xxx a constant char (ASCII-encoded) < 1402399548 417944 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also operator is % 10 and operand / 10? < 1402399570 685354 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1402399573 449881 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1402399582 657269 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :for assignemnts < 1402399597 505278 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :How mid$ comes into that, I've no clue < 1402399619 281559 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you encode where to assign in the op itself, right? < 1402399632 477493 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1402399664 565053 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402399665 665455 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :M1-10000 < 1402399673 341436 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get what the prompts are < 1402399679 442817 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A prompt can store an integer? < 1402399699 432243 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me neither, but I think it could be related to the whole drawing-a-window thing < 1402399710 989605 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a list of prompt variables and their types and lengths at the end of the PDF < 1402399837 555255 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402399844 354129 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm k < 1402399851 414393 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably from the prompt file < 1402399860 346695 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402399889 241418 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did this thing have some Database in the background? < 1402399898 210735 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :to store forms/files? < 1402400131 893489 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are table search commands for example < 1402400151 856456 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever a table is < 1402400306 607773 :M28_!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402400369 554391 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402400384 609927 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are indirect prompts as well < 1402400398 344396 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea what indirect refers to right now < 1402400420 582139 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :22002 seems to be used as a general "unused operand".. I wonder what the reference implementation would do if you passed something else instead < 1402400442 922002 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, "x ← number of days between y and z" seems to be 1xxxx,yyyy9,zzzz3,22002 < 1402400454 270113 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. There's file-io too < 1402400463 465004 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1402400466 310265 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1402400487 312201 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402400515 215930 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :16000 - 18999 < 1402400533 457221 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = 0; if Applicant == 'Y': foo = 1; if Spouse == 'Y': foo = 1; ...; if foo == 1: ... < 1402400549 445859 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it this thing doesn't have a cleaner way to do "or" < 1402400586 119075 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :" It took about two weeks to become fluent in the language." < 1402400593 505536 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two weeks is actually not very long < 1402400609 611873 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402400755 830674 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proceed If aborts if it fails? < 1402400774 985161 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's if, block if, proceed if and reverse block proceed if whatever that is supposed to be < 1402400869 432491 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it reverse block if? < 1402400883 125059 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think that's like a do-while loop, essentially (guessing by the arrow to the left) < 1402400893 105168 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1402400910 187287 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're missing reverse if, reverse block if, and block proceed if? < 1402400923 22783 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse if wouldn't make much sense < 1402400925 395757 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reverse proceed if < 1402400955 171095 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which of those is computed come from? < 1402400964 157320 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither I think < 1402400995 931225 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so 3101 jumps back to a previous 3101? < 1402401000 679804 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :if is "conditionally execute next line", block if is "ignore until block-end if condition holds", reverse block if is the same but backwards < 1402401006 882085 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks ilke that from the C16LNAPP < 1402401007 523940 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI < 1402401013 188744 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I haven't found a nested 3101 now < 1402401021 551202 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, unless condition holds* < 1402401066 559171 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: so none of those have a target label? < 1402401067 518731 :tertu_!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402401082 619686 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is actually structured programming with if-endif rather than if-goto? < 1402401083 114439 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1402401087 364291 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty advanced for its age < 1402401090 130204 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah < 1402401099 493437 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :3101 looks like it jumps back to a previous 3101 < 1402401106 176487 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 3001 jumps forward to the next 3001 < 1402401108 313372 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1402401137 497535 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yep. there is also "save address", "goto screen N", "return from subroutine" < 1402401151 143387 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: What's WSF*** < 1402401155 434246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1402401162 56012 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :No clue < 1402401164 233314 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are those prompts? < 1402401168 731292 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :files? tables? windows? < 1402401190 592856 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1402401194 947249 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can compile brainfuck to bancstar then < 1402401200 390737 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402401215 457094 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1402401225 756629 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1402401228 671833 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then claim that this is one of those trivial brainfuck variants like Ook! that only replace the symbols with a longer encoding < 1402401234 663693 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are occurences of 3001 followed by another 3001 < 1402401238 328090 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well, the if-endif doesn't nest < 1402401239 30215 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] would be 3101,,, or something < 1402401241 626213 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only followed by one endif block < 1402401249 745082 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: you only need nested do-while, not nested if < 1402401259 469565 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it really jumps only to the next end block < 1402401264 520341 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :do-while also does not nest I think < 1402401272 829202 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1402401281 209111 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So compiling brainfuck would be a bit tricky < 1402401283 5411 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :C16LNAPP line 00892 < 1402401287 321188 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1402401294 345171 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a 3001, and a "nested" 3001 < 1402401302 133018 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they both end at 00900 < 1402401306 357404 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(according to the arrows at least) < 1402401309 341620 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I guess it's more practical to just escape to machine code somehow < 1402401390 549520 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yeah, I'm guessing it's implemented by setting a flag to ignore commands, and end-of-block resets it, or some such < 1402401499 443013 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: or more likely just fast-scanning for the end of block command in a separate loop < 1402401662 773560 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why's that more likely :D? < 1402401713 591536 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402401780 644954 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1402401871 397468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe they don't do either: instead the block if command just stores its label to a global variable, the end-of-block commands are preprocessed to know where the previous end-of-block statement is, and the end-of-block statements are compiled as a computed come from that kicks in when that global variable is set to anything between their address and the address of the previous end-of-block. < 1402401917 475689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402401951 126433 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be simpler than either ABSTAINING FROM all statements other than end-of-block like FireFly suggests, or scanning in the code memory to find the end-of-block < 1402402018 628409 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ignoring commands when a global flag is set is very easy to implement ;) < 1402402074 217717 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: but so is a loop to scan forward if your code is represented in as simple a way as four words per statement, first word is opcode < 1402402079 377423 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1402402227 600800 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402402316 483160 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/jloughry/BANCStar/blob/master/LIST/src/L_COMMTS.C seems to have a lot of interesting info < 1402402379 87617 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1402402390 674908 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even enough to write an interpreter :D < 1402402456 226236 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: is that a code pretty printer? < 1402402464 397320 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1402402486 170476 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the LIST utility is apparently what took a BANCStar source file and produced a listing like the pdf that was linked before < 1402402533 914710 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee, that loop with "Deactivate F7 - activate all other F-keys" in that pretty-printer seems copy-paste code < 1402402553 397347 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just a pretty printer < 1402402564 91334 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it annotates code with pseudo-code < 1402402586 545212 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes. that's a pretty-printer. or call it a disassembler if you prefer. < 1402402629 253002 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't ;) < 1402402633 939306 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll call it code annotator < 1402402717 731438 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also call it a syntax highlighter :P < 1402402742 700691 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it typesets variables in boldtext and things < 1402402778 529184 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the holy grail of a tool . < 1402402785 540230 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, if you beleive in the holy grail < 1402402796 797622 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*believe < 1402402890 54971 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whose bright idea was it to make the conditional operator encoding depend on the type? < 1402402917 543671 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, the check for inequality of strings seems to be encoded with the same operator number as >= on numbers < 1402402945 696279 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are string variables? < 1402402954 537294 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1402402959 173120 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, at least < 1402402996 629734 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense to me, if you have input fields for things that it would be able to deal with strings too < 1402403012 281025 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the mid and length operations operate on entire strings? is there a string concatenate operator? that'd probably be easily enough for turing-completeness < 1402403060 369226 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it only operated on characters, and on fixed length arrays laid out in the 2000 words of data memory or something < 1402403099 519300 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we're not even sure if you have 2000 words < 1402403104 693131 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just 2000 storage thingies < 1402403115 495956 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can hold values of different size < 1402403122 319502 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1402403132 620924 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a line that gets annotated with "Name = First Name + Middle + Last", where the only sensible interpretation I can think of is string concatenation < 1402403144 589011 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that scan includes a variable listing with lots of ALPHA stuff, but I thought that was just a character or something < 1402403148 141066 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: which line number is that? < 1402403158 501304 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :00175 < 1402403164 475685 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: 00062 < 1402403168 54121 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: wow < 1402403189 939060 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it esoteric if it's actually used for banking < 1402403209 517665 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not really" esoteric < 1402403266 573574 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 10193 < 1402403297 100817 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :10193,1902,1912,1922 < 1402403309 263235 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the operators are 2,2,2 < 1402403324 684061 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and operands are 190,191,192 < 1402403326 47098 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1402403340 105634 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 is also addition (for numbers) < 1402403350 966644 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so it encodes multiple operators and operands together in a command? nice < 1402403352 434367 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 190,191,192 are prompts < 1402403404 335478 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does 10193 encode both that this is supposed to be an arithmetic expression thing and the destination location? < 1402403418 228992 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it seems like it just looks at operator_4? < 1402403432 4911 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it says "store to 193" < 1402403434 580756 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1402403447 786423 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1402403449 132164 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it is in [10000,12000] indicates that it is a move operation, AFAIK < 1402403458 780990 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/AFAIK/is my interpretation/ < 1402403466 415036 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1402403507 594894 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :193 is ALPHA 55 NAME < 1402403509 672743 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1402403517 491947 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 193 in 10193 is the target < 1402403646 445743 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the internal programming language has an article on wikipedia, but not the application itself < 1402403700 927176 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: well the application is crap < 1402403752 358376 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: also recall the legend that says lisp has supposed to eventually have a normal input syntax, but the parenthesis stuff was good enough that it remained < 1402403792 518279 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1402403848 480894 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :parerthesis aren't that bady imo < 1402403851 270469 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-y < 1402403947 995898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: sure. and it's just a funny legend. < 1402403963 974595 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1402403970 74308 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that the parenthesis had become the most recognizable part < 1402403990 627696 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1402404159 237351 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1402404392 763362 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I searched for BANCStar in http://rosettacode.org/ and http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/ but it seems nobody is programming in it yet :-) < 1402404470 581014 :general_cryptic_!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402404478 420797 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. It'd be nice to submit a program to CGSE once we've got this figured out < 1402404499 557714 :general_cryptic_!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402404579 570619 :general_cryptic_!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402404647 945006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Arithmetic/Integer might be a good start < 1402404730 618960 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402404741 420801 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: or http://rosettacode.org/wiki/String_concatenation < 1402404979 473355 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Go to a Function Key" just how are you supposed to branch to keys? < 1402405560 514950 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402406592 555335 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402406804 704662 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: You can also branch to ASCII keys < 1402406813 336888 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that's supposed to mean < 1402406818 471178 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's like GOTO PAGE < 1402406872 312122 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :8500 with M3 = 40XX is apparentely goto ASCII thingy < 1402406889 193667 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Multi-task menu < 1402406897 581377 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe there's some multi-tasking involved ;P < 1402406914 60756 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's a dialog tab for each function key? < 1402407190 655807 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :This C code reminds me of vim's source < 1402407211 294785 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :though this is at least commented < 1402407542 40934 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which C code? < 1402407552 749922 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one of BANCStar LIST? < 1402407762 143525 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1402407798 601132 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they're not all that similar, on second thought < 1402408510 476802 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402408536 661811 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if p^x == 1 then p^(x*y) == 1? < 1402408624 621610 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo something that is < 1402408706 384637 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402408758 209541 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402408915 184425 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Actually Vim's source code is commented good enough (IMHO), it's just the pre-K&R syntax that makes it atrocious. :) < 1402408956 831081 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the globals, and the ifdefs < 1402408983 362230 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the really long functions and source files... < 1402409045 40408 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bram doens't like refactoring. Code has to evolve naturally or something... < 1402409266 245333 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I can't think of any cases where that wouldn't be the case, with real numbers at least < 1402409302 523841 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually < 1402409307 134642 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That only works if y is an intger < 1402409309 299116 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :integer* < 1402409321 310678 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: What if you had (-1)^2 < 1402409356 865672 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then y was 1/2 < 1402409368 20682 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is < 1402409377 837529 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :z^(x*(y^k)) = 1 < 1402409396 667255 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that imply that z^(x*(y^(k+1))) is also 1? < 1402409415 985337 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1402409426 631163 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1402409431 364006 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although empirical evidence suggests so < 1402409457 477198 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it would imply that if z was a positive number < 1402409476 701945 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's modulo < 1402409480 935645 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they are all positive numbers < 1402409486 354423 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1402409505 285872 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's all positive or 0, then yes, it would imply that the other expression is also 1 < 1402409516 557744 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't see why it implies that < 1402409540 578330 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are two cases where z^a = 1 < 1402409549 580517 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either z = 1, or a = 0 < 1402409561 147340 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's if you restrict yourself to non-negative numbers < 1402409622 461530 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this is (mod N) < 1402409684 194248 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still holds < 1402409731 585201 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1402409737 25538 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :3^1980 `mod` 15841 is 1 < 1402409751 743040 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is 3^(495*4) `mod` 15841 < 1402409761 75552 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1402409790 977467 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3^(495*8)) `mod` 15841 < 1402409792 979727 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1402409797 394322 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3^(495*16)) `mod` 15841 < 1402409799 841346 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1402409802 979083 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3^(495)) `mod` 15841 < 1402409804 741659 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12802 < 1402409817 984626 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmm < 1402409839 91417 :general_cryptic_!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402409841 260542 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3^(495^2*2)) `mod` 15841 < 1402409843 139511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 218 < 1402409852 609426 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, it seems it doesn't hold < 1402409862 781814 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1402409866 359011 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402409867 523786 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you take the x to be 2 and 495 to be y < 1402409880 442503 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Rand.Next()14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39787&oldid=39758 5* 03Ais523 5* (+435) 10not possible to compile arbitrary BF into it; might be curly-L-complete, depending on the RNG in question < 1402409890 504366 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet there is a simpler example < 1402409902 852627 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it holds for 3^(495*(2^k))) though < 1402409913 217838 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = 495, y = 2 < 1402409916 666396 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :z = 3 < 1402409939 7625 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. once you found a k, so that the term yields 1 < 1402409943 831233 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :increasing k won't change the value < 1402409953 970786 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is because you square it < 1402409957 743641 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1 squared is still 1 < 1402409987 551524 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's from miller-rabin btw < 1402410013 751926 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you found z^(x*(y^k)) is one, you don't have to check any other k < 1402410057 760864 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(y is 2 for the miler-rabin case) < 1402410251 735229 :password2!~password@197.78.173.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402410448 451029 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402410562 627364 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402410717 613472 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1402410752 148279 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^(a*y^(k+1)) is 1 if x^(a*y^k) is 1 < 1402410777 469362 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because x^(a*y^(k+1)) = x^(a*y*y^k) = (x^(a*y^k))^y < 1402410787 608575 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (x^(a*y^k)) = 1 means that 1^y = 1 < 1402410827 354737 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402410855 31336 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Client Quit < 1402411001 410349 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on topic again < 1402411016 675923 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are Data Model Commands o_O < 1402411028 612553 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402411119 783857 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402411175 722918 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit < 1402411829 952449 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Didn't we already show that it's not true mod N < 1402411887 673293 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is true mod N < 1402411903 445464 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true for at least all positive integers < 1402411961 853499 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if x^(a*y^k) == 1 then x^(a*y^(k+1)) is also 1 < 1402412021 816580 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If x is 3, a is 2 and y is 495... < 1402412038 1489 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And N is 15841 < 1402412061 348516 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^(a*y*y^k) = x^(a*y^(k+1)) < 1402412061 589910 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3^(2*495) `mod` 15841 < 1402412063 468316 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 218 < 1402412074 993168 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make that 4, not 2 < 1402412078 377679 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3^(4*495) `mod` 15841 < 1402412080 170514 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1402412083 10369 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3^(4*495^2) `mod` 15841 < 1402412084 931093 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1402412087 480333 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3^(4*495^3) `mod` 15841 < 1402412092 883074 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1 < 1402412097 357116 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3^(4*495^3) `mod` 15841 < 1402412102 614419 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1 < 1402412105 471020 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402412117 252583 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what were we getting up there then? < 1402412130 378593 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^(a*y*y^k) = x^(a*y^(k+1)) = (x^(a*y^k))^y < 1402412136 637319 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402412141 876047 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- potentiation laws < 1402412162 914456 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (x^(a*y^k))^y is 1 if (x^(a*y^k)) is 1 < 1402412166 872809 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 1^y is always 1 < 1402412171 381880 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I was multiplying by 2, not 4 < 1402412174 166125 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why it didn't work < 1402412203 272824 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghci gets stuck on 3^(4*495^3) < 1402412209 641557 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, it is a really big number < 1402412233 538808 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also (p-1)^2 mod p is always 1 < 1402412266 965696 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally (p-r)^2 mod p is r^2 < 1402412276 594598 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't abuse this to modsqrt < 1402412279 147590 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :though < 1402412294 265896 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 2.314751381666169e8 digits < 1402412308 454528 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should probably use modpow :) < 1402412315 566698 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if haskell has such a thing < 1402412316 136970 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably :) < 1402412322 640657 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such thing is built in < 1402412330 473813 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402412331 87588 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Libraries probably have it < 1402412338 152739 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably :) < 1402412453 598769 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's actually a small number < 1402412468 907158 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to what actual numbers you'd use in real world applications < 1402412490 770899 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not in bancstar though < 1402412525 340068 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it looks like you have to give the length of a number in digits < 1402413168 835917 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: 231475138 digits < 1402413194 108095 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remembering that googol only has 100 digits < 1402413748 685529 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402414572 644685 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402415316 471019 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402415416 52143 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-73-82.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402415682 136168 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1402416204 377434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402416331 424468 :password2!~password@197.78.173.137 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402416494 531752 :password2!~password@197.78.173.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402416725 456512 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1402416797 654015 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D17B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1402416803 825687 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D17B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1402416804 52057 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1402417021 594284 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :googol? < 1402417035 607131 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff. < 1402417039 827 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :googol is a baby number < 1402417081 240031 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 digits isn't really that much < 1402417136 442493 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> log 2 10^100 < 1402417138 119859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num a0) < 1402417138 748098 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity check for ‘e_1210100’ < 1402417138 748336 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (GHC.Num.Num a1, < 1402417138 748427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : GHC.Num.Num a, < 1402417138 748517 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : GHC.Float.Floating (a1 -> a)) < 1402417142 510499 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff < 1402417143 287399 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1402417167 511936 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 10^100 < 1402417169 287676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.377281663205057e52 < 1402417173 525194 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1402417233 323206 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1402417241 374868 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to 4096 bit keys that's probably way larger :D < 1402417271 440906 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 10 2^4096 < 1402417273 127135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.0 < 1402417284 208550 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok? < 1402417324 535258 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type logBase < 1402417326 9112 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating a => a -> a -> a < 1402417355 350600 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell < 1402417361 605996 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^4096 is larger than 10^100 < 1402417418 379981 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 10 (2^2096 :: Integer) < 1402417419 719879 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Float.Floating GHC.Integer.Type.Integer) < 1402417419 920579 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘GHC.Float.logBase’ < 1402417426 734266 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 10 (2^2096 :: Double) < 1402417428 199063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Infinity < 1402417436 357030 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (100*(log 10))/log(2) < 1402417438 233386 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 332.19280948873626 < 1402417443 526894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's around 0.303*4096 < 1402417444 698197 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1402417454 479185 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.3034096 < 1402417455 923583 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.3034096 < 1402417461 88945 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.303*4096 < 1402417462 514500 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1241.088 < 1402417469 458310 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a miserly 332 bits < 1402417873 941678 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also depending on how large an ALPHA can be < 1402417885 151655 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could've stored their string constant in one large ALPHA < 1402417898 997625 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly extract the strings they need later on in the code < 1402417910 398134 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that might not be better by that much :D < 1402418028 109340 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeking alpha < 1402418240 917441 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1402418291 551752 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402418341 432673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: No, I think they use the CONSTANT type for string constants, probably? < 1402418537 856212 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1402418889 829679 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although they could store multiple string constants and extract them later; such a thing is done on the first page of C16LNAPP in order to extract only one letter. < 1402418941 425857 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402418958 342243 :password2!~password@197.78.173.137 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402419291 829086 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :with mid$, you mean? < 1402419335 391509 :password2!~password@197.78.173.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402419428 617430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1402419448 127706 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you have a document with what you've figured out so far? < 1402419451 243346 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1402419460 887972 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1402419473 852083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I have not written such a thing, but you can try searching these IRC log (which is no longer available on HackEgo, however). < 1402419498 349410 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay < 1402419581 792177 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D17B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1402420108 672830 :AndChat|570836!~AndChat57@2600:1012:b02b:a5af:2699:afd3:f905:9cd2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402420333 415498 :micha2718l!~AndChat57@cpe-172-250-98-136.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402420425 428504 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402420596 643054 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D17B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1402420627 485708 :micha2718l!~AndChat57@cpe-172-250-98-136.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402420705 924756 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :" what the hell 2^4096 is larger than 10^100" <-- it gets clearer if you consider 2^4096 = 16^1024 > 10^100 < 1402420798 337737 :password2!~password@197.78.173.137 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402420819 665901 :AndChat|570836!~AndChat57@2600:1012:b02b:a5af:2699:afd3:f905:9cd2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402420869 4845 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-73-82.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"exponentials grow pretty fast, huh" < 1402420901 27429 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: I can't even calculate 2*13 in my head < 1402420902 258030 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.... < 1402420904 221470 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :) < 1402420912 533821 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402420937 541215 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.116.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg, #esoteric has lambdabot < 1402420945 586279 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, also useful is remembering that 2^10 ~= 10^3 < 1402421072 90636 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't handle numbers well ;) < 1402421091 737659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so i came up with a screwy thought experiment the other day < 1402421116 932760 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose you take a swimming pool and fit an airtight seal over the top of it < 1402421151 568891 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you drill a 1cm wide hole in the top, and to that attach a 20m long, open-ended tube < 1402421207 748393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you then hold that tube straight upright and fill it with water, that tiny bit of extra water (less than 20 litres) will increase the pressure inside the entire swimming pool to 3 atmospheres < 1402421246 527000 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason i can believe this is that the alternatives sound even sillier < 1402421338 92746 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D17B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1402421353 344112 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the water falls out of the tube and into the swimming pool, because the pressure inside the swimming pool is less than 3 atmospheres < 1402421369 658247 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, er, no < 1402421378 970073 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the swimming pool's sealed tight over the top, remember < 1402421389 252877 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean the swimming pool's already full of water? < 1402421393 569115 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assume there's no air between the surface of the pool and the seal, too) < 1402421393 770339 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, exactly the same thing happens < 1402421400 515418 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no? < 1402421403 40940 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pressure in the swimming pool increases slightly < 1402421409 603075 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most of the water falls out of the tube < 1402421424 799893 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :into the pool, which increases in pressure to compensate < 1402421434 499557 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually, you end up with a very small amount of water left in the tube < 1402421437 94385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, ais < 1402421440 479071 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :water is incompressible < 1402421446 39134 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, no? < 1402421450 745700 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think water pressure /is/? < 1402421455 228961 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's caused by the compression of wate < 1402421456 766308 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*water < 1402421468 712168 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how big is your pool? < 1402421468 924771 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you assume that a) water pressure exists, and b) water is incompressible, that explains why you're getting silly results < 1402421506 369138 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or put it another way: assume I have two completely sealed boxes of water, one at 1 atmosphere of pressure, the other at 3 atmospheres of pressure < 1402421510 494924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no seriously, the pressure might be caused by compression but that compression is negligible in terms of volume < 1402421524 700788 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the difference between the boxes that determines the difference in pressure? < 1402421530 740974 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer: one has more water molecules than the other < 1402421535 985568 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why when you're scuba diving you never get crushed, your body's largely made of incompressible water < 1402421541 628579 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, ais, that's completely wrong < 1402421561 264735 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Properties_of_water#Compressibility < 1402421564 76754 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you don't get crushed because the water inside your body increases in pressure to match the water outside < 1402421573 373985 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you take a serious pool, 25*20*3m, then if I haven't messed up my calculations you'll need something like 150 liters of water to compensate for 200kPa of extra pressure. < 1402421580 241828 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :which by your logic would require that it should be compressible < 1402421589 54113 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, *that it should be compressed < 1402421611 577590 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: your link doesn't contradict what I or int-e are saying < 1402421626 486673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The low compressibility of non-gases, and of water in particular, leads to their often being assumed as incompressible. The low compressibility of water means that even in the deep oceans at 4 km depth, where pressures are 40 MPa, there is only a 1.8% decrease in volume." < 1402421645 850978 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that water compressibility is low means that the pressure will increase quite rapidly as you put more water into the swimming pool < 1402421647 536242 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4km depth is ~400 atmospheres, for reference) < 1402421663 252749 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it's only a very small extra proportion, like in your experiment < 1402421668 25429 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't have that much extra to increase < 1402421690 17579 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, it's possible btw that i'm misinterpreting the formula for pressure in a static fluid < 1402421692 983334 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(150l, of course, is ridculously small compared to the 1.5 million liters that the pool contains) < 1402421727 731263 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, I guess if you "fill the tube with water" < 1402421739 825003 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that involves adding enough water into the tube to increase the pressure of the swimming pool to 3atm < 1402421752 580290 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will be more than the capacity of the tube, but not by all that much because water compresses poorly < 1402421758 405764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, specifically, the density * gravitational field strength * depth formula < 1402421798 138078 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's just for calculating the pressure. if you turn it into a proper intregral it's even true for compressible fluids < 1402421814 524775 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i know < 1402421877 137349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my reasoning is that because it's 20m from the pool to the surface of the water (in the tube), the pressure in the pool is the same as if the entire pool were 20m deep < 1402421889 148513 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's just that you're multiplying something ridiculously small (compressibility of water) by something ridiculously large (the surface area of the pool divided by that of the hole and cylinder above) < 1402421909 384969 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes, that's true < 1402421928 231816 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you just add enough water to fill the tube, the tube won't be full. < 1402421948 79242 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you keep pouring water in until the tube is full, then you will have 3atm of pressure at the bottom of the pool < 1402421948 695869 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the water in the pool is compressed just a litte. < 1402421963 368678 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1402421966 384368 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: at the top actually :) < 1402421981 747118 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound unreasonable actually < 1402421984 37380 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh. depending on how you hold the tube.) < 1402421997 572476 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: err, of the top of the pool itself, yeah < 1402422003 197829 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pressure at the top of the tube is 1atm, obviously < 1402422199 225258 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I'm reading some of the rest of the article Phantom_Hoover linked to < 1402422209 131109 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thought "huh, I'd never wondered before today whether ice conducted electricity" < 1402422390 497019 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D17B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1402422414 664547 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When typing an address on an envelope, is it supposed to be Pica or Elite? < 1402422518 341114 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D17B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1402422552 415034 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402422557 576806 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: whichever one fits 10 characters to the inch, IIRC < 1402422560 331520 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget which is which < 1402422570 996937 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1402422578 541217 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wider one, that is < 1402422609 268828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instructions say Pica is ten character per inch < 1402422643 175324 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, Elite must be 12 per inch < 1402422644 232585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess int-e's explanation is correct < 1402422655 976078 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though... idk, if you used a less compressible fluid...) < 1402422729 101159 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: this is like the thought experiment of a perfectly inelastic floor < 1402422760 136980 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes anything placed on it much more fragile, as a result < 1402422796 877038 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just a couple orders of magnitude less! < 1402422831 672516 :AndChat|570836!~AndChat57@2600:1012:b026:2430:665e:7e4f:753b:e23a JOIN :#esoteric < 1402422837 654141 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't absorb impact of stuff? < 1402422896 744275 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: yep < 1402422897 596827 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402422921 60138 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ofc, it's impossible to place a perfectly inelastic object on a perfectly inelastic floor unless you slow it down to a speed of exactly 0 as it touches < 1402422925 383389 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, one or the other mustb reak < 1402422930 453995 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*break < 1402422936 792157 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then go on breaking, and go on breaking, ad infinitum < 1402422955 784690 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until they end up as dust so fine any elasticity properties become meaningless < 1402422962 556630 :micha2718l!~AndChat57@cpe-172-250-98-136.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402422969 627868 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno though, this isn't that extreme < 1402423008 65046 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did run through the calculations, but with a small pool and a more incompressible fluid you could still recreate the desired effect < 1402423048 771609 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just hire a swimming pool and find out? < 1402423062 435962 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the 'airtight seal over the pool' part < 1402423064 577229 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the hard part is finding a seal for the top which can withstand 3atm of pressure) < 1402423107 585150 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/reveal.rb?easy+regexp/irori_1173885553&hs i love haskell code like this am i bad < 1402423142 851744 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1402423148 335729 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402423152 574056 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't think to make you love Haskell code like whatever make you bad < 1402423175 470676 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that third line defining an operator #? < 1402423180 929105 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1402423184 169213 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, in OCaml, you have to use prefix notation to define an operator < 1402423185 376448 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones below it define % < 1402423282 519671 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 NICK :Bicyclidine < 1402423311 529802 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D17B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1402423311 730288 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1402423338 192520 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god: the m -> (%) -> (#) -> m mutual recursion. it's so good < 1402423377 463390 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what single ascii chars are available as operators if you have just Prelude loaded? < 1402423378 558196 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402423402 201463 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402423449 521804 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know % ? and # are popular in code golf, that i know of < 1402423486 534027 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i guess & is available. because that's a lens thing < 1402423496 369790 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(imagines Lens golf, shudders) < 1402423529 418356 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1402423576 799115 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D17B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1402423608 587337 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402423614 404343 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 2 + 2 = 5 in 2 + 2 < 1402423616 318313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1402423648 636643 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's (%), (?), (#), (&), (!) < 1402423649 200453 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 2 + 2 = 5 in 1 + 1 < 1402423650 797447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: :3:5-13: Non-exhaustive patterns in function + < 1402423707 769025 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wonderful unicode punctuation, which anagol, however, counts as multiple bytes < 1402423727 991463 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402423777 760101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: Which it should, but maybe it can still help if you use the high codepoint symbols for less used ones < 1402423788 912517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Anagol also uses binary formats too) < 1402423789 990391 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (☃) = (+) in 2 ☃ 2 < 1402423791 804734 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1402423910 517662 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402424063 568475 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it uses UTF-8, though, you're wasting bytes by using non-ASCII characters < 1402424170 797576 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mrnkmocbplixplbh JOIN :#esoteric < 1402424179 888471 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> generalCategory '☃' < 1402424181 690813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : OtherSymbol < 1402425110 100571 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:GermanyBoy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39788&oldid=39738 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+449) 10 < 1402425174 377023 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D17B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1402425174 577891 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1402425338 266800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Yes, that is it. But it is what I am saying, one characters with more than seven bits, will use more bytes to encode using UTF-8 so you would use those for less often codes. < 1402425392 701696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are using a programming language/interpreter/compiler that doesn't require UTF-8, then you can do a lot more too, since you are not limited to UTF-8 encoding and can therefore shorten some things. < 1402425475 753850 :AndChat|570836!~AndChat57@2600:1012:b026:2430:665e:7e4f:753b:e23a QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402425551 307388 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1402425606 383517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had idea about writing a Japanese-style manga using some help (although I probably never would do so, actually). It is called "Pokemon Card", and in it Professor Oak invents Pokemon Card, and the pokemons can talk (including the ones pictured on the cards) too, and many strange thing like you find in Akagi too. < 1402425619 297147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would such a things interest you at all? I am just curious. < 1402425685 468342 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( update S [True,"foo",Z] < 1402425685 668934 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04[04True04, 04"foo"04, 04104] : 12HVect 04[12Bool04, 12String04, 12Nat04] < 1402425692 980608 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( update not [True,"foo",Z] < 1402425693 180679 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04[04False04, 04"foo"04, 04004] : 12HVect 04[12Bool04, 12String04, 12Nat04] < 1402425721 241555 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( update (++ "bar") [True,"foo",Z] < 1402425721 441659 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04[04True04, 04"foobar"04, 04004] : 12HVect 04[12Bool04, 12String04, 12Nat04] < 1402425750 713907 :micha2718l!~AndChat57@172.sub-174-240-133.myvzw.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402425860 878490 :micha2718l!~AndChat57@172.sub-174-240-133.myvzw.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1402425966 876431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402426247 724710 :_1_alexandro2!~19370056@213.186.180.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402426251 768099 :_1_alexandro2!~19370056@213.186.180.81 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1402426294 376748 :_1_alexandro2!~19370056@213.186.180.81 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402426718 365213 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-73-82.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402426804 503002 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402426814 131090 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402426848 411106 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-88-3.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402427229 484100 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402427427 246379 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1402427546 571169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define __NR_oldolduname 59 < 1402427767 290996 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's your old old name? < 1402427767 527546 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: they decided not to waste any brain cells storing obscure unix silliness). < 1402427782 644612 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: p. good decision < 1402427783 69028 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: now i started that mud as roleplayer make one cringe? back in seattle, and hang around here < 1402427988 828749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define __NR_fcntl64 221 < 1402427989 28768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* 223 is unused */ < 1402427989 28930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define __NR_gettid 224 < 1402428017 452776 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :222 is not unused, it's just [REDACTED] < 1402428028 188416 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you having as much fun with syscall.h as I was with the Perl headers? < 1402428058 272384 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402428149 852787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just looking through it, but it turns out it has all sorts of jams. < 1402428158 103474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the Perl headers? < 1402428174 300518 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're massively inconsistent in capitalization style < 1402428188 842654 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have some great names, too < 1402428191 623159 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<+ais523_> also, so far, my favourite macro name inside the Perl core is "SV_CHECK_THINKFIRST_COW_DROP" < 1402428198 979217 :Tod-Autojoined2!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402428199 314535 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402428215 126600 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote COW_DROP < 1402428215 661387 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1402428281 982702 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402428378 130689 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1402428539 389673 :Tod-Autojoined2!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1402428570 209833 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402428721 673706 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lii14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39789 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+5210) 10Created page with "'''Lii''' is a declarative object-oriented language created by [[User:GermanyBoy]] in 2014. It is named after a fictional 31st century tea company Lii Tea (from a SciFi book, ..." < 1402428782 261379 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:GermanyBoy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39790&oldid=39788 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+45) 10/* Summer languages 2014 */ Lii < 1402428819 479460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39791&oldid=39784 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+10) 10/* L */ < 1402428883 33140 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, the reason that macro's required is almost as silly as the name < 1402428949 544030 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402429367 990548 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't even ask the inevitable question < 1402429411 133916 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the deal w/ airline food < 1402429440 413824 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1402429694 480648 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: whatever the deal, it's no big deal < 1402430557 354887 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1402430746 152446 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything in math.h is deterministic, right? i'm losing my mind here < 1402430761 156646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402430790 556392 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it's mostly just undefined behavior < 1402431299 899837 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC math.h might have some uncertainty in the last bit or somesuch < 1402431319 200355 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they can't guarantee precision on all the bits for all special functions < 1402431325 273368 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so it might depend on the implementation < 1402431382 491400 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the basic functions have a precision that is guaranteed to be deterministic < 1402431433 280362 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402431450 666386 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm getting results divergent by a multiple of 10^280 or so, is the thing < 1402431474 391948 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well what's 10^280, really < 1402431478 785987 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barely a thing < 1402431499 198764 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i can no longer reproduce the nondeterminism, so, thinking my computer's haunted or such < 1402431523 864812 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gods of computers are smiling on you < 1402431558 461250 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it stopped nondtermining on the results with 2800 dB < 1402431607 645332 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1024/log 10 * log 2 < 1402431609 746905 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 308.2547155599167 < 1402431645 64219 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if math.h follows IEEE (which may or may not be required by C), then I think most operations are defined to give the exact result according to some rules < 1402431762 654500 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1402431762 855066 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some stuff might not have such requirements? < 1402431768 741020 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? math < 1402431769 215509 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :math? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1402431948 926857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i recall from previous discussion that there are some operations where it is not known how to calculate the perfectly rounded result, so either of the neighboring closest numbers is accepted. < 1402431973 634885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*efficiently calculate < 1402432029 170653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trigonometry and stuff, iirc < 1402432069 548695 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas IEEE does not define the "f(n) if machine n halts, otherwise zero" operation < 1402432194 365658 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pi14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39792&oldid=39717 5* 0363.251.123.2 5* (+48) 10add link to IDEOne copy < 1402432228 972519 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(n) = 1 < 1402432241 707739 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1402432267 364792 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(n) = 0 is easier to handle < 1402432399 418539 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402432401 295502 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402432401 625706 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402432409 777988 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1402432414 377634 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1402432420 552307 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1402432590 415232 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402432610 362658 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pi14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39793&oldid=39792 5* 0363.251.123.2 5* (+0) 10is [[:Category:Brainfuck equivalents]] < 1402432758 636544 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1402432820 728477 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de PART :#esoteric < 1402432846 521626 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is Photo Library? < 1402432997 517491 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :those Phising mails get more confusing < 1402433020 852942 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not even sure whether it's a serious phishing mail or a serious extortion mail or a serious joke < 1402433055 182432 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it' doesn't even say which website it tries to phish < 1402433084 604274 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :try replying ;) < 1402433279 996731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: did someone point out yet that p^(x*y) == (p^x)^y ? < 1402433290 144443 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1402433296 172213 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1402433296 948916 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1402433299 487900 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no < 1402433302 152484 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already knew that < 1402433322 82638 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, freefall has a stand-up comedian :) < 1402433338 476662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then obviously if p^x is 1, so is p^(x*y) < 1402433347 940895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and this all works mod N) < 1402433381 659036 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1^(0/0) < 1402433383 804889 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Real.Integral b0) < 1402433384 43089 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘GHC.Real.^’ < 1402433384 43235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (GHC.Num.Num a) < 1402433384 43325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : bound by the inferred type of it :: GHC.Num.Num a => a at Top level < 1402433384 43413 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘b0’ is ambiguous < 1402433386 793220 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1**(0/0) < 1402433388 512660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0 < 1402433405 155326 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. the tough part was figuring out that you can rewrite a^(x*y^(k+1)) as a^(x*(y^k)*y) < 1402433429 206897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish ~ < 1402433467 378601 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not very good at match) < 1402433471 667563 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :math < 1402433476 919230 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also not very good at spelling < 1402433484 26798 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I can write 120 WPM < 1402433512 828208 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 0 W P M. < 1402433513 864447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finedish < 1402433524 460891 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't so hard :P < 1402433531 325509 :Sorella_!~queen@201.80.215.200 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402433535 471229 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I overuse those smileys, don't I. < 1402433541 172499 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, :P < 1402433548 593103 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I went to Alton Towers today < 1402433550 860725 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was fun < 1402433558 769365 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 words per minute feels really fast < 1402433567 940400 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but compared to the guys who can write 200 WPM it's slow as hell < 1402433578 471165 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing as the average internet user is somewhere around 60 WPM < 1402433587 958960 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 120^2/200 -- hell, in words per minute < 1402433589 856872 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 72.0 < 1402433602 64382 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I don't really beleive but that's what does websites say < 1402433608 712610 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :60 WPM is terribly slow < 1402433611 425473 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do that one handed < 1402433641 604871 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402433644 977505 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn to touch-type. I've been thinking that for 15 years :) < 1402433658 365385 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :on touchscreen keyboards? < 1402433665 17031 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402433666 339315 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402433667 90126 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402433667 984311 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402433668 839065 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402433670 778885 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the meantime I tend to type faster than I think. < 1402433687 24455 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to write phonetically < 1402433687 752720 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: no, on normal mechanical ones < 1402433692 860535 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, yeah, same < 1402433703 592809 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have no real reason to learn touch typing, except perhaps to get slightly more time left over for thinking < 1402433707 525050 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402433709 228688 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost wrote "advantage" instead of "about it" a few minutes ago < 1402433730 140631 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's touch-type then? < 1402433744 80834 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be more (or less) ergonomic to do touch typing than ad-hoc typing though < 1402433747 104414 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :typing with most fingers resting on the home row < 1402433765 302131 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"d) is typing without using the sense of sight to find the keys." < 1402433782 177890 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike hunt-and-peck typing where the hands wander all over the keyboard. < 1402433793 964779 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(often but not always at horrible speed) < 1402433796 220743 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :home row is a stupid concept I think < 1402433814 838222 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can ask the fastest typer in the world and he'll say the same thing < 1402433831 869196 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a guy? < 1402433832 164496 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :your hands are supposed to wander all over the place < 1402433850 138631 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: I don't really know if he's officially the fastest < 1402433853 508548 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but his > 200WPM < 1402433855 381765 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*he's < 1402433880 361138 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way I type is an extension of hunt-and-peck I think < 1402433884 44435 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use the home row < 1402433891 443348 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks banks < 1402433892 394888 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, banks. Thanks. < 1402433895 992937 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fingers wander all over the place when necessary < 1402433904 920700 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can type without looking at the keyboard of course < 1402433929 145248 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is, that you can use your index finger < 1402433939 807367 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :close your eyes, move the index finger to your nose < 1402433951 541276 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then somebody says a key and you can press that key with your index finger < 1402433956 44216 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :without looking < 1402433962 357184 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: could you check whether you mean WPM or CPM please? < 1402433968 287031 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's CPM? < 1402433975 488918 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :characters per second < 1402434008 310059 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's WPM < 1402434011 540931 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :per minute even < 1402434034 337612 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a word is defined as 5 characters < 1402434040 373100 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 120*5 < 1402434042 113726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 600 < 1402434049 55234 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 600 characters per minute < 1402434058 492037 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not counting spaces I think < 1402434069 429464 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 600/60 < 1402434071 536612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10.0 < 1402434078 75107 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 10 characters per second < 1402434126 339236 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402434149 309868 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :To type that fast you memorize word patterns and just spill them out very fast < 1402434155 322899 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "twitching" your finger < 1402434179 437476 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like contest, content, sentence can be written incredibly fast < 1402434183 411030 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402434183 611384 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402434218 278744 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :other words like quickly are harder for me to type < 1402434230 482718 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :omnious < 1402434234 169051 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly due to two vowels in a row < 1402434257 60507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(including a free typo!) < 1402434258 980808 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only use my left index finger to type < 1402434274 589832 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I can't write words with two or more vowels in a row fast < 1402434285 278174 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(left index finger to type vowels) < 1402434318 513190 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvorak? < 1402434329 382713 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also obviously I can't keep up 120 WPM for more than two minutes :D < 1402434331 253002 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yep < 1402434435 684572 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can type on it better because my left hand is clumsy < 1402434452 243848 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dvorak enables me to type vowels with my left hand and rest I can write with my very nimble right hand < 1402434478 36834 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my pinky finger are somewhat "trigger fingerish" < 1402434486 106079 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I dont' really use them to type too < 1402434495 217925 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which breaks the whole home row system anyway < 1402434509 101676 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402434535 354113 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402434560 50081 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: are you using qwerty? < 1402434572 424967 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402434594 971016 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still waiting for text to speech programming < 1402434609 114529 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will probably bring other programming languages to live < 1402434641 729241 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying int space main paranthesis right int space argc comma char asteriks asteriks ... is tedious < 1402434665 991604 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1402434668 188719 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's speech to text < 1402434674 661348 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I'm using a qwerty layout keyboard < 1402434676 109711 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPUTER, PLOT A COURSE TO THE B NEBULA < 1402434734 320904 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is already slightly odd in Austria) < 1402434751 259704 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're an ostritch? < 1402434772 626301 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :austrian < 1402434798 275018 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm from Germany originally. Close enough. < 1402434803 649099 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1402434811 173930 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dann kannst du ja Deutsch :) < 1402434820 270942 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nie und nimmer. < 1402434839 877704 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "ostrich" actually... < 1402434856 315943 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case I use English all the time. < 1402434866 548664 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at home too? < 1402434881 43381 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being single, yes, certainly. < 1402434884 722779 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1402434909 288033 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reading english books, being on english speaking IRC channels, reading... well, all sorts of computer related stuff) < 1402434915 643548 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah me too < 1402434930 291762 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading english books, watching tv series in english, movies in english < 1402434939 92343 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually think in english < 1402434944 885084 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :dreams too sometimes < 1402434956 565902 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: g2g < 1402434962 592551 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by thinking I mean those monologues you do in your brain < 1402434975 572101 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what you mean < 1402435110 675078 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402435127 166808 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only use it "written" though < 1402435134 82578 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one to "talk" to < 1402435193 255255 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working in academia, and a few of my colleagues don't even speak german. < 1402435340 997006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :schrecklich < 1402435383 356840 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugloubli < 1402435445 272220 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :unmglisch < 1402435558 410979 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402435767 409836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402436542 559206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402437668 276869 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402437787 129370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402438012 279163 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402438037 103017 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Client Quit < 1402439210 24835 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1402439513 530062 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402439694 205330 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402440208 608585 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402441501 546683 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402441514 731226 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402441755 612569 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1402442216 354019 :Sorella_!~queen@201.80.215.200 NICK :Sorella < 1402442225 676890 :Sorella!~queen@201.80.215.200 QUIT :Changing host < 1402442225 876617 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1402443040 434325 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-88-3.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402443098 394481 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402443145 633471 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-81-196.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402443895 42322 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402443951 298566 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402444392 262605 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402444576 287593 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402444792 174902 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402445858 539012 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402447247 696561 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402447991 432279 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402448207 119436 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402448582 431981 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402448929 364418 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit in shock about this elixir-lang.org unit testing example < 1402448949 424248 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a testing DSL not written in weird pseudoenglish! < 1402451074 989021 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402454435 234208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a table to compare different online quiz systems. There are some details I have not been able to determine. Do you know? Furthermore, maybe I can also add more rows/columns based on your requests/investigations, too? < 1402454913 913514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See gopher://zzo38computer.org/0textfile/miscellaneous/onlinequiz.txt or http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/onlinequiz.txt for more information please. < 1402454921 655497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of any that I have missed? < 1402455139 732595 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Windows App store does not have any apps that support gopher < 1402455384 345227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then don't use the Windows App store. Or, download the file over HTTP. (Or, both!) < 1402455609 161363 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1402455677 550991 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-81-196.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402455782 411071 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402456596 963407 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402456646 266438 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402457145 606387 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1402457299 470300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which online quiz system have you used at all? < 1402457372 922438 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help i keep calling spiderman superman < 1402457466 167142 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure i started typing superman first even in that line < 1402457978 354152 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help im addicted to stacksort < 1402458010 130742 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get hype sgeo < 1402458137 728462 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help im addicted to starting statements with help < 1402458181 949244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think I used Internet Quiz Engine once. < 1402458223 528560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: whoa, https://gist.github.com/kmcallister/5342238 < 1402458423 285653 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You have used? Have you used others, and whether or not, what is your opinion of such things please? < 1402458437 486205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember whether I used it. < 1402458457 908743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, you only *thought* you used it... < 1402458462 745882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it? < 1402458484 511588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what is your opinion of that chart, then? < 1402458523 805231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it running on your gopher server? < 1402458553 136752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet Quiz Engine is running on my gopher server. < 1402458563 209610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I don't have a gopher client here. < 1402458607 84697 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write one if you want; is not too difficult to do. You can read the chart downloaded from HTTP or gopher; it is available on both. < 1402458639 613085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And simply downloading a file from gopher is pretty easy; to pipe "echo" into "nc" and then piping or redirecting the output of that, will work just fine.) < 1402458700 360237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, to download that chart over gopher, connect to port 70 of my computer, and then send "textfile/miscellaneous/onlinequiz.txt" (without the quotation marks) and a carriage return and line feed. The response is entirely the file; there is no header. < 1402458799 101583 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402458839 696150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I just send a line feed? < 1402458893 535832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own server will accept that, although to be standards-compliant you should use both. < 1402458911 942116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Other servers are not guaranteed to accept it.) < 1402458921 464716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although they probably do anyways.) < 1402459364 417080 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402459502 803575 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds almost like HTTP 0.9 < 1402459533 614577 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which iirc causes security problems for the web in its mere existence somehow. I forget how though < 1402459563 63151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's mentioned in _The Tangled Web_ < 1402459564 541281 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it lack of content-type header? < 1402459586 190349 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lcamtuf is smart < 1402459588 849960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP 0.9 does not cause security problems by itself, but in combination with other things, it is capable of doing so. < 1402459590 769426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make somebody go to http://whatever:25 and it'll try to interpret the SMTP server's response as HTML < 1402459603 850648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes you can manage to get javascript in there somehow < 1402459610 300073 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh right < 1402459614 720742 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402459625 521424 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also if you get javascript in :25 thats a diff origin than :80 < 1402459629 660238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1402459632 851486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what all is going on here < 1402459637 41104 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is for cookies < 1402459637 930885 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That isn't really much of a security issue, *as long as cookies specify the port number too* < 1402459639 284736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think cookies have different rules than other origin stuff < 1402459641 467688 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is for XMLHttpRequest < 1402459642 701307 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all completely fucked basically < 1402459649 220135 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why fuck cookies < 1402459653 841717 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe not on all versions of IE.. i know ie has some weird things with origins sometimes < 1402459662 609063 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie. I believe localhost is one origin, no matter what port, in IE < 1402459688 474415 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: you need to send P3P headers to do cross-origin domain cookie stuff, I ... think. Which may make IE more secure than Chrome/Firefox in some circumstances. < 1402459690 728867 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you dont use any "ambient credentials" lots of web problems go away < 1402459694 439740 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so do lots of web solutions :) < 1402459697 374954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, full HTTP clients shouldn't use headerless requests/responses; only lightweight clients should do so. < 1402459714 364107 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: but localhost:80 and localhost:25 are not cross-origin < 1402459738 59993 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in IE) < 1402459819 413428 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned a new web thing today.. "" tag.. not closeable.. "deprecated" and unsupported, but works on all the big browsers < 1402459821 976700 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Using SSH for interactive service and authentication and security, causes much better security. One possible security issue would then be escape codes to change key bindings, although that can be fixed really easily. Another possible security issue would then be trusted X forwarding, but you can just disable trusted X forwarding. < 1402459830 565633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: I have used <plaintext> actually < 1402459833 284128 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only thing I found so far that didnt honor it properly was lynx) < 1402459838 379368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I knew it about a lot < 1402459875 770374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: yeah, it's in the HTML5 Living Standard: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/tokenization.html#plaintext-state < 1402459878 808712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Security issues between servers don't exist with SSH. < 1402459883 192061 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there old HTML stuff othat also still exists? < 1402459891 363041 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that input thing that took over the browser? < 1402459898 697461 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in fairness if you're going to compare apples to apples, you should prob compare ssh to using client certs in https < 1402459901 24145 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which specifies exact handling of a lot of erroneous markup that is officially deprecated and unsupported and wrong < 1402459916 320111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is currently implementing the html5 syntax standard... < 1402459919 217727 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not took over. But it was one input field a document < 1402459930 664951 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, its in html5 standard? MDN said its "deprecated" since "html 2.0" < 1402459938 744606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1402459943 932257 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mdn wrong.. go figger < 1402459949 225845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is < 1402459951 220641 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the info, i didnt know < 1402459961 885319 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point of HTML5 is to provide precise error handling behavior for all kinds of bad deprecated wrong things < 1402459964 226100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: I know HTTPS supports certificates, but there is still HTML and HTTP and stuff to deal with!!! Also, the authentication in HTTPS isn't quite best anyways < 1402459976 552357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one part of the spec that says what constitutes "correct" HTML and another part which says how browsers have to handle incorrect HTML < 1402459988 579425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But about <plaintext>, you could use XML to avoid such issue? < 1402459989 132166 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how is the auth in https unlike the auth in ssh? < 1402459996 126895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can feed poorly written geocities HTML from 1995 into a modern HTML5 parser and get as plausible a "correct" result as any < 1402459999 815041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: It is a subset, I think. < 1402460010 728710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, not quite. < 1402460032 558282 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, I believe using client certs (and properly verifying both client and server certs) is pretty good auth in https < 1402460033 133109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTPS supports HTTP authentication as well as its own, but SSH authentication supports more secure methods than just simple passwords. < 1402460033 511454 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you feed it into a HTML5 /validator/ it will scream bloody murder < 1402460041 279790 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ISINDEX> < 1402460046 233289 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https isnt passwords, its certificate-based < 1402460048 792307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also use public/private key pairs, and that stuff < 1402460049 195546 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does <ISINDEX> exist in HTML5? < 1402460065 201199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: You still need a password to log in, though, even though a certificate is used. < 1402460087 507004 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily. a server could accept a client certificate as authentication without requiring a password < 1402460112 516151 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they often dont solely because they arent implemented at the same layers (ie. some apps dont "know"that client certs are being used, and so require their own auth layer) < 1402460122 671142 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would also be the case when tunneling http over ssh < 1402460141 584614 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: I didn't know about client certificate, although yes I can see the problem. < 1402460142 400761 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, i remember isindex < 1402460154 405998 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the solution is *don't* tunnel HTTP over SSH; tunnel the application directly. < 1402460158 570570 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.the-pope.com/isin.shtml < 1402460158 770116 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wikipedia says it was invalid in 4 strict, i don't know how that transfers to 5 < 1402460211 752783 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my favorite little bit of the historical cruft is how <u> and <i> are retrofitted into the whole presentation/content whatever distinction < 1402460230 899955 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think <nextid> was for use by some HTML generator? < 1402460308 109631 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This element served to enable the NeXT web designing tool to generate automatic NAME labels for its anchors" < 1402460327 870353 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is also probably one of the least understood of all of the early HTML elements, being poorly documented, not explained in any depth anywhere, and those who obviously understood how it worked couldn't be bothered to explain it to the rest of us." < 1402460338 19717 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NeXT had web tools, huh < 1402460348 860369 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw did everyone hear that xanadu has a working demo now. < 1402460351 267645 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.the-pope.com/nextid.html < 1402460359 840089 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is the pope anyway? < 1402460369 540605 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :francis i, i think < 1402460370 976895 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: isnt <blink> the best historic tag? < 1402460395 547376 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ok the top of the site looks like alt-catholics and they're nutso. < 1402460433 532422 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: blink wasn't even standard!! inferior. < 1402460446 475169 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"standards" heh.. < 1402460452 538036 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the web was never very compliant :) < 1402460468 635251 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the rest of the site was apparently built using legacy HTML < 1402460471 173338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML/HTTPS is just a big mess in these times. < 1402460471 468783 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :u and i are funny because they tried to hammer them out back in 4 but then they decided they, like, totally had semantic meaning, man < 1402460472 161020 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wonder the interest < 1402460472 511458 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.the-pope.com/cgi/topical.pl < 1402460506 321015 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an alt-catholic church near me that i found out about because splc classed them as a hate group, so like, yeah < 1402460511 982650 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt <b> pretty much formatting too? < 1402460517 879785 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1402460535 827016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What is an "alt-catholic church" and how is it hate groups too? < 1402460553 612325 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :html is in generall pretty lame. < 1402460570 910315 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did... did hypertext not exist in the earliest versionss of hypertext markup language? < 1402460571 240638 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: my incorrect term for catholics who reject various modern catholic rules, most usually the Vatican II conference thingie, so they're out of communion < 1402460580 186764 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not understand why these words are not hypertext < 1402460580 711092 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ages ago back in college the cs dept guys would write html with a preprocessor that was very much tex-like. macros and similar syntax < 1402460582 417845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: O, OK. < 1402460584 531320 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better than html :) < 1402460600 420239 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{b this is bold} or something like that < 1402460611 19382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1402460622 612548 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most importantly though -- supported macros < 1402460625 626896 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, the pope, why? < 1402460629 577024 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why html doesnt do macros is beyond me < 1402460632 828232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are security issues, very complicated implementation-related stuff, and so much confusions, even problem with different kind of user interfaces you need separate files for each one, etc. < 1402460689 413552 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gopher doesn't have any of these problems (although it doesn't have security either, but it doesn't really need it; if you want it anyways you can tunnel it over SSH). For applications with authentication and interactivity and so on, SSH should be used. < 1402460694 436093 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the usual term is "traditionalist" < 1402460720 492307 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka "luddite" < 1402460735 791258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gopher is suitable such as well for desktop, touch-screen, even scantron form, all without needing separate file on the server for each one. < 1402460745 60954 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for hate group, i looked at their website, it had stuff about how they'd throw you out if you were a woman wearing pants or something so i stopped < 1402460785 186551 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of like the plan9/acme style of "hypertext" more than the html style. < 1402460797 81230 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xanadu maaaaan < 1402460806 183479 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least it seems more promising.. html has really been explored a lot more fully < 1402460833 342309 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically you write rules that say how text is to be interpretted, and those rules apply automatically to the text, without explicit markup < 1402460853 839818 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for example if there's an "http://www.foo.com/bar" it knows "thats an url for a web page, use the browser" < 1402460857 661549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to use plain text documents for a lot of things; it mean you can download and view file just fine even without web-browser software. < 1402460866 552711 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think hypertext should work as bush originally envisioned it. microfilm. < 1402460867 940201 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if there's a "/file/path:lineno" it knows "thats a file location, use an editor" < 1402460884 197758 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you dont like the linking rules, you tweak them to suit your needs < 1402460884 397377 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... url schema? < 1402460887 615145 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1402460933 572918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you think of plan9? < 1402460940 317699 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like your kind of thing < 1402460953 430094 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.the-pope.com/lostHTML.htm < 1402460960 858596 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, this person knows of HTML 5.0 < 1402461014 404354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't know much about, but I think it has some good ideas involved certainly. The Plan9 file protocol also would be suitable for example, to connect to hard disks and file servers and stuff using a TCP/IP protocol, whether or not the device natively uses such thing. < 1402461020 642374 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway in plan9 its the "plumber" that does this, and it has support integrated into the acme environment (among other places). docs are here http://swtch.com/plan9port/man/man4/plumber.html < 1402461070 837140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan9 is not a bad design. < 1402461092 98649 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are these <hp0> things? < 1402461102 673946 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tags of the devil < 1402461105 380547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: qemu lets you share a directory on the host as a 9p filesystem mounted by the guest < 1402461134 580256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, that is good idea too < 1402461140 454267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might be one of the main uses of 9p anymore < 1402461157 777370 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"However, protest from the Joe Sixpack programmers" < 1402461181 497121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: line numbers are good, I have a small script which lets me write "vim foo.rs:1234" and it will open foo.rs and jump to line 1234 < 1402461192 892030 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah i have a script like that too :) < 1402461196 579231 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1402461202 118774 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still nicer in plan9 just clickign on it < 1402461207 527205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exists in the platonic realm of shell scripts < 1402461219 687895 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also plan9's supports filename:5-10 and filename:/main/ and other goodies < 1402461259 976935 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think 9p is also used by some window manager or other, too (not to mention plan9ports, which is a plan9-like mini environment on modern unix) < 1402461301 730789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use multi mouse button for other functions, for example left to copy, middle to paste, right to activate, might be one way. < 1402461315 148875 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does filename:/main/ mean? < 1402461322 113998 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: open file, search regex < 1402461327 700672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1402461328 616378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1402461354 277287 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember i thought up a system GUI once that was basically chrome < 1402461357 388165 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget if chromebooks do it < 1402461368 495304 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.the-pope.com/sgmlcraz.html < 1402461370 132318 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cos i had my computer set up to never have sub-screen windows. < 1402461373 755625 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nifty thing of having the ability to clikc that, you just put /* see main.c:/main/ */ in your src and now yoru src's have xref hyperlinks < 1402461406 662930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i used to have a windows 98SE install where i told it to launch quake 3 instead of explorer.exe < 1402461409 867136 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :p9 man pages are like that too, you just click on man pages to go to other man pages, or to go straight to the srcs < 1402461410 940022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boot2quake3 < 1402461415 174115 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1402461421 603488 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've probably seen the sysadmin-through-doom thing < 1402461425 872424 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Yes, I can see that can nicely too < 1402461426 672299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1402461427 444026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :psdoom < 1402461432 242939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoyed that a lot as a kid :) < 1402461432 442474 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good stuff < 1402461433 126537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of good things google code search is so good < 1402461441 903320 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could prob do that in yyour editor if its html based, but you'dhave to use explicit markup somehow < 1402461443 579034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish it still existed externally and searched everything < 1402461449 101037 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs. just writing a rule to auto-markup < 1402461540 905172 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vimeo.com/64487176 <- plumber demo on vimeo < 1402461549 420517 :tertu!~tertu@184-97-163-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402461605 302148 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to make on Linux virtual console that you can push mouse to copy/paste a text between them, and the PAUSE to pause window, and SCROLL LOCK to do a scrollback by keys (page-up/page-down) and make it buffer rather than display further text? < 1402461678 368593 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you can scrollup on console while it continues to buffer more output < 1402461691 334085 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can definitely do it in tmux and screen < 1402461720 539617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never tried pushing SCROLL LOCK on Linux to see what it does, so I don't know. < 1402461739 247082 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think its control-pageup or something like that to scrollback on linux console? < 1402461742 351364 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe alt? < 1402461767 268333 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried those things either. How do you set the scroll buffer size? < 1402461939 230905 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :baked into kernel srcs i imagine? i dont know offhand < 1402461966 302476 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO-18.html < 1402462014 175069 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda funny how x has its own keyboard stuff, so i end up having different layouts for x and console since i haven't bothered with the latter < 1402462060 778168 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, lsub.org guys made a plan9-like system that had an http-like protocol (back to original topci of html and gopher): http://lsub.org/ls/export/opiwp9.pdf < 1402462069 300821 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like a stripped down and simplified 9p < 1402462219 1053 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like my distro has its own setup for console keyboard configuration wooooo < 1402462221 387373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the command to tell aptitude and other package managers to load the packages from a DVD? < 1402462296 384971 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely aptitude is agnostic, you just gotta mount the device and do whatever < 1402462309 244479 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dpkg -i /media/fuckparty2004.deb < 1402462454 108514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you tell to temporarily specify to access DVD for its built-in list of packages? I know proxy is possible, as I have seen it done. < 1402462539 33136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 7-Zip can also open .deb packages < 1402462567 507505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :7-Zip supports many formats, including a few which are not mentioned in the documentation. < 1402462697 512270 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If a DVD has a proper repository, you should be able to use apt-cdrom add. If you just want to install a random .deb file, dpkg --unpack foo.deb && apt-get -f install < 1402462751 697656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, it opens Visual Pinball table files just fine. It also opens sections of a EXE file just fine, too. < 1402462751 697851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: O, OK. < 1402462751 955864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only was I curious myself, but someone else who was purchasing a laptop computer from Free Geek wanted to know how to do this, too. < 1402462768 552739 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402462876 54713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once, I was trying to download additional music for PySol. For some reason, it was distributed as a Macintosh disk image, but I tried to open it with 7-Zip and it worked. < 1402462876 54802 :tertu!~tertu@184-97-163-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402462905 416878 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402462955 134042 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh. reminds me of when i tried marathon mods < 1402462957 56173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether or not 7-Zip is available on Linux or Macintosh computers, but probably it can be ported if it isn't. < 1402462963 419619 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402462966 622668 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a bonus level that you get by decompressing some hex in the game, twice < 1402462976 623097 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the catch being the compression format didn't outlive the mac 9 < 1402463000 207339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Did you try 7-Zip? See if it manages to open it. < 1402463028 373607 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles < 1402463038 292886 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the mac program does open 7z :/ < 1402463076 356636 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the format was proprietary so 7zip would probably have something weird with it < 1402463078 886282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't download the "7za" 7-Zip because it is more limited. You need the full version, although you can safely delete the GUI if you do not want it (this is what I did). < 1402463319 2355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a file contains multiple archive types, you can tell 7-Zip which one to open. < 1402463375 630730 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway back when i tried it seemed like only this program could open it, and possibly only an old version < 1402463843 301002 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the gui is like 80% of why 7zip is good < 1402463855 1594 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other 20% being that it supports tons of formats < 1402463871 709869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I don't need the GUI, though. But it is there if you like it! < 1402463904 511586 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use the tons of formats, myself, and the command-line interface is actually good how I find it, too. < 1402463955 3566 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, integration into the explorer is nice < 1402464100 547065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can, although I do not need it. < 1402464274 81135 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of any music tracker software with two more windows, a SQL window and a MML compiler window? The SQL window can help for editing and MML window can help for writing music, then. < 1402464498 380963 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know of any trackers using sql or mml < 1402464517 421581 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1402464634 362747 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually they are based around a specialized GUI component - the pattern editor (the "grid"), editing music data in a custom binary format < 1402464689 327525 :tertu!~tertu@184-97-163-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402464694 922066 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can be useful to view and tweak music, although I do not find it useful for composing music at all. It also makes the binary format limited in some ways, since it has to fit on the grid. < 1402464717 23254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not suggesting to remove such thing, though. < 1402464776 223329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I mean is that if you want to do something such as "swap channel 2 with channel 3" then you would enter a SQL command to do that, or if you want to detect which instruments are used and what range of notes, you can use SQL command to do that too. < 1402464812 718206 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real reason for the grid's limitations is screen space < 1402464857 175559 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you add more flexibility then you will have too much data to display in your fixed size cell < 1402464861 527502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes, that is one of the things making the grid's limitations, which is also part of the file format's limitations < 1402464881 149999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, you cannot have a lot of effects at once. < 1402464895 600574 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cell cannot vary in height otherwise it would break the layout < 1402464964 356710 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the max number of effects also has to stay constant < 1402464979 118342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you could do is if the cell contains a single effect, it is specified normally; if more than one, you can have a "effect icon" consisting of several colors and if clicked, then you get a window to view/edit each one. < 1402464983 822786 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at madbr ! < 1402464988 245371 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can display easy to read column < 1402464989 103257 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1402464990 765000 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1402465004 459418 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1402465005 806104 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric : b < 1402465008 336264 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric : c < 1402465011 165664 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : in theory yes < 1402465012 817861 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy columns < 1402465023 511470 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : but that sounds inconvenient < 1402465053 614803 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :breaks your muscle memory for doing fast editing < 1402465080 559942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be inconvenient for writing music, but if you are using the MML compiler to write the music and the grid to view/tweak it, then it works. Furthermore, if you are writing music using the grid, you can still use single effects just as easily as before. < 1402465111 618625 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, editing using SQL could also work just as well, too. < 1402465145 932605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing that might introduce multiple effects as once would be MIDI record. < 1402465159 762434 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :midi record is a problem yes < 1402465232 616536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I currently use OpenMPT for viewing and playing music of various formats (and to export instruments and so on). < 1402465298 269825 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :openmpt is designed for writing songs < 1402465346 887529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really find it so suitable for such thing though, although yes it can be used for such, too. < 1402465596 511408 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the whole purpose of the program is to write new music < 1402465612 413487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be used for existing music too though < 1402465722 445366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For writing music I generally use ppMCK, Csound, or just write them as PLAY commands in QBASIC. < 1402465759 653073 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't qbasic's play command monophonic? < 1402465794 311589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is monophonic, although I have used it. < 1402465908 235694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Csound, there are several different programs for editing score (and some edit the orchestra for you too), and some people just write the score and/or orchestra directly in a text editor. I didn't find any of the score editors or the standard format so good, so I wrote my own score compiler, although I just type in the orchestra directly. < 1402465953 80174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Csound numeric score format looks to highly resemble tracker-style formats, so a tracker-style interface for Csound could probably use Csound's own format as their native format. < 1402465977 5101 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Cheese14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39794 5* 0366.215.55.141 5* (+53) 10Created page with "ok I am confused, anybody want to help me understand?" < 1402466020 69176 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1402466279 217992 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheese++ compiler written in Cheese+ which has an interpreter in Cheese < 1402466326 643502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even when I am using ppMCK, it isn't quite the standard one; I have added a few things, the most useful being the * and ? commands, which I use a lot. < 1402466340 720835 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that Cheese itself is ultimately implemented in Feather, considering the time oddities involved < 1402466354 99659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in CsoundMML I have also implemented the * and ? commands. < 1402466468 497232 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're compiling to csound's score format from mml? :D < 1402466474 134023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes. < 1402466507 714070 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that shows that csound's score format might not be good and should've been mml in first place? :D < 1402466567 830098 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I don't know; probably it depends on preference. Some people do write music directly in Csound's score format. Some people prefer GUI. A few other people have written programs similar to MML for Csound, but not as good in my opinion. < 1402466623 4167 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if I am just doing simple sound effects, and not writing a song, I find Csound score format reasonable too. < 1402466646 582928 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is good enough for simple sound effects < 1402466700 734892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often in such a case, the score will only contain possibly some tables and one event, and then write the sound effect in the orchestra. < 1402466836 337054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I much prefer the Csound format over VST (although Csound does support VST, in both directions). < 1402466911 623734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :New effects can be written as combinations of existing effects, or by writing a Csound extension in C. < 1402467116 14008 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people prefer to compose music by writing it on a paper. I can do that too, especially if I am writing in four-part harmony. < 1402467148 639058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But someone I know, just play piano and never writes it down at all. < 1402467183 140848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He says he can never get the timing correct when writing it down or putting it into the computer.) < 1402467284 330785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you use OpenMPT yourself at all? < 1402467440 722048 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Then now write the Cheeeese+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++!!!! compiler, too. < 1402467551 819805 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use impulse tracker which is the precursor < 1402467559 107482 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and runs on dos) < 1402467576 554307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I knew that is a DOS program < 1402467640 241801 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact most of my musical output is still done in that < 1402467686 327797 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mrnkmocbplixplbh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1402467700 696489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not know that. < 1402467872 913121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impulse Tracker format is more sophisticated than MOD and S3M at least, so it does allow more effects at once, by putting some in the volume column, some in the effect column, some in the sample data, and some in the instrument data. To me that looks like somewhat of a mess. < 1402467891 408751 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but I never use the volume column for effects < 1402467901 493630 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's there for volume only < 1402467910 899300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1402467918 208944 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my usage < 1402467933 434804 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you run into the problem that you can't adjust volume anymore if you use it < 1402467961 767594 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402467966 438405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a few effects which work in the volume column though, as I have read the format specifications, although I did not pay much attention how much it is used; but I do think usually they are only volume < 1402467991 233117 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some other people might use them yes < 1402467992 908484 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1402468067 971202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instrument data can also contain volume and panning though < 1402468144 102078 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I use some of the panning stuff in instruments < 1402468150 131761 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :along with channel panning < 1402468344 61443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written an Impulse Tracker file player once; it did feel like somewhat of a mess. < 1402468366 37199 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie : yeah it's not a particularly clean spec < 1402468382 628044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me it doesn't make much sense to make such a mess inside of the file format; to me is more sensible having external program compiling such effect into the correct sequences needed in the file, and then the player does not need to know about them. < 1402468398 730340 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :has bizzarre throwbacks to stuff like amiga pitch clock frequencies :D < 1402468470 817279 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : that's like, a baked output format < 1402468490 402199 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the old genesis music format that was a dump of all register writes < 1402468495 163958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes, I think it would work better. < 1402468508 627137 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have to be a two step thing < 1402468513 911892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :An alternative would be to use a VM, like .NSF uses. < 1402468522 460492 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need a format for editing the data < 1402468541 86707 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then a second format for exporting the data to external players < 1402468560 662357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes, you would need such a thing, certainly. But I still think it would work better, and make it more extensible without modifying the players. < 1402468566 24534 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah nsf is a good example of second format < 1402468611 257349 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"preparsed .it" would be a useful thing yes < 1402468613 792490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes and there are a few different programs to compile into .NSF: NerdTracker, FamiTracker, ppMCK, etc. < 1402468730 483245 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nite < 1402468731 447179 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Rouringu de hajikunda! < 1402468923 22866 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If we make the "preparsed .it" format would you work it better then? < 1402469323 400693 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402469328 170541 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lii14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39795&oldid=39789 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-5) 10/* Natural numbers via linked lists */ < 1402469609 55884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would certainly have made my player simpler, but it was a one-off thing for a friend who needed a small executable, not a general IT player thing that I'd keep working on. < 1402469622 711141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1402469673 956492 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402469678 304340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could still try to make such format and other people can question/complain about it, and put it in library which is playing such file < 1402469796 394750 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would improve it a lot. Not only make the player simpler, but also allow editors to add their own features much more easily, and make it much more easily to write a MML compiler targeting it. < 1402469830 53903 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Category:Declarative paradigm14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39796&oldid=23621 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+24) 10 < 1402470017 293030 :tertu!~tertu@184-97-163-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402471352 576550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hav idea a new kind of poker game, based on Texas Hold'em. One thing is that each player now plays two hands; each hand keeps their own score and bets separately though, except that one is "leader" and the one after that in the same team is called a "supporter", such that the supporter cannot reraise the leader. There are also other rules having to do with limits, lives, and other things. < 1402472500 536886 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How common would it be in a poker game if you really don't want your opponent to see your cards, for some reason? (I don't know why, but maybe it might be possible somehow?) In such a case, it might make sense to fold if check is an option, but only after the river card has been dealt. < 1402472845 702922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe someone wants to influence the decisions made by other players, when there are more than two players in the game. < 1402473176 10715 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey, it's apparently Transgender Awareness Week or something < 1402473446 539299 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402473529 395878 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a sid player based on "preparsed sid" a while ago, but it seems that the original 6502 code is a quite good compression format for SID register writes < 1402473674 182745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402473811 621451 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does do that. < 1402473824 35395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although for register write formats, there is VGM, is one thing for that. < 1402473891 10078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :6502 codes can certainly help to compress and do other things, then you only need to emulate the 6502 instruction set and whatever effects are used, can be added on by programmed in 6502 codes. NSF is also based on 6502 codes. < 1402473910 902971 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the conventional business e-mail response time? < 1402475011 571731 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402475603 504254 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402475603 704052 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402476551 551402 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1402476652 835622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Changing server < 1402477269 498584 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402477356 151725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402477400 986727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out trying to join another server without telling irssi it's _not_ freenode gets you disconnected from the usual ones, huh < 1402477467 814287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1402477493 159859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402477500 771842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah did it again < 1402477540 172365 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I run multiple irssis in a screen session < 1402477595 922488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1402477621 170088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402477641 19893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _really_ _really_ don't seem to get how to connect to more than one server D: < 1402477670 436097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1402477729 315095 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You suck at connecting to multiple servers . < 1402477741 535778 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1402477949 413598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402478018 139799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how are you doing it < 1402478028 485326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just /connect irc.some.server < 1402478035 279033 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1402478066 324012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh i used /server < 1402478085 278102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go then < 1402478088 610953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :use /connect < 1402478142 611255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. i actually found out how to use /server (needs to add a + before the connection) < 1402478155 556486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Quit: Changing server < 1402478169 398073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1402478179 146712 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/SERVER disconnects the server in active window and connects to the new one. It will take the same arguments as /CONNECT. If you prefix the address with the + character, Irssi won't disconnect the active server, and it will create a new window where the server is connected (ie. /window new hide; /connect address) < 1402478186 638018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I walked into that one. < 1402478221 698725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much for trying to help people. < 1402478235 432525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never works hth < 1402478261 732326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(do you see what happened there it was funny) < 1402478283 464759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1402478284 968055 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13numcoin 04ortcoin 07triicoin 08pongcoin 09boancoin 02sqrcoin 06postentcoin 13mechuygenecoin 04catcococoin 07devezcoin 08hinkleicoin 09eceicoin 02kvilcoin 06titlecoin 13half-modecoin 04camantolcoin 07bracoin 08interwangcoin 09brbcoin 02objectdiscoin < 1402478294 110977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interwangcoin < 1402478299 537914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ... ah < 1402478304 386609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whither fungot < 1402478320 610928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how's life on the disconnects network < 1402478323 508508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is it? i thought that was in november < 1402478327 204130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that only in USA < 1402478359 369600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: v. disconnected hth < 1402478374 118276 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, isn't that asexuality awareness week? < 1402478424 219350 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk ;_; < 1402478445 878053 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my student union is running a transgender awareness week this week it seems < 1402478493 807007 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there does seem to be one in November too < 1402478518 313514 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Asexual awareness week is at the end of October < 1402478573 249438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started wearing skirts to work this week < 1402478621 677202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when then is asexual transgender awareness week < 1402478640 525752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a matter of time and you know it < 1402478663 68147 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, November 2 - November 9 < 1402478706 751809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1402478707 778863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1402478708 48271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no that's plain transgender awareness week, pay attention! < 1402478715 981609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi keegan < 1402478717 422040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :heegan < 1402478731 160205 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that's November 10 - November 17 I thought < 1402478746 141469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah sorry < 1402478763 17520 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :awareness is a double-edged sword :< < 1402478805 954687 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: or a double-sided coin < 1402478830 816881 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1402478832 388460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13ihaxtcoin 04mechalcrcoin 07domcoin 08oousecoin 09axingcoin 02oxberatcoin 06curschefcoin 13wadstuffocoin 04poimefulcoin 07c-londitone90000coin 08glastrcoin 09eodorcoin 02whocoin 06madna#coin 13kelxcoin 04valk:brainlovecoin 07lazycoin 08hq9+coin 09librilllcoin 02temcoin < 1402478932 687223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway do you remember that cocytus guy who was here briefly looking for the other kind of esoterica, when i tried to join ircnet the first time it also joined the #esoteric channel there (because i forgot to tell irssi that it was ircnet) and there e was. unfortunately e seemed idle. < 1402479047 788154 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What even is the other kind of esoterica < 1402479059 508272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, MAGICK < 1402479080 828685 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right < 1402479116 287906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :while you are letting your guard down / i will be letting myself go / while you keep running your ship aground / i will be setting myself alight < 1402479121 873224 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, when you said that awareness is a double-edged sword, was there anything specific you were referring to? < 1402479163 549864 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels like that conversation was cut off < 1402479231 579141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2014/06/on-depression-privilege-and-online.html < 1402479236 757926 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :content warning: depression, privilege, online activism < 1402479287 698737 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a few moments of thoughtful deliberation, I lean forward and declare my decision into the microphone. "Monty, I'd like to switch to Door Number 3. In fact, it's always to my advantage to switch based on the facts you've presented." The crowd gasps! Someone from the audience shouts, "That's not correct, switching doesn't matter since each door has an equal probability of of hiding the car." Only one of us is right, but which one is it? < 1402479338 816103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1402479339 388146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1402479343 93365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen this before and see that it is better to switch than not, but, according to how it is mentioned there, exactly one of us is right, therefore it doesn't matter which one, if you switch anyways, it won't be at a disadvantage. < 1402479353 748605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes I know that but that isn't the point I am making < 1402479417 341230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is there anyone here who _hasn't_ already seen the monty hall problem discussed ad nauseam < 1402479459 776467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This specific point is one I have not seen, but other than that yes I certainly has already seen and probably so has anyone else here < 1402479475 308749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's talk about newcomb's problem instead < 1402479480 985931 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :omega as gameshow host < 1402479483 424193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss < 1402479549 828223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omega is a gameshow host? < 1402479569 140624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought omega is Greek alphabets. < 1402479632 771799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that annoys me about monty hall discussions is that everyone has an implicit setup in mind that is rarely fully stated and which greatly affects the probabilities _even_ if you understand them. < 1402479683 168652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it related to how they might not offer to switch in the first place depending on your choice? < 1402479689 400827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yep < 1402479704 316835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely < 1402479705 513305 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1402479713 256585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1402479730 448074 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1402479736 30337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't actually know which game you're playing, or at least one of the rules is just implicit < 1402479766 896754 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My understanding of the monty problem is, that you can eliminate one door < 1402479781 174746 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the moderator does the elimination, but that doesn't really matter < 1402479790 971388 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have quite thought of those things already < 1402479791 215566 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :he gives you three doors, and you can eleminate one bad door < 1402479800 892097 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is rougly the same as choosing two doors < 1402479814 444205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are multiple monty problems and they're indistinguishable without some extra information about how the game actually works < 1402479815 679314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, I assume that the rules are mentioned before the game is played. < 1402479900 104535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the problem is usually stated "in medias res", so you don't actually know what the rules are, just that you're giving the opportunity to switch _this_ time. < 1402479908 856534 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that doesn't really help understanding why it's better to switch < 1402479926 196748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps bonghits will fix my transport layer security < 1402479926 455894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it _could_ be, in theory, that you only get that offer if the car is behind the door you originally chose. < 1402479938 872623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*given < 1402479962 4966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought about the probabilities carefully and determine it is better to switch. I then programmed a simulation in the computer to check the same thing. < 1402480051 643216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another variant I have seen is you get additionally $100 if you decide not to switch. Such thing might depend how much the car is then worth, and possibly, whether behind the other doors are empty or have goats (both ways have been seen). < 1402480080 299206 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you choose a door with a goat, do you get to keep the goat? < 1402480089 330534 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you then calculate your earnings expectancy < 1402480113 285780 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I would assume so, but it isn't actually clear. < 1402480116 176159 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a 2/3 chance you win the car? < 1402480123 27119 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also thought of the game where the host reveals one of the other two doors at random even if one of them does have a car. I could not figure it out then. < 1402480133 586607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Yes < 1402480149 419979 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there can't be a 1/3 chance you win the car and the money though < 1402480205 199987 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you stay there's a 1/3 chance you win the car and the money? < 1402480221 362910 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you switch there's a 2/3 chance you just win the car < 1402480227 975269 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1402480239 889124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i assume you don't get to switch if a car is revealed? < 1402480260 86313 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that mean that your expectancy is (2/3)*car + (1/3)*(car+100$) < 1402480261 144461 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You could but it wouldn't help, since you have to switch to the other closed door < 1402480264 471118 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be more than a car < 1402480268 733936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1402480284 221414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't you switch to the car door < 1402480290 274 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that' doesn't work that way hm. < 1402480292 650434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Because it is open! < 1402480297 527213 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1402480299 799669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because it's been opened? that's ruled out in the original formulation because you know there's a goat behind it < 1402480344 888375 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I think you have to make the expectancy separately each choice? < 1402480377 590330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hm i think in the case where a door is revealed at random is equivalent to always revealing the second door. < 1402480393 951395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: If that is how it is ruled out, well, it works if it is consider as win/lose game, but if that isn't the consideration, then what if you already have a car but you don't have any goat yet? < 1402480400 314802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: second door? < 1402480403 987966 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Let's assume you role a dice to decide < 1402480404 195249 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402480422 262087 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's a 1/2 chance that you have a 2/3 chance to win the car < 1402480425 279841 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402480430 396197 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: O, in that case then yes you do add them up. But you shouldn't decide at random anyways < 1402480433 794682 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a 1/2 chance that you have 1/3 chance to win the car + the car < 1402480465 465400 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1/2)*(2/3)*10000 + (1/2)*(1/3)*(10000+100) < 1402480467 306515 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5016.666666666666 < 1402480496 252541 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1402480498 968365 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1/2)*(2/3)*10000 + (1/2)*(1/3)*(10000) < 1402480500 739813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5000.0 < 1402480504 705430 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1402480511 988580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you open the third door and behind it is an argument about the monty hall problem < 1402480514 40179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so the car is worth $10000. < 1402480515 988995 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can expect half a car from the monty problem < 1402480520 146139 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah < 1402480528 838356 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it is solved, of course. < 1402480532 254159 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which somehow means that your chance of winning is 50:50? < 1402480552 254639 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's probably an intuitive misjudgement of statistics of mine < 1402480565 278648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you have not seen the car before, then you just have to guess how much it is worth. < 1402480565 702607 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I can expect to win half the price < 1402480573 600971 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that imply that my chance of winning the price is 50:50? < 1402480585 106639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <shachaf> you open the third door and behind it is an argument about the monty hall problem < 1402480586 527668 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1206) <shachaf> you open the third door and behind it is an argument about the monty hall problem < 1402480605 520245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And, of course, if it isn't about winning, an additional consideration must additionally be made as I have mentioned above.) < 1402480641 745519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd assume most cars are worth more money than most goats, but maybe not everywhere. < 1402480647 45630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, you argue about it in the third door, now all three different things. < 1402480730 111442 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I also believe so, but my consideration about the goat was about if it isn't about winning. < 1402480779 308437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if the door is revealed at random, there is 1/3 prob. you don't get to switch, 1/3 prob. it's best to switch, and 1/3 prob. it's best to stay. so on the condition you _can_ switch, it's 50-50 and it makes no difference whether you do or not. < 1402480821 892238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's that day again. < 1402480849 323383 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the car is a rusty, used volvo from 1995 < 1402480880 773984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That was my conclusion too actually < 1402480891 338111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(testing of air raid sirenes) < 1402480918 630205 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Norway at that much risk of air raids? < 1402480924 894068 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that was monday last week (I think) < 1402480926 617077 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fun fact is, that if you decide by a coin toss whether to switch or not < 1402480946 71153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: not recently, knock on wood. they test them twice a year nevertheless. < 1402480947 351442 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'r chance of winning is 1/2 * 2/3 + 1/2 * 1/3 = 1/2 < 1402480951 275741 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*your < 1402480957 196881 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the coin will fall under the closed door and you will lose one cent. < 1402480963 903319 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is still better than staying < 1402480975 377721 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1402480980 17773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :second wednesday of january and june < 1402480996 479980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :12pm sharp < 1402481002 269303 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so those people who say that your chance of winning is 1/2 are actually right < 1402481006 961273 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1402481010 281689 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you decide randomly! < 1402481149 259837 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the formal logic to have such thing as, if it is either better to switch or it doesn't matter, then it implies that you ought to switch? < 1402481170 280800 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402481170 720935 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good, thanks. coordinating attack on norway... < 1402481220 880550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i've thought about that idea. < 1402481247 625304 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402481382 195040 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :To return the favour, the best time to attack Sweden would be at 15:00 the first may of every third month, though I don't remember which months < 1402481415 388399 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402481442 865823 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I recall there being a test last monday I guess it's the last month of each quarter < 1402481473 844483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first may of every third month sounds a little hard to calculate, to be honest < 1402481529 410290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they test them every tuesday here at noon < 1402481539 57949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1402481546 60887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_every_ tuesday? < 1402481553 53091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://localwiki.net/sf/Tuesday_Noon_Siren < 1402481592 203929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The San Francisco Office of Emergency Services & Homeland Security urges those who live or work in San Francisco to consider the siren as a weekly reminder to compile an emergency-preparedness kit capable of sustaining themselves and their dependents for 72 hours." < 1402481607 448006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :""We had two bags of grass, 75 pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a saltshaker half-full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... Also, a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether, and two dozen amyls. Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious drug collection, the tendency is to push it as far as < 1402481698 924759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure that emergency kit is government approved, kmc < 1402481761 223697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it makes _slightly_ more sense if it's also used for earthquakes, but still i feel a slight urge to make a paranoia index out of this. < 1402481805 652670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :number of siren tests per year < 1402481833 318532 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402481907 828373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter how drunk I get I haven't let my laptop run out of battery < 1402481927 288989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got up in the middle of a threesome once to plug it in < 1402482050 372884 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: er, monday* < 1402482080 9805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1402482112 771701 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1402482204 638627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: yo did you ever read that thing you were going to read < 1402482275 481162 :Patashu!Spire_Pend@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402482683 416133 :Patashu_!Kozuma@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402482683 777148 :Patashu!Spire_Pend@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402482751 203311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Bike <Bike> francis i, i think <-- i think the i is not official until they get another francis < 1402482751 568113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1402482781 380506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i francis i,i think < 1402482971 444554 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It may also depend on whether you're an observer on the outside or not < 1402482986 833540 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could argue that an outsider doesn't know whether the participant switches or not < 1402483005 428947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum hall effect < 1402483016 301698 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402483018 293213 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you model it as a 50:50 switch, so are the chance of winning for the participant 50:50 too < 1402483032 515328 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for an observer) < 1402483178 307017 :Patashu_!Kozuma@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402483548 124279 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1402483741 970556 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1402483747 379953 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :three prisoner problem < 1402483752 764548 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that somehow related to the monty one? < 1402483766 686734 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A knows, that B is to be executed < 1402483777 622998 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's like monty telling you which door is a goat) < 1402483793 903586 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if A were to switch his identity with C < 1402483801 376481 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's like switching the door) < 1402483808 812701 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that mean that his chances are now 2/3? < 1402483855 931656 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1402483863 457402 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Prisoners_problem < 1402483942 700536 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you can imagine, that they have a bag over their had and just a name tag, they can't speak or anything < 1402483954 388420 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means, that it would actually be plausible to switch "identities" < 1402483972 965136 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*head < 1402484063 312948 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, that's nicely detailed. (flipping a coin is quite crucial) < 1402484092 763434 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course A is silly to assume that his chances improved. :) < 1402484134 886668 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: at least because the governor already decided < 1402484151 832670 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no information he receives afterwards could have possibly influenced the governors decision < 1402484166 392120 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not < 1402484192 188303 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would make sense that you can't change a decision by disclosing information about it afterwards < 1402484194 377478 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, C's chances do improve. < 1402484212 873 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth? < 1402484216 523431 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402484216 723955 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402484218 742477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think you can much warn of an earthquake, anyway < 1402484252 376484 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: There's information in the fact that A tells the news to C rather than B. < 1402484268 285325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like i'm reading a random acausal decision theory problem generator < 1402484341 761614 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: In 2/3 of the cases that A tells the news to C, C is actually pardoned; likewise, in 2/3 of the cases that A tells the news to B, B is pardoned. This does not change the overall odds at all. < 1402484456 628649 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. at least this means that A can increase his chance to 2/3 by switching identities with C < 1402484551 550730 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that wrongg too? < 1402484552 185198 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's right < 1402484555 365741 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he should have killed C and taken his place if he knew anything about statistics < 1402484558 587970 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although these statistics are really weird < 1402484558 588135 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so macabre I am glad I am crap at stats < 1402484565 863070 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see why your chance of winning can possibly increase after the decision was already made < 1402484568 20526 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that killing somebody is a good way of getting pardoned. < 1402484589 157703 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: they increase to 100% for the survivor after the executions have taken place < 1402484608 185173 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the point he chose which to pardon everyone had a 1/3 chance of winning < 1402484621 145903 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason why that chance should alter o_O < 1402484649 208244 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just conditional probabilities. < 1402484677 615930 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The guard divulges information about the choice after all. < 1402484758 559517 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. But that information has no effect on the "choosing procedure" < 1402484760 821777 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could it, the procuder had already been done < 1402484760 821963 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*procedure < 1402484762 824125 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: You're viewing it wrong, really. < 1402484763 127376 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know :D < 1402484801 830984 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :After the choice has been made, one of the prisoners has a 100% chance of being pardoned, and the other two will be executed. < 1402484809 881329 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you calculate the chance based on information you know about the result < 1402484812 152731 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you already know parts of the result < 1402484812 361387 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The probabilities that we're discussing are uncertainties arising from incomplete information. < 1402484834 465945 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1402485206 570177 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1402485464 782754 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402485467 466441 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1402485468 909561 JOIN :#esoteric > 1402485469 424852 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402485523 287737 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the instruction manual coveres it, but if C is pardonned and the warden names B, he may find it difficult to prove that he named B because of the coin flip rather than because of the truth he knew < 1402485534 328393 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if he doesn't want conflict with the governor, it's easier to just not ansewr < 1402485618 494757 :shikhin!~shikhin@59.177.197.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402485667 102225 :shikhin!~shikhin@59.177.197.74 NICK :Guest84201 < 1402485914 317392 :Guest84201!~shikhin@59.177.197.74 NICK :shikhout < 1402485917 59076 :shikhout!~shikhin@59.177.197.74 QUIT :Changing host < 1402485917 246439 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402486091 589448 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402486161 555886 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402486411 482356 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402486412 438211 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in reality nobody would be pardoned . < 1402486471 335792 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402486501 577593 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402486506 329117 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Quit: Tritonio < 1402486627 531516 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402486691 707797 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402486741 231306 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402486751 146005 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1402486915 861316 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh it's the dot < 1402486955 364668 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402487618 603177 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402487721 736101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cler < 1402487724 921048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cle;r < 1402487726 864323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cle;r < 1402487728 272960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cle;r < 1402487737 528760 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cler < 1402487776 163128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jclear < 1402487778 830109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :glCCCC < 1402487780 162292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cl < 1402487782 892684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clear < 1402487793 201274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hello < 1402487803 103384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about all of that < 1402487808 953839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cois < 1402487809 480010 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: cois: not found < 1402487812 679876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1402487814 159922 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08katurketercoin 09rincoin 02villgolationcoin 06backcoin 13orkovacoin 04ijlcoin 07thamptlypaniquishyncoin 08lambergiuncoin 09fobcoin 02sandcoin 06coborocoin 13m-codcoin 04fagecoin 07scacoin 08gieramblcoin 09chiecoin 02oveacoin 06lombricoin 13charghumcoin 04tedcoin < 1402487820 713086 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doges < 1402487821 197392 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: doges: not found < 1402487871 257707 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no doge for you < 1402487951 546195 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:4:: QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402488003 661040 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1402488022 46947 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1402488022 287105 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1402488026 153617 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1402488032 853605 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls < 1402488035 641651 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076 \ a \ app.sh \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ UNPA \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1402488035 874460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076 \ a \ app.sh \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ UNPA \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1402488061 670216 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are complaints < 1402488067 442070 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls complaints < 1402488068 55427 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :complaints < 1402488149 436308 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`:-D < 1402488149 908659 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: :-D: not found < 1402488179 463154 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`catr complaints < 1402488179 978898 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: catr: not found < 1402488183 921354 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat complaints < 1402488184 162993 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1402488187 904889 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complaints < 1402488188 424745 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 complaints < 1402488193 703459 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- it's an executable < 1402488196 659177 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :aparanteley < 1402488196 991383 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1402488205 866148 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complain boo? < 1402488206 368488 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complaint filed. Thank you. < 1402488210 886815 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complaints < 1402488211 371928 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 complaints < 1402488217 244902 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIAR! < 1402488308 496778 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/complain < 1402488309 30794 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print_args_or_input "$@" >> complaints; echo Complaint filed. Thank you. < 1402488319 451440 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls -la complaints < 1402488320 17955 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. < 1402488322 932403 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :``ls -la complaints < 1402488323 583532 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `ls: not found < 1402488325 755309 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la complaints < 1402488328 714484 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 5000 9 Apr 23 02:27 complaints -> /dev/null < 1402488340 634050 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1402488341 196259 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1402488341 440186 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the proper BOFH way of handling complaints. < 1402488434 487372 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file :-D < 1402488435 13479 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-D: UTF-8 Unicode text < 1402488456 626947 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run file * | grep -v directory < 1402488457 400817 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076: ASCII text, with CRLF line terminators \ a: empty \ app.sh: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable \ bdsmreclist: ASCII text \ canary: ASCII text \ cat: ASCII text \ complaints: symbolic link to `/dev/null' \ :-D: UTF-8 Unicode text \ dog: UTF-8 Unicode text \ fb: ELF 64-bit LSB < 1402488462 995026 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :eugh < 1402488479 542322 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :``:-D < 1402488480 48443 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `:-D: not found < 1402488486 286345 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ":-D" < 1402488486 841526 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: :-D: command not found < 1402488489 142629 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run "./:-D" < 1402488489 667190 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: ./:-D: Permission denied < 1402488498 489662 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod + x ./:-D < 1402488499 65776 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod: cannot access `x': No such file or directory < 1402488502 669905 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x ./:-D < 1402488504 10922 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1402488506 963474 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run "./:-D" < 1402488507 491957 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​./:-D: line 1: $'\342\230\272': command not found < 1402488537 840734 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :PS. I think it's a unicode smiley < 1402488539 374965 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat :-D < 1402488539 871438 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​☺ < 1402488547 293468 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah :) < 1402488590 679640 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's chances of being executed rather than pardoned just increased a lot < 1402488594 619779 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Its < 1402488609 981132 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l fb < 1402488610 565592 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 5000 6356 Apr 23 02:27 fb < 1402488626 815410 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run file -i * | grep -v directory | sed -r 's/\s+/ /g' < 1402488627 534187 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076: text/plain; charset=us-ascii \ a: inode/x-empty; charset=binary \ app.sh: text/x-shellscript; charset=us-ascii \ bdsmreclist: text/plain; charset=us-ascii \ canary: text/plain; charset=us-ascii \ cat: text/plain; charset=us-ascii \ complaints: inode/symlink; charset=binary \ :-D: text/plain; charset=utf-8 \ dog: text/plain; charset=utf-8 \ f < 1402488649 504597 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat dog # cheap pun! < 1402488650 278913 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ < 1402488682 431141 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh that's too much for my fonts. < 1402488730 753827 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm canary < 1402488731 685363 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1402488734 160782 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls canary < 1402488736 408785 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402488736 640683 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402488742 215206 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :canary < 1402488766 771523 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to try to work around that, but I probably shouldn't < 1402488769 220160 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat canary < 1402488769 700225 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chirp < 1402488806 769921 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -lad . < 1402488807 377885 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drwxr-xr-x 14 5000 5000 4096 Jun 11 12:12 . < 1402488837 101002 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how badly would hackego break after chmod -x . ? < 1402488929 333717 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402488961 508145 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402488976 720962 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :'' ls -la ./ < 1402488980 103190 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la < 1402488981 80512 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :total 1980 \ drwxr-xr-x 14 5000 5000 4096 Jun 11 12:12 . \ drwxr-xr-x 15 0 0 0 Jun 11 12:16 .. \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 373 Apr 23 02:27 98076 \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 0 Apr 23 02:27 a \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 5000 68 Apr 23 02:27 app.sh \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 31 Apr 23 02:27 bdsmreclist \ drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 5000 < 1402488983 840565 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la ./ < 1402488984 432373 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :total 1980 \ drwxr-xr-x 14 5000 5000 4096 Jun 11 12:12 . \ drwxr-xr-x 15 0 0 0 Jun 11 12:16 .. \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 373 Apr 23 02:27 98076 \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 0 Apr 23 02:27 a \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 5000 68 Apr 23 02:27 app.sh \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 31 Apr 23 02:27 bdsmreclist \ drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 5000 < 1402489003 271461 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls < 1402489003 825934 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076 \ a \ app.sh \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ UNPA \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1402489006 568776 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la bin/\` < 1402489007 243819 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 5000 18 Apr 23 02:27 bin/` < 1402489013 39876 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/\` < 1402489013 584572 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/\`: No such file or directory < 1402489016 410635 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/` < 1402489016 885201 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec bash -c "$1" < 1402489023 564525 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(`` is not magic) < 1402489030 736638 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $(ls) < 1402489031 666351 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076 a app.sh bdsmreclist bin canary cat complaints :-D dog etc factor fb fb.c head hello hello.c ibin index.html interps lib paste pref prefs quines quotes share src test Test Test.hi Test.hs UNPA Wierd wisdom wisdom.pdf < 1402489045 111786 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo * < 1402489045 619154 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076 a app.sh bdsmreclist bin canary cat complaints :-D dog etc factor fb fb.c head hello hello.c ibin index.html interps lib paste pref prefs quines quotes share src test Test Test.hi Test.hs UNPA Wierd wisdom wisdom.pdf < 1402489045 876413 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does ls give something else then ls ./? < 1402489050 611901 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*than < 1402489060 471002 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la < 1402489061 100223 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :total 1980 \ drwxr-xr-x 14 5000 5000 4096 Jun 11 12:12 . \ drwxr-xr-x 15 0 0 0 Jun 11 12:17 .. \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 373 Apr 23 02:27 98076 \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 0 Apr 23 02:27 a \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 5000 68 Apr 23 02:27 app.sh \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 31 Apr 23 02:27 bdsmreclist \ drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 5000 < 1402489066 272300 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat 98076 < 1402489066 779834 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-- Hi everyone! < 1402489071 950145 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? < 1402489075 723186 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -laR < 1402489076 613973 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.: \ total 1980 \ drwxr-xr-x 14 5000 5000 4096 Jun 11 12:12 . \ drwxr-xr-x 15 0 0 0 Jun 11 12:17 .. \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 373 Apr 23 02:27 98076 \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 0 Apr 23 02:27 a \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 5000 68 Apr 23 02:27 app.sh \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 31 Apr 23 02:27 bdsmreclist \ drwxr-xr-x 2 5 < 1402489086 752570 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ls list recursively? < 1402489088 311725 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls < 1402489088 875437 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076 \ a \ app.sh \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ UNPA \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1402489090 701114 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat *bds* < 1402489091 202783 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​<oerjan> YOU are out of order. < 1402489092 188472 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $(ls ./) < 1402489092 915785 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076 a app.sh bdsmreclist bin canary cat complaints :-D dog etc factor fb fb.c head hello hello.c ibin index.html interps lib paste pref prefs quines quotes share src test Test Test.hi Test.hs UNPA Wierd wisdom wisdom.pdf < 1402489096 616160 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $(ls) < 1402489097 194644 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076 a app.sh bdsmreclist bin canary cat complaints :-D dog etc factor fb fb.c head hello hello.c ibin index.html interps lib paste pref prefs quines quotes share src test Test Test.hi Test.hs UNPA Wierd wisdom wisdom.pdf < 1402489102 653291 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu < 1402489103 570580 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks the same to me < 1402489109 723344 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $(ls -la) < 1402489110 362380 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :total 1980 drwxr-xr-x 14 5000 5000 4096 Jun 11 12:12 . drwxr-xr-x 15 0 0 0 Jun 11 12:18 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 373 Apr 23 02:27 98076 -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 0 Apr 23 02:27 a -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 5000 68 Apr 23 02:27 app.sh -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 31 Apr 23 02:27 bdsmreclist drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 5000 4096 Jun 6 08:32 bin -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 6 Jun 11 < 1402489111 317160 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you hade a -la previously < 1402489123 181805 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1402489133 868396 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` diff <(ls -la) <(ls -la ./) < 1402489134 642777 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1402489135 401418 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $(ls -a) < 1402489136 13107 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​. .. 98076 a app.sh bdsmreclist bin canary cat complaints :-D dog etc factor fb fb.c head hello hello.c .hg .hg_archival.txt ibin index.html interps lib paste pref prefs quines quotes share src test Test Test.hi Test.hs UNPA Wierd wisdom wisdom.pdf < 1402489151 246666 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't la list hello.c? < 1402489171 176335 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la | grep hello < 1402489171 869402 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 5000 6479 Apr 23 02:27 hello \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 113 Apr 23 02:27 hello.c < 1402489181 149156 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. it's cut off < 1402489204 704378 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only responds with one IRC line, so the amount of output is fairly limited < 1402489367 318891 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` whereis ghci < 1402489369 464336 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghci: < 1402489371 443063 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` whereis ghc < 1402489373 326143 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc: < 1402489377 36476 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` whereis gcc < 1402489379 294976 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc: /usr/bin/gcc /usr/lib/gcc /usr/bin/X11/gcc < 1402489440 541980 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste < 1402489452 460986 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` paste < hello.c < 1402489462 853791 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, no, maybe? < 1402489501 756724 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.30812 < 1402489503 180936 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.24635 < 1402489540 453330 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste hello.c < 1402489541 85958 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/hello.c < 1402489542 43568 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :works too < 1402489787 18420 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, what kind of protocol is that? < 1402489902 581240 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402490195 696527 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo ☹ > "./:-(" < 1402490197 108154 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1402490204 106409 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat "./:-(" < 1402490204 636837 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​☹ < 1402490206 897612 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1402490309 478518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ☹ < 1402490310 281033 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2639 WHITE FROWNING FACE] < 1402490322 797728 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :protocol? < 1402490415 510719 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402490531 995104 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402490849 796849 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-waafkiljjfxrfiwu QUIT :Excess Flood < 1402491247 191087 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402491282 249621 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? protocol < 1402491282 862327 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :protocol? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1402491313 289878 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-kabfjjybaleettsh JOIN :#esoteric < 1402491335 315983 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn protocol Not to be confused with protocoal. < 1402491336 760909 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1402491340 300307 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? protocol < 1402491341 15943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :protocol Not to be confused with protocoal. < 1402491352 830810 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1402491414 402938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/protocol //' wisdom/protocol < 1402491414 926742 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: can't read wisdom/protocol: No such file or directory < 1402491424 595578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1402491463 76224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a forget command? < 1402491467 490783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/forget < 1402491468 698593 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ rm "wisdom/$(echo "$1" | tr A-Z a-z)" \ echo "Forget what?" < 1402491475 888976 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah < 1402491478 507813 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? protocol < 1402491479 135293 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :protocol is not to be confused with protocoal < 1402491482 264020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget protoco: < 1402491482 836572 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `wisdom/protoco:': No such file or directory \ Forget what? < 1402491487 143742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget protocol: < 1402491487 642776 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `wisdom/protocol:': No such file or directory \ Forget what? < 1402491490 425140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1402491497 523958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/prot* < 1402491498 151462 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/protocol < 1402491509 650338 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already corrected it < 1402491554 249775 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1402491555 348759 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. < 1402491564 581677 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ntediluvian < 1402491565 131818 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ntediluvian? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1402491568 369045 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? antediluvian < 1402491568 996280 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :antediluvian? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1402491622 263229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'We could tell you what antediluvian means, but that would just open a flood of questions.' >wisdom/antediluvian < 1402491623 573999 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1402491674 584702 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1402491737 530573 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402491737 755556 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402491874 413442 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/06/09/1852218/kids-with-operators-manual-alert-bank-officials-we-hacked-your-atm?sbsrc=md < 1402491892 216469 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I detect security by "you don't have our manual" < 1402491924 168833 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402491967 503840 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402493765 39024 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402493875 69384 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit < 1402494378 357576 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402494525 863694 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402494674 945416 :password2!~password@197.78.168.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402494713 420243 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402495301 828399 :password2!~password@197.78.168.73 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402495445 277091 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402495617 650453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402497957 952399 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402498258 254457 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402499512 298793 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402500028 652603 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1402500043 817247 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:f16a:3753:65d7:2893 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402500272 691977 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:f16a:3753:65d7:2893 QUIT :Client Quit < 1402500333 687737 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402500344 90413 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402500464 603996 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 QUIT :Client Quit < 1402500812 804718 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402501471 885980 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1402501737 848414 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Have you yet found out if you can do a*b-c with BANCSTar Arithmetic command? < 1402501749 382022 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the LIST source it looks like you can encode an operator in each operand < 1402501763 442570 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but LIST seems to only look at the operator encoded in the fourth operand < 1402501912 204622 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402502343 80079 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are FORMS and SCREENS btw. < 1402503067 927256 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1402503096 427538 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402503363 292341 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402503449 273061 :barrucadu!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402503654 464500 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-azlarwchitmleixn JOIN :#esoteric < 1402503750 964116 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ngevd < 1402503751 560629 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.gwG!oڕdB48Jr'_BXىjGtOzEAWq˵q͵{l5fu$^1 =!hYl+ñ < 1402503853 11960 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rsum < 1402503853 482615 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: rsum: not found < 1402503978 772141 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1402503978 998497 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1402503989 639780 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, help < 1402503996 619374 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1402504360 148245 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Have to play a game < 1402505009 470433 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402505044 943077 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402505127 774618 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402505360 787215 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : o.o < 1402505373 604356 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : o.o.o < 1402505376 391018 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : o.o < 1402505421 891404 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402505425 921875 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? limerick < 1402505426 487957 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :limerick? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1402505547 558185 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote prose < 1402505548 46102 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1140) <shachaf> A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric." < 1402507124 107759 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402507267 985936 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402507408 818247 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402507962 235407 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone here suspects that Lisp's list comprehensions are turing complete < 1402507965 684438 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any thoughts? < 1402508112 545735 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402508282 38814 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402508455 484198 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402508999 400322 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"list comprehension"? < 1402509021 644494 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [x*y | x <- [1..3], y <- [1..5]] < 1402509023 460312 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,2,4,6,8,10,3,6,9,12,15] < 1402509033 806792 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what it looks like in Lisp. < 1402509081 519037 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402509283 754586 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402509286 636487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halp. < 1402509308 972069 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1402509313 729986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There "u" go. < 1402509362 853608 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is with us again, the world is saved < 1402509363 53083 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i meant gregorr-w: ps ( thread-id 5)) < 1402509366 688512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is similar to do-notation though < 1402509427 644511 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: loop and collect < 1402509452 820123 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: haskell started out with "monad comprehensions", but then there was a push for type errors that make sense to students who are just learning the language, and the syntax was restricted to lists. < 1402509477 166263 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but esentially you can use regular lisp funccions in list comprehensions < 1402509478 51536 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1402509481 493742 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lately there's been a backwards trend, and ghc has monad comprehensions as an extension. < 1402509495 238934 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type [() | () <- undefined] < 1402509496 545703 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[()] < 1402509515 583417 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :loor for x from 1 to 10 (collect (* n n))) < 1402509516 96473 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the extension, [() | () <- undefined] :: Monad m => m () ) < 1402509517 628078 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*loop < 1402509537 911298 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(loop for x from 1 to 10 (collect (* n n))) for example < 1402509539 872609 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :x/n, please choose one. < 1402509545 775928 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1402509546 675015 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1402509548 441081 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1402509594 547647 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (do { x <- [1..10]; return (x*x) }, [x*x | x <- [1..10]]) < 1402509596 376473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ([1,4,9,16,25,36,49,64,81,100],[1,4,9,16,25,36,49,64,81,100]) < 1402509655 960391 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Break 1 [2]> (loop for x from 1 to 10 collect (* x x)) < 1402509656 787643 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100) < 1402510704 508358 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Not MonadPlus? < 1402510770 624857 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: nope, since there is no guard in there. < 1402510792 576476 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike [() | False] :: Control.Monad.MonadPlus m => m () < 1402510862 195924 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1402510938 552509 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( [ x * y | x <- Right 2, y <- Left "no" ] < 1402510938 778412 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of function 09Prelude.Monad.return: < 1402510938 778563 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't disambiguate name: 09Prelude.Classes.*, 09Prelude.Fin.* < 1402510975 12020 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( [ the Integer $ x * y | x <- Right 2, y <- Left "no" ] < 1402510975 284863 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):0:0:Incomplete term 04Right (09fromInteger 042) 09>>= \13x8 => 04Left 04"no" 09>>= \13y11 => 09return (09the 12Integer (13x8 09* 13y11)) < 1402511069 199084 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1402511173 893283 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (Either _ Integer) [ the Integer $ x * y | x <- Right 2, y <- Left "no" ] < 1402511174 118892 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04Left 04"no" : 12Either 12String 12Integer < 1402511201 972181 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently that works without Alternative too. < 1402511344 203852 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lii14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39797&oldid=39795 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-10) 10/* Built-in classes */ corrected super classes < 1402511426 549737 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402511573 360606 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lii14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39798&oldid=39797 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-5) 10/* Classes and methods */ < 1402512373 800723 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks barrucadu < 1402512374 346807 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, barrucadu. Tharrucadu. < 1402512441 163445 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot0 wow < 1402512441 765890 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1402512501 424443 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot26 really! < 1402512501 915691 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: rot26: not found < 1402512534 534852 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd bin; echo rot* < 1402512535 99043 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rot0 rot13 rot256 < 1402512560 461281 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -s rot0 bin/rot26 < 1402512561 896532 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1402512583 793075 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat bin/rot13 < 1402512584 516703 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print_args_or_input "$@" | tr a-zA-Z n-za-mN-ZA-M < 1402513043 538013 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1402514102 276302 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1402514123 418312 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:David.werecat14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39799&oldid=36193 5* 03198.7.62.204 5* (-438) 10 < 1402514416 597778 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402514502 899339 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I seem to be in two different university's computer science society's IRC channel < 1402514636 915345 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick start a debate about how pure haskell is and leave in the confusion < 1402514754 267589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Haskell has many impure features such as lazy I/O, ability to catch errors from pure code without using a macro, and everything marked "unsafe". < 1402514801 598654 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id 1 < 1402514807 270488 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1402514872 623229 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which print_args_or_input < 1402514873 217235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/print_args_or_input < 1402514878 731241 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/print_args_or_input < 1402514879 235270 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ if [ "$#" -gt 0 ]; then printf '%s\n' "$*"; else cat; fi < 1402514895 480959 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense < 1402514930 892975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now do you know how you can debate and argue about how pure Haskell is and confusion? < 1402514952 868529 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot256 wow so secure < 1402514953 402264 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow so secure < 1402514977 501783 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :waait, that shouldn't be id < 1402514989 362674 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l bin/rot256 < 1402514990 5609 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 5000 9 Apr 23 02:27 bin/rot256 -> /bin/echo < 1402515042 206438 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`id < 1402515042 954636 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uid=5000 gid=5000 < 1402515069 624622 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`id -Z < 1402515070 143398 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :id: --context (-Z) works only on an SELinux-enabled kernel < 1402515176 302371 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402515181 872379 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402515328 905347 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1402515647 316516 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://1.usa.gov/QQYwSb < 1402515715 836121 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1402515782 152601 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Google Custom Search requires JavaScript" ... well, no thanks. < 1402515788 717734 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cute search terms though) < 1402515960 626290 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1.USA.gov URLs are created whenever anyone shortens a .gov or .mil URL using bitly." < 1402515974 496748 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lesson learned. < 1402516296 83955 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402516537 451985 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402516601 392289 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402516904 875137 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402517023 829101 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402517067 122998 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1402517110 792538 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402517319 827074 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402517765 520351 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did impress Edinburgh with my lensiness < 1402517898 897021 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402518069 812401 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402518962 440995 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402519193 447747 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402519193 674793 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402519193 918493 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402519196 370536 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402519201 526360 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1402519209 875963 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1402519219 856594 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402519229 513998 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402520602 798971 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402521101 131037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to make German quotations with ISO-646? < 1402521434 874563 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You can’t? < 1402521437 689176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :,,old school'' < 1402521499 864881 :not^v!~notnot^v@173-15-245-174-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402521698 429702 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402521830 246031 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I need to make German quotations with ISO-646 < 1402521874 895882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might be in some national variant but mostly ,,i think you do it like this'' < 1402521917 642659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? I thought German quotations are different from that. < 1402521955 863992 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402521968 253870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know german < 1402521993 265907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither do I, but I thought German quotations are not like that. < 1402522134 518216 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what Polish quotations are like < 1402522139 193894 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about German ones < 1402522152 518137 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except you'd use the actual unicode characters < 1402522155 29323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1402522164 816904 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't need to make Polish quotations with ISO-646 anyways. < 1402522186 649994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only German and English (which is ASCII). < 1402522341 376605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII is pretty incomplete for English typography, too < 1402522350 999697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has a decent enough approximation of quotation marks < 1402522360 102618 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know but I don't need any more than what it has < 1402522564 900020 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402523018 458727 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402523800 277858 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :German: „foo“ ; English: “foo” < 1402523997 556935 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402524608 514738 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402524733 588867 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402524813 484868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? < 1402524925 742213 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anf%C3%BChrungszeichen < 1402525236 505256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there is more than one kind? < 1402525251 616643 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dis86 ea 00 00 ff ff 00 00 00 < 1402525252 338436 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :invalid; add [rax], al; invalid; add [rax], al; invalid; < 1402525257 636857 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1402525506 99114 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the content of a "BOOT.COM" that apparently triggers a reboot, at least in dosbox < 1402525507 921958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_variation_in_quotation_marks and says German is using both the low/high mark like that and angle quotations marks too sometimes < 1402525548 102681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I think in dosbox, it may have some of its own instructions for executing the built-in commands on drive Z. < 1402525564 119531 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the program definitely isn't dosbox-specific < 1402525587 531332 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found it on an old floppy < 1402525661 831141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1402525680 243202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps they worked on those computer. < 1402525720 650767 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should make floppy-themed USB sticks. < 1402525847 340207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are floppy-disk USB. < 1402525851 756992 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402525862 697321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one, because the internal floppy disk drive broke. < 1402526102 26500 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402526364 406339 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1402526534 571675 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402526784 552825 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402528336 763039 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402528413 863753 :not^v!~notnot^v@173-15-245-174-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1402528432 671880 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-auajxiuzinlhelmu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402528826 640798 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402528913 652898 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1402529170 634971 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402529290 845965 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:c1c3:e08e:2873:d15 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402529920 36937 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402530451 831252 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:c1c3:e08e:2873:d15 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402530545 726902 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402530652 515045 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1402530764 784617 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-25.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402531268 648069 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-25.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402531405 667037 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TOD14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39800&oldid=39720 5* 03Null 5* (-2) 10 < 1402531744 794194 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-85-249.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402532047 305048 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1402532435 934332 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-85-249.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: switchin < 1402533048 743767 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-214-85-249.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402533456 824790 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:b458:21cd:2b15:7c20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402533715 886996 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:b458:21cd:2b15:7c20 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402533749 773006 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-214-85-249.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402533765 782362 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:c8a3:18b7:b7f2:4dc7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402533767 724948 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402533847 889794 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-222-51-231.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402534362 291862 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1402534363 44804 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1402534365 538454 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd < 1402534484 482687 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402534485 459127 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ping < 1402534485 647530 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pong! < 1402534489 355773 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even. < 1402534618 77844 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http and https don't seem to be working < 1402534643 234348 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the protocol itself, or you can't resolve? < 1402534669 720589 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, just chrome can't connect < 1402534833 555090 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill chrome, gently power-toggle your router, stare at your modem, and launch firefox. < 1402534859 496822 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402534876 587889 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1402535076 130366 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, finns are weird → http://i.imgur.com/7gSGv1S.jpg < 1402535111 396377 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo < 1402535163 439149 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YKSI! < 1402535186 571404 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now, where is our resident finn when we need him?) < 1402535303 223644 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie YKSI! YKSI! YKSI! < 1402535303 702061 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1402535646 685403 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I slightly have no control of my router < 1402535655 811234 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know where it is < 1402535705 37722 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you don't have a small EMP device with you? < 1402535739 723775 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1402536157 420023 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Mystery of the Possession of Magnetical Pulsing Machines shall be Resolved in the Next Episode. it is time to understand my mattress. < 1402536166 540050 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: DIVERGENT CHICKEN < 1402536370 203267 :Danielaaac!~canaima@190.199.200.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402536431 926883 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402536602 460488 :Danielaaac!~canaima@190.199.200.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooola < 1402536620 207468 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402536620 394647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Danielaaac: are you a bot < 1402536642 412787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you can't seriously be one person so interested in this channel over many many months?? < 1402536688 4806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey... < 1402536696 827332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe all these "canaima"s are users of http://canaima.softwarelibre.gob.ve/ < 1402536706 111120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not one person < 1402536760 183469 :Danielaaac!~canaima@190.199.200.132 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402536781 938391 :Danielaaac!~canaima@190.199.200.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402536888 430098 :Danielaaac!~canaima@190.199.200.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :espaol? < 1402536932 160829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome.es < 1402536932 854624 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.) < 1402536992 162753 :Danielaaac!~canaima@190.199.200.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :muchaaaas gracias jijijijijij < 1402536998 151577 :Danielaaac!~canaima@190.199.200.132 PART :#esoteric < 1402537031 513429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Danielaaac: ^ < 1402537895 469317 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-222-51-231.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jijijijijij < 1402538476 732654 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402538509 177959 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1402538523 571933 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402538635 899060 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-222-51-231.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1402538755 951507 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@75-175-97-59.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402539505 35668 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:c8a3:18b7:b7f2:4dc7 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1402539520 151039 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402539608 867682 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@75-175-97-59.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402539759 529807 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@75-175-104-136.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402541139 768506 :tertu!~tertu@184-97-163-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402544443 145058 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402544666 88078 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-auajxiuzinlhelmu QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1402544837 209686 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if ecliptic coordinates are fixed yet in Wolfram|Alpha? < 1402547829 767474 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@75-175-104-136.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fang.ece.ufl.edu/reject.html this can't be real, can it < 1402547869 373220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's satire < 1402547884 475216 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@75-175-104-136.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok good < 1402547908 140652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pretty sure) < 1402547916 826935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's satire < 1402547940 543056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://th.informatik.uni-mannheim.de/People/Lucks/reject.pdf < 1402547947 39819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : The author mentions computing machines, such as the recent ENIAC. Well, I guess one could connect such machines, but a recent IBM memo stated that a dozen or so such machines will be sufficient for all the computing that we'll ever need in the foreseeable future, so there won't be a whole lot of connecting going on with only a dozen ENIACs! < 1402547952 25310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty obvious < 1402547973 75796 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@75-175-104-136.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was mostly thinking nobody would be dumb enough to think you need gotos for an if with multiple statements < 1402547979 973786 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@75-175-104-136.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it just got more obvious as i went down < 1402548004 215726 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@75-175-104-136.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i've never receieved a letter about a paper, and actual papers can be really fucking bizarre, so who's to know < 1402548369 738415 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the C.A.R. Hoare thing relates to < 1402548493 660769 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@75-175-104-136.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoare calculus i assume < 1402548538 540738 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@75-175-104-136.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so glad i never actually hard to learn it < 1402548813 596441 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is always good practice to name your behavior with an alias that is the same as the callback module it is implemented in." < 1402548817 856322 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://aosabook.org/en/riak.html < 1402548828 102095 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused. Doesn't that make the server effectively a global variable? < 1402548855 549400 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no < 1402548862 420805 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"registering the process with the same name as the callback module," < 1402548867 159499 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't say to always do that < 1402548891 910621 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still don't get how registered gen_server processes are any different from global mutable variables < 1402549032 797210 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this sensible? Can you draw it in diagramatic notation? outtext : () / ($1(iosys), $2(string) |- $3(++)); outtext = [io,s,z] cut true [t] fold s t z [ch,_,k] outbyte io ch k; < 1402549116 115410 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note that validating the data sent to the server should occur on the client side. If the client sends incorrect information, the server should terminate." < 1402549139 30208 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's Erlang with crash early and the client itself is more trusted. But still, those are not words I expect to read < 1402549165 256852 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@75-175-104-136.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't draw < 1402549202 816175 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crash early crash often < 1402549247 436198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone once told me about a program that never crash because it did everything it needed to do in the time it took for the watchdog timer to run out, and then it just restarted automatically. < 1402550049 806889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you add a new symbol to a logic together with a proof such that, assuming the system is consistent, that adding this symbol and the rules to go with it will not admit any new theorems which do not involve this symbol? < 1402550193 442161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, how can you make this proof to do stuff like a computer program does? < 1402550492 482633 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tuysmedkacrufwxt JOIN :#esoteric < 1402550825 676009 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@75-175-104-136.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, what would a counterexample be? you could add a new reduction rule that reduces an expression of original symbols that wasn't reduced originally to something involving the new symbol < 1402550869 201663 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@75-175-104-136.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, you can't just ban all rules that do that, because then another rule might take it back to original symbols... except that reduction still wouldn't be in the original < 1402551831 752200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not quite understand you. < 1402552183 831583 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@75-175-104-136.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking more i don't think it's relevant to what you actually meant, souree < 1402552505 454614 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps that is why I do not understand. < 1402552656 533160 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@75-175-104-136.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mind's stuck in orgo, i'm thinking of shit like alkoxymercurationdemercuration where you throw some weird bullshit like merc(ii) acetate at a hydrocarbon but just get an ether out < 1402552790 508624 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gentzen14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39801&oldid=39707 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+140) 10 < 1402552836 12173 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@75-175-104-136.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, like, you're adding a reduction scheme that uses a novel intermediate but can still start and end with CHO < 1402553318 779634 :tertu!~tertu@184-97-163-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402554770 392469 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402555329 944559 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@75-175-104-136.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402556369 705084 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Sleeping < 1402557290 608728 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :redaction scheme? < 1402559712 797608 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaah < 1402559726 973746 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The grand final for a programming competition my university has ran is today! < 1402559845 265411 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bad PR < 1402559848 801463 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bad: not found < 1402559849 532518 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote bad PR < 1402559850 87549 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :193) <elliott> Getting bad programmers to like something is a failure. < 1402559857 617517 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote e bad PR < 1402559858 228978 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1402560138 163210 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402560239 842818 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402561448 396118 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402561452 141384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402561591 923910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oeis.org/search?q=1%2C3%2C11%2C42%2C163 < 1402561797 788872 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402561798 25150 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402561949 309968 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1402561997 481091 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de PART :#esoteric < 1402562060 874936 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1402562198 560511 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402562244 263721 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Th14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39802 5* 03T.J.S.1 5* (+2566) 10Suggested additions for turing-completeness. < 1402562248 72979 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary Metal http://youtu.be/dYBZMRWcEBk < 1402562323 806169 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402562826 299846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode r� < 1402562826 957400 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0072 LATIN SMALL LETTER R] [U+FFFD REPLACEMENT CHARACTER] < 1402562875 383778 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1402562890 471286 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helloerjan < 1402562908 820688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haneb < 1402562929 59021 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know whether Lisp's list comprehensions are turing complete? < 1402562940 921924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not know lisp's list comprehensions. < 1402562950 547001 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lisp's list comprehensions"? < 1402562979 410098 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend has suggested they may be turing complete < 1402562980 795013 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean python's or haskell's list comprehensions? < 1402562984 661365 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do not know them at all < 1402562990 748907 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402562990 936446 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402562998 471898 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, no, specifically Lisp's < 1402563040 665912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they contain some unusual feature my hunch is no. < 1402563064 686046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ordinary list comprehensions is a very primitive recursive thing, i think. < 1402563085 969653 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which lisp? let me check cltl < 1402563125 712125 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are they called? < 1402563170 620873 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am afraid I do not know < 1402563182 162556 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :qlkzy, prod < 1402563183 26644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BET YOUR FRIEND MADE IT UP HTH < 1402563201 891544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cltl doesn't seem to mention "comprehension" < 1402563251 96995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did you know that "prod" isn't very googleable hth < 1402563268 182369 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was prodding qlkzy < 1402563274 567328 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is the friend in question < 1402563298 558526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ogles qlkzy suspiciously < 1402563586 419394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<int-e> zzo38: haskell started out with "monad comprehensions", [...] <-- no, list comprehensions came first, before monads were on the table. then there was an intermediate stage. < 1402563599 733507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e <int-e> zzo38: haskell started out with "monad comprehensions", [...] <-- no, list comprehensions came first, before monads were on the table. then there was an intermediate stage. < 1402563600 45825 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1402563682 678117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Burstall and Darlington's work with NPL influenced many functional programming languages during the 1980s, but not all included list comprehensions. An exception was the influential pure lazy functional programming language Miranda, which was released in 1985. The subsequently developed standard pure lazy functional language Haskell includes many of Miranda's features, including list comprehensions." < 1402563707 211364 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is monad comprehension < 1402563778 344521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: you know how list comprehensions in haskell are equivalent in sugariness to the do-notation for the list monad? just do that transformation backwards for an arbitrary monad. < 1402563798 736295 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay! < 1402563820 678720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ e1 | x <- e2, y <- e3 ] = do x <- e2; y <- e3; return e1 < 1402563866 224380 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tuysmedkacrufwxt QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1402563908 595458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :enabled in ghc with {-# LANGUAGE MonadComprehensions #-} < 1402564060 842194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also some linq-/sql-like additions for lists, which iirc have been extended to use monadic classes as well < 1402564143 217817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ x+y | x <- Just 2, y <- Just 3 ] < 1402564144 934521 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘[t]’ < 1402564145 121818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘Data.Maybe.Maybe a0’Couldn't match expected ty... < 1402564145 121994 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘Data.Maybe.Maybe a1’ < 1402564145 122086 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Relevant bindings include x :: t (bound at <interactive>:1:9) < 1402564150 869198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah not enabled < 1402564221 814014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_comprehension#Common_Lisp looks relevant < 1402564313 399073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402564550 814777 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07NybbleScrambler14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39803 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+1887) 10This is an idea for a very simple single-instruction (OISC) CPU. < 1402564627 846245 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402564698 880279 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402565330 222090 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, you kept mentioning cyclic tag systems, and how either two stacks or a single queue is enough for turing-completeness. < 1402565358 438251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah, although it's not quite that simpel < 1402565361 135982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*simple < 1402565364 320767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I've read a book which explains this about complexity theory (in a somewhat more precise way) < 1402565372 482206 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think I understand it better now, < 1402565381 107863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can invent a language with all sorts of memory access, but it's no good if it, say, doesn't have loops, or doesn't have a way to read the memory < 1402565382 776439 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :further, it also explained something I didn't understand: < 1402565397 158420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just in my "heuristics for guessing whether a language is probably Turing-complete" < 1402565400 952592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily <boily> meanwhile, finns are weird → http://i.imgur.com/7gSGv1S.jpg <-- one super-delicious ice cream hth < 1402565401 375113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1402565411 237825 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tells why the Post correspondence problem is undecidable. < 1402565422 546344 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, Fueue is a fun language that is turing-complete with just a queue < 1402565453 616915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason is that the Post correspondance problem is just a machine with a single queue, except that it has only one state so the step can only depend on the unqueued elements, and it's nondeterministic, < 1402565466 468950 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could treat Fueue as a complicated cyclic tag system? < 1402565469 676793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I'd stop short of saying one queue is usually enough for Turing-completeness, I'd put the Turing-completeness of queue-based languages at "often" < 1402565479 483758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's queue elements are actually rather over-powered for tc-ness, though < 1402565482 473936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its < 1402565507 240781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, they're not precisely symbols in an alphabet < 1402565514 244445 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can simulate anything with a quadratic slowdown. the lack of state is no theoretical problem, though it might practically make it slower. < 1402565543 285941 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and of course, I know it's just "often", not precise statements < 1402565610 859872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two stacks is more at the "usually" point < 1402565627 473021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh to make do with only symbols in an alphabet you might need a program separate from the queue (or do you? i don't think i've seen any proof) < 1402565677 568355 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also told a bit about counter machines (equivalently pushdown automaton with multiple stacks where the stacks can contain only one symbol): < 1402565694 309683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so is your thesis thing released or how does it all work < 1402565698 901335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it about < 1402565715 303029 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I understand it correctly, but I think a counter machine with three (or more, unlimited) counters can simulate anything in exponential time, < 1402565727 327091 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a counter machine with two counters can simulate anything in double-exponential time, < 1402565754 651565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what do you mean by my "thesis thing"? my thesis is about lots of things < 1402565755 958523 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it said something about one counter being equivalent to a pushdown automaton, but I'm not sure I read that part right. < 1402565763 170376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean your thesis < 1402565768 572254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I have a meeting, I'll be back in a bit < 1402565778 838697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1402565786 867302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will probably go to sleep < 1402565850 285480 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, so, is like a... push-up? automaton turing complete? < 1402565871 123540 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what's that? < 1402565883 114160 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a push-down automaton but with a queue < 1402565941 256579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i think one counter is no stronger than a push-down automaton, but not strong enough to emulate _every_ pd automaton < 1402565942 197489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a queue, yes, but I don't think that would be called push-up < 1402565976 829803 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's clearly not stronger than a push-down automaton, because it's basically a push-down automaton that can have just one kind of symbol in its stack < 1402565995 850107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly. < 1402566059 448942 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for simulating any push-down automaton, I'm not sure I understood that right. I'm not even sure if it was supposed to be about deterministic or non-deterministic counter machine, and deterministic or non-deterministic pushdown automaton. I'll have to re-read, < 1402566065 406569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402566072 870373 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402566075 388907 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it isn't clear, I may have to read another book, but more likely I won't care. < 1402566092 629373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other part is slightly subtler. actually not much though - if you ever get a loop that doesn't shrink the counter overall, without passing through 0, you're doomed to never halt < 1402566109 36886 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't find these exponential time simulations too useful. In fact, I don't even like the quadratic slowdown simulations. I want quasi-linear. < 1402566113 332825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(loop to the same state) < 1402566238 393340 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402566270 896529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i think even emulating a RAM machine with a turing machine has more slowdown than that? < 1402566292 939388 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it has a quadratic slowdown, yes. < 1402566323 106940 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's why I don't like turing machines, and don't like how they (and string substitution machines and similar) has become sort of the most common model people invoke about computability < 1402566329 447508 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer pointer machines and similar < 1402566383 524839 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, for NP-completeness and stuff, people more often refer to SAT and variants, which are equivalent to RAM machines and all sane variants of pointer machines and combinator calculus etc up to juts a quasi-linear factor. < 1402566415 626229 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not quite < 1402566424 856277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1402566426 333712 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAT is equivalent to a _nondeterministic_ ram machine or pointer machine really < 1402566432 893529 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not the same < 1402566466 990108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh brain overuse < 1402566467 808746 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1402566518 516117 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402566519 520042 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402566566 280085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott <elliott> maybe all these "canaima"s are users of http://canaima.softwarelibre.gob.ve/ <-- ooh the mystery starts unraveling < 1402566566 665091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1402566727 959698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The operating system has gained a strong foothold and is one of the most used Linux distributions in Venezuela, largely because of its incorporation in public schools." < 1402566732 563489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :any news on BANCStar by the way?\ < 1402566754 563001 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402566856 563829 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39804&oldid=39755 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+23) 10NybbleScrambler < 1402566887 652386 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402566897 455013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not today < 1402566926 422621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't remember if b_jonas has been paying attention the rest of the week, if not then yes. < 1402566987 435836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the discussions between zzo38 and mroman. < 1402567080 188196 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the discussions between zzo38 and mroman were about the Monty hall problem and similar < 1402567126 699041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...go further back then < 1402567145 201739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could possibly be confusing mroman with someone else. < 1402567148 327985 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did read that then. < 1402567161 487927 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so no new discuessions since. < 1402567180 104644 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07NybbleScrambler14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39805&oldid=39803 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+2) 10 < 1402567556 339394 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402567743 893626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402567749 717719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: back < 1402567764 364897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tried to tab-complete the "back" as well as the "shachaf" < 1402567898 886278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hais523 < 1402567924 973781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: my thesis is currently about finite-state systems < 1402567949 795102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly it's about changes over time as I try to find an appropriate subset of my research that's internally consistent and doesn't have too many dependencies on things that don't exist < 1402567970 684905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, writing about hardware would be nice, but there aren't any sufficiently good formalisms of delay-insensitive asynchronous hardware yet < 1402567976 715441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I doubt I'll have time before the deadline to make one myself < 1402568079 912368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote e bad < 1402568080 462042 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :566) <monqy> bad people have feelings too <monqy> but they're bad <monqy> so it's okay \ 826) <olsner> we have PR? <oerjan> the good news is we have PR. the bad news is we borrowed haskell's motto for it. [...] <oerjan> [...] "avoid success at all costs" \ 1169) <zzo38> C and C++ have some bad features compared to BLISS. <zzo38> Although C doe < 1402568122 827755 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote with clients < 1402568123 382409 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :434) <Taneb> Well, I'm now experimenting with clients <fizzie> It doesn't sound like good PR to say that out loud. < 1402568185 384920 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to do that again < 1402568194 204462 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote PR < 1402568194 811440 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) <Quas_NaArt> Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... <Quas_NaArt> More practice is in order. \ 10) <fungot> GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know. \ 14) <fungot> oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler < 1402568203 675519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you should never give up your evil overlord dreams < 1402568222 280822 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, CaSe InSeNsItIvE. < 1402568228 361561 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hOw RuDe. < 1402568239 797947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` allquotes | grep PR < 1402568240 402905 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :434) <Taneb> Well, I'm now experimenting with clients <fizzie> It doesn't sound like good PR to say that out loud. \ 718) <elliott> I CAN'T DEAL WITH THE PRESSURE OF EVERYBODY THINKING I'M CONAL \ 826) <olsner> we have PR? <oerjan> the good news is we have PR. the bad news is we borrowed haskell's motto for it. [...] <oerjan> [...] "avoid succes < 1402568284 606790 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`shuf < 1402568293 105336 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` allquotes | grep PR | shuf < 1402568294 136999 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :718) <elliott> I CAN'T DEAL WITH THE PRESSURE OF EVERYBODY THINKING I'M CONAL \ 826) <olsner> we have PR? <oerjan> the good news is we have PR. the bad news is we borrowed haskell's motto for it. [...] <oerjan> [...] "avoid success at all costs" \ 434) <Taneb> Well, I'm now experimenting with clients <fizzie> It doesn't sound like good PR to say < 1402568306 61858 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. < 1402568315 75678 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1402568320 911687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` allquotes | grep PR | wc < 1402568325 324904 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 3 64 362 < 1402568340 517818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1402568342 541966 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that lines/words/characters? < 1402568349 568179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :think so < 1402568364 346198 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes < 1402568382 329939 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION discovers that, like do, Idris’ comprehensions will happily use whatever (>>=) and return fit. < 1402568440 153819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :idris, the language with haskelly type classes _and_ overloading madness < 1402568451 273444 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( run $ the ({ [EXCEPTION String] } Eff (Either String) Integer) $ [ the Integer (x * y) | x <- pure 2, y <- raise "no" ] < 1402568451 559461 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04Left 04"no" : 12Either 12String 12Integer < 1402568533 367683 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to guess it will also use whatever guard fits. < 1402568615 754696 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402568641 317773 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python print range(10) < 1402568644 51911 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9] < 1402568663 151372 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the Integer 4 < 1402568663 338522 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :044 : 12Integer < 1402568670 264057 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, I know idris now < 1402568786 140843 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( run $ the ({ [EXCEPTION String] } Eff (Either String) Integer) $ [ x * y | x <- pure 2, y <- raise "no" ] < 1402568786 404708 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04Left 04"no" : 12Either 12String 12Integer < 1402568812 360440 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently in that case the one full type suffices. < 1402569237 615033 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the < 1402569237 802249 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09the : (13a : 12Type) -> 13a -> 13a < 1402569268 963636 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BANCStar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39806&oldid=39783 5* 03B jonas 5* (+1713) 10 < 1402569309 508989 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the ((a : Type) -> a -> a) the < 1402569309 734703 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09the : (13a : 12Type) -> 13a -> 13a < 1402569325 127125 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I wrote up as much as I understood from the conversations and the github stuff < 1402569545 463635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh you were the one making the article < 1402569552 989471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs a working memory < 1402569913 908988 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no need for memory, just use a computer for that < 1402569999 335010 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BANCStar14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39807&oldid=39806 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+134) 10 < 1402570653 869521 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, linux 3.15 is released. so now we're definitely past version pi. < 1402571304 846377 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1402572086 406595 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-azlarwchitmleixn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1402572874 277182 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1402574090 461156 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402574151 717696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1402574896 299860 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402575159 179718 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the prevailing opinion about specifying stuff on other peoples languages in the wiki? < 1402575256 221255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i've done that, but in very small doses. < 1402575340 108523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like deciding Itflabtijtslwi's EOF convention) < 1402575421 739824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be pretty sure the language doesn't have a more specific definition or implementation outside the wiki... < 1402575534 302533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and preferably that it's not currently being worked on by its author < 1402575559 869413 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, generally speaking: if you come by with the first implementation you may decide? :D < 1402575566 393336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ER... < 1402575585 180544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :little details, anyway. < 1402576200 780881 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1402576456 99610 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1402576525 164326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course if the author is around here, it cannot hurt to ask. < 1402576547 686126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i assume you wouldn't be asking this then, though) < 1402576937 460250 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Mark it at least as your specification < 1402576957 524825 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. say it's a variant of the original author's specification < 1402576980 907787 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Foobar -> call your's Foobar+ or something < 1402577013 987140 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't just change someone else's language < 1402577048 472926 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you write a detailed enough specification you can submit as an ESOSC Draft :P < 1402577054 573386 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it < 1402577097 875545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disagree if it's about something which makes the original language unimplementable unless it's specified. < 1402577100 290984 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'd get ESOSC i may dovthat < 1402577116 949928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than an actual extension < 1402577165 113568 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about "there are implementations that do X whereas others do Y"? < 1402577165 770019 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402577196 876303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: you could just make a section about your implementation, describing its choices < 1402577205 535655 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402577221 124933 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1402577436 319622 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: "get ESOSC"? < 1402577521 878305 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that stuff that was floating around here just confused me < 1402577560 29696 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1402577571 325 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lii14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39808&oldid=39798 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+824) 10fibonacci < 1402578197 64203 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lii14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39809&oldid=39808 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-12) 10/* Tape via stacks */ fix < 1402578652 980473 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lii14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39810&oldid=39809 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-135) 10/* Tape via stacks */ format and removed unnecessary code < 1402579389 243077 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BANCStar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39811&oldid=39807 5* 03FireFly 5* (+1631) 10Add tables for instruction opcodes, add section about conditionals < 1402579451 869914 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BANCStar14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39812&oldid=39811 5* 03FireFly 5* (-2) 10/* Arithmetic instructions = */ Oops < 1402579656 30964 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: is the statement I wrote about the implementation and old floppy right? I'm not sure I understood the irc discussion correctly < 1402579666 594746 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1402579671 35481 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1402579785 445739 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we'll find BANCStar commands for displaying tiles and sprites and collision detection < 1402579793 710016 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and moving the viewpoint < 1402579799 200901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :viewport < 1402579813 858276 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402580166 489707 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402580312 512927 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402580807 628898 :password2!~password@197.78.169.44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402581129 181656 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lii14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39813&oldid=39810 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+166) 10/* Built-in classes */ toString < 1402581304 760896 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lii14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39814&oldid=39813 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+793) 10/* Linked list */ a new data structure < 1402581478 54723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Gah headache < 1402582481 485410 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402582518 106184 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402582523 467232 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402582657 240433 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu < 1402582675 472541 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know a pair of inverses mod m you also get a second pair of inverses for free < 1402582682 206933 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a neat trick I wasn't aware of until now < 1402583011 547728 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1402583033 451759 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402583084 759687 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the shipping charges that really get you. < 1402583107 245571 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402583117 225049 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402583387 679689 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402583888 815878 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402583939 902251 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402584175 468097 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we know something about (a*s) `mod` (a*b)? < 1402584253 55870 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds = a * (s `mod` b) < 1402584475 776743 :password2!~password@197.78.169.44 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402584873 300896 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-azejuaqwhbbnmbev JOIN :#esoteric < 1402585356 537564 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1402585377 746808 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we know something about the inverse of m in mod phi(m)? < 1402585441 349887 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it's always 1 < 1402585465 949573 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't beleive that for sure < 1402585506 105740 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1402585510 50088 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 1 < 1402585519 813920 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because well < 1402585527 731390 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :m mod phi(m) is 1 anyway < 1402585533 934171 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for primes < 1402585564 45596 :password2!~password@197.78.184.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402585604 354944 :password2!~password@197.78.184.86 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1402585662 819294 :password2!~password@197.78.184.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402585678 3896 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most m are not relatively prime to phi(m), so have no inverse < 1402585724 4455 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this includes all even m>2, and all m with a square divisor < 1402586027 596846 :nycs!~nycs@ip-216-46-79-198.dsl.nyc.megapath.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402586305 522094 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402587873 439196 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this script here is even wrong < 1402587878 127181 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a^(phi(m)) mod m = 1 < 1402587882 480808 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't hold forall m < 1402588073 249753 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for which m doesn't it? < 1402588117 699295 :nycs!~nycs@ip-216-46-79-198.dsl.nyc.megapath.net NICK :`^_^v < 1402588147 805422 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler's_theorem right, you can only be sure of this when gcd(a,m)=1 < 1402588160 550695 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, of course < 1402588179 75310 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it holds for all m and all relatively prime a < 1402588526 96512 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402588846 5920 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.dropbox.com/s/dsmndtrg4fuwmrg/2014-06-12%2017.58.26.jpg not the most useful page in my biology textbook < 1402589166 34873 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :6^(phi(8)) mod 8 is zero for example < 1402589383 152585 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it holds for m where m is prime < 1402589390 283656 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then it's essentially fermat's theorem < 1402589599 323508 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there finite groups that don't have at least one cyclic subgroup? < 1402589650 868141 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there even non-cyclic finite groups < 1402589715 224145 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. < 1402589887 686285 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would mean that there are finite groups G that have no element g with order |G| < 1402589975 662716 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :every element g produces a subgroup S where |G| = order of g? < 1402589995 508297 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mean |S|? < 1402590002 578522 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. yeah < 1402590013 629903 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so every finite group has at least one cyclic subgroup < 1402590020 284319 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even one where |S|=1 < 1402590031 602008 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivially S={e} is always a cyclic subgroup? < 1402590037 703529 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :only cyclic groups G have elements with ord(g) = |G|. < 1402590083 486180 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :For finite groups G and primes p, if p | |G| then G has at least one element of order p. < 1402590100 422520 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually even p^n | |G| < 1402590103 240154 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1402590145 467266 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not. < 1402590147 725482 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1402590174 287600 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sylow's theorem (which you probably have in mind) talks about a subgroup, not an element. < 1402590191 813901 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(his first theorem, that is) < 1402590244 4896 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: hmm. < 1402590261 870988 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I had sylow in mind < 1402590292 935977 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't there's a subgroup of order q imply, that there is an element of order q? < 1402590346 175245 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. that would mean that every group has an element of order < 1402590351 483474 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :|G|, where G is the group < 1402590362 274220 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :since G is a subgroup of itself < 1402590381 39170 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hmm, or is q a prime power? but it's still false) < 1402590421 374712 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :permutation groups are also non-cyclic for n>2 < 1402590421 619554 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The easiest counterexample is the Klein four group. < 1402590542 113014 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1402590548 490611 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if g has order n, there's a subgroup of order n < 1402590566 604887 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the vice-versa thingie doesn't hold.. hm < 1402590707 819027 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 is a natural number, but not all natural numbers equal 2. < 1402590721 955315 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously :) < 1402590726 308773 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, this thing just happens all the time in math. < 1402590735 487698 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm aware of that < 1402590779 733819 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought that you can only create subgroups by using an element g in G and it will produce a subgroup of order |g| < 1402590840 944240 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you can have other subgroups than that < 1402590845 252953 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get subgroubs from a number of generators < 1402590845 460217 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :<mroman> but the vice-versa thingie doesn't hold.. hm < 1402590859 308390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is a subgroup for each maximal prime factor < 1402590860 975910 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a single generator gives a subgroup of size its order < 1402590884 307558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, if p^n is the highest power of p in the factorisation of |G|, there's a subgroup of order p^n < 1402590944 890926 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sylow was mentioned < 1402590997 431229 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh anyway, a really simple example of a group with a noncyclic subgroup is Z2 x Z2 x Z2 < 1402591007 301105 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :which contains Z2 x Z2 as a subgroup, and that's not cyclic < 1402591875 729834 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but every subgroup produced by a single generator is still cyclic? < 1402591919 522703 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :by definition < 1402591927 385645 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyclic = has a single generator < 1402591969 549575 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :((Z,+) is cyclic, btw) < 1402592051 920014 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I confused primitive roots with generators < 1402592066 124006 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought generators always must have the same order as the group < 1402592094 741550 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although primitive roots isn't a term used for general groups < 1402592109 967857 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z2 x Z2 is generated by the set {(1,0),(0,1)} < 1402592178 629522 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'd call the elements of that sets the generators, once the set is established in the context. < 1402592254 967408 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are vector spaces groups? < 1402592265 992260 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :with addition, yes. < 1402592266 724786 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :without the scalar multiplication at least < 1402592293 141391 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just check the axioms) < 1402592340 443509 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basis of a vector space is also a generator? < 1402592343 111871 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or generators? < 1402592376 763349 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get how subgroups with multiple generators are supposed to work < 1402592395 172036 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0/1) and (1/0) will certainly form a sub-group < 1402592425 296812 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :a basis of a vector space isn't necessarily a generator < 1402592437 762553 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you start with the set of generators, and then close it under the group operations (inverse, and the binary operation) < 1402592473 525421 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :since with a basis you can multiply by any element of the underlying field, whereas with generators you can only add < 1402592517 837621 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1402592524 235477 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. the subgroup of (R,+) generated by {1} is (Z,+). < 1402592556 955978 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Funny things happen. The subgroup of (R,+) generated by {1,sqrt(2)} is isomorphic to (Z,+)^2 < 1402592559 996796 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1402592622 873970 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1,sqrt(2)}? < 1402592631 963289 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a set with two elements < 1402592656 395553 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's the subgroup? < 1402592668 560175 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1,1.41,2,2.41....}? < 1402592674 592704 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ x + y*sqrt(2) | x,y in Z } < 1402592881 282314 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also get 0 (technically this is a group operation; the empty set generates the trivial group), the inverses -1 and -sqrt(2), and any number you can get by adding those things together, which is { x + y*sqrt(2) | x,y in Z }. Fortunately, + is commutative; for non-abelien groups the generated group can be quite hairy. < 1402593652 483099 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402593905 742384 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-160.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402593952 875764 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402594115 476112 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402595611 115756 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402595804 764742 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402595826 785328 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Lucasieks14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39815&oldid=39453 5* 03Lucasieks 5* (+12) 10 < 1402595836 841913 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Lucasieks14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39816&oldid=39815 5* 03Lucasieks 5* (+1) 10 < 1402596159 660086 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :good edits < 1402596483 704617 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :for which x is the subgroup of (R,+) generated by {1,x} isomorphic to (Z,+) and not (Z,+)^2 < 1402596489 68090 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :just rationals? < 1402596678 336103 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1402596732 885598 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang it, what do you call two reals whose quotient is rational again < 1402596737 644756 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an adjective for it iirc! < 1402596779 996749 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. commensurable < 1402597017 64427 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know whats a fun group < 1402597018 737424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :R/Q < 1402597279 120838 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :R is also a Q-vector-space. Which has a basis (assuming the axiom of choice) ... < 1402597289 515209 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind-bending < 1402597356 390481 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently R/Q is isomorphic to R < 1402597623 173516 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an example of an element of R/Q < 1402597671 598762 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh: i guess these? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitali_set#Construction_and_proof < 1402597687 69978 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait why is it [0, 1] < 1402597793 321083 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-160.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because [0,1] is convenient and isomorphic to R? < 1402597824 208663 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's R/Q? < 1402597839 228764 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-160.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quotient set < 1402597842 947881 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-160.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :group, whatever < 1402598057 27331 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, an element of R/Q is a set of R that's closed by adding rationals, basically < 1402598150 907905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :or uh, better explanation, for any x in R then {x+q : q \in Q} is an element of R/Q < 1402598201 540787 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1402598228 245507 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :a vitali set is the opposite, it's one point from each element in R/Q < 1402598501 478757 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402599192 163626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (955) < 1402599192 722136 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (955): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1402599393 830895 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danke shachaf < 1402599394 381586 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: danke: not found < 1402599731 686813 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402599790 859128 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Javamannen 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:NybbleScrambling.png10]]" < 1402599929 915387 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1402599982 823662 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1402600202 427162 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07NybbleScrambler14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39818&oldid=39805 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+35) 10Added descriptive graphics < 1402600615 613844 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402601727 899596 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :on an unrelated note: I'm working on a CoreWar-clone that resembles traditional memory layouts/CISC cpus a little bit closer < 1402601743 823821 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one illegal opcode exception < 1402601756 601683 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will also enable the possibility of writing multi tasked program < 1402601779 195199 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :by purposely execute an illegal opcode and perform the task switch < 1402601805 937428 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also allows to recover from being tricked into executing an illegal opcode < 1402601814 956171 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, as long as your interrupt service routine stays intact < 1402601883 828852 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 QUIT :Quit: . < 1402602183 629980 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I've been thinking about adding hardware multitask support too < 1402602216 221372 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least add a timer < 1402602292 39767 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(programs run actually on different cpus sharing the same memory) < 1402602857 515552 :password2!~password@197.78.184.86 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402603498 761747 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1402605388 727766 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gs214]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39819&oldid=38178 5* 03Nooodl 5* (+273) 10/* Commands */ finish documenting opcodes < 1402606242 176296 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402607004 561092 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402607372 930552 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402607436 398367 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402607450 269357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402607935 599737 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1402607980 170106 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402607980 357241 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402608217 111732 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1402608378 193407 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402609448 383288 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1402610684 997522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I wrote a program for using for writing .MOD musics. < 1402611475 856176 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402611847 843531 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402612127 519171 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402612974 457901 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1402613136 225957 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1402613314 9501 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coding by SMS text message - Computerphile: http://youtu.be/0jraYGjhyY8 < 1402613319 228009 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want this! < 1402613836 116163 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1402613933 211340 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402614034 264441 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402614397 721898 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402614466 927848 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402614663 695874 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho god the brainfuck survey < 1402614754 812355 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why "ho god"? < 1402614821 388727 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at it and it's reminding me of how messed up the situation is with text mode vs binary mode < 1402614829 577535 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1402614854 361572 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "what should eof return" is a hard question < 1402614899 340724 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there is no way to signal eof < 1402614921 872768 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be a value between 0 and 255 < 1402614928 451005 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-160.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 < 1402614937 217856 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it has to conflict with one character no matter what < 1402614941 147468 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should specify a 9 bit version of brainfuck < 1402614944 600275 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1402614958 25755 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with -1 for EOF) < 1402615120 448961 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or borrow from the C standard: ", returns the next byte from standard input. at EOF, the behaviour of , is implementation-defined." < 1402615123 357479 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1402615151 871850 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, EOF shall be undefined behaviour! < 1402615160 389217 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402615282 918869 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`oots (955) < 1402615283 401963 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: oots: not found < 1402615290 184868 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (955) < 1402615290 372402 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (955): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1402615296 455818 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :srcond time < 1402615299 380716 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but c has a way to get filesize < 1402615301 71596 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*second < 1402615314 264145 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what. I grepped for oots in the logs. < 1402615320 2726 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1402615320 471807 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 13h 51m 59s ago: <boily> meanwhile, finns are weird → http://i.imgur.com/7gSGv1S.jpg <-- one super-delicious ice cream hth < 1402615321 947010 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're not supposed to ever read bytes past EOF anyways < 1402615322 219664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD IDEA < 1402615345 151742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: um pipes hth < 1402615354 68056 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a win32 coder < 1402615363 781659 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sockets? < 1402615372 699719 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik pipes are broken in the windows world < 1402615385 607668 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that I've ever used them) < 1402615451 97461 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically all the console-batchfile-textfile architecture of windows is subtly broken and you don't want to test the edge cases because they will break < 1402615466 967741 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this includes stuff like "non ascii filenames" < 1402615561 137828 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gasps < 1402615569 768776 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is generally due to inheriting the DOS mess < 1402615571 723099 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no you didn't just mention non-ascii filenames! < 1402615617 805037 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are ok for user land interaction < 1402615645 534011 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but once it's some datafile that's going to ship with a product, non-ascii filenames = "please break on other OSes" < 1402615695 226024 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the filename appears anywhere in source code, you're begging for the string to be interpreted as latin-1 on one compiler and utf-8 on some other < 1402615696 555220 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not good < 1402615729 494184 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry. some utf16 is garanteed to creep in. good lock with endianness! < 1402615752 792004 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter, almost all big endian platforms are dead < 1402615765 195093 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except maybe for the wii U and whatever clunky servers < 1402615819 892635 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some day, middle endian will come back! < 1402615907 819006 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically ARM blocked off the stream of new big endian architectures < 1402615974 104432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I would not call Power dead. < 1402616000 692413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that a lot of new stuff is being done for power servers (google etc.) < 1402617268 53613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402618024 305236 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1402618028 385966 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the wii u < 1402618064 907318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, depends on how you define alive, there :P < 1402618173 864854 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in 5 years when someone comes up with a new architecture, is it going to be little or big endian? :D < 1402618201 72739 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :back then there were many more influential big endian architectures (68k, mips) < 1402618208 190651 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's down to power < 1402618299 874420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what endianness is the Mill? < 1402618303 820168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sony and microsoft switched to x86 right? < 1402618308 317119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1402618336 104354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there is any technical advantage to big endian on the architectural level < 1402618350 227085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty clearly worse for assembly up < 1402618365 23459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: oh and network order is big-endian < 1402618368 523012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's always going to be relevant < 1402618433 161659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just always use ASCII filename anyways and require program I write to always require input to be ASCII filenames too, therefore avoiding any such problem. < 1402618446 880921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, too, solve problems by ignoring them < 1402618461 961293 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott : but then that's probably never going to be in code that has to be fast < 1402618486 276596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-ASCII filenames are a bad idea anyways. < 1402618488 729874 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by now most performance sensitive code is floating point anyways < 1402618494 73611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: you don't think high performance matters for network code? sure it's going to be IO-bound, but ignoring CPU cost hurts scalability < 1402618506 423347 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just said it < 1402618509 360826 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's IO bound < 1402618517 307520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that sentence has two parts though. < 1402618519 376455 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's full of loads, stores and jumps < 1402618527 282872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should see the amount of work people put into optimising HTTP parsing < 1402618529 292062 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's never going to be performance relevant < 1402618548 273336 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-160.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one article about O times being obsolete is all about caching versus network code... < 1402618566 278935 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :any code that deals with this is going to be limited by memory loads or branch mispredictions < 1402618589 127486 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402618610 634123 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't matter if you lose 5 cycles shifting data around because that's 5 cycles where the cpu is waiting on the cache/ram < 1402618610 919480 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filenames with spaces are also a bit bad idea, and with control characters. < 1402618621 68462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: anyway, I have no idea what at all the relevance of performance-sensitivity is < 1402618628 119479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that the original topic was endianness of UTF-16 filenames < 1402618628 391514 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple < 1402618639 204900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :performance wasn't even mentioned < 1402618653 301701 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're not in performance oriented code endianness doesn't even matter < 1402618663 369068 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just shift around the bytes if you're in the wrong endian < 1402618681 728460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:28:49 <boily> don't worry. some utf16 is garanteed to creep in. good lock with endianness! < 1402618684 742279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:29:12 <madbr> doesn't matter, almost all big endian platforms are dead < 1402618696 559456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is it does matter because big endian is here to stay (e.g. because network order) < 1402618701 913719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't just dismiss endianness concerns < 1402618704 550541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has nothing to do with performance < 1402618706 508560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many libraries insist on UTF-8 filenames, some programs use other codepages, but generally in all cases ASCII is a subset of such thing, therefore it work better. < 1402618730 576059 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if power falls out of relevance, all new architectures will be little endian < 1402618756 237402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but architectures are not the only things that can make endianness relevant... < 1402618771 598408 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I am not so sure. MMIX is big-endian. < 1402618788 382381 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if all architectures are little endian then there's no point to big endian utf-16 < 1402618804 855381 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though tbh there's barely any point to utf-16 at all anyways < 1402618819 419521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I do think small-endian is better. < 1402618841 657668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care about requiring the endianness for the purpose of parsing UTF-16. < 1402618899 183552 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode byte order marks are stupid and whoever came up with that idea should be hit < 1402618911 133572 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/byte order marks // < 1402618922 771563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: but there are reasons things would be big endian even if all architectures are little endian < 1402618943 792190 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :legacy format here and there yes < 1402618950 451323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, the network byte order is big endian, so it is ubiquitous. (though I guess in e.g. HTTP or whatever, use of UTF-16 specifies endianness explicitly) < 1402618963 855505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think the standard network byte order qualifies as legacy...? < 1402618967 973266 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1402618983 955760 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :legacy doesn't mean it's out of use < 1402618993 339898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. then I define everything on your computer as legacy and therefore completely irrelevant < 1402619003 481068 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1402619031 589119 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case I mean as in "If it was defined yesterday morning it would've been little endian. but it wasn't" < 1402619048 70159 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not legacy as more like a legacy decision < 1402619053 778136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we are always shackled by the past. < 1402619147 334500 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402619158 810880 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written code with < 1402619190 611069 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifdef BIG_ENDIAN #error Fix this #endif < 1402619210 734374 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect to be going through that code any time soon < 1402619216 376282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C code should never depend on endianness anyways. < 1402619253 319490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like explicit casting to bytes is dumb when bitwise ops say what you actually mean, compile identically, and are inherently portable (the operations you are doing on the values has nothing to do with your computer's internal representation of data) < 1402619263 368641 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would happen less often if there was a sensible way of reading shorts/ints from a raw byte stream < 1402619298 61166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have the correct preprocessor symbols you can use them to compile a shorter kind of code in one case than the other < 1402619314 791842 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott : essentially it's a file load/store issue < 1402619346 80706 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :once it's inside C++ values then of course it's in the architecture's natural byte order and everything is fine < 1402619361 611197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: it is not < 1402619374 71972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: http://commandcenter.blogspot.be/2012/04/byte-order-fallacy.html < 1402619385 740421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no reason to depend on architecture endianness for load/store operations, ever < 1402619394 707245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is more complicated, less clear, less portable, and no faster < 1402619421 412699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the code that depends on endianness can fail to work for reasons unrelated to endianness < 1402619424 177765 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i = (data[0]<<0) | (data[1]<<8) | (data[2]<<16) | (data[3]<<24); < 1402619426 271303 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is correct < 1402619430 847647 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also hard to read < 1402619453 15667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's hard to read, you have no business processing files with bits in them. < 1402619467 648891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because that can become a single read_uint16 function or whatever. < 1402619478 371493 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what happens usually < 1402619489 479300 :sambora!~chrome-o-@64.253.218.27 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402619489 666587 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except every program has its own definition of those < 1402619498 529206 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they never made it to the standard library < 1402619526 450952 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's the people that use #pragma pack < 1402619549 443395 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and essentially use a structure definition to essentially define a data loading format < 1402619609 46374 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but because the gcc guys and msvc are too stupid to agree on anything this involves multiple macros (one for gcc one of msvc) < 1402619642 558301 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus of course an extra "bit reverse everything" function for when you end up having to do a big endian port < 1402619655 441741 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the data can contain not only endianness and number of different sizes, also pointers, and variable lists, etc. < 1402619672 450361 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't have pointers < 1402619676 189122 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-160.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck, that ain't hard to read < 1402619676 729882 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's data from a file < 1402619689 450088 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: for one value it's not < 1402619690 893491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course C makes such serialization difficult, but some programming language (such as SQL) don't have this problem. < 1402619708 295638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I know it doesn't, but due to the file format it might be variable and so on < 1402619711 896047 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-160.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sql, savior of us all < 1402619714 419118 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: once it turns into loading complex data files with dozens of values it turns into a mess < 1402619726 104646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure if you've never heard of functions or macros or anything < 1402619731 215215 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-160.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah iwas gonna say < 1402619734 669633 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-160.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :abstract that shit bro < 1402619734 856846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case, god help you and your format parser anyway, it's going to be hideous < 1402619751 517399 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is going to be a mess, when you have to change things too < 1402619784 860954 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that's the thing to do < 1402619805 543014 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I also deal with real world code made 15 years ago by some maths programming guy < 1402619824 454088 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-160.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mathematician programmer is going to make everything ugly. < 1402619830 394312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case they already chose whether to cast or us bitshifts or whatever < 1402619835 661371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and any argument for one or the other is irrelevant < 1402619848 929430 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-160.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're going to go "gosh, haskell is cool, but i think it needs to look more like fortran" < 1402619851 612405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly all of your arguments are bizarre non-sequitur topic-changes whenever you run out of defences < 1402619863 359314 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the maths programming guy codes for win32, couldn't care less about POWER or MIPS (or sometimes even GCC!) and is going to use #pragma pack < 1402619875 42459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the programming language is QBASIC, then you can assume the PC or an emulator. If it is SQL, then it has a cross-platform format so that works; you can still define additional stuff in C, and call C from SQL and SQL from C, both ways. < 1402619879 793207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so are you this guy? if not, then it's irrelevant how he codes, because we were talking about how you code < 1402619890 814123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since, if you remember, this was about the ifdef that you wrote < 1402619923 78274 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it wasn't a maths programming guy then it would have read_int32() read_int16() read_int8() read_float() read_string() write_int32() etc... < 1402619995 331285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we're... talking... about... your... code... < 1402619995 706025 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who uses those anymore < 1402620005 973633 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it might be a maths heavy piece of code that does something interesting either < 1402620006 307909 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its all about dem * and & < 1402620011 583773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:25:58 <madbr> I've written code with < 1402620011 771466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:26:30 <madbr> #ifdef BIG_ENDIAN #error Fix this #endif < 1402620023 135670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:28:34 <madbr> elliott : essentially it's a file load/store issue < 1402620023 323447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:29:05 <madbr> once it's inside C++ values then of course it's in the architecture's natural byte order and everything is fine < 1402620043 835681 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402620057 52393 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1402620061 602990 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :big endian is best endian < 1402620077 150165 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead endian < 1402620085 261763 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-160.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i continue to find the history of the names hilarious given: that < 1402620092 33444 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :big endian is not IOS endian < 1402620101 804483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you care about endianness and various other thing (screen I/O, etc) one thing you can do is to run the program in emulator; for example, writing computer game and distributing in iNES format, then it can run on a NES/Famicom emulator or on a real NES/Famicom hardware. < 1402620106 872165 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even PC endian < 1402620111 302568 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-160.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo's got this shit down < 1402620124 365986 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402620146 640655 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "Oh god they're making us port to this retarded platform that is going to sell like 3 copies" endian < 1402620169 140053 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a NES raise your hand < 1402620179 943918 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i count zero < 1402620181 35150 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-160.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an SNES at the local goodwill for like ten bucks < 1402620184 204688 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to young, my generation was SNES < 1402620184 707010 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-160.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should get it < 1402620186 801681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people have actually made NES game and then released it on iPhone too, so you can still do that. < 1402620218 795134 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my generation was camecube < 1402620222 52749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program will be small-endian regardless of the endianness or word size of the computer you are running it on. < 1402620225 331606 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and win XP < 1402620262 745444 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason to do a NES game or something like that it that it forces some game design choices < 1402620268 89158 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, so the solution is to write an emulator for the architecture you coded it in < 1402620271 605911 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shapes the game that comes out < 1402620273 515891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: Yes. < 1402620285 628766 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just code it properly <_> < 1402620290 193217 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: To me, that isn't necessarily the reason, although it can be one. < 1402620292 110262 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta take a game design decision -> the nes can only do X < 1402620296 963434 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> then go for X < 1402620311 26312 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :result: the game is all X and feels stylistically unified < 1402620330 971269 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need a keyboard you have the Famicom Keyboard too. The SNES mouse can also be used, if you need mouse input. < 1402620347 6198 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no other real reason to do a NES games these days < 1402620353 401740 :sambora!~chrome-o-@64.253.218.27 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402620369 548813 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are other platforms that do everything the NES did and take less time to develop for < 1402620370 315702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I do it for many reason < 1402620394 951599 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the NES was a magical platform. < 1402620401 187096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing it on other platform, then it won't run on a different platform that that one < 1402620415 671135 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(magical in that you had to do some heavy thaumaturgy just to get the damn cartridge to boot.) < 1402620424 932122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own programs "Famicom Hangman" and "Attribute Zone" do use the Family BASIC keyboard for input. < 1402620460 675586 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are platforms that are fundamentally nice < 1402620463 358079 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write computer games for DOS computers too < 1402620467 761652 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and platforms that are fundamentally hostile < 1402620504 196457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my opinion is that modern systems are relatively terrible. < 1402620507 325052 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance the snes is fundamentally hostile < 1402620539 320621 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern systems are ok but they kinda guide you towards the wrong shape < 1402620556 975327 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're kinda too powerful in the wrong way < 1402620591 744853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are too complicated < 1402620595 435655 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ideal platform would let you only do a good, tight game < 1402620608 979636 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOS is NOT an ideal platform by this measure < 1402620624 774000 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOS is terrible, too. Famicom is OK. < 1402620701 984556 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you look at game platforms, some platforms have only crap games < 1402620743 905100 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is influenced by power level and economic rentability (ie the budget of the games on that platform) < 1402620785 631632 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's also a totally independent factor and some platforms have nice game libraries almost by voodoo magic < 1402620839 299019 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my example on this is going to be game soundtracks: < 1402620851 545207 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do so few neogeo games have bad soundtracks? < 1402620872 133991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the people who made neogeo are good composers. < 1402621083 295529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree to write the emulator for architecture you coded it in. It is done today by people who made "Zooming Secretary" for NES and iPhone and so on, and Infocom did it with all of their games too, so yes this is the idea. < 1402621419 426275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think the music in my "Attribute Zone" game is good? My brother said is very good. < 1402621546 539874 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would I know < 1402621594 759710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :By hearing it, I suppose? < 1402621674 157286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Full source-codes for all software involved (including the music itself) are also available. < 1402621718 807664 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402622002 831745 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is mapper 11, so no expansion audio. There is also no percussion, just because I am not very good at percussion. < 1402622011 194330 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1402622108 622426 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should try to learn how to compose it then < 1402622217 740792 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually it's just snares on 2 and 4 < 1402622232 153161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes perhaps I can try to learn percussion < 1402622241 415724 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kicks nominally on 1 and 3 but often displaced before or after or shuffled around in various ways < 1402622278 379773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But all the files are in: http://zzo38computer.org/nes_program/attrzone.zip and the .NSF is the only one you need to play the music, though. < 1402622284 540912 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hihats filling in not to loud on most eights in various rhythmic patterns with accented beats < 1402622300 19508 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :potentially with open hihat hits < 1402622321 877913 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then from time to time you have a fill and all of this stops and turns in whatever solo-y pattern fits best < 1402622328 5451 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if I do add percussion they would be using only the noise channel; I want to avoid use of DPCM < 1402622385 94952 :CADD!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mdsbaesrepcxrttl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402622483 723783 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can do megaman style drums < 1402622501 174199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know much about megaman style < 1402622513 228423 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as good as dpcm drums but better than nothing < 1402622540 478369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, probably that is true < 1402622586 992968 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could use DPCM in the editor, but I want to avoid using up the ROM space for DPCM samples, too. < 1402622603 158696 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to use lots < 1402622613 431825 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just enough to get nice snares and kick < 1402622632 269020 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can mix DPCM with noise for snares < 1402622666 256641 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you can mix DPCM with noise, too. < 1402622690 736652 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a good trick for noise snares is that you have to give it a low frequency thwack < 1402622703 271698 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :before the high frequency wall of noise < 1402622728 174412 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, one or two frames of low frequency rumble then broadband shhhhhh < 1402622747 902574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1402622775 10734 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier to try this out by experimenting < 1402622779 34325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe these existing songs might sound best without percussion anyways; I am not so sure. < 1402622814 313151 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally on nes you have so little going on that you need percussion to make the music go < 1402622832 910065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes of course, I can understand that. < 1402622844 456177 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, even when remixing classical music on the nes it generally benefits from added percussion < 1402622865 340996 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CONCUSSIVE CHICKEN < 1402622907 590879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the other game I intend to make next would be "Tape Battle", and probably using VRC6 mapper. Therefore, I would have additional sound channels available, although percussion is still possible too. < 1402622925 196978 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1402622926 105051 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for "Attribute Zone" game I don't intend to change the mapper to anything else from what it already is. < 1402622932 533653 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :start with most important things first < 1402622939 91188 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :percussion then maybe vrc6 < 1402622985 284049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am much better at chord and multiple harmony than percussion. Although, music wasn't the only reason I intend to use VRC6, anyways; it is also due to the mapper's other features. < 1402623039 237149 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course, when writing music that is only meant for .NSF, I will often use more than one expansion audio (although sometimes only one or none at all). < 1402623041 731422 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then work on percussion since that's your weakpoint < 1402623089 911779 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I can work on percussion too, especially for Attribute Zone game since not all of the music is yet complete in that game, so even if I don't add percussion to the existing music, the rest of the music can have percussion included. < 1402623111 401709 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :make people dance to the music < 1402623113 610268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently the title screen music even uses only one channel, and I think it is good that way < 1402623138 112288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The music isn't designed for dancing, although you can do that if you want. < 1402623199 644137 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the title screen the best place for grandiose music? < 1402623207 713387 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with lots going on etc < 1402623230 811616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so, but in this specific case, what it is now seems to be working OK. < 1402623307 565302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the title screen itself doesn't contain much either, other than the title, a place to enter the level number (using either the D-pad or the numeric keys), and tell you what other functions are available. It contains no colors or animation or anything. < 1402623310 55525 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would benifit from more harmony, fake echoes, crazy bassline, fake chorus/detune, etc < 1402623311 913318 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it move < 1402623317 391542 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :drums < 1402623333 498388 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spare 1k of data and get yourself a hard hitting snare < 1402623336 763703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may be correct. < 1402623356 733269 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :get your players all pumped up about the game < 1402623358 10392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I probably do have 1K spare. < 1402623409 300060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not added support for detune into the playback engine so far though. < 1402623416 855524 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :title screen/intro/menus is the best place to put pics of your main character < 1402623419 111512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the game is not an action game at all; it is just a puzzle game. < 1402623428 133844 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :make the player care about the dude he's about to play with < 1402623430 607248 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no story behind it nor is there meant to be. < 1402623462 994552 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :once in game the character has to be small and has to deal with the game action and it's too late < 1402623509 766220 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-160.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402623548 221286 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtId7oQz8-s < 1402623571 77455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are correct about those things, but this is not a story game. < 1402623579 50788 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the title screen and menus and intros are plastered with that dude's face < 1402623587 105566 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even about a story < 1402623603 56839 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about making the player identify to the main character < 1402623619 475553 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of games that do this barely have any story at all < 1402623663 352976 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :show him so that the players know who they're dealing with < 1402623775 464088 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want players to care about the gameplay < 1402623777 186503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't that kind of game, though. There isn't really any "main character" either; just one piece of the puzzle is a piece you can move directly by pushing the buttons (although some buttons also do other things such as detonate all bombs on the screen). < 1402623789 799068 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah < 1402623798 963788 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's a different type of game I guess < 1402623818 356093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is what I said. < 1402623830 633301 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a different game though, yes I can certainly take your advice. < 1402623920 229851 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it can also be applied to puzzle games (see: tetris attack) but it's defitively less important there < 1402623967 969383 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I think is less important there, and for puzzle game I generally prefer without, anyways < 1402624087 55398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, you don't even have to put everything on the title screen (it may not fit); stuff can also put in label picture, box picture, and instruction book. (Label picture can be distributed as PNG, perhaps) < 1402624225 727564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider the game play to be more important, though. < 1402624272 742738 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for your gameplay to work you have to make the player care about the game first < 1402624458 376262 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1402624554 731130 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the player might not want to learn your game mechanics if he's not emotionally involved < 1402624691 996026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people like puzzles. < 1402624726 394014 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1402624766 410330 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzles are great < 1402624778 711610 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they are even better when you involve human interest < 1402624877 898911 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of popular games are essentially puzzles but they are wrapped in all sorts of stuff that generate human interest (music, characters, settings, plot, etc) < 1402625051 379901 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to prefer to think of them in abstract terms, but you can do what you like. All of these software are open-source, in fact!! < 1402625089 727515 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may want a story for adventure game but for a puzzle game it is not necessary. < 1402625124 742659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chess puzzles don't generally have any music, characters, etc either. < 1402625139 8012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although, one very old chess puzzle does have a story to go with it.) < 1402625170 447490 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chess still has a human interst element < 1402625177 639544 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :first that you're playing against someone < 1402625188 734685 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also you're playing with an army < 1402625194 390508 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are fighting < 1402625197 157621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although if it is a chess problem then there is no opponent < 1402625202 357457 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you "eat" the other guy's pieces < 1402625218 212580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The proper term is "capture", but "eat" is used too < 1402625298 147702 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a reason you're playing with kings, queens and horses < 1402625309 209765 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is historical reason < 1402625338 170425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Go? < 1402625342 742671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tetris? < 1402625346 832133 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course actual king, queen, horses, etc isn't working like that, so generally is just considered the name of the pieces these days. < 1402625353 154744 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :go is more abstract < 1402625358 222323 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and also less popular) < 1402625362 233638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am an abstract kind of gamer < 1402625374 726136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet still vastly popular. < 1402625390 140012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't believe the main reason for chess's greater popularity is that the pieces have names. < 1402625421 631149 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They have names because there is more than one kind, for one thing; so that can help it. < 1402625424 64992 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are many more reasons yes < 1402625505 590746 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a good reason why so many games have a "narrative" < 1402625521 270789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can have a "narrative" if you want to < 1402625594 36796 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think candy crush is (unfortunately) so popular < 1402625610 894675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PART :#esoteric < 1402625627 625855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're telling people how to make their games more like candy crush, I hope they ignore you. < 1402625632 109117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic: the Gathering puzzles generally do have a story associated with them, although I don't generally care much about the story of the puzzle or of the cards. I play Pokemon Card too, but just do it in abstract terms and my own Pokemon Card puzzles don't have any story associated with them. < 1402625664 997634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: The title? I don't like that title much but probably it seems a lot of people would like. < 1402625680 285698 :vyv!~vyv@70.51.217.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402625681 59810 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mentioning that the puzzle game involves a peice that moves aroudn and detonates bombs remotely reminded me of some N64 game that I never actually played. < 1402625758 320128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The piece doesn't detonate bombs remotely; that is a global effect you can use by pushing one button, simply. The piece you move doesn't detonate bombs at all but some pieces do as part of their effect when colliding with bombs. < 1402625795 392300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order that you can tell apart the pieces, they are given names and icons (a bit more sensible than chess, though). < 1402625797 400874 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-2925118119.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402625818 814422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example a key is used to get past a door of the same color. < 1402625896 361367 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I meant the game I'm talking about was similar. < 1402625957 323043 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I forget how it worked, but I meant if you made the moveable peice a character, it would make snese for bombs to blow up globally via a key if you said it was a remote detonator. < 1402625979 140919 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though making it a character isn't needed. < 1402626099 73469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want a game with a story, I can play text adventure game or Dungeons&Dragons game or whatever. I don't need graphics or music for those either. < 1402626128 199021 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh I prefer stuff like mario rpg < 1402626368 309893 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for adventure games, the lucas arts stuff < 1402626391 790451 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fine, those game can be good too < 1402626438 359986 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they take a lot more effort to develop < 1402626443 51359 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's worth it < 1402626778 560916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1402626798 646097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, really it depend on preferences and on variety of things. < 1402627064 133682 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I make many computer games in DOS that don't have graphics, although some do use graphics mode in order to draw overlapping icons or hex grid or other stuff that it can help with. < 1402627325 447183 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as dos games go, my childhood was MEGARACE < 1402627385 289844 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god that thing < 1402627386 184423 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see what you've won, Enforcer! An invitation to spend an evening out with yourself, including restaurant and a romantic movie. All expenses paid by Y-O-U. Do I hear wedding bells? < 1402627400 223918 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did have an intersting soundtrack < 1402627400 647922 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i still remember it like yesterday) < 1402627434 489734 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure it NEVER HAD SEQUELS. shhhhh < 1402627436 47120 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the few games that does anything interesting with the hardware aside from playing midi < 1402627491 98485 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all custom patches and all sorts of crazy detune effects and fake echoes etc < 1402627496 863295 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:8162:3391:878a:a2d JOIN :#esoteric < 1402627556 242891 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of the usual "just play a midi (that was composed on some expensive roland module so it sounds totally stupid on the end user computer)" bullshit < 1402627601 549461 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1402627618 13358 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea what sort of mad hoops i'd have to jump through to get it to run on a 64-bit win8 machine? < 1402627629 16013 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1FVdUTSlF4&list=PL6F9446A70251AFD4&index=3 so raw and agressive < 1402627636 719941 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dosbox + prayer probably < 1402627680 848424 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngloop was a great track < 1402627712 396968 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he upload saturn or whatever < 1402627720 624768 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one where you get paloma < 1402627724 449812 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why aren't there more games with music like this < 1402627867 974372 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to play Pokemon Card? < 1402627878 806539 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the industrial one is "new fac", but my fav is suburb < 1402627898 27740 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbital junkyard < 1402627900 39796 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the one < 1402627916 155300 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sent me to tokyo every damn time < 1402628083 689410 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, do you think i could rip the midis from the disc? < 1402628173 487899 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the game even uses midis < 1402628187 402980 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's some sort of custom music system (same as in Dune) < 1402628202 147897 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could log them to VGM? < 1402628264 879228 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:8162:3391:878a:a2d QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402628276 128965 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'd have to get the damn thing to run, or track them down on the web (the link to the tracks on wikipedia is busted) < 1402628477 939451 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On April 15, 2014 it was announced conversions of the entire MegaRace Trilogy were being made for mobile and tablet devices along with a reboot of the franchise on PCs, game consoles, mobile, and tablet devices by ZOOM Platform and Jordan Freeman Group. Industry veteran, Bernie Stolar, is the Chairman of ZOOM and Jordan Freeman Group and was quoted in the press release" < 1402628518 92687 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno why they're bothering to convert 3 :/ < 1402628773 58935 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i think suburb is the one that went with orbital junkyard for some reason < 1402628783 313471 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1402629014 969898 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is one small soundtrack < 1402629020 145548 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it's bad < 1402629300 677479 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm Lance Boyle and you'd be too if you were me." < 1402629442 203388 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/torahhorse/status/475754225964572673 < 1402629550 953587 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have transpose/volume information for the Zeux series instruments that I can import into amigasam (a program I wrote for extracting instruments from .MOD music files)? < 1402629657 867239 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most samples should play C at 8363hz < 1402629666 3057 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some are on different octaves < 1402629670 376718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The format it uses is currently not compatible with any program other than AmigaMML (another program I wrote). < 1402629683 544355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes, although some aren't tuned to C at 8363 < 1402629706 527568 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have to do it by ear < 1402629717 458873 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :figure out the transposition and reverse it < 1402629790 226310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I could try that < 1402629814 873991 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no other way < 1402629846 250494 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1402630468 745956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to you can also try to use this amigasam format in other software, although currently there isn't any as far as I know of. < 1402630543 656188 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just rip samples straight out of amiga MODs in impulse tracker < 1402630578 621366 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402630591 57171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works, although MOD format stores no transpose information < 1402630613 419062 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402631071 280102 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This export format contains not only transpose, but also loop and base volume (which is not the same thing as default volume, although it will use the same value as default volume by default). < 1402631092 674862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the finetune, which is part of .MOD format anyways. < 1402631120 579407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most tracker music software can probably import directly from other music files and export them to whatever format they need < 1402631221 29924 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know .IT format has its own transpose features and so on. < 1402631590 67111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenMPT has no "reload current file" function as far as I can see, although the ENSATA DS emulator does have such a thing. < 1402631633 886360 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :reload current file? < 1402631699 835438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean just a shortcut key to cause it to reload the current file which is open. Many emulators and music players have no such shortcut. < 1402631989 286256 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's usual to do this on a module because normally when you have a song open in MPT you're editing it in MPT < 1402631997 841820 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not with like 2 or 3 programs at the same time < 1402632040 845700 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MPT has no SQL editor or MML compiler integrated with it; if they did have both things then you probably wouldn't ever need to edit it with other programs at the same time. < 1402632108 150084 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And if even those are insufficient, you could use SELECT LOAD_EXTENSION('more_stuff.dll'); or whatever) < 1402632130 324757 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point to using mpt is to avoid having to deal with mml or similar stuff < 1402632148 592470 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a full featured pattern editor just for this < 1402632176 927412 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pattern editor has like thousands of manhours of work in it to make it work well < 1402632201 464436 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenMPT does have a replace menu, which can do a few things, but not quite everything you might want; I think using SQL to do batch replacements of this kind would work better. < 1402632224 826798 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably overdesign < 1402632246 115468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then don't need a replace menu and all of that stuff < 1402632250 505879 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most users don't know SQL < 1402632288 628059 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the replace menu is specifically tailored to MPT's music data < 1402632295 31300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sure you could make one table to add things into the menu so that such thing can be added on < 1402632296 145958 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a significant advantage < 1402632322 61412 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that would add dependency on some SQL library < 1402632336 841658 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would increase loading time, size etc < 1402632339 351268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it would; I use SQLite myself < 1402632369 978068 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloating software like that is not a good idea < 1402632407 151420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, although mptrack.exe is already 2791 KB and has too many things compared to that really. < 1402632420 739500 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the VST and stuff we don't need. < 1402632430 879319 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all they aren't even portable! < 1402632449 697960 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :VST is 1000000 times more useful than adding SQL support for editing note data < 1402632457 914806 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1402632459 415023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really think so. < 1402632461 998256 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MPT was never portable < 1402632475 573898 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses like... MFC < 1402632477 59502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern version are adding more compatible playback though < 1402632484 496604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I mean < 1402632493 65553 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the playback library is portable yes < 1402632508 130063 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the program itself is 100% win32 only < 1402632519 205693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that isn't what I meant at all < 1402632546 296224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course it doesn't even have to be MPT; it is possible to make/use other software too, with same playback < 1402632553 115809 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also doing replacements in pattern data can usually be faked with the existing block commands < 1402632567 915468 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or by manipulating instrument parameters < 1402632584 809015 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :VST support is NOT fakable < 1402632625 253315 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no amount of pattern data editing will let you fake a reverb < 1402632645 86565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't like VST and use Csound instead; it is open-source and much easier to edit than VST in my opinion, and also doesn't require GUI like VST does. < 1402632679 619444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you use VST then these .MOD/.IT/whatever aren't a portable files anymore anyways. < 1402632688 454926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should make it a different program! < 1402632732 247619 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUIs are a feature < 1402632750 583781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it ought not to be a required feature. < 1402632766 893619 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tweaking a synthesizer patch by text file is bothersome and slow < 1402632792 215369 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gui exists to make that process faster < 1402632802 269209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it much easier and much more powerful though. Csound does support GUI too, though. < 1402632810 891417 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since your patch is easier to edit the result is normally going to be better < 1402632826 568965 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can use GUI in Csound if you want to, either using its own FLTK and stuff or using external programs such as Blue. < 1402632832 804100 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also GUIs are a significant time investment, you might as well use it < 1402632856 279450 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok link to one good looking GUI made for csound < 1402632858 739037 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-244-127.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402632901 187524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I find it more convenient to edit the text file directly. GUI may be helpful to try tweaking the stuff, but even if I do such thing, I want to export it into a text that can be included in another file, and then be able to put in varying parameters and all of that stuff too < 1402632926 267504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what GUI are available for Csound much, but I believe Blue has a lot of features. < 1402632937 657722 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does it look good < 1402632939 183184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Csound can load VST as well, though, so you can still use all of the VST GUIs. < 1402632943 784091 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is it practical to edit < 1402632952 405812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you care if it "look good"? < 1402632979 439358 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't want to strain my eyes < 1402632981 227420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me it is not so practical to edit, but neither is any tracker music software. But many people who do use it, find it very practical and useul to use. < 1402632997 337721 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I believe it does actually allow you to change the color if you don't like the blue colors. < 1402633055 572348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Csound also has the capability to be used as a VST. < 1402633080 590154 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too open-ended < 1402633107 778297 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like max-msp < 1402633109 778887 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I don't really like VST; they cost too much and you have to get each one individually, and it is Windows-only and difficult to do the advanced stuff that Csound is capable to do. < 1402633120 167891 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can in theory do everything in max-msp < 1402633174 323947 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice you can do everything but it's held by duck tape, it's never tight and it's not really conductive to actually composing music < 1402633201 343411 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reason VSTs cost money < 1402633203 992923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find Csound works very well though, and so do many others. < 1402633213 412034 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :high development time < 1402633236 851603 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1402633249 556900 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if they don't cost money, I still don't like VST, so I don't use it. < 1402633262 802086 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that high development time that makes it so that the synth isn't held together with duct tape and it doesn't break whenever you try to do anything < 1402633290 297350 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also one big feature is that they are made by people who know what they're doing so everything is implemented the right way around < 1402633309 483103 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, and envelope (ADSR) can be implemented the right way or the wrong way < 1402633331 254613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Csound doesn't "break whenever you try to do anything" either, and they are also made by people who know what they are doing, and are developed over a much longer period of time than VST, and is also open-source (GNU LGPL). < 1402633332 666591 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you get a stupid synth like some thing a dude made in synthedit, then it's going to be implemented the wrong way < 1402633409 833976 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Csound has a lot of commands included so that you can just start working on it right away. < 1402633418 738002 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in text data < 1402633427 909264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1402633443 877665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I find it works best. < 1402633447 873168 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your feedback loop (change something - test - change something - test - change something - test...) is never going to be short < 1402633449 572018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people don't, but they don't have to use it! < 1402633463 114990 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :short feedback loop is super important < 1402633467 505681 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and csound doesn't have it < 1402633496 147346 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I use impulse tracker < 1402633499 123576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find I can do it without taking too long. < 1402633501 560370 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a short feedback loop < 1402633508 231488 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : that's NOT short < 1402633542 881744 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All that means is that you are good at Impulse Tracker and that you are not very good at Csound. < 1402633551 442320 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1402633563 255424 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you like Impulse Tracker, then use it, but I don't like it, and can work faster in other ways < 1402633563 506311 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a difference between hearing changes as you make them < 1402633581 567393 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hearing them 10 seconds later after a text editor save < 1402633607 837078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is your assumption that you have to do it one at a time! Well, you don't! < 1402633641 940891 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you have to work super fast < 1402633653 104864 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you forget your musical ideas before you can type them in < 1402633669 454330 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not how I think of music, though. < 1402633701 113945 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultra tight musical data editors (piano rolls, trackers, etc) are not a luxury < 1402633704 618667 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are a necessity < 1402633706 814486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you ever work with writing down musical notations? < 1402633725 97577 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done it a couple of times < 1402633732 615895 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For school < 1402633757 482625 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a different ballgame... it's kindof like text editing, but with musical symbols < 1402633766 665703 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the goal is to produce an easy to read part < 1402633771 527111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing it by hand is going to be a bit slow, but I have done it nevertheless, even in the bus. < 1402633794 345653 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find the text file almost as easy to read, but much faster to enter/edit. < 1402633795 844275 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muisc notation: "Toot toot honk toot" < 1402633813 269848 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm not too good at sight reading < 1402633817 540272 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is very hard imho < 1402633852 130532 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Where am I about to dissapear to?" < 1402633860 496334 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : how do you know if the melody you've entered is strong or not so interesting? < 1402633873 700689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why do you think you are a very good musician if you are such bad at sight reading? I find it important for writing music. < 1402633877 313807 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, where am I going to put the extra pumpkin point if there's no room on my board now?" < 1402633879 731491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I can make good guesses by my mind. < 1402633895 881215 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait whty am I talkigna bout rthwe stream here. < 1402633896 137774 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : I'm just comparatively better at other things < 1402633898 144878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it is wrong, but not so likely. < 1402633920 373940 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : sure that's an ok first guess, but to really know you have to hear < 1402633924 637511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: O, that's fine < 1402633926 772456 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and THEN you know < 1402633933 20527 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I use a tracker < 1402633952 706118 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I can instantly play it back < 1402633963 369234 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fix the mistakes, improve how it sounds etc < 1402633965 113930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that it is also difficult to know even if it is only a few notes, even if you play them right away; I need to put all notes together to make the music to listen if it is wrong or not. < 1402633987 101092 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :try out 3 or 4 ways of doing voice leading in a bunch of crazy jazz chords < 1402633990 829338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, really it depend what kind of way work best for you for writing a music. < 1402634012 256689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use classical rather than jazz chords, so perhaps that makes a difference, too. < 1402634018 535873 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do both < 1402634060 873742 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've kindof half forgot the counterpoint rules so I just wing it < 1402634091 418249 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I listen to know if it works < 1402634175 560795 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402634228 404460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although some people don't use MML, tracker, piano roll, or anything like that and prefer just to play it on the piano and record the audio onto a tape or CD. I know someone who write music and prefers this method. < 1402634243 404208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :He plays guitar too, not only piano. < 1402634277 620862 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use piano to try out new ideas, try to figure out new chords to add to my style etc < 1402634292 471439 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just improvise around < 1402634293 751951 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1402634372 881975 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess piano + pencil on music sheet works as a music composition technique < 1402634380 778906 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know how to play piano too, and do sometimes try stuff too, but usually I play a music that is already written down; either from a book or I write it down myself and then play it. I don't do it so often though because I usually work with computer instead; it is much faster. < 1402634476 886666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At time of Bach and so on they would always only be writing it down and that kind of stuff. Some composers even were deaf and still could write music. < 1402634618 311931 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402634627 197673 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should probably learn jazz chords btw < 1402634679 364341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Maybe I will some day. I did read a few things about it from my sister's books actually, but don't know everything about it. They sometimes work, sometimes not so well, really. Some jazz music are good and some are worse, I find. < 1402634688 732021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it too slow to type music into the tracker grid and to go back and edit it, so that is why I think that using a integrated tracker+SQL+MML would work best (it is one reason, anyways). < 1402634735 617983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All extra menus and stuff and macro and so on can be defined externally rather than having to put all of that stuff into the program at once. < 1402634749 225231 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should learn to use a DAW < 1402634753 558603 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where it's at < 1402634799 749598 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402634809 890887 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used DAW, but find it is difficult, and yet I would also need to buy a MIDI input device. < 1402634828 592358 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is difficult < 1402634829 898200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually the digital piano I do have supports MIDI, but it is in a different room from the computer. < 1402634842 928564 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's what has the highest payoff < 1402634874 284387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find Csound can do everything that DAW can do (even real-time, MIDI input, etc), and it is also free, too. < 1402634909 181755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't need DAW because I am not a professional music writer. < 1402634915 253641 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on paper csound does everything < 1402634930 155729 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice, it's just not a music composition tool < 1402634945 816529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, to me it is, as well as several others. < 1402634969 399605 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402635162 559434 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pluso14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39820 5* 03Icepy 5* (+1362) 10Created page with "Pluso is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[User:Icepy|Icepy]] in 2014. This programming language is called pluso because it has to commands: plus and output. T..." < 1402635225 947082 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pluso14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39821&oldid=39820 5* 03Icepy 5* (-1) 10 < 1402635405 637646 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pluso14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39822&oldid=39821 5* 03Icepy 5* (+28) 10/* Hello world */ < 1402635504 701297 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pluso14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39823&oldid=39822 5* 03Icepy 5* (+27) 10 < 1402635517 537463 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[S] Rex Duodecim Angelus released < 1402635527 36856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Csound has been in development since 1985, and is still being updated today. Csound does support real-time and interactive if that helps you. There are many GUI and other stuff. Blue does have piano rolls, tracker style format, algorithmic generation, and more. < 1402635598 615018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things you say about Csound and MML and stuff being not useful is simply not true. The fact is, it depend your style of writing music what works best for you. If you don't find Csound and MML useful, then don't use them! < 1402635697 588837 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :impulse tracker is embedded onto my muscle memory < 1402635697 858118 :CADD!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mdsbaesrepcxrttl QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1402635724 355448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, use it if that helps you. < 1402635738 114815 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402635985 884186 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402636257 498029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I wrote AmigaMML so that I can use that instead. < 1402636610 393122 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my current pet project is trying to come up with a language for a megazeux successor < 1402636623 107227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also find that Impulse Tracker format is too complicated, as well as being too limited in some ways too (you cannot have multiple effects per cell) < 1402636650 340959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Interesting idea; I also have many idea relating to such thing! Mine is probably completely different. < 1402636662 42705 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1402636693 427250 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :- multiple "threads" per object < 1402636828 419369 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :- basic data types are floats, strings (std::string basically), vectors of floats (std::vector basically). variables are either local to objects, or global < 1402636874 35242 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :- object-local variables can be "generic" (ie all objects have that variable and you can read/write it on other objects) < 1402636900 992906 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :- thread supports basic megazeux-like flow control (wait 1, end, goto, send...) < 1402636960 147959 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still love this art http://wow.zamimg.com/images/hearthstone/cards/enus/animated/GAME_005_premium.gif?4443 < 1402636995 211249 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :- objects have some forced built-in variables like x, y, vx, vy (velocity), ax, ay (acceleration), hflip, hp... < 1402637059 493818 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :- you can send messages to a collide box < 1402637083 913902 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :- objects clip against the background (and probably other "solid" objects) < 1402637123 327232 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :- background is 2d tiled (designed for tiled 2d games like platformers, space shooters, zelda-likes and rpgs) < 1402637183 763184 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :- each tile in the tileset can have various attributes such as "solid" < 1402637196 341660 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :- slope tiles are also built-in < 1402637255 987197 :`^_^v!~nycs@ip-216-46-79-198.dsl.nyc.megapath.net QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1402637319 763041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have much to do with MegaZeux really, although may have some things inspired by MegaZeux; it is good though. Completely different from my own ideas, which is something closer to ZZT and MegaZeux. < 1402637326 907013 :`^_^v!~nycs@ip-216-46-79-198.dsl.nyc.megapath.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402637337 7911 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1402637351 435071 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the concept is geared towards 2d tiled games < 1402637362 412701 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means it needs a reasonable of 2d physics < 1402637384 709355 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also objects cannot be tiles anymore < 1402637411 223238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I can see, what you are writing is good and stuff, but different from my own ideas which aren't meant for the same kind of games really < 1402637515 365033 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your design? < 1402637647 665198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still has color/thing/param like MegaZeux, and the "thing" is either a primitive (which can be user-defined in the format file), or if it is too high, the thing/param together designate a robot ID. Therefore, the maximum number of robots depends on how many primitives are defined. < 1402637693 593381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Font height is a global setting of the game, and there are four fonts: system, text, robot, and object. The "robot" set can be set per board; "text" and "object" per world; "system" is immutable. < 1402637725 144713 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1402637749 499961 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many things are now defined in the format file (a standard one is provided, which you edit for your game if necessary). < 1402637781 358357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No more built-in ammo, health, lives, etc; you can define those yourself. < 1402637808 332438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few primitive objects and Robotic commands are built-in, while others are defined in the format file. < 1402637830 679110 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how does the format file define new object types < 1402637843 660044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Forth. < 1402637857 628244 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similar to what I have experimented modifying MegaZeux, but in a much better way than that. < 1402637873 243773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like board properties are also defined in the format file. < 1402637898 859019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, which board properties are available; the settings for each board are done in the editor like ZZT and MegaZeux do. < 1402637921 262752 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it expand the graphics? < 1402637962 441334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphics would be similar to MegaZeux, but with four banks of 256 characters and two bits per pixel, and a customizable (per-world) font height, but always 8 pixels wide. < 1402637985 661127 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not 4 bits per pixel? < 1402638079 685969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to the way colors will work, for simplicity, and to be closer to the MegaZeux. Each tile drawn on screen still has a background and foreground color, and one bit per pixel is used to select the alternate palette rather than the default one. < 1402638115 101483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, each tile still has colors same as in MegaZeux graphics mode 0, or PC text mode. < 1402638262 660137 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1402638302 865879 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my issues with megazeux is that it's hard to make nice action games because the tile-by-tile motion always feels kinda clunky < 1402638321 707149 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when all your sprites are 1x1 < 1402638345 977603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Number of built-in primitive objects is probably small, perhaps only empty, custom wall, and player (for things like GO SEEK, but player is now optional). All others are defined in the format file. < 1402638408 738430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand you, although those are not the kind of action games I would be trying to design with MegaZeux anyways. < 1402638541 776071 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 1x1 sprites are tiny < 1402638568 244454 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forces you to do all the character development/identification through text < 1402638585 386081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer doing character development/idenficiation through text anyways < 1402638602 249766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like cutscenes < 1402638656 359001 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the way is large sprites < 1402638663 358439 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is hard to do in mzx < 1402638686 528251 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-azejuaqwhbbnmbev QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1402638717 333911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is hard to do in MZX, but to me that is not the point; they are not important for these kind of computer game. < 1402638855 546461 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me they are important < 1402638876 220348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Well, that is why you make up that new one difference instead; it is still good too. < 1402638911 923707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I just don't like cutscenes and prefer text window. < 1402638963 915252 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not talking about cutscenes < 1402638974 159295 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're a different thing < 1402638980 230288 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about in game < 1402639000 21878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depend what type of game, really. < 1402639009 27283 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you try to make a game with more than 1x1 characters in mzx < 1402639020 181257 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you either have to use sprites < 1402639027 989296 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are imho not very well designed < 1402639036 607495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MZX isn't really suitable for the kind of game with more than 1x1 characters < 1402639040 63176 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also don't interact with anything else which sucks < 1402639051 764017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is a different kind of games anyways < 1402639052 995559 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1402639078 449031 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want larger characters because that improves emotional impact < 1402639098 919837 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and helps make action games less clunky < 1402639109 136613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me, it makes less things fit on the screen. < 1402639148 382511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using MegaZeux like that seem to be, you should be using something else. And your ideas can be used to make up such a program for this kind of design, it can be good idea! < 1402639346 365484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the thing I am trying to make is an entirely different kind of thing than yours, and for different purposes. < 1402639971 684960 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Rouringu de hajikunda! < 1402640081 405403 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402640489 769279 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402640507 543554 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402640570 805360 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-244-127.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402640835 715018 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth JOIN :#esoteric < 1402640900 51213 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402641595 234146 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.clickhole.com/video/what-adorable-little-girl-says-will-melt-your-hear-286 < 1402641601 35598 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may end up addicted to ClickHole < 1402642483 831236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you playing the clicking game < 1402642487 202573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlocking those achievements < 1402642652 693393 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Icepy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39824&oldid=39693 5* 03Icepy 5* (+52) 10 < 1402642744 868973 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39825&oldid=39791 5* 03Icepy 5* (+12) 10/* P */ < 1402643239 670295 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402644708 77 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1402647969 645644 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402648553 44541 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402648553 341912 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402648959 395693 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone considering to create a BANCStar parody language yet? as in, an esolang where the source code tries to mimic BANCStar source code. < 1402649015 58858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not yet, as far as I know < 1402649062 307775 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am. < 1402649074 50387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1402649271 274603 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's based on lanterna < 1402649283 104192 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://code.google.com/p/lanterna/) < 1402649409 262081 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402649463 204255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402649753 643097 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1402649928 480584 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: If you have some specific ideas...? < 1402649975 70827 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of roughly having a prompt file per application, 12 form files and 12 screen files < 1402649993 950943 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Form-Files describe the TextUI < 1402650002 318556 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the screen file is the code behind each Form < 1402650036 122801 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1402650081 91429 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I was actually thinking of something that doesn't behave like BANCStar, it's only the source code that looks like BANCStar < 1402650094 406419 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so source code must have lines with four optional numbers per line, < 1402650099 127322 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no comments allowed, < 1402650121 79378 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers are between -32768 and 32767, and 0 is sometimes omitted < 1402650151 301776 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes the last digit or the first digit is taken separately < 1402650173 105387 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... no prompt file too? < 1402650197 13953 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just mean an array of 2000 variables, then sure, that could exist < 1402650415 744249 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of encoding a scheme program (with some limitations) as numbers such that each positive number encodes a symbol in the first four digits and a parenthesis pattern in the last digit, < 1402650431 725331 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and negative numbers encode a literal (numeric or character), < 1402650436 93943 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this isn't good enough, < 1402650465 498151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it wouldn't replicate the way how there are lots of zeros, often multiple zeros in a line, and how the first of the four numbers in a line has a different distribution. < 1402650553 333720 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1402650562 183302 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have something that's good enough do it ;) < 1402650574 467692 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing a bancstar-mimic is currently on my todo list not in the first place ;) < 1402650583 799308 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just made some sketches but nothing more < 1402650655 279965 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently on top of my todo-list is my CoreWar-clone < 1402650890 668423 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll think more about this < 1402651014 630147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :must... break out... of logs' endianness discussion... < 1402651798 600448 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402652386 582092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION succeeded, btw < 1402652823 790772 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gentzen14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39826&oldid=39801 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+440) 10 < 1402652845 49993 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gentzen14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39827&oldid=39826 5* 03Zzo38 5* (-1) 10 < 1402653272 176945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so what do you think of this eugene goostman guy < 1402653281 495467 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: children's online privacy protection act please see their homepages and check out :) is it possible to run very often, but it's still better than nothing < 1402653299 505796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: it sounds like you've been taken in completely < 1402653301 831651 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: " this is a bad idea anyway to avoid that one! i was raised on thought balloons!! < 1402653481 538000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1402653481 935918 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1402653924 114547 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :please add the bibul style, based on http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/bibul which was downloaded from http://www.lolcatbible.com/ < 1402654203 919935 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402656182 40637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You were not raised on thought balloons, stop cheating people. < 1402656182 40813 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you say java is the best language for fnord < 1402656204 645046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I can say that but it doesn't make it true. < 1402656206 998895 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: first of all, it is not < 1402656237 760574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that's what I just said. < 1402656299 106304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily I don't get it < 1402656300 575081 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1402656353 921548 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie me neither. < 1402656355 419750 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1402656428 314856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It means "one".) < 1402656438 200657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's the best language for fnord < 1402656439 195052 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: others wouldn't even think about that, since it ( a, b).... is that a group won't make substantial political progress without appealing to a majority. < 1402656532 7819 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero < 1402656547 880845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you didn't see the whole thing http://i.imgur.com/7gSGv1S.jpg < 1402656608 394275 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402656615 467742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i already google translated it for boily but i'm not sure he realized < 1402656634 250937 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: don't think, no majority... is it forth? < 1402656653 511598 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it should look like before i saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness starving hysterical naked! < 1402656653 893161 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: forth it is. < 1402656653 893325 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: nope, just something i couldn't get to sleep... will check in some other place in memory < 1402656655 881387 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: okay then. I'll ask you later. < 1402656660 467215 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: gwydion if you generate an absolutely disgusting amount of getter/ setter methods and constructors are in that list too. ( let ( ( x 1) < 1402656676 892895 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I remember realizing you translated it, but I'm not sure. < 1402656730 304827 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's up got < 1402656730 721810 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: they use css to find the code, i'm more a pi guy than a fnord location whose contents is initialized to zero < 1402656786 99345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: we are all of us fnord locations whose contents is initialized to zero < 1402656786 478172 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: guile seems to be particularly welcome on irc. < 1402656799 480977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: more than you know hth < 1402656801 656550 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ( lambda ( x y) x y)? what operation would that perform, if ( proc-a) is not < 1402656825 601169 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ID! < 1402656834 949811 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: they forced the addition of laml < 1402656835 926172 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1402656922 557229 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402657289 200695 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PRISMATIC CHICKEN < 1402657778 386147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One delicious super ice cream", then. < 1402657793 647041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was loading p. slow on this thing.) < 1402658793 301326 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Insomnia14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39828&oldid=13211 5* 03175.156.179.223 5* (+125) 10/* About command 8 */ new section < 1402659352 296370 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero < 1402660233 404654 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402660768 220835 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1402660976 258260 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1402661144 419638 :spike!~Jackal@82.178.62.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402661507 535943 :spike!~Jackal@82.178.62.224 PART :#esoteric < 1402662899 967478 :password2!~password@197.78.133.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402663873 726690 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1402665459 936916 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1402665469 100066 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1402665831 410356 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402666334 776192 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-244-127.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402667765 916456 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402667850 852154 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402668609 730427 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1402669905 97398 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :On what planet was this released? https://github.com/haskell-distributed/distributed-process/blob/eae0a41/ChangeLog#L1 < 1402670342 93113 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402670894 95015 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402671955 422637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402672042 19986 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fishstacks14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39829&oldid=39214 5* 0375.102.84.17 5* (+1) 10 < 1402672227 623221 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1402673106 689871 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just misread "serialized" as "sterilized". Must be Friday. < 1402673656 354454 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-244-127.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1402674097 903685 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402674381 959011 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402674925 521224 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402675503 710710 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402675800 484524 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1402675811 729592 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some objects bette be sterilized! < 1402675822 193601 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java-Beans and so on < 1402676685 84966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I have gotten stuck permanently "Online" in Skype. < 1402676701 739107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I'm reasonably sure I have no Skype clients running anywhere. < 1402677255 319340 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a google search suggests: "The solution is: Unlink your Skype account and your Microsoft account" < 1402677384 295441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have them linked, so I can't follow that. < 1402677385 501671 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from this thread: http://community.skype.com/t5/Mac/Why-do-I-always-show-as-quot-online-quot/td-p/1038298 the first 4 posts are hilarious) < 1402677395 673525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm kind of proud that I thought of that without a Google search.) < 1402677445 809832 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :send a cease and desist letter to the NSA demanding that they stop running Skype clients on your behalf. < 1402677504 262587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last page of the thread did let me know of /showplaces, which is a command I was sort of wondering whether it existed. < 1402677560 803004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have one online endpoint, the one where I did /showplaces in. < 1402677578 858522 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when I shut down that client, I'm apparently still listed as "Online". < 1402677584 161389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a puzzling. < 1402677683 319107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also manually set my status to "Offline" and I still show up as "Online". < 1402677699 813342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The NSA explanation sounds likely at this point. < 1402678386 866859 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402678699 145393 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402678828 29498 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1402679604 29249 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1402679678 578945 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402679731 537757 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cwwthnctdvuhjfib JOIN :#esoteric < 1402680288 357938 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1402680419 871117 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402680474 708180 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402680626 77169 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402680694 716750 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402681655 994616 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402682075 395914 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402682275 597252 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402682962 798564 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402683364 128873 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402683738 314419 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402685460 504207 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402685807 256367 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402688244 532870 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402688938 443988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402689050 820799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1402689518 588251 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402689763 130409 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402689779 151779 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1402690159 805811 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402690407 864993 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de PART :#esoteric < 1402692158 66536 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Smilefuck14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39830 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+2266) 10Created page with "'''Smilefuck''' is an esoteric programming language similar to [[brainfuck]]. It was created on June 6th, 2014 by [[User:Sacchan]]. == Memory layout == The datastructure mani..." < 1402692189 81383 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Smilefuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39831&oldid=39830 5* 03Sacchan 5* (-4) 10 < 1402692223 442645 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Smilefuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39832&oldid=39831 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+10) 10 < 1402692330 887511 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Smilefuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39833&oldid=39832 5* 03Sacchan 5* (-44) 10 < 1402692347 487866 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Smilefuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39834&oldid=39833 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+1) 10 < 1402694131 751153 :nooodl!~nooodl@94-227-94-137.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402694151 893412 :password2!~password@197.78.133.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait , does the topic update on each wiki edit? < 1402694173 46279 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the topic? clearly not < 1402694176 216675 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just HackEgo talking < 1402694185 347754 :password2!~password@197.78.133.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1402694200 689419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can filter out those messages if you don't like them, like I have done. < 1402694202 382766 :password2!~password@197.78.133.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i saw colored text and thought topic < 1402694214 962042 :password2!~password@197.78.133.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the first time i see them < 1402694252 440597 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3>2011 >not being used to colored text < 1402694265 559724 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it's 2014 < 1402694275 867834 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prove it nerd < 1402694301 576718 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my grandpa actually thought it was 2015 a few days ago, that was odd < 1402694469 45820 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks that the way ST separates threads would work fine in idris. < 1402694500 582490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what's with the whole "calling people nerds" thing < 1402694583 781457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the joke "i'm a nerd myself and therefore it's funny that i would call somebody else one. and in addition i don't actually think it's insulting i just use it as if it was an insult" < 1402694591 540271 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“let v = runST (\x => newVar True) in runST (\y => readVar v)” → “Can't unify ST s (MutVar s Bool) with ST x (MutVar y iType)” (x and y named for illustrative purposes) < 1402694595 453468 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, probably < 1402694945 179769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402695792 371277 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1402695943 961487 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402696142 782185 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402696192 379622 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1402696372 895905 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1402696513 609231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing I want to know of someone else knows, is a way I can define the way to define a set of new symbols (which may be nullary, unary, binary, etc) for sequent calculus, and primitive rules to go with them, such that: * These rules only use the new symbols on the bottom and only outermost of a term. * It can be proven that there are no new theorems which do not involve these new symbols. * Such proof can be used for the computer to perform < 1402696659 614146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think in type theory those are called soundness proofs, although i don't know much about the details. < 1402696694 644303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least close to soundness proofs < 1402696731 5724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :girl genius still hasn't updated today :( < 1402696743 914132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those things from wednesday still look pretty scary, though. < 1402696992 330035 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel this channel has may-may arrows? >mfw < 1402696996 446136 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :/ < 1402697007 962695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a may-may arrow < 1402697042 438874 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably 4chan style quotes. 3>quoted text i only use them because ia m insufferable < 1402697062 33499 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just irc green, of course < 1402697084 648021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :diginet: i don't think i've seen them before today < 1402697116 27703 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bancstar in topic, did something happen to that? I remember we were trying to figure out how to figure out where it went < 1402697122 675271 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Soundness proofs? I don't know much about that either. < 1402697186 390119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: mroman got in touch with a guy who has a github repository on it, and some additional info was dug out < 1402697203 706806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and zzo38 has been reverse engineering < 1402697210 893441 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet! < 1402697225 70092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the wiki got a page on it. < 1402697284 49083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the eleven was my attempt at a subtle joke on some quote approximately like "the program only 10 people can read") < 1402697403 702657 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :good joke. < 1402697711 627536 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1402697780 74089 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the wiki has a decent article on it now < 1402697809 714687 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1402697822 897836 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it helps to not forget the lines I read a few minutes ago < 1402697983 109567 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone here ever used META-II? < 1402698007 622023 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've use Metapod. < 1402698312 693674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not used META-II < 1402698479 245884 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1402698516 947166 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1402698599 591720 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1402698670 395671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm news about an ad turning on people's xbox via the speech recognition < 1402698690 142169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i smell the next annoying internet prank < 1402698724 30981 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it will be so nice when speech recognition is sued more widely. < 1402698732 792380 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402698764 269166 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With that and text to speech engines, I'll soon be able to have a group of electronic devices chattering with each other, all mistaking each other's commands for those of humans. < 1402698766 746019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find your use of "sued" intriguing, as i can just about imagine you _didn't_ misspell it. < 1402698771 537582 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*used < 1402698791 759546 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could be interesting as well. < 1402698853 193460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a virus spreading through speech recognition... < 1402698860 7598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least a bot loop. < 1402698941 610610 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402699028 463776 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like speech command anyways and consider it is a bad idea. When dialing a telephone number that includes such a thing, I normally just push zero right away and hope it works. In the case of directory assistance, it does work. But in one case, someone told me, they had to tell them that they are an idiot before the computer tried to connect them to an operator. < 1402699043 96631 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The numbered menus I am OK with though < 1402699205 815648 :password2!~password@197.78.133.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402699260 222331 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1402699350 941739 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402699399 576741 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the deal with today's Dilbert? < 1402699535 472619 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402699680 726314 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it wants us to eat dark chocolate? < 1402699688 101282 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to argue with that. < 1402699747 669035 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the conclusion at the end is itself at least somewhat magical thinking. < 1402700105 826238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason I wanted to know about those things with proofs about new symbol in sequent calculus is presumable to make something like that in the type/class definitions for Gentzen esolang < 1402700305 812412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: the worship of rationality does not necessarily come with the ability to distinguish it. < 1402700358 421830 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402700368 755323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(above statement probably also magical thinking.) < 1402700612 361187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to tell Mozilla the maximum amount of time and memory to take while parsing CSS? < 1402700639 486606 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, really perhaps, rendering CSS < 1402700895 720966 :monotone_!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can tell it zero by disabling stylesheets. < 1402700898 860781 :monotone_!~monotone@room208.org NICK :polytone < 1402700923 299126 :polytone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there are many other choices. < 1402701807 815666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe UniMod format is better than Impulse Tracker? < 1402701883 52306 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, I meant that was what was up with the comic. < 1402701956 259701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you don't need only one effect per note, I think. < 1402702033 52797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a simplified version of such could help, possibly, by removing some redundant stuff < 1402703181 514166 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-111-165.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402704147 544619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402704407 561718 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-111-165.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1402704531 598299 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-167.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402704563 197376 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why META II is called that and not jsut META. < 1402704565 934123 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or META I. < 1402704666 813801 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 'PARA < 1402704733 74580 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1402705006 960921 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402705968 756196 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1402705982 836799 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402706808 398089 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1402706907 593766 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402707220 82708 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cwwthnctdvuhjfib QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402707237 948182 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irxqccapyhjaadlt JOIN :#esoteric < 1402708055 811856 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402708074 807047 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:411c:8421:cfa0:38dc JOIN :#esoteric < 1402708350 31838 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402708551 756172 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402710333 914089 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402710448 722826 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402710971 384572 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1402712372 30579 :kyhwana!kyhwana@snowleopard.kyhwana.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1402713218 736004 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402713251 374903 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:411c:8421:cfa0:38dc QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1402713433 779757 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402713701 844393 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1402713898 857603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it legal, under the GPL, to sell the current version of the software plus a subscription allowing you to receive new versions at no extra charge during the subscription period, with a clause in the subscription license (not the software) that says they are allowed to terminate the subscription if they find you distributing copies of the software, and require you to pay full price for the next version? < 1402714001 781391 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402714348 904058 :kyhwana!kyhwana@snowleopard.kyhwana.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hrm, im not sure about that, given the GPL says you're allowed to/have to distribute the source with the binary? < 1402714459 575907 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1402714564 285990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kyhwana: I know that you have to distribute the source, but I don't think that has anything to do with my question. < 1402714655 318424 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402714998 35514 :kyhwana!kyhwana@snowleopard.kyhwana.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, you'd probably have to ask a lawyer < 1402716100 901456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kyhwana: Someone else told me that it is allowed, and is what Red Hat does with binaries (although their sources are available to the public). < 1402716206 38083 :kyhwana!kyhwana@snowleopard.kyhwana.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, possibly < 1402717635 378134 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1402718393 371640 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a channel on freenode for license discussion < 1402718403 961312 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1402722734 699743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For proving the use of a new operator in a sequent calculus, as I have described above, could it work to do it involving the cut rule, like: For every pair of rules using the new operator on the bottom where one is used on the right of the turnstile and one on the left, you prove what a cut would prove by using everything on the top of both rules. < 1402722766 389167 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How well is it working? There may still be a problem possibly... < 1402723103 340975 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402723240 46738 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1402725186 795885 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm finding myself addicted to TagPro < 1402725340 364367 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wins 4 Losses 10 < 1402725874 957578 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402726363 195709 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39835&oldid=39804 5* 0372.220.70.84 5* (+113) 10 < 1402727141 147298 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402727179 482304 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402727234 994571 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402727337 523177 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402727755 538431 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1402727759 968640 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/88416 < 1402727771 912361 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe it IS possible for Chrome scripts to do arbitrary things to a page < 1402727830 712103 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03IdleGamesRock 5* 10New user account < 1402728169 556667 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:IdleGamesRock14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39836 5* 03IdleGamesRock 5* (+17) 10Created page with "Hi! I'm a person!" < 1402728688 123692 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irxqccapyhjaadlt QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1402728926 962352 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402728987 614620 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402729300 629682 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-167.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1402730127 539940 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang reminds me of OpenBSD < 1402730164 485436 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang has a 'let-it-crash' philosophy that may not be a good idea in environments other than Erlang. OpenBSD projects have a 'trust the OS' philosophy that may not be a good idea for OSes other than OpenBSD < 1402730462 547671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems like an incredibly tenuous connection < 1402730921 671246 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402731175 941570 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402731543 934699 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402732078 899163 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402732796 981988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I am adding support for Extended Module into AmigaMML, too, as well as a few other features which are compatible with both Amiga mode and Extended mode. < 1402733457 387463 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402733828 792734 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402733894 374586 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402735567 196140 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I had a dream that your uni accommodation was in York and you left it unlocked so I wondered in and you had an en-suite library < 1402735585 418151 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a fairly extreme commute < 1402735599 703554 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it would, i suppose, by mitigated by the en-suite library < 1402735633 156767 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there was a lecture theatre that was just in a corridor < 1402735734 12180 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I had a USB N64 controller I think < 1402735782 491574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was having some kind of dream at some point but then the fire alarm went off at 4 in the morning < 1402735785 142204 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was not pleasant < 1402735875 177656 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also when I went into your room you had IRC open on a computer so I messaged you from your account if I could borrow some of your books < 1402735946 829516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i even have any books < 1402735953 468327 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe that is because they are in york) < 1402735956 994016 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You poor person < 1402736118 398975 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i have 3, in various states of read-ness < 1402736151 648922 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1402736232 258672 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...do you want to borrow some of mine? < 1402736272 856992 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just put them in my library < 1402736370 459991 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1402736398 479487 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402736524 450343 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jmzabwmswcvhbkpw JOIN :#esoteric < 1402738407 340945 :password2!~password@197.78.133.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402738446 236533 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this f*ing cell phone not accepting my f*ing sim card < 1402738459 190880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402738928 509620 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1402738957 615427 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the correct size? < 1402739076 299340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :size matters not. < 1402739148 329869 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the wrong way round? < 1402739154 142880 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've made that mistake) < 1402739251 783476 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1402739429 67476 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the phone vendor-locked? < 1402739437 543615 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or whatever they call that) < 1402739479 967350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it's because it doesn't approve of your language hth < 1402739545 751965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ham packages i use to buy have recently started smelling weird after a few days, i have to throw out the last slices :/ < 1402739589 384324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this one is on the brink. < 1402739770 225851 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1402739773 472104 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it does work < 1402739784 300078 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :had to clean the goldy-shiny plate a little bit < 1402739818 227281 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the problem might have been that the bit that was supposed to be shiny was dirty < 1402739879 918195 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lousy bit < 1402739899 336994 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If its father were here it would hear something < 1402740860 633413 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402741055 649393 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402741067 790833 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402741536 626599 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402741687 522012 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402741781 743260 :nooodl!~nooodl@94-227-94-137.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402742150 356987 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402742150 594682 :Patashu_!Malachite@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402742343 980346 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07AlPhAbEt14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39837&oldid=34520 5* 03146.52.215.210 5* (+18) 10Updated homepage < 1402742444 982310 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402742510 483459 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402742705 753115 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402743034 150184 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39838&oldid=39835 5* 0392.20.254.163 5* (+170) 10/* General Ideas */ < 1402743703 621755 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402744209 390767 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1402744240 581678 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402744473 385244 :Patashu_!Malachite@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1402745107 930381 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402745547 885630 :skarn!skarn@binary.firrre.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402745571 615468 :skarn!skarn@binary.firrre.com NICK :Guest47376 < 1402746798 870681 :password2!~password@197.78.133.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should not have discovered that list of ideas < 1402746975 39666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO LATE NOW < 1402746978 908455 :Guest47376!skarn@binary.firrre.com QUIT :Changing host < 1402746979 107996 :Guest47376!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1402746985 604137 :password2!~password@197.78.133.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1402746988 271566 :Guest47376!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn NICK :skarn < 1402747067 970772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User:David.werecat&diff=39799&oldid=36193 i'm wondering if we should have a policy that you _must_ be logged in to edit your user page. < 1402747648 625893 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1402747778 737390 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pluso14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39839&oldid=39823 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10wikifmt < 1402747872 13544 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Insomnia14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39840&oldid=39828 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+52) 10unsigned < 1402747954 977659 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1402748318 502894 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Cheese14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39841&oldid=39794 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+178) 10the spirit of unsigned < 1402750713 883785 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :password2: You have fallen prey . < 1402750803 257976 :password2!~password@197.78.133.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1402750805 871058 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39842&oldid=39838 5* 0392.105.82.69 5* (+77) 10/* Joke/Silly Ideas */ < 1402750848 705970 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1402750878 693929 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone could make an esolang specifically designed for GPUs < 1402750915 831481 :password2!~password@197.78.133.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can has pixel? < 1402750925 742067 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like < 1402750927 342800 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIMD < 1402750931 539272 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheese looks awesome < 1402750959 360910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Checkout. < 1402751001 678570 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm sorry. I'm not git. < 1402751039 144284 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1402751040 944464 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language < 1402751199 348177 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :password2: piet? hehe. < 1402751219 863721 :password2!~password@197.78.133.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :piet? < 1402751248 52532 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Piet ... it has pixels, that's why I thought of it. < 1402751339 528538 :password2!~password@197.78.133.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1402751355 852399 :password2!~password@197.78.133.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it keeps confuzing me cas in my language Piet is a common name < 1402751378 306190 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dutch? < 1402751507 375678 :password2!~password@197.78.133.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afrikaans < 1402751525 578598 :password2!~password@197.78.133.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but close enough < 1402751594 701016 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402751594 982106 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice :) < 1402751624 614057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's named after piet mondrian, naturally < 1402751649 173248 :password2!~password@197.78.133.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1402751649 848847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, nice hitler mustache < 1402751805 574102 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402751861 94067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh dmm has recently added some clarifications to the language spec < 1402751897 938286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wiki is slow. < 1402752036 741496 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402752183 963629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or maybe just the note that there _are_ clarifications. < 1402752208 644558 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, something about stacks, something about numbers < 1402752244 867511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh they're unmarked? < 1402752248 539131 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1402752258 317607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a big block about white blocks that's marked. < 1402752269 794623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and older. < 1402752275 569558 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402752277 955062 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And divide, mod, and roll < 1402752324 533610 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, ctrl-f for implementation-dependent < 1402752329 928574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1402752377 527159 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402752411 901940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the stack one is missing the hyphen hth < 1402752451 799302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the number one < 1402752512 688400 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shush < 1402752544 915734 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, stacks, numbers, div, mod, roll < 1402752552 830542 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All to do with implementation dependent behaviour < 1402752657 475910 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :still bancstarring? < 1402752681 16873 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1402752710 274308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, pietting < 1402752754 136599 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :BANCStar isn't actually as esoteric as it first seemed < 1402752771 103589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not intended to be, so... < 1402752782 5447 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually pretty sane and it was never meant to be used directly by humans :) < 1402752814 247659 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess. some kind of bytecode that happens to be stored as decimal numbers? < 1402752842 334092 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1402752857 12571 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although later versions of BANCStar switched to a binary format < 1402752865 783315 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it really Bytecode < 1402752933 909565 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Quit: UPGRADING CHICKEN < 1402753002 236506 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not more esoteric than programming on punch-hole cards < 1402753021 662233 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that probably holds for most esolangs :DD < 1402753080 478144 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402753167 950423 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/jYzLiEJ9 < 1402753180 115870 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get why most assemblers actually require comma between arguments < 1402753817 849158 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402756755 7258 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402758740 942311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402759020 390788 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1402759467 900627 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jmzabwmswcvhbkpw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1402760499 488088 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Checkout looks interesting < 1402761737 543954 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402762284 523569 :password2!~password@197.78.133.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1402762387 371229 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402762542 71709 :password2!~password@197.78.133.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402762670 594032 :password2!~password@197.78.133.109 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402762924 766690 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-167.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402762985 102563 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402763645 218446 :password2!~password@197.78.145.123 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402763870 27161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BANCStar certainly is look like it could be stored as binary with eight bytes per instruction, although, it isn't. < 1402764199 413591 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that latter binary version is < 1402764200 756873 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :BANCStar 10 is < 1402764215 372953 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is whether the "empty" fields are actually 0, or something else < 1402764219 352840 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, 2999,,, < 1402764248 983068 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the LIST program seems to treat them as 0 < 1402764273 778592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes, I was actually thinking the same thing. They are either zero or -32768, was my initial idea. < 1402764276 142984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know. < 1402764306 182138 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My CI told me that later versions of BANCStar used a binary format < 1402764348 783099 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :CI? < 1402764358 111433 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably to stop them crazy folks from programming in it :D < 1402764388 418944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BANCStar really look not quite that bad. < 1402764397 600897 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn CI is a confidential informant < 1402764398 933871 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you could have the text compiled into a binary format, too. < 1402764399 626792 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1402764424 514737 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not difficult if you know what the omitted values are. < 1402764447 69548 :password2!~password@197.78.145.123 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402764900 581799 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :<mroman> probably to stop them crazy folks from programming in it :D < 1402764905 503518 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably won't help them much < 1402764929 510547 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's trivial to transform each to the other < 1402765064 728578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes, it is what I meant too < 1402765275 183195 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402765429 655784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is really unusual, but not quite that bad. < 1402765477 743403 :password2!~password@197.78.133.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402765497 731764 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is a bit bad, certainly < 1402765515 252517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is much esoteric as the stuff mentioned in the prehistory of esoteric programming < 1402765882 920005 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1402766597 791529 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-167.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402766660 960029 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-37-165.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402766883 362291 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-2925118119.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1402766973 992449 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-37-165.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402766999 787487 :vyv!~vyv@70.51.217.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402767111 520340 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-133.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402767812 743353 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402767886 242945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say no to pets who smoke: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140614-no-smoking.jpg < 1402767942 554875 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1402768087 481521 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-133.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402768112 630055 :password2!~password@197.78.133.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1402768221 511656 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-55-178.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402768958 766479 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402769627 281963 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-55-178.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402769638 621535 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-55-178.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402770512 331436 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402770893 74313 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2 < 1402771954 284974 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402772092 650553 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402772360 27330 :impomatic!~digital_w@246.11.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402774628 223944 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402774715 785672 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402774725 82408 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1402774777 587179 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-55-178.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1402774892 425973 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-111-235.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402775006 311689 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402775035 239703 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1402775113 221036 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth QUIT :Quit: Derogatory terms for gynecomastia can include moobs (for male boobs) and bitch tits.[34] < 1402775278 270334 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1402775929 819250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fowl it would be nice if your quit message didn't have "bitch" in it < 1402775930 221098 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1402777377 870265 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fowl language. < 1402777483 470345 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402777521 461887 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1402777627 739556 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1402777964 507280 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fowl also not boob or tits. < 1402777964 894257 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1402778058 896283 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ... < 1402778075 632761 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then explain why they didn't just design a higher level language and transform that to BANCStar < 1402778081 823671 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402778103 739860 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even that sounds like less effort than what they did < 1402778163 351632 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402778202 347913 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree < 1402778208 410610 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402778246 197377 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially considering they bothered to make that LIST program for pretty-printing BANCStar to paper.. < 1402778377 148750 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402778493 17730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: well, LIST was probably needed to understand existing code, whether one that was written before tools, or ones from the screen generator < 1402778506 400821 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIST has probably helped in the reverse engineering < 1402778555 526414 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, when they understood part of the language only, they would run an older version of LIST understanding that part of the language on programs by the screen generator to understand more. < 1402778598 828037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, I really don't understand why they bothered writing raw bancstar instead of translating to it < 1402778604 433337 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in assembly level < 1402778652 89617 :lorenzo_!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402778823 967549 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402778852 364437 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone here done any work with formal semantcs of programming languages? < 1402778887 833009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It doesn't seem *too* difficult to write. < 1402778902 503327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, a macro assembler probably would have been a good idea. < 1402778913 478894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you can include comments and metaprogramming < 1402778922 56827 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: exactly < 1402778926 287800 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. < 1402778929 354767 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-111-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never saw a seme i didn't like < 1402778934 102582 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and they can start with an assembler that is compatible with the existing syntax < 1402778938 915459 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they did < 1402778944 611293 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and incrementally increase it, first with comments, etc < 1402778951 379557 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :he mentioned they wrote _several_ development tools for it < 1402778957 52099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I do think would be good having an assembler compatible with the existing syntax < 1402778984 767447 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but the NFCS wasn't interested in them) < 1402778998 983133 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't asked what tools exactly < 1402779055 643807 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably just an assembler which uses the existing syntax but also with macros, comments, and link to prompt file, and names of pages, is enough. < 1402779069 702513 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1402779080 178689 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also easily replace numbers with mnemonics < 1402779083 25076 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1402779093 394517 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like arith or even add instead of 10000 ... < 1402779095 546782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: No, you can use macro to implement that < 1402779110 933958 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: just alphabetic symbols for the variables, plus a syntax for multiplying those by 10 and adding a digit, would help first < 1402779114 479112 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :macros are extra < 1402779121 873902 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that, you know, you can actually name variables < 1402779129 463676 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of just numbering them < 1402779136 872445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I myself would prefer having macros instead though < 1402779143 134221 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's what you're saying to link to prompt file < 1402779148 876369 :lorenzo_!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402779181 108643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, to link to variables and constants in the prompt file. < 1402779458 579286 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402780379 68448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what values are supposed to be used for the sample numbers in the list of sample numbers for all notes in the instrument? < 1402780636 384341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume to put zero < 1402782084 420265 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402782473 409485 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:What is the radio fuzzy when I stand in a particular place? < 1402789881 907390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if OpenMPT supports any DDE commands? < 1402790195 370596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: try vacuuming the place so the dust doesn't collect on the radio hth < 1402790268 884881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenMPT.Raii.Raii < 1402790281 514036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only norwegians will understand this pun) < 1402790314 990170 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402790325 945231 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402790418 472277 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :good world cup morning. < 1402790437 954424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily < 1402790515 500618 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tagpro-origin.koalabeast.com/sounds/levelmusic1.mp3 < 1402790518 890995 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love this music < 1402790586 161377 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :have anyone watched the Italy England match? < 1402790603 600046 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. < 1402791075 391058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1402791213 966397 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402791227 490547 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1402791250 458089 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402791254 372059 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402791363 822960 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1402791553 38354 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1402792711 946802 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402793269 202321 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402794090 349203 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402794209 376416 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402796043 631081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402796926 220158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what the "Wxx" command means in FastTracker? (Wikipedia says it is a "custom sync event", but doesn't describe what that means. OpenMPT documentation does not mention it at all.) < 1402797563 203169 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Quit: DRONING CHICKEN < 1402798642 756844 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It'd be something that is used by the playback routine rather than being audible < 1402798672 113763 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be used to sync graphics to the music, for example < 1402798912 703989 :impomatic!~digital_w@246.11.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402798964 663487 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:d0b:9aeb:710a:8c97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402799008 244846 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402799201 891412 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1402800139 183613 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1402800302 134959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I thought probably it does something like that, but could find no documentation. < 1402802021 886949 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1402802395 999267 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:d0b:9aeb:710a:8c97 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1402802408 586765 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402802567 351974 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone wake me up when NodeJS 0.12 gets released? Thanks < 1402802692 277574 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-111-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`nodejslist < 1402802693 143808 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: nodejslist: not found < 1402802755 916473 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402802926 906634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: How do you want to be notified? Perhaps go on their IRC channel and get notified when the message about it is released? < 1402802936 934570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know when NodeJS 0.12 gets released. < 1402803561 501505 :brandonsons!~singingbo@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402803646 237632 :brandonsons!~singingbo@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1402803664 296425 :singingboyo!~singingbo@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402805581 815183 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could UNIMOD format be extended to allow samples to be OPL2 patches? < 1402805867 798547 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402806478 460977 :special_K!gabi@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402806500 214945 :special_K!gabi@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PART :#esoteric < 1402808669 628654 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some kind of fancy debugger for haskell? like "whenever you call that function, show me its input"? < 1402808682 309095 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-111-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a trace? < 1402808697 27105 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :may work < 1402808781 815232 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i get that < 1402808794 719022 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-111-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google Debug.Trace < 1402808795 689070 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/base/Debug-Trace.html < 1402808795 904409 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Debug.Trace < 1402808873 912924 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Postmasters are actual real world entities, and not just used with email? < 1402808920 261906 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-111-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo you're american right. have you ever been west of the mississippi < 1402808932 419893 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1402808946 147628 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-111-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :half of everything here is named by some postmaster's whim < 1402808970 195952 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-111-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, i lived near a town called Moscow, and nobody knows why it's called that because the postmaster was just like "moscow" and that was that < 1402809113 332195 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402809697 951142 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like an awesome job < 1402809833 928132 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-111-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you only get to do that part once. < 1402809852 316129 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may just change cities after you name them < 1402811235 377152 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently some people hate Ari Ne'eman < 1402811409 927166 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arineeman.blogspot.com/ (note: blog seems to be heavily pseudoscientific) < 1402811448 325551 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Those of us experienced at curing autism know that all of these behaviors can be eliminated by removing the mercury from the brain that caused the brain to malfunction and produce these behaviors. Removing that mercury from the brain is the best way to eliminate the behavior and end the risk of children being harmed while in restraints." < 1402811593 44754 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1402811645 164318 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1402811665 538328 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402811670 756457 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This person seems to believe that Ari Ne'eman is an evil person preventing autistic people from being cured < 1402811715 956677 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-111-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there are actually higher rates of autism in places like Minamata. < 1402811814 361545 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-111-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're too busy with the psychosis and birth defects to care, though < 1402812035 370632 :MoALTz__!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402812235 907953 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1402812487 653908 :kyhwana!kyhwana@snowleopard.kyhwana.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why, you stop vaccinating people! duh. (lol mercury hasn't been used in vaccines for ages, etcetc). < 1402812510 575232 :kyhwana!kyhwana@snowleopard.kyhwana.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, apparently the seafood/fish supply is racking up loads of mercury these days < 1402813223 861432 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1402813235 907342 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402813412 478594 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402813512 423077 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1402814497 356623 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1402814613 995409 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402814643 664262 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1402814793 98635 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402814834 778533 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402815033 394637 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402815079 545167 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402815208 612476 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey it is about vaccines < 1402815224 718027 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why do these psychopaths campaign against helping these children? It's simple. When we cure these children by removing mercury from their brains that was put there via vaccines, it proves that the vaccines caused the brain damage. This reflects poorly on our corrupt medical industry and our corrupt Congress who was bribed to ignore it. So, they hire liars like Ari Ne'eman and his pack of brainwashed idiots who claim they have autism and < 1402815224 920430 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : want respect instead of a cure. They present positive language about helping themselves and their own autism but they are NOT autistic at all. " < 1402815315 588054 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Suppose it is in fact mercury damage (BS) and suppose they're able to remove it (probably chelation therapy, which is BS in an autism context). How does that prove that it's the vaccines that caused the mercury, if, e.g., fish have it these days < 1402815855 856637 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: abandon hope, all ye who enter here < 1402815905 108074 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am feeling somewhat down. < 1402816075 455024 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Partially because I am out of milk < 1402816087 712404 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mostly the not-too-uncommon feeling like a failure. < 1402819637 609953 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402820744 612234 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402820998 496281 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1402821200 261877 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402823220 370136 :MSusw!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402823438 458724 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402823446 795935 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402823487 904534 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402824620 86347 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402824822 665588 :password2!~password@197.78.172.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402825115 150815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402826570 576449 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1402827012 963043 :MoALTz__!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: brb < 1402827025 562927 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402827268 529328 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402827459 853813 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402827460 93807 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402827473 854770 :password2!~password@197.78.172.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1402828013 609670 :impomatic!~digital_w@246.11.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402828169 908326 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1402828219 795188 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402828579 141573 :impomatic!~digital_w@246.11.125.91.dyn.plus.net PART :#esoteric < 1402828605 439325 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-111-235.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1402828705 943765 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402829969 359823 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402830261 511086 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402830431 350806 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402831169 65371 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/alankila/Junk/tree/master/wav2png < 1402831180 917462 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently using PNG to compress audio is better than FLAC < 1402831302 760104 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only for specific cases < 1402831361 62609 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I am curious how JPEG would do < 1402831700 919030 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND I AM INSUFFICIENTLY KNOWLEDGEABLE TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THIS CURIOSITY < 1402832372 56415 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1402833755 209570 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402834346 855461 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: JPEG would be lossy, of course < 1402834355 576413 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect you'd get good compression but bad quality < 1402834453 363939 :impomatic!~digital_w@246.11.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402834973 217827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402834979 758635 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402835516 446156 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1402835672 979426 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus fuck the people in #archlinux are assholes < 1402835794 89880 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402836495 746973 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, some of my best friends are in #archlinux! < 1402836523 688678 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well tell them to get rid of the assholes! < 1402836615 791254 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they aren't < 1402836617 395192 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1402836721 751114 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I stopped idling there because it was too toxic for my taste < 1402836742 924860 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :archlinux, toxic? since when? :P < 1402836767 71875 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I dunno, I didn't like the channel very much < 1402836849 550669 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: what sort of assholes? < 1402836867 927794 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ones you don't want to fuck with < 1402836916 729977 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kind of assholes who will remember bullshit reasons to mock you just to bring them up next time you go in for support < 1402836950 283315 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, does Warwick have much of a CS society? < 1402836981 487832 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably? i've never been involved with them so i don't know < 1402836988 66932 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright < 1402837001 122115 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have friends who have gone to lan parties and shit so i guess < 1402837018 694502 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a CS society and a separate gaming society < 1402837025 96243 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then a separate again gamedev society < 1402837057 997977 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we have all of those, at least < 1402837064 281896 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like using IRC for support tends to be quite bad in various ways < 1402837081 415697 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am pretty sure I am the only person who is a member of all three < 1402837108 113813 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, it's still much faster than the alternatives, though < 1402837138 783247 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'm using CS to stand for "Computer Science" and not "CounterStrike", btw < 1402837224 827135 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am heading out now, bye! < 1402837400 797439 :impomatic!~digital_w@246.11.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: is that Warwick, UK? < 1402837615 774584 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1402837630 384264 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather the university of warwick, uk < 1402837649 677833 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the town of warwick is several miles away and has ~nothing to do with the university < 1402837844 105918 :impomatic!~digital_w@246.11.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My gf wants to visit the castle there. Hopefully I can convince her to go via Bletchley Park or the computer museum in Leicester. < 1402837950 548558 :impomatic!~digital_w@246.11.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION might drop by #archlinux especially to ask really dumb questions :-) < 1402838017 742366 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is bletchley park near here? < 1402838407 771212 :impomatic!~digital_w@246.11.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 50 miles. Not sure how easy it would be on public transport. < 1402838437 18114 :impomatic!~digital_w@246.11.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The National Museum of Computing is on Bletchley Park. It has a separate entry fee though... < 1402838511 315481 :impomatic!~digital_w@246.11.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also want to visit Jim Austin's Computer Collection somewhere near York http://www.computermuseum.org.uk < 1402838519 985734 :impomatic!~digital_w@246.11.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if Taneb has been... < 1402838557 39979 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not < 1402838610 729590 :impomatic!~digital_w@246.11.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks interesting but it's by appointment only. < 1402838666 392552 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of my friends was trying to organize an outing < 1402842103 907942 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1402842227 237672 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402842463 127512 :password2!~password@197.78.172.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402844155 876681 :MSusw!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1402844373 855211 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402845691 235005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402846064 469873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was easy to get to Bletchley Park from London by train, at least. < 1402846663 900981 :password2!~password@197.78.172.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1402851973 200038 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/70839/how-can-you-weigh-your-own-head-in-an-accurate-way < 1402851998 594288 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many ways < 1402852019 542894 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go get the axe < 1402852037 469521 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :crude! < 1402852067 773473 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why use an axe when you could compute the bulk density with high-energy gamma rays! < 1402852090 854050 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I'm not made of money < 1402852125 653645 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can go the Archimedes route < 1402852129 696785 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put your head in water < 1402852142 336432 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then put a variety of material density with the same volume in water < 1402852152 342989 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, that doesn't work < 1402852154 709644 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind < 1402852231 101958 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1402852242 401160 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need the high-energy gamma rays to work out the density < 1402852501 461684 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is pretty good < 1402852571 86365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402852861 369012 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2 < 1402856345 127164 :impomatic!~digital_w@246.11.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402857509 861429 :password2!~password@197.78.143.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402858026 928210 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402858643 133519 :password2!~password@197.78.143.37 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402858726 856229 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402858941 14713 :password2!~password@197.78.172.180 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402860789 552313 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb Fact: I have no idea if I have a bike pump < 1402860809 479259 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my unicycle has a flat tyre! < 1402860867 895667 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha you can use the air pump at a gas station < 1402860874 574937 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just be quick! < 1402860886 268178 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I live near a petrol station < 1402861094 341917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have dozens of photos of meerkats now. :/ < 1402861147 880339 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, enough to advertise an insurance comparison website? < 1402861169 355750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they used for that? < 1402861220 166859 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.comparethemeerkat.com/ < 1402861252 203927 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-osdyaysmzwibxceq JOIN :#esoteric < 1402861411 792045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 25+47, if that helps. < 1402861605 23154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also lots of tigers and elephants, and one squirrel.) < 1402861608 868025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We went to a zoo.) < 1402862204 378658 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tylervigen.com/view_correlation?id=7 < 1402863707 906291 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402863810 994861 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402864143 422255 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is likely impossible to embody an AIXI in our universe, as AIXI is uncomputable. Fortunately, AIXI has a computable approximation AIXItl, which is merely infeasible:" < 1402864223 158481 :^0!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402864424 229448 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402864436 671075 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I've contributed to reviving a dead IRC channel < 1402864447 911750 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1402864454 722064 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402864540 997372 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BANCStar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39843&oldid=39812 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+338) 10clarifying syntax < 1402864564 712375 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is that #zombie? < 1402864581 950077 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1402864600 176046 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a channel for UK university computer science societies < 1402864650 977660 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes someone would revive FIG UK < 1402864653 905367 :password2!~password@197.78.172.180 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402864656 952249 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIG UK? < 1402864749 169196 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UK Forth Interest Group < 1402864763 455285 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1402864785 71394 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: All about British figs. < 1402864812 851073 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BANCStar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39844&oldid=39843 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+70) 10prettify tables a bit < 1402864822 946786 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn Forth at some point < 1402864840 611443 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is glorious. < 1402865891 859627 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402866195 886514 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1402866260 755421 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402866865 930759 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode · < 1402866866 925268 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+00B7 MIDDLE DOT \ UTF-8: c2 b7 UTF-16BE: 00b7 Decimal: &#183; \ · \ Category: Po (Punctuation, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1402867322 563607 :kyhwana!kyhwana@snowleopard.kyhwana.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm, anyone seen that Verizon report on the stratfor hack? < 1402867719 691521 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402868198 166558 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1402868229 850117 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402868232 898072 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1402868287 545258 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1402868485 599953 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402868486 570913 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, help there's like people from your place on IRC < 1402868561 773610 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what place < 1402868577 65820 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both places! < 1402868579 952606 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah! < 1402868600 26808 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edinburgh AND Warwick University! < 1402868605 166590 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1402868611 666327 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any of them know me < 1402868659 379800 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1402868669 504048 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them are members of some university's CS society < 1402868682 350854 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either Edinburgh Uni or Warwick University < 1402868695 200914 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know anyone who does cs at edinburgh < 1402868710 603641 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you WANT to? < 1402868767 887639 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :im ambivalent < 1402868775 119796 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And do you know many people who do CS at Warwick? (iirc you do maths?) < 1402869078 933423 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402869257 386795 :kyhwana!kyhwana@snowleopard.kyhwana.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pdf.yt/d/yGrhyxVVK5yKmbcq is that verizon/stratfor report < 1402869509 890343 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, it appears they do not < 1402869525 764471 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1402869531 357920 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i have a few friends who do CS < 1402869690 961358 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, yes, these Warwick chaps appear not to know you < 1402869710 339097 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsurprising, i do only have a few friends in CS < 1402869738 482258 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1402869758 221356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402871022 279325 :barrucadu!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu NICK :barruca2 < 1402871027 457558 :barruca2!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu NICK :barrucadu < 1402871288 328051 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/unicode < 1402871288 730159 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ # -*- encoding: utf-8 -*- \ import re \ import sys, os \ import unicodedata \ def l(c): m = re.match('(?:U[+])?([0-9a-f]{1,5})$', c, re.I); return unicodedata.lookup(c) if m is None else unichr(int(m.group(1),16)) \ try: \ print u''.join(map(l, sys.argv[1:])).encode('utf-8') \ except KeyError: \ os.execvp("multico < 1402871295 719495 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, python huh < 1402871561 715171 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erq4TO_a3z8 < 1402871584 504401 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW CAN HE WAVE AROUND A LIVE PLUG LIKE THAT SO CALMLY < 1402871762 177700 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because doing it nervously, erratically would be dangerous? (I have not looked) < 1402871856 628344 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the comments are even more full of assholes than usual < 1402872284 740482 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if the user isn't using a power strip < 1402872295 940286 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he mentions that < 1402872305 93082 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I should finish watching videos before commenting < 1402872344 293518 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now do it with one of those: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuko < 1402872356 221516 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how people in the comments are jerking off to their fantasies of blowing an old man^W^W^WTHE FORCES OF TYRANNY up when he's just as likely to electrocute himself operating the thing < 1402872390 954877 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he's more careful and aware of what he's doing than you give him credit for < 1402872391 157337 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't work on UK plugs either, we have insulated sleeves on the prongs < 1402872411 734624 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but if it's meant to be used by general police forces, they need as much training < 1402872416 826154 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, look how carefully and tightly he holds the live plug in the first half of the video. < 1402872433 870774 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously this needs special training < 1402872514 602735 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when he disconnects the line from the hotplug he isn't nearly so careful, and it's still live < 1402872515 767283 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be possible to write software to detect that mouse thing < 1402872563 770495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402872610 506314 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: right. shut down on new USB device, unless the user has taken some action in advance. < 1402872641 834555 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was thinking 'what kind of mouse jiggles like that', but your way is probably easier and safer < 1402872642 159000 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just security through obscurity though < 1402872668 552550 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you can design around it but it's just an arms race < 1402872674 602995 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, what happens if you accidentally disconnect your real mouse and keyboard < 1402872692 826304 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tough luck, you shut down, reboot, re-enter your keys < 1402872749 144766 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're anticipating the imminent physical seizure of your computer what are you even doing fucking around with mouse detectors < 1402873147 848533 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship mouse? < 1402873161 790743 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :friendship mouse? < 1402873182 873835 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, friendship mouse was so long ago < 1402873191 491804 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, don't you remember friendship mouse? < 1402873199 68408 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do remember friendship mouse < 1402873212 215863 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember how long ago it was < 1402873646 372319 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1402873646 614011 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/ < 1402873647 86946 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | c.c.c |  ¯|¯⌠ `\o/´69   | c.c.c |   `\o/´69  ¯|¯⌠ | c.c.c | < 1402873647 289432 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |\ c.c /<  /| |   |    /'\ c.c /`\    |     |\|/|  c.c  |\ < 1402873647 639722 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69               (_|¯'\                 /´\ < 1402873647 842387 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                    |_)             (_| |_) < 1402873812 853056 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric : c.c c.c c.c c.c < 1402873813 290903 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69   c.c.c   c.c.c   c.c.cc.c.c < 1402873813 495151 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69    c.c     c.c     c.c c.c < 1402873828 782439 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I wonder whether it's possible to get the chord connecting to the power strip go off when unplugged from the strip. (There has to be some electronic inside the 'hotplug' device anyway, because you have to check that the phases from the UPS and the power supply are synchronized. measuring power drawn from the chord doesn't seem too add much then.) < 1402873832 743761 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric : c.c.c.c < 1402873832 946127 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69             c.c.cc.c.c < 1402873833 148976 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69              c.c c.c < 1402873857 811128 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: and it would be a huge boon to safety when there's only one hot plug transfer in the whole process. < 1402873862 631315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : c.c.c.c \o/ < 1402873863 493455 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69          c.c.cc.c.c | < 1402873863 695914 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69           c.c c.c   |\ < 1402873879 328254 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c.c.c.c.c\o/ < 1402873879 530744 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69    c.c.cc.c.c < 1402873879 733363 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69     c.c c.c < 1402873887 639767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: *cord, btw < 1402873899 156491 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks < 1402873901 843468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's musical power. < 1402873919 784429 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a segment connecting two points on a circle < 1402873920 776445 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, maybe < 1402873936 187823 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2011-08-10 < 1402873986 215360 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost 3 years ago < 1402873991 394300 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1402874076 341037 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow indeed < 1402874099 719071 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what am I looking at? < 1402874108 229056 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, Ctrl-f for mouse < 1402874119 814246 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is some good stuff here < 1402874158 100244 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the saga carried over to the next day, as i recall < 1402874177 371145 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares about mice, i'm takling intidus! < 1402874219 111479 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, you can do that for anything itidus has ever said < 1402874221 690428 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss itidus < 1402874279 309188 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, i missed the whole mouse discussion but i remember that: "<zzo38> In Hofstadter's book, Godel Escher Bach, the Lamp is made of copper, the Meta-Lamp is silver, the Meta-Meta-Lamp is gold, it does not say what the Meta-Meta-Meta-Lamp is made of, I can probably guess but what do you think?" < 1402874319 168466 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interesting thing is, in 2011 i was having the same stupid arguments < 1402874333 338042 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it platinum? < 1402874400 698955 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb said platinum, Phantom__Hoover said platinum, zzo38 said roentgenium < 1402874413 774274 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good answer. < 1402874432 393109 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :in hindsight he was wiser than either of us < 1402874436 807561 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said the meta-meta-meta-meta-lamp was upsidaisium, but nowadays, i'd probably say gold-pressed latinum < 1402874474 386060 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks so much. "AND THEN I CHECKED FOR IT" haha! < 1402874487 559234 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, i didn't know copper and silver and gold were in the same group o_o < 1402874489 913513 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin metals < 1402874496 777246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i was just looking up röntgenium < 1402874533 36266 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see our mouse talk also got rid of ais, another telltale sign of a classic #esoteric moment < 1402874567 281223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading logs from when I was 15 is weird < 1402874577 128536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did this happen before kmc arrived and started leaving < 1402874587 71663 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how has life carried you since? < 1402874609 883371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: um, there hasn't been all that much carrying, mostly I've walked places < 1402874617 408569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone wants to carry me though I'm up for that < 1402874626 272445 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Taneb> I like Unity <-- wow I've changed so much < 1402874626 674565 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, now i ned to know why VIIIB was three modern groups. < 1402874643 692378 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww. "22:39:54: <Phantom_Hoover> I caught it yesterday honestly get in the loop." < 1402874677 599540 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :good god i was 16 then < 1402874699 875680 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA i was older than you, and also not here < 1402874703 838231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'all kids grew up so fast < 1402874805 387610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: your lines developed a really free verse style in this log towards the end < 1402874822 670896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:36 especially < 1402874863 248052 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if the cat found it again in the end < 1402874962 714814 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vividly remember trying to pin it down under that table < 1402875007 733732 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was quite an adventure, probably nice to look back after 5 years :) < 1402875021 701091 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 6 < 1402875041 626276 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 3 < 1402875046 338670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the number you're looking for is 2014 - 2011, aka 3. < 1402875054 320413 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what my family do when the cat brings mice in now < 1402875064 183605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly feel intense embarrassment looking back three years :p < 1402875067 119447 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat em < 1402875086 226967 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd have to catch them for that < 1402875097 462555 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :compelling new research suggests that elliott was at some point a kid; researchers disturbed and revolted < 1402875099 356276 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, do you remember whether it was USB or PS/2? < 1402875118 415772 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know exactly what you mean < 1402875139 241735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I still am, by many people's definition! < 1402875139 481757 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, usb, it seemed pretty up-to-date < 1402875143 778395 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should read about Dialyzer. iiuc, it's a type system that instead of rejecting bad programs and some good ones, only ever rejects bad programs at the cost of letting more bad programs through < 1402875158 189004 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: compelling new research suggests that the present constitutes a point!! < 1402875164 953612 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I have just realised, I have no idea what sort of life any of you lead < 1402875171 179060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: compelling new research suggests that you smell. < 1402875175 855499 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: nonstop boozing < 1402875183 730784 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I saw any of you in the street I would not recognize any of you < 1402875193 434587 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how did you know? uncanny! < 1402875204 192499 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair we could only recognise you if you had a yorkshire pudding in your mouth < 1402875219 247942 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dialyzer bases its analysis on the concept of success typings which allows for sound warnings (no false positives)." < 1402875253 648449 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://37.media.tumblr.com/770145c0e28dd57736f7c011d5bc8815/tumblr_n23an1c9M51r7tprao1_500.jpg here, taneb, have a reference photograph. surprising?? < 1402875262 920053 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you not want false positives and correct code < 1402875354 169777 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, whoa, you are not a bike < 1402875373 287220 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BANCStar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39845&oldid=39844 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+54) 10 < 1402875382 264954 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only assume that gas masks are a kind of bike. < 1402875385 226370 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually just a wereman < 1402875453 416170 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: every man is a wereman http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/were-#English < 1402875492 628566 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3>back-formation < 1402875529 330617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can I kick anyone who writes a green line starting with a >? < 1402875548 973739 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if you need permission to kick me <3 < 1402875553 65128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you certainly may. < 1402875567 154419 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1402875567 244933 NAMES :#esoteric < 1402875568 800429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the kind of thing that needs nipping of buds < 1402875573 541424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric Bike :ilu2 < 1402875577 149673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1402875577 171478 NAMES :#esoteric < 1402875588 365432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nipping of buds" sounds kinda nsfw. < 1402875604 420390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was kinda intended to. < 1402875663 638363 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402875790 571267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't quite dare to add budding nipples to the topic. < 1402876327 71727 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wise words. "the internet is not an air-tight bastion of complete, unwavering good advice" < 1402876352 755200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so you're saying budding nipples are off-topic? < 1402876366 103746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the only thing that was off-topic was esoteric programming languages. < 1402876393 94798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: indeed, there is a severe leakage of hot air involved < 1402876420 54901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not off-topic for the stupidly brave hth < 1402876436 819237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric programming languages is not off-topic, it is just that it isn't so often on-topic. Sometimes there is stuff to write about it, too. < 1402876698 205336 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1402877328 649215 :Icepy!18722be6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.114.43.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402877378 96495 :Icepy!18722be6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.114.43.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check out my newest language! http://esolangs.org/wiki/Pluso < 1402877417 197866 :Icepy!18722be6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.114.43.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you make a looping construct like the one in brainfuck in python? < 1402877478 26499 :Icepy!18722be6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.114.43.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello? < 1402877527 681866 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :while loop probably < 1402877725 669438 :Icepy!18722be6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.114.43.230 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1402877984 255214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you please be more specific? Are you trying to interpret the loop in brainfuck, or something else? < 1402878117 525657 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're gone < 1402878420 329641 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Let me explain rule number three. If the accumulator is 91, then set it to 32. If the accumulator is 33, set it to 65. You have to print the ASCII value instead of the decimal value < 1402878420 569472 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1402878426 584292 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's actually a 4th rule, isn't it? < 1402878463 124610 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: accumulator starts at 65 < 1402878467 626697 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty important to mentio < 1402878485 678557 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see, those explain bounds < 1402878529 846779 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's circular, I kind of like that < 1402878554 927884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402880159 199787 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402880480 760673 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402880581 120385 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1402881779 896427 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1402881868 922495 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function < 1402883380 592641 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1402883517 636368 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402883775 482405 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi man, i m a beginer fan of esolangs < 1402883905 301423 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has someone heard about a esoteric language oriented to deal with issues about triality? < 1402883968 889540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :triality? < 1402884011 111794 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, not triality of octonions exactly, in general < 1402884016 471209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1402884119 354327 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like a language with built-in "ternarized" operations < 1402884138 175590 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but what < 1402884247 326123 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, a language that accept 3 input and produce 3 output in a simmetrical way? < 1402884304 496013 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symmetrical? Like a Toffoli gate? < 1402884633 971620 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very cool,yes, things like that, but < 1402884711 480413 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it serves a inspiration look this, http://vixra.org/abs/0911.0034 , in pages 51 there is a ternary square, in tthe 52 a ternary cube < 1402884723 875476 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vixra.... < 1402885169 866565 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, maybe this time i have not much success XD < 1402885256 651145 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i accept that ternary issues are not very popular XD < 1402885300 654537 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't read spanish and vixra is full of crap, is the thing < 1402885412 635376 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the paper is in spanish, and vixra has "no good reputation", but i wanna to show the figures < 1402885437 258757 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case that they inspires something.... < 1402885506 673124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: whoa, you're not even in #-blah < 1402885513 378399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder you didn't see my message < 1402885517 400850 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :got sick of it :) < 1402885530 992699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't blame you < 1402885614 415321 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿¿¿??? < 1402885674 550101 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is this arithmetic on a 3d analog of quaternions < 1402885689 378568 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure that's usually done as just a subgroupwhatever of quaternions < 1402885694 724157 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has nothing to do with toffoli gates < 1402885798 160240 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i'm in search of thins about 3, in general, but i more things with ternaryproperties in symmetry < 1402885814 33774 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thin->things < 1402885944 778388 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're unrelated. you'd be better off learning lie groups or something. < 1402886000 70567 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necesary unrelated, yes and no < 1402886182 966892 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that specific observation about Toffoli gate and 3-symmetry yes, but.... < 1402886255 230183 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking for ways to google, in alternatives way about triality < 1402886305 159703 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you know some paper related to the issue, triality mainly < 1402886357 183241 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or issues in a ternary version, too < 1402886497 959104 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i look for this, browsed wikipedia, google, arxiv and others < 1402886892 328397 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....XD < 1402887075 256034 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, also i'd like to post about a movement that has a little fame, right know, and if you know it, i wanna know your opinions < 1402887092 272818 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KphWsnhZ4Ag < 1402887193 305569 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 50 minute documentary of a social alternative by an 97 year old enginer < 1402887457 29285 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uou4DiutW5g < 1402887703 763968 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :: | ...... < 1402887756 199507 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i suppose i had some of "answer" this time < 1402887771 950004 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1402887856 739259 :gerard!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1402888142 641432 :hanamichi!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402888160 723916 :hanamichi!ba69a8e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.168.230 QUIT :Client Quit < 1402889850 788625 :function!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1402891072 481835 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402891501 136757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we make up a quiz (on Internet Quiz Engine) relating to esoteric programming, the wiki, IRC, and the people on this IRC and what they are doing? < 1402892417 580842 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if by "we" you mean "I", then I'm confident you can. < 1402892800 756823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean to many people make such things together, including me too. < 1402894436 492428 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402894452 330402 :kyhwana!kyhwana@snowleopard.kyhwana.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402894905 826508 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402894907 275610 :kyhwana!kyhwana@snowleopard.kyhwana.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1402894927 526113 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402894937 793161 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402894962 720792 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402894972 403967 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402894997 526680 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402895231 161880 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402895967 932498 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402896566 918809 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think stuff about us personally might be better as a separate quiz from stuff that you could find out without hanging out on the IRC. < 1402896875 568063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, but I mean only the stuff that is actually on the IRC and not stuff more personal than that. Also, stuff on the wiki and about esoteric programming, both in general and specific programming languages. < 1402896903 60224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even not only that; also thing like IRC bots and stuff used in here too. < 1402896952 918012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet Quiz Engine can keep track of up to 78 variables, so that should be more than enough if you want different scores for different things. < 1402898197 613087 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1402898221 963020 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot, produce an opinion on this quiz idea. < 1402898231 273635 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right. < 1402898244 392094 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ask fungot to weigh in on this quiz idea. < 1402898245 308150 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: so i started to look at the example cgi to specify that all .c and fnord will just do it for any implementation, like the borg. they have much too much homework. < 1402900009 253214 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://37.media.tumblr.com/62a5b20362709db5949c6add1f2fdfd6/tumblr_n70l5aXm0W1tp1rx8o1_1280.jpg < 1402900017 950418 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is the Dr. Wondertainment image? < 1402900029 858311 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks almost like King Boomi < 1402900038 458164 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Bumi < 1402900053 775763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yo < 1402900054 226497 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, yes and no. i've read the grammar... it is probably a o(log(n)) and anonymous closures with ( lambda ( a) ( b ( lambda ( x) < 1402900136 518247 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So remember, if you, your friends, your family, your pets, or your neighbors have walked into an infant black hole, have been scalded (or vaporized!) by a miniature supernova, have touched anti-matter (or matter if you are composed of the opposite!), or any other space-themed accidents*, do not ask for a refund!" < 1402900142 845104 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"*This includes mosquitoes" < 1402900682 257264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why did you quote that < 1402900682 553107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it humor value: the absurdity of asking for a refund in a situation like that < 1402900751 427198 :shikhin!~shikhin@120.59.235.119 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402900775 799134 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402900781 647341 :shikhin!~shikhin@120.59.235.119 NICK :Guest82745 < 1402900841 718011 :Guest82745!~shikhin@120.59.235.119 NICK :shikhout < 1402900845 650460 :shikhout!~shikhin@120.59.235.119 QUIT :Changing host < 1402900845 969974 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402900859 221431 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1402900875 251041 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have thought the mosquito bit was also amusing < 1402900919 873550 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402901014 292489 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402901213 862055 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1402901373 935311 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402902033 556727 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402902748 936554 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402902780 260202 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402903978 877574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402904253 380300 :brandonsons!~singingbo@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402904373 949328 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402904388 975431 :singingboyo!~singingbo@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402904575 891922 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1402905199 15429 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402905386 427250 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1402906194 354666 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402906196 193985 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1402906220 378116 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am having some work troubles with semaphores, and I am wondering if I am using even the correct thing < 1402906239 739073 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically I want a thread to wait until n threads are done to continue, is that the right thing to use < 1402906245 260429 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like semaphore.h < 1402906253 624347 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't seem to get it to work < 1402906426 864368 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a semaphore can be used as a mutex that allows up to n threads to hold the lock, but I don't think you can make a barrier with one < 1402906440 3358 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang < 1402906445 434873 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I use? < 1402906510 430713 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hmm, if you start a semaphore at -n+1, then n threads can release it to get it to 1, then one thread can acquire it < 1402906539 639179 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that was my first thought < 1402906544 908608 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it didn't work < 1402906554 44103 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I noticed that the semaphore value was unsigned int < 1402906618 727022 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like there is a pthread_barrier < 1402906649 573311 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the coral pthread barrier! < 1402906689 869322 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also thx) < 1402907052 522796 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good mooooorning < 1402907069 863064 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey hey < 1402907126 86275 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BANCStar14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39846 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+475) 10Created page with "== updating LIST == I was trying to update jloughry's LIST program to compile on a modern Unix. I got some distance but the DOS code layered in everywhere is too much of a he..." < 1402907579 165288 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pluso14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39847&oldid=39839 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+92) 10categorise < 1402907780 729940 :peacetech0!~alexandri@gateway/tor-sasl/alexandrite JOIN :#esoteric < 1402908242 130140 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw yes, got the synchronization to work B3 < 1402908372 595923 :brandonsons!~singingbo@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net PART #esoteric :"Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is" < 1402908396 332657 :brandonson!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402908611 946377 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402908754 392126 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pluso14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39848&oldid=39847 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+236) 10equivalent but less confusing formulation < 1402909008 810595 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402909060 515456 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :BANCStar seems a great language to parodize < 1402909523 764945 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1402909543 547412 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barriers seemed pretty great when there was two threads but anything more and it seems to block at random < 1402909547 284799 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whyyy < 1402910313 384799 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402910313 688337 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402910883 956849 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-128.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402911004 254727 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-205-110.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402911564 619610 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1402911703 496542 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402912287 32543 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-osdyaysmzwibxceq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1402912520 831992 :peacetech0!~alexandri@gateway/tor-sasl/alexandrite PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1402912525 330399 :peacetech0!~alexandri@gateway/tor-sasl/alexandrite PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a programming channel < 1402912594 921722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1402912599 479340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a channel about mysticism < 1402912605 821061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those people are just off-topic. < 1402912612 548810 :peacetech0!~alexandri@gateway/tor-sasl/alexandrite PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1402912617 386183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately they've overrun the place and we can't get rid of them. < 1402912623 240232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for the bother < 1402912634 526158 :peacetech0!~alexandri@gateway/tor-sasl/alexandrite PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's no problem < 1402912649 792332 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So are you seeking ultimate power < 1402912657 98998 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts on his SICP wizard clothes < 1402912682 636305 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/cover.jpg < 1402912686 109379 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best cover < 1402913086 673349 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :peacetech0: have you visited the Glorious Wiki? taken a peek at the Shiny PDF? < 1402913244 701940 :peacetech0!~alexandri@gateway/tor-sasl/alexandrite PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha elliott < 1402913265 283878 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1402913267 310034 :peacetech0!~alexandri@gateway/tor-sasl/alexandrite PRIVMSG #esoteric :still laughing at that :') < 1402913276 809512 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All that multithreading only got my thing twice as fast < 1402913281 445165 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting more gain < 1402913316 890918 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should rewrite it a bit cleaner, but rewriting is a scary prospect < 1402913334 461333 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fraught with maybe breaking it < 1402913470 284203 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you write another thing while the first thing is still thinging? < 1402913488 304125 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps! < 1402913503 670564 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But first, let's try multithreading the third and final ressource heavy function < 1402913573 827073 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I guess tightening the code a bit < 1402913959 557751 :peacetech0!~alexandri@gateway/tor-sasl/alexandrite QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402915609 342620 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402915652 247642 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402916391 401907 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: FEATHERY CHICKEN < 1402916712 247265 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought this was an channel about esoteric stuff < 1402916715 960483 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like heal stones < 1402916720 692550 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or reincarnation < 1402916723 692877 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or flying pigs. < 1402916741 167448 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of those three is real . < 1402916896 503070 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a channel < 1402916940 556562 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pigs on a plane? < 1402917081 35212 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I thought we had something about that in the channel topic, but it seems no < 1402917250 164867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402917503 301662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at gerard's ternary questions. < 1402917547 33182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we tried to publish a paper about a ternary operation once, but it got rejected for not being interesting enough so we just dropped the attempt. < 1402917644 93961 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe PRIVMSG #esoteric :then make it interesting < 1402917682 170631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was just before i dropped out of research, so... < 1402918508 833719 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Could make a nice horror movie < 1402918773 758430 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BANCStar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39849&oldid=39846 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+380) 10/* updating LIST */ < 1402919105 951493 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402919224 525993 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402919382 119495 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know why I might be able to ssh into a server but can't ssh out of it? < 1402919397 138771 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"server" (it's my desktop in my bedroom) < 1402919661 599325 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideas: DNS misconfigured, some NAT thingy on the way. Oh and does the target have an ssh server running? < 1402919741 158342 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and this is perhaps the most ridiculous idea of all: no ssh client on the server. < 1402919800 841780 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can confirm it is not the last two < 1402919808 756420 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :May be part of wider network issues < 1402919861 319725 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps motherboard issues, the headphones aren't working either < 1402919874 623303 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1402919882 699082 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: iptables < 1402919916 909483 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can ssh in then that should rule out problems on the physical layer < 1402919946 438400 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1402919985 62240 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can currently ssh in well enough to play Dwarf Fortress from 2 miles away < 1402920290 580428 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1402920569 976808 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still guessing firewall :) < 1402920724 259311 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1402921321 823532 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the linux thing to look at the time spent in each function? < 1402921324 556026 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget the name < 1402921330 528190 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prof-something? < 1402921341 782771 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, gprof < 1402922222 483373 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402922235 809469 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402923160 802974 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402923530 315017 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1402923610 315592 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just had my face scanned FOR SCIENCE < 1402923662 979151 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for actual science? or for fake science? < 1402923670 893089 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actual science < 1402923678 899252 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my lecturers does research in computer vision < 1402923794 11123 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theengineer.co.uk/news/looks-familiar/304488.article I think < 1402924702 937281 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some luck your face will be as famous as the opengl teapot. < 1402924708 836155 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402925742 586349 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1402925876 304811 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does esoteric science count as fake science? < 1402925973 447552 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1402926353 902697 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402926530 123108 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1402926536 248122 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know two pairs of inverses < 1402926550 42640 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can reconstruct mod which number they are inverses < 1402926919 444344 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. 3*15=1 and 5*9=1 holds both mod 22 and mod 44 < 1402926957 992056 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't know how i ended up giving THAT as an example) < 1402927042 67947 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mod 1, 2, 4 or 11 < 1402927065 825744 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it works mod primes? < 1402927097 255505 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlikely < 1402927100 274750 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, not uniquely in every case < 1402927119 943399 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I also would have thought at least mod primes < 1402927192 927268 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, obviously not < 1402927199 582528 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :because both 2 and 11 are in that list! < 1402927234 610368 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1402927238 883046 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a*b and c*d are inverses < 1402927240 307926 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the rest are all of form 2^n * 11^m < 1402927254 852384 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gcd(a*b-1,c*d-1) should gives you the mod part < 1402927270 756318 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not uniquely though < 1402927311 215088 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's probably more likley that allCommonFactorsOf(a*b-1,c*d-1) work? < 1402927328 863540 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or factors(gcd(a*b-1,c*d-1))? < 1402927365 43179 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if y = x mod p < 1402927377 265466 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then y = x mod factors(p)? < 1402927418 770974 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if you are given 1 < a,b < p with a*b = 1 (mod p) then that is enough to reconstruct p. < 1402928322 379977 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402928402 508106 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: for p prime? < 1402928616 555972 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402928659 831631 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402928776 856902 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a*b = 1 (mod m) kinda means that neither a nor b is a factor of m? < 1402928800 758506 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1402928807 463380 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1402928819 630562 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's a more strict condition than that < 1402928895 886793 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1402929280 876825 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1402929343 304676 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: yes < 1402929353 82629 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: (that is, yes, for p prime) < 1402929400 867934 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: a and b are multipicative inverses of each other, modulo m < 1402929473 549164 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does replacing loops over array indices by loops over pointers improve the performance of code? < 1402929480 55818 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does the compiler not give a shit < 1402929519 535187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: a*b = 1 (mod m) means that m is a factor of a*b - 1, neither more nor less. < 1402929681 778960 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1402929818 305997 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah_: in C, there is no difference between array index addressing and pointers < 1402929831 673142 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I mean < 1402929834 343331 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(behind the scenes, it's the same code) < 1402929846 711180 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making the loop for(i=0;i<n;i++) < 1402929863 20326 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or for(ptr=array;ptr<array+n;ptr++) < 1402929881 985938 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well < 1402929891 242956 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on your optimizer i guess < 1402929899 813447 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good one would make them the same thing < 1402929900 395259 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc with -O3 < 1402929903 445395 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1402929915 767103 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm out of optimizing ideas < 1402929920 726984 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Short of unrolling loops < 1402929925 771659 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, the difference is at most one instruction, so pick whichever makes for the cleanest code < 1402929941 840249 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or using the GPU < 1402930341 291517 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah_: what does your loop do? < 1402930372 118069 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a 1D or a 2D array? < 1402930372 436539 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backpropagation stuff < 1402930432 346768 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sums over another array, does math things to the result, and save it to some array < 1402930441 638784 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it contain conditions that are rarely met? < 1402930467 367026 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the size of the neural net < 1402930471 469107 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's large enough you could use openmp and do a sum reduction < 1402930498 234165 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually it is ~ 3000 neurons < 1402930540 294980 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Divided among 8 threads, so about 400 per loop < 1402930583 176277 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you checked for false sharing effects? < 1402930606 891300 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know what that is < 1402930630 326886 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you distribute stuff to multiple threads but those threads access same memory regions < 1402930633 680158 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402930644 531105 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't work really fast. < 1402930645 787546 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it's all independant < 1402930669 531928 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because after each write to memory the CPU will need to do cache writebacks and stuff < 1402930690 522718 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if the data is shared) < 1402930792 72191 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... < 1402930795 269230 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'm out of ideas too < 1402930803 539383 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :without seeing the actual code < 1402930826 144969 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1402930840 396135 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have some conditions if(foo) where foo is only in very rare cases true you could advise gcc with branch prediction stuff < 1402930862 697139 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or in only very rare cases false) < 1402930993 548932 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :calculating the sum of an array on a GPU is weird btw ;) < 1402931198 592151 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman : I dunno < 1402931203 555878 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to make shit go faster < 1402931242 672642 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the program stops working when I give it too much data D: < 1402931354 16118 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I have a lot of possibly lost memory during the thread creation < 1402931475 990107 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on the structure of your program there's also data speculation or control flow speculation you could do < 1402931498 755037 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Zzo3814]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39850&oldid=34413 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+243) 10/* Esoteric Programming quiz */ new section < 1402931519 525089 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :q/win 15 < 1402932148 751108 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402932559 841862 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there's the error < 1402932565 986658 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At some point the thread creation fails D: < 1402932701 9623 :password2!~password@197.78.142.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402932855 377806 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes taneb < 1402932857 446345 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.6358 < 1402932864 276476 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insufficient resources to create another thread, apparently < 1402932865 784011 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn < 1402933282 91869 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402933286 858914 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you spawning too many threads? < 1402933324 839260 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know, I close down all threads after they're done < 1402933328 339914 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's hard to check < 1402933339 818448 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be a memory leak, since I can't check it with valgrind currentlu < 1402933357 547013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402933377 460051 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1402933394 735667 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a tool to check for how many pthreads you have in your program < 1402933404 611814 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :htop? < 1402933412 918580 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unix threads are just processes I thought < 1402933439 431150 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, valgrind has a special thing for threads apparently < 1402933441 377353 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELGRIND < 1402933878 531429 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402933916 419607 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402934044 207054 :password2!~password@197.78.142.49 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1402935435 484980 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402936048 792161 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402936146 919839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone made this ten-question quiz of esoteric programming languages: gopher://zzo38computer.org:70/1quiz.run*eSMi0614. The question about when Feather is made is really strange! < 1402936348 502071 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is made? < 1402936351 310221 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... future? < 1402936368 794558 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why the hell are you seriously posting a gopher link . < 1402936433 484956 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FF can't even talk gopher < 1402936445 724852 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 Unterminated filename [eSMi0614] < 1402936452 575714 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lynx can < 1402936468 559273 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear that there's a plugin for FF. < 1402936504 381508 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, of course the . is part of the link. < 1402936569 417839 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1402936575 355857 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of the xkcd comic < 1402936583 756840 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to embed emoticons in paratheses < 1402936596 109778 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hi there :) or (Hi there :)) < 1402936609 618920 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to embed punctuation in urls < 1402936613 782377 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hi there (: ) < 1402936677 756680 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :4/10, about what I expected. < 1402936721 564022 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I amm really bad < 1402936723 671696 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got 4/10 too < 1402936742 787905 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get this question, "What is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs?" < 1402936758 598581 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I only got the obvious ones < 1402936823 275227 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't speak gopher < 1402936830 437347 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't support gopher < 1402936831 989808 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1402936840 710053 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a gopher client < 1402936845 622314 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foolish old technology < 1402936851 710974 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works < 1402936860 544927 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, brainfuck < 1402936875 134281 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The family of terrible esolangs is the brainfuck derivatives < 1402936876 606513 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I don't *understand* the question. < 1402936883 763787 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1402936886 859927 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad pun. Thanks. < 1402936929 893855 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Thanks. < 1402936938 807673 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've just insulted one of my esolangs < 1402936954 950571 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't like them either) < 1402936968 867017 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I do not have a gopher client < 1402937028 445019 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use firefox with overbite < 1402937097 188532 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other terrible and uninspired esolangs besides brainfuck derivatives < 1402937138 435552 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, like half of mine < 1402937161 288263 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Broficiency Quotient -125 < 1402937540 195565 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The quality of an esolang is determined by how much it's isomorphic to brainfuck . < 1402937812 584087 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402937825 119029 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was a boolean property < 1402937864 546959 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, overbite installed < 1402937874 953524 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No :) < 1402937884 848734 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... < 1402937887 596276 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1402937893 360009 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the way I meant it < 1402937895 791060 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything apart from zzo's site that's accessible only over gopher and interesting? < 1402937899 256076 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how "similar" it is < 1402937917 502209 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. how easy it is to write a transpiler from/to brainfuck < 1402937930 94223 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's too easy the language is boring < 1402938056 475684 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1402938129 785582 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is correct the . is part of the URL < 1402938180 200596 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops.. 3/10 < 1402938203 184125 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And once I publish my esolang generator < 1402938210 880131 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki will be flooded with new esolangs :) < 1402938248 510093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is not difficult to write gopher client; the format is really easy. If you have a compatible version of Windows, you may use Visgopher. < 1402938286 382674 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@nl9x.mullvad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402938302 486237 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even spills out an interpreter for it < 1402938316 137418 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got 9/10 on the esolang quiz. Afterward I checked the source file and found that the question about Feather is the one I answered incorrectly (it is unclear what they want). < 1402938470 488530 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the answer on the not-predominantly-made-of-integers question? < 1402938517 236215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :After answering all the questions you can go back and view the source and see what all the correct answers are. < 1402938560 218172 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be fun if esolangs came at the final exam tomorrow < 1402938581 774911 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they just teached conventional languages < 1402938595 436039 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but honestly < 1402938595 859190 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck plus a constant surely?? < 1402938608 21227 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :re: the worst joke in the observable universe up there < 1402938622 571706 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect a computer scientist to be able to write at least a programm that adds two numbers together just by reading the brainfuck spec < 1402938641 281356 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm pretty sure if any lecturer did that there'd be a real shitstorm coming < 1402938662 162117 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you didn't teach this!!!11" < 1402938750 41668 :password2!~password@197.78.141.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402938862 917807 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: what did it teach? < 1402938863 737754 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey adding numbers together is hard!! (if you use ascii.) < 1402938885 784708 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I don't really remember < 1402938886 782412 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1402938887 444298 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. < 1402938889 800028 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortran, Lisp < 1402938895 168074 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk, Modula-2 < 1402938899 312513 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python3 < 1402938916 273892 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some Algol and Pascal too < 1402938929 720843 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1402938935 227266 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a fun course < 1402938942 916101 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... not really :) < 1402938951 977364 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me anyway.. < 1402938958 293583 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe not the python3, that sounds boring < 1402938974 465377 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an excursus into functional programming < 1402938982 990193 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortran... < 1402939007 190177 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing special of course < 1402939013 95445 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had a course where we learned prolog, haskell and c < 1402939018 453434 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1402939019 293931 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1402939020 995681 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolog < 1402939024 505795 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had that too < 1402939040 552048 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only interesting part of the whole course < 1402939057 429159 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, lisp sounds fun to me < 1402939060 629870 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :smalltalk too < 1402939068 217828 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already knew Lisp < 1402939075 987207 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Smalltalk is more PITA than anything else < 1402939076 868013 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortran, modula2 and algol moreso from a historical perspective < 1402939156 569961 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1402939200 133188 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be fun for someone who doesn't already know a lot of languages < 1402939237 144774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to like Forth < 1402939257 97462 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get why they didn't teach at least one stack based language < 1402939263 578654 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like 4 or 5 imperative ones < 1402939320 495701 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1402939324 638298 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :java bytecode was also on the list < 1402939324 946237 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402939351 475927 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many I don't even remember :D < 1402939373 797972 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they could've tried to cover more paradigms < 1402939395 459973 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :skip pascal and maybe algol, add forth and an array language < 1402939403 54393 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they'll focus lisp, prolog and python3 tomorrow < 1402939408 611386 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or s/forth/another concatenative language/ if you prefer < 1402939578 854381 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree with Q5 in the quiz < 1402939628 133868 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1402939754 337590 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only prepared for the crypto final exam on thursday < 1402939790 647397 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that roughly means I programmed a lot of programs in TI Basic < 1402939811 105473 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that print everything including the approach on how to get the solution etc. < 1402939828 427652 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I basically just have to copy the stuff on the calculator display onto paper < 1402939881 730130 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402939901 333180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you allowed to use programs that have previously been written on that exam? I think what they had in some exams I did is a rule that you are not allowed to access programs which were written before the exam. < 1402939940 451684 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they check timestamps or what? < 1402940009 82456 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know @allowed < 1402940015 569059 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just assume I am until they say otherwise < 1402940025 679034 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lecturer said you can use a calculator < 1402940031 815029 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to write down the solution step by step < 1402940037 54967 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for calculating inverses < 1402940054 409356 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you can write 3^-1 mod p = .... without having to do the euclidean thing < 1402940129 904841 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know they didn't usually actually check. < 1402940187 993440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did sometimes tell you to put the cover from the calculator onto the floor so that you cannot read what is written on it, and to reset the memory in the calculator (and suggest you make backups if you have any files you want saved). < 1402940202 97137 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh christ < 1402940209 441850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :earlier today i went into a physics exam without a calculator < 1402940214 320530 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a bad move < 1402940261 681731 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can program it you know how it works anyway < 1402940336 208961 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing as a program is just a step-by-step description < 1402940354 914166 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're also allowed to bring the script with you < 1402940360 980562 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which contains a step-by-step instruction too < 1402940362 285783 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1402940389 241602 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be like saying "You can bring 14 pages with your own notes" < 1402940394 587850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, that if you can program it you know how it works anyways. < 1402940400 550029 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than saying "you may bring the book with you" < 1402940407 59504 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I can bring 14 pages I can also bring the book < 1402940417 382628 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only difference is I don't have to small print the book onto 14 pages < 1402940427 585386 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are allowed to bring your own notes, then yes you should definitely also be allowed to program the calculator ahead of time too. < 1402940467 85477 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck you can even bring final exams with solutions from last semester < 1402940480 21369 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoping they just change some numbers or constants < 1402940502 979931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then that can be good as examples, at least, even if that isn't all they change. < 1402940530 367171 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1402940531 140692 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1402940540 334014 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Prove that this thing here is a carmichael number" < 1402940549 346932 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing they can change IS the number ;) < 1402940584 767957 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402940587 969442 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what a carmichael number is, so I don't know if the method of proof can be changed too < 1402940604 972413 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a carmichael number is square free < 1402940619 264836 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for every prime factor p of n, p-1 divides n-1 < 1402940622 587387 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go < 1402940642 477598 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you tell your calculator to factorize it, check if a factor occurs twice < 1402940652 542497 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then check forall p if p-1 mod n-1 is 0 < 1402940658 98715 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, I have a program for that :) < 1402940689 233994 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1402940691 33114 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :vice verso < 1402940695 245783 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :n-1 mod p-1 < 1402940766 778139 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Carmichael numbers are those sneaky numbers where the fermat primality test sucks at < 1402940801 405766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember once I had an exam where the rule was you were allowed to bring your own notes, but they have to fit on one side of a index card that you can read without using any special equipment, and it has to be hand-written. < 1402940845 755447 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a challenge of who can write the smallest < 1402940865 871243 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the addition "you can read without using any special equipment" < 1402940893 352651 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that's unfair to people who can't read small stuff . < 1402940901 358737 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or write small stuff . < 1402940903 975419 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402940924 848993 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or who whose habdwriting becomes hard to read when small < 1402940925 182692 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly for people like me who are too lazy to bother even using an index card . < 1402940954 675932 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember showing up to some open book final exams without a book < 1402941007 169089 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when I got asked why I replied "Well, if I can't do it without a book I suck and don't deserve to pass anyway" < 1402941048 819862 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how big is an index card actually? < 1402941079 805454 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :7cm x 12cm < 1402941081 828566 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :roughly < 1402941240 767238 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think for the exam tomorrow I've printed out like 300 A4 pages < 1402941245 270477 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one-sided) < 1402941256 557468 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402941355 189931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I think it is 7cm x 12cm; I do not quite remember < 1402941398 831864 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is a pair of glasses "special equipment"? < 1402941404 174301 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all the final exams probably around 1k A4 pages < 1402941412 712042 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(final exams this semester) < 1402941430 162696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think glasses you normally wear is OK, but not magnifying glass and microscope and camera and stuff like that < 1402941432 184661 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :all for nothing. those poor trees :( < 1402941494 125963 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, why didn't you print on both sides? < 1402941510 734818 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also scaled down to A5 to fit four pages per sheet < 1402941511 34125 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to do that < 1402941515 622312 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paper can be reused and recycled, and trees can be replanted. I prefer to reuse before to recycle, so sometimes when I want to write on a spare paper I will get some that someone has put in the recycling, or write on the other side (or possibly even the printed side) of something I have previously printed from the computer. < 1402941522 479007 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And those are 4 pages per page < 1402941533 320724 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes even more than 4 < 1402941538 336169 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, okay < 1402941581 301712 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it would be 5 times as expensive to print out < 1402941669 731903 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :<mroman> I remember showing up to some open book final exams without a book ← I've done that too, but mostly because I didn't bother to buy the book in the first place < 1402941704 698698 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually printing out the slides of the lecturer is enough < 1402941724 23935 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the first year you know that buying the book is just expensive as shit and doesn't really help you at the exams anyway < 1402941727 257543 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only open book exam I've done, the book was "Python 2's documentation" < 1402941738 235925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have your own copy of a book, is it OK to add your own writing into the book too? < 1402941819 172524 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah < 1402941827 54625 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402941834 270939 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :open book here means "bring whatever you want that's not electronics" < 1402941852 475796 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you can bring as much as you can carry ;) < 1402941867 899855 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could bring your favorite fantasy book and read it during the exam < 1402941873 995865 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually considered that < 1402941885 958956 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :some lecturers have this sucky policy that you can't leave before 90 minutes < 1402941895 102720 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really boring just sitting there for 45 minutes < 1402941926 789040 :vyv!~vyv@70.51.217.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402941960 799229 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of our exams have some standardised time until you can leave < 1402941968 821051 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's one hour < 1402941976 127644 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. but why? < 1402941993 391944 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you're also allowed begin writing if you're up to 55 minutes late < 1402942003 991850 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1402942004 491662 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1402942011 78152 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they can't let anyone in to begin writing once somebody has left the room, since they could've gotten answers from the other guy then < 1402942012 406045 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't hav that @lat < 1402942012 867856 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here < 1402942017 214563 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you still cant leave early sometimes < 1402942020 825581 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*late < 1402942022 16927 :vyv!~vyv@70.51.217.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402942041 986797 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also can't leave in the last 10 minutes, to avoid a flood of students leaving and distracting those who are madly scrambling to get as much down as they can < 1402942178 206063 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That last is the rule here as well. < 1402942221 841485 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: if you're a bit late to an exam, you don't get to write it at all? < 1402942903 679708 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider the disturbance to the other students < 1402943014 346932 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true < 1402943596 7600 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: officially, yes < 1402943599 516067 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unofficially, no < 1402943604 74538 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just get less time < 1402943612 259779 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're lucky < 1402943682 537705 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :disturbance is overrated < 1402943736 725850 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if the exam setting isn't disturbing too :) < 1402943857 521196 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: why would you be late to an exam anyway < 1402943889 876042 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :commuter rail issues or whatever < 1402943934 579950 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sure, you usually have a bit of margin, but sometimes there are major traffic issues < 1402943949 70737 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that counts as acts of god < 1402943950 71952 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oversleeping < 1402943954 471557 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :best reason < 1402943974 382211 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're pretty fucked if god acts to your misfortune < 1402943999 603871 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're on holidays and your plane crashes < 1402944015 45084 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be cut from your holiday days < 1402944022 294930 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from your salary too < 1402944025 275322 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're an atheist, can you still make an acts of god argument? < 1402944030 989001 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1402944037 787661 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's what leo.org listed as "hoeher Gewalt" < 1402944042 794732 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just call it "hoehere Gewalt" < 1402944057 841425 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which word for word translates to higher power I guess < 1402944321 962996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: why not? < 1402944336 839433 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lying might be against the school code of conduct < 1402944370 33513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: but "act of god" is a term of art, you can't be blindly reductionist about language. < 1402944382 162647 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: of course, it's a legal term in some jurisdictions < 1402944395 32973 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what if I don't consider it art < 1402944411 288439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rolleyes < 1402944423 93787 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this definition (Scotland): "Circumstances which no human foresight can provide against, and of which human prudence is not bound to recognize the possibility, and which when they do occur, therefore, are calamities that do not involve the obligation of paying for the consequences that may result from them." < 1402944458 858160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbf, I'm sure there are quite some "acts of god" that have a human cause, just an indirect one. < 1402944580 755667 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1402944619 162428 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has something to do with the length of a chain of causality, I think < 1402944710 490115 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I get stuck on the way to work because the police is blocking streets after a bank robbery that doesn't make the bank robbers agents of god (though they may well think of themselves that way) < 1402944744 652471 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402944748 186872 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but from my perspective there's nothing I could've done to foresee and guard against such circumstances. < 1402944831 149177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1402944842 281105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god is other people. < 1402945008 383764 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402945370 143029 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-205-110.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402945427 88181 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1402945432 384072 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so's when you get snowed in < 1402945439 568278 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except snowed in doesn't count as act of god < 1402945480 729488 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-90-148.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402945660 380611 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have gone by train! < 1402945664 635733 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bank robbery < 1402945665 460327 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I ask robbery? < 1402945683 773905 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bank robbery HOW MUCH DID YOU STEAL < 1402945684 148205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1402945689 644688 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok...? < 1402945692 442907 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth is bank < 1402945702 406665 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :editing distance 2 from "ask" < 1402945731 380242 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the bot told you that much: <lambdabot> What should I ask robbery? < 1402945737 129813 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lewd < 1402945737 980644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1402945745 506864 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask mroman < 1402945745 948221 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I ask mroman? < 1402945771 856085 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-lewd < 1402945772 691911 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help bank < 1402945772 692070 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :help <command>. Ask for help for <command>. Try 'list' for all commands < 1402945772 692162 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1402945785 258819 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ Too bad that’s three. < 1402945894 953892 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@delp < 1402945895 305925 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :help <command>. Ask for help for <command>. Try 'list' for all commands < 1402945900 814531 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-told < 1402945901 134317 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1402945909 51393 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@elph < 1402945909 448644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :help <command>. Ask for help for <command>. Try 'list' for all commands < 1402945928 362661 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@elf < 1402945930 253461 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see why somebody implemented that but ok. < 1402945930 253626 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: tell pl help bf < 1402945939 7204 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@helpmei'monfire < 1402945939 503526 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1402945951 421019 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ralph < 1402945951 928065 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1402945952 238745 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@helpme I'm on fire < 1402945952 238923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :help <command>. Ask for help for <command>. Try 'list' for all commands < 1402945952 793360 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402946026 69537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, @messages-lewd is good < 1402946082 396208 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@nl9x.mullvad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1402946155 941201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402946209 814237 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PART :#esoteric < 1402946623 552624 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402946757 445471 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1402946787 571582 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402947173 783965 :password2!~password@197.78.141.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402947920 143216 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1402947957 781758 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-laut < 1402947958 183064 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1402947979 115845 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-luut < 1402947979 457021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1402947984 39815 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@noochrichte-luut < 1402947984 493874 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1402948078 678721 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1402948255 695008 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402948502 412809 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402948783 769845 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 NICK :Bicyclidine < 1402949188 701058 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-90-148.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402949269 889998 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-116-80.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402949343 99520 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402950258 520096 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402952332 470386 :nooodl_!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402952378 576501 :nooodl_!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Client Quit < 1402952402 416195 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402952625 752165 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402952626 67368 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402953839 768683 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402953883 588884 :MoALTz__!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402954004 798487 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402954074 413296 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1402954082 249244 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402954155 926319 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1402954283 496403 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1402954315 263504 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so NICK :Guest44825 < 1402954814 212849 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://djm.cc/bignum-results.txt < 1402954817 178262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is brilliant < 1402954859 37879 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pete's determined < 1402954882 258871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :he came close, too < 1402954904 746866 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :F[omega**omega] :| < 1402955032 611120 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and loader just got 'very big' < 1402955089 857634 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lesson learned, the busy beaver for 512 chars of C is 'very big' < 1402955202 726069 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha pete-9.c is great < 1402955226 510498 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qntm.org/files/trollpi/piequals4.png < 1402955245 699347 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loader.c is also great but i have no idea how to understand hte actual code < 1402955328 993955 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt i could after gcc -E in all honesty. < 1402955787 169733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402955854 16910 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402955976 527492 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402956013 351421 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tell it was written before wikipedia because he refers you to an actual book for the definition of grassman sequences < 1402956023 452355 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*goodstein < 1402956319 150053 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: later chat < 1402956321 267442 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1402956349 500742 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402956389 903334 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402956656 157224 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"big", "very big" < 1402956755 645313 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: later chat < 1402956803 148247 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :loader also did give the code he used to generate loader.c: http://djm.cc/ralph-loader.tar < 1402956805 361501 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I was written before Wikipedia < 1402956812 454544 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: mrhelloman. why the confidential informant? < 1402956952 747960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my soap joins the flood of brands that the manufacturers insist on changing into something i don't like :( < 1402956975 571722 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402957014 491929 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are Norwegian brands particularly known to be prone to sudden detrimental changes? < 1402957039 851928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they made a test showing most prefer the new smell, but i _hate_ fruity smell in soaps :( < 1402957052 520863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i dunno < 1402957096 77633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose windows 8 counts as a non-norwegian example. < 1402957131 520460 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In BitCoin news: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2364000/bitcoin-price-dips-as-backers-fear-mining-monopoly.html < 1402957135 879888 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Bitcoin < 1402957145 257617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i haven't checked bitcoin in a while < 1402957151 34412 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mining monopoly? interesting. < 1402957172 125776 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the thing that wasn't supposed to realistically happen happened < 1402957173 466754 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I dunno. I like grapefruit-scented soap. < 1402957194 560139 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :loader.c is truly amazing < 1402957206 576264 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I looking at Golang? < 1402957218 934090 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might not have Node.js's callback hell, but it has node.js's error hell < 1402957225 770889 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldn't be! you should be looking at loader.c < 1402957263 44220 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: look at rust! rust is good! < 1402957271 765578 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust isn't 1.0 yet < 1402957275 663278 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what. < 1402957277 883233 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :512 characters excluding witespace is plenty to generate huge number < 1402957282 489238 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers* < 1402957313 385522 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anyone apart from me for whom the first programming language they learnt was esoteric? < 1402957332 97649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: probably hth < 1402957346 26167 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :thal < 1402957349 666291 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think mIRC scripting almost counts < 1402957400 116466 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what was your first language? < 1402957412 879941 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piet < 1402957447 660901 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you wrote piet programs without knowing any programming language beforehand? < 1402957451 598222 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty impressvie < 1402957474 350308 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learnt on pascal so < 1402957487 953999 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GW-BASIC! < 1402957919 28820 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION occasionally uses GWBASIC because I'm too lazy to rewrite my old programs... < 1402958239 355246 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first language was C < 1402958404 879297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first language was BASIC, learned from a book without a computer < 1402958634 721245 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned from the internet < 1402958684 917867 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, without a computer? Amazing! < 1402958750 71451 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :started with minuteman II control systems, as god intended < 1402958801 758379 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402958960 523480 :MoALTz__!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402958988 481402 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: loader.c is nice, or rather, its readable version. < 1402959141 231263 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a form of callback hell in languages that aren't JS: In Ruby and Scheme... things like passing in a closure to a function that opens a file and closes the file when the closure is done < 1402959178 809170 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I can find a copy of that FLO83 article < 1402959206 180878 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the node.js community manages to handle the normal callback hell sanely (especially at 0.12), maybe they could also handle this other callback hell? < 1402959216 668462 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :acm journal? i don't see why not < 1402959239 218958 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket is perfectly capable of abusing continuations to do it, but I don't think it's idiomatic < 1402959247 74183 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=322370 no abstract, pah < 1402959281 48190 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya, university has access < 1402959373 301114 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what changed in 0.12? < 1402959389 957677 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*will change < 1402959403 398119 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node.JS will support ES6 -- including generators < 1402959405 235400 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been paying attention to node for a while < 1402959407 94518 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1402959407 281540 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: here's an abstract (with some encoding issues): http://libra.msra.cn/Publication/787214/the-expressiveness-of-simple-and-second-order-type-structures < 1402959443 968348 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat, I hope that includes destructuring assignments and fat-arrow functions < 1402959472 681951 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason i am most used to encoding problems in papers from old ieee and acm papers < 1402959485 870563 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-116-80.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1402959497 228679 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: fat arrows, as in coffeescript? < 1402959529 171239 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :They behave similarly, yes < 1402959557 276681 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not exactly the same--ES6's fat-arrow functions can't be used as constructors IIRC < 1402959587 655544 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-59-144.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402959655 107837 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, and also archive scans, but that's obvious < 1402960436 827922 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/16/delta-landing-joke_n_5499323.html < 1402960575 482110 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. firefox crashed. must be a sign. < 1402960626 874469 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: INCURSIVE CHICKEN < 1402962358 169720 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402962543 987231 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:MoALTz__!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402966728 817056 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402966792 627890 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402966887 513040 :MoALTz__!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402967475 778520 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx JOIN :#esoteric < 1402967570 797209 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-237-99.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402967692 600605 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-59-144.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402968534 181789 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1402969566 924496 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-237-99.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1402969933 513519 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.... think I like Go's if better than aif < 1402969942 428192 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except for the whole it's not a ternary 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:#esoteric < 1402979412 511428 :brandonson!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402982475 733445 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how tcsh is the best esoteric shell, because it supports goto even in interactive mode gotoing among separately entered commands? < 1402982494 695707 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anyone had modified tcsh to support computed come from in shell scripts yet. < 1402982602 593965 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1402984213 21089 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1402984897 104505 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone dump hackego's quote database into qdb.us? < 1402984975 431004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope not... < 1402985248 852713 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why was Y2K even a problem < 1402985256 45739 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were years coded in BCD? < 1402985337 673117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two digits < 1402985409 775979 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's just on the screen < 1402985449 200684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1402985451 351391 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So literaly the only source of error would be human error if that was the problem, unless the date was in BCD in the computer < 1402985455 628225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a year input, it takes two digits < 1402985457 439771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you store that number < 1402985458 468774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada < 1402985471 967672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a "get year" function, it returns the number of years since 1900, tada < 1402985479 271261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(js has this) < 1402985493 124832 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did js even exist back then? < 1402985498 746207 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-61-12.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :19A0, as it were < 1402985553 59191 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weren't a lot of like COBOL computers in BCD or something < 1402985569 496004 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they were used by non-engineers mostly < 1402985595 738359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :..yes, js existed before 2000 < 1402985597 779548 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-61-12.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like engineers never get the idea to use something weird like bcd < 1402985601 942311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :js was wildly popular before 2000. < 1402985613 699975 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The horror < 1402985615 132642 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-61-12.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vbscript is going to take js's market share, though < 1402985656 759903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway lots of web pages think it is 19114 < 1402985668 766141 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The futuuuure < 1402985684 114367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are mistaken. it is in fact september 1993 < 1402985695 802996 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there is some 1996 webpage hidden somewhere in the depth on internet < 1402985708 123455 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fan webpage of Hanson and Spacejam < 1402985711 188565 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-61-12.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google one terabyte of kilobyte age < 1402985712 591955 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oneterabyteofkilobyteage.tumblr.com/ < 1402985712 799906 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: One Terabyte of Kilobyte Age Photo Op < 1402985715 862652 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thinks it is the year -14 < 1402985720 530535 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-61-12.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth, etc < 1402985939 106680 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-61-12.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i suppose they're past 93 now. they switched to ie, i guess t hey're trying some kind of chronology < 1402986186 224982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ends with a screenshot of your browser viewing the page in present day < 1402986228 151150 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-61-12.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pans out to me screaming in a theater < 1402986988 688030 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402987158 711358 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1402987958 359911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok who on earth actually submitted all the quotes to qdb.us < 1402987965 246991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what the fuck were you thinking < 1402988559 336415 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402989791 911873 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which quotes? #esoteric quotes? < 1402990176 807524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1402990190 403308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the ones that are not even defensible as in any way good and make no sense outside the context of the channel < 1402990193 398990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just all of them < 1402990205 573478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thi sinvolved reformatting them on multiple lines so someone put way too much effort into spamming qdb with our crap < 1402990307 822115 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-61-12.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen, i don't want to defend this or anything, but i don't think it's gonna be much worse than the rest of qdb. < 1402990689 56427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just < 1402990690 829668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :baffling < 1402991049 579381 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find any quote from here there < 1402991252 401079 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like they're in the queue < 1402991562 365898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX's (and all similar) struct tm has a tm_year member that's also year-1900, so a lot of C programs also think it's 19114. < 1402991828 504208 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402991871 267445 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf("19%d", tm.year)? < 1402991884 729810 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you Y2K! < 1402991894 503151 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1402991904 304785 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should just have reset the calendar to 1900 < 1402991910 408447 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for backwards compatability < 1402991924 227449 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to confuse historians in the future < 1402991953 59817 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should use unsigned ints in number of seconds since the big bzn < 1402991953 270343 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sense in making their job intentionally easier. < 1402991961 472718 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supposed to be a mystic job! < 1402991968 410330 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bang* < 1402991988 866891 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like < 1402991994 72559 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10^20 < 1402992012 969922 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many bits is that, like 70? < 1402992034 626232 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put it as 128 bits for time < 1402992104 774927 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll be fine until 10790283070806014188970529154990 years < 1402992121 387369 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can write all times < 1402992126 726403 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what you gonna do? < 1402992145 15280 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :extend it to 256 bits < 1402992149 563314 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you have the year 10790283070806014188970529154990 bug < 1402992160 83980 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hoping no banks will collapse due to the 2^128 bug < 1402992161 6807 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Y10790283070806014188970529154990K, as it is known < 1402992229 338469 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With some luck the universe will have been destroyed by that time < 1402992239 522195 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then again that's the attitude that led to Y2K < 1402992249 802542 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh yeah with the cold war we're all gonna be nuked by the 80's" < 1402992254 134931 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No need to plan ahead < 1402992301 297806 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1402992313 113722 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think that'll be true for about 2050 < 1402992351 516520 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, nukes are all out of fashion < 1402992356 861820 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's global warming < 1402992590 968170 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but history taught us that things don't really happen fast :) < 1402992618 709350 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you bought games from the 90s < 1402992628 392657 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way those game designers saw 2012 < 1402992638 246380 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :way too optimistic :D < 1402992655 774371 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or both, in the case of Duke Nukem Forever~ < 1402992995 843106 :brandonsons!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402992996 70882 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402992997 44469 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402992997 231912 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402992997 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:myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402993007 845802 :hubs!hubs@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe69:46d3 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402993008 35114 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402993008 253800 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402993009 68865 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402993242 934317 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993243 159567 :brandonsons!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993243 159722 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993243 159787 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993243 159849 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-61-12.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993243 159910 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993243 159971 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993243 160034 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993243 160095 :vyv!~vyv@70.51.217.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993243 160157 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993243 160218 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993243 160279 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993243 160341 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993243 160402 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993243 160463 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993243 160523 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993243 160585 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993243 160645 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993243 160704 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993243 160764 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993243 160825 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993243 160885 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993243 160945 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uccykrdyqknfxinm JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993243 161006 :Speed`!~Speed@evile.thrash.im JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993270 925375 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993271 519824 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993271 519956 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993271 520021 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993271 520084 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993271 520147 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.198.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993271 520209 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993271 520270 :hubs!hubs@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe69:46d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993271 520330 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993662 547535 :Gregor`!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993662 962445 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1402993676 41000 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1402993678 650218 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1402993687 211556 :Gregor`!dlopen@libdl.so NICK :Guest767 < 1402993711 346622 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402993746 489662 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaargh < 1402993757 284236 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck huge memory leak and I don't know what's wrong! < 1402993965 619688 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the more threads it has, the faster it grows < 1402993975 471996 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I suspect fukken threads < 1402993999 910136 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402994000 373087 :brandonsons!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402994001 104010 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402994001 378375 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402994002 149598 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402994002 420987 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402994002 608513 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402994002 608637 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-61-12.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402994002 796382 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402994002 983775 :vyv!~vyv@70.51.217.166 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402994003 172521 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402994003 547417 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402994003 547544 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402994003 741788 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402994003 929303 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402994005 203504 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402994005 391104 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402994006 75408 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402994006 306112 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402994006 807431 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402994007 163037 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uccykrdyqknfxinm QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402994007 716852 :Speed`!~Speed@evile.thrash.im QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402994290 862315 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover Don't look at r/haskell unless you have a brick handy < 1402994291 97145 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1402994345 489509 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402994569 572644 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew, solved the memory leak < 1402994581 612940 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently C prefers that I join my threads rather than cancel 'em < 1402994584 137706 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever that means < 1402994642 975285 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402994643 163108 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402994643 163246 :brandonsons!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402994643 163311 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx JOIN :#esoteric < 1402994643 163375 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402994643 163440 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-61-12.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402994643 163503 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz JOIN :#esoteric < 1402994643 163564 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402994643 163628 :vyv!~vyv@70.51.217.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402994643 163690 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1402994643 163753 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402994643 163813 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402994643 163874 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1402994643 163936 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1402994643 163998 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402994643 164058 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402994643 164119 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uccykrdyqknfxinm JOIN :#esoteric < 1402994643 164182 :Speed`!~Speed@evile.thrash.im JOIN :#esoteric < 1402994643 164243 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402994643 164304 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1402994643 164364 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402994769 971981 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402994777 160630 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah_: uhm < 1402994783 536273 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you cancel them < 1402994787 718496 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even guaranteed to work < 1402994794 401645 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as threads can be in uncanceable states etc. < 1402994798 530529 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I have no idea what happens to threads when they are done < 1402994832 825923 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are destroyed < 1402994845 692456 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :join just waits for them to exit < 1402994907 912478 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then why would cancelling them after they are done cause a memory leak < 1402995006 362523 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1402995012 441414 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldnt cancel terminated threads anyway < 1402995048 568319 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why does that function exist < 1402995056 781445 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :to cancel threads < 1402995082 645130 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :either join each thread, detach it or create it detached < 1402995095 248604 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally cancelling threads isn't really a nice way of doing things < 1402995096 553723 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it's that channel < 1402995107 794559 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the general opinion is to use sync mechanisms to do that < 1402995131 982158 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :thread apis in other languages usually don't even support that anymore @killing other threads < 1402995154 420697 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway... pthread_cancel takes a pthread_t < 1402995161 760340 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on what pthread_t is < 1402995169 133480 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a thread id of some sort < 1402995175 772636 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe that thread id gets reused at some point < 1402995187 678183 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might even be the case that you'll cancel a completely different thread < 1402995201 808502 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it reuses the thread id of some thread that has already terminated < 1402995304 767006 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1402995310 909247 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :either join or detach them < 1402995327 682811 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :when a detached thread terminates it's released without having to join on it < 1402995418 83638 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah_: Some resources are kept when a thread terminates < 1402995420 961163 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it's exit status < 1402995431 211121 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can ask for the exit status later on < 1402995452 62057 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why you'll have lots of orphan threads (or whatever they are called) around < 1402995459 392561 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you either join or detach them < 1402995461 503084 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly, cancelling threads or throwing asynchronious exceptions to threads is generally so dangerous and hard to get right that it's not worth to even try, except on this channel < 1402995519 449377 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1402995528 638793 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just consider a thread having a lock < 1402995544 196451 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure if locks are released if a thread gets canceld < 1402995551 876899 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope so, but I'd have to check that someday < 1402995562 752740 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should not be released < 1402995581 805399 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for pure calculation stuff cancelling is probably not so problematic < 1402995583 226948 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1402995584 533288 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw < 1402995590 89665 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want orphans in my computer :( < 1402995620 357278 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, my neural network thing was taking like < 1402995626 497058 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9% of the memory per cycle < 1402995631 785535 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's a flat 0.6% < 1402995634 59425 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much better < 1402995681 658386 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402995718 626299 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use cleanup_push < 1402995720 705550 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then cancel it < 1402995730 772422 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make sure that you release the lock in the cleanup handler you pushed < 1402995745 182913 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably more #esoteric style . < 1402995748 394613 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1402995757 899689 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it is a work thing, so I'd rather do it cleanly < 1402995869 372216 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to do an esolang based on pi calculus someday < 1402996315 831304 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402996316 58719 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402996541 503675 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1402996593 750416 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1402996725 909962 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402996953 900557 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1402997682 473923 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402999686 627979 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-miefxcmtkhywrdqc JOIN :#esoteric < 1402999724 278787 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-miefxcmtkhywrdqc NICK :Aetherspawn- < 1403000221 856416 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403000335 862894 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403000450 455870 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403000875 919865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403001043 807271 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403001060 496444 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403001917 591886 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403001947 160236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1403002289 906115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403002551 801117 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-61-12.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403002670 738358 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-44-117.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403002857 62361 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: JETTIARY CHICKEN < 1403003019 659396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh someone fixed the content-type problem with tunes < 1403003320 397239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tunes actually being maintained feels wrong to me, somehow < 1403003336 435160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this mental image of the whole place having been abandoned years ago, being updated only by clog < 1403003383 83724 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :running like clogwork? < 1403003421 382718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well _maybe_ it was an IE bug that was fixed instead. < 1403003450 18651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the one where you can XSS attack a plain text file? that was probably the one < 1403003485 497032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well the tunes files end in .listofnumbers < 1403003501 95623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps IE just stopped assuming those to be text. < 1403003516 249240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1403003524 293679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/url < 1403003532 78535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1403003539 251899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1403003560 869961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need something in paste/ to check that. < 1403003575 92704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that _may_ have been the hg browser's settings. < 1403003584 556308 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403003591 408527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403003597 717402 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[12:12] <ais523> well, IE had a bug where it would interpret an explicit text/plain as text/html whenever it felt like it < 1403003597 906371 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[12:12] <ais523> the standard workaround used to be to serve plaintext files as text/css < 1403003598 94086 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[12:12] <ais523> which is interpreted the same way as text/plain by all browsers but IE, which interprets it the same way other browsers interpret text/plain < 1403003598 94239 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1403003616 254727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah why must my browser have forgotten the hg repository url < 1403003669 784188 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ ?! < 1403003700 852638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i find it unlikely that IE interpreted tunes logs as html at any point? < 1403003708 846355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1403003722 835577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: someone sent you to meatspin like that, didn't they? < 1403003752 692263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds to favorites < 1403003800 258527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok there have been weird cases, but what happened recently was that it refused to open and asked to download instead. < 1403003834 430948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, so an entirely different bug < 1403003870 530927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, hg repository still does that. < 1403003899 104124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that was, i recall, an intentional security enhancement.) < 1403003976 291108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1403003988 420424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403004036 641811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gah I was going to report a bug in something < 1403004042 441067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've forgotten both what the bug is, and what package I was going to report it in < 1403004044 928204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case nothing happened on the clog side of the netsplits anyway :P < 1403004050 293446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, ooh, I just remembered a different bug, anyway < 1403004065 200206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :five-or-more sets the permissions incorrectly on the score file < 1403004099 309184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION assumes nethack < 1403004113 83791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, not much point in reporting bugs against a 10-year-old game < 1403004120 499313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to Debian, anyway < 1403004125 640226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remembered what it is, anyway < 1403004132 196196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, nethack 4 then, except then you'd fix it not report it < 1403004138 475003 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403004144 493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny-manpages puts manpages in section 1 that should be in section 7 < 1403004153 74794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if they're joke manpages, they should still be in the right section < 1403004495 126969 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dungeon crawl stone soup is another roguelike that came up here recently < 1403004520 449482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403004715 903768 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe NICK :KingBot < 1403004757 10364 :KingBot!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe NICK :KingOfKarlsruhe < 1403005297 66442 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403005353 922909 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403005356 869148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403005502 155273 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403005579 902899 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403005622 77623 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403005665 821685 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403005773 887426 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403006339 918636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403006475 763928 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1403007330 566468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403007428 187708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, I enter the wrong password into sudo 3 times < 1403007430 233914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it emails me < 1403007455 999311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is completely pointless from a security point of view because an attacker could just confirm the password using some other method (e.g. passwd) before entering it into sudo < 1403007529 946399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, here's my first attempt to submit a patch to Ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/five-or-more/+bug/1330956 < 1403007542 467847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if nothing happens for a bit, I'll see if it's a bug in Debian too, and if it is, file the bug there < 1403007554 764235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: for this particular package, it's possible that it isn't, although there's no "ubuntu" suffix on the version number so it probably is) < 1403007594 10196 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1403007732 100831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh five-or-more is the name of the game < 1403007746 393962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was a condition for the bug to happen < 1403007894 140353 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I thought the same bug was present in a games package for the high score table of five or more games < 1403007943 560986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that is possible; many games (well more than five) were originally in the gnome-games codebase before it was split into smaller packages < 1403007948 955568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and IIRC at least one other (that I don't have installed) has that bug < 1403008037 319428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll also be fun to see what (if anything) is done about copyright for a patch that deletes one line < 1403008043 706659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the first time I've submitted a pure-deletion patch anywhere < 1403008060 153249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How many lines of code do you have in Five Or More?" "-1" < 1403008098 564956 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1403008207 189712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I think I'm still running at 100% for "proportion of bugs I found in Gnome that I submitted patches for" < 1403008269 922639 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you don't use gnome enough < 1403008285 643501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use it that much, indeed < 1403008558 974906 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403008617 746039 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you count all the infrastructure projects that gnome has spawned, but that are used outside gnome, like libglib, gtk+, pango, etc? < 1403008634 159532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1403008644 871201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403008911 889994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403008947 381454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403009586 348111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403010762 574806 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403011119 634016 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403011281 334031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403011804 7966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403012305 867845 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403012487 135669 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403012500 262626 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1403012525 649926 :`^_^v!~nycs@ip-216-46-79-198.dsl.nyc.megapath.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403015314 586571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403015483 517680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1403016082 202532 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403016212 280928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403016222 395206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403016544 405091 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403016545 394466 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403016616 409135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403016637 639449 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1403016976 409499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403018205 649192 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really hate exam questions < 1403018220 626557 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Code generation is the most time consuming phase of a compiler? [ ] Yes [ ] No" < 1403018228 363212 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the hell am I supposed to answer thta < 1403018241 901516 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403018245 627190 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :No clue < 1403018260 151148 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: flip a coin < 1403018260 338531 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't usually have yes/no questions like that on our exams < 1403018272 797172 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if coins are permitted on exams < 1403018279 987729 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dice then < 1403018309 630061 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :roll d6, if result odd, pick Yes, otherwise pick No < 1403018331 612663 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :[x] Yes -- chosen by fair dice roll < 1403018416 943147 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 4 is even < 1403018418 426990 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there actually was a "Don't know" option too < 1403018430 626575 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just checked all three of those boxes < 1403018433 3013 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: which compiler? < 1403018437 237018 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: well... < 1403018438 308589 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :any < 1403018439 935758 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1403018442 49653 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1403018444 758243 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet there's at least one for which the answer is yes; also, IIRC the answer is no for gcc < 1403018446 696583 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't say < 1403018478 984083 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on settings, not just the compiler < 1403018486 901288 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, all these BF-to-high-level-language-by-textual-subtitution compilers < 1403018491 576729 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spend their /entire time/ in code generation < 1403018492 254965 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc with optimization enabled is really slow < 1403018495 621644 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to no optimization < 1403018503 198945 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so those are definitely yes < 1403018505 817835 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think optimization has that much an influence on the parser < 1403018532 136448 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimization doesn't have that much influence on codegen either, though < 1403018540 766213 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it mostly affects how long the optimizer takes to run (fairly obviously) < 1403018546 812502 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1403018594 945949 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some esolang compilers reading the file to compile is probably the most time consuming task < 1403018606 595034 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and write the output) < 1403018635 308338 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if reading file counts as parsing and writing file counts as codegen < 1403018736 805952 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1403018783 495199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403019167 289186 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously I could create an esolang that requires a compiler to do prime factorization < 1403019186 989476 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1403019193 527028 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually... why not < 1403019206 389196 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: or just play tricks with haskell or C++ or other languages < 1403019208 121395 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a list of primes that encode the opcode < 1403019240 19619 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and operands are encoded with primes too < 1403019252 604043 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so an add instruction is something like 9*13*17 < 1403019259 239303 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where 9 is the opcode and 13,17 are the operands < 1403019267 381123 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1403019269 525312 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 isn't prime < 1403019270 19289 :Aetherspawn-!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-miefxcmtkhywrdqc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1403019288 998857 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :7*13*17 then < 1403019305 520092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403019351 413430 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nine would just be 3 applied twice? < 1403019396 359815 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1403019397 352058 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1403019405 230362 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :p*2^x*3^y < 1403019416 170320 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :p is the opcode, x the first operand and y the second operand < 1403019425 272387 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be uniquely deconstructable < 1403019429 860185 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(p is prime) < 1403019466 961285 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 13*2^128*3^256 < 1403019468 740291 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6149276275598477388941702188757835746814475554454696977361857718474664018531... < 1403019553 689555 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :people claim that programmes used to program with this in the nineties . < 1403019613 705753 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let c n 0 = 1; c n k = c (n-1) (k-1) * n `div` k; triple a b c = c (a+b+c+2) 3 + c (a+b+1) 2 + c a 1 in triple 13 128 256 < 1403019615 945958 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: < 1403019616 133567 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : a3 ~ a3 -> a4 -> a2 < 1403019616 133742 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Relevant bindings include < 1403019616 133832 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : c :: a3 -> a4 -> a2 (bound at <interactive>:1:62) < 1403019616 133924 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : b :: a3 (bound at <interactive>:1:60) < 1403019625 34031 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah. < 1403019652 333683 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let bin n 0 = 1; bin n k = bin (n-1) (k-1) * n `div` k; triple a b c = bi (a+b+c+2) 3 + bin (a+b+1) 2 + bin a 1 in triple 13 128 256 < 1403019653 747794 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘bi’ < 1403019653 935153 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1403019653 935335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘b’ (line 1), ‘bin’ (line 1), ‘pi’ (imported from Prelude) < 1403019664 921767 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let bin n 0 = 1; bin n k = bin (n-1) (k-1) * n `div` k; triple a b c = bin (a+b+c+2) 3 + bin (a+b+1) 2 + bin a 1 in triple 13 128 256 < 1403019666 742195 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10517423 < 1403019690 599955 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :binomial coefficients? < 1403019693 905520 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1403019705 226921 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what for? < 1403019720 617669 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-44-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :psh, they have infinite uses < 1403019722 682553 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, for encoding triples of natural numbers as natural numbers < 1403019734 372502 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1403019735 876732 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1403019847 948560 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think p would have to not only be prime, but laos larger than 3. < 1403019916 633294 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1403019924 505335 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A language where state is a number < 1403019930 947852 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can multiply divide it by two < 1403019933 458210 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. < 1403019948 385377 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*p,x multiplies the state by p^x < 1403019961 316156 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :/p,x divides the state by p^x < 1403019981 314431 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[x loops as long as x divides the state < 1403019983 194054 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1403020000 815613 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*2,128 *3,156 [2 /2,1 *3,1] should add 128+156 < 1403020027 348128 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it by numbers < 1403020074 807977 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe add an indirect operator < 1403020076 463589 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like < 1403020090 593210 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :$2 gives you how many times 2 divides the state < 1403020126 486467 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: are you aware of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRACTRAN ? < 1403020146 338913 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1403020334 770768 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-44-117.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1403020432 544863 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-208.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403020653 196387 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403021332 404463 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403021656 341654 :password2!~password@197.78.178.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403023517 348234 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1403023853 61864 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403024015 494408 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1403024362 555252 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403024422 835079 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1403025292 898249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403025627 957855 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403025638 418374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403025643 615492 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1403025852 498655 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403025933 892901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403026137 485072 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403026228 402139 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403026449 817284 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403026532 824063 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403026533 50420 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1403028306 600879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell, an eagle-owl is just an owl with nothing in particular to do with an eagle, despite the name. < 1403028384 873298 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it flies??? < 1403028410 767462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that really differentiates it from owls in general, though. < 1403028435 43964 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about < 1403028438 587146 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Superb Owl < 1403028447 548688 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very popular owl in America < 1403028453 534998 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Millions of people watch it every year < 1403028485 109665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not familiar with that owl. < 1403028737 933104 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-107.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1403028772 125400 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-107.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1403028772 312688 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1403028873 874479 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403029128 399574 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the H Owl? It saw the best minds of its generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical < 1403029144 132864 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the Mightyt Owl? Very popular in Pittsburgh < 1403029166 953509 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1403029201 816548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :owl ban you all if you keep this up < 1403029270 954977 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like someone's a mr. grumpypants. what's wrong? got a headache? < 1403029277 521579 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lowl < 1403029277 820911 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1403029301 207290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a hoot. < 1403029309 859602 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION offers elliott a Tylen Owl < 1403029324 423682 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: that brand name isn't in use in the UK < 1403029339 822444 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: neither is Mighty Towel or Super Bowl < 1403029341 428518 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm aware of it, but am not quite sure what medicine it refers to < 1403029341 615720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: a nasty cold, actually, but I like banning people no matter how ill I am < 1403029347 124367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: paracetamol < 1403029355 26570 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1403029364 30129 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure if that has a dominant manufacturer in the UK < 1403029365 689320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: which is referred to as acetaminophen generically in the US < 1403029383 473196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think) < 1403029386 117876 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calpol is the one I can think of offhand, but it's mostly marketed at parents to give to their children < 1403029410 382301 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than for adults to take themselves < 1403029422 890207 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is good at translating to American. does that mean we've rubbed off on him? < 1403029444 495503 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403029526 386107 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being British and living on the Internet for any extended period of time makes you quite good at US/UK translations < 1403029607 500926 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403029620 335777 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So! What's the best formalism of an analog signal? < 1403029649 573160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: who has rubbed one off on me is none of your business < 1403029665 695247 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: 0/1/X/U/L/H/W/Z/Q < 1403029703 889152 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't a particularly /useful/ formalism for analog work, given that it interprets all values that aren't at either voltage rail as W (or if you're unlucky, X) < 1403029724 280361 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it nonetheless formalizes analog signals, and is good < 1403029757 276571 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me what U, W, and Q are. < 1403029784 51911 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :remind me what all of those are < 1403029824 404545 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is low voltage, low impedance. 1 is high voltage, low impedance. X I think is unspecified voltage, unspecified impedance. L is low voltage, medium impedance. H is high voltage, medium impedance. Z is unspecified voltage, high impedance. < 1403029825 646868 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right? < 1403029845 243658 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: X is the value you get if you connect a 0 to a 1 < 1403029868 673576 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on the circuit design, it either means "somewhere between 0 and 1, low impedance", or "your circuit just caught fire" < 1403029869 49496 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. < 1403029894 249012 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U is the value the hardware defaults to if you don't give it any instructions at all < 1403029915 443411 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :W is any medium impedance value other than L or H < 1403029927 231600 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not convinced Q exists, I think I might have made it up by mistake when listing the options < 1403029938 470570 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are all these things called, again? < 1403029968 638445 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here we go. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1164 < 1403030014 674745 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, there is a - < 1403030029 718809 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have listed that one, rather than making up an extra value because I remembered there were 9 but not what the 9th one was < 1403030067 662631 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The "Z" value does exist in real-world circuits but only as an output state." < 1403030076 281669 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure Microchip would have a few words to say about that < 1403030092 95104 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were the masters of finding ways to abuse chips for unintended purposes < 1403030097 648887 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe still are < 1403030106 565876 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All my input pins are 0. < 1403030132 74967 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This lets me see what's going on using an ammeter. < 1403030138 871621 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you try to read an input pin as an output, you read a Z < 1403030155 710300 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's going to look like a 0 or a 1 unless you have very specialised input circuitry to connect it to < 1403030180 679538 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An ADC, perhaps? < 1403030189 947355 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small amount of noise, it's a 0 or a 1. Large amount of noise, it's a Z. < 1403030201 690730 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, clever < 1403030213 698718 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my method would be to switch a small-valued resistor in and out < 1403030218 189616 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see how much it changed the voltage by < 1403030230 151567 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or really, you could just use a bias to make Z read 0.5 or whatever < 1403030282 41293 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best output value is C. < 1403030286 861469 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Low impedance grounded capacitor. < 1403030324 928709 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what? how do you use that from the input side? < 1403030330 512638 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, high or low capacitance? < 1403030366 260383 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :High capacitance. < 1403030385 973975 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just stays at whatever voltage level it was most recently driven to. < 1403030424 708130 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can attach it to 1, then L < 1403030428 898159 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get yourself a timer :-) < 1403030440 941966 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you could test for Z by sending a tiny pulse in and seeing if it gets reflected or not. < 1403030465 934009 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, bad memories < 1403030486 524709 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only module I ever failed in my EE degree (although I still got a first for the degree overall, my other marks were high enough to compensate for the huge penalty a failure gives) < 1403030543 158961 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, computer audio inputs seem to be pretty good at figuring out the impedance. < 1403030556 111642 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cable that's unplugged gives way more noise than a cable that's plugged into something. < 1403030574 948980 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it'd be kind of amazing if you could actually take the noise level and calculate the capacitance. < 1403030855 592664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Panadol is the dominant Paracetamol container in Finland, I believe. < 1403030872 593409 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403030987 574410 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403031374 711722 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we could say an analog signal is a sum of Gaussian functions that has finite energy in any time and frequency window. Or something. < 1403031502 935466 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say that it's a sum of Gaussian functions such that, if you multiply it by a Gaussian and convolute it with a Gaussian, then the result has a finite amount of total energy. < 1403031569 692318 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Cept that you'll also want to allow the product of a Gaussian with a function of the form e^(a i t) for real a. 'Cause taking the Fourier transform of a shifted Gaussian gives you a Gaussian multiplied by one of those. < 1403031619 519806 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403031892 687200 :password2!~password@197.78.178.204 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403032414 867757 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you could define white noise functions like that. < 1403032838 805142 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-acyptnqpjkglzisg JOIN :#esoteric < 1403033000 191858 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1403033028 628819 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1403033418 738035 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1403033554 99736 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1403033560 810689 :Bicyclid1ne!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403033571 475672 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1403040563 779134 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1403041020 798190 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: tswett < 1403042113 172351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1403042902 780523 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403043040 629150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1403043155 787400 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1403044685 999314 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403044843 106590 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting thing about Go: They seem to want to make using undefined behavior obviously not work < 1403044847 479665 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Iterations over small maps no longer happen in a consistent order. Go 1 defines that “The iteration order over maps is not specified and is not guaranteed to be the same from one iteration to the next.” To keep code from depending on map iteration order, Go 1.0 started each map iteration at a random index in the map. A new map implementation introduced in Go 1.1 neglected to randomize iteration for maps with eight or fewer entries, < 1403044848 463900 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403044849 619598 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the iteration order can still vary from system to system. This has allowed people to write Go 1.1 and Go 1.2 programs that depend on small map iteration order and therefore only work reliably on certain systems. Go 1.3 reintroduces random iteration for small maps in order to flush out these bugs." < 1403044887 347956 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly sort of like it. < 1403044910 683444 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen methods of "discouraging" using UB before, but reliance on prng state is new to me < 1403044924 317580 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like code might need testing N times to rule out use of undefined behaviour though < 1403044992 488195 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how they talk about using UB being a bug in something where there's obviously only one implementation < 1403045046 183018 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's technically two implementations + future implementations < 1403045054 975644 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are as many implementations as there are in-use versions of Go, surely < 1403045063 716326 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, there's a compatibility 'guarantee' for Go 1.x < 1403045089 438751 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i was thinking because they use "Go" to mean the language standard and an implementation interchangeably. < 1403045112 967910 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make my message "[...] only one implementation that matters" if you like < 1403045161 596477 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, they're trying to avoid the problem e.g. Microsoft have always had with people building software that depends on the particular behaviour of the current version < 1403045168 154604 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :creating a backwards-compatability nightmare < 1403045183 647055 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. i just think it's funny. < 1403045210 981003 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if they use the same prng state as the user, or have a completely separate one. i think i don't like either option! < 1403045244 864486 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think separate works better < 1403045309 137320 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd certainly prefer it. < 1403045345 300555 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines how awful code he could write in Go if it depends upon the current state < 1403045412 609849 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :A badly-named function that temporarily seeds the PRNG to a known value, followed by iteration-order-critical code, followed by setting the PRNG state back. < 1403045434 914918 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like an esoteric language could emerge out of that style. < 1403045440 912689 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :name it Go1dot0Compat, ofc < 1403045450 564389 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go1dot1Compat rather < 1403045453 907341 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :A language with one construct where the behaviour depends upon the current PRNG state. < 1403045458 791447 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. That has to already exist. < 1403045561 402716 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Map iteration previously started from a random bucket, but walked each bucket from the beginning. Now, iteration always starts from the first bucket and walks each bucket starting at a random offset. For performance, the random offset is selected at the start of iteration and reused for each bucket." < 1403045566 447063 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Speed < 1403045573 943456 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the original implementation was separate: https://code.google.com/p/go/source/detail?r=02c15930f43c < 1403045594 163148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a fun thing you could do: < 1403045600 343569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterate through a map to get some entropy for your own purposes < 1403045611 363783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RNG without anything beyond built-in iteration constructs! < 1403045637 396652 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see, i think the new one is doing runtime·fastrand1() < 1403045644 399944 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :center dot? ok. < 1403045659 387639 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's a post on one of the forums that says "we want it to be random, but not too random, so people don't use it as a source of entropy" < 1403045666 401924 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1403045671 367081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qlkzy: well, that's no obstacle < 1403045675 780898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to wring the entropy out slowly < 1403045682 308693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where there's a will... < 1403045686 223389 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qlkzy: how can you tell it's separate? (i don't know runtime or anything) < 1403045769 647557 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine, I'm not overly familiar with go, but afaict user prngs would be some way up from "runtime.fastrand1()" < 1403045814 571987 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because each user prng is a configurable object with a source, rather than a static C function < 1403045815 940331 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i will check the sources, now i'm curious. you might be able to make an exploit out of this in some ridiculous way < 1403045839 849042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly the go implementers need to take a look at malbolge unshackled. < 1403045857 267169 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403045865 90737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(anyone else is also welcome, especially if they're willing to program in it) < 1403045873 914531 :tswett!~tswett@199.116.53.69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403045878 145293 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 'low-quality' randomness, so perhaps exploitable if an application depends on the iteration order in some way < 1403045899 651565 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fastrand1 looks like an LCG with some global called "m" < 1403045937 688505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how feasible is it to create a language where writing a program in it that does what you want is Hard (e.g., on the order of breaking crypto), but you can write a public spec/implementation without jeopardising that? < 1403045938 696517 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"extern register M *m;" ok. < 1403045967 961650 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comment says some ARM compilers actually notice the register declaration or something < 1403045976 163017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, "decrypt the program with a private key only the language author knows" works if you expose the interpreter via the internet, but you can't make a public spec out of it < 1403045981 290226 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... they have their own compiler, or something. < 1403045987 753198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this could tie into homomorphic encryption type things? < 1403046012 323892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: Go uses its own C compiler I think? < 1403046024 734765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's built on top of a port of the plan 9 compiler toolchain < 1403046030 330644 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :figures < 1403046077 296164 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, looks like the user exposed generators are separate, and in fact implemented in go < 1403046087 907539 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely Go takes advantage of the massive optimization work in existing compilers? < 1403046103 673834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Plan 9 compilers are existing. < 1403046106 773483 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golang.org/src/pkg/runtime/runtime.h#L290 still, lookit all that state < 1403046124 450491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they date back to the 90s, I think < 1403046126 381210 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can see the uint32 fastrand) < 1403046128 412857 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine, "massive optimization work in popular compilers" < 1403046131 556483 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1403046141 497702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... Go is a programming language < 1403046148 932568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're already in the job of writing an optimising compiler < 1403046167 646366 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they obviously sort of care about performance if they're telling the compiler what should be a register. < 1403046178 635540 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cause of the conversation aside < 1403046204 851486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the C compiler will only affect the speed of the Go compiler. < 1403046212 547131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the speed of Go programs will depend on the Go compiler. < 1403046229 541763 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's also the runtime, right? < 1403046243 533128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, right. < 1403046256 53581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the plan 9 c compilers and the go compiler are written by the same-ish people, so. < 1403046259 381607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually if they wanted to avoid both entropy use and dependence on order they should just choose the order randomly at startup, but fixed for each program run. (that's one of the options malbolge unshackled chooses between iirc.) < 1403046283 770238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*approximately one of < 1403046310 425647 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's another thing I like about the Go HTTP stack, that reminds me of some (not all) of the Haskell web frameworks: Routing layers themselves produce an HTTP application that can be nested in another routing layer, rather than a routing layer having to be at the top < 1403046768 193559 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fastrand1 is seeded from cputicks(), but at least on arm linux cputicks() is actually nanotime() + a random number which is... pulled from the elf i think? < 1403046833 249005 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The address of sixteen bytes containing a random value." huh, that's kind of cool (from man getauxvalue) < 1403046912 530431 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can view the whole aux vector with an environment value on literally any program, so presumably that's in ld.so? nifty, nifty < 1403047007 474536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally any dnyamically linked program, then < 1403047040 940108 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the sufferer < 1403047074 175039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1403047276 580870 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1403047414 880116 :nooodl_!~nooodl@77.104-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403047544 498537 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think I like type switching, but really don't like the thought of that being an idiomatic way of doing things < 1403047560 258002 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like type switching as a last resort feature ala unsafeCoerce < 1403047582 114280 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403047612 276204 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.124-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403047637 110044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that type switching breaks parametricity. < 1403047654 313665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hence, arguably, abstraction) < 1403047764 363071 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403047994 826434 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure I like Rust's error handling more than Go's. As explicit as Go, but there's a (still explicit) shortcut in the common case of returning earl < 1403047995 697085 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1403048012 250013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go using tuples for sum types is horrific < 1403048075 495471 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think multiple return quite counts as tuples. Can't just store the multiple return in some variable. But still bad at simulating sum types in the same way as what you meant, probably < 1403048114 954632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because an error must be (err, <garbage>) < 1403048148 457768 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go seem to assume that 'zero it out' is meaningful most of the time, except when it isn't < 1403048161 464490 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1403048849 439543 :tswett!~tswett@199.116.53.69 QUIT :Changing host < 1403048849 666389 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1403049307 962231 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403049534 747546 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403050261 570711 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1403050327 451688 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Quit: tswett < 1403053633 641885 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403053689 361720 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, somebody, there is anybody available? (Excuse me for the bad Englis...) < 1403053715 768816 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1403053765 293846 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello Bike! < 1403053844 688374 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I joined to this IRC, just because I would like to announce, that I created a new programming language, named "mau". < 1403053915 818411 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write an article for it on the wiki, probably. we get notices of wiki edits here. < 1403053921 362189 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The novatime newest, 15th release downloadable at this link: http://parancssor.info/mau/mau15release.tar.bz2 < 1403053951 978753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we would, if HackEgo wasn't abducted by evil scientists < 1403054008 502114 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, just my biggest problem that I have very low english knowledge! I understand enough good the written english documentation, but my knowledge sure not enough good to written articles.. < 1403054051 862553 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my language is not the English, but the Hungarian. The documentation of my "mau" interpreter language is more as 200 pages in odt format. < 1403054073 684681 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might be better off converting it to pdf or something < 1403054092 324104 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, you may as well make a page. then people can proofread it and such < 1403054098 284703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your english seems pretty good to me < 1403054127 557412 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should make a page on the esolang wiki -> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1403054136 187070 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This language very usable for serious, daily scripting work, I use it daily, under 64 bits Linux operating system, but in the above download link available the source code, and can compile it for 32 bits systems too. < 1403054150 793978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just need to gently persuade b_jonas to translate it, should be easy -----### < 1403054187 971410 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's esoteric about it < 1403054198 383510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, these example programs are pretty great. < 1403054231 651092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is … actually part of the syntax? :D < 1403054307 126023 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes. seeing the esotericism < 1403054339 235026 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, friends, the parancssor.info is my own domain. The hungarian word "parancssor" mean in English: "commandline". < 1403054372 449889 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this subforum: http://parancssor.info/forum/index.php?board=20.0 is more topic with USABLE, usefull mau programs! < 1403054467 504416 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in the downloadable package you can find more example programs, for ekzample the "vidir" programs in mau language! < 1403054493 257809 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original vidir written in Perl, but I created it in mau too. < 1403054581 984795 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An example for a cycle in mau: {| 26 ?c #s@s[[{|}]][#c@k]; /; |} < 1403054703 369747 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The above example is a cycle, which run 26 times, and print a character in every first string from the @s stringarray. It print from every string the character which has the index in the @k unsigned char variable. < 1403054861 430735 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here are an example program whit english comments, excuse me for the bad grammar: < 1403054863 830379 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!mau // maudir program. // Author: Viola Zoltán, violazoli@gmail.com // This program created in the programming language named "mau". That programming language created by I, Viola Zoltán, too. // Licence GPL, boot. // Constans: #s@P="/tmp"; // Path for the temporary file for the editing with the text editor in the $EDITOR environment variable #c@c='-; // character for the empty spaces of pidstring #c@p=6; // max length of th < 1403054887 403225 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, not successed... too long for the IRC... < 1403055076 315204 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, now I created to my forum an english section, and now already available in them the first mau example program - the vidir in mau language - with english comments! The link to this subforum: http://parancssor.info/forum/index.php?topic=121.0 < 1403055099 236962 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a page describing the language in english? < 1403055212 324688 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@madbr: sorry, not, because I not have enough good english! As I wrote above, I created now a subforum, and in that now available a long example, but I cannot translate the full >200 page documentation... < 1403055212 584222 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1403055382 86315 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, 200 pages is kinda long < 1403055398 860314 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it might be cool to have just some kind of broad intro < 1403055444 268232 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If would be lot of peoples having interest to the mau language, of course I try translate the cheaf parts of the syntax, usability, other needed knowledge, but it will very bad in the English grammar, therefore I need somebody to correct my bad english text! < 1403055569 174145 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be good practice for getting better at that :D < 1403055585 533550 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This language support all types of the C, - signed/unsigned char/int/longint, float, double, long double, string, and other string designed for UTF-8 encoded characters, arrays... < 1403055653 892403 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's its design goal? < 1403055657 8237 :nooodl_!~nooodl@77.104-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1403055676 929963 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has lot of variants for cycles, switch, it can handle bitfields... < 1403055692 924471 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The slogan: "The programming language with efficient line noise" < 1403055695 663154 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cycles? < 1403055720 584990 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cycles, as ekzample "for" in the "c". < 1403055725 332512 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, loops :D < 1403055760 908432 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in the mau it is not named "for", but {| or {( or other symbol variants. < 1403055794 590126 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes, eh, English... Yes, LOOPS, f*ck my crazy mind... < 1403055820 393977 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, my english knowledge is under the ass... < 1403055959 610090 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a bit like APL? < 1403056015 730003 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If somebody ready to correct my bad Enlglish, I translate the documentation. In this case, send me email to this: violazoli at gmail point com. < 1403056032 493341 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont know APL. < 1403056084 293391 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My goal, that I have my own programming language, because I have like and interest to creating it, and that this language is a strictly type language. < 1403056085 533225 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apl is famous for using a bunch of rare hard to type characters, and having lots of special operators (for doing operations on arrays) < 1403056118 357987 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In every function strictly, which variable type usable. < 1403056149 55491 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as in the Bash or other common scripting language. My casting operator is the "#". < 1403056272 625682 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's easy to do very compact programs in apl because the operators will do whole loops for you < 1403056287 144300 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-acyptnqpjkglzisg QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1403056409 466235 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1403056429 65979 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#c = unsigned char < 1403056436 104202 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#C = signed char < 1403056444 910089 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#i = unsigned short int < 1403056452 205903 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#I = signed short int < 1403056458 51635 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#l = unsigned int < 1403056464 898698 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#L = signed int < 1403056474 258862 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#g = unsigned long long < 1403056481 110393 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#G = signed long long < 1403056485 469291 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#f = float < 1403056489 957146 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#d = double < 1403056496 423123 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#D = long double < 1403056500 656366 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#s = string < 1403056515 393587 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#u = UTF-8 encoded char < 1403056518 142864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1403056535 683459 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#U = string from UTF-8 encoded chars < 1403056556 845034 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have structs or objects? < 1403056629 775345 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet, but planning. I will enlarge my language to OOP. But not now, because first I create my own regexp implementation. This will usefull and necessary to the objectorientad parts... < 1403056660 180784 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mau has function, and every function has own namespace. < 1403056692 757939 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has functions? but can you store a whole function inside a variable? < 1403056746 724416 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the mau has built-in "variables" for the directory structure, and inputfiles, outputfiles, stacks... < 1403056775 287821 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have arrays? < 1403056775 949885 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1403056834 690778 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me I dont understand your question. Of course, variables can handle only datas. But in a #l type variable you can put a label of a function! < 1403056856 564732 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the mau, almost every things can to be indirect. < 1403056943 514738 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, you has a subrutine labeled with §in. Now, yo type: #g@c=§in; And later: »#g@c; this is a jump to the label which are in the #g@c variable. Indirect jumping. < 1403056979 186794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr means "array" as in "int x[5] = ..." in C < 1403056995 908823 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, arrays available in the mau. All single type has its arrays too. For ekzample: < 1403057012 823481 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#c@c - this is a single variable, unsigned char. < 1403057041 844989 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#c@c[index] - this is an array of unsigned chars. < 1403057060 376007 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1403057069 737983 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#s@s="This is a single string variable constans"; < 1403057071 603490 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can you change the size of arrays once they are created? < 1403057113 586613 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#s@s[[arrayindex]][stringindex] - this is a character of a string from a stringarray. < 1403057232 341380 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After creation of the stringarray, the size not changeable yet, but if the mau community would like this possibility, I built it, no problem... :) < 1403057256 938183 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the strings automatically grow up if necessary. For ekzample: < 1403057362 515098 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#s@a="string"; This string is from 6 characters. Now you do: #s@a[8]=g; You now probed giving the "g" character to the 8th place of the string. This place momently no exist, but this is no problem, the string grow up to the 8th characters. < 1403057376 817942 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What fills the void? < 1403057477 277508 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but can you store a whole function inside a variable?" -> some languages let you do that < 1403057490 732505 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can more or less create whole new functions real time < 1403057517 930509 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the mau available 2 string types. The "common" has the #s casting operator. In the above case, the void places imply random memory trash. But the second string type, whith the #U casting operator - this is designed for the UTF-8 encoded characters - strictly fill up the void places with spaces. < 1403057679 709181 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already use the mau daily, because I use my LFS-based Linux with the DWM window manager, and I wrote/created my statusbar program in the mau. And the menu program for the DWM, exist in mau too. And my gmail watcher program is written in mau, too. And my english-hungarian dictionary too... < 1403057741 543559 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my own colored listener program in place of the "ls", written in mau, too. And the "vidir" clone in mau, too. < 1403057932 209954 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the mau has built-in QuickSort routine/function. < 1403058014 90946 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mau also PLUGINABLE! The (sorry, hungarian language...) documentation has fully knowledgebase chapter about, how can you write plugins to the mau interpreter in C/C++ language! < 1403058029 218152 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :practical < 1403058062 565916 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the only esoteric language to have that, ever :D < 1403058069 117304 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With this methode, you can see the mau as only a skeleton to a fully-featured interpreter language, and to them you can create your OWN programming language! < 1403058116 542256 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, all/every built-in mau command/function REWRITABLE, you can redefine its token with your plugins! < 1403058218 516185 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403058222 861042 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1403058223 48172 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1403058245 467251 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse me, I hope that I am no a smart alec too, but I think, that in the esoteric-group of the existing programming language, the mau is the GOD, because this is a VERY USABLE language! < 1403058276 192119 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric languages are rarely designed for usability < 1403058335 620653 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example the brainfuck? < 1403058358 33804 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the brainfuck's design goal was as small a compiler as possible. < 1403058363 873599 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise I tell you, that the mau has built-in brainfuck-interpreter too... < 1403058402 692966 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :many are designed for pure mindfuck power, to expand your mind on what can be a computer language < 1403058422 131661 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck is interest, yes. But Not usable for the daily work. I like it, but not usable for a fast scripting work. The mau yes. < 1403058449 768643 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite in this "mind expanding" category is unlambda: http://esolangs.org/wiki/unlambda < 1403058537 460708 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, but my goal was not the mind expanding. I am a novelist. And for my sci-fi stories needed a new programming language. I created it. And, I planned it that it should be an usable tool for my daily linux work too. < 1403058582 647078 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The numeric constans in the mau: < 1403058594 759496 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :begin 0-9: decimal constans < 1403058606 192224 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :begin with o or O: octal constans < 1403058630 909247 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :begin with $: hexadecimal, for ekzample #fc or $FCe2 < 1403058650 939515 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as 0 isn't used as the octal indicator I'm happy. < 1403058654 803665 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :begin with %: binary constans. %10111011101 < 1403058657 162153 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tw < 1403058667 655071 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah does anyone still use octal? < 1403058676 209019 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: yes < 1403058683 679609 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod 644 < 1403058684 436461 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. numbers starting with 0 being octal is obnoxious, is all. < 1403058689 432879 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah chmod < 1403058713 799563 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcd....xABCD...X: an unsigned character, the ASCII code of the character. < 1403058716 969578 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah starting with 0 producing octal is like... automatic non-obvious bugs < 1403058724 43884 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FossilCodger: not unicode? < 1403058733 695580 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1403058768 591990 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said "ASCII code". < 1403058779 459111 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The unicode sequences is multibytes. < 1403058787 997875 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1403058793 438016 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I already understand your question! < 1403058845 115600 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#c@c=a; - in this case you give the ASCII code of "a" to the unsigned char variable named @c. < 1403058925 328942 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#u@a="ω"; - in this case you give to the UTF-8 character variable named @a, the byte sequences of the UTF-8 encoded multibyte character ω. < 1403058927 246563 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1403058983 741900 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why was I able to copy/paste an image? < 1403058991 4111 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when does img's alt do that? < 1403059022 349873 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a square < 1403059025 345672 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, rectangle < 1403059030 432365 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot give to you answer, I am newbie in the IRC. < 1403059074 535368 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This can to be a function name in the mau: < 1403059075 633480 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :„ཨོཾ་མ་ཎི་པདྨེ་ཧཱུྃ” // Om Ma Ni Pe Me Hung < 1403059103 443929 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you can see, the function names can has any UTF-8 encoded characters. < 1403059114 723411 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that is a vulcan hand salute < 1403059127 551266 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vulcans have weird hands. < 1403059202 773377 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Function names should give between the „ and ” symbols. < 1403059215 100045 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/28czh2/announcing_unicode_70/ < 1403059233 346574 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For ekzample, a function named with the Sarasvati hindu godness, mahadevi: < 1403059233 638705 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :„सरस्वती” < 1403059293 781647 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, a function, named (dedicated) the Loved One singerin, the hebrew Ofra Haza: < 1403059295 13119 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :„עפרה חזה” // Ofra Haza függvénye < 1403059311 696927 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all are valid function names in the mau. < 1403059316 76893 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+F809324230B034C43DA9123880EE8034588A8340994858CFD841351: BEAR JUGGLING SIX DIFFERENTLY-SIZED MELONS WHILE WEARING BEANIE WITH LOPSIDED PROPELLER < 1403059440 744106 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok Chrome, you obviously have a font that supports PILE OF POO because that's exactly what I see in my address bar right now < 1403059475 372667 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Levitating man... superfluous. The Unicode implement all useless shit. < 1403059644 546182 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :First I think that in the mau the UTF-8 strings encoding all characters only with 4 bytes. But in the end, I planned it to 6 bytes, the originally plan of the UTF-8, because I think, the Unicode committee is untrustly, the 4 bytes will not enough lot, because I see the all superfluous trash will implemented to the unicode. < 1403059711 538595 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the point of utf-8 was not fixing a length. < 1403059753 193662 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : < FossilCodger> First I think that in the mau the UTF-8 strings encoding all characters only with 4 bytes. But in the end, I planned it to 6 bytes, the originally plan of the UTF-8, because I think, the Unicode < 1403059757 212499 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1403059768 914536 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <FossilCodger> First I think that in the mau the UTF-8 strings encoding all characters only with 4 bytes. But in the end, I planned it to 6 bytes, the originally plan of the UTF-8, because I think, the Unicode committee is untrustly, the 4 bytes will not enough lot, because I see the all superfluous trash will implemented to the unicode. < 1403059790 370811 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 is novatimes max 4 bytes, but in the first time it was 6 bytes planned. < 1403059824 934025 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UTF-8 structure can expandable to maximum 8 bytes, as I know. < 1403059854 772982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "novatimes" should be adopted as an actual english word. < 1403059877 303639 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it mean, i can't tell < 1403059880 42101 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"now"? < 1403059885 240654 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a medicine brand < 1403059894 153067 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this times. < 1403059948 801216 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"these days"? < 1403059991 433127 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :novatimes=nowadays, recently < 1403060021 688503 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1403060072 30543 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mau can special variables for the benchmarks, too. < 1403060075 417051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good word. < 1403060090 317036 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did we find this guy? < 1403060102 776887 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they came in a few hours ago to talk about t heir esolang. < 1403060118 797140 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just logged on and started talking yes < 1403060132 35172 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am here yet. < 1403060179 862030 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just I have lot of difficulity in the English, I am sorry & excuse me. < 1403060211 216403 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem < 1403060321 265119 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the mau has the "test" function of the bash, too. < 1403060334 74426 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the mau can handle streams, too. < 1403060381 403982 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For ekzample, you can open a file in the memory (RAM), you write to them the records, and if finish, you handle the memory area as a string... < 1403060466 933419 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This mau command: ||| #s@a t; cut the @a string to parts into the string-array named "t". < 1403060511 541159 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is akin function to the "tr"...) < 1403060693 179648 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, guys, has the esolangs community an own forum? < 1403060763 872704 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if not, I welcome open in my forum a part for the eso languages. This domain paid for the next 5 years already... < 1403060837 854072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to have a forum. now we just use the wiki < 1403060969 310952 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay Elliot, then, if you think that this is a good idea, write to the wiki please, that the official forum of the esolangs is in the parancssor.info/forum/... - to the "..." I write the name what you would like, and open that subforum now! < 1403061201 731361 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The heck...? http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/28ffsc/world_cup_json_rails_backend_for_a_scraper_that/ < 1403061208 90376 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why was that posted to /r/Python < 1403062162 131172 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye, I logout! < 1403062200 406947 :FossilCodger!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1403062224 818294 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Go uses global variables a bunch by default < 1403062231 810247 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And was just told 'you don't have to use them' < 1403062621 526979 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And possibly most don't use the default global variables, but it's still concerning) < 1403063523 502516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1403063794 525814 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1403063806 115836 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the cool thing to put in a fungeroid < 1403063855 459485 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going to be hard to have a "write to program/read from program at X/Y" instruction tho < 1403063898 452174 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it takes a line number for Y and a string for X < 1403063932 539121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how 16-bit samples are stored in a .XM music? < 1403064055 677342 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403064184 161939 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read the specs for XM < 1403064213 236469 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for s3m and IT there's a table of pointers to sample headers in the file header < 1403064257 644590 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember what IT does from there but for s3m this header contains a pointer to the sample data < 1403064280 217679 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403064373 287389 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't remember if the sample data was unsigned or signed but I think it's the reverse from the usual < 1403064396 974972 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and might be different between 8 and 16 bits) < 1403064862 519487 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-208.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403064951 351478 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The specs for XM do have a few things missing actually but I have been able to fill in those missing things. Someone else already made a version with many mistakes corrected, but still has a few mistakes. I know where samples are stored, but not the format of 16-bit samples. < 1403064965 384215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-bit samples in XM are encoded as delta values. < 1403065500 498797 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-35-118.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403065981 892406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to extend AmigaMML with such feature. < 1403066109 980698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also want to add a percussion synthesizer; do you have advice how to do such a things? < 1403066183 763235 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends how realistic you want it to be < 1403066219 170013 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what hardware you're targetting < 1403066286 402481 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :drums are essentially a large impulse + some noise going through a whole bunch of bandpass filters (like 40 bandpass filters in parallel) < 1403066298 583582 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really care much to be realistic but want it good quality nevertheless. < 1403066349 53487 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kick can be done with essentially a wave going down in pitch fast < 1403066413 163897 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hihat is a mess of high frequencies... on an FM synth you can do them by setting osc frequencies super high and playing some ridiculously high note and letting it create some frequency mess due to aliasing... but this doesn't work on non-fm synths < 1403066426 402643 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :failing that, just some noise isn't bad < 1403066484 602392 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :snare is kinda touchy, it needs some lower frequency thump (essentially low frequency noice) BEFORE the high frequency SHHH from the snares < 1403066522 900190 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they cannot happen at the same time, it's thump THEN the Shhhh part < 1403066555 540893 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on C64 they do this by using one channel and alternating it between a wave (usually square) and noise < 1403066568 728737 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's kindof a tone sequencer < 1403066572 743718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, although FM synthesis is actually also one of the synthesizers I intend to add. The two I have already implemented are simple waveforms (a sum of square waves (adjustable duty), saw, and triangle), and PADsynth (full the amplitude table with a sum of bell curves, the phase table with random values, and then perform an inverse Fourier transform), and the two I plan to add are FM synth and percussion synth. < 1403066611 960082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can already load external samples, but I also want to allow the .MML text file to be able to stand alone. < 1403066614 893358 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this page has some more ideas: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Feb02/articles/synthsecrets0202.asp < 1403066624 387042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1403066661 405559 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially every drum is its own special snowflake < 1403067065 185325 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Rouringu de hajikunda! < 1403067090 195694 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-35-118.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't hear their shapes < 1403067837 551172 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403068613 426278 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403069724 504620 :tertu!~tertu@184-97-163-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403071608 847016 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Go's defer has any advantages over Haskell solutions to similar problems < 1403071624 651741 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's more explicit that something will be closed, rather than being implied by the usage < 1403071901 933048 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once used the (just) overtone scale in writing music. < 1403072389 73311 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403072389 260544 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403072628 680373 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403072632 463725 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1403072632 651060 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403072654 92154 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1403072779 986926 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403072862 112351 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1403072879 478356 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403072993 808300 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403073100 640648 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1403074336 852505 :irenge!~octav@41-139-172-202.safaricombusiness.co.ke JOIN :#esoteric < 1403074437 501818 :tertu!~tertu@184-97-163-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403075474 903006 :nooodl!~nooodl@77.104-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403075966 92105 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in today's issue of things that would not be necessary if Go had generics: https://github.com/justinas/alice < 1403076279 678382 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks a lot like (.) < 1403076506 100054 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It petty much is, except iiuc you can't really write a typesafe (.) < 1403076584 3745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Matt Silverlock's use.go snippet came closest to what I wanted. My only complaint is that the ordering of handlers here is counter-intuitive. Reading the chaining code makes it obvious that < 1403076587 969821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use(myApp, csrf, logging, recovery) < 1403076590 515137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is equivalent to this code: < 1403076593 11674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :recovery(logging(csrf(myApp))) < 1403076595 501855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this request cycle: < 1403076598 34386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :recovery -> logging -> csrf -> myApp < 1403076600 512551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, a reversed order from what you've written in your code." < 1403076603 15682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, the opposite complaint people make about (.) < 1403077243 567657 :password2!~password@197.78.178.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403079923 899699 :irenge!~octav@41-139-172-202.safaricombusiness.co.ke QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403080487 919624 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403080665 894113 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1403080666 82117 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403080940 94236 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1403082236 257699 :password2!~password@197.78.178.204 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403083237 503751 :password2!~password@197.78.195.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403083319 661540 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403084061 396388 :impomatic!~chatzilla@84.93.80.151 QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0.1/20140506152807] < 1403084080 654659 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403084168 475036 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1403085707 439383 :brandonsons|2!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403085955 655562 :brandonsons!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403086346 544041 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I am being attacked by imposter syndrome < 1403086474 432167 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403086564 37524 :password2!~password@197.78.195.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403086721 217669 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you mean: Help, I have imposter syndrome. < 1403086728 397523 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, please press 1. < 1403086731 783174 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, please press 2. < 1403086748 609861 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1403086755 447143 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 probably < 1403086758 74727 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :To ask for information about how much this call costs, press 3. < 1403086764 43865 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :To donate 1 Mio. dollar press 4. < 1403086785 992895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To donate using what account? < 1403086818 488003 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got 90% on a programming theory exam and I don't feel like I deserve it when one of my friends failed it < 1403086822 982019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Push 0 (OPER) < 1403086826 317253 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be charged to your IRC bill < 1403086839 407247 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, he didn't fail it < 1403086846 53172 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that makes me feel better :) < 1403086870 903083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why should you don't feel like you deserve it if one of your friends failed it? < 1403086905 394723 :nooodl_!~nooodl@77.104-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403086918 840594 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, because I think he's a better programmer than I am < 1403086937 940919 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you're mistaken about his skills then. < 1403086941 944285 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or he had a bad day. < 1403086973 871937 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Did you cheat on the test? < 1403086990 28124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: O, OK. Well, but it might not necessarily have to do with the exam. < 1403086998 7850 :kyhwana!kyhwana@snowleopard.kyhwana.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/w/w 6 < 1403087000 195031 :kyhwana!kyhwana@snowleopard.kyhwana.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrf < 1403087012 152917 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people who cheat on tests don't deserve to pass them. < 1403087045 44026 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, I did not cheat on the test < 1403087067 870079 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had I would have got more than 90%, or I would have thought 90% was high enough to be suspicious and got less than 90% < 1403087083 893894 :nooodl!~nooodl@77.104-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403087110 325264 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd care about your mark being suspicious if you cheat to good? < 1403087134 839241 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it's susicious. If they can't prove it, they can't get you ;P < 1403087138 644343 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*suspicious < 1403087143 461064 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too < 1403087184 813708 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if it's not suspicious they won't look so hard < 1403087201 877825 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would they look at? < 1403087205 936494 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You already wrote the test? < 1403087233 821529 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1403087238 95665 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not clever enough to cheat < 1403087239 771550 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can't do anything once you've left the exam room I think < 1403087257 650890 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'd be clever enough < 1403087266 161259 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd be a nervous wreck the whole exam < 1403087278 927286 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My body would literally be shaking if I were to cheat < 1403087334 697228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have only twice tried to cheat on a test. In one case it was on paper, and I tried to use a "coughing code" to tell everyone else in the room, the answers. Since I have not told anyone about this ahead of time, I don't think anyone knew (and the teacher ask if I needed some water to drink). The other is on computer; once I reached the final question I tried to cheat off of the person next to me, who as it turned out was trying to cheat off of me < 1403087379 492102 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem to have pretty poor luck at cheating < 1403087418 513821 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too scared to cheat :( < 1403087444 688379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the first case I described, I didn't really do it to cheat, but because I wanted to figure out if it is possible and what the reactions are! < 1403087892 212580 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never did my homework, so i said "x equals 5", it was in 90% of all cases acceptable by my math teacher < 1403087917 109468 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had to say the results < 1403088003 986966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way university maths questions are marked is: < 1403088020 867503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :- look at the start, see if it makes sense < 1403088028 292648 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :- look at the end, see if the result is correct < 1403088043 851366 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :- assume the middle is sound and award full marks < 1403088531 15156 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://www.xkcd.com/759/ < 1403088551 135804 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose title text is "Handy exam trick: when you know the answer but not the correct derivation, derive blindly forward from the givens and backward from the answer, and join the chains once the equations start looking similar. Sometimes the graders don't notice the seam." < 1403088637 881214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially on multiple-choice tests I did sometimes work backward from the answer. < 1403088926 866164 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/602-Test-Time.html < 1403089394 633534 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: *fwomp* < 1403089442 602594 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm kinda counting on that :) < 1403089458 740404 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although our math lecturer does a better job than that < 1403089462 694647 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My result was correct < 1403089491 539617 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he said I made an assumption that just coincidentally lead me to the correct result < 1403089491 539855 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus, it's wrong :) < 1403089609 216409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I have done this kind of "short-circuit" test < 1403089796 567010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff written on that article is good < 1403089849 754738 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can an exam be racially biased o_O < 1403089858 900605 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they ask questions only white people can answer < 1403090062 163518 :jj2baile!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403090073 99065 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1403090081 853355 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :short-circuiting < 1403090088 512493 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought everybody does that too anyway < 1403090113 603416 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1403090153 455753 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are even questions where you can say "Well, I don't know the exact answer, but I know it can't be B,C,D so the only option left is A anyway) < 1403090185 596605 :jj2baile!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1403090203 142141 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1403090246 159443 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, my multiple choice exams have all had E) None of the above :( < 1403090319 119945 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I were a teacher I'd do that too < 1403090347 428375 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And like 3 questions were E! < 1403090371 758137 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also F) I don't know < 1403090374 910049 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and punish mistakes ;) < 1403090397 560103 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes multiple choice questions actually harder < 1403090402 834985 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although everybode seems to think they are easier < 1403090412 733076 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only don't you get the point for the question < 1403090415 497732 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also LOOSE one < 1403090428 378091 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not knowing an answer correctly costs you two points instead of just one < 1403090477 729656 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather it's not a multiple choice question and just loose a single point for not knowing it correctly < 1403090488 423304 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes dereferencing syntax in C++ or perl reminds me to the intercal rabbit ear syntax < 1403090552 520631 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: A funny variation is actually < 1403090557 474365 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How many options are correct?" < 1403090599 363537 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of marking the correct options you just have to write how many of them are correct < 1403090635 359771 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :A) 1 B) 2 C) 3 or less D) all of the above < 1403091189 746042 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1403091195 813112 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if A,B are true < 1403091197 644108 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :C must be too < 1403091207 502803 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i C is true < 1403091211 38119 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and A B < 1403091212 378359 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then B too < 1403091220 468935 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*D < 1403091556 839921 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be more precise, I meant: A) exactly 1, B) exactly 2, C) 3 or less, D) all of the above < 1403091627 840691 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :E) 31604,10001,714,108 < 1403091648 334367 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1403091652 499749 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 is 3 or less < 1403091677 577335 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the question is "how many options are correct?" < 1403091693 990799 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1403091694 991080 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the desired outcome is that there is no consistent set of answers. < 1403091701 704222 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1403091932 31548 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403093250 870436 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1403093346 206179 :Guest767!dlopen@libdl.so NICK :Gregor < 1403093459 234938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1403093820 680462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this much good so far? http://esolangs.org/wiki/Gentzen#Typeclass_definition_syntax < 1403094514 649679 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403094526 909716 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403096581 964492 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1403096716 30591 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403096741 841976 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403097530 447358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<zzo38> [...] Since I have not told anyone about this ahead of time, I don't think anyone knew [...] <-- i'm going to guess that anyone intelligent enough to guess you were doing a code and figuring it out didn't need your help anyway. < 1403098212 956147 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403098225 350349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403101941 570678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1403102044 2529 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403102163 871208 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403102897 500414 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403102897 687940 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1403102897 688076 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1403103038 817153 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1403103470 567171 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-35-118.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403103558 108741 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There doesn't appear to be a JavaScript Unix password cracker anywhere :-( < 1403103573 810574 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-61-225.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403103707 696821 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running John the Ripper... < 1403103710 656432 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcry:BbDSwh.NQHGj6:1004:102:Cray Analyst:/u/gcry:/bin/sh < 1403104362 217438 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you do javascript? < 1403104369 685790 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need speed for password cracking < 1403104703 108750 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1403104709 480709 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But JavaScript has 2× the performance of native applications. http://fratti.ch/2webscale4u/ < 1403104835 344841 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403105280 306270 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot should have a cracker < 1403105424 181913 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`crack cray:1zd8eAacKa9J6:101:17:Cray:/usr/cray: < 1403105514 784748 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot should have a person of Caucasian descent < 1403105809 96921 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1403107361 569734 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1403108341 343534 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't accept the premisse that anything that is interpreted can possibly run faster than native code < 1403108358 592118 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't acept the premisse that anything executed on a vm can possibly run faster than native code < 1403108403 507136 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless < 1403108407 75681 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :does 2x the speed mean < 1403108419 459319 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if native takes 2s then it takes 4s? < 1403108492 927667 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, an amazing interpreter can beat native code generated by a crap compiler < 1403108506 601849 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1403108513 132426 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody said anything about that < 1403108519 723795 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs twice as fast as native code < 1403108531 497169 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that said about? < 1403108572 498770 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :being faster than native code means for me, that you are faster than the CPU can execute code < 1403108701 304650 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway < 1403108712 272065 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just look at that webscalability < 1403108714 790303 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just wow < 1403108765 351267 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu < 1403108790 58768 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that webpage has apparentely been seized by some federal agency of some country . < 1403109094 462631 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should do a mockup. < 1403109240 180135 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, css shadows on body text :-( < 1403109305 947819 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shady characters < 1403110342 654317 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/ngbl/ < 1403110960 27134 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403112033 659517 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Quit: tswett < 1403113095 219596 :password2!~password@197.78.186.103 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403113455 601327 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1403113460 502972 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably replace : with IS < 1403114125 931577 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1403114143 879835 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403114394 855339 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403114493 34307 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now with EXISTS, IS and ASSIGNED_TO < 1403114515 551568 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of these passwords are cracking really easily. service -> smile : shutdown -> bedtime and a few user passwords like mary, tricia, etc. < 1403114615 623057 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor passwords, considering the password file is from a Ministry of Defence machine :-) They should know better. < 1403114804 401995 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that's not your job and your bragging about it on the IRC < 1403114810 259283 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you're < 1403114839 589513 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1403114842 611647 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bragging < 1403114852 952635 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's plaudern in english < 1403114880 937091 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/bragging/chatting < 1403114975 942913 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1403115008 940562 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :chatting < 1403115027 367668 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no "bragging" connotation that I'm aware of. < 1403115043 174314 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1403115053 19505 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1403115059 508476 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that bragging is the wrong word < 1403115061 90790 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should stop replying to the last thing said without reading context. < 1403115071 877837 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Don't worry < 1403115076 382135 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to do that a lot too :D < 1403115097 231673 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :tltr < 1403115099 301163 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :too lazy to read < 1403115111 465830 :nooodl_!~nooodl@77.104-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :fcrawl < 1403115315 292692 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1403115334 171611 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: no, don't work for the MoD. Bought an ex-MOD computer which hasn't been wiped and trying to find the root password so I can use it properly. < 1403115421 328367 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... what? When's this thing from? < 1403115458 109960 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'd like to have root access to your long range missiles. < 1403115540 284378 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or a little house in some neat state . < 1403115546 444620 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1403115581 117137 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wyoming sounds nice < 1403115682 515565 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bought about a dozen ex MoD computers a few years ago. I've only just got this one back. (It's too big, so I had to put it in storage for a while until I got the garage converted into an office) < 1403115708 154960 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are pretty old I assume? < 1403115712 905680 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1990? < 1403115716 318669 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or pre 90? < 1403115724 760518 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just surprised they don't wipe everything as a matter of policy < 1403115736 269741 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1403115739 445633 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easy to do < 1403115746 636542 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even little companies do that < 1403115788 862594 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hoiwlyfukfewpabn JOIN :#esoteric < 1403115801 354627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're assuming the military is more competent than the average company < 1403115808 492776 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1403115810 151151 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1403115812 50501 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah? < 1403115822 377905 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman aren't you american < 1403115826 972350 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what a normal non-us-citizen like me would think < 1403115829 221310 :fcrawl!~nooodl@77.104-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman is swiss right < 1403115832 858661 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh darn < 1403115846 203105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that america is the only country in the world where things are bad < 1403115854 109150 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I suspect it's not much more secure here ;) < 1403115872 845230 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i was just asking cos i'd give the example of http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jun/17/usa.oliverburkeman1 < 1403115873 313859 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've heard something like that < 1403115892 900913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I just commit some kind of poe's law of smoke europeanism < 1403115900 388155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1403115901 425536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :smug. < 1403115907 475451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how I got "smoke" out of that. < 1403115921 765676 :fcrawl!~nooodl@77.104-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :smoke europeanism everyday < 1403115922 112112 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i would have expected the military to do something else if they don't follow basic security, like for example, just explode them < 1403115934 267585 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or dump them in the ocean, a la http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_CHASE < 1403115979 825823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :US nuclear weapons found out to actually just be old fireworks in fancy containers < 1403116168 803212 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was explaining fission bombs yesterday and it was kind of awkward having to say that it basically boils down to hitting plutonium really hard < 1403116707 691460 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403116733 816327 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403117235 374716 :password2!~password@197.78.186.103 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403117380 151785 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: they range from mid 80's to mid 90's. They range from a BBC Micro with some kind of 32-bit co-processor to an 8 processor Cray. < 1403117469 269503 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The place I bought them had an entire warehouse of various computers / minis / mainframes. I wish I could've bought more. < 1403117539 127818 :barrucadu!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu NICK :c5sper < 1403117560 763140 :c5sper!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu NICK :barrucadu < 1403118010 377731 :password2!~password@197.78.166.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403120334 921888 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1403120349 65194 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403120961 368119 :password2!~password@197.78.166.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403121039 557059 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403121156 593441 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully your cracking the passwords on the cray < 1403121255 129559 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :two days and I'm through with my final exams < 1403121259 212143 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, if I pass :D < 1403121408 667969 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you're < 1403121436 425597 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far the "don't learn" strategy went well < 1403121517 699418 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1403121533 907215 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? < 1403121561 938944 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you not learn < 1403121575 65485 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's mostly boring bullshit < 1403121653 655027 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you're not paying too much, then. < 1403121667 594554 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 900 CHF a semester < 1403121686 22319 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403121708 750499 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you wouldn't really have a choice even it cost more ;) < 1403121713 154271 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :+if < 1403121747 56869 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ridiculously specific stuff they'll ask < 1403121759 956467 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... what policy is needed to create a JAAS LoginContext < 1403121778 289287 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so glad I quit CS. < 1403121782 264219 :fcrawl!~nooodl@77.104-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i WISH i knew what my exam questions are going to be like < 1403121790 421242 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: a JAASLoginContextPolicy? < 1403121806 582592 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't bother memorizing all those things < 1403121823 134628 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to learn the documentation of some Java Interface < 1403121828 900381 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chemistry involves an annoying amount of memorization but at least it'll be most of the same memorization as fifty years ago. < 1403121834 152648 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that the lecturer included enough information about that interface in his slide < 1403121839 499160 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because I can bring the slides to the exam) < 1403121852 349660 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'll just look-up stuff on the slides during the exam as I need to < 1403121873 226501 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not under the control of some megacorp, much as Dow would like. < 1403121877 807786 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have bad luck, he'll ask stuff he only mentioned in the lectures and did not document in the slides < 1403121880 837146 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'm screwed < 1403121952 644602 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something that was only mentioned in some exercises < 1403121953 170599 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403121992 570766 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see how it would make me a better computer scientist by memorizing all the stupid shit they teach < 1403121996 411240 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't < 1403122078 495448 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds to me like your program might not be CS at all < 1403122131 678662 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is. but they bloat it up with lots of java specific stuff < 1403122137 46174 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other stuff < 1403122152 521014 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just not interested in that < 1403122168 655931 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how will you be enterprise pro? < 1403122186 166991 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than memorizing the java compiler's command line options I'd like to learn something about type theory < 1403122201 41637 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :For god's sake < 1403122201 872265 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403122211 311755 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the purpose of learning the java compiler's command line options < 1403122218 739185 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :none < 1403122220 179054 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's none < 1403122234 912280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, say you want to compile java < 1403122238 63091 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to just learn abstract nonsense? but how will you ever *do* anything without knowing how to invoke javac? < 1403122256 323005 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a freaking manual for it somewhere < 1403122273 241055 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when you go make Java with a bunch of bullies they won't bother you for checking the manual every once in a while. < 1403122303 222677 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the rare cases you actually alter the javac command line by much < 1403122305 923154 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll look it up < 1403122318 119937 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by hand < 1403122324 584230 :fcrawl!~nooodl@77.104-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds sorta, "why bother learning arithmetic if there's calculators"!! < 1403122328 637588 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1403122359 436763 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to say that Java is a fundamental a concept as arithmatic? < 1403122364 342135 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as < 1403122368 784466 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more like "why bother learning arithmetic if there's a book about that documents how that works" < 1403122377 902533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm. there is < 1403122386 160860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are... there are lots of books about arithmetic, mroman < 1403122392 13252 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1403122399 239982 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a difference imo. < 1403122415 677729 :fcrawl!~nooodl@77.104-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should write a book about arithmetic < 1403122417 178557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... but you just analogised it to that. like, yourself. you made that comparison < 1403122426 238947 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1403122456 643864 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to learn stuff < 1403122460 139549 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not memorize stuff < 1403122499 812306 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired of memorizing the syntax of a programming language every semester and then have a final exam about where you have to find the 10 syntax errors he's hidden < 1403122503 238630 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me, learning the details of Java in a computer science course sounds like learning the details of a particular make of car in a physics class. < 1403122518 302 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just not what it's for. < 1403122537 182264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok as much as we all want to be little dijkstras, do you really want CS classes that involve: no touching computers; writing programs < 1403122541 182136 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired of memorizing what Exceptions some Java Function throws < 1403122550 909146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, do you think CS graduates should not know how to implement algorithms < 1403122572 88891 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They should know how to implement algorithms. < 1403122585 722193 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1403122651 555441 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There's a difference between teaching OOP through Java < 1403122676 731595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not defending your curriculum, I just think your broader position is untenable < 1403122685 870188 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and forcing your students to remember that notify() can throw a IllegalMonitorStateExecption < 1403122698 875359 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one teaches concepts < 1403122726 536891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think a CS curriculum should be theory divorced from practice as much as I don't think it should be practice divorced from theory. < 1403122727 525592 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not touching comptuers at all is one thing, but Java can be a bit far in the other extreme. < 1403122737 499758 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one teaches where the nut A1241 is located in a Boing 717 < 1403122772 788249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. I mean, I wouldn't pick Java. but it's probably not that bad a choice: it's incredibly popular, and has just enough abstraction to be able to actually implement things and not worry about memory safety. it's the least common denominator. it's certainly a shame, though < 1403122800 129994 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not about the language choice actually < 1403122809 418952 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more about what makes more sense teaching < 1403122828 416487 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's incredibly popular for reasons that have nothing to do with its sutability for CS classes. < 1403122846 874388 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying Java is a bad choice to teach < 1403122869 172960 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can we somehow teach students not to crank out shitty papers for the sake of cranking out shitty papers? < 1403122874 415568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: yes, but you know, grounding the lessons in what they have a good chance of using day-to-day afterwards isn't really that bad an idea. < 1403122889 23452 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :At that point, that you list three exceptions < 1403122899 269491 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ask your students which one of those are built-in in python < 1403122902 35263 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've gone to far < 1403122908 596864 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too < 1403122913 752206 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my point < 1403122959 703669 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1403123063 894680 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: how about the type of exam where I give a short program with one or two plausible errors (ones that I could make when writing the program) AND the compiler error messages (from a sane compiler with sane switches) which actually explain the errors, and the students have to understand what the compiler says and tell how to fix those one or two errors? < 1403123143 932132 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that'd be ok < 1403123152 334953 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no black/white I think < 1403123164 706964 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, you need multiple types of questions on the exam < 1403123174 526355 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading error messages is a sorely lacking skill in my experience, they should teach that in school < 1403123193 250065 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say it's important to be able to understand compiler messages from a sane compiler < 1403123210 100292 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course this requires that you use a language that has a compiler that usually gives sane error messages < 1403123221 951744 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1403123231 940202 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm aware of my bias due to frustration ;) < 1403123248 855170 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :already being very nimble in lot of programming languages < 1403123277 795339 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It drives you mad to memorize what exceptions are built-in to yet another language that happens to be taught at the university < 1403123337 73635 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to know a lot of details like that about other languages < 1403123349 610729 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not the one they decided to teach thoroughly at their university < 1403123416 819134 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not entirely bad though < 1403123422 66296 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can list it on your CV < 1403123426 714563 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you are now fluent in Java too < 1403123437 987006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: besides reading the error messages, one thing I tried to teach the students is how to debug a program by inserting printf statements to print intermediate results and check manually whether they look right < 1403123463 619391 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just isn't what I expected from my tsudy < 1403123465 259515 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*study < 1403123470 889943 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all :) < 1403123482 908107 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: "teach"? < 1403123488 751452 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably the most obvious thing to do ever < 1403123495 391562 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even easier than handling gdb < 1403123523 159697 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "tried"? < 1403123524 799028 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes. I'm mentioning the highlights here, mind you, my courses very very lousy in general. < 1403123533 15634 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tried" kinda has the conotation that it didn't work out well? :D < 1403123568 208468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to tell how it worked out really < 1403123628 828021 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1403123640 319022 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those courses weigh my conscience a bit because I might have made those mathematicians hate programming for ever, < 1403123643 650696 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes experience and exercises to debug well < 1403123666 454009 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though luckily it was the course for second year students where I did really badly, and second-years are supposed to be more resistant to bad teachers hopefully < 1403123669 799435 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I notice how some people are so convinced that the error must be somewhere around line X < 1403123677 808574 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even without having actual evidence that it's there < 1403123682 814784 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure < 1403123684 767009 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just have a hunch or I don't know < 1403123701 211908 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they are so focused on that they don't actually check what's really going on < 1403123710 961632 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one interesting episode is when I was called to find the error in a student's program, and I debugged it for like five minutes and couldn't find it, < 1403123719 326761 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at which point I asked for help on irc, < 1403123731 390702 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turned out the error was a semicolon after the closing paren of a for statement < 1403123747 67570 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably didn't notice that because that's a mistake I personally would not make < 1403123772 890092 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1403123775 290628 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I should have noticed it from the symptoms, because I did trace the execution and did see that the loop body didn't run enough times for some reason < 1403123775 477869 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once wrote < 1403123780 975607 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(foo); dooBar(); < 1403123788 977897 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with a new line in between) < 1403123807 160611 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they obvious thing to do, when dooBar() isn't executed when you expect is < 1403123810 308367 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is to rewrite it as < 1403123820 68383 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :print foo < 1403123836 233043 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(foo); dooBar < 1403123861 574489 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that checks if you programmed the condition write < 1403123881 8117 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it prints true but dooBar isn't executed < 1403123882 971203 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I'd have noticed it eventually. This was during a course so I was pressed for time and chose to ask a second pair of eyes for speedup, which was the right decision I think. < 1403123888 156776 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's most likely a damn semicolon somewhere :D < 1403123938 388211 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my own code, I'm more affraid of making the opposite mistake: adding an if condition, then getting distracted and forgetting to add a body, so it scopes the next statement which should always be executed < 1403123993 878869 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for this reason I try to type a {} right after the closing paren of the condition unless I can type the first token of the body like immediately in the next second < 1403124009 362595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I should write {} _before_ I write the closing paren < 1403124125 62791 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of like how you should never type 'rm *.o' in the shell left to right, for a mistake can turn it to 'rm *' -- you should either write it as '#rm *.o' then erase the '#', or write 'rm .o' then add the splat < 1403124154 315022 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or better, type 'echo rm -v *.o', execute it, check the result, then remove the echo and re-run < 1403124335 320816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just keep backups :P < 1403124368 967798 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: AND < 1403124371 770088 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do both < 1403124387 206404 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and keep the .o files in a separate directory < 1403124399 24993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: and remove them with 'make clear' < 1403124409 681725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: if you limit the work you can lose, then the low probability of the mistake weighted against the loss it'll incur is outweighed by the loss in productivity caused by being paranoid about everything you do < 1403124422 385758 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly try 'make -n clear' first, though make -n isn't a sure-fire way to do nothing < 1403124422 573121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everythi < 1403124424 441025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ng has a cost < 1403124430 773812 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "clear"? that makes sense but I have never seen that spelling afaik < 1403124439 374777 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure, I'm always paranoid < 1403124448 845010 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 'make clean' sorry < 1403124463 429606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: right. so you're losing more work than you would with being fast but with very good backups < 1403124479 859709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're missing out on all the potential work you could do by effectively having more time and worrying less about deleting things < 1403124489 291150 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1403124493 527413 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true < 1403124599 602773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this is just another form of "easier to ask forgiveness than permission" < 1403124683 421439 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a strange interpretation of this latter statement < 1403124690 928608 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1403124743 853977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgiveness i.e. "oops, I made a mistake and deleted all my files, please undo" < 1403124764 585244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :permission i.e. "please figure out whether I am competent enough to be deleting the right files" :) < 1403124783 458747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :permission -- check then do; forgiveness -- do then potentially recover < 1403124884 45407 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1403124912 149130 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think recovering a backup might take more time than typing a bit weird every once in a while for a specific command. < 1403124967 821231 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gn8 < 1403124991 460386 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think, though, that if you use 'rm *.o' a lot and worry about mistakinly pressing enter early, you could just make a script that does nothing but run 'rm *.o' < 1403125001 793611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: yeah, unfortunately our undo buttons aren't that great yet. this is a perennial UI problem. however, there are rather convenient things (btrfs snapshots, say) where it's really no big deal < 1403125011 199022 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's why python has indentation :) < 1403125013 269129 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And give it a short name. < 1403125016 592863 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixes a lot of these problems :D < 1403125017 226336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, for a rather common method of backing up code against rm *: git reset --hard < 1403125057 778367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly, I don't personally make that mistake anywhere near often enough to care much about the hardship of restoring afterwards... < 1403125072 249354 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obv. the solution is to switch to the fossil filesystem. < 1403125084 489819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that would be nice. have you seen NILFS? < 1403125230 186072 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's been a while since I went around looking at filesystems. < 1403125324 905257 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403125740 719371 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1403126847 869803 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403126995 173135 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403127423 991142 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403127722 343358 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1403127974 173096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1403128584 976392 :fcrawl!~nooodl@77.104-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1403128675 856925 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403129196 927337 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403129685 239820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohily < 1403129801 151955 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boerjansoir. < 1403129838 575143 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-61-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gesundhello < 1403129915 196235 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403129916 37754 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1403129916 769602 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 182200Z 29014G20KT 30SM FEW040TCU BKN090 OVC240 24/14 A2986 RMK TCU1AC5CI2 SLP113 DENSITY ALT 1200FT < 1403129933 874317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA < 1403129934 530188 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 182150Z 11004KT 9999 -RA FEW005 SCT012 BKN030 10/09 Q1009 RMK WIND 670FT 17005KT < 1403129941 547439 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come it feels so humid outside, even if it's 24 over 14? < 1403129942 336580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brr < 1403129948 646253 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403130060 480472 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go and enjoy the Norwegian summer one day... < 1403130147 356427 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want to do that? < 1403130184 483684 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it seems fun? < 1403130232 178688 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1403130266 719983 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is, I've only been in norway in the winter that I can remember < 1403130320 165843 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :once we went there in summer and came back with weird flatbread, coins with holes in them and oddly shaped candy < 1403130390 767773 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had me at coins with holes. < 1403130564 221303 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, time to sleep < 1403130641 69170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you can't remember going in summer but you did? < 1403131036 861635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm do we have coins with holes any more < 1403131068 803904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh two of them in fact < 1403131084 773308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1 and 5 nok) < 1403131122 733894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't really up to date with the recent weird candy < 1403131153 680369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for flatbread, there are probably heaps of types < 1403131156 549521 :brandonsons|2!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net NICK :brandonson < 1403131338 878185 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403131368 335519 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403131450 882688 :S1!~S1@pD9FCADF5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1403131603 74386 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403131766 192160 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't stop thinking of Erlang/Elixir+OTP as encouraging global mutable state < 1403131772 711703 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Processes seem like they're often registered with a static name < 1403131774 787031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's masculine bed that makes no sense < 1403131775 343137 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403131804 330132 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I be thinking of (some) supervisors almost like factories? Call a function with the supervisor and the supervisor can create a child and return its PID? Is that a normal flow? < 1403131815 373240 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been wondering how to make supervised children dynamically for so long < 1403131844 533422 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403131848 862986 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403131856 470276 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not my problem. our object genders are correctly and obviously assigned :P < 1403131866 675173 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: OCCLUSAL CHICKEN < 1403131989 75061 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose I have a simple_one_for_one to do exactly this. Is that simple_one_for_one generally registered? (a.k.a global state) < 1403132095 344911 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the wrong place to ask Erlang questions? < 1403132108 847208 :S1!~S1@pD9FCADF5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 30.0/20140608211810] < 1403132125 309213 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403132129 625818 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-61-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any of us even know erlang < 1403132176 369891 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Vorpal? < 1403132203 783313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal isn't here < 1403132219 303209 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but #esoteric is more of a stream of consciousness channel for Sgeo, i think < 1403132278 36319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <Sgeo> Is this the wrong place to ask Erlang questions? < 1403132311 300899 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People here answer questions about all sorts of non-esoteric languages, so I guess I kind of figured < 1403132626 783157 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1403132666 531620 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1403132753 298171 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1403132755 414926 :brandonson!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I always thought of globally registered supervisors/actors as a little odd, but often a necessary evil. Passing around a PID to everything seemed a bit like overkill. < 1403132790 321064 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Practically every example I've seen uses them though < 1403132804 373575 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the non-global registered way to do normal stuff? < 1403132815 367738 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403132864 999933 :brandonson!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Passing around PIDs I think. I just hate the extra parameter cause without static typing I always mix the order of params up :P < 1403132917 554145 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm not dynamically registering children, how do I make a gen_server that there should in most circumstances be one of and have the supervisor supervise it? < 1403132933 72723 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just trying to understand how passing around PIDs interacts with the supervision tree < 1403133144 450604 :brandonson!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You'd generally have the supervisor create children when it's created and send you the PIDs if you need them, I think. Little sketchy on my knowledge here though, I'm more familiar with akka/scala actors. < 1403133172 264509 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I get the top level supervisor of my application? < 1403133426 682071 :brandonson!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's likely the original actor that you create, so you can pass it as a parameter to anything that needs it and then store it as state. I don't think many actors need it though, you're more likely to need the PIDs for supervisors/workers that perform whatever tasks an actor needs done. < 1403133508 822208 :brandonson!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The top level actor/supervisor is almost always/always always your error kernel that really should never fail, so you don't want too many things touching it. < 1403134058 723517 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1403134064 644364 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this gif adequate, or is there something I can improve? http://corewar.co.uk/32.gif < 1403134066 365451 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1403134172 990986 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It demonstrates an imp moving through memory (a single instruction program that copies itself one instruction ahead, then executes the new copy) < 1403134179 959965 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-61-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it. < 1403134188 211450 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-61-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems reasonably smooth < 1403134254 816482 :brandonson!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: looks good < 1403134395 296243 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brandonson, bike: thanks :-) I just look at it and think it could be done better, but I've no idea how! < 1403134404 903936 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was made in GIMP < 1403134415 281049 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-61-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear polytone knows a thing or two about gifs < 1403134426 465773 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-217.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1403134463 511595 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-217.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1403134463 698840 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1403134967 715543 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1403135215 330442 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403135426 905430 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:68aa:ae75:2bf2:e88a JOIN :#esoteric < 1403135725 327092 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403135813 999445 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:68aa:ae75:2bf2:e88a QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403135850 873832 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403136001 573021 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403136137 340818 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403136185 64416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah i run out of moisturizing cream and the itching on my hands immediately drives me crazy < 1403136223 906576 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403136516 605326 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1403136787 891594 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-61-225.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403137643 524583 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-109.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403137912 491345 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-109.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403138361 518668 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403138457 122217 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back from the dentist. my mouth is now metalless! < 1403138526 2292 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations! < 1403138615 98858 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels incredibly weird to suddenly not have a metal wire running behind one's teeth. < 1403138660 886292 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-109.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403139010 396545 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1403139048 161861 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I had a new set of impressions made. next week I'll get a bite splint. < 1403139214 534891 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1403139302 735404 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( I wonder what's the MRSP of a jug of alginate ) < 1403139482 123785 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. a quick search turns out that a pound of dental alginate runs for about 12 bucks. < 1403139663 851212 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-109.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403139741 590028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck MRSP < 1403139753 882868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1403139759 63962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google MRSP < 1403139760 457205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.abbreviations.com/MRSP < 1403139760 644425 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: What does MRSP stand for? < 1403139767 887717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :VERY USEFUL < 1403139769 358877 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-46-228.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403139843 843183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not sure any of those fit boily's sentence < 1403139869 600138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that one < 1403140089 569602 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403140094 176267 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck MRSP < 1403140094 364105 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MrsP.com is a free children's entertainment website. It stars actress Kathy Kinney as Mrs. P, a redheaded Irishwoman who reads classic children's stories from her "Magic Library." The target audience for the website is kids between the ages of 3-12, and its goal is to "encourage a lifetime love of reading." It has no advertising and no subscription fees. The site is produced by Mrs P Enterprises, LLC and was created by Kinney, who played Mimi on The < 1403140099 635340 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeeeeh... < 1403140109 67335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly what you meant < 1403140112 995655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now in agora: a bug that people exploit by voting, retracting their vote, then revoting in the opposite way. < 1403140144 773372 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the exploit being? < 1403140260 838628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reward for having voted opposite of the outcome of a proposal < 1403140280 125561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a bug in the phrasing that was _supposed_ to exclude retractions. < 1403140350 639415 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elegant. < 1403140553 257894 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should get back into Agora someday < 1403140590 329344 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-46-228.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403140634 517355 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: which proposal? I'm curious < 1403140691 866298 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-12.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403140698 378185 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or was the rule in question present June 3rd? < 1403140745 621784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule 2421/3 < 1403140804 490661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't recall exactly when it was amended < 1403140821 791949 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you should < 1403140823 664432 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's happening again < 1403140831 841157 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm atm writing a really good judgment < 1403140886 906710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, all proposals. < 1403140901 789602 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! < 1403140915 221650 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tricked me for a moment into thinking there wasn't a bug < 1403140969 379326 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, didn't it :) < 1403140991 927982 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody noticed until my proposal to reenact the same text < 1403141160 727271 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I was thinking I didn't touch Agora since 2008, but I got involved for a bit last year < 1403141282 328420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it during the anniversary celebration? < 1403141377 656097 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Around that time but unrelated to it. Was trying an Ambassador scam < 1403141388 520460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1403141462 529669 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, apparently Agora XX was involved in a counterscam < 1403141814 807190 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PAIRED CHICKEN < 1403141817 121189 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403144883 836706 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-12.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403145126 646776 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang/Tcl comparison time: Both Erlang and Tcl have mutable objects be not automatically GCed, while some immutable objects get GCed automatically < 1403145272 657378 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-133.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403145307 937450 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you can still go to ancient Greek gathering places? < 1403145366 192700 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude's name is giving me flashbacks to that M person in B < 1403145381 498136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: http://agoranomic.org/ < 1403145403 269803 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People are already asking me if I'm a fat guy's sense of motivation. < 1403145417 179593 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1403145439 435196 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.whompcomic.com/ < 1403145468 505443 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403145489 659260 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Strictly speaking, Tcl has *no* GC whatsoever. < 1403145515 560294 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought strings were GCed? < 1403145533 644484 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl's semantics are such that there can't be cyclic references, so for simplicity's sake it reference counts instead. < 1403145544 353547 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1403145595 557743 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-133.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403145601 517210 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1403146570 719044 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help im arguing with someone online, i don't want to be the asshole who argues with people online < 1403146649 301395 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I t hink that you shouldn't do that, and are a bad person for doing it. < 1403146711 285239 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, my reluctance to argue with people who directly contradict me may be hurting me at my job < 1403146808 477898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't! < 1403147146 104113 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403147354 763876 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403148186 546310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: it was _Liking What You See: A Documentary_ by Ted Chiang < 1403148203 647069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether the text is online. < 1403148209 73658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ibooksonline.com/88/Text/liking.html exists but has terrible formatting. < 1403148267 683761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exists but you don't like what you see < 1403148289 75521 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Are you arguing online with someone you work with at your job? < 1403148310 772908 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Separate arguments, but technically both are online < 1403148311 330479 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you just need to pracice argue so you're a better arguer at work? < 1403148330 893149 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The work one's through email, this other one's through Reddit < 1403148339 919979 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ah, I see < 1403148343 688939 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't read it :/ sorry < 1403148350 402345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, whoa, whoa < 1403148367 286702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no reason to apologize < 1403148400 220980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i asked because i thought you were ignoring my questions about it and i didn't want to be bugging you if you weren't interested < 1403148401 289478 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I said I would :P < 1403148403 799586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this is a different channel < 1403148409 248312 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it wasn't intentional ignoring < 1403148413 415350 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about that < 1403148414 527857 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://glacierpeak.sno.wednet.edu/teachers/bjuhl/docs/Soph%20English/Second%20Semester/Alienation,%20Tolerance,%20Cyrano/Related%20Poems,%20Articles,%20Short%20Stories,%20Etc/Liking%20What%20You%20See%20Portrait%20Version.doc might be slightly better, if more convoluted. < 1403148419 131841 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm barely at my computer these days < 1403148430 110169 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :check up on it every so often, get into a chat or two and then go elsewhere < 1403148451 751950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think kmc recommended it too < 1403148456 996964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's not in this channel anymore, though < 1403148470 88963 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh why'd he leave? :( < 1403148546 628198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not the person to ask < 1403148663 26688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is he gone completely < 1403148807 164657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well he's on freenode somewhere < 1403148994 812395 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity < 1403150192 280800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1403150272 65753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: what have you been doing < 1403150284 198521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :people things < 1403150327 786422 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm, working a lot, traveling to visit gf (she matched, graduated, went to china, just moved, and I did much of that with her), hanging out with work colleagues, stuff like that < 1403150358 809811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :matched? < 1403150373 93292 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :residency match program for med students < 1403150397 319592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1403150397 619928 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :giant algorithm matching people to hospitals they'll spend the next few years in < 1403150435 922053 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hoiwlyfukfewpabn QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403150542 936125 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lrodlyxtugjxaywy JOIN :#esoteric < 1403150700 193663 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lrodlyxtugjxaywy QUIT :Client Quit < 1403150808 202459 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of context that sounds like it might be way to decide how to beat people up very bad. < 1403151703 52066 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1403152866 69494 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1403152938 658624 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1403153610 831676 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function < 1403154955 920094 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403155961 664344 :Aetherspawn-!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-osxfpqrozvxljdid JOIN :#esoteric < 1403156278 117069 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, in a theorem prover thingie, what exactly is a "tactic"? I swear i've heard about such things. < 1403156443 200303 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a proof search algorithm < 1403156558 680590 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you elaborate. < 1403156711 888755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of elaboration < 1403156727 261877 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something a silly person like me could perhaps begin to understand. < 1403156806 976091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program that tries to write a proof term for a certain subset of propositions < 1403156819 47047 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/sf/current/toc.html provides a reasonable introduction < 1403156823 173697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually in some ugly turing-complete language, no real hard guarantees < 1403157016 927078 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1403157084 269779 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if i should just try going through this damn thing, i have enough books already < 1403157105 759552 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you start of with a statement of what you want a functions type to be, and you have some other functions which can do parts of the solution for that function, giving you a simpler type (goal) to work towards < 1403157119 133652 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like an interactive program solver.. you nudge it along and it does a lot of the grunt work < 1403157134 809731 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wont have to go very far in SF before you learn what a tactic is < 1403157144 101622 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SF? < 1403157151 116781 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this book. < 1403157152 308267 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sf/current/toc.html book < 1403157174 905548 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i kind of don't want to read about booleans for the billionth time. especially since i'm probably never going to use coq. you know? < 1403157197 669622 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1403157318 501434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :booleans? < 1403157325 879231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coq doesn't really involve all that many of those < 1403157335 73079 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sf starts out with a few boolean examples < 1403157340 446176 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont worry, it goes quickly from there < 1403157346 996376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you may like chlipala's CPDT < 1403157352 775344 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just glancing at the table of contents, with enumerated data types < 1403157358 117704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has nicer proof style than SF < 1403157361 216253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://adam.chlipala.net/cpdt/ < 1403157378 362219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the coq manual :p < 1403157395 157049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(heavy tactics focus) < 1403157408 125145 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I just ask things here? < 1403157423 982007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, if you want. I'm too tired to answer questions though. < 1403157443 595048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime elliott < 1403157444 928428 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Thu Jun 19 06:57:23 2014 < 1403157457 11141 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's super basic. like, you said tactics are in some ugly imperative language, so presumably they're outside of the coq system, not written in coq? < 1403157477 699490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're in a metalanguage as part of the coq system < 1403157484 573446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though they can also be written in ocaml, like the built-in ones are < 1403157714 8286 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this "coq reference manual" which may or may not be what you just linked might be what i want < 1403157819 217408 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sf has this as an example: "Theorem plus_O_n : ∀n : nat, 0 + n = n. Proof. intros n. reflexivity. Qed." the intros n and reflexivity are steps to do the proof? like we start with the 0 + n thing, intros n fires, that gets you something else (probably n = n), then reflexivity fires and reduces it to true? < 1403157870 810365 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah, "intros" and "reflexitivity" are tactics. < 1403157908 583459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I was joking when I called CPDT the Coq manual. < 1403157913 380617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like the Coq manual they forgot to write. < 1403157915 520116 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1403157918 787944 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i am also tired. < 1403157951 226473 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should try to load the SF example in proof general, and step through the proof.. for each stepp it will show you what is known in the environment and what the goal is < 1403157959 431185 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1403157960 185858 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the tactics "intros" and "reflexivity" will update those < 1403157967 783551 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can single step through the proof that way interactively < 1403157989 723032 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a shame there is no "live coq" web site that lets you do this online < 1403157991 855587 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, why not (besides that i haven't installed an emacs mode in so long) < 1403158047 229966 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blugh my distro doesn't have coq in the main repos < 1403158057 917605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1403158059 64115 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can prob find a livecd to boot in a virtual machine < 1403158139 565248 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, it's in the AUR. not hard to install or anything, but a bit annoying < 1403158147 684199 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it comes with some IDE for some reason? whatever, less work maybe < 1403158221 289033 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it looks like there are some SF youtube vids < 1403158231 777332 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they would have good walktrhoughs of some proofs < 1403158277 689206 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking at this for weird reasons nobody here would probably like < 1403158344 701156 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the great thing about knowledge, we dont have to approve < 1403158520 570786 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you say that now, but watch me use coq to sink california < 1403158873 380497 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're working for a hedge fund? < 1403161327 170185 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1403161390 408731 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1403161390 408886 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^coins < 1403161429 697618 :Effilry!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403161603 979656 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hoping for something like: 3100,182,4,10001coin 10866,3582,22002,22002coin 192,1051,25,1056coin 11652,22252,23004,22002coin 8500,,4, 3001,,,coin < 1403161610 897310 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1403161617 832483 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :3100,182,4,10001coin 10866,3582,22002,22002coin 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:#esoteric < 1403167081 571142 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1403167149 601554 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1403167553 24100 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403167656 411172 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403167764 270512 :Patashu_!Helix@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403168662 564944 :password2!~password@197.78.206.224 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403169242 980470 :nooodl!~nooodl@77.104-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403170401 624166 :nooodl!~nooodl@77.104-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1403171398 367856 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1403172256 870923 :barrucad1!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu NICK :barrucadu < 1403172940 599879 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403174286 603752 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403174308 596027 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403175683 958251 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PLASMA CHICKEN < 1403177261 451193 :Effilry!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BANCcoin? < 1403177332 439579 :Effilry!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1403177332 494345 :Effilry!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1403177341 478085 :Effilry!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly NICK :FireFly < 1403177547 327805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1403177665 953046 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403177670 669502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we: go. < 1403177671 955683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1403177673 248393 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08bizobcoin 09pbocoin 02qweverpacoin 06rutcrtlcoin 13vowelcoin 04jumcoin 07kethaxcoin 08twositcoin 09fitcoin 02auticonformcoin 06jash-01coin 13haniacoin 04tediumbraincoin 07hunkatorecoin 08omecoin 09thestaicoin 02chocoin 06velacoin 13palcoin 04revoycoin < 1403177702 953949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Couldn't you take care of your fellow bots? < 1403177703 830413 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so the way it does and it reports a problem on 1 exercise... 1 exercise i really dont have a clue understand his point ( because the fnord one that chances are if you never exit? that book sucks. < 1403177782 861249 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (3 `LTE` 5) (tactics search) < 1403177784 28909 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04lteSucc (04lteSucc (04lteSucc 04lteZero)) : 12LTE 043 045 < 1403177842 530999 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ↑ The search tactic in Idris mostly just tries constructors, which works for simple things like this. < 1403179111 852131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks < 1403179121 817320 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1403179123 52281 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04timensifticcoin 07andcoin 08rubicoin 09eodcoin 02poikecoin 06wailcoin 13morascoin 04contcoin 07dobeycoin 08quotecoin 09spiuntinecoin 02mismcoin 06monecoin 13existcoin 04agrtecoin 07boarceacoin 08braincoin 09illgaudeliumcoin 02factcoin 06tapascoin < 1403179128 255643 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style BANCStar < 1403179128 344425 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1403179265 344967 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403180338 223058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1403180542 127187 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :overheared coworker in meeting room saying "it's all the same because it's Turing complete" < 1403180693 544345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: just start giving him code in befunge hth < 1403180698 590255 :polytone_!~monotone@room208.org NICK :monotone < 1403180712 644992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*funge-98 < 1403181124 416548 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is funge-98 the one with bounded memory? < 1403181133 781448 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or only bounded code space? < 1403181137 333112 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check the wiki < 1403181309 679626 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1403181328 372818 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, funge-98 allows arbitrary playfield dimensions, < 1403181586 596640 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if my old olvashato language counts as esoteric < 1403181606 62506 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't designed to be difficult to program in, so it might not count < 1403181684 818550 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look up the official definition < 1403181705 777746 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An esoteric programming language is a computer programming language designed to experiment with weird ideas, to be hard to program in, or as a joke, rather than for practical use." -- I could argue either way < 1403181984 590457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/node/The_Aesthetics_of_Esolangs is my preferred vague definition of esoteric, I think < 1403181984 752451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can a language whose name means "readable" be esoteric that's absurd < 1403182218 931114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why won't ó work on google's pages in my browser < 1403182256 600976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ´ accents at all < 1403182312 939557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i corrected to funge-98 to make it clear i meant the tc variant. < 1403182332 616339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, less un-tc. not sure if there are still some limits. < 1403182361 287649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :funge-98 is at least as-TC-as-C, I think < 1403182363 531879 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: too late to rename < 1403182369 437669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1403182370 98995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has enough holes that there's probably something TC hiding in there < 1403182376 803418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with fingerprints < 1403182509 687989 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the original purpose was to make a language in which I write ugly source code, and it's compiled to readable standard ml and readable prolog code; but I sort of ran out of time and the readable part got dropped so now the compiled code is even more ugly than the original < 1403182548 59091 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be able to make the output a bit more readable if I fix the indenting (though that's not trivial) and throw in some peep-hole beautification rules < 1403182570 482049 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it already has some of the latter, but needs more) < 1403182576 261137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <b_jonas> oerjan: the original purpose was to make a language in which I write ugly source code, and it's compiled to readable standard ml and readable prolog code; but I sort of ran out of time and < 1403182577 728565 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1207) <b_jonas> oerjan: the original purpose was to make a language in which I write ugly source code, and it's compiled to readable standard ml and readable prolog code; but I sort of ran out of time and < 1403182580 333425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : the readable part got dropped so now the compiled code is even < 1403182582 920607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : more ugly than the original < 1403182589 975113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1403182595 432292 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1403182600 635585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody irssi line merging worked half-way < 1403182632 281644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <b_jonas> oerjan: the original purpose was to make a language in which I write ugly source code, and it's compiled to readable standard ml and readable prolog code; but I sort of ran out of time and the readable part got dropped so now the compiled code is even more ugly than the original < 1403182633 747698 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1207) <b_jonas> oerjan: the original purpose was to make a language in which I write ugly source code, and it's compiled to readable standard ml and readable prolog code; but I sort of ran out of time and the readable part got dropped so now the compiled code is even more ugly than the original < 1403182662 643340 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff's already here, for ages: http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/olvashato/ < 1403182666 705657 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with not much docs < 1403182839 477687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty sure using ruby to compile something into prolog and sml is blasphemic hth < 1403182857 986295 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1403182906 790240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because sml is the language that's supposed to be good for implementing compilers in < 1403182948 412128 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? I thought sml is supposed to be a general-purpose language with definition available only in some expensive book < 1403182990 257094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is general purpose, but ml was _created_ for implementing other languages in < 1403183000 155596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name stands for "meta-language" < 1403183009 786808 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaiz how do I computer < 1403183049 413040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course ocaml and haskell are also good examples, being similar in the ways that matter. < 1403183051 912755 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to write over some text of console, but so far nothing works D: < 1403183067 308429 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither fflush nor printf("\b") nor ncurses < 1403183095 750607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm how much has sml been hurt in recent years by being closed-documentation < 1403183110 465096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is just wondering < 1403183143 320949 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah_: try printf("\b\x7f") to overpunch the character with delete so the column is skipped when the tape is read back < 1403183153 460148 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall try < 1403183171 542878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect prolog is also good to write implementations in. erlang was originally written in it? < 1403183201 920551 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, it just writes \x7f as the unicode character 007f < 1403183242 989765 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I did consider writing an interpreter in prolog and one in sml plus only a minimal translator that translates the syntax of the program to a data structure in the input syntax of those two languages < 1403183246 471284 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403183273 363552 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(such as pushes parenthesis and throws in some commas) < 1403183282 853815 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I decide it wouldn't be simpler < 1403183312 777138 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'd likely lose points the result because it's interpreted crap < 1403183341 120483 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I think I see < 1403183352 24496 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to use \r instead of \n in hthe text < 1403183405 302869 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except now only one line displays instead of the three < 1403183409 934725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hm it looks lispy < 1403183410 347494 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How bothersome < 1403183438 834169 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, in particular it's like scheme in that the head of function calls are evaluated the same as other parts < 1403183446 421353 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1403183448 753111 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they? < 1403183450 439012 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check < 1403183477 586728 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite the opposite < 1403183492 955283 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's common lispy in that the head of function calls is evaluated differently than the arguments < 1403183500 316749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp-2, check < 1403183520 422924 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why there's a primitive function |call| just like in clisp < 1403183546 615957 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the |let| builtin has a syntax different from lisps < 1403183661 694042 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's implementable as a lisp macro, but has an unnatural syntax < 1403183691 869736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here i though b_jonas was your real name < 1403184191 395773 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403185713 369764 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403185976 113411 :password2!~password@197.78.206.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403187365 894546 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1403188078 990922 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1403188634 996430 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1403188722 532423 :brandonson!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403188758 609263 :brandonson!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403188786 709212 :brandonson!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403188806 260812 :brandonson!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403188930 845739 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1403190475 981361 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403190871 317164 :Aetherspawn-!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-osxfpqrozvxljdid QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1403192047 444461 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1403192523 517559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403192803 37725 :olsner_!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't remember going, I remember coming back < 1403192906 740007 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403193204 379260 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1403193497 829847 :olsner_!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se NICK :olsner < 1403193677 62872 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403193773 527151 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403194319 185840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Yay money < 1403194570 469706 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1403194858 990068 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zoncjovtrywmodxq JOIN :#esoteric < 1403196867 476658 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-21632.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1403196964 247931 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :gabensale2014 < 1403198266 160337 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1403199564 973865 :gabensale2014!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^0 < 1403199605 326358 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1403199835 966979 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403201339 831123 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-21632.home.otenet.gr QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201341 546317 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201342 657181 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201346 457255 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201349 708513 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201357 604110 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201359 387670 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201384 282592 :barrucadu!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201393 604417 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201395 676799 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201404 223497 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201433 846024 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201434 512217 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201435 603994 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201439 685317 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201448 691343 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201449 300734 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201451 200220 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201458 743711 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201469 248139 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zoncjovtrywmodxq QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201505 633175 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201508 129358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201514 529126 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201534 503680 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201535 523949 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201539 964882 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201540 636686 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201541 81527 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201544 860972 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201546 331754 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201552 748694 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201567 777485 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201585 925289 :kyhwana!kyhwana@snowleopard.kyhwana.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201589 386051 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-kabfjjybaleettsh QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201595 754035 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201605 868896 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201630 570196 :douglass!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201634 261108 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201639 507933 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201652 243343 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201654 915222 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201656 226419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201656 407715 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403201658 951860 :^0!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split > 1403201666 744528 JOIN :#esoteric > 1403201670 854461 JOIN :#esoteric > 1403201671 370373 JOIN :#esoteric > 1403201713 575747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201714 243917 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1403201717 700850 JOIN :#esoteric > 1403201718 215156 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201785 902282 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201786 53136 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201786 53270 :brandonson!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201786 53335 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201786 53398 :17SAAFGOG!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201786 53462 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201786 53524 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201786 53585 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201786 53646 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201786 53708 :jj2baile!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201786 53771 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201786 53832 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201786 53893 :`^_^v!~nycs@ip-216-46-79-198.dsl.nyc.megapath.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201786 54009 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201786 54072 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201786 54134 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201786 54195 :vyv!~vyv@70.51.217.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201786 54256 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201786 54319 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201786 54379 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201786 54439 :Speed`!~Speed@evile.thrash.im JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201786 54553 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uccykrdyqknfxinm JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201786 54615 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403201853 537504 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1403201853 887285 :17SAAFGOG!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1403201854 156821 :jj2baile!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1403202771 533948 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1403202788 108129 :`^_^v!~nycs@ip-216-46-79-198.dsl.nyc.megapath.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1403202793 399623 :brandonson!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1403202812 266624 :`^_^v!~nycs@ip-216-46-79-198.dsl.nyc.megapath.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403202839 319971 :brandonson!~brandonso@173.180.174.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403202877 334794 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1403204672 502131 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403205179 518619 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:bdf7:1f45:19d:6f0b JOIN :#esoteric < 1403205233 735038 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:bdf7:1f45:19d:6f0b QUIT :Client Quit < 1403206261 779779 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1403206362 456294 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-97.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403206482 505250 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-103.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403206755 733261 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1403206801 113648 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote midsummer < 1403206801 645466 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1403206907 577301 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote night's < 1403206908 115700 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1403206913 998876 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote dream < 1403206914 550541 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :147) <zzo38> catseye: Please wake up. Not recorded for this timezone. The big spider is not your dream \ 230) <nddrylliog> back to legal tender, that expression really makes me daydream. Like, there'd be black-market tender. Out-of-town hug shops where people exchange tenderness you've NEVER SEEN BEFORE. \ 240) <Phantom__Hoover> Gregor, yeah, but P < 1403206919 280207 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fixed pattern < 1403206919 809556 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :358) <olsner> as always in sweden everything goes to a fixed pattern: thursday is queueing at systembolaget to get beer and schnaps, friday is pickled herring, schnaps and dancing the frog dance around the phallos, saturday is dedicated to being hung over < 1403206966 137656 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 240 < 1403206966 654948 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :240) <Phantom__Hoover> Gregor, yeah, but Purdue has poultry science facilities beyond the dreams of avarice. < 1403207056 916752 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I did the systembolaget yesterday, 5 minutes before closing when it was empty, so I neatly evaded the queueing < 1403207282 345782 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, someone just pointed out that the frog dance is likely a jab at the french, imported from english derogative use of "frog" (but frog doesn't really mean that in swedish) < 1403207293 799111 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also danced to a french march < 1403207583 943100 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403207864 560361 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403207940 778923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the name "systembolaget". < 1403208152 119511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't find the etymology in the (English) 'pedia. < 1403208171 526514 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-103.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403208194 562286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our counterpart is just called "Alko", which is very boring. < 1403208260 881665 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-111-165.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403208270 522183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Norwegian version has a refreshingly direct name. ("Vinmonopolet".) < 1403208327 967649 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, exactly what it says, it's pretty nice < 1403208413 160708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"During the 1939-40 Winter War the company [Alko, or Oy Alkoholiliike Ab as it was then called] mass-produced molotov cocktails for the Finnish military, production totalling 450,000 units" heh < 1403208456 102414 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that "system" comes from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothenburg_Public_House_System < 1403208471 702061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1403208632 508398 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403208667 777339 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403208667 927603 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1403209516 550016 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :applybot: help < 1403209516 703513 :applybot!~applybot@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric : Meta-commands: colour context help info load* restart shutdown* state timeout* undo unicode unload* \ Isabelle commands: apply by declare defer definition done find_theorems fun function lemma oops prefer primrec quickcheck term termination thm try0 typ unfolding using value < 1403209830 502334 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1403210877 53665 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403210932 394673 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1403211676 777883 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403212113 143797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1403212392 561818 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1403212412 570894 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1403212417 601530 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :applybot: state < 1403212418 143289 :applybot!~applybot@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in a proof. < 1403212434 907597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Prove something. < 1403212435 105248 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: src/ ip.h or is it < 1403212455 732802 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ls -lah src < 1403212456 32814 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: damn. he got that. but still patch of green where medialab extension is supposed to < 1403212813 327807 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1403212813 478877 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403212993 469583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :applybot: country < 1403212993 657695 :applybot!~applybot@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric : *** Unrecognized command < 1403213220 300344 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403213323 83921 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1403213340 472788 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1403214112 608470 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :applybot: info < 1403214112 758791 :applybot!~applybot@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric : Loaded theories: Main "~~/src/HOL/Library/Code_Target_Nat" "~~/src/HOL/Number_Theory/Primes" \ 0 lines in session. \ Command timeout is 20 s. \ Unicode translation disabled. \ Colour output disabled. < 1403214146 780129 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :applybot: help state < 1403214146 930646 :applybot!~applybot@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric : state: Show the state of the current proof (if there is one). < 1403214190 505980 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :applyvot: context < 1403214202 320819 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :applybot: help context < 1403214202 480910 :applybot!~applybot@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric : context [N]: Show the most recent (N) lines in this session. < 1403214222 223949 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :applybot context 10 < 1403214234 883734 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :applybot: context 10 < 1403214235 34517 :applybot!~applybot@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric : Beginning of theory. < 1403214261 109969 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :applybot: help term < 1403214261 260332 :applybot!~applybot@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric : term: Isabelle command < 1403214276 389869 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :applybot: help Isabelle < 1403214276 608709 :applybot!~applybot@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric : Unknown command: Isabelle < 1403214289 718284 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :applybot: fungot < 1403214289 903965 :applybot!~applybot@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric : *** Unrecognized command < 1403214290 54095 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: in the matter... things will fnord down after this week hopefully. < 1403214603 349496 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403214658 475883 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403214709 206233 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck MSRP < 1403214709 489915 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1403214751 881920 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1403215345 516320 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? b_jonas < 1403215346 83615 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1403215366 108864 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an sudden opportunity appears! b_jonas, how would you wisdomically describe yourself? < 1403215449 708358 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07AlphaBeta14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39860&oldid=34593 5* 03188.192.76.116 5* (+257) 10Added Lua implementation from Michael Armbruster < 1403215825 551844 :nooodl!~nooodl@77.104-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403216925 459626 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: INDIAN CHICKEN < 1403216927 862070 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403217567 301681 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403217759 447371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403218526 736538 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403219371 73007 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck help < 1403219389 901669 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck metasepia < 1403219413 302956 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6907:95b3:c8c4:65b6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403219415 37096 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, metasepia has left. < 1403219495 799222 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? metasepia < 1403219496 466606 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :metasepia knows the weather at your nearest airport, and also something about ducks. < 1403219608 975938 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? MDude < 1403219609 620963 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1403219632 416855 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn MDude is just a dude, with an M's courage. < 1403219634 7620 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1403219867 950422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure he's not a million dudes < 1403220004 233168 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:6907:95b3:c8c4:65b6 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1403220093 694915 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be pretty cool. < 1403220142 829119 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who was that person in B who blatantly had no idea about anything in the rules? < 1403220177 912564 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what B is, so if I was in it I clearly had no idea. < 1403220210 350333 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? B < 1403220211 4503 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :B? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1403220221 698215 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that serves as proof that MDude was that person in B < 1403220274 342886 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty strong evidence. < 1403220282 736134 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403220548 388649 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :M P Darke < 1403220807 453856 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403221046 368486 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403221212 467870 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403221514 158087 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1403222140 999878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh i now have _four_ tabs with shtetl-optimized comment threads open that i haven't managed to finish... < 1403222198 295671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even once. i sometimes go back to old ones to check for new comments.) < 1403222250 982350 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that F# monad tutorial that doesn't say 'monad' about monads in general or just the Error monad? < 1403222283 663612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really a thinly disguised burrito cookbook hth < 1403222358 487133 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.calcentral.com/~monadrailway/Monad/Welcome.html < 1403222459 232854 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403222588 279741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...someone top posted in one of the comment threads... < 1403223465 193467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay finally managed to close one of the tabs < 1403224449 801293 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1403224538 421225 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403224683 931579 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403225202 144768 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1403227581 591779 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403227604 405151 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi everybody, I am here again! < 1403227685 595136 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody available here? < 1403227686 78064 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-111-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Fossil, I am also here. < 1403227694 239556 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, hello Bike! < 1403227712 293492 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am happy because You here again, too. < 1403227764 56610 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you go to my webpage, the parancssor.info/forum , you can see, that I changed the language from Hungary to English. < 1403227824 531547 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, Yesterday here in this channel the community was nice, and all peoples said that my english knowledge not too bad, enough good to understand it. < 1403227862 9443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we forgot something yesterday... < 1403227865 518459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Fossil < 1403227866 346120 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08Fossil: 09Welcome 02to 06the 13international 04hub 07for 08esoteric 09programming 02language 06design 13and 04deployment! 07For 08more 09information, 02check 06out 13our 04wiki: 07<http://esolangs.org/>. 08(For 09the 02other 06kind 13of 04esoterica, 07try 08#esoteric 09on 02irc.dal.net.) < 1403227886 854337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually HackEgo maybe wasn't here) < 1403227906 665059 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I arrived at a decision, that I finish my hungarian language publications, and begin it in English. < 1403227934 930710 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello oerjan! < 1403227940 583600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they say, your english is better than our hungarian < 1403227982 171366 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? Excuse me, I dont understand enough good: Now my english is understable or not? < 1403228005 95951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite understandable < 1403228017 692209 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, I begun translate the documentation of my mau language from hungarian to (my bad) English... < 1403228119 833676 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If You want, I can now copy to here lines by lines the first few parts of the translated documentation, for verifying, your community find it enough good "human readable", or not. < 1403228285 506412 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No reply? < 1403228356 905455 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing answer? < 1403228357 837725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but not too much at once < 1403228383 828651 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, attention please! I begin it. < 1403228411 701423 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mau programming language Version number: 16 Release date: 2014.06.13 The official webpage and forum of the mau programming language: http://parancssor.info M@U "The programming language with efficient line noise" < 1403228422 578677 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and scrawls... < 1403228441 409343 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should know, that the mau interpreter is female, therefore her personal pronoun is "she"... Compiling options of the mau language Type simple: make Then come into existence the binary file named mau and this is the mau interpreter. Now you should to copy it into a directory, which is available in the $PATH variable of your operating system. < 1403228452 29776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the @ in M@U official? < 1403228476 327317 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1403228503 274516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait i seem to remember that hungarian has ungendered pronouns :P < 1403228519 118705 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The M@U is only a "slogan", an ascii-art picture symbol < 1403228568 111109 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you re well, in hungarian no difference between she he and it. But this is significant in an english documentation... < 1403228625 329997 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In hungarian, she and he is: "ő", and lot of times the "it" equal "ő" too, if not, then it=az. < 1403228653 176723 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I continue the copy of documentation. < 1403228654 433118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned a very little bit of hungarian once, so i remember that. < 1403228657 724142 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mau interpreter has built-in support of the handling of the special flags of the "ext" filesystems, therefore she need the ext2 header files. They available usually in the program-pack named generally „e2fsprogs” in the Linux program-economy (or something alike). This files consequently are dependencies of the mau language—quasi. But they are only seeming, supposed dependencies, because if we not use ext filesystem, we can c < 1403228704 435709 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the following steps: in the first lines of the vz.h file search this line: #define EXT2ATTRIBUTUMOK change to this: // #define EXT2ATTRIBUTUMOK or erase it fully. < 1403228714 386479 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case she not claim the ext2 header files, and the e2fsprogs pack. But, of course, in exchange, if we all the same run a mau program which would like handling this ext2 flags, then they running will broken, and the interpreter will tie-up, with this error message: < 1403228724 837735 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOG:> 2014.04.03 23:07:12 : E mau interpreter ext2 filerendszer támogatás nélkül lett lefordítva, emiatt nem képes beolvasni az ext filerendszer-specifikus flageket! < 1403228748 587055 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Additionally, the mau interpreter has as optional dependency the X server. This mean, that in the vz.h file exist this compiler directive: < 1403228756 866674 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define X11INTEGRATION < 1403228767 47572 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hereat she claim certain header files for the handling possibilities of a some X functions. For ekzample the reading of the clipboard-content. In so far as we no claim this ability of her, then we can erase from the vz.h file the line written above, also in the Makefile file we should rewrite line: < 1403228773 162624 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIBS = -ldl -lX11 -lXmu < 1403228783 320714 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as we trim from its end the last two parameters, i.e. should fall behin only this: < 1403228787 930305 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIBS = -ldl < 1403228800 703000 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over and above, the mau interpreter is aware support for multiple architecture. In principle, at least... In effect, nowadays she is operable under the platform of the X86 32 & 64 bits only. She is compilable without any extremelly action, but in the 64 bit version the „long double” variables are stored in 16 bytes, on the other hand in the 32 bits version only in 12 bytes. < 1403228812 231696 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sign the variable type, which join in the mau language to the #D casting operator. In this case, all mau program using this variable type should work without a hitch, smooth, but this size-abatement apparently issue in lower precision, sorry! < 1403228820 449935 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If somebody would probe to porting this language to other platforms, for ekzample under Windows or Mac alá, than the cheafest first step should to be that in the vz.h file search this lines: < 1403228829 985081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that is enough < 1403228904 657900 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. What you think, continue I the translation in this quality, or no? < 1403229057 476019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is possible to read, but i have to guess what some words mean < 1403229131 174218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i am norwegian, i am a bit unsure if it is harder or easier for a native english speaker < 1403229169 364347 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like, that after I will finished my horrible translation, and I upload the document to my webpage, somebody would as highly nice, to corrent it to a good English. < 1403229242 771528 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if you understand it, hopefully a native english speaker understand it too. That is sure, I cannot translate it better as you read it above. < 1403229366 958958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :using "she" for the interpreter is highly unusual, anyway. < 1403229377 601016 :hashtag!0ec23d8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.194.61.140 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403229404 451559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if your interpreter is a ship? < 1403229408 33212 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unusual thing coming good to an "esoteric" language, or...? < 1403229427 902505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose < 1403229532 429647 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse me elliot, I dont understand your question. Ship? Ocean vehicle? My interpreter? Dont understand, sorry... < 1403229558 528278 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-111-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ships are usually referred to as women in english for whatever reason < 1403229690 518252 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I named it to female, because in Egypt exist a cat cast named "mau", and this is a emblem, symbol of my mau. And, hungarian peoples think, that the cat animal a little bit alike to the womens, to females... < 1403229727 543924 :hashtag!0ec23d8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.194.61.140 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1403229802 288868 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dogs = male. Cats = female. < 1403229902 545127 :brandonson!~brandonso@173.180.174.224 QUIT :Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/ < 1403229920 770341 :brandonsons!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403229923 936583 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-111-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, ship like the ocean vehicle < 1403229962 610644 :brandonsons!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net NICK :brandonson < 1403230016 742287 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1403230070 761824 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To this time I was dont know, that for english peoples the ships are females. I think, this equal with the manner of hungarian peoples, which think, that cats are mostly females behaviour havend. < 1403230105 304988 :vyv!~vyv@70.51.217.166 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403230234 828579 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This language can to be very, true usefull for lot of jobs, because she is very fast, she has almost nothing dependencies, her binary size is small, not need lot of resources, and as I think, her support highestly theINDIRECTION, because in the mau almost all small/little thras/things can to be an arithmetical (or string) expression, the variable names too, or the function names, the jumping labels, the casting operators, the arithmet < 1403230239 778126 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403230258 882513 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chapter 1 - The variables of the mau language < 1403230270 160115 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If somebody at first time view to a mau program, belike will appalled, because it seems highly, absolutely unintelligible, baffling, beyond one's depth. To the nearest approach to the Perl language, but so much the worse. This general aspect at the same time spring just from one thing: thus, the mau language handle the variables forsooth considerably exotic, for the rest to the speeding up of the programs run. < 1403230284 510180 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By all accounts, in no way under discussion, be in the bag, that the biggest difficulty in the prehension of the mau language, is the variable-handling. After the survival this, the rest is already easy. < 1403230293 396784 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scilicet, the mau has very lot of advantage, for ekzample she has countless builtin high-level datatypes: strings (2 different string types), arrays, string arrays, stacks, directory (yes, this is a special datatype designed for the Linux directory structure!), inputfile, outputfile, streams, bitfields... And more others coming soon! < 1403230301 693653 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consequently, this language is actually very EASY, it is a good as saying that she is directly COMFY. Except the variable names, yes, sorry & excuse me... < 1403230438 116819 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, Now I should say goodbye, friend, because I should continue my translations of the mau documentation... < 1403230456 964826 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :logout. < 1403230492 505072 :Fossil!473a5848@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.58.88.72 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1403230932 710492 :password2!~password@197.78.206.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403231356 140500 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1403232788 741804 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1403233119 806533 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403234368 662066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: nuit < 1403235423 972673 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-111-165.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403235537 965456 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-57-215.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 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:myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is mau < 1403238455 418026 :Aetherspawn-!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xvxlsytueglqvdbh JOIN :#esoteric < 1403238572 511146 :nooodl!~nooodl@77.104-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1403239011 851149 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1403239730 756339 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403239749 738106 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403240544 320785 :password2!~password@197.78.206.129 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403241559 132959 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403241741 143288 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403242374 626297 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403242479 373993 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403244283 214898 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403245014 701679 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403246400 308365 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@athedsl-21632.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1403246480 411570 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Keya14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39861&oldid=39338 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+0) 10You're a (tiny) bit better than that. < 1403246565 351606 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-21632.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403246916 321336 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@athedsl-21632.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403247857 970069 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"brainfuck equivalent" would be a funny category for everything that is turing complete < 1403248202 765754 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Witeal14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39862 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+1065) 10Nope, can't write an interpreter. < 1403248287 299051 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zoncjovtrywmodxq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1403248431 888575 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403248476 919338 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403249335 510297 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403251223 779001 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403252574 601390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403252806 343347 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403253081 427108 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1403253081 577798 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403253160 117401 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:Patashu!Helix_AFK@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Client Quit < 1403254926 277019 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403255116 926419 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403255158 776605 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403257308 534072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403257539 163412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1403257548 709429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403257828 647095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403257874 570125 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403258147 468059 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I failed the crypto exam :( < 1403258163 994271 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were the questions encrypted < 1403258180 212008 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes . < 1403258224 127458 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fail/blew < 1403258391 467305 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably passed it, but I blew it in my eyes. < 1403258440 822494 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah: that's like the time travel exam where the questions are posed after you have to hand in the answers? < 1403258461 488088 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you pass you really deserve it < 1403258469 403185 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's time travel exams < 1403258480 459174 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like exams on closed timelike curve in general relativity < 1403258492 778875 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't fully answer one question < 1403258570 337471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403258712 442418 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah: not exams. there's just one exam which everyone takes. < 1403259704 880616 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403259928 879598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is Pluso basically a more limited version of Deadfish? < 1403259951 828893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deadfish minimization is not an area of esolang development I had really considered < 1403260103 917609 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39863&oldid=39842 5* 03Ais523 5* (+184) 10/* Joke/Silly Ideas */ respond < 1403260142 726506 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39864&oldid=39863 5* 03Ais523 5* (+64) 10/* Joke/Silly Ideas */ and another response; be more ambitious, people < 1403260218 870532 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1403260600 540886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, are Supreme Court judgements /really/ written in Computer Modern? or is it just that the person who puts them up on their official website goes via TeX? < 1403260958 602436 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they're just lazy to change the default font < 1403260984 22442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the default for anything but TeX and TeX-based typesetters, though, as far as I know < 1403261009 430409 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and formulas in mathjax and a few other similar stuff, yeah < 1403261322 453834 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403261365 882283 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403261865 965340 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ÆTHERAL CHICKEN < 1403262579 789489 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ZZZzzz… < 1403265214 497548 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403265350 150576 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403265375 317189 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403265507 790728 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403265526 397574 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1403265651 777984 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403265683 31369 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403267109 862087 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403267437 780217 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403267739 194168 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403267755 865669 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403268033 869112 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403270053 107544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1403270852 575054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<slereah> Were the questions encrypted <-- just be glad they weren't steganographed hth < 1403271477 515896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <ais523> wait, is Pluso basically a more limited version of Deadfish? <ais523> Deadfish minimization is not an area of esolang development I had really considered < 1403271478 910546 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1208) <ais523> wait, is Pluso basically a more limited version of Deadfish? <ais523> Deadfish minimization is not an area of esolang development I had really considered < 1403271857 333249 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1403271866 258224 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1403273148 566295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403273162 198578 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403273480 148201 :`^_^v!~nycs@ip-216-46-79-198.dsl.nyc.megapath.net QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1403273494 184878 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403273835 223202 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403274029 252345 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403274236 779206 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403275482 900831 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Gentzen14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39865 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+378) 10Created page with "== variation on cmp == A function similar to cmp would be: cmpv : (*a |- *b; *a |- *c; *a |- *d) / ($1(|\|), $2(|\|), *a |- *b, *c, *d); Maybe you can think of a use for th..." < 1403275672 48766 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403275784 504536 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403276062 422547 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403276071 940426 :Aetherspawn-!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xvxlsytueglqvdbh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1403276526 244429 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403276661 700666 :password2!~password@197.78.151.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403276673 934534 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-agjxmtkjvpiyxthr JOIN :#esoteric < 1403276906 507309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1403277183 883549 :password2!~password@197.78.151.234 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403277593 126512 :password2!~password@197.78.151.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403277607 529934 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1403277872 41583 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403277930 647847 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1403278043 794521 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1403278229 64557 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1403278533 780340 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403278587 471696 :nooodl!~nooodl@77.104-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403279152 827752 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403279379 550031 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403279457 781888 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1403279640 569796 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1403279646 213162 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :howwwww's it going < 1403279704 815412 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine? < 1403279732 424847 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1403279735 220372 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds boring < 1403279741 704379 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you working on? < 1403279870 235916 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :finding a small sets of participants in the trolling loop on ##math, at that time. :-/ < 1403279884 887630 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so interesting. < 1403279998 547844 :password2!~password@197.78.151.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anthing interesstin ever happen on ##math < 1403280077 459783 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to work for homework help most of the time, with occasional outbursts of trollery. if you look for brilliancies you should probably go elsewhere. < 1403280120 6815 :password2!~password@197.78.151.234 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403280160 571802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: apply +b? < 1403280230 627614 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: +q, but yeah that's what I did < 1403280243 781470 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403280377 274708 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the best so far. :-D http://gooby.naurunappula.com/org/c9/51/c951092405fe15a3/0/1207578.gif < 1403280486 783423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the worst part is when it's obvious someone is being disruptive, but there's no good way of explaining why they should be +q'd/+b'd, especially since it's not obvious they're doing it maliciously, so you do nothing :( < 1403280582 393595 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh cool i'm glad you took care of that. i got so disgusted i had to go far away for a while < 1403281046 434100 :password2!~password@197.78.187.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403281435 166567 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1403283838 283003 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.116.206 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403284014 485375 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.80.151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403284178 253155 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403284193 704770 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403284505 467526 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.142.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403284546 885088 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1403285648 959738 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1403285904 376070 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403286385 249437 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403286589 786341 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403287372 627864 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1403287389 767550 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :N^2 / ((N^2)/k + k*N) peaks at k = sqrt(N) < 1403287413 892506 :password2!~password@197.78.187.173 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403287419 587623 :_1_ifank94!~WhatsChat@114.79.1.26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403287419 737985 :_1_ifank94!~WhatsChat@114.79.1.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hay < 1403287514 723388 :_1_ifank94!~WhatsChat@114.79.1.26 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403288061 472431 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Does it peak at all? < 1403288090 132047 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plotting the graph shows it converging to some value at infinity < 1403288179 392652 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1403288218 564744 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1403288308 747551 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does, for fixed N < 1403288418 627565 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed n, non-fixed k? < 1403288424 448775 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1403288471 367243 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be a sort of 1/x curve < 1403288527 78449 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that by the AGM inequality, (N^2)/k + k*N >= 2sqrt(N^3), with equality when N^2/k = k*N, i.e., k = sqrt(N). < 1403288544 508171 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it does seem to have one maximum and one minimum < 1403288557 327736 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so N^2/((N^2)/k + k*N) <= sqrt(N)/2 with equality when k = sqrt(N). < 1403288607 63411 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=N^2%2F%28N^2%2Fx+%2B+x*N%29 < 1403288710 703306 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it works < 1403288741 562601 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should differentiate it to find the maximum < 1403288907 370188 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :diff(a/(a/k + k*b)) = ((a/k + k*b) - a*(b - a/k^2))/(a/k + k*b)^2 < 1403288914 847296 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing this out in text looks ugly < 1403288922 731315 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = N^2 and b = N < 1403288964 421429 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: If k is too high the algorithm doesn't scale anymore < 1403288976 484385 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivially if k=N < 1403288981 756534 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the + term becomes N^N < 1403288992 788856 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can't possibly be better than N^2 < 1403288995 590225 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(becomes N^2) < 1403289036 119417 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(k is the number of processors for example) < 1403289049 999869 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I'd just use newton's method < 1403289081 341885 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it always converges quickly if you're using it to calculate square roots < 1403289152 735249 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1403289164 808265 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to calculate square roots < 1403289171 453409 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you want to do? < 1403289216 540532 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had a hunch that this won't scale for large k < 1403289231 363200 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it looks like you get the best performance for k = sqrt(n) < 1403289254 957176 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(N^2 is the regular algorithm) < 1403289286 492396 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (N^2)/k + N*k is an algorithms that divides the problem < 1403289401 476196 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't divide it arbitrarily < 1403289415 98036 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because for k > sqrt(N) it's actually worse than using N*N < 1403289614 691616 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1403289616 983508 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1403289628 156217 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sqrt(n)*0.5 times faster for k = sqrt(n) < 1403289666 243547 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lalala. "so N^2/((N^2)/k + k*N) <= sqrt(N)/2 with equality when k = sqrt(N)." < 1403290265 428924 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403290292 85114 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1403290525 561894 :barrucadu!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu NICK :KitB____ < 1403290563 829259 :KitB____!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu NICK :barrucadu < 1403291074 440961 :aretecode!~aretecode@173.192.170.114-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403291998 600511 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.113.143.117 QUIT :Client Quit < 1403292056 701213 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1403292132 710937 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403292133 703852 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1403292160 729225 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403292161 691139 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1403292188 735163 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403292189 690452 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1403292216 729829 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403292217 697795 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1403292244 764979 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403292496 469479 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403292533 648015 :impomatic_!~digital_w@87.113.143.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403292669 781929 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403293512 467360 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-153.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403293642 463714 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-195.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403293815 145477 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403294570 548977 :nooodl!~nooodl@77.104-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403294828 701527 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1403294915 728228 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403295001 668587 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1403295340 898310 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1403295448 450239 :impomatic_!~digital_w@87.113.143.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, this watch has been untouched in a box for 11 years. The battery still hasn't run out, the date is correct, but it's about 5 minutes slow! < 1403295473 189841 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mechanical or electronic? < 1403295486 225568 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, *electric or electronic < 1403295504 777437 :MSusw!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403295507 345424 :impomatic_!~digital_w@87.113.143.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Electronic < 1403295517 30646 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick NICK :yorick < 1403295747 782148 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403295822 239298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's 65 minutes slow and there's been a daylight savings time thing. < 1403295845 6750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that works in the right direction, I can't be bothered thinking it through. < 1403295904 328506 :MSusw!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1403296080 245902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: still worn out from that one argument you had? < 1403296133 986415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you even remember that? (I'm reminded of it every time I accidentally open Google Drive, because I've got that Spreadsheet of Proof in there.) < 1403296194 627581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a good memory for useless things. < 1403296200 603645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's something from it in the qdb, I think. < 1403296306 323801 :singingboyo!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403296529 761286 :brandonson!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403296616 445650 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thruth is, that the watch is 1 day and 5 minutes behind < 1403296621 183558 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't tell ;) < 1403296742 128527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the date is correct" seems to contradict that. < 1403297493 839991 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant one year then < 1403297498 295993 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should read whole sentences . < 1403297512 229175 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it show the year too < 1403297524 894359 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which electronic watches probably can do < 1403297533 971272 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna hide under the table now . < 1403297608 890815 :impomatic_!~digital_w@87.113.143.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The year is also correct :-) < 1403297626 343727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so far back it thinks it's 2014 BC. < 1403297638 521455 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403297903 928219 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEAH < 1403297909 217941 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S USING THE WRONG CALENDAR < 1403297920 126177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're using the wrong capitalisation. < 1403297926 429606 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1403297929 618309 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just using capsloc < 1403297930 440017 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1403297968 839616 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why someone invented that key < 1403298080 751032 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mechanical watch is so good, it has glow in the dark dots where the numbers are < 1403298108 459411 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just some stupid idiot forgot to make the pointers glow in the dark two < 1403298116 427846 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I know where the hours are < 1403298120 265697 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the pointers < 1403298126 764493 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/two/too < 1403298132 863479 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/No/now < 1403298165 643837 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't get why you'd make the numbers glow in the dark but not the pointers < 1403298443 108577 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403298655 236084 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1403298749 931831 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39866&oldid=39504 5* 03188.192.76.116 5* (+0) 10/* Lua */ Bugfix for accumulator (now every value beyond 256 will set the accumulator to 0) < 1403298787 64525 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha. < 1403298803 279652 :nooodl!~nooodl@77.104-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :good bugfix < 1403298888 105211 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39867&oldid=39866 5* 0369.166.35.231 5* (+0) 10Undo revision 39866 by [[Special:Contributions/188.192.76.116|188.192.76.116]] ([[User talk:188.192.76.116|talk]]) as an entomologist i assure you that that is a feature. < 1403298914 188666 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Witeal14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39868&oldid=39862 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+767) 10 < 1403298944 565140 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Witeal14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39869&oldid=39868 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-206) 10 < 1403298995 445339 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403299100 866014 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Witeal14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39870&oldid=39869 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+3) 10 < 1403299148 462145 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Witeal14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39871&oldid=39870 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+88) 10 < 1403299248 908054 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Witeal14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39872&oldid=39871 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-88) 10Undo revision 39871 by [[Special:Contributions/GermanyBoy|GermanyBoy]] ([[User talk:GermanyBoy|talk]]) < 1403299269 126117 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Witeal14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39873&oldid=39872 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-3) 10Undo revision 39870 by [[Special:Contributions/GermanyBoy|GermanyBoy]] ([[User talk:GermanyBoy|talk]]) < 1403299349 309396 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Witeal14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39874&oldid=39873 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+206) 10Undo revision 39869 by [[Special:Contributions/GermanyBoy|GermanyBoy]] ([[User talk:GermanyBoy|talk]]) sent accidentally wrong versions < 1403299444 859770 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Witeal14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39875&oldid=39874 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+41) 10 < 1403299545 452753 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403300542 924710 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1403301205 337004 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1403301396 928714 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403301447 91896 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403302110 102418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1403302911 300743 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403303063 291217 :impomatic_!~digital_w@87.113.143.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone seen one of these before? https://twitter.com/john_metcalf/status/480113808753844224 < 1403303133 20179 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't. it looks like an old cash register. < 1403303153 19488 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those buttons on the left of the numpad circuit components? looks neat < 1403303301 103774 :impomatic_!~digital_w@87.113.143.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what it's supposed to do. < 1403303310 311349 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe its art < 1403303331 139036 :impomatic_!~digital_w@87.113.143.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they're components. One looks like a capacitor, the others don't look like components. < 1403303346 790200 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1403303354 278590 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you're on twitter i'd ask @textfiles < 1403303356 322966 :impomatic_!~digital_w@87.113.143.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The blue keys are labelled RUN, MONTR, PROG < 1403303380 499935 :impomatic_!~digital_w@87.113.143.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the top left are some logic keys, AND OR NOT < 1403303409 662473 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i see a pdf manual for the Omron Programmable Controller Model SYSMAC-CRT10 but that's probably different < 1403303480 787285 :impomatic_!~digital_w@87.113.143.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's a list of instructions printed on the top left of the machine, looks like some kind of assembly language. < 1403303508 615756 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, this looks more like a logic analyzer < 1403303528 767627 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick this up at a flea sale or something? < 1403303537 278137 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.omronkft.hu/ < 1403303573 857428 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, whoever replied is probably right < 1403303584 588203 :impomatic_!~digital_w@87.113.143.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've no idea where it came from... < 1403303608 353283 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, are you not john metcalf, sorry < 1403303655 623132 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you search "gpc" on omronkft you'll find a number of manuals < 1403303750 574804 :ragnaroek!4db4fdfa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.180.253.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403303841 87601 :impomatic_!~digital_w@87.113.143.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm John Metcalf :-) < 1403303876 541640 :impomatic_!~digital_w@87.113.143.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just found another Omron box and a cable. Will try connecting them later. (It boots up okay into a menu). < 1403303958 58537 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should use it to set up your very own assembly line < 1403303968 725112 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :producing omron graphic programming controllers, perhaps < 1403304005 303179 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403304087 924415 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1403304562 320722 :impomatic_!~digital_w@87.113.143.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is playing with this one now https://twitter.com/john_metcalf/status/480120069314596865 < 1403304611 129930 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#supercomputing < 1403304870 484401 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403305012 465533 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-195.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403305123 391606 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-70.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403305125 519321 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403305992 293118 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-70.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403306038 409384 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1403306038 559548 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403306108 78424 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-103-192.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403307171 63212 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-103-192.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403307277 44340 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-33-72.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403308010 472954 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1403308077 839361 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1403308200 384887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantastic, someone got /r/redditrequests banned... < 1403308236 713597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it shouldn't have the s < 1403308555 627823 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you ban a subreddit itself? < 1403308703 882877 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403308716 558500 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403308845 539275 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403309196 472162 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403309260 186302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: by using it only for spam, i think. < 1403309295 404949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the message speaks of spam filters < 1403309394 362453 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403309403 73564 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-33-72.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403309433 800760 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdsh. < 1403309451 492490 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now, time for a good coma session. 'night all! < 1403309472 426552 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: FLOPPY CHICKEN < 1403309484 455115 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-55-161.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403309714 237274 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403309762 427838 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-55-161.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403309770 880906 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403309859 879566 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-49.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403309934 339330 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403310984 221436 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1403311119 396151 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1403312937 519997 :alexandrite!~alexandri@gateway/tor-sasl/alexandrite JOIN :#esoteric < 1403314117 472052 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1403314117 661400 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403314699 739521 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1403314743 879657 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-49.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403314874 904366 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-242-79.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403314984 575898 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-242-79.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1403315080 307632 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-242-79.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403315361 290163 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-242-79.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403315456 778520 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-242-79.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403315913 527790 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1403317939 778000 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-242-79.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403318029 15052 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-97.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403319434 758455 :Aetherspawn-!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-krzgwzfgtrxmxlzr JOIN :#esoteric < 1403320218 232595 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403320445 231286 :alexandrite!~alexandri@gateway/tor-sasl/alexandrite QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403320950 477839 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403321236 703646 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-97.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1403321396 7679 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-97.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403321462 525501 :nooodl!~nooodl@77.104-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403321857 720628 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-97.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: rebooting, again. stupid technology. < 1403322002 19828 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-97.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403322092 283261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1403322142 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:Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403334978 459327 :impomatic_!~digital_w@87.113.143.117 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403335679 302714 :password2!~password@197.78.187.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403335761 781064 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403336237 346310 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403336502 293765 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403336706 231597 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Witeal14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39876&oldid=39875 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+1058) 10/* Issues */ < 1403336838 448506 :password2!~password@197.78.187.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the topics that peaks my interests get removed < 1403336851 895091 :password2!~password@197.78.187.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops , wrong channel:P < 1403337185 777454 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403338367 315205 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403338497 930236 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403338590 909575 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403338822 519477 :impomatic!~chatzilla@93.90.189.80.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403338887 411841 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-agjxmtkjvpiyxthr QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1403339324 249927 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Gentzen14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39877&oldid=39865 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+276) 10Definition of cmpv in terms of cmp, I think? < 1403341119 364478 :password2!~password@197.78.187.173 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403341177 817481 :password2!~password@197.78.187.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403342060 851774 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:HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pastequote: not found < 1403360089 740816 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1403360091 561526 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.6385 < 1403360158 88255 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Witeal14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39878&oldid=39876 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+313) 10 < 1403360565 205498 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett you are now reunited with the Warrigal side of the force. < 1403360565 411730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1403360869 837293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this mean we are doomed twh < 1403360952 681931 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi boily < 1403361021 672565 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Quintopia! < 1403361037 247940 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it just mean I updated the Infamous PDF. tsh. < 1403361040 916955 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :read any good books of late? < 1403361061 803238 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading The City & The City, by China Miéville. < 1403361067 121554 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is one weeeeeird book. < 1403361071 548651 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it HORRIFIC < 1403361085 628436 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird is what i would expect < 1403361095 377634 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not horrific. at least not yet. < 1403361312 312486 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1403361342 836828 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: are you reading interesting stuff as of lately too? < 1403361365 861880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once read City by clifford Simak hth < 1403361389 96357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's also weird. of course it's scifi.) < 1403361405 708119 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i searched for the city and the city, a play at the lifeline theater came up. then the wikipedia said it was an adaptation of the book to the stage < 1403361421 539910 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the setting seems interesting. i'll consider it for a future read. < 1403361440 34997 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you'll call me woefully behind the times, but i'm reading american gods for the first time < 1403361477 936163 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read anything Gaiman yet. < 1403361578 172471 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i like this one much better than the last one i read (and the last one was pretty awesome) < 1403361586 205262 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm biased because i'm american < 1403361681 961882 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1403361814 268626 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403362387 750093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a god, too? < 1403362754 280217 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lightly mapoles Quintopia to check if he's a god. «hmm... how does one mapoles for godhood?» < 1403362894 933212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403363035 979833 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.198.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403363132 147285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very very carefully < 1403363330 782883 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403363757 990359 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1403363851 440377 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the experience seems inconclusive. < 1403364029 638035 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.198.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403364223 175102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: inconclusive proves nothing! < 1403364265 700419 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: UNPROVABLE CHICKEN < 1403364778 564504 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403364807 240426 :password2!~password@197.78.187.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403364858 139973 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403365706 871056 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403365779 685737 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:lorenzo__!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403372248 817532 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdebath/deadbeef14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39881 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+4044) 10Nice little BF interpreter < 1403372390 423921 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403372390 574182 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com QUIT :Changing host < 1403372390 574314 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1403372643 319979 :lorenzo__!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1403372876 641905 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403372963 625469 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403373050 785699 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403373238 548466 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck 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:^vbot!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1403376720 696617 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1403377535 13108 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1403377572 39252 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403377731 389485 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403378404 914519 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403379458 490244 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403379962 708440 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403380107 320522 :password2!~password@197.78.187.173 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403380252 63150 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1403380407 311627 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ashtol14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39884&oldid=39163 5* 03188.192.76.116 5* (+275) 10/* External Resources */ Added Lua Interpreter for Ashtol by Michael Armbruster < 1403381217 79911 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403381476 22964 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if it is possible on Android to add an icon for locally downloaded HTML+JavaScript files? < 1403381558 842728 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1403381578 850454 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero < 1403381723 580149 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1403381847 105626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. I could navigate to file:///sdcard/.../blah.html in Chrome (stock Android 4.4.2) and successfully select "Add to homescreen" from the menu, but tapping on the resulting icon just results in the message "App isn't installed." < 1403381966 792729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you have to put it in the internal NVRAM instead of SD card? (Does it even have internal NVRAM or Flash memory that can be used for this purpose?) < 1403382035 665802 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have "ES File Explorer" installed, and it's "Add to desktop" option generated a sort-of working icon. < 1403382077 794753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tapping on it opens the "what do you want to open it with" dialog. < 1403382100 254676 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the built-in option not working though? < 1403382139 555716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is all in built-in memory; despite the /sdcard in the patg, there's no SD card slot in this device. < 1403382173 628670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, then why does it say that? Is that why it says it isn't installed? < 1403382185 567789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why the Chrome icon does not work. It works for a http:// link. < 1403382347 120444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps this is a bug that they forgot to specify the built-in program associated with file: URLs. < 1403382430 830625 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you avoid the "what do you want to open it with" dialog if you have option to "add to desktop with" menu? < 1403383405 854535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dialog has a choice between "just once" and "always", so I suspect selecting the latter makes it stop asking. Though I don't know if the choice is particular to the link or the type of file or what. < 1403384592 389444 :impomatic_!~digital_w@80.229.179.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403384733 311098 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1403384748 799184 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to have an option "for the next N times" < 1403385187 146492 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe after n times you can find some setting where you reset it < 1403385327 687231 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1403386242 775932 :ragnaroek!4db4fdfa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.180.253.250 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1403386945 610787 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1403387535 529832 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1403387562 431847 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403388780 145798 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403388863 305963 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403389362 422188 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403390816 107937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1403392119 981668 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1403392277 573182 :ragnaroek!4db403a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.180.3.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403392880 813627 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403392944 284379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh they managed to take over /r/physics < 1403393034 420265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well /u/regua did, i guess he was the first to officially try < 1403393051 496285 :nooodl_!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403393055 301348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally there may be some moderation again < 1403393121 507518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly more than under the old moderator, who believed strongly in moderation while moderating. < 1403393227 555842 :nooodl!~nooodl@77.104-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403393325 916445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the downside, that inflation discovery from earlier this year seems more and more uncertain :( < 1403393346 960170 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the result again? i think i vaguely remember < 1403393430 737911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they found a type of polarization in the cosmic microwave background that they thought was produced from gravitional waves left over from the universe's first fraction of a second, when it was inflating. < 1403393486 514406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but later the critisism has grown that they underestimated the effect of galactic dust, which is similar < 1403393495 89085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*criticism < 1403393575 487681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they are waiting for results from other telescopes (planck being the name of one) to confirm or reject < 1403393618 818461 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :right on < 1403393961 726881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh i reloaded and the newsgroup has got tags on the posts < 1403393966 325287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1403393969 822140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*subreddit < 1403393988 821578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's as close as you get on the modern web, anyway < 1403394061 885249 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403394185 996477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although to be honest it looks a bit noisy to me. < 1403394789 870613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait am i forgetting to eat again < 1403394840 629126 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're just waiting for me to eat. < 1403394867 523845 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the lasagna is taking too long in the over over here. < 1403394871 707343 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oven < 1403395337 779811 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403395357 782533 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1403395583 542436 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403396132 445668 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403396433 641559 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1403396545 347184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: can i start eating now? < 1403396572 625033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1403396574 190972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*may < 1403396612 843962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION interprets silence as agreement < 1403396775 454183 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1403397517 845505 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403398638 366775 :Aetherspawn-!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qgirsinywxnujhlq JOIN :#esoteric < 1403398946 852884 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1403398947 3194 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403399819 778869 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403399883 847896 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403400143 423773 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1403400143 613530 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403401512 423465 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403401667 316018 :Patashu!Helix@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403401859 952539 :Patashu!Helix@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403401880 453674 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403402082 851695 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1403402083 78079 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403406087 461502 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1403406112 230984 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403406122 845380 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403406487 502596 :nooodl_!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403407082 720559 :impomatic_!~digital_w@80.229.179.67 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403407125 778668 :impomatic!~chatzilla@80.229.179.67 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403407472 966961 :Aetherspawn-!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qgirsinywxnujhlq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1403409777 964777 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1403410608 115813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1403411344 652763 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1403411450 475822 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1403411738 68428 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to program Mozilla to rewrite URLs? < 1403412559 29035 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean in the address bar, or in page links? < 1403412560 496361 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also < 1403412564 799898 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1403412591 591261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I tried to write an extension to do that, I failed (but I didn't try very hard) < 1403412601 384557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it's possible, but am surprised that it doesn't seem to have been done already < 1403412745 923293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in page links < 1403412757 515121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as redirects and stuff like that < 1403412933 880220 :brandonson!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403413118 606471 :singingboyo!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403413562 713029 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1403413578 403282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403413600 603155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403413714 453312 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403413796 707908 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403413946 554184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403413952 437063 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1403415207 200870 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does using something like Charles or Fiddler to force that URL to respond as a 302 count? < 1403415215 557252 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that sort of thing (well, maybe not exactly) all the time < 1403415325 89854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: clever < 1403415483 64523 :brandonson!~brandonso@d173-180-174-224.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403416233 453998 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403416511 783273 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403417483 536286 :password2!~password@197.78.187.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403418694 412834 :Aetherspawn-!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-reudiptkmbhnhodw JOIN :#esoteric < 1403418943 782230 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403419713 888549 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403420863 580921 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1403421009 276484 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1403421878 532856 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39885&oldid=39782 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+1601) 10Upgrade of the awk based converter < 1403422266 539016 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403422329 208349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1403422426 295683 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1403422426 485564 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403423307 332838 :password2!~password@197.78.187.173 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403423738 561094 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403424235 7178 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdebath14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39886&oldid=39885 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+0) 10/* Current Version of the awk based converter */ < 1403424243 389776 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403425707 803562 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403426697 790412 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403426841 387883 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Quit: realzies < 1403426894 965394 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1403426945 256678 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1403430521 465721 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403430600 183943 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/a/bDGRU < 1403430603 37935 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit < 1403430614 456512 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to go back in time 150 years and get a maths degree then < 1403430777 857509 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gentzen14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39887&oldid=39858 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+1122) 10 < 1403431149 56794 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gentzen14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39888&oldid=39887 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+503) 10Typeclass definition < 1403431604 269268 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-kabfjjybaleettsh QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1403431873 239480 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gentzen14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39889&oldid=39888 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+324) 10 < 1403431995 789088 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have described more about how classes work in Gentzen programming language. < 1403432527 974810 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gentzen14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39890&oldid=39889 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+38) 10 < 1403432629 307867 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1403432673 146963 :Aetherspawn-!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-reudiptkmbhnhodw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1403432723 68987 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403433278 774871 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1403433771 409180 :Aetherspawn-!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lsftkdfaqslcylbk JOIN :#esoteric < 1403434040 366417 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-lqxzipgutrhlbgbw JOIN :#esoteric < 1403434263 597892 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403436586 413489 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403437708 705852 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403438928 443737 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403440260 882040 :nooodl_!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403440793 953133 :nooodl_!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1403440918 976593 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1403440934 757151 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ggGgGGGGgggg gGGgGG? < 1403441016 851833 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1403441194 504707 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite, but if so, then it. but yet... maybe? < 1403441296 923218 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost , more less than bigger < 1403441372 409678 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather almost. < 1403441402 544437 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1403441673 160021 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's an awful password < 1403441783 980000 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not < 1403441787 930362 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has lower case, upper case < 1403441795 576982 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and two special characters space and ? < 1403441800 581589 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it' looong < 1403441984 383843 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, this is stupid, I made a programming language (some time ago) and it has the same thing as c/c++ where some bits of the grammar depend on whether or not a name is known to be a type < 1403443361 483144 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403443420 445642 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I like passwords like *******. < 1403443440 257065 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: which bits? < 1403443696 799017 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the grammar might or might not actually be ambiguous, but my parser needs to know that foo is a type to parse declarations like foo bar; < 1403443980 43135 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. indeed. < 1403444003 12020 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove ambiguity and make everything a type :D < 1403444131 461648 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could work < 1403444159 695128 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or remove the syntax for type annotations once I do type inference < 1403444509 779691 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1403444515 142318 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could foo be else if not a type? < 1403444843 292265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1403445373 62895 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403445598 823784 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1403445604 228267 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am mad < 1403445618 953350 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just created two esolangs .-. < 1403445636 248935 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that bad? < 1403445654 217301 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it was fun < 1403445658 774045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mad < 1403445659 964519 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." < 1403445660 618684 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enough fun to do another one < 1403445685 813331 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :First i made DeadFish+, < 1403445690 829184 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i made swaglang < 1403445696 920914 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( WIP name :P ) < 1403445697 381781 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:10: error: expected: "$", < 1403445697 759490 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "$>", "&&", "&&&", "*", "***", < 1403445697 977653 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "+", "++", "-", "->", ".", "/", < 1403445697 977818 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "/=", ":+", ":-", "::", ":::", < 1403445697 977909 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ":=", "<", "<$", "<$>", "<*>",14↵… < 1403445705 771630 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1403445730 327395 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bot that uses ( as prefix < 1403445740 969846 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1403445781 884208 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently i am fixing the loops < 1403445794 836846 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they work... < 1403445806 589129 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not the way i intended them < 1403445839 716818 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: an expression ... at least until you parse far enough to notice that you have an "expression" followed by something other than the end of the expression statement < 1403445851 75008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess, they're always run at least once? < 1403445867 85390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(common error when implementing brainfuck) < 1403445924 581451 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vifino: we have bots. many of them. < 1403445930 489378 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403445936 628079 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1403445959 315554 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my bot carries the burden of my two langs, and brainfuck < 1403445963 163577 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ encoder < 1403445981 207118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: excuse me where is fungot when we try to show him off < 1403446032 276424 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: FUNGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT! < 1403446074 793192 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUN, GOD! < 1403446123 254672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 v'yy unir gb fgrc va < 1403446123 907331 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to step in < 1403446151 667949 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck anatidae < 1403446151 937477 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Anatidae are the biological family of birds that includes ducks, geese and swans. The family has a cosmopolitan distribution, occurring on all the world's continents except Antarctica and on most of the world's islands and island groups. These are birds that are adapted through evolution for swimming, floating on the water surface, and in some cases diving in at least shallow water. The family contains around 146 species in 40 genera. They are ge < 1403446156 817789 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice , i have an bf^ bot < 1403446161 138672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :3d6 < 1403446161 480656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 1+3+1 => 5 < 1403446201 835724 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo 3d6 < 1403446206 645358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome vifino < 1403446207 619506 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06vifino: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02<http://esolangs.org/>. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.) < 1403446207 851983 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3d6 foo < 1403446214 239567 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :........... < 1403446258 568240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uup. < 1403446282 76309 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1403446285 458244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go. < 1403446289 435598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: good morning! < 1403446289 774281 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hangman's fnord toi on fnord :(. < 1403446295 923935 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, we haven't `relcomed people in a long time! < 1403446297 334981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good first impression there. < 1403446311 882063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You only get one chance to make a first impression! < 1403446312 120658 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no matter how many times do you get that font from? < 1403446312 395792 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so, how've you been? < 1403446312 671897 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm not saying cl is braindead. okay... so you really need < 1403446329 667133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck anatidaephobia < 1403446330 79027 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1403446344 811012 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: shush! don't try anything logical with the duck! < 1403446351 132191 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fungot < 1403446351 576164 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: sarahbot is back, hmmmm, i liked them so far in sicp yet :) got distracted with an fnord tone. but that's not the rhythm < 1403446351 811927 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10) <fungot> GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know. \ 13) <fizzie after embedding some of his department research into fungot> Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. \ 14) <fungot> oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. plea < 1403446414 826909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: strictly speaking that's not actually logical, but don't tell that to gary larson < 1403446424 978608 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vifino: for further details, take a look at the PDF linked in the topic. it explains... well. it explains stuff. < 1403446442 463283 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? for further details < 1403446443 191393 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1403446445 861729 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? further details < 1403446446 419254 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :further details? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1403446472 947488 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, where did that start again ... never mind < 1403446497 927966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep 'further details' wisdom/* < 1403446499 845318 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: wisdom/d: Is a directory \ wisdom/for further details.:See `? for further details for futher details. \ wisdom/for further details for futher details.:See `? for further details for futher details. \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory < 1403446527 495052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1403446660 446446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep 'further details' wisdom/* 2&>/dev/null < 1403446661 258916 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1403446667 749079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep 'further details' wisdom/* 2>&/dev/null < 1403446668 389223 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: /dev/null: ambiguous redirect < 1403446702 37492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait how can there be no output < 1403446720 807149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 is the fd for stderr, no? < 1403446734 237924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1403446745 389422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep 'further details' wisdom/* 2>/dev/null < 1403446746 163653 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/for further details.:See `? for further details for futher details. \ wisdom/for further details for futher details.:See `? for further details for futher details. < 1403446756 669466 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep 'further details' wisdom/* 2>&- < 1403446757 365286 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/for further details.:See `? for further details for futher details. \ wisdom/for further details for futher details.:See `? for further details for futher details. < 1403446781 658095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :..wat. < 1403446826 401298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd wisdom; grep -l 'further details' * 2>/dev/null < 1403446827 138885 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for further details. \ for further details for futher details. < 1403446849 837642 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sauce < 1403446851 584801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd wisdom; grep -l 'details' * 2>/dev/null < 1403446852 443655 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for further details. \ for further details for futher details. \ goat \ monqy < 1403446855 639862 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :'source < 1403446857 256617 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:< < 1403446862 258356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a ' < 1403446867 958673 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1403446873 930905 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :´sauce < 1403446881 498009 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :´source < 1403446886 216434 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :´repo < 1403446887 487224 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:< < 1403446894 163417 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :y u do dis < 1403446903 428272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that either. is your terminal munging quotes? < 1403446906 174030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or client < 1403446942 494909 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk! D; < 1403446973 963151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? goat < 1403446974 782975 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goats are drunk 24/7, ask Solain for details. < 1403446980 701512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`source < 1403446981 357523 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: source: not found < 1403446985 204899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1403446986 399403 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :leeeel < 1403446989 370298 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vifino: can you type a backquote? < 1403446995 277984 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :id k < 1403447001 418093 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :` < 1403447001 762796 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1403447004 661060 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1403447010 604239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1403447010 975398 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1403447021 838744 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1403447022 50308 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-ircslave ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1403447027 967210 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1403447028 494711 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 98076 \ a \ app.sh \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ UNPA \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1403447029 437888 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :' < 1403447032 566085 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1403447041 793110 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pwd < 1403447042 151008 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1403447046 210544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not actually the source for the bot itself, though, just its directory contents < 1403447047 133657 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :` < 1403447047 804816 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1403447052 711805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are extensive, mind you < 1403447059 157308 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy pasta < 1403447072 660848 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo "Moop!" > moop.txt < 1403447073 98904 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Moop!" > moop.txt < 1403447077 364129 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::I < 1403447081 697110 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1403447089 610621 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Moop!" > moop.txt < 1403447090 934363 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1403447094 408403 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1403447094 624884 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | < 1403447094 625071 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/`\ < 1403447099 596610 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1403447105 935003 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1403447106 187954 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | < 1403447106 188142 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |\ < 1403447108 358115 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel < 1403447127 39950 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cat moop.txt < 1403447133 23542 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat moop.txt < 1403447133 396098 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moop! < 1403447136 205971 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1403447139 852330 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :LELELELELELL < 1403447143 693667 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just triggered myndzi, our own half-human half-bot resident! (even if his claims to humanness are unfounded.) < 1403447171 97189 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1403447171 556241 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 98076 \ a \ app.sh \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ moop.txt \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ UNPA \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1403447188 645093 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls /hackenv < 1403447192 734595 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /hackenv < 1403447193 610272 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 98076 \ a \ app.sh \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ moop.txt \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ UNPA \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1403447205 157889 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat index.html < 1403447205 887286 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​<html> \ <head> \ <title>Psychose</title> \ </head> \ \ <body>Yayyyy!</body> \ </html> < 1403447222 866178 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tac index.html < 1403447223 771460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​</html> \ <body>Yayyyy!</body> \ \ </head> \ <title>Psychose</title> \ <head> \ <html> < 1403447227 429978 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo seem a bit unprotected and abusable < 1403447233 996923 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cowsay mooo < 1403447234 366950 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: cowsay: not found < 1403447235 52012 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice bot you got here < 1403447235 645613 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! < 1403447237 205334 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::s < 1403447239 811196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? HackEgo < 1403447240 648459 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. < 1403447252 589827 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sl < 1403447253 449678 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: sl: not found < 1403447253 838458 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::s < 1403447257 789757 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vifino: sorry. HackEgo probably is the most anything-proof bot we have here. < 1403447258 666117 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awe < 1403447264 200822 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it need sl < 1403447271 772039 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::S < 1403447284 180780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i dunno, i don't think anyone has hacked fungot yet < 1403447284 467292 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good eye! i'm indeed using drscheme! do you know a portable way to have something < 1403447287 559888 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :password2: sl running over IRC would be more than a little obnoxious < 1403447297 51980 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1403447300 965236 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed. fungot is quite robust too. < 1403447301 627265 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 55 mins??? lst)...) < 1403447312 814157 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :choo choo muthafuckers < 1403447335 640145 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :password2: I like trains. < 1403447360 827196 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vifino: if you want to have fun with a not-very-stable bot with probably more holes than a pound of gruyère, try metasepia. < 1403447383 736832 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :metasepia: WAZZAP < 1403447385 449304 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel < 1403447401 994930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~echo hi < 1403447402 680661 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1403447417 183211 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ls < 1403447417 414221 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi < 1403447428 496313 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval ls < 1403447428 713397 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (127): < 1403447437 594305 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval print("wat") < 1403447437 821133 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (127): < 1403447439 815964 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::s < 1403447444 683096 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat lang is dis! < 1403447455 118698 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. yeah. I forgot to update the env on this machine... >_>'... < 1403447459 14985 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :metasepia, duck dice < 1403447468 418878 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck dice < 1403447473 864683 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1403447476 722454 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice < 1403447476 951956 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck die < 1403447477 166184 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1403447477 389704 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- ~dice sides [number] < 1403447477 389863 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Throw dice, e.g.: dice 6 4 will throw four regular dice. < 1403447480 845394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval cycle "Haskell! " < 1403447481 222687 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (127): < 1403447490 676212 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice inf < 1403447490 990802 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- ~dice sides [number] < 1403447491 218391 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Throw dice, e.g.: dice 6 4 will throw four regular dice. < 1403447492 682317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :): < 1403447495 64727 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it may be missing some libs hth < 1403447498 973981 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice -1 < 1403447499 318442 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- ~dice sides [number] < 1403447499 540986 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Throw dice, e.g.: dice 6 4 will throw four regular dice. < 1403447506 148915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's prelude hth < 1403447510 374430 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice -1 2 < 1403447510 668905 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- ~dice sides [number] < 1403447510 899042 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Throw dice, e.g.: dice 6 4 will throw four regular dice. < 1403447512 841217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval cycle "Haskell! " < 1403447513 96483 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (127): < 1403447515 326457 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1403447519 319198 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 1 2 < 1403447519 607893 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 1 --- Sum = 2 < 1403447522 445425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval "Haskell! " < 1403447522 863931 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (127): < 1403447526 157542 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 1 22222 < 1403447526 606326 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 < 1403447526 824191 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know. it's trying to import stuff that doesn't exist. < 1403447526 824344 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1403447537 69434 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1403447538 987477 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! neat! < 1403447549 891650 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was easy < 1403447555 371388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ಠ_ಠ < 1403447555 788603 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69       ¯|¯⌠ < 1403447556 10250 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69       /'\| < 1403447560 813135 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :leeel < 1403447565 137420 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi is neat < 1403447571 371391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1403447571 591631 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/ < 1403447571 949370 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | c.c.c |  ¯|¯⌠ `\o/´69   | c.c.c |   `\o/´69  ¯|¯⌠ | c.c.c | < 1403447572 167104 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |\ c.c  >\  >\|   |     >\ c.c /´\    |     >\|/´\ c.c  >\ < 1403447572 167256 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`celebrate < 1403447572 167347 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                  /'¯|_)              /'\ < 1403447572 484686 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: celebrate: not found < 1403447572 918411 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                (_|                 (_| |_) < 1403447585 75715 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1403447585 473118 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, is cool < 1403447593 876754 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\W/ < 1403447605 673925 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\0/ < 1403447609 331956 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? myndzi < 1403447610 334121 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi keeps us all on our feet < 1403447613 700551 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1403447614 60861 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69    | < 1403447614 282270 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69    >\ < 1403447621 369020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :password2: sorry, no alien monsters < 1403447626 395859 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it died < 1403447636 484654 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. time to mysteriously disappear and go eat some eggs benedict and play mahjong. 役満万歳! < 1403447636 880341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except possibly that c.c not sure what it is < 1403447637 172383 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                    c.c.c < 1403447637 384940 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                     c.c < 1403447637 885679 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\/ < 1403447645 793270 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1403447651 100811 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soccerball? < 1403447654 276633 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks multiocular to me < 1403447686 256570 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\o0o// < 1403447693 184791 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1403447721 173013 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think the channel's obsession with multiocular o's is more recent than that script, so maybe not < 1403447761 715621 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :d.d < 1403447769 665441 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd < 1403447770 687930 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel < 1403447800 151201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: myndzi's script has been updated, i think the c.c may very well have been multiocularly inspired < 1403447800 421402 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                                     c.c.c < 1403447800 649551 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                                      c.c < 1403447852 980221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote alphanumeric < 1403447853 677550 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1140) <shachaf> A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric." < 1403447886 172475 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :trypꙮphobia c.c < 1403447886 454681 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69        c.c.c < 1403447886 696881 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69         c.c < 1403447902 588602 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c.c.c < 1403447902 890079 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69    c.c.c < 1403447903 134609 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69     c.c < 1403447912 198148 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c c.c < 1403447912 641705 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      c.c.c < 1403447912 882052 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69       c.c < 1403447919 90950 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1403447929 895469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some bugs with that < 1403447952 986661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c.c < 1403447953 232088 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 c.c.c < 1403447953 477646 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  c.c < 1403447971 394666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless he fixed them < 1403447975 797869 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ c.c < 1403447976 35866 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69    | c.c.c < 1403447976 275405 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69   /<  c.c < 1403448015 494026 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad both my IRC client and myndzi try compensate for nick lenghts independently. < 1403448019 713604 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/try // < 1403448049 525224 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah , thats why is not always right here < 1403448054 454312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it's lucky that ^celebrate is on fungot which has the same length then < 1403448054 780551 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ( or did you just automatically reconnecting? :) ( aren't i lazy :p) ( although, not pushing any one in the book < 1403448065 866482 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403448089 894881 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403448128 136768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi assumes that nicks align to the left < 1403448150 835450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no way to support both conventions < 1403448207 641447 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure there is < 1403448217 62782 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban everyone who doesn't have a six letter nickname < 1403448238 684510 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, myndzi, fungot, me: the enlightened ones < 1403448238 920519 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: well, you could just use a cons, you should be able to < 1403448257 166617 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 NICK :passwo < 1403448265 901391 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1403448296 72889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: so simple! < 1403448314 115118 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote rounded < 1403448314 525998 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :800) <olsner> it's not completely obvious since the displayed nick lengths are rounded to the closest integer < 1403448315 938131 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, just use cons. < 1403448323 557393 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1403448324 364278 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help <command>. < 1403448329 654276 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help lisp < 1403448329 897533 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember the context, but it could have been this < 1403448330 145683 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Sorry, I have no help for lisp! < 1403448332 624403 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1403448335 583682 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No lisp :( < 1403448345 551657 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403448407 763534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't give help for individual languages < 1403448416 347259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1403448416 653359 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1403448429 823099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i think it has lisp < 1403448492 72236 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help boolfuck < 1403448492 388489 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Sorry, I have no help for boolfuck! < 1403448496 510963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unlambda `.!`.i`.hi < 1403448498 791638 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1403448528 287097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble scramble < 1403448528 534699 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :srmlebac < 1403448553 482254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble unscramble < 1403448553 734058 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :uenlsbcmra < 1403448554 418427 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble boooooooobs < 1403448554 673782 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boooosboooo < 1403448659 619297 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many bots is in this room? < 1403448682 948739 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:ac15:a2fd:643e:5336 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403448684 149984 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :One more now. < 1403448695 221870 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolf < 1403448707 682477 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "booooobs"R@5!! < 1403448708 95363 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:ac15:a2fd:643e:5336 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "bo" < 1403448708 328782 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:ac15:a2fd:643e:5336 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.1562598s < 1403448712 896502 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "booooobs"r@5!! < 1403448713 128283 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:ac15:a2fd:643e:5336 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "booooobs" < 1403448713 128496 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:ac15:a2fd:643e:5336 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.015608s < 1403448768 142203 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403448780 712230 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsqbot please do quit < 1403448780 956532 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:ac15:a2fd:643e:5336 QUIT :Client Quit < 1403448815 555886 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so obedient < 1403448823 977511 :passwordBOT!~passwordB@197.78.184.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403448940 855517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :passwo: i see applybot clog glogbot HackEgo idris-bot fungot EgoBot lambdabot oh there's one more passwordBOT so 9 < 1403448941 101090 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i smell. it was a joke in there that you don't) then sicp is an awesome book < 1403448958 942870 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+bf:>> < 1403448967 975944 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+bf:>> < 1403448968 564823 :passwordBOT!~passwordB@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 |0| < 1403448977 630790 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1403448986 549287 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats all mine does < 1403449028 501156 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at the code , i definitely had too much time then < 1403449080 503046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means, shockingly, that we're back below 10% bots again < 1403449082 961781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1403449084 582895 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13lazecoin 04lynncoin 07chalcoin 08llentalk:braicoin 09tantcoin 02immercoin 06auocoin 13ooicoin 04clesiscoin 07gomcoin 08ethcoin 09huncoin 02proogcoin 06///coin 13mercacoin 04enigcoin 07nowrcoin 08phisioncoin 09muvcoin 02falgecoin < 1403449088 782805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you forgot me < 1403449096 346015 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`style BANCStar < 1403449096 972706 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: style: not found < 1403449117 218603 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+bfsetresetoff < 1403449139 645199 :passwordBOT!~passwordB@197.78.184.41 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403449144 534044 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1403449163 668261 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self , closing application causes bot to quit < 1403449259 942393 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:ac15:a2fd:643e:5336 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403449263 472057 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!foo (add $0 1) < 1403449263 733683 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:ac15:a2fd:643e:5336 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Value 1 < 1403449263 956144 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:ac15:a2fd:643e:5336 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156048s < 1403449266 498115 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!foo (add $0 2) < 1403449266 741854 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:ac15:a2fd:643e:5336 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Value 2 < 1403449266 964432 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:ac15:a2fd:643e:5336 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0s < 1403449326 790009 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!foo (if== $0 0 (r 5) (if== $0 1 1 (if== 1 (odd $0) (r (add (mul 3 $0) 1)) (r (div $0 2))))) < 1403449327 31380 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:ac15:a2fd:643e:5336 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Value 1 < 1403449327 250495 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:ac15:a2fd:643e:5336 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0s < 1403449334 470881 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403449401 592559 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!foo (if== $0 0 (r 5) (if== $0 1 1 (mul $0 (r (sub $0 1))))) < 1403449401 856029 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:ac15:a2fd:643e:5336 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Value 120 < 1403449402 82879 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:ac15:a2fd:643e:5336 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0s < 1403449403 454547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :passwo: it's when closing the application does _not_ do that you need to be worried for the safety of humanity hth < 1403449435 473357 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!foo (if== $0 0 (r 6) (if== $0 1 1 (mul $0 (r (sub $0 1))))) < 1403449435 716680 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:ac15:a2fd:643e:5336 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Value 720 < 1403449435 931179 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:ac15:a2fd:643e:5336 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156048s < 1403449439 583520 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. < 1403449463 541105 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403449464 744240 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very true oerjan < 1403449482 168562 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is !foo < 1403449485 499869 :passwordBOT!~passwordB@197.78.184.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403449504 210606 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hve seen foo everywhere < 1403449519 747826 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: Doesn't have a fixed name yet < 1403449546 43284 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially $n refers to arguments < 1403449555 740353 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :r is the recursion Operator < 1403449556 837234 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :r is recurse? < 1403449557 754464 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+bflist: < 1403449564 519618 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's called with $0=0 first? < 1403449590 459312 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1403449593 790701 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+bflist: < 1403449594 693570 :passwordBOT!~passwordB@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commands are +bflist: +bf: +bfreset: +bfdump: +bfdumpascii:. This bf interpreter has pointer too!Type +bfop: for a qiuck list < 1403449600 447006 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1403449621 195658 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1403449622 547599 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol at the engrish < 1403449683 929152 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:ac15:a2fd:643e:5336 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403449766 335329 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: Exactly < 1403449776 414236 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1403449777 271165 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my isp just went down :) < 1403449795 212866 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!foo (if== $0 0 (r 5 5) (add $0 $1)) < 1403449795 450327 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Value 10 < 1403449795 450500 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0s < 1403449914 103906 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intented to use it to teach programming by using a different approach then the "This is a PHP tutorial"-approach ;) < 1403449918 720182 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*than < 1403449953 570098 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403449975 819603 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like a "Here's 10 esolangs"-approach < 1403450053 525205 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'how to learn ten shitty programming languages in an hour' sounds marketable < 1403450080 666655 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1403450082 699828 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1403450228 510679 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Seven-Languages-Weeks-Programming-Programmers/dp/193435659X < 1403450229 806059 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not so much about actually learning the languages than about learning the concepts < 1403450289 214281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1403450494 859848 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good < 1403450673 381258 :Aetherspawn-!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lsftkdfaqslcylbk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1403451097 859121 :passwordBOT!~passwordB@197.78.184.41 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403451164 513659 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403451167 878231 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403451235 438156 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403451347 822866 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1403451628 443276 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1403451941 586864 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's tough though < 1403451947 393389 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's such a wide spectrum < 1403451954 81487 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point you have to get low level < 1403451958 643496 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you start at low level < 1403451965 680288 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point you have to go high level :) < 1403452208 242492 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :My lang now has if else end statements ^.^ < 1403452347 287114 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: By convention $0 defines which function you want to call < 1403452349 855022 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 being main < 1403452356 514457 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you can't define multiple functions < 1403452376 942095 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you encode which function to call in $0 and use if statements < 1403453164 661976 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!foo /1 2\ < 1403453164 900601 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : That line gave me an error < 1403453164 900791 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0312337s < 1403453266 824811 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!foo [1 2] < 1403453267 95373 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : List [Value 1,Value 2] < 1403453267 95563 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.015622s < 1403453276 999895 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!foo (cons $0 [1]) < 1403453277 239751 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : List [Get 0,Value 1] < 1403453277 239937 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0s < 1403453286 823599 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1403453288 35860 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1403453356 76957 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!foo (head (cons $0 [1])) < 1403453356 331231 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Uni "head" (Bin "cons" [Get 0,List [Value 1]]) < 1403453356 331437 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156048s < 1403453387 413481 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like something is too lazy < 1403453447 865186 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe you humans are being too eager to get a solution ;-) < 1403453466 592362 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!foo (head (cons $0 [1])) < 1403453466 845105 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Get 0 < 1403453466 845300 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156094s < 1403453468 353612 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1403453468 610904 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-ircslave ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1403453480 544305 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lists aren't evaluated < 1403453487 812072 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs evaluated lists anyway < 1403453549 556070 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!foo (head (cons $0 [1])) < 1403453549 802011 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Get 0 < 1403453549 802211 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156057s < 1403453561 394725 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth. < 1403453597 805340 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!foo (head (cons $0 [1])) < 1403453598 86964 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Value 0 < 1403453598 87157 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.033697s < 1403453599 631027 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1403453604 765251 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1403453628 125704 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!foo (head (cons $0 [$0])) < 1403453628 371175 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Value 0 < 1403453628 371395 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0s < 1403453832 694081 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1403454054 12293 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403454071 807277 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403455950 175899 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!foo (tail [1 2 3 4]) < 1403455950 400530 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : That line gave me an error < 1403455950 400716 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0312324s < 1403455954 507679 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1403456149 942125 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!foo (tail [1 2 3 4]) < 1403456150 207973 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : List [Value 2,Value 3,Value 4] < 1403456150 208175 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0312319s < 1403456156 56012 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!foo (null (tail [1 2 3 4])) < 1403456156 329464 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Value 0 < 1403456156 329665 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156043s < 1403456191 504534 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!foo (null (tail [1])) < 1403456191 760448 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Value 1 < 1403456191 760567 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156202s < 1403456213 13357 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pew < 1403456223 582906 :passwo!~password@197.78.184.41 NICK :password2 < 1403456370 175257 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gentzen14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39891&oldid=39890 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+581) 10 < 1403456483 951640 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its advancing: http://hastebin.com/opuqemaqop < 1403456816 839633 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gentzen14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39892&oldid=39891 5* 03Zzo38 5* (-78) 10 < 1403456842 180432 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1403457030 335703 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403458127 832681 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to make game which teaches programming < 1403458139 576971 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you have to buy each instruction < 1403458414 67594 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any recommendations on esolangs I could implement in my bot? < 1403458421 281977 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf^ < 1403458459 379978 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because thats the only one i have < 1403458463 289728 :passwordBOT!~passwordB@197.78.184.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403458473 274706 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf is already implemented in mine < 1403458490 560627 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is lolcode and deadfish,deadfish+ and swaglang < 1403458508 933642 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf^ > bf ,:P < 1403458515 849272 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+bfop: < 1403458529 462173 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :.-. < 1403458550 992432 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1403458559 20864 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it always misses the first time < 1403458560 782892 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+bfop: < 1403458561 795292 :passwordBOT!~passwordB@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck^ opperators are []()<>+-{},. () is like [] except it uses the value the current cell points to , {} is like -+ except it dec/inc the value the cell points to < 1403458569 526014 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1403458599 11652 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointers is actually boring < 1403458624 861508 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :.-. < 1403458648 343661 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I'm to stupid to use them properly in bf^ < 1403458733 11820 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Others? < 1403458815 941319 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1403458934 794347 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make your own esolang < 1403458947 952592 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already did. Two times. < 1403458952 624300 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today. < 1403458953 369184 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1403458954 369937 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1403458978 549789 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wittgen < 1403458987 827023 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someones productive/anti-productive today < 1403458995 399290 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it can be a neuromorphic chatbot. < 1403459138 106154 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been wondering what that language would even sue for input-output, and how it might actually get translated into some sort of neurological structure. < 1403459263 715032 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That or mechanique, so we can have irc text adventures. < 1403459325 326972 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-97.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403459338 720985 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, that language also seems kinda suited to conversational bot stuff, in that a text adventure that's just a conversation with the bot seems like it'd work at least well as AIML. < 1403459351 358469 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403459431 157411 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403459554 916400 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any requests that would be doable? < 1403459559 469291 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :.-. < 1403459582 3327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1403459802 979305 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could implement foo . < 1403459808 719715 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very easy to implement < 1403459817 829191 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1403459817 998628 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what the requirements of doable are, please link vifino doability specifications. < 1403459857 16419 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that has no input, only output, and accepts one liners < 1403459881 119348 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. < 1403459919 391596 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I''d think input would actually be doable, just not interactive input. < 1403459939 599208 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!foo (add 1 2) < 1403459939 749492 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Value 3 < 1403459939 749682 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0600375s < 1403459954 392304 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: .-. < 1403459956 240262 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1403459961 679894 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no interactive input < 1403460035 525607 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a language that only accept one-line programs, but which allows calling other programs as functions. < 1403460113 251006 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :.-. < 1403460148 449183 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1403460162 319589 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403460200 308216 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe something with reversible logic? < 1403460207 795758 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? < 1403460285 171900 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reversible logic is just login wherein all operations are bijective. < 1403460383 229892 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a list of those that are propey categorized as such: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Reversible_computing < 1403460489 278355 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :.-. < 1403460500 974412 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :My lang is gud compared to brainfuck < 1403460512 39461 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is .-. < 1403460527 672300 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current instruction set for swaglang http://hastebin.com/opuqemaqop < 1403460725 222077 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its kinda epic < 1403460768 896907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an epic swaglang < 1403460772 339954 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. a pastebin that requires javascript. brilliant < 1403460778 300005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it's for the win < 1403460793 677259 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a pastbin langage < 1403460803 56814 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adapt your language to rquire it to be in heroic couplets, then we'll talk < 1403460814 418440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's not #swag < 1403460828 228320 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh man look at the source < 1403460838 475171 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :content schmontent < 1403460882 180852 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is textarea even allowed outside of forms? < 1403460922 304394 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No villainous couplets? < 1403460953 396464 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I did. There is some jquery stuff in there, and some hilight.js, but no paste. < 1403460959 561410 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it tho :s < 1403460962 767562 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i mean. It Is Humorous < 1403460974 116269 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it has a twitter function < 1403460992 626552 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: it means iambic pentameter couplets, you philistine < 1403461060 858408 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand it's lacking the usual google analytics crap. I'm almost willing to enable javascript for that. < 1403461063 520334 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will also accept alliterative verse, for extra #swag. < 1403461070 399765 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403461129 621710 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but of course it does fetch jquery from one of google's servers.) < 1403461143 165984 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Swag < 1403461143 316206 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0270184s < 1403461147 616149 :ragnaroek!4db403a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.180.3.165 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1403461231 980731 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: There's no no need to make fun of ancient palestine like that. < 1403461263 868215 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistinism < 1403461429 761055 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah. < 1403461439 590900 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you understand puns. < 1403461487 230399 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't think you understand the exeter book!!! < 1403461723 355724 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403461793 274734 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone's offered to teach me old English in the first place, but fair enough. < 1403461806 247043 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1403462059 328610 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403462484 418342 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403462555 241963 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1403462567 770563 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1403462780 940787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403463217 381765 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403465918 811221 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 123456 2B!f: < 1403465919 256562 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{11 '0} {6 '1}} < 1403465919 408730 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0180106s < 1403465932 995604 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1234567 2B!f: < 1403465933 146325 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{11 '1} {10 '0}} < 1403465933 146523 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0100034s < 1403466453 389578 :passwordBOT!~passwordB@197.78.184.41 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403466513 893416 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403467656 350166 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@69-82.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403468189 581113 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1403468667 315359 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403468685 429212 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403468850 539733 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1403469097 359816 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403469872 291222 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some spam said this http://pastie.org/private/0ztiffrizazjjh14vl6dw < 1403469965 10345 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, apparently it was sent two days ago, and I didn't see it until today. So I guess I'm dead and didn't know it? < 1403470006 690767 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll invite you to the funeral. < 1403470218 417305 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You may be living a lie. [I wish I had come up with this pun myself] < 1403470389 298394 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :complete exchange, but where is it from? the esolang mailing list, perhaps? http://sprunge.us/PWdN < 1403470950 921468 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1403471967 488443 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403473114 627648 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403473228 460788 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-29.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403473662 422961 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-29.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403473788 713137 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-89-199.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403474863 883615 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403474915 170091 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Me sais Laptop sleepy. < 1403475062 549877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1403475131 92823 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellœrjan. < 1403475163 865474 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.198.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403475214 235231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evenoily < 1403475276 776968 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403475280 90130 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1403475280 498208 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 222200Z 20008KT 30SM FEW055 FEW240 23/10 A2997 RMK CU1CI1 CI TR SLP150 DENSITY ALT 1000FT < 1403475283 911452 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA < 1403475284 298935 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 222150Z 29011KT 9999 SCT030 BKN051 10/05 Q1015 RMK WIND 670FT 29018KT < 1403475297 148134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh service < 1403475305 234907 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. it's always +10 on your end. < 1403475321 208947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're having a cold wave, naturally. < 1403475337 535133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coldest june ever, or something. < 1403475364 263426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there's a pair of high/low pressure areas leading air from the north pole < 1403475416 144078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, coldest stretch of june days. the beginning was pretty hot. < 1403475428 737149 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1403475556 181524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mind is somehow assuming this means air has to go from somewhere else _to_ the north pole. maybe we finally get the ice free pole that has been predicted for a while < 1403475575 275985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hotter air < 1403475584 861106 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.198.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403475611 559277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if anyone has made a comic of santa's workshop sinking... < 1403475652 403424 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.facebook.com/DavidSuzuki/posts/10150423873498874 ? < 1403475683 22359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :googling that phrase seems to bring up a number of pages denying it will happen. < 1403475710 285364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and that. < 1403475720 663325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i said *comic*, not discussion. sheeh. < 1403475723 860626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1403475857 893725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is merely descriptive http://ep.yimg.com/ty/cdn/realityzone/UFNnosantacartoon.jpg < 1403475904 103541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was better. not really a comic though https://sassywire.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/santa2.jpg < 1403476080 931376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1403476081 121300 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-ircslave ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1403476095 47505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show prefixes < 1403476095 198052 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-ircslave ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !)S < 1403476119 411213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def prefixes ul (Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !)S < 1403476119 561341 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1403476131 49614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cat bin/prefixes < 1403476131 863760 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/prefixes < 1403476137 328850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1403476143 845866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/prefixes < 1403476144 593549 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ echo 'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-ircslave ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !' < 1403476164 100175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/ircslave/bot/' bin/prefixes < 1403476165 583790 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1403476171 351471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show prefixes < 1403476171 887603 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh echo 'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-ircslave ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !' < 1403476179 331123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp prefixes < 1403476179 789246 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Interpreter prefixes deleted. < 1403476207 556469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp prefixes sh echo 'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !' < 1403476207 993074 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what?! are you read? i still don't see how the varargs thing complicates typing much more than i do. i just don't enjoy writing in linj ( i did not < 1403476208 143623 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Interpreter prefixes installed. < 1403476219 351834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1403476219 502007 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1403476223 358089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`prefixes < 1403476223 510010 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1403476226 297663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!prefixes < 1403476226 927411 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1403476236 432254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1403477228 605031 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :tout < 1403477232 837295 :tout!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1403477674 915473 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403477683 452029 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I thought of something. < 1403477714 406681 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applications often have things that are kind of like program flow, but aren't actually implemented as program flow. < 1403477790 73146 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, suppose you have an application with a screen system, where screens form a tree, and each screen can only be accessed by entering it from the parent screen. < 1403477852 527484 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could, in theory, implement each screen as a subroutine, such that a screen is displayed when and only when that subroutine is running. Then the flow control correctly determines the order that screens can be accessed. < 1403477925 597417 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of non-linear continuation-chained subroutines? < 1403477976 253288 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They wouldn't need to be continuation-chained or anything, because the screens can only be accessed in, like, a subroutine-like way. < 1403477996 380322 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. Alternatively, you could just keep the current screen in a variable, and have a single event loop that just processes input differently depending on what screen you happen to be on. < 1403478015 340159 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that feels very continuaty. < 1403478039 480595 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're sort of simulating program control by just keeping the "execution pointer" in a variable and dealing with everything manually. < 1403478055 703978 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes me wonder if you could make a programming language where program flow isn't provided. < 1403478129 968976 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can't just say "do A and then do B"; you have to somehow manually arrange things such that B is executed after A is executed. < 1403478393 332504 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is confused < 1403478423 225919 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, uhh. < 1403478438 296606 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose I want to write an interpreter for an ordinary imperative language. < 1403478534 426724 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interpreter is probably going to have a variable containing the inner program's stack, and there's going to be an indefinite loop that repeatedly looks at the stack, looks up the next instruction, executes it, and updates the stack accordingly. < 1403478784 823256 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-89-199.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403478819 927477 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you had a language without any built-in flow control, perhaps you'd have to simulate it by doing something like what this interpreter has to do. < 1403478921 778162 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-116.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403478934 892526 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I was thinking maybe such a language would just have "whenever" statements. Whenever X, do Y. You can't say "whenever X, do Y and then do Z"; you have to just say "whenever X, do Y" and make Y be something that causes Z to execute later down the line. < 1403478941 708593 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking that maybe the language could be called Whenever. < 1403478953 868722 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But apparently there's already a language called Whenever. < 1403479009 164900 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, sure enough, doesn't have control flow. < 1403479063 60946 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your whenever sounds more whenevy than whenever. maybe you should call it Whenevest? < 1403479185 914543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever < 1403479189 315589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1403479220 541674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever's defer statement seems like whenever statements, except with the opposite test < 1403479329 608897 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. So every language is supposed to be a subset of Haskell, right? < 1403479399 552446 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :E has a couple of interesting features. One of them is the "eventual send" primitive, which essentially lets you queue up an action to be performed later. < 1403479401 705181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm... < 1403479409 649582 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other is the way references work. < 1403479433 305416 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In E, when you queue up an action, you immediately get a reference to the result of the action, even though the action hasn't been performed yet. < 1403479502 347663 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When queueing up an action, you can use one of these "delayed references" the same way you could use any other reference. < 1403479505 250223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you could do that in haskell with some threads and unsafeInterleaveIO < 1403479559 561785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it wouldn't be pure < 1403479562 313737 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In E, these references are transparent, but no power is lost if you use a subset of E where all of these references must be explicitly waited upon. < 1403479574 466212 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say "when reference X resolves, perform action Y". < 1403479587 695401 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturally, you immediately get a reference to the result of action Y, even though it hasn't been performed yet. < 1403479611 670217 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I think all this adds up to exactly one special thing you can do in E. < 1403479637 790860 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely: queue up a function call with some "delayed references" as arguments and receive a "delayed reference" to the result of the function. < 1403480010 481369 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403480341 489279 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay, there's one more interesting feature of E. References can refer to objects on other machines. < 1403480361 742345 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am amazed at how many people trying to explain closures on the internet think they're the same as anonymous functions < 1403480541 976102 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignoring the thing about objects on other machines, I think this is what these "delayed references" come down to: < 1403480552 27444 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, few languages have anonymous functions that don't close. < 1403480556 851306 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Eventually a; instance Monad Eventually; queueUp :: Eventually (IO a) -> IO (Eventually a) < 1403480667 483612 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that doesn't quite do it. In E, if you queue up a job to be performed, it is guaranteed that the job will not begin until the current job has ended. < 1403480679 147687 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell doesn't have a notion of "the current job". < 1403480849 568360 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but they all have nonymous functions that close too < 1403480870 395389 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1403480902 949688 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could just add another function, jobDone :: IO a, which ends the current job and grabs one from the queue. < 1403480926 692193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i think that would be "onymous" < 1403480933 163180 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "nymous"? < 1403480947 826099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the greek word for name is "onyma" < 1403480950 536036 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1403480965 395582 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the English word here would be "denominated" actually. < 1403480970 495703 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That explains why the English word for "anonymous" isn't "annymous" or something. < 1403481007 221874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :annie mouse < 1403481792 811451 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403482044 889065 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/28t6he/not_sure_i_have_high_hopes_for_this_class/ < 1403482050 467392 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should make a C+ esolang < 1403482203 191013 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-116.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maaaaan i'd be so bored in that curriculum < 1403482324 91375 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the joy of never having classes no more... < 1403482337 376655 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes. I do still have nightmares from time to time about school.) < 1403482383 266676 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-116.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shoulda taken a cooler major, like kinesthesiology < 1403482640 760889 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403482660 709163 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403482715 227405 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: like a cross between C and C++ or something? < 1403482762 264861 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Omitting features that other C++ features rely on to make sense < 1403482940 492371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Eventually = MVar? < 1403483013 679821 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you could probably implement Eventually with MVar. < 1403483031 180348 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure Haskell doesn't guarantee that only one thread will be executing at a time. < 1403483318 319625 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403483359 451234 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403483359 601404 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1403483535 681905 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.izs.me/post/59142742143/designing-apis-for-asynchrony < 1403483928 654021 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. Language idea. < 1403483982 779906 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A program consists of an array containing movable objects and stationary objects. Execution consists of repeatedly selecting an arbitrary movable object and direction, and moving it as far as it will go in that direction. < 1403484014 678552 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without overlapping any other objects. < 1403484097 252910 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403484138 713247 :yonathan135!~canaima@181-17-160-201.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1403484273 886767 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403484293 558197 :yonathan135!~canaima@181-17-160-201.dyn.movilnet.com.ve PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1403484307 48080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido yonathan135 < 1403484307 824926 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yonathan135: ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.) < 1403484314 129960 :yonathan135!~canaima@181-17-160-201.dyn.movilnet.com.ve PART :#esoteric < 1403484835 779137 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-116.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403484910 531115 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403484973 648038 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1403484998 523984 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that may be the cleanest hispanophone-handling I ever saw in this chännel. < 1403485082 912064 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the command "bienvenido", like "having been welcomed"? < 1403485122 355360 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably should be "bienvenir", like "to welcome", aye? < 1403485138 689332 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenue moi-même < 1403485139 267178 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bienvenue: not found < 1403485150 826872 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. weird. where was the French version again? < 1403485177 197829 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh shucks. < 1403485198 843055 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should promote Lepwick by creating an IRC bot that executes Unix commands in some account. < 1403485207 267338 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it's the same in French. you wish to somebody that they had a nice well come. (or something probably more grammatical than that.) < 1403485228 279083 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«je vous souhaite la bienvenue» → “I wish to you that you came well” < 1403485250 725452 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403485256 88058 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well, yeah, you say "bienvenido" to a person in order to welcome them. < 1403485282 669634 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you wanted to order someone else to welcome someone, you wouldn't say "bienvenido" to the orderee. < 1403485298 448335 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor would you say "bienvenir", for that matter. Unless the orderee is a computer. < 1403485323 103847 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's the latest best IRC bot? < 1403485382 166086 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FutaServ < 1403485396 342432 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FutaServ??? < 1403485419 612885 :barrucadu!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu NICK :barruca2 < 1403485427 393849 :barruca2!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu NICK :barrucadu < 1403485470 86802 :barrucadu!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu NICK :barruca2 < 1403485478 958544 :barruca2!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu NICK :barrucadu < 1403485600 414331 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, I destroyed littlesyl's sudoers database. < 1403485663 999706 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, I can magically undestroy it. < 1403485898 118160 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1403486050 831649 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: WELLCAMED CHICKEN < 1403486052 858156 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403486175 607348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/welcome* < 1403486176 432993 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/welcome \ wisdom/welcome.bork \ wisdom/welcome.es \ wisdom/welcome.fi < 1403486195 171132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep bienvenu wisdom/* < 1403486195 922933 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: wisdom/d: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory < 1403486196 73090 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                                   | < 1403486196 223393 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                                 º¯`\o < 1403486209 509577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like we don't have any < 1403486222 579721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1403486225 528537 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what's something you can't do in HackEgo? < 1403486232 879628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -i bien wisdom/* < 1403486234 495655 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/bienvenue:Bienvenue au centre international pour le design et le déploiement des langages de programmation ésotériques! Pour plus d’informations, visitez le wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Pour l’autre type d'ésotérisme, essayez #esoteric sur irc.dal.net.) \ grep: wisdom/d: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a di < 1403486237 714023 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides resolving DNS? < 1403486245 889036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly case < 1403486530 633674 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deepnds on what you mean by "in" < 1403486533 14636 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`yes < 1403486533 524013 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y < 1403486549 422401 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't make it spam itself to death < 1403486577 845913 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403486589 653012 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, something you might hope to be able to do with a Unix shell that you can't do with HackEgo. < 1403486598 633369 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1403486614 119471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: vim is probably pretty awkward to use hth < 1403486627 471215 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tht < 1403486652 656519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1403486678 236447 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`irssi < 1403486678 612771 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: irssi: not found < 1403486681 747923 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`emacs < 1403486682 153289 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: emacs: not found < 1403486688 69012 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dag < 1403486689 380486 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`vi < 1403486719 678282 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vim: Warning: Output is not to a terminal \ [?25h[?8c[?25h[?0c[?25l[?1c~ ~ ~ < 1403486787 456304 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403486843 882495 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403487222 736235 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good < 1403487474 517487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh i got a blue screen of death on windows 8 < 1403487564 908606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :grumble, now i need to find my place again in the shtetl-optimized comment tabs < 1403487639 708054 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403487648 403609 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1403487688 735519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, his page numbers aren't chronological < 1403487926 421626 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403487931 344457 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unix whoami < 1403487931 494622 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: unpl unpf undo < 1403487939 818971 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should figure out what lepwick's command prefix is. < 1403487953 207467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lepwick is a bot? < 1403487969 932570 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lepwick is, yeah. < 1403487970 82937 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lepwick isn't, but lepwick is. < 1403487974 942188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i almost `relcomed it last time it was < 1403487984 665798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :here < 1403488008 169750 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome lepwick < 1403488008 319916 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08lepwick: 09Welcome 02to 06the 13international 04hub 07for 08esoteric 09programming 02language 06design 13and 04deployment! 07For 08more 09information, 02check 06out 13our 04wiki: 07<http://esolangs.org/>. 08(For 09the 02other 06kind 13of 04esoterica, 07try 08#esoteric 09on 02irc.dal.net.) < 1403488008 833290 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 404 Not Found ] - esolangs.org < 1403488054 508355 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix whoami < 1403488054 709483 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NameError: global name 'subprocess' is not defined (file "/home/ircbot/.willie/modules/unix.py", line 6, in unix) < 1403488062 926774 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1403488086 309987 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like [ 404 Not Found ] - http://esolangs.org/%3E < 1403488106 467685 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403488142 716888 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403488158 963702 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1403488191 717924 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot to import subprocess. < 1403488202 543956 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. < 1403488203 602733 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1403488253 526342 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought lepwick was no longer running. < 1403488257 682905 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1403488257 833179 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to ps, lepwick is indeed no longer running. < 1403488293 768574 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403488346 229866 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That took a really long time to quit. < 1403488354 35932 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what... < 1403488372 880912 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lepwick: how are you still here? The process isn't running any more! < 1403488483 349355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lepwick isn't here hth < 1403488518 408569 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :lepwick < 1403488537 641926 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403488548 327603 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1403488553 852821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :either you are really lagged or you aren't responding to pings hth < 1403488559 779725 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403488633 522311 :lepwick!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo tell < 1403488640 646608 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell < 1403488682 291707 :lepwick!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess I am really lagged. < 1403488685 631514 :lepwick!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so lagged that I haven't gotten your message saying that I'm really lagged. < 1403488699 447635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1403488709 238100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and _still_ hasn't responded to my pings. < 1403488722 595027 :lepwick!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: lepwick < 1403488724 296818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there < 1403488736 459668 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1403488739 518214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :212 seconds < 1403488782 619895 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, gee, it's traveling HALFWAY AROUND THE WORLD. < 1403488788 172610 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett NICK :lepwick < 1403488811 246182 :lepwick!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett NICK :tswett < 1403488859 289753 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403488866 14947 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix whoami < 1403488866 165155 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ircbotbox < 1403488870 674856 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo. < 1403488907 119602 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix echo -e 'blah\nblah\nblah' < 1403488907 278285 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :blahblahblah < 1403488944 693083 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah. < 1403488958 229586 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403488996 153759 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix false < 1403488996 303999 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CalledProcessError: Command '['sudo', '-u', 'ircbotbox', 'bash', '-c', u'false']' returned non-zero exit status 1 (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/subprocess.py", line 573, in check_output) < 1403489165 593663 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403489172 779894 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1403489185 571145 :wagner!4d0b5c81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.92.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403489282 369705 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix sed 's/lepwick/lepwick2/' /home/ircbot/.willie/default.cfg stupidwilliecfg < 1403489282 585955 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CalledProcessError: Command '['sudo', '-u', 'ircbotbox', 'bash', '-c', u"sed 's/lepwick/lepwick2/' /home/ircbot/.willie/default.cfg stupidwilliecfg"]' returned non-zero exit status 2 (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/subprocess.py", line 573, in check_output) < 1403489305 463670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome wagner < 1403489315 462128 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-puiszzxyxttigfwc JOIN :#esoteric < 1403489318 970393 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix sed 's/member:lepwick/lepwick2/' /home/ircbot/.willie/default.cfg stupidwilliecfg 2>&1; true < 1403489319 157299 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: can't read stupidwilliecfg: No such file or directory[core]nick = lepwickhost = irc.freenode.netuse_ssl = Falseport = 6667owner = tswettchannels = #esotericexclude = url[db]userdb_type = sqliteuserdb_file = /home/ircbot/userdb.sqlite < 1403489324 905591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, HackEgo isn't here < 1403489332 183982 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo isn't here? < 1403489333 238530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wagner: hi! no bother intended if not, but are you hagb4rd? (just a persistent problem with a ban-evading user who uses your ISP) < 1403489343 905794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: okay, HackEgo is here, but ignored me < 1403489379 730241 :wagner!4d0b5c81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.92.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1403489407 995468 :wagner!4d0b5c81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.92.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi@all < 1403489422 161823 :wagner!4d0b5c81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.92.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagbard celine? < 1403489476 257496 :wagner!4d0b5c81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.92.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka karl kochj? i think he's dead.. suicide. < 1403489545 999637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wagner: have you ever been banned here before, under another name? < 1403489563 502878 :wagner!4d0b5c81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.92.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1403489627 947779 :wagner!4d0b5c81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.92.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know karl koch? a famous german hacker in the 80s < 1403489683 594656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. okay, I find that interesting, since the only person to use your ISP in here in many, many months is him, and he's also evaded his ban with webchat before on the IP range 77.11.*. you also type like him and act like him < 1403489691 619118 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wagner: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1403489697 411612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean to fuss you if you are truly someone else, but I'm sure you can see how that looks pretty suspicious in isolation :) < 1403489772 437498 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix PYTHONPATH=/home/ircbot/lib/python /home/ircbot/bin/willie -d -c /home/ircbotbox/stupidwillie.cfg < 1403489839 268495 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm-hmm. < 1403489846 644257 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whelp. Have at it. < 1403489892 685780 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix rm -rf ~ < 1403489892 904018 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CalledProcessError: Command '['sudo', '-u', 'ircbotbox', 'bash', '-c', u'rm -rf ~']' returned non-zero exit status 1 (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/subprocess.py", line 573, in check_output) < 1403489913 124152 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right. Because < 1403489919 857303 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix whoami; echo ~ < 1403489920 7411 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ircbotbox/home/ircbot < 1403489942 533223 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix rm -rf /home/ircbotbox/* < 1403490126 759682 :wagner!4d0b5c81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.92.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he used to say hi too? :) well..probably same ISP. and webchat is the only web-client i know working with freenode..isn't it? < 1403490218 124489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give you the benefit of the doubt :) (but in case you are him, I think it's a good sign you don't know what tells I'm going by!) < 1403490299 795885 :wagner!4d0b5c81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.92.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i'm not sure if i want to stay by myself. i give you the benefit of not knowing if i like it here ;) < 1403490393 376951 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sleep 300; echo hi < 1403490396 662384 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix sleep 300; echo hi < 1403490414 60090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wagner: sorry for the poor welcome :) < 1403490419 132451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's rather persistent. < 1403490425 121340 :wagner!4d0b5c81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.92.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :np :) < 1403490425 926358 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1403490436 775485 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? This is why lepwick is superior. < 1403490503 272016 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's any time limit on computations. < 1403490682 5484 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on the edge of my seat. < 1403490696 832375 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1403490701 372536 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1403490701 685674 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | < 1403490702 206198 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/| < 1403490736 648334 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix sleep 200000; echo 'hi everyone :)' < 1403490741 234461 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not on the edge of my seat for this one. < 1403490773 755743 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that anyone can interact with the process, kill it, whatever. Isn't that awesome. < 1403491205 198997 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403491331 313957 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1403491419 760271 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run uname -a < 1403491420 470855 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.13.0-umlbox #1 Wed Jan 29 12:56:45 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1403491527 607975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix echo are you multitasking < 1403491527 758493 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you multitasking < 1403491822 948140 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I try to get a bot to repsond to another one again, since there's a new one. < 1403491857 213129 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix sleep 10; echo hi fungot < 1403491857 495745 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: it logs the date and time every time you cast the result of the < 1403491867 347557 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungot < 1403491867 718236 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lepwick: really? why not some other writer? sn fnord fnord /usr/ lib... so i could provide. < 1403491906 418414 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, hmm. < 1403492019 423812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1403492038 524619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by tradition you're supposed to make a bot loop hth < 1403492121 430061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix echo hm ^hm < 1403492121 580321 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ^hm < 1403492157 52344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see how to do it but i'm overqualified < 1403492213 26215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To avoid bot loop you can make it detect overuse and reply using a NOTICE instead of PRIVMSG in such a case, which therefore exits the loop. < 1403492232 383817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: we're not trying to avoid it hth < 1403492294 552287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: fungot has a convenient ^echo command. < 1403492294 796002 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it could be, with directsound or normal wave out... something like ( apply f < 1403492525 976300 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well to avoid the loop being avoided, you could take advantage of delays. < 1403492593 365951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1403492610 987355 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I know I could say .unix sleep 10; echo ^echo whatever < 1403492658 611210 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for it to be unending I'll need to figure out how to duplicate and concatinate in a one liner. < 1403492662 246523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually there are ways to still cause it be avoided, depending how much the delay is. For example you can probably avoid loop being avoided in such way by doubling the delay each time. < 1403492683 487790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: second hint: ^echo doesn't do what you think it does (unless you already know about it) < 1403492700 326328 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, I'll ahve to test it. < 1403492706 841566 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo echo < 1403492707 29696 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo echo < 1403492712 218421 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403492714 712867 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo sup < 1403492714 863026 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup sup < 1403492893 850886 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo .unix sleep 60; echo ^echo < 1403492894 106023 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix sleep 60; echo ^echo .unix sleep 60; echo ^echo < 1403492916 221896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i think that's broken < 1403492917 994720 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to wait a minute and see how that goes. < 1403492954 75454 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo .unix sleep 60^echo < 1403492954 225801 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix sleep 60^echo .unix sleep 60^echo < 1403492957 165644 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CalledProcessError: Command '['sudo', '-u', 'ircbotbox', 'bash', '-c', u'sleep 60^echo .unix sleep 60^echo']' returned non-zero exit status 1 (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/subprocess.py", line 573, in check_output) < 1403493023 352810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that wasn't what i thought would be wrong. < 1403493036 362224 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the power of echo? < 1403493067 119881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1403493091 915979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid ; is interpreted by lepwick instead of passed on to fungot < 1403493092 66162 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but i dont have the high level < 1403493144 400379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the extra space didn't matter because it's being parsed into words anyway < 1403493198 738212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would probably work without the sleep >:) < 1403493236 16780 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess only one way to find out? < 1403493241 318590 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ^echo .unix echo ^echo or some such? < 1403493250 794004 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo .unix echo < 1403493250 944342 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix echo .unix echo < 1403493251 94685 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix echo < 1403493267 152104 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo .unix echo ^echo < 1403493267 302265 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix echo ^echo .unix echo ^echo < 1403493267 818715 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo .unix echo ^echo < 1403493267 969356 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix echo ^echo .unix echo ^echo < 1403493268 159819 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo .unix echo ^echo < 1403493268 310094 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix echo ^echo .unix echo ^echo < 1403493269 4072 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo .unix echo ^echo < 1403493269 154481 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix echo ^echo .unix echo ^echo < 1403493269 762215 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo .unix echo ^echo < 1403493269 912350 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix echo ^echo .unix echo ^echo < 1403493270 566464 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo .unix echo ^echo < 1403493270 717176 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix echo ^echo .unix echo ^echo < 1403493271 366983 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo .unix echo ^echo < 1403493271 517220 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix echo ^echo .unix echo ^echo < 1403493272 165964 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo .unix echo ^echo < 1403493272 316449 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix echo ^echo .unix echo ^echo < 1403493272 983512 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo .unix echo ^echo < 1403493273 133772 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix echo ^echo .unix echo ^echo < 1403493273 768671 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo .unix echo ^echo < 1403493273 919305 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix echo ^echo .unix echo ^echo < 1403493274 569933 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo .unix echo ^echo < 1403493274 720427 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix echo ^echo .unix echo ^echo < 1403493275 301819 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +q :*!*@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com > 1403493275 335522 NAMES :#esoteric < 1403493277 727957 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1403493285 561972 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sevastopol < 1403493298 491900 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all your fault nooodl < 1403493304 406733 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's: a good way to test < 1403493309 567518 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :texhnolysis < 1403493329 467852 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric -q :*!*@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com > 1403493329 489511 NAMES :#esoteric < 1403493339 645211 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose idea was it to make fungot's echo a potential y-combinator? < 1403493339 908456 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: isn't it fnord in haskell. um... that seemo person doesn't seem particularly censored to me either < 1403493362 166639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: well it's just stupid for an echo _not_ to repeat things, right? < 1403493386 198323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a mockingbird, not Y < 1403493391 114807 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if it's going to repeat them, it should repeat them on separate lines and in a much smaller font < 1403493398 976205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should really just make it detect a possible loop and reply using NOTICE if such a thing seems likely, when writing such IRC bot program. < 1403493405 447938 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fr: echo command that repeats the final word... word... word... < 1403493411 491784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, make it to never reply to any NOTICE. < 1403493417 837195 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: good idea. oh wait, rice's theorem < 1403493440 390278 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wait, why'd lepwick stop responding. < 1403493444 796886 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could just cut messages beginning in punctuation. < 1403493449 591952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: fungot's commands cannot do newlines < 1403493449 810355 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah it is. it being pleasant mitigates the effect somewhat. and i don't < 1403493453 44343 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: +q < 1403493466 539713 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i like nooodl's idea < 1403493467 644022 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1403493499 518990 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You totally should have come up with a .unix command that would kill the offending echo. < 1403493503 795282 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Man censoring us < 1403493506 847809 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in a concatenative language, what's the difference? < 1403493519 937937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same as in a non-concatenative language? < 1403493521 18343 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfair randomizer < 1403493562 127876 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason my client doesn't show the +q. < 1403493569 211437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: I know about Rice's theorem, but you only have to guess, not to be perfect, and I have some ideas about how to make such a guess, in several ways. In such ways, it will be the case such that doubling the delay every time is not detected by this algorithm, but that will slow it down sufficiently anyways and is not such a problem (if it is, a bot can be quit and reconnect, +q, or whatever) < 1403493575 566253 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you wanted, you could also make each response longer than tha last. < 1403493587 474782 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until some presumable characte r length is reached. < 1403493598 891992 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is fungot in any other channels? < 1403493599 172025 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: for c there is a linux on the newer computers, solaris just runs on the whole thing < 1403493612 541947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most annoying thing about the botloops here is that they make people start blabbering about NOTICE. < 1403493625 433200 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write down more ideas somewhere. < 1403493633 257416 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: see, if we had the bots issue a NOTICE NOTICE, we'd be able to avoid that < 1403493653 878631 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like #botloop? < 1403493661 833009 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sould issue SUPs instead. < 1403493673 217651 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a NOTICE, but they say SUP instead. < 1403493688 380788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think SUP is not a valid IRC command. < 1403493726 294174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: not that i know of < 1403493764 82816 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know all the IRC commands, and thought you just means lines starting with the word NOTICE in all caps. < 1403493810 685736 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett NOTICE #esoteric :The NOTICE command is another way of sending messages to a channel. Some IRC clients misinterpret NOTICEs as being important. < 1403493812 399770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean a message sent to the channel using NOTICE instead of PRIVMSG if the algorithm determines it likely that a botloop would be caused. < 1403493843 459300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTICE is also used for replying to client queries. < 1403493866 333395 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The intended use is that automatic responses are supposed to be NOTICEs, and an automatic response is never supposed to be generated to a NOTICE. < 1403493877 547240 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NOTICE #esoteric :According to Wikipedia, NOTICE works similarly to PRIVMSG, except automatic replies must never be sent in reply to NOTICE messages. < 1403493892 855728 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a great idea. < 1403493893 865815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Yes, and this is exactly what I am suggesting, in fact. < 1403493896 322502 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the idea is that bots could use notices. < 1403493899 233026 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody does that. < 1403493904 598484 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll say that a bot should only respond to a message that's repeated twice. < 1403493916 338246 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that bot loops decay exponentially. < 1403493922 247497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to start kicking people if my IRC workspace keeps going red. < 1403493942 421395 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switch clients hth, bro? < 1403493949 311846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am suggesting that if you do not want to use notices all the time, you can make it decide by using such thing. < 1403493958 96888 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to ban anybody who says hth < 1403493960 240601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also going to start kicking people if they say things like "hth, bro?" at me. < 1403493976 581900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even irssi makes notices more annoying than privmsg in channel :( < 1403493989 392160 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Can't you configure that somehow? < 1403493995 418179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the bro part. < 1403494005 556362 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there something like notices that gets less attention than notices? < 1403494009 73605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the IRC client I use, does not do any annoying/stupid things like that. < 1403494010 947126 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notices < 1403494012 224420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: /set beep_msg_level to disable notices. < 1403494013 802559 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe announements. < 1403494029 234759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: probably. but requiring _everyone_ to do that will get you hated. < 1403494068 765219 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Quit: Quitting on command from tswett < 1403494091 425961 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403494123 982696 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think going red every time an automated message is sent the way the protocol was designed to have it sent is the best design for a client. < 1403494127 799818 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can write just as well on a IRC channel, please don't make any bot respond to any command or event on the IRC using the PRIVMSG command; please use NOTICE instead, and don't ever reply to a NOTICE automatically. < 1403494161 160848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In such a channel most bots are not allowed until they are being fixed, of course!! < 1403494178 923837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately we haven't yet invented time machines to go back in time and put horse heads in the beds of bad irc client programmers. < 1403494192 331729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you haven't. < 1403494194 736156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when we do, all this will have been fixed hth < 1403494314 988687 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are bots allowed to respond to NOTICEs containing profanity? < 1403494326 804747 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1403494327 477464 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have been told also once that some features of my IRC client are more accurate than those of other clients, such as being able to respond to messages embedded inside of another message. ACTION (like this one) < 1403494334 278125 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that a loophole against anti-profanity bots in the interest of blocking botloops < 1403494340 718564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Not with another message. < 1403494362 194423 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're allowed to respond to any NOTICEs at all. < 1403494363 738073 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :...aye? < 1403494367 503376 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they wish to have a bot to avoid profanity (although I do not think this is a good idea at all!), just make it KICK without posting any other kind of message. < 1403494400 361418 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course it can still *log* notices and perform statistics on them, just not reply directly to them using a PRIVMSG, NOTICE, or similar. < 1403494447 397014 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does my "(like this one)" message appears in your IRC clients? What if it is a command other than ACTION, though? < 1403494469 414424 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that message to me looks like it ends in "message. ACTION (like this one)" < 1403494510 583166 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw something similar to tswett but there was a weird character in front and a weird character behind it < 1403494513 128277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Are there any colors or control-symbols displayed? There should be at least such thing < 1403494530 775927 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, what "weird character" is OK < 1403494544 419260 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :␁ in front ␁ behind < 1403494550 401356 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how that will display to others < 1403494592 29507 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION Does this message display differently to you? Here is another sentence afterward, does it affect it too? < 1403494599 872656 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See same weird character < 1403494612 731980 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2014-06-23 shows my copy/pasted version of the character, but not in your message < 1403494633 894246 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot sees that most recent message of yours as an ACTION < 1403494641 970893 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nope, no control symbols or colors or anything. < 1403494642 793186 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the second cut off < 1403494657 255800 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: then your second message displayed all as one emote. < 1403494676 61445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean the second sentence? I posted two sentences, one inside of the ACTION block and one outside. < 1403494692 658980 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"zzo38 Does this message display differently to you? Here is another sentence afterward, does it affect it too" < 1403494715 560368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1403494805 743938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think once someone tried sending a TIME request or something like that to the channel inside of the middle of another message, and mine is the only one that responded; I think the specification actually specifies that it is supposed to be allowed in the middle of other messages. < 1403494864 570689 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Slide14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39893 5* 03107.5.152.253 5* (+1149) 10Created page with "'''Slide''' is an esoteric programming language created by Tanner Swett in 2014. A Slide program consists of a two-dimensional array of spaces, periods, and lowercase English..." < 1403494957 912466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think that other IRC clients do not do syntax highlighting, isn't it? < 1403494980 441376 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax for what, natural langauge? < 1403494986 539040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, for IRC. < 1403495009 35712 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone prove my language Turing complete thanks. < 1403495010 718116 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1syntax 2for 3what5, 4natural 1language5? < 1403495064 957821 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it syntax highlight the IRC. For example it display ":Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net" in cyan, "PRIVMSG" in white, "#esoteric" in gray, the colon afterward in gray, and "syntax for what, natural langauge?" in blue. < 1403495078 65598 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1403495086 523587 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most IRC clients hide that stuff < 1403495094 504720 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there that RawIRC client that does in fact syntax highlight the IRC? < 1403495098 758527 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a client that shows you the raw message, huh < 1403495135 422327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, I have. < 1403495135 572554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is not useful to hide that kinds of stuff < 1403495140 856149 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Ds84182 5* 10New user account < 1403495177 480497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Maybe, but this is a different one, not RawIRC. < 1403495183 57401 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need to see "PRIVMSG #esoteric :" on every PRIVMSG sent to #esoteric to know that it's a PRIVMSG sent to #esoteric. < 1403495250 130329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still is not perfect; for example, there are no options to open additional windows and to redirect messages to other windows. There are a few other things missing too, but most of it is complete. < 1403495348 581433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commands that are typed in also use the same syntax highlighting, including client commands with a slash in front. Also I have shortcut, if no command is typed and the first key is a space-bar, it automatically fill in "PRIVMSG" and a channel and colon. < 1403495367 449662 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403495378 253880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my experience, this way better. < 1403495474 470059 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i don't know, but one thing i can prove is: you don't need the spaces < 1403495556 213604 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that by spaces you mean barriers rather than empty spaces? < 1403495569 985394 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof being: "zooming" all of your objects by a factor 3 obviously results in an equivalent one, and ' ' can then map to 'aaa\naba\naaa' < 1403495570 770349 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1403495592 232964 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1403495620 730734 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403495665 187982 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it's easy enough to create something that can move back and forth. < 1403495698 858931 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make a spaceship? A pattern that moves forever, but only in one direction? < 1403495839 726860 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make logic gates in any way? < 1403495989 346760 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Xihcute14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39894 5* 03Ds84182 5* (+602) 10Created page with "Xihcute is a esolanguage created by ds84182. It is self modifying, stack based, and most likely turning complete. ==Operators== {| class="wikitable" |- ! Name !! Description |..." < 1403496006 242667 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :.unix :(){ :|:& };: < 1403496063 299775 :lepwick!~willie@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403496065 412870 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-243.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1403496098 944291 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It actually worked? < 1403496102 588897 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-243.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1403496102 739324 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1403496113 869062 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it actually worked. < 1403496214 474036 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It worked so well that I can't SSH into the host. < 1403496280 351177 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. how do you prove a language *isn't* turing complete when you can't cheat by pointing out some "finity" limitation it runs into < 1403496295 343468 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solve its halting problem. < 1403496309 651011 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Xihcute14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39895&oldid=39894 5* 03Ds84182 5* (+578) 10Added more of Xihcutes instructions from it's working interpreter < 1403496338 788786 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many languages have solved halting problems that the solution is NOT 'always halts' or 'never halts'? < 1403496378 671770 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, that forkbomb was super effective. < 1403496381 13352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :as many as you'd like < 1403496409 651203 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what's the shortest /// program that outputs infinitely much stuff. < 1403496441 214561 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think one shorter than about a hundred characters has been found. < 1403496458 568516 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: take some language L with halting problem solution 'never halts'. define a language L' that halts for only one program p which is not in L, and otherwise behaves exactly like L < 1403496521 818498 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many such languages that were not designed to have "trivial" (whatever that means) answers? < 1403496549 255247 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't most languages pretty clearly designed to have some programs that halt and some that don't? < 1403496551 109253 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that sadly depends on: whatever that means < 1403496574 623091 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's possible to abuse the specification of Proce and make it do digital computation. < 1403496616 191213 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQL isn't TC, is it? Is it trivially halting? < 1403496703 988347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: the 0x29A functional fragment was one i solved the halting problem for, without being either. < 1403496743 423548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki seems slow < 1403496835 999923 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to refresh, page rendered, pressed stop < 1403496876 456830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right Subtle Cough was the other one. < 1403496887 503604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly more trivial. < 1403496905 484134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only three cases to check) < 1403496913 967677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1403496920 383673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 3*3 < 1403496946 763887 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Xihcute14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39896&oldid=39895 5* 03Ds84182 5* (+371) 10 < 1403497647 668947 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403497667 325891 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403498028 108043 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Xihcute14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39897&oldid=39896 5* 03Ds84182 5* (+149) 10 < 1403498183 481759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1403498364 986426 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Xihcute14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39898&oldid=39897 5* 03Ds84182 5* (+138) 10 < 1403498568 698949 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you can obviously make digital logic gates in Proce. < 1403498571 865645 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must nerf. < 1403498634 2192 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Xihcute14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39899&oldid=39898 5* 03Ds84182 5* (+366) 10Added a length independent quine < 1403498951 885128 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Xihcute14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39900&oldid=39899 5* 03Ds84182 5* (+9) 10Change "Quine" to "Cheating Quine", because my method is cheating... < 1403499007 950600 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Proce14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39901&oldid=32990 5* 03107.5.152.253 5* (+248) 10Nerf by limiting slew rate < 1403499094 336978 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403499112 197017 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Xihcute14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39902&oldid=39900 5* 03Ds84182 5* (+70) 10 < 1403499139 344493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: SQL is now TC, due to a WITH command. < 1403499429 512861 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whelp, Funciton is my favorite esolang at the moment. < 1403499464 852149 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Quit: tswett < 1403502426 730828 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1403502933 880179 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403503163 122185 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to add 'legal, winning, and not fun' to oerjan's wisdom < 1403503592 530083 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gentzen14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39903&oldid=39892 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+270) 10 < 1403503600 661314 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403503679 613569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1403503711 419871 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1403503712 298233 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. < 1403503835 730460 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^0 < 1403504367 781664 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403504505 387458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what is wrong with playing cash games. Just play a tournament style (even if there are only two players), each player starts same number of chips, and nobody wins until the other player loses all of their chips. You can bet money on winning if you want to, and it does not have to correspond to how many chips they are. Amount of money in your pocket is therefore irrelevant, except that you need to have enough to afford to pay the entry fee < 1403504792 674039 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people will bet less then < 1403504909 530518 :Speed`!~Speed@evile.thrash.im QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403504945 493944 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403504977 164208 :Speed`!~Speed@evile.thrash.im JOIN :#esoteric < 1403504982 915031 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1403505033 816638 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm , i should build an eso lang that runs backwards , it starts by exiting with code 0 and ends at the start < 1403505136 780804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :People will bet less then? I do not quite understand what you mean, although my message may have been cut off. < 1403505146 358233 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1403505159 417492 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1403505167 176497 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your message end with "the entry fee" < 1403505190 827257 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they will bet less because betting now no longer changes the outcome of the game < 1403505220 517516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is something afterward: (which you have to decide before you start, and then the prize is twice the entry fee). < 1403505253 968961 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what about buy ins? < 1403505266 524018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The entry fee is the only buy in. < 1403505281 192815 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah good luck on that :P < 1403505343 526128 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you are good you would have the money to start with < 1403505358 363672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are still more likely to win if you play well by betting correct amounts of poker chips. < 1403505368 330628 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1403505379 384091 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt , not in high end games < 1403505406 518004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that is how all poker tournaments are played; just they usually have more than two players in the tournament. < 1403505424 948200 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with buy in rounds < 1403505438 673474 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all have buy-in rounds. < 1403505444 617488 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many do < 1403505459 443459 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the first few rounds atleast < 1403505471 510374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know that. < 1403505472 378229 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Sacchan14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39904&oldid=39715 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+16) 10 < 1403505495 585334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, you can play without it. < 1403505537 617896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't get to undo a move in a chess tournament because you bribed the tournament directors, of course. < 1403505566 643915 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403505594 354964 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1403505663 116456 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh , i really want to code that thing now < 1403505666 290426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poker games simply involve a lot more money than chess, and there are people who play at both games (some even combine them in various ways). < 1403505702 62907 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once saw an epic poker tournement on espn < 1403505718 942121 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in the most epic < 1403505767 642487 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tournement had something like 40 professional players that bought into the tournament and like 10 that won their place by playing online < 1403505798 537063 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was watching the last round and this guy who won his seat made 4 people drop out in under 5 min < 1403505823 859956 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving him heads up against two and a pot of like $1000 000 < 1403505845 419869 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :30min later he wons < 1403506066 323817 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the final pot was like 2mil < 1403506115 610780 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1403506168 293175 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway , I'm out < 1403506183 215219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For similar reasons as I have described above (although also other reasons), when I play at Magic: the Gathering I always prefer the Limited formats. < 1403506208 874914 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never played magic < 1403506229 375049 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its kinda dead here < 1403506237 955520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1403506239 13728 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have only seen one game being played < 1403506273 675546 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When? Where? < 1403506303 201291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually like the Magic: the Puzzling, much better than playing the game itself. Same with chess, really. < 1403506314 135658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also invented a few Pokemon card puzzles, because I like that game too. < 1403506449 974085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, this one: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/pokemon_card/puzzle.1 < 1403506503 860011 :password2!~password@197.78.184.41 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403506867 6561 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I see < 1403506887 356464 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBBT is getting boring. < 1403506947 416865 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is TBBT? Do you prefer BTTB, perhaps? < 1403507004 21247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTTB: Big Theory, The Bang. < 1403507127 162047 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: as for M:tG, they changed http://gatherer.wizards.com/ so now I can no longer download (almost) all cards with a single large page load, < 1403507139 166515 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least they seem to have fixed how flip cards show up < 1403507220 118443 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might eventually have to write a script to download the cards the slow way unless they fix this. < 1403507263 367332 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. Do you want the pictures or the text or both or what? < 1403507272 550461 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :text only < 1403507314 59085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1403507404 757630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: How did you do it before? < 1403507406 682601 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least http://www.yawgatog.com/ seems to have been able to get everything < 1403507425 854869 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you could get the text of all cards valid in Legacy with a single page load, then parse that html, < 1403507458 758482 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that the newest set was often months late to get marked as valid in Legacy in Gatherer (when it actually was) so I couldn't get the newest set rightaway < 1403507621 48640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Legacy Legado < 1403507631 630574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Legatog < 1403507666 199077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do people play these formats with old expensive cards < 1403507671 517536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do people play this game in the first place < 1403507774 515422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recently saw someone who used mostly grayscale proxy cards, against an opponent who did the same, playing on a boat that I happened to be on. < 1403507794 702657 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's not that I want to play legacy, it's just the easiest way in their interface to download all cards < 1403507813 322662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: grayscale proxy cards? sounds ugly < 1403507814 859126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you using advanced search? < 1403507819 418479 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the cards for art < 1403507842 610677 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: dunno, I just loaded this url => http://ww2.wizards.com/gatherer/index.aspx?term=&Field_Name=on&Field_Rules=on&Field_Type=on&setfilter=Legacy&output=Text%20Spoiler < 1403507849 22585 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the old interface that is < 1403507851 770508 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it no longer works < 1403507854 262739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just search for name not "ahflsjflhsf" < 1403507864 851839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: If the cards are readable then it works. < 1403507873 522477 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in the old or the new gatherer? < 1403507890 754591 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, but the cards have beautiful art, and it's so much harder to recognize them without color < 1403507891 599076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in either. but i'm not sure about this text spoiler thing < 1403507905 418108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best cards are banned in legacy, of course < 1403507945 906551 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the problem with the new gatherer is that I can't seem to be able to get all cards in a single page, it's forcefully paged to like ten cards per page or something, < 1403507953 814434 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd need a thousand page loads < 1403507958 559523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, but perhaps they only care the text when playing the game; I also only care the text when playing the game. Yes some cards have nice pictures (I especially like the really old ones) although it is irrelevant. < 1403507997 626673 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, have you found out where they'd hidden the list of all set FAQs? I can see links to the set FAQs only from the pages describing each set, not together < 1403508000 998510 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I need the set FAQs < 1403508010 820031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&output=checklist&name=+![sdfaskjdfsdal] < 1403508017 420655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't have card text < 1403508019 622620 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, they're again not releasing the comprehensive rules as plain text < 1403508029 222496 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, I need the text, not just the names < 1403508082 418935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Then, convert it by yourself into plain text. < 1403508089 368692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I've seen some people train for standard with a deck where almost all cards were unmarked proxies for some other card, so it was impossible to understand from outside because I had no idea which card represented what < 1403508095 648758 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403508097 466652 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yep, I have converted already < 1403508100 906507 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is less of a problem < 1403508106 650717 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more bothered by gatherer < 1403508128 922532 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll try to watch the plus side: at least flip cards work now < 1403508159 614089 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403508211 752306 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you can make a local cache of SQL of file already copied, so that only new cards and information, you are needing to download, and then searched by SQL. < 1403508259 933298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, flip /= transform < 1403508276 35283 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can also use XML instead if you prefer) < 1403508288 498557 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's basically the same. I have to download all cards four times a year. I need to have all, not just a cache, because I want complex local searches in the full text. < 1403508316 780011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of surprising they don't make that easily available < 1403508353 931545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: What are you using, SQL or XML or HTML or what? < 1403508384 567914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: maybe try http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Settings.aspx < 1403508391 570685 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nah, it's just a plain text thing. it's not that big, was only 25 megs at about M1023 < 1403508399 594559 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok, will check that later < 1403508427 524198 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm not too worried because both http://www.yawgatog.com/ and http://magiccards.info/ seems to have the new cards available < 1403508431 956666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you can't actually set results per page? < 1403508434 973015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1403508437 6551 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd like to have an independent download < 1403508470 898592 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no big deal, I'd done big web scraping stuff before, I'm just annoyed they broke what used to work < 1403508581 961525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to have the SQL so that, you can write something like SELECT "SET", COUNT(*) FROM "CARDS" GROUP BY "SET"; or whatever < 1403508695 528299 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403509141 746668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, once you have downloaded the stuff, you can try to fill them to a database or anything you want < 1403510557 135613 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Randwork14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39905 5* 03178.125.27.107 5* (+573) 10Created page with "It's a pity, but '''Randwork+''' isn't so interesting... As for me. I've made a small interpreter of this language and have noticed some unpleasant things:<br /> * Too many "H..." < 1403510751 813479 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403511058 563101 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403511170 483945 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403511511 779780 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403511553 853240 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403511613 383903 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403511638 883382 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403511694 756768 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403511720 923178 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403511806 923511 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403511807 176468 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403511901 951603 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1403512246 565045 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1403512329 474071 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403512360 595798 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403512495 95128 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403512765 493061 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1403512841 785330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403513055 352125 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403513106 7862 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403513523 866526 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403514412 457448 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403515155 445244 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1403515851 741362 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1403516514 642504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403516627 82041 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beep boop computers < 1403516628 328930 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403516674 64881 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should breakfast < 1403516787 563698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1403516789 306190 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403516806 317408 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1403516838 434151 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Break your fast? < 1403516842 682276 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is lent :o < 1403516843 245125 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1403516850 24947 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It... isn't lent < 1403516851 77114 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :At all < 1403516865 401963 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS ALWAYS LENT < 1403516874 369111 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave up my linear construct of time for lent < 1403516886 451381 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403517005 964263 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1403517051 594116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is always lent when you increment a lens by one. < 1403517089 723004 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :_1 + 1 = _2 < 1403517105 316661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403517384 569275 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403517437 493838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403518312 456757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403518378 903017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403519043 900114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403519048 106784 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1403519199 908668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403520380 455694 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403520458 435421 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Client Quit < 1403520481 495351 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403520581 848395 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403521463 59792 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403522162 985833 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: “* | zzo38 Does this message display differently to you?” “-- | unbekannte CTCP Anfrage von zzo38: Here is another sentence afterward, does it affect it too?” < 1403522315 123680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I missed a botloop and all. < 1403522351 630300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what one gets with manually managed ignore lists. < 1403523474 95011 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1403523695 934960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403524166 83372 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403524228 686345 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403524709 114279 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1403525924 490619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403526049 70018 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403526062 649217 :barrucadu!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu NICK :barruca2 < 1403526067 117927 :barruca2!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu NICK :barrucadu < 1403526190 96377 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403526505 942490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403526514 424049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403527100 120393 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1403527262 460565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403528583 507762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403528701 533752 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dishes washed: check. bedsheets laundering: check. bowl of cheerios: check. bodum infusing: check. I am ready to begin the day! < 1403529290 845047 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:ESOSC14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39906 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+290) 10Created page with "== Standard [[Clunk]] == The specification for Clunk states that «The "clunk" sound must be approved by the appropriate standards body.». Probably ESOSC should give a stand..." < 1403529337 923022 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403529358 49443 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403529412 424140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403529516 227803 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403529650 44553 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403529659 828040 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gs214]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39907&oldid=39819 5* 03Nooodl 5* (+918) 10comparison operators < 1403530316 464345 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403530324 871277 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1403530325 21567 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1403530788 798962 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1403531190 808235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Xihcute14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39908&oldid=39902 5* 03Ds84182 5* (+371) 10 < 1403531708 90029 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Torpenhow Hill is an alleged hill" < 1403531714 631778 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does one be an alleged hill? < 1403531747 276785 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the hill may not exist." < 1403531834 306106 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.the-berg.de/ < 1403531956 264117 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, there's a difference between an elaborate prank and a geographical eggcorn < 1403531978 293042 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beuh :P < 1403532762 454470 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403532994 471537 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Xihcute14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39909&oldid=39908 5* 03Ds84182 5* (+1235) 10Added the rest of the instructions, and add a new and more complex Hello, World < 1403533175 894883 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Xihcute14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39910&oldid=39909 5* 03Ds84182 5* (+159) 10 < 1403533824 532724 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Xihcute14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39911&oldid=39910 5* 03Ds84182 5* (+40) 10 < 1403533993 504863 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Xihcute14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39912&oldid=39911 5* 03Ds84182 5* (+109) 10Add if statement command < 1403534173 957423 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: good example of mystery-meat navigation < 1403534287 467651 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1403534304 359742 :aretecode!~aretecode@173.192.170.114-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403534309 704428 :^0!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1403534413 328025 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's the name for a navigation system which has a bunch of unlabelled buttons, each of which takes you to a different page < 1403534458 346413 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaah :D < 1403534480 151167 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that? < 1403534630 86172 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see an actual description anywhere else, but at the same time am averse to reading anything labled "manifesto". < 1403534652 315124 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, it's a mountain they built in Berlin to attract tourists < 1403534667 199324 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I could ask WIkipedia. < 1403534686 63888 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it says the page implies it doens't exist yet? < 1403534693 661160 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best manifesto of them all → http://www.kimmok.com/THE-MANIFESTO-MANIFESTO < 1403534699 695599 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: of course it exists! < 1403534718 808899 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure the web site does. < 1403534838 651227 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, good. < 1403534866 253834 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I completely understand the overarching concept of that. < 1403535798 320190 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403536060 829301 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: HONING CHICKEN < 1403536089 539299 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does "unbekannte CTCP Anfrage von zzo38" in English? < 1403536326 745561 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unbekannte" is "unknown", and "CTCP" and "zzo38" are obvious < 1403536334 327195 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anfrage is either "request" or "response", not sure which though < 1403536350 231141 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "von" is a preposition, but I'm not quite sure which one in this context, because prepositions don't translate well between languages < 1403536391 356786 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unknown CTCP request of zz038" < 1403536392 563108 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown CTCP request from zzo38? < 1403536395 917866 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/0/o/ < 1403536398 649971 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1403536697 885813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it is incorrectly interpreting the part outside of the CTCP request as a CTCP request instead < 1403536732 762649 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1403536754 148023 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you do something with german irc clients if you don't speak german? < 1403536856 476990 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from < 1403536860 491582 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1403537026 582226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Perhaps there's a set of specified criteria for a hill (e.g. to distinguish between lesser/greater geographical features, such as mounds and mountains), and the "alleged hill" is alleged because its hillness has not been clearly shown. < 1403537049 537283 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, reading the article, it's an alleged hill because nobody quite knows which hill it is < 1403537055 555829 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot of hills around there < 1403537738 764020 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo, I've passed my first year at uni! < 1403537750 431212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1270709547/chrono-legends-1999-a-20th-anniversary-project "uh" < 1403537769 397891 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: congrats < 1403537780 460349 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copyright violating kickstarters are the best kickstarters < 1403537789 861131 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I passed decently, too! < 1403537792 351912 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: eh? < 1403537795 820281 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :78% over the year < 1403537817 283883 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway re alleged hills you should clearly cite "On Hills and Dales" by maxwell < 1403537826 594281 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually know w hat a dale is, but he was pretty smart, so he probably could figure it out < 1403537839 362558 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A dale is like a valley < 1403537844 959111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :\hat{w} < 1403538628 779927 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403538736 212073 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403538745 456670 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1403539142 385905 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number < 1403539179 163245 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403539192 779569 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403539421 996785 :^v!~notnot^v@173-15-245-174-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403539929 457129 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403540470 480396 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403540589 308572 :^v!~notnot^v@173-15-245-174-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1403540619 841051 :^v!~notnot^v@173-15-245-174-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403541516 490392 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403541554 215559 :aretecode!~aretecode@207.126.88.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403541914 737636 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403543273 598863 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403543380 670385 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403543981 231914 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here describes some people seem to be using both LaTeX and Plain TeX: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TeXnocrat < 1403544303 75853 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403544332 544175 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: *mattress* < 1403544553 347963 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome TieSoul < 1403544554 105324 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13TieSoul: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06<http://esolangs.org/>. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07irc.dal.net.) < 1403544563 715785 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have rainbow welcomes again? < 1403544580 395847 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time in /ages/ I've seen one of those, as they don't show up on my other client < 1403544590 702445 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, something that's bothering me al ot < 1403544593 762425 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a lot < 1403544596 64598 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an amazing welcome message < 1403544603 997115 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to have red, orange, yellow, green, indigo, violet, and magenta < 1403544629 864922 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'd be less concerned if it was either exactly a traditional rainbow, or further from one < 1403544645 985422 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Riot! There's no blue! < 1403544665 672969 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it'd tricky to do closer with IRC colors. < 1403544674 157073 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, there isn't < 1403544680 676064 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't I notice that < 1403544687 855981 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I did notice that < 1403544694 870489 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue is not listed in my list of colours < 1403544706 642685 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mIRC color codes. < 1403544719 811726 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like "red, brown, yellow, lightgreen, blue, magenta, lightmagenta" to me < 1403544750 152461 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Xihcute14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39913&oldid=39912 5* 03Ds84182 5* (-85) 10Took out the shitty () command < 1403544751 400926 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: are you in a terminal, by any chance? < 1403544759 994518 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, x-chat < 1403544775 385607 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite the customized ctcp version message < 1403544777 127650 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my colours are terminal-y < 1403544779 463518 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I actually /like/ Vista :-( < 1403544780 632229 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone ever made an http://esolangs.org/wiki/Eitherf*ck interpreter? It sounds really cool < 1403544795 839973 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but gimmicky < 1403544804 233402 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all esolangs are gimmicky < 1403544809 250124 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1403544820 151887 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main issue with that language is that it has no control flow at all < 1403544823 590508 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget, which newish version of windows is it everybody hates < 1403544832 552332 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a common mistake in making BF derivatives < 1403544834 985039 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Xihcute14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39914&oldid=39913 5* 03Ds84182 5* (+0) 10Forgive me division, I did not mean to replace you < 1403544841 1611 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(arguably, making BF derivatives at all is a mistake, but...) < 1403544842 116633 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: 8 < 1403544852 221947 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's specifically the UI on 8 that sucks < 1403544854 247395 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: Vista < 1403544859 235233 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual technology behind it is pretty solid < 1403544861 641660 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually like 8 < 1403544877 703835 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusing < 1403544890 411073 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found that 8 became tolerable when I removed edge gestures from the touchpad < 1403544898 283865 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those things activated unwantdly far too often < 1403544915 810173 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found that 8 is tolerable because I use a mouse. < 1403544916 591890 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: here's one for you: without using the keyboard, how do you close a Metro application (actually close it, not just switch away)? < 1403544936 138941 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the answer, but I had to look it up, and couldn't quite believe it once I did < 1403544947 591010 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Metro application? < 1403544951 819878 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a fully up-to-date Windows 8 machine, put mouse at the top of the screen to get the Metro titlebar to un-autohide. :) < 1403544952 166646 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, Modern UI < 1403544964 566422 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be called Metro but Microsoft renamed it because the Metro name got such bad press < 1403544982 339925 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I never got that to work < 1403544998 61853 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that used to just let me snap the application to half the screen < 1403545005 917873 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer, I don't have a Windows 8 install handy) < 1403545033 983186 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer i will never have windows install handy) < 1403545034 378142 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of my apps will open 'because File Explorer is open with administrator priviledges' < 1403545039 467091 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403545041 204018 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgwine on? < 1403545043 303897 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you tell Windows 8 to not un-autohide the Metro titlebar, or to tell it to never autohide? < 1403545046 861345 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perfect line up there < 1403545066 846143 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it would surprise me if you could, given how Metro programs are typically designed to be fullscreen/halfscreen only < 1403545080 479996 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, but IIRC one of the upcoming features of Windows 9 is to let you do Metro programs windowed. < 1403545086 369606 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, I thought they renamed Metro because it was trademarked by another company? < 1403545101 558067 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1403545101 708683 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we agree that windows 8 is just a browser? < 1403545123 581572 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't really, it's just Win32 with random crap glued on. :) < 1403545131 88476 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Windows 8, I went and uninstalled most of the Metro programs, and unpinned everything else < 1403545137 541801 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I had a usable start screen < 1403545153 591717 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still prefer Unity, though, I think < 1403545170 908699 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a few specific issues with Unity's UI, and it's pretty buggy < 1403545175 743228 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that I really like it < 1403545180 357777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :password2: y'know, I know windows-bashing is fashionable, and if it makes you happy then fine, but it helps if you at least try and say things that are meaningful < 1403545200 422690 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but that a catch 22 for me < 1403545224 721729 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay ais < 1403545229 39957 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Metro programs < 1403545229 988301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like saying windows 8 is just a browser sounds snappy, but you could, like, devote three seconds to thinking about what you're going to say beforehand, and decide if it makes any sense whatsoever or is just a string of words that sound like they bash windows < 1403545234 870052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then only say it if it's the former < 1403545237 980142 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to try it so badly that i don't even want other people using it < 1403545248 794888 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I interpreted "bash windows" as "terminal emulator windows running bash" < 1403545255 569278 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and got a little confused < 1403545261 391804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :password2: okay, if you admit you are completely ignorant of it, then don't try and offer analysis and opinions presented as consensus? < 1403545266 917243 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can close them by going to the top left corner of the screen, making the whole UI there show up, then right clicking the app and clicking close. < 1403545272 280090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and especially don't say stuff you know has no basis in reality to convince other people not to use something < 1403545277 75317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just trolling < 1403545284 716611 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still think its a glorified browser < 1403545288 373121 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1403545288 673634 NAMES :#esoteric < 1403545297 620399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric password2 :trolling after warning < 1403545297 770803 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: yep, that's actually the second method I learned < 1403545313 320993 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403545316 172573 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch to another program, then mouse to top left corner, down the left edge, then right click and close < 1403545322 96569 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I'll stop < 1403545325 85787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1403545325 107326 NAMES :#esoteric < 1403545326 469708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1403545345 622594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(n.b. I hate windows, this isn't me being defensive) < 1403545346 391236 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i think a kick was over doing it < 1403545351 860621 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the method in the instruction manual that came with the computer was to repeat the first three steps, then drag the program to the right, then down to the bottom of the screen < 1403545368 276577 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate Windows from the software development point of view < 1403545385 66604 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the point of view of a casual user, it's mostly just slightly worse than Ubuntu nowadays < 1403545388 575649 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Windows because it's got the most support for applications and stuff. < 1403545389 437041 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pity Windows doesn't have a C environment. < 1403545390 96008 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still in Windows 8 all of the older Windows stuff still works: cmd.exe still exists (somehow I thought they would remove it in favor of PowerShell), WIN+R still works for the Run dialog box, ALT+F4 and ALT+TAB and that stuff still works, etc < 1403545396 936292 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has some nice features, like resizing a mounted partition < 1403545417 260099 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: cmd.exe is a bit more work to remove than you'd think. < 1403545419 311425 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PowerShell takes like 30 seconds to load, somehow < 1403545427 138360 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one good reason for cmd.exe to still work < 1403545433 95833 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, they didn't want to break old shell scripts < 1403545443 152134 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also does Linux have anything that isn't a command line? < 1403545443 488374 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmd.exe is also kinda architecturally required. < 1403545450 260904 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also never been able to learn PowerShell because it tries to connect to the Internet to work < 1403545457 205495 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ not serious < 1403545458 817482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :password2: well, when you admit that you're just saying untrue things in an attempt to get a reaction out of people to discourage them to use windows and an op warns you for it, and then you deliberately do it again without adding anything to it, that's pretty obvious provocation. since you rejoined less than 20 seconds afterwards I don't think a kick is much more of a penalty than the second warning it was intended as :p < 1403545466 403120 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially Windows command line stuff has a "talk to cmd.exe" API. < 1403545472 996821 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, connect to the Internet to download documentation < 1403545476 862359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit though, it is probably completely futile to try and make this channel more bearable to be in. < 1403545479 644019 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PowerShell for Windows command line stuff screen-scrapes cmd.exe. < 1403545484 14062 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ok I'll add some to it < 1403545484 343484 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more-or-less) < 1403545487 442701 :^v!~notnot^v@173-15-245-174-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403545491 965041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that it still has cmd.exe though, and those other stuff, so when working on a computer with Windows 8, I can still work on it < 1403545505 13041 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: screenscraping cmd.exe would actually be very difficult < 1403545521 64490 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even copy-and-paste is awkward due to the way Windows does permissions < 1403545522 415539 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the layouts that i have seen from afar reminds me the fixed position type things one would expect to see in a browser < 1403545528 582568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: OCR screenshot! < 1403545539 205131 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: It's really awkward. < 1403545546 737562 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also cmd.exe can't go fullscreen for some reason < 1403545547 151964 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mean, I'm not certain that a screenshot wouldn't just come up completely black, if done without privilege < 1403545553 353772 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: It's not a Win32 app. < 1403545568 914305 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: actually, that's because the Windows terminal system is implemented in a really awkward manner < 1403545596 654663 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1403545597 837276 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1403545609 835265 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember the last time I used Windows < 1403545615 784057 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was last friday, actually < 1403545647 240748 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm perfectly fine with Windows; Mac OS X is just not for me and Linux is complicated and I'm too lazy to learn about it. < 1403545673 978098 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: I'm not really sure what you mean by Linux being complicated. Windows is super painful to use by comparison < 1403545680 933656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to think UNIX based systems work well; Mac OS X and Linux both use UNIX based stuff. < 1403545690 37492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't really so complicated to understand, I think < 1403545705 125637 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, don't you have to do a LOT of command line stuff for Linux to work properly? < 1403545710 851019 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the distro. < 1403545728 705360 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the case for some, but that's because some people like it that way. < 1403545734 366768 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the issue with Linux is there is sooo muuuuch chooooiiiiice to set it up < 1403545739 227194 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah , debian requires no a little < 1403545747 238629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu should pretty much just work on everything with no fuss, but it's certainly different to windows. < 1403545751 505416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may or may not be worth it for you to switch. < 1403545756 376186 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1403545756 934687 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Which distro do you want?" "OK, great, now which window manager?" etc < 1403545760 570812 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1403545767 731304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're fine with windows then stick with it; some of the best programmers I know use windows < 1403545767 901226 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ubuntu is a little less trivial to install as dual boot than it used to be < 1403545768 275504 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, true , the average user just freezes when they have too many choice < 1403545780 266563 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm going to stick with Windows < 1403545783 565254 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: don't care as long as it isn't Ubuntu; fvwm; next question? ;-) < 1403545787 935789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to write program for cross-platform if possible < 1403545790 420659 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: distro + window manager + 32/64bitness are the only three decisions that are typically made nowadays < 1403545795 93279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think fvwm is more of a question than an answer. < 1403545795 243535 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my answer, btw: Ubuntu, Unity, 64 bit < 1403545796 605015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or for Nintendo Family Computer and run them on emulators < 1403545807 368599 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget filemanager < 1403545810 938124 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shell < 1403545814 694513 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I actually really like Unity < 1403545814 844747 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And file system < 1403545817 9771 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is there a way to get a double-boot Windows-Linux system? Or is that horribly slow? < 1403545820 89308 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use debian < 1403545825 379553 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: you can get dual-boot, and it's not horribly slow < 1403545831 732017 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I currently use Ubuntu and XMonad < 1403545838 499609 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have lotsa cap get debian stable < 1403545845 227309 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only extra time spent is at the boot screen where you decide which to boot < 1403545851 184835 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it's a little less trivial to set up than it used to be < 1403545854 284499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recommend getting Debian stable. < 1403545856 415705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want a fast system, get FreeDOS. It boots faster than the time the CRT takes to warm up. < 1403545856 565906 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think there is any reason for not using a 64 bit system (at least on x86), the 32bit emulation is quite good, since the processors support it.) < 1403545857 231122 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Xihcute14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39915&oldid=39914 5* 03Ds84182 5* (+516) 10 < 1403545864 147224 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unstable < 1403545866 916180 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you have any files on the Windows side you care about, you want pretty good backups before starting < 1403545867 66404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't think any of you are doing a good job of selling Linux as not a fuss to set up. < 1403545880 375189 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's because I'm trying to be honest about the issue < 1403545883 106307 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm pretty sure we're not. :) < 1403545889 232130 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i being sold to < 1403545890 29050 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. Not trying to. < 1403545898 247881 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu knows how to install itself along Windows 7, natively < 1403545902 147302 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just stating that you don't have to literally use a command line for everything. < 1403545902 912043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: actually I was talking more to everyone other than you < 1403545903 860477 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to buy a copy of "More Tales of Pirx the Pilot" < 1403545906 355984 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not, however, know how to install itself alongside Windows 8 < 1403545909 500336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: sold < 1403545915 688062 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tell it how to do so, but you have to do so manually < 1403545916 102788 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: That's sad. :( < 1403545929 44464 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How could I be a judge of that? I've been using Linux since 1993ish, and back then it was a bit of a pain to set up. < 1403545936 707100 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :booyeah < 1403545938 761624 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you install ubuntu from withing windows? < 1403545944 147548 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know is that it got much simpler. < 1403545945 705257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I bet it actually does know how, it just doesn't know how to handle the GPT/UEFI parts that most Windows 8 systems have? < 1403545952 523029 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*within < 1403545952 925444 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, there is a thing for that, password2. < 1403545959 575885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, everyone still installs slackware from floppies :) < 1403545961 835426 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if you know how partitions work, it's pretty easy; on Windows, you shrink partitions to give free space, and turn off fast restart after shutdown; in the Linux installer, you install it to the free space < 1403545967 579966 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then sometimes, you have to mess with the EFI boot order < 1403545971 609644 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: speak for yourself < 1403545971 964213 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Yeah, I know. < 1403545974 635897 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although whether you do or not seems to be hardware dependent < 1403545974 786658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: "ubuntu" is just a running gag. < 1403545987 84133 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I use debootstrap from knoppix which isn't exactly the simplest way. < 1403545990 557977 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Which is weird, cause Ubuntu does EFI. < 1403546001 79794 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :password2: you used to be able to install Ubuntu from within Windows, but that doesn't work on Windows 8 < 1403546007 960074 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using Ubuntu until I get my SSD working < 1403546009 151665 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish linux on efi didn't seem to be such a pain. i'm prety sure i fucked up upgrading syslinux < 1403546011 261079 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i see < 1403546019 32999 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereupon I shall install a different distro < 1403546027 14402 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to see debian boot from ssd < 1403546032 338797 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: It's a typical case of "BIOS makers test Windows only" causing issues. < 1403546033 118004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: I recommend you just use gummiboot (and no separate boot loader) for Linux on EFI. < 1403546033 551855 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my new laptop, the issue seems to be that whenever I go into the BIOS configuration screen, it sets Windows as the default boot, rather than GRUB's boot menu < 1403546033 701975 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just stick with Windows for now < 1403546040 774339 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its already faster than some OS's < 1403546046 196328 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus "EFI on Linux is not that solid". < 1403546064 825870 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh, i'm afraid i'm gonna brick myself if i touch it < 1403546069 602949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: fair < 1403546072 364081 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh, EFI, I've avoided that can of worms so far.) < 1403546072 990214 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, thats weird < 1403546073 153306 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to set the boot menu as the default, I have to override the boot order for one boot to get it into Linux (via Esc spam at startup), then use Linux to edit the boot order < 1403546084 960180 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily you don't have to configure the BIOS very often < 1403546086 555015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can disable UEFI on any Windows 8 computers that are x86 based, due to Microsoft's specification. (On ARM, you can't disable it, again due to Microsoft's specification.) < 1403546087 194686 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1403546097 542164 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had ridiculous problems getting things set up to begin with. people i asked for tech support concluded that my shiny new 1 TB drive was defective < 1403546100 219874 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 8 and Linux both prefer UEFI to BIOS < 1403546104 458399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: UEFI is not secure boot < 1403546105 538008 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 7 prefers BIOS, though < 1403546112 629236 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: MS doesn't require *that*, it requires that you can disable secure boot. < 1403546112 932514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much FUD < 1403546114 865974 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, your comments relate to secure boot < 1403546116 201234 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the actual problem was, in fact, even more ridiculous < 1403546128 552976 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the vast majority of laptops also allow disabling UEFI altogether, so that you can install Windwos 7 on them < 1403546135 650319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you can worst-case "just", like, use the CSM for BIOS backwards-compatibility < 1403546140 355507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone ships motherboards without that < 1403546146 269844 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also all the wiki instructions involve $esp and i forget where i put $esp so i'm doomed. < 1403546149 150613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's automatic if you try and boot something that isn't UEFI < 1403546160 37868 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er no wait, i remember. it's just a partition, i can mount it < 1403546173 425014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the UEFI problems come from when distros try to do it the native UEFI way, which is nicer than relying on the compatibility but currently more fraught for obvious reasons < 1403546174 584136 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that when i tried doing that mount didn't recognize the filesystem. i don't know why i'm allowed near computers < 1403546183 701979 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my desktop EFI basically "just works" perfectly well. On my laptop (which doesn't do BIOS boot on its internal HD!) every now and then I need to literally pull up the EFI command line to boot it. < 1403546201 989036 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankfully that laptop actually *has* that. < 1403546212 943110 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what does Linux do better than Windows? < 1403546219 756895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: my setup is I have the esp be /boot and I just have gummiboot set up and it all works automatically (I'm on arch) < 1403546228 548809 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Big one is flexibility. < 1403546228 781135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: tux racer < 1403546230 986571 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: it's much better for developing software on, IME < 1403546240 112829 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a /boot and i... don't /think/ it's a partition, or something < 1403546242 605170 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul, it's a lot more configurable < 1403546249 832050 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...which is where most of the issues come from, I guess < 1403546252 321544 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul, the ap-get < 1403546253 998315 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because most development environments treat Windows as a second-class citizen, and the others are Visual Studio < 1403546259 403158 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: it's a rotated root directory < 1403546263 978053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :flash videos being nigh-unusable is another advantage of linux :P < 1403546264 609218 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1403546271 641569 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :) < 1403546274 998343 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1403546286 75918 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even on my stupid nice box Flash doesn't work nicely. :( < 1403546288 547989 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have flash work shockingly well, i can even play games! though it still crashes every two days or so < 1403546289 652502 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, what happens is that /boot is the root directory while the system is booting; then later during the boot process, it makes another directory into / (the one with all the actual files on) < 1403546290 721626 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, i have no problem with flash < 1403546295 315000 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, shockingly, i'm great < 1403546303 364139 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it needs to put the old root directory system somewhere, so it uses /boot < 1403546304 576621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you get full AV sync in fullscreen on youtube < 1403546306 662121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no tearing or anything < 1403546308 227075 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: so is it a partition or... well, whatever < 1403546308 421428 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, you can edit it < 1403546314 655716 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: not *forcing* you on a new desktop every 3 years. < 1403546316 378286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: um... < 1403546318 36945 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: it's a directory, but one that's the only one that's accessible during boot < 1403546319 255034 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: with proprietary drivers, yeah. < 1403546322 667228 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: When I pass the Youtube URL to mpv, sure. < 1403546323 363018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: that isn't how the boot process works at all < 1403546323 824321 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though they do try) < 1403546325 813210 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I may be confusing this with something else < 1403546326 68491 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played creeper world in fullscreen mode < 1403546331 181599 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not with Flash on proprietary drivers though. < 1403546332 872762 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no tearing < 1403546335 143051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: /boot contains the kernels and initramfs < 1403546337 485887 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Linux has a system call to rotate the root directory though < 1403546341 533168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the initramfs is mounted as a, well, you know, ramfs < 1403546344 552885 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I switched back to mesa and everything broke, so, fuck everything. < 1403546347 175799 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: pivot_root < 1403546348 734226 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, right < 1403546350 958514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is then / for a while, and then pivots to < 1403546352 179989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ < 1403546354 644073 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! Did y'all see my mesa problems < 1403546354 814250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but /boot itself is never /. < 1403546359 422541 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1403546361 761207 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was almost right < 1403546362 475157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAVE WE MENTIONED LINUX IS SIMPLE AND EASY < 1403546363 99521 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only youtube probs i get is when it switches quality the audio jumps back like 0.2s < 1403546373 777202 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/glamor/commit/src/glamor_fbo.c?id=1957b7d713e5408f397412d4beb1317c84ded7ce < 1403546380 688260 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very helpful error message when your xorg dies, let me tell you < 1403546382 391068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider best way would be, design the BIOS, it is compatible with PC BIOS (so DOS programs run, too) and includes a built-in Forth interpreter (instead of BASIC), with the Forth including functions for BIOS configuration, UEFI configuration (if applicable), terminal emulation, etc < 1403546384 465869 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT ENOUGH < 1403546384 920406 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's many parts, all simple and easy (except for the many that aren't) < 1403546385 99727 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually been going without Flash on my new laptop, because I haven't figured out how to install it < 1403546392 454152 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are clear and simple instructions that don't actually work < 1403546415 252140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm not sure I'd consider any part of a linux system simple and easy :/ < 1403546420 591444 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i'm only worrying about this because i upgraded syslinux but pacman may or may not have told me i needed to do some upgrading. < 1403546421 559003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same goes for windows of course < 1403546428 862899 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the key to linux is to try stuff < 1403546434 136604 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :manual upgrading, i mean < 1403546448 7612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this way I describe would help better; you can then program it and that kind of stuff, it is usable, even if you do not have any operating systems installed at all. < 1403546458 236361 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my favorite linux problem is when my boss was setting up the computer, he did a regular shutdown in the shell and it failed, which i hadn't even realized was possible < 1403546462 339648 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you seen Ubuntu Browser? < 1403546473 347450 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu Browser? < 1403546480 236052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: is that like windows 8 < 1403546480 459991 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is amazing < 1403546488 548134 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, it's /better/ < 1403546491 749495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1403546494 622723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a high bar you've set < 1403546513 211353 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even better than acorn < 1403546515 445231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whelm me adequately < 1403546519 760650 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, there's the kernel itself. systemd is getting messy. who understands dbus? udev ... ok, is lots of simple parts. and then there are more or less monolithic desktop environments < 1403546524 35145 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has no obvious navigation features at all, although you can expose a box with a back and forwards and address bar by clicking at the bottom of the screen < 1403546537 707921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you think the linux kernel is simple and easy...? < 1403546544 466535 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that menu lets you go to another screen, which lists all the tabs you have open; tabs aren't otherwise tabs, they're just simultaneously open windows < 1403546550 464996 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, it is compared to the Windows kernel < 1403546550 653415 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no I was listing parts that aren't, in my opinion. < 1403546559 489880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: googling suggests it's meant for mobile < 1403546565 898578 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the entire extent of its functionality < 1403546568 490483 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually think dbus is kinda neat < 1403546568 640673 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry. I missed a negation in your statement < 1403546587 163967 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, I actually like it though, although not for actual Web browsing < 1403546592 728032 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been using it to look at profiler output < 1403546593 153651 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i don't use it on my desktop, probably < 1403546602 32789 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use Epiphany for that < 1403546605 581524 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so then there's /bin/true, /bin/false, which are definitely easy. :) < 1403546611 919861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm not sure systemd is any more or less messy than it ever was :) (though I actually like it, because at least all the complex ugliness has some kind of cohesiveness to it now) < 1403546613 32411 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt that < 1403546613 201221 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Not in GNU. < 1403546620 696865 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU true and false are non-conforming. < 1403546621 636283 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that program which removed functionality over time, and collapsed all the menus to a single menu saying "Web" < 1403546635 844110 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed that Ubuntu Browser was just Epiphany brought to its logical conclusion < 1403546638 465298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: everything uses dbus, so you quite likely do < 1403546640 525220 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm still quite upset about it. Though it's understandable everyone's switching. < 1403546640 675674 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no menus, basically no functionality < 1403546646 694255 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The perceived options are that or sysvinit. < 1403546651 889169 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sysvinit is... sysvinit. < 1403546652 940406 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, not enough uses dbus, properly < 1403546659 649108 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Did you try setting the POSIXLY_CORRECT environment variable? Does that make it conforming? < 1403546659 958600 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> /bin/true --help < 1403546660 109082 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: /bin/true [ignored command line arguments] < 1403546660 818313 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, is that so? I thought it was still ubuntuy or whatever. < 1403546661 677287 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:1: parse error on input ‘/’ < 1403546668 501727 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping there'd be some way to find out which files were open in any given application, and which currently had focus < 1403546669 984084 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ironically, yes < 1403546678 651878 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`true --help < 1403546679 134707 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: true [ignored command line arguments] \ or: true OPTION \ Exit with a status code indicating success. \ \ --help display this help and exit \ --version output version information and exit \ \ NOTE: your shell may have its own version of true, which usually supersedes \ the version described here. Please refer to your s < 1403546689 238618 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /bin/true --help > /dev/full < 1403546689 941251 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/true: write error: No space left on device < 1403546697 139825 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /bin/true --help > /dev/full; echo $? < 1403546698 51499 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/true: write error: No space left on device \ 1 < 1403546698 995999 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` true --help < 1403546699 688773 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1403546710 255357 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fortunately it's a builtin in common shells) < 1403546713 423992 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, because it is incorrect to require that. :P < 1403546715 552668 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple < 1403546724 923599 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, no, that doesn't change it. < 1403546737 256249 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we actually found a second way to get /bin/true to return nonzero < 1403546746 574656 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :set a precise ulimit such that it runs out of memory and segfaults < 1403546762 565231 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm unaware of any way to get false to return zero, though < 1403546777 203062 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run false --help < 1403546777 645422 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1403546789 32295 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel unhelped < 1403546793 552062 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why /bin/true even needs dynamic memory < 1403546802 344148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: does LD_PRELOAD count? < 1403546807 30229 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(){} // should do it < 1403546810 516324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: intl for --help, I'd guess < 1403546814 752217 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1403546818 781848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You should put return 0 in? < 1403546828 506562 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I hadn't thought of that, so I'm going to say yes < 1403546829 628058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than that it should be OK < 1403546831 211243 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Nope. Implied by ISO C. < 1403546834 92374 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: neither does replacing the binary by a different one < 1403546841 609777 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you --version and hook whatever function it uses to produce output? < 1403546849 91595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: something like that, yes < 1403546853 966069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does a clever cosmic ray bit flip count? < 1403546862 656858 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: you can add an initialiser function to the .so < 1403546868 714538 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: only if you do it reliably < 1403546880 468360 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/false is very insecure when run in a solar storm < 1403546886 20294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to look at false's source code ~_~ < 1403546887 152847 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: So, Firewire then. < 1403546904 781092 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gah, I forgot about DMA-over-Firewire < 1403546914 674949 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has to be one of the biggest POLA violations ever < 1403546922 258971 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the amount of chauvinism in assuming that secure programs won't be run inside an event horizon is depressing < 1403546948 104983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen once that a computer has a BIOS where its built-in program is a CD player program. However, I think the best thing to include as the built-in program in BIOS is a Forth interpreter, where this Forth system includes low-level system access, as well as perhaps a few other minor things such as BIOS config commands and a terminal emulator. < 1403546963 305832 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: but it's fast! < 1403546973 32134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting false to return 0 without cheating looks really hard < 1403546977 509106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the impossible kind of really hard < 1403546991 350228 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how pessimistic < 1403546991 500591 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I take it you love Open Firmware? < 1403546993 30465 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is the worst kind of really hard < 1403546998 514674 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :false's help information is localized, right? < 1403547002 939263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1403547008 280842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why would that ever exit with 0? < 1403547008 785407 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never used false < 1403547011 161317 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are any of the localized strings passed to printf? < 1403547019 302970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1403547021 396298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1403547023 568087 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice! < 1403547026 381541 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, all we need is a malicious locale definition < 1403547026 777320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I don't think Open Firmware is PC compatible from what I know? < 1403547033 88042 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we can use the printf-%n overflow exploit < 1403547036 462594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we going to write a false 0day shellcode? < 1403547040 686673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it exit(0)? < 1403547041 400145 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :load shellcode that consists of exit(0) ... hehe. < 1403547050 273446 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Sadly no. < 1403547057 588108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to email fulldisclosure < 1403547058 204121 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing inherit about it, but yeah. < 1403547071 320072 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think you need root to install the malicious translation files < 1403547077 84636 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"local invalid exit code vulnerability" < 1403547080 849780 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: impossible is a good kind of really hard. i mean, computer science < 1403547090 35157 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if you can override the path somehow, you wouldn't < 1403547098 283623 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can /definitely/ override the locale, that's a user-accessible setting < 1403547103 780894 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine, only if you can prove impossibility! < 1403547117 259762 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/tree/src/false.c i'm impressed < 1403547118 248408 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run LC_ALL=malicious_NZ.UTF-8 /bin/false --help < 1403547119 39533 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: /bin/false [ignored command line arguments] \ or: /bin/false OPTION \ Exit with a status code indicating failure. \ \ --help display this help and exit \ --version output version information and exit \ \ NOTE: your shell may have its own version of false, which usually supersedes \ the version described here. Please re < 1403547119 189777 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The path used for finding locale data can be set using the LOCPATH environment variable." < 1403547124 244108 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern Linux does let you do a new filesystem namespace and user namespace, thus letting you do root in your own file tree. :) < 1403547143 895522 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: requiers root < 1403547146 619628 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*requires < 1403547152 974574 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baah! < 1403547161 675861 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why, make the PC Forth BIOS. < 1403547167 640752 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Act like "true" by default; false.c overrides this. < 1403547171 364079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there must be /some/ way to make false exit 0 without root < 1403547186 792452 :aretecode!~aretecode@207.126.88.2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403547187 43975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should just use a local privilege escalation bug. < 1403547187 898676 :^v!~notnot^v@173-15-245-174-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403547199 655369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worth it, to make false exit(0). < 1403547205 612894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is important and we are using our time well. < 1403547224 960269 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think int-e's LOCPATH suggestion may work < 1403547232 782650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I missed that < 1403547237 979206 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this conversation actually came up in nethack4.org < 1403547239 420111 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, factor is pretty involved < 1403547244 600171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1403547248 233155 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I explicitly said "what if someone uses a malicious timezone definition?" < 1403547248 533260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are gettext translation files even stored? < 1403547254 43339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they with the locales? < 1403547254 281456 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but locale definition isn't gettext translations < 1403547260 432698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we need gettext translations < 1403547262 53010 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOCPATH=123 LC_ALL=foo.UTF-8 strace -eopen /bin/false --help ====> open("123/foo.UTF-8/LC_IDENTIFICATION", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) < 1403547263 79965 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're normally stored in a directory called "po" < 1403547265 108082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is to make _ return what we want < 1403547271 180434 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is factor actually a posix thing, it seems kind of random for coreutils < 1403547284 444902 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the printf thing sounds like a good idea < 1403547288 911092 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which strace < 1403547289 656351 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1403547291 944192 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaddya know, it's from 1974 < 1403547312 872667 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: I think it's mostly intended for primality checking < 1403547315 995313 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: Not POSIX, but traditional. < 1403547317 634878 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«In some variants of Unix, it is classified as a "game" more than a serious utility, and therefore documented in section 6.» < 1403547321 974166 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so i see. < 1403547338 685667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so $LOCPATH/$LC_MESSAGES/LC_MESSAGES/coreutils.mo < 1403547356 49171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the file it looks for the translations in. < 1403547367 196014 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403547370 186343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I believe.) < 1403547406 672759 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and two of those are under user control < 1403547422 822078 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including where it's rooted < 1403547459 296556 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the first step is to create a translation file consisting of a huge row of %n, to see whether it segfaults < 1403547479 889842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm just going to use this method to run every program from now on. < 1403547487 636140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why write a binary when you can use false? < 1403547489 670676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hey < 1403547495 743775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a way to get around a filesystem having noexec set < 1403547498 238523 :^v!~notnot^v@173-15-245-174-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1403547500 904509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1403547517 444115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :using coreutils to jump to code for you < 1403547521 324841 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that the _ is going to the printf format string and that it doesn't sanitize out %n < 1403547530 67003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like sort of a big deal < 1403547538 316240 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ex falso quodlibet < 1403547538 466422 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, if _ doesn't sanitize out %n, it probably should, and that's probably a major security bug that we should report < 1403547547 793131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it interprets the string at all < 1403547558 934387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably there should just be a localised version of printf < 1403547564 880478 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw it, I'm gonna plug my laptop back in and check, even though I should be going home < 1403547567 824217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that processes the format string and uses gettext internally < 1403547622 395962 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: isn't printf(_("Foo: %s Bar: %s"),"foo","bar") sort of supported? < 1403547641 199483 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope LOCPATH is at least disregarded in suid programs < 1403547644 72211 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it is < 1403547649 416322 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd want to filter out %n specifically < 1403547651 183276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/tree/src/true.c#n38 is the promising call here < 1403547665 103919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: you could translate to %s%s%s or whatever, too < 1403547674 561756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's lots of nasty things you can do as a printf format string < 1403547678 340023 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just reads, though < 1403547687 795084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still pretty bad < 1403547692 105217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program could be storing sensitive things < 1403547699 181233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and printing a diagnostic error < 1403547704 833628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, "sorry, these passwords don't match" < 1403547705 863462 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, I don't have coreutils osurce here < 1403547708 923019 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, the network connected < 1403547710 581207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/tree/src/true.c < 1403547714 344690 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403547781 134022 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to diff more than one history in PukiWiki? < 1403547813 538610 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that indeed, it does check if the binary is SUID and changes the path lookup behavior accordingly. < 1403547818 279727 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably for the better. < 1403547846 813911 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``false --help < 1403547847 592129 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `false: not found < 1403547852 182499 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would a malicious timezone look like < 1403547860 777446 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` /bin/false --help < 1403547861 579698 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: /bin/false [ignored command line arguments] \ or: /bin/false OPTION \ Exit with a status code indicating failure. \ \ --help display this help and exit \ --version output version information and exit \ \ NOTE: your shell may have its own version of false, which usually supersedes \ the version described here. Please re < 1403547867 228386 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: very high DST offset to change the date < 1403547896 933948 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: zoneinfo file that exploits a bug in the parser? < 1403548441 759390 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the make file for coreutils is broken :-( < 1403548447 58026 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make install builds things that make doesn't < 1403548498 526792 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it compile stuff or is it "just" libtool relinking everything? < 1403548558 649207 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compile < 1403548880 209134 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't they make it to change the message languages at compile-time instead? < 1403548924 969016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Default setting should be English with ASCII-only, and then other one can be added later on if they want to. < 1403548926 719675 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403548927 697375 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1403548931 784015 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403548954 723721 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403548955 696778 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1403548977 203947 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403549112 457123 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403549146 498294 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, overriding the locale is harder than I thought < 1403549489 682784 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403549586 846989 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slide is totally supposed to be Turing-complete. < 1403549658 470449 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no good: all the locale machinery respects LOCPATH, but gettext /doesn't/ < 1403549661 400615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Is it? Do you prove it? < 1403549665 500396 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even looking in $LOCPATH for coreutils.mo < 1403549691 724257 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theorem. Slide is totally supposed to be Turing-complete. Proof. < 1403549693 479467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: huh? < 1403549707 566025 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been doing a bunch of stracing to make sure < 1403549719 439378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: that's because you don't have an LC_IDENTIFICATION file, probably < 1403549729 591301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm < 1403549735 5187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're maybe right :/ < 1403549740 961300 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using the one from the existing locale < 1403549752 890946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even look for .mo at all when you set LOCPATH < 1403549754 570895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oddly < 1403549756 416421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they anticipated this < 1403549769 981406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess grepping LOCPATH over gettext would be productive < 1403549828 508302 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no LOCPATH anywhere in the gettext source < 1403549918 432929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then how is setting LOCPATH preventing it from loading coreutils.mo? < 1403549930 689168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I need to gdb? < 1403549961 314637 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you set LOCPATH, it makes the setlocale() call fail < 1403549968 841920 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless all the things it loads are on your LOCPATH somewhere < 1403549976 256603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I set it to /usr/share/locale < 1403549991 40603 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is LOCPATH=malicious:/usr/share/locale LANG=C.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=malicious < 1403550074 557537 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you need to copy the SYS_LC_MESSAGES fallback from somewhere < 1403550126 781685 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the new locale definition < 1403550137 832013 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gets it to actually translate the messages, but it still doesn't look in $LOCPATH < 1403550331 835493 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403550514 4485 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: haha, path traversal vulnerability < 1403550536 131184 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANGUAGE=../../../path/to/malicious/definition /bin/false --help < 1403550603 624488 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bad news: the %n appear to be output literally < 1403550605 408781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1403550613 667499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1403550616 900490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does %s%s%s work < 1403550634 449049 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's a SUID check on the path traversal < 1403550644 660515 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they disallow slashes in language names when the program's setuid < 1403550688 80252 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I think I can edit a different string < 1403550697 752459 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of these strings are tagged as "#, c-format" < 1403550715 892312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any of them in false? < 1403550771 932382 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but the makefile seems to be broken, it's not updating the locale definition any more < 1403551334 662142 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :de.po:12125: format specifications in 'msgid' and 'msgstr' for argument 1 are not the same < 1403551342 761651 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this can be worked around; this is in the gettext compiler < 1403551356 441686 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difficult part is to get it to produce a bugged .gmo file for us < 1403551403 169510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just hex-edit it < 1403551422 951175 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I'm doing now :-) < 1403551460 757744 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ LANGUAGE=../../../home/ais523/research/coreutils/prefix/share/locale/de /bin/false --help < 1403551462 238488 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault (core dumped) < 1403551476 802376 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the real /bin/false, btw < 1403551509 114160 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1403551512 585920 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, you don't actually need coreutils source for this at all < 1403551522 680026 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just copy and hex edit the existing coreutils.mo < 1403551541 407431 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the existing message isn't long enough for your shellcode < 1403551546 658903 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, now that you all know how it's done < 1403551555 748460 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll let you do the shellcode injection while I go home :-) < 1403551683 679021 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1403551701 370962 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1403551722 498087 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, Ubuntu popped up an error report thing so that I can report the segfault in false < 1403551726 970566 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to say no now < 1403551746 957150 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wait until we have some way to get a payload into this before I report the bug < 1403551795 854961 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye everyone < 1403551797 83463 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1403552751 778264 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Xihcute14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39916&oldid=39915 5* 03Ds84182 5* (+198) 10 < 1403552865 690111 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403552883 870812 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403553288 398942 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1403553805 779198 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403553976 984075 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1403554331 885317 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1403555893 945441 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1403556173 536133 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403556869 43283 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit what have you people been doing < 1403556880 94348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to make /bin/false exit(0) < 1403556938 55820 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ten minutes from there to the Pentagon, baby. < 1403557163 499361 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403557224 157135 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1403557243 928714 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403557262 867668 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1403557263 17972 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403557300 310906 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it does look like you're just looking for security holes in the internationalisation system in general though < 1403557326 446999 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :purely accidental. the ogal here is truth < 1403557364 126362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: look, we looked at true.c and this was the only way we could think of < 1403557367 544706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: whatever it takes < 1403557425 891349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i know < 1403557475 601108 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just hoping there'd be some small crack in the actual interface between true.c and the locale stuff, since it's so dumb nobody would actually waste time vetting it for security < 1403557484 853248 :Patashu!Helix@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403557494 758659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sort of what it is < 1403557499 699582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do printf(_("..."), ...); < 1403557506 752921 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i for one like that true and false are defined by the same file < 1403557513 799433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which basically lets the gettext files do things with memory < 1403557518 999592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because printf format strings are unsafe < 1403557527 445202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: it's a bit sad that true is given preference though < 1403557537 12177 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1403557542 776657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's asymmetrical! < 1403557549 388810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a third file with the actual code < 1403557549 930262 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403557551 403799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had somehow got it into my head in previous mockings of true.c that it looked at argv[0] < 1403557557 536497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only unsafe, but also somewhat not versatile enough in some cases. < 1403557559 131673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :which if true would make this all very easy, alas < 1403557569 401009 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. they should use compiler switches to define EXIT_STATUS < 1403557588 131484 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which to be fair is not even really much of a security hole in this particular context. The environment of a program is typically assumed to be trusted on Unix. < 1403557597 61848 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for SUID stuff. < 1403557603 667486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it sets the program name to it, but doesn't seem to do anything unsafe with it < 1403557627 960975 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-208-85.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403557639 656871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think being able to set an environment variable and have "if false; ...; fi" stuff execute in a shell script (with a dumb enough shell) is rather bad < 1403557644 242172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It is generally how I have deal with it too; I usually don't deal with kind of security flaw if it isn't meant to be SUID or remote data or whatever like that. < 1403557653 867625 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403557659 240555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet Quiz Engine avoids buffer overflows by not having any buffers! < 1403557661 16725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: one thing this should let you do is bypass noexec stuff < 1403557674 382363 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and as gettext does actually not trust the environment in SUID, well...) < 1403557694 38162 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Basically my point is that this isn't any *worse* than LD_PRELOAD. < 1403557706 539028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LD_PRELOAD requires +x, right? < 1403557754 736152 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recently found out the suggested bugfixes for a particular thing for me were (a) LD_PRELOAD and (b) editing the binary < 1403557759 769522 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's cool. < 1403557797 661727 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, I don't know if glibc actually requires +x. < 1403557840 343431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had better < 1403557843 92940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noexec isn't meant to be that useless < 1403557889 919038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like gettext and I have made a simpler kind of thing which could be used for dynamic internationalization: Two things are exposed to the program, one function to load the strings from a file, and an array of string pointers. Internationalized strings in the source code are then replaced by array accesses, and the strings themself are written out to a file (similar to the pool strings in WEB). < 1403557935 981136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you could also make it use a pre-existing string file so that existing strings keep their same ID numbers. < 1403557964 917766 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing as +x isn't needed for libraries-in-general, it might *not*... < 1403558039 877872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think my way better than GNU? < 1403558056 546166 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incidentally, LD_LIBRARY_PATH is searched for libraries *before* the system configured paths) < 1403558061 734702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of think shared libraries should require +x < 1403558071 552659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are executable code that gets executed < 1403558080 863641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even try and run them! < 1403558098 175021 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also pretty sure that it's generally assumed that execute permissions aren't really a security feature. < 1403558110 6656 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whether or not they *should* be is a separate issue) < 1403558138 179561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but noexec exists and people recommend using it for hardening. that's kinda silly because of how useless it is, but given that it exists it should probably be less useless < 1403558192 147444 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, it is goofy that it exists while being *misleading*. < 1403558225 288600 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only preventing cases of pilot error rather than being at all about hardening... < 1403558548 286523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a simple way to implement something like OPLL FM synthesis? < 1403558586 481962 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :permissions aren't a security feature, huh < 1403558587 20783 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403559083 284590 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks. LD_PRELOAD on glibc works for suid binaries if the LD_PRELOAD list doesn't have a '/' in it. < 1403559308 41353 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. < 1403559784 768000 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/JBhf < 1403559858 520332 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, i thought there were measures in place for using LD_PRELOAD with suid binaries < 1403559926 703986 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPLOITED < 1403560017 547871 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yep. Apparently it needs to be a library in the system library path, or configured with /etc/ldpreload.conf or some such < 1403560078 113559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, ASLR? < 1403560086 825070 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :address space layout randomization < 1403560094 932921 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucks up a lot of shellcode injctions. < 1403560114 6614 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is of course the point. < 1403560127 689288 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there is no shell code actually; the exit value is already on the stack when printf is called, in the /bin/false binary here) < 1403560154 293755 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm just poking 0 there < 1403560158 806433 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o well < 1403560170 275661 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 256, which has the same effecty < 1403560170 425906 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403560182 176294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: beautiful < 1403560716 285250 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403560720 552042 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403560758 817352 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1403561121 119605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1403561155 487697 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403561287 691241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tswett> Whelp, Funciton is my favorite esolang at the moment. <-- it is pretty nice < 1403561674 451606 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BytePusher II14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39917 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+1855) 10The Holy Quest for a New and Improved BytePusher has begun! You too can be a Knight! < 1403561716 451690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` diff <(cat /proc/self/maps) <(cat /proc/self/maps) < 1403561717 481152 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :29c29 \ < 7fbfafb000-7fbfb1c000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 \ --- \ > 7fbfde4000-7fbfe05000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 < 1403561750 896164 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without ASLR, the output would be empty) < 1403561785 782012 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403561828 27454 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-dUx9fgbW0 feel it. < 1403561883 32331 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Works in progress14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39918&oldid=39448 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+20) 10Added BytePusher II to list < 1403562047 999496 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahoily! < 1403562483 380804 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1403562511 413822 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1403562528 271033 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Me sais Laptop sleepy. < 1403562664 898698 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. < 1403562670 257876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 <ais523_> I found that 8 became tolerable when I removed edge gestures from the touchpad <-- i have this bug in my touchpad driver that occasionally makes it forget i've disabled that. (and sometimes it instead chooses to scroll whatever page i'm on all the way to the top.) < 1403562671 154102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1403562788 409799 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: eh? wut? you... auto tanelled yourself? < 1403562801 518358 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1403562804 287675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may have been that bug that caused my blue screen of death yesterday, for the first time. although that may also have been keeping my browser open too long. < 1403562816 273509 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I felt like saving you the effort < 1403562856 827668 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: enjoying the steam sale? < 1403562885 963990 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm enjoying the 10% off on québec products at the SAQ :D < 1403562897 798506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try to restart my browser about once a day to prevent that, but lately i've been having too many shtetl-optimized tabs i don't want to lose my place in < 1403562899 448269 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we're celebrating la St-Jean à soir!) < 1403562906 11610 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is SAQ < 1403562913 991147 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Société des Alcools du Québec. < 1403562927 304705 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :government-run store? < 1403562934 219883 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly right spot on. < 1403562948 57867 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so weird < 1403562952 559304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a monopoly like the scandinavian ones < 1403562961 575798 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this that whole weird alcohol monopoly thing < 1403562967 785088 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea of a vinmonopolet weirds me < 1403563027 390403 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it is, so they tax us with outrageous taxes, along with some artificial overpricing and taxes on top of it. < 1403563038 774559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"vinmonopolet" translates to "the wine monopoly" you can't put "a" in front hth < 1403563102 924784 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sure i can. i did. < 1403563183 527697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok you can, but you _may_ not hth < 1403563235 78020 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«le vinmonopolet» < 1403563253 118465 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may translate with an article, but it's still the name of a store, and i can always turn the name of a store into a category of store, and then i can refer to particular stores in that category with an indefinite article < 1403563269 458707 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the name of a store? < 1403563300 242625 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it is < 1403563365 455671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: the term for a single unarticled store is "vinmonopol" or to be formal "vinmonopolutsalg" hth < 1403563396 151751 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a tsalg? < 1403563412 255620 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :'utsalg', you mean < 1403563429 103901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ut = out, salg = sale < 1403563456 780320 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but as a brand name, it's vinmonopolet! < 1403563472 512015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be able to support, in a music playback, to have a 6502 emulation which has registers to do three kind of things: sample playback (with the features of Impulse Tracker), OPL2 emulation (for use with some Scream Tracker files), and Amiga LED filter emulations (for use with Amiga Protracker files). < 1403563473 279619 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the idea still weirds me < 1403563476 691376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: tricky < 1403563512 796244 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: “tsalg” is more euphonic, I say. < 1403563520 488583 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think scandinavian countries should outlaw alcohol. < 1403563534 282488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have, $0000-$3FFF = RAM, $4000-$7FFF = audio registers, $8000-$FFFF = ROM (bankswitched). < 1403563540 219215 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Norway did, between 1917 and 1922 < 1403563544 244149 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd do wonders for prices and organized crime < 1403563565 963623 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Finland between 1919 and 1932 < 1403563601 232867 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they still ended up with monopolies? do scandinavian mobsters have no balls? < 1403563607 700939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: norwegian really doesn't use "ts" at the beginning of words, except in loan words like tsatsiki and tse-tse-flue < 1403563656 659702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the less pedantic may pronounce it as just s even then < 1403563684 407753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not even sure which is considered most correct < 1403563800 533591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: vinmonopolet used to be more than just the store, but the eu forced us to disband the import monopoly part < 1403563888 655817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<FireFly> Apparently Norway did, between 1917 and 1922 <-- only hard liquor afair < 1403563917 311006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you were around back then? < 1403563925 224010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE < 1403563936 990374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :only mod. surprising, i suppose < 1403563942 663919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my recall is from some time reading about it, though. < 1403564027 247718 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah, prohibition and temperance. < 1403564041 881096 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such an amusingly counterproductive set of policies. < 1403564058 440124 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best way to make people quit drinking is to give away really shitty alcohol for free < 1403564073 274357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :methanol is really effective for that hth < 1403564093 714513 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1403564105 260712 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdhaa. < 1403564109 639459 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/dh/dnh/ < 1403564128 503696 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not perfectly effective though < 1403564130 617744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: sure it does, i guarantee they'll quit < 1403564139 781500 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :as can be seen in hobos drinking rubbing alcohol when they get desperate < 1403564169 898299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think rubbing alcohol is methanol? < 1403564205 951604 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rubbing is a mix of ethanol and isopropanol. < 1403564206 710877 :douglass!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's isopropyl alcohol < 1403564210 937265 :douglass!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually no ethanol < 1403564212 330859 :douglass!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some water < 1403564214 977947 :douglass!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :30% water < 1403564236 739385 :douglass!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :may vary between countries < 1403564254 704753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi douglass tell kmc we would like him back :( < 1403564262 1520 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the US it's a solution of isopropanol. I imagine the choice varies depending on the country. < 1403564265 874327 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc disappeared? noooooooooo! < 1403564328 601377 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :douglass: Weird. In the US "rubbing alcohol" is defined to be 68-99% isopropanol by volume. :) < 1403564479 300375 :douglass!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the 99% stuff is actually meant for. Maybe for super-cheap people like me who dilute it themselves to save money? < 1403564520 1177 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burning, I presume. < 1403564662 377799 :douglass!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, alcohol stoves are a thing. < 1403564680 383622 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a broad idea of rubbing < 1403564699 702201 :douglass!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was only thinking of this use as "well, I know that's why people buy it, but I'd think stores would not deliberately cater to foolish college students" < 1403564753 939768 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm why is the preferred name 2-propanol instead of propan-2-ol. < 1403564770 819886 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're at a party and a chemistry student offers you some of his homemade «robine» that already smells like vomit even before it went through somebody's mouth once, just say no. < 1403564809 580077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck robine < 1403564819 157908 :douglass!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is robine? < 1403564820 562728 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :robine = mouthwash? < 1403564823 79854 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :??/ < 1403564895 907666 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, rubbing alcohol < 1403565023 628753 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403565048 661857 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1403565072 313835 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: as you pointed out, qc:robine = en:“rubbing alcohol”. we call alcoholic hobos «robineux». < 1403565078 33276 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: hi! < 1403565085 300703 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall goodnight now < 1403565088 247193 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION --> bed < 1403565091 806641 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonne tanuitb! < 1403565093 611591 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the use-mention distinction there seems odd < 1403565619 254171 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to wikipedia brainfuck's typing discipline is 'static, strong, manifest' < 1403565685 641641 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly i have never run into a type error in brainfuck. < 1403565836 146175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: having just one type would tend to imply that, no < 1403565871 180401 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno about 'manifest', you're not exactly declaring the type anywhere < 1403565895 981030 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in fact the ragged edges of the implementation are mostly there because of that) < 1403565902 850876 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/implementation/specification/ < 1403566550 523677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1403566580 851621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could say that since you never declare any variables, all declared variables are manifestly typed hth < 1403566706 27725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this mean underload is manifestly typed too < 1403566765 327385 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck manifest < 1403566768 783493 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1403566771 272522 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1403566780 418627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA < 1403566781 146934 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 232250Z 25009KT 9999 SCT020 BKN050 09/06 Q1020 RMK WIND 670FT 26008KT < 1403566783 248521 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAARGH STUPID BOT DE MARCHE TOUT CROCHE AAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! < 1403566788 10585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, not 10 hth < 1403566796 310517 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. indeed. < 1403566798 794959 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1403566799 306947 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 232300Z 12007KT 30SM FEW065 OVC210 26/11 A3000 RMK SC1CI8 SC TR SLP159 DENSITY ALT 1300FT < 1403567188 407005 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403567209 83898 :nooodl_!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403567262 787499 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ESSA < 1403567263 223029 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSA 232320Z 35010KT 9999 BKN007 09/08 Q1011 TEMPO BKN010 < 1403567406 316671 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403567412 127718 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1403567947 664533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot get this FM synthesizer to work properly! < 1403568028 425708 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which context is it not working properly? < 1403568057 335230 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403568081 304359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to write a suitable FM synthesizer to synthesize samples for AmigaMML. < 1403568129 504534 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403568134 700599 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1403568295 969620 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1403568484 407649 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403568500 510474 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1403568588 939158 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Client Quit < 1403568689 658438 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1403569000 548059 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403569403 36658 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403569410 868129 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403569482 725290 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I did get the PADsynth to work in AmigaMML. < 1403569494 998578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, not FM synth; I cannot get that to work very well! < 1403569567 432784 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403569593 151964 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have advice for writing a proper FM synthesizer (but is not too complicated)? < 1403569597 385884 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403569967 523616 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably through additive synthesis. it may not be real pure standard fm synthesis, but it's cheap and easy to play with. < 1403570112 834492 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403570127 762277 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that beta between the two operators in the first diagram on the wikipédia article confuses me.) < 1403570139 304636 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1403570211 584188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I would intend to implement each operator, where each operator consists of ADSR envelope (with a fixed sustain duration of zero), a tremolo flag, vibrato flag, rectify-waveform flag, and a frequency modulator input. < 1403570223 717314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the proper way to do it? < 1403570448 230682 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders... < 1403570452 42345 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I be looking at Swift? < 1403570459 794577 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will Swift ever be usable on non-Apple machines? < 1403570494 343716 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have you ever used Reason, or anything similar? < 1403570499 149690 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: yes, maybe. < 1403570547 896281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I have not used those < 1403570553 813642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used Csound < 1403570570 500449 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403570572 869767 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not exactly sure what "Reason" is, although I have heard of it < 1403570587 80261 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Reason is very visual, and you stack and connect different modules in a virtual rack. they demos explain quite a bit of how it works. < 1403570598 479850 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.propellerheads.se/products/reason/ < 1403570605 752584 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/they/their/ < 1403570668 739623 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on implementation possibility: you'd have a generator, generating pure samples. nothing more than a level. and then you'd pipe that level through various filters and distortions. < 1403570672 536978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used other DAW software on other people's computer, but I just prefer Csound myself; it is the best kind of DAW software in my opinion. < 1403570707 766941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Csound does work like you describe; you can do it like that, or use commands to generate the tone directly, or a combination of such. < 1403570791 781891 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403570843 210610 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403570859 364757 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1403570885 429105 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403570901 313940 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1403570905 895867 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-208-85.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403570994 867819 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-41.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403571256 760576 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall shamelessly abandon you and disappear on a rented bike for the night. I will return tomorrow. < 1403571280 25786 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: FREQUENT CHICKEN < 1403571281 584382 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403571602 428943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen much of the other software and conclude that Csound is still the best one (Csound is also Free software, was written in 1986, and is still being updated today). < 1403571823 644704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both batch and live modes are supported, it supports MIDI and audio I/O, both from file and live, can load extensions (Csound extensions, VST extensions, and LADSPA extensions), and it can be used as a VST extension, and it supports optional FLTK GUI, and then many other input devices: keyboard, mouse, joystick, and Wii remotes. < 1403571857 958518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Csound is also usable as a Ableton Live extension if you wish to do so. < 1403572069 206959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not used most of these features, but they are there. < 1403572107 154375 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only type of input I have used is from a text file, and the only type of output is to a audio file. < 1403572110 954222 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, it can do much more. < 1403572173 923346 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403572209 902919 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403573291 529069 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^0 < 1403573315 271524 :^0!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1403576203 42692 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net QUIT : < 1403576381 441514 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403576810 497356 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403577312 452099 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403579629 887412 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1403579630 699711 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403580423 927128 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403581383 352339 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403581484 168270 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1403581600 149641 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403583214 793089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made version 0.4 of AmigaMML. Do you like this? < 1403583394 78044 :nooodl__!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403583635 778279 :nooodl_!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403583687 948551 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-puiszzxyxttigfwc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1403583793 839633 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403583914 524235 :nooodl__!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1403584188 665878 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403584335 308838 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403584633 289221 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1403584945 780577 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403585617 423932 :MoALTz__!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403585787 457107 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403586042 775704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1403586237 481667 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403586295 780328 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403587267 868398 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403587778 161371 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What a shame. I was hoping for a list of truly bizarre programming languages, in the vein of APL, MUMPS and PHP. " < 1403587782 96837 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammingLanguages/comments/1wivj6/10_most_bizarre_programming_languages_ever/ < 1403587846 845963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_ what are you doing < 1403587859 670663 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading /r/ProgrammingLanguages < 1403589174 564513 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403589212 495877 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403589374 246914 :atehwa!~atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1403589445 774650 :password2!~password@197.78.152.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403589604 474431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone else ever make such things where logical negation rules are considered as structural rules? < 1403589637 498802 :atehwa!~atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403589958 295347 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1403590057 935470 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403590088 470530 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403590304 466651 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-41.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not once. < 1403591176 304537 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :v^ < 1403591180 292829 :v^!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^0 < 1403591379 925734 :MoALTz__!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403591494 547704 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1403591570 306201 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403593692 895112 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1403594363 345954 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1403595137 538504 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.142.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 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JOIN :#esoteric < 1403605012 906163 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403605015 749662 :tromp____!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403605141 714297 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403605197 308929 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403605213 698212 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403605249 699170 :tromp___!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403605249 875853 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403605257 324225 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403605429 715634 :tromp____!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403605801 376838 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403607064 864204 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:Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403609560 426282 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403609657 470433 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403609657 620847 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403609780 162337 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1403610111 547084 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1403610666 259149 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403611112 454549 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403611967 744417 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1403613441 353985 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403614661 777305 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403614897 670079 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403614964 433168 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403616772 636011 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403617009 673589 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone recognise this programming language? https://twitter.com/john_metcalf/status/481366103424512000/photo/1 < 1403617147 533004 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic_: I don't recognize that < 1403617171 179924 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic_: it's probably something old because it has ".and.", could it be a fortran variant? < 1403617177 816630 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dialect < 1403617296 285406 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think it's the dBase language, but I don't remember ever using dBase... < 1403617438 470844 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's dBase, per wikipédia's examples. < 1403617579 155768 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going by the colour codes, e.g. W/BG+ for white text on a cyan background. < 1403617615 492691 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although something else might use the same / similar codes. < 1403617743 879301 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic_: it ays W+/BG < 1403617748 823328 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plus is in the middle < 1403617767 687970 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably means intensity, so W+/BG is bright white on cyan background < 1403617776 11686 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=632745 < 1403617776 983541 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, sorry (was typing from memory) < 1403617801 507806 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: nice, that matches < 1403618193 403341 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403618294 610401 :heroux!~heroux@5070830A.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403618625 357757 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.142.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403618789 506942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the only reply to the "what language is this?" tweet is "what language is this?" < 1403620298 779416 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403620661 777825 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.116.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403620872 903619 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BytePusher II14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39919 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+1752) 10I suppose I should be a Knight < 1403621483 915022 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ought to bother logging into the wiki again, if only to take the time to categorize uncateogrized pages. < 1403621539 457179 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1403622003 863796 :Patashu!Helix@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403622013 867767 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403622054 76572 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403622178 619298 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 503 SERVICE UNAVAILABLE!!!1!!one!!!1!!11! < 1403622189 994943 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh. hm. it seems to be back to normal.) < 1403622518 791136 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403622987 574403 :wagner!4d0b5c81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.92.129 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1403623025 949660 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39920&oldid=39917 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+52) 10categories < 1403623041 783415 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.116.206 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403623575 643906 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403623585 871108 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403623811 777710 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.116.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403623897 981881 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Turning tarpit14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39921&oldid=33737 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+70) 10this page isn't itself a turning tarpit! < 1403624176 799732 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno about that, I think descriptions of a general category go in the category they describe, or at least that's how Wikiepedia does it. < 1403624218 354385 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that or the category page needs to link to the description from the category page description. < 1403624241 437154 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh it is linked. < 1403625040 904997 :^0!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1403625195 441785 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is lambda calculus considered a turing tarpit? < 1403625450 393039 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question. it starts out as one, but you have higher order functions which are extremely neat for abstraction, so in principle you can get out of the pit. < 1403625521 490873 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it odd that two brainfuck derivatives are in that category, but not the original. < 1403625537 776620 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn’t a turing tarpit be difficult? Is lambda calculus considered difficult? < 1403625538 991633 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe jus tmake brainfuck derivatives a turing tarpit subcategorey? < 1403625556 127474 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*category < 1403625571 191331 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just make < 1403625606 8887 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d be okay with calling SKI calculus difficult to use but perhaps not lambda calculus. < 1403625756 268322 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: yet there's a straight-forward translation from lambda calculus to SKI calculus < 1403625803 944482 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though you have a point there; the only way I've ever written unlambda programs beyond hello world is by writing them in lambda calculus) < 1403625807 949807 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There’s an even more straight-forward translation from the usual lambda calculus to one with de Bruijn indices and i’d also call the latter difficult to use. < 1403625874 832346 :Aetherspawn-!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ntlxlfimlxoetdgm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1403625936 502285 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1403626993 781209 :heroux!~heroux@5070830A.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403627073 87185 :heroux!~heroux@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403627435 518187 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403628127 243714 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403628181 656976 :heroux!~heroux@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403628231 278514 :heroux!~heroux@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403628786 496685 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: DECIDUOUS CHICKEN < 1403629075 619415 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403629239 9203 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403629843 781098 :heroux!~heroux@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403630229 523069 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403630480 76407 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1403630807 608855 :heroux!~heroux@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403630939 452389 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403630973 616393 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic_: it looks BASIC-y to me < 1403631031 602709 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403631053 866088 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403631713 116317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403632392 871364 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/library/3kdwea32(v=vs.80).aspx looks similar < 1403632609 623872 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-41.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403632704 863992 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-248-143.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403633062 777968 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403633293 633612 :heroux!~heroux@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403633540 330442 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :TieSoul_ < 1403633585 842253 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :TieSoul-mobile < 1403633599 749 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :TieSoul < 1403633661 68943 :heroux!~heroux@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403633719 627584 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1403634913 614676 :heroux!~heroux@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403634938 585480 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403635277 128986 :heroux!~heroux@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403636476 107262 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1403636762 151406 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403637153 781647 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403637189 243709 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403637291 785135 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403637399 803590 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403637451 760909 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1403637926 557788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps not terribly unlikely for dBase and FoxPro languages to look similar. < 1403638008 717570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe FoxPro's been a dBase look-alike in its past. < 1403638039 719733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having .T. for truth and then && etc. instead of .AND. looks kinda strange. < 1403638610 97665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: isn't that a fortranism? < 1403638642 529975 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all old programming languages from that era had that because you couldn't punch && to a punch card. && was spreaded by the success of C later. < 1403638705 272915 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :& didn't exist on punch cards? < 1403638752 105350 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1403638811 322533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Having .T. and .AND. both wouldn't look strange. But FireFly's FoxPro link had .T. yet still &&. < 1403638846 659392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FORTRAN spells it .TRUE., too.) < 1403638847 388748 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: probaby because it's not that old < 1403638900 216679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it shouldn't have .T. either. < 1403638909 216598 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, what should it have instead? < 1403638933 114407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :.T. obviously pairs with the .X. style boolean operators. < 1403638936 44230 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a keyword like TRUE? < 1403638943 691873 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just 1? < 1403638967 559942 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or (0=0)? < 1403638987 557322 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1403639034 586535 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :douglass: I think it's significantly harder to make 99% isopropanol than 70% isopropanol or whatever. < 1403639100 245977 :douglass!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This makes sense, and yet when I've seen it for sale it doesn't seem correspondingly more expensive. < 1403639122 497357 :douglass!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also 70% has (or should have) higher demand because it's better at disinfecting thins < 1403639142 110127 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm, Wikipedia says that distilling gives you 91% ABV. < 1403639176 778703 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403639204 584119 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403639205 595471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean. They've clearly copied .T. from somewhere. dBASE, most likely. Which also has .OR., .NOT. and so on. < 1403639255 735487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, never mind since I just totally misread the sample. :p < 1403639269 631946 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403639269 821536 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION opens a random box of computers :-) < 1403639273 115203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out && is the inline comment indicator. < 1403639276 506966 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Christmas... < 1403639342 548728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though they *also* seem to have dropped the dots out of the operators, and just kept them as keywords AND and OR.) < 1403639630 963238 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1403639845 640001 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403639877 931036 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1403639936 130817 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03RYANNINJASHEEP 5* 10New user account < 1403639964 39685 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain initially broke that up as Ryannin Jasheep. < 1403640088 665896 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :りゃんにん・ジャシープ < 1403640181 386220 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's ryannin jasheep? < 1403640194 439602 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1403640284 490628 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing with http://wordsmith.org/anagram/ ... "Japan Yen Shrine" is an anagram of "Ryannin Jasheep". < 1403640554 457560 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe “ryannin” is some kind of weird chinese-dialect-imported-into-japanese meaning 「二人」... < 1403640637 19766 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but that doesn't explain what's a “jasheep” at all.) < 1403640705 517352 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Ja Rule rules over Ja Sheep < 1403640883 964327 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403640910 927224 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1403640980 928734 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403641033 265569 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jsfjxinjxdanmnri JOIN :#esoteric < 1403641454 529503 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1403641574 901163 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1403641801 495714 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403642348 551228 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403643031 913690 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1403643322 475075 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Slide14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39922 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+980) 10Created page with "Wouldn't it be better to use spaces for empty space? I've also been using "#" for immovables in my scribblings here. Of course, the input syntax doesn't really matter once e..." < 1403643344 617325 :hubs!hubs@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe69:46d3 QUIT :K-Lined < 1403643480 874030 :hubs!hubs@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe69:46d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403643930 54115 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1403644353 926922 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-248-143.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403644492 462406 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-36.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403644689 914703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1403644787 417030 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Quit: tswett < 1403644862 428076 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-36.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403644995 578499 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-88-27.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403645500 385603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<impomatic_> Does anyone recognise this programming language? https://twitter.com/john_metcalf/status/481366103424512000/photo/1 <-- no, but now i know what you look like *MWAHAHAHA* < 1403645764 507160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<MDude> Maybe jus tmake brainfuck derivatives a turing tarpit subcategorey? <-- to me turing tarpit implies minimalism, and not all brainfuck derivatives are minimalistic. < 1403645781 755179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell MDude <MDude> Maybe jus tmake brainfuck derivatives a turing tarpit subcategorey? <-- to me turing tarpit implies minimalism, and not all brainfuck derivatives are minimalistic. < 1403645781 905381 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1403645893 681740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ion> Shouldn’t a turing tarpit be difficult? Is lambda calculus considered difficult? <-- lambda calculus is a turing tarpit that, unlike most others, minimalizes on abstraction itself. therefore it can be one while still being useable. < 1403645907 839952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ion <ion> Shouldn’t a turing tarpit be difficult? Is lambda calculus considered difficult? <-- lambda calculus is a turing tarpit that, unlike most others, minimalizes on abstraction itself. therefore it can be one while still being useable. < 1403645907 990109 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1403646125 805171 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net QUIT : < 1403646260 702302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your evil schemes involve knowing what people look like? < 1403646300 128350 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly insidious, no? < 1403646304 558626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how else can my robots recognize them < 1403646329 344938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i look like this http://slbkbs.org/sb/1.png hth < 1403646330 942087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose dna, but that's even harder to find via internet < 1403646416 587756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i always knew you were a fan < 1403646433 524999 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-88-27.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403646528 323123 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-140.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403647088 327744 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403647137 346757 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403647168 707793 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spins shachaf round and round and round “weeeeeee” < 1403647267 466936 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403647443 887861 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403648511 796682 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39923&oldid=39919 5* 03Ryanninjasheep 5* (+135) 10/* A Question... */ new section < 1403648727 759732 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: bonjoily < 1403649000 126068 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1403649055 759567 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric challenge: fire up a text editor and write fizzbuzz in, C or something, without hitting backspace < 1403649074 992891 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna try this?? oh god < 1403649110 928774 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"#include <td" welp < 1403649193 642155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: just make td.h < 1403649210 600026 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow yes i should've rolled with this. damn < 1403649250 28718 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(loop for i from 1 to 100 when (zerop (mod i 3)) do (print "fizz") when (zerop (mod i oh i forget an unless, well, blah. < 1403649296 940637 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh jesus i started the worst indentation habit but now i have to roll with it < 1403649345 127614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlines [s | i <- [1..100], let p = (i `mod` 3) == 0, let q = (i `mo` 5 == 0), let s = if p then "Fizz" else "" ++ if q then "Buzz" else ""] < 1403649349 731863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : where < 1403649353 475775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : mo = mod < 1403649360 903346 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :smooth. < 1403649362 918164 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1403649363 794038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just pretend I put main = putStr $ in front of that < 1403649377 427028 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume all vi commands for deleting or changing text are also prohibited in the challenge? < 1403649387 46124 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unlines [s | i <- [1..100], let p = (i `mod` 3) == 0, let q = (i `mo` 5 == 0), let s = if p then "Fizz" else "" ++ if q then "Buzz" else ""] where mo = mod < 1403649388 145310 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:143: parse error on input ‘where’ < 1403649395 691515 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :for vi you enter insert mode and never look back < 1403649398 517303 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, you need a newline, huh. < 1403649404 376285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let mo = mod in unlines [s | i <- [1..100], let p = (i `mod` 3) == 0, let q = (i `mo` 5 == 0), let s = if p then "Fizz" else "" ++ if q then "Buzz" else ""] < 1403649405 913982 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\n\nFizz\n\nBuzz\nFizz\n\n\nFizz\nBuzz\n\nFizz\n\n\nFizz\n\n\nFizz\n\nBuzz\... < 1403649407 383805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need main = < 1403649408 439687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately < 1403649413 444985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"... where ..." isn't an expression < 1403649414 179928 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sux < 1403649418 189962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw I guess the \ns are cheating < 1403649443 602216 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :minimalist fizzbuzz < 1403649565 170950 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzbuzz isn't hard enough though. hm < 1403649600 279020 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prime sieve? < 1403649608 772133 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i could just name infinite programming tasks, i guess. < 1403649680 143113 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1403649884 764625 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ps = 2 : 3 : filter p [5,7,..]-- oops what did i o < 1403649885 792238 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:32: parse error on input ‘..’ < 1403649929 139217 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [5,7,..] -- i thought this worked. < 1403649930 129592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:6: parse error on input ‘..’ < 1403649937 627235 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [5,7,...] < 1403649938 696562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:9: parse error on input ‘]’ < 1403649948 983723 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ps = filter p [2..] where p n = all (\x -> mod n x == 0) [2..n-1] in ps < 1403649952 619731 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1403649978 707600 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1403650026 291548 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-140.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403650059 898014 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. == < 1403650104 368949 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretend i caught that just a bit earlier and < 1403650105 727573 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ps = filter p [2..] where p n = all (\x -> mod n x == 0) [2..n-1]; (==) = (/=) in ps < 1403650107 107132 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,73,79,83,89,97,101,... < 1403650135 301408 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-169.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403650593 184203 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: helooooodl. < 1403650626 87380 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was watching some ethoslab.) < 1403650642 991970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [x | let x = mo; mo = 2] < 1403650643 723835 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403650644 301787 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2] < 1403650646 586295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1403650665 879947 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403650668 497981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it could have been repaired after the mo` < 1403650758 903617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anything that could have repaired it much later < 1403650839 559027 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403651073 354902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cannot think of anything < 1403651296 799591 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39924&oldid=39923 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+2125) 10 < 1403651448 639440 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403651474 888635 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1403652055 879303 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1403653272 508592 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403653389 615764 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403653400 871598 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403653401 29230 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1403653451 660129 :nooodl_!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403653644 390305 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403653743 934209 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403654085 156643 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403654934 394772 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39925&oldid=39924 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+523) 10RE: A Question... < 1403655569 788230 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403656253 988325 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1403656273 356398 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1403656436 528532 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403656835 696846 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403656835 868985 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1403656835 869110 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1403659325 309551 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :SteamSale < 1403659853 808927 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: BEDSHEET CHICKEN < 1403659857 910176 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403661596 300459 :nooodl_!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1403662849 502948 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403663686 346756 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1403667520 664621 :SteamSale!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :v^ < 1403667531 122345 :v^!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1403667608 743230 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping 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:Guest76320!skarn@binary.firrre.com QUIT :Changing host < 1403676245 731982 :Guest76320!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1403676253 334486 :Guest76320!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn NICK :skarn < 1403676520 671873 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^0 < 1403678495 893684 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403683516 659312 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39926&oldid=39925 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+1834) 10/* RE: A Question... */ keyboard modes < 1403684659 403044 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39927&oldid=39926 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+861) 10/* RE: the opinions of GreyKnight */ < 1403684775 694538 :tracksneo!~tracksneo@181.194.155.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403685740 749224 :tracksneo!~tracksneo@181.194.155.101 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1403686173 488419 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403686233 911429 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403686299 623668 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, today's Girl Genius. "The engine that made the Konigsberg run in LESS then[sic] TWELVE KILOMETERS!" < 1403686454 777687 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1403686569 108876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread that "in" as "is", and thought that that meant the engine was less than twelve kilometers in size. < 1403686584 491890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And made a thing called Konigsberg to run. < 1403686836 276438 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net QUIT : < 1403687337 777784 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403687359 466133 :Aetherspawn-!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ykhqudhcwizimoom JOIN :#esoteric < 1403687531 895422 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1403687793 924664 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403688063 907690 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403688206 912067 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1403688285 592852 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403688419 505425 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.clickhole.com/article/stick-butter-left-out-room-temperature-you-wont-be-368 < 1403688557 423756 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1403688671 874736 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org NICK :TANEB < 1403688737 379952 :TANEB!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org NICK :Taneb < 1403688871 317947 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1403688922 487394 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403690746 333466 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O (Skirting a black hole cluster …) < 1403690764 754113 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar, what the hell is the context for that < 1403690871 555383 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Girl Genius comic you mentioned. < 1403690914 415907 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes < 1403690927 31937 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that was what happened in the comic as they are talking about a train < 1403690944 856008 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in the referenced work it was either that or the guy who said it was bullshitting < 1403690958 317938 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403690962 541747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, perhaps the engine is powerful enough to go over a steeper mountain than other trains. < 1403691006 751898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The existence of rails to be handwaved in some other way.) < 1403691039 918231 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is my uni's CS department staff vs students cricket match < 1403691070 336274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you be winning by ten degrees Kelvin? < 1403691086 527564 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think so, I will not be playing < 1403691087 942656 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jsfjxinjxdanmnri QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1403691090 988071 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may turn up and watch < 1403691181 851452 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If and only if you subscribe to the Expanded Universe, the Kessel Run in twelve parsecs is confirmed in a novel somewhere. It was, however, desperation and luck rather than a premeditated achievement. < 1403691292 644009 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lucky Starr has done the Kessell Run in twelve parsecs too in one of the novels < 1403691303 576282 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s mentioned elsewhere that the Maw (the black hole cluster) shouldn’t be able to exist, as black holes generally don’t form clusters without just merging. < 1403691351 637231 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, space opera. < 1403691535 240927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you believe the script notes, Solo's "obviously lying". (I'm a bit worried about the "Parts of this article have been identified as no longer being up to date" template in the Wookieepedia article.) < 1403691539 576171 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: and I think a star system like Lagash/Kalgash shouldn't be able to exist < 1403691703 767008 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I’m not familiar with that one. < 1403691770 52100 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: Lagash is the planet with five suns in Asimov's short story (and novel) ''Nightfall'' < 1403691774 475217 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403691785 503366 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it six suns? < 1403691787 222958 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't follow < 1403691926 964530 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403691939 759097 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :six suns < 1403693152 590160 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403693173 713267 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1403693316 862461 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403693317 798964 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1403693318 247644 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 251030Z 02012KT 10SM -DZ FEW009 OVC011 19/18 A2988 RMK SF1SC8 SF TR SLP119 DENSITY ALT 600FT < 1403693326 473341 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bletch. < 1403693327 552485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1403693328 63622 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 251020Z 33010KT 9999 SCT035 BKN062 13/05 Q1011 NOSIG < 1403693429 574603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The famous -DZ Do'Urden. < 1403693552 757356 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the current weather indeed brings pictures of him, with everything being glauque. < 1403693582 35688 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :19/18, high humidity? sounds unpleasant < 1403693624 45411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been quite DZy here the last few days, but today seems drier. < 1403693634 704021 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar LOWI < 1403693635 163589 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 251020Z 24003KT 180V300 9999 FEW025 SCT120 20/12 Q1009 NOSIG < 1403693683 244276 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka nice weather) < 1403693687 615626 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: we had pockets of air during the solid rain last night. I fear the moment I'll have to go outside. < 1403693724 621742 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, this wohle weather is very humid, it's been for two months now < 1403693896 815327 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hm. I don't happen to have a record of your approximate geographic coördinates from the The Question. where were you again? < 1403693929 143377 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in Budapest < 1403693983 51599 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar LHBP < 1403693983 201974 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LHBP 251030Z VRB03KT 9999 SCT020 BKN200 20/14 Q1009 NOSIG < 1403694000 451915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's nice but strange is that despite the warm winter we don't have too many mosquitos yet < 1403694479 146912 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are biding their time, plotting, scheming in the dark and damp recesses of the city. they'll suddenly swarm together, a single legion of high-pitched buzzing hellbeasts bent on showing their ecological responsibility and not wasting a single drop of blood. < 1403694614 933291 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hitchcock, The 'Quitos < 1403694641 164283 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CLOUDY CHICKEN < 1403694643 423808 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403694720 777821 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.53.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403694725 4582 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.53.104 QUIT :Changing host < 1403694725 154832 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403695173 909266 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403695602 475138 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1403696117 299594 :nooodl_!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403696437 294543 :nooodl_!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403697092 605631 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403698078 692264 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1403700733 493464 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1403702475 545924 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1403702776 777296 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403703136 477443 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1403704296 166 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1403704437 458732 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-184-244-109.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403704870 548935 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403704991 215187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how all these conference invitations get Thunderbird's "this message may be a scam" warning. < 1403705443 288226 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1403706131 536770 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403706870 328428 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1403707108 774671 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1403707765 328268 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403707765 517430 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1403707765 517556 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1403708637 622370 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403708682 215582 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1403708698 304456 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1403708698 967876 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1403708704 308421 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1403708923 900401 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero < 1403708979 666149 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403708983 219322 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1403709011 180373 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403709436 471768 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403710366 255044 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403711828 505779 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39928&oldid=39927 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+765) 10RE: Colors < 1403712059 244078 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39929&oldid=39928 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+161) 10/* RE: the opinions of GreyKnight */ < 1403712161 207540 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403712219 256230 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403712351 149511 :^0!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1403712417 784332 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.116.206 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403712467 237466 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.142.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403714075 426785 :Aetherspawn-!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ykhqudhcwizimoom QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1403716789 513634 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-juemmpdzngmechrv JOIN :#esoteric < 1403718041 778062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403718120 302258 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-169.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403718222 613474 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-199-119.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403718903 243775 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403718993 936284 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403719131 418533 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1403719337 253880 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403719475 304909 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1403719691 515452 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.142.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403720871 296139 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.142.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403723163 529270 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1403726135 303 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1403726661 661614 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403727181 217588 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403727792 309079 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1403728362 765415 :vifino_!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1403728441 194673 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403728537 509201 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403729182 593576 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403730064 915189 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403730205 489366 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403730417 277762 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Client Quit < 1403730440 289475 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403730507 120420 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1403731266 741663 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403731620 303739 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.142.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403732215 776990 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403732849 830164 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403732892 428039 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403733006 749747 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sweats profusely < 1403733012 389979 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1403733013 4464 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 252100Z 01012KT 15SM SCT030 BKN120 BKN240 23/17 A2991 RMK SC3AC2CI2 CU ASOCTD SLP128 DENSITY ALT 1100FT < 1403733027 934334 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not even that humid. go figure. < 1403733076 296015 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.116.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403733269 918893 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403733348 446660 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403733456 250334 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :75% to 80%? < 1403733485 162347 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar LOWI < 1403733485 664621 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 252150Z AUTO 09003KT 050V120 9999 FEW020 BKN026 13/11 Q1015 < 1403733503 129820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1403733530 965185 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: 53%. < 1403733580 535923 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: uhm, sorry. that is for CYQB. < 1403733595 567535 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see what I did wrong (still getting 65% but hey, it sounds bearable) < 1403733611 694674 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYQB < 1403733612 235704 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 252100Z 07008KT 30SM FEW035 SCT095 BKN250 22/12 A2995 RMK SC1AC2CI4 SLP141 DENSITY ALT 1100FT < 1403733612 429398 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403733632 466442 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403733655 696650 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403733777 808508 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ah, finally got it. 68.9% here. < 1403733809 143732 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :87.6% on your end. < 1403733860 763207 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but 13 degrees quite cool, too cool for the humidity to matter much. < 1403733881 718198 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for people) < 1403734420 513537 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403734479 970640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Taneb> Heh, today's Girl Genius. "The engine that made the Konigsberg run in LESS then[sic] TWELVE KILOMETERS!" <-- i think you mean monday's hth < 1403734497 776503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks if wednesday's is finally up < 1403734518 192169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1403734548 636467 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1403734556 194169 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH. thanks for reminding me that I'm hopelessly late with catching up on GG. < 1403734558 420079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a cute shout out, anyway < 1403734632 6168 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403734678 930038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how far the corbettite monks' rail network goes. also, given that it's clearly sacred, if the schedule is actually unchangeable < 1403734711 636740 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's a 13km race. thanks for making me google. < 1403734751 581729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what is < 1403734845 950308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i have no idea what you are googling, "konigsberg run" doesn't show up anything relevant < 1403734864 1356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that's not the reference i got, anyway < 1403734913 777998 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403734936 532844 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably a run around konigsbergs < 1403734953 47759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries changing to kaliningrad but it doesn't help < 1403734984 879787 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403735085 756482 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: königsberglauf < 1403735123 573882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly german-only sites < 1403735164 831870 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I originally interpreted that as engine making the city run < 1403735195 242470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i am doubtful that the GG authors were thinking of that < 1403735245 242775 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: granted, but it's a neat detail isn't it :) < 1403735310 291914 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1403735310 442643 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403735413 851571 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403735418 49556 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( I hate it when LaTeX chokes on its .aux file. ) < 1403735424 579762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: also i take it that is not königsberg the city (which isn't even in germany any more) < 1403735507 129101 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right. the destination is a small mountain called Königsberg. (king's mountain) < 1403735534 736452 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I still find it funny because 13km is so close to 12km. < 1403735605 404149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 12 is of course straight from the original source < 1403735626 599197 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: LaTeX can choke on its own aux? how is that possible? what kind of fungottian magic did you invoke? < 1403735626 835649 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: budget issues make sarahbot sad?) that suddenly failed. :( < 1403735735 927789 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1403735743 802950 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[4~boily: sometimes an error in a latex document will cause it to produce a corrupt .aux file (which consists of tex code after all, and is read when the .tex file is processed). Subsequently fixing the error in the document will not help in that case. And it happens so infrequently that I'm surprised every time it happens. < 1403735832 29894 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403735891 47828 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mustn't have typed enough LaTeX in my time, then, for it has never happened to me. (and yes, even with this chännel's courteous efforts to make my life miserable while compiling the PDF, no, never had I a corrupted .aux.) < 1403735993 341964 :aretecode!~aretecode@207.126.94.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403736389 659552 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uccykrdyqknfxinm QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403736473 483022 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-juemmpdzngmechrv QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1403736654 427664 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ozhdfaqjqmnatobn JOIN :#esoteric < 1403736994 152095 :douglass!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's important to delete all the latex droppings if you have confusing errors < 1403737009 277610 :douglass!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :same goes for the bibliography files < 1403737015 494768 :douglass!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have any < 1403737021 806714 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do < 1403737029 687050 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they weren't causing trouble *this time* < 1403737305 169851 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ansskotlvbjscmrj JOIN :#esoteric < 1403737660 534897 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of errors, youtube just gave me an interesting one: «Une erreur s'est produite. Veuillez réessayer.» < 1403737812 52605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that ungrammatical or something < 1403737833 325614 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-22-85.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403738095 338082 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all. I just find its approximate and foggy vagueness to be strangely zen. < 1403738158 901965 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403738163 540231 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"an error has occurred, please retry"? < 1403738216 12559 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1403738245 438561 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mind you, it's nicely worded. also, the CSS was just right. < 1403738335 105713 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ftr, I don't know french) < 1403738357 129892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn f :: Maybe (b -> Either a b) < 1403738357 311941 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot parse command < 1403738364 712922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Maybe (b -> Either a b) < 1403738364 871140 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f = Nothing < 1403738381 450255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1403738681 434313 :nooodl_!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403738699 803248 :vifino_!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1403738759 3405 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a “b -> Either a b” function possible? shouldn't “a” be fixed to a single type, and not be a variable? < 1403738831 597268 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-199-119.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn b -> Either a b < 1403738831 760011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f = Right < 1403738846 741383 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-199-119.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that makes sense. < 1403738862 464560 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.120-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403739020 383749 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is suddenly illuminated < 1403739069 933922 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help one of my friends and I have done something very bad < 1403739088 813525 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-199-119.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Felony or misdemeanor? < 1403739094 688411 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure < 1403739099 996289 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither of us are US citizens < 1403739113 650364 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is illegal, illicit or amoral? < 1403739118 369640 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaanyway, you know how Facebook has a "Poke" feature? < 1403739120 680846 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-199-119.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, are those terms america-specific < 1403739122 339429 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/what is/was it/ < 1403739171 521985 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-199-119.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's not as important in the UK, ok. < 1403739222 672457 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Facebook has a "Poke" feature that counts how many times two people have pressed the button that says "poke back" < 1403739229 909963 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of like a lame co-op cookie clicker < 1403739236 674049 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we've both scripted it < 1403739464 13565 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many? < 1403739501 667169 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far 206 < 1403739523 693199 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-199-119.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, probably a felony. < 1403739683 598272 :nooodl_!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's like how an "[a]" value is possible, i guess ([]) < 1403739790 684857 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, some of my friends are putting on a play! < 1403739811 317262 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I kind of want to go to see it < 1403739820 613979 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is a long way away (on UK scales) < 1403739825 793490 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not even that far actually) < 1403739992 774805 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1403740018 940824 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: thus the illumination, or enlightenment if you prefer. < 1403740411 932673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay GG now updated < 1403740433 775192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, partway. < 1403740516 43603 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1403740529 602425 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403740745 91156 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 < 1403740746 568806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1403740765 675365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and _there_ i'm back up to 3 shtethl-optimized tabs again. < 1403740784 532508 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-199-119.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty shtethl < 1403740799 674445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1403740802 17442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shtetl < 1403740875 824076 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck shtetl < 1403740876 365701 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shtetls were small towns with large Jewish population which existed in Central and Eastern Europe before the Holocaust. Shtetls were mainly found in the areas which constituted the 19th century Pale of Settlement in the Russian Empire, the Congress Kingdom of Poland, Galicia and Romania. In Yiddish, a larger city, like Lemberg or Czernowitz, was called a shtot; a village was called a dorf. < 1403740954 810100 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-199-119.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :morbid. < 1403741007 734259 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-22-85.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403741205 372219 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.116.206 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403741338 629638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :gives a new meaning to dorf fortress < 1403741341 633747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just say scott aaronson isn't trying to hide his jewishness 'kay? < 1403742232 479913 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go, no GG comic < 1403742241 327820 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :partially colored, tsk < 1403742277 372935 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1403742674 687643 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. s/no/new/. < 1403742746 466036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you see it, new you don't. < 1403742749 534735 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403744543 958091 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ENDLESS CHICKEN < 1403744547 457390 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403744577 496592 :Aetherspawn-!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xwsnzuycqqfjpnkm JOIN :#esoteric < 1403745007 359265 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1403745128 625254 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1403745204 146408 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403745579 161931 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403745600 701864 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403745601 256429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: brb < 1403745806 425950 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1403745862 513736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1403745887 498929 :nooodl_!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403746057 157984 :dennis714!~user@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403746179 864972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403748481 529185 :dennis714!~user@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) < 1403749684 338202 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-22-85.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403749955 348629 :augur_!~augur@c-69-250-22-85.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403749958 118678 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-22-85.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403750471 804172 :aretecode!~aretecode@207.126.94.2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403750621 659191 :aretecode!~aretecode@173.192.170.114-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403751431 595303 :augur_!~augur@c-69-250-22-85.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1403751944 181704 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403751945 376834 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1403751948 289553 JOIN :#esoteric > 1403751948 803547 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403751956 414922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1403751962 523914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1403751985 700769 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39930&oldid=39859 5* 0324.44.25.193 5* (+14) 10/* T */ < 1403752126 20803 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tuplary14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39931 5* 0324.44.25.193 5* (+235) 10Created page with "The '''tuplary''' programming language was created by Daniel Borowski. The language is composed entirely of brackets and runs in the browser by compiling into JavaScript. Docu..." < 1403752208 315405 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-22-85.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403752286 766817 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tuplary14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39932&oldid=39931 5* 0324.44.25.193 5* (+307) 10 < 1403752321 174776 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tuplary14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39933&oldid=39932 5* 0324.44.25.193 5* (-9) 10/* EXAMPLE FIBONACCI PROGRAM */ < 1403752341 839438 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-22-85.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403752424 285036 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1403752424 571899 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403752483 498378 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tuplary14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39934&oldid=39933 5* 0324.44.25.193 5* (+200) 10/* Example Fibonacci Program */ < 1403752571 388154 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tuplary14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39935&oldid=39934 5* 0324.44.25.193 5* (+63) 10 < 1403753641 19660 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1403754866 829831 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403754916 284772 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT : < 1403754989 701659 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403758385 14261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1403759025 354004 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403760439 859738 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-129-150.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403761089 577194 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403762211 610507 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403762433 899108 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-129-150.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403762685 557844 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^0 < 1403763258 170225 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403764846 279384 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net QUIT : < 1403765344 499521 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403767888 551243 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ozhdfaqjqmnatobn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1403768431 737662 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403769146 297351 :nooodl!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403771174 314327 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403771807 139751 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (List _|_) [] < 1403771811 452939 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04[] : 12List 12_|_ < 1403773475 904678 :Aetherspawn-!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xwsnzuycqqfjpnkm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1403773600 438238 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39936 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+9082) 10Created page with "'''SYCPOL''' ('''Sy'''stem '''c'''ard '''p'''r'''o'''gramming '''l'''anguage, pronounced /'sɪkpɔl/) is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[User:GermanyBoy]] in..." < 1403773744 715634 :ejls!~ejls@ejls.fr QUIT :Quit: -1 < 1403773788 944350 :ejls!~ejls@esimon.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1403774088 363858 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ESSA < 1403774093 835237 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1403774096 757289 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :noily < 1403774898 312905 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1403775071 138162 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403775092 465435 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1403775397 91809 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:GermanyBoy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39937&oldid=39790 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+67) 10Added SYCPOL < 1403775428 697386 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39938&oldid=39930 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+13) 10/* S */ SYCPOL < 1403775595 362645 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403775844 131622 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403776063 111129 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403776132 818001 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1403776913 445602 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1403776926 18326 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403776937 997801 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403776983 325615 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net QUIT : < 1403777143 474327 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403778151 493121 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403778403 26977 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403781052 714100 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PLURALIST CHICKEN < 1403782176 707182 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://willyreport.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/the-willy-report-proof-of-massive-fraudulent-trading-activity-at-mt-gox-and-how-it-has-affected-the-price-of-bitcoin/ so this is a pretty fun read < 1403783064 783261 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, wow < 1403783080 776851 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all very cyberpunk < 1403783206 341761 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1403783327 697371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The future of money. < 1403783629 91316 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1403783797 351165 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403783872 198271 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero < 1403783964 487227 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1403785459 267146 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403785859 396986 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403785874 500365 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1403787467 475674 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1403789025 427920 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403789025 611636 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1403789025 611773 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1403789508 343928 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403789659 640311 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Slide14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39939&oldid=39922 5* 03107.5.152.253 5* (+483) 10 < 1403790719 197069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I wonder about LaTeX newcommand and renewcommand. < 1403790806 301720 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tziuohsushobykdl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403790837 736764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For \newcommand, it is an error if the command is already defined; for \renewcommand, it is an error if the command is *not*.) < 1403790947 621316 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it avoids training people to just use 'renewcommand' all the time. < 1403790985 988942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's reasonable. But I've occasionally wanted a "just define it no matter what", like the TeX \def. < 1403790995 274638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's a \defcommand like that in the moredefs package.) < 1403791289 375589 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39940&oldid=39936 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+2361) 10lists and structures < 1403791381 367916 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39941&oldid=39940 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-1) 10/* LAYOUT DIVISION */ < 1403791527 378686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just exported a BibTeX citation from an ACM journal, and it says issue_date = {January 2008}, year = {2007}, month = jan, which seems somewhat inconsistent. < 1403791570 338873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ACM index page itself says "2007 Article" "Volume 1 Issue 3, January 2008". < 1403791580 649320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could be the submission year, but that seems weird for a citation. < 1403791651 936409 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39942&oldid=39941 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+130) 10Reading from a list < 1403791708 548158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the PDF says "Vol. 1, No. 3 (2007)". < 1403791766 884656 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39943&oldid=39942 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-88) 10/* The structure of the program */ Removed the limit until I invent a better one < 1403792829 594312 :aretecode!~aretecode@173.192.170.114-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo < 1403793911 243082 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:GermanyBoy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39944&oldid=39937 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+524) 10 < 1403795704 524126 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1403795781 999667 :irene1!~canaima@200.11.146.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403796072 566268 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-199-119.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1403796217 992113 :irene1!~canaima@200.11.146.254 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403796328 841017 :irene1!~canaima@200.11.146.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403796553 632794 :irene1!~canaima@200.11.146.254 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403796730 94284 :^0!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1403797118 321311 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-48-239.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403797337 521249 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403799056 513222 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403799891 829915 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1403801293 904807 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403803185 766258 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403803289 916457 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403803296 2797 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403804438 900598 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403804632 752271 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-138-237.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403804892 162788 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403804955 932711 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403806416 153491 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone got / ever had a Camputers Lynx? I've just been playing with one and it's Basic is depressingly slow. < 1403806452 950594 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1403806467 944289 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1403806569 51836 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Client Quit < 1403806584 470306 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1403806835 300881 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403807199 440949 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic_: How does it compare to the ZX Spectrum in terms of speed? < 1403807899 948204 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, I need to run a proper test. But printing HELLO all over the screen took about 15 seconds. < 1403807916 671630 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's fast at math, but slow at displaying text / graphics. < 1403807928 131437 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try a prime sieve later. < 1403808177 725238 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 seconds is horrible < 1403808270 661634 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIs have the same problem ;) < 1403808283 191601 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your TI Basic Programs have DISPLAY in it it's horribly slower < 1403808320 207288 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A c64 only takes about 2 seconds < 1403808352 23962 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403808352 557086 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403808352 849425 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:Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1403809175 18215 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403809786 70172 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403809809 903387 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403810227 927950 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1403810347 342768 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403810347 525885 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1403810347 526008 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1403810992 628468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal http://goo.gl/nCLlMK you probably recognize the place < 1403810992 811734 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1403810994 695385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Got tired waiting for the planets to align w.r.t. his quite rare visits.) < 1403811000 335839 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403811023 458484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TI Basic is not fast in math either. < 1403811103 122306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only does arithmetics in TI-real numbers, which are these honking 10-byte base-10 BCD-mantissa floats. < 1403811120 562496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus I have it on good authority that them ROM routines for arithmetic on those are not good either. < 1403811157 823906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: the above is correct for TI-86; don't know about other models.) < 1403811211 89803 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1403811341 453446 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth JOIN :#esoteric < 1403811479 502329 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< 1403822556 158627 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a stick, duh < 1403822560 581061 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: uh, a generational GC? < 1403822562 930445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points at the mapole < 1403822603 360475 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: no, I mean that whether it has a reference or not is irrelevant, it will be deleted if it wasn't touched in X time < 1403822613 376663 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1403822614 134267 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is referenced < 1403822617 704420 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed. < 1403822630 499671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has an apple, and shall now bite to test whether it's appealing or appalling. < 1403822656 190215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks good so far < 1403822715 162747 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is mapole? < 1403822752 930370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mapole < 1403822753 708411 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. < 1403822787 387997 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic séo < 1403822822 447490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck mapole < 1403822822 738326 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1403822825 830766 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic séo? < 1403822836 892937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom 1, duck 0 < 1403822863 597255 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: old english for "I see" < 1403822879 815409 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the accent should be macron but my keyb is kinda limited atm < 1403822916 997255 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ǣh :D < 1403824173 717239 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403824284 89811 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403824313 381087 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403824337 597810 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1403824439 366506 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403824641 735342 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403824966 901071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENGM < 1403824967 464906 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENGM 262250Z 00000KT 9999 -RA SCT004 BKN039 10/09 Q1015 < 1403824996 931734 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enigma is at 1.20 < 1403825001 464774 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which apparently has an API change < 1403825043 675340 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that metar stuff < 1403825062 471462 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: it's weather! it's happening now! it involves AIRPLAAAAAAAAAANES! < 1403825076 766763 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :METAsepia meteRology < 1403825103 581590 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KSTL < 1403825104 72930 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSTL 262151Z 10010KT 10SM FEW065 SCT140 BKN250 31/20 A2993 RMK AO2 SLP123 T03060200 $ < 1403825186 993115 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: so you see, it is somewhat windy, ground visibility 10 miles, a few clouds at 6500', scattered clouds at 14,000', broken clouds at 25,000', it's 31 °C, dew point at 20 °C, sea level pressure 1012.3 hPa. < 1403825208 328301 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eww it ships with some song that isn't Pentagonal Dreams < 1403825214 179253 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the rest is US-specific coded stuff (A and T groups), and the “ < 1403825223 443424 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$” at the end means your station neads maintenance.) < 1403825241 163387 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what's enigma? < 1403825261 318369 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nongnu.org/enigma/ < 1403825273 141414 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great game. ais523 is involved somehow < 1403825291 666281 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! that enigma! < 1403825313 112195 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403825682 57099 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you need all that info < 1403825689 524136 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you guys pilots < 1403825761 719704 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. well. it's.. you know, like, people don't think it is like it is, but it do. < 1403825781 85432 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(please! someone! I'm kinda stuck here!) < 1403825920 919051 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403825985 652816 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs... < 1403826035 871929 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fetches a tub of ice cream and drowns his spoon like his sorrows in dairy product < 1403826123 312735 :MSusw!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403826163 930119 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403826165 280547 :MSusw!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1403826506 463004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i don't recommend drowning the whole spoon hth < 1403826671 417336 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I don't drown the whole spoon, because it'd mean my hand would be in ice cream, and ice cream is cold. < 1403826684 711289 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403826686 889098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1403827067 103189 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1403827106 357777 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahoily' < 1403827130 543400 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1403827549 176835 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! < 1403827561 876742 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't like my joke in ##math < 1403827918 323626 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-138-237.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403827938 991355 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come? < 1403827993 496134 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1403828084 437695 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-138-237.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403828182 961141 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-138-237.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403828323 783198 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they are lame and can't apprreciate a good old-fashioned terrible pub < 1403828326 77563 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pun < 1403828350 848324 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, but... what is math for if not for incredebly lame puns? < 1403828388 308600 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-138-237.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403828416 760731 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess to torture countless grade school students until they hate playing with abstract concepts and think math is boring < 1403828510 365160 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are teeth? < 1403828607 946271 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAH! < 1403828628 755511 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed a call from my dentist today, tried to call them back but they didn't answer! < 1403828641 724703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly, a catastrophe < 1403828642 961815 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I need to remember to call them again tomorrow! < 1403828660 818577 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes! it is important! it is tragic! it involves a bite splint! < 1403828668 914011 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only there were a way to record information without having to memorize it. < 1403828681 661320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i no right < 1403828692 189643 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any! it's too complex! LOGIC! AAAAAAAAAAAH! < 1403828696 434249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait *rite < 1403828725 383010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mom was a great believer in lists < 1403828749 920164 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe in trello < 1403828907 863004 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: done anything cool lately? tried any new recipes? < 1403828956 595433 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a batch of tasty pulled pork from my uncle last weekend, so I've been using it in just about everything I eat lately. < 1403828984 925197 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made some killer pork/veggies tuesday night, with some rice. < 1403829033 890791 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for actual achievements... I'm still biking, and pushing myself higher each time :D < 1403829054 91403 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(damned hills! some day, I will vanquish you all!) < 1403829294 653032 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds noteworthy < 1403829304 589892 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't biked in an age or two < 1403829360 318933 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-48-239.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403829364 549993 :douglass!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not that impressed with trello. It's all right I guess. < 1403829455 822320 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-217-75.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403829472 699793 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PART :#esoteric < 1403829521 543023 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck trello < 1403829521 966984 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trello is a free web-based project management application made by Fog Creek Software. < 1403829558 760685 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. I'm sold to redmine myself. < 1403829565 107164 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403830498 248186 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye boily < 1403830553 340268 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :byintopia! < 1403830574 956500 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for some printed weirdness... < 1403830583 86199 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: TESSERACT CHICKEN < 1403830586 970648 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403831436 928437 :MoALTz__!~no@user-109-243-138-237.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403831441 567808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chicken from another dimension < 1403831601 315595 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-138-237.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403832170 932898 :nooodl!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1403832706 934912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1403834686 522066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1403834708 970909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Client Quit < 1403836369 345727 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :Doge7676 < 1403836467 656135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1403836507 701772 :Doge7676!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :v^ < 1403836517 654031 :v^!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1403836581 35409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric < 1403837733 157262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1403838028 250528 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403838238 682898 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Xihcute14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39945&oldid=39916 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+13) 10spelling and links < 1403838397 415022 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Randwork14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39946&oldid=39905 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+52) 10unsigned < 1403838634 837657 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BytePusher II14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39947&oldid=39929 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+51) 10unsigned < 1403839690 845313 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Slide14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39948&oldid=39939 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+185) 10trivium of four < 1403839710 989009 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-138-237.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403839764 44691 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Slide14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39949&oldid=39948 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+5) 10vanquish ambiguity < 1403839862 439835 :MoALTz__!~no@user-109-243-138-237.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 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1403847933 130654 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-138-237.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403847989 677339 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1403848530 322581 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403849678 477192 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^0 < 1403850178 437478 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403851779 118922 :organgbb!~0rgan@d58-111-195-188.riv800.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403851888 132075 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tziuohsushobykdl QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1403851944 763199 :organgbb!~0rgan@d58-111-195-188.riv800.nsw.optusnet.com.au PART :#esoteric < 1403852299 343816 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net QUIT : < 1403854862 361222 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403856927 336969 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403856980 397672 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403858236 244824 :password2_!~password@105.233.36.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403858333 120178 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403858929 106065 :password2_!~password@105.233.36.141 NICK :password2 < 1403859915 325919 :password2!~password@105.233.36.141 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403860699 285070 :password2!~password@105.233.36.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403860945 327270 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403861165 61082 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07~-~!14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39950&oldid=38767 5* 03Jfb 5* (+4) 10/* Functions */ < 1403861237 468223 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403861497 42957 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07~-~!14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39951&oldid=39950 5* 03Jfb 5* (-1) 10/* Functions */ < 1403861824 642761 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07~-~!14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39952&oldid=39951 5* 03Jfb 5* (-2) 10/* Computational class */ < 1403861858 214446 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07~-~!14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39953&oldid=39952 5* 03Jfb 5* (+2) 10/* Computational class */ < 1403862288 369657 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403862288 551946 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1403862377 971038 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39954&oldid=39920 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+411) 10The need for speed? < 1403862492 307510 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403862713 768270 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403862765 538962 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403862765 683131 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1403863071 87780 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1403863379 459719 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero < 1403864017 670392 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1403864378 254413 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403866927 505450 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Slide14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39955&oldid=39893 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+35) 10syntax changes discussed earlier, specify exactly how the halt state works < 1403867405 651726 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1403867434 147585 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: HEXPROOF CHICKEN < 1403868959 968288 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero < 1403869033 21105 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1403869356 331659 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of these esolangs are dumb. but it's worth staying for the rest. < 1403869473 56951 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload, FALSE and Mouse are pretty good... < 1403869954 516631 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1403870655 612846 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403871184 339249 :nooodl!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403871253 581900 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1403872440 500317 :password2!~password@105.233.36.141 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403873559 446433 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403873956 151895 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403874018 693414 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403878617 884508 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :will http://icfpcontest.org/ not have any teasers this year, or is it just too early? < 1403878636 476676 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1403879026 455278 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1403879236 787296 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ByteMover14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39956&oldid=20178 5* 03Javamannen 5* (-1038) 10Keep it simple stupid! < 1403879672 692934 :password2!~password@105.233.36.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403880288 469884 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403880357 564431 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39957&oldid=39954 5* 03Javamannen 5* (-197) 10Preliminary VM specs < 1403881211 446970 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403881211 591557 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1403881211 591700 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1403881342 377916 :nooodl_!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403881524 310574 :nooodl!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403881703 682473 :password2!~password@105.233.36.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403881725 5799 :password2!~password@105.233.36.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403881761 456737 :password2!~password@105.233.36.141 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1403881963 999329 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1403882187 191200 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1403882608 520513 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yaihnpxnrwxxpchf JOIN :#esoteric < 1403882739 837876 :password2!~password@105.233.36.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403883289 523224 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403883991 969103 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1403885019 316561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403885245 476905 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403885448 391021 :^0!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1403888184 931227 :drlemon_!~drlemon@cpe-108-184-244-109.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403888218 533863 :drlemon_!~drlemon@cpe-108-184-244-109.socal.res.rr.com NICK :drlemon < 1403890189 364931 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1403890785 315043 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403891220 474517 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403891702 594657 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403892213 302818 :vifino!~vifino@e180215080.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1403892408 18583 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403893894 402963 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403894129 532749 :password2!~password@105.233.36.141 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403894667 768866 :ejls!~ejls@esimon.eu QUIT :Quit: update < 1403894721 503230 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403895362 708232 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1403895835 621511 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1403896259 506297 :nooodl_!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1403896309 748283 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403896310 695296 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1403896337 737467 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403896338 695641 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1403897555 624542 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1403897562 341136 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403897657 115304 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403897925 387486 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403898028 234326 :vifino!~vifino@e180215080.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1403898137 311758 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eBay just sent me a 75 voucher code to apologise that I had to change my password! < 1403898143 69243 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No catch. 75 to spend on eBay on anything I like :-) < 1403898148 799533 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably worth checking your spam folder (or promotions folder on gmail)... < 1403898153 791516 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buy a hat < 1403898161 474384 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1403898192 7022 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ansskotlvbjscmrj QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403898192 669527 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403898192 669641 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403898194 85164 :barrucadu!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403898202 848004 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some kind of steampunk top hat? < 1403898212 848093 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1403898215 447446 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a hat < 1403898220 392928 :barrucadu!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu JOIN :#esoteric < 1403898242 307692 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A santa hat? < 1403898248 446353 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1403898250 21217 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a hat < 1403898274 452687 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just buy some stuff that I've been after for a while, but the price has always been too high :-) < 1403898285 435394 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some retro computer bits I'd like < 1403898323 315638 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buy a SATA cable < 1403898360 42687 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that what you'd buy? A hat and a SATA cable? < 1403898375 397544 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1403898940 547837 :ggherdov!sid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov JOIN :#esoteric < 1403899008 393318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed my password when they had that password reset "thing" back then, and nobody gave me free money for it. < 1403899012 431367 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-217-75.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403899013 705467 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/shinh/sedlisp/ < 1403899077 850693 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't understand. Compensation for having to change your password sounds a bit crazy to me! < 1403899107 351730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic_: Yeah, but there's an official-eBay-person-marked reply about it at http://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/eBay-Password-Change-Discussion/ive-got-a-75-pound-off-voucher-form-ebay-for-the-trouble-with/m-p/3333293 < 1403899127 444487 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-56-44.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403899242 443144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like a really strange thing to pay random amounts of money to random people, given that they asked everyone to do the password reset. < 1403899318 751561 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not random, I'm chosen! < 1403899326 962445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you are a "valued customer". < 1403899383 358288 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems strange. I assume there's some logic to it. Would've been better to give everyone the save, 5 or something (or even just save 5 when you spend 20). < 1403899517 366797 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giving a few people 75 will just annoy everyone else... < 1403899630 733646 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403900174 283320 :ejls!~ejls@esimon.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1403900475 744168 :ggherdov!sid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov QUIT :Changing host < 1403900475 908062 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pcoyhnhbvrwnyqbp JOIN :#esoteric < 1403901645 927496 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403902057 672599 :jj2baile!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1403902350 325761 :jj2baile_!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403902457 707302 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1403902785 38962 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403903149 725998 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403903150 709079 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1403903177 734764 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403903317 461900 :nooodl_!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403903369 909153 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1403903377 474864 :vifino!~vifino@e180215080.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1403903455 846002 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403903516 781856 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403903537 441691 :nooodl!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403903544 363082 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403904076 542501 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-56-44.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403904188 524487 :MSusw!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403904199 126094 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403904264 135767 :clog_!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1403904375 970248 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu NICK :b_jonas < 1403904388 611831 :newsham_!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403904704 129848 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pcoyhnhbvrwnyqbp QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403904704 946725 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403904705 157106 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403904706 673183 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403904706 829852 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403904706 974276 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403904707 528788 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1403905308 105675 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403905477 700011 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403905664 153169 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, someone said something to me past the scrollback < 1403906396 33203 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403906884 309648 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403907066 322473 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403907078 917979 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403907116 401824 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: could it have been 17:45 < HackEgo> 800) <olsner> it's not completely obvious since the displayed nick lengths are rounded to the closest integer < 1403907144 46558 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403907150 575165 :hexagonest!9c223f87@gateway/web/freenode/ip.156.34.63.135 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403907154 453889 :hexagonest!9c223f87@gateway/web/freenode/ip.156.34.63.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1403907164 135016 :hexagonest!9c223f87@gateway/web/freenode/ip.156.34.63.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to know how to create an esoteric language? < 1403907210 628589 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloxagonest! < 1403907235 354251 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you visited the wiki? did you find any esolang that strike your fancy? < 1403907238 366698 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexagonello :-) < 1403907258 272625 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome hexagonest < 1403907259 364656 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08hexagonest: 09Welcome 02to 06the 13international 04hub 07for 08esoteric 09programming 02language 06design 13and 04deployment! 07For 08more 09information, 02check 06out 13our 04wiki: 07<http://esolangs.org/>. 08(For 09the 02other 06kind 13of 04esoterica, 07try 08#esoteric 09on 02irc.dal.net.) < 1403907304 593739 :hexagonest!9c223f87@gateway/web/freenode/ip.156.34.63.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha hello weveryone < 1403907335 125765 :hexagonest!9c223f87@gateway/web/freenode/ip.156.34.63.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really but i do have a good idea where it's basically only words < 1403907363 206720 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write a spec, then add it to the wiki. < 1403907393 135675 :hexagonest!9c223f87@gateway/web/freenode/ip.156.34.63.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a spec? < 1403907684 215169 :hexagonest!9c223f87@gateway/web/freenode/ip.156.34.63.135 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1403907760 404566 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403907787 511505 :vifino!~vifino@e180215080.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403907823 143509 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403907924 759846 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: could be < 1403907978 873203 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403908005 213962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1403908147 939151 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403908200 309469 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1403908344 340415 :nooodl!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403908512 493030 :nooodl_!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1403909544 658505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1403909851 302373 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1403910457 802742 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1403910500 843476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode � < 1403910517 88076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of _course_ it'd be gone. < 1403910545 614360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION peeks wishfully at fizzie  < 1403910547 527244 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403910597 408874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd peek at Gregor`` if i thought it helped. < 1403910636 333669 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403911179 120806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can some kinds of one-dimensional convolution filters be optimized? I would think so, for example if the convolution function is a nonzero value for a certain range and zero everywhere else, you can add, buffer, and subtract it back out whatever is at the other end of the buffer, I think. But if it is exponential function then you can just decay previous value by half and add the input value. < 1403911329 434804 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't "convolution filters" cover everything linear? i imagine you can do plenty there... < 1403911602 326018 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403911750 407864 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403912517 461004 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1403912958 924474 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403913242 89552 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403913927 321707 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403913979 954925 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403914245 144323 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: LOBSTER CHICKEN < 1403914634 164767 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1403915093 623952 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1403915923 837014 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403916409 30967 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1403916537 80726 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403916811 151489 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403917073 697468 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1403917188 331043 :nooodl!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1403917634 805239 :ggherdov_!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zqsnhetpramfcise JOIN :#esoteric < 1403917838 500097 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403918034 365979 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1403918112 659647 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403920757 5935 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403921875 931298 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403922776 45729 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403924377 929462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like AmigaMML, or do you hate it, or not? < 1403924603 916384 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think that e.g. pointwise multiplication is a linear filter that isn't a convolution filter. < 1403924628 224704 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear time invariant, then? < 1403924646 398640 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think every non-pathological linear time-invariant filter would have to be a convolution filter. < 1403924658 67593 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you apply it to the Dirac delta function, that tells you the kernel. < 1403924690 895504 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTI_system_theory#Overview right, ok. < 1403924702 681728 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been attempting to learn this stuff, but from a book instead of a class, so < 1403924765 910646 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :convolution is basically like how generalized functions work, isn't it. huh < 1403924922 755588 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? < 1403924967 37820 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't generalized functions the dual of the vector space of smooth functions with bounded support, or something? < 1403925083 761488 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such that the dot product of a SFBS and a generalized function is effectively the integral of a pointwise product? < 1403925093 394955 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but you get that by defining the inner product as the integral of the product of bla bla bla < 1403925122 775169 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you say every linear operator is an inner product with some fixed thingie, but the fixed thingie might be something like dirac < 1403925156 588324 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something. < 1403925185 493901 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just glad to know there's some version of generalized functions that isn't a ridiculous hack. learning math from engineering texts is worrying, worrying < 1403925212 495620 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where'd you get your definition of a generalized function? < 1403925252 154997 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403925298 722588 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kolmogorov's intro to real analysis (not the engineering book) < 1403925386 86632 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATWP, "The vector space D′(U) is the continuous dual space of D(U) equipped with the weak-* topology". < 1403925395 526724 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"atwp" is unknown to me < 1403925402 356700 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Wikipedia. < 1403925413 777470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? atwp < 1403925418 311557 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, your definition probably subsumes my understanding < 1403925418 994791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1403925428 764705 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just like having things be concrete in some fashion < 1403925470 70576 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the section on the weak topology is right before this, i just haven't absorbed the whole thing < 1403925480 367281 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403926014 694273 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403926891 678686 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Quit: tswett < 1403927111 42331 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT : < 1403928449 326931 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1403929519 351479 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1403931325 499164 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1403931443 58471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I am adding many new feature into AmigaMML, such as: auto-portamento, increased maximum length of sample data (including for use with PADsynth), Karplus-Strong, a few bug-fix, and an alternative way to calculate beats-per-minute. < 1403931688 288067 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yaihnpxnrwxxpchf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1403932409 298075 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403933017 520804 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1403934570 430544 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403935552 618118 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net QUIT : < 1403935685 982323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1403935756 496095 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When Rust stabilizes, is it likely to at least catch up to Go in terms of library support? < 1403935820 96796 :MSusw!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When Rust stabalises it'll be a survival video game. < 1403935822 860671 :MSusw!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1403935865 221553 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop stealing that joke. < 1403935874 95850 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I try that game? < 1403935895 765773 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you want to < 1403935914 750905 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on my wishlist for the day when it gets more complete and cheaper < 1403935950 8260 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This does not give me confidence in the Go ecosystem: http://technosophos.com/2014/06/27/saved-by-the-bug.html < 1403936285 83129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be the operation of each rule of linear logic in a system similar to the Gentzen esolang system I have made up? < 1403936655 263174 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^0 < 1403937322 878916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :An idea for a variant of poker game is that you play with spread-limit before the flop and you play with pot-limit after. Would it work? < 1403938810 947893 :password2!~password@105.233.36.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403940325 480467 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1403942084 41525 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403942206 935530 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403942354 885004 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-57.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403943366 819408 :password2!~password@105.233.36.141 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403944101 500908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: happy oerjan++ < 1403944492 210426 :ket1v!~ket1v@1.131.78.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403944849 146309 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, is it oerjanday? < 1403945078 963035 :ket1v!~ket1v@1.131.78.53 QUIT : < 1403945111 668267 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I don't know much about Go at all < 1403945116 295636 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is its library support like? < 1403945147 612756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: not sure < 1403946418 425950 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1403947431 351914 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403948175 609482 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1403948399 303105 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403948612 29289 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-57.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403951200 963611 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403951387 746896 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403951398 126689 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1403952373 895902 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403952678 291418 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1403954185 80101 :Aetherspawn-!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hnoebgrlceqzaxkq JOIN :#esoteric < 1403955644 4185 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403956564 274330 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've added fingerprint support to my Funge-98 interpreter :P < 1403957713 584759 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1403957981 659437 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-26.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1403958011 797515 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1403958018 288596 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-26.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1403958018 519547 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1403958149 121894 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403958639 248062 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: VACUUM CHICKEN < 1403960412 116405 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1403961366 713431 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1403961660 654447 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1403963979 367934 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403965243 505186 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-75-142.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1403965365 882439 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a good data structure to use in haskell to store a 2d grid on which i want to make only reads after generation? < 1403965464 519321 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be even more specific: i only want to access fields around the last selected field. don't know if that matters < 1403965928 952428 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :use an array? < 1403966059 561548 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, have to take a look, never used arrays in haskell :D < 1403966077 532095 :Aetherspawn-!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hnoebgrlceqzaxkq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1403966704 592004 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403966972 711105 :^0!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1403967015 822721 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: RELAPSED CHICKEN < 1403967729 746701 :^0!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403967738 238946 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-azppoqbszjlntgrd JOIN :#esoteric < 1403967776 922759 :^0!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1403968234 812528 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1403969054 933154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (956) < 1403969069 842439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1403969080 803795 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1403969174 225603 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403969177 650414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (956) < 1403969178 303385 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (956): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1403970063 171126 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403970081 727786 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403971108 311966 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1403971758 348910 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403971889 113652 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403972073 528178 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403972239 493863 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403972789 480856 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403972948 57280 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1403974482 474584 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1403976593 810353 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo seems to be dead again < 1403976781 48986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Thanks! < 1403977228 120217 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is also dead :/ < 1403977328 931082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1403977332 203253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things are a bad. < 1403977354 380859 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403977360 911744 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( should I evacuate lambdabot from the channel, just to be safe? ) < 1403977381 103281 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unfortunate timing) < 1403977383 703967 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1403977468 104577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what's up with HackEgo not rejoining the channel these days. There's a thing that's supposed to do it if it dies. Though it has hardwired 10-second sleep before it sends the JOIN, so maybe there's some new (identd-related?) timeout thing or something. < 1403977570 511546 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you running hackego now? < 1403977668 293773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just have administrative suppositories, I mean, powers, on the server it runs on, since it's the same box that serves the wiki. < 1403977678 533504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've been doing these small fixups as a public service. < 1403977704 35872 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, very good < 1403978252 779529 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1403978256 577732 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does it actually die though? < 1403978337 248527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I haven't looked. But it should if the TCP connection to the server closes. < 1403978372 842111 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: when I took over, lambdabot would occasionally end up with a one-sided tcp connection, waiting for messages from the IRC server which would never arrive. I solved this by having it send PINGs to detect this scenario. < 1403978396 792692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it wouldn't have come back to IRC if it were waiting on that. < 1403978406 624364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think multibot maybe does send pings. < 1403978416 644828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know too much about the thing, since it's not my thing. < 1403978457 278964 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It runs inside a while true; do socat TCP4:irc.freenode.net:6667 EXEC:'./multibot ...' &; sleep 10; echo 'JOIN ...' | socat ...; wait; done kinda thing. < 1403978458 590939 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just an idea, because it took me a while to figure that one out. < 1403978463 64784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, time for a sauna. -> < 1403979821 216306 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403980024 8276 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1403980817 325158 :vifino!~vifino@e181193072.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1403981966 973250 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1403981989 980755 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1403982040 132686 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403982427 468964 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403982495 6333 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403982514 753893 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403982869 515133 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403982975 818146 :Mathnerd626!~quassel@dsl-206-53-27-58.den.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403983788 994769 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1403983801 507401 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :trees < 1403983832 458305 :trees!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1403984062 896730 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function < 1403984824 412175 :vifino!~vifino@e181193072.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1403985255 33307 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: COSMIC CHICKEN < 1403985256 705274 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403985489 118759 :function!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1403985520 129261 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty fizzie < 1403985808 355679 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1403985893 16808 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net QUIT : < 1403986406 14032 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1403986454 468482 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403986519 352859 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-19405.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1403988899 938582 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403989723 944813 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1403990388 366307 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1403990397 537297 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1403990809 308440 :nooodl!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1403991417 508435 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403991437 480201 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1403992408 512170 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403992413 422652 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403992510 370158 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: irc2go < 1403993711 671921 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1403994326 101352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1403994357 508823 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1403994381 491195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why thank you! < 1403994387 431566 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1403994407 551652 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1403994555 483460 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1403995098 696407 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403995111 842394 :nooodl!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1403995331 70575 :ejls!~ejls@esimon.eu QUIT :Quit: bye < 1403995931 50985 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403996010 24260 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403996010 207615 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1403996070 885438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have idea another way to combine a chess game with a poker game. This is not a FIDE chess game, but is a bit difference. You can make the move with each poker hand dealt. You can drop pieces back onto the board like in shogi. There can be dueling like in Sirlin's chess, but using the poker chips. < 1403996140 925860 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you drop piece onto the board, stand it up so your opponent cannot see what kind of piece it is; they have to guess, and if they guessed correctly they can take some of your poker chips but if they guessed wrong then you take their poker chips. Also some squares on the board can be labeled with poker hands and suits, and if you drop it on there, then when the cards are revealed, then if you have it you win some poker chips if you don't have it < 1403996186 416429 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403996213 698206 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1403996365 706662 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1403996376 769436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just noticed oots had an upgrade in drawing style at comic 947 < 1403996419 334814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now their hands are still sticky-like, but they are _flesh-colored_. and other little details. < 1403996419 928785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just now? < 1403996440 398117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :People have been complaining about it for weeks. < 1403996443 50662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i was zooming the newest comic, made it really obvious :P < 1403996488 614872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My sister says she can't bear to look at the comic anymore. She just reads the text or something. < 1403996496 117715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1403996508 732216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what I've always done anyway. < 1403996701 328528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i like the new style. < 1403996716 520339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume his secret plan is that the finale will be photorealistic hth < 1403996899 724528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can copy the text then it can also perhaps be reformatted to fit the screen/paper, font size, etc, and if it can avoid to download the picture, and save disk space. < 1403997107 640569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many dimensions is the most amount that Fourier transform is sometimes used with? < 1403997240 412604 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 2, if you're doing image compression or stuff. < 1403997272 342057 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are probably weird people out there with a transform fetish applying it so some arbitrary high dimensions...) < 1403997315 57541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it applies to an arbitrary locally compact abelian group, of which all R^n and Z^n are examples. < 1403997356 966480 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to see if you can then extend the PADsynth algorithm to two, three, or even four dimensions. < 1403997365 509339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although R^n have the particular property that the dual group, in which the result lives, is isomorphic) < 1403997403 304982 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-22-85.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1403997410 771910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know how the results would appear to be. < 1403997445 39730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Z^n are dual to T^n where T is the complex unit circle under multiplication) < 1403997488 907616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If doing PADsynth in three dimensions, you could get a animated tiled picture, although I am not sure what it would look like. (Doing so would also need to use higher dimensional Gaussian distributions.) < 1403997757 467175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right gaussians are mapped to gaussians. that may not have been mentioned in the harmonic analysis course i took. < 1403998231 91950 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1403998896 906638 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net QUIT : < 1403998944 884994 :ejls!~ejls@esimon.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1403999002 666311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PADsynth uses gaussian distributions with random data for phases. < 1403999048 950102 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39959&oldid=39958 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+238) 10an evil layout epiphany < 1403999839 340072 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-22-85.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1403999893 478553 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1404004822 293045 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404005709 807457 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1404006197 312648 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404006354 783618 :diginet_!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Quit: diginet has quit! < 1404006390 322657 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1404006405 298573 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404007157 171639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh darn. i edited wikipedia's esoteric programming language article to update the links to the wiki and User:Agyle took it as an opportunity to go on a general deletion massacre against the wiki and other community links. (did you know: our wiki is neither a reliable source, nor mentioned in any?) < 1404007346 647425 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-26.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1404007347 512086 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404007385 958726 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-26.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1404007386 139737 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1404007564 83281 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: iirc there is plenty of precedent for linking to established community wikis, though not as a source < 1404007709 334052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the bastard also removed the _entire_ section about the existence of a community. < 1404007934 148966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: e is presumably referring to point 12 in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links#Links_normally_to_be_avoided < 1404008074 830724 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, people will find the wiki anyhow < 1404008083 692888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WANNA BET < 1404008098 749235 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our wiki may be a reliable source for some things and may link to some reliable sources. < 1404008121 289373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the best kind of reliable source, but for some things it works. < 1404008142 359091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's a technical wikipedia term. < 1404008175 509078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which causes madness if you try to compare it with the colloquial meaning. < 1404008179 942108 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway twke it to the talk page I guess (it'll be tedious) < 1404008185 668414 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*take < 1404008200 479389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does Wikipedia consider to be reliable then? < 1404008221 928393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't it depend on what you are looking for, and on how many sources there are for something? < 1404008293 857337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"should" and "wikipedia policy" are not well correlated concepts hth < 1404008364 822592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i cannot bear that kind of arguing. < 1404008390 595030 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto < 1404008687 406762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead i passive-aggressively https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Agyle&diff=614833601&oldid=614551499 < 1404008786 639453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that really all that passive < 1404008798 112990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that * turned into a bullet fo a bulleted list < 1404008801 48507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno. what's the exact definition. < 1404008809 451825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realized that a second too late, shachaf < 1404008823 190724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think editing it now would be even more pathetic :P < 1404008939 736298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also stupid things are subject to muphry's law. just look at how long it took me to do the edits yesterday that provoked this. < 1404009788 604029 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1404010066 665381 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404011483 299760 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :puts on his tin foil hat < 1404011642 184921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you stay away from the wizard robe < 1404012318 542620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me if you found any more mistakes in AmigaMML program, in amigasam, or feature requests, and/or anything unclear/incorrect in the provided documentation. < 1404012825 909996 :Mathnerd626!~quassel@dsl-206-53-27-58.den.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404012895 105932 :Mathnerd626!~quassel@dsl-206-53-27-58.den.pcisys.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404013071 903983 :Mathnerd626!~quassel@dsl-206-53-27-58.den.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404013182 118140 :Gregor``!dlopen@libdl.so NICK :Gregor < 1404013863 554058 :Mathnerd626!~quassel@dsl-206-53-27-58.den.pcisys.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404014411 603534 :Mathnerd626!~quassel@dsl-206-53-27-58.den.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404014596 356800 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Javamannen 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:CHIP16 controller.png10]]": Taken from the Machine Specification for CHIP-16. https://github.com/chip16/chip16/wiki/Machine-Specification < 1404014712 849951 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that smells like non-pd content < 1404014969 418493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is smelling like non-pd content? < 1404015274 901948 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the image < 1404015336 510101 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think zzo has wiki updates blocked. < 1404015437 405497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the LICENSE file for the repository is GPL 3, and i can find no other license for the wiki part. < 1404015455 48466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What repository? < 1404015468 238629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the one in HackEgo's announcement < 1404015484 518945 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What announcement? < 1404015510 299621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some announcements blocked. < 1404015513 89848 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:02 < HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Javamannen * uploaded "[[File:CHIP16 controller.png]]": Taken from the Machine Specification for CHIP-16. https://github.com/chip16/chip16/wiki/Machine-Specification < 1404015538 815049 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully you aren't just blocking .*[wiki].* or something, i guess < 1404015585 390271 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not just blocking .*[wiki].* < 1404015604 616839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The exact specification of the filter I am using is: <1> i /:HackEgo![^ ]* PRIVMSG #esoteric :\[wiki\]/i < 1404015644 19018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see the picture now; it has one extra dot it look like. < 1404015651 865802 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use ignore rules then the reasonable bursen is on you to use logs or whatever to see stuff you missed, since it's a personal thing < 1404015662 677885 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10deleted "[[02File:CHIP16 controller.png10]]": Copyright violation: As far as I can see, the repository that is from is GPL 3 < 1404015674 530169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose so < 1404015697 511097 :Mathnerd626!~quassel@dsl-206-53-27-58.den.pcisys.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404015702 237479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if you are referencing something on the wiki you should specify what you are referencing anyways though < 1404015742 579186 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the buttons are different order from the Famicom order; you could use Famicom order instead, which is: A, B, Select, Start, Up, Down, Left, Right. < 1404015745 628270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: repeating information that was said on the previous irc line is a little silly < 1404015821 806876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i deleted it, anyway < 1404015831 186991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, unless you are trying to clarify something, of course. Because there can be a lot of people and messages on the IRC, it can sometimes be unclear, until you read it a second time < 1404015863 626713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we allowed to post messages on the talk page of a deleted file in wiki? < 1404015901 494928 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but I'll ban you (not really) < 1404015953 669838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is, I mean if the messages being posted will not have any copyright violations, can it be posted OK?) < 1404015971 863489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1404016024 263727 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404016203 500408 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404016508 740491 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07File talk:CHIP16 controller.png14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39961 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+819) 10Created page with "This file was deleted, due to copyright violation (please post only public domain files here) (also the picture seem to have one extra dot). I can perhaps also suggest that yo..." < 1404016553 968306 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made ASCII version is it better? < 1404016698 849867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope so < 1404016851 33335 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net QUIT : < 1404017116 830303 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: upon actually viewing the image, I suspect it is likely uncopyrightable < 1404017138 249035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1404017192 208788 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is a very simple, non-artistic arrangement of geometric shapes and digits < 1404017214 487982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the github code says it was from http://imgur.com/ExCAKZo btw < 1404017232 393485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that that helps < 1404017255 141977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well if you're sure go ahead and restore it >:) < 1404017278 412529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Probably you are correct, I think, although I made ASCII version anyways in case it help more. < 1404017319 94454 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, the wiki is no longer my legal liability :P < 1404017320 784594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ASCII version include text labels as well as numeric, in the order they are found in Famicom, GameBoy, NES, etc) < 1404017325 529849 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :however the image is ugly < 1404017331 793763 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should just remake it. < 1404017343 386459 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess ASCII is fine. < 1404017360 367252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it's not mine either hth < 1404019450 872063 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Send a description of the image to someone who hasn't seen the original so they can clean room reverse egnineer it? < 1404019477 908047 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um what if the description is copyrighted, < 1404019533 383852 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't use the original description, just make a new one based on looking at the chart? < 1404019557 626878 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the chart is copyrighted! < 1404019597 771632 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, that's why you send a desciption of it. < 1404019626 408869 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess to be sure you'd need the lawyer times. < 1404019661 653932 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not someone who just looked at the WIkipedia article on clean room reverse engineering for a bit. < 1404019716 518716 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd look at the article but it may also be copyrighted < 1404019768 246391 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION copyrights the word "copyright". < 1404019998 554998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION patents MDream < 1404020036 724043 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wel at least that expires after 20 years. < 1404020058 288877 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Slide14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39962&oldid=39949 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+319) 10 < 1404020275 767462 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1404020475 250018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the probability of winning/losing/draw at a chess game if moves are selected at random using uniform probabilities for each legal move, and no draws are used except for lack of legal moves and infinity of future is necessary? < 1404020513 398331 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404020525 967272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Promotion counts as four possible moves, so it is four times as likely as another move.) < 1404020582 970216 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07File talk:CHIP16 controller.png14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39963&oldid=39961 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+171) 10Sorry for the copyright violation, and thanks for the tip! < 1404020992 727199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that sounds like the thing you could estimate by repeating it enough times, but which would likely be exponentially hard to calculate exactly < 1404020999 310725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kind of thing < 1404021023 232845 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And both players are playing like this, or? < 1404021065 229149 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, it applies to both players. (Presumably, you do not actually play chess like this; it is entirely hypothetical.) < 1404021116 290391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I believe you. Perhaps it is easier if a variant with smaller board and less pieces? < 1404021293 778880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure. exponentially hard also become easy if the instance is small enough. < 1404021298 607066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*becomes < 1404021364 9863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that it is possible to make up the "1 L" rule of linear logic out of the cut rule and "1 R" rule. < 1404021514 678659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There is the similar thing with the rules for bottom, too) < 1404021540 169886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"for every polynomial-time algorithm you have, there is an exponential algorithm that I would rather run" -- alan perlis, as quoted by dick lipton < 1404021673 535268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why do they have that? < 1404021770 483751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because exponential doesn't mean _always_ slower, presumably < 1404021799 505057 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get some serious approximations out to many decimals using taylor and mclaren series < 1404021845 275894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :redryder: for zzo38's problem? i doubt it. < 1404021866 739049 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT ABOUT AN ORTHONORMAL BASIS OF BESSEL FUNCTIONS < 1404021911 136985 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :besssel function, what are you trying to do build a nuclear reactor? lol < 1404021914 100723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the structure of legal moves is too complex to turn into an efficient formula < 1404021916 220544 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-139-14.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404021978 121519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :redryder: what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? < 1404021984 264185 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : there are planets where the atmosphere is so dense, you can look straight forward and see the back of your own head < 1404022001 716882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait was redryder someone's bot < 1404022038 49668 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that esotericly rich < 1404022049 931593 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like bs < 1404022084 221048 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1404022084 498046 NAMES :#esoteric < 1404022109 328743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*redryder@*.nwrknj.east.verizon.net > 1404022109 350819 NAMES :#esoteric < 1404022109 513945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric redryder :You are annoying and speaking nonsense < 1404022112 71495 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird. < 1404022116 533598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1404022116 555585 NAMES :#esoteric < 1404022241 650489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, failing the turing test < 1404022455 551350 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404022493 778226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: my default assumption is a rude chatbot... < 1404022509 555669 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not complaining. < 1404022552 504695 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39964&oldid=39957 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+530) 10 < 1404022571 30155 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^0 < 1404023072 711836 :^0!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404023237 510233 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1404023396 694963 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404023413 8863 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^0 < 1404023659 756969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1404024472 560396 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404025680 517596 :Guest42564!skarn@binary.firrre.com QUIT :Changing host < 1404025680 662001 :Guest42564!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1404025732 417993 :Guest42564!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn NICK :skarn < 1404026101 690141 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39965&oldid=39964 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+12) 1060 MIPS overkill? < 1404026529 269952 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT : < 1404026639 957276 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404027569 157703 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session QUIT :Changing host < 1404027569 354001 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rrolfgrdekjqkwyw JOIN :#esoteric < 1404027603 241302 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/session QUIT :Changing host < 1404027603 400004 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-kdsskvtxotvrqbpb JOIN :#esoteric < 1404029204 984961 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1404029506 553394 :ket1v!~ket1v@1.131.85.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404029611 648826 :ket1v!~ket1v@1.131.85.3 QUIT :Client Quit < 1404030088 422555 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rrolfgrdekjqkwyw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1404030292 255286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it was a person pretending it's a bot pretending it's a person. < 1404030411 673137 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goooooood morning < 1404030450 261496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could a programming language be made for testing random number generator quality and calculating probabilities and distributions, as follows: Have one "$" instruction for "toss coin", which can split a program into two states with half a probability. There is a finite states subset, and when not used it can cancel any probability which is "too small", otherwise it can calculate exact probabilities even in case of infinite loop sometimes. < 1404030504 759993 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39966&oldid=39959 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+0) 10/* Structures */ corrected name < 1404031506 428151 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39967&oldid=39966 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+470) 10/* Indentation rules */ < 1404031977 899654 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:SYCPOL14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39968 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+1550) 10Created page with "Another idea would be to fix it so that it will work even if the cards are placed in the wrong order. Such as, the division and/or section, and what it belongs to, must be men..." < 1404033296 259031 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-139-14.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404033737 910678 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Braktif14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39969&oldid=19938 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+1065) 10/* Turing complete etc */ new section < 1404034486 520669 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404034713 461958 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1404035017 528899 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1404035122 917991 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404035123 206757 :Guest98832!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404035251 953287 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Processor/114]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39970&oldid=13660 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+26) 10Killed by DynDNS < 1404035469 562985 :nooodl!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404035812 996099 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1404035929 515689 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404035982 578460 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404036231 39088 :kyhwana_!kyhwana@snowleopard.kyhwana.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1404036247 436262 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404036386 785001 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404036386 929821 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404036548 819704 :kyhwana!kyhwana@snowleopard.kyhwana.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404036549 213861 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT 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1404044922 430750 :nortti_!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1404045281 496786 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404045288 290662 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404045311 347276 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404046504 887706 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404047108 847627 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404047304 844841 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404048270 327871 :Mathnerd626!~quassel@dsl-206-53-27-58.den.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404048721 50196 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39971&oldid=39968 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+1110) 10 < 1404048824 450935 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404049231 323473 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1404051018 322756 :Mathnerd626!~quassel@dsl-206-53-27-58.den.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404051187 852583 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MINIM CHICKEN < 1404051190 897398 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404051595 533291 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Slide14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39972&oldid=39962 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+297) 10 < 1404052588 257726 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404053205 773454 :^0!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1404055618 729542 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404056107 551022 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404056363 739030 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404057062 466692 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404057303 422369 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404058829 621690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh, computers. My (USB, wired) keyboard does not work in the GRUB menu if a (USB) Bluetooth dongle is plugged in at boot time. < 1404058870 425781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :BIOS 1 : fizzie 0. < 1404058925 184883 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they on the same USB bus? how much power does the Bluetooth dongle claim? Is there any left for the keyboard afterwards? < 1404059611 237457 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1404060697 251903 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see that as "Machines 1 : Humans 0" < 1404060995 188902 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what two states? < 1404061724 217474 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Head and tails, of course. < 1404061761 670058 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404061883 866962 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the downside of Data.Vector as opposed to Data.Array? < 1404062060 334662 :Mathnerd626!~quassel@dsl-206-53-27-58.den.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404062268 802802 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one dimensional only < 1404062279 331201 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, fuck < 1404062300 747141 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't get arrays yet < 1404062340 836786 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vector is nice < 1404062347 618055 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just nest them. < 1404062369 6154 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do index arithmetic manually < 1404062402 732403 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i do a fromList (map fromList foo) to turn [[a]] into a twodimensional vector? < 1404062432 760680 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a vector of vectors, isn't it < 1404062434 108304 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, though index arithmetic might be nicer < 1404062438 180381 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since less indirection < 1404062454 119100 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it really matter? < 1404062454 592356 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that klist is square < 1404062457 573802 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*list < 1404062462 372825 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1404062467 829009 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually does not have to be < 1404062475 281424 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then nest vectors < 1404062481 249570 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can force it, but i don't want to if i don't have to < 1404062487 21544 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but indirection is expensive, locality is nice, caching, etc. < 1404062496 223962 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i see < 1404062513 451711 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, even without that it should be way faster than [[a]] < 1404062523 29357 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you storing? < 1404062533 732108 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a rail programm < 1404062561 476478 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. some plaintext < 1404062564 825406 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HashMap (Int,Int) is underrated, also < 1404062580 540203 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1404062615 523605 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rail has a lot of blank space, doesn't it? maybe a hash map would be better. < 1404062622 779209 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something based on the actual graph, maybe < 1404062645 107133 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta lead the way towards esolang JITs < 1404062665 274207 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to access the cell at the current instruction pointer position < 1404062669 578425 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HashMap is nice because you can update it with less overhead < 1404062671 648039 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like the most used operation < 1404062679 525420 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :less copying < 1404062687 161193 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rail programms won't be updated once created < 1404062755 842964 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then try vector and HashMap and see which you like more :) < 1404062768 319380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: A bit late, but the keyboard seemed to work post-boot. And the keyboard was in a (passive) hub connected to one of the back-of-the-box ports, while the USB dongle was in one of the front USB ports, but who knows how those are connected. < 1404062781 752487 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably want a boxed vector of unboxed vectors < 1404062783 827244 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know maps < 1404062789 557310 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might get a little confusing < 1404062797 486395 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is hashmap faster at accessing than map? < 1404062815 231809 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HashMap is faster at almost everything < 1404062840 896041 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they reasonably cheap to update? < 1404062909 412665 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1404062918 510600 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds perfect < 1404062923 908922 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lsusb can be used to find out < 1404062944 138232 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but as you describe it it sounds like a bug :) < 1404062977 858987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: The same system has trouble booting at all if I forget the USB card reader (with a SD card from the camera) connected. < 1404063016 143807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I second Bike's suggestion about "something based on the actual graph", since I guess Rail doesn't do self-modification? < 1404063056 449539 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be tricky for an dedicated rail editor < 1404063067 283379 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: you just said it won't be updated... < 1404063070 314093 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashmap is pretty easy to adapt for that manner < 1404063078 235662 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i am thinking ahead! < 1404063114 958851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A thinking head thinks ahead. < 1404063144 82134 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any advantage of Map instead of HashMap? < 1404063154 397414 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, why is there even a Map? < 1404063168 701561 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404063176 287020 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes by order not hash < 1404063186 349335 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can do more efficient queries based on key order < 1404063195 835171 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HashMap is mostly just newer though. < 1404063344 965575 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does HashMap has O(1) access? < 1404063354 510807 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404063435 562564 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1404063443 373018 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is log < 1404063446 740717 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason you can't make a structure editor maaaaan < 1404063480 981457 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that may be true, but it makes things a lot harder < 1404063482 675963 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need O(1) though probably < 1404063503 711058 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw O(1) access and update are incompatible (for a persistent structure) < 1404063507 838702 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've already spent like half an hour wondering how to do text most efficiently. less thinking more making shit up < 1404063545 839 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: we profiled our code and the most time is spent looking up characters < 1404063554 103794 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think it's fair to work at this < 1404063562 935402 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that would completely disappear with a graph. bam. < 1404063572 526732 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1404063591 623692 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the code that looks up actually makes a graph out of the code < 1404063599 908738 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the rail code) < 1404063657 577949 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why is this in haskell instead of self-hosting, you terrible person < 1404063683 68232 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was not my choice < 1404063689 257424 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had to do haskell or c++ < 1404063702 287178 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i obviously chose haskell! < 1404063726 621457 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/choice/decission/ < 1404064414 611911 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, i don't have any efficient way of getting the "size" of a hashmap, have i? (or any reasonable upper bound) < 1404064501 233156 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the size function? < 1404064513 2743 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is O(1) Ivthink. < 1404064518 448691 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect! < 1404064619 994729 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i just have to write a function to convert that < 1404064899 833182 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1404065045 900523 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-75-142.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404065219 514447 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-75-142.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404065582 853924 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :extracting something from the first line gets trickier, though < 1404065590 884985 :Sgeo_!~quassel@68.194.223.12 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404065601 471508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have a Redmine program for AmigaMML. < 1404065620 338308 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i am not even surprised anymore < 1404065838 633489 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: a nested hashmap works too < 1404065936 447279 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think (Int, Int) is fine, this is one corner case that only gets done once per function < 1404066569 155650 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404066605 450307 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i will change to nested hashmaps < 1404066678 717112 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IntMap is also a thing but I think HashMap is faster. < 1404066704 909056 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though IntMap can do some specialised optiona faster, like Map < 1404066711 413429 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*operations < 1404067481 894885 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange thing there is no [a] -> IntMap a < 1404067511 845254 :Mathnerd626!~quassel@dsl-206-53-27-58.den.pcisys.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404067602 191578 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fromList . zip [0..] < 1404067614 86482 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1404067616 767641 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1404067620 504421 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should've thought of that < 1404067629 657939 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i barely use zip < 1404067698 968081 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you should probably use HashMap < 1404067705 365448 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1404067720 612738 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's faster than IntMap on the usual operations, unless that changed < 1404067737 803246 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's strange < 1404067756 583574 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HashMap should he yiur default map structure unkess you know why you'd need something else. < 1404067762 605179 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I can't type. < 1404068446 330056 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404068593 251122 :nooodl_!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1404069475 803931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me if there is anything unclear or any lies in the documentation? https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/attachments/download/353/amigamml.doc (it is a plain text, not Microsoft Word format) < 1404070048 407973 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys < 1404070077 891947 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a Befunge-98 interpreter :D < 1404070080 992153 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/TieSoul/befunge/blob/master/befunge-exec.py < 1404070090 324734 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't < 1404070090 670539 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beware: Bad code. < 1404070162 248349 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume toList from HashMap Int Char gives no guarantee whatsoever of ordering < 1404070172 986034 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I forgot to change a few things when refactoring < 1404070187 705646 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :HashMap? < 1404070206 900430 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait you're talking about them above here? < 1404070208 168130 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1404070214 521774 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do < 1404070704 783379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404071026 296813 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4540:5b:69c2:7306:3dd8:9825 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404071256 380885 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404071517 255623 :nooodl_!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404071665 472070 :ket1v!~ket1v@1.151.219.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404071678 274509 :nooodl!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404071689 269995 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-161-206.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404071800 195438 :ket1v!~ket1v@1.151.219.42 QUIT :Client Quit < 1404072023 626547 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404072365 113436 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404072712 302607 :vifino_!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404072880 878201 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404073062 737015 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404073062 932505 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404073062 932632 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404073176 6746 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404073234 755362 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1404073498 135717 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404073575 257159 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortticat < 1404073593 349256 :nortticat!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1404073611 705346 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404073754 302107 :nooodl__!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN 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:not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404075432 546300 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39973&oldid=39965 5* 03Javamannen 5* (-1711) 10Reboot & rethink. < 1404075577 680538 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now this diagram makes no sense whatsoever < 1404076324 944423 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4540:5b:69c2:7306:3dd8:9825 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ur a diagram < 1404076331 313310 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404076343 928505 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, I make no sens < 1404076344 862733 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1404076796 25968 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404076902 749805 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404077586 420700 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4540:5b:69c2:7306:3dd8:9825 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404077611 65322 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4540:5b:69c2:7306:3dd8:9825 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404077907 848655 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404077975 101370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1404078343 280150 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ndef++14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39974 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+413) 10This is the programming language of choice for the Demiurge < 1404078507 80447 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1404078511 773844 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Deprecated: "HashMap is deprecated. Please use Map instead." < 1404078529 504338 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am confused < 1404078639 542345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you're looking at the "hashmap" package instead of the "unordered-containers" one? < 1404078653 286917 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i used that? < 1404078690 597527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: look at which package was loaded by ghci < 1404078717 50367 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39975&oldid=39701 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+45) 10NDef++ < 1404078719 560537 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.HashMap < 1404078729 77143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a module, not a package < 1404078754 283285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is no such module in unordered-containers < 1404078759 648542 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck it, i'll use maps < 1404078761 304982 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404078772 187335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :use Data.HashMap.Lazy or Data.HashMap.Strict < 1404078777 712998 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404078812 64937 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those aren't deprecated when Data.HashMap is? < 1404078822 420270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, those are from unordered-containers < 1404078833 343322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :module names are not necessarily globally unique < 1404078867 104352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unordered-containers comes with the haskell platform, so is very much not deprecated) < 1404078871 171267 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will discuss that with people from the project < 1404078936 737161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Map will of course also work for just about everything < 1404078979 59949 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i know, we are faster than the c++ team < 1404079004 429981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hackage.haskell.org/package/unordered-containers-0.2.4.0 < 1404079021 149164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently the "HashMap is deprecated" notice in the Data.HashMap module of the hashmap package only refers to the fact that it's deprecated over the Data.Map module *in hashmap*. < 1404079024 751564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is it the icfp contest? < 1404079035 844345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though the whole package is marked as deprecated in favour of unordered-containers.) < 1404079048 947902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: heh < 1404079082 708001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, I mean, the Map type in Data.HashMap, of course. < 1404079097 426932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, not the Data.Map Map. < 1404079132 927949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the haskell platform version is still on 0.2.3.0 < 1404079181 391358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the platform is about a year old. a new version is planned as soon as ghc 7.8.3 is out < 1404079248 359829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh not the icfp contest < 1404079268 141836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: is this some other contest or if not why are there teams < 1404079293 93612 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a software project module of our university < 1404079301 52594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1404080011 993783 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4540:5b:69c2:7306:3dd8:9825 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404080034 290018 :ggherdov_!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zqsnhetpramfcise QUIT :Changing host < 1404080034 434396 :ggherdov_!sid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov JOIN :#esoteric < 1404080034 578798 :ggherdov_!sid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov QUIT :Changing host < 1404080034 578998 :ggherdov_!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zqsnhetpramfcise JOIN :#esoteric < 1404080050 611091 :ggherdov_!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zqsnhetpramfcise NICK :ggherdov < 1404081281 336342 :tony662!~tony662@on-campus-114-205.vpn.arizona.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1404081338 305327 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-161-206.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404081350 385787 :tony662!~tony662@on-campus-114-205.vpn.arizona.edu PART #esoteric :"Leaving..." < 1404081541 8323 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-200-41.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404082182 468865 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, one last thing: if i have data Foo = Foo { ..., bar :: Map ... } and at some point i make foo{x=5}, will it copy the map or reuse the existing one? < 1404082453 135446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :reuse < 1404082522 924414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at runtime, the bar field in Foo is just a pointer to the map, after all. < 1404082526 346697 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404082544 694964 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404082645 678859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the kind of type that it makes sense to unbox < 1404082688 362633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even if it were, it would only happen with the right settings and a strictness annotation. < 1404083106 460520 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-200-41.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404083151 816396 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404083211 171639 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-217-144.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404083445 460139 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1404083445 984103 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1404083451 201249 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1404083451 777501 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ ? \ ¿ \ @ \ ؟ \ WELCOME \  \  \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ addwep \ allquotes \ anonlog \ as86 \ aseen \ bienvenido \ botsnack \ bseen \ buttsnack \ calc \ CaT \ catcat \ cats \ cc \ cdecl \ c++decl \ chroot \ coins \ complain \ complaints \ danddreclist \ define \ delquote \ delvs \ dis86 \ e \  < 1404083467 30555 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball < 1404083467 624140 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outlook good. < 1404083471 393220 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet. < 1404083476 445605 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`allquotes < 1404083477 2429 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) <Slereah> EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ 2) <Quas_NaArt> Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... <Quas_NaArt> More practice is in order. \ 3) <AnMaster> that's where I got it <AnMaster> rocket launch facility gift shop \ 4) <Warrigal> GKennethR: he < 1404083480 748817 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-217-144.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball < 1404083481 247837 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1404083554 741587 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo bin/oerjan # wat < 1404083555 598091 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/oerjan # wat < 1404083560 497785 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/oerjan # wat < 1404083561 398030 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/oerjan # wat: No such file or directory < 1404083565 468426 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/oerjan < 1404083565 987282 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1404083573 662153 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo < bin/oerjan # wat < 1404083574 226431 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1404083576 783836 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1404083603 358723 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run xargs echo < bin/oerjan # wat < 1404083604 71640 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1404083607 947478 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learnt something today < 1404083668 293934 :nooodl_!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404083695 162107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1404083709 981041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's only been 14 minutes afaict < 1404083835 331468 :nooodl!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404084400 318566 :nooodl!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404084498 321917 :nooodl_!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404085019 574031 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404085108 258505 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404085571 294588 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404085571 439289 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404087096 786803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1404087113 756710 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404087257 102657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know about code generator generators and compiler optimizations much? < 1404087314 743926 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-217-144.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i invented them < 1404087633 735511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, are you trying to steal Taneb's job < 1404087656 114074 :vifino_!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1404087657 643589 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1404089237 423579 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39976&oldid=39947 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+2491) 10 < 1404089289 813692 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Owned box values exist in 1:1 correspondence with their heap allocation copying an owned box value makes a shallow copy of the pointer Rust will consider a shallow copy of an owned box to move ownership of the value. < 1404089849 180108 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-217-144.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? < 1404090099 575930 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39977&oldid=39976 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+35) 10 < 1404090215 895173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the Famicom, SHIFT key is always toggle bit4 of the ASCII code. Why didn't they design the PC keyboard like this? < 1404090340 275888 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-syipprulaxaznacy JOIN :#esoteric < 1404090560 614447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this implementation looks like correct to you? cmpv : (*a |- $1(*b); *a |- $1(*c); *a |- $1(*d)) / ($1(|\|), $2(|\|), *a |- $3(*b), $4(*c), $5(*d)); cmpv = [bb,cc,dd/x,y,b,c,d] cmp (bb b) (cc c) (dd d) x y; < 1404091004 703630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hink one way you could make alias analysis is just to mark some variables as aliased, and then any one that is aliased can be read/write through pointers and it then considers that any or all of them may be read/write at such a time; all others are never aliased. < 1404091015 626872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it work? < 1404094094 359084 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1404094902 61249 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1404094937 470690 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-19405.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404095457 797315 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-217-144.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1404095544 31953 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-175-36.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404095611 561786 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1404095768 265011 :nooodl!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404095870 491807 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I blame Rust docs < 1404096142 769642 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :not^v < 1404096157 721860 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :notnot^v < 1404096163 939900 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-175-36.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404096169 560895 :notnot^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1404096286 295258 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-141.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404097752 249106 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404097892 300378 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404098534 590910 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://play.golang.org/p/otMa6pWhnZ < 1404098543 182080 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Sgeo> So the interface value itself exists but points to nil? < 1404098543 326563 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<hyphenated> correct < 1404099131 499748 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1404099312 932757 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404099323 500829 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404100123 110565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How commonly are used MediaWiki templates that take names of other templates as parameters? I have done this ones, to make separate data and format templates, for the purpose of making comparison charts. < 1404102088 476983 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-syipprulaxaznacy QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1404102580 543236 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1404103693 273834 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404105286 179436 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1404105576 7003 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404105593 61606 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404106730 324989 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should reimplement Braintrust in a Common Lisp < 1404106734 949225 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically Clozure CL probably < 1404106754 658908 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think SBCL is suitable for this program. How often does THAT occur, needing a specific CL implementation? < 1404106824 669235 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that would be considered cheating < 1404107228 558103 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We may need a language unusually good at implementing Braintrust-like languages < 1404107230 965203 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT : < 1404107415 393204 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^0 < 1404108819 956101 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39978&oldid=39977 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+175) 10 < 1404109353 792613 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404109353 937138 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404109548 581502 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-75-142.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404109757 169697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1404110125 764059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I did a "uniform Huffman" coding: Figure out the largest odd factor of the number of symbols (shift right the number until you get an odd number). Now make a Huffman coding using that many symbols with equal probabilities. That is then used to encode each symbol, followed by the extra bits. < 1404110180 787807 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be used if you do not know the actual frequencies. < 1404110262 188902 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't quite result in best compression, although it is simple and causes each symbol represented by a bit sequence. < 1404112850 522409 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404113047 283797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of another kind of betting structure for poker, which is "over-pot-limit", which means pot-limit plus a constant. < 1404113161 113105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similarly, you can make pot-limit minus a constant if you like to do so, or double-pot-limit, or other variants, for example you have to use prime numbers. < 1404113802 307389 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404114410 436943 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404114958 304963 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404115019 761267 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39979&oldid=39967 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+482) 10/* The structure of the program */ < 1404115041 776902 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39980&oldid=39979 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-1) 10/* PROGRAM CODE DIVISION */ < 1404115109 799211 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404115702 351216 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404116533 408129 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404116604 44191 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39981&oldid=39980 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+776) 10/* Standard SYCPOL formatting rules */ character set < 1404116605 938616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404116757 277314 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39982&oldid=39981 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+0) 10/* System cards */ that is true, my (work in progress) card machine accepts only SSC-M1. < 1404116837 208091 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39983&oldid=39982 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+0) 10/* IMPORTS DIVISION */ prefix < 1404121619 976071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, the cafe-with-3D-printers next door is closed for the summer. :/ < 1404121830 838885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the "urban workshop" (also with 3D printers) hosted by the city library closes for summer... today. Good timing. < 1404121904 745613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NOW AT AALTO FABLAB: FabLab is on summer break until August." come *on* < 1404122133 311424 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404122284 802228 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what kind of cafe has 3D printers!? < 1404122391 731968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It's a university student kind of thing, http://addlab.aalto.fi/social-space/add-cafe < 1404122423 583633 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404122460 490708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did some kind of 3D printing workshops, though this is not terribly well documented in the interwebs. < 1404122869 623039 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404123065 701498 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404126034 236159 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404126527 80549 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CROSSOVER CHICKEN < 1404126655 118864 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1404126783 707811 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404126807 462804 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404129094 639017 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1404129172 514915 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404129286 680759 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :conehead reminds me of why Dan Akroyd is such a weird anomaly < 1404129301 146868 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He made like two great movies and everything else is Coneheads and worse < 1404129925 569080 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404130297 308839 :nooodl!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404131127 803579 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpqzinuduhqjakiy JOIN :#esoteric < 1404131416 99639 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404131512 437263 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404132660 65948 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1404133988 818 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404134105 416267 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39984&oldid=39983 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+2129) 10fibonacci sequence and RS-SYCPOL < 1404134132 89241 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404134245 907526 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39985&oldid=39978 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+2453) 10/* A suggested memory map */ new section < 1404136072 808665 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404136078 286921 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1404136100 997136 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404136349 823500 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1404136446 659010 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1404136552 826730 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1404137134 473159 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404137581 68656 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404138284 89021 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:slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404143946 312282 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404144266 957597 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1404144918 523409 :^0!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1404144930 476999 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1404146034 552686 :clog_!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Quit: ^C < 1404146049 82079 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1404146124 310670 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404146487 263775 :nooodl_!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404146511 301433 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404146678 345149 :nooodl!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404146839 574836 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@athedsl-19405.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1404147011 297013 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404148091 288856 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe < 1404148101 191110 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've passed Crypto < 1404148107 296427 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard . < 1404148115 470459 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404148266 629398 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-75-142.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404148615 233695 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1404148947 230363 :nooodl_!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1404151298 901656 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404151464 164513 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07DoubleFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39986&oldid=37799 5* 0389.136.163.78 5* (+1733) 10added interpreter < 1404151580 96108 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many languages match *fuck* but are not based on brainfuck < 1404151599 225586 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's < 1404151612 647297 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's based on brainfuck in the sense that it explicitly isn't based on brainfuck < 1404151621 105057 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if brainfuck didn't exist, it couldn't be < 1404151632 711937 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean Most ever Brainfuckiest Fuck you Brain fucker Fuck? < 1404151634 992461 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Not a brainfuck derivative, questionably < 1404151636 502921 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1404151637 425840 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that one < 1404151662 819762 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was a parody of the "brainfuck after weird obfuscation" ones. < 1404151684 864561 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not much of a bf derivative < 1404151699 325105 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :philistine! < 1404152749 170564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think that many Forth commands can be compiled into series of Z-machine instructions, however a lot of optimization can be possible to not always use the stack, as well as to keep a "compiler stack" during optimization of each basic block to determine types of each data further allowing optimization before code generation. < 1404152969 181475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, DUP becomes [VALUES 0 >0], DROP becomes [FSTACK] or [ICALL2 0 *0], 1+ becomes [INC 0], and DROP DROP DROP 0 becomes [CALL 0 *0 *0 *0 >0]. < 1404153053 137765 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pushes onto stack which are known to be dropped can be replaced by stores into dead non-aliased variables. < 1404153201 556627 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling Forth sort-of seems to miss the point, to me < 1404153208 79814 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, ahead-of-time < 1404153214 559755 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sort of compilation Forth does as it executse is fine < 1404153223 489499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other things are possible for example . becomes [PRINTN *0], TYPE becomes [PRINT *0], SDESC can mean [PRINTD *0]. < 1404153226 873256 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, did anyone ever finish off that /bin/false exploit? < 1404153257 976731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I mean it would compile into intermediate code as it executes, and then any intermediate code which is not dead is compiled into Z-machine code. < 1404153368 774027 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe Z-machine codes [POP 0] is like the Forth code called NIP < 1404153368 918653 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404153398 883752 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404153550 306344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea I have is that the compiler stack (this is separate from the Forth compiler stack; it is a stack used for converting intermediate code) can tell what is booleans and therefore to generate predicate instructions which directly branch in such a case instead of pushing 1 or 0 into the stack. < 1404153630 261451 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I don't know perfectly about these kind of code generation so maybe I need help. Do you know it any better to describe what is wrong with it and so on? < 1404153812 205308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would use of scanner generators and parser generators help if they are modified to be used for code generation somehow? < 1404154219 920433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would peephole optimizer generators work? < 1404154475 708262 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39987&oldid=39973 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+3655) 10Less Fluff, more Stuff < 1404154512 895024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404154685 698236 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1404155150 963426 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404155186 245144 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404155412 355278 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-141.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404155525 290456 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-72.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404155582 783464 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39988&oldid=39984 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+22) 10/* Fibonacci sequence */ fix < 1404155682 21478 :AnotherTest_!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404155703 985220 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404155704 231041 :AnotherTest_!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be NICK :AnotherTest < 1404156126 897052 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39989&oldid=39985 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+587) 10 < 1404156280 745581 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404156601 577893 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1404156798 625823 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am amused by today’s Codeless Code. < 1404156825 804510 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:GermanyBoy14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39990&oldid=39944 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+1) 10/* Non-esoteric languages */ < 1404157247 211166 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1404157455 366886 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39991&oldid=39989 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+227) 10How about SYCPOL? < 1404157967 291094 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404158999 743589 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404159007 713954 :AnotherTest_!~turingcom@d51a42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404159016 906264 :AnotherTest_!~turingcom@d51a42986.access.telenet.be NICK :AnotherTest < 1404159408 305246 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-72.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404159456 763176 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404159502 349743 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-246.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404159535 925364 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404159578 247030 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v_________ < 1404159592 982662 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404159800 210047 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404160559 869250 :^v_________!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1404160900 599200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You folks are the kind of people who are knowledgeable about 3D printing, right? < 1404160937 731289 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404160965 353784 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-26.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1404160965 498344 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-26.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1404160965 498474 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1404160989 328811 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read a science fiction story involving 3d printers, once. so es. < 1404160990 281485 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1404161135 360886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, good. I need a piece of plastic in a particular shape, and there's a 3D printer in the local library that I think prints PLA, but I have no idea what the appropriate wall thickness is so that it doesn't crumble when I look at it wrong, but on the other hand is not overly wasteful and slow to print. < 1404161224 534658 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume this is a middle layer of space ship plating, so i'm going to recommend at least 50 cm thick for dealing with micrometeoroid impacts < 1404161240 610624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, that was useful. < 1404161269 285939 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though i imagine that's just structural engineering? and depends on, e.g., the forces this thing is subjected to. < 1404161295 97759 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as gravity from the height < 1404161488 523671 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpqzinuduhqjakiy QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1404161536 329166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI, the current (cheap) printers are kind of fiddly and slow, and can't print all things that should theoretically be possible. < 1404161735 546590 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :aiui = as i understand it? < 1404161794 374420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1404161859 372522 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1404163590 331565 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-26.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1404163613 680184 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404163634 372131 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-26.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1404163634 516800 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1404163735 553574 :mhi^_!~mhi@cable-95-168-137-234.cust.telecolumbus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404164088 669956 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404164095 344968 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404164155 977524 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404164157 658393 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404164158 194620 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404164411 750242 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404164424 901983 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39992&oldid=39991 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+1799) 10/* More ideas (of zzo38) */ My replies regarding alternative video and audio modes < 1404164560 692955 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404164568 263219 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1404164568 407487 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1404165215 674443 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1404165238 716747 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404165455 117462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1404166501 287883 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404166567 53415 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404166622 912592 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404167451 816812 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404167689 925262 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404167749 971647 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404167898 207557 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404167898 391590 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404168284 722460 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404168287 213128 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404168498 121122 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan, Tannelle, quinthellopia, fowello, hellooodl, fungellot! < 1404168564 522638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi boily < 1404168616 308607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :god kveily < 1404168636 72559 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shellochellof! < 1404168682 303140 :nooodl!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily < 1404168693 651232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yørjan < 1404168696 912276 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hvor er du? < 1404168709 688037 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: nice one. I'll have to steal it. < 1404168712 273021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trondheim hth < 1404168745 786576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more precisely, in my apartment < 1404168759 213771 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1404168792 690623 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaand once againd google translate is completely off. I input «comment ça va?», and I think I got something to the effect of “where are you?” < 1404168799 709150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shalomchaf < 1404168824 129812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed you did < 1404168829 954001 :nooodl!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe "how" and "where" are the same word in norsk?? < 1404168836 813888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other would be "hvordan går det?" < 1404168864 835084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: only in the "how much" sense < 1404168880 840811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :halloerjan < 1404168890 815618 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: if how and where are the same, it must make for very interesting rounds of Cluedo! < 1404169059 385384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it makes the same mistake if you go via english, "how are you?" -> "hvor er du?" < 1404169088 282346 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Lethosor14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39993&oldid=36507 5* 03Lethosor 5* (-484) 10blank < 1404169147 515496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives gt a suggestion edit < 1404169258 929013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course this is also a phrase where translating each word literally form english to norwegian is completely wrong. interestingly, directly from french would not be. < 1404169264 749073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from < 1404169333 859895 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found that some phrases give blatantly wrong suggestions, probably because of malicious "suggestions" for better translations I suppose < 1404169364 413425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well scratch that, the translation for "va" uses the entirely wrong sense of the word < 1404169429 930964 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just point lasers at the target of your question and display an ID card on your holo-screen while angrily beeping. < 1404169487 222953 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow I thoguht I'd said something since six days ago, but I guess not. < 1404169899 65290 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404170001 49362 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1404170176 36550 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1404170247 897934 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404170250 87372 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404170263 98023 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404170270 103099 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404170434 283525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> And the "urban workshop" (also with 3D printers) hosted by the city library closes for summer... today. Good timing. <-- your tiny robot takeover of the world will just have to wait, alas. < 1404170555 334771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't celebrate too early, the two other branch libraries with 3D printers (here in Espoo) seem to be open. < 1404170591 953772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is taking over the world? < 1404170592 261765 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1404170606 967797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :7msg fungot I'll have to go to sleep now, but you keep working on the tiny killer robot design, okay? < 1404170607 152257 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how do you mean? don't i also have my < 1404170613 571161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Whoops." < 1404170618 235280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else would you be needing 3d printers for, duh < 1404170636 866503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(G'night, folks.) < 1404170654 794490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes more sense when you see http://frontype.com/keyboarding/540px-Computer-keyboard-Sweden.svg.png hth < 1404170689 566609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess that joke doesn't translate well. < 1404170705 976415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be somewhat common on Finnish IRCnet channels. < 1404170738 734506 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404170741 345951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my keyboard you can type / without pressing Shift. < 1404170831 692836 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404170837 270577 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404171015 423859 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero < 1404171061 398404 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, ¤ has higher priority than $ or £, eh < 1404171074 886353 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1404171490 822364 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ░▒▓█▓▒░ CHICKEN < 1404171493 763692 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404172058 145587 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404172134 829104 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/29i10s/the_history_of_php_archives_phar_files/ < 1404172141 806903 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I...think I'm going to have nightmares < 1404172165 605001 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should get nightmares from popular science-fiction film "Alien" instead. < 1404172245 536435 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen popular science-fiction film "Alien" < 1404172264 505729 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404172272 149460 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404172350 600961 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's your problem. < 1404172381 911767 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good. sfx still hold up after the years. very straightforward: here is this freudian monster thing. it is scary. there, that's the plot. simple! < 1404172398 319118 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Rust both move and copy things? Why not just move? < 1404172400 71150 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404172413 67398 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are variables supposed to.. hold values at one place, or something? < 1404172415 496650 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404172450 913754 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not understand this line of questioning < 1404172514 920471 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct foo {blah: int8}; let x = foo {blah: 0}; let y = x; // If I understand correctly, x is dead, but its value has been copied over to y < 1404172612 978495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ░▒▓█▓▒░ < 1404172613 559417 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0020 SPACE] [U+2591 LIGHT SHADE] [U+2592 MEDIUM SHADE] [U+2593 DARK SHADE] [U+2588 FULL BLOCK] [U+2593 DARK SHADE] [U+2592 MEDIUM SHADE] [U+2591 LIGHT SHADE] [U+0020 SPACE] < 1404172676 315232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: there is more plot than that hth < 1404172699 199570 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also tempted to try playing Rust-the-game