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01:25:16 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[BytePusher II]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40099&oldid=40081 * Javamannen * (+485) Memory model, CPU, Endianness
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02:21:14 <zzo38> Did you see my most recent texts of Dungeons&Dragons game? Maybe the text can also be fixed for making a story written a bit better than that?
02:24:37 <zzo38> See if you can answer these questions so far? gopher://zzo38computer.org/1quiz.run*quiz01.
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02:40:12 <oerjan> Sgeo_: so you are saying the psox on your phone has turned sentient?
02:42:00 <elliott> if your pee socks turn sentient you probably left them long enough that they developed their own ecosystem
02:43:15 <oerjan> i don't think pee socks are a concept, elliott
02:43:28 <elliott> they weren't until Sgeo came along!
02:43:51 <oerjan> i have a nice porcelain device hth
02:45:28 <elliott> if that's what you call it.
02:45:40 <oerjan> it's technically probably correct
02:46:36 <oerjan> http://gizmodo.com/5930537/why-toilets-are-still-made-of-porcelain
02:47:14 <elliott> unfortunately my line is a dumber joke than you may have been assuming
02:49:13 <oerjan> also, advice: don't go to the farmacy when you've slept so little you don't recognize that you're picking the wrong brand hth
02:49:29 <Bike> I don’t think I need to spend much time on infinity. Infinitus est numerus stultorum. It suffices to point out that you cannot show me infinity of anything whatsoever. Since everything is finite, including every number, putting them all together will still not get you to infinity. According to math (and also its feisty sidekick, the English language), the number before infinity would be known as the “penultimate” in the series of ...
02:49:35 <Bike> ... all numbers. So in my opinion, the last number in the number line is the penultimate.
02:49:38 <Bike> There is also a convenient common sense method for refuting infinity. If there were infinite numbers, then the Universe couldn’t fit them all in. But clearly the Universe does fit them all in, by the transitive property. It fits our brains, and our brains fit all the numbers. Please see William Lane Craig on this point, for further discussion
02:51:18 <oerjan> Bike: cranking up the spam?
02:55:40 <oerjan> elliott: eye drops. instead of the nice simple one i've bought before "_no_ known side effects" i came back with some that require me to press on my eye for 1-2 minutes afterward in order that it doesn't get into my nose canals
02:56:08 <elliott> oerjan: _no_ known side effects sounds like it might be homeopathic or something :)
02:56:50 <oerjan> not to my knowledge. the brand's called artelac
02:56:57 <Sgeo_> Actual homeopathic or fake homeopathic with active ingredients?
02:57:48 <oerjan> it doesn't claim to be homeopathic.
02:58:09 <elliott> it's secretly homeopathic. (it's not; I googled it.)
02:59:30 <oerjan> fortunately i still have a bottle of the old left.
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03:01:11 <zzo38> Then why do you need to buy a new one?
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03:01:47 <oerjan> it's a small bottle, so it will be used up before the next time my sleeping rhythm returns to normal enough to visit a pharmacy.
03:06:59 <oerjan> (or well, the local pharmacy. in theory, there's one near the city center with especially long opening hours.)
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05:12:13 <Sgeo_> http://www.reddit.com/r/node/comments/29sw2n/farewell_nodejs_tj_holowaychuk/
05:12:24 <Sgeo_> There exist conspiracy theories about certain programmers
05:12:37 <Sgeo_> "He isn't a real person, outside of the person who actually is the owner of the name tj holowaychuk. Look at the people who take over these repos in the coming days and weeks to find out who actually wrote them."
05:13:20 <elliott> I, too, can create a troll reddit account to post some nonsense in one specific thread
05:13:23 <Bicyclidine> my grandpa said he knew why the lucky stiff once, back in his army days. said he had a grin you couldn't forget, a crazy grin
05:13:31 <elliott> will you help me troll as many people as possible by linking and quoting it in irrelevant channels?
05:14:03 <Bicyclidine> funny thing was, he said why was writing a book, even then, in korea, and it was about ruby...............
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05:45:22 <zzo38> What conspiracy theories about what programmers?
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06:21:53 <fizzie> It is very exciting, I am at a 3D printer.
06:33:21 <fizzie> It had completed a layer!
06:33:31 <fizzie> There will be few hundred of those.
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06:45:33 <elliott> fizzie: does knowing finnish give you the ability to construct these wonderful sentences?
06:47:10 <fizzie> fungot: What do you think?
06:47:10 <fungot> fizzie: knowing why tail-recursion is important requires knowing about how memory works. binaries must be for -something-. i
06:48:44 <fizzie> Hey, the bottom has been done. It has started the infill.
06:48:59 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
06:49:12 <ais523> fungot's been a bit too lucid for irc, recently
06:49:12 <fungot> ais523: there are too many concepts involved in foof-loop? or have i just said? :)
06:58:04 <fizzie> (And flaky wifi at the library.)
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07:03:44 <fizzie> Ooh, top of the bottom.
07:16:06 <oerjan> this is not the top. it's not even the bottom of the top. but it may be the top of the bottom.
07:25:00 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Rdebath]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40100&oldid=40055 * Rdebath * (+635) Resolution improvement on Counter test (best of 10)
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07:31:50 <fizzie> Oh no, my printout is going awry. :/
07:44:31 <oerjan> is it taking over the library
07:45:52 <oerjan> whatever you do, don't flee and abandon it. see what that did for frankenstein.
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07:48:46 <fizzie> It is warping and probably going to fail catastrophically later on.
07:51:42 <fizzie> Welp, I guess these don
07:51:50 <fizzie> 't usually work out right on the first try.
08:07:14 <fizzie> We tried applying some duck tape.
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08:23:36 <oerjan> elliott: did you know you're still all time no. 6 on stackoverflow's haskell tag
08:23:57 <elliott> oerjan: I'm surprised I haven't been more thoroughly overtaken by now
08:25:09 <elliott> I could beat dons if I wanted
08:25:45 <elliott> oerjan: I see you've made the list for this month
08:26:24 <oerjan> that's what i was checking
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09:00:50 <fizzie> I am at 9.6 millimetres (of 38), and it has not totally failed yet.
09:01:04 <fizzie> There's a bit of a Dali-esque look to one side of it, though.
09:05:42 <myname> how to guard an IO Bool?
09:09:37 <myname> the nicer way may be to make the helper function to return a bool, but i have no idea if that's actually possible
09:09:56 <oerjan> it's not, if it actually uses IO.
09:10:22 <oerjan> did you perhaps mean something else by guard.
09:10:25 <myname> i have an IORef [a] and want to check if the underlying list is empty
09:11:09 <oerjan> l <- readIORef ...; if null l then ... else ...
09:12:05 <myname> yeah, i thought it'd be nice if i could do something foo :: IORef [a] -> Bool stuff
09:12:17 <oerjan> or with the new LambdaCase extension, readIORef ... >>= \ case [] -> ...
09:12:51 <oerjan> myname: learning that you cannot get out of IO is like the first thing you learn about IO, hth
09:13:14 <myname> oerjan: i am at that step right now
09:13:53 <elliott> myname: (foo ref) would be True or False depending on the contents of (the same) ref
09:13:56 <elliott> therefore that would violate RT
09:14:26 <elliott> my ;_; was because you gave me a flashback to the 10,000 questions of exactly that form I've dealt with on SO thanks to oerjan reminding me :p
09:14:35 <myname> can i at least do "nothing" in the else branch?
09:15:12 <oerjan> myname: you can use when (null l) $ ...
09:15:26 <elliott> else return () -- when is equivalent
09:15:35 <lambdabot> when p s = if p then s else return ()
09:16:01 <oerjan> seriously, it's too hot to go outside today ;_;
09:22:01 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:BytePusher II]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40101&oldid=40000 * GreyKnight * (+418) /* Esoteric language for ROM interpreter? */
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09:58:53 <idris-bot> Prelude.Applicative.when : Applicative f => Bool -> Lazy (f ()) -> f ()
09:58:53 <idris-bot> Effects.when : Applicative m => Bool -> Lazy (Eff m () xs (\result => xs)) -> Eff m () xs (\result6 => xs)
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10:05:04 <fizzie> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140707-pr.jpg the future of manufacturing
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10:43:39 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Blub]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40102&oldid=32422 * Benni++ * (-9) Fixed the link after 3 years, was bored.
10:47:16 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[DNA-Sharp]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40103&oldid=35666 * Benni++ * (+79) Added a link to the reuploaded editor.
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12:32:26 <fizzie> "Printing job ETA 0h:-2m:-23s" even time itself has failed
12:38:33 <fizzie> "Printing job ETA 0h:-6m:-2s" I'm sure it's done soon
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13:18:35 <fizzie> I am now a proud owner of a (quite warped-curvy but perhaps functional) N900-to-tripod thingamagick. And it only took 7 hours.
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16:20:03 <zzo38> One feature of the .NSF music format is that it is sometimes possible to convert files into such a format simply by concatenating the source file on top of a NSF stub.
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16:27:42 <coppro> can we figure out a way to ban mIRC colours on freenode?
16:27:49 <coppro> I'm okay with real color protocols
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16:29:46 <Bicyclidine> probably you'd want to patch whatever ircd freenode uses, and hope that everyone's client knows what you're doing (good luck)
16:30:00 <oerjan> have a bot send a notice to everyone who uses them hth
16:31:06 <coppro> Bicyclidine: don't tell the clients
16:31:16 <coppro> just tell people "mIRC colours are shit. we discontinued them."
16:32:04 <zzo38> I do not think you should tamper with the data in the protocol. But, you can tell people to don't use them, and complain when it is used
16:32:15 <coppro> CFI1we should use a colour protocol that doesn't suck ass
16:32:16 <zzo38> What real color protocols do you want? ANSI?
16:33:15 <coppro> the CTCP draft spec has one that doesn't suck ass
16:33:23 <coppro> although apparently on my client it produces blinking text
16:33:31 <zzo38> [7mReverse[mNormal
16:33:45 <coppro> (that line above started with ^FCFI1, which under the draft CTCP spec would give blue text)
16:34:15 <zzo38> I can just see the "^FCFI1" directly on my computer, and the text is already blue anyways due to syntax highlighting.
16:35:04 <zzo38> Does my line display like anything?
16:35:13 <coppro> also, syntax highlighting?
16:35:44 <zzo38> If it is reversed then I suppose you already have ANSI support.
16:36:23 <zzo38> Syntax highlighting is: sender in cyan, command in bright white, parameters in normal white, long parameters in bright blue (except for the preceding colon)
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16:47:56 <coppro> wait, you read IRC raw?
16:50:07 <b_jonas> coppro: freenode already has a channel mode for that
16:50:24 <b_jonas> but I too don't see much of a point in that
16:51:33 <b_jonas> incidentally, freenode's services do use mirc bold in some messages
16:51:48 <coppro> b_jonas: it needs to be turned off globally to make it die
16:52:21 <b_jonas> isn't it already bad enough to have three bytes the server doesn't allow in your messages? do you want eight more bytes?
16:52:34 <b_jonas> I for one would want to be able to send any byte and let the client decide how to interpret them
16:52:37 <zzo38> coppro: It isn't quite raw; it is in colors.
16:52:53 <b_jonas> if you don't like the colors, ask your irc client to not display them or something
16:53:01 <zzo38> b_jonas: I agree with you
16:53:09 <zzo38> Let the client decide how to interpret them.
16:53:39 <zzo38> With three exceptions though, being NUL, CR, LF, which should be made more restrictive.
16:55:46 <zzo38> (My own IRC client uses its own colors, although it does have an option to use additional colors/styles for client commands, bold, underline, and reverse video.)
16:57:57 <b_jonas> iirc three control characters are reserved by ctcp (though actually only one gets any use), and how many are there for colors and similar formatting stuff?
17:02:10 <zzo38> I don't know. I think it would probably be reasonable to use a subset of the ANSI codes for formatting, although this is not commonly done on IRC (it is common in other systems though).
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17:09:02 <coppro> `addquote <zzo38> Syntax highlighting is: sender in cyan, command in bright white, parameters in normal white, long parameters in bright blue (except for the preceding colon) <coppro> wait, you read IRC raw? <zzo38> It isn't quite raw; it is in colors.
17:09:04 <HackEgo> 1213) <zzo38> Syntax highlighting is: sender in cyan, command in bright white, parameters in normal white, long parameters in bright blue (except for the preceding colon) <coppro> wait, you read IRC raw? <zzo38> It isn't quite raw; it is in colors.
17:09:47 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Ligature Machine]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40104 * Zzo38 * (+797) Created page with "Ligature Machine is a system consisting of: * A set of symbols. * A special begin symbol and end symbol. * A rule table, mapping an ordered pair of symbols to the new symbol (..."
17:10:24 <zzo38> Also PING commands are hidden if the AUTOPONG option is set.
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17:12:14 <coppro> zzo38: do you know the computing power of LM? I feel like it probably can recognize the regular languages
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17:12:54 <zzo38> coppro: No, unfortunately I don't quite know.
17:13:07 <zzo38> I don't know everything about computational classes.
17:13:24 <coppro> isn't |:=| a guaranteed infinite loop?
17:13:53 <coppro> also where is the ligature inserted on :=|?
17:13:58 <coppro> before or after the second symbol?
17:14:07 <zzo38> coppro: In :=| the ligature replaces the first symbol.
17:14:42 <zzo38> In |:=| the ligature is inserted in between. Therefore the rule corresponding to the old first symbol plus the ligature symbol might cause it not to loop.
17:14:43 <coppro> so yeah, I feel like you could probably simulate it with an NFA-e without too much difficulty
17:15:49 <coppro> but you can't go back... so it's incapable of recognizing the balanced parens language, which means it's weaker than CF
17:15:55 <coppro> probably still regular then
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17:16:02 <zzo38> Yes that is correct that you cannot go backward.
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17:20:42 <zzo38> I think you can recognize balanced parens if the number of symbols is allowed to be infinite, although it isn't supposed to be infinite.
17:20:52 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Ligature Machine]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40105&oldid=40104 * 135.23.126.116 * (+147)
17:22:28 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Ligature Machine]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40106&oldid=40105 * Zzo38 * (-7)
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17:30:38 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Ligature Machine]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40107&oldid=40106 * Zzo38 * (+238) Mention example of modes
17:34:30 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40108&oldid=40008 * Zzo38 * (+23) +[[Ligature Machine]]
17:34:57 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Zzo38]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40109&oldid=39104 * Zzo38 * (+23) +[[Ligature Machine]]
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18:09:57 <quintopia> he never wrote a david_werecat_simurgh for the hill :(
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20:23:58 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Rdebath/deadbeef]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40110&oldid=39881 * Rdebath * (+181) Add [>] accelerator
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22:28:28 * Sgeo wonders what D is like these days
22:32:08 <boily> has D ever took off? are there any major projects using it?
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22:36:04 <Sgeo> http://vibed.org/ exists
22:36:08 <Sgeo> No idea if it's any good
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22:37:53 <Sgeo> "De(serialization) of arbitrary D types is also supported."
22:38:01 <Sgeo> I would put those parens around (De)
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23:51:01 <stickittothemain> a bunch of implementations of different esolangs within one program
23:51:34 <stickittothemain> now, if we're going to do this, we'll have to decide on a single language
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23:57:02 <stickittothemain> I mean, when you're bored, you could just reimplement ><> to be more efficient