00:03:04 I am probably not going to implement printing, since the Famicom does not even have a printer (although it may be possible to invent a printer protocol using the tape port, but nothing currently exists as far as I know). Not implementing output to printer would probably speed it up too. 00:10:12 There is actually a common-ish printer output format on Famiclones. 00:11:13 O, I didn't know that. What is it, and is it compatible with the Famicom keyboard? 00:11:31 Furthermore, do any emulators support this? 00:11:42 Actually, yes. Said Famiclones use (basically) the Famicom keyboard as well.. 00:12:07 But what is the format? 00:12:09 Basicqally, a couple of parallel port lines are address mapped on the cartridge port, so that certain memory reads can be used to bit-bang LPT. 00:12:16 http://133fsb.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/famicom-compatible-printer-port-interface/ 00:12:26 I don't know of any emulators that do it though. 00:13:48 Perhaps not the best way of doing it, but hey. It's actually in the wild. 00:14:21 Well, if it exists, it would make sense to use a compatible protocol, I suppose. 00:14:55 And it would be fairly simple to use the same mechanism in a more "legit" Famicom or NES cart. 00:15:14 As it only uses lines that are on the cartridge port, you could just have a weird cartridge with a parallel port on it. 00:17:21 Yes, I think that would work. 00:18:29 There are similar things existing too; the FDS cartridge has a serial port on it, and I have also heard of a cartridge with Christmas lights on it. 00:40:48 What month is it 00:40:55 july 00:42:38 ramadan hth 00:45:12 Sweet, that means the new marvel film in like 11 days 00:45:20 Also my house gets internet tomorrow! 00:49:57 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 01:07:32 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:11:22 -!- edwardk has joined. 01:17:20 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Maybe sleep). 01:22:11 -!- nooodl has joined. 01:28:43 -!- Sorella has quit (Quit: It is tiem!). 01:42:54 Random trivia: I live on (National Cycle) Route 66 02:01:56 -!- idris-bot has quit (Quit: Terminated). 02:23:20 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 02:29:37 -!- Bike_ has joined. 02:32:21 -!- Bike has quit (Disconnected by services). 02:32:23 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 05:43:02 -!- shikhin has joined. 05:51:33 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 06:40:07 -!- ^v has changed nick to ^4. 06:52:37 -!- Patashu has joined. 06:53:06 -!- Patashu_ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 06:56:47 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 06:59:58 -!- Patashu has joined. 07:02:56 -!- Patashu_ has joined. 07:02:56 -!- Patashu has quit (Disconnected by services). 07:07:02 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 07:32:51 mciSendString "Set CDAudio Door Open", 0&, 0&, 0&: MsgBox "Error: Insert cup in cup holder and press any key." 07:42:54 -!- shikhout has joined. 07:46:16 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:47:54 -!- shikhin has joined. 07:50:28 -!- shikhout has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:52:57 -!- shikhout has joined. 07:53:59 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 07:54:02 zzo38: nice 07:56:31 -!- shikhout has changed nick to shikhin. 08:01:08 -!- Patashu_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:01:28 -!- Patashu has joined. 08:05:17 Do you know how to do the exact cycle emulation of a 6502 core (including unofficial opcodes)? 08:09:10 -!- Patashu has quit (Disconnected by services). 08:09:10 -!- Patashu_ has joined. 08:13:13 elliott: ? 08:13:57 elliott: looks like the dump can't be downloaded anymore? 08:15:13 and I only have a few days rotation 08:15:41 I probably should change the script to not delete old files after there are only 3 files left :) 08:22:39 4 day rotation 08:23:08 I don't have any dumps anymore if that was the question 08:24:06 which is weird, since the last error occured at 2014-07-18 08:24:31 but I don't see any entries from 07-15, 07-16, 07-17 08:24:50 -!- MoALTz has joined. 08:32:37 -!- brrr has quit (Quit: Cya!). 08:34:21 My svn mirror is also broken 08:34:28 but it uses the voxelperfect thingy 08:34:33 which is probably too old 08:36:35 Hrm. It restored all pages but the Main Page, and when I tried to restore that one manually, "A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software." 08:44:30 Perhaps I'll try running update.php and hope it fixes the dattabase. 08:45:49 Oh, it would have been there in the history, too; just the new default main page was "on top" of it. 08:45:53 Oh well. 08:52:06 Okay, the new copy should be up, but it'll again take a whole lotta time for DNS changes to propagate. In the meanwhile, you could try http://fail.esolangs.org/ 08:53:46 I can't edit that read only version of the wiki. It keeps complaining and giving an error :-( "The database has been locked for maintenance, so you will not be able to save your edits right now" 08:56:39 "I can't edit that read only version of the wiki" ... 09:00:36 -!- Patashu has joined. 09:04:02 -!- Patashu_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 09:05:55 -!- Patashu has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:06:06 -!- Patashu has joined. 09:06:08 Unfortunately, the read-only version is read-only. 09:11:30 -!- drdanmaku has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 09:19:38 "There are 2 registered users, but most of them are spambots." 09:30:52 -!- idris-bot has joined. 10:06:45 -!- vifino has joined. 10:08:50 Thank you for the read-only version :P 10:10:48 is esolangs.org meant to point there? 10:10:50 because it doesn't, for me 10:16:12 doesn't for me either 10:16:40 "it'll again take a whole lotta time for theDNS changes to propagate" 10:18:32 oh, I didn't see that it required a DNS change. 10:19:11 -!- atehwa has joined. 10:20:25 fizzie: you can regenerate recent changes 10:20:29 there's a script in maintanence/ for it 10:23:46 -!- oerjan has joined. 10:25:08 Any native english speakers present at this moment? 10:26:53 hvem vet 10:27:26 * oerjan has been known to correct the english of native speakers on occasion, though. 10:27:37 mroman: yes 10:28:10 * oerjan fails to remember whether he has corrected elliott, although probably, this is irc after all. 10:28:15 "a walking shamefully man saw an under a grave burried dog" 10:28:21 [ ] grammatical [ ] not grammatical 10:28:37 [*] awful 10:28:46 :) 10:29:09 or a shamefully walking man (should that be the problem) 10:29:16 and it's supposed to be awful, but still grammatical 10:29:23 original does not parse, correction parses 10:29:33 it took me reading the correction to figure out what the first was meant to be 10:29:47 or my guess would be something like "a walking ashamed man" which isn't quite the same (but mostly I'd be confused) 10:29:50 elliott: I ran it after the import, but perhaps running update.php re-messed it up. 10:29:56 also "grave burried dog" isn't quite right either. 10:30:09 dog burrito 10:30:33 Oh, or possibly it's because of the 91-day $wgRCMaxAge. 10:31:18 elliott: it's (under a grave burried) dog 10:31:24 It's a dog that's burried under a grave 10:31:29 at least, it's supposed to be that way :) 10:31:32 okay, well, it's buried, but also that doesn't parse. 10:31:36 grave-buried might, I guess 10:31:40 it's a very weird thing to say 10:31:42 ok. 10:31:46 a shamefully walking man and a buried dog under a grave? 10:31:54 would be grammatical 10:31:57 I'd just say a buried dog, personally. 10:32:07 yeah, me too 10:32:10 those weird and their grammar germans 10:32:12 but using the same words 10:32:24 so english really doesn't allow to describe words that way 10:32:27 I'm shocked :( 10:32:33 thank god that it doesn't 10:32:47 it would be really weird in English 10:33:01 mroman: it's just that english is head initial with less complicated descriptions than german is 10:33:11 I can't figure out how to make Special:RecentChanges show anything older than a month, and since the dump I imported is from way back, it's pretty much empty. 10:33:18 fizzie: oh, I see. 10:33:23 I was under the impression that it's "unusual" but still grammatical 10:33:41 mroman: your original sentence is definitely too messed up for me to class as valid 10:33:43 One thing: Multiple words usually can't be used to describe a verb (i. e. "a buried under a grave dog" is invalid) 10:33:45 mroman: what you need to do is to get a medium and ask a victorian 10:33:47 (Putting "days=180" in the URL does show changes, if you're curious as to where it stopped.) 10:33:53 it sounds like google translate output 10:34:02 TieSoul_: you can do "a buried-under-a-grave dog" though 10:34:20 yeah 10:34:28 hyphens solve all your problems 10:34:31 somewhat 10:34:33 which wouldn't make a difference when spoken 10:34:40 because speech doesn't really have hyphens :D 10:34:44 a walking-shamefully man saw a buried-under-a-grave dog 10:34:52 that's... "valid", I guess 10:34:56 walking-shamefully? 10:34:58 I wouldn 10:35:01 t 10:35:01 I guess that's not valid, yeah. 10:35:04 say that's valid 10:35:13 I hit the enter key accidentally :P 10:35:15 but compare "a dying-painfully man"? 10:35:17 I dunno. 10:35:21 it's less awful than the original sentence. 10:35:21 painfully-dying 10:35:23 yeah. 10:35:55 so 10:36:04 a man walking shamefully saw a dog buried under a grave. head initial, i said! 10:36:05 "a shawefully walking man saw a dog burried under a grave" 10:36:11 that would be the not messed up version 10:36:18 buried*, shamefully* 10:36:25 and yes 10:36:25 :D 10:36:29 shavefully 10:36:33 btw, "shamefully walking" is sitll pretty weird. 10:36:40 not really 10:36:49 it's walking in shame? 10:36:50 at least, I don't think it is 10:36:59 it's walking... shamefully. 10:37:37 I don't know 10:37:47 maybe he dropped his fork 10:37:54 anyway, shamefully walking works 10:37:55 and is now shamefully walking towards the door to leave the room? 10:37:59 it's valid 10:38:37 and while walking towards the door he sees a video on the TV about a dog being buried? :P 10:38:44 it's valid, it's just a weird thing to say. in general. the sentence. 10:38:48 (because dropping the fork is really embarrasing in his country) 10:39:00 the sentence. it means nothing! 10:39:36 mroman: you just need to do like the finns and make it into a competitive sport hth 10:41:12 george bernard was walking shawefully 10:42:31 I move we extend the severily limited english sentence structure 10:42:37 mroman: too bad with your seven years of bad luck 10:42:48 with a german-ish sentence structure . 10:43:30 it's 200% as efficient 10:43:33 i think that a very bad idea be would 10:44:36 *that that 10:45:26 fizzie: so what's with "oppia" becoming "opin"? 10:45:55 hm what's that called in english 10:46:27 anyway it's because -ppi- is an open syllable but -pin is a closed one 10:47:26 is this a special case of some general rule 10:47:28 yes 10:47:31 you drop double letters in some cases? 10:47:38 not that simple 10:47:47 of course not 10:48:30 but consonants have two different forms dependent on whether they are followed by a syllable ending in a vowel or a consonant. 10:49:00 sometimes one form is "" 10:49:01 See: consonant gradation. 10:49:07 that was the word 10:49:21 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consonant_gradation#Finnish explains it a little bit. 10:50:03 Or maybe the bit isn't all that little. 10:51:15 (But again, you don't need to think it through, because "oppin" just sounds wrong, while "opin" doesn't.) 10:53:23 that's your oppinion 10:53:42 how will i get a sense of what sounds wrong 10:54:07 just be born in finland hth 10:54:38 tdnh hth 10:54:55 Also don't leave early like a coward but stick with it. 10:55:00 "Thus, not all weak grades occur in closed syllables, nor do all strong grades occur in open syllables." darn 10:55:17 shachaf: it's even _more_ complicated than i thought hth 10:55:22 fizzie: :'( 10:57:38 my conclusion is that finnish somehow manages to be agglutinative but still a mess at the same time 10:59:23 oerjan: Well, you know, it would make things too easy for foreign devils if we just stuck on suffixes willy-nilly. 10:59:45 OKAY 11:00:02 what words are good words to use as examples to try to put grammar together 11:00:11 without too many special cases and things 11:00:36 koira hth 11:00:39 why is "to eat" apparently "syödä"; where does the "dä" come from 11:00:44 I was going to say "koira". 11:01:43 shachaf: search for "modern Finnish infinitive ending" in the article fizzie linked 11:02:13 it actually explains that with the similar word "juoda" 11:02:29 Alternatively, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_verb_conjugation#Infinitive_I 11:02:56 (It mentions "syödä".) 11:03:12 fizzie: ok but my link explains how it happened historically 11:04:32 i'd add a wisdom about koira if HackEgo were here :( 11:05:32 so the answer is "sometimes it's there for historical reasons"? 11:05:52 also what about a vs. ä? 11:06:01 well _that_ is vowel harmony. 11:06:26 harmony with the ö? 11:06:27 common to all uralic languages i think 11:06:40 And the y. 11:06:55 sYÖdÄ, jUOdA. 11:06:58 so the idea is that all the weird vowels go together? 11:07:11 They're not weird, they're front vs. back. 11:07:29 except ie is counted as neutral. 11:08:00 they are foreign to my ears and mouth :'( 11:08:30 the ones that exist in french were foreign-ish in my 4th grade french class 11:09:02 Yes, and the harmony is normally determined by first syllable, except if that has only neutral vowesl, then later syllables can decide it too. 11:10:16 it would be easier if i had followed fizzie's net advice 11:11:32 shachaf: well if it can help, i have the opposite problem; i have trouble distinguishing all of english's vowels that seem to me like variations on "o". 11:12:02 which ones? 11:12:15 the back rounded ones hth 11:12:54 is this a clever self-referential sentence where it's the pronunciation of "rounded" and "ones" which is problemantic 11:13:13 also i speak english with a noticeable accent so i'm no authority 11:13:18 ok 11:13:19 i also speak hebrew with a noticeable accent 11:13:29 there is no language that i sound like a native speaker in anymore 11:15:23 sad 11:22:30 -!- yorick has joined. 11:27:42 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 11:44:34 < mroman> with a german-ish sentence structure . – Good luck reintroducing cases. 11:53:28 -!- nooodl has joined. 11:56:02 lambda cases 11:57:36 http://yle.fi/uutiset/finnair_admits_it_flies_over_ukraine_after_pr_blunder/7363384 12:04:38 -!- ais523__ has joined. 12:06:41 -!- ais523___ has joined. 12:06:41 -!- TieSoul_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:07:44 -!- TieSoul has joined. 12:08:36 -!- boily has joined. 12:08:49 -!- ais523__ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 12:09:59 -!- ais523___ has changed nick to ais523__. 12:57:35 -!- Sorella has joined. 13:16:58 -!- mhi^ has joined. 13:30:52 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: Rebooting). 13:35:17 -!- FreeFull has joined. 13:45:27 Melvar: You don't need cases 13:45:35 -!- mhi^ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 13:45:37 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 13:45:50 I saw the given to the man bird. 13:45:53 there. no cases required. 13:47:22 that's not german structure, the given is far too early 13:48:00 I didn't say it has to be exactly like german 13:48:03 Oh, I expected a germanish structure to include shoving phrases around for focus. 13:48:18 no 13:48:23 just adnominal phrases 13:48:39 the to the man given bird saw i 13:49:02 Okay then. 13:49:05 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 13:49:13 like 13:49:23 * Melvar recalls “downgeloadet”. 13:49:33 the under the bridge driving through truck had no problem eating the yesterday bought sandwich. 13:50:00 A truck eating a sandwich? 13:50:07 oh 13:50:13 I meant to say truck driver I guess 13:50:32 mroman crashed into the barn fell 13:50:59 that's oddly ungrammatical 13:51:45 -!- shikhout_ has joined. 13:52:09 mroman crashed into the next to a church located whimsically built barn 13:52:16 mroman: i suggest googling "barn fell" hth 13:52:37 mroman, that doesn't actually work though... 13:52:38 -!- metasepia has joined. 13:52:39 ~duck barn fell 13:52:40 --- No relevant information 13:52:43 -!- mhi^ has joined. 13:52:46 ~metar ENVA 13:52:47 ENVA 201320Z 16009KT 130V190 CAVOK 29/12 Q1018 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 17014KT 13:53:00 oh 13:53:19 the horse (raced past the barn) fell 13:53:19 i am wondering if i would i have been better turning the ventilation _off_ earlier today when it was still cool 13:53:20 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 13:53:22 yeah see 13:53:26 your sentence structure sucks ;D 13:53:43 mroman: um it was a joke duh 13:53:46 the past the barn raced horse fell 13:53:51 that wouldn't have that problem ;) 13:54:13 mroman: you realize that sentence is constructed precisely to _have_ that problem 13:54:19 Yes. 13:54:28 good, good 13:54:57 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 13:56:58 I the cave cave in 14:02:07 my sanity. it is disappearing at an alarming rate. 14:02:31 -!- mhi^ has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 14:03:58 I'm sure somebody wrote a book with only garden path sentences 14:04:57 ~metar CYUL 14:04:57 CYUL 201300Z 16003KT 30SM SCT150 BKN180 BKN240 23/15 A3016 RMK AC4AC1CI1 SLP214 DENSITY ALT 700FT 14:05:07 boily: not because of heat, i take 14:15:00 -!- shikhout_ has changed nick to shikhin. 14:21:43 oerjan: because you guys are unusually grammatical today hth 14:22:36 htd 14:24:04 -!- ais523___ has joined. 14:25:40 -!- ais523__ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 14:25:50 -!- ais523___ has changed nick to ais523__. 14:29:13 -!- yorick has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:32:22 -!- Lorenzo64 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:37:51 ~metar EFHK 14:37:51 EFHK 201420Z 31006KT 9999 FEW040TCU BKN200 23/17 Q1018 NOSIG 14:44:38 -!- boily has quit (Quit: NOSIG CHICKEN). 14:44:40 -!- metasepia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:47:12 -!- Lorenzo64 has joined. 14:52:00 ~metar LOWI 14:52:08 oh. 15:18:20 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 15:23:16 -!- yorick has joined. 15:23:40 -!- nooodl has joined. 15:41:51 -!- kryCHa has joined. 15:42:17 -!- kryCHa has quit (Client Quit). 15:54:45 -!- ais523__ has quit (Quit: Page closed). 16:29:17 -!- ais523 has joined. 16:30:49 -!- ^4 has changed nick to ^v. 17:03:29 -!- mhi^ has joined. 17:41:52 -!- Frooxius has joined. 17:47:46 -!- Lorenzo64 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 17:53:47 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 17:54:16 -!- ais523_ has joined. 18:19:14 -!- Lorenzo64 has joined. 18:50:52 -!- ais523 has joined. 18:52:12 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 18:55:56 -!- Tritonio has joined. 18:58:17 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 18:59:52 -!- nortti has changed nick to lawspeaker. 19:01:22 -!- lawspeaker has changed nick to nortti. 19:07:49 -!- Lorenzo64 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 19:25:42 -!- nortti has changed nick to lawspeaker. 19:26:00 -!- lawspeaker has changed nick to nortti. 19:27:06 -!- not^v has joined. 19:32:33 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 19:49:21 -!- not^v has changed nick to everyone. 19:49:32 -!- everyone has changed nick to ^3. 19:49:47 -!- ^3 has changed nick to ^4. 19:51:27 -!- shikhout has joined. 19:54:37 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 19:56:36 -!- boily has joined. 20:05:33 -!- metasepia has joined. 20:08:29 -!- vifino has quit (Quit: Ze Cat now leaves...). 20:14:06 -!- not^v has joined. 20:17:17 -!- ^4 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 20:18:51 -!- not^v has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 20:19:46 -!- ais523 has joined. 20:29:17 -!- zzo38 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:42:11 -!- Tritonio has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:43:26 -!- mhi^ has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 20:59:59 -!- Patashu has joined. 21:00:21 -!- Patashu has quit (Disconnected by services). 21:00:21 -!- Patashu_ has joined. 21:00:57 -!- zzo38 has joined. 21:03:15 -!- brrr has joined. 21:03:37 -!- Patashu_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:03:50 -!- Patashu has joined. 21:06:11 -!- nooodl has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:06:22 -!- nooodl has joined. 21:09:52 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:23:19 -!- oerjan has joined. 21:24:20 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:29:57 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 21:33:06 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 21:42:05 oh, there's a readonly wiki now 21:43:08 *gasp*! 21:45:38 b_jonas, I can't see it? 21:46:06 Taneb: strange 21:47:10 How to make an array of function pointers in a C program? 21:48:37 zzo38: int (*foo[123])(int, char *) or something? 21:49:50 OK 21:54:38 Taneb: You can try http://fail.esolangs.org/ if you still have the old address for plain esolangs.org somewhere in a DNS cache. 21:55:17 fizzie, thanks 21:55:41 Also typedef int func(int, char *); func *foo[123]; may be more readable. (The "array of function pointers" isn't so bad, but the "function returning a pointer to function" is nastier.) 21:56:56 It's int (*foo(int))(char); for a function called "foo" that takes an int, and returns an int (*)(char). 22:05:25 I find that easy to read now because I internalised declaration-follows-use :/ 22:05:47 I do think typedef is probably more clear, too and is generally how I do it 22:06:20 Some of the syntax features in C for type specifications are a bit stupid. 22:06:59 I ought to actually learn C at some point 22:07:17 I started writing a program called "nanozil" which is compiling into Z-machine code and now you can write such thing as: [DEFINE GETP [[CUSTOM-VALUE 17 1 #$]]] is how a macro can be made up. 22:14:02 -!- drdanmaku has joined. 22:27:45 -!- ais523 has quit. 22:28:03 -!- ais523_ has quit (Quit: Page closed). 22:42:55 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:53:16 -!- edwardk has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 22:56:20 -!- TodPunk has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 23:25:16 Haneb 23:25:30 how're the categories going 23:42:10 Taneb: Learn C and learn Rust 23:43:21 I think Taneb fell asleep in another chännel... 23:43:43 then combine them into the revolutionary language Crust 23:44:54 eat a hot dog. like a real good one, grilled, with like, mustard and shit. 23:45:20 i don't think shit goes well with hot dogs Bike 23:45:44 that's a disgusting thing to say, sir 23:46:20 yo Bike. Yike 23:46:49 i am sorry sir, but the disgustible matter was all in your original comment 23:46:52 -!- fowl has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds).