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The former more so, but the latter has a lot of people too 01:11:32 Just another example of Ruby philosophy? 01:11:58 have you considered reading dennett? hegel? malebranche 01:12:51 I do want to read Dennett at some poiint 01:14:42 -!- edwardk has joined. 01:23:37 -!- MoALTz has joined. 01:25:03 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:01:40 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com). 02:06:15 -!- tromp has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:14:25 -!- Sorella has quit (Quit: It is tiem!). 02:23:12 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 02:26:03 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:32:55 -!- copumpkin has joined. 02:41:29 http://codepad.org/YDyb2w13 02:41:43 This code working as I expected seems to be calming me down, oddly enough 02:42:09 -!- conehead has quit (*.net *.split). 02:42:09 -!- Bike has quit (*.net *.split). 02:42:09 -!- fungot has quit (*.net *.split). 02:42:09 -!- Deewiant has quit (*.net *.split). 02:43:01 -!- Bike has 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"language" I made for communicting lcd information between arduinos. Whoever can make sense of this gets extra points. (Hint: The second file is the code for "Hello, World!") 12:33:26 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98841263/lcd4884_command_list_new.txt https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98841263/lcd4884_hello_world_new.txt 12:35:24 please advise 12:42:29 -!- Sorella has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:43:12 -!- Sorella has joined. 12:49:48 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 12:52:25 -!- Patashu has joined. 12:53:44 -!- ^v has joined. 12:54:25 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 13:06:09 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 13:07:58 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:13:37 hey guys I made a language and I want some feedback on it :P 13:13:39 https://github.com/TieSoul/Befunk 13:14:00 spoilers: It's very similar to Befunge 13:17:22 TieSoul_: it's almost an encoding of Befunge-98 into images? 13:17:30 with a few changes to allow for the fact that it's now non-textual? 13:17:34 almost 13:17:36 yeah 13:17:38 basically 13:18:03 in that case, my opinion is that it's basically an input encoding 13:18:11 have you tried converting Mycology to an image and running that on it? 13:18:25 that's the usual test for Funge-alikes 13:18:32 -!- fungot has joined. 13:18:33 It's almost impossible to convert Befunge to Befunk 13:18:47 i was just about to say it's probably best that fungot isn't here to hear about this travesty 13:18:47 oerjan: i just added a few items already was quite obvious that he doesn't have the best of both worlds. 13:19:09 (as in, fungot entered just as i'd finished the line) 13:19:09 oerjan: being reminds me of the running man. reinstalling all your stuff is annoying 13:20:19 fungot: can you convert into befunk? 13:20:19 olsner: ( he was actually worried it would " not last". 1) 13:20:26 Sadly, you can't make a working fungot without fingerprints. 13:20:26 fizzie: ( define y ' () evaluates to a non-empty list which it is meaningful to modify the fingerprint and add a clause for abstractions, applications, etc 13:21:03 hmm, how common is it for fungot to mention a word from its trigger? 13:21:04 olsner: ye gads... 13:21:58 olsner: it only does it at random 13:22:04 there's no specific trigger lookup 13:22:10 I'm sure you could computed the expected value for it, however. 13:22:24 I know, I was more wondering how often it happens accidentally 13:22:47 Having "a" in both is probably reasonably common. 13:22:48 shouldn't be too hard to grep thel ogs for it 13:22:50 *the logs 13:23:06 hmm, is "the" less common on IRC than in English generally? it wouldn't surprise me if it were 13:23:10 -!- callforjudgement has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 13:24:01 ais523_: do you count only English irc, or also other languages? 13:24:03 I think I did some counting once. 13:24:11 Anyhoo, modulo some difficulties (figuring out which part is code and which part is data read via g/p), I don't see why it would be impossible to convert (a subset of) Funge-98 programs to Befunk. 13:24:21 do you count all-textspeak-and-emoticons irc? 13:24:26 b_jonas: I guess I count only Freenode, which is not 100% English, but is very-high-percentage English 13:24:51 I don't know 13:24:56 fizzie: characters that are used in both stringmode and normal mode? 13:25:05 actually, I wonder if Mycology does that at all 13:25:09 I think it does at least with spaces 13:25:40 ais523_: Those would be problematic, as would be characters that are both executed and read via g. 13:26:08 this sort of ambiguity was intentional in catseye's specs, I think 13:26:14 because he wanted to make Befunge as hard to compile as possible 13:26:19 (Except when they've read with g only to be written with p and executed again, in which case the exact value does not matter.) 13:26:26 or she, I guess 13:26:55 ais523_: i'm pretty sure cpressey is he hth 13:26:58 this read/execute issue comes up in a lot of languages 13:27:10 it's the main difference between Underload and Underlambda, for instance 13:27:19 not that Underlambda is likely to ever be fully specified at this rate 13:27:32 I've misplaced my script of dumping out fungot's language models in a human-readable format. :/ 13:27:32 fizzie: one could ( more informally) write x(m 1..n) 0 0 13:27:33 -!- ^v has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:27:55 > x(m 1..n) 0 0 13:27:56 :1:6: parse error on input ‘..’ 13:29:44 That can't be right, it's claiming the unigram frequency of "the" is 2/8922315. 13:30:12 fizzie: does it work the "special" words? 13:30:17 *for the 13:32:55 It has sorted the labels alphabetically, but is taking the frequencies from the unsorted list. 13:32:56 now I'm mentally working on the challenge of "create a BF derivative that's as similar to BF as possible while being almost impossible to compile BF programs to" 13:33:25 ideally, one that is obviously curly-L-complete, and not in the HQ9+ sense 13:33:55 (I love the fact that esolang technology has developed so much that I can write sentences like that and have a decent chance of people knowing what I mean) 13:33:56 I just did that with Befunge :P 13:34:01 TieSoul_: yes 13:34:10 though not really intentionally 13:34:14 that's why I started thinking about doing that with BF, which is a harder core to work from 13:34:26 if we accomplish that, next stop is to do it with Thue :-) 13:37:08 Befunk's impossibility is also just for the generic case. I'd wager there are several Befunge programs that'd translate over pretty easily. 13:37:19 Also 3.09% of the tokens in fungot's "irc" model are the word "the". 13:37:19 fizzie: really, it's just totally useless. i'd better go home, else i'll miss the one in scheme48 :) like us? 13:38:20 The corresponding figure for Google's book corpus is between 4.6% to 6.1%, depending on the publication year. 13:38:37 Yeah, most simple Befunge programs (i. e. programs that don't involve stringmode) can be converted quite simply 13:39:01 programs with stringmode can also be converted with slightly more work 13:39:20 Eyeball-extrapolating the trends, I'd estimate the IRC-speak of today is book-writing of 2060 or so, judging from the frequency of "the" alone. 13:39:27 (It's a downward trend.) 13:39:29 and programs with instructions both in and not in stringmode can't be converted 13:44:04 ais523_: what does "curly-L-complete" refer to? 13:45:10 FireFly: GET WITH THE TECHNOLOGY MAN 13:45:10 FireFly: an article on the wiki which I can't link to because I can't type the curly L and can't be bothered to look it up 13:45:20 and also the wiki is down. 13:45:24 -!- ^v has joined. 13:45:35 basically it means that the language can be used to implement at least one interpreter for a TC language 13:45:43 there is some debate about whether or not this means that the language is actually TC 13:45:51 although all TC languages are also curly-L-complete 13:45:51 Ah 13:48:13 oerjan: It's at times like these I'm happy I'm just administering the thing and not actually hosting it. 13:48:56 FireFly: it's basically about whether you should consider code distinct from input when defining TC-ness. (i'm on the "no" side.) 13:49:53 mainly because there are so many TC formalisms where separating code and input makes no real sense. 13:51:03 -!- Froo has quit (Quit: *bubbles away*). 13:51:14 -!- Frooxius has joined. 13:51:35 `unidecode ℒ 13:51:49 HackEgo is also down. 13:51:49 Oh, right, stuff’s down. 13:52:09 Is that the intended curly L though? 13:52:31 Even important stuff, like people's MINECRAFT SERVERS, are down. (I checked Twitter.) 13:52:55 Melvar: yes. googling that with esolang gives the right hit. 13:53:16 why is stuff down 13:53:21 :P 13:53:28 too bad google stopped giving cached pages. 13:53:29 and OHNO MINECRAFT SURVURS 13:53:48 oerjan: There is a cached copy of it. 13:53:53 oerjan: In Google. 13:54:05 well yes, but can you get to it? 13:54:37 Yes, with a browser that doesn't load images or other useless stuff. 13:54:49 Scripts too, I guess. 13:55:03 Given that if it were just images, it probably wouldn't block before rendering something. 13:55:54 (Or possibly it's stylesheets, I don't know what browsers do about those.) 13:56:03 In any case, it loads nicely with w3m. 13:56:34 i only get the translate link on the hit page, which doesn't load. 13:57:19 oh wait that tiny down arrow. 13:57:40 Yes, that's where they've put the cached-page link nowadays. 13:57:51 well i got it now. 13:58:35 "ℒ is not infrequently written as "fancy L", in situations where 'ℒ' is difficult to type." apparently ais523_ used a nonstandard alternative term. 14:06:03 Well, it’s not necessarily curly in every font. 14:06:51 Also, a curly L could also be ȴ (LATIN SMALL LETTER L WITH CURL). 14:08:45 fizzie: I think "curly L" is the normal name for the computability class, if not the letter 14:13:03 ℒ is SCRIPT CAPITAL L btw. 14:31:02 I made a Befunk solution to Euler-1 hidden in an image file which displays the number 233168 :P 14:31:31 which is the solution 14:43:32 -!- ^v has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:49:29 -!- drdanmaku has joined. 14:57:44 -!- ^v has joined. 15:11:46 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 15:12:47 -!- spiette has joined. 15:21:15 -!- not^v has joined. 15:31:20 £ 15:36:18 -!- not^v has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:56:14 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: Restarting router). 15:59:22 -!- FreeFull has joined. 16:20:21 -!- not^v has joined. 16:32:56 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:37:12 -!- shikhout has joined. 16:40:24 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:48:22 I have an idea. a pair of HTTP status codes for Request Interrupted and Resume Request 16:48:43 intended to be used for a transparent auth gateway like on free wifi networks 16:49:03 so that they original request isn't interrupted and the browser can still submit whatever it was submitting 16:49:10 stateful? 16:50:30 only at the client end 16:50:50 coppro: those wifi auth gateways massively confuse my browser, to the extent that I've taken to using w3m for them 16:51:32 -!- not^v has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:51:54 -!- ^v has changed nick to lolbotnetmuch. 16:52:01 -!- lolbotnetmuch has changed nick to ^4. 16:53:23 Bike: if they're stateful, the only state is that the server will give a unique key so that the client can remember which request it's resuming 16:54:06 I don't like those WiFi auth gateways; for one thing they require a web browser, and even if you have one, causes interruption. Better is to use standard WiFi passwords; if agreement to terms of service is required it can be on a separate paper. 16:54:45 zzo38: nowadays they require huge levels of auth 16:54:55 out of several I've used recently, the /least/ they required was an email address 16:55:20 zzo38: That does not cover all use cases 16:55:24 one of them wanted to know email address, physical address, name, mobile telephone number (all required), plus an agreement to let them send me adverts 16:55:35 I couldn't agree to that even if I wanted to, due to not having a mobile phone 16:55:54 It will work fine for, say, a hotel's wifi, but it doesn't work for the case where you are operating a public access point and wish to charge for access 16:55:59 you may not have physical interaction with clients 16:56:43 coppro: there's already a status code for "payment required", but nobody uses it 16:57:00 it was intended for paywalls, presumably to stop the wall itself being cached rather than the page behind it 16:58:07 nobody uses it because it's only reserved 16:59:11 Even if they do require additional auth, allowing it to work over telnet may help too, in addition to HTTP. However, even that isn't quite best way; it is also terrible. 16:59:52 hmm 17:00:40 -!- MoALTz has joined. 17:00:45 Some such access points seem to allow DNS to work without authorizing at first. 17:00:50 do current browsers treat all unknown 300-class status codes as redirects? if so, that would make things much easier 17:00:55 zzo38: all do. 17:01:11 You can simply store all the data you want to access in the DNS records. 17:01:31 they may, however, intercept the DNS 17:01:50 some such APs also allow all traffic other than port 80 through uninterrupted 17:01:51 those are fu 17:01:52 *fun 17:02:00 time for a reverse SSH proxy 17:02:08 Intercepting the DNS can cause several problems too. 17:04:57 If it also allows everything other than port 80 through uninterrupted, then this helps much (not completely) since you will unlikely access port 80 unless you need a webpage. However, there will then still be the case of accessing files over HTTP in other ways, although this might not be too common over WiFi. Even then, you may be able to use a SSH tunnel or download the file over SSH if you have a remote UNIX shell account somewhere. 17:05:37 (This will also allow you to use web browsers that run in text mode or in X, although you can also use any other program, too.) 17:05:45 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 17:12:38 -!- callforjudgement has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:24:18 -!- Bicyclidine has joined. 17:40:25 I'm surprised my warriors are still on the hill 17:41:45 corewars, or BF Joust? 17:41:51 BF Joust hasn't seen much activity lately 17:42:27 I got frustrated when I got preparation to beat every other program, but not to top the hill 17:43:37 although it and smartlock tend to go back and forth beating each other when me and Oj742 are both active, because the matchup depends on minor details of both programs 17:50:33 -!- Lorenzo64 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:51:50 Guys, does any of you happen to know what happens when you try to pop a value in Whitespace, but the stack is empty? 17:51:55 Does it throw an error? 17:52:04 Does it pop 0? 17:52:17 corewar 17:56:58 TieSoul_: the problem with Whitespace is that it was basically created as an April 1 project (sort-of like a joke, but with more effort going into it), then abandoned 17:57:06 if you can track down the original interpreter, it's probably best to test on that 17:57:18 I have, but Haskell won't run it 17:57:38 it says that the module 'IO' is missing 17:58:53 oh, bleh, I find that when I try to run old Haskell code, half the modules are in different places 17:58:59 there's a relatively simple solution but I can't remember what it is 17:59:13 any Haskellers here who know? if not, you could probably ask #haskell, they'll almost certainly know 17:59:34 -!- edwardk has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 17:59:40 I tried looking at the source code just now, but Haskell confuses the heck out of me 17:59:57 it's basically just a problem with finding the libraries 18:00:01 what, isn't whitespace a really old esolang, like older than haskell? 18:00:08 no 18:00:18 the original interpreter was written in Haskell 18:00:32 main has type "IO ()" in Haskell, so you need a working definition of IO for any program to work 18:01:34 b_jonas: there are only a couple esolangs older than haskell 18:01:38 I'm a haskeller 18:01:46 probably because haskell is old 18:01:51 And if IO is missing something is really broken :) 18:01:56 you can probably compile it with -XHaskell98 or something 18:02:01 mroman: it is the module IO. 18:02:07 Yeah 18:02:09 but that's 98? 18:02:19 that should be supported by almost any haskell compiler I thought 18:02:21 yes. if it is missing then you are simply not using an ancient implementation 18:02:27 no. it is System.IO etc. now 18:02:33 I know. 18:02:36 To the best of my knowledge, the one who made whitespace is the guy in charge of Idris. 18:02:37 TieSoul_: Whitespace is old by esolang standards, but Haskell is also old by esolang standards 18:02:45 it just doesn't feel that way, because Haskell's not an esolang 18:02:47 but I thought ghc will find it anyway 18:02:54 so people don't normally compare it to esolangs age-wise 18:02:55 (that is, if he's actually using ghc) 18:03:15 oh 18:03:18 ghc doesn't use the old names for modules unless you tell it to 18:03:21 and I forget how to tell it to 18:03:22 I am using ghc 18:03:24 haskell98 is a hidden package 18:03:38 Since when is that? o_O 18:03:48 when did you start using haskell? 18:03:54 years ago 18:03:57 it is quite possibly before then 18:03:59 actually, the mere name "Haskell98" is a clue as to how old it is 18:04:03 haskell98 has been hidden for a long time 18:04:16 so how do I un-hide it? 18:04:17 I'd say 6 years ago or something 18:04:17 elliott: I found some of my own old Haskell code, it had unqualified module names 18:04:19 i've got thirty years of experience in haskell 18:04:29 Bicyclidine: what... no way 18:04:34 ais523_: if it was written after 2002, you were just out of date :) 18:04:35 haskell isn't even that old, is it? 18:04:39 b_jonas: it's a parody 18:04:42 > 2014 - 30 18:04:44 1984 18:04:50 haskell is 25 years old. 18:04:52 ais523_: I know, wait, I have a link for that 18:04:54 of people who hire job requirements asking for implausible amounts of experience in new technologies 18:05:00 ais523_: yep 18:05:09 elliott: that's entirely believable 18:05:28 I started esolanging with Malbolge and INTERCAL a little over seven years ago 18:05:29 TieSoul_: -XHaskell98 -package haskell98 might work. 18:05:30 ais523_: http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=956436 18:05:49 -!- nycs has joined. 18:06:18 > 2014 - 25 18:06:19 1989 18:06:32 erm 18:06:35 how do I do that? 18:06:39 -!- evalj has joined. 18:06:42 ] 2014 - 25 18:06:42 b_jonas: 1989 18:06:45 It just says 'Prelude' and doesn't do anything 18:07:11 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 18:07:37 I doubt it just says "Prelude". 18:07:44 if you told me what it actually says I might be able to help 18:08:21 it says "Prelude>" and then when I type what you just said it says "Not in scope: data constructor 'XHaskell98'" 18:08:53 I guess that means it doesn't exist 18:08:54 ghc -XHaskell98 -package haskell98 foo.hs 18:08:56 don't use ghci 18:09:02 taht 18:09:11 (:q to exit it) 18:10:16 Now it says "Ambiguous module name 'Prelude': it was found in multiple packages: base haskell98-2.0.0,2" 18:10:23 okay, add -hide-all-packages 18:10:33 before -package haskell98 I think 18:11:16 -!- Koen_ has joined. 18:11:24 I think it worked 18:11:50 but the file I ran for Whitespace just said it compiled a VM and then shut off :P 18:12:31 and it created files VM.hi and VM.o 18:13:09 * Melvar found the Idris implementation of Whitespace, but it was last update five months ago and has bitrotted. 18:13:29 TieSoul_: you want ./VM 18:13:33 TieSoul_: what version of ghc are you using to compile? and what's the full command line you are using? 18:13:34 unless... 18:13:35 ghc --version? 18:13:41 most likely you want to do it again but add --make 18:13:54 but also, update your GHC first, I think it is roughly ten years old or something 18:13:58 actually, wait, no 18:14:08 ./VM should definitely exist with those results... 18:14:54 maybe it created an executable with a different name? 18:15:40 the initial file was called VM.hs bt 18:15:41 w 18:16:29 ok, I want to see the output of gcc --version and ls 18:16:33 er, ghc --version 18:16:41 and I want to see the exact command you ran. b_jonas was right, I was wrong :p 18:16:56 version 7.6.3 18:17:20 okay, that's good 18:17:37 and I used 'ghc -XHaskell98 -hide-all-packages -package haskell98 VM.hs' 18:17:58 TieSoul_: try again with --make as an extra switch 18:17:59 output was "Compiling VM < VM.hs, VM.o > 18:18:02 " 18:18:15 okay, and is there a file called VM? 18:18:17 any subsequent attempts to run resulted in no output 18:18:22 does ./VM someprogram work? 18:18:34 you just compiled VM -- the Whitespace interpreter -- you now need to run it 18:18:36 (I'm not sure if that helps but it probably doesn't hurt) 18:18:47 Hm, the Idris implementation only requires ripping out a module the contents of which have been added to the stdlib. 18:18:52 b_jonas: I don't think a single thing went wrong with compilation 18:20:57 elliott: possible 18:21:11 TieSoul_: so can you tell whether there's a file called ./VM or ./a.out or similar? 18:22:17 -!- Nona has joined. 18:22:20 -!- Nona has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:23:58 -!- Anona has joined. 18:24:01 -!- Anona has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:24:01 using the same parameters as before worked with ./VM, but when I input a filename it output nothing when it was supposed to output '6'. 18:24:35 -!- Anona has joined. 18:24:43 -!- Anona has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:25:07 hmm, what's up with the join/part spam 18:25:18 the timing's too consistent for it to be likely to be a bad connection 18:25:26 huh 18:25:28 possibly a broken bot 18:25:29 ais523_: what spam? 18:25:36 b_jonas: Nona/Anona 18:25:46 that's not spam, that was only three connect attempts 18:26:44 well, I guess it's the timing 18:33:44 TieSoul_: ./VM should not take any parameters btu the filename 18:33:45 *but 18:33:53 or possibly it should even be ./VM < whitespace.file 18:34:03 again, ghc and VM are distinct -- ghc is a Haskell compiler, VM is a whitespace interpreter 18:34:16 the flags you needed were for ghc to turn the source code VM.hs into the whitespace interpreter VM, which has its own arguments 18:34:50 erm 18:35:03 if I try ./VM on its own it gives me an error 18:35:18 what's the message? that could be pretty helpful here 18:35:32 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 18:35:55 callforjudgement: you mean you're not psychic...? 18:35:57 I'm on windows, "'VM' was not recognized as (...) a file' 18:35:59 how do you ever help anyone on IRC? 18:36:06 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 18:36:09 TieSoul_: okay, VM.exe whitespaceprog then 18:36:25 VM.exe isn't recognized either 18:37:12 what files are listed when you "dir"? 18:37:21 I am not great at windows 18:37:34 VM.hi, VM.hs and VM.o 18:37:43 that's all files starting with VM 18:37:54 Hello 18:39:22 TieSoul_: ok, I just looked at the whitespace code. 18:39:29 why are you compiling VM.hs? the main program is main.hs 18:39:30 I am so stupid 18:39:32 VM.hs is just one module 18:39:36 I just figured that out 18:39:40 :) 18:39:48 Banging my head on my keyboard right now 18:39:58 well, not right now, but I will be when I finish typing 18:39:59 'pueuhanisa 18:40:08 nhmk/': 18:40:17 it's hard to hit the enter key 18:40:21 it'll become main.exe or something. 18:40:33 also the nose is very exposed actually for that kind of task 18:41:49 yeah it became main.exe 18:43:46 -!- ^4 has changed nick to ^v. 18:48:02 oh, it throws a 'UserError' because it can't pop :P 18:48:10 now I finally know the answer 18:49:16 I have a 25 amazon voucher, what should I spend it on? 18:50:10 what does it say about me that my initial reaction was "£25 of goods from Amazon", and I was almost about to type it before I realized it was a useless answer 18:50:17 as opposed to saying it /because/ it was a useless answer 18:50:38 Taneb: codex seraphinianus 18:50:48 two weeks ago I signed a paper forbidding me to buy stuff from amazon 18:50:55 Taneb, the collected works of iain m banks 18:50:58 Koen_, why? 18:51:17 something about fighting for idnependant bookshops 18:51:37 (the girl from the bookshop is hot) 18:51:49 Koen_: just pay 1 eurocent shipping, surely? 18:51:58 sigh. 18:52:13 (I'm assuming this is related to the recent French tax law changes) 18:52:20 a good reason to have an opinion. 18:52:28 I was thinking something like Pearls of Functional Algorithm Design but that is MORE THAN 25 POUNDS 18:52:34 (and Amazon getting round the letter of a law against free shipping) 18:53:01 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 18:53:16 Taneb: do Amazon sell printed copies of the INTERCAL manuals? either of them 18:53:18 if not, they should 18:53:31 Bicyclidine: I don't think Koen_ plans on adhering to his pledge. 18:53:39 so I'm not sure you can call it an opinion. 18:53:40 but he signed! 18:53:57 it's possible, given that apparently there are entire publishers who work on automatically generating books on demand from GFDL/CC-by-sa content from Wikipedia 18:54:05 ais523_, doesn't look like it :( 18:54:06 and the INTERCAL manuals are GPL and GFDL respectively 18:54:19 Or at least I couldn't find it in 10 seconds 18:54:39 ais523_: sure, and wikipedia has some export options built in too, only people never seem to notice that 18:54:41 on the other hand, there's a song called "Intercal" on sale for 89¢. 18:54:44 I'm completely adhering elliott, or I wouldn't have signed 18:54:58 album, even. 18:55:09 b_jonas: I remember when those rolled out, and use them when I want to download Wikipedia pages for use offline 18:55:09 it has another song entitled "Zilog Z80". 18:55:19 ais523_: prominently labelled as "Print/export: Create a book; Download as PDF; Printable version" 18:55:34 Koen_: actively or just by default because you didn't buy anything from amazon anyway? :) 18:55:47 uh well :) 18:55:51 there's an api too for machine interaction with mediawiki 18:55:59 come to think of it, I don't think I've bought anything from Amazon, unless you count using them as the payment processor for Humble Bundle 18:56:00 http://www.amazon.com/Obfuscated-X-Mas-Intercal/dp/B00ALIHXPQ/ hoo boy. 18:56:10 b_jonas: I remember the API rolling out, too 18:56:28 ais523_: I don't remember these rolling out 18:56:38 but ok 18:56:39 I've bought a lot from Amazon. THe last time I bought a book not from Amazon it turned out that the company I bought it from had been bought by Amazon a few years ago. 18:56:44 oh, and there's Special:Export too 18:56:53 Anyway, I know the local used shop uses AMazon to sell off inventory. I guess there's a system for that. 18:56:59 b_jonas: that's used for transferring pages to other wikis, normally 18:57:07 anyone can use the export end, but the import end of it requires special admin powers 18:57:07 amazon gets a cut, probably 18:57:15 which I actually had once, but I'm not sure if I ever used them 18:57:21 it seems possible that I did, but I can't remember why 18:57:25 ais523_: sure, but the export is useful alone too 18:57:44 and it was probably even more useful back when the api didn't exist 18:57:47 nope, I didn't 18:58:41 -!- callforjudgement has quit. 18:58:50 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 19:01:35 I've bought a copy of TAOCP from Amazon, which I'll mention because it's a street-credible purchase. 19:01:46 fizzie: the English original? 19:02:33 The Vols. 1-3 set -- http://www.amazon.com/The-Art-Computer-Programming-Vols/dp/0201485419/ -- because Vol. 4A wasn't out yet. 19:03:36 Huh, you can rent books from Amazon now? 19:03:57 fizzie, my housemate has a copy so I don't think I'll buy that just yet 19:04:06 The 1-4A set -- http://www.amazon.com/Computer-Programming-Volumes-1-4A-Boxed/dp/0321751043/ -- sells for $177.26 and rents for $99.25. 19:04:28 if the first bit represents sign, does that mean that '11' means '-1'? 19:04:31 -!- brrr has joined. 19:04:43 Oh, so it's for a one-semester rent, for people who need it as a textbook. 19:05:52 -!- not^v has joined. 19:05:52 Useful. 19:06:07 are there classes that actually use taocp as a textbook? 19:06:13 I haven't heard of any. 19:06:25 would be one scary class 19:06:26 Sounds a bit hard-core. 19:06:41 Esp. using the entire book. 19:07:34 http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1989624 My god. 19:08:07 Well, that ("two courses, each based on different sections of TAOCP volume 4a") makes more sense. 19:09:11 the author says when he was an undergrad he had a course use vol 1 19:09:20 in 1973, so 19:12:29 and his courses were fourth-year, sheesh 19:12:35 -!- not^v has quit (Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif). 19:16:29 (The Intercal album also has a song called Cobol on it.) 19:18:32 album? 19:26:39 http://shop.central-processing-unit.co.uk/album/intercal 19:26:56 It was alluded to, earlier; it's what Amazon returns if one searches for "INTERCAL". 19:27:36 nice 19:28:28 I use searches for "INTERCAL" as a quick method of gauging the usefulness of search engines 19:28:53 I weight them higher if they return more relevant/recent information, and/or if they return relevant pages I haven't seen before 19:32:17 ...I still don't know what to spend my Amazon voucher on 19:32:37 four and a half drugs 19:33:19 ...I still don't know what to spend my Amazon voucher on 19:33:28 fine, a whole five drugs 19:34:08 £25 is that awkward spot where it's not enough for anything really substantive, but too much for something frivolous 19:34:12 this album is pretty good 19:36:58 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:39:15 Taneb: I've heard good things about that Concrete Mathematics book, but it's more than £25 too. 19:39:40 -!- tromp has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:40:06 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 19:40:27 You could almost buy "generatingfunctionology", which is probably the funniest name of a textbook on any course I took. 19:41:42 Heh 19:48:26 fizzie, right, I'm about to order Concrete Mathematics 19:50:16 I disclaim all responsibility if it turns out to be a pile of horse manure. 19:56:13 -!- ^v has changed nick to ^3. 19:57:14 generatingfunctionology is also free online... 19:57:36 i guess a free download is an "almost buy". 19:58:12 Anyway, does anybody know about sound waves? I'm trying to figure out where a sqrt(2) factor comes from in getting a wave's amplitude to match a dB SPL. 20:00:00 http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/eglin-air-force-base-busted-gaming-reddit.html 20:02:01 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_influence_on_public_opinion 20:04:36 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 20:05:42 -!- evalj has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:15:56 -!- nooodl has joined. 20:23:04 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 20:30:40 -!- tromp has joined. 20:33:09 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 20:43:04 -!- callforjudgement has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:55:35 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 20:56:10 -!- callforjudgement has changed nick to ais523. 20:57:05 -!- edwardk has joined. 21:00:23 -!- Patashu has joined. 21:00:41 -!- Patashu_ has joined. 21:00:41 -!- Patashu has quit (Disconnected by services). 21:07:19 -!- pikhq has quit (*.net *.split). 21:07:19 -!- Burton has quit (*.net *.split). 21:07:20 -!- olsner has quit (*.net *.split). 21:07:20 -!- maurer has quit (*.net *.split). 21:07:29 -!- maurer has joined. 21:07:33 -!- pikhq has joined. 21:07:54 -!- olsner has joined. 21:16:48 -!- Patashu has joined. 21:19:25 -!- Patashu_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 21:23:49 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 21:33:03 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:41:31 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 21:41:56 -!- spiette has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:42:57 -!- boily has joined. 21:46:03 -!- Burton has joined. 22:04:58 -!- oerjan has joined. 22:11:33 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:13:39 -!- pikhq has joined. 22:15:35 -!- ais523_ has quit (Quit: Page closed). 22:26:08 -!- conehead has joined. 22:27:57 They had KANGASKHAN [Lv.40] in their bench, with a lot of damage on it but also a lot of energy, and I couldn't remove it normally so instead I switched to GENGAR [Lv.38] in order to sacrifice it and defeating their card at the same time, and then use POKEMON FLUTE to put it back with no energy and then activate CLEFAIRY [Lv.15] again in order to reactivate KANGASKHAN [Lv.40]. And then use ENERGY REMOVAL again once they attached another energy car 22:29:53 There, now he ran out of cards. 22:31:59 (That is the only of their cards that I knocked out.) 22:33:17 This is really a game of positional tactics. 22:35:11 -!- ^v has joined. 22:37:53 -!- shikhin has joined. 22:40:33 -!- shikhout has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:46:38 zzo38: does the Gameboy game allow multiple retreats a turn? I forget 22:47:59 FireFly: Yes; that is a standard rule of Pokemon Card. 22:48:12 Okay 22:48:40 Pokemon Card GB2 uses all of the normal rules, except that you do not get the choice to draw two more cards if your opponent starts the game with no basic pokemon cards in their hand. 22:48:43 It makes cards having a retreat cost of 0 interesting 22:49:45 Yes, I know. It becomes especially useful if you are then confused or sand or something like that. 22:50:36 But, of course, if the retreat cost is zero this also mean it is more difficult to take back any recycle energies which are attached to it. 22:50:52 There are several ways around that. 22:53:25 Did you try to see my fifth Pokemon Card puzzle by now? 22:57:58 -!- ^v has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:58:16 Hm, I don't think I've tried it, or at least not solved it 23:01:39 -!- Bicyclidine has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 23:02:56 Then see if you can figure out anything of it. 23:04:30 -!- Bike_ has joined. 23:04:41 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bicyclidine. 23:07:53 -!- Sgeo has joined. 23:10:53 -!- ^v has joined. 23:11:09 Ok, pretty sure I prefer Sinatra to the poorly thought out clone in Haskell called Scotty 23:11:19 Although Simple may be more expressive 23:15:38 -!- ^v has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:16:22 -!- ^v has joined. 23:17:33 -!- impomatic_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:18:06 -!- impomatic_ has changed nick to impomatic. 23:21:15 -!- ^v has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 23:28:59 -!- myname has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:30:16 -!- Bicyclidine has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 23:35:16 -!- metasepia has joined. 23:40:21 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Night). 23:48:10 Can you write music using undertone scales? 23:52:04 -!- JWinslow23 has joined. 23:52:27 What's up with esolangs.org? 23:52:38 It's not working at all for me for some reason. 23:52:43 it is dead. very dead. 23:52:49 also, everything else. 23:53:04 Well, how in heck will I be able to go to the pages? 23:53:37 I'm... not sure what kind of answer you're expecting there 23:53:57 As in, is there any way I can go back and look at the wiki in its former glory again? 23:54:03 the pages, they are also dead. Gregor may resuscitate them some time soon. 23:54:10 Why are they dead? 23:54:24 hosting problems. a whole host of problems. 23:55:40 yes, I would call cloudatcost a whole host of problems 23:55:58 JWinslow23: you can use google cache or web.archive.org or whatever for now. there are backups of the wiki too. but this is just temporary 23:58:25 -!- JWinslow23 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds).