< 1405383173 898876 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1405383310 915524 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1405383335 296166 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1405383359 3888 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1405383438 326591 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405383565 105308 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1405383694 651969 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1405384193 285210 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1405385885 367371 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it at all likely that any given Ruby DSL will behave differently from others in a variety of subtle ways even if they're all used similarly? < 1405386086 227619 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1405386197 22434 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i would advise that you don't try to write ruby like you would haskell" < 1405386200 81786 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm sad now < 1405386483 114057 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now they're arguing about whether Ruby has functions < 1405386523 563097 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's "they"? the gods of pegāna? < 1405386532 874423 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ruby < 1405386574 930403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real ruby channel is #ruby-lang anyway < 1405386590 602612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why are you quoting #ruby in here? what did we do to you? < 1405386660 775323 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both #ruby and #ruby-lang are apparently popular. The former more so, but the latter has a lot of people too < 1405386692 23189 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just another example of Ruby philosophy? < 1405386718 944452 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered reading dennett? hegel? malebranche < 1405386771 605819 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do want to read Dennett at some poiint < 1405386882 582425 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1405387417 884000 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1405387503 934968 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405389700 922337 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1405389975 4962 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1405390465 534780 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1405390992 556311 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1405391163 933999 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405391575 635863 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1405392089 538489 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/YDyb2w13 < 1405392103 758635 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This code working as I expected seems to be calming me down, oddly enough < 1405392129 882050 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405392129 882181 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405392129 882246 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405392129 882309 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405392181 994695 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405392194 662339 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1405393283 336257 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat JOIN :#esoteric < 1405393298 303028 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405393420 178175 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i get advice on the "language" i made to store lcd patters for my arduino uno's lcd4884 (84x48) shield on a sdcard attached to my arduino micro (te two arduinos are connected by serial)? < 1405393440 899824 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98841263/lcd4884_hello_world.txt < 1405393445 460907 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98841263/lcd4884_command_list.txt < 1405393451 218664 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1405393491 404252 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ACTION blinks at Ruby having a StopIteration
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ACTION stumbles upon an obsolete Rack tutorial :(
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:^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:bdf0:fd56:be62:a11d QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405424732 680778 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1405424732 904458 :Patashu!Tenmu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1405425411 119449 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1405426768 327146 :nooodl!~nooodl@1.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1405427038 306513 :nooodl!~nooodl@1.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405427091 366396 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1405427193 704007 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405427414 999250 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat JOIN :#esoteric < 1405427602 340335 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the "language" I made for communicting lcd information between arduinos. Whoever can make sense of this gets extra points. (Hint: The second file is the code for "Hello, World!") < 1405427606 367085 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98841263/lcd4884_command_list_new.txt https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98841263/lcd4884_hello_world_new.txt < 1405427724 97856 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :please advise < 1405428149 371535 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1405428192 418572 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1405428588 356826 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1405428745 301077 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1405428824 986640 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405428865 926972 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1405429569 460097 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405429678 305741 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405430017 531256 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys I made a language and I want some feedback on it :P < 1405430019 319483 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/TieSoul/Befunk < 1405430040 101371 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoilers: It's very similar to Befunge < 1405430242 389130 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: it's almost an encoding of Befunge-98 into images? < 1405430250 409825 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a few changes to allow for the fact that it's now non-textual? < 1405430254 682329 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost < 1405430256 852484 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1405430258 442578 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1405430283 380623 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, my opinion is that it's basically an input encoding < 1405430291 873408 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried converting Mycology to an image and running that on it? < 1405430305 937630 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the usual test for Funge-alikes < 1405430312 959243 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1405430313 314588 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost impossible to convert Befunge to Befunk < 1405430327 548265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just about to say it's probably best that fungot isn't here to hear about this travesty < 1405430327 965990 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just added a few items already was quite obvious that he doesn't have the best of both worlds. < 1405430349 683425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, fungot entered just as i'd finished the line) < 1405430349 974431 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: being reminds me of the running man. reinstalling all your stuff is annoying < 1405430419 569636 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: can you convert into befunk? < 1405430419 755076 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ( he was actually worried it would " not last". 1) < 1405430426 164023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, you can't make a working fungot without fingerprints. < 1405430426 683522 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ( define y ' () evaluates to a non-empty list which it is meaningful to modify the fingerprint and add a clause for abstractions, applications, etc < 1405430463 787451 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how common is it for fungot to mention a word from its trigger? < 1405430464 12799 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ye gads... < 1405430518 729758 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it only does it at random < 1405430524 630987 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no specific trigger lookup < 1405430530 254660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you could computed the expected value for it, however. < 1405430544 130691 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I was more wondering how often it happens accidentally < 1405430567 160838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having "a" in both is probably reasonably common. < 1405430568 216163 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't be too hard to grep thel ogs for it < 1405430570 680572 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the logs < 1405430586 623566 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is "the" less common on IRC than in English generally? it wouldn't surprise me if it were < 1405430590 352789 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1405430641 929995 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: do you count only English irc, or also other languages? < 1405430643 885022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did some counting once. < 1405430651 804743 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhoo, modulo some difficulties (figuring out which part is code and which part is data read via g/p), I don't see why it would be impossible to convert (a subset of) Funge-98 programs to Befunk. < 1405430661 119562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you count all-textspeak-and-emoticons irc? < 1405430666 444757 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I guess I count only Freenode, which is not 100% English, but is very-high-percentage English < 1405430691 328033 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1405430696 830762 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: characters that are used in both stringmode and normal mode? < 1405430705 119338 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I wonder if Mycology does that at all < 1405430709 494547 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it does at least with spaces < 1405430740 429879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Those would be problematic, as would be characters that are both executed and read via g. < 1405430768 278046 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sort of ambiguity was intentional in catseye's specs, I think < 1405430774 436300 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he wanted to make Befunge as hard to compile as possible < 1405430779 96581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except when they've read with g only to be written with p and executed again, in which case the exact value does not matter.) < 1405430786 14597 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or she, I guess < 1405430815 885772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: i'm pretty sure cpressey is he hth < 1405430818 144428 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this read/execute issue comes up in a lot of languages < 1405430830 644494 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the main difference between Underload and Underlambda, for instance < 1405430839 836567 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that Underlambda is likely to ever be fully specified at this rate < 1405430852 664609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've misplaced my script of dumping out fungot's language models in a human-readable format. :/ < 1405430852 880580 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: one could ( more informally) write x(m 1..n) 0 0 < 1405430853 960372 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405430875 699388 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> x(m 1..n) 0 0 < 1405430876 847030 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:6: parse error on input ‘..’ < 1405430984 679960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can't be right, it's claiming the unigram frequency of "the" is 2/8922315. < 1405431012 301759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does it work the "special" words? < 1405431017 256922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for the < 1405431175 752906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has sorted the labels alphabetically, but is taking the frequencies from the unsorted list. < 1405431176 363343 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm mentally working on the challenge of "create a BF derivative that's as similar to BF as possible while being almost impossible to compile BF programs to" < 1405431205 994711 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally, one that is obviously curly-L-complete, and not in the HQ9+ sense < 1405431235 939860 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I love the fact that esolang technology has developed so much that I can write sentences like that and have a decent chance of people knowing what I mean) < 1405431236 462080 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just did that with Befunge :P < 1405431241 518041 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: yes < 1405431250 888193 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not really intentionally < 1405431254 765071 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I started thinking about doing that with BF, which is a harder core to work from < 1405431266 990050 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we accomplish that, next stop is to do it with Thue :-) < 1405431428 729156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunk's impossibility is also just for the generic case. I'd wager there are several Befunge programs that'd translate over pretty easily. < 1405431439 411618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also 3.09% of the tokens in fungot's "irc" model are the word "the". < 1405431439 775354 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: really, it's just totally useless. i'd better go home, else i'll miss the one in scheme48 :) like us? < 1405431500 104890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The corresponding figure for Google's book corpus is between 4.6% to 6.1%, depending on the publication year. < 1405431517 247151 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, most simple Befunge programs (i. e. programs that don't involve stringmode) can be converted quite simply < 1405431541 631038 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs with stringmode can also be converted with slightly more work < 1405431560 878093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eyeball-extrapolating the trends, I'd estimate the IRC-speak of today is book-writing of 2060 or so, judging from the frequency of "the" alone. < 1405431567 50287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a downward trend.) < 1405431569 244628 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and programs with instructions both in and not in stringmode can't be converted < 1405431844 712785 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: what does "curly-L-complete" refer to? < 1405431910 372039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: GET WITH THE TECHNOLOGY MAN < 1405431910 870760 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: an article on the wiki which I can't link to because I can't type the curly L and can't be bothered to look it up < 1405431920 608090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also the wiki is down. < 1405431924 440747 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:d974:9338:78bd:6e8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405431935 616463 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it means that the language can be used to implement at least one interpreter for a TC language < 1405431943 640598 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is some debate about whether or not this means that the language is actually TC < 1405431951 10012 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although all TC languages are also curly-L-complete < 1405431951 279386 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1405432093 693331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's at times like these I'm happy I'm just administering the thing and not actually hosting it. < 1405432136 964452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it's basically about whether you should consider code distinct from input when defining TC-ness. (i'm on the "no" side.) < 1405432193 528384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because there are so many TC formalisms where separating code and input makes no real sense. < 1405432263 860418 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1405432274 60924 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1405432295 835797 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ℒ < 1405432309 125377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo is also down. < 1405432309 623436 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, stuff’s down. < 1405432329 378847 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the intended curly L though? < 1405432351 658913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even important stuff, like people's MINECRAFT SERVERS, are down. (I checked Twitter.) < 1405432375 944846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: yes. googling that with esolang gives the right hit. < 1405432396 985688 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is stuff down < 1405432401 948699 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1405432408 667213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad google stopped giving cached pages. < 1405432409 982087 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and OHNO MINECRAFT SURVURS < 1405432428 490845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There is a cached copy of it. < 1405432433 355546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In Google. < 1405432445 327995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, but can you get to it? < 1405432477 371874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, with a browser that doesn't load images or other useless stuff. < 1405432489 974245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scripts too, I guess. < 1405432503 382796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that if it were just images, it probably wouldn't block before rendering something. < 1405432554 885669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or possibly it's stylesheets, I don't know what browsers do about those.) < 1405432563 902761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, it loads nicely with w3m. < 1405432594 599660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only get the translate link on the hit page, which doesn't load. < 1405432639 34279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that tiny down arrow. < 1405432660 455728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's where they've put the cached-page link nowadays. < 1405432671 354935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i got it now. < 1405432715 39553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ℒ is not infrequently written as "fancy L", in situations where 'ℒ' is difficult to type." apparently ais523_ used a nonstandard alternative term. < 1405433163 712907 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it’s not necessarily curly in every font. < 1405433211 542616 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, a curly L could also be ȴ (LATIN SMALL LETTER L WITH CURL). < 1405433325 291457 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think "curly L" is the normal name for the computability class, if not the letter < 1405433583 821582 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ℒ is SCRIPT CAPITAL L btw. < 1405434662 677736 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a Befunk solution to Euler-1 hidden in an image file which displays the number 233168 :P < 1405434691 593384 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the solution < 1405435412 406773 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:d974:9338:78bd:6e8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405435769 466297 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yokedlhseolwfthx JOIN :#esoteric < 1405436264 150064 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405437106 651007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1405437167 351802 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405437675 325675 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405438280 95679 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :£ < 1405438578 321918 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405439774 344342 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Restarting router < 1405439962 316303 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1405441221 417718 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:48b9:614a:5e5a:6192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405441976 200684 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1405442232 177796 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1405442424 207405 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1405442902 884958 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea. a pair of HTTP status codes for Request Interrupted and Resume Request < 1405442923 137450 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :intended to be used for a transparent auth gateway like on free wifi networks < 1405442943 441265 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that they original request isn't interrupted and the browser can still submit whatever it was submitting < 1405442950 620297 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stateful? < 1405443030 118989 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only at the client end < 1405443050 220503 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: those wifi auth gateways massively confuse my browser, to the extent that I've taken to using w3m for them < 1405443092 318074 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:48b9:614a:5e5a:6192 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405443114 833879 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :lolbotnetmuch < 1405443121 107061 :lolbotnetmuch!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^4 < 1405443203 20559 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: if they're stateful, the only state is that the server will give a unique key so that the client can remember which request it's resuming < 1405443246 220306 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like those WiFi auth gateways; for one thing they require a web browser, and even if you have one, causes interruption. Better is to use standard WiFi passwords; if agreement to terms of service is required it can be on a separate paper. < 1405443285 308431 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nowadays they require huge levels of auth < 1405443295 615064 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of several I've used recently, the /least/ they required was an email address < 1405443320 663399 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That does not cover all use cases < 1405443324 154681 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them wanted to know email address, physical address, name, mobile telephone number (all required), plus an agreement to let them send me adverts < 1405443335 369559 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't agree to that even if I wanted to, due to not having a mobile phone < 1405443354 212887 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will work fine for, say, a hotel's wifi, but it doesn't work for the case where you are operating a public access point and wish to charge for access < 1405443359 151937 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may not have physical interaction with clients < 1405443403 965339 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: there's already a status code for "payment required", but nobody uses it < 1405443420 124330 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was intended for paywalls, presumably to stop the wall itself being cached rather than the page behind it < 1405443487 400597 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody uses it because it's only reserved < 1405443551 937604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if they do require additional auth, allowing it to work over telnet may help too, in addition to HTTP. However, even that isn't quite best way; it is also terrible. < 1405443592 42241 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1405443640 707867 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-127-26.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1405443645 626672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some such access points seem to allow DNS to work without authorizing at first. < 1405443650 733106 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do current browsers treat all unknown 300-class status codes as redirects? if so, that would make things much easier < 1405443655 438509 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: all do. < 1405443671 943732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can simply store all the data you want to access in the DNS records. < 1405443691 586414 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they may, however, intercept the DNS < 1405443710 506738 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :some such APs also allow all traffic other than port 80 through uninterrupted < 1405443711 722677 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are fu < 1405443712 804601 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fun < 1405443720 621981 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for a reverse SSH proxy < 1405443728 190076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intercepting the DNS can cause several problems too. < 1405443897 246245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it also allows everything other than port 80 through uninterrupted, then this helps much (not completely) since you will unlikely access port 80 unless you need a webpage. However, there will then still be the case of accessing files over HTTP in other ways, although this might not be too common over WiFi. Even then, you may be able to use a SSH tunnel or download the file over SSH if you have a remote UNIX shell account somewhere. < 1405443937 168125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This will also allow you to use web browsers that run in text mode or in X, although you can also use any other program, too.) < 1405443945 300754 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405444358 297776 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405445058 358270 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405446025 740346 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised my warriors are still on the hill < 1405446105 301755 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :corewars, or BF Joust? < 1405446111 967283 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF Joust hasn't seen much activity lately < 1405446147 455765 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got frustrated when I got preparation to beat every other program, but not to top the hill < 1405446217 798068 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it and smartlock tend to go back and forth beating each other when me and Oj742 are both active, because the matchup depends on minor details of both programs < 1405446633 740908 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405446710 927140 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys, does any of you happen to know what happens when you try to pop a value in Whitespace, but the stack is empty? < 1405446715 327472 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it throw an error? < 1405446724 385080 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it pop 0? < 1405446737 556214 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :corewar < 1405447018 50671 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: the problem with Whitespace is that it was basically created as an April 1 project (sort-of like a joke, but with more effort going into it), then abandoned < 1405447026 108048 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can track down the original interpreter, it's probably best to test on that < 1405447038 346985 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have, but Haskell won't run it < 1405447058 648667 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says that the module 'IO' is missing < 1405447133 421119 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, bleh, I find that when I try to run old Haskell code, half the modules are in different places < 1405447139 131717 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a relatively simple solution but I can't remember what it is < 1405447153 654674 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any Haskellers here who know? if not, you could probably ask #haskell, they'll almost certainly know < 1405447174 850057 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1405447180 34462 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried looking at the source code just now, but Haskell confuses the heck out of me < 1405447197 367620 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically just a problem with finding the libraries < 1405447201 565962 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, isn't whitespace a really old esolang, like older than haskell? < 1405447208 123628 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1405447218 331259 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original interpreter was written in Haskell < 1405447232 19546 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :main has type "IO ()" in Haskell, so you need a working definition of IO for any program to work < 1405447294 882647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there are only a couple esolangs older than haskell < 1405447298 448326 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a haskeller < 1405447306 291218 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because haskell is old < 1405447311 897352 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if IO is missing something is really broken :) < 1405447316 104419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably compile it with -XHaskell98 or something < 1405447321 81621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it is the module IO. < 1405447327 807601 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1405447329 795310 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's 98? < 1405447339 305638 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be supported by almost any haskell compiler I thought < 1405447341 188846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. if it is missing then you are simply not using an ancient implementation < 1405447347 679199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. it is System.IO etc. now < 1405447353 484888 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1405447356 224925 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the best of my knowledge, the one who made whitespace is the guy in charge of Idris. < 1405447357 276344 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: Whitespace is old by esolang standards, but Haskell is also old by esolang standards < 1405447365 323861 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just doesn't feel that way, because Haskell's not an esolang < 1405447367 854881 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I thought ghc will find it anyway < 1405447374 604652 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people don't normally compare it to esolangs age-wise < 1405447375 319646 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, if he's actually using ghc) < 1405447395 464885 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1405447398 579349 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc doesn't use the old names for modules unless you tell it to < 1405447401 928928 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I forget how to tell it to < 1405447402 128774 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using ghc < 1405447404 312276 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell98 is a hidden package < 1405447418 20559 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when is that? o_O < 1405447428 635528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did you start using haskell? < 1405447434 160847 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :years ago < 1405447437 610562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is quite possibly before then < 1405447439 220044 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the mere name "Haskell98" is a clue as to how old it is < 1405447443 203655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell98 has been hidden for a long time < 1405447456 124256 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do I un-hide it? < 1405447457 117388 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say 6 years ago or something < 1405447457 765172 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I found some of my own old Haskell code, it had unqualified module names < 1405447459 310064 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got thirty years of experience in haskell < 1405447469 136076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: what... no way < 1405447474 281587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: if it was written after 2002, you were just out of date :) < 1405447475 387841 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell isn't even that old, is it? < 1405447479 296925 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's a parody < 1405447482 546518 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2014 - 30 < 1405447484 52402 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1984 < 1405447490 463884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is 25 years old. < 1405447492 822483 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I know, wait, I have a link for that < 1405447494 508654 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of people who hire job requirements asking for implausible amounts of experience in new technologies < 1405447500 459953 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: yep < 1405447509 35283 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's entirely believable < 1405447528 228476 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started esolanging with Malbolge and INTERCAL a little over seven years ago < 1405447529 655964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: -XHaskell98 -package haskell98 might work. < 1405447530 644312 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=956436 < 1405447549 729727 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1405447578 312347 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2014 - 25 < 1405447579 684251 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1989 < 1405447592 268344 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1405447595 303021 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I do that? < 1405447599 958874 :evalj!~jeval@5400FB99.dsl.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1405447602 39162 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] 2014 - 25 < 1405447602 287183 :evalj!~jeval@5400FB99.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1989 < 1405447605 758374 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just says 'Prelude' and doesn't do anything < 1405447631 318147 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1405447657 671440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it just says "Prelude". < 1405447664 506254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you told me what it actually says I might be able to help < 1405447701 795018 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says "Prelude>" and then when I type what you just said it says "Not in scope: data constructor 'XHaskell98'" < 1405447733 931251 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that means it doesn't exist < 1405447734 552408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc -XHaskell98 -package haskell98 foo.hs < 1405447736 50295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use ghci < 1405447742 916968 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :taht < 1405447751 19485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:q to exit it) < 1405447816 451437 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it says "Ambiguous module name 'Prelude': it was found in multiple packages: base haskell98-2.0.0,2" < 1405447823 975527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, add -hide-all-packages < 1405447833 89750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :before -package haskell98 I think < 1405447876 369837 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405447884 923205 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it worked < 1405447910 391022 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the file I ran for Whitespace just said it compiled a VM and then shut off :P < 1405447951 884942 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it created files VM.hi and VM.o < 1405447989 345422 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION found the Idris implementation of Whitespace, but it was last update five months ago and has bitrotted.
< 1405448009 172588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: you want ./VM < 1405448013 367724 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: what version of ghc are you using to compile? and what's the full command line you are using? < 1405448014 256999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless... < 1405448015 959210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc --version? < 1405448021 868340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely you want to do it again but add --make < 1405448034 860470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also, update your GHC first, I think it is roughly ten years old or something < 1405448038 568409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, wait, no < 1405448048 759182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :./VM should definitely exist with those results... < 1405448094 935725 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it created an executable with a different name? < 1405448140 978626 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the initial file was called VM.hs bt < 1405448141 888565 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1405448189 264697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I want to see the output of gcc --version and ls < 1405448193 478155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, ghc --version < 1405448201 360935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I want to see the exact command you ran. b_jonas was right, I was wrong :p < 1405448216 705613 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :version 7.6.3 < 1405448240 671633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, that's good < 1405448257 69037 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I used 'ghc -XHaskell98 -hide-all-packages -package haskell98 VM.hs' < 1405448278 418467 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: try again with --make as an extra switch < 1405448279 775717 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :output was "Compiling VM < VM.hs, VM.o > < 1405448282 983799 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1405448295 621421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, and is there a file called VM? < 1405448297 525634 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :any subsequent attempts to run resulted in no output < 1405448302 805615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ./VM someprogram work? < 1405448314 776621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just compiled VM -- the Whitespace interpreter -- you now need to run it < 1405448316 863579 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure if that helps but it probably doesn't hurt) < 1405448327 403115 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, the Idris implementation only requires ripping out a module the contents of which have been added to the stdlib. < 1405448332 488508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't think a single thing went wrong with compilation < 1405448457 836834 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: possible < 1405448471 202703 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: so can you tell whether there's a file called ./VM or ./a.out or similar? < 1405448537 575636 :Nona!~Anonymous@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405448540 943396 :Nona!~Anonymous@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1405448638 300830 :Anona!~Anona@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405448641 328118 :Anona!~Anona@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1405448641 608033 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the same parameters as before worked with ./VM, but when I input a filename it output nothing when it was supposed to output '6'. < 1405448675 249157 :Anona!~Anona@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405448683 195535 :Anona!~Anona@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1405448707 616742 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's up with the join/part spam < 1405448718 368771 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the timing's too consistent for it to be likely to be a bad connection < 1405448726 182357 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1405448728 76922 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly a broken bot < 1405448729 519777 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: what spam? < 1405448736 126284 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Nona/Anona < 1405448746 568560 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not spam, that was only three connect attempts < 1405448804 792537 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I guess it's the timing < 1405449224 430573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: ./VM should not take any parameters btu the filename < 1405449225 189791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*but < 1405449233 754761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly it should even be ./VM < whitespace.file < 1405449243 827288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, ghc and VM are distinct -- ghc is a Haskell compiler, VM is a whitespace interpreter < 1405449256 932903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the flags you needed were for ghc to turn the source code VM.hs into the whitespace interpreter VM, which has its own arguments < 1405449290 202112 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1405449303 625793 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I try ./VM on its own it gives me an error < 1405449318 169453 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the message? that could be pretty helpful here < 1405449332 674593 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405449355 997437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: you mean you're not psychic...? < 1405449357 467019 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on windows, "'VM' was not recognized as (...) a file' < 1405449359 679819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you ever help anyone on IRC? < 1405449366 658315 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1405449369 99740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: okay, VM.exe whitespaceprog then < 1405449385 967091 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :VM.exe isn't recognized either < 1405449432 984621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what files are listed when you "dir"? < 1405449441 518768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not great at windows < 1405449454 721147 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :VM.hi, VM.hs and VM.o < 1405449463 402521 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all files starting with VM < 1405449474 16074 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1405449562 82093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: ok, I just looked at the whitespace code. < 1405449569 369822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you compiling VM.hs? the main program is main.hs < 1405449570 814113 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so stupid < 1405449572 100832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VM.hs is just one module < 1405449576 527334 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just figured that out < 1405449580 529347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1405449588 596665 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Banging my head on my keyboard right now < 1405449598 38986 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not right now, but I will be when I finish typing < 1405449599 875057 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :'pueuhanisa < 1405449608 177642 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nhmk/': < 1405449617 970135 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to hit the enter key < 1405449621 123269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll become main.exe or something. < 1405449633 129288 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the nose is very exposed actually for that kind of task < 1405449709 348640 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it became main.exe < 1405449826 525661 :^4!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1405450082 301267 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it throws a 'UserError' because it can't pop :P < 1405450090 801491 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I finally know the answer < 1405450156 653861 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a �25 amazon voucher, what should I spend it on? < 1405450210 245503 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it say about me that my initial reaction was "£25 of goods from Amazon", and I was almost about to type it before I realized it was a useless answer < 1405450217 149181 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to saying it /because/ it was a useless answer < 1405450238 973006 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: codex seraphinianus < 1405450248 439490 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :two weeks ago I signed a paper forbidding me to buy stuff from amazon < 1405450255 236365 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, the collected works of iain m banks < 1405450258 990093 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, why? < 1405450277 209096 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about fighting for idnependant bookshops < 1405450297 796837 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the girl from the bookshop is hot) < 1405450309 484766 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: just pay 1 eurocent shipping, surely? < 1405450318 219115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh. < 1405450333 78745 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm assuming this is related to the recent French tax law changes) < 1405450340 532637 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good reason to have an opinion. < 1405450348 836343 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking something like Pearls of Functional Algorithm Design but that is MORE THAN 25 POUNDS < 1405450354 143198 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and Amazon getting round the letter of a law against free shipping) < 1405450381 885782 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1405450396 207870 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do Amazon sell printed copies of the INTERCAL manuals? either of them < 1405450398 766282 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, they should < 1405450411 616700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: I don't think Koen_ plans on adhering to his pledge. < 1405450419 464051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm not sure you can call it an opinion. < 1405450420 943310 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he signed! < 1405450437 956026 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible, given that apparently there are entire publishers who work on automatically generating books on demand from GFDL/CC-by-sa content from Wikipedia < 1405450445 236011 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, doesn't look like it :( < 1405450446 680811 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the INTERCAL manuals are GPL and GFDL respectively < 1405450459 577302 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least I couldn't find it in 10 seconds < 1405450479 617473 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: sure, and wikipedia has some export options built in too, only people never seem to notice that < 1405450481 181529 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, there's a song called "Intercal" on sale for 89¢. < 1405450484 219290 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm completely adhering elliott, or I wouldn't have signed < 1405450498 278969 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :album, even. < 1405450509 341642 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I remember when those rolled out, and use them when I want to download Wikipedia pages for use offline < 1405450509 953444 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has another song entitled "Zilog Z80". < 1405450519 937587 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: prominently labelled as "Print/export: Create a book; Download as PDF; Printable version" < 1405450534 113172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: actively or just by default because you didn't buy anything from amazon anyway? :) < 1405450547 793596 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh well :) < 1405450551 785167 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an api too for machine interaction with mediawiki < 1405450559 323605 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, I don't think I've bought anything from Amazon, unless you count using them as the payment processor for Humble Bundle < 1405450560 26945 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Obfuscated-X-Mas-Intercal/dp/B00ALIHXPQ/ hoo boy. < 1405450570 383459 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I remember the API rolling out, too < 1405450588 125716 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I don't remember these rolling out < 1405450598 154722 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok < 1405450599 223536 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've bought a lot from Amazon. THe last time I bought a book not from Amazon it turned out that the company I bought it from had been bought by Amazon a few years ago. < 1405450604 483280 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and there's Special:Export too < 1405450613 538090 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I know the local used shop uses AMazon to sell off inventory. I guess there's a system for that. < 1405450619 512753 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's used for transferring pages to other wikis, normally < 1405450627 629589 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone can use the export end, but the import end of it requires special admin powers < 1405450627 815328 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazon gets a cut, probably < 1405450635 487252 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I actually had once, but I'm not sure if I ever used them < 1405450641 232476 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems possible that I did, but I can't remember why < 1405450645 814946 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: sure, but the export is useful alone too < 1405450664 550123 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was probably even more useful back when the api didn't exist < 1405450667 637601 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, I didn't < 1405450721 912333 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1405450730 200403 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405450895 130785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've bought a copy of TAOCP from Amazon, which I'll mention because it's a street-credible purchase. < 1405450906 144185 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the English original? < 1405450953 700997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Vols. 1-3 set -- http://www.amazon.com/The-Art-Computer-Programming-Vols/dp/0201485419/ -- because Vol. 4A wasn't out yet. < 1405451016 824213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, you can rent books from Amazon now? < 1405451037 903285 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, my housemate has a copy so I don't think I'll buy that just yet < 1405451046 325281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 1-4A set -- http://www.amazon.com/Computer-Programming-Volumes-1-4A-Boxed/dp/0321751043/ -- sells for $177.26 and rents for $99.25. < 1405451068 425622 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the first bit represents sign, does that mean that '11' means '-1'? < 1405451071 202352 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr JOIN :#esoteric < 1405451083 5836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it's for a one-semester rent, for people who need it as a textbook. < 1405451152 443234 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:f84b:175a:fabd:8b39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405451152 909330 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Useful. < 1405451167 125737 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there classes that actually use taocp as a textbook? < 1405451173 547191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't heard of any. < 1405451185 521455 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be one scary class < 1405451186 860635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds a bit hard-core. < 1405451201 761903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esp. using the entire book. < 1405451254 726249 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1989624 My god. < 1405451287 780278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that ("two courses, each based on different sections of TAOCP volume 4a") makes more sense. < 1405451351 221456 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the author says when he was an undergrad he had a course use vol 1 < 1405451360 336208 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 1973, so < 1405451549 351921 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his courses were fourth-year, sheesh < 1405451555 925294 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:f84b:175a:fabd:8b39 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1405451789 963005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Intercal album also has a song called Cobol on it.) < 1405451912 653260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :album? < 1405452399 413257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shop.central-processing-unit.co.uk/album/intercal < 1405452416 378259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was alluded to, earlier; it's what Amazon returns if one searches for "INTERCAL". < 1405452456 795276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1405452508 136442 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use searches for "INTERCAL" as a quick method of gauging the usefulness of search engines < 1405452533 738316 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I weight them higher if they return more relevant/recent information, and/or if they return relevant pages I haven't seen before < 1405452737 747173 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I still don't know what to spend my Amazon voucher on < 1405452757 274119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :four and a half drugs < 1405452799 533082 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I still don't know what to spend my Amazon voucher on < 1405452808 804327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine, a whole five drugs < 1405452848 429319 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :£25 is that awkward spot where it's not enough for anything really substantive, but too much for something frivolous < 1405452852 483367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this album is pretty good < 1405453018 229077 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405453155 884902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I've heard good things about that Concrete Mathematics book, but it's more than £25 too. < 1405453180 422392 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1405453206 540733 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1405453227 561203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could almost buy "generatingfunctionology", which is probably the funniest name of a textbook on any course I took. < 1405453302 115692 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1405453706 604558 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right, I'm about to order Concrete Mathematics < 1405453816 355673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disclaim all responsibility if it turns out to be a pile of horse manure. < 1405454173 216531 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^3 < 1405454234 328148 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :generatingfunctionology is also free online... < 1405454256 945127 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess a free download is an "almost buy". < 1405454292 506961 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, does anybody know about sound waves? I'm trying to figure out where a sqrt(2) factor comes from in getting a wave's amplitude to match a dB SPL. < 1405454400 64390 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/eglin-air-force-base-busted-gaming-reddit.html < 1405454521 987957 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_influence_on_public_opinion < 1405454676 224497 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1405454742 914033 :evalj!~jeval@5400FB99.dsl.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1405455356 354206 :nooodl!~nooodl@1.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1405455784 312675 :nooodl!~nooodl@1.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1405456240 363050 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405456389 857078 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1405456984 199092 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1405457735 734533 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405457770 658351 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1405457825 468627 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1405458023 701393 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1405458041 243465 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1405458041 432459 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1405458439 464104 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405458439 688383 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-eqobykzoiooysajn QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405458440 34467 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405458440 315878 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405458449 683384 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU JOIN :#esoteric < 1405458453 169692 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1405458474 220149 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1405459008 871331 :Patashu!Tenmu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1405459165 279274 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1405459429 900637 :Patashu!Tenmu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1405459983 665964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405460491 193065 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1405460516 501090 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1405460577 360698 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405460763 377157 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-yejogiajvxtynodx JOIN :#esoteric < 1405461898 167795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1405462293 974803 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405462419 525217 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1405462535 227654 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1405463168 222530 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1405463277 23934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had KANGASKHAN [Lv.40] in their bench, with a lot of damage on it but also a lot of energy, and I couldn't remove it normally so instead I switched to GENGAR [Lv.38] in order to sacrifice it and defeating their card at the same time, and then use POKEMON FLUTE to put it back with no energy and then activate CLEFAIRY [Lv.15] again in order to reactivate KANGASKHAN [Lv.40]. And then use ENERGY REMOVAL again once they attached another energy car < 1405463393 961061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, now he ran out of cards. < 1405463519 312749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is the only of their cards that I knocked out.) < 1405463597 476616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is really a game of positional tactics. < 1405463711 777202 :^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405463873 200425 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1405464033 973076 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405464398 39647 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does the Gameboy game allow multiple retreats a turn? I forget < 1405464479 479506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes; that is a standard rule of Pokemon Card. < 1405464492 205640 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1405464520 907547 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pokemon Card GB2 uses all of the normal rules, except that you do not get the choice to draw two more cards if your opponent starts the game with no basic pokemon cards in their hand. < 1405464523 180720 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes cards having a retreat cost of 0 interesting < 1405464585 510640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know. It becomes especially useful if you are then confused or sand or something like that. < 1405464636 351725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, of course, if the retreat cost is zero this also mean it is more difficult to take back any recycle energies which are attached to it. < 1405464652 635406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are several ways around that. < 1405464805 12238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try to see my fifth Pokemon Card puzzle by now? < 1405465078 181931 :^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405465096 999072 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I don't think I've tried it, or at least not solved it < 1405465299 473008 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1405465376 106879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then see if you can figure out anything of it. < 1405465470 381235 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405465481 401238 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 NICK :Bicyclidine < 1405465673 436543 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405465853 171379 :^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405465869 620956 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, pretty sure I prefer Sinatra to the poorly thought out clone in Haskell called Scotty < 1405465879 227048 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Simple may be more expressive < 1405466138 124073 :^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405466182 269265 :^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405466253 715549 :impomatic_!~digital_w@46.208.70.76 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405466286 901220 :impomatic_!~chatzilla@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net NICK :impomatic < 1405466475 192402 :^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1405466939 808381 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405467016 316714 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1405467316 879706 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405467621 564996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Night < 1405468090 201867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you write music using undertone scales? < 1405468324 640365 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405468347 330427 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up with esolangs.org? < 1405468358 695450 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not working at all for me for some reason. < 1405468363 777731 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is dead. very dead. < 1405468369 713277 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, everything else. < 1405468384 261438 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, how in heck will I be able to go to the pages? < 1405468417 366896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... not sure what kind of answer you're expecting there < 1405468437 993451 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, is there any way I can go back and look at the wiki in its former glory again? < 1405468443 101272 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pages, they are also dead. Gregor may resuscitate them some time soon. < 1405468450 516015 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are they dead? < 1405468464 409875 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hosting problems. a whole host of problems. < 1405468540 47060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I would call cloudatcost a whole host of problems < 1405468558 416768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: you can use google cache or web.archive.org or whatever for now. there are backups of the wiki too. but this is just temporary < 1405468705 613327 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds