< 1404172823 183521 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404173399 188378 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-184-244-109.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404173591 976556 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404173697 971149 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1404174235 809874 :mhi^_!~mhi@cable-95-168-137-234.cust.telecolumbus.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1404175536 554442 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404178612 90785 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404178616 254718 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404179406 97536 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404179418 409863 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404179637 477244 :Speed`!~Speed@evile.thrash.im QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404179719 309768 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pub fn drop(_x: T) { } < 1404179765 195536 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1404179770 989598 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1404179781 431744 :Speed`!~Speed@evile.thrash.im JOIN :#esoteric < 1404179843 959183 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404179844 103610 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404179935 46238 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404179947 173217 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404180162 589102 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404180236 693257 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404180613 160156 :SteppenwolfVM!~miauwuff@unaffiliated/steppenwolfvm JOIN :#esoteric < 1404180618 126072 :SteppenwolfVM!~miauwuff@unaffiliated/steppenwolfvm PART #esoteric :"Oh, look! It's a part!" < 1404181470 166812 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404181559 244952 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404181571 715315 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404181923 183717 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404181925 581969 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404182067 75678 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404182067 219966 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404182158 35074 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404182167 115588 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404182223 443123 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1404182786 397798 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404182786 542185 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404183590 635620 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1404183735 311799 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404184412 470392 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404184643 211656 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1404185123 47101 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-75-142.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404185308 705776 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-75-142.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404185464 55467 :aretecode!~aretecode@S01061859339e5f51.cc.shawcable.net QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo < 1404187039 912366 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1404187285 72243 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yay, more of C++'s good ideas being ported over. This is the only other language I've heard of that actually realizes how amazing RAII is." < 1404187327 157484 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No class is established by its own action, even though its ascent is organized and accompanied by a conscious struggle. This holds true for the new class in Communism." < 1404187353 300646 :nooodl!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404187891 292506 :Speed`!~Speed@evile.thrash.im QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404187891 887887 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404187892 205409 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@athedsl-19405.home.otenet.gr QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404187892 205527 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404187892 383601 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404187892 680635 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404187893 174701 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404187893 174875 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404187893 480669 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404187895 53755 :yiyus_!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404187896 264340 :newsham_!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404187896 586230 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404187896 744987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404187897 81744 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404187897 265151 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404187897 752804 :hubs!hubs@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe69:46d3 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404187898 304004 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404187898 671580 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404188575 296779 :Speed`!~Speed@evile.thrash.im JOIN :#esoteric < 1404188575 465796 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404188575 465912 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@athedsl-19405.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1404188575 465976 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1404188575 466038 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1404188575 466101 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404188575 466161 :yiyus_!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1404188575 466222 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1404188575 466284 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404188575 466345 :newsham_!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404188575 466407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1404188575 466467 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404188575 466529 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1404188575 466589 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404188575 466649 :hubs!hubs@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe69:46d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404188575 466708 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1404188575 466884 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404188870 985812 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1404188977 665475 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1404189090 747024 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1404189116 798084 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404189579 49723 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1404189587 445640 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1404189745 851649 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404190506 318579 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICE: http://is.gd/k9RWn9 < 1404190551 439878 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :intrusion countermeasure electronics < 1404190564 991414 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job, though < 1404190877 669440 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39994&oldid=39938 5* 03204.16.68.130 5* (+10) 10 < 1404190922 67250 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07C++14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39995 5* 03204.16.68.130 5* (+8) 10Created page with "Fuck C++" < 1404190987 493256 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :incredible satire < 1404191267 314112 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404191336 955703 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1404191563 37394 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ehird 5* 10deleted "[[02C++10]]": I can't wait for the third time I delete this page < 1404191568 669150 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39996&oldid=39994 5* 03Ehird 5* (-10) 10Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/204.16.68.130|204.16.68.130]] ([[User talk:204.16.68.130|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:GermanyBoy|GermanyBoy]] < 1404192462 240402 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^0 < 1404195766 480789 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-75-142.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404197677 580759 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@athedsl-19405.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404198145 30444 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404198162 448924 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404198376 105825 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Isaacg 5* 10New user account < 1404198882 59625 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1404200232 972477 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404200492 62724 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404200581 970536 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404200913 104357 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goooooooooooood morning < 1404200983 516776 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pyth14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39997 5* 03Isaacg 5* (+1705) 10Created page < 1404201125 180169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good anti-morning < 1404201166 414205 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pyth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39998&oldid=39997 5* 03Isaacg 5* (+334) 10 < 1404201268 279234 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404201411 491551 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello Taneb < 1404201412 154142 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1404201426 129895 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/hello < 1404201426 603366 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo Hello < 1404201437 448964 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/hi < 1404201438 42318 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl \ $_ = (join " ", @ARGV) || `words`; s/^\s+|\s+$//g; print "Hi $_. "; if (/[aeiouyAEIOUY]/) { s/^[^aeiouyAEIOUY]*/H/; } else { s/^./H/; } print "$_."; < 1404201445 687442 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hii Taneb < 1404201446 359595 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: hii: not found < 1404201447 686314 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi Taneb < 1404201448 202657 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Taneb. Haneb. < 1404201618 53500 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404201796 860121 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1404202759 273244 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pyth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39999&oldid=39998 5* 03Isaacg 5* (+108) 10Adding link to compiler < 1404202780 640353 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40000&oldid=39992 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+269) 10/* Esoteric language for ROM interpreter? */ < 1404202973 144847 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pyth14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40001&oldid=39999 5* 03Isaacg 5* (+44) 10 < 1404203443 459686 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404205345 575239 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero < 1404206100 347683 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1404206251 801666 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404206270 102198 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404206339 138746 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404207400 952641 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1404207461 25474 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404207598 472167 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1404208285 769561 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404209710 963999 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404209896 704856 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1404210129 210266 :nooodl!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404211498 807574 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404213145 335784 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1404213221 2041 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404213647 726477 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1404213681 255947 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404214261 328013 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( `(Z) < 1404214261 766271 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04P (04DCon 040 040) (04NS (04UN 04"Z") 04[04"Nat"04, 04"Prelude"04]) (04P (04TCon 040 040) (04NS (04UN 04"Nat") 04[04"Nat"04, 04"Prelude"04]) 04Erased) : 12TT < 1404215008 727519 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1404215285 569309 :ais523_!93bcc175@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404215699 671 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404215903 573086 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404216131 142094 :ais523_!93bcc175@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Changing host < 1404216131 286467 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404216538 172916 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1404217539 154740 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1404217549 106046 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404218065 845335 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero < 1404218148 985774 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1404219144 388372 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404219346 785176 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404219389 304093 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1404220571 897836 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404220573 385944 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404221053 222562 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40002&oldid=39988 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+1160) 10/* Terminology, System cards and System card machines */ new sections < 1404221614 819839 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40003&oldid=40002 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+190) 10/* Imperative code */ FIRST and LAST expressions < 1404221931 13368 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40004&oldid=40003 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+98) 10/* LAYOUT DIVISION */ reserved words < 1404222862 960716 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404225184 726111 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404226902 522767 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero < 1404227190 661397 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40005&oldid=39883 5* 03Maxdefolsch 5* (+235) 10/* Optimizing implementations */ Simple BrainFuck Interpreter < 1404227191 368565 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1404227266 606518 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1404227520 795785 :nooodl_!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404227733 554055 :nooodl!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404227736 635467 :nooodl_!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1404227836 536731 :^0!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :v^ < 1404227839 292885 :v^!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1404228740 11573 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404228944 636858 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1404229543 873023 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404229557 811470 :nooodl_!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404229774 928623 :nooodl!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404229826 930608 :nooodl_!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1404230131 702195 :axtens!~axtens@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404230677 963022 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1404230784 853127 :axtens!~axtens@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1404231444 595929 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.... they've requested an A for my bachelor thesis :) < 1404231514 589553 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A's require formal approval from the university) < 1404231558 798687 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1404231566 808640 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. profs can't giv you an A without approval of the university) < 1404231593 800339 :nooodl!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool! < 1404231620 360708 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming A is the highest possible mark) < 1404231634 937539 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :We conventiently use numbers :) < 1404231788 547980 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, tentative congratulations < 1404231826 924955 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404231850 488207 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404231866 994622 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1404232441 812722 :aretecode!~aretecode@173.192.170.114-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404233029 31022 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404233246 810914 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404233314 319858 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404233495 283342 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: nice! and what is it a thesis on? < 1404233613 323009 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-75-142.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404233750 417508 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1404233943 698439 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1404233946 298785 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-19405.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1404233991 538991 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: QUINTHELLOPIAAAAAAAAAA! < 1404234591 856884 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: parallel crowd simulation < 1404234831 844573 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds modernartingly ambiguous... < 1404234872 666080 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, you just say they're a liquid crystal and go from there < 1404234883 805009 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was about parallelizing a pedestrian simulation model. < 1404234958 936491 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense. what kind of scale? like, a few millions here and there? < 1404234991 976624 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The goal was to beat 15k < 1404234997 207794 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :we ended up at 1 Mio. < 1404235014 925634 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, that's on a grid of 10 computers < 1404235039 69296 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need 14,999 more mios < 1404235064 732446 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for misreading ;) < 1404235111 243508 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want your simulated mio to be lonely < 1404235120 243218 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda? < 1404235141 99011 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, terrible person < 1404235184 900635 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the parallonely mios, being simulated... < 1404235188 298974 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm arresting you for crimes against animes < 1404235270 70192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We go 1-5 for master's theses, and I think 5 might've needed to be separately okay'd by some person of authority. < 1404235329 674969 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slow claps with a pair of wooden cubes < 1404235361 261029 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is mio actually used for millions in english at all < 1404235417 603216 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as a unit indicator in the financial markets" supposedly < 1404235566 367077 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How common is a executable file smaller than a C source code of the program? < 1404235578 624434 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's ur distribution < 1404235595 139460 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( well-documented code ) < 1404235741 523965 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404235782 778029 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: don't know @Mio < 1404235797 648903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I am not so sure; 192 lines contain comments out of 1939 in total. < 1404235824 340746 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I think it is probably a good number of comments and that how many comments is a good number depends much on the program. < 1404236006 409245 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: even without comments or large char array constants, a lot of things don't have to be larger than their C equivalent when compiled. x++; with some luck, could become a single byte. I've never really thought about it. < 1404236055 375051 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, it does seem like that to me. I have also used -s -O2 and marked any subroutines used only once as inline. < 1404236095 547974 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, the program is AmigaMML and the source code is 55353 bytes long and the executable is 45568 bytes long. < 1404236100 918944 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc is a lossy compression algorithm < 1404236148 591205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it only lossy if you do stuff which is undefined? < 1404236162 801711 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: don't try maintaining the binary just because it's smaller < 1404236162 946255 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Like, it might not preserve variable names. < 1404236198 704208 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :whitespace, comments, order of statements ... < 1404236217 74288 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1404236219 407025 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, of course it won't preserve variable names and that kind of stuff, although the program's function is preserved. < 1404236219 804122 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could definitely come up with semi-pathological examples that hit the pigeonhole. like preprocessor wonderfulness, obv < 1404236240 9969 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ironically marking the functions as inline made the source code larger < 1404236243 625823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless it is undefined) < 1404236250 955220 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, a few bytes, I know < 1404236279 625674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Of course I don't try maintaining the binary just because it's smaller; it isn't cross-platform, for one thing! < 1404236290 61214 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's some more loss then. < 1404236299 95036 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could write an emulator < 1404236304 387292 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, that was just silly. < 1404236393 915579 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course there are programs that run on emulators. When writing a program for Famicom I will use assembly language, which is of course going to be much larger than the binary (unless it includes stuff to generate a lot of stuff before writing out the ROM image) < 1404236434 863740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have two programs, AmigaMML and Amigasam; the second one has smaller source-codes than executable. < 1404236459 729578 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC even copies part of functions to different locations afaik < 1404236465 465163 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*parts < 1404236479 830613 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :For alignment stuff and relative jumps etc. < 1404236526 889237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I can see how it helps. Due to optimization, it might hardly resemble the source-codes at all. < 1404237175 481204 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404238995 358564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macros and cross-platform are two of the important reasons by optimizations are needed. < 1404238998 692554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/LdXG the attack of the Perl module dependencies. < 1404239058 867036 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who the hell rips german movies to provide it with chinese subtitles < 1404239087 684537 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who have a chinese subtitle fetish? < 1404239111 962221 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, look at that diǎn stroke, baby!) < 1404239207 37526 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably easier to rip an english movie and then provide chinese subtitles < 1404239244 729228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to combine poker game with chess game, but now I realized, actually the way I need to do is different: combine poker with Sirlin's chess, shogi, and Washizu mahjong. < 1404239245 428182 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because the english movies are usually released months before the german one < 1404239398 961584 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fun thing about chinese characters is < 1404239412 136871 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they don't look weird anymore once you studied a language that has those < 1404239545 360334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also mahjong, which is also using Chinese writing on the tiles. < 1404239568 980084 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can learn Chinese numbers and compass. < 1404239882 660783 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404240597 342441 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-246.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404240706 832119 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-215-85.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404241506 391295 :eldoeldo!~eldoeldo@net-2-36-106-173.cust.vodafonedsl.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1404242230 662012 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1404242728 724343 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1404242976 724176 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do i have to do to re-export methods from an imported module in haskell? < 1404242994 456551 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40006&oldid=40004 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+2451) 10/* Extensions, VISCIMs and other implementations */ more about RS-SYCPOL + implementations section < 1404242998 951923 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am getting a series of strange linking errors and i do think it might be related to that < 1404243052 505393 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not, that would give you compile errors about importing things that weren't exported < 1404243189 843479 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here are a bunch of messages like ".text+0x...): undefined reference to `projectname0zi2zi0zi0zi_ImportedModule_Importedstuff_clusure` < 1404243194 896386 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*there are < 1404243252 765970 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never seen such thing < 1404243313 264360 :eldoeldo!~eldoeldo@net-2-36-106-173.cust.vodafonedsl.it PART #esoteric :"Leaving..." < 1404243315 89745 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, clean and rebuild? < 1404243384 2461 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cleaning seem to do the trick < 1404243386 547635 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1404243427 178518 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the build-problem equivalent of turning it off and on again < 1404243460 894492 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, cleaning does NOT do the trick < 1404243502 405113 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you just said it did < 1404243510 530282 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it did < 1404243521 257875 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they come up pretty late at compiling < 1404243523 668531 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, surely there must be a way of telling aptitude to upgrade everything except a couple of packages without putting those packages on hold in a separate command?! < 1404243570 377019 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :synaptic lets you select upgrades individually, maybe the text-gui in aptitude does too? < 1404243747 38084 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you referring to the staging screen in aptitude where you can review what's going to be updated? < 1404243770 656478 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, haven't used it in ages < 1404243884 327477 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does. < 1404244083 995489 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: uhm. ok, thanks, I feel stupid now. < 1404244159 951937 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell, man < 1404244193 566571 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what to do with these errors < 1404244217 97774 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I guess the question mark in the [Y/n/?] prompt was too subtle for me. < 1404244305 996914 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always expected ? to just explain that y means yes and n means no < 1404244343 608291 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404244346 868607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily has aptitude aptitude < 1404244392 371482 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily brings the cow powers < 1404244434 537913 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and re: the aptitude text ui: "Play Minesweeper", seriously?! < 1404244440 777774 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet! < 1404244445 459342 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweat! < 1404244714 969051 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aptitude is da bomb. have a debiubuntan machine somewhere that you need to update? bam! aptitude. < 1404244745 691604 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I concur. the weather's horrible right now, and my AC is having trouble catching up. < 1404244762 882392 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-easvfmzoxlxfough JOIN :#esoteric < 1404244811 599224 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1404244812 237204 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 011900Z 18009KT 12SM BKN055TCU OVC220 31/23 A2962 RMK TCU5CI3 SLP031 DENSITY ALT 2300FT < 1404244840 320804 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungotting thirty one. July 1st. we're going to have one hell of a hot summer... < 1404244840 769411 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: still at it, especially fnord is interesting and very broadly applicable discussions that never reach the wider audience they deserve. < 1404244891 460017 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a bunch of TCUes incoming from the south. it's gonna hit hard, if it does. < 1404245170 818377 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that I've checked what those cow powers are, I realized why I forgot about it since last time I checked < 1404245204 529689 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you do to get rid of information you no longer need? < 1404245204 674368 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: emacs lisp for a while < 1404245219 640786 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ō_Ō. < 1404245241 302474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1404245242 14261 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 011950Z 30005KT 9999 -RA FEW008 OVC060 12/11 Q1010 NOSIG < 1404245246 162614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 here. < 1404245273 707539 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're saying twenty (20!) next week, though. < 1404245316 246089 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar LOWI < 1404245316 577017 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 011950Z 27003KT 230V290 9999 FEW060 BKN100 15/13 Q1018 NOSIG < 1404245329 508740 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :26 yesterday, 20 today < 1404245348 683543 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other day they were saying that the russian heat is coming in, followed by the russian cold < 1404245370 193505 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote fungot: what do you do to get rid of information you no longer need? olsner: emacs lisp for a while < 1404245370 446091 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i could never manage to use it as described in sicp to support backtracking, but it < 1404245371 802777 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1209) fungot: what do you do to get rid of information you no longer need? olsner: emacs lisp for a while < 1404245386 282529 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: but it? < 1404245386 948522 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yubn etc i mean that you are still up since the fnord and their ilk. if you wrote fnord for three hours. great way to represent lists until you have one? does danvy have one? < 1404245498 539282 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's a yubn? < 1404245498 698182 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: your keyboard does not know any better. < 1404245523 876792 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: seems like yours neither, you fungot. < 1404245524 130164 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but i'm pretty much like some secluded grove. just say your grandmother is a pretty odd thing to say... < 1404245528 901631 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1404245617 962073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Secluded grove is a very good description of fungot. < 1404245618 143436 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it would rock even more if i could < 1404245642 340268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, if only. < 1404245674 176006 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahoily! < 1404245734 262048 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you ever visit the west coast? < 1404245760 407499 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what to do on cyclic dependencies in haskell modules? < 1404245772 763207 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait for backpack < 1404245779 166088 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :use hs-boot files? < 1404245780 180611 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Break out the loop! < 1404245780 842148 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :write .hs-boot files < 1404245789 412259 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i.e.? < 1404245789 556797 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :despair! < 1404245791 702153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :backpack? < 1404245806 925959 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's apparently a new module system being developed in ghc < 1404245813 324986 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404245820 810142 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an extension to the existing one, I guess < 1404245867 251156 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I went once, in... eh... < 1404245878 29921 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION counts on his fingers < 1404245879 744732 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/7.8.2/html/users_guide/separate-compilation.html#mutual-recursion < 1404245883 505366 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: ^^ < 1404245890 749920 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I think it was in '98. < 1404245905 898579 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow, I have friends who live on the West Coast now, in like Liverpool < 1404245954 664305 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you must have a lot of fingers < 1404246021 148915 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: he has more than enough knuckles < 1404246029 938769 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: more seriously, just change the code so that there are no dependency loops < 1404246062 624620 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier said than doen < 1404246113 862655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually easily done, too, it's just ugly < 1404246114 202212 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that was a long time ago. you should go again. < 1404246115 747415 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, ghc is not mart enough to build boot files itself < 1404246178 607264 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I only use some at a time. I keep others filed in a cabinet. < 1404246215 899464 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i could use some more. can you mail me a few? < 1404246244 966130 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1404246261 606830 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if customs consider spare human fingers to be in the same category as yak cheese... < 1404246312 534162 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt they'll notice < 1404246438 427182 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'mma do NaNoGenMo this month < 1404246460 500424 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NaNoGenMo? < 1404246471 538631 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :National Novel Generation Month? < 1404246474 773000 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1404246479 438250 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :see that < 1404246484 124350 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a public commitment < 1404246486 908214 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to now < 1404246496 441822 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I do believe human remains (usually) have special custom rules < 1404246500 805294 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a computer generated novel? < 1404246558 686937 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dial R for Ravens is a computer-generated novel! < 1404246727 939347 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like this contest already. < 1404246962 411660 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40007&oldid=39886 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+5641) 10/* Performance Matrix */ < 1404247029 662718 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh a performance matrix update! < 1404247178 636139 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404247424 988957 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Performance matrix of solidity? < 1404247512 747849 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1404247522 394554 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the best performance matrix on the wki < 1404247622 989689 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes, that thing < 1404247651 467590 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must confess I have not been paying too much attention to the the wiki recently < 1404247851 305223 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The four simultaneous matrices of solidity in each rotation < 1404248594 734769 :roark!~roark@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404248711 151994 :roark!~roark@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1404249025 813927 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404249911 612356 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404251052 360459 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1404251054 134748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1404251715 840672 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40008&oldid=39996 5* 03137.69.117.54 5* (+11) 10Added Pyth < 1404251828 447845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is drawing a blank at the most recent yafgc comic. < 1404251970 189003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the forum seems still to be working < 1404251978 257375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't visited that before < 1404252036 330273 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need more trousers < 1404252061 2866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When I try to go to the comic page, I get a lovingly rendered image of a polar bear eating vanilla ice cream in a snowdrift..." < 1404252076 415302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds about right < 1404252313 390750 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [| 0 |] < 1404252314 805405 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:2: parse error on input ‘|’ < 1404252355 778412 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( `(0) < 1404252355 991605 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04App (04App (04App (04P 04Ref < 1404252356 136103 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : (04NS (04UN 04"fromInteger") 04[04"Classes"04, 04"Prelude"04]) < 1404252356 136264 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : (04Bind (04UN 04"a") < 1404252356 136358 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : (04Pi (04TType (04UVar 04-1))) < 1404252356 136449 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : (04Bind (04UN 04"class") (04Pi (04App (04P (04TCon 04144 041) (04NS (04UN 04"Num") 04[04"Classes"04, 04"Prelude"04]) 04Erased) (04V 040))) (04Bind (04UN 04"__pi_arg") (04Pi (04TConst 04BIType)) (04V 042)))))14↵… < 1404252390 130144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to find the most expansive command < 1404252410 954704 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1404252440 13852 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (\`(fromInteger ~n) => n) `(0) < 1404252440 177626 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:27:When elaborating an application of constructor 04__infer: < 1404252440 322138 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable scty < 1404252451 584626 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( ` < 1404252451 733763 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:1: error: no implicit < 1404252451 878268 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : arguments allowed < 1404252451 878414 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : here, expected: ":", < 1404252451 878505 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : dependent type signature, < 1404252451 878594 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : end of input14↵… < 1404252488 296480 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`( ) is a quasiquotation, since a few days ago. < 1404252488 834809 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: (: not found < 1404252508 900857 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( `(()) < 1404252509 83769 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04P (04DCon 040 040) (04MN 040 04"__II") (04P (04TCon 040 040) (04MN 040 04"__Unit") (04TType (04UVar 046))) : 12TT < 1404252517 602780 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( `(`(0)) < 1404252517 805607 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:3: error: no implicit < 1404252517 950111 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : arguments allowed < 1404252517 950267 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : here, expected: dependent type signature < 1404252517 950356 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`(`(0)) < 1404252517 950446 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1404252518 377555 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: (`(0)): not found < 1404252529 481515 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsk. < 1404252599 368857 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1404252612 349723 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404252621 387584 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. The guy when questioned didn’t manage to come up with a reason that nested quasiquotes shouldn’t work. But for now they don’t. < 1404252638 524522 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably the most verbose quotation i've ever seen < 1404252844 322639 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-26.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1404252844 503648 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-26.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1404252844 503788 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1404252849 148254 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s the compiler’s internal representation of terms, with all the types and implicit arguments and universe levels and other cruft filled in properly. < 1404252902 132203 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :representation of syntax might be more... usable, is all < 1404253022 111498 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for the usecase this is for, apparently. < 1404253060 113551 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1404253204 317226 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404253288 855566 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404253509 501066 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a couple of things that allow you to use idris functions on reflected terms for compiler things, but pattern matching on the reflected terms is painful, so now we have quasiquotations to make it easy. < 1404253864 203153 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval "Does it work? One two one two chicken" < 1404253865 27508 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Does it work? One two one two chicken" < 1404253874 273325 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yé ^^ < 1404253900 898487 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( `(()) < 1404253901 67104 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04P (04DCon 040 040) (04MN 040 04"__II") (04P (04TCon 040 040) (04MN 040 04"__Unit") (04TType (04UVar 046))) : 12TT < 1404253909 216368 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( `(() : Type) < 1404253909 360746 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04P (04TCon 047 040) (04MN 040 04"__Unit") (04TType (04UVar 046)) : 12TT < 1404253983 199132 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1404254001 379390 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we used surface syntax, overloaded things might also pose a bit of a problem. < 1404254324 929183 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Smallfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40009&oldid=23595 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-59) 10Remove erroneous TC categories, there has been plenty of discussion why this is _not_ TC < 1404254763 247451 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Braktif14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40010&oldid=39969 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+450) 10/* Turing complete etc */ Never meant to be TC < 1404255193 26715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically, the HackEgo announcements seem to have made me visit the wiki less often because now i don't have to do so just to know if there is spam... < 1404255536 783429 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404256043 58789 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pyth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40011&oldid=40001 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+20) 10some proofreading < 1404256572 420128 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404256575 70659 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404256662 370220 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404257870 979704 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dryers! < 1404257874 728470 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They dry things! < 1404257875 642346 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow! < 1404257936 535515 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is genuine excitement) < 1404257942 260246 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've never used a dryer before < 1404257942 899025 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1404258008 19621 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you dry clothes before? < 1404258015 457479 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a clothes horse < 1404258015 602119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : what do i have to do to re-export methods from an imported module in haskell? <-- module ImportingModule (..., module ImportedModule, ...) where import ImportedModule; ... < 1404258019 541307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1404258034 408317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"horse"? < 1404258040 841206 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothes_horse < 1404258051 536462 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, idk, it's what they're called < 1404258079 705894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic. well the first google image looks similar to what i use, anyway < 1404258108 900778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well not quite, my corrent one doesn't have crossed legs < 1404258112 608809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*current < 1404258191 193148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell myname what do i have to do to re-export methods from an imported module in haskell? <-- module ImportingModule (..., module ImportedModule, ...) where import ImportedModule; ... < 1404258191 375833 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1404258494 483122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my childhood home we had a homemade drying cabinet, i think that was pretty unusual < 1404258547 78592 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1404258560 128895 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you decadent bourgeois! you are oppressing me, a honest worker with only a clothesline, with your dryerness! < 1404258612 81750 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I have saved up all my life for this opportunity! How dare you invalidate my efforts? < 1404258664 883484 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe in driers! < 1404258674 481888 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm also jealous, but that's besides the point.) < 1404258965 605409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA < 1404258966 488390 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 012320Z VRB02KT CAVOK 10/08 Q1017 RMK WIND 670FT 34004KT < 1404259013 675897 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1404259014 372986 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 012300Z 22015KT 15SM FEW030 FEW120 BKN220 30/21 A2959 RMK CU1AC1CI4 CU TR TCU ASOCTD SLP019 DENSITY ALT 2200FT < 1404259019 540297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH < 1404259026 989017 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh? < 1404259049 194323 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION heimlichly mapoles oerjan, as he seem to be chocking on some foreign body < 1404259051 237141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 degrees is not healthy for a norwegian < 1404259061 439191 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, it's down from 31! < 1404259065 38871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :foreign weather, to be precise < 1404259068 259644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people play Washizu mahjong with only the transparent tiles and ignoring the teams and hitpoints, although I think the teams and hitpoints is important to this game too, as well as the transparent tiles. < 1404259092 743894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are playing stud poker, then most of your cards can be seen by other people, too. < 1404259169 188132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungotting thirty one. July 1st. we're going to have one hell of a hot summer... <-- i'm sorry, but that's the only way to get you north americans to take global warming seriously hth < 1404259169 332727 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but yeah, depends on coding style. < 1404259208 800683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, turn up the heat until you either admit it's happening or die. your choice. < 1404259260 215746 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1404259367 459127 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in a negation mood! I deny dryers and global warming! < 1404259387 530652 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-22-85.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404259403 146493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :way to make your fate being dying of drought, there < 1404259414 297099 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404259541 676786 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-22-85.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404259810 352057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I wonder if customs consider spare human fingers to be in the same category as yak cheese... < 1404259812 203308 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1210) I wonder if customs consider spare human fingers to be in the same category as yak cheese... < 1404259830 175710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea why you said that, but it must be preserved < 1404259840 896666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it's obviously the heat < 1404259875 330248 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404259901 297896 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: meanwhile, we have a surprisingly mild summer, and checking SMHI the whole country has been below average temperature for quite a while < 1404259908 152104 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had a surprisingly mild winter too < 1404259969 449367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :our winter was burning cold < 1404259994 107818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did mention at the time < 1404260056 76812 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's what our december was like: http://www.smhi.se/klimatdata/meteorologi/2.1353/dailyTable.php?par=tmpAvvDay&yr=2013&mon=12 < 1404260082 41026 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smhi.se/klimatdata/meteorologi/2.1353/dailyTable.php?par=tmpAvvDay&yr=2014&mon=6 here's the past month < 1404260155 959435 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The winter got more winter-y in january and february, though < 1404260222 993066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for non-swedish reading people who may find those maps absurd, the colors are not absolute temperature, but difference from normal < 1404260481 243695 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION drinks a cold, cold beer < 1404260535 717764 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1404260580 996985 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to bed < 1404260791 539274 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404260906 365519 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404261560 715082 :axtens!~axtens@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404263508 234576 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :axtens: hi! < 1404264104 555017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome axtens < 1404264105 437917 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09axtens: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06irc.dal.net.) < 1404264133 895311 :axtens!~axtens@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1404264152 639718 :axtens!~axtens@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :some folk have a lot of time on their hands, going from the wisdom.pdf < 1404264173 641649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points at boily  < 1404264195 334538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he got it from HackEgo's files < 1404264229 429313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i added another one just today. by boily, fwiw < 1404264314 136812 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which time? what hands? my fingers are stuck at the customs :P < 1404264352 891401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ? mad #this one might be clarifying hth < 1404264353 383344 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: a: command not found < 1404264356 43710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1404264364 521353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \? mad #this one might be clarifying hth < 1404264365 199220 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." < 1404264659 269517 :axtens!~axtens@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :logical fallacies abounding < 1404264695 331423 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-215-85.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bounding from petal to petal with not a worldy care < 1404264750 70941 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ?? < 1404264750 582201 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: fb: command not found < 1404264759 798487 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1404264823 698954 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fb ex nihilo. < 1404264956 469735 :axtens!~axtens@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some interesting phonetic spoonerisms in my city: Carabooda <-> barracuda < 1404265013 611188 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's bypassing the The Question! already offering his approximate coördinates by himself! < 1404265075 378527 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am shocked. I shall go to sleep. < 1404265090 476010 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ECONOMICAL CHICKEN < 1404265094 31479 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404265124 114383 :axtens!~axtens@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yawn < 1404265186 275571 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1404265219 614680 :axtens!~axtens@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au QUIT :Quit: insert rejoinder here ___ < 1404265932 528168 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-82-195.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404266105 446461 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404266112 308116 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-75-142.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404266120 435531 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404266927 262174 :axtens!~axtens@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404266970 649015 :axtens!~axtens@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1404269171 547172 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function < 1404271449 757322 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flashlight ad comes on, talking about how frustrating it is that flashlights can have dead batteries.... then talks about its product, and about its lens... wtf < 1404271486 738526 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No mention of, oh, say, some crank to charge it, which would actually be relevant < 1404271647 197923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually have a flashlight with a crank instead of battery in the storage room downstairs somewhere < 1404271683 802054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/downstairs/by the parking cellar/ < 1404272498 575616 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1404273187 513564 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be relevant to talk about diodes and lenses in the context of dead batteries if your product runs at a lower power wrt light intensity than others, or drains less when it's off < 1404273233 488740 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like i should be able to take a good LED flashlight and stand it up outside facing the sun and have it charge the battery < 1404273510 318302 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404274092 577202 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404275553 625765 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1404276044 699206 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404276099 381894 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404276223 801379 :nooodl!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1404276257 211998 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404276550 605433 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1404276689 683591 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404279331 290539 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404281470 698468 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404282216 307507 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1404282234 377319 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404282265 581478 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^0 < 1404282440 247024 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404283016 995556 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-82-195.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404283473 319427 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-19405.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404285430 437147 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40012&oldid=36901 5* 03Maxdefolsch 5* (+329) 10/* SBFI */ new section < 1404286033 183976 :impomatic!~john_metc@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404286417 735573 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404286571 888848 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404287129 336860 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Braktif14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40013&oldid=40010 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+723) 10/* Turing complete etc */ < 1404287152 895207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1404287488 658682 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-easvfmzoxlxfough QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1404288072 431389 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1404288579 552894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to the library and asked the person there about a print time estimate given the dimensions (125 x 60 x 38 mm) and structure (set of 3 mm thick walls) of the piece of plastic I wanted to apparate. Six hours, they said. Them printers aren't terribly fast. (Not a surprise.) < 1404288649 851395 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-215-85.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1404289650 898099 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404289683 602628 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-81-91.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404289700 294525 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404289700 462185 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404289847 419617 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404290281 424125 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1404290925 469672 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-81-91.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404291997 343300 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-61-96.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404297953 633085 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404298873 482117 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404299418 686260 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404299568 309506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Very Large Telescope (VLT) is a telescope operated by the European Southern Observatory --" "The European Extremely Large Telescope (E-ELT) is a planned ground-based extremely large telescope for the optical/near-infrared range, to be built by the European Southern Observatory --" "The Overwhelmingly Large Telescope (OWL) was a conceptual design by the European Southern Observatory --" < 1404299574 330512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sure know how to name those. < 1404299580 919504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Came across via SatW.) < 1404299599 196699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also amusing: the Overwhelmingly Large Telescope was cancelled, due to being overwhelmingly large. < 1404300139 622076 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1404300586 618910 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404300602 244563 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1404301802 875784 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1404302488 910260 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404304006 632707 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404304105 600289 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404305810 450071 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404307152 308607 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404307682 325584 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404308143 150481 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1404309332 393828 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1404309983 803595 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404310328 219012 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404310401 688933 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1404312029 349793 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07DoubleFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40014&oldid=39986 5* 0389.136.163.78 5* (-9) 10 < 1404312851 723212 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404313433 461364 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404314742 386553 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-61-96.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/3woDkIdi hells yea. < 1404315092 651726 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1404315453 856606 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404316481 768068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1404317045 174686 :^0!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1404317061 310749 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404318090 848147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to need an older Perl than what I've got. :/ < 1404318282 979721 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40015&oldid=40006 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+345) 10/* Procedures */ new section < 1404318309 360695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It at least simplifies down to: http://codepad.org/N9yNyhnz < 1404318533 410961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Curiously picky, however. A $foo of ['x'] and ['anything'] both produce the version number, but [''] does not, and neither does ["x"].) < 1404318588 996463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that? < 1404318609 35709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. Perhaps I should ask #perl. < 1404318696 729932 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40016&oldid=40015 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+609) 10/* The structure of the program */ DOCUMENTATION SECTIONs < 1404319057 767827 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Twocode14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40017&oldid=39749 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+20) 10/* Onecode */ < 1404319500 323394 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has someone made a Befunge variant similar to Brainloller? < 1404319512 597816 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I want to try and create something like that < 1404319534 26796 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainloller < 1404319696 863429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Category:Non-textual should contain it, if it's been categorized correctly. < 1404319713 968675 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1404319726 497374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a couple of other image-based things (Piet, of course) but I don't think I've heard of a specifically Befunge-y one. < 1404319786 84805 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of having instructions be based on the sum of the RGB values of every pixel < 1404319828 561834 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can actually have art-like programs < 1404319840 916270 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of fixed colors < 1404319895 254068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piet is based on relative changes in hue/lightness, so you can sort-of have artistic stuff, you just have to be careful about it. (Of course strict Piet has quite a limited palette, too.) < 1404319913 352523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=559 thing with it. < 1404319914 928729 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: so you want some sort of image steganography? < 1404319944 281461 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of < 1404319971 608547 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it'd be possible to have image steganography that way. < 1404319978 158589 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40018&oldid=40016 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+3) 10/* Computer architecture */ less repetition < 1404319980 122615 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it wouldn't be easy < 1404320032 786369 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could base instructions on only the least significant bits of each channel < 1404320090 683510 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds really good actually < 1404320119 525661 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :although only 8 possible instructions could be made with that < 1404320130 798462 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so least significant base-10 digit? < 1404320272 376015 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Least significant base-10 digit of every channel sounds pretty good actually < 1404320300 428935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you only want the steganography thing without considering elegance or some-such, it's always possible to go with, say, least significant bits of 2x2 pixel cells; that's already 12 bits of data. < 1404320349 303035 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1404320469 881911 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe (value % 7) for every channel? That'd make ASCII stringmode possible since there are 256 ASCII characters (right?) and 7 ** 3 == 343 < 1404320487 311025 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that'd be the minimum for ascii stringmode < 1404320514 280921 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would also be annoying to program in < 1404320554 662333 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no wait < 1404320560 453436 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1404320562 200736 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind < 1404320698 571922 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1404320699 388409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: zzo38: #perl explains that it boils down to $], which is an (old) special-variable for the version number; it's treating the 's in ['x'] as package separators (single quote is an old-fashioned replacement for Perl's ::) and then the package is essentially ignored for special variables, a misfeature corrected in v5.14, < 1404320729 939894 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404321101 598491 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, well, a base 7 image-based Befunge derivative sounds pretty cool :P < 1404321126 502712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read about $] before. I think $] and those other special-variables are sensible features, although ' isn't and those other things doesn't make much sense to me < 1404321211 264767 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404321266 956909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What systems using AY-3-8910 are using the I/O ports? < 1404321373 857241 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, a new version of Python 2.x got released yesterday :O < 1404321465 906462 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what? $] is just the perl version number. do you think of the old $[ ? < 1404321484 632378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: No, I mean $] I don't know what $[ means < 1404321551 909267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only use of the AY-3-8910's I/O ports that I know of is one that was never implemented or used anyways, which is this: http://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/User:Zzo38/Mapper_A < 1404321557 9128 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404321812 328128 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404321835 861991 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40019&oldid=40018 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+1) 10/* Terminology */ < 1404321901 581844 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-19405.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1404322018 284761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: $[ can (or could) be used to set the index of the first element of an array to something else than 0. < 1404322041 530490 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that eerily reminds me of APL's index offset variable < 1404322070 204092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASIC has OPTION BASE which does a similar thing < 1404322077 706715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$[ = 1; # look I'm just like awk < 1404322118 388685 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think it is only for the variables declared after OPTION BASE and you can still specify explicitly each one anyways, in which case OPTION BASE is ignored. < 1404322222 115512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Perl $[ = 1; is also kind of weird, because it's recognized at compile time. (And the assigned value needs to be constant.) < 1404322324 77052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that does make it weird, although it does mean you can read $[ if you need to, I suppose (if it allow you). BASIC's OPTION BASE also is at compile time and need to be a constant, if you are making a compiled BASIC program. < 1404322375 250232 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40020&oldid=40019 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+19) 10/* VISCIM-JA */ /'vɪʃ.kɪm.jɑ/ < 1404322611 264826 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-82-195.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404323698 17074 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: APOCRYPHAL CHICKEN < 1404323814 261650 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404324783 315019 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-61-96.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404324887 277843 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-99-151.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404324940 694167 :nooodl!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404325642 505978 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404326163 842717 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404326165 143733 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pascal lets you start and end arrays at whatever indices you want < 1404326179 771080 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the index doesn't necessarily have to be an integer < 1404326197 827378 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think any Enum type works < 1404326286 910640 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404326545 292898 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think BASIC does the same although BASIC has no Enum types, so only integers can be used (although negative numbers are OK) < 1404328018 603624 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40021&oldid=40012 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+1131) 10/* SBFI */ < 1404328488 117435 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Newton14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40022 5* 03Lucasieks 5* (+381) 10Created page with "The newton language is simple. We have an apple. @ This apple is launched by an tree. & And if it passes by an mirror, it is rebated. _ | / \ When it passes by an inc + i..." < 1404328644 393652 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Newton14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40023&oldid=40022 5* 03Lucasieks 5* (+12) 10 < 1404328774 228064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404328789 351997 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Newton14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40024&oldid=40023 5* 03Lucasieks 5* (-1) 10 < 1404328886 470198 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404328968 701712 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404328986 851238 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Lucasieks14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40025&oldid=39816 5* 03Lucasieks 5* (-1047) 10Replaced content with "Talk with me clicking on ' ''add topic'' '." < 1404329256 224608 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1404329733 337475 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pbrain14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40026&oldid=30622 5* 0384.87.64.182 5* (+129) 10 < 1404330103 263087 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404330635 737948 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pbrain14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40027&oldid=40026 5* 0384.87.64.182 5* (+626) 10Added Tbrain, a threading extension of Pbrain. < 1404332077 734142 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404332364 243026 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-99-151.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404332461 309394 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-138.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404333414 225838 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1404333839 958051 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40028&oldid=39987 5* 03Javamannen 5* (-4108) 10Erase and rewind, 'cause I've been changing my mind. < 1404334462 544766 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404334809 401019 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404334835 458857 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404334845 678005 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404334909 307626 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404334909 452305 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404335394 348018 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404336096 350432 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-138.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404336194 251996 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-35-252.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404336285 348249 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404336900 206270 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-35-252.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404336998 464603 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-174.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404337006 214477 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404337033 351384 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404337145 839134 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1404337146 332621 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 022100Z 22015G22KT 15SM SCT045TCU SCT120 BKN220 29/19 A2975 RMK TCU3AC1CI1 SLP075 DENSITY ALT 1900FT < 1404337154 659837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1404337155 120780 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 022120Z 26004KT 9999 FEW040 09/07 Q1010 NOSIG < 1404337162 467374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, it's almost TEN DEGREES. < 1404337169 529960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nighttime, though. < 1404337174 617797 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's colder today! only 29! < 1404337233 374202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daily high forecasts for the next ten days are 18, 20, 22, 22, 23, 24, 24, 24, 24, 25. So I guess it's going to be summer here too. < 1404337280 558095 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to commonly change your name in order to confuse yourself? (Not to confuse others, but yourself) < 1404337315 488281 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which context? < 1404337346 83790 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: we broke records yesterday. 33,2 °C. < 1404337368 389713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what context. < 1404337417 793294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: We broke records for June, too: the latter half of June was, on average, the coldest since the start of one set of daily measurements (in 1961) at almost all stations. < 1404337424 933470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: "So much for that global warming!" < 1404337428 38725 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: like, getting a passport, applying for a job, playing some role plaing tabletops... < 1404337469 808457 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan boily: "So much for that global warming!" ← see, Finland June was cold. < 1404337469 952907 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1404337522 445579 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-174.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404337582 160783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Just the second half of June; overall averages across the whole month aren't that far off from the usual. < 1404337582 305144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1404337595 745266 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Whatever way you prefer. < 1404337629 676509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had -6.2 °C somewhere in Lapland in Jun 17. < 1404337647 155017 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :brrr < 1404337693 589151 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I tend to be myself. it's a habit I'm tilling and nurturing, but sometimes I am also someone different, like when I am LARPING. I cease to be, instead becoming another un-me. < 1404337701 635033 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: preposterous. < 1404337719 153030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I mean your name, not your self. < 1404337766 214681 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1404337769 101020 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1404337771 35244 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeeeh... < 1404337829 165551 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily by any other name is just as strange? < 1404337902 203915 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404337941 810893 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-61-140.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404338068 396556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1404339037 530521 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404339398 990564 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1404339891 102208 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.142.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404339897 293573 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.142.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1404339955 719013 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1404339970 811828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1404339976 833460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember you < 1404340089 647237 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ESSA < 1404340090 93590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1404340090 251854 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSA 022220Z 24008KT CAVOK 13/10 Q1010 NOSIG < 1404340118 20983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA < 1404340118 841072 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 022220Z 29011KT CAVOK 15/10 Q1008 RMK WIND 670FT 28007KT < 1404340185 63327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lied < 1404340185 207713 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 45m 15s ago: boily: "So much for that global warming!" ← see, Finland June was cold. < 1404340185 352153 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 43m 22s ago: Just the second half of June; overall averages across the whole month aren't that far off from the usual. < 1404340218 683088 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EDDL < 1404340219 109212 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EDDL 022220Z 07002KT CAVOK 13/09 Q1023 NOSIG < 1404340279 703459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah i guessed düsseldorf correctly < 1404340294 161423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE < 1404340322 529441 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only to such precision as an IP lookup would have told you, IIUC. < 1404340378 25165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was from the EDDL, not your ip hth < 1404340418 110239 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I’m just saying that the former is no more precise an indicator of where I live than the latter. < 1404340477 61535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unsporting < 1404340663 669311 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes getting himself passportly photographied < 1404340791 108319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my passport expired this spring, i should renew it some time. of course i didn't actually _use_ it since i last renewed it 10 years ago. < 1404340842 361853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i would have to find where the old passport ended up after the move. < 1404340866 310071 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404341069 390430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYVR < 1404341069 867501 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYVR 022200Z 12013G21KT 30SM FEW250 25/14 A2991 RMK CI1 TR CU SLP129 DENSITY ALT 1100FT < 1404341093 860157 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not understand a METAR code very well, unfortunately < 1404341338 75132 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a VCR/DVD with drive select, but it will not display the channel on the front display unless the VHS mode is selected (although it can still receive channels in any mode: VHS, DVD, SD, and USB) < 1404341407 156551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I keep it on VHS when not using other modes, due to that. I don't know why it does that, but, that is how it does < 1404341458 860273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At CYVR, second day of the month at 22:00 UTC, the wind direction is 120 degrees and speed 13 knots (21 knots in gusts), visibility 30 statute miles, few clouds at 25k feet, temperature 25 °C and a dew point of 14 °c, atmospheric pressure 29.91 inHg, and then some remarks ("RMK") I'm less sure about. < 1404341702 895510 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Me sais Laptop sleepy. < 1404342093 811374 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404342141 449293 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why thank you channel, you're too kind < 1404342215 372507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1404342357 654807 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is your favorite esolang? < 1404342506 231326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/// or underload < 1404342507 890591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1404342523 32014 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: glad to see other METARdecoders in the chännel :D < 1404342570 474010 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, 1/8th of the sky has cirruses, I forgot TR, cumulus, sea level pressure at 1012.9 hPa. density alt is something I don't understand yet.) < 1404342702 733625 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is ///? < 1404342725 502783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^wiki /// < 1404342725 647537 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki//// < 1404342801 986264 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :// sounds like an abstract replacement engine < 1404342811 456352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1404342837 890442 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite is Funge-98 < 1404342845 420106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interesting thing is that it manages to be turing complete despite being so minimal < 1404342872 318510 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfram%27s_2-state_3-symbol_Turing_machine < 1404342883 775441 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is also minimal, but it's not very nice to program in < 1404342908 583634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. it also requires infinite setup which is somewhat dubious. < 1404342919 370243 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolol < 1404342964 514654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alex Smith is a channel regular btw, but not here at the moment. < 1404343107 610682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you can discuss funge-98 with adu < 1404343107 975048 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: eval ( let ( ( a b). so much crap to pick up... it doesn't really matter what the purpose of the language. < 1404343131 65557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Thank you for information < 1404343146 154731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i'm not sure you're thinking of the right language here. i'm referring to the one you are written in. < 1404343146 488307 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: people have a hard to find, fix, as in first in any kind of technology, just for future reference, you should < 1404343160 270597 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it seem to me, the temperature is as hot as 25, but the temperature is not reaching the basement, so, it is OK in basement. < 1404343253 575421 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungot < 1404343253 919387 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: so, basically check the websites for every implementation for the hack value counts for something, and submit it as a lambda < 1404343275 976568 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you explain "hack value counts"? < 1404343421 61711 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1404343944 15023 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, fungot, can you? < 1404343944 524639 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: if () is false. this means, if azeroth really is a triple ( interface, set of loops, etc, although it does duplicate work in a machine learning course and reading the book < 1404343963 883125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it perfectly clear. < 1404343970 323212 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inded < 1404343972 323958 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed* < 1404343982 190915 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1404343989 680763 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me thinks it's not explainable < 1404344027 485017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: can you explain "that makes it perfectly clear"? < 1404344027 665735 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the sse extensions are fnord. < 1404344031 496855 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lolol < 1404344042 877212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that they are. < 1404344043 108724 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: using scheme can u run online websites with database es? was part of a < 1404344065 719486 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me thinks fungot is high on crack < 1404344065 877169 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: not exactly something like that. but even real scheme :p. < 1404344155 244890 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is fungot. there's one fungot, and then you stop counting because that's all the fungot there is. < 1404344155 518202 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm not talking about quality of sound here), and then at the moment < 1404344164 163249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep high on scheme sounds about right < 1404344164 809355 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote me thinks fungot is high on crack adu: not exactly something like that. but even real scheme :p. < 1404344164 975269 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ( originally it ran under any lisp system able to do < 1404344170 158172 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1211) me thinks fungot is high on crack adu: not exactly something like that. but even real scheme :p. < 1404344179 993930 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I got the formatting right < 1404344189 638698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks good to me. < 1404344197 722967 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, I'll be reformatting it in no time :D < 1404344240 240255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: say something hard to format < 1404344240 384706 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: unless you're using the db for data storage. < 1404344255 399895 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :formatting a database is hard? < 1404344267 47478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that's an unusual use of the db. < 1404344267 192026 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wait a sec... busy in another channel < 1404344278 720740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ok < 1404344278 980632 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm a zealot for not defining that semantics. but code using haskell's state monads state, io, etc < 1404344304 47120 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg, I literally rolled on the floor, laughing out loud! roflol < 1404344335 329482 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you trapped in a monad? < 1404344335 627744 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: you might also take a look at it. he pointed us at plt scheme for inspiration: http://www.scheme.dk/ tmp/ fnord < 1404344335 779143 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: ♪ding♪ you exist in the Wisdom PDF! < 1404344355 90469 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: do you mean the Adobe kind? < 1404344367 330920 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The linked-in-topic kind < 1404344400 600762 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: or do you mean the Poisson distribution function? < 1404344410 964634 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote poisson < 1404344411 600039 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1127) everything is either zipf, branford, poisson, gamma, or uniform. outside of that, it's a weird curve invented by sadistic statistics teachers. < 1404344418 711741 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: I guess both. < 1404344442 195614 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that is so esoteric < 1404344481 610001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I went and lookeded things up, and it was suggested that TR was for "traces" (less than FEW but more than CLR) of the related cloud type. < 1404344499 356883 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TR? < 1404344547 107451 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TR. < 1404344559 140215 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, what are your approximate coördinates and body weigh? < 1404344582 210934 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: OK, KYPO, IMGTBAR, JK < 1404344589 493019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I got the feeling that "density altitude" is basically air density at the airport, denoted as some nominal altitude from sea level in a model. < 1404344611 588344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IANAA) < 1404344654 657384 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: my coordinsssssss are Silver Spring, MD, USA < 1404344681 184347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source (shameless plug) < 1404344681 328676 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1404344688 133595 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know my body weight, because I eat and poop, it's never the same < 1404344700 825558 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's something to do with air pressure indeed, but it looks like it's only a useful intermediate number for further calculations. < 1404344722 898460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the altitude relative to the standard atmosphere conditions (ISA) at which the air density would be equal to the indicated air density at the place of observation". < 1404344744 640079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going almost solely on that. < 1404344751 198973 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that confuses me to no end. < 1404344836 69532 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1404344850 466623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a convoluted sentence; I'd've written it the other way around. ("Air density at the place of observation indicated by the corresponding altitude in terms of the ISA model that has the same air density.") < 1404344886 998625 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. much clearer. < 1404345608 568687 :Layl!545740b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.87.64.182 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404345609 640179 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404345665 683821 :Layl!545740b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.87.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I'm just popping in to ask, I made a small edit to a wiki page on Pbrain to include an extension I made to it in my brainfuck interpreter, is that alright? < 1404345717 688529 :Layl!545740b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.87.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The change I made is the added section "Tbrain" http://esolangs.org/wiki/Pbrain < 1404345764 224675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks out recent changes < 1404345926 207566 :Layl!545740b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.87.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes the code example is one big race condition, that's intentional < 1404346122 47463 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hfmapzvyetwqqmzo JOIN :#esoteric < 1404346179 769359 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pbrain14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40029&oldid=40027 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10move section later < 1404346219 405851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe it should be its own page < 1404346360 361855 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pbrain14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40030&oldid=40029 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+4) 10bullets < 1404346420 947189 :Layl!545740b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.87.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I dunno, it's really just a small extension of Pbrain < 1404347260 257822 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-82-195.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404347738 678360 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404347967 851097 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1404348639 367122 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404348651 799872 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-61-140.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1404348748 695354 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-248.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404348927 17568 :Layl!545740b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.87.64.182 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1404349023 866595 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40031&oldid=40020 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10/* Procedures */ sp < 1404349127 890352 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1404349444 405010 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-82-195.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404349663 130748 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving IPA transcriptions of the pronunciation of all the acronyms in sycpol is really a nice touch < 1404349726 395971 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-82-195.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404349771 836592 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the feeling of “vishkimme” in my mouth. < 1404349813 892990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: Yes, it can help < 1404350003 182390 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does esosc stand for in esosc brainfuck? < 1404350067 937656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Esoteric Standard Committee (ESOSC) aims to standardize esolangs and related works. < 1404350114 394248 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the ESOSC real? < 1404350249 895883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read the instruction, and then see better if it is or not. < 1404350313 780131 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks legit. < 1404350386 134414 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, btw, when is the brainfuck survey going to end twh < 1404350401 167493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also wondering how I would ake a version of the Gentzen esolang for linear logic. < 1404350449 613831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't know if it is supposed to expire. I answered the questions, although I don't really like surveymonkey so much; you can just use SQL. After all, SQLite is installed on the HackEgo in this IRC channel now (at least, it was at one time). < 1404350708 895436 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sqlite3 < 1404350733 435042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it broken now? < 1404350739 328618 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite version 3.7.13 2012-06-11 02:05:22 \ Enter ".help" for instructions \ Enter SQL statements terminated with a ";" \ sqlite> < 1404350746 241667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, now it works < 1404350755 852696 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. < 1404350778 705867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'select 6*7;' | sqlite3 # Maybe it can be used like this? Let's see. < 1404350779 193137 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 < 1404350785 252733 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is working. < 1404350893 617021 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "select '~duck duck;' | sqlite3 # On the off chance that HackEgo won't insert its evil space... < 1404350894 130870 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1404350908 295237 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "select '~duck duck;'" | sqlite3 < 1404350908 828102 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: incomplete SQL: select '~duck duck;' < 1404350915 787677 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "select '~duck duck';" | sqlite3 < 1404350916 401619 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​~duck duck < 1404350927 255558 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. I tried. < 1404351191 381379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As is often the case with these questions, everyone would die." xkcd what-if in a nutshell < 1404351287 688390 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people should try to die less. < 1404351298 163672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i think the space is only dropped for alphanumeric characters < 1404351331 461876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo lambdabot: @run 2+2 < 1404351331 972270 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @run 2+2 < 1404351333 358426 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1404351356 768681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, lambdabot will add a space in front of the answer. < 1404351449 898389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there used be some loopholes in lambdabot's space addition, but i'm not sure if int-e has fixed them. < 1404351477 599363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or his predecessors < 1404351587 694058 :nooodl!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404351630 54889 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: BULLET CHICKEN < 1404351631 814720 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404351707 739436 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-82-195.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404352609 576623 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead PART #esoteric :"Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com" < 1404352610 643520 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404352611 56647 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead PART #esoteric :"Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com" < 1404352611 342717 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404352620 49941 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh wrong keystroke < 1404353263 133839 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which keystroke was that? < 1404353315 482523 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-248.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/exec sudo shutdown -h now < 1404353324 640111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose, whichever key is part channels in such IRC client. < 1404353349 241534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the keys are like just next to each other? < 1404353378 820631 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-248.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmhm < 1404353500 112757 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "part" and "switch to next unread" are right next to each other < 1404354744 665968 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1404354988 423021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ` < 1404354989 34074 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0060 GRAVE ACCENT] < 1404355252 675805 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1404357065 447558 :MoALTz_!~no@user-31-175-98-12.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404357263 732476 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-82-195.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404358111 283393 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode < 1404358111 807833 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1404358120 705903 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode œ < 1404358121 238934 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0153 LATIN SMALL LIGATURE OE] < 1404358131 59251 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 𷐯 < 1404358131 921487 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+3742F - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: f0 b7 90 af UTF-16BE: d89ddc2f Decimal: 𷐯 \ 𷐯 (𷐯) \ Uppercase: U+3742F \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned) < 1404358155 131644 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ༀༀ < 1404358155 697378 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0F00 TIBETAN SYLLABLE OM] [U+0F00 TIBETAN SYLLABLE OM] < 1404358176 555368 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 뻯龜 < 1404358177 119085 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+BEEF HANGUL SYLLABLE BBEGS] [U+FACE CJK COMPATIBILITY IDEOGRAPH-FACE] < 1404358207 801161 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, U+FACE is the ideograph meaning face? < 1404358391 207649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: afraid not, it's just using the hex as an official part of the name < 1404358406 302662 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1404358436 552284 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, on its own it doesn't seem to translate into anything < 1404358485 94045 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you really shouldn't use the glyph in question. < 1404358518 401688 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the compatibility ideograph block exists because a codeset had redundant encodings. No, really.) < 1404358662 512738 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing random english into the japanese input field in google translate and getting funny things < 1404358682 118426 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://translate.google.com/#ja/en/%EF%BC%B7%EF%BD%88%EF%BD%81%EF%BD%94%20%EF%BD%89%EF%BD%93%20%EF%BD%8C%EF%BD%8F%EF%BD%96%EF%BD%85%20%EF%BD%82%EF%BD%81%EF%BD%82%EF%BD%99%20%EF%BD%84%EF%BD%8F%EF%BD%8E%E2%80%99%EF%BD%94%20%EF%BD%88%EF%BD%95%EF%BD%92%EF%BD%94%20%EF%BD%8D%EF%BD%85%20don%E2%80%99t%20%E3%80%81%E3%81%AE%E3%82%82%E3%82%8C%E3%80%82 < 1404358695 895504 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, it might be sleep deprivation making things funnier than they are < 1404359187 571263 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404359285 818666 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404359289 352622 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404359297 918698 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Client Quit < 1404359726 333783 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like RES won the 'Disable subreddit style' vs. 'Use CSS to hide Disable subreddit style checkmark' war < 1404359766 960873 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprise surprise < 1404359944 6547 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1404360333 333179 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404360598 265452 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404361078 526216 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: sneaky < 1404361862 279238 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1404362943 66699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afair there's a preference setting even for those not using RES (i.e. me), although it would of course be awkward to change all the time < 1404363174 78071 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404363878 192383 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1404363957 242352 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1404363965 548281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? arrows < 1404363966 128624 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrows are just strong monads in the category of profunctors. < 1404364029 661639 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1404364030 48365 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. < 1404364038 611172 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjan is legal, winning, and not fun. < 1404364125 695181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when am i an "i win" move in frc < 1404364192 342329 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are what you make? < 1404364202 952082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1404364631 412385 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, wisdom is inaccurate. If I can remember to add it at some point < 1404365121 632512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is antediluvian? < 1404365124 617999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That explains his tone. < 1404365181 927009 :MoALTz_!~no@user-31-175-98-12.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404365260 4916 :MoALTz_!~no@user-31-175-98-12.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404366441 632281 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-19405.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404367284 248770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for _some_flood anyway. < 1404368434 107110 :MoALTz_!~no@user-31-175-98-12.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404369510 825296 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404370143 892314 :aretecode!~aretecode@173.192.170.114-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404370148 18136 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795165 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX1whI8hrMs <- ingenious < 1404378946 194814 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use background-decor to prevent auto-detection of copyrighted materials < 1404379000 838337 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody should investigate if you can somehow temper the video so that it can't be detected automatically but isn't visible to viewers < 1404379163 189295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's curious, the "New Executive Governor" of the Central Bank of Nigeria (he has a $35.9 million payment for me) has a @yahoo.co.jp email address. < 1404379195 156909 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect yahoo addresses are free? < 1404379213 123872 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would be dumb to pay for an email account then . < 1404379225 321415 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you have $35.9 million. < 1404379256 979612 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much is Nigerias BDP < 1404379258 411043 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or BIP < 1404379267 591671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I naïvely thought the bank would provide email addresses to its employees. < 1404379270 11937 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GDP < 1404379290 150620 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :262.6 Mia. < 1404379292 887013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm very sad that that YouTube video background never changes. < 1404379300 613026 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 262.2 billion depending on what system you use ;) < 1404379352 313067 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generally as a non-american non-english to things are confusing about english numbers < 1404379366 9334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I also think there is research on the topic of automatic content detection systems and how to foil them, and also how to make them better. < 1404379378 858913 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "Billion" but for us Billion is actually much larger < 1404379390 789458 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not billion_s_ with a plural ending < 1404379421 591744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is a long-scale country (10^12 billion) too. < 1404379431 29683 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: There's lots of research about watermarking too < 1404379445 318914 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how you can still detect it after images have been resized/compressed etc. < 1404379561 919734 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` units 'square (beard second)' 'barn' < 1404379562 474445 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error in 'square (beard second)': Unknown unit 'beard' < 1404379591 67982 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1404379605 902186 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it not know about beards? < 1404379888 799598 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hfmapzvyetwqqmzo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1404381068 456184 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Changing Background probably increases the filesize a lot < 1404381097 112680 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing as the idea of video codecs is to encode the difference between two frames as good as possible < 1404381618 587411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I think they should do some sort of scene analysis on the video-in-the-video and change backgrounds on every cut. < 1404381630 106743 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know why I think that.) < 1404381824 618112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a plain black border in the latest video posted by that account. < 1404381899 210525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also it seems to be on top of the video, rather than resizing the video.) < 1404382286 818651 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1404382528 893867 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404383208 535172 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1404383383 244229 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404384676 902027 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1404385162 404304 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404385168 309043 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1404385403 683556 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu < 1404385517 64140 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu. < 1404385538 339882 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: LEGERDEMAIN CHICKEN < 1404386489 762661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. < 1404387188 956344 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404387363 802763 :Patashu_!Kozuma@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404387363 947715 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404388219 293542 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1404388843 694939 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404388889 45691 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Me sais Laptop sleepy. < 1404389247 685311 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1404389691 833012 :Patashu_!Kozuma@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1404389784 212622 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404389876 685783 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Client Quit < 1404389894 516342 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404391342 689983 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40032&oldid=40031 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+1118) 10/* Simple declarations */ new section < 1404391434 251555 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40033&oldid=40032 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+1) 10/* INPUT OUTPUT DIVISION */ devices < 1404391792 960339 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404394633 834051 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404394650 543003 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404394674 312921 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404395833 33436 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tweak14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40034&oldid=14442 5* 03Lucasieks 5* (-9) 10 < 1404396356 470817 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404397423 892098 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1404397428 550918 :nooodl!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404399141 348640 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404399754 932544 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404401835 577224 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404401859 940588 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai pplz < 1404401874 422589 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna try to make a Beatnik interpreter in Windows Batch. < 1404402849 55305 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello? < 1404402991 808227 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1404403122 907032 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1404403360 254157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. Blender does http://sprunge.us/CIZX every time I uncheck an option in the STL exporter. < 1404403409 815602 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1404403442 63629 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1404403464 968411 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no I dind't get here in time to say hi to JWinslow23. < 1404403472 176328 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should have gotten up sooner. < 1404403480 949502 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or checked here before having breakfast. < 1404403484 656274 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1404403503 934769 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even know that we had a Winslow. < 1404403622 567681 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BANCStar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40035&oldid=39845 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+98) 10/* References */ BANCNova < 1404404347 40417 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell JWinslow23 Yes, a Beatnik interpreter sounds good. < 1404404347 599037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1404404385 874192 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, looks like one of the Beatnik links needs Waybacked. < 1404404689 267117 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404404766 865409 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BANCStar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40036&oldid=39849 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+437) 10/* BANCNova */ new section < 1404405162 124162 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1404405181 145606 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404405303 281343 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404405490 146637 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404405971 853381 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404406283 424747 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BANCStar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40037&oldid=40035 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+1044) 10make a not about "combination GOTO" (whatever that is), add some notes on prompts < 1404406322 890209 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404406741 566353 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404407143 787569 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BANCStar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40038&oldid=40037 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+351) 10/* Instructions */ prompt display instructions < 1404407244 573606 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BANCStar14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40039&oldid=40038 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+3) 10/* Instructions */ the one time I don't preview, I mess it up >_> < 1404407628 264950 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404407730 982900 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404408497 8122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what is the format for extension to .IT format which is supporting VST and stuff like ModPlug is? I want to write a new extension to the format which is compatible with such thing. < 1404408768 13263 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404408774 964755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1404408796 838036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, my computer just stopped suddenly while some music was playing (the music stopped too). < 1404409004 393983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something else is going wrong too, attempting to terminate a process won't work < 1404409010 801258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CTRL+ALT+DELETE doesn't work < 1404409047 184878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Description: Library for computing Fast Fourier Transforms - Quad precision" wowza, quad precision. < 1404409103 696462 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :four whole bits of mantissa < 1404409123 307122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wanted to apply a small patch to Blender, and its build-dependencies include libfftw3-dev, and installing that automagically installs all different-precision variants of FFTW: libfftw3-double3, libfftw3-long3, libfftw3-quad3, libfftw3-single3.) < 1404409124 389168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404409167 22917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1404409170 344374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is fixed now < 1404409257 46211 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm curious how different the variants are < 1404409320 929770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFTW_DEFINE_API(FFTW_MANGLE_DOUBLE, double, fftw_complex) < 1404409321 74296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFTW_DEFINE_API(FFTW_MANGLE_FLOAT, float, fftwf_complex) < 1404409321 74457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFTW_DEFINE_API(FFTW_MANGLE_LONG_DOUBLE, long double, fftwl_complex) < 1404409324 943406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly that different. < 1404409343 884933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and FFTW_DEFINE_API(FFTW_MANGLE_QUAD, __float128, fftwq_complex) < 1404409345 320633 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. i hope the download sizes aren't too big then. < 1404409403 718913 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-248.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404409446 837005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The __float128 is more complicated because apparently you can't just write "__float128 _Complex" to get a quad-precision complex number type, since it's a typedef. < 1404409511 418263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to write "_Complex float __attribute__((mode(TC)))" instead. < 1404409521 142408 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-105-81.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404409528 433185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And possibly TC is also a macro for something, I can't be bothered to look it up. < 1404409568 985130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those thing is something I don't like about the complex numbers support in C99 < 1404409668 434388 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! did i mention i'm working with a C library that defines its own complexes < 1404409688 296271 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and instead of a literal zero of some sort it does complexmult(0, complexexp(0)) < 1404409749 138226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: typedef struct { float re; float im; } complex; typedef struct { double re; double im; } zomplex; -- of libfft of the IRIX module libcomplib.sgimath. < 1404409775 769725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomplex a, b; /* zombie complex */ < 1404409816 746207 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pre-C99, isn't it? < 1404409834 489243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's just the zombie aspect that always amuses me. < 1404409845 679407 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's good < 1404409846 156558 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-105-81.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404409850 116521 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of xectors < 1404409863 20141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably just borrowing LAPACK nomenclature, which I'm sure derives from some FORTRAN whatnot. < 1404409896 928605 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-109-151.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404409958 770660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it has function names of the form cfft, zfft, sfft, dfft for {single, double}-precision {complex, real} cases, and the first letter of the "XYYZZZ"-format LAPACK function names is S, D, C, Z for a {single, double}-precision {real, complex} number. < 1404409980 580776 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Black-C way of making complex number are better though, than C99 and C++ < 1404409990 605374 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what way is that < 1404409992 548243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six letters for external identifiers should be enough for everyone, after all. < 1404410002 685302 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very dos < 1404410251 615066 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-175-98-12.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404410410 191441 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a xector? < 1404410420 483249 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v < 1404410455 999023 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1404410483 64621 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a vector existing across processors on a connection machine. or something like that, i've never used it < 1404410608 430675 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds pretty crazy < 1404410619 327348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you mean "xrazy". < 1404410675 432078 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i remember the idea was that you could have a xector like [0 5 6 ... 93] on 94 units, and when you want to map (1 +) it you just send an order to all the units at once < 1404410695 806131 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that is what it does. < 1404410783 983968 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be fun to code something on a connection machine at some point < 1404410818 23908 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get an ancient simulator from softwarepreservation, i think < 1404410843 98789 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be faster to write one yourself though :/ < 1404411197 83540 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BANCStar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40040&oldid=40039 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+3561) 10dug up more info on commands, operators, and prompt types < 1404411236 182189 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno if anyone has done this, but I was thinking about how cool it would be make a language that is literally written in egyptian hieroglyphs < 1404411257 275772 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Egyptians did at one point, i believe < 1404411277 552722 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, more BANCStar < 1404411282 722653 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prisse_papyrus.svg ballin' < 1404411327 467744 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs a font for hieroglyphs. < 1404411339 569949 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: technically, that's hieratic, not hieroglyphs < 1404411346 852973 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm aware. < 1404411365 423033 :n30r351574nc390!~r45r363l@191.250.93.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404411372 215863 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'd just use chinese. people actually know chinese. and there are practiced input methods. < 1404411397 644229 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus you could have programs "pronounced" differently in different "dialects". fun shit < 1404411442 454981 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1404411450 883988 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: actually, there's JSesh < 1404411459 117777 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is an open source hieroglyphics editor < 1404411491 840126 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :versus several dozen systems for hanzi, yes < 1404411494 670331 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m sure you’ve heard of that one arabic-based programming language? < 1404411495 351555 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"At the height of their popularity, there were over 30 Connection Machines installed [...]" < 1404411513 881484 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: yeah that was a nice article. < 1404411548 985236 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: we're in #esoteric, the entire point is to be impractical! < 1404411603 568069 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On that note, cuneiform also comes to mind. < 1404411609 756368 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: oooooh good idea < 1404411629 203411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes now you can make Egyptian programming language too < 1404411663 658898 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 𓈖 < 1404411664 492308 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+13216 EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH N035] < 1404411676 318533 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I should try my hand at writing an emacs mode for hieroglyphs actually < 1404411680 788478 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Newton14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40041 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+114) 10Created page with "What are the conditional flow controls? --~~~~" < 1404411689 745726 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't it be more appropriate as an IME < 1404411714 364619 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: what does that stand for? < 1404411722 852874 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_method_editor < 1404411758 245262 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ve tried to find a tutorial to writing IBus input methods a couple times and come up with nothing. < 1404411881 726306 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia has a relevant list, actually < 1404411897 184628 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-English-based_programming_languages < 1404411918 689681 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I’d forgotten about that one. < 1404412063 775980 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, relevant to the earlier conversation) < 1404412188 585481 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there’s also Lingua::Romana::Perligata listed. < 1404412566 928954 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently that one language is written P′′ rather than P″ which I would have expected. < 1404412600 122065 :n30r351574nc390!~r45r363l@191.250.93.32 PART :#esoteric < 1404412604 264670 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey everyone. What's your favorite pitch? < 1404412758 881866 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404412778 460999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What pitch? < 1404412791 346632 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'm asking. < 1404412794 993287 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B♭₃ maybe … < 1404412873 915193 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404412893 134144 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotcha. < 1404413248 194516 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BANCStar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40042&oldid=40040 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+3449) 10/* Instructions */ Add vague description of file/table operations. No idea what a table is in this context. < 1404413359 358116 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go with 700Hz < 1404413430 679619 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BANCStar14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40043&oldid=40042 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+202) 10tweaks < 1404413706 464236 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404413710 677840 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys < 1404413729 985397 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/TieSoul/Befunk/tree/master < The image based Befunge I was discussing yesterday < 1404413739 155488 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read the (badly-written) wiki :P < 1404413811 706294 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404414022 401168 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40044&oldid=40033 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+515) 10/* (summary) */ Added that funny little thing that is on the COBOL Wikipedia page. Not sure if it is necessary, but looks nice. < 1404414168 100866 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1404414184 371323 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BANCStar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40045&oldid=40036 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+419) 10/* more archaeology */ new section < 1404414365 338238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Music for NES/Famicom can be made to use perfect tones if just intonation is being used (with 2A03 and some expansion chips). < 1404414399 455748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With equal temperament all notes are detuned and higher octaves are more detuned, but with just intonation this does not happen. < 1404414426 581977 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40046&oldid=40044 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+6) 10/* (summary) */ mildly < 1404414441 876003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, if anyone (other than myself) has used just intonation in such a game, due to such reason. < 1404414501 609224 :GermanyBoy!5b9a9150@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.154.145.80 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404414526 428339 :GermanyBoy!5b9a9150@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.154.145.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1404414535 646098 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Randwork14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40047&oldid=39946 5* 03178.125.181.232 5* (+104) 10 < 1404414549 390805 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey GermanyBoy < 1404414552 289849 :GermanyBoy!5b9a9150@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.154.145.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never used IRC before < 1404414568 335592 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome then :D < 1404414575 60346 :GermanyBoy!5b9a9150@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.154.145.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any way to see who is online? < 1404414589 991131 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know which client you are using < 1404414596 819572 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GermanyBou: Use the command NAMES to see who is on the channel, and WHOIS to check their idle time. < 1404414609 291803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How exactly you issue those commands depends on the IRC client you are using. < 1404414639 430083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says you are using qwebirc v0.91 < 1404414649 384541 :GermanyBoy!5b9a9150@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.154.145.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode webchat < 1404414660 224006 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually there's a list to the right < 1404414667 447256 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey FireFly < 1404414670 657382 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1404414686 279293 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made that image Befunge I discussed yesterday :D < 1404414692 891531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is such a list, try clicking on one of the names maybe then it tell you the WHOIS? I don't know. < 1404414698 779526 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay < 1404414711 971614 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome GermanyBoy < 1404414713 101462 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/TieSoul/Befunk Here's the GitHub page. < 1404414717 554436 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06GermanyBoy: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.) < 1404414730 215864 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, it might be a bit too colourful < 1404414759 707056 :GermanyBoy!5b9a9150@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.154.145.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1404414780 224514 :GermanyBoy!5b9a9150@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.154.145.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that command "`relcome"? < 1404414808 796612 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :r(ainbow w)elcome, perhaps < 1404414859 112631 :GermanyBoy!5b9a9150@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.154.145.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1404414859 257164 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1404414903 264780 :GermanyBoy!5b9a9150@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.154.145.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls $PWD < 1404414903 819400 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access $PWD: No such file or directory < 1404414910 868089 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it with `run < 1404414912 972234 :GermanyBoy!5b9a9150@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.154.145.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1404414913 548225 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 98076 \ a \ app.sh \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ moop.txt \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ UNPA \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1404414918 863896 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that < 1404414952 864208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whic is more accurate in a C code, to make log2 and then times 12.0, or to logarithm base two to power of one twelfth? < 1404414985 596007 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the former < 1404415027 181660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is what I am doing. < 1404415034 317661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that is what I thought, too. < 1404415044 438808 :GermanyBoy!5b9a9150@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.154.145.80 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1404415088 581284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, note that I do division by 8363 before calculating the logarithm < 1404415153 734758 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1404415158 165561 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404415597 291679 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` file UNPA < 1404415597 466098 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNPA: C source, ASCII text < 1404415626 595217 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`head UNPA < 1404415630 404741 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/* \ UTF-to-VLQ \ Public domain \ */ \ \ #include \ #include \ \ #ifdef _WIN32 \ #include < 1404415716 836554 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run gcc -o unpa UNPA && ./unpa this is a test < 1404415720 33001 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNPA: file not recognized: File format not recognized \ collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status < 1404415752 841135 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run gcc -x c -o unpa UNPA && ./unpa this is a test < 1404415779 808938 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1404415794 729681 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ./unpa <<<'this is a test' < 1404415795 322090 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1404415799 485256 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ./unpa < 1404415800 29197 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1404415803 429498 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sux < 1404415920 544097 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo Hello | ./unpa 84 < 1404415921 71913 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :48656C6C6F0A < 1404415939 534931 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 48656C6C6F0A | ./unpa 48 < 1404415940 52846 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1404416116 779693 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's how you use it < 1404416354 169826 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo ÄÖÜß | ./unpa 0V < 1404416354 732241 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​DV\_ < 1404416379 989116 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo ÄÖÜß | ./unpa 0V | ./unpa V0 < 1404416380 532466 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EW]_ < 1404416426 170721 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo ÄÖÜß | ./unpa 8V | ./unpa V8 < 1404416426 811616 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CCCC < 1404416432 333073 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo ÄÖÜß < 1404416432 881836 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ÄÖÜß < 1404416440 770193 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. whatever. < 1404416598 235876 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` gcc -x c -o bin/morse-decode <<<'c, v = 1; main() { while (c = getchar(), ~c) v = c < 33? putchar("& etianmsurwdkgohvf.l.pjbxcyzq..54.3.;!2).+...,16=/:..(.7.?_8.9o\"...$...@...'\''..-"[v < 64? (v != 40)*v : v % 51 + 33]), 1 : v * 2 + c % 2; }' < 1404416599 66818 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc: warning: ‘-x c’ after last input file has no effect \ gcc: fatal error: no input files \ compilation terminated. < 1404416612 865733 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` gcc -x c -o bin/morse-decode - <<<'c, v = 1; main() { while (c = getchar(), ~c) v = c < 33? putchar("& etianmsurwdkgohvf.l.pjbxcyzq..54.3.;!2).+...,16=/:..(.7.?_8.9o\"...$...@...'\''..-"[v < 64? (v != 40)*v : v % 51 + 33]), 1 : v * 2 + c % 2; }' < 1404416615 106915 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:1:1: warning: data definition has no type or storage class [enabled by default] < 1404416640 811635 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` morse-decode <<<'... --- ...' < 1404416642 226792 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sos < 1404416656 448478 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it'd be more useful if it read argv[1] instead < 1404417407 945877 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BANCStar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40048&oldid=40043 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+387) 10/* Instructions */ data model commands < 1404417744 364831 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404417762 804873 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404417768 439328 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404417996 858298 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Text14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40049&oldid=37344 5* 0386.134.181.208 5* (+42) 10/* Development of a compiler */ < 1404418688 692302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404418986 298356 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404418997 575447 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404419005 326431 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404419072 687323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404419276 175342 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07~-~!14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40050&oldid=39953 5* 03130.86.34.144 5* (-1) 10 < 1404419472 353520 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404419487 467891 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404420453 830072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404420635 85801 :n30r351574nc390!~r45r363l@191.250.93.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404420674 181997 :n30r351574nc390!~r45r363l@191.250.93.32 PART :#esoteric < 1404421039 717822 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404421121 134192 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404421129 542792 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404421135 205782 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404421421 809009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1404421443 83323 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404421957 505975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404422136 811867 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404422136 997943 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404422504 488184 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@46.193.143.100 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404422678 845461 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404423093 856466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404423441 542136 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@46.193.143.100 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404423520 852884 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404423593 737862 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404423836 775507 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404424008 261566 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404424113 828318 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1404424244 384930 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Client Quit < 1404424333 760662 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1404424345 36941 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lollo64it: hi? having connection problems? < 1404424357 31043 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-26.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1404424368 396199 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-26.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1404424368 576311 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1404424399 955865 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404424421 260817 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1404424462 281398 :nooodl_!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404424477 15223 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404424586 827157 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1404424612 50366 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404424637 832520 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1404424659 489395 :nooodl!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404424683 898756 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404424721 606192 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404424724 782956 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404424786 68873 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404424823 286275 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404424969 623500 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404425018 190097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404425098 208217 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-44-204.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1404425109 269226 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404425135 351758 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-44-204.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1404425135 535567 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1404425199 796132 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404425418 826098 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1404425566 631638 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1404425628 196973 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404425655 607410 :lorenzo_!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1404425742 159750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1404425786 247237 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1404425818 554187 :lorenzo_!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404425887 150285 :nooodl_!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1404425895 747617 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1404426297 417076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this yafgc outtake is lasting disturbingly long given that the owner already claims to be trying to fix it < 1404426493 18059 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404427003 336101 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: VINDALOO CHICKEN < 1404427006 592718 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404427045 916736 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1404427071 883666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1404427496 86538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e I didn't even know that we had a Winslow. <-- the Winslow is in us all hth < 1404427496 602398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1404427676 744435 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I have a bed in three different houses < 1404427731 312261 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one? < 1404427732 597100 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, three different beds, each in a different house < 1404427751 974890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn and here i was about to suggest a dimensional portal business < 1404427790 995313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if any of the houses weren't on earth < 1404427799 869232 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also one of these houses is on Windmill Lane and I have NO IDEA WHERE THE WINDMILL IS < 1404427801 683026 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could've been a very long bed and the houses could've been next to each other < 1404427819 174262 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could open up a bridgekeeper business, though < 1404427823 894525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: probably got bought and destroyed by some oil company hth < 1404427834 227040 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oil? In Yorkshire!? < 1404427848 614695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well coal company then < 1404427902 710561 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there were many mines in the York area < 1404427932 613865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then WHATEVER YOU HAVE IN YORK THAT DOESN'T LIKE "GREEN" COMPETITION hth < 1404427944 79526 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...chocolate factory? < 1404427956 253835 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Railway? < 1404427963 229100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :green chocolate might have some marketing problems. < 1404428616 835264 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :potato chip makers aren't too fond of green things < 1404429137 540388 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404429237 582342 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404429262 600283 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404429265 708055 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth JOIN :#esoteric < 1404429306 35725 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404429309 404762 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404429663 870432 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-109-151.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404429789 595771 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-150.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404429970 516130 :nooodl_!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404430003 758097 :nooodl!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404430005 647211 :nooodl_!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1404430504 694397 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1404431235 835657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been trying to think of how to make a variation of the Gentzen esolang which is using linear logic, and cannot quite figure it out. < 1404431705 848796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know? < 1404431871 306446 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404432373 721416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to have knowledge about linear logic, but i gave it away < 1404432551 105211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode B♭₃ < 1404432552 729773 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0042 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER B] [U+266D MUSIC FLAT SIGN] [U+2083 SUBSCRIPT THREE] < 1404432582 986742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know it's a good character when pasting it causes putty to stall while fonts are loading < 1404432984 325100 :ski_!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se NICK :ski < 1404433302 770880 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404434103 588753 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the flat sign? < 1404434157 77472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looked that way < 1404434197 878935 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404434396 218868 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404434699 455392 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1404434822 636465 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gave it away? < 1404434859 693014 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1404434863 49030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also using PuTTY but it is only using one font so it isn't stall while fonts are loading < 1404435024 310911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today when playing at Dungeons&Dragons game, they said they needed a 30d20 damage; instead of rolling the dice so many times I suggested to use my calculator; I did that and it did work. < 1404435031 440179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The calculator is TI-92) < 1404435063 229740 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you made a dice-rolling program for it? < 1404435077 753098 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes, I have in fact done so. < 1404435096 891876 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's hady < 1404435101 638443 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :handy, even < 1404435173 576512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can enter a dice notation and then it use that one. < 1404435685 933545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well maybe it was just part of the font that was paged out < 1404435715 646176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :30d20 < 1404435715 795003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 358 < 1404435749 818198 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( my D&D group isn't getting back together until late August at the earliest < 1404435980 13087 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you win, lose, both, neither, or draw, last time? < 1404436132 519082 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404436144 843631 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION idly notices mention of linear logic < 1404436163 967198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: O, do you know much of linear logic? < 1404436239 802417 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a little bit, i'd say. not *that* much < 1404436280 624125 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like i know the basic sequent calculus rules by heart, e.g.) < 1404436302 198503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a few things; I can understand what the sequent rules are, but my problem mentioned above is not that, but rather what each rule, sequent, term, etc is meaning/doing in the kind of system I described above. < 1404436325 492759 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't really checked out this "Gentzen" esolang < 1404436351 749041 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think someone (you) mentioned it before, and i looked *very* briefly at it) < 1404436354 340901 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: Then see how it is working; it is classical logic, but I wanted to make up a similar things for linear logic. < 1404436370 995310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: Actually I think was it on a different channel or private message that I told you it before? < 1404436390 786183 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly (and possibly it wasn't you. i don't recall) < 1404436433 456641 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oops, i meant s/\(you\)/\(you \?\)/) < 1404436479 127464 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1404436490 677962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I thought you meant. < 1404436547 517725 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ctpvaoplvhxuevqu JOIN :#esoteric < 1404436598 241141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you look at it better now? Did you understand it at all by now? < 1404436636 60711 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also also aware of the linear logic sequent rules by heart) < 1404436859 720253 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404437091 232470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heily < 1404437241 393718 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yœrjan! < 1404437304 429093 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's your night going? < 1404437479 111147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty normal so far < 1404437677 338180 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, little to no ambient light, crickets chirping, frogs croaking... < 1404437687 691564 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hm. stupid question: are there crickets in Norway?) < 1404437728 980771 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404437815 37141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If this is your second time through the comics in sequence, you might just be wondering about that cat now..." ok DMM you got me there < 1404437845 860178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i don't think so? < 1404437865 546333 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-42-150.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404437880 545585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _is_ summer in norway though, the light outside would probably be enough to read by. < 1404437911 57173 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. indeed. < 1404437970 176406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this apartment is pretty well sound isolated, except for some infathomable reason my bedroom window is the _least_ isolated place. < 1404437992 273096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hearing sounds from nature would be unusual in the living room < 1404438081 253519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(none of this actually help when the builders start drilling in the walls or the neighbors' dog starts barking, though) < 1404438107 6633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dog has improved, though, it only does so for a short while at a time now. < 1404438124 646664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not in the night, only when the owners are away < 1404438184 434175 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me none of my neighbours have signed opera recently. < 1404438188 119023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i _were_ to hear any sounds from nature it would be birds, most likely seagulls < 1404438192 588625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1404438233 723812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my previous shared apartment the landlady for a few years rented out to an opera singer in the summers < 1404438245 311406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(argh) < 1404438288 899792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he was having a summer job at the neighboring ringve musical instrument museum) < 1404438309 986189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr he got a permanent job there when he graduated < 1404438379 697252 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : hm, actually i'm pretty tired atm .. :/ < 1404438382 695675 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-101.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404438403 106720 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now, the only sound suffusing through my appt is from the AC's fan. < 1404438443 97509 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound that I should be wrapping myself in, on top of my mattress. I lack sleep, and tomorrow is an orange t-shirt day. < 1404438470 209919 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night all! < 1404438475 179029 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ELLIPTIC CHICKEN < 1404438509 323498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily apparently one species, Acheta domestica, is occasionally found in norway < 1404438509 468223 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1404438785 275862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: OK < 1404438930 371571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Hell at Norway? < 1404439253 423532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, it's just a half-hour drive east of trondheim < 1404439266 886592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and next to the airport. < 1404439515 831003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact someone once suggested the bright idea of renaming the municipality and airport to hell :) < 1404439562 534295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'd be doing ~metar ENHE instead, presumably < 1404439567 365292 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404439582 876641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that's taken < 1404439601 44501 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that make them change the airport code too, though? I wouldn't think that they would have to change the airport code anyways due to such a case? < 1404439611 690778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the heidrun oil platform < 1404439627 512851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i don't know < 1404439663 250675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENHL seems vacant < 1404439700 588112 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The closest weather station with public data doesn't have metarness < 1404439722 225722 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I go to weather.elec.york.ac.uk instead < 1404439781 703512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Does it have an airport code though? < 1404439788 657581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for the actual weather forecast i go to yr.no < 1404439811 458970 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, no, it's on top of one of the buildings at my uni < 1404439902 575306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i doubt that ENHE is an airport, although they presumably have a helicopter landing area < 1404439937 775006 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK, although then it still has an airport code even though it is not an airport, isn't it? < 1404439941 608851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if that counted then hospitals would get metars too < 1404440372 697642 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1404440442 734665 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404440469 423034 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404440716 321713 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : i've been at the Godsexpedition in Hell, yes < 1404440786 458905 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1404440850 393511 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't know about it before visiting (passing by, changing trains or maybe to bus, iirc) < 1404440953 849052 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1404441134 66956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once had the pleasure of greeting an american couple with "welcome to hell" on that railway < 1404441169 515018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :("thanks a _lot_") < 1404441370 888628 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-14-184-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404441868 65895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the computer game "Super ASCII MZX Town", one area is you are at HELL, and there is a scroll lying on the ground that says "Hell is in Norway". However, it is a difficult area, with time limits, fire, lava, seekers, invisible people, and other things; and at the end of all this, they won't let you back out again until hell is freezing. < 1404441910 717751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have square pool balls in there, and there is also a telephone; however, it is the only telephone in there and only local calls are allowed. < 1404442541 267794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is very little lava in norway, actually < 1404442560 395722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a volcano on the jan mayen island, far from the mainland < 1404442667 442743 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Isn't breaking the rules like, against the rules?" < 1404442884 687796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but, this is just a computer game anyways < 1404442894 597099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, but what about the meta-rules? < 1404442942 426705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly ULES doesn't seem to be an ICAO code < 1404443007 718391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ICAO codes are also used to identify other aviation facilities such as weather stations, International Flight Service Stations or Area Control Centers, whether or not they are located at airports." < 1404443025 438584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that somewhat answers a previous question < 1404443029 552751 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meta-rules: You are not allowed to follow the rules or the meta-rules. < 1404443048 213925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i'm sorry that's a meta-meta-rule < 1404443067 430207 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, iirc, my brother visited Jan Mayen < 1404443112 721450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :UL appears to be north western russia < 1404443288 755536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :metar ULSS is in st petersburg < 1404443328 375832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's been closed < 1404444111 983534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think that, the only way that breaking the rules is not against the rules, is if it is inconsistent, isn't it? < 1404444219 330291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can get a little subtle with games where you are allowed to "break" the rules as long as you aren't caught < 1404444266 122993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it matters what you interpret as the "real" rules < 1404444278 511689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes in that case, it is allowed in some cases, but I suppose still it is sort of like a kind of other level of rules < 1404447964 902170 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm eating ice cream and just watched a movie about Gerta stealing her friend back from the ice queen. So when boily mentioned hearing an air conditioner I was like "wait, isn't it winter?". < 1404448137 657168 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I have trouble telling the difference between reality and what I see on the computer < 1404449118 520790 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404450333 864651 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404451491 689201 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There have been arguments in Agora about it < 1404451509 297060 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it acceptable to break the rules if a penalty is specified < 1404451509 441541 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1404451647 807820 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: In many games where it is like that, I have assumed it is acceptable if a penalty is specified. < 1404451701 843071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as no-ten riichi requiring you to pay everyone in case of an exhaustive draw and otherwise it specifies that there is no penalty. < 1404451901 972740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(However, some games do have rules that specify that the penalty for professional fouls is disqualification.) < 1404451926 393569 :doesthiswork!~Adium@c-24-21-236-66.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404452367 735605 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1404452563 486263 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would I do compression of pattern data in a Fasttracker file? There is patterns and then a playback order to tell which pattern to play. Basically the problem is this: I now have a sequence of rows, and need to place then into lists of rows called patterns, together with a list of pattern numbers, such that concatenating the patterns together in order specified by the order list (duplicates are allowed) results in the original sequence of rows < 1404453129 835570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would something resembling byte pair encoding work? < 1404453453 545719 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-kdsskvtxotvrqbpb QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404453458 708252 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404453677 333702 :newsham_!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net NICK :newsham < 1404453834 221122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something pairwise would've been my first thought too, though I suspect it leads to something greedy that's not always optimal. (A similar approach "from the other direction" would be to find the longest sub"string" that occurs at least twice, and start from there.) < 1404453840 769678 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1404453971 675013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, OK, although what is the best way to do that, then? < 1404454009 533973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can find the longest repeated substring with a suffix tree very much like those used for the longest common substring thing. < 1404454051 721937 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, Wikipedia explains that. < 1404454108 719326 :doesthiswork!~Adium@c-24-21-236-66.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1404454120 81158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm not sure if that works for longest repeated non-overlapping substring. < 1404454126 945202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have to leave now, anyhow. -> < 1404454304 580189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the effective length of each row may differ. < 1404455194 887511 :impomatic!~john_metc@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404455344 667898 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-175-98-12.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404456608 998788 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-piolexjiyexgoift JOIN :#esoteric < 1404457890 540454 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40051&oldid=40021 5* 03Maxdefolsch 5* (+680) 10/* SBFI */ < 1404458162 859063 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40052&oldid=40051 5* 03Maxdefolsch 5* (+301) 10 < 1404458965 808219 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1404459426 55030 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tweak14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40053&oldid=40034 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+12) 10I have no idea how this works, which means it's still a stub. < 1404459610 322065 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404460182 291555 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Text14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40054&oldid=40049 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-10) 10/* Development of a compiler */ count, fmt, link, avoid going off tape < 1404460539 169148 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404460553 530661 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404461729 894966 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404461730 75737 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404462006 405940 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1404462088 964935 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ctpvaoplvhxuevqu QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1404462336 128902 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION idly wonders whether zzo38 has any favourite module zaks < 1404464820 797774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1404465849 641993 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404466352 71496 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40055&oldid=40007 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+626) 10/* Performance Matrix */ < 1404466412 306156 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40057&oldid=40052 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+1948) 10/* SBFI */ < 1404468616 973822 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT 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:vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404471367 655120 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Client Quit < 1404471376 227706 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404471622 330963 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: REMONSTRABLE CHICKEN < 1404471724 402808 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40058&oldid=40057 5* 03Maxdefolsch 5* (+357) 10 < 1404472436 330199 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1404472557 851313 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404472788 232807 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1404473600 443566 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1404477679 380291 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1404478166 327125 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1404478393 808039 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404479795 321833 :Slereah_!~jackal@11.111.101.84.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404480680 243929 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404481227 581133 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we are staring at this haskell code with IORefs to Maps < 1404481249 486452 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmap <- readIORef cMapRef < 1404481274 991905 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let cmap = Map.insert foo bar cmap < 1404481288 66298 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :writeIORef cMapRef cmap < 1404481297 371253 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which fails at a later lookup < 1404481322 731204 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :writeIORef cMapRef (Map.insert foo bar cmap) works just fine < 1404481325 557936 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1404481427 493002 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40059&oldid=40058 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+359) 10/* SBFI */ < 1404481955 399964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would help if you told us the error < 1404482035 650271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm somewhat suspicious of the let x = f x part, but I'm not really a Haskellist. < 1404482272 332218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, compare and contrast: < 1404482283 968991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do { x <- return [1]; let { y = 1:x }; return y } :: Maybe [Int] < 1404482285 217696 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just [1,1] < 1404482289 786546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do { x <- return [1]; let { x = 1:x }; return x } :: Maybe [Int] < 1404482291 113677 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just [1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,... < 1404482393 513488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Your code seems to expect the "cmap" on the left side of the let be different from the "cmap" on the right side.) < 1404482446 442226 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: <> < 1404482457 897419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, see above. < 1404482486 500902 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes totally sense < 1404482499 124044 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the insert is lazy, too? < 1404482525 755850 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the insert will only be done once i make a lookup? < 1404482720 743460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I totally missed the error < 1404483314 945454 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1404483370 799939 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404483553 971095 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1404483979 882729 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404484027 859822 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404484230 255165 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.159 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404484685 1285 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404484732 309495 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404485029 734934 :axtens!~axtens@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404485039 51827 :axtens!~axtens@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au PART :#esoteric < 1404485456 103858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1404485457 706510 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09memfrcoin 02lola/mcoin 06regischesecoin 13lartacoin 04gundalucoin 07theolacoin 08cellcoin 09baldinicoin 02obtcoin 06includercoin 13mcfarcoin 04crtlingcoin 07bfjousewecoin 08raagcoin 093cacoin 02scercoin 06schroupsillcoin 13norfcoin 04etencoin 07ovecoin < 1404485474 455485 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like a lolcat coins style and a BANCStar coins style < 1404485898 111792 :Slereah_!~jackal@11.111.101.84.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like mcfartcoin < 1404485918 810466 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are these hackego coins? < 1404486083 40977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suggestions for new cryptocurrency names. < 1404486154 899242 :bug-magnet!~Thunderbi@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404486260 361884 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfjousewe is interesting < 1404486965 340677 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404486969 856041 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404487145 367828 :barrucadu!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu NICK :classic_barrucad < 1404487158 286767 :classic_barrucad!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu NICK :barrucadu < 1404487678 977027 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bacoin would be the best new cryptocurrency name. < 1404487807 129043 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1404487890 227061 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1404488046 238070 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :coercoin < 1404488209 483703 :bug-magnet!~Thunderbi@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404489428 883588 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BANCStar coins would be a nice choice thematically. < 1404489457 4695 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cats < 1404489459 386381 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meow meow meow meow < 1404489491 481607 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat dog < 1404489491 931555 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ < 1404489493 280029 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jscoin < 1404489499 465652 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the future is js! < 1404489514 680719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like bitcoin except the scripts are in javascript? < 1404489536 990074 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just the big picture guy < 1404489540 181928 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys can work out the details < 1404489548 427963 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect that's end up pronoucned "jus' coin". < 1404489562 710786 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that'd < 1404489587 553941 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you run it in nodejs compiled to jsasm running in v8 < 1404490205 894803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: Sorry I did not answer your question about "module zaks" I was sleeping. < 1404490283 301975 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404490651 554947 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404491864 252543 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404491958 594400 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://this-plt-life.tumblr.com/post/36425234294/when-i-see-that-a-new-language-makes-a-difference < 1404491973 474691 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of good reasons for such a distinction. I guess I automatically think of Racket < 1404492037 542553 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :racket has statements? < 1404492076 724935 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of distinction? < 1404492086 535725 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404492116 396583 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404492175 747507 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: require and define are statements, I think < 1404492228 363361 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :internal defines are stupid, though. < 1404492244 42032 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not being able to require dynamically (at least not in normal usage) allows static determination of dependencies. Although I guess could be done in an expression-y way < 1404492252 356000 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: :( how so? I think they're a good idea < 1404492312 344821 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes parsing harder for no very good reason. you have to have all the relevant forms deal with them specially and that complicates things. why not just use letrec? < 1404492356 492676 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i'm not sure i'd count that as a "statement", since it's part of the syntax of theh form around it. not an expression though. < 1404492389 895942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is Forth which is impossible to parse without executing it. < 1404492444 811443 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course, this has advantages and disadvantages.) < 1404492500 258287 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get interested in Racket again. Start working on those lenses < 1404494068 816118 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be addicted to Gravity Falls < 1404494456 707203 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing wrong with that. < 1404495100 256689 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404495423 817202 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-175-98-12.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404495619 66100 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes there is: I didn't pace myself, and am about to finish watching all episodes in 3 days. I'll need to wait until August for more. < 1404495634 449358 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a job < 1404495866 485718 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1404496399 252639 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good idea. *hops into time machine to March 2013* < 1404496553 233112 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07PHL 1.014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40060&oldid=39561 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+53) 10/* (summary), External resources */ links; deadlink: I am having problems with my server < 1404496619 882954 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Goldfish14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40061&oldid=39852 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+26) 10/* External resources */ deadlink < 1404497582 321714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 54 < 1404497582 907915 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 54: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1404498529 353344 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.159 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1404498735 290737 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@cust.static.46-14-131-20.swisscomdata.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1404498791 389434 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40062&oldid=40046 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+30) 10/* The structure of the program */ lines: I think these help < 1404499203 699027 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404500075 596219 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : np < 1404500100 901051 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not that common to run into someone who knows what a tracker is < 1404500198 43147 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 'd count a `define' form as a declaration .. < 1404500275 843477 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can also think of some reasons to distinguish commands from expressions < 1404500325 965571 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and also to distinguish statements from expressions, where statements are like these logical formulae you can type in logical programming languages) < 1404501804 516588 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-19659.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1404502024 968646 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if any conspiracy nuts ... think something interesting about Gravity Falls < 1404502234 348376 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the hell is there no function for base62 String -> String conversion in Data.Locator? :( < 1404502272 972049 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :62? < 1404502284 335959 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no special chars < 1404502354 541604 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i want to transform a given string with unicode to something that is a valid function name in llvm < 1404502362 61951 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :base62 would be suitable < 1404502494 922542 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Infobox proglang14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40063 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+1033) 10to be used on SYCPOL page < 1404502541 368118 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40064&oldid=40062 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-225) 10/* (summary) */ template < 1404502633 733348 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Infobox proglang14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40065&oldid=40063 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+31) 10/* (template code), (SYCPOL example) */ bold, how it is really used on the SYCPOL page < 1404502677 600780 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Disney’s latest show, Gravity Falls, they show everyone which masters they truly serve. They really don’t give a shit who knows it, either. If anyone had doubts about their connections to the ‘Illuminati’, I’m sure this show validates everything. Disney has always shown who they serve, but this time they’ve let everything ‘hang out’." < 1404502707 21482 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1404502894 320983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Do you know what range of character it is using? Is it full Unicode? A superset? A subset? What are more common, would UTF-8 help at all? < 1404502918 952804 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtu.be/fOjSSj-WTkQ?t=2m53s this person... doesn't seem to know what the zodiac is < 1404502921 572971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: I also did not understand your question < 1404502923 785237 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally it'll convert every valid haskell string < 1404502958 465906 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : since you were mentioning Fasttracker, i figured perhaps you had some favourite modules < 1404502961 325188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Then, as far as I can tell, all character codes from 0 to 0x10FFFF even ones that aren't valid Unicode characters, but nothing beyond that. < 1404502967 280897 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Goldfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40066&oldid=40061 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+233) 10/* (summary) */ template < 1404502973 124999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: O, well, I don't really know if I have any favourite. < 1404502995 859880 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: question is: what is the easiest and most reliable way to convert it < 1404503124 207484 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Infobox proglang14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40067&oldid=40065 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+119) 10computational class < 1404503199 355716 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Goldfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40068&oldid=40066 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+53) 10turing complete < 1404503326 231995 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in LLVM you can use quotation marks to allow any character inside of a name. < 1404503342 311753 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1404503346 95494 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorcery < 1404503354 69641 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will check that < 1404503385 52954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it allows 8-bit characters, then you can just use UTF-8. < 1404503418 841257 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not allow all of ascii < 1404503430 775952 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple exampe: spaces < 1404503443 614988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "any character can be used in a name value" in that part of the instructions? < 1404503466 547523 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404503469 94233 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1404503526 440297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See LangRef.html#identifiers < 1404503552 746195 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is quoting also mentioned? < 1404503586 57790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it says if you want to use any character other than [a-zA-Z$._0-9] then you have to use quotation marks, and you can use \ for any character code in hexadecimal. < 1404503700 266802 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404503789 91065 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :puritypunisher < 1404504051 267709 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can just name a function "foo bar" and it'll work? < 1404504056 456564 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awesome < 1404504099 299816 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@athedsl-19659.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1404504174 499617 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-19659.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404504175 262093 :puritypunisher!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1404504346 327265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I expect it will work, although I have not tried. < 1404504346 471625 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18930.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1404504495 347954 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@athedsl-19659.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404504598 449418 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18930.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404504649 796066 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lii14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40069&oldid=39814 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+861) 10/* (summary), Related languages */ template; new section < 1404504668 340740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: The reason I was asking such question though, is so that I can make my program to make smaller .XM files; currently it always uses 64 rows each and never uses a pattern more than once. < 1404505221 434669 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-14-184-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mutters at his new router < 1404505227 131459 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Infobox proglang14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40070&oldid=40067 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+150) 10dimensions < 1404505234 792019 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-14-184-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good bit: it does codel, and it's wonderful. < 1404505243 358272 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-14-184-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad bit: WHY DOES IPv6 NOT WORK :( < 1404505286 223678 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Twocode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40071&oldid=40017 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+398) 10/* (summary) */ template < 1404505367 697800 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-101.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404505430 249277 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-211-47.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404505511 886774 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help my trunk won't open < 1404505783 584935 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try your boot. < 1404505911 114063 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Infobox proglang14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40072&oldid=40070 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+105) 10memory system < 1404505938 455367 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1404505970 196313 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40073&oldid=40064 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+51) 10/* (summary) */ memsys < 1404505996 952223 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Infobox proglang14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40074&oldid=40072 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+0) 10lowercase one-dimensional < 1404506463 433942 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Infobox proglang14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40075&oldid=40074 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+86) 10made dimensions optional < 1404506472 754977 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40076&oldid=40073 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+56) 10 < 1404506786 722453 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@cust.static.46-14-131-20.swisscomdata.ch QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404506826 350538 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-17124.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1404506841 54537 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Forobj14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40077&oldid=39605 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+429) 10/* (summary) */ template < 1404507091 847918 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Infobox proglang14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40078&oldid=40075 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+29) 10made influence optional < 1404507150 965217 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07PHL 1.014]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40079&oldid=40060 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+356) 10/* (summary) */ template < 1404507627 329857 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-17124.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404508801 197378 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404509340 113947 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : is it a converter program ? < 1404509565 209248 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: It is a program to write music with. < 1404510919 932617 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tracker ? or a different kind of program ? < 1404511030 797498 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that kind of tracker < 1404511045 693086 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the (nitro|milky)tracker kind < 1404511080 480260 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which tracker you write XMs with? < 1404511272 55982 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :milkytracker and modplug tracker/openmpt, are i guess what most people use < 1404511307 107901 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one uses FT2 anymore? < 1404511327 717433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using a program I wrote myself, called AmigaMML < 1404511332 329830 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1404511338 714393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not a real tracker program < 1404511343 274235 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it then < 1404511349 757099 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :XM generator? < 1404511350 5598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is Music Macro Language < 1404511354 219317 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1404511356 998346 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. < 1404511374 377318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write the music in a text file and then run it through the program to produce a .MOD or .XM file. < 1404511380 762795 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I see. < 1404511386 575267 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does it get samples from? in case of XM ? < 1404511392 45876 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or mod either) < 1404511406 79034 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have an example input? < 1404511409 29084 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In either case, you can either synthesize the samples or load them from other files. < 1404511410 818099 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds interesting < 1404511413 852090 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has FT2 < 1404511420 328914 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the synthesis is also part of the markup language? < 1404511452 266550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :scoofy: Yes, if the filename to load the samples from starts with "#" or "+" or "?" or "PAD_" then it uses the built-in synthesizer to generate the data. < 1404511480 374195 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a-ha. < 1404511483 625320 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have an example input? < 1404511489 586936 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.txt) < 1404511489 995359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the case of "PAD_" it only does it if the file does not already exist, because it is slow) < 1404511507 260005 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an example output? :) < 1404511518 687799 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though i've more commonly played music in Startrekker. on *nix i mostly use mikmod and UADE atm; on windows, either DeliPlayer, or Oldsk00l with WinAmp) < 1404511523 21305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :scoofy: Not right now, because I am still working on it, and I have tested some things, but I do have documentation and wiki and stuff if you want to see it. < 1404511533 114721 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: I have OpenMPT and use that to play music. < 1404511533 259134 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1404511547 225199 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : it looks ok < 1404511559 43620 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, u have an url? < 1404511580 197405 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : which platforms are AmigaMML running on ? < 1404511583 594053 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :scoofy: Yes. It is: https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/projects/amigamml < 1404511586 187009 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(any Amiga ? ;) < 1404511586 331832 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1404511608 698046 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: It is written in C. I don't know if it is actually capable of running on Amiga, but if you use .MOD output then the music should be able to play on Amiga. < 1404511669 246433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I cannot test it on Amiga since I don't have any. But, maybe someone can get it to run on Amiga and use the Amiga sound chip to make the music with.) < 1404511720 871890 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION constantly misreads "zzo38" as "zzgo", out of the corner of the eye .. < 1404511762 819976 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.. probably due to "Bards Tale II: The Destiny Knight") < 1404511819 17538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want you are allowed to post messages in this wiki, issues, forums. < 1404512046 581592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The OpenID claims that the SREG fields called "nickname", "fullname", and "email" are required. Actually, they are only required if you do not already have an account (and if you omit them, it will ask you again anyways); if you already have an account then you can safely omit them. < 1404512305 58175 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, so you have no example inputs or outputs currently? < 1404512356 442747 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :scoofy: That is correct currently I have none. Eventually I probably will have, though. Just currently I am working more on the programming. < 1404512368 763763 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... how did you even test it? < 1404512372 77491 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404512404 792461 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tested it by writing input file and check output files, but, they aren't a full music, only a test, so they aren't very useful. < 1404512414 411246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyways it is just one file I change to make the tests I need. < 1404512424 613622 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't save them... < 1404512443 712070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is correct; they are just a test so I don't need to save them. < 1404512458 74072 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even for others to run the same test(s) ? < 1404512486 195741 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because without some example filtes, it may be a bit hard to figure out how it works... < 1404512486 340119 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1404512536 537878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are probably correct, that examples would help. < 1404512569 933956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to post in wiki or forums or issues if you have such things to write, too. < 1404512584 894552 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, was just curious how the input would look like < 1404512589 408199 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how the output would sound like < 1404512722 3261 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to know how the output is sound like, you are free to try it. The input might look like A o2l4v64@0 cdefgab>c to play a scale in instrument 0 on channel A. You have to define the instrument too, for example @0 = "instrument1" loads it from the file called "instrument1". < 1404512755 13876 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, these kind of examples are the ones that would be useful < 1404512759 424830 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also other commands, such as #TITLE set the title, #EXTENDED makes .XM output instead of .MOD, #TEMPO sets the tempo, and so on. < 1404512836 664956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To use the built-in synthesizer, you can do for example @0 = "# L" means a square wave. < 1404512969 18141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you write "# 2xL 2L" then it will make two square waves, one being one octave higher but half volume. If you write "# L16", then you can make a 25% duty square wave. If you write "# N", then it makes a saw wave. If you write "# V" then it is a triangle wave. < 1404513129 650292 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1404513690 891710 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18682.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1404514315 24447 :S1!~S1@p4FF92715.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404514546 469199 :S1!~S1@p4FF92715.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who made the Brainfuck survey and what for? < 1404514559 634357 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF survey? < 1404514573 109164 :S1!~S1@p4FF92715.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the channel topic < 1404514582 601191 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps head < 1404514730 418417 :S1!~S1@p4FF92715.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the difference between text mode and binary mode here? < 1404514770 71777 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : ok < 1404514776 77673 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: no idea < 1404515883 361976 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it refers to newline handling < 1404515909 286876 :S1!~S1@p4FF92715.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :How? < 1404516010 3550 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would there need to be a special command for setting the title? isn't the title in the prompt file so you can set it with an ordinary arithmetic instruction? < 1404516048 972780 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh look, GreyKnight had written more BANCStar stuff to the wiki < 1404516090 618176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen it too < 1404516304 982935 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the "prompt file" something the BANCStar interpreter uses, or is it just for annotating the code for humans? < 1404516320 225046 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for the pretty-priter < 1404516351 909542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the prompt file is used to store data displayed by the BANCStar interpreter < 1404516367 266014 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1404516373 350384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And presumably as well as string literals which are used in other ways in the program < 1404516414 799226 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Javamannen 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:BytePusher II.gif10]]": Pushing even more bytes < 1404516676 317908 :ineiros!~itniemin@hasturlovelace.cloud.tilaa.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404516917 947521 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404516977 149718 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BytePusher II14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40081&oldid=40028 5* 03Javamannen 5* (-274) 10A logo. < 1404517223 369366 :S1!~S1@p4FF92715.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 30.0/20140608211810] < 1404517612 231939 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404517727 516796 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1404519501 113006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1404520020 539596 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404520193 265294 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1404520388 310899 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1404520795 965074 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404521000 272729 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404521847 269607 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404521847 414429 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404521977 128257 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1404521980 607977 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Client Quit < 1404521989 260824 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404522380 711986 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404522380 856436 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404522389 186199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is the weather forecast showing this scary "29" number < 1404522650 259099 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404523256 681724 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary how? < 1404523364 307535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's too damn hot hth < 1404523380 291793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i think this is on topic http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1902 < 1404523407 952398 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my apologies, I forgot to automatically ignore anything ending in hth < 1404523410 431724 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1404523424 187286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem hth < 1404523509 252198 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, done < 1404523522 732915 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I won't see you say hth hth < 1404523556 481897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA* now coppro will be unable to stop my plans hth < 1404523564 652298 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it's broken < 1404523585 90234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses foiled again tdnh < 1404523599 226953 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404523611 81931 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :think I fixed it < 1404523748 734000 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404523755 762982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro will be so confused from now < 1404523970 340969 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1404523979 228952 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never say anything helpful ending in hth < 1404524117 980580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am starting to think people have some kind of irrational hatred of the poor hths < 1404524392 783140 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do < 1404524449 377956 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404524449 522489 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404524628 805262 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404524726 410621 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404525047 809816 :nooodl_!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404525237 835231 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1404525760 37744 :nooodl_!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1404525985 325108 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some people do have such hatred I don't know. Other people probably hate other things, I think, whether or not there is a reason to do so. < 1404526004 741526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, in a Dungeons&Dragons game I have to beat Aberration Hater. < 1404526023 891643 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404526382 326815 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404528289 199561 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1404528812 281975 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404529085 907440 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An alright 4th of July, now to sleep. < 1404529092 373859 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1404529321 341536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and 4th of July is not a holiday in Canada, but we still have a Fourth of July even though it is not a holiday. < 1404529650 677313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy spam day! < 1404529722 504103 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404531450 692627 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1404531858 202888 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Rdebath14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40082&oldid=40059 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+274) 10unsigned pandemic < 1404531892 218109 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404532251 188732 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1404532556 302098 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404532556 446783 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404533236 11955 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woohoo! https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/ApplicativeDo < 1404533355 786994 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently a lot of people don't think it makes much sense < 1404534241 646192 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1404534809 353023 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1404535264 236399 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Sortle14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40083&oldid=31011 5* 03Graue 5* (+2) 10link to main-namespace author page instead of user page < 1404535289 648269 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404535321 444974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue is alive! < 1404535358 322063 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1404535358 466517 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404535443 799480 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404536218 755598 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1404536793 362632 :bug-magnet!~Thunderbi@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404538839 612039 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1404538882 244849 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404539767 326077 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404539767 470662 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404539873 320712 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404540054 347769 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404540089 305310 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404540089 449954 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404540307 309022 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404540342 294326 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404541110 345148 :bug-magnet!~Thunderbi@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404541271 110020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would an optimizer working on target machine instructions suitable like: You have a commutativity function taking two instruction and tell you if it is commutative or not. You have a set of triples (A,B,C) where a series of instructions (A,X,B) where X consists of instructions commutative with A is converted into (X,C). < 1404541949 95122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this reasonable? < 1404542307 464453 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^0 < 1404542711 920712 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having trouble parsing the last sentence < 1404542773 425949 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I can rewrite it then. < 1404542806 394379 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you end up with (a,(x,c),b)? < 1404542818 390773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a set of rules which are triples (A,B,C) which means that if an instruction matching A is found, followed by zero or more instructions that commute with A, followed by an instruction matching B, that it should remove A and replace B with C. < 1404542837 65480 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: No. Now I rewrote it; does this help? < 1404542910 303019 :bug-magnet!~Thunderbi@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404542910 483633 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I understand now < 1404543428 624118 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it work, and how can tables be made to done efficiently? < 1404543460 932182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A, B, and C could all be patterns for a single instruction which include parameters passed to other patterns. < 1404543843 152011 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1404544031 512817 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404545193 897829 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404545370 863345 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have enough experience with efficiency to know < 1404545471 152133 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But does it seem a reasonable way to do a instruction code optimization at all? < 1404545782 865310 :Guest51806!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404545813 620292 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Roblox wiki helpfully documents undocumented features of Lua < 1404545818 639225 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.roblox.com/index.php?title=Newproxy#newproxy < 1404546033 851473 :Guest51806!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404546580 288813 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1404546609 312473 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1404547386 414474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (957) < 1404547387 386457 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (957): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1404547539 997906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1404548042 151757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :prophecy fulfilment in 1,2... < 1404548063 991323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :five...oops... < 1404548400 272537 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404549339 948211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other thing I wanted to know, is how to generate AI for computer-RPG game. < 1404549368 785473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Including by automatic generation) < 1404549372 608399 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :< Sgeo> Woohoo! https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/ApplicativeDo – “desugaring comes after typechecking” really? < 1404549532 288745 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-piolexjiyexgoift QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404549645 150286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this should even be including such thing as deception, and learning about the target, and so on. < 1404550230 280847 :GermanyBoy!~iikka@a91-154-145-80.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1404550402 71709 :GermanyBoy!~iikka@a91-154-145-80.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1404551035 404226 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Infobox proglang14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40084&oldid=40078 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+253) 10made refimpl optional if majorimpl is present < 1404551282 931947 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-fvqnwbshixzfbide JOIN :#esoteric < 1404551605 513611 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404551607 180961 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404551659 839045 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40085&oldid=39102 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+141) 10/* Infoboxes? */ < 1404551801 552382 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404551988 296856 :Slereah_!~jackal@11.111.101.84.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404552095 735873 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404552111 174296 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40086&oldid=40076 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+12) 10 < 1404553104 890131 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18682.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1404553353 887599 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18682.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404553531 285141 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404553811 81894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: really. it's so that type errors can still give error messages accurately referring to source. < 1404553930 487625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Etc. < 1404554639 714404 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In Idris typechecking happens after elaboration, which does part of the desugaring, while the parser does the other part of the desugaring. The way to refer back is to keep around the original source spans provided by the parser. Yes, this sometimes gives horrendous errors when using custom sugar or even type functions.) < 1404554918 693198 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404554918 875673 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404555411 110783 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1404555411 736709 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404555415 489870 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404556925 632726 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-inqpdukmlepiydsc JOIN :#esoteric < 1404557282 958066 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1404557362 931307 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-44-204.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1404557405 434606 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-44-204.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1404557405 579000 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1404558607 548398 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1404558667 847603 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404558684 738726 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404558698 873002 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404558884 244844 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404558890 890466 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404558893 700514 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404558963 869457 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404559165 252924 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1404559427 47716 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404560076 260621 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1404560374 820170 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1404563091 941331 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1404564969 476684 :heroux!~heroux@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404565238 244414 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404565262 743721 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404565980 254699 :heroux!~heroux@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404566301 465505 :heroux!~heroux@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404567221 601619 :heroux!~heroux@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404567339 658920 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“ISIS Europe projects reflect a wealth of experience in peace-building, crisis management, gender and security reform, and integrating web 2.0 into the security and defence sectors.” http://isis-europe.org/ < 1404568258 930273 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404568323 888716 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18682.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404568845 483876 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404568888 982408 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-inqpdukmlepiydsc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1404568932 19029 :heroux!~heroux@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404569073 898080 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404569156 210780 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1404569243 454089 :heroux!~heroux@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404569607 675712 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1404570322 644886 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1404570392 895205 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18682.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1404570573 893465 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404570728 219453 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404571483 407250 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1404573197 180875 :vifino!~vifino@f051228122.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404573291 822739 :bug-magnet!~Thunderbi@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au QUIT :Quit: bug-magnet < 1404574162 658149 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1404574328 902607 :^0!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1404575403 891466 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18682.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404575506 355858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mention of how to above to replace pairs of instructions with a single one, is seems, if commutativity is omitted, to be something like the method of replacing a pair of letters with the ligature. < 1404575551 781135 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ɮ < 1404575553 376581 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+026E LATIN SMALL LETTER LEZH] < 1404575645 884214 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fails at pronouncing /l/ and /ʒ/ at the same time... < 1404575665 310789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404575671 990197 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1404575672 135126 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1d 14h 6m 2s ago: apparently one species, Acheta domestica, is occasionally found in norway < 1404575770 20300 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: You take a [l] and then tighten it to a fricative. < 1404575865 33467 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. hm. indeed. tdh. < 1404575908 8241 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you can devoice it to get [ɬ]. < 1404575970 203429 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that phone actually used in an actual language? < 1404575981 148754 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which? < 1404576048 584700 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one, the devoiced one, the one that mysteriously renders in my terminal. < 1404576086 296907 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cxskwpfrrfiibklw JOIN :#esoteric < 1404576101 173364 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_alveolar_lateral_fricative has a longish list. < 1404576241 164788 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welsh is the usual example, where it’s spelled ‹ll›. < 1404576388 859910 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many different languages... < 1404576462 261258 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: TELOMERIC CHICKEN < 1404577968 317423 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404579032 798833 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Dweymouth 5* 10New user account < 1404579888 328796 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Arborealis14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40087&oldid=23326 5* 03Dweymouth 5* (+327) 10Added my interpreter < 1404580183 217233 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Arborealis14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40088&oldid=34233 5* 03Dweymouth 5* (+209) 10Added interpreters < 1404581013 353853 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404581150 809417 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404581596 542496 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1404582526 136036 :vifino!~vifino@f051228122.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Quit: Me sais Laptop sleepy. < 1404583210 688997 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404584702 411697 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1404585276 121327 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404585303 921281 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404585459 382560 :vifino!~vifino@f051228122.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404587571 872327 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404588417 19575 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404589501 822501 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404589591 73952 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404590008 906103 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can wales be a country? < 1404590125 902244 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404590504 329203 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, long story < 1404590704 752833 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame rome < 1404590783 347260 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1404591225 230078 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40089&oldid=40086 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+48) 10I finally implemented it! ~ added links to VISCIM-JA < 1404591589 842486 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1404592520 75326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1404592999 314075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The TFM format has eight kind of ligature ops, which are =: |=: |=:> =:| =:|> |=:| |=:|> |=:|>> < 1404593038 220634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to do the kinds of optimization I was mentioning before though, the last three ops aren't needed. < 1404593787 922641 :vifino!~vifino@f051228122.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Quit: Me sais Laptop sleepy. < 1404593818 226040 :vifino!~vifino@f051228122.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404594108 256038 :vifino!~vifino@f051228122.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404594331 582764 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404594331 763824 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the TFM format? < 1404594355 234085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a font metrics format used in TeX and METAFONT. < 1404594366 210374 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1404594370 36396 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "dvi-processing" Haskell library also uses it. < 1404594558 696911 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric : The Roblox wiki helpfully documents undocumented features of Lua ← as does the lua-users wiki, FWIW < 1404594868 131011 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1404595488 491517 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1404595506 686804 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404596407 197623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get people who complain about the axiom of choice being non-constructive < 1404596437 225207 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the time you're working with uncountable sets you've thrown constructivism to the wind anyway, what's the big issue < 1404596567 928904 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404596592 753656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think it is a problem; you can make the theory with or without axiom of choice, as you can make the logic with or without law of excluded middle. < 1404596622 478343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: uncountability and constructivism aren't incompatible < 1404596753 69595 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, let me rephrase; by the time you've defined the reals, you've thrown constructivism to the wind < 1404597201 485238 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404597210 242335 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1404597247 818467 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1404597421 272664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not really < 1404597431 904885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just might not be able to construct uncomputable ones < 1404597451 425984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't prove they don't exist though < 1404597460 300391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set being the familiar reals is consistent < 1404597564 483756 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets do math with the ones we know how to talk about < 1404597806 646379 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404597940 71096 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1404598007 17848 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is the axiom of choice still even nonconstructive on constructive sets then < 1404598287 633936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :intensional choice is a theorem of type theory at least < 1404598295 585010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but extensional choice implies lem and is not < 1404598569 376862 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404598697 149909 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I'm distracting myself from writing terrible Python by reading terrible PHP < 1404598745 490693 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-211-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not read "More Tales of Pirx the Pilot", a collection of delightful science-fiction short stories by the famous author Stanislaw Lem < 1404598776 489978 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws a few copies of LYAH and Land of LISP towards Taneb with great informational force < 1404598792 41061 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I have read LYAH < 1404598804 462480 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And programmed mostly in Haskell for a few years now < 1404598810 877296 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have however not read Land of LISP < 1404598818 48411 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that yes < 1404598830 150354 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-211-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1404598944 17818 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bikello. < 1404598956 821179 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the latter is quite mindwarping. < 1404599005 812922 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-211-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't land of lisp the one with a bunch of gaems < 1404599069 498055 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the one with that... thing? with legs? < 1404599076 397552 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also eyes. can't forget the eyes. < 1404599184 323006 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404599366 801449 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up land of lisp < 1404599429 190961 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is looking for a lisp cartridge for the Electron and Vic 20 :-) < 1404599467 267757 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn you a structure and interpretation of computer programs for great good < 1404599529 130091 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the c64 "microlisp" work in vic20? < 1404599550 100668 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but I doubt it. < 1404599574 593745 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah, doesnt seem to, from my searches < 1404599586 997329 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric 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760623 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404602593 78448 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1404603321 128856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1404603595 572138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : “ISIS Europe projects reflect a wealth of experience in peace-building, crisis management, gender and security reform, and integrating web 2.0 into the security and defence sectors.” http://isis-europe.org/ <-- nothing about good naming practices? < 1404603652 600921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's officially just is now, i hear. < 1404603675 251777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ion “ISIS Europe projects reflect a wealth of experience in peace-building, crisis management, gender and security reform, and integrating web 2.0 into the security and defence sectors.” http://isis-europe.org/ <-- nothing about good naming practices? < 1404603675 396794 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1404604328 266599 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404604462 890405 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1404605072 522378 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham : heh, that reminds me i found a Prolog for C64 :) < 1404605161 650386 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : oh .. i thought you were talking about TFMX for a second .. < 1404605697 850621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: Well, it isn't. < 1404607576 311664 :nooodl_!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404607608 648293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Help I'm distracting myself from writing terrible Python by reading terrible PHP < 1404607614 745305 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1212) Help I'm distracting myself from writing terrible Python by reading terrible PHP < 1404607671 255349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's probably less evil than the reverse (or is it converse) < 1404607811 809851 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1404607876 215546 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: obviously it's the obverse. < 1404607893 718390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1404607998 156654 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. you really shouldn't be taking me at face value there. I have no fungotting clue what I'm talking about. < 1404607998 466597 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i was just unsure whether it had already been interned fnord not use j much... he was bugging me. < 1404608031 370236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i think that's the perfect qualification for this conversation hth < 1404608073 113028 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh. m. < 1404608189 525683 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help, I need to stop being so reluctant to watch shows that are nominally kids' shows < 1404608238 573775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, if it is a show you like then watch it, otherwise, please don't watch it. < 1404608243 251401 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK?????????????? < 1404608261 620185 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm specifically referring to shows that I haven't seen before. Shows that I've watched some of and know I like will continue to be watched < 1404608374 267371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. < 1404608381 663244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1404608408 920935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words you need to watch children's shows or be DOOMED < 1404608437 868273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If you have not seen it before, then you must learn. < 1404608506 480758 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtu.be/_kNvcxwJVs4 < 1404608556 839698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Denne videoen er ikke tilgjengelig i ditt land. tdnh. < 1404608621 649275 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :halp. I'm understanding Norwegian. < 1404608634 226978 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this one? → http://youtu.be/oh4tHpUflDA < 1404608645 949879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MVAHAHAHÅ* < 1404608653 594570 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hm. it has lyrics. the lyrics, they are dirty.) < 1404608684 675684 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: care to provide an audio clip of your evil voice, so that I can know how you sound like? plzkthxtwh < 1404608711 785874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: too much work hth < 1404608984 708199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, malaysia doesn't have a president. < 1404609072 494344 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...??? < 1404609081 780195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see comments) < 1404609120 313367 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I unsee youtube comments. < 1404609137 26693 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of unseeing stuff, quintopia: QUINTHELLOPIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! < 1404609241 291388 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lightly prods quintopia *prod* *prod* *prod* < 1404609276 848311 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lightly nudges boily *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* < 1404609372 649205 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say no more! < 1404609716 110287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I did make example of AmigaMML: https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/projects/amigamml/wiki/Examples < 1404610318 418602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had idea of a kind of card game called "The Aberration Hater Card Game", which is played by two, three, or four players, and with four players it is teams and there is two modes "Bridge-mode" and "Washizu-mode". Some cards are only usable based on the role of each player (which rotates), and each player has a different role except in Bridge-mode. < 1404610415 214536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I don't know much else about it < 1404610468 335465 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION succumbs to boily's prods < 1404610535 552722 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404610589 712044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : also eyes. can't forget the eyes. <-- are you saying the land of lisp is multiocular? < 1404610651 106685 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I finished reading The City & The City the other day. it was good! < 1404610678 450555 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm all wrapped up in Worm now >_> < 1404610690 960343 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my sleep will surely suffer < 1404610698 419280 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if it doesn't always < 1404610708 99264 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I couldn't find myself telling a negative answer. the LoL is indeed multiocular. < 1404610726 150390 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what kind of worm? the one where you blow your opponents up? < 1404610746 32851 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's Worms < 1404610758 288120 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking about parahumans.wordpress.com < 1404610769 81901 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-211-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiting for the worms *guitar riff* < 1404610850 315371 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also have this graph algorithm problem that i don't know enough to approach :/ < 1404610854 267441 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404610892 658454 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the land of the blind multiocular lisp is king? < 1404610934 697977 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I took a peek at the table of contents. were you naïvely planning to sleep this year? < 1404610974 503167 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: more like something approaching godhood. < 1404610982 857478 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only a million words long1 < 1404610992 407547 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely i could finish it this month if i wanted < 1404611057 31323 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a million well typed monkeys will eventually create lisp < 1404611080 446100 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are monkeys statically typed? < 1404611124 798760 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm working on creating some monkeys! which is how this problem arose < 1404611148 931130 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1404611167 12603 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404611210 134639 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monkeys with lisps are not statically typed < 1404611216 115610 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :statistically < 1404611222 359081 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.. given infinite monkeys.... < 1404611365 899788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: what about thtatically? < 1404611415 709973 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would one summon infinite statistic monkeys? like with some kung fu pose and a “中心极限定理” war cry? < 1404611538 351907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: needs more video < 1404611556 304068 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thatithtically i taught i taw a puddy tat < 1404611577 474317 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you create virtual pairs out of quantum foam < 1404611763 891336 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404611990 2391 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404612066 884887 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum foam I somewhat understand, but what is a virtual pair? < 1404612095 966121 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-211-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that one of those particle-antiparticle pairs that show up randomly but wink out just as fast < 1404612104 875176 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-211-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except near a black hole which is how hawking radiation happens. or something? < 1404612267 675041 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps, but I'm going to sleep. if I have quantum nightmares tonight, I'll know who to blame. < 1404612284 742247 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION defiantly glares at newsham. very defiant. much glare. < 1404612290 802064 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-211-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by < 1404612299 887640 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: AQUEOUS CHICKEN < 1404612329 308057 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404612392 137538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking that I could have a Forth system which makes intermediate code which is executable inside of the compiler, and which is then compiled into a Z-machine code. Both individual instructions and sequence of instructions can combine into Z-machine instructions, for example DROP becomes FSTACK or ICALL 0 *0 and various other things. < 1404612441 47900 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are quantum nightmares? < 1404612577 646653 :nooodl_!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1404612659 689302 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You put a cat in a box, and it disappears < 1404612672 536688 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404612672 681121 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404612922 416223 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404612947 694031 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404613025 261960 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1404616618 326629 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1404616977 326944 :ineiros!~itniemin@hasturlovelace.cloud.tilaa.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404617610 706545 :ineiros!~itniemin@hasturlovelace.cloud.tilaa.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404617846 935108 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-14-184-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404618107 336089 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404618691 398375 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-14-184-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404618738 990742 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-14-184-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404619536 342877 :hubs!hubs@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe69:46d3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404619617 71566 :hubs!hubs@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe69:46d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404620270 799908 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-14-184-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404620405 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:augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404622757 948605 :Speed``!~Speed@evile.thrash.im JOIN :#esoteric < 1404622819 341514 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404622842 634291 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1404622863 323520 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404622965 29233 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404623146 231228 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404623396 688723 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404623396 871604 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404623672 739159 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404624045 400561 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1404624111 247614 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1404624206 888657 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404624689 588689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some computer game, where some objects have commands to use. One object is a toilet and its only command is "CAR WWW.CBC.CA," What? < 1404624741 365005 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-211-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the canadian broadcasting corporation is important. < 1404625083 208172 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally watched Watchmen < 1404625124 887113 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-211-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that answers that question < 1404625307 998302 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1404625334 756114 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Arborealis14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40090&oldid=40088 5* 03Dweymouth 5* (+146) 10/* Implementation Specifics */ EOF < 1404625413 892833 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404625462 920817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: perhaps someone is trying to secretly insult the head of CBC < 1404625575 304267 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404625746 547462 :bug-magnet!~Thunderbi@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au QUIT :Quit: bug-magnet < 1404625784 937179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other things too; in one place there is a stove, and its commands are "burn my finger" and "cook pizza" < 1404625895 575958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lock with four dots can be opened with a fork. < 1404626092 923533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In one room there is a diskette slot in the floor, and there is a man running back and forth. If you insert a disk, then he trips and falls and dies. There is also a pan in there, and its only command is to put a key in it. Doing so changes the color of the key. < 1404626400 293044 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404626609 942338 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404627719 127749 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, neat < 1404630992 241118 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404631334 813222 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404633089 84407 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cxskwpfrrfiibklw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1404633204 939136 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404633423 798673 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1404634157 426713 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1404634571 792945 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404634571 937339 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404635552 506202 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404635735 242811 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404636080 185229 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How old are hard drives as a standard component of PCs < 1404636435 962754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they weren't standard in the 80s so < 1404636508 604718 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first PC in 92 or so had none, I think, but it was a hand me down < 1404636589 716688 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my second one in 95 had one < 1404637972 496338 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the original PCs, the hard disk controller expansion card (called fixed disk controller back then; the card also contained the part of the ROM BIOS needed for hard disk) and the hard disk (called fixed disk) were both optional < 1404638488 241711 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404638860 862868 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404639818 174443 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1404640323 931211 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404640685 282404 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404642062 513072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404642180 708063 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404642539 194038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1404644277 693857 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1404646280 801886 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1404648990 507451 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404649210 314328 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404649294 457631 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1404649392 291714 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1404649936 965110 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404650293 848058 :heroux!~heroux@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404650301 808502 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404650746 60951 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1404651959 631512 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BANCStar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40091&oldid=40048 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+3757) 10/* Arithmetic instructions */ revise arithmetic section with new research < 1404651999 926027 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, more BANCStar! < 1404652096 370572 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1404652763 395871 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BANCStar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40092&oldid=40045 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+341) 10/* more archaeology */ woohoo < 1404652785 903979 :bug-magnet!~Thunderbi@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404652940 251153 :heroux!~heroux@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404653601 840956 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1404653652 801066 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BANCStar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40093&oldid=40091 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+125) 10/* Instructions */ mysterious 9401 variant < 1404653691 814533 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, but is there any hope for an interpreter? < 1404653986 371768 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:B jonas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40094&oldid=39206 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+425) 10/* BANCStar implementation */ new section < 1404654168 999041 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:GreyKnight14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40095 5* 03B jonas 5* (+231) 10Created page with "== BANCStar == Re rescuing BANCStar interpreter: that's just a rumour I've heared in the irc channel, and I haven't heared any followup since. I was hoping you knew something..." < 1404654533 430458 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a rumour? but we are a very informed and thrustworthy channel! < 1404654567 773711 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: maybe you should inform me and GreyKnight about what the channel knows too then < 1404654572 515699 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to ask a few times < 1404654664 34538 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the channel itself that knows. not the people in it. maybe fungot? < 1404654664 487724 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: fnord can't use scsh with slime48, or you were intending on doing load-balancing? < 1404654676 184178 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:B jonas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40096&oldid=40094 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+498) 10/* BANCStar implementation */ < 1404654845 620509 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, whatever happened with that plan of mining a BANCStar implementation from old floppies < 1404654846 50483 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i was thinking about one too ( its for entering the right mindset, good fucking luck getting anyone to help?) < 1404654864 449243 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: who had those floppies in first place? < 1404654865 106579 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i think i.am exists, but it's been published in peer-reviewed journals, so... okay. yeah that improves it for when throw is called, they don't neglect any possibility to try to take both branches < 1404655014 636075 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the conspiracy runs deeper. it goes beyond such technological novelties as floppy discs, and reaches further back, in the Time of Listings, when bad typesetting ruled the Magazines. < 1404655021 88080 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:GreyKnight14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40097&oldid=40095 5* 03B jonas 5* (+159) 10 < 1404655029 861765 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404655148 827301 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404656849 949369 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1404657129 991888 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404657140 301969 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404657234 402557 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404657563 299060 :bug-magnet!~Thunderbi@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au PART :#esoteric < 1404657716 769259 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404657716 769373 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404658359 593927 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ランランル〜〜〜 < 1404658509 261357 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lii14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40098&oldid=40069 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+227) 10/* CLii */ better example < 1404661616 945311 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1404663268 242003 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-211-47.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404663368 713060 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-36-250.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404664257 49603 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404665099 305427 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404666310 414971 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1404668149 255780 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404668411 187446 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404669738 440148 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404670410 313986 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404670674 777423 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404671132 249382 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404671749 943378 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1404671863 91415 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Restarting router < 1404671879 485566 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404672659 693919 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1404672808 89582 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1404672825 537936 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1404672925 321773 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1404672931 680746 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1404674162 69117 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1404674233 575051 :ais523_!93bcc339@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404675664 557120 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you program a AI generator for computer-RPG games? < 1404675698 632492 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-36-250.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that makes AIs? < 1404675718 366421 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if you find something, let me know < 1404675726 145821 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would build a neural network with feedback and train it to say "Welcome to our village" < 1404675737 157481 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe "Hello adventurer, do you want to buy a sword" < 1404675747 1615 :ais523_!93bcc339@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is this combat AI, or overworld AI/ < 1404675749 43546 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-36-250.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* times are tough < 1404675753 755654 :ais523_!93bcc339@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two are completely different in how you implement them < 1404675765 348531 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I saw a mudcrab this morning < 1404675801 998789 :ais523_!93bcc339@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have had thoughts about an RPG where the overworld NPCs have procedurally generated dialogue trees < 1404675807 801794 :ais523_!93bcc339@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that they /all/ have something useful to say < 1404675808 865526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Combat AI; I forgot about overworld AI although I don't think I need that and can just code overworld manually < 1404675827 131261 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am error" < 1404675848 808530 :ais523_!93bcc339@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well it depends on whether you care more about making them realistic, or about making the game generally fun < 1404675860 956937 :ais523_!93bcc339@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even just picking actions at random can be reasonably fun, except sometimes in boss fights < 1404675872 737100 :ais523_!93bcc339@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want realistic behaviour, you can treat it much the same way as a chess AI < 1404675885 30470 :ais523_!93bcc339@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alpha-beta search, etc. < 1404675924 830749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I intend to make it that they can do a good job, but also to consider what the NPCs goal are. For example of they are a thief their goal is simply to steal stuff from you, and then they might attempt to run away, or fight back, depending what is considered as better in the situation < 1404675954 37706 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As welll as such goal as defend someone, attack someone, revenge, etc < 1404675963 610509 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be nice to have an RPG that, for instance < 1404675972 524298 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you, the demon lord of the 9 realms < 1404675977 105789 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steal a penny from a hobo < 1404675984 35026 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That hobo doesn't fight you to the death < 1404676013 180554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: That is an example of what I meant, different NPC can have different goals, some don't care about such thing < 1404676013 961983 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, what if that was his last penny? < 1404676034 323298 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well he won't be able to take this penny as a ghost < 1404676041 270313 :ais523_!93bcc339@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: in that situation, the hobo should be running away /before/ you steal the penny < 1404676052 299241 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well not necessarily < 1404676063 187679 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like he could beg you maybe??? < 1404676073 70540 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh mighty lord do not steal my gross hobo coin :((( < 1404676073 865246 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh god the demon lord is looking at me!" then he wets himself < 1404676090 61787 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd play that game < 1404676091 985460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Yes, that is another thing that should be considered < 1404676095 435536 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone recommend a good read on those language processingnstuff for bots (was it markov chains?) < 1404676119 585611 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, knows about markov chains < 1404676120 81678 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: self-imposed silence? like that twilight zone episode? best episode ever.' in ( fnord) function provided" problem... < 1404676130 271481 :ais523_!93bcc339@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: IIRC fizzie works in that area, so e'd probably know < 1404676175 496364 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, you have to consider such thing as deception. One is to try go guess the player's action ahead of time in case of delayed actions, and what is best with what in what situation, what their weaknesses and defenses are, and to try to conceal your own... < 1404676187 663469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, there is the consideration of teamwork! < 1404676236 303519 :ais523_!93bcc339@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to analyze the maths behind simultaneous-action RPGs, sometime < 1404676249 796289 :ais523_!93bcc339@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alpha-beta is not the best approach due to the possibility of rock-paper-scissors scenarios < 1404676305 992041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is also kind of thing like I was mentioning. < 1404676355 968549 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote hour and a half < 1404676356 668452 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1126) kmc, I was trying to go to a sci-fi and fantasy society social, and I went to the wrong bar Wound up at my university's fetish society Didn't realise for an hour and a half < 1404676361 40916 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go back some time < 1404676364 307183 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were pretty nice people < 1404676577 734988 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404676597 736164 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404676727 255024 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404677499 877806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of read? I mean, a textbook kind of thing? < 1404677601 304131 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404677707 100871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, then our courses on the topic used Manning & Schütze -- http://nlp.stanford.edu/fsnlp/ -- though it's not exactly "recent trends", having been published in '99. < 1404677775 522941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Still online and working? Impressive. < 1404677775 850646 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what are you trying to deter people from using it in the south, didn't work < 1404677792 875638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Been over a week.) < 1404678019 449487 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop trying to deter people from using fungot in the south < 1404678019 631673 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: having to do administrative things. what color are my eyes? < 1404678027 209572 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question actually < 1404678260 892492 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404678294 440158 :ais523_!93bcc339@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines fungot filling out a form, and being a bot, actually stuck on a question about eye color < 1404678294 657559 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: grasping the logical concept may be difficult < 1404678456 963450 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( ) brown ( ) blue ( ) green ( ) grey ( ) I have a matte display ( ) other < 1404678457 123115 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:1: error: no implicit < 1404678457 267992 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : arguments allowed < 1404678457 268144 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : here, expected: ":", < 1404678457 268234 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : dependent type signature, < 1404678457 268323 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : end of input14↵… < 1404678499 273995 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Been over a week.) < 1404678503 994052 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :over a week since what... < 1404678523 525273 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... since fungot had to be restarted < 1404678523 694997 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: tell asymtonic foo () ( newline) ( loop)) < 1404678587 462406 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is the kind soul who has done that the last couple of times < 1404678679 503598 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just used >>= in Python, I can almost pretend that it's Haskell < 1404678739 567685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :does python let you define your own operators? < 1404678746 101437 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1404678752 455863 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bit-shift operator < 1404678773 312600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1404678881 697951 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-36-250.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404678996 357188 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-217.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404679223 742726 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/x/machine/monad.py < 1404679267 848762 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404679279 520226 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesnt abstract "return" :( < 1404679316 852189 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404679316 996523 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404679460 185495 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fasswtgwnmmsmtod JOIN :#esoteric < 1404679772 961672 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: "def __ge__(self, m): return self.bind(m)" sounds neater < 1404679977 856294 :ais523_!93bcc339@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm filled with a huge urge to make C++ streams syntax work in Haskell, where the >> is actually a monad bind < 1404679985 763545 :ais523_!93bcc339@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than a redefinition of (>>) < 1404679995 5827 :ais523_!93bcc339@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know enough Haskell (or enough C++, really) to pull it off < 1404680471 792579 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: feel free to rewrite it < 1404680492 456616 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: i'm writing a generic liftM!! < 1404680499 286960 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais: i saw some python code using >> as a stream output today < 1404680502 439866 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :exciting stuff imo < 1404680775 668474 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, shoulda been calling to bind < 1404680782 696498 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of using """bind""" < 1404680819 936599 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :need some hack to make "ret" polymorphic < 1404680944 977048 :ais523_!93bcc339@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.57 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1404681173 924167 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: polymorphic how? < 1404681181 145772 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: also http://bpaste.net/raw/441340/ < 1404681340 23053 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :notice all my calls to ret are fully qualified? < 1404681347 430642 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be implicit and polymorphic < 1404681524 262440 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404681587 809195 :nooodl_!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404681813 725994 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404681869 69189 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-20268.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1404681903 872864 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404682047 929306 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@athedsl-20268.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1404682199 27241 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-20268.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404682236 725684 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-20268.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1404682293 930983 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@athedsl-20268.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404682488 329047 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1404683006 699727 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-20268.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404683347 191013 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404683583 557073 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Client Quit < 1404685133 578745 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know what would probably be the best way to make the AI generator for the sophisticated things mentioned above, do you have any ideas of such at least? < 1404685450 735555 :nooodl_!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1404685455 348997 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: oops, hi < 1404685476 543344 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds hard because: what should print ret(3) do < 1404685671 969700 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1404686233 194430 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: with a hack its possible to make > ret(3) do the right thing < 1404686258 86206 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather < ret(3) < 1404686263 594389 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by defining __lt__ and ret appropriately < 1404687301 90555 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/raw/441535/ a cute hack < 1404687312 312780 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-217.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404687328 17981 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :lift() is quite the function now. < 1404687359 126491 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically ret() returns an object that gets coerced into the right monad by monadic functions < 1404687391 560579 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :for lift() this involves finding out which monad we're working in by looking at the types of all arguments passed to it < 1404687426 50639 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-108.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404687461 370802 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1404689092 332730 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1404689460 79006 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404690796 221756 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My phone turned me into a spammer < 1404690803 551300 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It spazzed and sent an email with the subject: < 1404690808 93825 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ppt 0ilpfile ppi0oppkp0op0p0pop00 p0l00p0 0 LPO 00p00 for loll loll poll plop p00k000p00000jp pop 0p00over 00p0pand then plop in psox psox < 1404691781 508403 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404691822 498325 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone made a font for Haskell with ligatures https://github.com/i-tu/Hasklig < 1404693303 906788 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404694020 707754 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1404694477 87735 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1404695252 916197 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-14-184-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404695691 914272 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404696316 606679 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BytePusher II14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40099&oldid=40081 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+485) 10Memory model, CPU, Endianness < 1404696558 100878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1404696889 452452 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1404697755 807587 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404697960 245997 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404698005 631016 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404698063 907800 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404698268 222293 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404699248 42151 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404699397 358368 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404699434 204247 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1404699610 145877 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404699674 326377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see my most recent texts of Dungeons&Dragons game? Maybe the text can also be fixed for making a story written a bit better than that? < 1404699877 724074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if you can answer these questions so far? gopher://zzo38computer.org/1quiz.run*quiz01. < 1404700094 332654 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1404700812 529772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: so you are saying the psox on your phone has turned sentient? < 1404700920 9390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your pee socks turn sentient you probably left them long enough that they developed their own ecosystem < 1404700995 644011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think pee socks are a concept, elliott < 1404701008 717359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they weren't until Sgeo came along! < 1404701015 601243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do *you* pee? < 1404701031 277182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a nice porcelain device hth < 1404701128 561108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's what you call it. < 1404701140 544935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's technically probably correct < 1404701151 495471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as google tells me < 1404701196 272703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gizmodo.com/5930537/why-toilets-are-still-made-of-porcelain < 1404701234 244406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately my line is a dumber joke than you may have been assuming < 1404701286 693524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1404701353 297329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, advice: don't go to the farmacy when you've slept so little you don't recognize that you're picking the wrong brand hth < 1404701369 339792 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t think I need to spend much time on infinity. Infinitus est numerus stultorum. It suffices to point out that you cannot show me infinity of anything whatsoever. Since everything is finite, including every number, putting them all together will still not get you to infinity. According to math (and also its feisty sidekick, the English language), the number before infinity would be known as the “penultimate” in the series of ... < 1404701375 347606 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... all numbers. So in my opinion, the last number in the number line is the penultimate. < 1404701378 351492 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also a convenient common sense method for refuting infinity. If there were infinite numbers, then the Universe couldn’t fit them all in. But clearly the Universe does fit them all in, by the transitive property. It fits our brains, and our brains fit all the numbers. Please see William Lane Craig on this point, for further discussion < 1404701382 477078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ph < 1404701478 459084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: cranking up the spam? < 1404701484 582202 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1404701659 888272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: brand of what? < 1404701740 550368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: eye drops. instead of the nice simple one i've bought before "_no_ known side effects" i came back with some that require me to press on my eye for 1-2 minutes afterward in order that it doesn't get into my nose canals < 1404701763 777679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ones < 1404701768 973769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: _no_ known side effects sounds like it might be homeopathic or something :) < 1404701810 618357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to my knowledge. the brand's called artelac < 1404701817 621591 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actual homeopathic or fake homeopathic with active ingredients? < 1404701868 171278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't claim to be homeopathic. < 1404701889 330666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's secretly homeopathic. (it's not; I googled it.) < 1404701970 900827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately i still have a bottle of the old left. < 1404701973 660475 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-108.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404702071 522015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why do you need to buy a new one? < 1404702075 882696 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-195-11.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404702107 147751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a small bottle, so it will be used up before the next time my sleeping rhythm returns to normal enough to visit a pharmacy. < 1404702112 505238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*schedule < 1404702419 995411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or well, the local pharmacy. in theory, there's one near the city center with especially long opening hours.) < 1404703075 211597 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1404703782 262242 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404703998 494796 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404704711 829460 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1404706783 217565 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-195-11.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404706788 595682 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-195-11.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bicyclidine < 1404708458 106460 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404709933 334187 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/node/comments/29sw2n/farewell_nodejs_tj_holowaychuk/ < 1404709944 26044 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There exist conspiracy theories about certain programmers < 1404709947 810947 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facedesks < 1404709956 964700 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@67-5-195-11.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tool ass < 1404709957 287480 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He isn't a real person, outside of the person who actually is the owner of the name tj holowaychuk. Look at the people who take over these repos in the coming days and weeks to find out who actually wrote them." < 1404710000 733257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, too, can create a troll reddit account to post some nonsense in one specific thread < 1404710003 683521 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@67-5-195-11.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my grandpa said he knew why the lucky stiff once, back in his army days. said he had a grin you couldn't forget, a crazy grin < 1404710011 951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you help me troll as many people as possible by linking and quoting it in irrelevant channels? < 1404710043 384907 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@67-5-195-11.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny thing was, he said why was writing a book, even then, in korea, and it was about ruby............... < 1404710309 57236 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@67-5-195-11.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1404711922 359257 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What conspiracy theories about what programmers? < 1404711974 180073 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-195-11.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in circles < 1404712028 79488 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404712696 996085 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404713039 112737 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404713419 831213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404713914 343027 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^0 < 1404714113 274071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is very exciting, I am at a 3D printer. < 1404714801 965814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had completed a layer! < 1404714811 453678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There will be few hundred of those. < 1404715463 484403 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-175-98-12.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404715533 636191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does knowing finnish give you the ability to construct these wonderful sentences? < 1404715630 282552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What do you think? < 1404715630 809129 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: knowing why tail-recursion is important requires knowing about how memory works. binaries must be for -something-. i < 1404715639 325654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Affirmative. < 1404715724 462454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, the bottom has been done. It has started the infill. < 1404715739 323659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1404715739 468603 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1404715752 508943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's been a bit too lucid for irc, recently < 1404715752 804844 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there are too many concepts involved in foof-loop? or have i just said? :) < 1404716268 63254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scary bot. < 1404716284 298299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And flaky wifi at the library.) < 1404716408 55900 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1404716624 934985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, top of the bottom. < 1404716629 615761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So exciting.) < 1404717366 974868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not the top. it's not even the bottom of the top. but it may be the top of the bottom. < 1404717900 879759 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40100&oldid=40055 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+635) 10Resolution improvement on Counter test (best of 10) < 1404718225 911848 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404718310 447278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, my printout is going awry. :/ < 1404719071 321456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it taking over the library < 1404719152 718540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever you do, don't flee and abandon it. see what that did for frankenstein. < 1404719237 835296 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1404719326 90873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is warping and probably going to fail catastrophically later on. < 1404719394 126011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1404719502 897471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, I guess these don < 1404719510 69588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :'t usually work out right on the first try. < 1404720434 803629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We tried applying some duck tape. < 1404720560 801341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404721416 198187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you know you're still all time no. 6 on stackoverflow's haskell tag < 1404721437 64705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm surprised I haven't been more thoroughly overtaken by now < 1404721509 18401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could beat dons if I wanted < 1404721545 489412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see you've made the list for this month < 1404721575 600759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1404721584 405180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i was checking < 1404721590 718452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how it begins :) < 1404721593 340638 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404721914 215731 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404721914 360237 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404723650 376398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am at 9.6 millimetres (of 38), and it has not totally failed yet. < 1404723664 265917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a bit of a Dali-esque look to one side of it, though. < 1404723942 663962 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to guard an IO Bool? < 1404723975 720270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1404724110 87997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: guard =<< ... < 1404724137 232540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may be tired < 1404724177 375608 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nicer way may be to make the helper function to return a bool, but i have no idea if that's actually possible < 1404724196 309511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not, if it actually uses IO. < 1404724222 748254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you perhaps mean something else by guard. < 1404724225 897430 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an IORef [a] and want to check if the underlying list is empty < 1404724269 84997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :l <- readIORef ...; if null l then ... else ... < 1404724325 15091 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i thought it'd be nice if i could do something foo :: IORef [a] -> Bool stuff < 1404724332 210683 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess i can't < 1404724337 845256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or with the new LambdaCase extension, readIORef ... >>= \ case [] -> ... < 1404724371 637712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: learning that you cannot get out of IO is like the first thing you learn about IO, hth < 1404724394 180480 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i am at that step right now < 1404724433 284842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: (foo ref) would be True or False depending on the contents of (the same) ref < 1404724436 756258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore that would violate RT < 1404724466 359707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ;_; was because you gave me a flashback to the 10,000 questions of exactly that form I've dealt with on SO thanks to oerjan reminding me :p < 1404724475 585430 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i at least do "nothing" in the else branch? < 1404724512 886436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: you can use when (null l) $ ... < 1404724518 399184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t when < 1404724519 311048 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => Bool -> m () -> m () < 1404724526 312514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :else return () -- when is equivalent < 1404724535 768087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src when < 1404724535 912669 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when p s = if p then s else return () < 1404724561 59570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, it's too hot to go outside today ;_; < 1404724578 208058 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1404724633 661652 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in scope: when < 1404724635 490059 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1404724639 970615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad < 1404724648 957926 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1404724921 561025 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40101&oldid=40000 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+418) 10/* Esoteric language for ROM interpreter? */ < 1404725756 952164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: But my neck cannot take any more PC... < 1404725849 268472 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404726109 878296 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404727133 606997 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t when < 1404727133 787876 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.Applicative.when : 12Applicative 13f => 12Bool -> 09Lazy (13f 12()) -> 13f 12() < 1404727133 932395 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Effects.when : 12Applicative 13m => 12Bool -> 09Lazy (12Eff 13m 12() 13xs (\13result => 13xs)) -> 12Eff 13m 12() 13xs (\13result6 => 13xs) < 1404727373 715077 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404727504 106987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140707-pr.jpg the future of manufacturing < 1404728308 984140 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404729769 224455 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1404729819 75912 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Blub14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40102&oldid=32422 5* 03Benni++ 5* (-9) 10Fixed the link after 3 years, was bored. < 1404730036 472611 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07DNA-Sharp14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40103&oldid=35666 5* 03Benni++ 5* (+79) 10Added a link to the reuploaded editor. < 1404730889 228850 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fasswtgwnmmsmtod QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1404731300 663864 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1404731437 867169 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: LUPUS CHICKEN < 1404733694 490998 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1404734466 734124 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404734719 675550 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1404735977 532427 :Slixck!Slixck@41.86.151.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404736032 647272 :Slixck!Slixck@41.86.151.186 NICK :naitland < 1404736032 791769 :naitland!Slixck@41.86.151.186 QUIT :Client Quit < 1404736124 310976 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404736131 858551 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zqsnhetpramfcise QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404736197 930429 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404736200 342662 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404736224 857600 :ski_!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1404736231 331292 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1404736259 120976 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404736259 523741 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404736259 823128 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404736260 725282 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404736262 4537 :douglass!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404736262 4675 :Taneb-!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1404736269 947508 :ggherdov!sid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov QUIT :Changing host < 1404736335 402758 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1404736346 261231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Printing job ETA 0h:-2m:-23s" even time itself has failed < 1404736713 569703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Printing job ETA 0h:-6m:-2s" I'm sure it's done soon < 1404736941 770134 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zaqxotgjzktcfhaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1404737040 733186 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404737134 100858 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404737151 806429 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404737397 365139 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404737638 801018 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404738204 103072 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1404738214 960572 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1404739115 341951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now a proud owner of a (quite warped-curvy but perhaps functional) N900-to-tripod thingamagick. And it only took 7 hours. < 1404739848 278668 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404740664 319071 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404740786 580153 :axtens!~axtens@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404741152 549568 :axtens!~axtens@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1404741265 481150 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404741449 731171 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404741499 349744 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1404742722 222495 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1404743804 316699 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1404746051 913896 :^0!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1404748615 348494 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404748633 451477 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 NICK :Haruspex < 1404748642 239162 :Haruspex!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 NICK :Bicyclidine < 1404749437 144058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1404750003 396592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One feature of the .NSF music format is that it is sometimes possible to convert files into such a format simply by concatenating the source file on top of a NSF stub. < 1404750131 139834 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404750452 884406 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys < 1404750462 21345 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we figure out a way to ban mIRC colours on freenode? < 1404750469 587560 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm okay with real color protocols < 1404750577 827565 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1404750586 927421 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably you'd want to patch whatever ircd freenode uses, and hope that everyone's client knows what you're doing (good luck) < 1404750600 121313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a bot send a notice to everyone who uses them hth < 1404750619 947322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stress on _notice_ < 1404750666 925812 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: don't tell the clients < 1404750676 293699 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just tell people "mIRC colours are shit. we discontinued them." < 1404750688 3152 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will have no negative consequences < 1404750724 958321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think you should tamper with the data in the protocol. But, you can tell people to don't use them, and complain when it is used < 1404750735 716968 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CFI1we should use a colour protocol that doesn't suck ass < 1404750736 746983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What real color protocols do you want? ANSI? < 1404750795 683183 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CTCP draft spec has one that doesn't suck ass < 1404750803 116991 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although apparently on my client it produces blinking text < 1404750811 980342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ReverseNormal < 1404750825 940137 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that line above started with ^FCFI1, which under the draft CTCP spec would give blue text) < 1404750855 836967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just see the "^FCFI1" directly on my computer, and the text is already blue anyways due to syntax highlighting. < 1404750898 718791 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1404750904 79318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does my line display like anything? < 1404750908 875301 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's reversed < 1404750913 554053 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, syntax highlighting? < 1404750944 297256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is reversed then I suppose you already have ANSI support. < 1404750983 152075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax highlighting is: sender in cyan, command in bright white, parameters in normal white, long parameters in bright blue (except for the preceding colon) < 1404751555 817481 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404751676 831223 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you read IRC raw? < 1404751700 233644 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to zzo < 1404751807 238958 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: freenode already has a channel mode for that < 1404751824 775355 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I too don't see much of a point in that < 1404751893 910982 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, freenode's services do use mirc bold in some messages < 1404751908 578231 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it needs to be turned off globally to make it die < 1404751914 279355 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no < 1404751918 787358 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree < 1404751941 755678 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it already bad enough to have three bytes the server doesn't allow in your messages? do you want eight more bytes? < 1404751954 48759 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many bytes < 1404751954 193180 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I for one would want to be able to send any byte and let the client decide how to interpret them < 1404751957 37973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It isn't quite raw; it is in colors. < 1404751973 341737 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't like the colors, ask your irc client to not display them or something < 1404751981 306332 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I agree with you < 1404751989 918686 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let the client decide how to interpret them. < 1404752019 23550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With three exceptions though, being NUL, CR, LF, which should be made more restrictive. < 1404752146 684984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My own IRC client uses its own colors, although it does have an option to use additional colors/styles for client commands, bold, underline, and reverse video.) < 1404752277 444228 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc three control characters are reserved by ctcp (though actually only one gets any use), and how many are there for colors and similar formatting stuff? < 1404752530 67244 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. I think it would probably be reasonable to use a subset of the ANSI codes for formatting, although this is not commonly done on IRC (it is common in other systems though). < 1404752672 675659 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-195-11.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404752778 214970 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-224.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404752942 119038 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Syntax highlighting is: sender in cyan, command in bright white, parameters in normal white, long parameters in bright blue (except for the preceding colon) wait, you read IRC raw? It isn't quite raw; it is in colors. < 1404752944 30698 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1213) Syntax highlighting is: sender in cyan, command in bright white, parameters in normal white, long parameters in bright blue (except for the preceding colon) wait, you read IRC raw? It isn't quite raw; it is in colors. < 1404752987 597964 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ligature Machine14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40104 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+797) 10Created page with "Ligature Machine is a system consisting of: * A set of symbols. * A special begin symbol and end symbol. * A rule table, mapping an ordered pair of symbols to the new symbol (..." < 1404753024 573804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also PING commands are hidden if the AUTOPONG option is set. < 1404753064 223276 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-224.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404753134 365693 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you know the computing power of LM? I feel like it probably can recognize the regular languages < 1404753154 140544 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-228-191.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404753174 323436 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No, unfortunately I don't quite know. < 1404753187 50814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know everything about computational classes. < 1404753204 229011 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't |:=| a guaranteed infinite loop? < 1404753233 427171 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also where is the ligature inserted on :=|? < 1404753238 705988 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :before or after the second symbol? < 1404753247 682311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: In :=| the ligature replaces the first symbol. < 1404753267 141891 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1404753282 688160 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In |:=| the ligature is inserted in between. Therefore the rule corresponding to the old first symbol plus the ligature symbol might cause it not to loop. < 1404753283 986903 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, I feel like you could probably simulate it with an NFA-e without too much difficulty < 1404753287 847566 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh ok < 1404753289 533217 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1404753291 565869 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not then < 1404753349 39851 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't go back... so it's incapable of recognizing the balanced parens language, which means it's weaker than CF < 1404753355 902315 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably still regular then < 1404753356 401803 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404753362 726892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is correct that you cannot go backward. < 1404753515 341239 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikh4ocin < 1404753532 863195 :shikh4ocin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1404753642 214104 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can recognize balanced parens if the number of symbols is allowed to be infinite, although it isn't supposed to be infinite. < 1404753652 510020 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ligature Machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40105&oldid=40104 5* 03135.23.126.116 5* (+147) 10 < 1404753748 470292 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ligature Machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40106&oldid=40105 5* 03Zzo38 5* (-7) 10 < 1404753859 413640 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-175-98-12.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404753869 142606 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-228-191.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1404753961 183907 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-178.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404754238 450425 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ligature Machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40107&oldid=40106 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+238) 10Mention example of modes < 1404754470 526065 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40108&oldid=40008 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+23) 10+[[Ligature Machine]] < 1404754497 530245 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Zzo3814]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40109&oldid=39104 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+23) 10+[[Ligature Machine]] < 1404754613 293044 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 NICK :quintopia < 1404754628 308514 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1404754628 453238 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1404754645 422029 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404754665 893050 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :herro < 1404755186 653746 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404755398 309624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404755463 390999 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404756061 859747 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo mhi^ what's up bro < 1404756582 797999 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if david.werecat is ever coming back here < 1404756597 229685 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :he never wrote a david_werecat_simurgh for the hill :( < 1404757090 151682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Maybe a weredog got him < 1404760888 30782 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1404760968 353227 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404763030 533980 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1404763045 930604 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404763130 757047 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404764126 753520 :Taneb-!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org NICK :Taneb < 1404764572 464249 :barrucadu!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu NICK :DrBees < 1404764581 959891 :DrBees!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu NICK :barrucadu < 1404764638 415782 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdebath/deadbeef14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40110&oldid=39881 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+181) 10Add [>] accelerator < 1404766954 71175 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404768254 225949 :^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404768390 218175 :^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404768421 401267 :^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404768455 112027 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404768555 324004 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404769750 346467 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404769770 380045 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404769957 343183 :nooodl_!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404769969 944396 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404769971 972478 :nooodl_!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1404770878 997032 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404771005 518303 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-175-98-12.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404771050 913809 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-175-98-12.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404771092 103927 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :HoverZuu < 1404772085 396963 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404772108 757631 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what D is like these days < 1404772328 358230 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has D ever took off? are there any major projects using it? < 1404772368 30381 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1404772535 119912 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-243-178.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1404772564 886479 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vibed.org/ exists < 1404772568 856643 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea if it's any good < 1404772636 943393 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-114.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404772673 790959 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"De(serialization) of arbitrary D types is also supported." < 1404772681 208035 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would put those parens around (De) < 1404773347 694434 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Дserialization. < 1404773663 629823 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1404774146 969706 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: IMMACULATE CHICKEN < 1404774149 424055 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404774201 122321 :^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1404774217 245367 :^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404774504 519938 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404774620 103834 :^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404774647 640115 :^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404774812 486921 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404775087 423522 :^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404775598 429386 :nooodl_!~nooodl@47.122-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404775612 732302 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404775765 299343 :nooodl!~nooodl@244.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404775793 166153 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1404776613 915695 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-114.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404776957 420794 :stickittothemain!4670836c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.131.108 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404776974 621368 :stickittothemain!4670836c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.131.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay guys < 1404776980 701031 :stickittothemain!4670836c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.131.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to start a project < 1404777008 881079 :stickittothemain!4670836c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.131.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ecic; Esolang Compiler/Interpreter Collection < 1404777054 925298 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-76-229.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404777061 24096 :stickittothemain!4670836c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.131.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bunch of implementations of different esolangs within one program < 1404777094 637962 :stickittothemain!4670836c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.131.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, if we're going to do this, we'll have to decide on a single language < 1404777100 101587 :stickittothemain!4670836c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.131.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote python < 1404777237 303378 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404777241 385479 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really see the point < 1404777266 851443 :stickittothemain!4670836c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.131.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun? < 1404777348 435399 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that could be fun, yeah < 1404777422 151747 :stickittothemain!4670836c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.131.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, when you're bored, you could just reimplement ><> to be more efficient < 1404777520 946951 :stickittothemain!4670836c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.131.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, should it be a git or mercurial repo? < 1404777627 349203 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404777861 940553 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404778046 726534 :stickittothemain!4670836c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.131.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or both? < 1404778391 808419 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404778597 375831 :stickittothemain!4670836c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.131.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll start a github repo < 1404778608 168108 :stickittothemain!4670836c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.131.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll use python < 1404778632 834263 :stickittothemain!4670836c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.131.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just called ecic-eso < 1404778897 577182 :stickittothemain!4670836c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.131.108 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1404779027 92241 :stickittothemain!4670836c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.131.108 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404779050 519790 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather use whatever language I'm into at any given microsecond. If that means using Opa to make a BF interpreter, so be it < 1404779150 206697 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-76-229.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shine on, you crazy diamond. < 1404779300 537192 :stickittothemain!4670836c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.131.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know git that well, how do you add contributers? < 1404779516 780163 :stickittothemain!4670836c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.131.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of an off topic thing for this channel < 1404779520 291028 :stickittothemain!4670836c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.131.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1404779613 851430 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-76-229.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404779746 387613 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-128.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404779787 276137 :clog!~nef@66.114.33.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404780569 901005 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404780581 524745 :nooodl_!~nooodl@47.122-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1404780918 273899 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-128.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404781037 809856 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-91-125.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404783174 226802 :julio!~vit@190.74.207.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404783194 981755 :julio!~vit@190.74.207.63 PART :#esoteric < 1404783215 186071 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4540:5b:f56e:70c4:3dc8:4e09 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404784642 296677 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4540:5b:f56e:70c4:3dc8:4e09 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404784668 178448 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4540:5b:f56e:70c4:3dc8:4e09 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404784776 711730 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4540:5b:f56e:70c4:3dc8:4e09 QUIT :Client Quit < 1404786239 193183 :nooodl_!~nooodl@47.122-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404786284 140997 :nooodl!~nooodl@47.122-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404786288 192698 :nooodl_!~nooodl@47.122-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1404786415 262812 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1404787261 421312 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Our core interface is _not_ applicative or monadic, but more fundamental. It is monoidal, just like HTML itself!" Clearly, they need to write a monad wrapper for it for that nice do notation < 1404787566 859975 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-113-83-45.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404787751 103534 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-175-98-12.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404790392 629453 :stickittothemain!4670836c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.131.108 QUIT : < 1404791336 495620 :Speed``!~Speed@evile.thrash.im QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404791735 873357 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.198.49 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1404791763 622218 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.198.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404791791 898940 :Speed`!~Speed@evile.thrash.im JOIN :#esoteric < 1404791854 17334 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-113-83-45.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404791949 281595 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-83-45.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404791998 273330 :clog!~nef@66.114.33.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404792331 133285 :nooodl!~nooodl@47.122-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1404793908 846758 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404794016 315861 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404794043 887907 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404794839 849838 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In a paper regarding Idris): < 1404794844 485019 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This project made no use of human subjects or external data. As such, there were no ethicalconsiderations for this project and accelerated ethical approval was sought." < 1404795150 776119 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-91-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CS papers need ethical approval? < 1404795647 949527 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Not unless they use human subjects. < 1404795670 271034 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was just a "fuck you" at Facebook, for using human subjects without consent and somehow getting it past an ethics board. < 1404795695 384313 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-91-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. understandable. i thought that was socio psych something, though. < 1404795849 185675 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. I don't think a paper written April 4th would have such a "fuck you" < 1404795865 273438 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.simonjf.com/writing/bsc-dissertation.pdf < 1404795967 111673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1404796166 459286 :clog!~nef@66.114.33.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404796278 126483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The clogged channel | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1404797116 268915 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4540:5b:a48b:2186:96e8:6ddc JOIN :#esoteric < 1404797738 440229 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4540:5b:a48b:2186:96e8:6ddc QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1404798804 307232 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404799482 309989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1404800064 654658 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1404800546 715781 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-83-45.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404803454 738698 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404803985 120074 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1404805087 228813 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404805410 218192 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1404805678 176129 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404806037 594900 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net NICK :Melvar < 1404808318 897739 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404808633 486464 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404808633 631712 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404808695 409327 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Client Quit < 1404808709 88232 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404808902 262950 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404808902 409878 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404809904 428268 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1404810861 574708 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote bad pr < 1404810862 62890 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :193) Getting bad programmers to like something is a failure. < 1404810867 612866 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote bad pr to < 1404810868 98729 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1404810873 37038 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote experimenting < 1404810874 895747 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :434) Well, I'm now experimenting with clients It doesn't sound like good PR to say that out loud. < 1404810885 994107 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I'm using IRSSI again < 1404810913 769303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just can't stop, can you. < 1404810991 21578 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm reading bad PHP, too < 1404812368 404868 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, new version of Dwarf Fortress aaaaaaah < 1404812385 424674 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooooot < 1404812415 348649 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah < 1404814219 916529 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly dfhack won't be updated forever < 1404814221 145719 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404814357 225956 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: will your Anthracite mod be updated? < 1404814393 661829 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure it already is, he won't have changed the stone system < 1404814530 966363 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may have to send it to me again in a couple of weeks < 1404814601 466188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i even have a copy any more < 1404814615 378093 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make your own very easily though! < 1404814767 554210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should do a succession fort again < 1404815064 76042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesss < 1404815080 547039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile i'm in #dfhack and < 1404815081 625706 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think walls are completely unusable in new version fort mode < 1404815086 23936 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : Apparently when you deconstruct one everything in your fort teleports near the deconstructed spot < 1404815093 445955 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should learn to fix Sgeo's sleep patterns so that when coworkers randomly call in the dead of night he's actually woken up < 1404815096 297336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the potential for abuse is real < 1404816592 894210 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1404816935 185722 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404817018 278079 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404817059 749254 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1404817075 131266 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404817090 66704 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1404817339 123311 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404817830 436421 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SCRAMBLED CHICKEN < 1404818048 208288 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :let nats : Stream Nat; nats = iterate S Z < 1404818048 391653 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :defined < 1404818065 628565 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( take 10 nats < 1404818065 773225 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04[04004, 04104, 04204, 04304, 04404, 04504, 04604, 04704, 04804, 04904] : 12Vect 0410 12Nat < 1404818133 25410 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404818323 687895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 do we actually want that infobox? < 1404818323 871775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1404819690 615280 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which infobox? < 1404819721 233090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one germanyboy made on the wiki < 1404820054 421759 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` units '2 pounds * c^2' 'megatons tnt' < 1404820055 76084 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ * 19.487022 \ / 0.051316205 < 1404820310 370099 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404820511 182094 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404820513 369271 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds out that in units, “lightyear” is not the same as “light year”, because “lightyear” is “c * julianyear” but “year” defaults to “tropicalyear”. < 1404821054 711768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason df2014 has thrown my keyboard bindings into a blender < 1404821194 299197 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :worldgen is way more dynamic and way, waaaay slower < 1404821213 299101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it only runs for two weeks or something, right? < 1404821222 913814 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's between forts < 1404821234 200534 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the initial worldgen is still 256 years by default < 1404821260 548857 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume it's a coarser simulation than the fort-to-fort one though < 1404821921 901683 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also crashed at the end of worldgen < 1404822022 198671 :nooodl!~nooodl@47.122-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404822197 935599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDGI. Images from the phone become more blurry if I shorten the exposure time. < 1404822237 44184 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1404822288 73533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units '1 light year' 'lightyears' < 1404822298 589490 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ * 0.99997864 \ / 1.0000214 < 1404822302 475158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy. < 1404822326 368241 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1404822522 71189 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` units lightyear; units year < 1404822522 794209 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ Definition: c julianyear = 9.4607305e+15 m \ Definition: tropicalyear = 365.242198781 day = 31556926 s < 1404823372 139535 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404823877 266228 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units 'light ray' < 1404823877 918514 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ Definition: 2.9979246e+13 kg / m^3 s^2 < 1404823996 858915 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I specified “beard” in my .units, that’s why it’s not there. Derp. < 1404823999 212603 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units 'bu bbl e' < 1404823999 903504 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ Definition: 8.976297e-22 A m^6 s < 1404824035 294694 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`units smoot < 1404824035 902358 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ Definition: 5 ft + 7 in = 1.7018 m < 1404824137 240197 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, the story behind that is funny. < 1404824215 396039 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially given his current job. < 1404824237 545558 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/current/last/ < 1404824479 502504 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` units 'light nanosecond' 'feet' < 1404824480 103694 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ * 0.98357106 \ / 1.0167034 < 1404824570 731120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`units sheppey < 1404824571 341407 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown unit 'sheppey' < 1404824573 264859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1404824637 774086 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unusual_units_of_measurement < 1404824748 94667 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`units shed < 1404824748 604098 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ Definition: 1e-24 barn = 1e-52 m^2 < 1404825147 956153 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`units billion < 1404825148 527658 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ Definition: shortbillion = 1e9 = 1e+09 < 1404825154 668663 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`units longbillion < 1404825155 392864 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ Definition: million^2 = 1e+12 < 1404825278 625042 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`units gram < 1404825279 103056 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ Definition: millikg = 1e-3 kg = 0.001 kg < 1404825368 69300 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ lol @ millikg. But correct, since the kilogram is the base unit as defined in the SI. < 1404825406 255096 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1404825448 32866 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it’s also the only one still defined by a prototype. < 1404825480 454075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, though they keep trying to get rid of that. < 1404825482 588476 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which turns out to be a problem, since the prototype and its copies have been drifting relative to one another, as we can now measure. < 1404825684 673285 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` units 'pi seconds' nanocentury < 1404825685 150204 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ * 0.9955319 \ / 1.0044882 < 1404825737 820029 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1404828184 598124 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404828219 350906 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoy. < 1404828500 191120 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404828617 202060 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I decided to come up with an esolang that's pretty much an assembly language with a static, strong, and extremely flexible type system. < 1404828663 892837 :Speed`!~Speed@evile.thrash.im QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404828685 531994 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This turns out to be really complicated. < 1404828688 568547 :HoverZuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :Zuu < 1404828834 957993 :Speed`!~Speed@evile.thrash.im JOIN :#esoteric < 1404828997 2060 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: do you mean an assembly language where the output maps directly to some existing machine code, but the assembly language itself restricted by a type system so that it can find some errors and make programming easier? < 1404829036 755452 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: because that language almost exists, it's C < 1404829071 855974 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that C can copy structures by value < 1404829091 581399 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vaguely like C, except that it would be lower level, and the type system would be much more flexiblestrong. < 1404829126 925594 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, consider a "dup" instruction, which duplicates the top word on the stack. < 1404829182 788757 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This instruction would have the type "piece of code starting with a stack containing some initial stuff, then a word of type 'a', then some blank space, and ending with the original stuff, then two words of type 'a', then one word less blank space". < 1404829267 747516 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like "forall (i :: Mem) (a :: Word) (n :: Nat), i ** a ** (n + 1) Blank -> i ** a ** a ** n Blank" < 1404829297 262602 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like the sort of thing you’d do as an embedded DSL in Idris. < 1404829347 921788 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: yup. < 1404831134 837197 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll start by making the "little" version of the language. It'll make some simplifying assumptions, like that the stack has infinite room to grow. < 1404831192 744759 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that a word can store an entire arbitrary-precision natural number. < 1404831615 84105 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404833794 291371 :ajf!~Colloquy@host86-172-51-137.range86-172.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404833802 18289 :ajf!~Colloquy@host86-172-51-137.range86-172.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1404833818 843012 :ajf!~Colloquy@host86-172-51-137.range86-172.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Bash and some other languages, “fi” (“if” backwards) ends an if statement < 1404833826 23551 :ajf!~Colloquy@host86-172-51-137.range86-172.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think it doesn’t have enough context < 1404833831 993659 :ajf!~Colloquy@host86-172-51-137.range86-172.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how about this? < 1404833836 393518 :ajf!~Colloquy@host86-172-51-137.range86-172.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (x == 3) < 1404833840 394919 :ajf!~Colloquy@host86-172-51-137.range86-172.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi x) == )3 < 1404833847 268727 :ajf!~Colloquy@host86-172-51-137.range86-172.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, for example < 1404833853 469719 :ajf!~Colloquy@host86-172-51-137.range86-172.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (foobar == qux) < 1404833864 647140 :ajf!~Colloquy@host86-172-51-137.range86-172.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi raboof( == )xuq < 1404833884 650148 :ajf!~Colloquy@host86-172-51-137.range86-172.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ve got to use this in my next esoteric language ^^ < 1404833936 550553 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1404834563 88502 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-91-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntactic rules unclear. better to use the negation. if (x == 3) fi (x != 3) < 1404834771 776457 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tukpnwvacnfzlktm JOIN :#esoteric < 1404834799 515615 :ajf!~Colloquy@host86-172-51-137.range86-172.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Ah, yes < 1404834813 16377 :ajf!~Colloquy@host86-172-51-137.range86-172.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it would intelligently understand english < 1404834814 957026 :ajf!~Colloquy@host86-172-51-137.range86-172.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example < 1404834826 300443 :ajf!~Colloquy@host86-172-51-137.range86-172.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (thing.delete(3)) < 1404834833 947132 :ajf!~Colloquy@host86-172-51-137.range86-172.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi (thing.create(3)) < 1404834837 977263 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1404834879 168666 :ajf!~Colloquy@host86-172-51-137.range86-172.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe just prepend un < 1404834887 124333 :ajf!~Colloquy@host86-172-51-137.range86-172.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (thing.delete(foo)) < 1404834892 787031 :ajf!~Colloquy@host86-172-51-137.range86-172.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi (unthing.undelete(unfoo)) < 1404834901 210513 :ajf!~Colloquy@host86-172-51-137.range86-172.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similarly: < 1404834906 611226 :ajf!~Colloquy@host86-172-51-137.range86-172.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (unthing.undelete(unfoo)) < 1404834916 609599 :ajf!~Colloquy@host86-172-51-137.range86-172.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi (ununthing.unundelete(ununfoo)) < 1404835342 126089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1404835632 226004 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404835651 901568 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404835904 951378 :d00p_!~d00p@h77-53-114-163.dynamic.se.alltele.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404835998 481258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404836097 457212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, patch-tag just admitted that it isn't up any more < 1404836104 328241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it did so via email with all its users in the To: field < 1404836115 645431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many people will complain about that < 1404836156 156383 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404836161 115763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, someone complained via reply-all :-) < 1404836188 788200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if Raymond Chen's blog has taught me anything, it's that we're only 2 or 3 messages away from going exponential < 1404836262 475517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, I discovered something in my research recently, and am wondering whether it's new (I hope it isn't, because it's confusing to think about and I'm hoping someone will have done the hard part already) < 1404836300 74966 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: classic < 1404836308 529880 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: any out of office replies? < 1404836310 801699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you have a type like "a -> b -> a", that's shorthand for "forall a, b.a -> b -> a" < 1404836317 194643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: not reply-all'ed < 1404836321 343006 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity ;) < 1404836336 230537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've come across a type of the form "forall a.exists b.a -> b -> a" < 1404836341 810958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and want to know if anyone's ever seen anything like that before < 1404836347 772584 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(imagine two reply-all out of office replies playing ping pong) < 1404836355 392193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it's got to exist as some obscure GHC feature or something < 1404836379 335499 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it does exist as a very useful ghc extension, yes < 1404836385 891663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good < 1404836388 635291 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has some surprising applications too < 1404836391 74986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any academic papers about it? < 1404836394 407172 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd better ask on #haskell < 1404836396 907901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll help < 1404836424 911302 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what it's called, maybe higher-order types? < 1404836426 137343 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :'exists'? hmm. < 1404836459 783375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, a higher-order type is one in which a function is used as an argument to another function < 1404836461 680996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in (a -> b) -> a < 1404836478 110548 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :higher-rank type sorry < 1404836515 124132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's types of the form (forall a.a -> a) -> b < 1404836520 465292 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc limits itself to 'forall' though. < 1404836523 458146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the forall is inside parens rather than on the outside < 1404836536 402503 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that like equivalent though? < 1404836548 150020 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you get exists free from foreach or from gadt or something? < 1404836558 187037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I very much hope so < 1404836643 384530 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is about the syntax of the extension in ghc: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/7.8.2/html/users_guide/data-type-extensions.html#existential-quantification < 1404836665 415154 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though you may have to read it together with other extensions like gadt and stuff < 1404836672 954305 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as for the applications, better ask #haskell < 1404836803 274808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gadt's include existentials as a subfeature < 1404836806 575393 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404836819 867852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : gadt's include existentials as a subfeature < 1404836912 345244 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess forall a.exists b. a -> b -> a === forall a r.(forall b. (a -> b -> a) -> r) -> r < 1404836928 83738 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but now the type has a different shape < 1404836932 353624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ghc uses forall in some positions to denote existentials, essentially by demorgan duality < 1404836943 136897 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, I was coming to that conclusion myself < 1404836962 424627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404836963 157231 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the (f === (f -> r) -> r) equivalence is often useful in practice for notating types that would otherwise be un-notatable < 1404836990 515099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :data YourType a where MyConstructor :: (a -> b -> a) -> YourType a < 1404837012 798818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's gadt for exists b. (a -> b -> a) < 1404837014 627558 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :existential datatypes are based on the same trick; if you look at a constructor, you get things like Foo :: forall b. b -> Foo < 1404837068 734936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or without gadt's, data YourType a = forall b. MyConstructor (a -> b -> a) < 1404837078 144881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*without gadt syntax < 1404837135 374597 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how is this useful? the only thing I can ever imagine passing for the argument of type 'b' is 'undefined'. < 1404837147 779045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how this particular type is useful < 1404837160 569125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you can indeed never know what to pass to it < 1404837182 14642 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I don't think I've explained the situation very well < 1404837202 117326 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual case I have is a function which, given the type of its return value, constructs matching types for the two arguments < 1404837213 125515 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it doesn't always do so the same way < 1404837234 562409 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I really recommend you to ask on #haskell < 1404837245 168608 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is too esoteric for #haskell :-) < 1404837245 313774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404837253 947893 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not < 1404837265 579008 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it works in Haskell because such a function necessarily has to be impure < 1404837274 498679 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :too esoteric for #haskell ? no way! < 1404837304 298798 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to work out exactly how it is that this type behaves, at least < 1404837334 500725 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a function of type Foo a => a -> exists b. (b, a -> b -> a) could make perfect sense < 1404837334 742800 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the situation is, I have a type that represents a value that's only valid for a particular, abstract, period of time < 1404837353 686055 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the main operation that makes sense on these periods is taking the union < 1404837354 57324 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note the type class, so that it can do different things depending on the type of a.) < 1404837354 972021 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: like the thingies in ST? < 1404837358 181591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: i think what you mean is that your function must be non-parametric < 1404837372 617706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to be able to distinguish types. < 1404837387 48099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, come to think of it, there clearly is a value of that type: const < 1404837394 24772 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, e.g., the type of sequential composition (i.e. "do a then b" is t1.command -> t2.command -> (t1 + t2).command) < 1404837405 949452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just happens to have the type forall a b. a -> b -> a, which is stronger. < 1404837414 445230 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, if I have two sequential compositions that both return a (t1 + t2).command < 1404837416 711873 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type flip seq < 1404837417 470308 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :c -> a -> c < 1404837422 51745 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might need different t1s and t2s < 1404837435 492183 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we can't guarantee that the first argument to each will end at the exact same time < 1404837436 239799 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know, seq is just const's evil twin) < 1404837473 717153 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: dunno, still sounds sort of like ST < 1404837487 158761 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically just a mess < 1404837510 558370 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be the same sort of category as a name generator function, just on types, rather than values < 1404837519 124487 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sounds like 'unamb' here: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/unamb-0.2.5/docs/Data-Unamb.html < 1404837529 875158 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it sounds like ST < 1404837543 748399 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what a name generator function does is, everytime you call it, it returns a different value; the only meaningful operation you can do on such values is compare them to themselves (equal), and compare them to each other (unequal)) < 1404837556 46168 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is probably right ;) < 1404837576 202319 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"non-parametric" is a good word for this sort of thing, yes < 1404837581 942106 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, it's coparametric < 1404837601 478492 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of working on multiple types, determined by the context < 1404837607 779711 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oleg has some stuff on monadic regions < 1404837610 26708 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it determines which types the context must have < 1404837638 554130 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still sounds like ST magic < 1404837640 486367 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may also be relevant. < 1404837647 502795 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(magic in the positive sense) < 1404837649 770694 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, Google only has 10 results for "coparametric", all of which are irrelevant < 1404837693 298474 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1404837732 529008 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: read up on how ST works, or ask #haskell how it works, because I think you want somethign close to that < 1404837735 832308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need to get copumpkin and edwardk to invent something relevant < 1404837778 208295 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :doc Exists < 1404837778 391731 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data type 12Exists : (13P : 13a -> 12Type) -> 12Type < 1404837778 391911 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Dependent pair where the first field is erased. < 1404837778 392003 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constructors: < 1404837778 392092 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 04evidence : (13x : 13a) -> (13pf : 13P 13x) -> 12Exists 13P < 1404837783 643374 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ask #haskell where to read up on it < 1404837862 697865 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (a : Type) -> Exists (\b => a -> b -> a) < 1404837862 842274 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(13a : 12Type) -> 12Exists (\13b => 13a -> 13b -> 13a) : 12Type < 1404837865 855947 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Control.Monad.ST: "This library provides support for strict state threads, as described in the PLDI '94 paper by John Launchbury and Simon Peyton Jones Lazy Functional State Threads." < 1404837959 535886 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't much to do with ST, I don't think < 1404837991 836843 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you tell why? < 1404837996 315456 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can produce a value of this type, but you can’t do anything with it because pattern matching on types is forbidden. < 1404838048 307905 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: because ST is a monad which has run-time behaviour < 1404838058 553543 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is all at the type system level < 1404838077 91842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just apply datakinds < 1404838080 490668 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: are there any applications of Idris' Exists? < 1404838129 942644 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: but I mean the type system magic part of ST < 1404838136 88595 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (Exists (\n => Vect n Integer)) $ evidence _ [1,2,3] < 1404838136 233191 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04evidence 043 04[04104, 04204, 04304] : 12Exists (\13n => 12Vect 13n 12Integer) < 1404838146 988101 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ST stuff have a type too, not only runtime behaviour < 1404838148 854283 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (Exists (\n => Vect n Integer)) $ evidence _ [1,2,3,4,5] < 1404838148 999297 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04evidence 045 04[04104, 04204, 04304, 04404, 04504] : 12Exists (\13n => 12Vect 13n 12Integer) < 1404838177 691392 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type Control.Monad.ST.runST < 1404838178 605316 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(forall s. ST s a) -> a < 1404838222 270686 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my case, I want other functions to be able to generate values of the hidden types, but only by being parametric on them < 1404838224 771333 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use it to allow any value for some index of a type. < 1404838227 375852 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type Data.STRef.newSTRef < 1404838227 922993 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the point in the original "forall a. exists b. a -> b -> a" that b depends on a in some special way? < 1404838228 221386 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> ST s (STRef s a) < 1404838228 748345 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I have to bundle all this into a type system somehow < 1404838247 537934 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: is the _ being inferred somehow? < 1404838271 887587 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: _ means “fill this in by unification”. < 1404838273 623712 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's pretty much the whole magic: the "STRef" has a phantom type parameter 's' that binds it to a particular call of 'runST') < 1404838274 991127 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type Control.Monad.ST.runST < 1404838275 758202 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(forall s. ST s a) -> a < 1404838351 179014 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, maybe a type family or a type class with an associated type or fundeps could do it? < 1404838446 722276 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: The thing is that [1,2,3] is definitely a (Vect 3 Integer), and unification with the type of evidence thus determines what its first argument must be. < 1404838465 129743 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, yes < 1404838495 117386 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the work is done by evidence, rather than Exists, it seems; but you can only create an Exists using an evidence < 1404838497 475713 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that doesn't really matter < 1404838517 264239 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1404838532 114637 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t really see how the two are extricable. < 1404838636 592277 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, with Exists the first value is erased, i.e. the compiler will do its best to make it not exist at runtime. < 1404838671 127413 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which corresponds to one of the three interpretations of a dependent pair, the other two corresponding to Sigma and Subset. < 1404838679 230775 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :doc Sigma < 1404838679 411673 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data type 12Sigma : (13a : 12Type) -> (13P : 13a -> 12Type) -> 12Type < 1404838679 411868 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Dependent pairs, in their internal representation < 1404838679 411959 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Arguments: < 1404838679 412050 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13a : 12Type -- the type of the witness < 1404838679 412139 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13P : 13a -> 12Type -- the type of the proof14↵… < 1404838691 273216 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :doc Subset < 1404838691 418107 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data type 12Subset : (13a : 12Type) -> (13P : 13a -> 12Type) -> 12Type < 1404838691 418273 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Dependent pair where the second field is erased. < 1404838691 418366 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constructors: < 1404838691 418455 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 04element : (13x : 13a) -> (13pf : 13P 13x) -> 12Subset 13a 13P < 1404838734 635187 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I now know to not try to write this explanation in terms of exists, because it's just subtly different enough from the usual meaning that it'd confuse people < 1404838915 402532 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"copolymorphism" is a good definition of what's going on here, and has 1 Google hit, which is irrelevant < 1404839090 655146 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sounds complicated. < 1404839188 336615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not surprised that I've been stuck on it for months < 1404839213 536159 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404839263 11702 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like my attempts to write linear logic types as Haskell types. < 1404839280 809518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just doing things man was not meant to know hth < 1404839283 894677 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404839355 707239 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it doesn't really make sense to simply write a linear logic type as a Haskell type, because the very existence of a Haskell type for an object implies that you can do things you may not be able to do with a linear object. < 1404839431 656514 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, an LL function "(a * a) -o (a * a)" isn't a Haskell function "(a, a) -> (a, a)", because the LL function must be called exactly once, and the Haskell type doesn't express that restriction. < 1404839456 409075 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, linear objects can't actually exist in Haskell, at least not as Haskell objects. < 1404839500 969555 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The things that *can* exist are Haskell objects that happen to somehow implement LL objects. < 1404839556 334377 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, we might say that the Haskell type "Pf A" denotes a Haskell object that can be used as an LL object whose type is A. < 1404839645 766538 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: By “-o”, did you mean “⊸”? < 1404839650 420244 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: yes. < 1404839665 300710 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is, Pf doesn't distribute. (Or factor through or whatever). < 1404839681 454766 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't write Pf (A -o B) in terms of Pf A and Pf B. < 1404839707 617677 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1404839720 920849 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pf Zero and Pf Bottom are both the same thing (the empty type), because there are no Haskell objects which behave as either a Zero or a Bottom. < 1404839800 179223 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1404839818 658081 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, while Pf (Zero -o Bottom), Pf (Zero -o Zero), and Pf (Bottom -o Bottom) all exist (they're exfalso, exfalso, and id, respectively), Pf (Bottom -o Zero) doesn't exist. < 1404839840 36200 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-83-45.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404840757 43040 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404840769 890132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404840871 170173 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1404841262 438205 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404842673 494373 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Using | to represent the par operator, those are Pf (Top | Bottom), Pf (Top | Zero), Pf (One | Bottom), and Pf (One | Zero). Might be easier to think about, I dunno. < 1404842711 887741 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pf Top and Pf One both exist. Pf (Top | Zero) exists, but Pf (One | Zero) doesn't. < 1404842810 351860 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is because an object obeying the Top protocol can keep making requests forever, so in order to obey the Top | Zero protocol (which requires you to obey both protocols in the order of your choice), you can just make requests forever. < 1404842853 966443 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But an object obeying the One protocol just sits there and does nothing. In order to obey the One | Zero protocol, you have to obey both protocols in the order of your choice. You can obey the One protocol, but then that protocol will terminate, and you'll have to obey the Zero protocol, which is impossible. < 1404843149 462395 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404843931 299815 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1404844070 816144 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404844281 84660 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ligature Machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40111&oldid=40107 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+449) 10 < 1404844324 361226 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404845965 906880 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404846254 50971 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404847127 228709 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: tswett < 1404847567 161976 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1404848358 347941 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1404848764 402959 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1404849016 305069 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1404849190 124906 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1404849208 174055 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404849498 331348 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404851015 523228 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1404851278 259135 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1404851932 7279 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1404851980 708155 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404852162 443042 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1404852168 236696 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404852337 429051 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404852835 792224 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404852837 432984 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404852849 257020 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what's the best unusable esolang? < 1404852873 930296 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most ever Brainfuckiest Fuck you Brain fucker Fuck < 1404852918 982785 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Minimum – I like this one. < 1404852933 680546 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language's syntax: < 1404852942 475505 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "`" < 1404852988 770594 :nooodl!~nooodl@47.122-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like http://esolangs.org/wiki/Subtle_cough < 1404852999 400324 :nooodl!~nooodl@47.122-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess minimum is the EXTREME version of subtle cough < 1404853055 402440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, in Subtle Cough, it looks vaguely like it might be TC, but it isn't < 1404853079 975922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Minimum, it's hard to even write the program (there is only one program), and it's also hard to figure out what it is that that program does < 1404853137 456387 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only a program if you interpret the syntax coinductively instead of inductively. < 1404853145 940636 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> repeat '`' < 1404853147 713924 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````... < 1404853164 776828 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my scientific opinion the program does bupkis < 1404853167 336759 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And evaluation of Unlambdoids is defined inductively, not coinductively. < 1404853299 3750 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404853382 255046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do it lazy, 'k < 1404853599 652142 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right. Language: < 1404853673 906873 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A program consists of a sequence of digits. Execution consists of repeatedly selecting an unspecified pair of identical digits, and replacing the digits and everything between them with a number of copies of the stuff in between them equal to that digit. < 1404853687 121700 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, like, the program 51235 becomes 123123123123123. < 1404853702 124919 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then that program probably explodes or something. < 1404853721 641431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: reminds me of XigXag < 1404853727 663512 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think this is as suitable to bicyclidal enterprises as Most ever Brainfuckiest Fuck you Brain fucker Fuck is < 1404853730 721774 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1404853738 946434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is currently along with Dupdog in the "we're sure this isn't TC but can't quite articulate why" category < 1404853766 471553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: aren't all 1s completely irrelevant in that language? < 1404853770 159804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do interesting things with 0s, though < 1404853776 748551 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they are, yeah. < 1404853788 540076 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing 1s ever do is vanish. < 1404853813 333708 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, SLOBOL needs to be replaced.) < 1404853836 100416 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. Ooh. We need a language based on diffusion-limited aggregation. < 1404853843 334351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: not true < 1404853851 934365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2123 < 1404853857 360950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can become 113 can become 33333333333 < 1404853892 362904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, 113 can only become 3 < 1404853901 952713 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404853922 132499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1404853928 716467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking look-and-say < 1404854475 48371 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404854655 370370 :nooodl!~nooodl@47.122-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :" [...] it's also hard to figure out what it is that that program does" <- i guess it just does nothing and never terminates? < 1404854683 774968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: you go into an infinite regress trying to work out what happens first < 1404854757 589917 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :common problem < 1404854988 827149 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404855005 280224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1404855054 730808 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1404855102 788045 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-91-125.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404855222 887900 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-56-139.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404855432 729978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404855905 11359 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1404855924 365017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1404857217 857523 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404857272 423044 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404857320 179360 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :27m34s! WOOHOO! < 1404857516 961687 :nooodl!~nooodl@47.122-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ? < 1404857640 626318 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you're subscribed to Bixi you get a log of all time you use a bike, with end stations and the time it took. < 1404857654 284167 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/time y/times y/ < 1404857665 163333 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or something ungrammatical like that) < 1404857694 973725 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trajet back home from work is uphill, with uphill slopes that go up. < 1404857699 964404 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tonight I broke my record! :D < 1404857872 656526 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congrats < 1404858109 7487 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: is this numbers thing on the wiki? < 1404858393 851561 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-56-139.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404858526 854071 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-215-196.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404858979 120066 :nooodl_!~nooodl@47.122-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404859148 113595 :nooodl!~nooodl@47.122-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404859200 626300 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1404859704 545976 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: no, it isn't. < 1404859751 663660 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid programming language: < 1404859764 227115 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are four commands: n, e, s, and w. < 1404859791 783121 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1404859805 241412 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> inventory < 1404859805 541279 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The state is a point in space. < 1404859806 832485 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘inventory’ < 1404859818 916031 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is initially (0, 0, 1). < 1404859845 409485 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n rotates the point one radian clockwise about the x-axis as seen from the positive direction. < 1404859866 474087 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e rotates the point one radian counterclockwise about the y-axis as seen from the positive direction. < 1404859870 726302 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s undoes n. w undoes e. < 1404859999 890765 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any sort of conditional branch? < 1404860014 798405 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is, I wouldn't be able to say definitively that it isn't TC < 1404860024 614348 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. < 1404860025 563650 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. < 1404860030 619032 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1404860039 508883 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, not without more thought < 1404860042 152130 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parentheses mean "loop while z > 0". < 1404860052 961300 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1404860053 325377 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now is it Turing-complete? < 1404860058 850043 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1404860065 309505 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can it compute? < 1404860068 830746 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't fail any of the checks that make a language obviously Turing-incomplete < 1404860081 434243 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouln't a (non-looping) conditional suffice if a looping one does? < 1404860081 579032 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when failed < 1404860090 688342 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: no, because then the program always halts < 1404860114 703005 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you could get loopedness by applying one of the rotation commands sufficiently < 1404860124 690804 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1404860133 662161 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind < 1404860141 215448 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're confusing loops in the program with loops in the data < 1404860171 298450 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see that now < 1404860185 35172 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In theory, you can store an arbitrary amount of data here. < 1404860199 425032 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, you can sort of use the point as two registers storing integers up to a certain limit. < 1404860207 495612 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Increment and decrement the integers using tiny rotations. < 1404860222 223941 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the two registers interfere with each other. < 1404860266 74414 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, instructions are written from right to left, just for the hell. < 1404860276 169759 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404860334 267537 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: itym “just for the AP-heLL” < 1404860343 720779 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's AP-heLL? < 1404860421 196442 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad pun, poorly written. you said that it's written RTL, just like APL. < 1404860433 320018 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles himself a few times in penance < 1404860437 389499 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. < 1404860513 301442 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404860626 437025 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This company I want to work for asks me to "show me some interesting code you've written and walk me through it". I'm trying to think if I've really written any interesting code. < 1404860679 236362 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, I'm sure I have. < 1404860779 853731 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's something called FPS.hs. I can't remember what it is at all. < 1404860796 981693 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :estimates the frames per second for an attached process running Quake < 1404860802 182784 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FPS xs) * (FPS ys) = FPS . map (sum . map (uncurry (*))) . tail $ convolute xs ys < 1404860805 702779 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: probably. < 1404860889 669688 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does convolute do? < 1404860905 613809 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does a convolution, duh :P < 1404860933 549928 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :convolute :: [a] -> [b] -> [[(a,b)]] < 1404860961 360890 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not quite convolution actually is. < 1404860977 324916 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1404860980 176366 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expected convolute :: [a] -> [a] -> [a]. < 1404860992 336368 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's why tswett is walking you through it, now isn't it < 1404861114 489711 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks through his code. < 1404861216 169157 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my Docs/Programming directory, I have an HTML directory. < 1404861231 926418 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked in there expecting to find some cute Javascript things. < 1404861252 775002 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out that the only thing in there is a single HTML file. And sure enough, it's pure HTML, with no Javascript at all. < 1404861270 16787 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess half of it is CSS. < 1404861312 170964 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good to be organized. < 1404861449 123014 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet. I have my implementation of Subleq in Verilog. < 1404861490 675046 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.142.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am _not_ in Verilog < 1404861506 119038 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah? Explain this! < 1404861509 647752 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :convolution doesn't necessarily apply only to lists, but it requires some sort of sum < 1404861543 376527 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :discrete schmiscrete < 1404861546 949979 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Summing is appending. < 1404861551 987905 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :subleq: https://clbin.com/VZNL5 < 1404861555 14290 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the definition is "convolute f g x = sum (d from -infinity to infinity) of f(x-d) * g(d)" < 1404861578 572066 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any appropriate definitions of -, *, sum you can think of < 1404861613 199644 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably you can use something other than the reals to sum over, too < 1404861650 503390 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah looks like there's a simple extension to higher dimensions, for a start < 1404861667 444339 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yes, I should probably rephrase it like this < 1404861689 49456 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"convolute f g x = sum (all y, z st y + z = x) f(y) * g(z)" < 1404861720 358625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems a bit........................................................... < 1404861722 979695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :convoluted < 1404861736 470094 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :convolution isn't a very simple operation < 1404861753 514111 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :psh it's just a product on the space of functions < 1404861772 909251 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions on arbitrary groups as long as they're measurable, looks like < 1404861781 489775 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/f/5/3/f53180acc7806c4139550527dcaa6a13.png booyeah < 1404861843 687439 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for me, i'm just amused that convolve is the standard way to multiply polynomials in matlab. < 1404861863 309999 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders the convolution of polynomials. < 1404861888 613474 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of polynomial functions, not polynomial expressions. < 1404862059 814354 :nooodl_!~nooodl@47.122-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what's that λ < 1404862072 393562 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the measure, i think. < 1404862084 22798 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is interesting: http://ddili.org/ders/d.en/ufcs.html < 1404862100 240981 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like extension methods except not required to explicitly be extension methods < 1404862100 385359 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1404862119 40282 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Removes temptation to make a method part of a class just for nicer syntax, I think. < 1404862169 904008 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just checked that the product of polynomials is not their convolution, because i'm an idiot i think < 1404862198 8029 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1404862297 355260 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, the hyperreal numbers are quite the thing. < 1404862363 715005 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the hyporeal numbers? < 1404862391 70114 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. < 1404862394 304486 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturals? < 1404862415 246437 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, the hyporeal numbers are clearly the dyadic rationals. < 1404862431 604182 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess you'd want a transfer principle. < 1404862449 131985 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, right. < 1404862490 939020 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the hyperreal numbers are an enlarged model of the real numbers (in some sense), then the hyporeal numbers must be a shrunk model. < 1404862498 303186 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the hyporeal numbers are the definable numbers. < 1404862529 337737 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1404862609 88590 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let alpha be the smallest positive non-definable number. < 1404862632 559480 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's no such number. < 1404862645 593841 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, that's a way better response than mine < 1404862695 630085 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, because the definable numbers are just another way of saying 'interesting number' ;) < 1404862722 985598 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because there isn't a smallest positive non-definable real any more than there's a smallest positive real < 1404862737 548471 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, on top of that the defining language is something like first-order set theory that you can't recurse in. < 1404862743 101318 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tswett's answer is funnier. < 1404862756 997796 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I know. (At least that first sentence) < 1404862824 99736 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess you could pick some weird fucking order, but fuck that < 1404862831 15387 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Consider alpha/2. Contradiction.) < 1404862836 558669 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there's a film called zorn's lemma? huh < 1404862855 755645 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ... I assume that was a joke < 1404862856 46268 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zorns Lemma is a major poetic work. Created and put together by a very clear eye, this original and complex abstract work moves beyond the letters of the alphabet, beyond words and beyond Freud. If you don't understand it the first time you see it, don't despair, see it again! When you finally 'get it,' a small light, possibly a candle, will light itself inside your forehead. < 1404862869 98350 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In that my statement itself is inherently contradictory) < 1404862871 264877 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have entered an infinite recursion of humor < 1404862895 82170 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this movie looks bad. < 1404863007 115501 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1404863609 96859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404863870 866601 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404864564 279440 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1404864694 50055 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404865355 250641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1404865360 498005 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404865912 466063 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404865943 132777 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404866805 157469 :nooodl_!~nooodl@47.122-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1404866959 734752 :ajf!~Colloquy@host86-172-51-137.range86-172.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: I quit PHP development! Forever! < 1404867033 177268 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404867456 341407 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404867716 586868 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404868093 47581 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a strange case of “There's a Trope for That”, I just learned that there is such a thing → http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CanadaDoesNotExist < 1404868198 965292 :d00p_!~d00p@h77-53-114-163.dynamic.se.alltele.net QUIT :Quit: d00p_ < 1404868212 634379 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Americanada < 1404868370 699944 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the USA should split and regroup with some provinces to form Americanada. < 1404868557 599427 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.rathergood.com/beta_recordings < 1404868593 898411 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-215-196.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404868721 910416 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: what. < 1404868724 348488 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-49-144.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404869025 299352 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Tell the Moon Dog, Tell the March Hare < 1404869026 756340 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404869724 385505 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-49-144.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404869856 752471 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how questions like "What is the type of ('a' ** 'b'), and does it typecheck?" depend on the type you try to give it explicitly < 1404869881 539545 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can do similar things in Haskell to some extent < 1404871272 448595 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: tswett < 1404872056 383736 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404872391 582657 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404872662 547239 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404872936 646138 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1404873821 111201 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1404873869 678532 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1404874114 459034 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404874319 893729 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404874324 520230 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1404874528 208216 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404875201 864112 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1404875395 535075 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/08/health/smallpox-virus-found/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 < 1404875424 217747 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still pretty sure the correct reaction to seeing a vial labeled "VARIOLA" in a freezer is screaming < 1404875592 273568 :d00p_!~d00p@h77-53-114-163.dynamic.se.alltele.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404877313 427171 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404877389 603547 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404878090 579290 :OriginalOldMan!18113e8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.17.62.140 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404878125 189611 :nooodl!~nooodl@47.122-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1404878536 550955 :OriginalOldMan!18113e8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.17.62.140 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1404878801 873014 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my mom wrote a scientific paper < 1404878857 228304 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it good < 1404878882 699517 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't access it right now, the only source I found is behind a pay wall, not going to do that tonight < 1404878901 464395 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you give me a doi or something i could probably grab a copy. < 1404878956 206701 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what a doi is, but I can link the two places I see it < 1404878967 657274 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://journals.lww.com/ajnonline/Citation/1996/11000/PSYCHIATRIC_NURSING__Relaxation_Exercises_Reduce.7.aspx http://jhn.sagepub.com/content/14/3/196.short < 1404878990 209118 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Document Object Identifier, a GUID system for papers. it'd basically just give me the second link there though. < 1404879313 202244 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my school doesn't have access to papers from earlier than 2012. sorr-e. < 1404879384 903799 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, thank you anyway < 1404879689 317360 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tukpnwvacnfzlktm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1404879719 708713 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404880300 895033 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the DOI only ever redirects to an official publisher's website that's pretty useless < 1404880319 139865 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly useful for getting citation info so that you can search for the paper properly < 1404880336 597348 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404880342 391294 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai pplz < 1404880375 365885 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone here? < 1404880380 880683 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: yeah, that's mostly what i use it for. sometimes navigating publishers' sites sucks. < 1404880383 976391 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time. < 1404880390 692956 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm searching for a language, but I can't find the page for the life of me. < 1404880400 113498 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the name of it. < 1404880400 520874 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are people here < 1404880413 236502 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you describe the language, we can see if any of us remembers < 1404880413 380993 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. < 1404880421 507517 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, if it's simple enough, we could just create it on the spot < 1404880439 32010 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK...lessee...the esolang is two-dimensional... < 1404880458 535893 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there's a category for befunge-likes < 1404880470 661529 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and its layout was supposed to overlay a table of all the ASCII values... < 1404880473 497629 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a category for two-dimensionals in particualr < 1404880482 176416 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, I'm not aware of one that acts like that < 1404880495 635147 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'm pretty sure there's a Hello World Program made for it...the only program made for it... < 1404880513 539421 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yhm < 1404880536 452753 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ? < 1404880747 226495 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have mail < 1404880747 569923 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1404880768 213391 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you! < 1404881590 569465 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404881609 956956 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai again < 1404881669 974161 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this one idea for a 1L-type esolang, but it might be too hard to program in. < 1404881693 381358 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wanna hear? < 1404881764 540608 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...hello? :/ < 1404881796 91624 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're still here < 1404881802 337662 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for me, it's 6 in the morning and I've been up all night < 1404881805 656082 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Sorry. < 1404881819 100342 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I may not be so coherent < 1404881830 767031 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for me, it's about midnight. < 1404881846 771822 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: too hard to program in is the point < 1404881856 590957 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, possible specs: < 1404881869 675603 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Space: a nop < 1404881894 58597 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non space: Some instruction, depending on placrment. < 1404881921 249710 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, there's this wheel of commands: < 1404881950 363319 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INC, DEC, FWD, BAK, IN, OUT < 1404881995 706218 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(corresponding to + - > < , . in brainf***) < 1404882048 55030 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starts at INC, and turns the wheel with every forward movement of the instruction pointer. < 1404882063 911638 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: have you seen [[e:Turning tarpit]] < 1404882070 667335 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, why does my macro no longer work < 1404882074 688423 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Turning_tarpit < 1404882076 361578 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1404882076 874542 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have. < 1404882090 431001 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is 2-d. < 1404882108 931164 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 1L-type lang. < 1404882191 299982 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, so if an instruction is reached, then execute the current command on the wheel. < 1404882260 846929 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If an instruction is to the direct left or right of the pointer, then move in the direction opposite the insttuction. < 1404882322 410554 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is one space forwards and one to the side, then turn ss described ONLY IF the current memory cell is nonzero. < 1404882391 957841 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If at any time the pointer is out of bounds, the program terminates. < 1404882422 37022 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't seem that hard to program in < 1404882436 564785 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my original idea was. < 1404882446 402624 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My original wheel. < 1404882471 703916 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It added ROTC, ROTCC, ROTCIF, and ROTCCIF. < 1404882516 833837 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rotate clockwise, counterclockwise, clockwise if current cell is nonzero, counter < 1404882763 571704 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1404883366 970731 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404884421 515848 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1404885480 987044 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Arborealis14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40112&oldid=40087 5* 03Dweymouth 5* (+599) 10question < 1404885527 461141 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Arborealis14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40113&oldid=40112 5* 03Dweymouth 5* (+1) 10new paragraph < 1404886538 909821 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Malbrain14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40114&oldid=36165 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+159) 10Add table and retrieve execution explanation from history. < 1404886580 446035 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1404887148 111725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1404887251 230957 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-83-45.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404888014 742746 :d00p_!~d00p@h77-53-114-163.dynamic.se.alltele.net QUIT :Quit: d00p_ < 1404888248 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1404897236 361336 :sandpiper!~anon@gateway/tor-sasl/slidelock QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404898644 767314 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404900836 903079 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404902797 291750 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1404902815 35604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404903103 496943 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1404903722 187267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1404903892 143777 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAH! 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QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404914495 928956 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1404914500 264608 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404914735 569534 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.142.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404916524 421676 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk NICK :edwardk < 1404918620 328132 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :hvidie < 1404918630 904300 :hvidie!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1404920283 598183 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404920537 604308 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1404921668 113925 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1404921929 641943 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beatnik cat program: < 1404921931 483433 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Output: values displayed as characters." < 1404921947 293632 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(8 9 16 2 17) < 1404922006 122895 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404922051 943611 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that might work. < 1404922575 282946 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1404922937 112257 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1404923291 216025 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404923883 954652 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404924658 326369 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404924762 102645 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@78.136.95.156 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404924944 864223 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@78.136.95.156 NICK :TieSoul-mobile < 1404925126 482240 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-83-45.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404925704 838149 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404927937 101029 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404928241 280705 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404928357 103350 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@78.136.95.156 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1404928926 81198 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404929025 813610 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1404929801 526282 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404930369 628353 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Everett14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40115&oldid=37786 5* 03162.157.73.59 5* (-6) 10 < 1404930854 955231 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404931240 561677 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1404931516 573528 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404931642 123039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1404931693 489154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is metasepia conspicuously absent whenever it's too damn hot here < 1404931738 826390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obvious answer: because boily is only here when it's night in norway.) < 1404931828 718554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404931832 66913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine, let me paste in from the web: METAR: ENVA 091820Z 15005KT CAVOK 30/14 Q1016 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 16014KT < 1404931860 670297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily METAR: ENVA 091820Z 15005KT CAVOK 30/14 Q1016 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 16014KT < 1404931861 67813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1404931963 969804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no the weather forecast has changed, now it says 29-30 for the two next evenings as well ;_; < 1404932047 802336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe friday will start getting livable again < 1404932088 35242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that saturday < 1404932184 346961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the plus side, my apartment is keeping cool. i am wondering if the AC has genuine cooling < 1404932261 325357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not an AC without that, just a fan heater < 1404932269 758268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, if it dehumidifies without cooling, that would also make it an AC < 1404932285 800757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a really pointless thing to do because cooling and dehumidifying are pretty similarly implemented < 1404932309 80799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the thing is in norway heating is usually more needed than cooling < 1404932363 333983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this last week being an exception < 1404932405 289998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the theory is that they might just install a fan heater because it's all that most Norwegians would be likely to need? < 1404932407 840807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense < 1404932456 530465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, that's probably changed with the modern green housing < 1404932480 457411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the houses are supposed not to leak heat whenever possible < 1404932626 138287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means the air circulation system needs a heat pump. < 1404933004 426281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the manual says there's a thermostat for it, but there is no door in the system to get to adjust it < 1404933030 430817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so i do have AC < 1404933104 774493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaks about "varmeveksler" which translates as "heat exchanger" < 1404934512 497133 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404934983 359992 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404935092 81267 :`^_^!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404935225 103408 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1404935431 239046 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404937112 402967 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1404937146 322875 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404937457 793187 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help someone just called me "Nathan van Wolfstein 3-D" < 1404937463 605818 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1404937729 806455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :misinterpret the "3-D" as a smiley < 1404937765 657412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also missing an "en". < 1404937856 720589 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404937870 499193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a g? < 1404937879 151365 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was me, sorry < 1404937983 290183 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404938010 164487 :Feddit!~haydourim@197.8.128.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404938050 66723 :Feddit!~haydourim@197.8.128.101 PART :#esoteric < 1404938067 609687 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 NICK :Bicyclidine < 1404938583 46520 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404939681 918794 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404939778 282612 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404939921 900025 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404940247 553559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what g < 1404940264 678186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's a g in ngevd < 1404940284 24213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1404940389 2676 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that g stand for George < 1404940752 182438 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404940752 382397 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404941221 188518 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1404941245 94015 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, elliott, succession fort once the DF bugfix versions are coming out? < 1404941415 225970 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404941853 496746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1404942650 330480 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404943032 101789 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404943093 563714 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, sure < 1404943918 332399 :nooodl!~nooodl@47.122-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404944467 472349 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404945273 598050 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404945900 86306 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, doesn't the tutorial on the new Haskell homepage fail for people whose names have their letters in ASCIIbetical order? < 1404946010 106514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps your evil twin has the same name as you. < 1404946027 472561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you are the evil twin. < 1404946064 923275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404946080 609064 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you are the resonance between two elemental twins? < 1404946208 870360 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"like ais523, but less evil" is a scary thought < 1404946212 232591 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I conclude that it's possible < 1404946236 71865 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1404946236 532179 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 3h 59m 35s ago: METAR: ENVA 091820Z 15005KT CAVOK 30/14 Q1016 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 16014KT < 1404946249 674095 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: GASP! +30 in Norway? < 1404946271 61674 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404946272 231930 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1404946272 827051 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 092200Z 26009KT 30SM FEW040 FEW060 22/14 A2980 RMK CU1SC1 SLP091 DENSITY ALT 1100FT < 1404946279 318202 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1404946285 659111 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooooooo! I won't accept that! unpossible! < 1404946293 608230 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oerjan's been talking about how this is the first time it's ever been relevant that his AC is not just a fan heater < 1404946301 43843 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually a genuine AC < 1404946430 18190 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we live in interesting times... < 1404946523 884826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the norwegian definition of "tropical night" is a night where temperatures never go below 20. apparently this heat wave is the first time trondheim has ever had two such nights in a row. < 1404946626 460223 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wildly flails around in utter disbelievement. “twenty puny degrees? NONSENSE!” < 1404946650 68683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :celsius hth < 1404946698 324935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 is one of those numbers that's very different in C and F < 1404946724 1847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, that happened _before_ day temperatures crept up to 30 < 1404946741 76985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well that was actually evening in that metar < 1404946886 699379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are separation types so hard to find information about in search engines < 1404946899 948579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my problem is that "separation" and "type" are both pretty common words < 1404946913 8889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have to add extra words that don't match my query but are commonly used in the field, like "proof" < 1404946917 468243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to increase the number of relevant results < 1404946921 732431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from 0 < 1404946954 493428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, "separation logic" is the more usual term < 1404946962 13628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly curry-howard, confusing terminology for everyone < 1404947032 869050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm not quite sure how to move forwards at this point; I basically have two methods < 1404947046 477006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok this article says today was the hottest day in trondheim since 1945. < 1404947056 92915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is the copout of effectively defining one specific rank-2 type as a special case in the syntax < 1404947066 546433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um hottest july. < 1404947086 752475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which basically gives me a language with half the limitations of SCI, which is nonetheless better than SCI because it doesn't have the other half < 1404947110 959769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other method is to attempt to find some sort of definition of copolymorphism, which is awkward because the language doesn't have polymorphism < 1404947115 989455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except in the C++ template sense) < 1404947163 586096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… in Algol 68, "skip" was an arbitrary value of any given data type < 1404947169 704625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in mathematical Algol, it's a no-op command < 1404947183 163382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that sort-of makes sense < 1404947185 414504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think haskell's ST may originally have been implemented as a special case before rank-2 types were implemented generally. < 1404947211 494669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, all this mess came about because SCI is pretty awkward as type systems go < 1404947222 393564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back when I was a first-year PhD student, it became reasonable < 1404947235 349448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I started coming across more and more awkwardnesses < 1404947255 346236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some time after I'd decided it lead to a bunch of problems, I showed it to a conference full of linear logicians < 1404947274 833571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the typical reaction was "why would you do that?" < 1404947313 927240 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404947337 579057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCI isn't really very eso as languages go, I suppose < 1404947361 872334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its main weird/eso feature is that "f x y" and "f (x, y)" are not actually interchangeable < 1404947369 20953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curry exists, but uncurry doesn't < 1404947412 872304 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noted: My dad still is not reliable, and my opinion is _still_ worthless to him < 1404947423 607264 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1404947450 803738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v's alternate nick's username is confusing me a bunch < 1404947461 787382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because I'm unsure whether to interpret the tilde as another "not" < 1404947479 75971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh now the 29 degrees is extending to the saturday forecast as well < 1404947526 422863 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, ^v is not v, so not^v is not not v, so not^v is v, so not^v and ^v are different people < 1404947561 658933 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck tweedeldum < 1404947562 330762 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1404947566 754692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so which of them is ~notnot^v? < 1404947572 962733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck tweedledum < 1404947573 125887 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION *MAPOLES* < 1404947573 352374 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tweedledum and Tweedledee are fictional characters in an English nursery rhyme and in Lewis Carroll's Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There. Their names may have originally come from an epigram written by poet John Byrom. The nursery rhyme has a Roud Folk Song Index number of 19800. The names have since become synonymous in western popular culture slang for any two people who look and act in identical ways, generally in a derogatory c < 1404947585 655409 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotcha < 1404947595 851156 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's mapole swing misses, goes around, and thwacks boily behind the head < 1404947770 732847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm: "two things are proved equivalent, and yet people continue using both sets of terminology" is something that I already hate, despite only having got caught up on it a few minutes ago < 1404947807 632284 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing machine and lambda calculus are equivalent in a sense, but still distinct < 1404947896 493165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, I ate dinner just an hour or so ago, do I eat antilunch already? < 1404947901 944673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I may as well, given that I'm hungry < 1404948025 604327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another thing that annoys me: I have two keyboards within about 25 centimetres of me; both have numlock keys; neither has a particularly noticeable numlock indicator < 1404948047 664849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the laptop keyboard doesn't seem to have one at all; the desktop keyboard in AZERTY does but it's basically impossible to see at this distance, and this distance is not very long < 1404948169 591064 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, was that just... something that came to mind? < 1404948200 995632 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I thought it was relevant to ais523's complaint < 1404948251 230335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the advantage there is that there isn't a 1-to-1 correspondence between Turing machine components and lambda calculus components < 1404948258 8343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't get people naming one after the other, inconsistently < 1404948302 903465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I just saw an interrobang used in a context where a question mark would have made the sentence have an entirely different meaning < 1404948309 848917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this saddens me, because I dislike interrobangs < 1404948310 630246 :monotone_!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :Quit: "I can hear myself... I think I'm a bit afraid." < 1404948325 134489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an exclamation mark would probably have worked, I guess < 1404948509 844250 :monotone!~monotone@66.228.38.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404949119 992951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1404949578 272242 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404950150 515868 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that's the entire reason interrobangs are a good idea... < 1404950269 89349 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You use numlock? < 1404950292 20663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: if I'm using the numeric keypad for almost anything (except playing NH4), the state of numlock is relevant < 1404950302 81309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it helps to know whether it's on or off before I start pressing buttons < 1404950343 688962 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On that note, what do you use the keypad for on a non-neo keyboard layout? < 1404950386 487013 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404950395 862517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"neo layout"? < 1404950405 356746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I just use it because it's nearer to the edge of the keyboard < 1404950413 585334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I scroll down with 2 if I'm trying to hold the laptop in midair < 1404950424 790293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I want my hands at the left and right ends of the keyboard, and neither can reach the arrow keys < 1404950438 653069 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://neo-layout.org/ < 1404950497 404119 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See plane 4 for the bits that also occur to the right of the main keyboard. < 1404950532 498153 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't Melvar spelt with 3 l's < 1404950542 536638 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not this one. < 1404950552 678371 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ∣ < 1404950553 312634 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2223 DIVIDES] < 1404950572 523369 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. I didn’t remember I had that symbol … < 1404950699 557801 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the multiocular o, the triple l used to spell Melvar's true name. < 1404950734 827155 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ꙮ < 1404950735 492273 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1140) A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric." < 1404950782 130328 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ∕ < 1404950782 814049 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2215 DIVISION SLASH] < 1404950800 500012 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ∖ < 1404950801 164907 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2216 SET MINUS] < 1404950802 625969 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does 1140 scan correctly? < 1404950808 445592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1404950810 506563 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.1213 < 1404950849 320426 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting about the symbols in the higher planes of the keypad. < 1404950919 547543 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode v⃗ < 1404950920 293284 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0076 LATIN SMALL LETTER V] [U+20D7 COMBINING RIGHT ARROW ABOVE] < 1404951003 540541 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't combine in this webclient < 1404951011 334687 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just get a v, and a small right arrow next to and above it < 1404951049 495853 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It combines for me, but not really nicely. < 1404951057 617178 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: btw, I had a new idea for a fungot corpus: the glibc and coreutils info documentation < 1404951057 940529 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: if it were a string ( value) but i diverged. but < 1404951376 751478 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: mul-ti-oc-u-lar-ohs < 1404951524 743892 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how many ohs in a multiocular o? < 1404951525 28877 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and her english is worse than that extra append.) well, sure < 1404951543 463498 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so, the more the worsier? < 1404951543 705077 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: sounds too good to make it not exist < 1404951552 550647 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fungot approves! < 1404951552 826099 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ( display ( list ( cadddr lst))) < 1404951776 12761 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1404952753 916293 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :enum + dependent pair = arbitrary sum types? < 1404952766 308480 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, enum + depenent pair + function from enum to type < 1404953007 144399 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404953241 295180 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404953582 969839 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404953653 492854 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404953840 40664 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404953898 802346 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404954095 494479 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404954242 616679 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404954395 802138 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404954635 830078 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404954686 898552 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404954895 308532 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404955301 294590 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404955324 300390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404955414 288377 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 696 < 1404955417 866901 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :696) what a world it would be if you could actually *steal* code so that the other project has to rewrite it or infiltrate your project to steal it back < 1404955427 828582 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can steal data from other processes in CLC-INTERCAL < 1404955432 582777 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404955435 401811 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's read-only, then you can smuggle out copies instead < 1404955452 748676 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai pplz < 1404955457 509566 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1404955469 904323 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone point me to a good golf language on the wiki? < 1404955475 106273 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides GolfScript. < 1404955484 982902 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what you're trying to gold < 1404955487 820456 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*golf < 1404955497 474713 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FlogScript is also a good golf language but I'm not sure it's on the Wiki < 1404955502 84035 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is technically on the wiki but shouldn't be < 1404955506 968157 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404955508 588642 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload is good for writing quine variants < 1404955531 454754 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of my attempts to design golf languages end up as vaporware < 1404955533 984743 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Cyclexa < 1404955541 61679 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyclexa < 1404955553 757353 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a mostly complete spec for that, but I'm not sure it's on the wiki yet < 1404955566 856460 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also most of its features were independently added to Perl anyway < 1404955579 624168 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it still has some features that out-eso even Perl < 1404955585 633453 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: EXPRESSIVE CHICKEN < 1404955587 917681 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404955613 275548 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the "in this block, make the same decisions in all control structures as in that block" construct < 1404955618 845505 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite a nice one < 1404955627 545027 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if you have an if statement in one block < 1404955643 517629 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the if statements in the other block will run or skip the code that's being if'ed the same way < 1404955645 351688 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I make one? < 1404955658 536201 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make a golf language if you like, but IMO it's pretty hard to do well at that < 1404955659 477486 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404955661 963113 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't made one in a while. < 1404955665 845700 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any language. < 1404955679 370700 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to create a 2-dimensional language, actually. < 1404955684 333980 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I think about it. < 1404955705 667882 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2D isn't that good for golfing because of the extra spaces you need to make the lines line up < 1404955777 96165 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not golf. < 1404955782 764732 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave up on that. < 1404955805 811184 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so 2D now. < 1404955810 909053 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 668 < 1404955820 454450 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* Note that the previous quote is, in fact, correctly spaced. < 1404955851 517581 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the previous "previous quote" is long since deleted; 667 is also correctly spaced but there's no obvious reason why it wouldn't be < 1404955935 383050 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404956185 331705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 667 < 1404956186 20808 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :667) oerjan: Hey, what's your country code for telephonistic dialling from the outside world? fizzie: +47 oerjan: Ooh, you're, like, right next to Sweden there. I... guess you are geographically, too. < 1404956196 374957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone respaced it, apparently. < 1404956212 887246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : 781) oerjan: Hey, what's your country code for telephonistic dialling from the outside world? fizzie: +47 oerjan: Ooh, you're, like, right next to Sweden there. I... guess you are geographically, too. < 1404956227 41733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not actually correctly spaced. < 1404956574 815664 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1404956742 1109 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help I've read back to like quote #400 now < 1404956746 68744 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they get funnier on average over time < 1404956751 699270 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm having difficulty breathing as a result < 1404956763 845033 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to remember to never read the entire list at once, I had this problem last time < 1404956800 248479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404957240 712476 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404957690 253891 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 242 < 1404957690 753727 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :242) enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1404957694 949248 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's /that/ recent? < 1404957724 38432 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, when did we take it out of the topic, I feel like it was there pretty much forever < 1404957736 879864 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the "the international hub" topic was probably there longer < 1404957876 500016 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404957952 518073 :pikhq!~pikhq@24.178.249.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404958410 704002 :pikhq!~pikhq@24.178.249.64 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404958584 257868 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404958734 888464 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1404958754 507284 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404958786 201200 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1404958833 733046 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404959184 806292 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404959221 15373 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404959657 662237 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404959869 401631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1404961171 425557 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-178-249-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404961525 542093 :pikhq!~pikhq@24.178.249.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404964630 584500 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404964636 999293 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai pplz < 1404964653 831192 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, does anyone know Whitespace? < 1404964701 885763 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Whitespace < 1404964730 278993 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned recently that the guy who made it is the Idris guy < 1404964798 47430 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, can anyone explain just what the slide operation does? < 1404964842 285326 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, Space Tab LF? < 1404965039 687626 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know? < 1404965046 797371 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello? < 1404965459 109859 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1404965480 584413 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404965618 111159 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still confused about slide. < 1404965640 619674 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1404965801 265219 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In v0.3 of whitespace. < 1404965825 549944 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone explained it to me, I didn't see it. < 1404965872 140767 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it pop N values from underneath the top value of the stack? < 1404965898 736827 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone here? < 1404965946 895089 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fraid not < 1404965970 636857 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, can I get a quick explanation about what it does do? < 1404965987 227279 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from whom? nobodys' here < 1404965998 385522 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you? :p < 1404966047 571361 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like some sort of explanation of the function Space Tab LF (number) in Whitespace. < 1404966097 815926 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The spec says "Slide N items off the stack, keeping the top value". That seems a bit vague to me. < 1404966458 944225 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultraviolet “SmartWater” < 1404966463 109389 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :er.. The idea is that local variables are referred to using [Space][Tab][Space], then on return, you can push the return value onto the top of the stack and use [Space][Tab][LF] to discard the local variables. < 1404966546 326306 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404966561 386612 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a quote from the tutorial < 1404966566 257296 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh...I said "that seems a bit vague to me". < 1404966572 286239 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll leave my paypal information so you can send me some money < 1404966582 488110 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't think I read the tutorial? :p < 1404966985 825154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404967350 913100 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1404967828 654988 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: sleeps < 1404968485 585944 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1404968568 69676 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^0 < 1404969341 319983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1404971494 187011 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from #idris ) < 1404971497 504909 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (Type, Type) (the (Type, Type) (the Type Int, the Type (Int, Int))) < 1404971498 57319 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04(12Int04, 12Int04, 12Int04) : 12(12Type12, 12Type12) < 1404971726 188368 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are (Int, (Int, Int)) and (Int, Int, Int) distinct in Idris? < 1404971732 915295 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, that'd explain that line pretty effectively < 1404971770 406676 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (Type, Type) (the Type Int, the Type (Int, Int)) < 1404971770 570185 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04(12Int04, 12Int04, 12Int04) : 12(12Type12, 12Type12) < 1404971783 581452 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at me everybody, i'm a hacker! < 1404971786 735344 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if they're distinct, but (Int, (Int, Int)) prints as (Int, Int, Int) < 1404971824 849568 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1, (2, 3)) == (1, 2, 3) < 1404971826 547176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘(t0, (t1, t2))’ < 1404971826 710426 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘(t3, t4, t5)’ < 1404971832 442596 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (1, (2, 3)) == (1, 2, 3) < 1404971832 619436 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04True : 12Bool < 1404971975 999597 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, I don't see anything particularly silly about that line < 1404972040 100932 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think this seems a bit silly in a way, even though it makes sense: < 1404972043 498448 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a bit weird that a tuple of types and a particular tuple type are interchangeable < 1404972052 467077 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (the Type (Int, Int), the (Type, Type) (Int, Int)) < 1404972052 629999 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04(12(12Int12, 12Int12)04, 12Int04, 12Int04) : 12(12Type12, 12Type12, 12Type12) < 1404972054 264283 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me, anyway < 1404972137 889311 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (the Type (Int, Int) = the (Type, Type) (Int, Int)) refl < 1404972138 52053 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:5:When elaborating argument 13x to function 09Prelude.Basics.the: < 1404972138 52194 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't unify < 1404972138 215008 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13x 12= 13x < 1404972138 215152 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : with < 1404972138 215239 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 09the 12Type 12(12Int12, 12Int12) 12= 09the 12(12Type12, 12Type12) 04(12Int04, 12Int04)14↵… < 1404972154 121835 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (the (Type, Type) (Int, Int) = the (Type, Type) (Int, Int)) refl < 1404972154 285604 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04refl : 04(12Int04, 12Int04) 12= 04(12Int04, 12Int04) < 1404972157 365021 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not interchangable < 1404972175 467003 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two distinct values of distinct types, written the same way < 1404972189 507021 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i guess the syntactic ambiguity is all then. < 1404972209 686708 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (Int, Int) < 1404972209 849420 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04(12Int04, 12Int04) : 12(12Type12, 12Type12) < 1404972246 393101 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the < 1404972246 555981 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09the : (13a : 12Type) -> 13a -> 13a < 1404972267 929416 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (((Int, Int), Int) = (Int, (Int, Int))) refl < 1404972268 130438 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:5:When elaborating argument 13x to function 09Prelude.Basics.the: < 1404972268 130608 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't unify < 1404972268 130698 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13x 12= 13x < 1404972268 130792 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : with < 1404972268 130913 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 04(04(12Int04, 12Int04)04, 12Int04) 12= 04(12Int04, 12Int04, 12Int04)14↵… < 1404972273 166206 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1404972279 505460 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, that's just a cons issue < 1404972282 325108 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like , is right-associative < 1404972285 868770 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1404972286 32723 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than associative < 1404972301 704870 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the ((4,4,4) = (4,(4,4))) refl < 1404972301 882604 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04refl : 04(04404, 04404, 04404) 12= 04(04404, 04404, 04404) < 1404972306 297890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does (Int,Int,Int) secretly mean something like (Int,(Int,(Int,Nil)))? < 1404972313 432469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how I'd want it to work. < 1404972324 268947 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I suspect not < 1404972329 878556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#scow < 1404972331 309582 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: n-tuples are syntactic sugar for right-nested pairs < 1404972345 199590 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there doesn't seem to be a separate Tuple type, just Type < 1404972359 269668 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HVects exist < 1404972368 369322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ? < 1404972372 471996 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't "Tuple" be some kind of supertype < 1404972376 426573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of something HList-style. < 1404972379 942768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's what HVect is. < 1404972380 552455 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody likes those, eh < 1404972402 80129 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well you want something that makes a distinction between a list and a list element < 1404972409 196899 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order for the ,Nil to be meaningful < 1404972420 702502 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (,) < 1404972421 247559 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:2: error: no implicit < 1404972421 247721 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : arguments allowed < 1404972421 247814 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : here, expected: ")", < 1404972421 247905 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : dependent type signature, < 1404972421 247997 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : expression, name14↵… < 1404972432 921178 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( \ x y -> (x, y) < 1404972433 88116 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:5: error: expected: ",", < 1404972433 88272 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ":", "=>" < 1404972433 88365 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ x y -> (x, y) < 1404972433 88544 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1404972445 911404 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( \ x y => (x, y) < 1404972446 79603 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:5: error: expected: ",", < 1404972446 79871 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ":", "=>" < 1404972446 79963 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ x y => (x, y) < 1404972446 80057 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1404972450 729949 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( \ x => \ y => (x, y) < 1404972450 896392 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):0:0:No such variable A < 1404972454 490767 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1404972459 232435 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (HVect _) [5, "Hello"] < 1404972459 395786 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04[04504, 04"Hello"04] : 12HVect 04[12Integer04, 12String04] < 1404972481 340420 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( \ x => x < 1404972481 503424 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):0:0:Incomplete term \13x => 13x < 1404972482 166030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are tuples something other than HVect? < 1404972507 776530 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because , is symmetrical and :: isn't, I guess < 1404972541 813913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why should , be symmetrical? < 1404972561 973726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I don't understand what you mean. < 1404972630 450813 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I mean it has a type of shape 'a -> 'a -> 'a < 1404972637 266897 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than 'a -> 'b -> 'b < 1404972649 861640 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, 'a -> 'a list -> 'a list < 1404972688 469040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, (a,b) can be sugar for (a::(b::Nil)), or something. < 1404972722 351049 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what about ((a, b), c)? < 1404972745 573326 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many people would say that it's incorrect for that to work differently from (a, (b, c)), as in the type's anything other than reassociated < 1404972751 845225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can mean ((a::b::Nil)::c::Nil) < 1404972755 972851 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (HVect _) [1, [2, 3]] < 1404972756 238101 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of constructor 04Data.HVect.::: < 1404972756 401384 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't disambiguate name: 04Effects.Env.::, 04Data.HVect.::, 04Prelude.List.::, 04Data.Vect.Quantifiers.::, 04Prelude.Stream.::, 04Prelude.Vect.:: < 1404972757 431779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1404972766 904526 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (HVect _) [1, [2, "three"]] < 1404972767 154178 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of constructor 04Data.HVect.::: < 1404972767 317207 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't disambiguate name: 04Effects.Env.::, 04Data.HVect.::, 04Prelude.List.::, 04Data.Vect.Quantifiers.::, 04Prelude.Stream.::, 04Prelude.Vect.:: < 1404972775 671288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't think I care about that very much. < 1404972778 607054 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: lots of things use [] syntax < 1404972782 277201 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (HVect _) [1, (the (HVect _) [2, 3])] < 1404972782 541910 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04[04104, 04[04204, 04304]04] : 12HVect 04[12Integer04, (12HVect 04[12Integer04, 12Integer04])04] < 1404972790 527050 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah, just realized that that was the problem < 1404972791 986255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like three-tuples being a special-case type completely unrelated to other tuples. < 1404972797 404202 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (HVect _) [1, 2, 3] < 1404972797 567166 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04[04104, 04204, 04304] : 12HVect 04[12Integer04, 12Integer04, 12Integer04] < 1404972812 543455 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (HVect _) [(the (HVect _) [1, 2]), 3] < 1404972812 906878 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04[04[04104, 04204]04, 04304] : 12HVect 04[(12HVect 04[12Integer04, 12Integer04])04, 12Integer04] < 1404972821 958892 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all those terms are different with HVects < 1404972828 342802 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and necessarily have to be < 1404972834 950500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1404972848 575336 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it makes sense to have a "self-flattening" list type < 1404972858 267254 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Mathematica does, and like Perl effectively does < 1404972873 916343 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tuples are a bit like that < 1404972882 695744 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm tired and thus incoherent and thus am probably not explaining this well < 1404972884 147777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so we were talking about different things. < 1404972891 357760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense but seems much more complicated. < 1404972934 628315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Haskell, one of the advantages of (a,b,c,d) being a flat data type rather than meaning something like (a,(b,(c,(d,())))) is that you only have to dereference one pointer rather than n. < 1404973006 325527 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, you're complaining about the associativity rules, that's reasonable < 1404973039 301218 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, in Verity, tuples are implemented associatively in terms of pairs, but that's mostly for ease of implementation < 1404973060 541621 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, the underlying theory only has pairs, not n-tuples, but all the constructions generalize in an obvious manner) < 1404973897 94308 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-83-45.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404974648 127073 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93.58.3.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404974708 751907 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pyth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40117&oldid=40011 5* 0324.16.68.13 5* (+3340) 10Added documentation. < 1404977030 113280 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1404978278 381313 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93.58.3.33 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404978951 673042 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40118&oldid=40100 5* 03Rdebath 5* (-26) 10/* Performance Matrix */ < 1404979238 149412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1404979796 291643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can anyone point me to a good golf language on the wiki? <-- there's also burlesque although it's page doesn't actually mention golfing. in fact i think the "less feature bloated" has expired a long time ago. < 1404979841 756803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or maybe not. stlang _is_ large. < 1404979892 359127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also a golfing language, it seems. < 1404979966 690618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my apartment's approximation of ac is not quite temperature stable. < 1404980140 938015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it < 1404980145 859298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s the humidity < 1404980425 384790 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: stlang is severely underdocumented < 1404980434 797527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1404980441 338178 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since if lost the interpreter source there's not much I can do about that < 1404980447 67060 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/if/I < 1404980489 873690 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-34-139.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404980544 348566 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric 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:Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404981469 414720 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404981664 81369 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1404981987 460191 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( with HVect [1, [2, "three"]] < 1404981988 210232 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04[04104, 04[04204, 04"three"04]04] : 12HVect 04[12Integer04, (12HVect 04[12Integer04, 12String04])04] > 1404982974 429267 JOIN :#esoteric > 1404982978 551933 JOIN :#esoteric > 1404982979 68108 JOIN :#esoteric > 1404983006 409497 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404983007 231066 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1404983010 529133 JOIN :#esoteric > 1404983011 44599 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404983024 633718 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 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02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40122&oldid=40120 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+236) 10More verbal < 1405027413 916317 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405028063 741280 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405028721 402679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1405028918 775061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1405029385 509312 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1405029915 330391 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1405030133 428730 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you prove coppro's conjecture about Ligature Machine? < 1405030383 584380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is this internet going so slow? < 1405030404 291753 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a gremlin's interfering with the ethernet < 1405030455 996086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like "The Aberration Hater Card Game"? < 1405030466 751429 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1405030529 560311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone told me of another card game where roles switch, although per turn rather than per game; in my game, roles rotate per game instead (although for an informal game you can just never rotate roles if you like, just as you can also choose not to draft for an informal game if you like) < 1405031399 266843 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1405031483 506412 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ligature Machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40123&oldid=40111 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+615) 10Variations < 1405031576 418976 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405031576 599390 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405031576 779780 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405031577 436337 :ski_!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405031577 910918 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405031578 91293 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405031578 91433 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405031579 609809 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405031579 610039 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405031579 610170 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405031579 610361 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405031579 799033 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.198.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405031579 995879 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405031579 996010 :hubs!hubs@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe69:46d3 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405031580 905144 :kyhwana_!kyhwana@snowleopard.kyhwana.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405031581 101294 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405031581 299383 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405031581 299512 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405031581 788067 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405031582 397221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :*.net *.split < 1405031602 942335 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1405031619 620279 :ski!~ski@129.16.29.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405031621 166638 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth JOIN :#esoteric < 1405031694 393538 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1405031726 627612 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405031763 869124 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1405031764 50093 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.198.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405031764 50246 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1405031764 50312 :hubs!hubs@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe69:46d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405031764 50376 :kyhwana_!kyhwana@snowleopard.kyhwana.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1405031764 50440 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1405031764 50502 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1405031764 50565 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1405031769 785586 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1405031769 966542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1405031859 636819 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1405031883 347902 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1405031918 889556 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405032184 14282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1405032699 204421 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1405032766 907221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to get a link to a file in HackEgo just served as text/plain without the surrounding HTML? < 1405032793 868189 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1405032875 71469 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there used to be, however it was via the mechanism that currently gives you HTML < 1405032935 308654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1405032947 166974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also see a "raw" download but that's not suitable for viewing in a browser. < 1405032965 826490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, rather, my browser is unsuitable for viewing it. < 1405032974 44344 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why browsers don't have an option to override Content-disposition: < 1405032978 748033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Browsers ought to give you an option to -- yes, that. < 1405032983 807357 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, the disposition is sometimes set for security reasons < 1405032993 320772 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1405033012 170661 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be easy enough to interpret a "download" disposition as "show inline, but don't send cookies or interpret JavaScript" < 1405033025 989192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could see not allowing HTML, I guess. But text/plain? < 1405033036 18871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that. < 1405033049 68946 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never claim that text/plain is immune to XSS attacks < 1405033072 519424 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be one of the most common XSS vectors (because people didn't expect it to execute JavaScript), back before IE was fixed to be sane < 1405033083 644276 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this still happened as recently as IE 9, I think < 1405033122 95593 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a result, many websites will refuse to serve text/plain under any circumstances; the normal workaround is to serve as text/css, which is treated as text/plain by all major browsers (and as text/plain should have been treated, by old IE) < 1405033469 198418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :view-source:http://download/url < 1405033728 724763 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1405033728 905158 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1405033752 159704 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1405033836 389544 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wow, last time I saw that trick was back in the days before I understood that CGI was server-side and had only just found out about JavaScript < 1405033840 668289 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. a very very long time ago) < 1405033890 683463 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually there's a key like control-u to get to view-source: < 1405033926 569640 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, thats irrelevant in this context.. sorry, didnt see the full discussion < 1405033927 645306 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1405033978 741798 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1405034044 644019 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :icfp contest starts in a few weeks < 1405034073 31053 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I must try not to miss it this time < 1405034090 255321 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually got a paper accepted to ICFP once, and have come top 50 in the contest, but never higher than that < 1405034100 508842 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the contests vary a bunch in quality, though < 1405034108 853423 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them, I've been there on time but didn't really feel like participating < 1405034110 265945 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some have been pretty awesome.. < 1405034116 211885 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :others, I'd love to have participated in, but I missed them < 1405034130 991496 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :endo pretty awesome, umix pretty awesome.. < 1405034145 332717 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :less interested in changing orbits of satellites < 1405034194 284278 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :making bots navigate a maze not as interesting to me either < 1405034408 208393 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bots in the maze one was the one I participated in < 1405034414 907875 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the maze solving wasn't the main issue < 1405034423 107694 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lack of collision given limited data was the issue < 1405034445 201137 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just aiming directly for the goal was difficult under the assumptions given < 1405034624 273452 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1405034935 403872 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if you can make money by buying homes where someone recently died, at a "scare" discount, and later flip it < 1405034952 471996 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1405034962 563468 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many rational competitors? < 1405034963 600750 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no such thing as a scare discount < 1405034977 917700 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're better off with a bankruptcy/tax sale < 1405035035 36290 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1405035256 935695 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, if some random person died of natural causes why would it affect the price < 1405035262 480366 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1405035276 747492 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they died in some sensational and gruesome way, that'd probably make the price go up < 1405035312 862588 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :up? < 1405035324 829635 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"why would it affect the price?" <- ghosts! < 1405035326 14395 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh! < 1405035466 130174 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1405035475 379658 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they died because a tree came through the roof < 1405035499 51910 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anaphylactic shock from an overabundance of mold spores < 1405035505 968348 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not gonna drive up the price < 1405035549 368782 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405035641 88031 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1405035998 349681 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405036392 836851 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:999b:afec:1e8a:ba2d JOIN :#esoteric < 1405036412 527548 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-129-14.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1405036417 340092 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405036591 291742 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405036783 155435 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1405036864 513206 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1405037317 866237 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1405037811 902091 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1405037899 668394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1405037917 835991 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit < 1405039326 364790 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1405040393 932739 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1405040576 944080 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/0cqKIeQ.gif < 1405040774 204203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca 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:#esoteric < 1405043933 759528 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1405043933 759590 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1405043933 759651 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405043933 759762 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1405043933 759824 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1405043933 759887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1405043933 759948 :yiyus_!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1405043933 760009 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405043933 760072 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405043991 677014 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that both a Commutative Ligature Machine and a Ligature-Counter Machine are capable of recogizing balanced parentheses, although it doesn't seem that the ordinary Ligature Machine can. < 1405044182 687209 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN 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:Changing host < 1405044612 906298 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405045238 595833 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-nwckuzafdlpxqxha QUIT :Changing host < 1405045238 776229 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1405045258 209734 :FreeFull!~freefull@host-78-149-139-88.as13285.net NICK :Guest90268 < 1405045393 175389 :Guest90268!~freefull@host-78-149-139-88.as13285.net QUIT :Changing host < 1405045393 356288 :Guest90268!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1405045396 202035 :Guest90268!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1405045472 298495 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1405046629 924424 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1405047434 473304 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1405048062 991201 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1405048648 723102 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1405049288 717403 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/2a88kb/why_all_browsers_are_horrible/ < 1405050557 56156 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: sleepan < 1405050614 833213 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :devops_copumpkin < 1405050621 119355 :devops_copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1405051459 547463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there channels about compiler optimizations? < 1405051841 208311 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I like the idea of implementing Flash by printing a message saying that it's crashed and dereferencing a NULL pointer < 1405052137 365002 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1405052166 274899 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1405053130 802926 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1405053698 150903 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1405054065 382885 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1405054495 494275 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ligature Machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40125&oldid=40124 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+1925) 10Syntax < 1405055046 395558 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1405055142 243322 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really like the DM untouched by the sorrow of adulthood analogy < 1405055162 372945 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also like the fact that he elects to write "wroughth" instead of "wreak" < 1405055571 31335 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O at Meteor.js... is it a thing on top of Node.js or is it an alternative to Node.js or is it something else entirely? < 1405055603 596208 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ curl https://install.meteor.com | /bin/sh < 1405055623 821477 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People criticize rust for that, why not meteor? (Although Rust's does sudo) < 1405055672 659433 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to start calling Firefox Fiona and Chrome Christopher. Much better names. < 1405056112 856866 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there cards in Magic: the Gathering having such things as: Protection from tokens. Protection from objects with counters. Protection from objects with protection. Protection from colorless. Protection from lands. Protection from tapped permanents. etc < 1405056131 843415 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can search for each of those in Gatherer < 1405056146 226531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1405056171 81934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had other idea too: A card which makes all permanents having abilities with an untap symbol to gain vigilance. < 1405056234 998202 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty rare for untap-symbol abilities to be played, though, which means there's not much point in playing a card that makes them worse < 1405056241 400099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What about Inspired abilities? < 1405056250 757713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to refer to those? Since it's not a real keyword. < 1405056257 214481 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that wouldn't work within the rules, Inspired's an ability word < 1405056261 569614 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, the rules can't see anything in italics < 1405056270 256466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What does Inspired abilities mean? < 1405056273 256452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. But is there a way around it? < 1405056282 179464 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: What is the use of ability words then? < 1405056298 968643 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ability words are basically used to give an easy name to refer to effects of a particular shape < 1405056308 311299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?text=+[Inspired] < 1405056316 781438 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. for inspired, it's "Inspired - When CARDNAME untaps, ..." < 1405056337 587086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's not italicized on the gatherer page for some reason. #scow < 1405056368 583720 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still possible to have an effect on all inspired cards by writing, e.g. "Abilities don't trigger as the result of permanents untapping", but that would affect other cards too < 1405056422 655318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1405056436 739786 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Well, maybe such thing I mentioned may be useful if it is a draft containing both this card and others with untap symbol, and possibly also if you manage to draft this card and another, having untap symbol but you want vigilance instead at least sometimes. Since, you play or not play such a global effect. < 1405056526 534310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe you don't draft and you just get assigned random cards and have to pick a subset (not necessarily a proper subset) of them to use, and then add basic lands of your choice. Possibly, everyone has the same cards assigned to them, too. < 1405056545 346271 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: those formats are called Sealed and Duplicate Sealed, respectively < 1405056568 995295 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wizards publishes recommended randomization methods for the formats (normally involving opening boosters as the method of randomizing the cards) < 1405056593 737766 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. in one official game I played, they recommended assigning each player six boosters of Tenth Edition < 1405056759 774358 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played one draft in which they had two packs of one set and one pack of another set. Even if sealed, you could do something similar, not using all cards of one set. < 1405056980 435987 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea would be "Semi-Duplicate Sealed", where most cards are the same for each player but each player also gets a few cards that are individual to them (although everyone still gets the same rarity distributions). < 1405057059 70616 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1405057786 429115 :xhelvete!~xhaze@118-92-230-225.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1405057973 705814 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Horizon Drake has protection from lands < 1405058018 486622 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at the Ligature Machine < 1405058091 650015 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but that's rare. "Protection from artifacts" is qutie common, and there's at least one card each that mentions "Protection from creatures", "Protection from multicolored", "Protection from monocolored", "Protection from all colors", "Protection from its colors", "Protection from the colors of permanents you control", "Protection from everything" < 1405058148 208879 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, infamously, "Protection from the chosen player" < 1405058171 771206 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be obvious, but "Protection from the chosen color" is quite frequent < 1405058196 700696 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's lots of instants and auras that give it, and the great creature Order of the Stars < 1405058241 846508 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'd like to see but doesn't exist is an aura saying "Permanents have protection from enchanted creature/permanent. This effect doesn't remove ~." < 1405058242 27215 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we treat the input string as the only input, the Ligature Machine is clearly capable of running any FSM on that input, i.e. it can recognise all regular languages (half of coppro's conjecture) < 1405058250 950159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I discovered that "damage can't be prevented" gets around protection, since protection works by preventing damage. < 1405058256 455452 :xhelvete!~xhaze@118-92-230-225.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz PART #esoteric :"Read Error: Connection reset by peer pressure." < 1405058258 5425 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can alternatively act as a PDA, but can't take input while it's doing that < 1405058273 349201 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, not obviously < 1405058294 894525 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can never read behind the cursor, it is definitely sub-TC; it has one stack as the only storage < 1405058447 58662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and there's also "Protection from instant spells and from sorcery spells", "protection from each of the exiled [imprinted] card's card types", "protection from instants", "protection from enchantments" < 1405058506 17464 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1405058615 49164 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one nice thing about Ligature Machine is that it's trivial to compile to Thue (assuming that you have some characters you can guarantee won't exist in the input) < 1405058621 869032 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ? < 1405058633 419017 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1405058822 369018 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling to Thue? but Thue is much more powerful than the ligature machine, so that doesn't do you much good < 1405058847 155542 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it gives you an implementation < 1405058861 953442 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is nice if you want to actually test programs < 1405058872 208946 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1405059036 151026 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1405059120 58221 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm trying to work out if "PDA without input" is a distinct computational class from "finite-state machine" < 1405059152 964176 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my feeling is "no", in which case the Ligature Machine is a pure finite-state machine < 1405059317 696505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I'm not sure whether Ligature Machine is just a finite state machine or more powerful. I'll have to think about this < 1405059358 184579 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: if you didn't have the |=:| rule, then it would be a finite state machine < 1405059394 236650 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no WAIT < 1405059397 649033 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even then < 1405059414 928070 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, um < 1405059438 706920 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you can clearly form a stack via pushing the rest of the input further and further away < 1405059448 519635 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, this then prevents you reading the input < 1405059459 561595 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's equivalent to a language with one stack, for which the input starts on the stack < 1405059467 477994 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: what I wonder is whether you can recognize {a^nb^n} < 1405059471 69103 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which gives you FSM power if the stack never grows < 1405059484 521421 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, one stack and input starts on stack? are you sure in that? < 1405059495 977117 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's equivalent to that < 1405059500 7478 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can never read to the left of the cursor < 1405059502 150443 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that rings a bell, let me read up on that < 1405059509 92146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I do not see any way to recognize {a^nb^n} with it < 1405059514 371944 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the area to the right of the cursor can be treated as a stack < 1405059519 705356 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, a^nb^n is obviously impossible < 1405059528 371499 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if n is greater than the square of the number of symbols < 1405059541 705168 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you don't have any place to record it once the cursor comes within one square of the first b for the first time < 1405059607 898040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What changes if you have two ligature machines, with a machine that reverses its input in between? < 1405059625 985558 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the tie-breaking rule of LM for when multiple rules apply? < 1405059644 469784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It is not possible for multiple rules to apply? < 1405059654 498780 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1405059674 892339 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it looks at two adjacent symbols always < 1405059676 755307 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid question < 1405059696 257646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rule table is basically a function from a pair of symbols to a symbol and a mode, so always exactly one rule applies. < 1405059939 640012 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I guess you're right, PDA with the input on the one stack is probably the same power as a finite state machine < 1405060050 978464 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes it does look like that to me too (I think) < 1405060070 117979 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ligature Machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40126&oldid=40125 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+426) 10Combinations < 1405060309 213769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1405061428 528277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm interesting. i suspect the color codes in HackEgo's announcements are the reason why IE won't recognize today's tunes logs as text. < 1405061491 601875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and thus refuse to open them in browser) < 1405061499 736021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1405061662 194608 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1405061829 539428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I also see a "raw" download but that's not suitable for viewing in a browser. <-- that's what used to work but hgbrowser had some "security update" that disabled it opening in the browser. < 1405061845 164144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. `url used to give that link. < 1405061856 767618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know it used to give that link. < 1405061884 184627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's probably all about the text/plain mess ais523_ talked about < 1405061995 7656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on the browser, you may be able to get it to work by prepending "view-source:" to the URL. < 1405062038 774245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just tried that since elliott mentioned it in the log. IE seems to think i am trying to open an app and asks for security confirmation. < 1405062057 714493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't actually try confirming. < 1405062125 97166 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1405062196 654726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead i just used wget -O - ... | less in nvg's linux server. < 1405062723 595175 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405062727 721824 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1405064060 197047 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1405064184 823030 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1405065996 331546 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1405066843 40500 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405067068 701044 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1405067683 853294 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1405067684 33707 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1405068766 64558 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $HOME < 1405068766 811862 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp < 1405068806 372786 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1405068807 399878 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 98076 \ a \ app.sh \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ moop.txt \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ unpa \ UNPA \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1405068815 894484 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file cat < 1405068822 614396 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: ASCII text < 1405068836 197317 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url cat < 1405068837 7460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/cat < 1405068910 959666 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a firefox addon that allows me to force something it wants to download to be opened in the browser instead, with the mimetype of my choice, with text/plain being the most frequent application for me. < 1405069054 179611 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls -A < 1405069054 916303 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 98076 \ a \ app.sh \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ .hg \ .hg_archival.txt \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ moop.txt \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ unpa \ UNPA \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1405070289 111654 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405072837 858266 :vifino!~vifino@37.24.78.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405073489 695447 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xqpinqlwhwvthunj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1405073876 340548 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405075577 40072 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CALF CHICKEN < 1405075736 367715 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1405076445 49491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1405077476 102165 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1405079987 511799 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1405080203 931117 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1405080790 550482 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1405080807 60180 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1405081747 104804 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405082278 164250 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405082515 183043 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405082602 178572 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1405082644 732484 :monotone!~monotone@66.228.38.77 QUIT :Quit: "I can hear myself... I think I'm a bit afraid." < 1405082931 466376 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1405084069 222151 :yiyus_!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405084581 570529 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1405086328 914906 :axtens!~axtens@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1405086816 788658 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1405088501 748639 :axtens!~axtens@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood < 1405088563 369538 :axtens!~axtens@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1405090967 408123 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1405091024 390913 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1405091124 363412 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1405091366 12905 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405091712 815791 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1405091983 84583 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Goldfish/Implementation14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40127 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+1732) 10Created page with "Goldfish implementation in C++ by [[User:GermanyBoy]].
 #include  #include  #include  #include  using namespace std;  const int SIZE ..."
< 1405092074 230709 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Goldfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40128&oldid=40068 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+81) 10/* See also */ added implementation
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< 1405095156 604571 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SELECT.14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40129&oldid=39240 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-7) 10Makes no sense to put the derivation of -1 after the first place it is used (in the derivation of e)
< 1405095646 456396 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a difference between "the set of numbers output by an elementary function evaluated at 2" and "the set of computable numbers"?
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< 1405096331 212732 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internet is giving me any examples of "non-elementary computable numbers"
< 1405096334 318755 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :halp
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< 1405097312 684186 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/taworvor/ :P
< 1405097480 96034 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: there are very likely much more computable numbers than elementary ones, though it's hard to prove that any particular number is computable but not elementary
< 1405097518 869364 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i figured someone would have constructed one
< 1405097530 607743 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: constructing one is easy, proving is hard
< 1405097535 648368 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are elementary numbers all primitive recursive?
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< 1405097566 124311 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could hope that something like SUM_k 2**(-2**(2**(2**(2**k)))) is non-elementary, but I don't think you can prove it
< 1405097580 386190 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, say, riemann_zeta(2)
< 1405097586 745452 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1405097590 640045 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean riemann_zeta(3)
< 1405097592 539158 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
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< 1405098682 7994 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this time Strings are really just lists
< 1405098692 529222 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not some seperate datatype that required lots of hackery to make shit work
< 1405098722 106277 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some burlesque functions working on lists just converted strings into a list of characters
< 1405098734 699548 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then make a hacky check if the resulting list starts with a character
< 1405098738 200670 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, convert back to string
< 1405098755 976296 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because mapping over a list of characters not necessarily leads to a list of characters)
< 1405098778 499953 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you're currently out of luck if you don't want a string as a result but your first element happens to be a character :D
< 1405098796 336582 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody noticed this so far on code golf :D
< 1405099208 618712 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also two version of concat for this
< 1405099212 800186 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least two versions :)
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< 1405099355 808033 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc""def"mo
< 1405099356 111634 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:ad2d:b0f1:fcf8:73a7 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
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< 1405099393 432435 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...
< 1405099463 616229 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc""def"moL[
< 1405099463 894279 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:ad2d:b0f1:fcf8:73a7 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
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< 1405099493 771318 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kinda cool
< 1405099501 929077 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reverses the second argument
< 1405099511 993942 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :creates a list of infinite copies of that
< 1405099518 216213 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and prefixes it with numbers from 1..infty
< 1405099526 986517 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq """def"mo5.+
< 1405099527 359099 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:ad2d:b0f1:fcf8:73a7 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
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< 1405099542 327318 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the timeout would allow it :(
< 1405099546 917997 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq """def"mo2.+
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< 1405100937 28737 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... I'm now a BSc.
< 1405100954 623160 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1405100960 952647 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats
< 1405100962 503023 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a 5.3 average (6.0 is maximum)
< 1405100966 425360 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just completed the nintendo gallery
< 1405100972 566111 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're roughly equal achievements :P
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< 1405101865 931925 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 2"def"mo3.+
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< 1405101871 289753 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 10"def"mo3.+
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< 1405101929 239220 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1405101943 180509 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {"abc" "def"}{"ghj" "klm"}?*
< 1405101943 406068 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:ad2d:b0f1:fcf8:73a7 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"cbajhg" "fedmlk"}
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< 1405102333 655297 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the nintendo gallery
< 1405103107 32103 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/FMNSSun/Taworvor <- and the repo is online
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< 1405107092 209865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: assuming you mean the ELEMENTARY complexity class, my hunch is for something like a real number encoding the diagonalization of all ELEMENTARY algorithms
< 1405107130 57406 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: define ELEMENTARY?
< 1405107131 432664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, or even just the result of them
< 1405107146 103435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELEMENTARY
< 1405107189 474531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you instead mean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_function, then there are no such numbers; f(x) = a is an elementary function for every number a
< 1405107270 982477 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, i meant the set of numbers given by compositions of computable elementary functions evaluated at 2.
< 1405107279 714304 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELEMENTARY looks different
< 1405107299 871286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in that case f(x) = a is still elementary, and computable if a is.
< 1405107308 403031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[SELECT.]] has lots of "it's" where it should have "its"
< 1405107318 147545 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then fix it
< 1405107323 877752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1405107379 873232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or alternatively, yes, if you pay me $5 for the three minutes of work at $100/hr
< 1405107386 231315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accept bitcoin
< 1405107422 813334 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1405107452 501233 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what i am trying to get at is the set of numbers computable by SELECT. so, i guess the problem is that SELECT. can't use constants. i think this concept is captured in the concept of "elementary number"
< 1405107494 916378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1405107495 135562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would also throw in fixing the capitalisation of the headers for free.
< 1405107499 491027 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: its not bothering me enough to do it myself or pay anyone else ;)
< 1405107564 1854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the root taking looks like the tricky part, how do you bound the complexity of computing those
< 1405107577 271457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: how about for $2.50?
< 1405107577 518143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_number)
< 1405107701 101298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, SELECT. cannot take roots can it?
< 1405107718 344313 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't no
< 1405107729 295560 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, not in general
< 1405107734 263641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: $0.3625, as per US federal minimum wage?
< 1405107759 737964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point giving me money has to be less fuss than having me monologue-haggle with you
< 1405107762 454894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, perhaps it cannot calculate all elementary numbers
< 1405107771 658351 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay, i'll pay that, minus the cost of the time it takes me to send the money, paid to me at the same wage
< 1405107781 305246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: okay. do you have bitcoin?
< 1405107793 622998 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a few
< 1405107816 711353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's currently ~0.00056 BTC
< 1405107852 424104 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have anywhere to send
< 1405107866 852936 :pikhq!~pikhq@24.178.249.64 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have that in Doge.
< 1405107923 719980 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so what would be an example of a number it can't compute? perhaps just a random root of a random pentic equation?
< 1405107934 912106 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so how much time are you willing to invest failing to negotiate a fee for your services?
< 1405107946 826425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it is its own reward
< 1405108015 558873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i don't have the necessary expertise to find a more elegant answer than "something something halting problem/diagonalization over the complexity class that can compute all those numbers"
< 1405108029 151546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, edit completed, pending on payment :)
< 1405108063 505296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(do I need to edit my user page to disclose a CoI?)
< 1405108081 599947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on esolang hth
< 1405108102 947979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we accept all paid edits.  in fact we'd _love_ it if the bancstar people did some.
< 1405108116 412879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, some that improved the article, anyway.
< 1405108165 250506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is having a hard time imagining a corporation wanting to pay for that.
< 1405108205 542272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: as in, for all i know SELECT. can't compute the roots of x^5 + x + 1 but i cannot prove it.
< 1405108227 892817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there might be someone who can.
< 1405108351 625059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it's been a while since i checked up on bitcoin
< 1405108359 636271 :newsham_!~chat@72.235.201.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/900055/is-sql-or-even-tsql-turing-complete ?
< 1405108398 903528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks fairly stable
< 1405108400 546449 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^5+x+1 = (x^2+x+1) * (x^3-x^2+1). try again.
< 1405108418 225582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: wait what
< 1405108436 651788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was the standard simplest example
< 1405108465 734281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of a primitive polynomial of fifth degree
< 1405108489 540182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also something not solvable in radicals
< 1405108490 658899 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^5+x^2+1 is irreducible.
< 1405108546 974999 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or x^5-x+1
< 1405108553 978311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x -> x^5 + (x::Int) + 1 == (x^2+x+1) * (x^3-x^2+1)
< 1405108555 739839 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++ OK, passed 100 tests.
< 1405108560 72216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1405108563 842076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah a minus
< 1405108612 271910 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm using pari/gp for this btw. it has a neat factor() function that works for single variable polynomials with integer coefficients. (and also over GF(p), but I'm not sure about other finite fields))
< 1405108653 607996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i've just internalized it wrongly as "the simplest example you can think of that isn't obviously reducible, isn't."
< 1405108728 969483 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you stare at it long enough, the third root of unity "obviously" satisfies x^5+x+1 = 0.
< 1405108766 944500 :newsham_!~chat@72.235.201.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?let oneInt = (1 :: Int)
< 1405108769 283768 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1405108778 583181 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SELECT.14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40130&oldid=40129 5* 03Ehird 5* (+339) 10general cleanup. I was meant to be paid for this edit.
< 1405108811 182960 :newsham_!~chat@72.235.201.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?let forceInt :: Int -> Int; forceInt = id
< 1405108813 45169 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1405108874 706819 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type (`asTypeOf` oneInt)
< 1405108875 578280 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int -> Int
< 1405108937 709689 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: don't you mean the third root of -1?
< 1405108943 362292 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :YUPLOL
< 1405108951 858891 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no.
< 1405108952 953122 :YUPLOL!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :FERILOVESTHEM
< 1405108955 750698 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1405108963 690218 :FERILOVESTHEM!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :v^
< 1405108964 939422 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i didn't stare long enough
< 1405108968 226464 :v^!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v
< 1405108989 271697 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: for the third root of unity, x^5 = x^2, so we get x^2+x+1.
< 1405108990 260289 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if l is the third root of unity, then l^5=l^2 right? oh
< 1405109011 880210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the third root of unity which isn't 1, naturally
< 1405109045 238723 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1405109071 584073 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a primitive third root of unity, really.
< 1405109073 311892 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405109083 746398 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still not seeing why x^2+x=-1 visually
< 1405109096 785560 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi boily
< 1405109108 13634 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like unibroue?
< 1405109127 92013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 1, x and x^2 are in an equilateral triangle around zero, that's pretty visual
< 1405109127 898969 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: leave it as x^2+x+1, then it's a nicely symmetric star. (oh it also satisfies x*(x^2+x+1) = x^2+x+1)
< 1405109141 607009 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah yep that does it
< 1405109173 140453 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then, of course, you can look at (x^2+x+1)*(x-1) = x^3-1.
< 1405109183 383394 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v
< 1405109184 457314 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's algebraic
< 1405109205 384750 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x*(x^2+x+1) = x^2+x+1 is inbetween: multiplying by x is a rotation)
< 1405109345 854644 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: QUINTHELLOPIA! of course!
< 1405109361 181880 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this place has eau benite.
< 1405109405 825719 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the other kind of "this place"
< 1405109406 6079 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i haven't tried it
< 1405109414 706667 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :la terrible is my favorite beer ever
< 1405109430 874674 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not knowing the "eau benite" brand of beer didn't help)
< 1405109458 248044 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :unibroue is a bran
< 1405109458 956147 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
< 1405109465 79890 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never heard of the Eau Bénite.
< 1405109465 618055 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :eau benite is a beer
< 1405109495 700453 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy water?! strange name ... though that goes for a lot of beer brands
< 1405109509 328441 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd consider going to quebec just to visit unibroue and try everything
< 1405109523 267752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i thought it was some subtle praise of the channel
< 1405109527 199052 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should also try those from RJ, and then all the microbrasseries :D
< 1405109572 169302 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :RJ?
< 1405109573 513538 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.troududiable.com/spip.php?rubrique5 ← they make my favourites.
< 1405109582 418107 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.brasseursrj.com/
< 1405109635 781498 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from RJ, my favourite is the Coup de Grisou.
< 1405109645 88257 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever name
< 1405109659 183239 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rj says the english version of their site is not available
< 1405109675 363989 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should email them "i'll translate your website for a big sample box"
< 1405109755 630964 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :P
< 1405109783 231793 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I'm trying to learn Erlang
< 1405109828 855214 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you should come to Montréal during the Mondial de la Bière. it has beers.
< 1405109835 150222 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that's good!
< 1405109838 766132 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would think so
< 1405109871 241287 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I'm feeling a feeling I haven't felt since I first learnt Haskell
< 1405109886 678608 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: any independent coding projects?
< 1405109932 11092 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANY VEGETALES IN THE BRAIN?
< 1405109933 848245 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: are you titillated? nonplussed? flummoxed? intrigued? chagrined? dazzled? mystified? recumbent?
< 1405109965 972504 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I haven't abandoned yet the yucca project. real life got in the way, but it's still being planned.
< 1405109978 841158 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Whoa this is a weird way of doing things but I can sort of see how it works"
< 1405109999 552088 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: is real life out of the way yet?
< 1405110014 690588 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite the opposite.
< 1405110165 500930 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i ordered the holy water
< 1405110173 562666 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as good as terrible, but still delicious
< 1405110412 913950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants water with holes in it anyway
< 1405110419 791363 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :me
< 1405110429 276097 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because those holes are filled with delicious CO2
< 1405110451 120538 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405110519 942462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are not holes.  this is a hole http://what-if.xkcd.com/6/
< 1405110551 234965 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. levitating beer.
< 1405111083 932586 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:ad2d:b0f1:fcf8:73a7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1405111739 253738 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1405111750 30596 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405112269 741629 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :duck.
< 1405112271 778504 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PROFOUND CHICKEN
< 1405112710 319989 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405113381 457277 :Koen_!~Koen@78.245.243.132 QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"
< 1405113576 274316 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm what happened to the brainfuck survey?
< 1405113598 461 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean is there any conclusion? Are there any consequences?
< 1405115475 240435 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40131&oldid=40118 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+17) 10/* Current languages to go back to. */
< 1405116139 328644 :MoALTz_!~no@164.127.47.32 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405116143 260426 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Spacechem Programming Language14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40132 5* 03Jfb 5* (+324) 10Created Spacechem page
< 1405116274 108624 :MoALTz__!~no@164.127.47.32 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1405116650 28354 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1405116950 380115 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1405117488 167727 :newsham_!~chat@72.235.201.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go usa!  we just tracked down and arrested a domestic terror cell of mink liberators!
< 1405117537 103049 :newsham_!~chat@72.235.201.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i for one sleep easier at night knowing that the minkacolypse is not looming just over the horizon
< 1405117552 614274 :newsham_!~chat@72.235.201.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap, wrong channel, sorry #esoteric
< 1405117638 340868 :pikhq!~pikhq@24.178.249.64 QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting
< 1405117644 720702 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405117660 614933 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Purdy.
< 1405117674 226254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh why does the heat wave keep prolonging with each forecast
< 1405117712 879933 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the heat wave's length doubles every 1.5 days
< 1405117720 892207 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moore's law
< 1405117724 663148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1405117758 612822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's up to monday
< 1405117803 792754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what constitutes a heat wave in trondheim
< 1405117831 66057 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the Purely Functional Data Structures book is useful for Erlang
< 1405117834 358940 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-eqobykzoiooysajn JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405117968 47657 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1405118236 379058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the forecast has all these scary 28 numbers
< 1405118303 150367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's been up to 31
< 1405118315 229673 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1405118357 15094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Argh my back
< 1405118637 526582 :vifino!~vifino@37.24.78.77 QUIT :Quit: Me sais Laptop sleepy.
< 1405119826 298229 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405119856 205430 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405121961 750465 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1405122592 990041 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^3
< 1405122598 521785 :^3!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^4
< 1405122604 589209 :^4!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^5
< 1405122608 205540 :^5!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v
< 1405122994 875167 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps ^v 
< 1405123015 263719 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vifino, u wana go u little shit
< 1405123029 414585 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps ^v in da face
< 1405123049 92048 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps the fuq out of vifino
< 1405123051 266147 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION misses
< 1405123053 646437 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f
< 1405123058 200645 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nailed it.
< 1405123089 538224 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1405123108 683824 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives ^v a gummy bear
< 1405123222 78797 :ds84182!ds84182@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-pvxdqdtdsjjrxacg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405123254 696322 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ds84182: wot
< 1405123346 914221 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405123581 332566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of you stop
< 1405123705 491702 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wat
< 1405123706 795320 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1405123709 609324 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :never! D:
< 1405123724 816083 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives ^v a gummy bear
< 1405123752 311242 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pushes hidden "destruct" button on his remote, gummy bear explodes, so does ^v
< 1405123767 306650 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Im done now
< 1405123793 144931 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vifino, y u do dis
< 1405123802 882014 :ds84182!ds84182@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-pvxdqdtdsjjrxacg PRIVMSG #esoteric :vifino, I will kill you back on espernet... just you wait
< 1405123803 62650 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, y u in dis channel
< 1405123807 353481 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit
< 1405123809 562782 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is here too
< 1405123817 663200 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who else is CC/OC and is in here >_>
< 1405123819 378382 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott
> 1405123819 553055 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1405123822 551064 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: #tired and bored and bored, and bored
< 1405123825 488551 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :q_q
< 1405123825 868109 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-34-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's next on the agenda. ar ewe going to roleplay as horny raccoons? play some runescape, perhaps
< 1405123826 769980 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1405123829 53159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said stop
< 1405123833 161679 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1405123833 723610 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1405123835 302931 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :._.
< 1405123841 294714 :ds84182!ds84182@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-pvxdqdtdsjjrxacg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, that sounds fun
< 1405123843 334329 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION and vifino friends
< 1405123848 666161 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta get rekt now :<
< 1405123858 755108 :ds84182!ds84182@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-pvxdqdtdsjjrxacg PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v, > friends
< 1405123863 154009 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-34-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn elliott this seems a bit abstract. maybe if you were less metaphorical with your orders.
< 1405123866 92520 :ds84182!ds84182@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-pvxdqdtdsjjrxacg PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lold.
< 1405123926 149203 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ds84182, <[.<]$$$,$[~@~)~{~[+@~[{$~]~*{$<*<]{$@@{$@.
< 1405123968 682995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :before you send a line, consider whether you are contributing or adding to the signal-noise ratio of the channel
< 1405123973 242959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh.
< 1405123975 669266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except flip one of those words
< 1405123993 584277 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: ++++++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>.[-]++++++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>+.[-]++++++++++[>+++<-]>++.[-]++++++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>+++++++.[-]
< 1405124015 669574 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vifino, >_> diddnt i tell you how to optimize that
< 1405124026 444230 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you dont q_q
< 1405124041 375352 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :swaglang OP
< 1405124059 597196 :ds84182!ds84182@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-pvxdqdtdsjjrxacg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha. Xihcute is where it's at
< 1405124062 108780 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can steal my text to bf db table >_>
< 1405124071 627142 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :its encoder is atleast a bit more efficient
< 1405124084 232316 :ds84182!ds84182@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-pvxdqdtdsjjrxacg PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me, I have to make a new version of Xihcute to do everything better.
< 1405124247 433611 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ds84182: That reminds me to implement some bettur things in my webserver
< 1405124253 770951 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :q_q
< 1405124263 740345 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its fancy, it werks great
< 1405124264 207752 :ds84182!ds84182@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-pvxdqdtdsjjrxacg PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does my esolang remind you of a webserver
< 1405124272 701922 :ds84182!ds84182@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-pvxdqdtdsjjrxacg PRIVMSG #esoteric :#MINDBLOWN
< 1405124285 471098 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ds84182: Everything reminds me of the things i am working on
< 1405124287 398868 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :q_q
< 1405124319 900402 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :#liarahttpd OP
< 1405124506 485315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is too #swag #420
< 1405124545 208138 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
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< 1405129689 308329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott
> 1405129689 328810 NAMES :#esoteric
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< 1405132122 281545 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks it does work
< 1405132135 152105 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks having reverse DNS working is awesome.
< 1405132299 795521 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
< 1405134887 751671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When scanning tokens from standard input should you ever need more than one lookahead?
< 1405135471 724978 :axtens!~axtens@180.216.32.38 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405135482 809648 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
< 1405135825 23807 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any documents more than 65535 pages long, or with any pages taller or wider than eighteen feet?
< 1405135910 551088 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-34-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does multivolume count as one document
< 1405135995 928531 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-34-139.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1405136006 948691 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-34-139.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405136366 329144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think usually not
< 1405136434 470302 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-34-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, then. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marguerite_Young_with_manuscript.jpg only 1200 pages (though the manuscript is proably longer)
< 1405137887 730195 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ligature Machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40133&oldid=40126 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+113) 10
< 1405138984 650017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a computational class, but can you also define I/O classes?
< 1405139276 763944 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem!
< 1405141181 139434 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1405141863 276749 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would output only, be an io class?
< 1405142013 730228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite know really, but, presumably I/O class could compare Ligature Machine and Finite State Transducer and Finite State Machine, for example. As well as such things as programming language that might be Turing-complete but cannot do I/O at all, or only a finite amount of output, or whatever like that
< 1405142084 89454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or can only output a subset of its input, etc
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< 1405152301 559459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>.[-]++++++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>+.[-]++++++++++[>+++<-]>++.[-]++++++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>+++++++.[-]
< 1405152309 313111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1405152314 380114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ++++++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>.[-]++++++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>+.[-]++++++++++[>+++<-]>++.[-]++++++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>+++++++.[-]
< 1405152314 895967 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :no u
< 1405152316 685587 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :no u
< 1405152323 609693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1405152332 280690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ++++++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>.[-]++++++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>+.[-]++++++++++[>+++<-]>++.[-]++++++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>+++++++.[-]
< 1405152332 844853 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :no u
< 1405152333 26692 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :no u
< 1405152350 374188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: psst we already have a !bf command recognizer in the channel hth
< 1405152378 860042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reflectively tries /whois to check if myndzi is idle.  oh wait...
< 1405152395 504040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*x
< 1405152483 970945 :impomatic_!~digital_w@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1405152529 192217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting how english has both reflexive and reflective with different meanings
< 1405152573 48837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp bf8 ++++++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>.[-]++++++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>+.[-]++++++++++[>+++<-]>++.[-]++++++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>+++++++.[-]
< 1405152575 759946 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no u
< 1405152757 750605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fungot failure found, fix forthtwith
< 1405152778 210152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION could not find a synonym for "please" starting with f
< 1405152784 268099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1405152786 114691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-t
< 1405152793 640094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew that looked wrong
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< 1405153191 966805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: we've been using bf-complete before to mean "language that can do all i/o brainfuck can"
< 1405153615 396645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm not sure it's entirely unambigous whether that includes interactivity
< 1405154075 166002 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405154081 226150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fffffungot
< 1405154082 46530 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: although i admit it, you're not limited to for clauses.
< 1405154089 548590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's good to hear.
< 1405154116 767587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for clauses have nearly all the power of monads, it's not that bad
< 1405154185 521370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The power of monad compels you.
< 1405154324 636580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :u r limited 2 4 preposition
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< 1405186923 127121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The following grammar is not LALR(1):  s -> LPAREN exp1 RPAREN. s -> LBRACKET exp1 RBRACKET. s -> LPAREN exp2 RBRACKET. s -> LBRACKET exp2 RPAREN. exp1 -> ID. exp2 -> ID.
< 1405186985 28595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to a book I have, it is LR(1) though. What I want to know is how could I fix Lemon to add ability to not combine states for some lookaheads so that with the correct options it will be able to use this input?
< 1405187140 127986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This example is a bit silly since it is particularly easy to work-around, by having one left-delimiters symbol, one right-delimiters symbol, and move the actions to s to have a if block to check whether or not they match.)
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< 1405207561 821382 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if it was a bad idea to point someone newish to programming looking at Ruby for web purposes towards Sinatra
< 1405207671 144681 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get '/foo', :agent => /Songbird (\d\.\d)[\d\/]*?/ do
< 1405207679 934868 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, not really a fan of its arbitrary renaming of user-agent
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< 1405207989 786806 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help Ruby is giving me a useless 'where is the hygiene' anxiety attack looking at things like request in get blocks
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< 1405208748 779819 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just saw a snippit on Ruby's main page, feel sick
< 1405208771 313245 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a deep breath
< 1405208778 834515 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/tnqVIU4y
< 1405208800 43611 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :say['love']... what is that doing here? Searching for the appropriate substring? Is each word indexed separately? What?
< 1405208830 305268 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want me to tell you about experimental 1970s surgery on cats
< 1405208835 587939 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1405208915 180316 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so, most of the time experimental cats were (are, probably, i'm not an animal person) gotten from pounds and stuff, or more generally just as adults, so there was some worry that their physiology might be "damaged" by normal life experience, making them a bit hard to generalize
< 1405208944 548787 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for this experiment they got some kittens and raised them entirely in a soundproofed chamber. they could still hear each other and talk but they wouldn't be exposed to loud noises or anything
< 1405208981 204167 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea being to avoid hearing damage
< 1405209016 83704 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when they grew up they cut holes in their skulls and inserted electrodes into their cochleas to record synaptic responses from the spiral ganglion
< 1405209073 500361 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one, they got a noise generator, set it to 108 dB (equiv. to standing next to a car horn) and left it on for two hours to see the effects
< 1405209078 764433 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it clumped spontaneous firing rates.
< 1405209134 543283 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you generalize from that though? Maybe they're missing normal cat visual stimulus?
< 1405209176 794078 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was hearing research. vision is someone else's department.
< 1405209192 979854 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf does 'clumped spontaneous firing rates' mean
< 1405209198 71280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about to ask
< 1405209334 189834 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm glad you (alluded to) ask(ing). you see, nerves in the spiral ganglion sometimes fire off spikes in the total absence of stimulation from the hair cells. Each fiber seems to have a different spontaneous firing rate, varying from 0.1 to 100 spike/sec in cats. (different in other animals because lol.) usually the distribution of firing rates is mostly (but not entirely) even across central frequencies of the hair cells, but after the traum
< 1405209340 264307 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously.
< 1405209340 444737 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-22-85.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405209357 335396 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :traum obviously.
< 1405209403 811320 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka Bike I think you got cut off)
< 1405209415 402490 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. i don't care though.
< 1405209588 168979 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You can index into Ruby strings by substring or regular expression. And mutate the slice, of course.
< 1405209638 623951 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you mutate the slice by a similar method itself
< 1405209648 154767 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo"["fo"]["f"] = "g"
< 1405209660 281008 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it become goo?
< 1405209662 460603 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "abababab"["abab"] = "baba" do.
< 1405209680 922320 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, finish story!!
< 1405209693 775729 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but after the trauma the distribution changed
< 1405209713 138571 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that it
< 1405209714 978479 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Doesn't work because foo["fo"] returns a copy of the string.
< 1405209720 112130 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all i wrote, if that's what you mean
< 1405209741 560730 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when you subsequently slice ["f"] and assign to it you mutate the copy, which is immediately discarded.
< 1405209743 642994 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how closely i am expected to summarize twenty thirty year old pages
< 1405209750 144464 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the thing that imperative languages used to find more comfortable than Haskell isn't actually that more comfortable in Ruby
< 1405209750 324841 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to people who don't really have any reason to care
< 1405209789 927329 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just assumed it was going somewhere from the general drive
< 1405209803 5722 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. mostly 108 dB for two hours is more or less torture
< 1405209827 385771 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly I feel more ethical
< 1405209835 726934 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norns aren't conscious as far as we know
< 1405209846 275522 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"neither are cats, so it's cool"
< 1405209852 304580 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Replaces the first occurrence.
< 1405209856 488663 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway ethics hadn't been invented yet, so it's fine
< 1405209903 404546 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works a lot like Python's slice syntax, in theory. Like, you can do a[1:3] = [4,5,6].
< 1405209917 752286 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :String and regex slices return the span of their first match.
< 1405209957 731136 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting to think one of the big problems with mutation is it gives too much choice. Choice whether to return copy, original thing, choice what elements or subelements of a thing are mutable or not
< 1405209959 386048 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotone: that is so boring :(
< 1405209973 410354 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas with immutability everywhere, the API design is forced on you in that respect
< 1405210145 755111 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably Ruby's the wrong language to look at if I want 'constrains API design to make it easier and make people more likely to make idiomatic APIs'
< 1405210244 656484 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby does have the convention of "!" methods versus non-"!" methods.
< 1405210273 320868 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So String#gsub! changes the original string and String#gsub returns a copy.
< 1405210513 5988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think now I got Lemon to be able to parse the grammar G6 if a %split_states command is specified.
< 1405210525 719126 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read the book more carefully and now I did it.
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< 1405211967 115626 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-207-112-93-42.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :help. I just played a few games of Android Netrunner against the Pouti and I want more!
< 1405212345 356060 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pouti?
< 1405212488 182352 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-207-112-93-42.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HACKEGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
< 1405212512 459746 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-207-112-93-42.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: my brother. he was in the chännel a few times. you can get some infos on him in the Infamous PDF.
< 1405212543 946482 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1405213223 92355 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TcpSocket and SslSocket do not name their read and write methods the same thing."
< 1405213240 397348 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing this sort of thing wasn't magically fixed in Ruby 2.0? This blog post was written in  2013
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< 1405214647 636250 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr PRIVMSG #esoteric :website is down?
< 1405214735 220056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1405214737 499447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Gregor:
< 1405214976 609867 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not responding to SSH either.
< 1405214977 928739 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll send it a hard reboot.
< 1405215172 481352 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the admin panel's down.
< 1405215174 310533 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyuk.
< 1405215189 102693 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cloudatcost: Pay zero per month, get what you pay for.
< 1405215211 471752 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :brrr: heheh
< 1405215250 742662 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad luck :\
< 1405215253 951394 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1405215302 771834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh, right, I saw a thing about everyone's cloudatcost vpses going down
< 1405215321 255598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...esolangs.org is on cloudatcost?
< 1405215454 471465 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey I have a cloudatcost account
< 1405215463 871277 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should use it. When CloudAtCost is stable again
< 1405215524 667672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"when"
< 1405215725 483779 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I could just look for another host
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< 1405217001 963957 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could always use the cached versions
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< 1405219789 53371 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you’re using Rails and you want to be secure, you should be protecting against mass assignment. Basically, without declaring attr_accessible or attr_protected, malicious users can set any column value in your database, including foreign keys and secure data."
< 1405219804 847919 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not do the opposite, attr_assignable or something?
< 1405219821 750689 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this sort of thinking a major part of Ruby culture? That's scary
< 1405220191 778729 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that during the battle of stalingrad, ten thousand people died per day, including many civilians of starvation
< 1405220695 320038 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, reminds me of some class vs struct C++ debates
< 1405220812 532047 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically, struct default visibility is public, class default visibility is private)
< 1405221145 521330 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem!
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< 1405222658 562094 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least in C it would seem to make more sense to put the public members first, although I don't know how it works in C++.
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< 1405223282 209137 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
< 1405223445 647181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Scream Tracker file in my computer where one instrument is labeled "* Hit Alt-V Here (in ST3) *". I don't have ST3, but looking at the waveform it is clearly an ASCII text file encoded as signed data. However, looking in a hex editor it contains unsigned sample data; doing a sign conversion I was able to read it.
< 1405223463 753473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, why is it done like this, the text is encoded as signed data even though the file is unsigned?
< 1405223506 447348 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting waveforms in ascii sounds weird
< 1405223532 151510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean one of the instrument data is actually a ASCII text file rather than audio data.
< 1405223582 302568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But from looking at the waveform, it is clear that it is ASCII data. However, somehow it got mixed up due to sign converison; I don't know why?
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< 1405225727 242469 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Ruby's begin like Scheme's begin?
< 1405225803 779842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1405225882 172957 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How difficult might it be to make something in a C compiler so that you can write:   if(__builtin_optimize_fork()) x=4;   and then it causes undefined behaviour if x is nonvolatile and its value is not four, at this point in the program?
< 1405226051 530351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby begin is special.
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< 1405228131 76658 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1405229562 995036 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^3
< 1405229901 144743 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, begin is a try block 
< 1405229918 654472 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :er its like try{}catch{} in other languages
< 1405229941 297885 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why did I see source code that didn't use it like tht?
< 1405229967 388992 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also =begin/=end block comments
< 1405229971 447759 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/sinatra/sinatra/blob/master/lib/sinatra/base.rb#L24
< 1405230065 649343 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not needed there
< 1405230143 773973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzle: what does "begin ... end while ..." mean
< 1405230209 414853 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, thats a postfix while condition :)
< 1405230242 951185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not an answer.
< 1405230263 514038 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :puts("empty the trash") while File.exists?("~/.trash")
< 1405230337 798091 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :(print "."; sleep 1) while true
< 1405230347 894301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: "begin foo end while bar" isn't the same as "foo while bar"
< 1405230375 719205 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :whys that
< 1405230405 452993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you even here anyway
< 1405230407 66597 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :begin/end, foo, they're just expressions 
< 1405230464 189955 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was sent from the future to give you a note but you aren't getting it now 
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< 1405239249 586262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is back.)
< 1405239266 538106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hug
< 1405239274 796533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL...
< 1405239281 417272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.
< 1405239370 460042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what's up.
< 1405239371 525649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the site got back up a while ago
< 1405239376 455616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you just mean hackego
< 1405239411 563888 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: hug: not found
< 1405239456 508317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SnailEgo
< 1405239485 10244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was exceedingly slow.
< 1405239503 715574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is weird, since my SSH connection is working normally.
< 1405239679 69273 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr QUIT :Quit: Cya!
< 1405240125 548624 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1405240953 167732 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1405243769 949142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi
< 1405243777 410122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1405243778 237307 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1405243795 905465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think the wiki link may be broken
< 1405244012 80737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean the IRC announcement thing? 
< 1405244041 583576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes
< 1405244044 359937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1405244055 577128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to be correct.
< 1405244056 570054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* fizzie
< 1405244102 236244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i added your name to the Ligature Machine article
< 1405244109 722775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have possibly restarted it.
< 1405244115 321183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll see if it helped.
< 1405244215 450182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffmpeg being helpful: "[output stream 0:0 @ 0x3ad1120] 100 buffers queued in output stream 0:0, something may be wrong."
< 1405244950 380317 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ligature Machine14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40139&oldid=40138 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10/* Commutative Ligature Machine */ fursur a misspelling
< 1405245346 231942 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Malbrain14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40140&oldid=40114 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+10) 10I'd like to boldly underscore that alain turning never capitalized his name
< 1405245757 207901 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burlesque14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40141&oldid=40136 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+31) 10bold, author, spacing
< 1405245766 689372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it a'works.
< 1405245781 314439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whodathunk
< 1405245942 263113 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Meander14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40142&oldid=40121 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10/* Implementation */ more wikified
< 1405246086 960279 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Meander/Implementation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40143&oldid=40122 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+35) 10author, backlink
< 1405246147 995500 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Goldfish/Implementation14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40144&oldid=40127 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+4) 10backlink
< 1405246321 957794 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there names for foldl (-) and foldl (/)?
< 1405246332 966212 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl (+) is sum and foldl (*) is product
< 1405246340 816028 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's foldl (-) / foldl (/) called?
< 1405246364 859437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather silly
< 1405246389 256733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're basically summing all but the first element and then subtracting from the first
< 1405246396 38460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1405246403 466114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's with foldl1
< 1405246403 943152 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtracting everything from the first
< 1405246428 555699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically foldl (-) x l == x - sum l
< 1405246430 385963 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1405246456 487984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not immensely useful
< 1405246469 281296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and foldl (/) is the same for product
< 1405246523 976432 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nobody has given those a useful name
< 1405246524 277431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it were foldr you would at least be alternating.  but also blowing stack.
< 1405246584 828286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, sum and product are useful because (+) and (*) are monoid operations
< 1405246595 812067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (-) and (/) are not
< 1405246610 548560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fold
< 1405246611 468206 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Monoid m, Foldable t) => t m -> m
< 1405246787 628821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this apartment complex is having a meeting to establish house rules.  despite my hopeless sleeping cycle i am slightly tempted to go just to _ensure_ the paragraph about not letting your animals annoy the neighbors gets passed exactly as it's in the draft.
< 1405246810 552656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see: that bloody dog)
< 1405246914 443663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk
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< 1405248178 619064 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1405249700 197934 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1405249889 184474 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SELECT.14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40145&oldid=40130 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+8) 10/* Sample programs */ I'll just subtract these links from ehird's payment
< 1405250108 773456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: give me and oerjan bitcoins
< 1405250284 664887 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want btc too
< 1405250300 652503 :vifino!~vifino@e180180255.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405250341 263797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't do valuable wiki edits, sorry
< 1405250641 671683 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Spacechem Programming Language14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40146&oldid=40132 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+16) 10To boldly stub
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< 1405250756 981241 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taworvor14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40147&oldid=40135 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+44) 10boldly stub the author
< 1405250916 328633 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RCEM14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40148&oldid=19979 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-8) 10boldly follow policy
< 1405251072 312535 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RCEM14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40149&oldid=40148 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-12) 10unsanctioned sectioning
< 1405251079 630632 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07X plus plus14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40150&oldid=37906 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-7) 10boldly dis-secting
< 1405251142 237914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki is taking bloody long to reload the pages
< 1405251157 515763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because it's running on a $0/month vps
< 1405251178 532539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1405251241 790885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is php fpm having problems?
< 1405251244 653295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting gateway timeout errors
< 1405251262 852822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope the cache and everything is still working :)
< 1405251264 951108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh whatever let it just keep those extraneous blank lines
< 1405251301 487452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um... http://esolangs.org/wiki/X%2B%2B http://esolangs.org/wiki/X_plus_plus
< 1405251327 449286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, I need to do a history merge.
< 1405251384 965282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose me dos'ing the wiki with my customary self-diff check doesn't help.
< 1405251394 662256 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ehird 5*  10deleted "[[02X++10]]": Deleted to make way for move from "[[X plus plus]]"
< 1405251398 374689 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ehird 5*  10moved [[02X plus plus10]] to [[X++]]: shfoop
< 1405251419 684311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs at the slowness
< 1405251440 598271 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep
< 1405251468 37840 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ehird 5*  10moved [[02Talk:X plus plus10]] to [[Talk:X++]]: shfoop
< 1405251468 505102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, did that move fail?
< 1405251480 593727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1405251482 594333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just really, really slow
< 1405251495 208459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my diffs loaded, anyway
< 1405251509 749273 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 restore10 02 5* 03Ehird 5*  10restored "[[02X++10]]": 3 revisions restored: bop
< 1405251557 553568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool messed up history now
< 1405251742 343592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek that it is
< 1405251770 536186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably I could have just moved X++ to X++/crap or something
< 1405251774 899319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to figure out how to do that move if you want :)
< 1405251855 917448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you saying _both_ pages existed and neither was a redirect? :(
< 1405251881 679184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty sure my edit did not do all this http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=X%2B%2B&diff=40150&oldid=38198
< 1405251886 976368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes. hence the um
< 1405251901 517852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the weird diffs result from mediawiki having a linear view of history.
< 1405251910 647867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just see the diff to the previous chronological edit
< 1405252015 599718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the history can be split again if you really care
< 1405252021 244432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it sort of seems a fitting punishment for an article this bad
< 1405252026 48184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can of course diff the right two revisions manually
< 1405252029 720034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, the article isn't bad
< 1405252033 604885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the state of having two of them was.
< 1405252328 836769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like hard to tell what _happened_ with the histories merged, you know.
< 1405252426 845867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :history splits look like a pain thouuuugh
< 1405252437 267687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just re-delete the revisions from the old article.
< 1405252460 216128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been up for about 24 hours, I can't deal with more than one finnicky mediawiki thing
< 1405252471 358274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i have to find which ones that _are_ before doing it.  sheesh.
< 1405252526 11549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although can i assume the messages above mean the old article only had three revisions?
< 1405252570 135289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nod
< 1405252647 671250 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 revision10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10Oerjan changed visibility of revisions on page [[02X++10]]: Leftover revisions from botched history merge
< 1405252674 133946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the history merged wasn't botched!
< 1405252678 903727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just didn't like it :P
< 1405252684 370127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1405252693 153085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, change visibility is wrong
< 1405252702 64501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's used for hiding things like offensive edits and personal information
< 1405252714 462041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's wikipedia's "oversight" role)
< 1405252716 127944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so what _do_ i do.
< 1405252723 982677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay okay I'll do it
< 1405252727 152079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you owe me some bitcoins, okay?
< 1405252746 361167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have the ones quintopia owes me
< 1405252748 48175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for future reference you go into delete
< 1405252751 238412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can go per-revision
< 1405252759 320136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or uh
< 1405252761 496943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck how does it work
< 1405252769 711688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay you might have to delete the whole page and then restore the ones you want (sigh)
< 1405252799 687616 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 revision10 02 5* 03Ehird 5*  10Ehird changed visibility of revisions on page [[02X++10]]: brrrrrrk
< 1405252829 534427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun to do this when nothing loads
< 1405252862 417045 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ehird 5*  10deleted "[[02X++10]]": tptptptptptpptpttpppppppppppp
< 1405252968 601398 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 restore10 02 5* 03Ehird 5*  10restored "[[02X++10]]": 18 revisions restored: glorp top blop
< 1405253081 213072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is going to be a great edit I'm going to make sometime within the next 18 hours
< 1405253113 335616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what
< 1405253118 322664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1405253128 352149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well now it's not loading at all
< 1405253150 943792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I broke it. Sorry.
< 1405253154 422081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was sort of going to do a little more cleanup afterward
< 1405253169 799654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, food ->
< 1405253300 412486 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07X++14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40155&oldid=40151 5* 03Ehird 5* (-22) 10bubbles idly. Let's eat the silk road
< 1405253465 989406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun thing, my own edit to X++ now longer shows in recent changes
< 1405253470 28287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no
< 1405253719 781590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I delete it by accident?
< 1405253735 268935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it just isn't listed
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< 1405264440 497352 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1405265324 336049 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Twocode/Doublecode14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40156 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+10953) 10Created page with "'''Doublecode''' is a twocode interpreter by [[User:GermanyBoy]] in Sve.  == Usage ==  Interpreter reads lines from the standard input until a line with text "EOF" is encounte..."
< 1405265357 826898 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Twocode/Doublecode14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40157&oldid=40156 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+4) 10link
< 1405265399 180878 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn Strings are still messy :(
< 1405265424 356196 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Twocode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40158&oldid=40071 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-8) 10/* (summary/infobox) */ doublecode
< 1405265425 810094 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea was to have Strings just be lists of integers
< 1405265430 328001 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. a list of chars
< 1405265450 336692 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I don't know whether to print {65 66} or AB
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< 1405267751 327167 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan There's a policy?
< 1405267751 507997 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1405267826 221307 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burlesque14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40159&oldid=40141 5* 0392.105.82.69 5* (-1) 10freezed -> frozen
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< 1405267974 920934 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taworvor14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40160&oldid=40147 5* 03Feuermonster 5* (+197) 10
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< 1405270333 553286 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Erlang has that exact problem.
< 1405271496 891812 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CloudAtCost is losing the locks of their fiber channel locking technology, according to them.
< 1405271510 425739 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds Dilbertesque, like misplacing the token of a token ring
< 1405271522 420055 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:39b2:67f1:2023:49b0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405271539 911600 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CloudAtCost has been experiencing extended storage outages due to the underlying Fiber channel Locking technology. Since our environment has grown so large we are constantly getting lost locks which is a manual process for us to track down and fix where the process of fixing one virtual server can take up to 15-20 minutes."
< 1405271551 214499 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I flag Lists as String now
< 1405271591 108453 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, you can add a list to a list flagged as a string
< 1405271603 858071 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not something anybody should do, but it can be done
< 1405271829 799110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the following COBOL program generates 570 error messages:   PROGRAM-ID. ERRMSG.   Is this some kind of test function in the compiler?
< 1405271834 290678 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405272322 307647 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been pinged
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< 1405275672 581657 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there isn't even an identification division?
< 1405275696 161859 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you change it from ERRMSG to something else?
< 1405275820 955099 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: lemme send you something I wrote.
< 1405275863 626564 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://pastebin.ca/2820574
< 1405275874 526256 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a joke one, of course.
< 1405275954 396765 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some kind of animal that's split in parts?
< 1405275976 555029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know; I only read elsewhere that that is the case. I don't know what happen in other cases, but apparently that one line is the entire program.
< 1405275988 823490 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: have you read the entire thing?
< 1405276041 624933 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but can't really visualize it. Insertion behavior sounds like normal eating, discharge behavior sounds like pooping
< 1405276057 309166 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's three animals
< 1405276059 419994 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It describes humans.
< 1405276088 855803 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :two humans and a blowup doll
< 1405276090 424735 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, whatever
< 1405276100 976932 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I conceptualized -C as some sort of detatchable rear end
< 1405276153 305390 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think humans have those, but pretty sure I'm just misvisualizing the whole thing
< 1405276181 132951 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each of the three objects is a separate human.
< 1405276209 362342 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1405276230 744071 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ‘by an opaque "skin"’ – i’d suggest ‘by an opaque surface’
< 1405276239 548112 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, two humans and a kid
< 1405276242 192046 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, gross, either way
< 1405276245 332198 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! -A and -B are babies, -C is breastfeeding -A?
< 1405276256 487840 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-C is the baby and -A is breastfeeding -C.
< 1405276258 251634 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Babies are 170 centimeters in length?
< 1405276260 493273 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. kid. better
< 1405276273 499047 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: c is 50 cm it says
< 1405276295 852101 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the word its confused me
< 1405276342 811910 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to continue writing.
< 1405276428 895483 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very nice so far.
< 1405276436 399612 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks.
< 1405277164 267951 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCP-1960-J is pretty excellent
< 1405277245 440050 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen the phrase "XK-class end-of-the-world scenario" a few times.
< 1405277257 918362 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there non-XK-class end-of-the-world scenarios or XK-class non-end-of-the-world scenarios?
< 1405277294 454275 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. there's CK and stuff.
< 1405277312 47731 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "SK-class dominance shift" i think it is, where another species becomes dominant over humans
< 1405277392 822992 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, here's a sort of list on 1985
< 1405277395 628369 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«The list of distinct scenarios (without duplicates, and following the Jackson K-Class Classification System) includes ███ XK-class Type Alpha (scorched earth) end of the world scenarios, ███ XK-class Type Omega (religious) end of the world scenarios, ███ AK-class "madness" end of the world scenarios, ██ EK-class "consciousness-loss" end of the world scenarios, ███ NK-class "grey goo" end of the world scenarios, 
< 1405277404 370522 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«The list of distinct scenarios (without duplicates, and following the Jackson K-Class Classification System) includes ███ XK-class Type Alpha (scorched earth) end of the world scenarios, ███ XK-class Type Omega (religious) end of the world scenarios, ███ AK-class "madness" end of the world scenarios, ██ EK-class "consciousness-loss" end of the world scenarios, ███ NK-class "grey goo" end of the world ...
< 1405277410 386089 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... scenarios, ███ CK-class restructuring scenarios, ███ RK-class "out-competition" restructuring scenarios, ███ SK-class dominance shift scenarios, ███ IK-class collapse of global civilization scenarios, [DATA EXPUNGED]»
< 1405277414 383042 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1405277436 365561 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have jus tlinked it?
< 1405277452 52977 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the middle of the page.
< 1405277473 522094 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also remember zk reality failure
< 1405277603 441258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't it be better to put in the alphabetical orders?
< 1405277656 423771 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I buy breath strips?
< 1405277666 761958 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're so addictive
< 1405277683 981245 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure I'm going to burn my tongue and stomach off
< 1405277695 813725 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than cigarettes.
< 1405277775 108154 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And getting 1 hour of sleep each night is better than dying in a car crash.
< 1405278267 624063 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just ate 24 breath strips
< 1405278481 545411 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/2820590 – okay, this is as long as it's going to get.
< 1405278511 441541 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might actually want to remove the part about food.
< 1405278535 709449 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely want that last sentence to stay at the end.
< 1405278987 256351 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a program that a commutative ligature-counter machine is capable of but that either one individually cannot?
< 1405279064 741886 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I searched Google for 'ligature counter machine'. The top result is an article titled "Accidental Ligature Strangulation by an Ironing Machine".
< 1405279076 817794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it is only in the esolang wiki
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< 1405280836 309215 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :breath strips are gross
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< 1405282027 455808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-
< 1405282027 656403 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman asked 3h 57m 56s ago: There's a policy?
< 1405282042 749793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Policy
< 1405282042 930353 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1405282042 930513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like a tsume shogi game?
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< 1405283137 612183 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll be removing that comma then .
< 1405283817 83429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what comma
< 1405283964 190999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: also i don't know if you got the part of the discussion where i mentioned my last edit to X++ didn't show up in recent changes after that merging mess.
< 1405284058 720391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's still in the page history though)
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< 1405284249 956447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: all these new language/interpreter pages make it almost look like we should enable main space subpages.
< 1405284269 165331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm _now_ elliott is idle.
< 1405284480 520016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :taworvor, the language with only ugly types
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< 1405286401 806383 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think it will be down to penalty shots?
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< 1405286996 548940 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out probably no
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< 1405288181 424501 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There’s public, private, and protected to enforce access, instead of Python’s _voluntary_ underscore __convention__."
< 1405288184 220362 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha "enforce"
< 1405288187 22390 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're so funny Ruby
< 1405288204 34213 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1405288239 351414 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1405288262 717643 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1405288263 560964 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, ruby deliberately has multiple ways to break all kinds of encapsulation and scope rules
< 1405288298 940774 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to be deliberate about it in Ruby... but same with Python, kind of hard not to notice the convention
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< 1405289404 855867 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm...
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< 1405289430 840226 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do there exist any languages which require turing-completeness to accept? can we even formalize this notion?
< 1405289457 290919 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not counting the obvious encodings of TMs
< 1405289528 205063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nearly all proofs that languages require turing-completeness to accept go via encoding something eventually leading back to TMs.
< 1405289623 874730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by "nearly all" i mean "there's probably some exception but i cannot recall it")
< 1405289659 929927 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, the C pre-processor is turing-complete, so the language of valid (C source/compiled C source) pairs should be such a language, yes
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< 1405290293 543332 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C preprocessor isn't TC unless iterated.
< 1405290375 791014 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Academic languages are implementing type systems that require a SAT-solver. A "correct" implementation requires TC to accept, but real implementations just give up.
< 1405290728 910649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even ghc seems to be getting that
< 1405291459 700047 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, isn't that just languages that can be recognized by an unrestricted grammar but not by a context-sensitive grammar?
< 1405291523 700613 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bear in mind that I don't quite know what I'm talking about)
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< 1405292019 966595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems a bit imprecise.  there are unrestricted grammars giving languages much weaker than TC.
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< 1405292067 471955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the whole complexity hierarchy above SPACE(O(n)) lies outside context-sensitive.
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< 1405292305 753060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. primitive recursive functions give an intermediate class.
< 1405292398 632768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we recently discussed how system F gives second-level logic provable termination, which is between _that_ and TC again.
< 1405292461 448275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :chomsky's grammar categorization is very coarse indeed by modern standards.
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< 1405293413 190634 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves...
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< 1405295347 836258 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a problem with Ruby compared to Python may not be "There's more than one way to do it" as "There's more than one way to do it, very similar but with slight but significant differences that are hard to remember"
< 1405295358 587946 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if Ruby 2.0 went any way towards fixing that
< 1405295615 934530 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby lets you be extremely ad-hoc
< 1405295620 302793 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is no type system to protect you
< 1405295637 279172 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a recipe for lots of subtle, horrid bugs
< 1405295848 905436 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to like it right now. Not really sure why
< 1405295856 98955 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's perl for you
< 1405297382 205547 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck masterrace
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< 1405298008 3317 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Ruby generally considered to be as good at runtime metaprogramming as Lisp is at statictime metaprogramming? (Yes I know I made statictime up, but compiletime is a silly word)
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< 1405301538 228180 :elliott!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com NICK :Guest66663
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< 1405302275 219318 :Guest66663!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: don't make jokes like that, thanks
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< 1405302309 879425 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wat
< 1405302339 965013 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'master race', probably. ethnic cleansing and all that
< 1405302346 49474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:23:02: <^v> brainfuck masterrace
< 1405302357 161539 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_>
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< 1405304839 149363 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat a taco
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< 1405306304 14367 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
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< 1405312544 212418 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'm not in love with content_type in this example: https://github.com/sinatra/sinatra/blob/master/examples/stream.ru
< 1405312581 583882 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That :txt obviouly does not contain text/plain, implying that content_type itself must be magically mapping :txt to text/plain
< 1405312860 966866 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Rack apparently has a MIME registry, and using symbols looks it up as an extension. Still a bit odd
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< 1405314032 312027 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This chart is garbage
< 1405314036 448002 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Framework: ?"
< 1405314109 430057 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dynamic typing is listed as a definite win.
< 1405314130 973457 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Static typing is also listed as a definite win.
< 1405314155 413718 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's not what these colors actually mean, hmm
< 1405314245 393663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps if you have both kinds then it is useful?
< 1405314531 798552 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1405314639 532602 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 11111111111111111111111111111 - (length [])
< 1405314640 875807 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4975542244881494471
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< 1405314720 806258 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep
< 1405316218 531830 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t length
< 1405316219 405422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] -> Int
< 1405316223 397805 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be why
< 1405316241 473829 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 11111111111111111111111111111 - (genericLength [])
< 1405316242 958808 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11111111111111111111111111111
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< 1405317460 871233 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^3
< 1405317585 176364 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know anyone who is Traditional Chinese? I hope I can ask a question to them, because someone else who is not Chinese told me something but told me to forward it to someone who is actually Traditional Chinese.
< 1405317611 256768 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wht the hell does that mean
< 1405317624 97183 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean someone who can read and write traditional chinese?
< 1405317636 611532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1405317745 167324 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like, an ethnicity or something, just so you know
< 1405317773 458706 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that traditional Chinese is the writing
< 1405317935 295034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if cards and rules for Magic: The Gathering or a similar game were written in a programming language instead of in english, how would you design that programming language
< 1405318063 974568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: In most cases I don't like natural language programming, but in this case I would use a natural language programming which closely resembles the text on Magic: The Gathering cards as closely as possible, with [] for comments that print without the brackets, <> for program code that doesn't print, {} for symbols, and perhaps [- ... -] and [+ ... +] and so on for unnatural computer codes which do not print.
< 1405318108 5287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The English text would then convert into the kind of codes that go inside of [+ ... +] and I haven't quite thought of that yet, but it would have to involve ability, trigger, event, etc.
< 1405318128 316134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: he means someone chinese with conservative views.
< 1405318129 203366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the ability to have words that can change. Maybe some kind of LISP-like stuff?
< 1405318137 255532 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: honk
< 1405318152 540753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, I mean the kind of writing by "traditional".
< 1405318180 371701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, i'm mostly wondering what the unnatural computer codes would be like
< 1405318194 595749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :since most anything can modify most anything else
< 1405318232 20881 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, I was trying to think of that too. And yes I thought of a kind of LISP-like
< 1405318275 770895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would be typed rather than typeless, though, to tell the type of what is used in each case, such as a keyword ability, what kind of parameter it takes, and then the code to override something, etc
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< 1405318437 262798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, and when typing in the printable words, you might have to do such thing as "Destroy all non-white Human=s." so you need the equal sign for plural of creature types; when print out it will calculate the correct plural form and when converting to computer form it ignores that part so you know it means the "Human" subtype, because it is capitalized.
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< 1405318525 197427 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(However, you would also be allowed to type "[Destroy all non-white Humans] [+ ... +]." and put the computer code in place of the "...")
< 1405318571 655441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm less concerned with how it would be printed and more with how the language itself would work
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< 1405318685 324841 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I don't know, but I do have a few ideas. In cases where it query the text and abilities and so on of other objects, it could be something like the SQL queries in order to find something, but not quite SQL since the data is organized differently. Also it is a LISP-like, therefore you can read the code as lists of lists just as well, but having types rather than typeless.
< 1405318753 27763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then it can override meanings as well as override text, for example to override the meaning of the Flying ability rather than the text, to have such values with different types, and literals with types, so you can tell if it is a color, keyword ability, number, etc.
< 1405318762 699379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this make any sense to you now?
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< 1405318991 267003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :some
< 1405319060 827621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have other ideas too, perhaps?
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< 1405319469 647010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may then need the list of abilities, then it specifies each one that it is activated or whatever, and then that one takes as parameter the cost and action. But then there would need to be the things to indicate mana abilities, abilities which are played by others than the card's controller, etc.
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< 1405339160 105118 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
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< 1405346633 214531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :girl genius, now with a rail gun
< 1405346675 27344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's not the usual kind.
< 1405346835 948158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raël gun, shoots ufos
< 1405346849 433063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that kind either.
< 1405347280 204130 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks rather like not a rail gun in the usual sense.
< 1405347356 649665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've got to admit it fits the name, though.
< 1405347365 286964 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like an impossible variety of gauss gun.
< 1405347380 18719 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it fits, just not in the usual sense.
< 1405347637 963978 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a machine that makes actual rails? very quickly? "have instant I-beam!"
< 1405347649 876873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ding ding ding!
< 1405347660 700230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia wins
< 1405347665 322989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming he didn't cheat
< 1405347770 487186 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looked to me like it accelerated the existing rail, but it’s hard to tell; certainly Agatha could build something that does create the rail.
< 1405347797 496343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you'd know if you'd followed the story
< 1405347889 459811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically she only improved the railway monk's invention
< 1405348146 403960 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :… I failed to connect that comment to this.
< 1405348597 541379 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAIL!
< 1405348926 890995 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well i did look at it, but I don't follow the comic so I had to ask to be sure I understood what I was seeing.
< 1405348967 568108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
< 1405349024 736027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Technically I may not be late even if I planned to go earlier
< 1405349522 927194 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky him. i'm definitely actually late.
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< 1405365732 543494 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\
< 1405366579 668191 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1405366620 344235 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :inorite
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< 1405371407 683366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How difficult would it be to make a device which tunes and decrypts forty digital channels at once and converts them to forty analog channels on one cable?
< 1405371458 341468 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the decryption you're doing, i would thnk
< 1405371497 295508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a hardware capacity question, count me out
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< 1405371985 749290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Gregor: they are killing our bots!
< 1405372024 229030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those idelities are not reassuring
< 1405372031 659925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The decryption is whatever it is according to the service provider.
< 1405372144 637387 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1405372277 88020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I wanted to do is that it can be used with all simple analog devices, without requiring the use of the service provider's OSD and user interface, even though the signal is digital.
< 1405372285 201618 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That depends on what the other requirements are.
< 1405372345 547937 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean could you just take 40 devices that each convert one channel and then hook them all up to whatever analog switch/muliplexer/whatever would merge them?
< 1405372388 341988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The lack of answer to SSH is not reassuring either.
< 1405372465 752432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We apologize for the delay in getting back to everyone on their support tickets in a timely manor but we expect everything to be back and better than ever early this week."
< 1405372472 471838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, at least the manor is timely.
< 1405372499 56316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we will always have fungot.
< 1405372499 539003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the manor born, and at the right time
< 1405372499 724205 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ( not once, probably :)). i can't remember if sicp does, maybe the new one did not have the memory for spelling. so, instructions would be
< 1405372506 496948 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back and ever than better
< 1405372518 145314 :nooodl!~nooodl@1.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1405372587 855181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: I know it would work, but that would probably be too expensive and inefficient.
< 1405372590 73950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm that means there's point checking the wiki either
< 1405372615 143914 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1405372625 231559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my brain went, if hackego is down i should check the wiki manually to see if something's happening)
< 1405372628 112670 :nooodl!~nooodl@1.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405372638 843101 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess start with that as a theoretic design and see what could be simplified from there?
< 1405372652 921355 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like what parts would be redundant and all that.
< 1405372723 542433 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly I'm guessing you'd want to look at the capacity for each part, what needs to synchonise with what, and how much latencey it causes.
< 1405372738 204448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*\no
< 1405372744 607190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :**+no
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< 1405373759 691184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have managed to use ImageMagick to cause each sequence of eight bytes in a file to be duplicated.
< 1405373802 62111 :nooodl!~nooodl@1.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405373916 108667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :convert -size 8x256 -depth 8 gray:input.chr +clone +append gray:output.chr    It can be used to convert PC font data into the Famicom format, even though this is completely different than what any of the options I have just specified are meaning!
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< 1405376155 568112 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: hi!
< 1405376892 208480 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: quinthellopia!
< 1405377028 382779 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: did you hear about zzo38's abuse of imagemagick for font conversion for nintendos?
< 1405377191 187145 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1405377364 478631 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you can do other similar stuff with ImageMagick as well, such as to reverse the order of bits in each byte, or two swap pairs of consecutive bytes.
< 1405377378 981622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have even once used it to process audio data.
< 1405377587 451986 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would have thought
< 1405377623 317102 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it doesn't have any function to read/write audio formats, so you can only deal with raw headerless audio.
< 1405377753 877855 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: let me suffer the shock of such a revelation for a while, and then I'll get back to you.
< 1405377781 166929 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. enough suffering.
< 1405377801 721981 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not use ffmpeg zzo38?
< 1405377806 598876 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you are a monster! you are transgressing the laws of nature! also, which nintendos? like, only the original NES?
< 1405377822 393197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah finally sane temperatures again
< 1405377828 374891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sanetemp 30
< 1405377837 806125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um right
< 1405377843 622480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sanetemp 30
< 1405377845 931361 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-1.1
< 1405377847 614342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yes only the original NES and Famicom
< 1405377884 962702 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405377885 630776 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA
< 1405377886 127289 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 142220Z 24005KT CAVOK 19/16 Q1005 RMK WIND 670FT VRB05KT
< 1405377887 820553 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And these are not transgressing any laws of nature or otherwise, and I am not a monster, I only play one not on TV.
< 1405377888 661316 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL
< 1405377889 150710 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 142200Z 27007KT 30SM FEW100 SCT160 BKN240 23/12 A2983 RMK AC2AC1CI4 SLP101 DENSITY ALT 1100FT
< 1405377893 123859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYVR
< 1405377893 587698 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYVR 142200Z 20011G17KT 20SM FEW170 25/18 A3005 RMK AC1 HZ SLP177 DENSITY ALT 1000FT
< 1405377945 722721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you aberration hater you
< 1405377951 998714 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`commands
< 1405377958 338875 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget how to hackego
< 1405377971 851785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: step 1: have it be here
< 1405377973 145629 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there is no hackego
< 1405377977 653764 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sads
< 1405377984 898168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, that is the good first step.
< 1405377996 605223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 2: `help
< 1405378002 327235 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with it here i forget
< 1405378019 63128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends what program you want to run on it!
< 1405378024 1130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 3: `run rm -rf . # It's traditional
< 1405378029 382640 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is afraid he has to resort to punitive mapoling in the generic direction of Gregor
< 1405378099 772035 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of the aberrations I only hate the chromatic one.
< 1405378109 162732 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: please remember zzo38's joke above so it can go in the quote list when hackego returns
< 1405378144 997979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is kjigube (sp?) chromatic
< 1405378151 207542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No.
< 1405378164 70744 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that isn't what "chromatic aberration" means anyways, clearly.
< 1405378167 473662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, you're safe from boily then
< 1405378210 494152 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not a lens.
< 1405378233 694772 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see you from here, therefore you are transparent, therefore you are a lens :D
< 1405378240 498719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a traversal then
< 1405378259 290809 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'll try to remember it, after I remember to check for already there updates to the wisdom.
< 1405378288 966319 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would push updates to the wisdom if i felt confident enough to edit it
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< 1405378336 991270 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAAAAAAAAURGH!
< 1405378350 22101 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is wisdomblocked by a nefarious five-oh-three!
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< 1405378378 669394 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no problem. I always accept incoming modifications! (I may be a little bit anal afterwards concerning formatting, tho)
< 1405378379 428904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the whole site containing hackego, the repository, and the esolang wiki is down.
< 1405378415 317803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see the quiz file I recently made (and not finished yet) on Internet Quiz Engine? Can you answer the questions or to add more questions or choices for existing questions (no more than 26 each, please)?
< 1405378416 890708 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooooooooooon! enfer et damnation! maudit sois-tu, odieux Gregor!
< 1405378440 398937 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: could you provide a link to, so I may try?
< 1405378441 107401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's not his fault, except possibly for being a cheapskate while choosing vps
< 1405378451 190200 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right. that vps thing.
< 1405378480 842172 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't he on prgmr
< 1405378503 881539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he's on cloudatcos
< 1405378504 528389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1405378516 689944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: OK  gopher://zzo38computer.org/1quiz.run*quiz01.  is the link (including the period).
< 1405378527 171523 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1405378541 58799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like the wiki could use being on a higher-priority server...
< 1405378569 334762 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay you buy it and i'll help migrate
< 1405378592 681758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor elliott, there is no escape
< 1405378684 324468 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. missing overbite on this machine. let's go install it...
< 1405378757 485337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are on Windows you can also try using Visgopher, or on any system it isn't so difficult to write a gopher client.
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< 1405378835 201683 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the penguin on all my machines.
< 1405378840 804695 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, I got 5!)
< 1405378903 21660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which ones did you miss?
< 1405378943 712825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Select "download the source codes of this quiz" if you want to see which ones you missed.)
< 1405379052 169082 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed the first, the second, the third, the fifth, the seventh, the tenth, and the eleventh.
< 1405379075 987698 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know where I learned the answer to the fourth one, but I knew it.
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< 1405379099 819286 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also knew the sixth, because long live geopolitics!)
< 1405379125 250676 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night boily!
< 1405379131 973832 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye everyone else
< 1405379167 438689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you previously think the answers are?
< 1405379184 693594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you perhaps suggestion additional question/choices?
< 1405379218 839346 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: bontopia nuit!
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< 1405379248 621418 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes. maybe. perhaps.
< 1405379473 811805 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like these kind of questions?
< 1405379492 194609 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup! It remotivates me to learn even more obscure stuff!
< 1405379514 154724 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if one aspires to become a writer, or a sadist GM, one has to learn things!)
< 1405379533 34049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK, yes that is a good idea to learn such thing too
< 1405379623 414280 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What were your guesses for the first, second, third, fifth, seventh, tenth, and eleventh questions? Do you know much about Z-machine?
< 1405379651 458943 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :random, with some bias towards the last choices per question. not at all.
< 1405379674 258616 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear I haven't spent enough time to delve into the low-level machines and other stuff enough.
< 1405379689 499856 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by the way, can you make a random regular expression?)
< 1405379713 99429 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, in general?
< 1405379716 277399 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of what? What are you trying to make?
< 1405379806 798362 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of a multiple-choice regular expression, it returns one of the possible matches at random.
< 1405379834 972062 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why not?
< 1405379842 103220 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, probably it is possible to make a program to do such things
< 1405380065 214789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a maximal entropy probability distribution for a finite automaton, may be relevant?
< 1405380186 61846 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't you enumerate all the strings matched by the regular expression, even?
< 1405380219 246025 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language it generates, yes.
< 1405380314 842475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i think that applies to infinite strings
< 1405380320 492953 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to food.
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< 1405385885 367371 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it at all likely that any given Ruby DSL will behave differently from others in a variety of subtle ways even if they're all used similarly?
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< 1405386197 22434 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i would advise that you don't try to write ruby like you would haskell"
< 1405386200 81786 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm sad now
< 1405386483 114057 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now they're arguing about whether Ruby has functions
< 1405386523 563097 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's "they"? the gods of pegāna?
< 1405386532 874423 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ruby
< 1405386574 930403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real ruby channel is #ruby-lang anyway
< 1405386590 602612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why are you quoting #ruby in here? what did we do to you?
< 1405386660 775323 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both #ruby and #ruby-lang are apparently popular. The former more so, but the latter has a lot of people too
< 1405386692 23189 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just another example of Ruby philosophy?
< 1405386718 944452 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered reading dennett? hegel? malebranche
< 1405386771 605819 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do want to read Dennett at some poiint
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< 1405392089 538489 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/YDyb2w13
< 1405392103 758635 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This code working as I expected seems to be calming me down, oddly enough
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< 1405393420 178175 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i get advice on the "language" i made to store lcd patters for my arduino uno's lcd4884 (84x48) shield on a sdcard attached to my arduino micro (te two arduinos are connected by serial)?
< 1405393440 899824 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98841263/lcd4884_hello_world.txt
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< 1405394589 123395 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :SCat|Away
< 1405394610 138762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have anyone else of you to try my quiz yet?
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< 1405396571 145161 :Guest12658!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike
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< 1405400081 884568 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quiz?
< 1405400146 67009 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks at Ruby having a StopIteration
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< 1405402040 418662 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yes, did you see it yet?
< 1405402065 918794 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously not
< 1405402074 488884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gopher://zzo38computer.org/1quiz.run*quiz01.
< 1405402082 967721 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that the final period is also a part of the selector string.
< 1405402111 134192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also note that the 1 after the third slash is not a part of the selector string.
< 1405402115 192029 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first problem is, how to open a gopher link
< 1405402144 204466 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox dropped gopher support a while ago
< 1405402201 386716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can try Visgopher if you are using Windows; you could also just try writing your own gopher client, or following it manually, neither of which is particularly difficult.
< 1405402229 503680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or install an extension in Firefox for gopher (which is better than the one they dropped a while ago anyways)
< 1405402598 745894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have not tested Visgopher on Wine, so I don't know if it works or not.)
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< 1405405357 711424 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stumbles upon an obsolete Rack tutorial :(
< 1405405443 860183 :SCat|Away!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :SchrodingersCat
< 1405405478 679178 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PART :#esoteric
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< 1405405838 988274 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rack::Cascade makes me think of Snapesque <> except there's no way to return a real 404
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< 1405427602 340335 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the "language" I made for communicting lcd information between arduinos. Whoever can make sense of this gets extra points. (Hint: The second file is the code for "Hello, World!")
< 1405427606 367085 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98841263/lcd4884_command_list_new.txt https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98841263/lcd4884_hello_world_new.txt
< 1405427724 97856 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :please advise
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< 1405430017 531256 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys I made a language and I want some feedback on it :P
< 1405430019 319483 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/TieSoul/Befunk
< 1405430040 101371 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoilers: It's very similar to Befunge
< 1405430242 389130 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: it's almost an encoding of Befunge-98 into images?
< 1405430250 409825 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a few changes to allow for the fact that it's now non-textual?
< 1405430254 682329 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost
< 1405430256 852484 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1405430258 442578 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically
< 1405430283 380623 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, my opinion is that it's basically an input encoding
< 1405430291 873408 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried converting Mycology to an image and running that on it?
< 1405430305 937630 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the usual test for Funge-alikes
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< 1405430313 314588 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost impossible to convert Befunge to Befunk
< 1405430327 548265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just about to say it's probably best that fungot isn't here to hear about this travesty
< 1405430327 965990 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just added a few items already was quite obvious that he doesn't have the best of both worlds.
< 1405430349 683425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, fungot entered just as i'd finished the line)
< 1405430349 974431 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: being reminds me of the running man. reinstalling all your stuff is annoying
< 1405430419 569636 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: can you convert into befunk?
< 1405430419 755076 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ( he was actually worried it would " not last". 1)
< 1405430426 164023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, you can't make a working fungot without fingerprints.
< 1405430426 683522 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ( define y ' () evaluates to a non-empty list which it is meaningful to modify the fingerprint and add a clause for abstractions, applications, etc
< 1405430463 787451 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how common is it for fungot to mention a word from its trigger?
< 1405430464 12799 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ye gads...
< 1405430518 729758 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it only does it at random
< 1405430524 630987 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no specific trigger lookup
< 1405430530 254660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you could computed the expected value for it, however.
< 1405430544 130691 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I was more wondering how often it happens accidentally
< 1405430567 160838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having "a" in both is probably reasonably common.
< 1405430568 216163 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't be too hard to grep thel ogs for it
< 1405430570 680572 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the logs
< 1405430586 623566 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is "the" less common on IRC than in English generally? it wouldn't surprise me if it were
< 1405430590 352789 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1405430641 929995 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: do you count only English irc, or also other languages?
< 1405430643 885022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did some counting once.
< 1405430651 804743 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhoo, modulo some difficulties (figuring out which part is code and which part is data read via g/p), I don't see why it would be impossible to convert (a subset of) Funge-98 programs to Befunk.
< 1405430661 119562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you count all-textspeak-and-emoticons irc?
< 1405430666 444757 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I guess I count only Freenode, which is not 100% English, but is very-high-percentage English
< 1405430691 328033 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know 
< 1405430696 830762 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: characters that are used in both stringmode and normal mode?
< 1405430705 119338 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I wonder if Mycology does that at all
< 1405430709 494547 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it does at least with spaces
< 1405430740 429879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Those would be problematic, as would be characters that are both executed and read via g.
< 1405430768 278046 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sort of ambiguity was intentional in catseye's specs, I think
< 1405430774 436300 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he wanted to make Befunge as hard to compile as possible
< 1405430779 96581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except when they've read with g only to be written with p and executed again, in which case the exact value does not matter.)
< 1405430786 14597 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or she, I guess
< 1405430815 885772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: i'm pretty sure cpressey is he hth
< 1405430818 144428 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this read/execute issue comes up in a lot of languages
< 1405430830 644494 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the main difference between Underload and Underlambda, for instance
< 1405430839 836567 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that Underlambda is likely to ever be fully specified at this rate
< 1405430852 664609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've misplaced my script of dumping out fungot's language models in a human-readable format. :/
< 1405430852 880580 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: one could ( more informally) write x(m 1..n) 0 0
< 1405430853 960372 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1405430875 699388 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> x(m 1..n) 0 0
< 1405430876 847030 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:6: parse error on input ‘..’
< 1405430984 679960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can't be right, it's claiming the unigram frequency of "the" is 2/8922315.
< 1405431012 301759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does it work the "special" words?
< 1405431017 256922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for the
< 1405431175 752906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has sorted the labels alphabetically, but is taking the frequencies from the unsorted list.
< 1405431176 363343 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm mentally working on the challenge of "create a BF derivative that's as similar to BF as possible while being almost impossible to compile BF programs to"
< 1405431205 994711 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally, one that is obviously curly-L-complete, and not in the HQ9+ sense
< 1405431235 939860 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I love the fact that esolang technology has developed so much that I can write sentences like that and have a decent chance of people knowing what I mean)
< 1405431236 462080 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just did that with Befunge :P
< 1405431241 518041 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: yes
< 1405431250 888193 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not really intentionally
< 1405431254 765071 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I started thinking about doing that with BF, which is a harder core to work from
< 1405431266 990050 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we accomplish that, next stop is to do it with Thue :-)
< 1405431428 729156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunk's impossibility is also just for the generic case. I'd wager there are several Befunge programs that'd translate over pretty easily.
< 1405431439 411618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also 3.09% of the tokens in fungot's "irc" model are the word "the".
< 1405431439 775354 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: really, it's just totally useless. i'd better go home, else i'll miss the one in scheme48 :) like us?
< 1405431500 104890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The corresponding figure for Google's book corpus is between 4.6% to 6.1%, depending on the publication year.
< 1405431517 247151 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, most simple Befunge programs (i. e. programs that don't involve stringmode) can be converted quite simply
< 1405431541 631038 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs with stringmode can also be converted with slightly more work
< 1405431560 878093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eyeball-extrapolating the trends, I'd estimate the IRC-speak of today is book-writing of 2060 or so, judging from the frequency of "the" alone.
< 1405431567 50287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a downward trend.)
< 1405431569 244628 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and programs with instructions both in and not in stringmode can't be converted
< 1405431844 712785 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: what does "curly-L-complete" refer to?
< 1405431910 372039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: GET WITH THE TECHNOLOGY MAN
< 1405431910 870760 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: an article on the wiki which I can't link to because I can't type the curly L and can't be bothered to look it up
< 1405431920 608090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also the wiki is down.
< 1405431924 440747 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:d974:9338:78bd:6e8 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405431935 616463 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it means that the language can be used to implement at least one interpreter for a TC language
< 1405431943 640598 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is some debate about whether or not this means that the language is actually TC
< 1405431951 10012 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although all TC languages are also curly-L-complete
< 1405431951 279386 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1405432093 693331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's at times like these I'm happy I'm just administering the thing and not actually hosting it.
< 1405432136 964452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it's basically about whether you should consider code distinct from input when defining TC-ness.  (i'm on the "no" side.)
< 1405432193 528384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because there are so many TC formalisms where separating code and input makes no real sense.
< 1405432263 860418 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
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< 1405432295 835797 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ℒ
< 1405432309 125377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo is also down.
< 1405432309 623436 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, stuff’s down.
< 1405432329 378847 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the intended curly L though?
< 1405432351 658913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even important stuff, like people's MINECRAFT SERVERS, are down. (I checked Twitter.)
< 1405432375 944846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: yes.  googling that with esolang gives the right hit.
< 1405432396 985688 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is stuff down
< 1405432401 948699 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1405432408 667213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad google stopped giving cached pages.
< 1405432409 982087 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and OHNO MINECRAFT SURVURS
< 1405432428 490845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There is a cached copy of it.
< 1405432433 355546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In Google.
< 1405432445 327995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, but can you get to it?
< 1405432477 371874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, with a browser that doesn't load images or other useless stuff.
< 1405432489 974245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scripts too, I guess.
< 1405432503 382796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that if it were just images, it probably wouldn't block before rendering something.
< 1405432554 885669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or possibly it's stylesheets, I don't know what browsers do about those.)
< 1405432563 902761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, it loads nicely with w3m.
< 1405432594 599660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only get the translate link on the hit page, which doesn't load.
< 1405432639 34279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that tiny down arrow.
< 1405432660 455728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's where they've put the cached-page link nowadays.
< 1405432671 354935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i got it now.
< 1405432715 39553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ℒ is not infrequently written as "fancy L", in situations where 'ℒ' is difficult to type."   apparently ais523_ used a nonstandard alternative term.
< 1405433163 712907 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it’s not necessarily curly in every font.
< 1405433211 542616 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, a curly L could also be ȴ (LATIN SMALL LETTER L WITH CURL).
< 1405433325 291457 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think "curly L" is the normal name for the computability class, if not the letter
< 1405433583 821582 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ℒ is SCRIPT CAPITAL L btw.
< 1405434662 677736 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a Befunk solution to Euler-1 hidden in an image file which displays the number 233168 :P
< 1405434691 593384 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the solution
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< 1405438280 95679 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :£
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< 1405442902 884958 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea. a pair of HTTP status codes for Request Interrupted and Resume Request
< 1405442923 137450 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :intended to be used for a transparent auth gateway like on free wifi networks
< 1405442943 441265 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that they original request isn't interrupted and the browser can still submit whatever it was submitting
< 1405442950 620297 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stateful?
< 1405443030 118989 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only at the client end
< 1405443050 220503 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: those wifi auth gateways massively confuse my browser, to the extent that I've taken to using w3m for them
< 1405443092 318074 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:48b9:614a:5e5a:6192 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1405443114 833879 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :lolbotnetmuch
< 1405443121 107061 :lolbotnetmuch!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^4
< 1405443203 20559 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: if they're stateful, the only state is that the server will give a unique key so that the client can remember which request it's resuming
< 1405443246 220306 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like those WiFi auth gateways; for one thing they require a web browser, and even if you have one, causes interruption. Better is to use standard WiFi passwords; if agreement to terms of service is required it can be on a separate paper.
< 1405443285 308431 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nowadays they require huge levels of auth
< 1405443295 615064 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of several I've used recently, the /least/ they required was an email address
< 1405443320 663399 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That does not cover all use cases
< 1405443324 154681 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them wanted to know email address, physical address, name, mobile telephone number (all required), plus an agreement to let them send me adverts
< 1405443335 369559 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't agree to that even if I wanted to, due to not having a mobile phone
< 1405443354 212887 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will work fine for, say, a hotel's wifi, but it doesn't work for the case where you are operating a public access point and wish to charge for access
< 1405443359 151937 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may not have physical interaction with clients
< 1405443403 965339 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: there's already a status code for "payment required", but nobody uses it
< 1405443420 124330 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was intended for paywalls, presumably to stop the wall itself being cached rather than the page behind it
< 1405443487 400597 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody uses it because it's only reserved
< 1405443551 937604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if they do require additional auth, allowing it to work over telnet may help too, in addition to HTTP. However, even that isn't quite best way; it is also terrible.
< 1405443592 42241 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1405443640 707867 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-127-26.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405443645 626672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some such access points seem to allow DNS to work without authorizing at first.
< 1405443650 733106 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do current browsers treat all unknown 300-class status codes as redirects? if so, that would make things much easier
< 1405443655 438509 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: all do.
< 1405443671 943732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can simply store all the data you want to access in the DNS records.
< 1405443691 586414 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they may, however, intercept the DNS
< 1405443710 506738 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :some such APs also allow all traffic other than port 80 through uninterrupted
< 1405443711 722677 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are fu
< 1405443712 804601 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fun
< 1405443720 621981 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for a reverse SSH proxy
< 1405443728 190076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intercepting the DNS can cause several problems too.
< 1405443897 246245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it also allows everything other than port 80 through uninterrupted, then this helps much (not completely) since you will unlikely access port 80 unless you need a webpage. However, there will then still be the case of accessing files over HTTP in other ways, although this might not be too common over WiFi. Even then, you may be able to use a SSH tunnel or download the file over SSH if you have a remote UNIX shell account somewhere.
< 1405443937 168125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This will also allow you to use web browsers that run in text mode or in X, although you can also use any other program, too.)
< 1405443945 300754 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405444358 297776 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1405445058 358270 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405446025 740346 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised my warriors are still on the hill
< 1405446105 301755 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :corewars, or BF Joust?
< 1405446111 967283 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF Joust hasn't seen much activity lately
< 1405446147 455765 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got frustrated when I got preparation to beat every other program, but not to top the hill
< 1405446217 798068 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it and smartlock tend to go back and forth beating each other when me and Oj742 are both active, because the matchup depends on minor details of both programs
< 1405446633 740908 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1405446710 927140 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys, does any of you happen to know what happens when you try to pop a value in Whitespace, but the stack is empty?
< 1405446715 327472 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it throw an error?
< 1405446724 385080 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it pop 0?
< 1405446737 556214 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :corewar
< 1405447018 50671 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: the problem with Whitespace is that it was basically created as an April 1 project (sort-of like a joke, but with more effort going into it), then abandoned
< 1405447026 108048 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can track down the original interpreter, it's probably best to test on that
< 1405447038 346985 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have, but Haskell won't run it
< 1405447058 648667 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says that the module 'IO' is missing
< 1405447133 421119 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, bleh, I find that when I try to run old Haskell code, half the modules are in different places
< 1405447139 131717 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a relatively simple solution but I can't remember what it is
< 1405447153 654674 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any Haskellers here who know? if not, you could probably ask #haskell, they'll almost certainly know
< 1405447174 850057 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1405447180 34462 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried looking at the source code just now, but Haskell confuses the heck out of me
< 1405447197 367620 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically just a problem with finding the libraries
< 1405447201 565962 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, isn't whitespace a really old esolang, like older than haskell?
< 1405447208 123628 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1405447218 331259 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original interpreter was written in Haskell
< 1405447232 19546 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :main has type "IO ()" in Haskell, so you need a working definition of IO for any program to work
< 1405447294 882647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there are only a couple esolangs older than haskell
< 1405447298 448326 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a haskeller
< 1405447306 291218 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because haskell is old
< 1405447311 897352 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if IO is missing something is really broken :)
< 1405447316 104419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably compile it with -XHaskell98 or something
< 1405447321 81621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it is the module IO.
< 1405447327 807601 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1405447329 795310 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's 98?
< 1405447339 305638 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be supported by almost any haskell compiler I thought
< 1405447341 188846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. if it is missing then you are simply not using an ancient implementation
< 1405447347 679199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. it is System.IO etc. now
< 1405447353 484888 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know.
< 1405447356 224925 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the best of my knowledge, the one who made whitespace is the guy in charge of Idris.
< 1405447357 276344 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: Whitespace is old by esolang standards, but Haskell is also old by esolang standards
< 1405447365 323861 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just doesn't feel that way, because Haskell's not an esolang
< 1405447367 854881 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I thought ghc will find it anyway
< 1405447374 604652 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people don't normally compare it to esolangs age-wise
< 1405447375 319646 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, if he's actually using ghc)
< 1405447395 464885 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1405447398 579349 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc doesn't use the old names for modules unless you tell it to
< 1405447401 928928 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I forget how to tell it to
< 1405447402 128774 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using ghc
< 1405447404 312276 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell98 is a hidden package
< 1405447418 20559 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when is that? o_O
< 1405447428 635528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did you start using haskell?
< 1405447434 160847 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :years ago
< 1405447437 610562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is quite possibly before then
< 1405447439 220044 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the mere name "Haskell98" is a clue as to how old it is
< 1405447443 203655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell98 has been hidden for a long time
< 1405447456 124256 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do I un-hide it?
< 1405447457 117388 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say 6 years ago or something
< 1405447457 765172 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I found some of my own old Haskell code, it had unqualified module names
< 1405447459 310064 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got thirty years of experience in haskell
< 1405447469 136076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: what... no way
< 1405447474 281587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: if it was written after 2002, you were just out of date :)
< 1405447475 387841 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell isn't even that old, is it?
< 1405447479 296925 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's a parody
< 1405447482 546518 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2014 - 30
< 1405447484 52402 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1984
< 1405447490 463884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is 25 years old.
< 1405447492 822483 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I know, wait, I have a link for that
< 1405447494 508654 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of people who hire job requirements asking for implausible amounts of experience in new technologies
< 1405447500 459953 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: yep
< 1405447509 35283 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's entirely believable
< 1405447528 228476 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started esolanging with Malbolge and INTERCAL a little over seven years ago
< 1405447529 655964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: -XHaskell98 -package haskell98 might work.
< 1405447530 644312 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=956436
< 1405447549 729727 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405447578 312347 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2014 - 25
< 1405447579 684251 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1989
< 1405447592 268344 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1405447595 303021 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I do that?
< 1405447599 958874 :evalj!~jeval@5400FB99.dsl.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405447602 39162 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] 2014 - 25
< 1405447602 287183 :evalj!~jeval@5400FB99.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1989
< 1405447605 758374 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just says 'Prelude' and doesn't do anything
< 1405447631 318147 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1405447657 671440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it just says "Prelude".
< 1405447664 506254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you told me what it actually says I might be able to help
< 1405447701 795018 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says "Prelude>" and then when I type what you just said it says "Not in scope: data constructor 'XHaskell98'"
< 1405447733 931251 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that means it doesn't exist
< 1405447734 552408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc -XHaskell98 -package haskell98 foo.hs
< 1405447736 50295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use ghci
< 1405447742 916968 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :taht
< 1405447751 19485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:q to exit it)
< 1405447816 451437 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it says "Ambiguous module name 'Prelude': it was found in multiple packages: base haskell98-2.0.0,2"
< 1405447823 975527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, add -hide-all-packages
< 1405447833 89750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :before -package haskell98 I think
< 1405447876 369837 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405447884 923205 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it worked
< 1405447910 391022 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the file I ran for Whitespace just said it compiled a VM and then shut off :P
< 1405447951 884942 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it created files VM.hi and VM.o
< 1405447989 345422 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION found the Idris implementation of Whitespace, but it was last update five months ago and has bitrotted.
< 1405448009 172588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: you want ./VM
< 1405448013 367724 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: what version of ghc are you using to compile? and what's the full command line you are using?
< 1405448014 256999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless...
< 1405448015 959210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc --version?
< 1405448021 868340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely you want to do it again but add --make
< 1405448034 860470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also, update your GHC first, I think it is roughly ten years old or something
< 1405448038 568409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, wait, no
< 1405448048 759182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :./VM should definitely exist with those results...
< 1405448094 935725 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it created an executable with a different name?
< 1405448140 978626 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the initial file was called VM.hs bt
< 1405448141 888565 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :w
< 1405448189 264697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I want to see the output of gcc --version and ls
< 1405448193 478155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, ghc --version
< 1405448201 360935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I want to see the exact command you ran. b_jonas was right, I was wrong :p
< 1405448216 705613 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :version 7.6.3
< 1405448240 671633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, that's good
< 1405448257 69037 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I used 'ghc -XHaskell98 -hide-all-packages -package haskell98 VM.hs'
< 1405448278 418467 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: try again with --make as an extra switch
< 1405448279 775717 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :output was "Compiling VM          < VM.hs, VM.o >
< 1405448282 983799 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1405448295 621421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, and is there a file called VM?
< 1405448297 525634 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :any subsequent attempts to run resulted in no output
< 1405448302 805615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ./VM someprogram work?
< 1405448314 776621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just compiled VM -- the Whitespace interpreter -- you now need to run it
< 1405448316 863579 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure if that helps but it probably doesn't hurt)
< 1405448327 403115 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, the Idris implementation only requires ripping out a module the contents of which have been added to the stdlib.
< 1405448332 488508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't think a single thing went wrong with compilation
< 1405448457 836834 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: possible
< 1405448471 202703 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: so can you tell whether there's a file called ./VM or ./a.out or similar?
< 1405448537 575636 :Nona!~Anonymous@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405448540 943396 :Nona!~Anonymous@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1405448638 300830 :Anona!~Anona@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405448641 328118 :Anona!~Anona@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1405448641 608033 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the same parameters as before worked with ./VM, but when I input a filename it output nothing when it was supposed to output '6'.
< 1405448675 249157 :Anona!~Anona@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405448683 195535 :Anona!~Anona@76.70.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1405448707 616742 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's up with the join/part spam
< 1405448718 368771 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the timing's too consistent for it to be likely to be a bad connection
< 1405448726 182357 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1405448728 76922 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly a broken bot
< 1405448729 519777 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: what spam?
< 1405448736 126284 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Nona/Anona
< 1405448746 568560 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not spam, that was only three connect attempts
< 1405448804 792537 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I guess it's the timing
< 1405449224 430573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: ./VM should not take any parameters btu the filename
< 1405449225 189791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*but
< 1405449233 754761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly it should even be ./VM < whitespace.file
< 1405449243 827288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, ghc and VM are distinct -- ghc is a Haskell compiler, VM is a whitespace interpreter
< 1405449256 932903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the flags you needed were for ghc to turn the source code VM.hs into the whitespace interpreter VM, which has its own arguments
< 1405449290 202112 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1405449303 625793 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I try ./VM on its own it gives me an error
< 1405449318 169453 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the message? that could be pretty helpful here
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< 1405449355 997437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: you mean you're not psychic...?
< 1405449357 467019 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on windows, "'VM' was not recognized as (...) a file'
< 1405449359 679819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you ever help anyone on IRC?
< 1405449366 658315 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
< 1405449369 99740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: okay, VM.exe whitespaceprog then
< 1405449385 967091 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :VM.exe isn't recognized either
< 1405449432 984621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what files are listed when you "dir"?
< 1405449441 518768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not great at windows
< 1405449454 721147 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :VM.hi, VM.hs and VM.o
< 1405449463 402521 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all files starting with VM
< 1405449474 16074 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1405449562 82093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: ok, I just looked at the whitespace code.
< 1405449569 369822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you compiling VM.hs? the main program is main.hs
< 1405449570 814113 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so stupid
< 1405449572 100832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VM.hs is just one module
< 1405449576 527334 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just figured that out
< 1405449580 529347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1405449588 596665 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Banging my head on my keyboard right now
< 1405449598 38986 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not right now, but I will be when I finish typing
< 1405449599 875057 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :'pueuhanisa
< 1405449608 177642 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nhmk/':
< 1405449617 970135 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to hit the enter key
< 1405449621 123269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll become main.exe or something.
< 1405449633 129288 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the nose is very exposed actually for that kind of task
< 1405449709 348640 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it became main.exe
< 1405449826 525661 :^4!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v
< 1405450082 301267 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it throws a 'UserError' because it can't pop :P
< 1405450090 801491 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I finally know the answer
< 1405450156 653861 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 25 amazon voucher, what should I spend it on?
< 1405450210 245503 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it say about me that my initial reaction was "£25 of goods from Amazon", and I was almost about to type it before I realized it was a useless answer
< 1405450217 149181 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to saying it /because/ it was a useless answer
< 1405450238 973006 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: codex seraphinianus
< 1405450248 439490 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :two weeks ago I signed a paper forbidding me to buy stuff from amazon
< 1405450255 236365 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, the collected works of iain m banks
< 1405450258 990093 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, why?
< 1405450277 209096 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about fighting for idnependant bookshops
< 1405450297 796837 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the girl from the bookshop is hot)
< 1405450309 484766 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: just pay 1 eurocent shipping, surely?
< 1405450318 219115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh.
< 1405450333 78745 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm assuming this is related to the recent French tax law changes)
< 1405450340 532637 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good reason to have an opinion.
< 1405450348 836343 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking something like Pearls of Functional Algorithm Design but that is MORE THAN 25 POUNDS
< 1405450354 143198 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and Amazon getting round the letter of a law against free shipping)
< 1405450381 885782 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405450396 207870 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do Amazon sell printed copies of the INTERCAL manuals? either of them
< 1405450398 766282 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, they should
< 1405450411 616700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: I don't think Koen_ plans on adhering to his pledge.
< 1405450419 464051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm not sure you can call it an opinion.
< 1405450420 943310 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he signed!
< 1405450437 956026 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible, given that apparently there are entire publishers who work on automatically generating books on demand from GFDL/CC-by-sa content from Wikipedia
< 1405450445 236011 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, doesn't look like it :(
< 1405450446 680811 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the INTERCAL manuals are GPL and GFDL respectively
< 1405450459 577302 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least I couldn't find it in 10 seconds
< 1405450479 617473 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: sure, and wikipedia has some export options built in too, only people never seem to notice that
< 1405450481 181529 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, there's a song called "Intercal" on sale for 89¢.
< 1405450484 219290 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm completely adhering elliott, or I wouldn't have signed
< 1405450498 278969 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :album, even.
< 1405450509 341642 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I remember when those rolled out, and use them when I want to download Wikipedia pages for use offline
< 1405450509 953444 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has another song entitled "Zilog Z80".
< 1405450519 937587 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: prominently labelled as "Print/export: Create a book; Download as PDF; Printable version"
< 1405450534 113172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: actively or just by default because you didn't buy anything from amazon anyway? :)
< 1405450547 793596 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh well :)
< 1405450551 785167 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an api too for machine interaction with mediawiki
< 1405450559 323605 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, I don't think I've bought anything from Amazon, unless you count using them as the payment processor for Humble Bundle
< 1405450560 26945 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Obfuscated-X-Mas-Intercal/dp/B00ALIHXPQ/ hoo boy.
< 1405450570 383459 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I remember the API rolling out, too
< 1405450588 125716 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I don't remember these rolling out
< 1405450598 154722 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok
< 1405450599 223536 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've bought a lot from Amazon. THe last time I bought a book not from Amazon it turned out that the company I bought it from had been bought by Amazon a few years ago.
< 1405450604 483280 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and there's Special:Export too
< 1405450613 538090 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I know the local used shop uses AMazon to sell off inventory. I guess there's a system for that.
< 1405450619 512753 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's used for transferring pages to other wikis, normally
< 1405450627 629589 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone can use the export end, but the import end of it requires special admin powers
< 1405450627 815328 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazon gets a cut, probably
< 1405450635 487252 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I actually had once, but I'm not sure if I ever used them
< 1405450641 232476 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems possible that I did, but I can't remember why
< 1405450645 814946 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: sure, but the export is useful alone too
< 1405450664 550123 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was probably even more useful back when the api didn't exist
< 1405450667 637601 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, I didn't
< 1405450721 912333 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
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< 1405450895 130785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've bought a copy of TAOCP from Amazon, which I'll mention because it's a street-credible purchase.
< 1405450906 144185 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the English original?
< 1405450953 700997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Vols. 1-3 set -- http://www.amazon.com/The-Art-Computer-Programming-Vols/dp/0201485419/ -- because Vol. 4A wasn't out yet.
< 1405451016 824213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, you can rent books from Amazon now? 
< 1405451037 903285 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, my housemate has a copy so I don't think I'll buy that just yet
< 1405451046 325281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 1-4A set -- http://www.amazon.com/Computer-Programming-Volumes-1-4A-Boxed/dp/0321751043/ -- sells for $177.26 and rents for $99.25.
< 1405451068 425622 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the first bit represents sign, does that mean that '11' means '-1'?
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< 1405451083 5836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it's for a one-semester rent, for people who need it as a textbook.
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< 1405451152 909330 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Useful.
< 1405451167 125737 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there classes that actually use taocp as a textbook?
< 1405451173 547191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't heard of any.
< 1405451185 521455 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be one scary class
< 1405451186 860635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds a bit hard-core.
< 1405451201 761903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esp. using the entire book.
< 1405451254 726249 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1989624 My god.
< 1405451287 780278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that ("two courses, each based on different sections of TAOCP volume 4a") makes more sense.
< 1405451351 221456 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the author says when he was an undergrad he had a course use vol 1
< 1405451360 336208 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 1973, so
< 1405451549 351921 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his courses were fourth-year, sheesh
< 1405451555 925294 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:f84b:175a:fabd:8b39 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif
< 1405451789 963005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Intercal album also has a song called Cobol on it.)
< 1405451912 653260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :album?
< 1405452399 413257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shop.central-processing-unit.co.uk/album/intercal
< 1405452416 378259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was alluded to, earlier; it's what Amazon returns if one searches for "INTERCAL".
< 1405452456 795276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1405452508 136442 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use searches for "INTERCAL" as a quick method of gauging the usefulness of search engines
< 1405452533 738316 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I weight them higher if they return more relevant/recent information, and/or if they return relevant pages I haven't seen before
< 1405452737 747173 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I still don't know what to spend my Amazon voucher on
< 1405452757 274119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :four and a half drugs
< 1405452799 533082 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I still don't know what to spend my Amazon voucher on
< 1405452808 804327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine, a whole five drugs
< 1405452848 429319 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :£25 is that awkward spot where it's not enough for anything really substantive, but too much for something frivolous
< 1405452852 483367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this album is pretty good
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< 1405453155 884902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I've heard good things about that Concrete Mathematics book, but it's more than £25 too.
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< 1405453227 561203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could almost buy "generatingfunctionology", which is probably the funniest name of a textbook on any course I took.
< 1405453302 115692 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1405453706 604558 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right, I'm about to order Concrete Mathematics
< 1405453816 355673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disclaim all responsibility if it turns out to be a pile of horse manure.
< 1405454173 216531 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^3
< 1405454234 328148 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :generatingfunctionology is also free online...
< 1405454256 945127 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess a free download is an "almost buy".
< 1405454292 506961 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, does anybody know about sound waves? I'm trying to figure out where a sqrt(2) factor comes from in getting a wave's amplitude to match a dB SPL.
< 1405454400 64390 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/eglin-air-force-base-busted-gaming-reddit.html
< 1405454521 987957 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_influence_on_public_opinion
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< 1405463277 23934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had KANGASKHAN [Lv.40] in their bench, with a lot of damage on it but also a lot of energy, and I couldn't remove it normally so instead I switched to GENGAR [Lv.38] in order to sacrifice it and defeating their card at the same time, and then use POKEMON FLUTE to put it back with no energy and then activate CLEFAIRY [Lv.15] again in order to reactivate KANGASKHAN [Lv.40]. And then use ENERGY REMOVAL again once they attached another energy car
< 1405463393 961061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, now he ran out of cards.
< 1405463519 312749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is the only of their cards that I knocked out.)
< 1405463597 476616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is really a game of positional tactics.
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< 1405464398 39647 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does the Gameboy game allow multiple retreats a turn? I forget
< 1405464479 479506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes; that is a standard rule of Pokemon Card.
< 1405464492 205640 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1405464520 907547 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pokemon Card GB2 uses all of the normal rules, except that you do not get the choice to draw two more cards if your opponent starts the game with no basic pokemon cards in their hand.
< 1405464523 180720 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes cards having a retreat cost of 0 interesting
< 1405464585 510640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know. It becomes especially useful if you are then confused or sand or something like that.
< 1405464636 351725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, of course, if the retreat cost is zero this also mean it is more difficult to take back any recycle energies which are attached to it.
< 1405464652 635406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are several ways around that.
< 1405464805 12238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try to see my fifth Pokemon Card puzzle by now?
< 1405465078 181931 :^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1405465096 999072 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I don't think I've tried it, or at least not solved it
< 1405465299 473008 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1405465376 106879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then see if you can figure out anything of it.
< 1405465470 381235 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405465481 401238 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 NICK :Bicyclidine
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< 1405465869 620956 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, pretty sure I prefer Sinatra to the poorly thought out clone in Haskell called Scotty
< 1405465879 227048 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Simple may be more expressive
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< 1405467621 564996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Night
< 1405468090 201867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you write music using undertone scales?
< 1405468324 640365 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405468347 330427 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up with esolangs.org?
< 1405468358 695450 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not working at all for me for some reason.
< 1405468363 777731 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is dead. very dead.
< 1405468369 713277 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, everything else.
< 1405468384 261438 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, how in heck will I be able to go to the pages?
< 1405468417 366896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... not sure what kind of answer you're expecting there
< 1405468437 993451 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, is there any way I can go back and look at the wiki in its former glory again?
< 1405468443 101272 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pages, they are also dead. Gregor may resuscitate them some time soon.
< 1405468450 516015 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are they dead?
< 1405468464 409875 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hosting problems. a whole host of problems.
< 1405468540 47060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I would call cloudatcost a whole host of problems
< 1405468558 416768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: you can use google cache or web.archive.org or whatever for now. there are backups of the wiki too. but this is just temporary
< 1405468705 613327 :JWinslow23!411f61cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.31.97.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1405468893 473055 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: QUINTOPIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAÁ!
< 1405469064 280362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep looking at Twitter for latest cloudatcost news; this time there's: "@cloudatcost copying @digitalocean community articles for their knowledge base. Seriously, the CC BY NC SA license isn't that hard to follow"
< 1405469095 596201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: don't you have a VPS or something? :p
< 1405469146 677710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, one with 256M of RAM, and lighttpd for a web server. Though I guess it might be better than none.
< 1405469167 421219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually been sort-of looking at DigitalOcean's $5/month "droplet".
< 1405469171 146414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much are you paying for it?
< 1405469180 927629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.72€/month.
< 1405469188 819571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some-such.
< 1405469205 108662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, DO would be way better than that.
< 1405469221 407290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you moved the wiki there :P
< 1405469277 423195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, Tilaa's current lowest-end config (5.55€/month + tax) is pretty close to DO's deal, except without the SSD thing.
< 1405469307 255972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with "unlimited" (fsvo) traffic, vs. DO's 1 TB.
< 1405469329 833640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more expensive.
< 1405469333 236645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1405469343 296850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, indeed, fair. (?)
< 1405469346 734461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd lose my IPv6s!1
< 1405469360 127310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(DO only has native v6 in their Singapore location at the moment.)
< 1405469394 983340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they have it in london too
< 1405469405 442710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as of yesterday.
< 1405469422 636801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, yes, but the London is super-new, I last looked at these things like three days ago.
< 1405469460 829523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes :p
< 1405469479 208289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the major thing that if I were hosting this, it'd be my problem when it doesn't work.
< 1405469489 954499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it already is. I ping both of you.
< 1405469505 873783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess, but I can just ignore it and go to sleep.
< 1405469512 527910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you get fired.
< 1405469513 741496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is what I'll be doing any moment now.)
< 1405469567 117099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? it's only 3 am there!
< 1405469588 633427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :π am.
< 1405469630 701887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not in any sensible sense.)
< 1405469638 554482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :said at 01:13.
< 1405469930 884975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: O, do you like my new card game too, "The Aberration Hater Card Game"?
< 1405470126 237757 :^3!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v
< 1405470933 324232 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahoily
< 1405471041 686489 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yesterday I tasted an interesting beer. http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/dieu-du-ciel-lherbe-a-detourne/123975/
< 1405471114 255225 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like trippel
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< 1405471175 479019 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of those treacherous ones where you realize the full extent of your pint when you try to stand up.
< 1405471189 227003 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the comments indicate
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< 1405473205 488028 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL
< 1405473206 225019 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 160100Z 13004KT 15SM FEW030TCU FEW080 SCT150 BKN240 20/18 A2970 RMK TCU1AC1AC2CI3 SLP056 DENSITY ALT 900FT
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< 1405481498 432436 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw some fairy chess problem, where due to the additional piece, it is not allowed to promote into a queen because doing so would put you in check, but promoting to other pieces is OK.
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< 1405489084 525159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The modes for The Aberration Hater Card Game might be: Versus (2-players, individal roles), Neutral (3-p, ind. roles), Bridge (4-p in teams, partners sit across, each team has a role), Washizu (4-p in teams, partners sit adjacent, ind. roles), Mirror (2-p, same roles), Cutthroat (3-p, same roles), and perhaps there can be others too, such as Solitaire.
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< 1405498639 803218 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Abberation Hater"? what's that?
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< 1405501980 971409 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: could you eventually get the old whitespace interpreter to work?
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< 1405502032 448686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure he did
< 1405502050 915534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if anythin
< 1405502078 270144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a reasonable thing to wonder about.
< 1405502083 44859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, fingers, that's not backspace.
< 1405502094 199907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you ever wonder if anythin? 
< 1405502094 751159 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i fnord 1)...) where you can replace it with ' quick' or ' what would you use? :) ( i.e. zooming functions to the beginning
< 1405502177 644315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how much of -Xhaskell98 will still keep working in ghc in ghc 6.10
< 1405502255 277535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the applicative-monad merge will definitely break my old unlambda interpreter, if it hasn't already.  although someone else is maintaining its descendant on hackage anyway.
< 1405502445 602371 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1405502460 631550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what what
< 1405502479 88516 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean Monad will become a subclass of Applicative so you will have to declare instances to Monad differently?
< 1405502483 179059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems my Unlambda interpreter still works in 7.6.3 with the right flags
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< 1405502513 346805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes.  the interpreter contains a custom Monad instance, but naturally no Applicative one.
< 1405502538 822449 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but don't they add some language magic so that the old declarations work?
< 1405502540 526501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(however those flags make :main break, although plain main works)
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< 1405502574 294407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no.  they've simple made ghc 7.8 a transition period, with warnings for things that will break.  but you still need to change code.
< 1405502579 598715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*simply
< 1405502582 653735 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see
< 1405502605 346459 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: besides Monad, what else has changed?
< 1405502622 418711 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, is Applicative still a subclass of Functor?
< 1405502647 184499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course.
< 1405502668 783880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need to declare that too
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< 1405502740 179790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically they gave up on finding a backwards compatible way of rearranging class hierarchies. :(
< 1405502771 279389 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there were some attempts, such as https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/IntrinsicSuperclasses
< 1405502777 868966 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity
< 1405502790 420548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know.
< 1405502819 780746 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they'll still do something (even if not exactly that) till 6.10
< 1405502885 71635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :extremely unlikely, it's too little time left.
< 1405502893 675825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and too big a change.
< 1405502912 759623 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't breaking H89 compatibility also too big a change?
< 1405502932 529639 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it at least possible to write code that works with both the old and new Monad?
< 1405502942 285077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure.  but they jumped the shark on that when they removed Eq as a Num superclass, i think.
< 1405502978 49865 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1405502979 992330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1405502983 235642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, if you define Applicative and Functor simultaneously, it will work in both.
< 1405503011 21820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does GHC versioning work, if something called "6.10" is later than "7.8"? 
< 1405503034 500970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: numerically?
< 1405503046 296264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, but... 6 < 7.
< 1405503051 455891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1405503055 90556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* 7.10
< 1405503099 505474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well, that's boringly normal. I was hoping for something wacky.
< 1405503107 928629 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I messed that up too
< 1405503120 42391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're excused, you just copied me
< 1405503143 358343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE WAS JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS
< 1405503241 716865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a reddit post the other day where someone was confused about why haskell's versioning (Package Versioning Policy or PVP) differs from Semantic Versioning
< 1405503271 155018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically you can combine those just fine, _except_ PVP has two numbers for major version)
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< 1405503303 243663 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's this aberration hater thing zzo has mentioned?
< 1405503309 218944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[latest @cloudatcost tweet] "Tip of the day - If you search for [city, state zip codes] in Google, you will be presented with all of the zip codes in that location. Ex : ny, new york zip codes"   yes, fine, very clever, but how about fixing those servers instead of concentrating on that? 
< 1405503331 674693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: some game he made inspired by his D&D campaign, i think
< 1405503391 304456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iirc he plays an illithid/mind flayer, which is an Aberration monster, and the campaign world has major discrimination against those)
< 1405503456 354111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course in standard D&D illithids are usually extremely Evil, but at least in his campaign not all are, including iiuc his character)
< 1405503518 416727 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1405503573 687318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mainly know this because the yafgc comic has a major (evil) illithid character.  incidentally yafgc has been down for weeks.
< 1405503614 308180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well somewhat major.  he seems to have done little in recent arcs.
< 1405503647 193006 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405503664 930016 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in this game illithids are like dark elves in http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0044.html , where "the whole species consists of nothing but Chaotic Good rebels, yearning to throw off the reputation of their evil kin."
< 1405503804 732058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i don't know if it's that bad, you'll have to ask zzo38.
< 1405503891 929803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dark elf thing is common enough that i've seen it in another place (the Goblins comic), it's a reference to players copying the literary character http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drizzt_Do'Urden
< 1405503969 440079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oots lampshades that even further later.
< 1405505235 105168 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sure, like in http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0008.html
< 1405505259 839953 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unflattering images of halflings and of rogues
< 1405505356 728477 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course there's the color-coded dragons
< 1405505360 728789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant the drizzt thing specifically.
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< 1405512422 915898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this "poco" library that some people mentioned?
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< 1405513313 604993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it like?
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< 1405515873 327509 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
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< 1405526787 689341 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodafternoon fellow esolangers
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< 1405530122 806398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the whole species consists of nothing but Chaotic Good rebels, yearning to throw off the reputation of their evil kin."
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< 1405530129 208199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's silly!
< 1405530137 597228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes you think it is true? It is impossible.
< 1405530204 3156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not apply to any species in my game, because it doesn't make any sense.
< 1405530214 756109 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405530217 607117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any species has good, evil, and neutral people.
< 1405530222 819191 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it makes sense
< 1405530229 292162 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is hilarious
< 1405530284 295410 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405530446 478046 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that's the idea, it's a joke
< 1405530471 535170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With mostly (but not entirely) equal amounts, but people hate them anyways. Most of them have no place in the card game however, because it is a card game. It is still untrue in a card game too. But Aberration Hater certainly does not care whether or not it is true; that is not their job.
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< 1405530503 212073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Perhaps it can be hilarious, but that doesn't make it sensible. Perhaps in some game/story world it can be true, but not in mine because it is not sensible to me.
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< 1405531308 800559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell oerjan; they are the one who made this mistake, it seems.
< 1405531396 488627 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan was referencing the joke
< 1405531557 280799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK, then
< 1405531583 109034 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1405531771 236232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aberration Hater is an evil society, but its members just as well might not be! This sometimes causes confusion with people who are not thinking clearly.
< 1405531775 110762 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you not see how it could be interpreted as sensible? do you see the hilarity?
< 1405531796 180827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: The latter.
< 1405531851 836056 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405531874 928372 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's hilarious because it describes the human species. WE are all (excepting sociopaths) chaotic good. there are no TRULY evil among us. (sociopaths are neutral)
< 1405531898 200458 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we are all out to right the wrongs of the other humans WE perceive as evil
< 1405531900 565746 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not
< 1405531902 34932 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :as may be
< 1405531928 279935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see what you mean, but I do not think it is actually true nonetheless.
< 1405531947 39761 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it is not true
< 1405531963 239780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is going on
< 1405531988 962448 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably something you're not interested in
< 1405532033 549063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I cannot know for sure, but that is not how I define such things.
< 1405532037 403037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think everyone is chaotic good, have you seen ais523? he's way too boring for that
< 1405532114 300988 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405532196 31833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When will they fix the esolang wiki?
< 1405532242 859605 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: it's hilarious because it describes the human species. WE are all (excepting sociopaths) chaotic good. there are no TRULY evil among us. (sociopaths are neutral)
< 1405532250 982099 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that is... not the joke
< 1405532268 289939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: moral relativism, duuuuuuuuude
< 1405532371 429483 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1405532395 789712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always thought the joke was that it's true because all drow characters are drizzt knockoffs, you see
< 1405532433 824069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? Now you have a difference in opinion.
< 1405532875 723219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, this difference in opinion is what is the point.
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< 1405532928 651767 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i didn't read the context so i don't know what "the joke" is. i'm just reporting why i find it a funny concept
< 1405532990 709335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Ah. s/"the joke"/"this joke"/
< 1405533096 697426 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant what i said
< 1405533139 235044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you tried to mean what you said, but you should have meant that you meant something.
< 1405533190 784681 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that i said matches what i meant better than your correction in my opinion
< 1405533240 36403 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :although perhaps better would have been "\"the\" joke"
< 1405533265 124559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, OK
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< 1405535659 643985 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this morning i argued that nobody really defined their political position as "chaos" because that would be too dumb. thanks for proving me rong
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< 1405538171 366166 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: who proved you wrong
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< 1405538449 314660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have to ask
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< 1405539295 747220 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see no proof here of his particular claim
< 1405539302 993365 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or disproof i guess
< 1405539310 894495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with you
< 1405539311 653572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never really understood the lawful vs chaotic thin
< 1405539313 301052 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thing
< 1405539357 840585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 'lawful good' only makes sense for deliberately obtuse cases like ais523
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< 1405539407 746958 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a way of justifying roleplaying as goblin murderers. nothing much else to read into it.
< 1405539413 450354 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's to do with whether I character has rules for themselves which they strictly obey. there are few people that have this property in reality, so it's more of a gimmick to make a character easier to play while keeping it unique and 'in character'
< 1405539506 569519 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there are things in between too, at various degrees.
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< 1405540045 918747 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ideas for working of "detect alignment" spells are different from the common way where it is simply assumed that a character has an alignment and that one is detected. Rather I am using a different way:
< 1405540221 172982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The following points will have an affect on the detection:  * What the target is currently doing and acting.  * The recent past of effects of what they are commonly doing.  * Alignment descriptors of creatures, spells, and active (not passive) magical objects.  * If the target is a cleric, their deity.  * If the caster is a cleric, their deity.  * If cast directly (not from a scroll), the caster's personal prejudices have a minor effect on it too.
< 1405540271 85465 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds hard to resolve
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< 1405540320 854743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first point above has also been made in a document saying that rule could be used in horror stories, however I have come up with that and all the other points independently, and for other reasons.
< 1405540408 231091 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/other reasons/different reasons/
< 1405540439 284044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to the points above, it is possible for multiple alignments to register at once, for example if a man casts a spell with a good descriptor for evil purposes, or if the devil does something good for a change.
< 1405540520 218896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You can fall back if you are unable to resolve it properly.
< 1405540685 291245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I do think that descripting your political position using one or two words doesn't explain a lot; you should be more specific. Such words can only describe it in general, not in specifics, and specifics are important too.
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< 1405542633 283101 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a sucker for maths books
< 1405542693 506339 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just acquired a friend's copy of Mathematical Methods for Physics and Engineering
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< 1405546275 196468 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405546417 598401 :newsham!~chat@72.235.201.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"have you managed to unfuck my cluster?"
< 1405546427 202731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i always thought the joke was that it's true because all drow characters are drizzt knockoffs, you see <-- well that's the joke _i_ was referencing, anyway.
< 1405546461 90055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover  i always thought the joke was that it's true because all drow characters are drizzt knockoffs, you see <-- well that's the joke _i_ was referencing, anyway.
< 1405546461 559558 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1405546473 444012 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, obviously, yes
< 1405546559 200893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's about how we are all four ourselves in this world of grey areas [smoke's a weed]
< 1405546609 731718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought only the time cube guy was four himself
< 1405546751 843617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't make me smoke another weed
< 1405546775 535445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried dandelion man
< 1405546784 875672 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that shit's just like
< 1405546832 51612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is this a bloom county reference
< 1405546842 27669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno
< 1405546843 35412 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1405547064 12328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :#9 here http://www.thecomicstrips.com/subject/The-Dandelion-Comic-Strips-by-Bloom+County.php
< 1405547123 736972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :#20 also good
< 1405547136 193301 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.143.135 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405547249 697931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION only checked the sunday strip ones, anyway
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< 1405547756 223412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm gonna look for less morbid questions for a while." if you say so, randall.
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< 1405552406 142813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the foglios need to get some tips from dmm on how to keep a webcomic schedule.
< 1405552468 960414 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405552483 724344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you are a member of Worldcon and want to vote for Girl Genius, ballots are due by August 1! If you want to vote for any of our admittedly excellent competitors, the deadline is August 2."
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< 1405552849 60271 :newsham!~chat@72.235.201.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i wanted to vote for a white dood?
< 1405552855 420949 :newsham!~chat@72.235.201.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil?
< 1405552933 184742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1405552939 579110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the foglios were, like, white
< 1405552951 737121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise they have some _amazing_ makeup
< 1405552961 600504 :newsham!~chat@72.235.201.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dood = male
< 1405552979 696969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the foglios is male hth
< 1405553050 924141 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's... maybe making reference to the 'girl genius' part?
< 1405553066 174099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh i'm pretending not to understand that
< 1405553194 711539 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1405553195 72708 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EliezerYudkowsky says: Perfect software has an interface which is both telepathic and precognitive.
< 1405553200 762653 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1405553248 118444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah but I was more wondering about the part where the joke made no sense and wasn't funny
< 1405553470 342437 :newsham!~chat@72.235.201.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :girl geniuses are awesome and all
< 1405553613 895778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know what girl genius is
< 1405553700 726883 :newsham!~chat@72.235.201.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1405553812 775219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my first guess
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< 1405555142 507412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: byely
< 1405555174 321458 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan byely?
< 1405555174 619861 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1405555578 633248 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A variant of bridge can be if everyone passes, instead of redealing the cards, there is no dummy and no trumps and whoever takes the least number of tricks is the winner.
< 1405556011 906632 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't found people to play bridge with yet.
< 1405556781 347412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1405556808 574513 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't play bridge with you but i could play portal 2 with you or borderlands 2 with you
< 1405556811 586980 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically
< 1405556867 721986 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia.
< 1405556889 529990 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidemment, I just installed steam on my laptop, and I'm currently in the process of installing games.
< 1405556900 455173 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your display name
< 1405556917 163364 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have the first portal, but I should be having had will bought portal 2 some time soon in the near future.
< 1405556931 597989 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me help you with that
< 1405556964 42510 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tell me your display name!
< 1405557133 749392 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1405557163 69308 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfcuttle
< 1405557311 276012 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :invite sent
< 1405557319 689035 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :invite currently being seen...
< 1405559969 902942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what I should do is The Aberration Hater Card Game, all of card have the same set of subtypes, unlike in Magic: the Gathering where they use different set of subtypes although some card types use same one (such as Tribal with Creature). I don't like that so I can make this one to simplify the rules a bit.
< 1405560001 873787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think it make more sense or not?
< 1405561199 443178 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:3090:56a6:de0d:98d4 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1405561918 331088 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the mistake of reading about Perl
< 1405561918 761039 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5680147/perl-passing-2-or-more-arrays-to-a-subroutine
< 1405561988 409391 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:3090:56a6:de0d:98d4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1405562557 808893 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:d9f:acf1:c5d6:a544 QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1405565140 360395 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405566004 791888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how you pass arrays in Perl.
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< 1405571109 297421 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Perl, the string "0" is falsey
< 1405571694 919774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the source-codes for Infocom's Z-machine interpreter on Commodore 64, as well as a binary. It looks like it is supposed to load the first 256 bytes of the binary starting at $0500 and the rest starting at $0D00. I don't know much about Commodore 64; do you know the reason for this?
< 1405571723 116710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what is the capacity of a Commodore 64 disk?
< 1405571788 728900 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mercifully, there is no elsunless keyword."
< 1405571851 683853 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weak.
< 1405572045 656848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a file written by Infocom that says "Remember: We Hate Micros (tm)"
< 1405572056 816279 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I write my own map function in Perl, or does the builtin one use some kind of magic?
< 1405572335 177242 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Perl's official documentation complains about Perl
< 1405572336 441581 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This function should have been named wantlist() instead."
< 1405572416 304446 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem!
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< 1405575976 726575 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, my what
< 1405575999 844479 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: ?
< 1405576014 572012 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Perl's official documentation complains about Perl
< 1405576278 370615 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/wantarray.html
< 1405576354 397705 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^0
< 1405576672 736058 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl sure is scary.
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< 1405578860 707376 :impomatic_!~chatzilla@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net NICK :impomatic
< 1405578872 275174 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The lone dot that ends a format can also prematurely end a mail message passing through a misconfigured Internet mailer (and based on experience, such misconfiguration is the rule, not the exception)."
< 1405578878 716764 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not Perl being scary here.
< 1405578893 740949 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1405578975 556788 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perllol
< 1405578985 24959 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://perldoc.perl.org/perllol.html
< 1405578987 571688 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, possibly list of list?
< 1405579054 411252 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, that's because the rule is that on adjacent brackets only (whether square or curly), you are free to omit the pointer dereferencing arrow."
< 1405579075 446754 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess because otherwise ][ doesn't make actual sense as a thing that would be useful?
< 1405579662 989447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Are you still thinking whether to move to #cloud computing or not? Well, its no more a trend but rather a business norm. Make your move now with Cloud at Cost affordable cloud solutions. --"
< 1405579679 879018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I won't be making my move until esolangs.org is back up.
< 1405579708 727321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Have you happened to take a glance at the web-admin panel? Who knows, maybe it'd say something useful now.
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< 1405580520 668025 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr QUIT :Quit: Cya!
< 1405581009 975018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is SLOWBRO [Lv.35] so strange?
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< 1405589659 579990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-
< 1405589659 978337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 9h 34m 45s ago: byely?
< 1405589673 891762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily surely.
< 1405589674 379587 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1405589751 647653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What is strange about it?
< 1405589764 659600 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lewd
< 1405589764 840753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages
< 1405589778 327821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Adverbily said.
< 1405589816 810393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly.
< 1405589833 992241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how do mölkky championships even work
< 1405589839 38920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't really seem like that sort of game
< 1405589876 594195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the finnish manage to have championships in _wife-carrying_.  surely they can work it out.
< 1405589901 377905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why not. I mean, you do count a score and all.
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< 1405589956 24242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a team thing, you've got 6-person teams and you select a 4-person subset with a set throw order for each game.)
< 1405590002 899045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, maybe it works better with teams
< 1405590212 111256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"##The wife to be carried may be your own, or the neighbor's, or you may have found her further afield; she must, however, be over 17 years of age."
< 1405590299 375387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was a Finnish winner in the recently ended 2014 wife-carrying championship.
< 1405590310 96031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's usually either Finnish or Estonian.
< 1405590443 687976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Along with the wife carrying world championships there is also a team competition. The track and rules are the same as Wife Carrying World Championsips but three men in the team carry the wife in turns. At the exchange point the carrier has to drink the official “wife carrying drink” before continuing the race."
< 1405590448 674170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/usually/always/, by wikipedia's list
< 1405590503 166134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the silver medalists for 2014 are from UK.
< 1405590513 262267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that there was a German winner, but apparently not.
< 1405590568 221980 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, where does one get a blas?
< 1405590639 105944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenBLAS is not too shabby. And there's always the good old ATLAS.
< 1405590702 470813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course there are the processor vendor ones.
< 1405590709 197590 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :libopenblas.so doesn’t seem to contain the copy routines which I’m looking for.
< 1405590713 50454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the blas built from eigen
< 1405590716 490899 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, I recommend openblas
< 1405590724 326133 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.openblas.net/
< 1405590738 676420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 2014, the Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race sent a cease-and-desist order to Iditarod NYC, asserting that the name "Idiotarod" infringed its trademark in "Iditarod."[8][9] Idiotarod NYC characterized the letter as "frivolous threats of legal action", but renamed the event to "Idiotarodorama NYC (aka 'The Desistarod')"."
< 1405590914 161499 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants dge_copy …
< 1405590967 340837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't sound like a BLAS name.
< 1405591085 40743 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has little idea about this …
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< 1405591207 469644 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s in the blas technical forum standard chapter 2. Is this one of those standards that nobody cares to implement in practice?
< 1405591227 306228 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: yes, the blas technical forum is one of those
< 1405591264 960165 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: everyone still either uses the old legacy blas and lapack fortran functions, their C wrappers (cblas and lapacke but the latter is barely used),
< 1405591301 720037 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grand. Somehow I had been hoping that people would be actually sane about this kind of lib …
< 1405591307 235055 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something with a more modern interface like eigen. The blas forum is supposed to have been a bit more modern (in 2001) than cblas but it didn't seem to have caught on.
< 1405591319 918868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sane" and "scientific computing" don't really often go hand-in-hand.
< 1405591356 756056 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: if it's new code (not constrained with compatibility), I recommend you try eigen version 3, get it from http://eigen.tuxfamily.org/
< 1405591404 168931 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t think I can call C++ …
< 1405591429 586475 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a C++ library that has an interface _very_ different from any of blas, lapack, cblas, lapacke, blas_forum; though the library happens to provide an implementation of blas.
< 1405591434 390362 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: what language are you calling from?
< 1405591461 511997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps tell us more about what you want to do 
< 1405591584 806152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has this X that he wants to map into a Y
< 1405591587 765158 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said dge_copy, that copies a matrix, possibly transposing or conjugating or hermiteing it, right?
< 1405591612 195396 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PoC for binding lower-level linear algebra routines in Idris.
< 1405591619 921448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: our thing uses LAPACK++, and it's the only such thing I've seen.
< 1405591651 932411 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes.
< 1405591788 856625 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, since as it turns out I need wrappers anyway, I’m actually calling the routines from C. I’m just trying to avoid writing major amounts of C.
< 1405591823 673997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: that's why I mentioned cblas, which wraps the original fortran blas routines to C
< 1405591872 244591 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly that doesn't seem to have a function that _just_ copies a matrix possibly transposed. it only has a vector copy function.
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< 1405591979 768164 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I’ll just have to write the copy myself, I guess. And hope I don’t make any mistakes that C can’t catch, which is most of them …
< 1405591996 184752 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one more library there is is the ublas library from boost, but it's C++ and isn't really blas-like despite its name, and I don't really like it)
< 1405592028 912442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel's MKL adds something that sounds very "dge_copy"ish as a custom "BLAS-like" extension, so it's probably a oft-requested feature.
< 1405592030 288689 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want a copy, or a transposed copy? on a matrix with gaps between the rows that must not be overwritten, or one that can be written in full? 
< 1405592046 271584 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible, I don't know the intel stuff much
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< 1405592245 103951 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A copy, with gaps. (I want to be able to copy to submatrices.)
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< 1405592345 54166 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I just realized that it should work when the source and destination overlap.
< 1405592373 521413 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION afks.
< 1405592855 453466 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1405592929 263612 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1405592929 688275 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 54m 15s ago: surely.
< 1405592946 154565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this downtime is :/
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< 1405592953 401028 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hellørjanly :D
< 1405593041 947930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hily
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< 1405593348 847710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It is. I put up a temporary "out of order" page (with a DNS change), but it'll take a whole day to propagate. (And then another whole day to disappear when things are back up, I guess, but it doesn't seem things are working very fast.)
< 1405593384 505478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I trust cloudatcost even less than I previously did now.
< 1405593418 783950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether Gregor has a trouble-ticket open there. (Though based on the tweets, it might not do much good.)
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< 1405593626 966788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if I were to permanently move the wiki, I'd like to get the most recent version out of the cloudhole first. Staying true to the time-honoured esolangs-administering principles of do-as-little-as-humanly-possible, I didn't actually add my (rsync-based) mirroring thing to the crontab after all, just thought about it.
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< 1405593851 677712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course we're also missing HackEgo. Perhaps I should dig out my half-finished "it's just like HackEgo except it runs arbitrary Z80 code w/ custom syscalls in place of a x86 Linux" bot out of storage. I'm sure people would rather be writing Z80 assembly snippets instead of shell scripts when they want to add a feature.
< 1405593911 358417 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was writing Z80 a couple of days ago.
< 1405594033 812692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go.
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< 1405594483 342183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well zzo38 might.
< 1405594556 619855 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chome died, I don't know why...
< 1405594588 275245 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately all of the settings, etc are local webpages so I can't access any :-(
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< 1405594806 57183 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrome died and you can't open it again?
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< 1405596982 915536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm tmux is working, irssi is working, but the other subwindows are going haywire.
< 1405597017 469072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ^C fixed the shell one.
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< 1405598274 721672 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: chrome died and it opens but won't open a webpage, even a local one. No access to the settings either.
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< 1405605609 524660 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esolang wiki webpage has a stub now
< 1405605611 320867 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1405605625 964841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought people would get confused without.
< 1405605764 963728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made it a 307 Temporary Redirect in the hopes of not messing up Google-crawling or such, though I don't know if that actually helps.
< 1405605865 86930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it should return a 503 Service Unavailable with that page as the error content, but I'm not sure how to convince lighttpd about that.
< 1405605885 533885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be semantically more correct, though.
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< 1405606550 524174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: make it a cgi that prints "Status: 503 Service Whatever" in the header part?
< 1405606561 162334 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do lighttpd, so I'm not sure, sorry
< 1405606592 292595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Status is a pseudo-header used by CGI to ask the webserver to set the status code in the http response line)
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< 1405607540 172189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: esolangs.org just goes to zem.fi for me now
< 1405607542 960722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it seems to more or less work.
< 1405607549 223176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :..or not
< 1405607568 163419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may need to convince a browser to uncache or something. I was fiddling with it.
< 1405607587 761314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least esolangs.org/somethingthatIdidnotyetvisit worked for me.
< 1405607607 24703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure how to "reload" something that the browser remembers as redirecting.)
< 1405607636 468055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I have to be on my way, back in half an hour or so. ->
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< 1405609899 994570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, during my fiddling and twiddling and tweaking, I managed to return to Googlebot's crawl requests for esolangs.org the following HTTP statuses: 200 (twice), 301 (16 times), 307 (237 times), 403 (once), 404 (350 times) and 503 (48 times).
< 1405609910 320395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp. I'm sure they're make sense of it all.
< 1405609986 176337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's crawling that frequently?
< 1405609994 985360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once a minute, it would appear.
< 1405610063 744475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:06:48, 17:07:48, 17:08:21, 17:08:46, 17:08:47, 17:09:47, 17:10:49, 17:11:47, 17:12:47.
< 1405610094 952693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the following pages: YABC, Lambdastack, PATH, Talk:Pointy, Squishy2K, Clsuterfuck, User:Shubshub, Fishing, Spaghetti.
< 1405610106 927250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're big esolangs enthusiasts there at Google.
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< 1405610468 700464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we're going to be ungooglable for a while too, you say.
< 1405610552 409008 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, google will notice the server is down temporarily only
< 1405610572 818737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if fizzie keeps confusing them completely
< 1405610631 516918 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently my webserver has got tcp through http tunnel requests. maybe someone was scanning for open proxies or something.
< 1405610640 617601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That happens, yes.
< 1405610659 904687 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! 
< 1405610665 169895 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was apparently freenode's proxy scanner
< 1405610670 583808 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1405610686 966442 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to do only a http request for some particular page iirc
< 1405610700 390964 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did both now
< 1405610736 125742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's one vulnerable-webapp probe for esolangs.org today: http://sprunge.us/EGKU
< 1405610861 388792 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We heard you like redundancy, so we put a verb into the URL so you can GET while you GET.
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< 1405611472 378029 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: sounds like soap
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< 1405611486 456870 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET GetFolders
< 1405611490 771269 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/fckeditor/editor
< 1405611496 151814 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/connectors/asp/connector.asp
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< 1405613024 17308 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Here's one vulnerable-webapp probe for esolangs.org today: http://sprunge.us/EGKU <-- whatever web app that is, it is not very REST
< 1405613047 632651 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it seems uncertain about the language used by the server
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< 1405617408 148354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's some (quasi-popular) WYSIWYG text editor component that has different "connectors" for different server-side stuff, I guess whoever's probing for it just wants to be portable.
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< 1405618676 213508 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1405618685 628389 :troll_detector!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v
< 1405618722 740423 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls
< 1405618728 388674 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong window
< 1405618882 843298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls ... oh wait
< 1405618894 675439 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what happened with the site?
< 1405618999 314434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://members.cloudatcost.com/index.php?fuse=admin&view=Announcements&ann_id=29  happened
< 1405619017 944273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see they claim that everything is fine now.
< 1405619036 837831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If your server is down please ensure your support ticket has the proper package selected."
< 1405619052 236355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking Gregor should probably see if something can be done, then.
< 1405619058 189636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what is fiber channel locking????)
< 1405619065 442431 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I was about to ask too
< 1405619095 680559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I could figure out, it's some sort of configuration-change synchronization thing for FC setups.
< 1405619101 507320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it sounded very strange.
< 1405619112 616868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it doesn't sound like the sort of thing that would need to happen often.
< 1405619151 40323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it smells like bs :P
< 1405619189 657207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey @cloudatcost how's that downtime going? My server's been down 8+ days now (along with a ton of other people). You're terrible."
< 1405619194 888224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Recent tweet.)
< 1405619247 259316 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to change Debian's alternatives on a per-user basis?
< 1405619273 252610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I don't have access to the cloudatcost side of things, so I can only wait and see.
< 1405619302 987630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't think so, since it's just based on updating symlinks, AFAIK.
< 1405619319 559718 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm good point
< 1405619339 572924 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what will happen if I change default from openjdk6 to openjdk7 though
< 1405619344 679596 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might break stuff
< 1405619384 562617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, /etc/alternatives is full of SQL keywords.
< 1405619397 255381 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, indeed
< 1405619398 508814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(PostgreSQL man pages.)
< 1405619400 935056 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right
< 1405619406 279162 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1405619452 452884 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I need to update java, javac and so on then :/
< 1405619479 825041 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah there is a lot of java ones
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< 1405619740 776018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, by the way, did you get the link to the Bastedalen garden photo? I think I @tell'd it at one point.
< 1405619759 995011 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not sure?
< 1405619774 124275 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah I see now
< 1405619784 515230 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes I recognize it
< 1405619809 51637 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that their restaurant?
< 1405619811 627992 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never been there
< 1405619815 172648 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks quite tasty
< 1405619818 953900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's in Stockholm.
< 1405619823 162911 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1405619828 542098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.berns.se/en/restaurant/berns-asiatiska/
< 1405619839 571316 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm... https://secure.flickr.com/photos/fizzief/14413809416/in/set-72157644793637880/ Örebro right?
< 1405619847 18690 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nikolai-kyrkan right?
< 1405619870 929958 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it?
< 1405619872 736894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Linköping, actually.
< 1405619883 261375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But based on a quick Google, it looks quite similar.
< 1405619886 906418 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1405619892 995440 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also I have been to both places
< 1405619906 522094 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Linköping one is larger though
< 1405619908 234430 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much larger
< 1405619914 211743 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hard to tell that from the picture
< 1405619931 449651 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no panoramas?
< 1405619936 998507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. There's also a photo of an arch over the river in Linköping, couldn't really find a name for it.
< 1405619951 98594 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1405619969 850649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing I'd care to put in Flickr; this is kind of a best-of set. Wasn't carrying a tripod. I'm sure I did some handheld things, though.
< 1405619971 401832 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there is a nice military aircraft museum in Linköping if you are into that sort of thing
< 1405620000 400479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some meerkat enthusiast had favourited one of the Kolmården meerkat photos.
< 1405620006 296826 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1405620043 341026 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Been many years since I last visited Kolmården
< 1405620053 811210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a similar best-of set from Japan in the Flickr account, there's a hotel-room-window panorama there from Kyoto.
< 1405620059 227582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://secure.flickr.com/photos/fizzief/sets/72157644562714080/
< 1405620074 913052 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I havbe seen that one before
< 1405620108 852043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they're earlier than the Sweden ones, I may have advertised.
< 1405620118 40702 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever considered using hugin for architectural correction? Thinking of https://secure.flickr.com/photos/fizzief/14141632609/in/set-72157644562714080 for example
< 1405620140 119280 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lets you avoid the "leaning back" effect if you want to
< 1405620147 900427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did test that out on a photo of one of the university buildings.
< 1405620151 864537 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1405620228 548958 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm anyone used the Sublime text editor? Not open source, but pretty nice I have to say after playing around with it for a while.
< 1405620282 65643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some former university acquaintances swear by it.
< 1405620299 397159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140717-img_3682-3687.jpg is a handheld panorama from Pihlajasaari, one of the islands near Helsinki.
< 1405620303 863024 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some colleagues who do the same
< 1405620327 478336 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see that the project management/workspace aspect of it is pretty nice.
< 1405620337 126250 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, very nice
< 1405620353 282135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rightmost image seems to be a bit tilted, but I can't be bothered to go fix.)
< 1405620367 86867 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, just wish I had a monitor that could display it in all it's glory. A two monitor setup of mixed monitor types is hardly ideal for this
< 1405620386 101488 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah the monitors don't even properly line up
< 1405620418 719523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither do mine. They're both 1200 pixels tall, but the other is 2 cm taller physically speaking.
< 1405620457 653078 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1405620477 437338 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I have a 1920x1200 and a 1680x1050. The former IPS the latter TN
< 1405620521 411408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140717-img_3240-3245.jpg   -- there's one more hotel-room-view one, that's from the Linköping hotel.
< 1405620565 978328 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice park
< 1405620605 248238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The palm trees were a bit incongruous.
< 1405620628 173633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume they move them off in the winter.
< 1405620638 467443 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yeah probably
< 1405620650 611309 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very... short
< 1405620656 106191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also speaking of photography, I made a thing the other week: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:387442
< 1405620672 171504 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice, you have a 3D printer?
< 1405620680 80725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I printed it at the local library.
< 1405620687 619034 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that is a cool service
< 1405620734 381285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have three (or four, but one was broken) of these Finnish-design http://www.minifactory.fi/ printers, I'm sure they've gotten them cheap for free advertising.
< 1405620743 797452 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have been traveling but I didn't take any photos really. Was too busy with other stuff.
< 1405620749 209098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's still nice. They don't even charge anything.
< 1405620757 410476 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also didn't have any camera apart from my phone with me
< 1405620765 315031 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Galaxy S3 camera isn't that great
< 1405620787 467113 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not even material?
< 1405620788 289938 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow
< 1405620861 685600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know, the printers are so slow; they've probably just decided that even with 100% utilization (during the library's opening hours) the material costs won't be all that much.
< 1405620878 963463 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1405620903 246555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it's some amount of euros/day, but I guess they have a larger budget than that.
< 1405620915 641104 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1405620975 969883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My printout took 8 hours (the entire day, pretty much) and based on some random MakerBot PLA filament retail prices, it probably cost somewhere between $1 and $10 in materials.
< 1405620991 313943 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway I'm leaving for a couple of days starting tomorrow. Going to a relative with a summer house out in the middle of the woods. But I don't see myself taking much photos.
< 1405621045 343981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No impressive landmarks?-)
< 1405621050 874341 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been taking less photos over all recently. Been more about experiencing the place in the moment instead of concentrating on photographing
< 1405621077 704145 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm going to go out by boat too, don't want to get my camera wet
< 1405621096 168092 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well canoe probably
< 1405621100 280085 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which will be a first for me
< 1405621110 776094 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not the covered kind though)
< 1405621132 950759 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :A canadian canoe I believe
< 1405621147 85439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two canoeists just died off the Helsinki coast. Uh, not to be negative or anything.
< 1405621166 846870 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I will be in a lake, not a big one either
< 1405621177 679303 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I can swim quite well. I plan on doing that as well
< 1405621193 289976 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The weather should be really nice there
< 1405621263 214565 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and no I don't think there are many landmarks around. Just lots and lots of forest.
< 1405621277 532485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That describes most of Finland, too.
< 1405621280 669816 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is really nice and restful. But not good for photos
< 1405621369 469280 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might as well bring the camera though. Since I'm going by car this time
< 1405621385 149941 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(last time I traveled I went by airplane and really didn't have space for anything extra)
< 1405621446 620691 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the hell is the charger for the camera though!?
< 1405621550 995489 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a non-standard battery so...
< 1405621604 879096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all are non-standard.
< 1405621622 399358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think compact cameras have started to do micro-USB charging recently.
< 1405621659 659089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Charging using the camera itself, I mean.)
< 1405621672 458100 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1405621674 951810 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah no
< 1405621682 572854 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :My camera is way too old for that
< 1405621729 208575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at the AC adapter for my camera (just out of curiosity), and Canon charges something like a hundred euros for it.
< 1405621755 588671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a connector in a piece of plastic shaped like the battery, and a transformer brick.
< 1405621777 552991 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1405621823 538641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/ac-adapter-kit-ack-e6   "You Pay: $153.00 -- Was: $180.00 -- You Save: $27.00"   wow, what a steal
< 1405621855 435672 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1405622183 509822 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha! found it
< 1405622457 244465 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is annoying is that the place I found the charger in I looked at a couple of times before when searching and thought "nah, it probably isn't there, and I would have to bend down to really look"
< 1405622537 969254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, if you hadn't thought that, it wouldn't have been there.
< 1405622548 384260 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a good point
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< 1405628792 671967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck
< 1405628796 484391 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :have we lost hackego as well
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< 1405629085 765816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1405629180 130250 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :were all these things on the one server or was this part of some sort of strange anti-esolang campaign
< 1405629226 953569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same server
< 1405629229 948544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(all these two things :P)
< 1405629236 79604 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 NICK :^4
< 1405629259 786405 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is
< 1405629261 932061 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fungot ok
< 1405629262 284274 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i worship these guys, i have fnord sme photos, but i
< 1405629269 385951 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope prevails
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< 1405630663 450504 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't have #esoteric without fungot
< 1405630663 799950 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ' greatest' party!! i voted for badnarik, heh.
< 1405630678 653511 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you did?
< 1405630864 246127 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I think you could've voted for yourself if you wanted to
< 1405630864 783837 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: gah i meant " gregorr tries to decide how best to make the code less readable, wouldn't you? :) i'm targetting at a game engine
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< 1405633326 707097 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
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< 1405634405 718744 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evening
< 1405634469 798392 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do lines 4-13 of https://gist.github.com/Taneb/8ff2b97774736ab43856 make me a bad person?
< 1405634512 495228 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1405634530 735027 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks
< 1405634541 882063 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How bad a person
< 1405634543 127691 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1405634614 444041 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DARE YOU!
< 1405634639 603037 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I estimate that about four protein complexes, from say your liver, will have to spend 10^18 years in Avīci for that.
< 1405634662 808928 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
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< 1405634710 874464 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck avici
< 1405634711 159824 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Buddhism, or Avichi, is the lowest Level of the Naraka or "hell" realm, into which the dead who have committed grave misdeeds may be reborn. It is said to be a cube 20,000 yojanas to a side, buried deep underneath the earth. Av+ci is often translated into English as "interminable" or "incessant", due to the idea that those beings which have been sent there languish there eternally. The other hells function more like Purgatory, where after perhaps 
< 1405634717 60440 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scaling a bit, we could say ten liver cells become hungry ghosts, or your enteric nervous system stubs its toe once.
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< 1405634843 323721 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: fyi, I have no idea how that code makes you bad hth
< 1405634882 816287 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced it's portable.
< 1405634965 834251 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would think it is
< 1405634990 734669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not portable
< 1405634994 465090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on endianness for one thing
< 1405635001 206113 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1405635003 967843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus that struct would need to be packed
< 1405635029 977202 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Packed structs is a gcc extension, no?
< 1405635066 600021 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I guess it's more common than that..
< 1405635074 814066 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :may have to upgrade to like, twelve proteins in avīci, then. sorry taneb
< 1405635076 369200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing unportable things requires unportable things, yeah
< 1405635166 735199 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to `addquote, but the lack of HackEgo is beginning to seriously misalign my chakras.
< 1405635199 250466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the things I said I hope
< 1405635217 651148 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why'd it come out as "Av+ci" btw
< 1405635228 824795 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :macrons are our friends!
< 1405635294 947349 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, the wiki, where is everything going
< 1405635356 165374 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I could, but I like Bike's protein count ^^
< 1405635385 637675 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I think they are being reincarnated. watch out for exotic frogs with unusual behaviours.
< 1405635934 808438 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you have any suggestions towards making a more portable version?
< 1405635956 849304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah: define a struct and conversion functions
< 1405635972 568079 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1405635976 492805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not much more work and it's easier to understand and it's portable
< 1405636001 146034 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't it portable
< 1405636023 870787 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at twenty minutes ago?
< 1405636063 603791 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did!
< 1405636089 98066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: one, because there can be padding between the struct elements
< 1405636109 265489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two, because there are two ways to interpret a uint16_t as two uint8_ts -- i.e. endianness
< 1405636123 80952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :three, probably some more C standards lawyer detail I'm forgetting
< 1405636125 65740 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, endianness occured to me soon after that
< 1405636144 82862 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but i mean really in this day and age)
< 1405636317 647795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPARC isn't dead!
< 1405636328 573108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er.
< 1405636331 43633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by SPARC I mean POWER
< 1405636350 231121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPARC may or may not be dead.
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< 1405637405 261607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole concept of "read a different member of a union than the one that was last written to" is only (barely) legal due to a footnote, and that in a late (C99?) standard. And even with the footnote, some people argue against it from the perspective of the strict-aliasing rules.
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< 1405637738 596417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's sort of useless to try to get that said right now.
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< 1405637781 263912 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a brilliant rollercoaster of netsplits
< 1405637790 912571 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves...
< 1405637816 765441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to get my standard quotes through again, maybe it'll break again.
< 1405637835 99038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I was saying, the footnote kinda-sorta allowing it is C11 footnote 95: "If the member used to read the contents of a union object is not the same as the member last used to store a value in the object, the appropriate part of the object representation of the value is reinterpreted as an object representation in the new type as described in 6.2.6 (a process sometimes called ``type ...
< 1405637841 138248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... punning''). This might be a trap representation."
< 1405637841 980616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And others argue that (esp. as a non-normative footnote) that still doesn't invalidate the strict-aliasing rules of C11 6.5p7: "An object shall have its stored value accessed only by an lvalue expression that has one of the following types:88) [a rather restrictive list] Footnote 88) The intent of this list is to specify those circumstances in which an object may or may not be aliased."
< 1405637874 340826 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405637894 397477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The restrictive list does include character types, but uint8_t need not be one, even if it probably usually is.
< 1405637904 158763 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1405638020 721614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1405638068 624088 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, seeing #haskell with <300 people was scary
< 1405638079 605968 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :#dfhack was down to me
< 1405638080 782562 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :just me
< 1405638088 360971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[01:56:16] -!- Irssi: #esoteric: Total of 2 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 2 normal]
< 1405638094 308928 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i felt a terrible responsibility settle on my shoulders
< 1405638104 644085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was scary too.
< 1405638225 167537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: seeing #haskell is scary
< 1405638234 919094 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that too
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< 1405642527 596631 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-52-20.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike
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< 1405647855 891110 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most numbers are really weird
< 1405647920 718458 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Name three.
< 1405648057 871189 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep
< 1405648112 266709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: most numbers are unnameable hth
< 1405648131 449874 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1405648135 785135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i feel like that was the joke :'(
< 1405648262 552740 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specker_sequence
< 1405648395 886000 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 3 is quite a weird number
< 1405648399 485552 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the first odd prime
< 1405648421 901791 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most numbers are way weirder than that
< 1405648507 204695 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, a reasonable number is something like a computable number - you can ask a program to give you the value within a certain precision (like, say, a pi calculator where you ask for N digits) and it runs in a finite amount of time
< 1405648571 483752 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1405648579 53746 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there are countably infinitely many programs, there are countably many computable numbers. which means that they are infinitely more un-computable numbers (since the real numbers are countably infinite)
< 1405648588 370722 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd say all numbers are weird
< 1405648637 286994 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about numbers in a ring, are those less weird?
< 1405648642 387391 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about 1148? i think 1148 is pretty average
< 1405648657 277300 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :works hard, drinks with his mates
< 1405648734 860371 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, natural numbers in a group, what's a group to a ring, what's a ring to a field?
< 1405648743 131417 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :41*7*4
< 1405648744 97158 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a field to an art historian?
< 1405648861 266378 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something to encrypt his data and error-correct his CDs?
< 1405649697 720537 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to think of what more questions to add into the "Quiz of Many zzo38's Questions"? I have actually added some already, but it doesn't have enough questions yet.
< 1405650456 450405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you say about numbers, you should say if you mean natural numbers, real numbers, complex numbers, etc
< 1405650520 551313 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem!
< 1405650733 529044 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The world is a scary place right now :(
< 1405650783 58250 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of it is minerals.
< 1405650809 885833 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been worse
< 1405650908 196537 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least communism isn't really a thing anymore
< 1405650953 276457 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: https://twitter.com/Plane_Talking/status/489843455192227840
< 1405650983 908630 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, I was more referring to the shit going down in Gaza
< 1405651001 395874 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the other one
< 1405651023 123423 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the third one is the white house suspect package shutdown thing
< 1405651048 797015 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't heard that
< 1405651094 451007 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Summary?
< 1405651154 880661 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they found something weird on a white house lawn, did usual security things in response
< 1405651177 223732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was probably communists
< 1405651923 568780 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, it's suddenly almost 5 am
< 1405651926 309031 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bed is a mile away
< 1405651983 593790 :newsham_!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily tomorrow is a week long so you have time to get there
< 1405652071 985483 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham_, I have essentially no commitments until the end of September so I could in theory just stay here
< 1405652085 565644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: um, it's 4 am
< 1405652091 258723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3:54 rather
< 1405652115 157966 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes, that one
< 1405652127 732831 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHICH IS ONLY AN HOUR AWAY FROM FIVE AM
< 1405652141 199872 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, if I wait an hour I can catch the sunrise
< 1405652179 864554 :newsham_!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way the morning broke was quite unusual...
< 1405652505 164632 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That feels like the first half of a quote
< 1405652717 630676 :newsham_!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. odd..  android apps will be able to run in chromeos soon
< 1405652777 644469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have eighteen questions in this quiz file. See if you can answer them or at least to guess.
< 1405652814 974533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I guess "Yes" on all of them.
< 1405652825 753250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did I do?
< 1405652834 400598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Sorry, you got all of the questions wrong.
< 1405652870 783760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, whoa, whoa, we were supposed to get them right too?
< 1405652890 321490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should try to read the questions at first. And then, yes, to try to get them right too.
< 1405652905 44917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I read the questions?
< 1405652911 85591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to use gopher.
< 1405653021 937192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then wait a minute
< 1405653436 883963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/TeXX
< 1405653442 682482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are the questions!
< 1405653463 849779 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, I've reached morning twilight
< 1405653478 251470 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm still sat here in a university computer lab doing a whole lot of nothing
< 1405653708 808767 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you like these kind of questions? "Yes" isn't even one of the choices!!!
< 1405653722 388703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :("No" also isn't even one of the choices!!!)
< 1405653728 971136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Can I use a reference to answer them?
< 1405653755 296544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That is kind of like cheating, so try first to do it without a reference.
< 1405653775 385964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too late, I already looked up the answer to one of the questions.
< 1405653783 618655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But let me simulate a version of myself that didn't look it up.
< 1405653788 345619 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then revise it with a reference afterward if you prefer, but I would like to see your first guesses too.
< 1405653814 268873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, I can't even refer to earlier questions in the same quiz?
< 1405653856 338561 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computer is supposed to ask you one at a time, but since it is like this, you can print out and refer to the same quiz if you want to, even though it isn't designed that way at first.
< 1405653927 78038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want, send me your answers in the private; I can tell you how many is correct. Make it public too if you want to, but perhaps you shouldn't in case other people want to try it independently instead.
< 1405654021 396671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I would like to see your initial decisions and opinions too!
< 1405654184 687307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this?
< 1405654202 804522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly "I don't know".
< 1405654243 1350 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the questions that you don't know, try to make a good guess, I suppose.
< 1405654331 836339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :please add "How do you make a slow horse fast?"
< 1405654335 299253 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION --> watching the sunrise
< 1405654339 750813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to see the options for that question
< 1405654368 795605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't know!
< 1405654403 139746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :try to make a good guess
< 1405654423 295827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1405654442 311033 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is, if they won't eat then it is fasting
< 1405654490 840550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are your answers in this quiz so far though?
< 1405655128 331043 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This campus seems to have been designed specifically to prevent people watching the sunlight
< 1405655131 195639 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sunrise
< 1405655618 486681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have a Commodore 64 program which consists of 256 bytes to load starting at $500 and the rest to load starting at $D00, how to convert that into a disk image?
< 1405655668 893061 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :  The whole concept of "read a different member of a union than the one that was last written to" is only (barely) legal due to a footnote, and that in a late (C99?) standard. And even with the footnote, some people argue against it from the perspective of the strict-aliasing rules.
< 1405655688 12322 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, The issue is that it can be very useful, and I don't really know a good alternative in C
< 1405655695 638889 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ has reinterpret_cast of course
< 1405655699 471903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think the GNU C compiler documentation says that it is specifically allowed.
< 1405655701 115965 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But C? Not so much
< 1405655738 275604 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, oh yes, GCC allows it. So does Clang. But from a standard perspective it is definitely a murky area
< 1405655773 781049 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1405655915 234370 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hbd
< 1405656173 688452 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405656193 405618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: memcpy through char* is allowed, right?
< 1405656278 312351 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :having to call out to the library just to look at some bytes in a new light seems like kind of a bummer
< 1405656281 391217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :T x = ...; U y; char c[sizeof x]; memcpy(c, (char *) &x, sizeof x); memcpy((char *) &y, c, sizeof x); or something at least
< 1405656288 356546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well, you can implement memcpy yourself
< 1405656298 168691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose memcpy((char *) &y, (char *) &x, sizeof x) should be okay too
< 1405656329 634430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for (int i = 0; i < sizeof x; i++) ((char *)&y)[i] = ((char *)&x)[i]; if you want to avoid memcpy I guess
< 1405656337 548315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why
< 1405656357 275989 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that works for whatever types x and y are?
< 1405656418 378808 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i don't care really, i shouldn't talk about these things so far outside my future experience
< 1405656722 993790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're allowed to view any object through (char *)
< 1405656739 426655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise how would you write memcpy?
< 1405656747 21185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes two pointers to anything (void *) and copies
< 1405656756 180057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does this by casting the pointers to (char *) internally
< 1405656762 914416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it can copy the objects byte-by-byte, whatever they are
< 1405658273 44996 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VERSION
< 1405658273 263933 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net NOTICE #esoteric :VERSION SimpleIRC v0.3
< 1405658277 119441 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plsno
< 1405658283 300137 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+C this channel or i kill everyone
< 1405658300 648173 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many irssi users :o
< 1405658318 594259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: stop it
< 1405658329 613152 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, ;-; sowee
< 1405658413 148576 :Shubshub!IceChat9@0.217.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405658416 596643 :Shubshub!IceChat9@0.217.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey
< 1405658444 740376 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shubshub, i can read your mind
< 1405658448 265646 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are using.....
< 1405658450 686186 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IceChat!
< 1405658453 876865 :Shubshub!IceChat9@0.217.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :No shit
< 1405658458 491372 :Shubshub!IceChat9@0.217.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Ident does say that
< 1405658484 673361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is in the username too
< 1405658491 300151 :Shubshub!IceChat9@0.217.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz QUIT :Client Quit
< 1405658504 271655 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o/
< 1405658504 896595 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bai
< 1405658522 837057 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, wtf?
< 1405658523 495647 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Ping reply from 18zzo38: 241405608507.670 second(s)
< 1405658586 415643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: what are you doing here
< 1405658609 83653 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, typing
< 1405658640 885272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric
< 1405658698 667686 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you type fast?
< 1405658800 712605 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, idk
< 1405658812 608414 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :define fast because i type faster than everyone i know
< 1405658853 336831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How fast is that?
< 1405659420 560322 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :take one of those typing speed tests
< 1405659423 880416 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :get your wpm
< 1405659961 827458 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: memcpy through char* is allowed, right? <-- Hm true
< 1405660012 121284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405660018 682984 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I guess it could be less optimised than a simple union conversion though. GCC probably would optimise it, but still, for some implementations it might involve a function call
< 1405660026 692907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: are you the person that i talked to about categories in here a while ago or was it someone else
< 1405660037 532497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you allowed to read object as a different type if both types are volatile?
< 1405660039 762553 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man the strict aliasing stuff
< 1405660040 360072 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may have been me
< 1405660044 492654 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I think it was
< 1405660062 704805 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :volatile I'm not sure guarantees much safety at all
< 1405660077 577394 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I don't think volatile changes that stuff at all
< 1405660090 600849 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost a comment by now
< 1405660112 516621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i don't remember what you do and don't know so it's hard to figure out what to recommend
< 1405660116 272705 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does gcc deal with pointer aliasing anyways?
< 1405660121 236770 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, well, I used it for stuff aliasing hardware registers when programming on bare metal
< 1405660133 55717 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the one place I've seen it
< 1405660156 253811 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I'm between 1st and 2nd year at university doing maths and computer science
< 1405660158 182511 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though doing that probably takes a memory barrier on x86 by now
< 1405660163 328790 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, I have also seen it in multi-threading context, for use with stuff like compare and exchange and so on
< 1405660180 326777 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal : for multithreading you shouldn't use volatile I think
< 1405660186 311841 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should use mutexes
< 1405660199 993794 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, I said for compare and exchange, locked such
< 1405660203 400166 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :atomic operations
< 1405660210 742369 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I ought to get some sleep just in case anyone comes round.
< 1405660239 170210 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, you know LOCK CMPXCHG16 and similar instructions on x86
< 1405660248 344457 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :msvc lets you interpret volatile in multiple ways o_O
< 1405660252 807643 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1405660289 336716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that doesn't help much
< 1405660304 342342 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The volatile keyword in C++11 ISO Standard code is to be used only for hardware access; do not use it for inter-thread communication."
< 1405660316 185288 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I don't get much in the way of options until third year
< 1405660335 549422 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure there's no guarantee that volatile compares into a cmpxchg
< 1405660341 864523 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a vague interest in functional programming, mostly because of this channel
< 1405660356 182389 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh applications where mutex isn't the solution are rare
< 1405660360 92249 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, hm. The location I saw it used for threading stuff was in legacy Windows C++ code iirc
< 1405660360 302047 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I like group theory?
< 1405660372 326450 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal : legacy?
< 1405660383 630373 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in pre ~1996?
< 1405660385 807848 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, as in years and years of old stuff in the massive code base
< 1405660387 787296 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1405660392 801897 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like 2000
< 1405660398 382278 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1405660400 506110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think volatile read/writes should be used to mean that volatile reads/writes can be neither reordered nor optimized out, so it is then considered similar to like an external subroutine call.
< 1405660421 461434 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm also pretty terrible at, like, life and stuff
< 1405660421 735535 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, Anyway I used non-mutex syncronization, but then I work on real-time control systems
< 1405660438 166261 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah exactly
< 1405660447 567639 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes just notifying a thread about something using a mutex is too much overhead
< 1405660449 854563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never used multithreading except for audio with SDL
< 1405660466 725003 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I also am not here any more
< 1405660478 941877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the case of SDL there are function calls for the case of locking and unlocking the audio thread.
< 1405660482 419773 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do audio code so it's about the same thing, multithreading for audio
< 1405660535 972261 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people avoid all memory allocation and mutexes when dealing with audio threads
< 1405660546 468196 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they have to work at low latencies
< 1405660616 556004 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, oh yeah memory allocations can be quite annoying, at least I'm not working on a low-power real-time system. We are basically using Pentiums.
< 1405660625 646342 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARMs?
< 1405660631 84038 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really
< 1405660635 324168 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why should we need to?
< 1405660635 996419 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power is not an issue when you have a 1000 V three-phase AC connection driving the equipment anyway
< 1405660649 427215 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mining equipment)
< 1405660676 963980 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just assuming ARM since they're the popular embedded arch of the day
< 1405660691 931727 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, I believe there are some plans on using ARM in the future though
< 1405660733 662214 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for now it is all x86, about 1 GHz, 512 MB RAM. Really rugged industrial PCs basically. With CAN and all that jazz.
< 1405660748 963010 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1405660819 546221 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :audio is like all floating point and sorta number-crunchy, but also real-time and kinda video game-like
< 1405660821 106715 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, Someone told me that the only way to get more rugged is to get hardware intended for space. I mean we have to deal with some really bad environments... Humid +50 C with salt water running over the stuff. As well as -50 C in Siberia above ground
< 1405660870 885776 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the latency that it has to respond at?
< 1405660920 25701 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have IO read/write cycles times of 40 ms to 80 ms depending on the product. That is what drives most stuff in the system.
< 1405660931 136914 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pro audio often uses 96 sample buffers. at 44.1khz, that's 2ms
< 1405660943 968948 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you don't have to do quite so many things though
< 1405660950 252872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like ARM though
< 1405660957 135769 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why not?
< 1405660980 454060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think past the first version is too complicated, like x86 also is past the first few versions
< 1405660986 704562 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, we have to (depending on product again) calculate how to move an articulated robot arm, drive around obstacles and so on.
< 1405660996 383717 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : that's like every cpu
< 1405661047 807290 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : once you add an MMU and an FPU (ie make it actually useful) they all turn into sprawling architectures
< 1405661059 415735 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh true
< 1405661121 862864 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention a 64bit version
< 1405661136 910600 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a simd instruction set or two
< 1405661142 423332 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, also: fuck hydraulics. It is just annoying
< 1405661166 564543 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you kill someone if your code explodes?
< 1405661178 451966 :MoALTz__!~no@user-46-112-11-132.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1405661221 519125 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, well, we do have heartbeats that will close down all IO if it is skipped and so on. But yes in theory a bug could have some really bad consequences.
< 1405661233 397032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be done without MMU and FPU
< 1405661262 639928 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : without an MMU you're ok if you're doing, like, a nintendo DS or something like that
< 1405661285 717772 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, There are of course physical emergency stop circuits and so on that won't fail, but still, there could be some danger yes.
< 1405661293 565559 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you have multitasking, that is over and you need an MMU
< 1405661328 244511 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal : still kinda cool
< 1405661350 899502 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like everything that isn't java enterprise servers and the like :o
< 1405661354 245305 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, I think there is probably more safety features than on a car. I never seen an emergency stop button for all the computers in a car!
< 1405661379 263757 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, Well it is C++. And boost to some extent. Fuck boost.
< 1405661385 667426 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man
< 1405661396 874222 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah vaguely heard about boost
< 1405661410 374679 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Qt for GUI.
< 1405661423 138273 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh shit once you add once small piece you have the whole shebang and it compiles super slow"
< 1405661452 711131 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, it is the link times that kill it. We are switching platforms to Linux currently. The old RTOS only supported static linking.
< 1405661458 113179 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal : does QT do the job ok?
< 1405661468 124436 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, eh, it is ok
< 1405661491 586146 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one I've used was java's swing and it's kindof horrible
< 1405661502 683985 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it's superficially okay
< 1405661526 292096 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm sure for enterprise software that nobody cares if it works sorta wonky, it's fine
< 1405661550 408863 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like none of its gui components are the real thing and they all work subtly wrong
< 1405661597 447923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make task switching in other ways too which are done by software; depending on the system it might be workable, although this is only for saving tasks rather than having multiples at once in an easy way, unless you run them on separate CPUs.
< 1405661619 523532 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, anyway compile and link times on Linux are so much better than the old RTOS. We had Windows CE for some modules, that really unknown RTOS for some other. All built using MSVC 2005. That was slow to compile, even when distributed over the network.
< 1405661619 703919 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're trying to do a tight productivity app it's not going to work out ok if you use swing and will probably end up overriding everything
< 1405661619 884950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think is good idea to have separate processors for separate tasks.
< 1405661667 929897 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, heh
< 1405661679 693730 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : MMUs give you virtual memory basically
< 1405661686 369635 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what, you mean running one thread per CPU?
< 1405661689 1862 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems insane
< 1405661700 376603 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also they generally prevent memory fragmentation
< 1405661721 897695 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps aux indicates my system is running 316 processes. And god knows how many thread.
< 1405661726 172992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes it is what I mean
< 1405661729 329698 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would love having 316 cores...
< 1405661758 457036 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ps Haux | wc -l
< 1405661758 675629 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :733
< 1405661759 580558 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes, but I am meaning you would do it without virtual memory, so you don't use MMU
< 1405661765 1113 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 733 threads
< 1405661784 345263 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then when you run out of ram, instead of just going slow, everything crashes?
< 1405661792 553322 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that seems stupid. Virtual memory helps isolate processes, limiting the scope of errors
< 1405661797 893282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then your system is too complicated; Windows and Linux system get too complicated.
< 1405661804 880309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Any new programs won't start!
< 1405661818 574495 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : what about allready running programs
< 1405661831 376319 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :malloc will fail and they will explode
< 1405661883 559713 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, virtual memory does not imply swap though.
< 1405661901 759804 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swap requires it yes, at least as commonly implemented
< 1405661940 535924 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think we are mixing up "virtual memory", "swap" and "over committing" here.
< 1405661946 693111 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, if you're doing a non-multithreading platform
< 1405661952 234351 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like an embedded ap
< 1405661961 244283 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a Gameboy advance
< 1405661967 607078 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, embedded systems are probably multi-threaded
< 1405661985 692896 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, some really low level kind of system probably without an OS
< 1405661989 374754 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm true
< 1405661994 749959 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you don't need an MMU
< 1405662005 864108 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I guess all the controllers for dish-washers and so on
< 1405662029 61863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would want to do it without OS; just the BIOS is used.
< 1405662051 582731 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, BIOS? You are kidding me. An embedded SOC doesn't have a BIOS
< 1405662071 299854 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'm not sure BIOSes make that much sense anymore
< 1405662076 162128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is then up to an individual program if it supports other programs it can call in the same memory.
< 1405662087 851821 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I think it does and is important.
< 1405662093 310437 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have anything on a SOC except the instruction set and some special addresses or such that will control the GPIO states
< 1405662101 907894 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it needs to get the system to boot, yes
< 1405662106 716547 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but past that?
< 1405662119 151111 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, a SOC doesn't have a BIOS to boot it...
< 1405662145 709937 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just has an entry point into the executable NOR flash. And it is probably a Harvard architecture
< 1405662146 708467 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal : true but it doesn't have to read the program off some mechanical drive :D
< 1405662150 429356 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think AVR or PIC
< 1405662155 315661 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1405662156 352608 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405662171 642224 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 STRSTART 'H' 'E' 'L' 'L' 'O' ' ' 'W' 'O' 'R' 'L' 'D' '!' STREND 1 BEGIN 2 READCHAR OUTVAL 1 DROP END START !1 @ISINPUT WHILE END
< 1405662182 389379 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, Btw, have I ever mentioned how boring Harvard architectures are?
< 1405662191 662222 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric enough for you?
< 1405662192 734991 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal : no?
< 1405662199 104854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: The BIOS would be used for some hardware access too, and you don't need to use operating system, just BIOS.
< 1405662206 204728 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, They pretty much prevent self-modifying code
< 1405662213 660605 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal : true
< 1405662235 163518 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal : but to do a fast cpu you need a separate instruction and data cache
< 1405662241 68687 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :like my pathetic attempt at code?
< 1405662247 655176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, although a Restricted Harvard can be useful if you want to be able to convert into other instruction sets; a plain Harvard won't, though, so it isn't so useful.
< 1405662278 793959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SchrodingersCat: Can you explain it better then?
< 1405662287 942512 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet
< 1405662295 600981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1405662302 332971 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, true, but at least it still supports self-modification to some extent. And loading new code into memory
< 1405662306 986255 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sorta pseudocode at the moment
< 1405662315 635460 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal : oh, right
< 1405662321 931795 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :SchrodingersCat, what language is it?
< 1405662330 129640 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :my own
< 1405662333 211966 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1405662347 179668 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :SchrodingersCat, some sort of stack based language?
< 1405662369 643578 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me a bit of Forth
< 1405662389 55803 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :a stack-oriented language that exists only in a few sheets of a small notebook
< 1405662413 825760 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : anyhow, does it have multitasking?
< 1405662433 851127 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on RPN
< 1405662469 962606 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1405662513 690529 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it doesn't have multitasking, you can live without an MMU. if it has multitasking... you probably need an MMU or else you will cry
< 1405662560 225256 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, windows 3.0 does it without (it runs on a 286 after all) but it's also well known for being a buggy POS
< 1405662567 318485 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restricted Harvard = a harvard architecture with the following restrictions:  * You cannot set the program counter to arbitrary data; it has to be read from "program address registers" which are read from "program address memory" (or immediate operands) and no arithmetic is possible.  * You cannot read/write program data; only execution is possible. Loading is only possible atomically to program code.
< 1405662637 829597 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: It doesn't have multitasking, although it has task saving (which is slower though). The software will have to implement its own multitasking if it requires it.
< 1405662679 125947 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :task saving?
< 1405662702 366147 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for FPUs
< 1405662708 487351 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can live without an FPU
< 1405662715 480365 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all ARM did it for years
< 1405662748 822420 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are just incredibly nice to have
< 1405662869 724333 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :take an architecture, add an MMU and a FPU
< 1405662886 365278 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the nicest you can make such an architecture?
< 1405662913 495190 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like a MIPS
< 1405662932 547298 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not very much less complex than ARM
< 1405662976 807942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For task saving, well, it mean the BIOS can save the entire state of the system to disk, and then it is turned off, the file is copied to a new hard disk, placed in a new system with the same or more RAM/speed/etc, ensure its permissions are set to the same level as before, attach all the same peripherals and turn it on and load the system image and the program will just continue where it left off as if nothing unusual has ever happened.
< 1405663012 875079 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, once you start going out of order, all the architectures sorta become the same
< 1405663054 300642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like out of order execution; it is a terrible idea. The compiler should make up the order, or the programmer if in assembly language.
< 1405663104 36639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have a supervisor and user mode; the user mode means that the top half of the address space is a mirror of the lower one instead of the actual top area, therefore the BIOS is protected in such a way. Any hardware accessible directly by user code is mapped in the low half.
< 1405663152 97097 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it really need that if it's not multitasking?
< 1405663165 378204 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're only running one program at the time
< 1405663172 70498 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like you need to protect the OS
< 1405663253 163259 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of order execution I'm not sure exactly how much speed difference it makes
< 1405663282 97175 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it essentially exists because you don't know which memory accesses are going to be fast and fall in ca
< 1405663287 727817 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :che
< 1405663301 880079 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which ones are going to miss and end up in slow RAM
< 1405663319 201170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it does need to be protected. Therefore newer versions can emulate older versions precisely because the program cannot check. Also, the user with physical access can then program the BIOS to lie about whatever you want.
< 1405663329 847975 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the art of the pentium2 and its zillion descendents is to keep the processor going once you have a cache miss
< 1405663337 751053 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like hyperthreading
< 1405663363 934980 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which on paper is a stupid idea
< 1405663367 34755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: It is why you should instead make programming the cache explicitly. Such thing also ensures the same timing and everything with newer versions of the system.
< 1405663389 375093 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and exists solely because if you have 2 threads on once core, you can swap in the other thread once you have a cache miss
< 1405663473 621545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't you just use interrupts to time them instead?
< 1405663509 792976 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : like, windows 3.0 does it without (it runs on a 286 after all) but it's also well known for being a buggy POS
< 1405663518 600438 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't forget the classic Mac OS
< 1405663543 896385 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was buggy too, and it did multi-tasking without using the MMU
< 1405663556 790892 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not too familiar with that one
< 1405663564 916640 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't it have like... memory compacting :O
< 1405663580 280372 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it did
< 1405663585 79914 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :You had handles and what not
< 1405663603 311514 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cooperative multi-tasking too
< 1405663670 290371 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also no 320x200 and no hardware scrolling
< 1405663677 987342 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck making a game :(
< 1405663689 663585 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, Anyway each program had a contiguous memory block. If they were awkwardly spaced, you could sometimes not start a program even if enough free memory existed
< 1405663691 134603 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm?
< 1405663707 662932 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :My old iBook running classic MacOS used 800x600 for resolution
< 1405663726 398954 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And had an early ATI GPU
< 1405663745 731484 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's much later no?
< 1405663746 758564 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 MB RAM (upgraded to a massive 64 MB!)
< 1405663757 556162 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the windows 95 of MACs :D
< 1405663760 30319 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, that is about 2000. Remember those brightly coloured iMacs and such?
< 1405663766 694200 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That era
< 1405663767 702503 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPC
< 1405663771 557993 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :300 MHz CPU
< 1405663773 651123 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1405663789 229676 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, this was the brightly coloured iBook
< 1405663858 813402 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, it still didn't use the MMU that actually existed
< 1405663866 563086 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1405663868 522325 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy
< 1405663878 701639 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backwards compatibility
< 1405663901 181512 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing can still run 68k programs through some sort of emulation layer built into the system
< 1405663910 460311 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is programs from the Motorola age
< 1405663934 746858 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it can leave that in crazy land and use the mmu for actual ppc programs no?
< 1405663946 276013 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it could, but it doesn't
< 1405663947 514555 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kindof like how windows 9x handles DOS programs
< 1405663950 484375 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food
< 1405664647 345954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to like the 6502 so I still write programs for it. A lot of people still write programs for 6502, I expect.
< 1405664777 445975 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :6502 doesn't try to do multithreading
< 1405664792 337084 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the 65816 on appleIIgs
< 1405664800 353133 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kinda scary tbh :D
< 1405664809 129020 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a low resolution version of mac os
< 1405664963 760190 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used a Apple IIgs computer once, although without any GUI functions.
< 1405665160 486262 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^0
< 1405665694 601155 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl, going out of town for a few days
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< 1405665891 112171 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :part
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< 1405670219 530674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a musical notation for the 1 to 32 undertone scale?
< 1405670264 352864 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Magic 2015 rules update bulletin is out: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-2015-update-bulletin-2014-07-17
< 1405670274 810446 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says conspire comes with a rules change too, not just a reminder text change
< 1405670278 332538 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1405670279 731894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/conspire/convoke
< 1405670541 527843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: How did Angel of Fury work previously?
< 1405670569 476667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you were the controller but not the owner, and it died, nothing would happen?
< 1405670575 684791 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I believe yes
< 1405670601 126599 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that card is strange, how can a Portal card have such an ability in first place?
< 1405670610 568704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A card can't ever go into a graveyard or library of someone other than its owner, right?
< 1405670622 738994 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes 
< 1405670629 640114 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hand too)
< 1405670955 132800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This game is too complicated.
< 1405671301 648726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, and the rules are too klugy too and not very mathematically elegant.
< 1405671310 817221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes.
< 1405671344 262586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you make a game with the same general benefits but with rules that are mathematically elegant?
< 1405671351 166130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whatever that means.)
< 1405671383 384675 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have several ideas about such a variant of Magic: the Gathering actually.
< 1405671545 928570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I would do is to remove the rules about auras that are also creatures being discarded. I would add back mana burn for strategic reasons. Card types would share subtypes, and none of them having special effects by default. The rule where tokens cease to exist out of play would be replaced with one dealing with initial state of objects. Rules for how different card types are played would differ. Many other things too.
< 1405671660 684810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems awfully specific.
< 1405671724 657017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like the rule where +1/+1 counters and -1/-1 counters remove each other, so that would also be removed.
< 1405671749 960860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that rule seems like a scow.
< 1405671821 708611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially with e.g. +0/+1 counters and -0/-1 counters not behaving the same way.
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< 1405671841 802013 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that rule with +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters is very practical even if not nice
< 1405671865 362568 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's one rule I'd like to drop, it's the lost all targets spell fizzle rule.
< 1405671876 877851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes I know, but you should just use two different colors
< 1405671899 241658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It's particularly annoying when that rule applies even for a spell that says "up to one target".
< 1405671966 947790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some rules, specifically the land type change rule, could be helped a great deal with reminder text: in particular I think it was a mistake to print Spreading Seas without a reminder text, as they should have known this from previous cards
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< 1405672016 687240 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :notice 9th edition Sea's Claim that has two lines of reminder text for "Enchant land" but nothing about the "is and Island" magic
< 1405672033 56416 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it has a great piece of flavor text
< 1405672249 464714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would instead use the following rules for playing a card from your hand: One rule simply gives all instants flash. One says how any card with a mana cost can be played onto the stack. One rule says how lands can also be played at particular types directly into play without paying their mana cost. Furthermore, when the top object of the stack resolves, it goes into play when it finishes resolving; if it didn't go anywhere, it is discarded.
< 1405672348 873996 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gives all instants flash" is like that joke for giving all creatures without first strike the new ability "strike" so they can deal combat damage
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< 1405672429 877058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a creature with first strike didn't deal combat damage in the first strike combat damage step, it deals damage in the main combat damage step
< 1405672436 679674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found out
< 1405672502 281939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, maybe that wording isn't precisely true
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< 1405672580 393098 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, I think that's only the old rule
< 1405672583 686576 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't they changed that?
< 1405672601 307505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1405672627 27460 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this about the case when the creature gains first strike after the first strike step, or when it gains nonzero power but always had first strike?
< 1405672642 205619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant the first one.
< 1405672649 743165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about the second one after writing that.
< 1405672679 259208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second one doesn't work, I think. I.e. if it gains nonzero power it still doesn't deal damage.
< 1405672682 764775 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one hasn't changed, and I think it's correct, the creature should try to deal damage then
< 1405672683 702882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like the implementation of planeswalkers, or the name. The idea is OK, though.
< 1405672705 873144 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one used to be broken, in that case the creature did try to deal damage again, but I think this was fixed and doesn't anymore
< 1405672726 897062 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name "planeswalker"? 
< 1405672731 228785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, which one?
< 1405672733 489992 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? not because of "plainswalk" right?
< 1405672771 396189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is because of confusion with "plainswalk".
< 1405672907 876032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: You mean it used to be that if a creature gained nonzero power after the first combat damage step, it would deal damage in the second one?
< 1405672927 317840 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think so, but I'm not completely sure
< 1405672954 551831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
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< 1405677590 529031 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we're basically waiting for Gregor to wake up and get things fixed?
< 1405677646 167482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so.
< 1405677684 967486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also possible he's already complained to the cloud and they haven't fixed it.
< 1405677685 164558 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :his 4 day sleep-ins are a bit unnerving.
< 1405677709 808138 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose.
< 1405677758 133064 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or he has complained, they've fixed it, and he just needs to reboot?
< 1405677929 14592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also a possibility.
< 1405678005 76251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just think of all the lost esolangs.org revenue this downtime is causing. It is a shying crame.
< 1405678142 13714 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google crame
< 1405678142 725203 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Crame
< 1405678142 916978 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Camp Crame - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
< 1405678164 888762 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn crame
< 1405678166 991761 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "crame".
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< 1405679284 517291 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : and clog i guess <-- yes.
< 1405679768 91009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where was that from? 
< 1405679776 165304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or about.
< 1405679832 871037 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: *MWAHAHAHA*
< 1405679839 329899 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will never know.
< 1405679873 937235 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was from this channel hth)
< 1405680113 846002 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : And I'm still sat here in a university computer lab doing a whole lot of nothing <-- ah i remember those times.
< 1405680146 959913 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: you may get a permanently damaged sleeping schedule.
< 1405680362 880928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must've been during a split or something.
< 1405680376 714543 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct!
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< 1405680772 629203 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes Taneb in the sleep schedule
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< 1405692563 689169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. The exported citation is saying "pages 1-4", and I can't be sure if it's for reals (sounds unlikely), or just some sort of a dummy entry.
< 1405692597 284204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :PDF has no page numbers, and the ToC of the e-proceedings in ieeexplore doesn't have them either.
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< 1405693054 439699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is cloudatcost still fucked?
< 1405693097 186638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can I, like, pay you to prepare a DigitalOcean server to be ready for it once you get the data off? :p
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< 1405693703 317847 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is _possible_ it's only still fucked because Gregor isn't around to reboot it.
< 1405693735 68882 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(trying to keep some remaining belief in humanity here.)
< 1405693745 865239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, I am willing to throw some money at not having esolangs.org down for days because of an incompetent undercharging provider and an oversleeper again :P
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< 1405694762 592628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's assuming quite a lot of my response times.
< 1405694774 857658 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he's on a two week long vacatoin
< 1405694780 138596 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you know your only real solution is to take it back hth
< 1405694783 549432 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or a six week long one. I hear myths about such things.)
< 1405694803 477091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, DO probably won't require the manual rebooting so much.
< 1405694808 528276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: never happening
< 1405694922 181412 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i know, but i also know you'll never be satisfied with anyone else's work >:)
< 1405694941 421223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my secret is I no longer care that much :P
< 1405694954 755749 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right.
< 1405694961 345818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, one of my secrets. that would be a pretty lame only secret to have
< 1405694985 868997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my secrets is 1.
< 1405694989 393399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a 1-bit secret.)
< 1405695010 146631 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop giving me `addquote withdrawals
< 1405695123 831995 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why am i not eating
< 1405695345 965587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ask myself that a lot too :/
< 1405695417 821981 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is, whenever you ask that, go get some food.
< 1405695454 747560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if an email to Erg Gor would help; maybe it's just a vacayshun from IRC.
< 1405695502 83255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need him on pager
< 1405695506 636064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's work
< 1405695603 17531 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reminded of the norwegian saying "å sulte ihjel ved brødboksen"
< 1405695745 994715 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(stereotypically this happens to traditional men when their wives are away)
< 1405695798 462956 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: just search at the nearest MLP convention hth
< 1405695827 501642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still associate that to a multilayer perceptron first and foremost.
< 1405695851 333773 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a sign that you need to combine them somehow.
< 1405695894 58316 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405695975 545096 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it actually happened to kurt gödel.
< 1405696583 3520 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-24065.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405696803 148542 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rq
< 1405696812 694247 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1405696815 824212 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1405697147 230905 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: sorry, but HackEgo won't be back until Gregor finishes his 6 week (estimated) vacation.
< 1405697220 49582 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the estimate is murphy's law powered.)
< 1405697293 973383 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what will i do
< 1405697335 469743 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :despair, sackcloth and ashes, that sort of thing.
< 1405697477 622811 :hkt!972a0952@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.42.9.82 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405698033 797488 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Etc. etc.
< 1405698050 925575 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a file on my computer which claims to be a Playstation emulator for GameBoy.
< 1405698142 845359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure that it is actually capable of anything other than saying it is loading the BIOS and then displaying an unknown opcode error.
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< 1405698335 641225 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it for the original GameBoy? 
< 1405698364 994186 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1405698440 149929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it sounds very suspicious.
< 1405698452 645325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know that.
< 1405699104 36690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it expect you to get the disc in
< 1405699176 785670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly appending it to the stub, although I do not really expect that to work; for one thing it probably won't fit.
< 1405699986 351239 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should disassemble the 'emulator'
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< 1405705901 553137 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, another thing I would do to improve Magic: the Gathering is, to make it to have first-class "entities". Entities include objects, players, units of mana (because of possible restrictions on their use), "disembodied" effects, and the state of the system as a whole. They also are given timestamps: the whole state is given the earliest timestamp, followed by the players in turn order.
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< 1405706719 527044 :Exio!~exio4@unaffiliated/hacker PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
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< 1405706817 529875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you tell a C program to include itself regardless of filename?
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< 1405707673 250005 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea if this is how it will look:
< 1405707676 417761 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 STRSTART 'H' 'E' 'L''L' 'O' ' ' 'W' 'O' 'R' 'L' 'D' STREND 2 SUBSTART 3 READCHAR OUTCHAR SUBEND 1 SUBSTART 3 ISCHAR SUBEND 0 SUBSTART 2 BRUN DROP 1 BRUN SUBEND START 1 RUN 0 BRWHILE DROP END
< 1405707775 84667 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "BRUN"s are supposed to be "RUN"s
< 1405707821 877556 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the BRWHILE is supposed to be an RWHILE
< 1405707860 633950 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :make any sense yet?
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< 1405710306 354158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SchrodingersCat: Not quite exactly yet
< 1405710395 763131 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than before?
< 1405710441 962458 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me pastebin the newest version
< 1405710444 349668 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
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< 1405710564 139113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can explain a bit?
< 1405710578 940586 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/Vec1YNFV
< 1405710592 842493 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :try reading this first
< 1405710691 685874 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :USPL literally means "Unnamed Stack Programming Language"
< 1405710793 809315 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far, there is a setup with a primary stack, multiple substacks, and multiple streams
< 1405710804 661650 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only one stream is in this example
< 1405710823 633121 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all based on reverse polish notation
< 1405710920 905797 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda
< 1405710989 562358 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, like 1 2 3 * +
< 1405711037 837712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know that kind of stuff
< 1405711065 956517 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of those commands listed in the example are undefined variants of commands i have written down
< 1405711090 786316 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i could quickly create definitions for them
< 1405711295 889956 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets say that variable 3, written as 3*, has value 6. 3*& would therefore be equal to 6
< 1405711588 969109 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if(3* == 4*) then run substack 5 else run substack 4" i think becomes: 3*& 4*& TEST 5! IF INVERT 6! IF DROP
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< 1405711630 595034 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :INVERT turns true to false and vice versa
< 1405711671 602726 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me demonstrate the stack
< 1405711681 209502 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :3*& 4*& TEST 5! IF INVERT 6! IF DROP
< 1405711691 732510 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :FALSE 5! IF INVERT 6! IF DROP
< 1405711701 185922 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :FALSE INVERT 6! IF DROP
< 1405711717 256404 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRUE 6! IF DROP
< 1405711738 886123 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(runs substack 6)
< 1405711745 574058 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRUE DROP
< 1405711756 354219 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(blank stack)
< 1405711780 514212 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :does tis make sense?
< 1405711814 880287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I think so
< 1405711826 53584 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :𝕴 𝖘𝖍𝖔𝖚𝖑𝖉 𝖒𝖆𝖐𝖊 𝖆𝖓 𝖊𝖘𝖔𝖑𝖆𝖓𝖌 𝖜𝖍𝖊𝖗𝖊 𝖆𝖑𝖑 𝖛𝖆𝖗𝖎𝖆𝖇𝖑𝖊𝖘 𝖒𝖚𝖘𝖙 𝖇𝖊 𝖑𝖎𝖐𝖊 𝖙𝖍𝖎𝖘
< 1405711836 326040 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't read that
< 1405711859 782049 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/sZkWXyF.png
< 1405711929 297122 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusesme
< 1405711978 376225 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i paste the hello world program here in multi-line form?
< 1405711988 178861 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(5 lines)
< 1405712030 274402 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(instead of doing the barely-legible 1-line form)
< 1405712129 812131 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1405712158 597811 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :	
< 1405712158 816134 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :    3 STRSTART 'H' 'E' 'L' 'L' 'O' ' ' 'W' 'O' 'R' 'L' 'D' STREND
< 1405712158 816285 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :    2 SUBSTART 3 READCHAR OUTCHAR SUBEND
< 1405712158 816377 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :    1 SUBSTART 3 ISCHAR SUBEND
< 1405712158 816469 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :    0 SUBSTART 2 RUN 1 ERUN SUBEND
< 1405712161 79987 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :    START 1 ERUN 0 RWHILE END
< 1405712183 552296 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks Forthy
< 1405712250 290583 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK now perhaps I can see.
< 1405712269 322003 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ISCHAR should be named something more like ISTHERE_CHAR
< 1405712335 860970 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :RWHILE's loop is based on "return value"
< 1405712394 901580 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERUN returns the next of the substack it just ran as it's return value, while RUN doesn't
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< 1405712557 918530 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :all whitespace is same. that's why i originally typed it in 1-line form
< 1405712729 66406 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :like USPL so far?
< 1405712743 836446 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it needs a better name than that)
< 1405712774 34288 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't have a language where the first word is "untitled"
< 1405712953 883526 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic_, zzo38: like it?
< 1405712955 193132 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :USPL sounds fine
< 1405712962 590937 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make the U stand for something else
< 1405712976 989476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SchrodingersCat: OK
< 1405712979 237588 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Unusual
< 1405712987 29854 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Usurious
< 1405713086 49986 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's arduino version (the original intended target platform) would be A/USPL ?
< 1405713110 295545 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :or U/ASPL
< 1405713124 533727 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1405713160 80284 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to design a language that could be interpreted on an arduino uno
< 1405713307 789780 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do i develop on then: my linux shell server or my arduino?
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< 1405713393 302736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do both
< 1405713522 568016 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :my arduino micro (technically a miniturized leonardo) has similar memory size to the uno but is a lot smaller
< 1405713568 706253 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :uno has 2kb of sram and 32kb of flash
< 1405713605 637712 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :micro has same, but less flash is available
< 1405713653 481203 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should start by writing a rpn calculator onto the arduino micro
< 1405713732 857463 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah...start with a four-level rpn calc...that
< 1405713734 918172 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
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< 1405713964 29380 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1405714259 234860 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :the arduino uses a simplified version of c/c++ called wiring
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< 1405714807 996065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like a tsume shogi?
< 1405714862 396812 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that?
< 1405714881 129720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese chess problem
< 1405715477 878181 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405715544 758440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that Wiring is pretty much regular C++ except with a different standard library and a fixed main function that calls the setup/loop functions.
< 1405715687 993030 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1405717463 190206 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1405717603 621376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: incidentally I think some people mirror the XML dumps, though those don't have account information
< 1405717609 398902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but they do have files and stuff)
< 1405717679 644653 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
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< 1405718441 429607 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :troll_detector
< 1405718455 394131 :troll_detector!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v
< 1405719605 941409 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PART :#esoteric
< 1405720362 717842 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :SCat|Away
< 1405720505 387622 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1405720863 316 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :Dogar
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< 1405721307 399339 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help I'm looking at Python again
< 1405721309 648552 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting back into the old Python rut
< 1405721390 358363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x_x
< 1405721401 883559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you just doing this as performance art by now
< 1405721674 84284 :Dogar!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1405721795 413056 :fcrawl!~nooodl@91.176.143.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what is your quest!!
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< 1405722775 842347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you know names? 
< 1405722806 87519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I... used to? everyone is kind of blending together in my head.
< 1405722809 448620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some german person was mirroring I think.
< 1405722816 696537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I can just look at my webserver logs.
< 1405722876 989016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mroman is one
< 1405722919 373515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :209.116.191.130 is someone who is downloading both the zsync file and the gzipped file, but with a Java user agent?!
< 1405722937 855314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a dynamic IP though
< 1405722940 123364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lots of requests
< 1405722947 357910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, maybe zsync pretends to be Java...
< 1405722965 249706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xmedeko.blogspot.be/2011/05/java-zsync.html okay...
< 1405722998 250983 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What zsync file?
< 1405723003 617992 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>svn
< 1405723036 521058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: ???
< 1405723041 226878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking about
< 1405723050 457495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://eso.mroman.ch/log2.txt http://eso.mroman.ch/wikidump/
< 1405723072 289297 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“is downloading both the zsync file and the gzipped file” – what file is that?
< 1405723093 27688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: esolang.xml.gz and esolang.xml.zsync
< 1405723093 348374 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“svn” – just amazed at someone still using svn in 2011.
< 1405723099 869985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the XML wiki dumps
< 1405723100 437114 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ok, thanks
< 1405723108 353717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody actually used zsync I think
< 1405723132 258529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except these weird java user agents actually requested it so maybe someone used some random java implementation of zsync from 2011 for... whatever reason
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< 1405723330 682453 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, help so am I
< 1405723338 610112 :SCat|Away!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :SchrodingersCat
< 1405723350 909126 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst thing is I'm not even any good at Python
< 1405723394 505424 :SchrodingersCat!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PART :#esoteric
< 1405723400 129740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: anyways it's not much of a solution, but it's at least easy to make a read-only view of the site with it for now
< 1405723409 646633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone loves mediawiki!
< 1405723479 618800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, in the worst case you could also restore the users table from the original database dump I sent you, but probably the old server is not actually lost forever.
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< 1405725355 899637 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services
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< 1405725881 404724 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu
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< 1405726262 305039 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
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< 1405728840 388919 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1405731231 721270 :Guest5662!~canaima@186.94.111.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helloo
< 1405731236 455521 :Guest5662!~canaima@186.94.111.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1405731353 956782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola
< 1405731359 747199 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:8c9c:f030:b53d:b58e NICK :^4
< 1405731393 229148 :Guest5662!~canaima@186.94.111.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola que hacen'
< 1405731394 765340 :Guest5662!~canaima@186.94.111.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1405731440 244666 :shubshub!Pineapple@0.217.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405731440 444735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :si
< 1405731465 208763 :Guest5662!~canaima@186.94.111.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? que hacen?
< 1405731478 89564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :si
< 1405731479 387256 :shubshub!Pineapple@0.217.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz QUIT :Client Quit
< 1405731492 664914 :Guest5662!~canaima@186.94.111.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :porque dices si?
< 1405731540 589493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mi aerodeslizador es lleno de anguilas
< 1405731564 591464 :Guest5662!~canaima@186.94.111.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-Xque es esoooo????>:o
< 1405731603 860631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No sé lo que estoy haciendo. Yo ni siquiera sé español
< 1405731646 597463 :Guest5662!~canaima@186.94.111.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ok jajajaja
< 1405731686 149764 :Guest5662!~canaima@186.94.111.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bueno que importa  jajaja, pero como estas escribiendo español si no sabes ?=-O
< 1405731740 319815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://translate.google.com/
< 1405731774 309788 :prator!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405731784 324245 :Guest5662!~canaima@186.94.111.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amm ok 
< 1405731794 225122 :Guest5662!~canaima@186.94.111.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pero quisieras hablar español conmigo??
< 1405731805 190868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.)
< 1405731885 590282 :Guest5662!~canaima@186.94.111.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :osea que no puedo estar en este grupo? :'(
< 1405731961 150759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Es posible, pero la mayoría de nosotros va a no entender si usted no habla Inglés.
< 1405731969 117293 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1405732053 261884 :Guest5662!~canaima@186.94.111.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pero no pueden usar traductor?
< 1405732093 537292 :Guest5662!~canaima@186.94.111.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :es que todos los grupos estan en ingles :-/
< 1405732197 957453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Es difícil hacerlo, porque tenemos que copiar y pegar todo en el traductor de google y viceversa.
< 1405732234 25947 :Guest5662!~canaima@186.94.111.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :de donde eres?
< 1405732324 872734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Estoy en Noruega. Otros de aquí son en su mayoría de América del Norte o Europa.
< 1405732364 968751 :Guest5662!~canaima@186.94.111.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y los de europa hablan español :)
< 1405732376 384796 :Guest5662!~canaima@186.94.111.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuantos años tienes?
< 1405732425 168222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Realmente no hablo español, estoy utilizando Google ahora.
< 1405732442 96802 :Guest5662!~canaima@186.94.111.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pero sabes algo de español?
< 1405732642 272782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :No mucho. También es muy tarde y yo debería ir a la cama.
< 1405732677 460596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Buenas noches
< 1405732734 105013 :Guest5662!~canaima@186.94.111.231 PART :#esoteric
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< 1405733055 669722 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xorshammer.com/2011/07/09/a-logical-interpretation-of-some-bits-of-topology/ neat.
< 1405733527 907160 :^4!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:8c9c:f030:b53d:b58e QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif
< 1405734340 761567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: have you seen http://paultaylor.eu/ASD/
< 1405734352 129706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear weed is legal where you are so maybe you can even understand it
< 1405734368 777177 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they only opened a store like last week, it's dumb
< 1405734375 597464 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dad was trying to sell t-shirts celebrating it
< 1405734401 916546 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has a lot of italics. is it insane
< 1405734438 850810 :prator!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr NICK :brrr
< 1405734486 984976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brrr: are you cold
< 1405734498 653235 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes
< 1405734872 339332 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/9404065
< 1405734882 740575 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah
< 1405734919 525950 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corrected version: http://codepad.org/Dt2Kssap
< 1405739324 124562 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem!
< 1405739463 885389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A quiz predicts I am "84% Sitakaliist" (82 percentile).
< 1405742735 375517 :^4!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:316b:4da7:7b80:3dbb JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1405744273 630805 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep
< 1405746745 813367 :ds84182!ds84182@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-thseljbqivlmssok PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
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< 1405748448 305612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One commenter doesn't believe that arbitrary disjunctions of semi-decidable predicates is semidecidable. But, can't you run programs like: First run one step of the first program, and then run one step of the first two programs, and then run one step of the first three programs, and then run one step of the first four programs.
< 1405748895 183430 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^4
< 1405749157 429651 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1405749764 776542 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://lpaste.net/107738
< 1405749940 432634 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54faa3-2.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405750061 968495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I do not know what all of those things mean.
< 1405750220 925090 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, when you say arbitrary disjunctions, do you mean more than binary disjunctions?
< 1405750235 735528 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just proved the binary case there, not sure if it works for infinite ones
< 1405750280 732097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The part "[doesn't] believe that arbitrary disjunctions of semi-decidable predicates is semidecidable" is a quotation.
< 1405750794 236392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it isn't me who meant something by it.
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< 1405754544 151117 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr QUIT :Quit: Cya!
< 1405755238 196524 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405756080 194265 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1405756788 197989 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1405757454 160602 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405759291 742484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: hion
< 1405759317 190199 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1405759666 513103 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hachaf
< 1405759708 697652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how sitakaliist are you
< 1405759740 871481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what do "puhu" and "puhun" mean
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< 1405760278 165600 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“puhu” is a command to talk, “puhun” is “I talk” or “I am talking”.
< 1405760286 250953 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :puhua is the basic form.
< 1405760291 646694 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“to talk”
< 1405760300 384565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about "en puhu"
< 1405760317 582924 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“I don’t talk” or “I won’t talk”
< 1405760331 697866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does the “I” come from
< 1405760389 277964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that one isn't very hard
< 1405760394 911855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the way "en" is inflected.
< 1405760398 987212 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The -n inflection
< 1405760404 357410 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In both cases
< 1405760413 869757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "en" a form of "ea"
< 1405760417 795043 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ei
< 1405760432 462818 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no/not)
< 1405760443 865158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just special
< 1405760500 658281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :en puhu, et puhu, ei puhu; emme puhu, ette puhu, eivät puhu: (I) don't speak, (you, singular) don't speak, (he/she/it) doesn't speak; (we) don't speak, (you, plural) don't speak; (they) don't speak.
< 1405760532 809021 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or puhun, puhut, puhuu; puhumme, puhutte, puhuvat for the non-negated version.
< 1405760546 345039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can SEE the PATTERNS.
< 1405760559 868429 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT’S FULL OF INFLECTIONS
< 1405760567 952209 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :eivät?
< 1405760579 61620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but puhuvat?
< 1405760621 614271 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :vowel harmony something?
< 1405760622 168825 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ua is easier to say than uä, iä is kind of easier than ia
< 1405760638 626011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds better. Usually it's from vowel harmony, but "ei" technically doesn't need it.
< 1405760664 73691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The groups are [aou] and [äöy], with [ei] being somewhat neutral.
< 1405760698 745800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But e.g. puhuvat (they speak) vs. hyppivät (they leap).
< 1405760719 537359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :u-a and y-ä.
< 1405760738 201810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps more "jump" than "leap". Anyway.
< 1405760741 986881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. complicated
< 1405760757 333220 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyppi- is similar to the swedish word for jump (hoppa)
< 1405760767 357235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a good way to answer these sorts of questions without bugging people on irc
< 1405760871 346732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a net, come to Finland, catch a native Finnish speaker and keep it in your basement.
< 1405760879 306769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just remember to give it some water and food.
< 1405760890 368923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lack a basement
< 1405760909 986462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then perhaps some sort of a cage, I don't know.
< 1405760920 340150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a good plan
< 1405760943 766921 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what size of cage should you get for a finn? what do they eat?
< 1405760980 75016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_cuisine
< 1405760995 499278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The famous Finnish cuisine.
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< 1405761047 523840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose most people really think about which vowels there are and so on, since the right choice is almost always the one that "sounds right".
< 1405761051 320576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have several finnish cuisines
< 1405761072 187281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even more second cuisines
< 1405761234 85766 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wrote y as  the vowel groups would be even more regular
< 1405761343 495748 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the best of my knowledge, the thing in Finnish is considered vowel harmony.
< 1405761582 237054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hm are you volunteering
< 1405761611 385831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that not how nets work
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< 1405763593 790749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how about "olet" vs. "olette"
< 1405763596 950435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it "olet te"
< 1405763681 650221 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :second person plural of some verb?
< 1405763720 729147 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*first vs second person
< 1405763745 748955 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, wrong again, I meant singular/plural
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< 1405764357 6684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What olsner says.
< 1405764376 775256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you (singular) are" vs. "you (plural) are".
< 1405764442 985773 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sinä olet shachaf
< 1405764445 340987 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :te olette #esoteric
< 1405764473 889211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1405764493 246982 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :malagassy has two "we", one with the person you talk to and one without
< 1405764495 551206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the personal pronouns (sinä, te) completely optional.
< 1405764504 678531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "te" can also be a formal/polite version of "sinä"?
< 1405764519 12034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. ("Teitittely".)
< 1405764549 224169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a decline, I'd say.
< 1405764563 574865 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Practically everything south-east Asian does.
< 1405764653 962114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oletteko #esoteric?
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< 1405764758 838068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :puhutteko suomea?
< 1405764765 33024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hebrew has some of this pronoun-dropping thing
< 1405764770 472442 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did English have teitittely when thou/ye were distinct?
< 1405764798 211533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1405766869 26027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1405767572 158091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord �
< 1405767572 336098 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :239 191 189 
< 1405767591 209322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord �
< 1405767591 387273 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :239 191 189 
< 1405767625 128887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: your unicode is showing up as replacement character hth
< 1405767639 311766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the logs, at least
< 1405767762 561205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is the second time i've noticed this, except i'm not sure it was olsner the other time.
< 1405767769 243948 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whichnicode
< 1405767782 249144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you wrote y as � the vowel groups would be even more regular
< 1405767795 420362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:13  if you wrote y as ü the vowel groups would be even more regular
< 1405767807 168234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh interesting.
< 1405767821 69897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it has to do with that weird irc encoding
< 1405767825 751307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it shows up wrong in both codu and tunes.
< 1405767845 645474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which uses iso-8859-1 if everything in a line can be encoded that way
< 1405767848 407723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and otherwise uses utf-8
< 1405767871 957114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think xchat does that by default?
< 1405767875 742002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently olsner's irc client is gnu sed
< 1405767885 510435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think so, but manually changing the encoding of the log page did not help
< 1405767906 458179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1405767912 301663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check tunes for that
< 1405767937 218818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh tunes has it "right"
< 1405767956 424044 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: fix your irc client hth
< 1405767959 917816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so codu has started replacing iso-8859-1 with unicode replacement characters.
< 1405768064 923820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like we're in the gregorcalypse
< 1405768097 794580 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: any day now
< 1405768232 661479 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405768234 737605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the raw codu log also keeps the ü
< 1405768246 344506 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405768270 585558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's always been like this but i've only noticed since i started using the nicely formatted log version
< 1405768321 402043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, both .txt and -raw.txt have the ü
< 1405768359 835 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this ü work better?
< 1405768389 354247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep!
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< 1405771288 176889 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/compsci/comments/2b3tyx/computing_with_graphs/
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< 1405772784 528991 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that, like, eodermdrome?
< 1405773075 213660 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I'm not familiar with Eodermdrome
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< 1405779197 489457 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1405779202 11993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho
< 1405779210 558710 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is everything back online yet
< 1405779270 476677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as such, no.
< 1405779281 246428 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks
< 1405779288 597159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean a plain no.
< 1405779324 510477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would help to get some sort of sign of life out of Gregor "idle for 5 days" Gregor.
< 1405779344 641214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how many bitcoins would it take for you to put that XML dump on a read-only mediawiki install and point esolangs.org at it?
< 1405779373 229133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n.b. actual payment unlikely
< 1405779463 822684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might do it for free tomorrow.
< 1405779493 31673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I have a full mirror from April, I could use that.)
< 1405779509 396960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some odd time discounting.
< 1405779519 196770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, the XML dumps are actually rather complete
< 1405779527 697103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have all pages and files and revisions
< 1405779548 939022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much all you need on top of that is things like users and bans
< 1405779554 15623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it tracks protection or not
< 1405779593 207329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess, but I don't know how to use them. But perhaps I could get the mirror-installation up and running, and then import the dump on top of that. If that is a thing that's done.
< 1405779631 507129 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :his last name is richards iirc
< 1405779657 214273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, GregorR = Gregor gRegor
< 1405779665 667660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you just set up MW and then upload it to Special:Import through a browser
< 1405779676 251028 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Gregor = Gregor Gregor
< 1405779680 239497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor of Erebor.
< 1405779725 641113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy MW, use the command-line installer thing, copy whatever backup of LocalSettings you have, put $wgReadOnly in there, import the pages, run the cache generation script (optional), done
< 1405779738 357182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can import on top of a mirror, maybe
< 1405779748 547935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to clear out the pages/files tables first
< 1405779765 597308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of think having it be editable would be bad though, since all the edits would get lost whenever 'Regor wakes up.
< 1405779799 16488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. I'll attempt this tomorrow, or later today if I feel especially vigorous.
< 1405779884 697424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought: you could distribute PGP-encrypted daily database dumps so you can restore users etc. without any privacy risk in future :)
< 1405779893 300852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how big they'd be compressed, though
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< 1405780813 688790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you have been followed up hth http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/
< 1405780840 97462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad he'll never know
< 1405780935 647890 :^4!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :troll_detector
< 1405780966 198124 :troll_detector!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v
< 1405781159 879145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mezzacotta still updates?
< 1405781281 957997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1405781305 557194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're actually only a month away from when the garfield [something that sounds like minus] garfield apocalypse would have been
< 1405781374 128993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh.
< 1405781380 625186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I've... forgotten what this is about
< 1405781414 761298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the people in the forum are planning a special for sromg 1978(?)-2014
< 1405781459 33814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically, have each comic be based on the anniversary garfield comic from that year)
< 1405781467 877131 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well they had a ton of strips on that formula until dmm put a stop to it by riffing on terminator 2
< 1405781480 307826 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sromg? SCSI Read-only Oh My God?
< 1405781491 501719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :square root of minus garfield
< 1405781570 257673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrotum renovation: only massive genitalia
< 1405781594 204434 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for once, I am more scared of elliott than oerjan. today is going to be an interesting day...
< 1405781619 913949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw c'mon. I'm plenty scary!
< 1405781633 189650 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's p. scary though
< 1405781635 799982 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's norwegian
< 1405781649 521874 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're from the fucking south
< 1405781656 106681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, sromg is going around nicely, dmm has a huge backlog of submissions which is growing.
< 1405781694 952721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mezzacotta itself is of course autogenerated, and as bad as ever.
< 1405781708 362229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lightning made of owls is barely hanging on.
< 1405781735 287869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :awkward fumbles was essentially dead, but has had a couple recently.
< 1405781788 846408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=625
< 1405781798 757288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :making the one-trick pony markov comic the flagship of mezzacotta seems shortsighted in retrospect
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< 1405781813 241103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you look at the titles in the archive before that day, you can see how bad the meme had got
< 1405781822 1651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I do remember this.
< 1405781911 324218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that strip is a masterpiece
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< 1405782475 294779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i calculate sromg 1928 will be on the prophesized date
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< 1405782529 394363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume dmm has long since queued comics beyond that.
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< 1405782629 684027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure whether to correct the misspelling or revel in it.
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< 1405787635 969595 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What meme?
< 1405787793 196493 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hmhdrfxhglppnkgv JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405788106 210551 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Variations on the "The world is constantly changing" Garfield strip.
< 1405788197 688320 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=603 seems to be a particularly unfunny one to me
< 1405790109 789726 :newsham_!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the most unfunny comic strip ever?
< 1405790560 93105 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :very likely garfield
< 1405790614 957284 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Br0FAXbIQAAyIjg.jpg:large now, now, there are many other contenders
< 1405790755 979179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you store raw logs as actual raw data instead of converting? Sometimes (but rarely) it is posting something which is neither ISO-8859-1 nor UTF-8. Someone once posted something using Russian encoding.
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< 1405793862 881471 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker
< 1405793888 51668 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1405794740 522712 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :minirtti
< 1405794754 794327 :minirtti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1405796931 815566 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, wikipedia's page on CTCP is so incomplete
< 1405797118 844398 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you sure that the raw logs (on codu) are decoded in any way? they look pretty raw to me, with some prefix added on each line.
< 1405797279 890559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are filtered per channel
< 1405797598 781250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't know but it is something someone mentioned above.
< 1405797622 327157 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, although I think also ones that aren't filtered by channel are also available, it look like.
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< 1405797701 274869 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby, you see something using .each and want your own objects to implement it, it's 'obvious' that you just define each for your own class. Python, you see for ... in ... and want to write your own that supports it, you need to check the documentation to see that you need to define __iter__
< 1405798103 295026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have we really gotten to this point, Sgeo
< 1405798117 562729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby vs. python, which one is more obvious
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< 1405801303 552970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running importDump.php now.
< 1405801330 225753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot to give the --report option, no idea how long it'll take.
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< 1405801622 969763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, based on a "select count(*) from revision;" in another terminal, it's importing at a blinding speed of 1 revision/second.
< 1405801661 965861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dump has 32535 revisions in it.
< 1405801681 133393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it'll be ready in just nine short hours.
< 1405801697 784603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What date is this dump from?
< 1405801795 197155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very new, it's from April 21st. But it's only for a temporary read-only copy so that people have something to look at, while we're waiting to get the real one back up. (And only after that think about maybe moving it.)
< 1405801805 54728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1405801808 565464 :ilmyrn!~ilmyrn@host86-143-141-20.range86-143.btcentralplus.com PART :#esoteric
< 1405801853 691497 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :uberasic
< 1405801856 994881 :uberasic!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v
< 1405801884 210015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the XML dump is from the last day the server was up, btw
< 1405801943 771398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean that is somewhere? 
< 1405802042 60546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I haven't downloaded it, but if someone has, I could restore from that instead.
< 1405803158 891037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have a nine-bit value and want to convert so that the high four bits (one of which is in a separate register) are converted into the value that bit7 copies bit3, what is the fastest way to do that in a 6502 code without using up too much ROM/RAM space?
< 1405803536 701106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I have the following twenty cycle code:   LDX  fizzie: http://eso.mroman.ch/log2.txt http://eso.mroman.ch/wikidump/
< 1405804253 840339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, did you also expect me to pay attention? 
< 1405804255 469474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's... gone??
< 1405804259 461003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I downloaded it but deleted it
< 1405804261 78616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman?
< 1405804296 231122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, the thing has restored 25 pages, at a speed of 0.01 pages/sec, 1.24 revs/sec.
< 1405804329 314451 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does this work? LDA  Why don't you store raw logs as actual raw data instead of converting? Sometimes (but rarely) it is posting something which is neither ISO-8859-1 nor UTF-8. Someone once posted something using Russian encoding. <-- they are, but the formatted version *usually* looks better to me, but it has this problem.
< 1405811520 897484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they should fix it so that when converting raw to formatted, it will correct it!
< 1405811552 681591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This should probably be done both for formatted plaintext and for HTML.)
< 1405811599 417170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the formatted plaintext doesn't do any conversion.
< 1405811613 105814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can change encoding in the browser for that.
< 1405811687 962091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has the problem with lines not wrapping in my browser, which is usually more irritating.
< 1405811722 960429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we're currently waiting for a chance to get Gregor to fix _anything_.
< 1405811741 910794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 days idle, now.
< 1405811754 193716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least he has a stable irc connection.
< 1405812041 172301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1939 (0.20 pages/sec 2.47 revs/sec)
< 1405812052 549511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps tomorrow we shall have a read-only wiki.
< 1405812323 124612 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: great! then people will pester you to fix stuff in it by directly messing with the database, because normal edit won't yet work
< 1405812447 693771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect that will not be a big problem.
< 1405812501 122302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can discuss edits in the IRC, and since it is logged, then if any such edits do need to be made they can be made afterward.
< 1405812697 962981 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an esolang yet whose goal is to make it easier to write programs that edit the esolang wiki entry for that same language?
< 1405812734 645242 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly one that's restricted so editing that wiki entry is, in some way, the only thing programs in that language can do?
< 1405812857 708321 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone tried the K framework?
< 1405812862 695319 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might start watching the tutorials
< 1405812887 457255 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( with Vect sequence [[1,2],[3,4]]
< 1405812888 11505 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04[04[04104, 04304]04, 04[04204, 04404]04] : 12Vect 042 (12Vect 042 12Integer)
< 1405813539 49545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff weather forecast going ballistic again
< 1405813607 471103 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have found that Infocom's Z-machine interpreter for Commodore 64 takes 30 cycles to read one byte from the PC; my own interpreter for Famicom takes only 19 cycles. This is what time it usually takes; it can be longer.
< 1405813735 72246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My program is 25 cycles in worse case; their program is over 70 cycles in worse case.
< 1405814245 789566 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how does input work
< 1405814256 684432 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing zork on a nes controller sounds painful
< 1405814275 161864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: It is using the keyboard.
< 1405814295 687012 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right! that's a thing
< 1405814299 328883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Famicom does have a keyboard, although it is not hardwired like the gamepads are.
< 1405814584 495770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am probably not going to implement printing, since the Famicom does not even have a printer (although it may be possible to invent a printer protocol using the tape port, but nothing currently exists as far as I know). Not implementing output to printer would probably speed it up too.
< 1405815012 876813 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is actually a common-ish printer output format on Famiclones.
< 1405815073 204132 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I didn't know that. What is it, and is it compatible with the Famicom keyboard?
< 1405815091 389352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, do any emulators support this?
< 1405815102 118153 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, yes. Said Famiclones use (basically) the Famicom keyboard as well..
< 1405815127 403347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what is the format?
< 1405815129 950023 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basicqally, a couple of parallel port lines are address mapped on the cartridge port, so that certain memory reads can be used to bit-bang LPT.
< 1405815136 741248 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://133fsb.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/famicom-compatible-printer-port-interface/
< 1405815146 589199 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any emulators that do it though.
< 1405815228 848994 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps not the best way of doing it, but hey. It's actually in the wild.
< 1405815261 221210 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if it exists, it would make sense to use a compatible protocol, I suppose.
< 1405815295 376401 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it would be fairly simple to use the same mechanism in a more "legit" Famicom or NES cart.
< 1405815314 63764 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it only uses lines that are on the cartridge port, you could just have a weird cartridge with a parallel port on it.
< 1405815441 888038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think that would work.
< 1405815509 91044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are similar things existing too; the FDS cartridge has a serial port on it, and I have also heard of a cartridge with Christmas lights on it.
< 1405816848 785486 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What month is it
< 1405816855 894258 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :july
< 1405816958 577184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ramadan hth
< 1405817112 207868 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, that means the new marvel film in like 11 days
< 1405817120 238024 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also my house gets internet tomorrow!
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< 1405820574 614937 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random trivia: I live on (National Cycle) Route 66
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< 1405841571 283238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mciSendString "Set CDAudio Door Open", 0&, 0&, 0&: MsgBox "Error: Insert cup in cup holder and press any key."
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< 1405842842 829002 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nice
< 1405842991 239204 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
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< 1405843517 364715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to do the exact cycle emulation of a 6502 core (including unofficial opcodes)?
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< 1405843993 666663 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ?
< 1405844037 982632 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: looks like the dump can't be downloaded anymore?
< 1405844113 371770 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I only have a few days rotation
< 1405844141 141687 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably should change the script to not delete old files after there are only 3 files left :)
< 1405844559 587474 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 day rotation
< 1405844588 381877 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any dumps anymore if that was the question
< 1405844646 641613 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird, since the last error occured at 2014-07-18
< 1405844671 533024 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't see any entries from 07-15, 07-16, 07-17
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< 1405845157 287852 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr QUIT :Quit: Cya!
< 1405845261 591694 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My svn mirror is also broken
< 1405845268 872304 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it uses the voxelperfect thingy
< 1405845273 831159 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably too old
< 1405845395 479525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. It restored all pages but the Main Page, and when I tried to restore that one manually, "A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software."
< 1405845870 49757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I'll try running update.php and hope it fixes the dattabase.
< 1405845949 865768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it would have been there in the history, too; just the new default main page was "on top" of it.
< 1405845953 914091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well.
< 1405846326 332387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the new copy should be up, but it'll again take a whole lotta time for DNS changes to propagate. In the meanwhile, you could try http://fail.esolangs.org/
< 1405846426 189573 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't edit that read only version of the wiki. It keeps complaining and giving an error :-( "The database has been locked for maintenance, so you will not be able to save your edits right now"
< 1405846599 717617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I can't edit that read only version of the wiki" ...
< 1405846836 425083 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1405847168 176882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, the read-only version is read-only.
< 1405847490 472430 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hmhdrfxhglppnkgv QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1405847978 203760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are 2 registered users, but most of them are spambots."
< 1405848652 683932 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405850805 407097 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405850930 814407 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for the read-only version :P
< 1405851048 396651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is esolangs.org meant to point there?
< 1405851050 813660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't, for me
< 1405851372 68882 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't for me either
< 1405851400 727886 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it'll again take a whole lotta time for theDNS changes to propagate"
< 1405851512 211128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I didn't see that it required a DNS change.
< 1405851551 663401 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405851625 641219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you can regenerate recent changes
< 1405851629 117218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a script in maintanence/ for it
< 1405851826 453525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405851908 668842 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any native english speakers present at this moment?
< 1405852013 459064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hvem vet
< 1405852046 401523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been known to correct the english of native speakers on occasion, though.
< 1405852057 4184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes
< 1405852090 274635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fails to remember whether he has corrected elliott, although probably, this is irc after all.
< 1405852095 201745 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a walking shamefully man saw an under a grave burried dog"
< 1405852101 941429 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ] grammatical [ ] not grammatical
< 1405852117 187935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[*] awful
< 1405852126 447780 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1405852149 217516 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a shamefully walking man (should that be the problem)
< 1405852156 99295 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's supposed to be awful, but still grammatical
< 1405852163 690545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :original does not parse, correction parses
< 1405852173 829419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me reading the correction to figure out what the first was meant to be
< 1405852187 956031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or my guess would be something like "a walking ashamed man" which isn't quite the same (but mostly I'd be confused)
< 1405852190 637484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I ran it after the import, but perhaps running update.php re-messed it up.
< 1405852196 174151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "grave burried dog" isn't quite right either.
< 1405852209 905580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dog burrito
< 1405852233 453156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, or possibly it's because of the 91-day $wgRCMaxAge.
< 1405852278 197334 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's (under a grave burried) dog
< 1405852284 179533 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a dog that's burried under a grave
< 1405852289 689927 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, it's supposed to be that way :)
< 1405852292 133360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, well, it's buried, but also that doesn't parse.
< 1405852296 438236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grave-buried might, I guess
< 1405852300 305885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very weird thing to say
< 1405852302 866090 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.
< 1405852306 393744 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :a shamefully walking man and a buried dog under a grave?
< 1405852314 914025 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be grammatical
< 1405852317 295686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just say a buried dog, personally.
< 1405852327 926275 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, me too
< 1405852330 173798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those weird and their grammar germans
< 1405852332 442148 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but using the same words
< 1405852344 477852 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so english really doesn't allow to describe words that way
< 1405852347 808955 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm shocked :(
< 1405852353 391105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god that it doesn't
< 1405852367 594328 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be really weird in English
< 1405852381 834675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it's just that english is head initial with less complicated descriptions than german is
< 1405852391 734279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out how to make Special:RecentChanges show anything older than a month, and since the dump I imported is from way back, it's pretty much empty.
< 1405852398 58675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, I see.
< 1405852403 751683 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that it's "unusual" but still grammatical
< 1405852421 226872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: your original sentence is definitely too messed up for me to class as valid
< 1405852423 637191 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing: Multiple words usually can't be used to describe a verb (i. e. "a buried under a grave dog" is invalid)
< 1405852425 604520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: what you need to do is to get a medium and ask a victorian
< 1405852427 238463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Putting "days=180" in the URL does show changes, if you're curious as to where it stopped.)
< 1405852433 268139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like google translate output
< 1405852442 418386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: you can do "a buried-under-a-grave dog" though
< 1405852460 656208 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1405852468 305740 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyphens solve all your problems
< 1405852471 134614 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat
< 1405852473 144273 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which wouldn't make a difference when spoken
< 1405852480 615827 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because speech doesn't really have hyphens :D
< 1405852484 587371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a walking-shamefully man saw a buried-under-a-grave dog
< 1405852492 218177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... "valid", I guess
< 1405852496 902552 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :walking-shamefully?
< 1405852498 761687 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn
< 1405852501 166807 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1405852501 836530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's not valid, yeah.
< 1405852504 262431 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :say that's valid
< 1405852513 179026 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hit the enter key accidentally :P
< 1405852515 598778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but compare "a dying-painfully man"?
< 1405852517 323212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno.
< 1405852521 63970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's less awful than the original sentence.
< 1405852521 833841 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :painfully-dying
< 1405852523 933457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
< 1405852555 689815 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1405852564 497405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a man walking shamefully saw a dog buried under a grave.  head initial, i said!
< 1405852565 125177 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a shawefully walking man saw a dog burried under a grave"
< 1405852571 859373 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be the not messed up version
< 1405852578 643754 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :buried*, shamefully*
< 1405852585 569801 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes
< 1405852585 935177 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1405852589 93559 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :shavefully
< 1405852593 904593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, "shamefully walking" is sitll pretty weird.
< 1405852600 866321 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1405852609 361838 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's walking in shame?
< 1405852610 785124 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, I don't think it is
< 1405852619 613277 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's walking... shamefully.
< 1405852657 262508 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1405852667 157254 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he dropped his fork
< 1405852674 596063 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, shamefully walking works
< 1405852675 557474 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is now shamefully walking towards the door to leave the room?
< 1405852679 163979 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's valid
< 1405852717 124479 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and while walking towards the door he sees a video on the TV about a dog being buried? :P
< 1405852724 229569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's valid, it's just a weird thing to say. in general. the sentence.
< 1405852728 995812 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because dropping the fork is really embarrasing in his country)
< 1405852740 261703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sentence.  it means nothing!
< 1405852776 389470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you just need to do like the finns and make it into a competitive sport hth
< 1405852872 232285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :george bernard was walking shawefully
< 1405852951 354076 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I move we extend the severily limited english sentence structure
< 1405852957 296801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: too bad with your seven years of bad luck
< 1405852968 513528 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a german-ish sentence structure .
< 1405853010 97962 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 200% as efficient
< 1405853013 853788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that a very bad idea be would
< 1405853076 274925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that that
< 1405853126 30466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so what's with "oppia" becoming "opin"?
< 1405853155 729105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what's that called in english
< 1405853187 827217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's because -ppi- is an open syllable but -pin is a closed one
< 1405853246 125185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a special case of some general rule
< 1405853248 857866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1405853251 684237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you drop double letters in some cases?
< 1405853258 989003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that simple
< 1405853267 105134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not
< 1405853310 785392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but consonants have two different forms dependent on whether they are followed by a syllable ending in a vowel or a consonant.
< 1405853340 923149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes one form is ""
< 1405853341 459451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See: consonant gradation.
< 1405853347 192707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the word
< 1405853361 324701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consonant_gradation#Finnish  explains it a little bit.
< 1405853403 499601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe the bit isn't all that little.
< 1405853475 36936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But again, you don't need to think it through, because "oppin" just sounds wrong, while "opin" doesn't.)
< 1405853603 844530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's your oppinion
< 1405853622 995027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how will i get a sense of what sounds wrong
< 1405853647 864155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just be born in finland hth
< 1405853678 94067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh hth
< 1405853695 376634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also don't leave early like a coward but stick with it.
< 1405853700 425249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thus, not all weak grades occur in closed syllables, nor do all strong grades occur in open syllables." darn
< 1405853717 981662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's even _more_ complicated than i thought hth
< 1405853722 629072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :'(
< 1405853858 922332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my conclusion is that finnish somehow manages to be agglutinative but still a mess at the same time
< 1405853963 176262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, you know, it would make things too easy for foreign devils if we just stuck on suffixes willy-nilly.
< 1405853985 585000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1405854002 72800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what words are good words to use as examples to try to put grammar together
< 1405854011 523379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :without too many special cases and things
< 1405854036 321764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :koira hth
< 1405854039 404674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is "to eat" apparently "syödä"; where does the "dä" come from
< 1405854044 383769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say "koira".
< 1405854103 355656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: search for "modern Finnish infinitive ending" in the article fizzie linked
< 1405854133 215258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually explains that with the similar word "juoda"
< 1405854149 75861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_verb_conjugation#Infinitive_I
< 1405854176 368494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It mentions "syödä".)
< 1405854192 892637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok but my link explains how it happened historically
< 1405854272 859939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd add a wisdom about koira if HackEgo were here :(
< 1405854332 478260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the answer is "sometimes it's there for historical reasons"?
< 1405854352 726855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what about a vs. ä?
< 1405854361 833957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well _that_ is vowel harmony.
< 1405854386 48513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :harmony with the ö?
< 1405854387 375862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :common to all uralic languages i think
< 1405854400 937761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the y.
< 1405854415 625686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :sYÖdÄ, jUOdA.
< 1405854418 281364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the idea is that all the weird vowels go together?
< 1405854431 977953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not weird, they're front vs. back.
< 1405854449 533439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except ie is counted as neutral.
< 1405854480 633472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are foreign to my ears and mouth :'(
< 1405854510 74172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones that exist in french were foreign-ish in my 4th grade french class
< 1405854542 579089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and the harmony is normally determined by first syllable, except if that has only neutral vowesl, then later syllables can decide it too.
< 1405854616 282327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be easier if i had followed fizzie's net advice
< 1405854692 771456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well if it can help, i have the opposite problem; i have trouble distinguishing all of english's vowels that seem to me like variations on "o".
< 1405854722 101862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones?
< 1405854735 589907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the back rounded ones hth
< 1405854774 665481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a clever self-referential sentence where it's the pronunciation of "rounded" and "ones" which is problemantic
< 1405854793 72682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i speak english with a noticeable accent so i'm no authority
< 1405854798 248941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1405854799 466329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also speak hebrew with a noticeable accent
< 1405854809 714338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no language that i sound like a native speaker in anymore
< 1405854923 95603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad
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< 1405856674 794400 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :< mroman> with a german-ish sentence structure . – Good luck reintroducing cases.
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< 1405857362 251023 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda cases
< 1405857456 297276 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://yle.fi/uutiset/finnair_admits_it_flies_over_ukraine_after_pr_blunder/7363384
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< 1405863927 490196 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: You don't need cases
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< 1405863950 565933 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw the given to the man bird.
< 1405863953 849316 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there. no cases required.
< 1405864042 876272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not german structure, the given is far too early
< 1405864080 147344 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say it has to be exactly like german
< 1405864083 683079 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I expected a germanish structure to include shoving phrases around for focus.
< 1405864098 609093 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1405864103 845809 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just adnominal phrases
< 1405864119 609770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the to the man given bird saw i
< 1405864142 386795 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay then.
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< 1405864153 262749 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1405864163 761737 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls “downgeloadet”.
< 1405864173 165103 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the under the bridge driving through truck had no problem eating the yesterday bought sandwich.
< 1405864200 89289 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A truck eating a sandwich?
< 1405864207 230164 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1405864213 529454 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant to say truck driver I guess
< 1405864232 701654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman crashed into the barn fell
< 1405864259 741756 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's oddly ungrammatical
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< 1405864329 725124 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman crashed into the next to a church located whimsically built barn
< 1405864336 565334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i suggest googling "barn fell" hth
< 1405864357 564108 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, that doesn't actually work though...
< 1405864358 658100 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405864359 942320 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck barn fell
< 1405864360 416570 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information
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< 1405864366 816854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA
< 1405864367 431866 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 201320Z 16009KT 130V190 CAVOK 29/12 Q1018 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 17014KT
< 1405864380 989393 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1405864399 333542 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the horse (raced past the barn) fell
< 1405864399 862106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am wondering if i would i have been better turning the ventilation _off_ earlier today when it was still cool
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< 1405864402 766084 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah see
< 1405864406 816650 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :your sentence structure sucks ;D
< 1405864423 397308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: um it was a joke duh
< 1405864426 868294 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the past the barn raced horse fell
< 1405864431 241640 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouldn't have that problem ;)
< 1405864453 606478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you realize that sentence is constructed precisely to _have_ that problem
< 1405864459 260351 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1405864468 284085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
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< 1405864618 741610 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I the cave cave in
< 1405864927 124242 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my sanity. it is disappearing at an alarming rate.
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< 1405865038 323212 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure somebody wrote a book with only garden path sentences
< 1405865097 193556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL
< 1405865097 793291 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 201300Z 16003KT 30SM SCT150 BKN180 BKN240 23/15 A3016 RMK AC4AC1CI1 SLP214 DENSITY ALT 700FT
< 1405865107 804993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: not because of heat, i take
< 1405865700 767936 :shikhout_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1405866103 75029 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because you guys are unusually grammatical today hth
< 1405866156 507976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :htd
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< 1405867071 117490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK
< 1405867071 804847 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 201420Z 31006KT 9999 FEW040TCU BKN200 23/17 Q1018 NOSIG
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< 1405867920 61507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar LOWI
< 1405867928 725664 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
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< 1405892525 40124 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's a readonly wiki now
< 1405892588 792049 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gasp*!
< 1405892738 279581 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, I can't see it?
< 1405892766 278530 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: strange
< 1405892830 809319 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to make an array of function pointers in a C program?
< 1405892917 391997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: int (*foo[123])(int, char *) or something?
< 1405892990 501876 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1405893278 381168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You can try http://fail.esolangs.org/ if you still have the old address for plain esolangs.org somewhere in a DNS cache.
< 1405893317 364371 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, thanks
< 1405893341 965939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also  typedef int func(int, char *); func *foo[123];  may be more readable. (The "array of function pointers" isn't so bad, but the "function returning a pointer to function" is nastier.)
< 1405893416 710252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's  int (*foo(int))(char);  for a function called "foo" that takes an int, and returns an int (*)(char).
< 1405893925 449252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that easy to read now because I internalised declaration-follows-use :/
< 1405893947 241986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think typedef is probably more clear, too and is generally how I do it
< 1405893980 701785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the syntax features in C for type specifications are a bit stupid.
< 1405894019 129438 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ought to actually learn C at some point
< 1405894037 865530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started writing a program called "nanozil" which is compiling into Z-machine code and now you can write such thing as:  [DEFINE GETP [[CUSTOM-VALUE 17 1 #$]]]  is how a macro can be made up.
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< 1405898716 585144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haneb
< 1405898730 392132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how're the categories going
< 1405899730 730561 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Learn C and learn Rust
< 1405899801 401190 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Taneb fell asleep in another chännel...
< 1405899823 184081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then combine them into the revolutionary language Crust
< 1405899894 588350 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat a hot dog. like a real good one, grilled, with like, mustard and shit.
< 1405899920 233308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think shit goes well with hot dogs Bike 
< 1405899944 629320 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a disgusting thing to say, sir
< 1405899980 937688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo Bike. Yike
< 1405900009 496446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am sorry sir, but the disgustible matter was all in your original comment
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< 1405902453 868940 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found
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< 1405907879 593823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may acquire RF Famicom pretty soon.
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< 1405915657 307279 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!qualiaofpurplelist
< 1405915669 934579 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that so.
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< 1405922067 383827 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Metaclasses in Python 1.5 - A.k.a. The Killer Joke"
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< 1405926710 437292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a command to make glogbot to send a NS INFO request (and log the results)?
< 1405927633 500100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, nevermind it isn't actually important I suppose???
< 1405928093 696756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to create a public/private key pair such that I will not know the private key until a set amount of time has passed (and nobody knows the key before then)?
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< 1405930016 840662 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, is it possible to prove that such thing is the case?
< 1405930074 440749 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405930666 856038 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr QUIT :Quit: Cya!
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< 1405935598 41667 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what this means "This channel is on clonebot autokline. You will be banned from freenode automatically if you stay. Please leave the channel right away"
< 1405935699 871886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably means what it says.
< 1405935825 410105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably means you'll get candy if you stick with the channel.
< 1405935849 160646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're just trying to keep all the candy to themselves with the scary messages.
< 1405935897 470072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: shh, i'll get less candy this way :'(
< 1405935917 814954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're one of them.
< 1405936040 48814 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :candy? where?
< 1405936080 717002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, sure, freenode does have such trap channels
< 1405937861 821535 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been in the channel since Saturday and still haven't received candy :-(
< 1405937912 673717 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's #commodore (the channel I intended to join is #c64)
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< 1405938619 311444 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spambot honeypot channels? A cool idea.
< 1405938662 251570 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let’s all join that channel to advertise the wiki.
< 1405938792 686759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure the present moment is the best possible time to advertise it.
< 1405938830 62574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"#commodore" sounds like a rather uninspired name for a bot C&C channel.
< 1405938837 745766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also vaguely familiar.
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< 1405953275 545881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> product [1..69] :: Int
< 1405953276 997052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0
< 1405953325 227801 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep.
< 1405953581 398967 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> product [1..63] :: Int == 2^63
< 1405953582 553513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:27: Illegal literal in type (use DataKinds to enable): 2
< 1405953590 505610 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (product [1..63] :: Int) == 2^63
< 1405953591 918032 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : False
< 1405953615 593126 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1405953631 565048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone on stack overflow was having overflow issues.
< 1405953692 114690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there aren't enough powers of 2 in the factors, i take.
< 1405953740 137348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [product [1..n] | n <- [63::Int ..]]
< 1405953741 614693 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1585267068834414592,-9223372036854775808,-9223372036854775808,0,0,0,0,0,0,0...
< 1405953779 29331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^63::Int
< 1405953780 429359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -9223372036854775808
< 1405953786 793689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you were close
< 1405953792 653689 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> product [1..63] `mod` 2^(31 + 15 + 7 + 3 + 1)
< 1405953794 177080 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0
< 1405953796 297761 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> product [1..63] `mod` 2^(31 + 15 + 7 + 3 + 2)
< 1405953797 757492 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 144115188075855872
< 1405953830 205613 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (product [1..64] :: Int) == 2^63
< 1405953831 554324 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : True
< 1405953855 344919 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :visualized it wrong. my bad.
< 1405953914 101158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well DON'T DO THAT AGAIN
< 1405953923 670368 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try
< 1405953951 602240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess this is the same for every power of 2
< 1405954027 885222 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
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< 1405958519 133766 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twelve Tones by Vi Hart http://youtu.be/4niz8TfY794
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< 1405961471 716898 :^8!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v
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< 1405962976 825756 :newsham_!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why all the stranvisnky hating?
< 1405963094 429249 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spreading rumors for the sake of publicity is a bit annoying
< 1405963213 210215 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1405963539 443874 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't stravinsky dead
< 1405963545 501380 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very.
< 1405963606 214659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who cares if a dead guy spread rumours for the sake of publicity??
< 1405963623 337761 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me
< 1405964105 329593 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-175-88-61.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1405964160 429812 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, stravinsky wrote some awesome tunes and had some great artistic ideas
< 1405964517 874371 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: She told/will soon tell you.
< 1405964760 853208 :newsham_!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: my curiosity outlived my attention span
< 1405964789 537815 :newsham_!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stravinky is prob the greatest composer evar
< 1405964814 426056 :newsham_!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely one of the most imortant and most influential
< 1405964996 812539 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: She added contrived Stravinsky hating so her work qualifies as commentary/criticism and thus Stravinsky’s grand-grand-grand-grand-grandchildren can’t sue her for copyright infringement.
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< 1405965460 483104 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, wtf are you talking about
< 1405965492 159304 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : why all the stranvisnky hating?
< 1405965520 710489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rest of the context?
< 1405965565 288996 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, one line above that message. :-P  Twelve Tones by Vi Hart http://youtu.be/4niz8TfY794
< 1405966063 81912 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good video.  tone rows are neat.
< 1405966513 375410 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr vi hart
< 1405966571 265755 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like vihart
< 1405966583 691404 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, vihartvihart is strange stuf
< 1405966590 233840 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the snail videos
< 1405966598 193441 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one rocks
< 1405966635 245530 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtu.be/UkSN-kqAmxw
< 1405966685 793458 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i don't get the microwave thing at all. i don't watch it
< 1405966802 302272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what is even your beef with vi hart again
< 1405966915 567118 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... i think her presentation of maths as fun and aesthetic is a bit too shallow?
< 1405966947 690724 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the usual
< 1405966949 224814 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of her worst videos is where she tries to explain troll pi and concludes that it results in an 'infinitely jagged curve'
< 1405966964 643708 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong w/that
< 1405966998 788608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part where it doesn't?
< 1405967021 16952 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i sure don't know
< 1405967065 597346 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it results in a regular ordinary circle
< 1405967086 702514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the important and interesting part is that just because a series of curves converge to a circle doesn't mean their arc lengths do
< 1405967100 723169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pop sci isn't completely rigorous and can be nitpicked, news at 11
< 1405967110 392246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a 'nitpick'
< 1405967118 351256 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a complete misunderstanding of the actual idea
< 1405967147 595516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like... if you said that big objects and small objects fall at the same speed because big objects are denser or something?
< 1405967158 719582 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :analogies are not my strong suit
< 1405967198 751771 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"infinitely jagged curve" doesn't sound far off from arc lengths being different
< 1405967318 121499 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the infinitely jagged answer tells you that at the end you have a curve indistinguishable from a circle, except its arc length is 4
< 1405967322 473757 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the unit circle obv.)
< 1405967348 349139 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas with the arc length one, at the end you have the actual unit circle with arc length 2pi
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< 1405967382 459119 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right though, they're not that far apart, which really makes it worse
< 1405967388 689034 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtle misconceptions are harder to shake
< 1405967521 909829 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday I had a maths panic
< 1405967565 789610 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I forgot a detail about identifying critical points
< 1405967578 505679 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ident/class/
< 1405967639 94155 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to use critical points this year and it felt weirdly dirty
< 1405967687 56703 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i should've been using some brilliant analysis trick rather than filthy school calculus
< 1405967958 726078 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be annoying being constrained by elegance concerns *randomly varies a bunch of parameters to see if that works #yolo*
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< 1405968839 49970 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, yesterday I panicked because I accidentally convinced myself that the minimum of y = x^4 wasn't a minimum
< 1405969008 17613 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, you understand, is a terrifying thing to do to oneself
< 1405969033 84386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the horror of the thing
< 1405969057 904100 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got better, though
< 1405969079 480549 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you think it was
< 1405969197 568270 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1405969200 929884 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got confused
< 1405969295 706983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting confused is the worst
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< 1405969597 237967 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially, don't trust the second derivative test. Sometimes it is inconclusive.
< 1405969766 622224 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :my maths teacher at school actually said that if the second derivative was 0 it was a point of inflection
< 1405969963 188554 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha ha
< 1405970907 261611 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget, is that ever false for smooth functions? i guess probably
< 1405970952 114795 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. x⁴. yes, ignore me
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< 1405982304 617337 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily venit, boily vidit, boily tacet erat
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< 1405982823 292526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tacuit, or maybe *tacebat
< 1405982922 900022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how quintopia got that since google agrees with the tacuit.
< 1405982993 330363 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made it up from hazy memories of high school latin
< 1405983000 44012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
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< 1405983158 596975 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was actually looking for something more like silentium erat i think
< 1405983204 317655 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe tacita est?
< 1405983250 671207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tacita seems to apply to the thing not said, not the non-speaker
< 1405983315 692697 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right
< 1405983330 841787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess "silentium erat" works
< 1405983338 419957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there was silence"
< 1405983356 546733 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted tacuavit (i can't figure out the compose sequence to put a macron on the a)
< 1405983392 492413 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ā ah here it is
< 1405983399 139537 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tacuāvit
< 1405983486 751880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't seem to find that on wiktionary
< 1405983499 769481 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :here you go: http://www.verbix.com/webverbix/go.php?T1=tacuo&Submit=Go&D1=9&H1=109
< 1405983538 97938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The verb you entered does not exist in Verbix verb database. The conjugations may not be accurate."
< 1405983583 726200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also searched for tacuo on wiktionary without finding it
< 1405983683 720302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up tacito too, but it's only listed as a participle
< 1405983685 13646 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1405983723 675434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case you wanted the frequentative
< 1405983760 824537 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's taceo
< 1405983779 123893 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tacuit is correct
< 1405983796 636097 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :google just retranslates it incorrectly as "is silent" rather than "was silent"
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< 1405987930 422691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hap-pi approximation day
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< 1405996606 125636 :amenghra!~amenghra@99-127-231-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, i just finished writing an esolang. I'm wondering if anyone thinks it's crazy (i.e. good) or lame (i.e. i wasted my time). http://quaxio.com/ajsone/
< 1405996647 768701 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this looks way too sensible
< 1405996690 452860 :amenghra!~amenghra@99-127-231-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1405996746 899733 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:XML-based_programming_languages
< 1405996780 697762 :amenghra!~amenghra@99-127-231-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure those are all turing complete
< 1405996809 872543 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, here's the one i was thinking of http://www.o-xml.org/spec/langspec.html
< 1405996854 642994 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you can see, you managed to make something about as good as this thing which somebody made seriously, and to explain it in just a page
< 1405996893 334159 :amenghra!~amenghra@99-127-231-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSXML
< 1405996910 591348 :amenghra!~amenghra@99-127-231-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one looks similar to my idea. Except json gives me less freedom than xml.
< 1405996916 682304 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«» mein gott.
< 1405996930 156975 :amenghra!~amenghra@99-127-231-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, I can't believe anyone would think that's a good idea!
< 1405996938 102245 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i remember adding homoiconicity as long as you're jsoning
< 1405996955 985769 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :recommend, not remember
< 1405996966 693879 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though really isn't all knowledge just rememberance of past lives, eh??
< 1405997089 481106 :amenghra!~amenghra@99-127-231-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for pointing out homoiconicity, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoiconicity is a great read :)
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< 1406019426 727254 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My house has been connected to the internet :)
< 1406019470 58559 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooraneb
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< 1406019630 364640 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great! 
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< 1406021843 499003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IoH, the Internet of Houses; I hear it's a hot topic these days.
< 1406022096 992370 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it bad that I get a real kick out of when I show someone a program I wrote and they reply "wtf is wrong with you"?
< 1406022231 816346 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds normal to me
< 1406022253 930934 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again I'm here on #esoteric, and so are you.
< 1406022266 742960 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/Taneb/92c2273815931be07d97
< 1406022442 352521 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, playing with Church encodings on the level of gmp's C interface has not occurred to me before :P
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< 1406022455 112867 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gödel
< 1406022460 828827 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still half asleep
< 1406022596 166893 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I get that kick too, much more satisfying than someone saying it's good code (which, of course, no-one ever says anyway)
< 1406022607 866555 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least the encoding is based on a sane pairing function, not on prime powers)
< 1406022702 327952 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I'd only use prime powers if I wanted a multiset
< 1406022710 948787 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than a bintree
< 1406022719 217089 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet of houses? is that like geocities?
< 1406022721 583788 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you could use mpz_bin_ui though
< 1406022768 862590 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's not just the sane pairing function that matters, but also that you encode a sane expression tree instead of some flat parenthisized list
< 1406022769 317815 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be nice to rewrite that thing in like haskell (or any language that has actual bignum support) so that it's possible to read it
< 1406022790 115598 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, it's actually a translation from Haskell
< 1406022846 511426 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: even libgmp++ helps
< 1406022856 828186 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, instead of computing the triangle numbers manually? That's a thought
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< 1406024453 583540 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unlambda `` ``````s``s`ksk``skk``s``s`ksk`s``s`ksk``s``s`ksk``skk.3.5 ri
< 1406024453 822606 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :  3333333333333333333333333333333333333333335
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< 1406025070 571338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how's the category business
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< 1406025625 486725 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's funny how \n f. n (\x. f (z f x)) = S B (S B), where B =  \x y z. x (y z).
< 1406025703 305098 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't stop laugghing
< 1406025873 517189 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (\n -> n*(n+1)) 2 !! 2
< 1406025875 69011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42
< 1406026036 359577 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: sorry, the 'z' in there is supposed to be an 'n'.
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< 1406030058 493497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (958) not that it will help any
< 1406030124 136186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helps me
< 1406030446 948145 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't help me, but I don't mind that
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< 1406047765 597128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you help to improve the tetx of my Dungeons&Dragons recording story?
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< 1406049812 522125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone recently thought that the templating language where loops involve SQL SELECT queries was just a dream. Well, it isn't; it is real.
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< 1406051455 927559 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what?
< 1406051484 677571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes it is true.
< 1406051603 421483 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what recording story?
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< 1406051659 81375 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: This one  http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex
< 1406051776 129230 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know this one?
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< 1406052026 12254 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
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< 1406052126 226743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now hopefully you do!
< 1406052131 649522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you play any Dungeons&Dragons game?
< 1406052142 791739 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1406052254 504168 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:d119:782b:209e:6b38 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1406052572 137448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know anything about TeX? Do you know something about writing the story?
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< 1406052866 865451 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a little about TeX. not much.
< 1406052879 650882 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough to know why it's great as an esolang
< 1406052945 673815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This file is printed using TeX, too, you can see how it works if you look, perhaps.
< 1406053124 202716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this story though?
< 1406053215 139462 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any idea when the server will be up again?
< 1406053299 602365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone has once written a BASIC interpreter in TeX.
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< 1406053586 750920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also written a program in TeX for chess, and another program which can calculate when is Easter.
< 1406053621 338078 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.151.16 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406053629 465968 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to have LaTeX add two numbers together once...
< 1406053695 861245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :douglass_: There is the \advance command to add a number in TeX.
< 1406053768 812556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know that?
< 1406053776 75182 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.151.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" so tacuit is correct" <- i would say tacebat
< 1406054079 162720 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did eventually work; I don't recall which command I used. I just remember it being a pain in the ass to add one register to another as opposed to adding a fixed number to a single register.
< 1406054494 31919 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't; using \advance you can easily add one register to another.
< 1406054665 660066 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, but it may get worse if you insist on using the crazy abstractions in LaTeX
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< 1406054744 121166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Ah, OK, although I just use Plain TeX and don't need to worry about abstractions
< 1406054774 430182 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1406054790 434479 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that douglass_ mentioned LaTeX specifically
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< 1406054851 636839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless \advance is redefined you can probably still use it on normal \count registers at least
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< 1406057552 635381 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1406057562 305875 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if golly has any decent reversible CAs built in
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< 1406058688 199932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do regular expressions define all haltable NFAs?
< 1406058866 93668 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“haltable”?
< 1406058889 165141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean ones that are not guaranteed to not halt.
< 1406058939 682246 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don’t NFAs always halt?
< 1406058973 909524 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so. i mean, finite.
< 1406058997 86489 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, right, you could have a loop, it's just that you could determine that beforehand.
< 1406059019 673548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it can be possible to make an infinite loop that never want any input, or you can get an error (which doesn't count as halting), or have infinite input, etc
< 1406059059 18521 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can only have a non-consuming loop if you use ε-NFAs …?
< 1406059078 244645 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: Yes
< 1406059112 890035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The NFAs in this book allow one line to have a lambda on it to not consume input.
< 1406059184 525331 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I guess that book has a definition of NFA that I don’t know, so I don’t think I can help.
< 1406059231 105417 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also describes DFA, which means that are no lambdas and furthermore that each possible input symbol has a unique successor state to each state.
< 1406059377 339669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lambda is the same as the epsilon.
< 1406059398 976991 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can do the normal NFA-to-DFA conversion even if there are epsilon transitions, basically merging all states reachable via epsilon transitions
< 1406059422 442347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes this book describe exactly how you do that, in fact.
< 1406059425 707274 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. Any ε-NFA is convertible into an NFA is convertible into a DFA.
< 1406059430 200084 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means they are regexps
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< 1406067167 192056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (958)
< 1406067175 416576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ☝
< 1406067179 972129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who else is on olist
< 1406067228 194057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly Sgeo boily
< 1406067247 769514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: fizzie already did that
< 1406067263 498613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess he didn't list the names
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< 1406067339 759083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1406067466 314364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is there any idea when the server will be up again? <-- possibly when Gregor stops being idle for > 8 days.  of course no one has any idea when that happens.
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< 1406071880 633841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x -> fromRational (toRational x) == (x :: Double)
< 1406071882 108738 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++ OK, passed 100 tests.
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< 1406072700 617829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> toRational (1/0::Double)
< 1406072703 98247 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs
< 1406072705 249652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> toRational (1/0::Double)
< 1406072706 781011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1797693134862315907729305190789024733617976978942306572734300811577326758055...
< 1406072714 581199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fromRational (toRational (1/0::Double))
< 1406072715 983982 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Infinity
< 1406072720 52830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute. nice. great
< 1406072751 930379 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... infinity starts with 1?
< 1406072759 863942 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell yeah it does
< 1406072786 168984 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :benford's law, man, it's just statistics
< 1406072911 888425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^1024 -- hth
< 1406072913 249313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1797693134862315907729305190789024733617976978942306572734300811577326758055...
< 1406072956 245149 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> from Rational (toRational (2^1024)::Double)
< 1406072957 705325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor ‘Rational’
< 1406072961 932146 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fromRational (toRational (2^1024)::Double)
< 1406072963 277134 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘GHC.Real.Ratio GHC.Integer.Type.Integer’
< 1406072963 457472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :               with ‘GHC.Types.Double’
< 1406072963 457625 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: GHC.Types.Double
< 1406072963 457713 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   Actual type: GHC.Real.RationalCouldn't match type ‘GHC.Types.Double’
< 1406072963 457800 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :               with ‘GHC.Real.Ratio GHC.Integer.Type.Integer’
< 1406072976 912819 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah!
< 1406072992 518953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: the result of toRational isn't a Double hth
< 1406073015 272602 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fromRational (toRational ((2^1024)::Double))
< 1406073017 113176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Infinity
< 1406073018 460323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I need to fix that script, right?
< 1406073022 937556 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking. operators
< 1406073043 17519 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, anyway i'm glad no programming language has figured out how to have numbers that aren't somehow mildly annoying yet.
< 1406073050 866061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: put it's working perfectly hth
< 1406073066 649492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: scheme's numeric tower is okay? probably?
< 1406073099 545422 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean, most of them are okay, since we use numbers all the time
< 1406073109 300910 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you look at the spec and it spends half the text on denoting floats
< 1406073113 13021 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo yeaaaaaah baby
< 1406073129 401634 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the kernel guy complained about scheme's tower specifically but he complained about everything
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< 1406073774 737597 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi amenghra 
< 1406073783 500887 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi brrr 
< 1406073795 955115 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1406073805 703370 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you working on
< 1406073858 533695 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing?
< 1406073890 707377 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1406073913 502675 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have more outstanding projects than i can remember
< 1406073931 523959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yin meet yang
< 1406073940 181273 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1406073963 908153 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only became aware of brainfuck last week :s
< 1406074009 165307 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nah we're not opposites. i'm not working on most of those things
< 1406074022 880377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :brrr: Well, now you do! Have you written any program in brainfuck or any brainfuck interpreter by now?
< 1406074057 861122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: maybe you're one of those inside spots
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< 1406074083 506246 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I haven't and I'm not sure I will lol
< 1406074171 844406 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still fascinating nonetheless
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< 1406100086 428858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1406100092 972406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :World
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< 1406100604 901463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to type more questions so that you can guess about the level20.tex even if you have not read it (or if you have, see if you can remember!)
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< 1406104877 703451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's far too hot here hth
< 1406105353 912673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140723-gmap.png   that's an interesting look for Google Maps.
< 1406105370 724328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's showing me a glimpse of some sort of alternative reality.
< 1406105506 290595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i discovered today that if i type "helsinki weather" into google it doesn't give me the answer
< 1406105530 950367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did this use to not be the case?
< 1406105549 566161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the links i clicked on give me the answer in fahrenheit :'(
< 1406105715 187961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever typed "helsinki weather" into Google.
< 1406105727 814746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1406105763 809889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know other ways of finding out the weather anymore
< 1406105796 617765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally just type "for" in the address bar[*], and press enter to select the autocompleted http://www.foreca.fi/Finland/Espoo which stays on top of the list since I visit it so often.  ([*] technically I think it's the "OmniBox")
< 1406105814 553019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly "out" for http://outside.aalto.fi/
< 1406105835 257008 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just go to weather.elec.york.ac.uk
< 1406105879 871617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Heh, that's a Finnish weather station you folks have there.
< 1406105897 992252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it says so right in the infobox too.
< 1406105923 498697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's p. detailed but most of the time the weather i am interested in is not in finland
< 1406105956 689798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreca does global weather, but it's probably not any better (or worse) than its competitors.
< 1406105962 313108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have a friend who worked there.
< 1406105992 295713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loyalty and all that. Even though he left some years ago.
< 1406106022 308868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used to have more "techy"-looking weather page from some lab or another, I don't know if it's still up.
< 1406106091 978348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the Department of Radio Science and Engineering, I think.
< 1406106246 407465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there are still some references to it here and there, but it seems to have gotten lost during the latest university website revamp.
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< 1406130230 206376 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type uncurry $ liftA2 (,)
< 1406130231 71700 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => (f a, f b) -> f (a, b)
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< 1406131473 473139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, signals in Openttd are probably worth a mention on the esowiki: it's just like TeX in that it provides you primitives for what you usually want to do, but people always want to do more complicated things and they invent crazy ways to abuse those primitives to do things they weren't meant to do 
< 1406131588 847690 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an editable wiki yet?
< 1406131607 709373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1406131613 110299 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik
< 1406131624 255431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1406131632 167098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't heard anything from Reg Rorg.
< 1406131644 933530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:08:59] -!-  idle     : 9 days 17 hours 41 mins 0 secs [signon: Thu Jul 10 05:19:40 2014]
< 1406131666 791715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is disheartening.
< 1406131676 424218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Did you see my OpenTTD thing? 
< 1406131712 689833 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, what openttd thing?
< 1406131715 875249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://zem.fi/2005-10-21-ttd-logic -- it's from way back in 2005.
< 1406131726 457304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a 4-bit adder in OpenTTD.
< 1406131739 275637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: email?
< 1406131751 472022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But that's so RUDE.
< 1406131777 185328 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice
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< 1406132126 985668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, those look like slow trains
< 1406132148 90561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm not made out of money!
< 1406132172 997183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also break down a lot.
< 1406132178 653593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's a bit silly.
< 1406132206 790100 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if this can be improved
< 1406132247 198927 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :path signals don't generally seem to help this kind of complicated stuff much, but it might help; and maybe it can be improved without path signals too
< 1406132250 184054 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1406132255 187049 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not good in openttd signals
< 1406132259 10707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is very likely. It's kind of a least-effort thing.
< 1406132261 24434 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only do basic stuff
< 1406132270 611250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably predates "path signals"; at least I hadn't heard of them.
< 1406132292 835039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was from 0.4.something.
< 1406132303 351927 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand some of the practical signal designs either
< 1406132367 345898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.openttd.org/Signals#Path_signals says path signals are new in 0.7
< 1406132378 347043 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used ottd 1.1 and 1.2
< 1406132391 197585 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe pre-signals come from ttdx
< 1406132410 805756 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1406132413 618064 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from ttdpatch probably
< 1406132442 149180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I needed a "new pathfinding" thing for those gates to work.
< 1406132444 246219 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, http://wiki.openttd.org/Comparison_of_OpenTTD_and_TTDPatch_features says pre-signals come from ttdpatch
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< 1406132531 433341 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but new pathfinding is now old and obsolate, there's an even newer pathfinding
< 1406132600 616615 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's usually better than every previous one
< 1406132601 658023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Is it actually called that? 
< 1406132607 562714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1406132610 806092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. :/
< 1406132654 65202 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called YAPF for yet another pathfinder
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< 1406132962 480363 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the record, openttd website is http://www.openttd.org , irc channel is on OFTC network #openttd
< 1406133075 25677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the ways to "abuse" the primitives in TeX to do more complicated things are even described in the official documentation.
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< 1406133286 235380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have managed to make TeX programs to sort an index, to parse algebraic chess notation, and to calculate when Easter is.
< 1406133357 299149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well sure, even with a whole appending for it, you can't expect Knuth to invent all the esoteric uses
< 1406133368 693648 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ding/dix/
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< 1406133454 846018 :Andrea2!~canaima@186.94.111.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-)
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< 1406133580 536921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared.
< 1406133583 132854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, although the primitives in TeX are more than good enough.
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< 1406133670 603426 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1406133716 603222 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone had even submitted a solution in TeX for the mars rover ICFP contest, though there the real strange part is that I don't understand why they didn't use metapost instead -- maybe because metapost has only barely enough IO primitives
< 1406133725 977344 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he claimed he simple doesn't know metapost enough
< 1406133775 293258 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got the Judges' Prize
< 1406133778 34302 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~sheard/2008IcfpContest/results/
< 1406133864 344432 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people have implemented extensions to TeX to do such thing as multiple types of marks, but I have managed to do precisely that without any extensions whatsoever!
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< 1406133912 905618 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, there are lots of extensions to TeX, some of them even seem to come from a very reasonable need, such as better unicode support in the core or bidi writing
< 1406133976 981684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to just use the non-extended TeX; it does more than I need.
< 1406133985 657897 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly, metapost is sort of a big extension to metafont: it completely replaces the picture handling while leaving most of the other parts alone,
< 1406133996 126961 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use other extensions if you want but I don't want it.
< 1406134048 953492 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also plans to change metapost to replace the whole number computation part with mpfr bigfloats, but that might not have enough pull to get a release ever.
< 1406134097 449403 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use pdftex mostly
< 1406134106 542821 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which replaces the dvi writer part
< 1406134108 477727 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also explicitly do not want Unicode support in the core; I prefer the way it is handled by TeX fonts normally. And if UTF-8 decoding is wanted, well, it is possible to do that in the ordinary TeX.
< 1406134129 641598 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, LaTeX already does utf-8 decoding, mostly
< 1406134148 458640 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the decoding is not the hard part
< 1406134158 408219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I want DVI output. I prefer DVI over PDF anyways.
< 1406134174 53240 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting ordinary typesetting with hyphenation working properly when you have more than 256 characters is the hard part
< 1406134235 869645 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the automatic hyphenation engine just doesn't do that
< 1406134254 404161 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, Vietnamese doesn't need hyphenation much
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< 1406134317 25643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I have written a program in TeX to decode UTF-8 (simply to show how it is possible), I am not using it since I prefer typing everything using the ASCII commands. Also the main document is written in languages that don't need that many characters (either that, or don't need hyphenation), and other parts of the document that aren't in such language, generally don't need to be hyphenated.
< 1406134323 995482 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this still forces people to use multiple incompatible crazy font encoding sets, each of which try to fit as many relevant characters in the 256 limit as possible
< 1406134370 625808 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus now we have the crazy T1 font encoding
< 1406134403 13813 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and incomprehensible box dumps of course
< 1406134461 553999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like T1 and stuff I prefer the format used by METAFONT; it is much better.
< 1406134480 985434 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean?
< 1406134485 641385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't matter that the encodings are incompatible because you can use TeX commands and control sequences and whatever.
< 1406134495 9618 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is simpler and far more sensible, I think.
< 1406134503 837596 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course
< 1406134509 637377 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a font encoding, not an input encoding
< 1406134512 642631 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you can use characters which do not belong to Unicode.
< 1406134513 855874 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't enter text in it
< 1406134567 752051 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that (a) 256 characters is just too short space which is why there are multiple different font encodings, and if you have text mixing two languages that don't fit in one text encoding, you're up against a very difficult task,
< 1406134582 292352 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (b) incomprehensible box dumps in error messages
< 1406134631 745885 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for characters that do not belong to unicode, well sure, in that case you'll have to find a private encoding for those characters
< 1406134639 288167 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TFM and DVI and the GF and PK graphic formats do support up to 32-bit characters actually.
< 1406134661 541275 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, those do,
< 1406134670 392785 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the TeX core itself that's the problem
< 1406134672 845635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, only the low 8-bits decide the metrics (and ligature/kerning), and TeX only will use 8-bits.
< 1406134695 157290 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But because of how DVI works, you can easily write postprocessors for DVI that will do all sorts of fixing up on it!
< 1406134708 22268 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, plus there's ligatures and kerning and hyphenation
< 1406134719 969919 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which the TeX core itself must handle
< 1406134770 845586 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :256 characters turn out to be just barely enough in practice if enough magic is used
< 1406134785 273238 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually
< 1406134798 495225 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is what I say it is enough.
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< 1406134883 473679 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the cases where it isn't, you won't generally need metrics, ligatures, hyphenation, etc anyways. For example Chinese. In such a case you could have a postprocessor to fix the DVI file. You may have some character codes with zero size and some with nonzero size, and the postprocessor then replaces the combination with 32-bit character codes having the same resulting nonzero size.
< 1406134906 13656 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what limits characters in a font to at most 16 different heights and depth by the way? is it only the tex core, or also TFM?
< 1406134953 809214 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think an even bigger problem is text with mixed directionality though
< 1406134965 538726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having to do with TFM format.
< 1406134996 901258 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1406135016 60670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"some character codes with zero size and some with nonzero size" sounds like a nice trick. that might work.
< 1406135020 817467 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still a workaround, but it might work
< 1406135068 338999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are extensions for mixed directionality, but I think it would be confusing to line wrap right-to-left text in left-to-right documents anyways, and it is better to disable line wrapping inside of such reversed text.
< 1406135072 953768 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is Omega TeX any good? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_%28TeX%29
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< 1406135171 770699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, as I have not tried it, but I have no use for it.
< 1406135176 235798 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no idea. nor about XeTeX either. I don't really know how good all the other pimped up TeXs are, I only heared they exist, I never tried to learn how they work.
< 1406135210 949393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also thing it is probably not good enough even to use Unicode since it is only 16-bits)
< 1406135261 759028 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the link I gave says it's no longer being developed and points to luatex instead.
< 1406135262 34459 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that doesn't really work out well. you need to be able to wrap opposite direction text, even if it is confusing and proper software _is_ hard to implement. just like how you need to wrap inline formulas too.
< 1406135270 213794 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :typesetting is complicated.
< 1406135290 25342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I mean it is confusing to *read* too, not only to write.
< 1406135302 516745 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: is XeTeX still developped? does it use unicode?
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< 1406135330 766552 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it can be, if you as an author of the text do it wrong. and other text can be confusing to read too. the software is not enough.
< 1406135368 406324 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's always burden on the author or typesetter professional too.
< 1406135420 124065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, such software exists as TeX-XeT and you can use if you like to, but I have no use for line wrapping embedded reversed text.
< 1406135425 38603 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the wikipedia looks like it's yes for both, though development is slow.
< 1406135437 827434 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called TeX-XeT, not XeTeX? or is that two different things?
< 1406135447 809525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Those are two different things.
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< 1406135450 102502 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1406135456 111370 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm using pdflatex myself but I don't really need Unicode)
< 1406135465 364614 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's of course lots of non-tex-derived software too
< 1406135493 249426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there is.
< 1406135519 25491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I find the best typesetting software is TeX without extensions.
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< 1406135606 621894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A postprocessor is useful however, in order to do such thing as combine pages, make use of full 32-bit character codes, make the file size smaller, expand virtual fonts, etc)
< 1406135813 429538 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
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< 1406139451 216683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I notice Z-machine documentation says: "The encoding algorithm used to create the string also specifies that whenever the current character to be encoded is not in the current permanent character set, the following character is examined. If there is a following character (i.e. not at end of string) and that character is in the same set as the current one, a permanent shift is used. Otherwise a temporary shift is used."
< 1406139500 291761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume this is from before they extended the FWORDS table to 96 entries, because this is no longer efficient, and Infocom clearly understood that as they have programmed their compilers to never use permanent shifts.
< 1406139529 530118 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, it isn't that simple: intervening spaces and fwords should be ignored when making such considerations.
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< 1406146427 330303 :ZuuHawking!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :Zuu
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< 1406150387 942128 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
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< 1406151249 2943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who will help you to beat MEDIUM_SIZE_MONSTER in Super ASCII MZX Town?  [a] Aaron Black  [b] Aberration Hater  [c] BIG_MONSTER  [d] Dave  [e] David  [f] Dr.Gray  [g] Monty Python  [h] SMALL_MONSTER  [i] The International Astronomical Conspiracy  [j] The queen of heaven  [k] The Spanish Inquisition  [l] The spider  [m] The talking tree  [n] YHVH  [o] (None of the above)  [p] (Exactly four of the above)
< 1406151456 353995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: [a]
< 1406151474 949456 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing [p], but I don't know the answer
< 1406151481 465374 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-212-113.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406151494 888405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! Try again please! ("Aaron Black" is my name, but that is not a character in the game so it doesn't count.)
< 1406151502 441371 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Which four do you expect?
< 1406151521 547549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But will you help me to bear MEDIUM_SIZE_MONSTER in Super ASCII MZX Town?
< 1406151527 445584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And [p] is wrong anyways.)
< 1406151533 469466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :beat
< 1406151540 420857 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't expect 4 in particular, but that seems to be around the number of options that seems likely to be correct
< 1406151548 476503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, you have to do it by yourself.
< 1406151558 708317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Well, you are wrong.
< 1406151575 689353 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that often happens when I guess
< 1406151576 797479 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: computer bullshit time
< 1406151588 670497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: :-(
< 1406151601 157168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Yes it is to be expected consider there is many possible choices.
< 1406151613 828440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, there is other characters in the game and other things in the game that can help with such thing, though.
< 1406151641 788369 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-212-113.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1406151647 392207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I was counting on your help.
< 1406151648 989204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :d16
< 1406151649 169557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 8
< 1406151657 98519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My new guess is [h]
< 1406151682 857387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I thought you would guess next, but wrong.
< 1406151697 993286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to make a "educated" guess rather than just at random.
< 1406151725 279142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes your first guess is wrong though, but it is OK, make a second and third guess, and earn second and third points.
< 1406151808 257329 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the question is ambiguous
< 1406151824 907539 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it about which of those entities would be helpful in the fight, if they joined in? or is it about which ones are willing to join in?
< 1406151837 653335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: O, sorry. I mean which ones are willing to join in.
< 1406151849 53798 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case I guess [b]
< 1406151850 549813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And do, in the presence of the game.)
< 1406151867 995895 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406151872 408547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I would make an "educated" guess but I'm "uneducated".
< 1406151880 991981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just what is willing but what actually does, is what it means. Even if they like to but can't, then it doesn't count!
< 1406151888 649195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it Dave from DAVE.EXE?
< 1406151891 585148 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Wrong again...
< 1406151894 591182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dangerous Dave
< 1406151897 581080 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No.
< 1406151918 837142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case my educated guess is [l].
< 1406151945 833041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are getting a bit closer because it is an actual character in the game. But... no.
< 1406151946 419560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember Dangerous Dave, though? Good times.
< 1406152066 884321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I have heard of it, yes.
< 1406152097 429060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[c]
< 1406152103 149207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1406152111 749199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone else is so bad at this
< 1406152136 125015 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm with elliott on this, specifically, the part about people who aren't me being bad, because the answer is [ß].
< 1406152157 569275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Good guess, but that isn't one of the choices!
< 1406152172 894302 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reject your arbitrary restrictions.
< 1406152180 552950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then.
< 1406152188 441076 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1406152283 698850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make up your own "arbitrary restrictions".
< 1406152367 566347 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, then I restrict the answer to be necessarily [ß].
< 1406152387 822402 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, this restriction is unnecessary, but makes it easier to understand the rightness of my thinking.
< 1406152400 465596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then, but now there isn't a correct answer because the only valid one is the wrong answer.
< 1406152429 949656 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that reminds me of a joke NPC in Pokémon, who asks where you come from
< 1406152432 77703 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I restrict the correct answer to be necessarily [ß]. Problem solved.
< 1406152436 34815 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the only answers they'll accept are yes and no
< 1406152455 397607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: O, I have seen that screenshot
< 1406152483 297320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do not know if either of those is the correct answer?
< 1406152620 933206 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there is no correct answer, either answer will just get you a reply
< 1406152631 921792 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as "no? well you have to come from somewhere, maybe you were born at the bottom of the sea?" something like that
< 1406152651 625110 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither reply has any effect on the game, and you can have the question asked to you multiple times or not at all
< 1406152655 549249 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY ARE ALL MY TABLETOP SESSIONS CURSED TO BE INDEFINITELY DELAYED
< 1406152684 1827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: For how long is it delayed so far?
< 1406152752 272811 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, we were going to have a session last month for the D&D game, but it's looking September at the earliest
< 1406152769 761044 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The werewolf game is in a similar situation
< 1406152789 188803 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Scions game was supposed to be today, but has been delayed until the week after next
< 1406152804 676288 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Diana game isn't going to happen until October most likely
< 1406152817 593543 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's good for me because I'm GM'ing that one
< 1406152871 330155 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gives me time to prepare
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< 1406153830 773467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes the D&D game I play in is also delayed but not that much and it is unknown exactly when it is going to be at.
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< 1406154067 338351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : It is disheartening. <-- on the plus side he's american so his vacations are probably not _that_ long.
< 1406154112 50455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait he's no longer idle
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< 1406154139 887067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks
< 1406154155 361415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
< 1406154156 500987 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
< 1406154257 733530 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo usuk
< 1406154258 475814 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :usuk
< 1406154273 761163 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :US/UK!?
< 1406154290 511372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably some inuit greeting
< 1406154345 888794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an informal one, with the formal one being usiuktukartatussituk
< 1406154731 374877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's called YAPF for yet another pathfinder <-- has anyone used YAY as a recursive acronym yet
< 1406154954 145425 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, Another YAY
< 1406154992 253309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm scared. <-- i had to check the raw logs to confirm my suspicion of why you said that.
< 1406155011 185274 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't me this time!
< 1406155024 393178 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it was
< 1406155025 525821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed.
< 1406155025 954465 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it?
< 1406155042 199975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i believe it was Andrea2
< 1406155095 125316 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1406155099 209753 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to try harder
< 1406155126 912782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time a canaima user comes along, we have to try to extract how they found us
< 1406155170 962093 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we have any regulars who actually speak Spanish?
< 1406155213 798453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there are some who know a bit
< 1406155375 35377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yiyus looks promising, although i don't remember last e talked
< 1406155377 641949 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I need to try harder in general, really
< 1406155599 529939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and although je.je.je might attract spanish people, it doesn't mean e is one
< 1406155719 79464 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ====> sleep
< 1406155808 286392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not trying harder, how can be scary without a properly f'ed up sleeping schedule
< 1406155816 948497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ca nyo
< 1406155828 755194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty ping ishard
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< 1406156728 236850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, a new parting gif
< 1406158326 786781 :vifino!~vifino@37.24.78.77 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1406173768 825590 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
< 1406173797 792202 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1406173948 221304 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-184-244-109.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1406176500 64840 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1406176600 786077 :amenghra!~amenghra@99-127-231-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1406178608 580383 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406178852 983955 :amenghra!~amenghra@99-127-231-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406179558 367702 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:6d15:367c:896e:74e4 NICK :^8
< 1406180774 672307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DNS, it has been changed.
< 1406180789 667710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we just have to wait for it to PROPAGATE and then we're BACK in BUSINESS.
< 1406181058 317278 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1406181059 572600 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what DNS?
< 1406181114 68108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org.
< 1406181116 633695 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1406181122 172066 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :who did the survey by the way?
< 1406181160 404454 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just finally filled it out
< 1406181209 195643 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's the new hosting service?
< 1406181233 186993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not new.
< 1406181264 251269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sleeping beargor woke up and did something; the old server's back up.
< 1406181284 321714 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, does this make CloudAtCost not terrible?
< 1406181329 94682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not; I mean, it was unavoidably down quite many days.
< 1406181363 391023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard to say when they fixed it, but the tweets suggest about ten days of average downtime.
< 1406181728 378202 :amenghra!~amenghra@99-127-231-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1406182812 382807 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1406183031 54519 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-212-113.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1406183448 217709 :conehead!~conehead@67.10.235.179 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406183448 491784 :conehead!~conehead@67.10.235.179 QUIT :Changing host
< 1406183448 491915 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406183794 633273 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how am I supposed to survive without hackego :(
< 1406183841 954539 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com
< 1406183849 199441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo What do you mean?
< 1406183849 993077 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean?
< 1406183868 263752 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1406183870 742208 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's back!
< 1406183873 660848 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1406183873 954088 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1406183884 315311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the very same server.
< 1406183901 392193 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406183944 413751 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkdir -p /etc/etc/etc/ad\ nauseam
< 1406183945 216149 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `mkdir --help' for more information.
< 1406183954 233521 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkdir -p "/etc/etc/etc/ad nauseam"
< 1406183954 884298 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `mkdir --help' for more information.
< 1406183961 458693 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkdir --help
< 1406183962 197907 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: mkdir [OPTION]... DIRECTORY... \ Create the DIRECTORY(ies), if they do not already exist. \  \ Mandatory arguments to long options are mandatory for short options too. \   -m, --mode=MODE   set file mode (as in chmod), not a=rwx - umask \   -p, --parents     no error if existing, make parent directories as needed \   -v, --verbose     print 
< 1406183976 832796 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkdir -p "/etc/etc/etc
< 1406183977 665479 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `mkdir --help' for more information.
< 1406183979 721028 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkdir -p /etc/etc/etc
< 1406183980 403374 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `mkdir --help' for more information.
< 1406183983 337307 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it
< 1406184082 11518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to use `run if you have more than one argument.
< 1406184092 11270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plain ` passes everything after the command as a single argument.
< 1406184109 474446 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mkdir -p "/etc/etc/etc/ad\ nauseam"
< 1406184110 380670 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir: cannot create directory `/etc/etc': Permission denied
< 1406184112 541815 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1406184122 93523 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +w /etc
< 1406184123 488986 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod: changing permissions of `/etc': Operation not permitted
< 1406184126 87044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for making things like  `addquote  Whatever shell metacharacters may be here.  to work without having to quote everything.
< 1406184126 737465 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +w /
< 1406184127 499782 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod: changing permissions of `/': Operation not permitted
< 1406184162 877304 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine then
< 1406184163 865513 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1406184164 877486 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :660)  Incest, the enemy of graph theorists everywhere.
< 1406184170 922080 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it.
< 1406184187 158172 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott this is all your fault
< 1406184192 800921 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/alise
< 1406184193 620651 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: wisdom/alise: No such file or directory
< 1406184198 677782 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the worst
< 1406184218 509338 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo elliott's not hiding over here >alise
< 1406184219 309136 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
< 1406184223 6743 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo elliott\'s not hiding over here >alise
< 1406184226 385075 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1406184229 61761 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo elliott\'s not hiding over here >/wisdom/alise
< 1406184229 808880 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: /wisdom/alise: No such file or directory
< 1406184238 44941 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo elliott\'s not hiding over here >wisdom/alise
< 1406184239 624736 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1406184241 537311 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm alise
< 1406184243 170040 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1406184252 901754 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mkdir -p etc/etc/etc/ad\ nauseam
< 1406184253 799954 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1406184300 876034 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406184346 601121 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some kind of weblist with all the quotes?
< 1406184355 760233 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes
< 1406184358 364442 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.7340
< 1406184374 149198 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :see also wisdom.pdf in the topic
< 1406184415 894884 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr QUIT :Quit: Cya!
< 1406184462 857289 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run addwep Monoids A monoid is just a subalgebra of the STR algebra, if you squint hard enough.
< 1406184464 745692 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1406184554 235177 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1406184561 345126 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: where's hackego's current site?
< 1406184566 352916 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not going to codu
< 1406185061 187863 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? urbandictionary
< 1406185062 279423 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :urbandictionary? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1406185103 206162 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run addwep urbandictionary "Urban Dictionary is an alternative, inferior wisdom database."
< 1406185104 839458 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1406185605 340282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "not going to codu" mean? 
< 1406185689 254449 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1406185689 682432 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1406185694 59378 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the URL is out of date
< 1406185703 420041 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or my cache wasn't clearing
< 1406185705 25524 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the two
< 1406185713 580550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :EWORKSFORME
< 1406185759 277507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to get technical, the "physical" address is http://www2.codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1406185759 458355 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run addwep "works for me" "Error: unable to read wisdom database. try again later."
< 1406185761 176760 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1406186726 148366 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406187067 732077 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1406187981 855110 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the physical address is probably an IP address hth
< 1406189652 146065 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406189847 369168 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406191180 969468 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406193090 957272 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tzvfapnxbenqsfrc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1406193336 531319 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406193458 553534 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goood morning
< 1406194011 225867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ?
< 1406194792 715525 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406195450 336170 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/addwep
< 1406195450 984998 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ echo "$2" > "wisdom/$1"
< 1406195944 514481 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406196037 717171 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated
< 1406196053 922032 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406196167 885527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why do you say e.g. "tiedätko sinä suomea" instead of "sinä tiedatko suomea"
< 1406196181 937222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like the english weirdness where you switch the order of words when you ask a question
< 1406196215 949191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course "sinä" is optional in the first place, if i understand correctly, but nevertheless)
< 1406196253 760948 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because languages are weird?
< 1406196257 274348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be "tiedätkö", and I think people would generally say "puhutko", if you're talking about the language.
< 1406196271 61165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, yes, that
< 1406196300 108682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i know but i was trying to use a different verb for once because i've been using "puhua"too mcuh :'(
< 1406196313 444595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, it's some sort of "special sentence order for questions" thing.
< 1406196354 824354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word that denotes it is a question is moved to the front, or some-such.
< 1406196387 106919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, ok
< 1406196393 247286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can sometimes put the interrogative suffix (-ko, -kö) into different words in order to denote emphasis.
< 1406196418 109262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how
< 1406196427 430761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Puhutko sinä suomea?" do you speak Finnish, with no particular special emphasis -- "Suomeako sinä puhut?!" do you speak *Finnish*?!
< 1406196459 237415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the latter order, it has "out of all possible languages, you're speaking Finnish! what's wrong with you!" connotations.
< 1406196477 309073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it's always on one word, but you can choose which one?
< 1406196502 228160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. "Sinäkö puhut suomea?" would also be legal.
< 1406196514 292434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you're trying to find the one Finnish speaker in a group, for example.
< 1406196541 980162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, "is it you who speaks Finnish
< 1406196547 446370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you want special emphasis on the verb
< 1406196653 892107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, are questions pronounced by raising your voice a little bit toward the end of the sentence, as in english and other languages?
< 1406196682 240318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the first variant technically emphasizes the verb, it's just that it's the most common/expected so it doesn't feel special.
< 1406196722 400425 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't think there's a rising intonation for questions. At least nothing as dramatic.
< 1406196741 21065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't even just saying "sinä" a sort of emphasis?
< 1406196758 131958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have been misled
< 1406196767 566116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is, since it's not necessary.
< 1406196854 19825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could use "puhutko sinä suomea", possibly with a bit more stress on "sinä", in the aforementioned "trying to find the elusive Finn" scenario; and you'd probably just ask "puhutko suomea?" if you're asking someone in general.
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< 1406196871 246539 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Language names aren't capitalized, incidentally.)
< 1406196872 495027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you decide whether to add it in or not
< 1406196904 511227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i can analogize to hebrew except it's not as common there
< 1406196921 77620 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're making what?
< 1406196924 754002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I was wondering about that.
< 1406196957 121004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is capitalized?
< 1406197047 310744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proper nouns, generally.
< 1406197065 358111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not many things that English does, like days of the week, or months of the year.
< 1406197101 606215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Names of countries are, but their languages aren't, and the nouns for the peoples aren't either.
< 1406197118 549028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the country is "Suomi" but the language is "suomi" and a Finn is "suomalainen".
< 1406197170 121605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the language is "suomi", how does one arrive at "suomea"?
< 1406197260 521544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's some good rule. The final i does turn to an e in all inflected forms of "suomi" I can think of.
< 1406197270 657515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"suomea" would be the partitive case.
< 1406197284 128583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Finnish_declension/ovi
< 1406197303 424834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"KOTUS type 7 (ovi): Two-syllable nominals ending with -i; consonant gradation possible. All other cases replace -i with -e-. Partitive ending -a/-ä and genitive plural ending -en. -e- of stem dropped before plural marker -i-."
< 1406197440 712214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all words that end in -i work that way. There's e.g. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Finnish_declension/risti
< 1406197456 433698 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Fansdesks 5*  10New user account
< 1406197463 596209 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Translate translates "Do you speak English?" to "Puhutko Englanti?". Should it be "Puhutko englantia?"?
< 1406197465 892781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Two-syllable nominals ending with -i; consonant gradation possible. Partitive ending -a/-ä and genitive plural ending -en. -i of stem changes to -e- before plural marker -i-, except in genitive plural, where it is dropped."
< 1406197475 207706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the latter would be correct.
< 1406197478 513123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or maybe "Puhutteko", of course.)
< 1406197502 125864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"puhuttekste", if you're speaking colloquially and in plural.
< 1406197512 955395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. Google Translate isn't very trustworthy.
< 1406197520 915034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if you wanted a closer analogue of "do you know Finnish?" it would possibly be "osaatko suomea?"
< 1406197539 329661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"puhuttekste"?
< 1406197596 858524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"puhuttekste suomee?" or "puhutsä/puhuksä suomee?" would be colloquial/slangy/dialecty/vernacular versions of "puhutteko suomea?" and "puhutko suomea?"
< 1406197648 931247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-(
< 1406197650 271294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As close as I can transcribe, anyway; they're more spoken stuff, though I'm sure some people write like that in chat.
< 1406197694 734490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kids these days write "onx" for "onko", anyway. Or so I hear.
< 1406197784 673519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still need to figure out what people are talking about when they say "partitive".
< 1406197801 782225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three-year-olds speak Finnish just fine without knowing all that. :-(
< 1406197840 154549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why we have a partitive case.
< 1406197866 754620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As an example of the irresultative meaning of the partitive, ammuin karhun (accusative) means "I shot the bear (dead)", whereas ammuin karhua (partitive) means "I shot (at) the bear" without specifying if it was even hit."
< 1406198006 27605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you happen to have any other examples?
< 1406198044 677445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitive_case which has (single) examples of the various different contexts for the partitive.
< 1406198058 261401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "used with uncountable nouns" case is the one I'd've thought of first.
< 1406198126 732245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's a difference between "saanko lainata kirjaa?" (one of the examples) and "saanko lainata kirjan?", it's a very subtle one.
< 1406198162 986387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "luen kirjaa" / "luen kirjan" pair is more clear.
< 1406199148 447112 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Fansdesks14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40161 5* 03Fansdesks 5* (+1418) 10Created page with "Hard work is one way to gain an impressive number of followers on Instagram. But there’s another way: Just [http://fansdesk.info/buy-instagram-followers/ Buy Instagram Follo..."
< 1406199182 731443 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah wikispam
< 1406199234 603052 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ehird 5*  10deleted "[[02User:Fansdesks10]]": Hard work is one way to gain an impressive number of visits to your website. But there’s another way: Just Spam Web Sites.
< 1406199247 655292 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Ehird 5*  10blocked [[02User:Fansdesks10]] with an expiry time of indefinite (account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page): Spamming links to external sites
< 1406199468 470684 :AfkSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :TieSoul
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< 1406203793 789784 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of wish Haskell wasn't the first language I got really into
< 1406203808 334556 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I always miss a lot of its features in pretty much any other language
< 1406203822 552663 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I try to write programs in other languages as though they were Haskell
< 1406203898 853908 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you mean you use camelCase instead of underscored_names?
< 1406203916 279150 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among other things
< 1406203936 750057 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people do that in C++ independently of haskell
< 1406203947 969415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like it
< 1406204197 440300 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406204585 456333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody does it in Java and C#, thanks to the standard libraries doing it.
< 1406205239 878330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406205502 835852 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I shall cosplay on Saturday
< 1406205519 321409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you sinplay instead
< 1406205556 407397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erfplay.
< 1406205557 462386 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I may cotplay
< 1406206135 756260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/addwep
< 1406206136 341699 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ echo "$2" > "wisdom/$1"
< 1406206160 25415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom/*onoi*
< 1406206160 683713 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/*onoi*: No such file or directory
< 1406206170 397613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*onoi*
< 1406206171 337316 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/hthmonoid \ wisdom/monoid \ wisdom/monoidal category \ wisdom/monoids \ wisdom/Monoids
< 1406206183 718475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how would i say "i'm talking about finnish"?
< 1406206189 94319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, wisdom/ is such a mess
< 1406206193 474907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hthmonoid
< 1406206194 773337 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hthmonoids hthmonoids hthmonoids hthmonoids hthmonoids hthmonoids ...
< 1406206200 752322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: coppro messed it up yesterday
< 1406206213 617486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or earlier today
< 1406206219 34056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Monoids
< 1406206220 331205 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are the easy version of categories.
< 1406206229 485851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1406206229 766108 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1406206233 977534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat wisdom/Monoids
< 1406206234 642647 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A
< 1406206284 762147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What we really need is a version of `learn that lets you specify your own name and splits on the first whitespace.
< 1406206295 685026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I really need is to go to sleep.
< 1406206307 762924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well `addwep is obviously a broken attempt at that
< 1406206321 174153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1406206335 165407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no way a program run with `run could ever do it.
< 1406206582 725580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoid
< 1406206583 769666 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are just categories with a single object.
< 1406206586 552462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoids
< 1406206587 325235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are the easy version of categories.
< 1406206590 317897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Monoids
< 1406206591 92832 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are the easy version of categories.
< 1406206599 113754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/Monoids
< 1406206600 377465 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1406206610 893984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that won't ever be shown by `? anyway
< 1406206625 83422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? urbandictionary
< 1406206625 821657 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urban Dictionary is an alternative, inferior wisdom database.
< 1406206637 85107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? works for me
< 1406206637 802500 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: unable to read wisdom database. try again later.
< 1406206650 169309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NO HE BROKE IT
< 1406206799 754931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "Puhun suomen kielestä", probably, to make it more explicit (than "puhun suomesta").
< 1406206895 728493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "tarkoitan suomea/suomen kieltä" for a different sense of "I'm talking about X".
< 1406206975 520035 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoidal category
< 1406206976 377880 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoidal categories are just 2-categories with a single object.
< 1406207072 17656 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :icfp contest anyone?
< 1406207151 429122 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, what language will you be using?
< 1406207163 987131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I probably won't be doing anything this year
< 1406207180 737646 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll read the task and spend time on it only if it seems very interesting AND if I have time
< 1406207195 446387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will definitely read the task though, this is a spectator sport
< 1406207198 356393 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I know that I have the time
< 1406207204 277640 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to #icfp-contest
< 1406207207 353964 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :when is it?
< 1406207212 493181 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: tomorrow
< 1406207219 693988 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://icfpcontest.org/
< 1406207247 574597 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would do it with my programmer housemate, but our common languages are Python and C, and I'm not all that great at C and neither of us particularly like Python
< 1406207307 809348 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: combine multiple languages then
< 1406207324 425381 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a C++ guy and I'm a Haskell guy
< 1406207328 621634 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The result may not be pretty
< 1406207342 920865 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that could depend on the task I guess
< 1406207349 864579 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or one of you writes the code in the language of choice, and the other works on analyzing the problem
< 1406207371 710603 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, that may be a better idea
< 1406207373 297357 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: have you looked at the background of the http://icfpcontest.org/ webpage, http://icfpcontest.org/images/bkg.png ?
< 1406207386 350152 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on some earlier icfps there might be separate tasks to work on independently though
< 1406207407 166082 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not solid
< 1406207407 379216 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, not in great detail
< 1406207426 509894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to have a pattern made of squares of two different colors
< 1406207720 137072 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1406207828 282415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and its size isn't even divisible with the size of those squares
< 1406207835 849388 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/jDaoHBg.png
< 1406207841 645681 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's it in black and white
< 1406207889 445324 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the webpage might come form https://github.com/icfpcontest2014/icfpcontest2014.github.io
< 1406207994 427585 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm more of a perl and C++ person anyway)
< 1406208062 191759 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like I'm teaming up with my housemate
< 1406208967 285751 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so is the background a hidden message of some sort?
< 1406209597 735905 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so, but it could be
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< 1406215878 628134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yay at the wiki being back
< 1406215883 717246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any plans to move it still?
< 1406216459 725796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, I'll think about it, but *lazy*
< 1406216540 933182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::<
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< 1406216554 145810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about I move it and you maintain it after that so I can sleep at night? :p
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< 1406217165 857057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calm down, it's only ones and zeroes.
< 1406217295 521540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be very very dark and I will be eaten by a graue for letting the wiki fall into such bargain basement hosting :(
< 1406217367 50347 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have computers improved to the stage where they can actually run MediaWiki yet?
< 1406217369 889050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1406217400 398603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: no
< 1406217517 262217 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame PHP
< 1406217535 787896 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40162&oldid=40089 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+1) 10/* Character set */ '='-character
< 1406219133 481128 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406219431 301775 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn ((a -> Void) -> Void) -> a
< 1406219431 621200 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- f cannot be realized.
< 1406219445 638898 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw that one in an article talking about the Curry-Howard correspondence
< 1406219467 11205 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a true statement in most logics, but the article claims (without proof) that it can't be expressed in lambda calculus
< 1406219472 604973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's double-negation elimination.
< 1406219477 285281 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1406219484 134109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :intuitionistic type theory corresponds to intuitionistic logic.
< 1406219492 689525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :double-negation elimination is equivalent to LEM
< 1406219499 569336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[proof tombstone]
< 1406219527 261659 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the standard lambda calculus type system models intuitionistic logic, presumably
< 1406219529 685314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: if you had that function you could write a term of type (Either a (a -> Void))
< 1406219533 259413 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't quite sure which logic it corresponded to
< 1406219543 90379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your intuition should be enough to tell you that's impossible without _|_
< 1406219545 689073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because parametricity)
< 1406219558 574649 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah hah
< 1406219567 684353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a standard lambda calculus type system :)
< 1406219598 239279 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, perhaps; you can talk about "typed lambda calculus" without people shouting at you, though
< 1406219633 273226 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one I know is identity, weakening, abstraction, application, and the main point of contention is whether contraction should be implicit or explicit
< 1406219652 901179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the STLC is a rather boring logic, at least
< 1406219661 400435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ?
< 1406219699 237186 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, that (Either a (a -> Void)) type reminds me of the halting problem, in a way
< 1406219727 305776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: because it's a decision procedure for every proposition?
< 1406219734 858497 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1406219755 805030 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, there's a different problem
< 1406219770 289210 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is that given two different Voids, you can't even construct Void1 -> Void2 in Haskell, I don't think
< 1406219774 80841 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you could with a pattern match
< 1406219782 342238 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just write let voidconvert v = case v of
< 1406219787 573018 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's the entire function
< 1406219797 556469 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I don't think that's valid syntax, though
< 1406219819 525131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, I think I was just laughing at "standard lambda calculus type system" too
< 1406219853 553240 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have problems (at work) with people assuming things are standardised when they actually aren't
< 1406219905 548847 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to write a pattern match with zero cases in Haskell?
< 1406219971 640424 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TLS certificates are such a pain to deal with :/
< 1406220087 618073 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_ : 
< 1406220112 205505 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Void -> a
< 1406220112 400188 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f = void
< 1406220152 465809 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn-add type NotNot a = Not (Not a)
< 1406220163 131206 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn NotNot (Either a (Not a))
< 1406220163 315356 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a = void (a (Right (\ b -> a (Left b))))
< 1406220188 554073 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`void' is `void v = case v of {}'
< 1406220189 244265 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: void': not found
< 1406220211 297510 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type either
< 1406220212 298299 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> c) -> (b -> c) -> Either a b -> c
< 1406220223 1966 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :  void :: Void -> a
< 1406220317 50794 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: thanks, was just reading that page
< 1406220332 804468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: you can interconvert given absurd :: VoidN -> a
< 1406220356 209165 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, the point was that the empty case lets you define absurd in the first place
< 1406220361 712753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is implementable for "newtype Void = Void (forall a. a)" and "newtype Void = Void Void" with no extra extensions
< 1406220365 758402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "data Void" with the empty case extension
< 1406220378 69745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that the first one requires the RankNTypes extension to state)
< 1406220378 252413 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, something I learned from that page is that OCaml's "function" keyword doesn't have a Haskell equivalent by default, but GHC implements it as "\case"
< 1406220386 514020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :absurd x = x `seq` undefined is also an OK implementation
< 1406220394 652204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can proof that the _|_ is never reached
< 1406220397 505323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*prove
< 1406220399 873602 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first one really only requires `PolymorphicComponents')
< 1406220421 705323 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway, I read up about rank N and rank 2 types a bunch because it was relevant to my research
< 1406220427 184443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even absurd _ = undefined is fine, really, since you have to abandon _|_ inputs anyway)
< 1406220432 918797 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_ : yes, it's a bit sad that we had to wait so long for it
< 1406220446 188441 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out that type inference for rank 2 types is actually decidable, but ghc doesn't currently infer it
< 1406220475 572975 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in SML, `if foo then bar else baz' is sugar for `case foo of true => bar | false => baz' is sugar for `(fn true => bar | false => baz) foo'
< 1406220481 568970 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Would that be a reason to have separate extensions for rank 2 and rank N?
< 1406220491 102666 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : it could be
< 1406220493 224949 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: possibly it would be
< 1406220511 17173 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and currently both exist as separate extensions)
< 1406220517 49304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rank2Types is deprecated I think
< 1406220536 505583 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: in OCaml, I'd guess that the primitive would be "match foo with True -> bar | False -> baz"
< 1406220551 993359 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe "(function True -> bar | False -> baz) foo"
< 1406220558 933527 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1406220566 133231 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, it's probably the same as SML in that respect
< 1406220632 45141 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_ : "something I learned from that page", which page ?
< 1406220640 289125 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, a quirk of Reddit I've been noticing: if an article gets a really large number of comments, the best ones are on the second page
< 1406220645 51505 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: the one you most recently linked to me
< 1406220662 308765 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some background: I work in type theory research, and don't really use Haskell, but sometimes I use it to test out theories
< 1406220664 849722 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't see OCaml mentioned at it
< 1406220683 312275 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: oh, that's because I know much of OCaml quite well, but not really Haskell
< 1406220696 482425 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see
< 1406220697 333917 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I learn something new about the comparison between OCaml and Haskell, it's normally on the Haskell side
< 1406220720 786108 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Agda2, one'd write `void' differently
< 1406220743 778105 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :  void : {A : Set} -> Void -> A
< 1406220746 425946 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :  void ()
< 1406220758 279055 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`()' is an absurd pattern
< 1406220758 922699 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ()': not found
< 1406220773 177268 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and if you use it, you don't need a definiens)
< 1406220812 663956 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, imo, it could make more sense to allow a definiens here)
< 1406220837 754636 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION idly wonders which part of type theory ais523_ works on
< 1406220841 595623 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: Agda2 has explicit foralls?
< 1406220855 315288 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: finite-state type theory, especially affine logics
< 1406220858 92852 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by "explicit foralls" ?
< 1406220871 237210 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the System F style where you have a type parameter to functions
< 1406220887 315772 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the OCaml style where you write 'a and it implies a type parameter for 'a
< 1406220892 624930 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's just dependent functions
< 1406220905 393586 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, Agda2 (and Agda1) has implicit arguments
< 1406220919 656460 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :with explicit arguments, the above would just look like
< 1406220929 237034 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :  void : (A : Set) -> Void -> A
< 1406220931 524857 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :  void A ()
< 1406220963 567419 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also say stuff like
< 1406220967 544824 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1406220995 717340 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, in a dependent type system, there's no difference between a lowercase (value) lambda and an uppercase (type) lambda, because values and types are combined
< 1406220996 152838 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :  _++_ : {A : Set} -> {m : Nat} -> {n : Nat} -> Vector A m -> Vector A n -> Vector (m + n)
< 1406220999 676450 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :where
< 1406221003 834071 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :  _+_ : Nat -> Nat -> Nat
< 1406221010 687155 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1406221018 925688 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Vector : Set -> Nat -> Set
< 1406221032 237411 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1406221065 643018 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in `_++_', the `m' and `n' natural length arguments are implicit
< 1406221097 258916 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since usually when you use `_++_', you apply it to arguments so that `m' and `n' can be inferred)
< 1406221136 542310 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've not heard the name "finite-state type theory" before
< 1406221160 354178 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like a version of "of course", indexed with a natural number expressing how many times you may use the resource ?
< 1406221166 424144 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_ ^
< 1406221167 764543 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a pretty small niche, because it's sub-TC by definition
< 1406221174 65095 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: that's "bounded contraction", which is part of it
< 1406221182 674518 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a whole chapter of my thesis is on the subject
< 1406221194 128933 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where I argue that there's a design error in all the bounded contraction type systems I'm aware of
< 1406221201 60325 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, the non-dependently-typed ones, that is
< 1406221205 849070 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds interesting
< 1406221215 783199 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(are there any dependently-typed ones ?)
< 1406221228 365337 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but they're massively complex and I don't really understand them
< 1406221243 713268 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they noticed the same error I did, and worked around it using a hideously complex dependent typing variant
< 1406221254 834020 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas I'm working around it with intersection types
< 1406221268 484780 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm, ok
< 1406221291 613290 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic problem's to do with the fact that the contraction bounds aren't properly polymorphic
< 1406221303 304965 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds scary
< 1406221307 281011 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only recall seeing some notes by Pfenning that didn't treat the quantifiers in a substructural way, iirc
< 1406221344 912396 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's not that bad, being sub-TC is sort-of a magic fix for half the problems in type theory
< 1406221350 641044 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all of a sudden, you can solve problems by brute force
< 1406221366 750225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um :/
< 1406221368 685629 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should try to ask this channel about non-eso theoretic problems
< 1406221372 889599 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, one of my major results is that SCC (and similar type systems) have decidable type inference
< 1406221374 78306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a small half :)
< 1406221374 901149 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sub-TC" means substructural variants of Type Theory, yes ?
< 1406221385 732962 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try that
< 1406221413 821992 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: well, in this case, I just mean that with relatively normal semantics, programs in the type systems in question have decidable inference
< 1406221420 265029 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*decidable equivalence
< 1406221430 813644 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which implies that the languages can't be Turing-complete
< 1406221450 412857 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1406221454 574775 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406221500 548897 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite-state languages are those in which the semantics of any program can be represented as a state machine
< 1406221520 580751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: total functional programming languages don't necessarily need substructural type systems...
< 1406221528 916838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agda and Coq aren't considered subtructural, are they?
< 1406221537 407226 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I am using substructural type systems
< 1406221540 400362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, this gets back to how ambiguous "TC" is :/
< 1406221542 871725 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do Agda and Coq have decidable equivalence?
< 1406221551 285151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm pretty sure you can model brainfuck in a substructural type system too
< 1406221557 15600 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I guess you have to define what equivalence is
< 1406221562 611324 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in a total language, all programs halt
< 1406221572 279141 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the halt status of any two programs is the same for any given input
< 1406221578 797056 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the "normal" definition isn't going to work
< 1406221583 923068 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott : i know. i was just initially thinking "sub" here was short for "substructural"
< 1406221593 216934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1406221619 106626 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, "sub-TC" means "does not live up to (is below) the status of Turing Completeness"
< 1406221636 597507 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hm, for some strange reason i was seeing "TT" instead of "TC")
< 1406221645 618940 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is quite common in esolangs by new designers which are not BF derivatives
< 1406221669 952276 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually some of the BF derivatives are sub-TC too, which should be really embarrassing for the designers unless that was intentional)
< 1406221680 42710 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1406221704 953216 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, do you mean that variant that takes the program as unary?
< 1406221711 226292 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's still TC
< 1406221725 820884 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno then
< 1406221734 96848 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, the world needs a dependently typed turing tar pit esolang
< 1406221761 135667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I like the implication that TC is high-status.
< 1406221802 347264 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, New Scientist was busy talking about apparently serious efforts to construct a super-Turing computer
< 1406221816 605574 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the researchers wanted to create an analog computer that processed arbitrary-precision reals, I think
< 1406221826 762458 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I don't think they'll succeed
< 1406221832 156779 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it would be great if they did
< 1406221840 515437 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: I wonder what that would look like
< 1406221863 344992 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it'd either be dependently typed lambda calculus, or something unlambda-style with combinators
< 1406221876 285558 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(normally I'd explain combinators but based on your nick, I don't think there's a need)
< 1406221925 746803 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :AfkSoul
< 1406222051 386935 :AfkSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :TieSoul
< 1406222086 985411 :mshock_!~mshock@172.56.6.240 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406222087 821398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that? One reason I try to write my own Famicom emulator is because I don't like hash checking and I don't like the method of loading FDS programs that most emulators use.
< 1406222135 205819 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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< 1406223354 723798 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406223652 986865 :mshock_!~mshock@172.56.6.240 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1406224284 575282 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1406225241 95844 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03JuliannCoffin 5*  10New user account
< 1406225295 150326 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406225460 833759 :mshock!~mshock@pool-72-64-105-212.dllstx.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406226100 985905 :rgbMode!~rgbMode@c-68-80-253-127.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406226903 5638 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the wiki back?
< 1406226904 976664 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS IT?
< 1406226913 326155 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :The message isn't showing anymore
< 1406226950 797830 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: I've seen occasional edits
< 1406226955 25716 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not read-only any more
< 1406226960 825987 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES
< 1406226980 977669 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have two languages that aren't on there
< 1406226988 803014 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1406226992 545628 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet
< 1406227116 138025 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03TieSoul 5*  10New user account
< 1406227144 827881 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay I'm now a user
< 1406227175 529392 :rgbMode!~rgbMode@c-68-80-253-127.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1406227316 517899 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:TieSoul14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40163 5* 03TieSoul 5* (+93) 10Created page with "List of languages created by TieSoul, in chronological order:  * [[Befunk]] * [[Replacefuck]]"
< 1406227318 633281 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_ :)
< 1406227329 568590 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
< 1406227467 649841 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O (  Iä ! )
< 1406227705 185594 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :smale's cool. imo read his problems
< 1406229015 208957 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :AfkSoul
< 1406229027 260666 :AfkSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :TieSoul
< 1406230106 953915 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.151.16 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406230136 161488 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.151.16 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1406230391 790083 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-30-21.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406230536 198460 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1406230875 749567 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406231375 119085 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406231537 506054 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1406232066 797963 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1406232272 934220 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03TieSoul 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Befunk-euler1.png10]]": Project Euler problem 1 in Befunk.
< 1406232438 811691 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406232504 606326 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunk14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40165 5* 03TieSoul 5* (+6031) 10Created the page.
< 1406233039 162408 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1406233392 701714 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1406234278 101308 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote use !tell
< 1406234278 982371 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1406234291 373429 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote use @tell
< 1406234292 379819 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :498)  monqy: help how do I use lambdabot to send messages to people. [...around half an hour later...]  @messages   quicksilver said 1y 2m 18d 19h 54m 29s ago: you use @tell
< 1406234402 343499 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406234500 274640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still can't fucking believe that
< 1406234559 507743 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor can I
< 1406234576 717766 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, we missed a trick
< 1406234583 605591 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have waited for them to leave and then sent the message again
< 1406234589 85554 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell CakeProfit you use @tell
< 1406234589 265938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406234597 630475 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully in a few years we can set a new record
< 1406234605 914645 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, misspelled it
< 1406234610 307691 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell CakeProphet you use @tell
< 1406234610 488524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406234610 684707 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 NICK :^4
< 1406234623 806954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he uses different nicks these days.
< 1406234689 36985 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, that'll increase the timeframe before it happens again
< 1406234705 549058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly to forever, yes
< 1406234742 97306 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the "possibly" I care about
< 1406234747 269280 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really mind if it never happens
< 1406234943 273656 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406235736 609466 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406235771 779424 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :profit, prophet ... Dogma was a nice movie.
< 1406236107 44018 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I found out that one of the lecturers here, his research seems to include Eodermdrome
< 1406236139 945714 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... huh
< 1406236160 127728 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't lecture you (at least, not in person physically), so presumably other people have been picking up my esolang without me being aware of it
< 1406236185 478548 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, I don't mean the language specifically, but certainly something resembling it quite closely
< 1406236192 433691 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Detlef Plump, if the name is familiar
< 1406236280 117268 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not familiar to me
< 1406236281 625486 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :graph rewriting is a serious research topic
< 1406236294 73883 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, graph rewriting is not just me, I've seen it elsewhere
< 1406236334 951547 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just described to me by someone who had attended a seminar about a language based on replacing subgraphs with a shape similar to a given one
< 1406236346 244487 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which in my head immediately rang bells
< 1406236415 653068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :detlef plump is a great name
< 1406236468 645941 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, for me, esolangs.org is showing the "read-only" notice and has no CSS
< 1406236488 546108 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Login error There is no user by the name "ais523". Usernames are case sensitive. Check your spelling, or create a new account. 
< 1406236504 781543 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be that the DNS hasn't propagated
< 1406236516 543744 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's mentioning fail.esolangs.org in the retrieved pages
< 1406236533 989570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try reloading with all kinds of modifier keys already? 
< 1406236617 332527 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, could you have a gander at http://www.cs.york.ac.uk/plasma/publications/pdf/Plump.CAI.09.pdf ?
< 1406236629 141281 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I tried control-shift-R
< 1406236634 989552 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that it's DNS-related
< 1406236678 966212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it can be both. But also the esolangs.org DNS records have pretty long TTLs.
< 1406236684 894226 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's much more complex than eodermdrome
< 1406236688 229340 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. it has flow control
< 1406236702 679227 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the core is the same
< 1406236704 358467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I had to shift-reload for Chrome to pick up a new DNS entry; they've got their own resolver, I guess it has a cache too.)
< 1406236752 385774 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I wish I knew this lecturer so I could tell him about Eodermdrome
< 1406236758 100858 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: not really, the core's more general by being more complex, I think
< 1406236786 30102 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it allows combinations of "must have an edge" and "can't have an edge" that don't exist in Eodermdrome
< 1406236790 25962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you tell the proper IP address then maybe you can manually override it temporarily.
< 1406236791 380832 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that it's quite similar
< 1406236807 637242 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the difference is that that language is designed for working on existing graphs
< 1406236814 326433 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that aren't designed specifically to work with it
< 1406236823 837226 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas in Eodermdrome, you use the graph for data storage and flow control and everything
< 1406236860 383471 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: tell him about it anyway, I might end up getting a citation :-)
< 1406236888 355460 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid I've never met him.
< 1406236895 699969 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have him next term for something
< 1406236898 885674 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the other really big difference
< 1406236904 403032 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the nodes are labelled in that language
< 1406236908 769747 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they all look the same in Eodermdrome
< 1406237017 193089 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1406237067 573676 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if I get talking to him I promise I'll mention it!
< 1406237129 882307 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1406237410 55959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1406237882 689467 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
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< 1406240009 201534 :not^v!~notnot^v@150.198.1.2 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1406241051 529620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :El canal que se pregunta por qué los usuarios de Canaima vienen aquí, a pesar de que no hablamos español. | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1406241094 765495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone understands spanish they might fix the grammar (i only managed to fix hablamos)
< 1406241190 773037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not Spanish, so I don't know.
< 1406241212 308437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did not expect you to be
< 1406241229 197488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most Spanish speakers aren't Spanish.
< 1406241240 841566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how many spanish speakers there are in british columbia.
< 1406241256 416453 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either, but probably there are some.
< 1406241307 189767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Olen suomalainen, mutta en puhu suomea. :-(
< 1406241349 889058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION guessed right what that meant
< 1406241374 209465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must have absorbed some from all the discussions here
< 1406241916 149204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (and currently both exist as separate extensions) <-- i vaguely recall Rank2Types is just a (deprecated) synonym for RankNTypes nowadays.
< 1406242114 9101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523  btw, a quirk of Reddit I've been noticing: if an article gets a really large number of comments, the best ones are on the second page <-- wait how do you read reddit comments such that it's divided into pages
< 1406242114 604323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406242173 57182 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have missed a talking about dependent types in here, and they didn’t even use idris-bot.
< 1406242188 624434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
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< 1406245341 650025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 1d40
< 1406245342 560177 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ᵀ
< 1406245357 577230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ᵀ
< 1406245358 546047 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1D40 MODIFIER LETTER CAPITAL T]
< 1406245372 677296 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d40
< 1406245372 857769 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: 36
< 1406245376 945887 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice roll
< 1406245393 280477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno it's a bit square
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< 1406246569 568057 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40166&oldid=39975 5* 0341.227.146.80 5* (+15) 10/* General languages */
< 1406246588 49680 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1406246590 705381 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki!
< 1406249835 45382 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem!
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< 1406250480 296095 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03MikelIcely 5*  10New user account
< 1406250506 136590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by wikipedia's news, you'd think flying was dangerous or something
< 1406250555 180503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wtf
< 1406250662 976504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie i clearly remember visiting the newly editable wiki earlier tonight, but now the DNS has turned _back_ to the uneditable version.
< 1406250663 195586 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406251079 721282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the Imakuni?'s cards?
< 1406251110 534343 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the proper IP address for the editable wiki? You could temporarily override it manually until it is fixed.
< 1406251148 295002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i found it from another (nvg) server
< 1406251167 988466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm too lazy unless it's important
< 1406251687 463149 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some tournaments for various games have tie breakers; it is common. However, I prefer to defer any tie breakers until they are needed, allowing the tie to stand when possible. What is your opinion of this? (Clearly, it depends on the tournament format.)
< 1406251777 720723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, soccer is like that, tie breaking is only used when there has to be a winner.
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< 1406252079 377361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that in Rock-Paper-Scissors tournament, in case of a tie normally the game continues normally, but if it happens too often then the referee is required to interfere.
< 1406252227 227671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Pokemon Card, there is a standard "sudden death" rule, however I do not like it and instead use the following rule: If the game ended with both players meeting win conditions just after one player attacked, before poison is checked, then the attacker loses; otherwise the tie stands. Standing ties are then deferred according to tournament conditions.
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< 1406252317 577398 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arete Code
< 1406252501 611975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the rule in poker if you cannot divide the pot?
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< 1406252987 886391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that in Pandante (Texas Hold'em for Pandas), such a situation is impossible; the amount of the pot is always even and if there is a tie of more than two players, nobody gets paid anything.
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< 1406254160 848896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the massacre continues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/FALSE
< 1406254439 882356 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a Pokemon Card manga where Professor Oak invents Pokemon Card?
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< 1406259704 297161 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the best way to convert .wmv to something playable on Macs easily?
< 1406259718 656549 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried using VLC to convert to mp4, but the sound came out garbaled
< 1406259832 513648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If nothing else works, you can try to just record the output of Windows Media Player.
< 1406260194 366715 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ffmpeg?
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< 1406260495 388945 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can try
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< 1406260532 1181 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some horrid command line invocation but it'll work
< 1406260572 366305 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cygwin doesn't have it?
< 1406260584 695090 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were on a mac
< 1406260608 472901 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are people who need to view this file who are on a mac
< 1406260618 924955 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1406260631 345073 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupidly, I recorded it with GoToMeeting
< 1406260631 984901 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there are ffmpeg binaries for windows, on the site, you don't need cygwin, probably
< 1406260661 893463 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION downloads
< 1406260677 369047 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i transcoded things on windows i used winamp but that was years ago and also it's bloated as shit nowadays or wahtever.
< 1406260797 111585 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought WinAmp was dead
< 1406260836 405886 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Despite AOL's announcement, the Winamp site was not shut down as planned, and on January 14, 2014, it was officially announced that Belgian online radio aggregator Radionomy had bought the Nullsoft brand, which includes Winamp and Shoutcast."
< 1406260881 535632 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION twitches at WinAmp's website
< 1406260892 853356 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That laptop looks like it's off the screen in my browser
< 1406260998 714469 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep
< 1406261153 341246 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want to maintain the same bitrates, do I use ffprobe and look at the kb/s of each individual stream?
< 1406261205 108349 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I think -crf 0
< 1406261468 220660 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, that takes way too long
< 1406261480 989488 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do macs come with ffplay?
< 1406261595 616929 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
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< 1406263578 753306 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erflistdate!
< 1406263842 371841 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... the file is too big to attach, ugh
< 1406266938 440282 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:6d15:367c:896e:74e4 NICK :^8
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< 1406267393 981442 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr NICK :BRRR
< 1406267430 419008 :BRRR!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr NICK :brrr
< 1406267643 411828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan WELL THAT'S FUNNY I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UP WITH THAT
< 1406267643 592261 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406268071 597638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan More seriously, perhaps your ISP has two (or more) name servers, only some of which had the old esolangs.org cached.
< 1406268071 815761 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406268186 437428 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist
< 1406268187 63020 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti
< 1406268192 783971 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(959)
< 1406268227 437369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also AIUI, a CRF of 0 would be an entirely lossless encoding, since it's going to translate to a -qp of 0.
< 1406268305 972998 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, lossless but encoded from a video that was presumably lossily encoded in the first place
< 1406268314 315775 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I don't understand video codecs.
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< 1406278240 744676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Subject: CAN I DEPOSIT 20,000,000.00GBP INTO YOUR ACCOUNT"
< 1406278247 699158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A very excited piece of spam.
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< 1406278667 732876 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40167&oldid=40108 5* 03TieSoul 5* (+13) 10Befunk added.
< 1406279004 784799 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunk looks awesome
< 1406279055 958174 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, befunge is concurrent?
< 1406279294 46074 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunk14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40168&oldid=40165 5* 03TieSoul 5* (+205) 10Added external resources.
< 1406279386 724362 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a concurrent version of Befunge-98
< 1406279424 199375 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an instruction 't' that adds another IP going in reversed direction of the IP that runs it.
< 1406279437 148884 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1406279449 440901 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with one shared stack or one stack per IP?
< 1406279461 124991 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :one stack per IP
< 1406279468 140599 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, one stack stack per IP
< 1406279493 204945 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPs do inherit stack stacks from their parent IPs
< 1406279505 365864 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least they should
< 1406279515 452841 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :some implementations don't do that
< 1406279538 532948 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn
< 1406279558 165555 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the descriptions for 400, 401 and 402 are cut off D:
< 1406279588 119177 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a befunge to befunk converter
< 1406279752 929510 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :A perfect one cannot be made
< 1406279778 136767 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :because  of instructions that are executed both in and not in stringmode
< 1406279783 540268 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so strings will get messed up
< 1406279843 53890 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunk14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40169&oldid=40168 5* 03TieSoul 5* (+68) 10Fuxed the descriptions for instructions 400 through 402.
< 1406279960 481356 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I didn't fux it
< 1406279965 344711 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed*
< 1406280254 396159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also vague plans for an asynchronous concurrency fingerprint for Funge-98.
< 1406280259 666450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATHR or something like that.
< 1406280307 736565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the "native" concurrency (via 't') mandates that each IP executes a single tick in alternating order.
< 1406280358 659304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also rumours that one of the less-known intermediate versions (Befunge-96 or Befunge-97, I forget which) did shared-stack concurrency.
< 1406280403 741503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://frox25.no-ip.org/~mtve/tmp/bef_maillist_0_520.txt seems to suggest that it was -96.
< 1406280412 294858 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1406280414 258602 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to get a desk
< 1406280472 552349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you could 3d-print one.
< 1406280475 688320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be very 2014.
< 1406280507 749841 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would be great if I had access to a 3D printer, and my landlady hasn't said that she'll buy me one if I find one
< 1406280525 217638 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, she'll buy me a desk
< 1406280528 395952 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a 3D printer
< 1406280553 725648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try explaining that a 3D printer equals an unlimited amount of desks.
< 1406280568 926056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as they fit in a, say, 16x16x16 cm cube, and don't have to be very strong.
< 1406280615 481071 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think IKEA may be a better short-term solution
< 1406280895 333746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our desks are of the GALANT series.
< 1406280904 821953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it a "system"? 
< 1406280908 70013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, they're not bad.
< 1406281236 117775 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought our desks from here http://www.theofficesuppliessupermarket.com
< 1406281270 858980 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're nothing exciting to look at, but pretty solid.
< 1406281465 77102 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is writing a program to play Neutron http://www.gamerz.net/pbmserv/neutron.html
< 1406282704 49535 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I use newlines in code blocks properly on the wiki?
< 1406282852 309183 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay figured it out.
< 1406282878 890592 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Replacefuck14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40170 5* 03TieSoul 5* (+1464) 10Created page.
< 1406282953 957248 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40171&oldid=40167 5* 03TieSoul 5* (+18) 10Added replacefuck.
< 1406283044 935380 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought up and implemented replacefuck in like 15 minutes :P
< 1406283117 21255 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 minutes is a long time in the life of a brainfuck derivative
< 1406283167 341219 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1406283174 592089 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? brick
< 1406283175 578402 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brick goes in brain.  The statutory punishment for perpetrators of brainfuck derivatives.
< 1406283267 727176 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1406283268 609181 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1406283316 885566 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406283361 749269 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey boily
< 1406283407 629230 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please wait while boily is fully booted..."
< 1406283428 793404 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just got out of bed. not entirely coherent yet. my toasts need nutella.)
< 1406283566 653998 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunk14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40172&oldid=40169 5* 03TieSoul 5* (+0) 10
< 1406283572 305494 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/deadpool-arrested-on-sydney-train-police-alerted-to-superhero-armed-with-guns-grenades-and-ninja-swords/story-fni0cx12-1227001404525?nk=11bebdd40bbec2cef7639e9952ed7285
< 1406283721 669837 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunk14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40173&oldid=40172 5* 03TieSoul 5* (+5) 10Fixed '|' not displaying in the instruction table.
< 1406283774 373646 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: good morning!
< 1406283781 33754 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Tanelle!
< 1406283807 259782 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? test
< 1406283807 955782 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1406283814 9779 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sweeeet :D
< 1406284069 761432 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi boily 
< 1406284125 878908 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels good to be able to update the PDF again ^^
< 1406284498 628837 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Topsy turvy14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40174 5* 0391.125.156.167 5* (+1149) 10Created page with "==Language definition== '''Topsy Turvy''' operates on an array of cells, each initially set to an undefined value. A data pointer initially points to the cell in the centre of..."
< 1406284656 297616 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also inverts all stat changes on the foe :P
< 1406284672 229820 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a pokemon reference
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< 1406286179 858494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. LaTeX/BibTeX is putting the locatio and the year of a random conference at the top of the bibliography for no discernible reason.
< 1406286252 480642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the source .bib file, there's a @proceedings entry, and two (cited) @inproceedings entries referring to it with a crossref field.
< 1406286351 178548 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1406286385 868906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDGI.
< 1406286468 710293 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406286476 186004 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a stray space somewhere is wrecking the numerical/alphabetical/asciibetical order?
< 1406286612 39483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I mean, it's not a complete entry or anything.
< 1406286644 830893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just says "Chiba, Japan, Sept. 2010" on the top of the bibliography.
< 1406286801 17388 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird.
< 1406286811 501238 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: POSET CHICKEN
< 1406286828 10055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, uh... in the two entries where it *should* say that, it just says a nonsensical "con (2010)".
< 1406286921 902287 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impossible to diagnose, there are too many variables, starting from the bibstyle, which may just be buggy
< 1406286935 544054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in:  [...]. In /Proceedings of the 11th Annual Conference of the International Speech Communication Association (Interspeech 2010)/ con (2010), pages [...]
< 1406286950 351010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With // denoting italics.
< 1406287022 933415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the other similar stuff works fine.
< 1406287212 840647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It vaguely seems to happen if there is more than one entry pointing (with crossref) at the same conference.
< 1406287225 472473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's just silly, since the whole point was to share those.
< 1406287416 459641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, the style is natbib's "abbrvnat".
< 1406287614 158925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I make a second conference with >1 crossref to it, it puts the address and year of that also on top of the list, and then writes "con (1984)" in the entries.
< 1406287635 909830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes it sound like it's something intentional.
< 1406287643 813552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I need to look at the natbib documentation.
< 1406288044 189560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, I can't seem to find anything about automagically doing something like that.
< 1406288149 209089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't happen if I don't use the crossref, but that's silly.
< 1406288210 751474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's apparently a bibtex feature.
< 1406288303 29456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bibtex -min-crossrefs=100" made it stop; apparently it will then only make some sort of automagical separate "crossref" entries if there are at least 100 references to the same thing.
< 1406288330 380742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any idea why it decided to "abstract out" only the address and year, and not e.g. the booktitle.
< 1406289564 354651 :shikhout!~shikhin@59.177.207.170 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406289596 396717 :shikhout!~shikhin@59.177.207.170 NICK :Guest6283
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< 1406290100 744304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why NIPS papers' "official" BibTeX files use @incollection instead of @inproceedings. I mean, it is a conference.
< 1406290172 870436 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406290650 29321 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1406290994 720491 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone add the two languages used in this year's icfp to the wiki
< 1406291000 125730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you figure out how they work
< 1406291007 450659 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe
< 1406291010 863434 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do that only after the contest
< 1406291504 177256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-bold
< 1406291504 396649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 6h 37m 40s ago: WELL THAT'S FUNNY I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UP WITH THAT
< 1406291504 396813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 6h 30m 32s ago: More seriously, perhaps your ISP has two (or more) name servers, only some of which had the old esolangs.org cached.
< 1406291589 469796 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .
< 1406291950 538017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Page(s): I"    I certainly doubt that.
< 1406291972 968730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since the paper is 4 pages.
< 1406291999 41030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently the "correct" answer is it's pages from "I - 289" to "I - 292".)
< 1406292045 623393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How about NOW? 
< 1406292132 687484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this looks decisively un-editable.
< 1406292224 346648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why that should be.
< 1406292242 522480 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The TTL time should be 86400 seconds, also.
< 1406292252 413574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1406292257 602055 :axtens!~axtens@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406292263 818010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time-to-live time.
< 1406292269 321609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :PIN numbers and all that.
< 1406292294 598801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should try restarting the router.
< 1406292407 964517 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long ago was the DNS changed? my dig shows a TTL of 10000 remaining (for esolangs.org)
< 1406292476 763209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, nothing changed
< 1406292540 360159 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1406292558 217725 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406293533 693940 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406293703 77634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: And what address? 
< 1406293720 118017 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 162.248.166.242
< 1406293731 197903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's the new one.
< 1406293738 300949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the old one.
< 1406293741 333045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the right one.
< 1406293748 220982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a matter of definitions, of course.
< 1406293775 347933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, I think I changed it around 9AM (EEST) yesterday, which should have been more than a day ago.
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< 1406296727 562688 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: they don't seem particularly hard to figure out, fwiw, they're almost fully documented by the icfp description
< 1406296763 821349 :axtens!~axtens@r180-216-32-38.cpe.vividwireless.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1406297681 386758 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Quit: .
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< 1406298669 269160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah, but they're sort of unrealistic, as in, they don't really look like something you'd have in a 1980s microcontroller, and especially the way the interrupts are designed seems to want to deliberately limit the ghost's power
< 1406298683 637788 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :io and computation power
< 1406299557 901489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, certainly not as esoteric as Endo's DNS
< 1406299600 914275 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me, Endo's DNS certainly needs a mention on the esowiki
< 1406299623 862428 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's a crazy pattern matcher language
< 1406299629 531160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :string pattern replacer
< 1406299687 544066 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :endo's dns?
< 1406299958 213233 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: from a previous ICFP contest
< 1406299968 280090 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1406300008 989614 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a self-modifying string pattern matching language with a much more powerful matcher than just fixed strings
< 1406300056 197454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can copy long strings in quasi-constant time so you need some kind of balanced tree representation to implement it properly (this is basically mentioned in the task spec)
< 1406300065 29592 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy and concatenate and slice
< 1406300902 840698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was the year everyone was discussing ropes, right
< 1406301105 353957 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if modifying my c++ template lisp compiler is a reasonable way to attack this problem
< 1406301187 474348 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a what compiler?
< 1406301382 617759 :hektor!972a384d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.42.56.77 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406301416 569568 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ghost
< 1406301417 461361 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :417)  monqy: last night in my dreams I saw a false photo album of my childhood... looking ghostly \ 461)  I MIGHT BECOME GHOST
< 1406301430 119624 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wrong ghost
< 1406301633 361544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote spirit
< 1406301634 208804 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :809)  88)  (still, whatever possessed anyone to invent the N-Gage?) [...]  Is there supposed to be a joke in 88?   Unless "N-Gage" is some pseudoscientific spiritual mumbo-jumbo, I don't get it.   Oh, it's a cell phone gaming thing apparently \ 1084)  btw, ^v, what are your approximate geographic coördi
< 1406301703 807955 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: anyway, it takes s-expressions coded as c++ types and interprets them to types or compiles them to functions
< 1406301704 761321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote spirit | tail -n +2
< 1406301705 545570 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1084)  btw, ^v, what are your approximate geographic coördinates and body weigh?  <^v> 300 and USA   nice to see that ^v is keeping with the spirit of the channel by providing completely useless answers to the question.
< 1406302016 765557 :^8!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:6d15:367c:896e:74e4 NICK :^v
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< 1406302297 186636 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.151.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've solved infinite dimensional 3x3x3x... tic-tac-toe!
< 1406302333 169737 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :solved?
< 1406302386 606964 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.151.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :found a strategy to always win as X
< 1406302417 724480 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1406302430 16615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :logically, the first player is always able not to lose
< 1406302454 305400 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.151.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna play a game? moves are infinite sequences of {-1,0,1}
< 1406302467 350026 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.151.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i feel like testing my strategy)
< 1406302495 750219 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :moves must be computable sequences?
< 1406302516 962629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that matters
< 1406302521 837707 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.151.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1406302525 14135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if it's a finite game
< 1406302539 399277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in steps)
< 1406302629 297578 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... _infinite_ sequences?
< 1406302650 897567 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.151.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. cause the grid is infinite-dimensional
< 1406302653 117292 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just win in the first 3 dimensions?
< 1406302653 332104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he _did_ say infinite dimensional, b_jonas 
< 1406302659 369572 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
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< 1406302706 744084 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it's easy, for the first three moves you just make three generic moves (that is, they're linear independent with all previous moves including yours and the opponent),
< 1406302715 248254 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have to open positions to finish
< 1406302716 20132 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1406302717 850325 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, not quite
< 1406302724 54608 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit more complicated 
< 1406302748 817708 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically something like that works
< 1406302754 210080 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :your first move is all zeros,
< 1406302768 413359 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1406302775 361567 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :first move is all -1 I mean
< 1406302781 753878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hunch that there is some finite dimension which suffices to show the strategy
< 1406302792 649767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that's obvious if the game is bounded
< 1406302795 281792 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :next move is random sequences of all -1 and 0
< 1406302800 528430 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.151.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed; it's 3
< 1406302814 785096 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :third move is random sequence of all -1 and 0 but such that where you had 0 in second move you have 0 here too
< 1406302820 105548 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then fourth move you win
< 1406302902 93835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you need to ensure the opponent didn't win first
< 1406302932 201730 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.151.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15495351/inftic.pdf
< 1406303065 428704 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastaquote
< 1406303066 729888 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :967)  I think pastaquote should just quote me
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< 1406303095 229764 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote pasta
< 1406303095 410974 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(does it always produce that quote, or was I incredibly lucky?)
< 1406303095 836259 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :967)  I think pastaquote should just quote me
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< 1406303111 574176 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ exec quote "pasta|spaghetti|macaroni|maccheroni|ravioli|fusilli|tortellini|noodle|tagliatelle"
< 1406303131 794764 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastaquote
< 1406303132 397647 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :967)  I think pastaquote should just quote me
< 1406303137 494064 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote noodle
< 1406303138 61841 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1406303151 805419 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote steak
< 1406303152 293716 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1406303155 405959 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ravioli
< 1406303156 216567 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1406303157 682497 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote food
< 1406303158 321286 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :52)  actually just ate some of the dog food because i didn't have any human food... after a while they start tasting like porridge \ 112)  ais523: elf corpses are not considered expensive health food. but the most expensive. \ 350) * perlmonkey is pursuing the line of reasoning that eating raw foods can improve cognitive function  
< 1406303159 634437 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote soup
< 1406303160 440128 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :86)  if you claim that the universe is more than 3D the burden of proof is on you to produce a klien bottle that doesn't self intersect    ^ I learned that trick from atheists \ 305)  my most fresh dream is one where I'm at a soup contest and a chicken really wants to participate but he's disqualified so he becomes th
< 1406303186 759272 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo q*
< 1406303187 386100 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quines quotes
< 1406303197 184036 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep 'pasta|spaghetti|macaroni|maccheroni|ravioli|fusilli|tortellini|noodle|tagliatelle' quotes | wc
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< 1406303208 938713 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` egrep 'pasta|spaghetti|macaroni|maccheroni|ravioli|fusilli|tortellini|noodle|tagliatelle' quotes | wc
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< 1406303220 818624 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no luck involved
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< 1406305885 279818 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's possible to program the GCC (ICFP esolang) in a procedural way such that you don't use the call stack except at startup to set up a large enough environment frame for all the registers you need
< 1406305909 590477 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you just jump around the code with TSEL and use the environment as registers and work as if it was a register machine
< 1406305932 753358 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the ST and LD instructions
< 1406305958 984079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is, which proves this is a multi-paradigm esolang
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< 1406307152 450417 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you taking a video? http://youtu.be/1ACpoOkNEcQ
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< 1406309796 955384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan
< 1406309797 795097 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl.
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< 1406311964 969343 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody knows a bit about g8 and sbt and wants to tell me what i'm doing wrong on following a readme?
< 1406312087 670474 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, i want to use https://github.com/ajhager/libgdx-sbt-project.g8 and get a bunch of errors on desktop/run
< 1406312753 590696 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03ChelseaEthridge 5*  10New user account
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< 1406316224 634079 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOGA computer looks to be a really simple kind of computer, probably can be done with only a few 74xx series. How easily do you think a similar thing could be put into a Famicom cartridge?
< 1406316359 128601 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there designations for how powerful a particular model of a finite state machine is? Such as how many steps need to be inserted when converting from an arbitrary finite state machine, and how many steps are inserted when converting into an arbitrary finite state machine.
< 1406316442 374059 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406316571 743444 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is looking for a quote about paper, scissors, stone (preferable by John von Neumann)
< 1406316762 393556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any such
< 1406316883 278692 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406317409 471121 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no depmod on openwrt. What a pain
< 1406317437 628577 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it doesn't realise that to load sd_mod it need to load scsi_mod
< 1406317485 358262 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling hasn't helped so far
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< 1406319101 448363 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a non-esoteric question. Can you recommend me a good textbook on LR-variant parsers for context-free languages?
< 1406319164 434747 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've borrowed the book (John E. Hopcroft, Rajeev Motwani, Jeffrey D. Ullman, "Introduction to Automata Theory, Languages, and Computation", 2nd ed, Addison-Wesley)
< 1406319173 99052 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoping that it would be like that, but no
< 1406319193 121641 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out that's an introductory textbook to formal languages, and says very little about LR parsing
< 1406319210 686217 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so please recommend me a good book
< 1406319222 173203 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder where else to ask, hmm...
< 1406319225 197715 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in #haskell ?
< 1406319245 930499 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a room called ##parsers as a matter of fact
< 1406319296 433201 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys: isn't that for existing parser software? I'm more interested in theory
< 1406319303 973553 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll try #haskell or maybe #haskell-blah
< 1406319315 93446 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and
< 1406319331 911352 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :#algorithms
< 1406319354 815904 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd prefer if you just gave a recommendation here
< 1406319367 161764 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, as far as i can tell it's filled with people that are interested in parsers and parsing
< 1406319423 737887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Dragon Book has a chapter, I think.
< 1406319449 40875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit more generic-audience book than just parsers, of course.
< 1406319511 840941 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess I'll ask ais specifically 
< 1406319520 321565 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: let me look at that
< 1406319540 606118 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: which Dragon Book?
< 1406319556 501811 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PART :#esoteric
< 1406319596 619470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: "Compilers: Principles, Techniques, and Tools".
< 1406319608 337318 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1406319659 433253 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a detailed TOC of that available somewhere?
< 1406319690 323915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pearson.ch/1471/9780321491695/Compilers_Principles_Techniques_and.aspx has one.
< 1406319699 605045 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1406319750 145557 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"4.7 More Powerful LR Parsers" sounds great, thanks!
< 1406319792 929888 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check the library catalogs then
< 1406319856 376525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what would "OHHEA, OHHEA !!!!" mean?
< 1406319863 553400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it trying to be "onnea"?
< 1406319866 908335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so.
< 1406319891 412813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps referring to the Cyrillic н? 
< 1406319917 372480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, i thought that was an H but it wasn't
< 1406319942 617314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually "ОННЕА, ОННЕА !!!!"
< 1406319972 250987 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I was just about to say that perhaps it was ОННЕА.
< 1406319981 862460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm confused
< 1406319987 14954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does ОННЕА mean
< 1406320011 861759 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://translate.google.com/?source=osdd#auto/en/%D0%9E%D0%9D%D0%9D%D0%95%D0%90
< 1406320046 273055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that quite answers the question
< 1406320054 645191 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1406320060 488949 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you’re Not, sure
< 1406320099 897760 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’mn’t`ap`tail
< 1406320143 758173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Russian dictionary doesn't know anything about "ОННЕА".
< 1406320145 13336 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :found only one copy of the 2nd edition of "Compilers, principles, techniques and tools", and that one might not be possible to get
< 1406320182 396475 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe it's not the dictionary form?
< 1406320190 785584 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it's a declension
< 1406320205 559032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's very possible; I only did one year of Russian, and forgot all about it. (Still, I would've expected to see at least something similar.)
< 1406320206 376709 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sour grapes
< 1406320213 710921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes people do write Finnish transliterated to the Cyrillic alphabet "for the lulz".
< 1406320223 158675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case it would be "onnea", again.
< 1406320231 557767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might try to phone them in any case
< 1406320267 817222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the person who wrote this message is a finnish speaker who has learned russian within the past few years
< 1406320311 445622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the subject of the email was "HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!"
< 1406320311 649575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they also have a reason to congratulate you? 
< 1406320314 303338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1406320321 999623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it sounds like maybe "onnea" is appropriate
< 1406320325 487222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in that case I'd go with my hypothesis.
< 1406320417 195065 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to check his compiler books
< 1406320423 242295 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1406320519 766891 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wot? no phone number?
< 1406320665 204861 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'll ask for this but it might be unborrowable
< 1406320770 154189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My compiler textbook is Appel's "Modern compiler implementation in Java", but that's not my fault.
< 1406320781 279669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what our compilers course used.
< 1406320805 578473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a total of 13 pages about LR parsers.
< 1406320834 175088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does explain the concepts, anyhow.
< 1406320888 905451 :hektor!972a384d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.42.56.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw do you have any tips on writing parser generators?
< 1406320907 261375 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a book "Crafting A Compiler" which describes LR parsers.
< 1406320909 147085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the (I think usual) progression of LR(0) -> SLR -> LR(1) -> LALR(1).
< 1406320913 810041 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually want to parse a language that's not even LR, so I'd prefer variants that aren't strictly less powerful than LR(n)
< 1406320928 793866 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: let me check that
< 1406320934 381477 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing really on my bookshelf.  Several books just have a token 20-30 page section on LR parsers. The Red Dragon book has 32 pages.
< 1406320937 69699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemon is a LALR(1) parser generator.
< 1406320954 332554 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you sure? I had the impression that Lemon is an LL parser generator
< 1406320978 125948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used it, as well as made some modifications to it, so now it can also be used to parse some LR(1) grammars that aren't LALR(1) too, if you give it the commands to do so.
< 1406320987 8309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, it is LALR(1).
< 1406320998 281418 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok
< 1406321170 605386 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Fisher, Charles N, "Crafting a compiler with C", Benjamin/Cummings, copyright 1991. is this it? and is it the latest edition?
< 1406321185 727422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that isn't it.
< 1406321199 975129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it is Benjamin/Cummings.
< 1406321207 253452 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait, here's another one
< 1406321214 421236 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the same author
< 1406321216 957614 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1406321232 810008 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is written by Charles Fisher as well.
< 1406321235 433706 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fisher, Charles N, "Crafting a Compiler", Benjamin/Cummings, cop. 1988
< 1406321240 573288 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1406321249 987023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think it is that one.
< 1406321250 565660 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the title changed in the newer edition then?
< 1406321268 965304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't mention C much; most of the code in the book uses Ada.
< 1406321275 111714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that older one isn't available
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< 1406321283 469795 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, maybe it's rewritten or something
< 1406321289 22555 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try to search the net for info about this
< 1406321328 763048 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no
< 1406321349 889893 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1406321351 372509 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusing
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< 1406321715 842283 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~fischer/ says there's a revision of Crafting a Compiler
< 1406321719 213404 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 2010
< 1406321775 714541 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are all these books about compilers? I just want to parse language, I don't want to write a compiler
< 1406321791 717355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The book mentions parsing too, not only compiler
< 1406321814 349297 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1406321927 762078 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most compiler books spend like half their time on parsing
< 1406321930 777677 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite mysterious to me.
< 1406321934 178263 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03JArcane 5*  10New user account
< 1406322026 905591 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that's me!
< 1406322052 761634 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1406322055 654292 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? isn't the wiki still read-only?
< 1406322064 16470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1406322070 353718 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea, I haven't submitted a page yet.
< 1406322070 534265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been back for almost two days already.
< 1406322076 333276 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1406322086 698246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: If you want a real classic, there's always http://www.amazon.com/Theory-Parsing-Translation-Compiling-Volume/dp/0139145567/
< 1406322099 821406 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks, let me check that
< 1406322135 330581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a compiler book, but it's a multi-volume set and the first volume at least claims (based on the name) to be about parsing only.
< 1406322200 385038 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, wait, what were the languages I wanted to mention on the wiki? Endo's DNA from a previous ICFP contest, and what was the other one?
< 1406322224 393570 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, OpenTTD of course
< 1406322232 613720 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe a stub for this year's ICFPc
< 1406322235 661550 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :two
< 1406322246 251251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's by some of the same people as the Dragon Books, so maybe it's redundant, who knows.)
< 1406322257 670685 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sure, those people have lots of books
< 1406322269 49355 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the book I mentioned first are by them too, isn't it?
< 1406322317 3856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there's some overlap there too, yes.
< 1406322337 515108 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't there one more thing I wanted to add?
< 1406322338 797439 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1406322437 189414 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HDNA should be on the wiki
< 1406322633 61648 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the best name for that language? "Fuun DNA"? Fuun is the species apparently
< 1406322655 99135 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I split it to two pages, "Fuun DNA" and "Fuun RNA"?
< 1406322668 637509 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNsToEecC_M
< 1406322706 765761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I don't know why, but it seems that sometimes the actual address record can have a TTL of three (3) days.
< 1406322706 946069 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406322771 902224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan ...now I'm not saying I'm certain, but this "$TTL 3D" line might have something to do with it...
< 1406322772 82530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406322814 86866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Long story short, the DNS propagation can take up to three days in the worst case. BAD LUCK.
< 1406322814 285815 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406322845 983365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think perhaps I should drop that down to a more reasonable one day.
< 1406322873 383135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps even 12 hours or something.
< 1406323051 347189 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:edd6:152f:a7f6:a847 NICK :Shibe42
< 1406323061 7784 :Shibe42!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:edd6:152f:a7f6:a847 NICK :^v
< 1406323305 76266 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40175&oldid=39207 5* 03B jonas 5* (+208) 10add more todo
< 1406323489 798445 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, 
< 1406323532 27623 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Alfred V. Aho, Jeffrey D. Ullman, The theory of parsing, translation, and compiling, 1972. this is actually available
< 1406323540 18019 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's a classic, this might be what I should look at
< 1406323595 573104 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so first volume of that? ok
< 1406323782 897062 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07VIOLET14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40176 5* 03JArcane 5* (+2936) 10Created page with " ''VIOLET'' (Verbose Interactive Operating Language for Educational Terminals) is an interpreted programming language alleged to have been the custom onboard language develope..."
< 1406323821 406872 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40177&oldid=40171 5* 03JArcane 5* (+13) 10/* V */
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< 1406324063 42416 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406324169 774507 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07VIOLET14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40178&oldid=40176 5* 03JArcane 5* (+2) 10
< 1406324187 942951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It's not so much a classic that I'd have read it. From the looks of it, it's quite a theory-oriented approach.
< 1406324235 572026 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1406324359 43033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-foul
< 1406324359 223390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 27m 32s ago: I don't know why, but it seems that sometimes the actual address record can have a TTL of three (3) days.
< 1406324359 223529 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 26m 27s ago: ...now I'm not saying I'm certain, but this "$TTL 3D" line might have something to do with it...
< 1406324359 223621 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 25m 44s ago: Long story short, the DNS propagation can take up to three days in the worst case. BAD LUCK.
< 1406324370 929936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNEW IT, IT WAS ALL YOUR FAULT
< 1406324615 33739 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wioll haven be three days real soon now!
< 1406324816 274545 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1406324841 170956 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Verb tense co-opted from http://sprunge.us/KOdb)
< 1406324920 194386 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406325240 260829 :nooodl_!~nooodl@10.108-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406325424 388444 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.151.16 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1406325526 315828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ap.tail
< 1406325526 496360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quicksilver says: zip`ap`tail - the Aztec god of consecutive numbers
< 1406325599 333479 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks everyone for the book recommendations
< 1406325892 260492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points out http://onnea.ru/
< 1406325901 894999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it may be a company name.
< 1406326093 283858 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406326340 121670 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1406326347 449506 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( let x = Just 1 in do [1,2,3] !! !x
< 1406326347 730148 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04Just 042 : 12Maybe 12Integer
< 1406326445 993983 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1406326501 228888 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406327287 665626 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to get an early night but I can't sleep
< 1406327393 35025 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: work on the icfp contest task then
< 1406327563 417745 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fNah
< 1406328052 887829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( let x = Just 1; y = Just 2 in do !x + !y + 3
< 1406328053 266761 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't resolve type class 12Num (12Maybe b)
< 1406328059 945652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1406328091 265074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( let x = Just 1; y = Just 2 in do 3 + !x
< 1406328091 657474 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't resolve type class 12Num (12Maybe b)
< 1406328121 309732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t (!)
< 1406328121 671348 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such variable !
< 1406328126 661292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t (!!)
< 1406328127 65680 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09BotPrelude.(!!) : 12List 13a -> 12Nat -> 12Maybe 13a
< 1406328152 539520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( let x = Just 1 in !x
< 1406328153 14216 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't resolve type class 12Num (12Maybe b)
< 1406328199 777374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( let x = Just () in !x
< 1406328200 244908 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:22:When elaborating an application of function 09Prelude.Monad.>>=:
< 1406328200 425450 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Can't unify
< 1406328200 606433 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :                12()
< 1406328200 606571 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :        with
< 1406328200 606657 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :                12Maybe 13b14↵…
< 1406328229 586031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t \ x => !x
< 1406328230 52890 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of constructor 04__infer:
< 1406328230 233181 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Can't disambiguate name: 09Effects.>>=, 09BotPrelude.LiftEq.>>=, 09Prelude.Monad.>>=
< 1406328244 861996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh
< 1406328271 467647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :idris is _so_ anti-play-around
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< 1406328886 693487 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@132.203.173.250 QUIT :Changing host
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< 1406328911 184220 :hektor!972a384d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.42.56.77 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1406329056 200429 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( let x = Just 1; y = Just 2 in do return (!x + !y + 3)
< 1406329056 419580 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't resolve type class 12Num (12Fin m)
< 1406329062 197866 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1406329106 211698 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( let x = Just 1; y = Just 2 in do return (!x + !y + the Integer 3)
< 1406329106 431755 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04Just 046 : 12Maybe 12Integer
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< 1406329226 237329 :ajf!~Colloquy@90.210.122.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rate my esolang: http://esolangs.org/wiki/DevPerc
< 1406329233 749390 :ajf!~Colloquy@90.210.122.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m prouder of this than I ought to be
< 1406329308 754264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my dns to the wiki still hasn't updated.
< 1406329329 193077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the name reminds me of Deviating Percolator
< 1406329355 186791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's not a new page
< 1406329368 433936 :ajf!~Colloquy@90.210.122.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You knew its name? :D
< 1406329376 865225 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Bang bindings have to show up in a context-valued expression (Maybe in this case). “!x + !y + 3 : Maybe A” would imply “3 : Maybe A” and “x, y : Maybe (Maybe A)”.
< 1406329379 502249 :ajf!~Colloquy@90.210.122.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes me happy somehow
< 1406329379 822312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a nice name :P
< 1406329391 527065 :ajf!~Colloquy@90.210.122.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It’s a terrible name derived from thesaurusitis
< 1406329462 410624 :ajf!~Colloquy@90.210.122.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it has a certain charm…
< 1406329464 817261 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :More appropriate name than Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download
< 1406329477 465042 :ajf!~Colloquy@90.210.122.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the double-indirection of everything makes my head hurt if I try to code in it
< 1406329483 661081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh i'm not sure i'd go _that_ far
< 1406329483 841610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember both that language and you.
< 1406329486 221641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but none of the details.
< 1406329514 970349 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I didn't say /better/
< 1406329521 675895 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only more appropriate
< 1406329527 502894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1406329539 753678 :ajf!~Colloquy@90.210.122.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s a language in which there are 26 registers, A-Z, initialized at start with the ASCII chars A-Z. The source code is read as if it is made up of the characters in the named registers.
< 1406329562 301764 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most appropriate name for Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download I can think of is "LAMBDA", which is kind of sucky
< 1406329566 226075 :ajf!~Colloquy@90.210.122.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if I set A to the ASCII value of B, “FOOBAR” is read as “FOOBBR"
< 1406329582 462390 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how is the current name not the most appropriate?
< 1406329605 496862 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, because it is not at all indicative of the features of the language
< 1406329614 370070 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, neither is, say, "C"
< 1406329640 961496 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep
< 1406329663 478909 :ajf!~Colloquy@90.210.122.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1406329666 926048 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: If "LAMBDA" is "kind of sucky", then it would be why you have to call it "Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download" instead (which also isn't very good, but it is there)
< 1406329691 116772 :ajf!~Colloquy@90.210.122.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you could write useful programs in DevPerc by setting up a two-way pipe with sh
< 1406329692 475733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1406329703 594417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download is a great name
< 1406329714 697672 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it is called Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download because Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download is its name
< 1406329753 697106 :ajf!~Colloquy@90.210.122.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I should write a Nil interpreter in DevPerc
< 1406329770 304881 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406329786 823534 :nooodl_!~nooodl@10.108-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1406329790 941642 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try again to sleep
< 1406329814 517512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that's a wholly insufficient reason, just ask any aged aged man
< 1406329888 878805 :ajf!~Colloquy@90.210.122.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I take Lisp and implement it with JSON’s syntax, is it just awkward syntax, or could it be considered esoteric?
< 1406329891 678503 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: retanelle. just lay on a mattress and stare at the ceiling through your eyelids.
< 1406329906 547617 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: aged aged?
< 1406329912 25171 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1406329912 205541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf asked 8h 32m 58s ago: I got an email saying "typo for antediluvian?" with a broken link to github. Does this have to do with you?
< 1406329912 205694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 5h 35m 27s ago: Oh, it's a private repository, so it shows up as 404.
< 1406329912 786269 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I try that but my neck hurts
< 1406329924 636273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: jfgi hth
< 1406329943 868929 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: eh?
< 1406329948 805161 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lewd
< 1406329948 985591 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages
< 1406329985 839707 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, it has to do with me, but if you received the email that means you have access to the repo. last time I checked you were among the cocoonspirators hth
< 1406330007 506965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1406330014 100873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I wasn't logged in to github.
< 1406330019 901014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I was doubly logged out.
< 1406330036 336088 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are a strange person.
< 1406330075 37195 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ifgi. tdh. t.
< 1406330085 2833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw.
< 1406330179 910203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought we had a non-strange person in the channel but then i learned Vorpal works on cool robots
< 1406330218 508892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely there are nonstrangers in here.
< 1406330234 968692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some of the lurkers.
< 1406330265 529462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: What's strange about me?
< 1406330298 153607 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you managed to be doubly logged out. that's anormal.
< 1406330314 632233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe shachaf has taken the red pill.
< 1406330329 393202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Well, I opened the link in an incognito window first.
< 1406330344 633175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I opened it in a regular window and it was still a 404.
< 1406330398 260751 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: are you strange?
< 1406330402 261477 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406330402 441878 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1406330412 956958 :ajf!~Colloquy@90.210.122.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I am esoteric
< 1406330422 518770 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, gööd.
< 1406330519 932838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: hey, did you ever read that thing
< 1406330548 116817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coöpumpkin
< 1406330576 688816 :monotone_!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406330588 157814 :clog_!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406330621 300794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kurpitsako olet?
< 1406330659 428979 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406330666 357221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie  I think perhaps I should drop that down to a more reasonable one day. <-- i vaguely sort of thought the idea was to reduce it when hosting is unstable.
< 1406330670 195378 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406330689 33553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1406330703 896029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we going to have a splitfest again
< 1406330734 476700 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping
< 1406330735 281449 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1406330741 745451 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406330742 748889 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ping
< 1406330743 374773 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pong!
< 1406330746 985456 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: perhaps.
< 1406330759 80041 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: LAMBDABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!
< 1406330770 736646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly just ole lambda
< 1406330846 680102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e seems idle
< 1406330960 233449 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406330968 274165 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1406330968 878003 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1406330969 58449 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1406330969 757646 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1406330969 757779 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1406330969 757846 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1406330969 757971 :clog!~nef@66.114.33.57 QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1406330981 721097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bambdabot
< 1406331043 365022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsneak
< 1406331059 706599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, lambdabot isn't back in this channel yet.
< 1406331074 390395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you don't rejoin all the channels at the same time.
< 1406331082 324814 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, the netsplit has netsplat.
< 1406331090 265036 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or is it netsplut?)
< 1406331092 255428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, lambdabot takes its time
< 1406331102 682253 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406331234 873709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406331326 620890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only yiyus got through unscathed
< 1406331374 624965 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack
< 1406331374 843675 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1406331380 702573 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pats lambdabot
< 1406332343 831061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to make more Pokemon Card puzzle, or other people should too, but, nobody (other than myself) has yet solved my most recent one.
< 1406332394 9758 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: OCULAR CHICKEN
< 1406332396 608857 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1406332774 198199 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406332969 259077 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1406333088 551838 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I've heard you talking about those puzzles on several occasions, but I've never seen one
< 1406333207 367970 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: Can you play Pokemon Card at all? I can show you the puzzles. See http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/pokemon_card/puzzle.1 up to puzzle.5 and see terminology.txt for a glossary.
< 1406333208 647564 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1406333253 432877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand any of them?
< 1406333363 850433 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I haven't played since I was 7 or 8
< 1406333412 667213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have questions about the rules, I can answer them.
< 1406333507 28209 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406333556 235335 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 PART :#esoteric
< 1406333742 353628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file puzzle.4 is made by someone else, although the other four are made by me.
< 1406333790 313362 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the puzzle.n file describes a situation, and I must find winning moves?
< 1406333798 767988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1406333868 831701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to find winning moves regardless of what the irrelevant cards/quantities are and how coin tosses and other random things come up and how the opponent's decisions are made. However, the solution might fork in some cases based on such things.
< 1406334116 542387 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:edd6:152f:a7f6:a847 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1406334218 659559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now perhaps you can see if you know the first one.
< 1406334752 577763 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:edd6:152f:a7f6:a847 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406334975 719441 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406335032 855701 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 PART :#esoteric
< 1406335045 284974 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406335049 808698 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
< 1406335068 50878 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1406335351 380926 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1406335380 972607 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406335409 667760 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 PART :#esoteric
< 1406335497 957273 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406335531 648208 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 PART :#esoteric
< 1406336297 443559 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406336347 280504 :clog_!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Quit: ^C
< 1406336360 400646 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406336409 722421 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 PART :#esoteric
< 1406336614 197290 :prator!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406336794 285164 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1406336801 610588 :prator!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr NICK :brrr
< 1406337042 196148 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406337560 862815 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem!
< 1406338041 51294 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_
< 1406338093 247589 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406339469 27951 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep
< 1406341260 78092 :ajf!~Colloquy@90.210.122.167 QUIT :Quit: I quit PHP development! Forever!
< 1406342069 435101 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hpmorlist
< 1406342069 884567 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: hpmorlist: not found
< 1406342383 184785 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1406342457 481641 :Guest47140!~canaima@190-76-76-179.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406342468 392898 :Guest47140!~canaima@190-76-76-179.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1406342512 348815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/createlist
< 1406342513 187583 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/createlist: No such file or directory
< 1406342523 111600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*list
< 1406342524 171574 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/danddreclist \ bin/emptylist \ bin/erflist \ bin/instalist \ bin/list \ bin/llist \ bin/makelist \ bin/mlist \ bin/olist \ bin/pbflist \ bin/slist \ bin/smlist \ bin/testlist
< 1406342534 332781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/makelist
< 1406342535 233985 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp bin/emptylist bin/"$1"
< 1406342622 799652 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there is an actual erflist?
< 1406342623 689861 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops
< 1406342654 721368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/instalist
< 1406342655 448495 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ if [ "$#" -gt 0 ]; then printf '%s\n' "$*"; else cat; fi
< 1406342676 517111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1406342730 243766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*or*
< 1406342731 88944 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/forget \ bin/fortune \ bin/joustreport \ bin/morse-decode \ bin/ord \ bin/ordu \ bin/pastefortunes \ bin/print_args_or_input \ bin/rainwords \ bin/word \ bin/words
< 1406342743 932596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/print_args_or_input
< 1406342744 727350 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ if [ "$#" -gt 0 ]; then printf '%s\n' "$*"; else cat; fi
< 1406342754 867348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1406342767 684659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep 'instalist` bin/*
< 1406342768 472663 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
< 1406342775 897246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep 'instalist' bin/*
< 1406342780 389769 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1406342799 295915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/instalist
< 1406342801 52788 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1406342813 412729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1406342845 967125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406342928 352792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, hello, it broke temporarily after "`cat bin/instalist"
< 1406342952 993236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did
< 1406342963 938884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The connection
< 1406343060 168832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there was some more HackEgo probing ending with me removing the file (as it was a redundant unused copy of bin/print_args_or_input)
< 1406343122 313102 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so that's what it was. OK
< 1406343917 687667 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1406343947 758688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the letters h p m o and r next to each other are banned now
< 1406343974 918080 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406343980 615278 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1406344024 771944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did it jump the shark
< 1406344042 959869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it started well past the shark
< 1406344069 634174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did mary sue harry
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< 1406345552 637977 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hromp
< 1406345666 974957 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott
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< 1406345670 897042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric Sgeo :you thought I was joking
< 1406345673 761543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott
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< 1406346562 242232 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like HP more than I like IBM
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< 1406347357 139810 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:edd6:152f:a7f6:a847 NICK :v8
< 1406347363 117000 :v8!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:edd6:152f:a7f6:a847 NICK :^8
< 1406347460 409709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote zygohist
< 1406347460 590743 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EvilTerran says: the same place of nightmares that spawned zygohistomorphic prepromorphisms :P
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< 1406347473 773702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: now you must kick lambdabot hth
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< 1406347503 274698 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott
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< 1406347504 817312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric lambdabot :lambdabot
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< 1406347568 433273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :elliott bans category theory on channel | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
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< 1406357259 553793 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no more monads?
< 1406357557 3868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you please be more specific?
< 1406357930 425274 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads considered endomorphisms in the category of harmful things
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< 1406361449 942582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you know about monads in groupoids?
< 1406361691 969565 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1406361692 486119 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 98076 \ a \ app.sh \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ moop.txt \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ unpa \ UNPA \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf
< 1406361703 909026 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep morp quotes
< 1406361704 445643 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ oerjan: humans are very hard to anthropomorphise \  i feel like i should say "sexual dimorphism" winkingly and then transmute myself into a horrid fleshbeast
< 1406361714 831753 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1406362270 435650 :dfceaef!~dfceaef@unaffiliated/dfceaef JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1406362417 836941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, I don't know; do you know?
< 1406362441 742163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Vaguely but I was hoping that you would know more.
< 1406362456 860265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at this time, I do not know.
< 1406362491 555026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what a monad in a group (1-object groupoid) is.
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< 1406366630 515826 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : i thought we had a non-strange person in the channel but then i learned Vorpal works on cool robots <-- hm?
< 1406366649 682990 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I guess you could call the autonomous mining machines I work on robots
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< 1406367866 12805 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack
< 1406367866 193783 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1406368971 676758 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, lambdabot; lambdabot got disconnected from its server 1:21 CEST and didn't manage to reconnect until about 9 minutes later.
< 1406369102 600557 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's using the chat.freenode.net rotation for DNS lookup, so it should find a working server eventually.)
< 1406369149 458721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Did you hear that? Why can't you figure out how to use DNS, too? 
< 1406369149 860988 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what do you want to compile
< 1406370760 692644 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fizzie wants to recompile you, I think
< 1406370761 147844 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so how does the model of concurrency employed by erlang termite, based on structures to open ( we'll get to this point in time
< 1406370784 375543 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"termite", brilliant.
< 1406371594 809068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find "erlang termite" in my logs.
< 1406371639 593423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's lost some punctuation. I wonder how that happened.
< 1406371682 26072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from  yome, what term would you use to refer to the model of concurrency employed by Erlang & Termite, based on the three primitives (SPAWN thunk) -> pid, (SEND pid message), & (RECEIVE) -> message, for asynchronous SEND & synchronous RECEIVE?
< 1406372292 157849 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406372344 940589 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
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< 1406374844 811552 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40179&oldid=39864 5* 0386.6.153.79 5* (+133) 10/* Joke/Silly Ideas */
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< 1406375501 757666 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40180&oldid=40179 5* 03Haael 5* (+898) 10/* Partially Silly Ideas */
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< 1406378465 838137 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull
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< 1406380007 301332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, it's lost some punctuation. I wonder how that happened. <-- has anyone seen fungot use a &
< 1406380007 529040 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but it's yucky!?! :p) then performed operations on it
< 1406380011 633613 :^8!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:edd6:152f:a7f6:a847 NICK :^v
< 1406380024 63456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so that's why you don't use it?
< 1406380024 244093 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh well, it is very annoying
< 1406380077 151827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :In which fungot reveals his burning hate of the ampersand | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1406380092 757214 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that semi-obscure language... is it called C?
< 1406380110 153515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: wait what gender are you again
< 1406380110 675500 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it is not a verb" without the problems i see are the use cases for having an assassin cat.
< 1406380129 33591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a gender isn't a verb, fungot
< 1406380129 214168 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ( of course, this a trivial example
< 1406380302 877253 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning tout le monde!
< 1406380316 982425 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should ban french
< 1406380323 229379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon ettermiddag
< 1406380355 977207 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did elliott really ban CT on the chännel?
< 1406380363 227697 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you are a fungot.
< 1406380363 515975 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that woudl be hashsomething, not hashsomething, for latter is array indexes the former is quicker to type
< 1406380367 358892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: not directly
< 1406380432 205995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he banned the letters h, p, m, o and r used consecutively, and without regard for order.
< 1406380450 465130 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it
< 1406380452 889771 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. makes sense.
< 1406380475 565950 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does?
< 1406380483 418127 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: those pesky letters that usually appear after words that begin with ana-, hylo-, cata-, zygo-...
< 1406380553 901332 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hm. the electrical wiring in my apartment is of a questionable reliability... every time the AC starts and is not just fanning around, the lights disquietely dim.)
< 1406380589 451895 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1406380653 144202 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also trans-, but those are beasts of a completely different colour.
< 1406380686 286318 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :more basic, one has mono- and epi-. also endo-.
< 1406380704 430484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'all keep forgetting iso-
< 1406380705 903079 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :those kind of mor phism are not even scary.
< 1406380740 917594 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :careful int-e, you're toying with unknown evil forces here! (i'a i'a elliott fhtaghn!)
< 1406380760 947320 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need more fisms!
< 1406380779 551009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume a space helps since elliott used that himself in the decree
< 1406380838 745706 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's your favourite character, then?
< 1406380839 105648 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: um... fnord. release notes is what i call an education!! why is everything separated into different modules ( and changed the parser a bit, e.g.
< 1406380846 232278 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :go figure
< 1406380862 178884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a character so rare it gets substituted by fnord, makes sense
< 1406380862 946041 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a U+XXXX FUNGOT FNORD somewhere?
< 1406380894 510387 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about -ine?
< 1406380907 923459 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's raised on release notes?
< 1406380908 497586 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: this is confusing me here though, getting pretty damn hard to move from the fnord with which it is restricted to 20k including the run-time, and possibly some other data structure), gets wrapped with the opening parens and do c-m q
< 1406380944 326098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: in this channel using that will _cause_ unbearable pain hth
< 1406381081 731633 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what about phorminges...
< 1406381108 114776 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perhaps elliott is allergic to lyres, too.
< 1406381128 79989 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lyres?
< 1406381142 507061 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny that discussing adjoints, and limits (like products, coproducts, pullbacks, pushouts, equalizers, etc.) is perfectly ok by elliott's decree.
< 1406381197 725976 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: plural of "lyre", hth
< 1406381249 470445 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :once again struck by a bout of naïveté. oh well. time to go get something to eat.
< 1406381308 808210 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny how people have problems with ä but are perfectly okay with ï
< 1406381384 148504 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“... Afrikaans, Catalan, Dutch, French, Galician, Welsh, Southern Sami, and occasionally English...”
< 1406381761 641230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: well näiveté is just not right
< 1406381853 701282 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that wasn't what i meant
< 1406381891 750026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKÄY
< 1406381936 306391 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that one
< 1406382088 781740 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All vowels are born free and equal in diacritics and orthographies...
< 1406382480 885868 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Ä is two vowels!
< 1406382502 213631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly german
< 1406382520 219068 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Æ, except the e is lower case and on top.
< 1406382775 98653 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice illustration: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Umlaut_Development.png
< 1406382815 388989 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :schoen -> sch?n -> schön
< 1406382876 631228 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah. "schoͤn"
< 1406383135 186386 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406383160 46907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :koͤn_
< 1406383179 333385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode oͤ
< 1406383180 94081 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] [U+0364 COMBINING LATIN SMALL LETTER E]
< 1406383236 519922 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oͤrjan
< 1406383971 282615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you forgot t
< 1406384021 321140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1406384029 577736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no, I did
< 1406384089 563460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still has no clue what elliott is talking about
< 1406384141 575676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the letters
< 1406384170 945663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see where there should be a t
< 1406384200 961573 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"näiveté"?
< 1406384215 677170 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1406384223 506223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1406384225 403798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too.
< 1406384233 618467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because you're näive
< 1406384234 550998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, I just woke up.
< 1406384237 665084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't question me.
< 1406384258 598514 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahoily
< 1406384279 197948 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why?
< 1406384280 890737 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopi... what the... is that a 1 stapled to your name?
< 1406384298 706143 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 NICK :quintopia
< 1406384309 977174 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaah, much better ^^
< 1406384311 159710 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Changing host
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< 1406384362 616936 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep missing you
< 1406384368 598286 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you doing here on a sat. morning
< 1406384459 959380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: because I have +o :P
< 1406384572 468173 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I had one fungotload of a week. Monday night was Douteux, Tuesday night I watched that X-Men movie with friends (I found it passably meh), Wednesday night we played GoT (and probably drank one too many beer), Thursday night I don't quite remember what I did Thursday, and yesterday I got to bed at 20:00.
< 1406384572 652544 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: not at all.
< 1406384588 42019 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes, a metric fungot to be exact.
< 1406384588 289224 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it'll seem like a really odd form of ' foo has no reasonable way to go from here
< 1406384638 268011 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what did I do Thursday night... where was I...)
< 1406384644 704294 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah!
< 1406384671 730029 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was at a friend's grilling stuff on the BBQ, then battling the stupid EFI on his computer.
< 1406384755 829097 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what did you weekdayed this week?
< 1406384785 672532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm willing to take bribes to license various arrangements of h, p, m, o and r.
< 1406384845 864242 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you accept Canadian products?
< 1406384858 207218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of canadian products?
< 1406384985 437724 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :os it customary to wind up writing an esolang that you yourself can't follow?
< 1406384999 652947 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you choice of bacon, a mug from Tim, or a can of syrup. (quintopia has exclusive rights on cookies.)
< 1406385034 149396 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: if you want to achieve quality, yes.
< 1406385086 733529 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i've been up way to late every night struggling to stay on top of everything, figuring sleep is the least important thing
< 1406385105 253557 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then, when i finally have time to get things done, i waste it
< 1406385125 819955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I have trouble believing you'd actually ship these things.
< 1406385135 73644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that they'd get past customs without fuss if you did.
< 1406385215 940482 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bioly: then it would seem I have achieved it, because I don't seem to be able to make sense of how to do a simple binary search in VIOLET.
< 1406385272 64198 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I managed to ship edibles to quintopia, so why not? don't tell me you live in an unshippableto place?
< 1406385289 440499 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: :(
< 1406385304 341608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect shipping things Canada<->US is easier than into the EU.
< 1406385444 572495 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: if you know how to achieve that in BASIC, then know how to map it over to VIOLET, then it may be possible to do a binary search in the latter.
< 1406385515 105258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: btw, are those mugs in some way special?
< 1406385532 862135 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bioly: I think I just need to change my logic, yes.
< 1406385543 91046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, are any of those special? they don't sound very canada-specific :P
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< 1406385598 794122 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Tim Horton's. our very own Canadian Cult!
< 1406385885 821661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, but... it's just a mug, right?
< 1406386101 159336 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not an amphore
< 1406386216 314241 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. Got it. https://github.com/jarcane/BlueBox/blob/master/guessthenumber.violet
< 1406386293 198713 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, now do the same thing except that the player is allowed to lie exactly once during the game
< 1406386313 26479 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well. at most once)
< 1406386353 837286 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I know how to do a simple lie check (if correct = 0 but upper=lower), but that would be tricky.
< 1406386823 734346 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i slept until 3pm yesterday, and haven't slept since
< 1406386980 437610 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one should invent the Instant Mattress. just add water and bam! a comfy mattress on which you can nap.
< 1406387074 565460 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They kind of have those, but they're expensive and weight hundreds of pounds and take hours to fill. ;)
< 1406387109 497376 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also self-inflating mattresses which only require a power source. they weigh several pounds uninflated.
< 1406387116 931836 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONVENIENCE
< 1406387231 842931 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or go the Chinese way. forget any complex apparatii, and just declare this surface to be sleepable.
< 1406387261 433473 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite solution is the hammock
< 1406387264 285900 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooooo comfy
< 1406387267 945323 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia
< 1406387273 677525 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and weighs nothing
< 1406387278 178298 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lived with an air mattress for sometime.
< 1406387289 184567 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn thing started leaking almost from the day I bought it.
< 1406387370 695490 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1406387373 498338 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do that
< 1406387386 105624 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence using the self-inflating one
< 1406387411 171935 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wake up in the middle of the night half-sunk to the floor, just switch it on for a minute, and bam, back to normal
< 1406388414 301722 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a pizza
< 1406388466 795844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1406388494 774378 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a modafinil or suchlike zzzzzzz
< 1406388549 632367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :modafinil pizza!
< 1406388552 485447 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes please
< 1406388562 808875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :modafinil makes me feel a little weirdly queasy
< 1406388595 65267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe cause I weigh nothing so I get too much of it in my bloodstream
< 1406388657 309959 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how it makes me feel. maybe one day i will know. i doubt it would be noticeable because i weigh plenty
< 1406388657 553087 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just checked the The File. I have your weight listed as “(3 ?)”. care to explain?
< 1406388674 549746 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the one of which smaller amounts work better?
< 1406388759 944769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's not as exciting a nootropic as people make it out to be. it just makes you more awake
< 1406388775 857840 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all i want to be
< 1406388799 557161 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to occasionally be able to correct my sleep schedule without my work suffering
< 1406389034 110496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I mean it's not really that it makes you more awake it just makes you feel like you need to sleep less. you're still about as tired but with more focus
< 1406389156 340032 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i won't spend all day wishing i was in bed and struggling to keep my eyes open?
< 1406389159 257453 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1406389161 497412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bring it on
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< 1406389486 373513 :nooodl_!~nooodl@10.108-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl
< 1406389667 306158 :nooodl!~nooodl@10.108-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow python's .format can do this: '{:0{}x}'.format(255,6) == '0000ff'
< 1406389711 986716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you know you can just buy it online right
< 1406389729 414576 :nooodl!~nooodl@10.108-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A format_spec field can also include nested replacement fields within it. These nested replacement fields can contain only a field name; conversion flags and format specifications are not allowed. The replacement fields within the format_spec are substituted before the format_spec string is interpreted. This allows the formatting of a value to be dynamically specified."
< 1406389738 113064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, within the US
< 1406389906 400740 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's on my to-do list
< 1406389920 129987 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or as i like to call it
< 1406389929 274806 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the list of things that may happen someday"
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< 1406390294 818352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrug
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< 1406394682 473879 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got pizza
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< 1406395014 96170 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/07/24/the-sims-2-free-ultimate-edition/
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< 1406395753 188632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: jealous
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< 1406400759 99028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It probably won't help you sleep that much better, but I've now set up an automated esolangs.org backup (incl. a mysqldump), and also a thing to log the server network traffic, so that (after a month) I can have some sort of idea how much bandwidth it takes. (Extrapolating from 24 hours, 20 GiB/month.)
< 1406400932 194949 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406400944 800291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, perhaps that can help.
< 1406401014 39183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: bandwidth for the wiki or the backups?
< 1406401032 316956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly esolangs.org is still really slow even though it works :P
< 1406401284 48026 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :This might be old news to some, but I just found out google are running SPDY over UDP now (called QUIC). Interesting idea. But I can imagine all sorts of issues with NAT and proxies doing that hm
< 1406401619 672792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bandwidth for everything, I didn't want to bother being more specific. So it will also include e.g. HackEgo.
< 1406401702 474807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I used way less than 20 gigabytes a month on linode, I think...
< 1406401853 408995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly I can look a little bit closer on what it's made of. But 20 gigabytes is not terribly much.
< 1406401884 865084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the backups happen weekly, and it shouldn't account to all that much.
< 1406401949 818166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gzip'd mysqldump is 66 megs, and the rsync probably doesn't take very many bytes.
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< 1406403467 720447 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is linnode good?
< 1406403477 524839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fine
< 1406403477 740174 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been thinking about getting a VPS
< 1406403491 719314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :linode, digitalocean, prgmr, it's all fine
< 1406403498 875995 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a decent one that isn't massively expensive either
< 1406403506 339974 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is probably a case of "pick one"
< 1406403508 979581 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still
< 1406403586 901255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those choices are all affordable and decent
< 1406403592 872198 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm they are all "pick a package" rather than "pick how much you need of each component" though
< 1406403599 337366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1406403626 27445 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why, because I need much more storage than CPU or memory
< 1406403630 873189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pricing is simple and fine. you can go for tilaa.com or whatever if you want to customise more but it'll probably correspondingly cost more.
< 1406403654 186890 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :tilaa seemed quite reasonably priced when I checked it
< 1406403674 882368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit too reasonably priced, which made me wonder what the catch is
< 1406403682 538404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VPSes are cheap
< 1406403688 357223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you already have a provider in mind why ask me though?
< 1406403707 714322 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : no I don't. I have looked at a few, but I'm indecisive 
< 1406403719 202290 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why I'm asking you
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< 1406403781 701186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :27 euros per month for 2 gig ram / 2x 2.4ghz / 40 gb ssd storage on tila. way more expensive than linode at under 15 euros a month for same ram, same cores (but idk about the clockspeed), 48 gb ssd
< 1406403796 595156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though linode has a 3 tb transfer limit on that
< 1406403808 242733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still tilaa is a lot more expensive for comparable stuff
< 1406403829 699598 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, linnode uses USD, that is why
< 1406403839 81197 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1406403848 478266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made that mistake too
< 1406403857 88779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking tilaa's prices were really cheap because I assumed they were in USD
< 1406403863 105090 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1406403901 759955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're happy with a mechanical disk then tilaa is only about a euro more than linode for that, but then the plans aren't comparable, so
< 1406403913 562997 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I basically need say 1-2 GB RAM, 1-2 cores and quite a bit of storage.
< 1406403971 845944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then a 320 gb mechanical disk with that is only 27.40 eur/month for tilaa, for linode you have to go up to a $160/mo plan to get that much storage (though it's more, and SSD)
< 1406403977 367416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah if you want lots of storage a customisable thing is reasonable
< 1406403988 56257 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tilaa has unlimited transfer, which is nice, but linnode and digitalocean have more than enough transfer per month.
< 1406404008 494197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :transfer doesn't really matter unless you're using it as a seedbox or something...
< 1406404009 959214 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :prgrm is cutting it a bit close
< 1406404017 584638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think linode lets you add storage separately
< 1406404020 671642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk the costs for that
< 1406404022 626816 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that is nice
< 1406404029 824634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not certain either
< 1406404042 215148 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm should be googable
< 1406404143 455715 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm basically planning mail server + backup. Probably a simple web server too (because why not), but I don't expect much traffic. You really don't need massive CPU or RAM for such a use case. But you need a lot of disk for backup
< 1406404174 152713 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe looking at some amazon storage cloud thingy would be better then. Not sure
< 1406404237 696595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't trust VPS storage for backup.
< 1406404266 16733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you should back up your VPS. stuff is there for volatility or convenience reasons.
< 1406404271 324979 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1406404296 689945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd just get a reasonably priced VPS and back up your mail and other stuff through whatever (tarsnap, maybe your VPS provider's backup offering if they have one...)
< 1406404300 849578 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well to where? I need cloud based backup. tarsnap next?
< 1406404317 477171 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1406404387 221103 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, tarsnap would end up expensive given the backup sizes I have (I estimated from my current rdiff backups)
< 1406404402 55199 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess encrypted files on dropbox or similar would be another option
< 1406404407 108487 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what that works out as
< 1406404409 900164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tarsnap's deduplication reduces prices a lot compared to what you might think, but sure. there are flat-rate providers and stuff
< 1406404429 352038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :long-term archival storage has different priorities to a VPS anyway. you don't need instant access to it, you want it encrypted (and don't need the encryption keys in memory)...
< 1406404438 371928 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed
< 1406404468 431902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also just do non-cloud backup.
< 1406404473 338489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with, like, actual physical objects.
< 1406404511 355398 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 GB Dropbox is 8.25 / month, Tarsnap is 25 USD / month for that (plus transfer).
< 1406404521 499235 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I do that, but what if there is a fire?
< 1406404562 527413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have other problems. but you can probably find somewhere to store a redundant copy. Or get Iron Mountain to put it in a cave somewhere.
< 1406404569 189977 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can't really put my disk in a bank safe after every backup. That is way to inconvenient as it would involve driving to the city (20 km each way) 
< 1406404589 457014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember the deduplication effects when estimating tarsnap costs
< 1406404603 313508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh come on, the risk of a fire that destroys your disks is low enough that you can do it every N backups instead :p
< 1406404612 930513 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure
< 1406404657 221140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is amazon glacier
< 1406404660 612966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is very cheap and very slow
< 1406404669 669942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody knows how it work
< 1406404670 105507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1406404681 353672 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds worrying
< 1406404708 137594 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm 3-5 hours... So probably tape or such?
< 1406404710 9787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's either tape. or blu-rays. or something.
< 1406404728 966080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://storagemojo.com/2014/04/25/amazons-glacier-secret-bdxl/ thinks the latter, but IIRC ex-amazon employees have hinted that it's tape?
< 1406404759 385185 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it makes more sense as tape IMO. Unless you use rewritable blurays I guess
< 1406404846 417445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :facebook store tons of things on blu-ray
< 1406404854 175763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/01/why-facebook-thinks-blu-ray-discs-are-perfect-for-the-data-center/
< 1406404863 957642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/01/facebook-uses-10000-blu-ray-discs-to-create-petabytes-of-cold-storage/
< 1406404908 135911 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1406404936 398861 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I wonder how that will work with the "remove all my account and every trace of it" stuff that is going on currently
< 1406404957 758145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can throw away blu-rays.
< 1406404982 184694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you're expected to delete accounts from backups though...
< 1406404988 975001 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1406405010 753635 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah you can throw away blu-rays, but you would have to move all the other accounts on it elsewhere
< 1406405016 63338 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And perhaps you are right
< 1406405086 515080 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-30-21.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406405129 478140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy-on-write is nothing new :P
< 1406405175 709730 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, as long as you don't need to delete accounts from backups too. Depends on what the EU law makers decides at this point I guess
< 1406405245 10414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deleting links from search engine indices isn't anything like obliterating accounts.
< 1406405259 785462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :google are even still allowed to link to the pages, just not in conjunction with the search terms.
< 1406405264 761443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it's /more/ data stored, not less
< 1406405269 477684 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1406405478 661532 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Bye
< 1406405734 868979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you could even purchase your own tape and do tape archives.
< 1406405744 513850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not economical for low amounts of data though.
< 1406405745 410905 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1406405791 751714 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah it is basically 1 TB or so across all my systems (for a full backup, add small incremental ones of a couple of GB on top of that)
< 1406406546 110452 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep
< 1406406619 617194 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :.link is a TLD? How strange, wikipedia has no info on it
< 1406406642 461460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia probably can't keep up with gTLDs these days.
< 1406406648 688744 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah
< 1406406655 312885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm serious.
< 1406406658 305044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's tons and tons.
< 1406406742 440029 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1406406771 327907 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just looking at gandi for a available domain name, and .link showed up in that list
< 1406406786 102464 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could go for .xxx XD
< 1406406813 39202 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm I found a nice .se one
< 1406406835 994891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should name it after something you like
< 1406406838 421398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, goats maybe
< 1406406847 478771 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1406406860 327375 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I tried my family name, but good luck with that.
< 1406406868 150987 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least not for anything that I want
< 1406406898 460927 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406406965 106099 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program-status/delegated-strings
< 1406407007 78687 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether there is a list linking those to registrants
< 1406407011 173823 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch
< 1406407123 513291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want a domain name consisting entirely of "x" and a few dots?
< 1406407139 444272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOPE X has such a domain name.
< 1406407155 31130 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxx is an existing TLD, of course
< 1406407158 633167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :norlander.cancerresearch
< 1406407212 525831 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1406407256 141992 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :an sTLD, hmm.
< 1406407262 664189 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird terminology.
< 1406407263 427350 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, getting this domain for several years is cheaper
< 1406407276 106974 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the question is, will I actually want it in 8 years from now?
< 1406407317 998144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :domains do not cost enough for it to be worth caring about that.
< 1406407336 219651 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well that depends on the TLD and the domain. I expect some are quite expensive
< 1406407358 799469 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :.ph is 48 EUR for 1 year for example, .se is 16 EUR for 1 year. For the same domain name here
< 1406407371 818728 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :.rocks is 121 EUR 
< 1406407377 12820 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell is .rocks anyway
< 1406407391 966033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 10 euros a month for .rock
< 1406407404 173001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rocks
< 1406407404 353367 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh it is "landrush" which is apperently pre-ordering
< 1406407405 61100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, a discount might be reasonable at that point
< 1406407407 196542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't want .rocks
< 1406407408 649866 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess that explains it
< 1406407408 964942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, landrush.
< 1406407422 394366 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still .ph is quite expensive
< 1406407422 897161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, 16 eur? I suspect .se is less expensive from another registrar.
< 1406407443 274104 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm maybe, what other registrar is good then?
< 1406407455 164520 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a good registrar with DNSSEC
< 1406407508 827959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. easyDNS, namecheap, name.com, dynadot. there's tons
< 1406407523 785048 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they good though?
< 1406407557 692810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I was listing bad registrars. what do you think?
< 1406407580 864896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, easyDNS is actually more expensive than 16 eur, heh.
< 1406407602 723946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're probably one of the most competent registrars though
< 1406407607 372214 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :godaddy is slightly cheaper, but I heard so much bad about them
< 1406407625 16512 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 14 EUR at godaddy
< 1406407638 229137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't buy from godaddy.
< 1406407647 972242 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIV as a TLD, hmm.
< 1406407659 272083 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I know, I just wanted to check what they would charge for some random .se
< 1406407685 368120 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :name.com is 24 EUR
< 1406407717 399812 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, 24 USD
< 1406407720 656874 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://my.personal.website/home/page.html
< 1406407736 439373 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So still more expensive
< 1406407736 757670 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the TLD exists)
< 1406407768 247475 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynadot doesn't do .se it seems
< 1406407781 981759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :".website is the first true generic domain launched in the new era of the internet." come on, try harder. you want .internet for true genericity
< 1406407804 872864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, I guess you don't necessarily need to point a domain you've registered at something accessible on the internet?
< 1406407817 465230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so .domainname.
< 1406407818 372130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that would be true, although both .internet and .website are too long.
< 1406407820 715377 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how about .eu
< 1406407830 509410 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it isn't accessible on the internet, you don't need a TLD.
< 1406407830 944918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's .domains, but...)
< 1406407838 497121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but you still could.
< 1406407850 943324 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, in use
< 1406407861 557314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, maybe some RFC tells you to SHOULD NOT have a domain with only records pointing to stuff off the internet, but.
< 1406407872 828845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since, you can then use local addresses instead, if you are not using internet.
< 1406407892 428281 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1406407925 828144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe for generic you should instead use ".gen" for generic?
< 1406407964 598023 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. .nu is quite expensive ("nu" means "now" in Swedish, so you end up seeing it quite often, like .to for English speaking sites)
< 1406408072 722079 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's .foo and .bar (the latter probably went together with .pub though)
< 1406408075 811589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think more pseudo-TLDs should be needed, such as .ipv4 to tell it always use IPv4 even if IPv6 is available, and .ipv6 to create a local IPv4 address which connects to a IPv6 so that it is usable in IPv4 only software (as well as IPv4 only operating systems, if .ipv6 is implemented in the router), and .option to set options for the connection.
< 1406408112 28430 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Hm this is weird, 1 and 2 years have the same price per year (16 EUR) then 3-10 all cost 13.6 EUR per year
< 1406408134 548263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they're probably counting on you to not bother doing division.
< 1406408143 971643 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1406408158 324092 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only reason to go for more than 3 years would be if you expect prices to go up during that time
< 1406408160 683746 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is possible
< 1406408175 104061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the volatile domain markets.
< 1406408206 538708 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it? I don't know
< 1406408213 923511 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be useful to know if it is
< 1406408214 129801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1406408240 137971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should have other pseudo-TLDs too such as .tty and .usb and so on.
< 1406408272 652965 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :.zip has been suggested somewhere
< 1406408280 170789 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it is gandi or the Swedish country registrar doing that stupid pricing model...
< 1406408311 19020 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at some of the other options...
< 1406408350 331529 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :.link and .ninja: No discount at all. .fr doesn't allow anything but 1 year even
< 1406408380 241566 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm seems most of those that allow several years don't do discounts
< 1406408479 381448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like (non-pseudo) TLDs for type of service, since that is what subdomains and port numbers are for, therefore ".website" is no good.
< 1406408534 832202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think my ideas are better than the existing confusions?
< 1406408542 328307 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1406408555 332949 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, .website is awful.
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< 1406408586 120334 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I brought up .hiv because I imagine that it would be hard to market for personal use.
< 1406408734 780326 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it belongs to an organisation called "dotHIV" and they write: "The new domain ending .hiv will bring new momentum to the fight against AIDS."
< 1406408918 113310 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.zip is an awesome TLD for all these virus sites
< 1406409185 328678 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :.something
< 1406409192 956912 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also have about 2000 pending applications for gTLDs, .zip is one of them
< 1406409269 5174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With such pseudo-TLDs to make up such things as telnet://778-555-1212.modem.tty/ and telnet://com2.tty/ and 9p://device1.usb/ and so on.
< 1406409357 234110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since if you are using operating system which uses "Peripheral Device Over Ethernet" and you want to use USB ports in the computer, then you would need a .usb pseudo-TLD for this purpose.
< 1406409376 624963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since they are not connected to the ethernet port!
< 1406409455 521021 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use different DNS record types. there are quite a few already: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DNS_record_types
< 1406409462 345922 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need for a pseudo TLD
< 1406409662 740082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how using different DNS record types would help here.
< 1406409683 6913 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many contracts to read through, gah
< 1406409933 44081 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"
< 1406410248 489442 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go
< 1406410274 385262 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I now own vorpal.se. Time to decide on a VPS
< 1406410293 308974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpalse.cx
< 1406410345 408652 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1406410417 152509 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, where is the DNS zone editor in this web GUI, since it is currently using gandi for the primary DNS server
< 1406410501 386277 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406410585 694058 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, found it
< 1406410596 910336 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that is quite a confusing interface
< 1406410638 533555 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha
< 1406410686 209210 :barrucadu!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu PART :#esoteric
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< 1406411148 551375 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1406411339 184876 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : But it belongs to an organisation called "dotHIV" and they write: "The new domain ending .hiv will bring new momentum to the fight against AIDS." <-- doubtful that it will have any effect at all
< 1406411686 380949 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The output of the dig command is quite obtuse 
< 1406411699 388859 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell if it was a success or failure
< 1406412188 79705 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1406412817 495564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tilaa's SSD premium is/was quite a lot, I think.
< 1406412829 855742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've been looking at the backscroll.)
< 1406412893 904657 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-30-21.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406412982 392963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's a failure if it's missing an "ANSWER SECTION".
< 1406413004 104931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the 'status:' field, but that's quite well-hidden in the headers.)
< 1406413062 477731 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-30-21.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1406413270 739732 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what authoritative dns server do you recommend?
< 1406413355 114777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a recommendation, but personally I've been sticking with BIND.
< 1406413862 431749 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-30-21.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1406414665 27463 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1406414665 536565 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1406414670 827267 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah the crickets are so loud
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< 1406415018 508357 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
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< 1406415683 216405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, what do you want, please?
< 1406415920 938001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNSSEC with BIND can be slightly obscure.
< 1406415978 242314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the 9.9 series adds inline signing.
< 1406416035 184619 :atriq!~nathan@87.115.160.130 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1406416580 560281 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:edd6:152f:a7f6:a847 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1406416618 724958 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, i want to make json stuff over tcp with haskell. google said, i might use aeson. now i am in bytestring hell
< 1406416879 893029 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not used to this larger monitor
< 1406417083 575136 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:958b:f64a:64a9:da7c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406417256 46697 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, how large is it?
< 1406417265 362634 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 inches I think
< 1406417273 989464 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using one 24" and one 22" monitor atm
< 1406417279 252998 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both 16:10
< 1406417314 884837 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :At work I have two 24" plus the built in 15" in the laptop in use at the same time
< 1406417334 759031 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, how large monitors are you used to then?
< 1406417343 139164 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 inch I think
< 1406417345 132014 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I find 24" a quite nice size
< 1406417357 556388 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, couldn't live with such a small monitor these days
< 1406417817 877811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1406421031 457361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer monitor has a picture size slightly more than 13x10 inches.
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< 1406423032 444542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a C program to implement each step of a NMOS 6502 which is public domain (or other GPL-compatible)?
< 1406423199 673038 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1406424093 422976 :augur!~augur@73.163.157.101 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1406424275 923042 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.6502.org/tools/emu/ ?
< 1406424767 204707 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem!
< 1406424819 994593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I cannot find it there.
< 1406425002 871399 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to sleep there are some sort of bugs here
< 1406425091 627544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lib6502 does not implement each cycle individually and implements the CMOS version, not NMOS.
< 1406425126 693925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would wanted one that acts as a state machine, too.
< 1406425177 562595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an old Taneb who swallowed a fly
< 1406425194 37629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used lib6502 and it is suitable for the application I used it for, but now I have a different application therefore it is not suitable.
< 1406425199 528536 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't mind bugs etc individually
< 1406425212 938786 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there seems to be thousands of them, by which I mean at least three
< 1406425222 405267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :1, 2, many
< 1406425266 395482 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406425303 797317 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a smallish moth, what I think is a crane fly
< 1406425312 685031 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a lot of very small insects
< 1406425725 92421 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will try to sleep!
< 1406426257 745364 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a file called "fake6502.c" which is almost exactly what I am looking for: It is public domain, runs one step one at a time (exec6502 function), and even includes the "UNDOCUMENTED" and "NES_CPU" defines which are what I require. However, it does not actually implement each step individually (it executes the entire instruction during the first step), and doesn't do some minor things such as INC first writing the old value and then the new v
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< 1406426409 677123 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also does not appear to implement interrupt latency correctly.
< 1406426626 371328 :augur!~augur@73.163.157.101 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1406427666 849551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care if register accesses happen during the correct cycle, since that does not affect anything external. However, all I/O should happen during the correct cycle.
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< 1406428630 73081 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :ZuuEdison
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< 1406431604 788074 :newsham_!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you familiar with visual6502?
< 1406432256 65258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham_: I think I have heard of it.
< 1406432537 534221 :nooodl!~nooodl@10.108-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1406433866 191012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many states would a cycle accurate NMOS 6502 VM have?
< 1406433890 787275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Counting only the states for instruction execution, not such things as registers and flags and so on.)
< 1406434073 895872 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Holy crap! I'm on fire!
< 1406434267 638572 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will GCC perform extra optimizations on things declared as static (including possibly changing the calling conventions)?
< 1406436172 977272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If it sees that a function is only used once, it can inline it when it's static.
< 1406436183 737444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And it does in this small example.)
< 1406436276 220079 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1406436437 715955 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth QUIT :Excess Flood
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< 1406436666 627671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it can't if it is used as a function pointer in a table, though.
< 1406436921 39365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can such static optimization ever do anything else?
< 1406437429 551485 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1406449424 310329 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Extended Foo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40181&oldid=12703 5* 03Rdebath 5* (-30) 10A rnd(n) function is not sufficient for the language to be considered nondeterministic.
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< 1406449808 49027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: There was a project to add more interprocedural things to GCC than just in inlining some years ago, but I don't know what came of it.
< 1406449912 145196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was supposed to learn about things like constant propagation and side effect tracking across functions, and I guess maybe static could add more freedom for that sort of stuff.
< 1406450109 618199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and with the profile-guided stuff, also a kind of partial inlining where a short most-likely-to-run part is inlined at call sites while unlikely code is done with a function call.
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< 1406450213 357863 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Intolerant14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40182&oldid=14844 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+74) 10/* Implementation */ new section
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< 1406450851 316770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, would you look at that, it actually does that.
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< 1406451095 886923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.ubuntu.com/7873236/
< 1406451134 726507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably does not apply to your function-pointer-in-a-table scenario, of course.)
< 1406451204 519807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also like how it has grokked that the test has proven rdi to be zero, so it is enough to move a value to dil.)
< 1406451355 40030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the only effect of "static" in my pasted example is whether it also adds a http://paste.ubuntu.com/7873266/ or not to satisfy potential external callers; it does the same partial inlining for a, b, c anyway.)
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< 1406453697 672310 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : It was supposed to learn about things like constant propagation and side effect tracking across functions, and I guess maybe static could add more freedom for that sort of stuff. <-- static certainly does affect what GCC does from what I remember.
< 1406453741 139226 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But indeed, it doesn't help if you use function pointers to it
< 1406453750 727751 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless GCC has gotten real clever
< 1406454061 319283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it can eliminate function pointers in trivial cases (like if you replace  func();  with  void (*f)(void) = func; f(x);  ) but probably not if it's a table and a computed index to it.
< 1406454072 695152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, f(), not f(x).
< 1406454103 679212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The inline-only-a-little-bit trick was neat.
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< 1406458022 278432 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know anything like grep, but to work for binary data?
< 1406458033 528715 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need regexes, just string search that handles arbitrary bytes
< 1406458958 529728 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406461309 390670 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Do you need the location inside the file, or do you just want to know if it matches?
< 1406461318 987663 :ZuuEdison!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :ZuuBor
< 1406461324 182473 :ZuuBor!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :ZuuBohr
< 1406461333 81735 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :found bgrep
< 1406462429 859663 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406462592 695110 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1406462657 593569 :ZuuBohr!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :ZuuBale
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< 1406463146 241357 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406463764 322113 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406467478 365195 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406468325 1443 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .
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< 1406469764 585855 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1406470768 404 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1406471078 977887 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1406471166 702804 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1406471176 183472 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello TieSoul
< 1406471178 62651 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSelloul
< 1406471238 545752 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that even do? randomly insert "ello" in there?
< 1406471262 270216 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello boily
< 1406471262 828657 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :belloily
< 1406471266 593037 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that.
< 1406471279 662784 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere with an 'o', preferably, it seems
< 1406471297 485280 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello wrld
< 1406471298 147583 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrldello
< 1406471301 518061 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. it has an algorithm in it. it does stuff.
< 1406471316 474325 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to figure out its semantics :P
< 1406471318 550669 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`et
< 1406471318 910304 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: et: not found
< 1406471322 346867 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello et
< 1406471322 985959 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etello
< 1406471323 269639 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1406471336 185475 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello eo
< 1406471336 889244 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helleo
< 1406471361 16480 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello everything
< 1406471361 713642 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everythingello
< 1406471367 978423 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd
< 1406471391 813969 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello aeiou
< 1406471392 854753 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellaeiou
< 1406471404 183673 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello aeiot
< 1406471404 364359 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think it's odd
< 1406471404 886566 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellaeiot
< 1406471412 756274 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is
< 1406471421 494963 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406471427 265234 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello aevryone
< 1406471427 845648 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellaevryone
< 1406471463 750106 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`̀` cat bin/ello
< 1406471464 568902 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ̀`: not found
< 1406471475 142269 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaurgh. the shortcut ain't be workin anymore.
< 1406471494 365644 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :two vowels at the begin means 'hell' is added to the start
< 1406471502 993674 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello tae
< 1406471504 181880 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tello
< 1406471528 892855 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was unexpected
< 1406471550 918402 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode `̀`
< 1406471552 308701 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0060 GRAVE ACCENT] [U+0300 COMBINING GRAVE ACCENT] [U+0060 GRAVE ACCENT]
< 1406471571 508230 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ↑
< 1406471582 41866 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. hm. oops.
< 1406471583 792184 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that line looked fishy.
< 1406471595 877105 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat bin/ello
< 1406471596 829469 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env node \ // Generated by CoffeeScript 1.6.2 \ (function() { \   var consonant_then_o, ell_manglable, ends_with_consonant, ends_with_consonant_then_vowel, name, starts_with_o; \  \   name = process.argv[2]; \  \   if (!(name != null ? name.length : void 0)) { \     console.log('Usage: ello '); \     process.exit(); \   } \  \  
< 1406471627 475829 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. wut? once it was written in ruby, then now it's... coffeescript??? who the fungot wrote that?
< 1406471627 769232 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: fnord/ index2.htm apparently lets you order various printed reference manuals for current sunos object files and reference manuals for free
< 1406471664 361669 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone tell me what the heck is that code?
< 1406471671 801554 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1406471732 723780 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh it's cut off
< 1406471734 599000 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind
< 1406471905 949240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Genrated", nice
< 1406471923 594708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which node
< 1406471924 388162 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/node
< 1406471929 850250 :ZuuBale!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :ZuuBelly
< 1406471932 975832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so who the fuck... was it sgeo
< 1406471934 355829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1406471934 688025 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1406471951 277701 :ZuuBelly!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :ZuuJelly
< 1406471970 550879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, mrhmouse
< 1406472092 951783 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello Melvar
< 1406472094 154997 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvarello
< 1406472107 429979 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello Mellvar
< 1406472108 580951 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mellvarello
< 1406472125 931075 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? No “Mellovar”?
< 1406472202 665760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/{node,ello}
< 1406472203 385643 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `bin/{node,ello}': No such file or directory
< 1406472205 505289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm bin/{node,ello}
< 1406472208 608699 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1406472220 221457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that program does but it is not a Look Around You reference and I therefore don't care about it
< 1406472315 805159 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406472567 668855 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this urge to mapole elliott, but I'm a sane person and won't act upon it.
< 1406472592 315491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am infinitely more powerful than you, and your mapole.
< 1406472670 647458 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I concur. all hail our ellioverlord!
< 1406472690 105633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your hailing means nothing to me.
< 1406472738 918036 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if hail doesn't work, will snow or sludge do the job?
< 1406472811 315557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I anticipated that joke and decided not to make it.
< 1406472869 780428 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn.
< 1406473563 966062 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net
< 1406473579 676531 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
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< 1406473745 36850 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I'm going to try and make Eitherfuck, with [ and ].
< 1406473751 665385 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :could I still call it Eitherfuck?
< 1406473758 964122 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I implement [ and ]
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< 1406473823 37084 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PART :#esoteric
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< 1406473857 268235 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1406474821 819156 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: I think it'd be more eithery if you implement either [ or ].
< 1406474840 985515 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :har har
< 1406474848 461521 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Eitherf*ck
< 1406474857 461529 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow the link is cut off because of the *
< 1406475094 687064 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1406475098 116841 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finished making it
< 1406475121 106467 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just compiles to brainfuck then executes that.
< 1406475126 947585 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't hard at all to make
< 1406475243 323756 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, I've been implementing too many Brainfuck derivatives lately
< 1406475249 776027 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to come up with some new idea
< 1406475250 794100 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1406475418 937322 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find the more mind-screwey esolangs out there are those that eschew traditional arithmetic, and need you to combine stuff together in unconventional ways to achieve basic tasks.
< 1406475434 829182 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you haven't had your brains smashed yet by underload, now is as good as ever.
< 1406475457 25610 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, malbolge, because malbolge.)
< 1406475538 820670 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: i do think if yiu make to much bf you will lose the ability to come up wuth something new
< 1406475949 158734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url ello
< 1406475950 129253 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/ello
< 1406475968 401937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind spoling myself... except it didn't work.
< 1406476050 936963 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get the koöakoski sequence
< 1406476577 782112 :_1man2kinds!~1man2kind@69-196-135-188.dsl.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406476620 908543 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406476684 215355 :_1man2kinds!~1man2kind@69-196-135-188.dsl.teksavvy.com QUIT :Client Quit
< 1406476884 314792 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: you're either on an estonian, finnish or swedish keyboard layout.
< 1406476901 441927 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or probably swiss.)
< 1406476916 821364 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :german
< 1406476929 325298 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn again. today is not my day.
< 1406477317 912218 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ´
< 1406477323 521554 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dayliob
< 1406477331 107135 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1406480880 774210 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dc14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40183 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+5003) 10I've been meaning to create this page for a while.
< 1406481005 789088 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dc14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40184&oldid=40183 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+7) 10The universe did not start in 1993
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< 1406482274 40562 :hektor!972a384d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.42.56.77 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
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< 1406482809 110065 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40185&oldid=40180 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+433) 10/* Physics */
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< 1406484196 817471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1406484260 478933 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
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< 1406485889 978491 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1406485900 685019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406485938 334316 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406486098 766704 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1406486115 124760 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft provide a download-to-run-on-another-computer installation of the Windows 8.1 SDK
< 1406486135 444879 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, they don't provide it as a download
< 1406486141 197191 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead, you have to install and run a program to get hold of it
< 1406486145 128639 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see if it works in Wine
< 1406486236 313462 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1406486253 647380 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
< 1406486380 268146 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft simply do not seem to understand that some people might not have an Internet-connected Windows computer to use on which they can run arbitrary programs
< 1406486396 613324 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my issue is that all the Internet connections I can use are locked down in some way or another
< 1406486606 45933 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, apparently the boot timed out, and now it's pegging three CPU cores
< 1406486616 108491 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no visible progress other than "modify_ldt: Invalid argument"
< 1406486784 603541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: they do understand, they just don't care
< 1406486786 333357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they?
< 1406486793 478118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is, after all, the Windows 8.1 SDK)
< 1406486814 805264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because if they want people developing for their system
< 1406486821 938294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they will need to make that possible
< 1406486835 296986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: obviously not, plenty of people develop for windows 8.1
< 1406486843 839953 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if LDT means local descriptor table (maybe your presumably-linux system is locked down somehow that doesn't work with wine)
< 1406486855 870092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft don't care either way whether you do or not... the kind of people who want to use the windows 8.1 sdk but don't have an internet-connected windows computer are insignificant to them
< 1406486862 81715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're all weirdos like you :P
< 1406486885 391218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I consider the top-level "load more comments" at the bottom of the page to load the second page of comments, I guess that's terminology that's a little inaccurate
< 1406486885 698248 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406486919 544270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Visual Studio still a) has the SDK bundled, and b) has an offline install that actually works
< 1406486921 197996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so I could use that
< 1406486949 473523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, they removed cl.exe from the SDK :-(
< 1406486977 193575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is actually pretty bad news if they didn't move it somewhere else, because it makes it impossible to write a cross-platform makefile that uses the Microsoft toolchian
< 1406486980 639024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*toolchain
< 1406486985 246153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're basically forcing people to use mingw instead
< 1406486998 497053 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1406487018 863257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not believe that the command-line compiler is gone. not in the slightest
< 1406487026 297752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope not
< 1406487057 644890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the way you get it isn't the same as what it used to be, so to use it, I'll need to find out the new method
< 1406487066 979470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I do use MinGW at least; since you can then use GCC whether the program is on Windows or on Linux.
< 1406487250 689502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the entire Visual Studio download process redirects between several pages, each of which requires JavaScript to display anything but a "this doesn't work without JavaScript" message
< 1406487324 137822 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something, somewhere, went horribly wrong.
< 1406487340 282712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it thinks I have cookies disabled even though I accepted them
< 1406487349 18027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try this in Chromium
< 1406487363 421688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my non-locked-down browser
< 1406488104 61153 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gently pokes ais523. “so, what happens next?”
< 1406488180 733562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever happens next is still happening
< 1406488193 709772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wine's now pegged three CPUs for half an hour
< 1406488196 296971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to kill it
< 1406488244 84817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I did manage an ISO download via Chromium, even though I had to reset the password to my Microsoft Account in the process because I couldn't exactly remember what it was
< 1406488253 917006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was lucky I even figured out which email address I must have used
< 1406488407 582121 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1406488445 730261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you haven't already, your next step is to get a FREE Visual Studio Online account, with Visual Studio Online you can
< 1406488447 604474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Create and host private source code repos in the cloud, including Git.
< 1406488448 754204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep yourself and your team on track with agile planning tools.
< 1406488450 292887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invite others to collaborate on your project.
< 1406488451 757393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so much more!
< 1406488466 917259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no thanks, Microsoft
< 1406488480 345064 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1406488495 854181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am annoyed enough at Github trying to make a code hosting site into a social media site
< 1406488510 157886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to this point, it hadn't even crossed my mind that someone might try to make an IDE into a social media site
< 1406488758 409785 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pair programming is obsolete, crowd programming is the future?
< 1406488893 338605 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"private", "cloud", hmm.
< 1406488934 353128 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like pair programming.
< 1406489041 478155 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, microsoft has always been good at vendor lockin.
< 1406489070 625153 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/cloud/butt/g, hth.
< 1406489304 189266 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :BYEEEBYEEE BOILYYYYYYY
< 1406489311 856970 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :best musical ever
< 1406489441 578027 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...?
< 1406489892 9467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't care, because Github is not the only code hosting site, for one thing.
< 1406489907 549609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, I use Gitorious for my git hosting
< 1406489917 550634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but have to use Github for work
< 1406489942 704473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: apparently there have been major issues caused by cloud-to-butt, especially people failing to turn it off during tech support conversations
< 1406490334 358258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of Fossil version system though? Some people prefer it over git.
< 1406490499 609363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often use darcs for my own projects
< 1406490511 285271 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are people besides sqlite using fossil?
< 1406490532 890523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but I have read somewhere who suggests that a few people do.
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< 1406496923 478384 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so I got Visual Studio Express 2013 installed
< 1406496925 626117 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PRESCIENT CHICKEN
< 1406496940 424558 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, the offline installer works, however it will only install a 30 day free trial without Internet access
< 1406497010 751668 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a regression from Visual Studio Express 2011
< 1406497149 72391 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :official word from Microsoft: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/vstudio/en-US/7d376cfb-5b2c-4542-acea-02dab2a03c69/offline-activation-of-visual-studio-2013-express-license-has-expired?forum=visualstudiogeneral
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< 1406498805 169220 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, hm why? The express version is free, so there is no point in doing a trial of it
< 1406498874 986095 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think Microsoft want usage data, and are prepared to force people to connect to the Internet every 30 days to get it
< 1406498891 882684 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe to make it inconvenient to use in businesses so that people buy the paid version
< 1406498930 502207 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1406498958 729394 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not sure it is inconvenient require internet every 30 days
< 1406498983 393365 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people writing code probably is on internet sometime in any given 30 day span
< 1406499000 683453 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless of course it needs internet exactly every 30 days (rather than a sliding window)
< 1406499135 908847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it even needs internet every 30 days.
< 1406499141 324254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just once during the initial 30 days.
< 1406499215 797491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which might still be a problem for some sort of "no unfettered internet connection on this server" kind of scenario, as alluded to in that discussion thread.
< 1406499217 600246 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that post is unclear
< 1406499299 485749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean the reply? I guess the "extend the license beyond the trial period" is a bit vague.
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< 1406499372 681089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-bold
< 1406499373 184849 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 said 3h 28m 7s ago: I consider the top-level "load more comments" at the bottom of the page to load the second page of comments, I guess that's terminology that's a little inaccurate
< 1406499380 29441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
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< 1406499391 478157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another random forum post says "-- will extend the "trial period" by a further 90 days each time you do it --".
< 1406499466 87524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The trial period for Express editions of Visual Studio is also 30 days. To indefinitely extend the trial period for Express editions of Visual Studio, sign in to Visual Studio or register the product." http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg442061.aspx
< 1406499475 598904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Internet access is required to register and unlock any edition of Visual Studio. After Visual Studio is registered, though, an internet connection is optional."
< 1406499512 198709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's still slightly ambiguous, since I don't know what "registering" means.
< 1406499527 102937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the "indefinitely extend" might still mean something to be done repeatedly.
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< 1406499657 199674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a 34-page "Visual Studio and MSDN Licensing White Paper" but it only briefly mentions the Express products.
< 1406499666 982639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a good thing they haven't made the licensing complicated.
< 1406499797 825148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep node bin/*
< 1406499798 744862 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary file bin/lua matches \ Binary file bin/luac matches \ Binary file bin/macro matches \ Binary file bin/ploki matches \ Binary file bin/tclkit matches \ Binary file bin/udcli matches \ Binary file bin/units matches
< 1406499832 589359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep 'env node' bin/*
< 1406499833 617212 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1406499846 494081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep '/node' bin/*
< 1406499847 504854 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1406500092 341238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily i'd like to recommend fueue.  it _has_ somewhat traditional arithmetic, and *still* screws your mind.
< 1406500092 786730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406500152 652369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily as in, programming in fueue starts at the point where you already master underload.
< 1406500152 832846 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406500346 650054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i can see the real wiki
< 1406500348 536958 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks awesome
< 1406500368 160465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: which kolakoski sequence were you having trouble with?
< 1406500465 869736 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way that Fueue uses entirely digits and punctuation, apart from one letter
< 1406500485 71655 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just cannot figure out how to read it so that it is run-length encoded
< 1406500580 873878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it gives only the run length, not the actual digits, which always alternate between 1 and 2
< 1406500644 834082 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1406500651 221350 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually makes sense
< 1406500716 201018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix$([1,2]++).drop 2.concat.flip(zipWith replicate)(cycle[1,2])
< 1406500717 835354 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,2,1,1,2,1,2,2,1,2,2,1,1,2,1,1,2,2,1,2,1,1,2,1,2,2,1,1,2,1,1,2,1,2,2,1,2...
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< 1406501060 482646 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody asked for a language that seems easy enough to try writing problems in it whilst not being hard enough to just generate them
< 1406501068 723942 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.do think fueue qualifies for thaz
< 1406501138 857230 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL probably counts too, at least only very simple INTERCAL has been generated
< 1406501148 238853 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because its everything-is-global style is hard for code generators to reason with, really
< 1406501151 783447 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, more global than that
< 1406501161 653375 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40186&oldid=40166 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-15) 10You don't get to make redlinks if you don't know the alphabet.
< 1406501239 601599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't sure if ais523_ is interpreting myname backwards or not
< 1406501260 420926 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, I interpreted it half-backwards
< 1406501273 644442 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"easy enough for humans to still be able to write in it, while hard enough that code generators are bad at targeting it"
< 1406501350 615140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: i wrote most (all?) of the fueue programs, without a generator, although it would probably have been much simpler to make a generator for all the delaying stuff.
< 1406501371 806839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, less work all over.
< 1406501390 402571 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: now I'm wondering what a Fueue self-interp would be like
< 1406501404 753159 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, one with eigenratio > 1, that is
< 1406501408 783311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1406501484 81216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some other languages i _did_ write generators for, like Emmental.
< 1406501530 961429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and /// when i programmed with only / and \
< 1406501546 644934 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought only / and \ made /// easier
< 1406501549 831475 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fewer characters to escape
< 1406501559 712685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the other way around.
< 1406501589 378691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : / and \ are the characters that _always_ must be escaped.
< 1406501609 104121 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, I mean, when copying
< 1406501611 353616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that i could have done with just some vim substitution.
< 1406501615 438352 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to have copy code for every character in your program
< 1406501657 337401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: i can assure you almost everything about programming /// becomes easier when you can use non-/\ characters.
< 1406501665 145328 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's what I was doing wrong
< 1406501673 878788 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also working on an infinite loop in ///
< 1406501679 109807 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and decided that / and \ only was easiest
< 1406501688 460483 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly gave up before you started
< 1406501690 439087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the real hard part with programming just /\ by hand is of course that you cannot possibly read it.
< 1406501715 287174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need syntax highlighting.
< 1406501746 489353 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that was also a problem, yes
< 1406501761 31193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: mind you, the _principle_ of an infinite loop isn't much different with just /\ than without, you just get more succinct and readable with other characters.
< 1406501765 741557 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs seem particularly prone to write-only code
< 1406501781 749979 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I pretty much had the principle figured, just couldn't translate it to code
< 1406501838 249082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however /\ adds extra complications like that you need your escaping tokens not to clash accidentally with other code.
< 1406501968 571011 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pure BF/Implementation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40187&oldid=27434 5* 03Ais523 5* (+76) 10add download link, because constructing one of those in MediaWiki is pretty hard if you don't know how; the text/css is a famous workaround to the IE text/plain XSS bug, explaining the details probably wouldn't fit in the edit summary
< 1406502069 938990 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and the dreaded GOTO statement, here particularly problematic because line numbers aren't hard set but based on file position
< 1406502085 441162 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's utter genius, why did no esolang think of that before? (SORTED almost counts)
< 1406502115 536793 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm not 100% sure those code samples are public domain
< 1406502139 566963 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those categories are really suspicious
< 1406502150 433206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: oh i see what you mean with "copy code for every character in your program", that's like in the first loop i wrote, and i suppose for that having just /\ _might_ simplify things.  but the later method based on quoting tokens is definitely easier with more characters.
< 1406502173 411953 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, I forgot about that new method
< 1406502595 397056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask zzo38 You added [[Uncontrollable]] to the Joke Language List, but there is no such article.  Do you have a link or description?
< 1406502595 793672 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406502614 629422 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1406502904 920516 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This program by Ørjan Johansen loops indefinitely, (slowly) printing longer and longer lines of asterisks. <-- I actually use that as my test to see if a language is probably Turing-complete
< 1406502926 787808 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it can do that without any features obviously designed to let it do that in particular, then it seems very likely to be TC
< 1406502957 45231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1406503093 679198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: now prove unlambda TC with only `rcd.* >:)
< 1406503124 166629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's famously enough to do that task)
< 1406503135 764803 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.*r are I/O, aren't they?
< 1406503152 43017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so i guess you can leave them out or replace by i if you want
< 1406503153 473767 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think `cd would be a much more interesting subset
< 1406503165 903956 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you need i as well?
< 1406503179 456432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well .* and r have the same pure effect part as i
< 1406503180 437808 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like subtle cough but actually interesting
< 1406503209 861280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: i don't actually believe that this _is_ TC, but you might surprise me like i did with underload)
< 1406503247 81533 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the point is that it's enough to do the longer-lines-of-asterisks, but not obviously enough to show TCness?
< 1406503247 299620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the d's can be replaced by i's as well
< 1406503252 99012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1406503273 421598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but the program is usually shown with d's for added weirdness, i guess.)
< 1406503284 70967 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :d might make a difference for TCness as a whole
< 1406503308 263552 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one problem with d is that its semantics are really hard to get your head around and I'm not 100% sure all interps implement it correctly
< 1406503316 518447 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have one that's known to get it right?
< 1406503327 541781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that seems likely. in fact pretty sure, because without it you just have subtle cough + i, which i'm pretty sure i've proved gives only 1 more program
< 1406503339 849286 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a name for this
< 1406503342 205194 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blatant cough, perhaps
< 1406503435 471077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never had problems with d with the distribution's C interpreter (that has a bug with e though)
< 1406503461 319870 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you get /e/ wrong?
< 1406503468 253025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me.
< 1406503486 22045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which curiously means that afaik, you can use my unlambda self interpreter to correct the problem, because e is the _only_ function i don't self-implement :P
< 1406503516 597097 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/can/can't/?
< 1406503526 424928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can.
< 1406503546 55963 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if e is buggy without self-interpreting, and you use the same buggy e, wouldn't it still be buggy?
< 1406503583 5450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said e is the only function which my interpreter _doesn't_ implement in terms of itself.
< 1406503597 352039 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I misinterpreted "self-implement"
< 1406503601 577519 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it interpret it in terms of c?
< 1406503634 835967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i pass the top continuation around, and that's equivalent to e.
< 1406503663 272022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i originally did this to have the theoretical possibility to embed the self-interpreter in another program.
< 1406503691 960582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by passing a less top continuation instead.
< 1406503717 544280 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I thought you did that
< 1406503909 552453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the C interpreter has a EOF == char 255 bug in some circumstances, which is particularly important when iterating my interpreter (thus there's the .unl2 version which drops the 255 character from the character table)
< 1406503959 764802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically it does ye olde saving getchar into a char thing)
< 1406504518 605383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i should also be able to vouch for the haskell unlambda interpreter, since that's based on my code.
< 1406504620 681651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm _pretty_ sure haskell unlambda interpreters already existed when i wrote mine, but it still is what got into hackage.)
< 1406504720 229072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've occasionally pondered writing one which _doesn't_ use a continuation monad, but instead is thoroughly reified so you can print all terms.
< 1406504733 409523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds easy enough
< 1406504743 447097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could CPS-transform, even, I guess?
< 1406504747 18351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(including continuation terms, using the notation i invented on the wiki)
< 1406504790 790919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it should be easy, it would basically be the data structure i already used in the INTERCAL one
< 1406504813 640875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which _had_ to be thoroughly reified, given my then INTERCAL knowledge)
< 1406504845 904791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: CPS-transform doesn't give you printable continuations.
< 1406504860 836832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it does as long as your functions are printable?
< 1406504893 275884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPS transform might be weird with d or whatever though I guess.
< 1406504934 971322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _did_ manage it in the Ocaml "compiler". afair it handles d and CPS transforms.
< 1406504983 459916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for a certain value of handles.
< 1406505079 890937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the real way of looking at this is really as graph rewriting.
< 1406505086 863044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or *tree
< 1406505146 246005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to put it weirder, a continuation is the same as an expression zipper.
< 1406505221 125904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some limitations on where you can have not yet evaluated expression parts.
< 1406505280 240633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although you could say d somewhat relaxes that limitation again)
< 1406505358 737340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  or to put it weirder, a continuation is the same as an expression zipper.
< 1406505360 416272 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1213)  or to put it weirder, a continuation is the same as an expression zipper.
< 1406505661 746458 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406505838 308219 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1406506268 768921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also one thing i realized when thinking about this; instead of thinking of d as an annoying special case it may be worthwhile to expand its special treatment to _more_ functions: continuations, e (which is really just a continuation as mentioned above) and i all can be implemented more efficiently that way.
< 1406506360 789598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. when evaluating ` you can throw away the outer continuation and replace it by  _before_ evaluating the expression.
< 1406506601 413051 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dc14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40188&oldid=40184 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10the page title isn't a section, also bold
< 1406506624 415400 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1406506666 120775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this, if we have it at all, should go under the recent idea of a Category:Honorable, together with at least bancstar
< 1406506671 288829 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I'm reading MSVC's list of compiler-dependent behaviour
< 1406506688 606789 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it lists unions as being "unreliable" for type-punning
< 1406506711 391543 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to gcc, which says that it reinterprets the bit patterns
< 1406506717 858229 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it does some sort of union behaviour I don't know odf
< 1406506718 980319 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of
< 1406506742 341627 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also implies that two fields of the same type aren't interchangeable in MSVC, at least officially
< 1406506935 833759 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I like the current Esolang description of d
< 1406506942 606051 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it pretty clear how to implement it
< 1406506956 566190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :d in unlambda?
< 1406506990 725620 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1406507013 236026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds http://stackoverflow.com/a/252568/1088108 which says it _is_ undefined behavior
< 1406507022 805846 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically i that evaluates second argument before first, rather than first arg before second
< 1406507029 264952 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's implementation-defined behaviour
< 1406507033 829915 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which MSVC defines as undefined
< 1406507295 950094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: note that it is still a bit tricky because the d of the expression can result from evaluation itself, e.g. ```kdi `.*i `./i
< 1406507308 401332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unlambda ```kdi `.*i `./i
< 1406507310 372921 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1406507316 737327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1406507332 41790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unlambda `` ``kdi `.*i `./i
< 1406507332 562994 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/*
< 1406507341 316518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unlambda `` ``kii `.*i `./i
< 1406507341 829451 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*/
< 1406507369 585072 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to evaluate the function first to determine what to do with the arguments
< 1406507374 828244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1406507377 863191 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, how many arguments it needs and which order to evaluate them in
< 1406507395 445240 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm coming to the realisation that unlambda is much simpler if you interpret it as varargs rather than as curried
< 1406507428 762551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well d is the only function which doesn't evaluate its first argument before getting another one
< 1406507452 172969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unlambda `s `.*i
< 1406507452 781211 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*
< 1406507510 877937 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm right
< 1406507524 201712 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't realise that it was visible whether S evaluated its first argument given no second argument or not
< 1406507527 953346 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be too much Haskell
< 1406507616 864967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have in fact concluded, but never properly checked, that it is possible to check a function for equality to d without other side effects
< 1406507655 748979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that is the _only_ thing you can find out about a function without risking side effects)
< 1406507692 696431 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, can you check `d`ei for equality to d without risking the program being exited?
< 1406507727 265468 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as soon as it gets any argument at all, the `ei is going to execute, so you can't apply it to anything
< 1406507733 812203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1406507753 268708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the _argument_ gets evaluated before the `ei
< 1406507769 773972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it can raise a continuation so that never happens
< 1406507772 197011 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1406507776 854285 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas `ei would exit the program immediately
< 1406507782 326470 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have no way to pass it to your d-checking function
< 1406507804 294020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well by function i mean an already evaluated function, not an expression.
< 1406507847 753289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `ei isn't already evaluated.
< 1406507965 761680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while `d`ei can be considered evaluated, since evaluating it alone has no side effects.
< 1406508097 120346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems i wrote my idea to use ' for already evaluated functions in the meta-notation section. so that would be 'd`ei (the second ` still remains since d freezes expressions, not just functions)
< 1406508592 614975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `./i
< 1406508594 821972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1406508644 368975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unlambda ``` ``s`kc ``s``s`ks ``s``s`ks k `k``si`kk `k``si`k`ki  d  `.ni `.yi
< 1406508645 244442 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ny
< 1406508653 409060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1406508677 897230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unlambda ```` ``s`kc ``s``s`ks ``s``s`ks k `k``si`kk `k``si`k`ki  d .n .y i
< 1406508678 382064 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :y
< 1406508687 817866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unlambda ```` ``s`kc ``s``s`ks ``s``s`ks k `k``si`kk `k``si`k`ki  `d`ei .n .y i
< 1406508688 426218 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :n
< 1406508692 901477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go
< 1406508696 357313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ^
< 1406508847 834845 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1406508863 734015 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in this case, you can detect d by giving two arguments and seeing which evaluates first
< 1406508875 561499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hand expanded from ^$f`c^$c``$f`$c k`$c`ki
< 1406508878 597246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1406508882 311455 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering if it's possible to write a k that doesn't evaluate its second argument at all in Unlambda
< 1406508910 385667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i don't think so.
< 1406508990 917811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm the expanded part being ``s`kc ``s``s`ks ``s``s`ks k `k``si`kk `k``si`k`ki, the actual testing function returning church bools
< 1406509131 436928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only way at all to apply a function to an argument without evaluating it is if the function is d.  but how do you get `k x to be d and still contain x
< 1406509435 408824 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunk14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40189&oldid=40173 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-20) 10/* External resources */ format
< 1406509548 997048 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Replacefuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40190&oldid=40170 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-23) 10/* External resources */ format (I don't think we need subsections unless this expands greatly)
< 1406509643 717369 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Topsy turvy14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40191&oldid=40174 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-24) 10Doesn't need a section, and intros shouldn't start with a section heading anyway
< 1406509796 680140 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07VIOLET14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40192&oldid=40178 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+15) 10/* Links */ format
< 1406509919 525211 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: opinions on the VIOLET code samples and copyright status?
< 1406509978 903759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i didn't consider that
< 1406510306 480173 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best to replace them with a link, if they're readily available online
< 1406510342 897143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually
< 1406510368 980283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect the repository owner is the same as the wiki user adding them
< 1406510407 31628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also greatly suspect ("buttech"?) this is all a joke, so that nobody but his copyright is really involved.
< 1406510433 293334 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406510440 163587 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, the categories on VIOLET are all wrong
< 1406510443 316619 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thematic", for instance
< 1406510454 595860 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2014 also looks wrong, but if it's correct, the copyright is fine
< 1406510465 392278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that he did grant us the license implicitly when copying to the wiki.
< 1406510494 252689 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1406510495 179994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said, i doubt there ever existed a buttech in the real 1980s.
< 1406510538 904547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*implied
< 1406510871 916789 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_
< 1406511024 526601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cannot quite decide whether violet counts as thematic or not.
< 1406511337 183409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have a way to do spoiler warnings in esolang?
< 1406511356 904662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the wiki
< 1406511420 297470 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What needds to be spolererered?
< 1406511441 165189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it would be bad form to say outright that violet is a joke
< 1406511487 320838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm leaving a note about the license issue on the talk page, which requires mentioning that.
< 1406511622 284905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...of course it requires a bloody extension.
< 1406511700 709160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: elliott: do you know a way to do that?
< 1406511712 649673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1406511720 893139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a spoiler?
< 1406511729 747401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1406511736 488826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do like  or something. maybe transparent won't work there
< 1406511741 202130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardcoding the background is a bit iffy but I guess you can.
< 1406511744 75064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then people have to select it.
< 1406511750 877335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, you have CSS access
< 1406511775 331167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.spoiler { outline: 1px dotted #eee; opacity: 0 } .spoiler:hover { opacity: 1 }
< 1406511782 373463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then make a template to add  or something
< 1406511794 227809 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, is it actually possible to type  correct?
< 1406512563 50153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and moreover, do any of _you_ see Esolang:Sandbox as something spoileriferous?
< 1406512646 200920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it gets overruled by somewhere else (skins?)
< 1406512699 685153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ais523_: do you see something in Esolang:Sandbox?
< 1406513021 553120 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it looks like it would if the text hadn't been spoiled at all
< 1406513029 529109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1406513037 681433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the css has no effect.
< 1406513188 649514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the dom browser tells me it becomes 
< 1406513247 150380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1406513249 266577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :class="spoiler"
< 1406513249 917077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1406513261 107433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just about remembering that
< 1406513293 889015 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40196&oldid=40194 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10maybe use the right keyword
< 1406513325 898967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm now it works, although the spoiler:before is useless as it's also hidden :P
< 1406513402 714634 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MediaWiki:Common.css14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40197&oldid=40195 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+9) 10try this again
< 1406513422 521846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no difference
< 1406513456 414472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :set opacity: 1 on the :before
< 1406513458 573191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe with !important
< 1406513466 682652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and add a space
< 1406513511 842388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what space, and where do i put !important
< 1406513512 359999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :might need to be  
< 1406513516 725746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after Spoiler:
< 1406513523 34403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and after the value (1)
< 1406513541 752402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try "dashed" instead of dotted for the outline maybe
< 1406513551 873841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is already a space after Spoiler:
< 1406513589 268689 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MediaWiki:Common.css14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40198&oldid=40197 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+17) 10further refinements
< 1406513603 973102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not here
< 1406513623 759287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you cannot use   in the string
< 1406513633 853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, in the css code
< 1406513707 140592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the outline also only shows when hovering
< 1406513758 119856 :ZuuJellyBaby!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :Zuu
< 1406513760 205622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the Spoiler: didn't become visible with opacity: 1 anyhow
< 1406513783 627326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there's an obvious solution, just make that template.
< 1406513885 166934 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MediaWiki:Common.css14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40199&oldid=40198 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-77) 10simplify instead
< 1406513966 404932 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MediaWiki:Common.css14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40200&oldid=40199 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-26) 10this doesn't show until hovering anyway
< 1406514019 553575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's rather minimal
< 1406514182 403345 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Spoiler14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40201 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+51) 10let's see if this works
< 1406514231 485018 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40202&oldid=40196 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-17) 10Jetzt mit Templaten
< 1406514352 537715 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406514483 876861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spots a typo so ridiculous he just has to leave it there
< 1406514521 582550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the wiki slow, or is my template causing it to croak?
< 1406514619 41521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki is always slow these days.
< 1406514695 903882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but now i've got triggered that "the universe is trying to tell you not to create this page" feeling :(
< 1406514744 820189 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MediaWiki:Common.css14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40203&oldid=40200 5* 03Ehird 5* (+107) 10
< 1406514757 39272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did something happen
< 1406514762 975966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work
< 1406514807 689086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you realize you just broke my template
< 1406514842 368086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but if it works you can make the template better.
< 1406514918 663065 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MediaWiki:Common.css14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40204&oldid=40203 5* 03Ehird 5* (+16) 10
< 1406514985 869488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the inner Spoiler: is still not showing without hovering
< 1406515002 410135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can never tell when my cache is cleared :/
< 1406515004 619332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now at least i see an outline.
< 1406515064 838595 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MediaWiki:Common.css14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40205&oldid=40204 5* 03Ehird 5* (+10) 10
< 1406515141 455342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that work?
< 1406515177 757247 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the sandbox gives me one spoiled and one unspoiled Spoiler: prefix
< 1406515177 958355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we remove that stupid inner Spoiler: , the template is actually handling that bit perfectly well if the CSS doesn't mess with it
< 1406515181 953620 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from that, yes
< 1406515200 655105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this way is better because it doesn't copy.
< 1406515206 74193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you select the text.
< 1406515214 176338 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the added Spoiler: has to be outside, though
< 1406515215 109662 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not inside
< 1406515228 675635 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the warning saying it's a spoiler can't sensibly be spoiled
< 1406515233 878966 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you'd have to spoil yourself to know it's a spoiler
< 1406515235 829124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i have no idea what you're talking about
< 1406515283 168328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*
< 1406515283 414452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that the inner one is transparent is a bug.
< 1406515283 414625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond that,
< 1406515283 414714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do Spoiler: spoilers work?
< 1406515283 414802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you can see, the :before one does not copy when text is selected. I consider this a feature, since it is cosmetic styling.
< 1406515290 503052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the spoiler doesn't exactly work at all when you move to plain text.)
< 1406515293 750668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok _now_ i see both.
< 1406515329 276072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i can assure you that IE copies the :before one just fine hth
< 1406515373 88351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is IE's problem
< 1406515373 268785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no other browser does it like that that I know of
< 1406515373 268952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only difference now is that yours is inside the outline
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< 1406515518 526559 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as broken as it was, but it's still ugly
< 1406515536 434189 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Spoiler14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40206&oldid=40201 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-15) 10ehird insists on putting this in the CSS
< 1406515574 856443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: how does the sandbox look now?
< 1406515610 588386 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the text that's meant to be spoiled is spoiled; the "Spoiler:" prefix is always visible (this is what was wrong with an earlier version), but is /inside/ the dotted box
< 1406515647 584037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't insist on it. you can do it however you'd like.
< 1406515656 29951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the spoiler text being part of the box is better.
< 1406515661 879930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :having it interrupt the text is weird.
< 1406515667 117687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/text/prefix/
< 1406515668 312914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: i'm having a bit trouble with your first sentence as i suspect spoiled means the opposite of how you are using it
< 1406515671 167997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the line before that one.)
< 1406515712 286515 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: err right
< 1406515712 474091 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoiled as in it's not shown by default because it's a spoiler
< 1406515712 474262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i actually agree
< 1406515712 474354 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mentally adds this to the list of words which are their own opposites
< 1406515712 474469 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "transparent"
< 1406515759 582575 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem!
< 1406515891 457519 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:VIOLET14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40207 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+457) 10Let's see if the universe will let me save this this time (Warning: SPOILER)
< 1406515964 636616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works!
< 1406516164 858808 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Intolerant14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40208&oldid=40182 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+45) 10People seem to have the strange idea these are optional
< 1406516338 974577 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Holy crap! I'm on fire!
< 1406516362 60815 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MediaWiki:Common.css14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40209&oldid=40205 5* 03Ehird 5* (+245) 10let's try pointless fanciness given how much time and fuss this has taken up anyway
< 1406516527 586737 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it doesn't look any different
< 1406516543 257149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe you. you have the old thing cached.
< 1406516555 602048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think it is possible for that CCS to produce, say, a dotted border.
< 1406516557 625631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*CSS
< 1406516627 877353 :nooodl!~nooodl@10.108-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1406516672 17819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1406516698 449854 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's updated now
< 1406516705 771166 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only conclude that there's some sort of time lag involved
< 1406516713 937948 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does look better, anyway
< 1406516720 897503 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I used the same method to cache bypass each time)
< 1406516918 745934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there does appear to be server-side caching
< 1406516927 900943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is annoying.
< 1406517715 484291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : up to this point, it hadn't even crossed my mind that someone might try to make an IDE into a social media site <-- maybe the backlash in favor of anti-social media sites is nigh
< 1406518053 83034 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone tried to make an IDE into a social media site?
< 1406518071 803710 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Microsoft and Visual Studio
< 1406518095 95571 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the extent that Visual Studio Express has to be connected to the Internet every 30 days (or at least once within 30 days) to function
< 1406518149 913477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that particular fact suffices for a "social media site"
< 1406518159 537385 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's a consequence
< 1406518167 309396 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not something that made me form the opinion
< 1406518171 851375 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pasted the actual reasons a while back
< 1406518186 113088 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:14]  If you haven't already, your next step is to get a FREE Visual Studio Online account, with Visual Studio Online you can [20:14]  Create and host private source code repos in the cloud, including Git. [20:14]  Keep yourself and your team on track with agile planning tools. [20:14]  Invite others to collaborate on your project. [20:14]  And so much more!
< 1406518209 346758 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: you need a Windows Live account to download Visual Studio in the first place
< 1406518219 609046 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they want you to create a separate Visual Studio Online acconut
< 1406518222 76760 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*account
< 1406518452 886637 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "including Git" strikes me as implying that Microsoft want to copy the success of Github somehow
< 1406518812 385051 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know: let's see if VS2012 is still available
< 1406518821 717436 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would solve half the issues with VS2013
< 1406519637 180044 :Donald_ET3!~det3@75-175-57-203.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406519670 744346 :Donald_ET3!~det3@75-175-57-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org seems to be down.
< 1406519673 870394 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406519695 561927 :Donald_ET3!~det3@75-175-57-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it just me?
< 1406519717 125051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1406519723 860194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was up but slow just a while ago
< 1406519733 593314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi
< 1406519734 343270 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1406519742 764107 :Donald_ET3!~det3@75-175-57-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we contact an admin?
< 1406519744 884664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok the server is not down
< 1406519759 158973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( HackEgo is on the same server )
< 1406519759 760356 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:31: error: expected: "!!",
< 1406519760 136300 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    "$", "$>", "&&", "&&&", "*",
< 1406519760 323807 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    "***", "+", "++", "-", "->",
< 1406519760 323950 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    ".", "/", "/=", ":+", ":-",
< 1406519760 324040 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    "::", ":::", ":=", "<", "<$",14↵…
< 1406519773 960685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1406519816 302892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main admin is probably sleeping at the moment
< 1406519825 52670 :Donald_ET3!~det3@75-175-57-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay.
< 1406519827 573813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the other one is even harder to get hold of)
< 1406519834 334667 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1406519848 961886 :Donald_ET3!~det3@75-175-57-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any clues as to what is happening right now?
< 1406519868 650605 :Donald_ET3!~det3@75-175-57-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is this not a recurring issue?
< 1406519957 456816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it gets occasionally slow is recurring enough. we had a more serious longterm issue until a few days ago, but that seems to have been resolved.
< 1406519974 88940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as long as HackEgo responds it is not entirely dead
< 1406519983 366685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo i'm alive!
< 1406519983 706155 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm alive!
< 1406519992 833119 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang was working like half an hour ago
< 1406520003 937893 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, now seems to be down
< 1406520019 394956 :Donald_ET3!~det3@75-175-57-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I ping the URL, it comes back from "c1105889-5122.cloudatcost.com". So, it must be hosted by someone else?
< 1406520026 97683 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it more like one hourr
< 1406520037 284645 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Donald_ET3: pretty much all websites are hosted on virtual servers nowadays
< 1406520042 629742 :Donald_ET3!~det3@75-175-57-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1406520043 617948 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for most people, that implies a hosting company
< 1406520061 521641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uptime
< 1406520068 905616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep
< 1406520074 241293 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can that seriously escape the sandbox?
< 1406520079 51902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo still there?
< 1406520079 741663 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still there?
< 1406520088 715762 :Donald_ET3!~det3@75-175-57-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, is it the hosting company's fault?
< 1406520094 702753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: i just wanted to see if it was still there
< 1406520099 149836 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1406520110 937744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1406520126 120957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it said anything useful
< 1406520131 322229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid echoing brain
< 1406520143 677308 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1406520147 769395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Donald_ET3: we don't know.
< 1406520158 117086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that was the `uptime finally responding
< 1406520158 541394 :Donald_ET3!~det3@75-175-57-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the significance of "`echo"
< 1406520169 278167 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo runs shell commands
< 1406520173 423840 :Donald_ET3!~det3@75-175-57-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1406520173 953653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Donald_ET3: just that it's the simplest way to get HackEgo to confirm it's working
< 1406520176 929753 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "echo" is one of the simplest shell commands, and thus the most reliable
< 1406520183 635843 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`yes
< 1406520209 769993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may seem that HackEgo is also very slow now, for anything more complicated than echo
< 1406520228 869485 :Donald_ET3!~det3@75-175-57-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping -c 1 esolangs.org
< 1406520241 162091 :Donald_ET3!~det3@75-175-57-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work. :/
< 1406520243 877866 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1406520244 65827 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y 
< 1406520252 729872 :Donald_ET3!~det3@75-175-57-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1406520255 286144 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :network commands have blacklists or whatever
< 1406520258 740417 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping
< 1406520259 299942 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1406520264 224000 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not network ping, obviously
< 1406520272 745151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1406520287 126778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Donald_ET3: yeah outgoing connections from the bot are censored
< 1406520292 640555 :Donald_ET3!~det3@75-175-57-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1406520340 569332 :Donald_ET3!~det3@75-175-57-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1406520354 33889 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 98076 \ a \ app.sh \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ moop.txt \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ unpa \ UNPA \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf
< 1406520378 542553 :Donald_ET3!~det3@75-175-57-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting.
< 1406520398 912589 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the root directory gets full of all sorts of random things
< 1406520403 318320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, HackEgo has a bit weird syntax. you need to use `run if you want commands with more than one parameter or shell features
< 1406520433 746580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try to clean up occasionally.  it's been worse.
< 1406520447 524826 :Donald_ET3!~det3@75-175-57-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1406520460 177146 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for x in `seq 1 5`; do quote; done
< 1406520466 259425 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1084)  btw, ^v, what are your approximate geographic coördinates and body weigh?  <^v> 300 and USA   nice to see that ^v is keeping with the spirit of the channel by providing completely useless answers to the question. \ 284)  o.O   There's a birth defect which results in the formation of a cloaca.   It's cal
< 1406520502 576151 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the shell-feature version of the 5-`quote doesn't seem quite as effective
< 1406520524 206117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :line length limits do tend to do that
< 1406520550 637580 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:e406:39a0:767e:e863 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1406520562 47779 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 284
< 1406520562 690133 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :284)  o.O   There's a birth defect which results in the formation of a cloaca.   It's called "not being a mammal" :P
< 1406520564 846714 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_v
< 1406520568 594126 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, boring.
< 1406520577 862070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: so is your approximate body weigh still USA?
< 1406520598 122163 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:e406:39a0:767e:e863 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, i legidamately dont remember saying that
< 1406520623 185650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1406520626 823054 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same for me with that one quote
< 1406520640 119350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot disprove it either since HackEgo lost access to the logs
< 1406520652 504521 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:e406:39a0:767e:e863 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds familiarish
< 1406520657 121492 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:e406:39a0:767e:e863 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_>
< 1406520658 510392 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:e406:39a0:767e:e863 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but idk
< 1406520671 609730 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:e406:39a0:767e:e863 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might have been years ago
< 1406520681 926022 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1406520682 885797 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :692)  fungot: Yeah, "fungott" would [...] remind people of elliott.   fizzie: now that could be nice for a simple language can be used
< 1406520684 832037 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1406520685 697043 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :652)  A quick look as WIikipedia ways that Wicca is a specific form of paganism related to witchcraft.   That agrees with what I know from that Scoobie Doo movie with the wiccans in it.
< 1406520686 844461 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1406520690 517638 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :141)  i like to imagine their mangled limbs.
< 1406520698 617821 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, this is a particularly bad set of quotes
< 1406520718 120914 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be in favour of deleting them all but 1084
< 1406520756 662176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :652 is good
< 1406520774 164207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say "good"
< 1406520778 717993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the quotes are terrible, and should be deleted.
< 1406520796 563651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe custom is you can only delete one, hth
< 1406520805 478097 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1406520827 736556 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :141 is probably the worst
< 1406520838 191789 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if I had to read 692 twice before it became vaguely funny
< 1406520845 983720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this alise was a horrible person
< 1406520857 920160 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only then the only amusement value is that it's possible to misinterpret fungot as insulting elliott, which isn't actually that funny
< 1406520858 107509 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: so the cycle is. in emms.el a few
< 1406520880 286032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: then let's get deleting quickly.
< 1406520897 752465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 141
< 1406520900 818500 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  i like to imagine their mangled limbs.
< 1406520947 931612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there's some hilarious context that we've all forgotten.
< 1406520968 436550 :Donald_ET3!~det3@75-175-57-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, esolangs.org seems to be back up.
< 1406520980 597549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huzzah!
< 1406521097 730548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was doing some maintenance script
< 1406521511 679618 :Donald_ET3!~det3@75-175-57-203.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat
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< 1406522517 255609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek
< 1406522554 76636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's dead again
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< 1406523076 34605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hug HackEgo 
< 1406523084 983681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what.
< 1406523096 597585 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: hug: not found
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< 1406526751 590777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the fastest VPS around.
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< 1406544305 448252 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 12h 16m 52s ago: i'd like to recommend fueue. it _has_ somewhat traditional arithmetic, and *still* screws your mind.
< 1406544305 749332 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 12h 15m 52s ago: as in, programming in fueue starts at the point where you already master underload.
< 1406544368 557734 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan it sounds like a wonderful source of pain. I'll have to try to write something in it.
< 1406544369 31584 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406544406 797658 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan  `delquote 141 ← would you like me to unmangle the PDF too?
< 1406544407 297237 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406544574 905725 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan re. fueue: uhm. well. uuuuh... some other day perhaps. ow.
< 1406544575 452500 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406544768 318431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep mentally confusing Fueue and Fugue.
< 1406544939 308684 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, if you have any questions about Fueue, don't ask me, I only wrote the language
< 1406545064 720286 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I currently am in a post-confused state.
< 1406545086 493408 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"post-confused state" hehe
< 1406545086 818035 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: same with aubergine. I wrote it, but other understood it.
< 1406545091 929609 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/r\b/rs/
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< 1406548364 146746 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
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< 1406550220 776730 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this count as an esolang? http://spel.sourceforge.net/info/spel.html
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< 1406560601 146512 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys
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< 1406562132 439014 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, TieSoul 
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< 1406564487 246951 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nest14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40212&oldid=34611 5* 03199.116.52.89 5* (-119) 10/* External resources */
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< 1406566200 130352 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
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< 1406567678 785236 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a kind of shell for all the languages I've implemented. Should I put it in my userpage or make a new page for it?
< 1406568352 31313 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406568367 583318 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 NICK :Bicyclidine
< 1406568656 427908 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool
< 1406568682 355060 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :put it on a code-sharing site
< 1406568689 91852 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :link to it from all the languages it supports
< 1406568693 437105 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe  we'll add more languages
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< 1406568780 209282 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make a GitHub for it
< 1406568790 760559 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :GitHub repository*
< 1406568824 567031 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I do plan on adding more languages
< 1406568829 479190 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in Python btw
< 1406568852 371883 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been thinking about making a universal esolang IDE/interpreter in python
< 1406568872 863973 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i even went so far as making a list of all languages that already have extant python interps
< 1406568876 662098 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on my user page
< 1406568888 465631 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i never went so far as actually starting the project ;P
< 1406568901 169208 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to work out how to tunnel ssh over http/https (to by pass a proxy at work). But it seems nginx doesn't support doing that :/
< 1406568918 198861 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I already use nginx
< 1406568924 705687 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can add Befunk and Replacefuck to that list.
< 1406568960 61922 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as Eitherfuck. I implemented it yesterday
< 1406568985 87762 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1406568987 149470 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :with [ and ] included
< 1406569105 150370 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't find the eitherfuck wiki page
< 1406569128 10387 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called eitherf*ck
< 1406569138 583512 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my interpreter is not on it yet
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< 1406569472 201829 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather the shell use interpreters I made though :P
< 1406569517 369675 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case we'll not add code to it!
< 1406569551 557786 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can fork it if you really want to expand on it
< 1406569565 596877 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we unilaterally change the name of eitherf*ck to eitherfuck? it would make it easier to talk about and search for
< 1406569600 618920 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo eitherfu*k
< 1406569615 378534 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh the *
< 1406569619 418668 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp gotta go
< 1406569621 236140 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternately, define the * as a shell glob
< 1406569634 783908 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :available names for eitherfu*k depend on your pwd
< 1406569657 305706 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :eith*rfuck
< 1406569659 186301 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect
< 1406569680 389953 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we're talkin.
< 1406569690 310489 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now we're not
< 1406569697 49471 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah we are
< 1406569700 478062 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't need ur sass
< 1406569708 242750 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :take it, it's free
< 1406569736 137225 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*itherfuck
< 1406569764 601738 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that it matches zitherfuck
< 1406569770 176768 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i want to make a zitherfuck
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< 1406569854 953560 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zwitterionfuck
< 1406569920 917320 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw the shell is incredibly lazily made.
< 1406569927 502441 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1406569928 820667 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/TieSoul/Multilang
< 1406569932 969458 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :here it is though
< 1406569958 650390 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some bugs
< 1406569960 124775 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1406570106 922461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: can't you just run ssh on the https port?
< 1406570118 384558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does the firewall actually check you're doing TLS properly?
< 1406570142 721367 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Quintopia14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40213&oldid=38316 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+94) 10
< 1406570163 298271 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there i added them to the list
< 1406570178 524030 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1406570370 319290 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Replacefuck14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40214&oldid=40190 5* 03TieSoul 5* (+137) 10Multilang
< 1406570456 981064 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40215&oldid=39057 5* 03TieSoul 5* (+114) 10Multilang
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< 1406570532 163202 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1406570583 84550 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :TieSoul
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< 1406570794 406222 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language should I implement? :P
< 1406570801 313881 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eodermdrome
< 1406570825 826224 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand eodermdrome too well :P
< 1406570833 639516 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect
< 1406570922 583985 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :spiral
< 1406570969 27212 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :spiral seems really cool
< 1406570972 53901 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try
< 1406571112 635615 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a deque?
< 1406571116 928038 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like a stack?
< 1406571266 16160 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: http://esolangs.org/wiki/When
< 1406571281 789737 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should totally implement that
< 1406571298 616530 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"deque" is short for double-ended queue
< 1406571299 225526 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: can't you just run ssh on the https port? <-- that used to work, but it doesn't any more
< 1406571304 636874 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's so much info on that wiki page!
< 1406571307 649299 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I guess it checks that it is actually TLS data
< 1406571311 611801 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Spiral14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40216&oldid=38317 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-3) 10/* Errors */ finally got annoyed by this grammar error enough to fix it
< 1406571319 475645 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically like a stack or a queue or whatever, except you can push and pop from any side
< 1406571338 794873 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well that's easy to implement.
< 1406571341 171387 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1406571355 545132 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so :/
< 1406571376 47835 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: the author's description of the language in the linked mailing list is rather straightforward
< 1406571388 854544 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is worth trying again I guess though, on my VPS instead of my home server. Could be it blacklisted connecting to dynamic ips perhaps? I don't know
< 1406571452 689796 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I wonder if a plain http proxy will work. If it does, I could run apache on port 80 (my current setup just serves a redirect to https anyway) and have it redirect to nginx except for the proxy
< 1406571453 167912 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically like a "calculator" of sorts, that is, every line in a program is an expression to be interpreted (like "3 + 4 * 5", or "if a = 0 then 3 else 4"), except there's this cool "when" operator
< 1406571520 551455 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the author says his implementation will be available soon and then went silent for over a decade :)
< 1406571596 386968 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm there is this, but the link to the tutorial is dead. Also it doesn't specify if it uses CONNECT. Probably not? https://github.com/shawnl/nginx-ssh
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< 1406571686 482317 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia?
< 1406571709 634375 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the integers in spiral signed or unsigned?
< 1406571913 968841 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what happens if the ":" instruction gets a char with unicode value > 255/256?
< 1406571923 817897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: could you just do ssh over tls?
< 1406571940 566909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with like, stunnel or whatever
< 1406571978 113385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Bonus benefit: you can call it twice as secure.
< 1406571990 51744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :/
< 1406571994 519173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :telnet over tls
< 1406572000 791377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :client certificates, woo
< 1406572018 209853 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a javascript web shell that uses XMLHttpRequest to do ssh
< 1406572298 145867 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul?
< 1406572312 622934 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: where can I try out our shell?
< 1406572336 427987 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :The python code is downloadable at https://github.com/TieSoul/Multilang
< 1406572342 561615 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: everything is bytes
< 1406572351 554753 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, possibly. I'll try it at least.
< 1406572352 795643 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: unicode is unsupported
< 1406572367 719372 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not sure stunnel will work though, I suspect spdy won't work.
< 1406572371 279820 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: but if you want to make it something else, feel free. that's unspecified in the spec
< 1406572377 637778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean, you'd have to MITM the connection to determine it's http encapsulated in the TLS, right?
< 1406572382 640242 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you can do spdy non-encrypted internally
< 1406572389 541448 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed that is the issue
< 1406572397 487632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they probably don't.
< 1406572407 630440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can put ssh in it instead.
< 1406572415 545699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I guess firewalls are MITMs by definition. but still.
< 1406572427 198400 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure
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< 1406572433 143411 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: "our" shell? :P
< 1406572436 250199 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well stunnel to sslh to nginx|ssh would work then
< 1406572441 485864 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your!
< 1406572447 597164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why involve nginx?
< 1406572448 681374 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :typing is hard
< 1406572451 384059 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1406572454 677291 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I still need a proper web server :P
< 1406572470 303705 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, For, you know, web traffic
< 1406572472 87902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, is the port actually filtered?
< 1406572477 272170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can you just run ssh-over-tls on some other port
< 1406572486 50174 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I know someone named Koen irl, and he seems like the kind of person to be interested in esolangs :P
< 1406572492 627048 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're probably not him though
< 1406572498 164002 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I want to serve https as well as being able to sneak in ssh over that port basically
< 1406572511 68565 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually named Koen so we're Kool
< 1406572515 562272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why not run ssh-over-tls on port 1234567891011 and http-over-tls on port 443 or whatever it is
< 1406572518 572511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that works
< 1406572521 22338 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah cool
< 1406572531 91124 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can't connect to any port but 80 and 443 out
< 1406572534 862623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.
< 1406572540 204061 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't connect to 8080 for example
< 1406572545 88086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :run ssh-over-tls on port 80 then :P
< 1406572571 201479 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might work. Not sure if it allows tls over port 80 
< 1406572588 467506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.agroman.net/corkscrew/ https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Tunneling_SSH_through_HTTP_proxies_using_HTTP_Connect
< 1406572592 939648 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I could easily set up a simple daemon to detect real http and redirect it
< 1406572596 59729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dag.wiee.rs/howto/ssh-http-tunneling/
< 1406572611 723923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/using-corkscrew-to-tunnel-ssh-over-http/
< 1406572627 895573 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw Koen_ if you didn't see, shell source is here: https://github.com/TieSoul/Multilang
< 1406572633 605907 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I looked into some of this yes. The problem is that nginx doesn't support forward proxying (that is HTTP CONNECT)
< 1406572638 201683 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need python to run it though
< 1406572638 394247 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup I guessed that
< 1406572639 94141 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apache does
< 1406572644 990033 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But urgh
< 1406572659 154877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you could run varnish or something in front of nginx
< 1406572671 582866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but:
< 1406572671 838690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tip: If your proxy does not support the HTTP Connect method, see HTTP Tunneling.
< 1406572684 805309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HTTP_Tunneling
< 1406572719 83079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :openvpn seems to support tunneling over http, so maybe you could just use that and then use ssh directly inside the VPN.
< 1406572747 286623 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1406572768 548879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :httptunnel + proxying through nginx looks like it should work though.
< 1406572789 254795 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm perhaps
< 1406572832 115489 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, So nginx is the public facing web server, reverse proxying to httptunnel on some specific url?
< 1406572837 290249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw, how about getting another job?
< 1406572845 214553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, something like that presumably
< 1406572851 930384 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, it pays well and isn't too bad usually
< 1406572873 532813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could just ask them to allow ssh on port 22 :)
< 1406572908 341173 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that has been tried before. No luck
< 1406572953 879018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :github's new issues page is a little disorienting
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< 1406573452 502715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to have some sort of a really complicated thing when IRCing from the civil service place. Fortunately I've forgotten the details.
< 1406573490 266109 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, :/
< 1406573529 241670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was in 2002, I'm sure the software landscape looks different these days anyway.
< 1406573981 544569 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Huh I wonder if you could use websockets for this. Maybe? It looks like it could be used for that
< 1406574077 537870 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well there is a node.js thing to tunnel tcp over websockets
< 1406574087 231524 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard node.js is pretty bad though
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< 1406574313 149047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://http-tunnel.sourceforge.net/ has a PHP-based server-side thing.
< 1406574324 42080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are (unsurprisingly) a number of kludgy HTTP tunneling things.
< 1406574337 103742 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a fan of php but okay
< 1406574337 452148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already linked one. :p
< 1406574387 748308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one you linked had so orange-on-black website that I couldn't figure out if it uses some particular paths for the requests so that you could easily use a nginx reverse-proxy in front of its server-side half.
< 1406574391 170346 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm looking at the reverse proxy thing for httptunnel. Was googling for how to set up the reverse proxy thing...
< 1406574399 969605 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And stumbled upon websockets 
< 1406574404 957284 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I went off on a tangent
< 1406574407 602797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one I linked was an arch linux wikipedia page.
< 1406574410 365210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1406574411 774209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/pedia//
< 1406574454 822081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, the home page of the actual program.
< 1406574485 993740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the Arch page just says "run hts and htc" with no comments on what you should do if you want also a regular HTTP server at that port.
< 1406574516 615774 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed. But I think a reverse proxy from nginx might work.
< 1406574560 335859 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming it isn't doing anything silly, like buffering
< 1406574587 632065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it does that by default, yes.
< 1406574590 877328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can turn it off.
< 1406574600 202271 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, can't find how though
< 1406574600 404583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://nginx.com/resources/admin-guide/nginx-reverse-proxy/ "Configuring Buffers".
< 1406574616 926984 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh okay, I was looking at the module reference, silly me
< 1406574745 159108 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm wondering if I can do this over https. Maybe? Can I do it in a sub-path? Who knows.
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< 1406574871 967774 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
< 1406574873 653115 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm guess I can't specify a http path
< 1406574877 58493 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :new version of my shell :D
< 1406574881 148083 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added Random
< 1406574881 500504 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sucks
< 1406574972 3769 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://http-tunnel.sourceforge.net/ has a PHP-based server-side thing. <-- there is a stand-alone perl thing too, could maybe proxy to that and avoid php
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< 1406575056 739099 :hektor!972a384d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.42.56.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi there
< 1406575062 635463 :hektor!972a384d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.42.56.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just finished writing the wiki page for my new language
< 1406575067 904615 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Logique14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40217 5* 03Hektor 5* (+2490) 10Created the page for Logique
< 1406575210 897221 :hektor!972a384d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.42.56.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh I messed up the link for the interpreter
< 1406575279 234073 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Logique14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40218&oldid=40217 5* 03Hektor 5* (-1) 10Fixed a link
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< 1406576107 792475 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, actually this one is the only one I found so far that allows using a specific path on the server: https://www.npmjs.org/package/wstunnel
< 1406576132 946519 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe the php one before did, but I tried the perl variant of it, and it didn't work properly in a quick local test. So no
< 1406576217 723579 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem to support non-transparent proxy from the client tool though
< 1406576219 539375 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh
< 1406576235 635355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can just proxy the path with nginx...?
< 1406576249 70866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a subdomain even
< 1406576255 637940 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes but obviously the client need to be able to connect to that path
< 1406576268 553705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I follow.
< 1406576299 995936 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, i.e. Some clients (like for GNU httptunnel) only allows you to connect to webserver:port, not webserver:port/myproxy
< 1406576306 491264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. subdomain then :)
< 1406576321 53339 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, that would work, as long as they send those virtual host headers
< 1406576329 129168 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :For https it would need SNI too
< 1406576343 292013 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm looking at which tools send vhost headers
< 1406576343 772072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have ipv6 at work
< 1406576348 990403 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nope. :(
< 1406576351 373029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need https if you're tunneling ssh
< 1406576359 236845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you had multiple ipv4s it'd be easy :p
< 1406576369 809889 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes I could get that, but I think it costs money from linode
< 1406576384 555431 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lets see
< 1406576399 226160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: clearly host it on your home computer and tunnel ssh through ssh
< 1406576417 552576 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well okay, that could work. Hm
< 1406576472 95602 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only potential issue is if the home computer is turned off. Which happens. I generally don't leave it on if there is expected to be thunderstorms
< 1406576480 491479 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess I would have to live without those days
< 1406576487 650386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how about use tor? they have bridges over HTTP.
< 1406576491 435765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then just use ssh as normal.
< 1406576496 188422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually kinda half-serious.
< 1406576516 996289 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. That would work. But wouldn't it be super-slow?
< 1406576532 816418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tor should be fast enough for ssh, it's not *that* slow. you could use mosh too
< 1406576545 819536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tor is slow for, like, large downloads, it's actually not that bad in terms of latency and stuff IMO
< 1406576590 680957 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mosh is udp. Good luck with that in this case
< 1406576600 508217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, tor is tcp-only
< 1406576614 547712 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also good luck with udp through the company firewall/proxy
< 1406576623 709813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could do UDP over TCP :3
< 1406576631 281317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah.
< 1406576648 452678 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds ridiculous, but so does all of this really
< 1406576656 100467 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically everything out is blocked except port 80 and 443 through the proxy. 
< 1406576671 339662 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway doing proxytunnel.sourceforge.net to home might work.
< 1406576680 236221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly find Tor surprisingly fast. sometimes I open the tor browser bundle to bypass a paywall or whatever and accidentally end up doing web browsing in it and I notice the noscript more than the speed
< 1406576695 781635 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1406576696 9324 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tor lets you pass paywalls?
< 1406576715 893438 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine, some of them is like x free articles / month
< 1406576717 805072 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such
< 1406576722 305246 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, those.
< 1406576726 805969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that kinda thing.
< 1406576736 296238 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, clearing cookies sometimes work with those too :P
< 1406576743 263307 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like for svd.se (A swedish news paper)
< 1406576744 816227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more work and less cyberpunk :p
< 1406576748 442975 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah
< 1406576763 79307 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant for something requiring pay to read at all and i was like sign me up for that shit
< 1406576765 798181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The major Finnish newspaper (hs.fi) has a javascript localStorage-based paywall.
< 1406576778 210918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Incognito mode/"private browsing" works for it, though.)
< 1406576783 80032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: it's true. tor turns your browser into a hacker
< 1406576785 339254 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they do it on IP alone, since that would screw over people behind NAT
< 1406576793 198213 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right
< 1406576799 519165 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: daaaaang
< 1406576821 855014 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technology sure is incredible.
< 1406576826 517078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think the NAT thing would be fine
< 1406576829 126399 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should i say hacknology
< 1406576831 657258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they probably care about home users more than anything else
< 1406576847 98088 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, some ISPs NAT nowdays
< 1406576860 311786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think CGN is very widespread
< 1406576872 664975 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does CGN mean?
< 1406576879 796532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :carrier-grade NAT
< 1406576887 219198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the horrifying endgame of IPv4 exhaustion
< 1406576913 291948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish we had nice network infrastructure.
< 1406576915 620371 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard of that happening in Sweden (Banhoff maybe? I forgot which one), but if you called them and asked for a public IP they would just give you one
< 1406576922 139649 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, you'd think my university IT would be able to do IPv6
< 1406576924 280429 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well i guess
< 1406576932 678374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: You'd think the same about ours, but...
< 1406576973 39620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ISP's IRC server had acquired an AAAA record a few days ago (noticed because it started giving an "unauthorized connection" error, thanks to the IPv6 tunnel), so perhaps that's a sign they're going to roll it out to customers in the next decade or so? 
< 1406577066 402438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be nice if routing wasn't a hard problem. :/
< 1406577114 637263 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NP-Completeness of ad hoc multicast routing problems" boo yah
< 1406577116 485966 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep
< 1406577168 940251 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could reverse proxy to proxytunnel
< 1406577187 974295 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that just a client?
< 1406577198 160830 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah looks like it
< 1406577219 491621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you're doing it to your home computer, you can just use stunnel + ssh
< 1406577222 870177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming any TLS works
< 1406577227 398726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you don't need a web browser there
< 1406577235 426210 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right. Worth a try
< 1406577578 367973 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language should I implement next? I'm making a mega-interpreter/shell for esolangs :P
< 1406577651 572075 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have Befunge, Brainfuck, Random, Replacefuck, Eitherfuck.
< 1406577672 526199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eodermdrome, naturally.
< 1406577674 987631 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try When
< 1406577687 888825 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie.
< 1406577695 159367 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not going to implement Eodermdrome
< 1406577696 318004 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1406577706 379794 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul, befunge-98?
< 1406577709 492621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, someone should.
< 1406577721 327345 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well Befunge-98 is the version of Befunge implemented
< 1406577736 409051 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul, you already done befunge-98?
< 1406577740 242684 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What!?
< 1406577756 397819 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Koen_, I'm not comfortable trying to implement an imperative language yet.
< 1406577772 974750 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's definitely not an imperative language
< 1406577780 663116 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1406577786 445033 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything just's expression
< 1406577796 996409 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd call it functional
< 1406577799 710012 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have the wrong definition of imperative in my head
< 1406577806 858463 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1406577816 27488 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is imperative :)
< 1406577824 30521 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1406577825 62454 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1406577828 20450 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, definitely
< 1406577849 836505 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes Vorpal I already did Befunge-98
< 1406577865 992831 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really that hard
< 1406577873 632114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it Mycology-clean, though? 
< 1406577877 967423 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1406577888 707362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then you have some work to do.
< 1406577889 567196 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes into an infinite loop at one point and I can't figure out why
< 1406577903 691720 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul, well then it isn't properly working
< 1406577907 707759 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 'y' instruction gives wrong info sometimes and I can't figure out why
< 1406577924 553333 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 'u' instruction works fine, but Mycology says it doesn't work and I can't figure out why
< 1406577936 722189 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mycology is probably right
< 1406577952 786395 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written two implementations of befunge-98 (cfunge and efunge)
< 1406577962 830625 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I found that most of the time mycology was right, and I wasn't
< 1406577990 810731 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul, you will simply have to add some debug printing to discover the issue. Probably it is testing some edge case
< 1406578003 377950 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
< 1406578022 811583 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so mycology says "BAD: form feed reflects" and then gets stuck in an infinite loop.
< 1406578043 41117 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried fixing it
< 1406578045 801103 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :to no avail
< 1406578047 656115 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well form feed shouldn't reflect
< 1406578066 127332 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1406578069 869332 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what should form feed do in befunge? As opposed to trefunge
< 1406578079 664666 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exist at all
< 1406578082 397934 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check what befunge does
< 1406578127 364456 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul, cfunge ignores it while loading the file
< 1406578137 860470 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1406578141 806797 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that
< 1406578143 86313 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul, as in, it is as if it wasn't there
< 1406578149 581660 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the problem wasn't fixed
< 1406578154 333809 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1406578160 950244 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1406578165 289898 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, it is ignored
< 1406578177 8859 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I made it reflect again for some reason
< 1406578181 731121 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember why
< 1406578200 199506 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycology is probably correct, but the cause of the issue might not be what it says. The feedback from it isn't always the best.
< 1406578210 21491 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it says "u with zero count does something"
< 1406578212 684784 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't
< 1406578219 119454 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pops something and then continues on
< 1406578221 898549 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::S
< 1406578230 49356 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? Write your own test program?
< 1406578245 417758 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I've tested it
< 1406578250 948227 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and redownloaded Mycology
< 1406578255 282514 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tested it again
< 1406578269 393130 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :			case 'u':
< 1406578269 583580 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :				if (ip->stackstack->current == 0) {
< 1406578269 583731 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :					ip_reverse(ip);
< 1406578269 583821 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :				} else {
< 1406578269 583912 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :					funge_cell count;
< 1406578270 590961 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :					count = stack_pop(ip->stack);
< 1406578274 438096 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :					stackstack_transfer(count,
< 1406578276 424687 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :					                    ip->stackstack->stacks[ip->stackstack->current],
< 1406578278 478764 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :					                    ip->stackstack->stacks[ip->stackstack->current - 1]);
< 1406578280 448676 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :				}
< 1406578282 433905 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :				break;
< 1406578294 993873 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what I do
< 1406578322 668341 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that help at all?
< 1406578328 795625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure you can say as a hard-and-fast rule that reflecting on a form feed is against the spec.
< 1406578338 216284 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :my code is in python
< 1406578346 16880 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I remember arguing with Deewiant about that ages ago
< 1406578350 619801 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll paste it here though
< 1406578361 508273 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That or use a pastebin if it is long
< 1406578375 254349 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elif char == 'u':
< 1406578379 960621 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if len(stackstack) > 1:
< 1406578385 928575 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = pop()
< 1406578386 119056 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, iirc since \n is ignored in unefunge FF should be ignored in befunge (and unefunge)
< 1406578391 868782 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a > 0:
< 1406578397 74508 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :for i in range(a):
< 1406578402 795273 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :push(stackstack[-2].pop() if stackstack[-2] != [] else 0)
< 1406578408 335781 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elif a < 0:
< 1406578414 924599 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :for i in range(abs(a)):
< 1406578421 373090 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :stackstack[-2].append(pop())
< 1406578423 316126 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastebin, I can't read that without indentation :P
< 1406578429 359714 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
< 1406578432 588505 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I guess that's reasonable, but it's not explicitly said.
< 1406578446 465963 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right. I do not remember the details. Search the logs?
< 1406578473 964754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I care that much, since it is quite reasonable.
< 1406578488 77936 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/517546/
< 1406578505 834564 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1406578513 101933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the part about ignoring end-of-life markers in Unefunge is explicit.
< 1406578525 503262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The part about generalizing that to form feed is not.)
< 1406578536 257216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :End-of-line.
< 1406578560 106141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to see any end-of-life markers in my source code.
< 1406578568 596763 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul, and it said what didn't work?
< 1406578574 467247 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero count
< 1406578578 239404 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it said it did something
< 1406578581 808275 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1406578585 454136 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also said "Can't test negative count"
< 1406578591 413259 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul, zero count or zero stack stacks?
< 1406578599 525773 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :count
< 1406578613 985680 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also that u with positive count transfers incorrectly
< 1406578623 101768 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: u reflects when stack stack has only one stack
< 1406578623 292427 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: u with zero count does nothing
< 1406578623 292577 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: u with a positive count transfers cells correctly
< 1406578623 292723 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: u with a negative count transfers cells correctly
< 1406578628 523897 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is what cfunge prints
< 1406578636 583520 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1406578652 449271 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: u reflects when stack stack has only one stack BAD: u with zero count does something BAD: u with a positive count transfers cells incorrectly Can't test negative. WARNING: attempted recovery of stack stack, situation may be corrupt
< 1406578721 245572 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also, with y, it says that stack sizes are '[ 2463]'. Is that right?
< 1406578730 704544 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not?
< 1406578751 268473 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul, what might happen is that some other instruction used in that test has a bug and then mycology detects that the stack stack isn't correct
< 1406578760 754931 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only as a result of something else going wrong
< 1406578764 896506 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That happened a few times to me
< 1406578771 852125 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is indeed a pain to debug
< 1406578787 443019 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :only three other BADs before that:
< 1406578789 640729 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: 101-{} doesn't leave stack top as 0 and next as 1 BAD: fedcba0{05-} doesn't leave 15 on stack
< 1406578790 682498 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1406578795 724121 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: 'vs^ goes down
< 1406578813 676832 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406578814 208012 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should fix the first bad first, since mycology tries to test each instruction before it uses it for other tests
< 1406578814 406593 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :should 's' skip over the next instruction?
< 1406578834 530232 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lets see
< 1406578846 438135 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :			case 's':
< 1406578846 630389 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :				ip_forward(ip);
< 1406578846 630540 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :				fungespace_set(stack_pop(ip->stack), &ip->position);
< 1406578846 630629 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :				break;
< 1406578847 735933 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1406578853 658452 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1406578858 960622 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have read right over that
< 1406578895 158699 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well what I do is step forward, set the value to the current position, and then the automatic step at the end happens
< 1406578903 584384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if your s does not skip, you'd expect 'vs^ to go up and not down.
< 1406578919 308063 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, depends on the direction it is going
< 1406578947 335844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if it's coming from the left, it'd go up in all cases.
< 1406578951 881725 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1406578953 8166 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay I fixed the "s" BAD
< 1406578953 238694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, right.
< 1406578972 440695 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it skips right over the ^
< 1406578985 964958 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is just incorrectly worded then?
< 1406578992 856561 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the 101-{} thing?
< 1406578999 908534 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea, honestly
< 1406579002 430390 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should definitely fix that before trying to fix u
< 1406579009 229794 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is probably what messes up u
< 1406579018 917086 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll paste my "{" and "}" code
< 1406579028 555407 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing  101-{} error ages ago too
< 1406579054 58337 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/g8vOrj4CJGQvtVl66OS9/
< 1406579071 591561 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul, there is a section in the mycology readme.txt on 101-{} failures
< 1406579078 304438 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you checked that?
< 1406579081 651899 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1406579098 980727 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :May be worth a try
< 1406579174 10018 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume there is some debugger for python you can check what is going on internally with?
< 1406579195 564945 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I know of, honestly
< 1406579227 385753 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used the pycharm IDE, but I haven't really used the debugger it has
< 1406579240 961842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: You don't seem to be pushing the storeoffset on the SOSS if the count is negative.
< 1406579255 700693 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1406579258 246905 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's bad
< 1406579271 815169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Lines 8-9 of your paste are only executed if a > 0.)
< 1406579294 287040 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay fixed that
< 1406579297 953118 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was pretty bad
< 1406579309 504618 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I pushed the zeroes onto the TOSS fsr
< 1406579318 907871 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is my stack stack code. Since it is C it is 90% memory management though. http://sprunge.us/dUFe
< 1406579337 626129 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is quite a complicated area of cfunge
< 1406579346 355417 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably only beaten by the funge-space code really
< 1406579351 932330 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay well 101-{} is fixed
< 1406579358 634268 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: fedcba0{05-} doesn't leave 15 on stack
< 1406579362 384228 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is still there
< 1406579368 955579 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme check my "}" code
< 1406579438 983393 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1406579453 216981 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seems to be nothing wrong with my "}" code for negative values
< 1406579460 429472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot never has a stack stack larger than one stack during its execution.
< 1406579460 727895 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the jungle? where is syntax the user can, in fact, let me know
< 1406579461 171525 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should work correctly
< 1406579470 372663 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul, Check the { code?
< 1406579489 48649 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that the stack before the } is correct
< 1406579490 653138 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1406579493 60665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also run a simple  fedcba0{05-}.@  manually.
< 1406579493 960174 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :facepalms
< 1406579500 274875 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh?
< 1406579524 434326 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the { doesn't push the storage offset with 0 count
< 1406579544 400767 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote that code
< 1406579564 19875 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know stack-stack is probably more annoying than funge-space even. The funge-space code is mostly just a lot of stuff. Stack-stack is way more complicated per line if that makes any sense
< 1406579623 296098 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, fixing the storage offset problem seems to have fixed everything with {, } and u
< 1406579647 671566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found stack-stack quite easy to implement.
< 1406579676 273198 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: 0y pushes wrong stack size
< 1406579678 525784 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-oh
< 1406579683 568607 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's bad
< 1406579688 430020 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul, not surprising. With mycology always fix the first problem first. Since other errors later might be bogus after the first one.
< 1406579698 307369 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the readme even said so?
< 1406579725 175451 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it doesn't
< 1406579747 634425 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so erm, y seems to be a bit insane on my interpreter
< 1406579766 12720 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul, y is pretty insane overall :P
< 1406579780 557389 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/hJN9ISyljyNAngWufR5w/
< 1406579791 944825 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1406579838 721237 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the handprint thing matter?
< 1406579842 785755 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul, here is my y-implementation. It is somewhat optimised so it is hard to follow. https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~anmaster/cfunge/trunk/view/head:/src/instructions/sysinfo.c
< 1406579850 664570 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I just used an arbitrary number
< 1406579860 941289 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul, it is the name of the interpreter. It is just a number
< 1406579872 589711 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But generally it is interpreted as 4 letters
< 1406579884 372817 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1406579903 978967 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway, the handprint used is 29358
< 1406579910 523423 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :because well it's arbitrary :P
< 1406579974 435581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tempstackstack = stackstack" doesn't sound like something that'd actually make any sort of copy.
< 1406579985 214143 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1406579987 325146 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :god dammit
< 1406579993 707530 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :me and my carelessness
< 1406580017 644716 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then, tempstackstack = list(stackstack) does make a copy
< 1406580044 848683 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure
< 1406580049 93740 :hektor!972a384d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.42.56.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also use stackstack[:] to make a copy I think
< 1406580049 713505 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaand it doesn't fix it
< 1406580051 810132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A copy of the list of stacks, sure; but not a copy of the individual topmost stack.
< 1406580068 231111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :could that #ifdef __WIN32__ be more ideological? :)
< 1406580069 458688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your 'push' will still affect the topmost stack in both copies, I assume.
< 1406580084 489447 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never thought of that
< 1406580085 217485 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1406580124 702361 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul, here is my y output (plus a few lines after) http://sprunge.us/TAAT
< 1406580144 38256 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] is stuff I cut obviously
< 1406580167 192351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd probably just collect all the things that will be pushed into a separate [], if not trying to optimize.)
< 1406580167 786371 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright then, "tempstackstack = [list(i) for i in stackstack] ought to work
< 1406580168 989557 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :My handpring 1128682830 is CFUN
< 1406580204 372630 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : "tempstackstack = stackstack" doesn't sound like something that'd actually make any sort of copy. <-- it doesn't probably in python
< 1406580210 537097 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use copy.deepcopy iirc
< 1406580220 993301 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses the same mechanism as pickle internally
< 1406580240 392679 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I gtg
< 1406580243 963389 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya
< 1406580246 103849 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: #ifdef __WIN32__ (void)sizeof(char[-1])
< 1406580247 456338 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya
< 1406580344 560849 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :<@elliott> could that #ifdef __WIN32__ be more ideological? :) <-- Maybe? Not sure
< 1406580380 928740 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it could be better worded, maybe "windows=not supported" or something like that
< 1406580399 147869 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406580407 858448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: what.
< 1406580408 755682 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright
< 1406580411 968232 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does work on cygwin though
< 1406580414 948080 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm mobile
< 1406580446 594777 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what does Mycology test after form feed behaviour?
< 1406580447 956551 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: some things do that as compile time assert failure, i guess
< 1406580478 501969 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might have got it a bit wrong since i'm not good at C/programming in general
< 1406580483 923628 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: null byte in string and zero compare as equal
< 1406580484 113766 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: ' followed by a byte greater than 127 works
< 1406580484 113918 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: form feed does not appear to exist in Funge-Space
< 1406580484 114008 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: y reports shrunk bounds correctly after spacing top-left corner
< 1406580484 114097 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: y reports shrunk bounds correctly after spacing right edge
< 1406580485 102548 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: y reports shrunk bounds correctly after spacing bottom edge
< 1406580487 55484 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile, that ^
< 1406580522 171274 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile, but again, you need to fix the first error first
< 1406580527 290152 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you get bogus results
< 1406580530 523463 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright so my interpreter doesn't shrink the bounds currently.
< 1406580553 549471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: You got it right, and it's done in e.g. the Linux kernel.
< 1406580555 900095 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile, that is probably less of an issue, as long as it just goes on after. If it gets stuck, that is an issue though
< 1406580561 398083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define BUILD_BUG_ON(condition) ((void)sizeof(char[1 - 2*!!(condition)]))
< 1406580567 475094 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile, Also the form feed could mess that up
< 1406580571 768577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if __OPTIMIZE__ is not set, however.
< 1406580575 434238 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile, Just make it skip the FF
< 1406580587 241095 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I will
< 1406580597 50035 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't right now
< 1406580604 937632 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1406580623 54652 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is form feed what Trefunge uses to separate 2d planes?
< 1406580629 555722 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile, correct
< 1406580639 561085 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh
< 1406580644 732352 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, y is used for picking from stack later on in the program, so you need that part of y to work at the very least
< 1406580662 93525 :hektor!972a384d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.42.56.77 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1406580673 639588 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says it doesn't but my function says it should.
< 1406580684 273278 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll look into it tomorrow
< 1406580720 828159 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile, easy to get that part of y wrong
< 1406580765 545710 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used stackstack[-1][-num] iirc
< 1406580774 813955 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which should work
< 1406580779 5854 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thimk
< 1406580782 136813 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think
< 1406580800 260291 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember python indices syntax
< 1406580823 247572 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :-num gives you the numth from the top.
< 1406580833 752952 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo[-x] is like foo[len(foo)-x], i think?
< 1406580839 894868 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1406580841 810069 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is
< 1406580854 545650 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1406580875 584064 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: funny, when i first saw that idiom it was from much less famous code and i thought it seemed terrible
< 1406580938 153462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen a couple of other static asserts.
< 1406580956 729556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course these days we all just use C11's _Static_assert keyword on our C11 implementations.
< 1406580959 998074 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the linux one seems complicated though
< 1406580968 343229 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a funny man, fizzie. fun-ny.
< 1406580970 237707 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1406580990 437424 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why 1-2* why not 0- instead
< 1406581002 595278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because 0 is dubiously legal, perhaps.
< 1406581006 592344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC extension and all that.
< 1406581018 522042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least 1 and -1 are unambiguously okay and not-okay.
< 1406581038 336204 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's gcc give for sizeof(char[0])?
< 1406581039 421237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that the kernel is shy about GCC extensions, but wherever they cribbed it from might be.
< 1406581040 545975 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1406581059 768905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: 0, I think. 
< 1406581090 176404 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense, i gues.
< 1406581091 622318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:59:50]  ,cc -Wno-pedantic size_t s = sizeof (char[0]);
< 1406581091 811618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:59:52]  fizzie: no output: s = 0 
< 1406581106 632743 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The manual mentions it's a "quirk of the original implementation".
< 1406581147 332200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC also allows an empty struct in C code, also with a size of 0.
< 1406581155 76173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C++ allows that in general, but it has a size of 1.)
< 1406581210 141504 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol awesome
< 1406581212 855187 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I seem it used as generic arguments for templates mostly, tagging I think it is called
< 1406581215 356645 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C++ that is
< 1406581256 729561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to have less uses in C, except perhaps with some sort of preprocessor (ab)use that might sometimes end up with an empty struct if, say, no features are enabled or whatnot.
< 1406581358 550967 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1406581528 814407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people should use more switch statements where the body is not a block statement.
< 1406581542 557612 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any code in particular?
< 1406581562 184300 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway you can use switch for almost anything
< 1406581570 996294 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also mix it with traditional if/else
< 1406581577 613913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any reasonable examples, I just think it looks funny.
< 1406581610 508953 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i for one only use switch for duff's device
< 1406581611 424091 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm not sure what you mean with "not a block statement"
< 1406581626 208311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Something like  switch (x) case 0: if (y) { foo(); default: bar(); }  for example.
< 1406581649 6348 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes
< 1406581735 299302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's something like  if (!x && y) { foo(); bar(); } else if (x) { bar(); }
< 1406581757 954296 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1406581794 445478 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also mix this with goto for extra fun
< 1406582121 23585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regarding Duff's device, I don't understand why it's always written http://sprunge.us/aTIH?c and not http://sprunge.us/ZMDh?c instead.
< 1406582140 673978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the former looks freakier.
< 1406582156 149081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch-do-while is some control structure, though.
< 1406582174 643840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "switch (foo) default: ;" valid??
< 1406582178 991575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I guess labels have to be within a block
< 1406582203 886908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think that's just fine.
< 1406582218 340101 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i spent like five minutes just now trying to figure out the first, so bless you and your readable insane code
< 1406582223 962590 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Topsy turvy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40220&oldid=40191 5* 03213.93.29.31 5* (+35) 10
< 1406582228 153281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: really.
< 1406582231 308305 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[00:18:51]  ,cc switch (0) default: ;
< 1406582231 497647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[00:18:53]  fizzie: Success (no output). 
< 1406582239 759997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus.
< 1406582247 508547 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell yeah.
< 1406582252 782754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch (n) foo: { case 0: ... ; ... }
< 1406582259 737464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mental parser really does not recognise that as C.
< 1406582271 698057 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine doesn't recognize duff's as C, so, hooray
< 1406582272 364476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch (x) case 1: f();  is a good automatic replacement for  if (x == 1) f();  in your codebase.
< 1406582279 945536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what about switch (n) case 0: { ...; case 1: ...; }
< 1406582281 392826 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@
< 1406582284 234870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tell me that's not valid
< 1406582311 507073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can label a block statement, yes.
< 1406582353 335632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also  switch (x) do case 0: { ...; case 1: ...; } while (z);
< 1406582380 32025 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm do we have a bot in here that can do C?
< 1406582396 610181 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("test");
< 1406582401 431231 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1406582412 108252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :% cat >test.c               
< 1406582412 298032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include 
< 1406582412 298190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(int argc, char **argv) { switch (argc) case 1: { puts("1"); case 2: puts("2"); } }
< 1406582415 118890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :% clang test.c && ./a.out && ./a.out x 
< 1406582417 615038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1
< 1406582420 97719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2
< 1406582422 612563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2
< 1406582424 881492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why haven't I seen this in obfuscated C before
< 1406582427 111201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm crying
< 1406582431 370210 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int n = 0; switch (n) case 0: { printf("0"); case 1: printf("1"); }
< 1406582433 564899 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :01
< 1406582437 257405 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int n = 1; switch (n) case 0: { printf("0"); case 1: printf("1"); }
< 1406582439 518793 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1
< 1406582440 858072 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes it is valid
< 1406582455 650875 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is terrible, but it is valid
< 1406582460 339024 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int n = 1; switch (n) case 0: printf("0"); case 1: printf("1");
< 1406582462 28186 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile.
< 1406582465 508478 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough
< 1406582480 48158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c switch (1) if (0) { case 0: puts("0"); break; case 1: puts("1"); break; }
< 1406582482 202595 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1
< 1406582484 723084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[00:22:59]  ,cc for (int i = 0, j = 0; i < 2; i++, j = 0) switch (i) do case 0: { putchar('a'); case 1: putchar('b'); } while (j++ < i);
< 1406582485 455867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus. jesus
< 1406582488 226013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[00:23:00]  fizzie: abbab 
< 1406582490 724452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best code.
< 1406582495 405625 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, didn't you know?
< 1406582496 914276 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay elliott, i'm here for you
< 1406582501 844897 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1406582505 825865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I didn't know you could do switch (...) case foo:, at least.
< 1406582521 964466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew switch and blocks were weird, but I assumed you pretty much needed a {} block after switch.
< 1406582543 580223 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think you can't start switch inside a scope that you exit before the last case though
< 1406582549 400029 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But everything else is just fine
< 1406582554 772398 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much
< 1406582558 764172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, a function body does need to be a compound statement.
< 1406582559 962349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c switch (0) if ( ({ case 0: puts("0"); 1 }) ) case 1: puts("1");
< 1406582561 455345 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile.
< 1406582564 748934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1406582567 530939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because gcc extension?
< 1406582585 378101 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sorry, what is that supposed to be?
< 1406582586 670089 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a block as an expression, huh
< 1406582593 774308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int f(int x) return x+2;  would look so modern.
< 1406582595 695616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a gcc statement-expression
< 1406582599 834759 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh okay
< 1406582601 499123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, also: horrifying
< 1406582603 745639 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :*googles*
< 1406582633 169040 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :They what? In C?!
< 1406582639 155899 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :How modern
< 1406582646 37259 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nerve
< 1406582650 17667 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed!
< 1406582660 116167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have expression statements, so why not statement expressions.
< 1406582670 695085 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :expression statements?
< 1406582673 313615 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only fair
< 1406582680 77633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most statements are expression statements.
< 1406582680 267154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :% cat >test.c                                                                                                                                                        
< 1406582680 521666 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Do you mean normal C?
< 1406582683 80067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include 
< 1406582683 281319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1406582683 780428 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1406582685 574178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(int argc, char **argv) { switch (argc) if ( ({ case 1: puts("1"); 1; }) ) case 2: puts("2"); }
< 1406582688 564242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :% clang test.c && ./a.out && ./a.out x 
< 1406582691 89313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1
< 1406582693 572707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2
< 1406582696 76607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2
< 1406582698 640986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck.
< 1406582701 78544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus. fuck
< 1406582711 982105 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1406582716 715102 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel always finds new ways to justify my move away from CS
< 1406582726 61764 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, switch is basically a slightly restricted goto then?
< 1406582736 593889 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what it seems like to me
< 1406582750 883301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you even goto the inside of a statement expression like that normally
< 1406582755 106497 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i can't read what this code is doing, at all
< 1406582756 607741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sadly, what you did is not legal, even if it does compile.
< 1406582769 837475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jumping into a statement expression with goto or using a switch statement outside the statement expression with a case or default label inside the statement expression is not permitted. Jumping into a statement expression with a computed goto (see Labels as Values) has undefined behavior. Jumping out of a statement expression is permitted, but if the statement expression is part of a larger ...
< 1406582772 135097 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that I don't know. But I meant with standard C, not GCC extensions
< 1406582775 889394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... expression then it is unspecified which other subexpressions of that expression have been evaluated except where the language definition requires certain subexpressions to be evaluated before or after the statement expression."
< 1406582792 225621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :% cat >test.c
< 1406582792 415119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include 
< 1406582792 415278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(int argc, char **argv) { goto q; if ( ({ q: 1; }) ) puts("1"); }
< 1406582792 415366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :% clang test.c && ./a.out
< 1406582793 129775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1
< 1406582795 734897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, yeah.
< 1406582806 8848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right.
< 1406582808 781044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: still.
< 1406582836 447648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps clang actually allows it? 
< 1406582839 959035 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I wonder if there is some crazy thing you can invent by mixing switch and goto
< 1406582841 290164 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1406582846 872651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I get a  "error: switch jumps into statement expression"  out of GCC for that.
< 1406582879 945515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof that clang is better.
< 1406582882 207120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the manual did make it sound like it'd be a compile-time error, except for the computed-goto case, which of course can't be.
< 1406582889 114322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (imagine being the one to write that error message)
< 1406582916 407748 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does gcc support gettext?
< 1406582926 865496 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what it would be like translating all these things
< 1406582932 896878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, gcc is localised
< 1406582934 382858 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like hell probably
< 1406582943 141108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that many error messages.
< 1406582954 352717 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1406582962 307914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :translating a large GUI application sounds scarier
< 1406582962 497235 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC_ALL doesn't localize for me
< 1406582971 920616 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I don't have Swedish installed for gcc?
< 1406582994 288718 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sure, but the terminology in something like a word processor is far easier in Swedish than it is for a compiler
< 1406583002 442524 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do I even call a statement expression in Swedish?
< 1406583082 737499 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I don't have Swedish localisation installed huh
< 1406583183 718734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian packages it as gcc-X.Y-locales.
< 1406583192 149763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have them installed, either; it's not done by default.
< 1406583224 870475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1406583229 291301 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aah
< 1406583233 390029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They haven't managed to translate "statement expression" to Finnish.
< 1406583244 34474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/KOZX
< 1406583248 987991 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :coreutils isn't translated either
< 1406583259 629757 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is strange
< 1406583265 409862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It knows how to say "virhe:" but not the actual contents.
< 1406583267 119108 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expected ls --help to be localized
< 1406583311 152368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LANGUAGE=fi ls --help" just translates the first line.
< 1406583319 861220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably removed the localisation from coreutils because of all those security bugs.
< 1406583322 650180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Usage:" one.
< 1406583339 778410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, also the descriptions for --help and --version options.
< 1406583355 103840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and some others here and there. But not all options.
< 1406583370 661294 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1406583375 613690 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :None for me
< 1406583391 534607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/CFTi  that's just ridiculous
< 1406583394 975403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you testing for it? 
< 1406583415 677538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(did anyone report that one?)
< 1406583424 456285 :nooodl!~nooodl@10.108-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1406583424 829013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :These days LC_MESSAGES/LC_ALL is overridden by LANGUAGE if set, at least.
< 1406583460 733063 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh?
< 1406583462 934370 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why
< 1406583538 972867 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I tried LANGUAGE, LC_MESSAGES and LC_ALL
< 1406583540 567130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. Perhaps because LANGUAGE can provide a priority list instead of just a single option.
< 1406583542 202875 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of them work
< 1406583543 521979 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird
< 1406583583 291305 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, good night
< 1406583626 238407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nights.
< 1406583966 343303 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1406583974 486984 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1406583999 67499 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406584065 491476 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406584083 179076 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406584083 989495 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL
< 1406584084 541265 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 282100Z 36012G17KT 12SM -RA FEW010 OVC023 17/15 A2961 RMK SF1SC8 SF TR SLP027 DENSITY ALT 600FT
< 1406584102 186466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK
< 1406584102 709718 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 282120Z 21007KT CAVOK 24/20 Q1012 NOSIG
< 1406584107 673468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is ridiculous.
< 1406584118 492199 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nosig...nal?
< 1406584118 870736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is +28.9°C inside here.
< 1406584123 865366 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KATL
< 1406584124 314645 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KATL 282052Z 30018G25KT 10SM FEW070 SCT200 31/16 A2991 RMK AO2 SLP116 CB DSNT E-SE-S-SW T03110156 57009
< 1406584127 13565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: nosig-nificant.
< 1406584131 717933 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1406584149 59028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Changes, expected.)
< 1406584150 827297 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: jealous
< 1406584303 447869 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what the fungot are you doing over there with a nice 31 outside you AAAAAAAAAARGH!
< 1406584303 776520 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and i got the patches but haven't yet used java 1.5/ 5.0, there are no loops, the fnord might want to compile
< 1406584321 123443 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws a fnord
< 1406584330 301638 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: slowly roasting alive
< 1406584537 314266 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: has the heat gotten to you yet?
< 1406584537 713354 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes, so i suppose not.... that'd just call lynx ( or whatever that small picture is called that appears in the source code
< 1406584555 151867 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^styles
< 1406584559 684953 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1406584559 874419 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1406584575 671692 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"
< 1406585239 417399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406585386 214157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, does the topic mean fungot also hates ops?  elliott, you should be careful.
< 1406585386 403959 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: " jython" at
< 1406585407 634652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does ampersand have to do with ops?
< 1406585470 166770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1406585486 740573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, my brain apparently cannot distinguish @ and & today
< 1406585493 763614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1406585510 193708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :&messages-
< 1406585514 684699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY NO WORK
< 1406585519 352308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages-
< 1406585519 647391 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 11h 25m 50s ago: it sounds like a wonderful source of pain. I'll have to try to write something in it.
< 1406585519 841667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 11h 25m 12s ago:  `delquote 141 ← would you like me to unmangle the PDF too?
< 1406585520 31096 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 11h 22m 24s ago: re. fueue: uhm. well. uuuuh... some other day perhaps. ow.
< 1406585525 986952 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no at, no work
< 1406585539 599433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: sounds plausible
< 1406585548 478273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: *MWAHAHAHA*
< 1406585566 228840 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406585631 106872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always get such a profound sense of how unfunny we are when reading wisdom.pdf.
< 1406585637 620905 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was quote 141, btw?
< 1406585667 724546 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mom thinks i'm funny, elliott.
< 1406585670 819810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's ok, ais523 balances it out by nearly dying of laughter
< 1406585685 515599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bc
< 1406585686 660314 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bc ௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵
< 1406585693 697883 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1406585695 362384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ?
< 1406585738 245621 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ada tasks remind me of actors, although there's something a bit off about them (in particular, is it possible to abstract out accepts behind procedures?)
< 1406585738 436062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: haven't you seen ais523's messages about how he cannot read too many quotes at a time?
< 1406585745 609821 :SgeoWeb!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406585747 18035 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my computer is slow to send, of course. I made that Ada statement before seeing anything about wisdom.pdf
< 1406585750 572452 :SgeoWeb!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1406585762 255168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I admit I honestly cannot comprehend the idea of someone who finds the qdb that funny.
< 1406585801 354935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? diet
< 1406585802 46221 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People go on diets to loose weight instead of gaining. It gives them a consistant diet.
< 1406585806 997659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of these are truly baffling.
< 1406585861 58044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll agree on that one.
< 1406585885 987729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps there's a pun in there somewhere
< 1406585895 190429 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is content in the PDF. that I can ascertain.
< 1406585895 379772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1406585911 836144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the point is all the misspellings, somehow
< 1406585926 43504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's only two misspellings.
< 1406585963 135126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? godot
< 1406585963 862638 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cf. elliott
< 1406585964 902002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, maybe the second diet is a misspelling for something that actually makes sense there
< 1406585991 200493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to understand this entry. (yes, I know the play.)
< 1406585993 301396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose some of those only made sense in long lost context.
< 1406586010 625887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe it was added during one of your long absenses
< 1406586015 736061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*c
< 1406586029 623512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elliott
< 1406586030 348842 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wrote this learn DB, and wrote or improved many of the other commands in this bot. He probably has done other things? He is also tire. And a lystrosaur.
< 1406586047 806081 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i remember the lystrosaur one. because lystrosaurs are great.
< 1406586100 259813 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's gibberish without context though.
< 1406586152 545324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lystrosaur
< 1406586153 269331 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lystrosaurs were an ancient genus of evil reptiles who successfully took over the world in the early Triassic.
< 1406586197 251755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly the truest entry in the wisdom.
< 1406586250 517407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I just delete the learndb?
< 1406586257 449807 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :psh, if you're a moral realism
< 1406586263 649948 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :realist
< 1406586277 786350 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wrote this learn DB, and then destr
< 1406586342 777775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do you have against lystrosaurs
< 1406586357 264427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have low self-esteem.
< 1406586366 505434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i wonder if you've grown up too much lately
< 1406586380 152471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was always grumpy and cynical!
< 1406586395 16862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true
< 1406586402 313504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably less grumpy and cynical now than I was, like, three years ago. it's just I haven't eaten enough today.
< 1406586417 125742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :food, our eternal nemesis
< 1406586419 842226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I still think the learndb sucks.)
< 1406586451 458052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's featured misreading: "I was always grumpy and cylindrical!"
< 1406586524 223827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? M–rdalsjökull
< 1406586525 281885 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M–rdalsjökull is a draconic volcano harbouring the secret KATL base.
< 1406586614 535733 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1406586677 909331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember the volcano, but not why that was added with html entities
< 1406586700 901870 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :context is probably the most volatile substance in the universe.
< 1406586728 80604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why an –
< 1406586784 283583 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs
< 1406586789 609878 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most volatile compound in the universe is C2N14, hth.
< 1406586840 253732 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-diazidocarbamoyl-5-azidotetrazole, woo yea
< 1406586903 716337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: hm, regarding unmangling, i guess we haven't deleted many quotes since you started the pdf?  it used to be a semi-regular event.
< 1406586935 185589 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1406586972 85734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a result, there are far more new than old quotes, i think
< 1406587012 740697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could always start again.
< 1406587017 875459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's lots of ones that deserve deleting. :p
< 1406587034 267305 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you have full commit access rights to the repo. please yourself!
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< 1406587041 342265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant in HackEgo.
< 1406587042 799704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we had one yesterday, which is why boily asked
< 1406587045 586973 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: be careful to mention that only in approperiate contexts. people might hear it and run for their lives thinking there's some danger.
< 1406587047 117281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not touching wisdom.pdf.
< 1406587052 142624 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey
< 1406587062 258412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1406587069 200436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiesoul
< 1406587072 789481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj
< 1406587073 582224 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj is the reason why the USA don't use the metric system.
< 1406587087 255511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, I don't know what goes through your mind when you decide to add this.
< 1406587098 519749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt that was my mind
< 1406587108 863046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i did the lystrosaur one, i'm pretty sure)
< 1406587162 185514 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that one isn't from me. or if it is, I deny any responsibility.
< 1406587189 323578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the repository should allow that to be checked easily
< 1406587192 353511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sgeolang
< 1406587193 325820 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeolang currently is either J or Io.
< 1406587196 764502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is, like, years out of date.
< 1406587227 97832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is sgeolang today?  i think he said something about ruby recently
< 1406587234 363167 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/PHP_CEO
< 1406587250 6859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be cool if Sgeo started speaking in different natural languages every month.
< 1406587251 291793 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what is the context for the draconic volcanno
< 1406587263 377389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an alternate universe in which this is a conlangs channel and that happens.
< 1406587294 541657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1406587295 998375 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I have no fungotting clue about that one. let me grep through the logs...
< 1406587296 236319 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i was only so excited to see you too, and it
< 1406587306 622908 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can that alternate universe be this one?
< 1406587311 459882 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I remember last time you were excited to see me.
< 1406587311 679555 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ( not something)...) it can always be reverted."?
< 1406587316 849661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: with enough engineering.
< 1406587322 90341 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sufff' saô nia pinta&n
< 1406587323 617564 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one language a month sounds pretty fast, you'd need mechanical help
< 1406587411 220793 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 2014-02-13 19:07:36     metasepia       an active volcano in southern Iceland, with an elevation of 970 m, covered by the southeastern part of the M–rdalsjökull Glacier.
< 1406587424 745755 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still, it doesn't answer why the ndash.)
< 1406587458 548413 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or why it became draconic
< 1406587470 685665 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how KATL got translated to iceland
< 1406587490 410681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE WHERE SGEO DOES NATLANGS INSTEAD OF PROGLANGS:  Jeg vet ikke om norsk er noe for meg, i vs. på for stedsnavn virker veldig kronglete.
< 1406587492 37353 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1213) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE WHERE SGEO DOES NATLANGS INSTEAD OF PROGLANGS:  Jeg vet ikke om norsk er noe for meg, i vs. på for stedsnavn virker veldig kronglete.
< 1406587518 489527 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here we go...
< 1406587525 986369 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, 'natural language' means one that's actually... natural, right? if it's a conlang made to look like a natural language that's just that
< 1406587555 636300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: which is why i didn't use a conlang
< 1406587570 220615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: but sgeo talks about non-esoteri languages here
< 1406587571 922218 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1406587572 510894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*esoteric
< 1406587576 378431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they'd be natural languages.
< 1406587578 154283 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it clearly says "norsk"
< 1406587581 216269 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmon
< 1406587591 327587 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people make conlangs that have cognates with real languages!
< 1406587615 42100 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :google knows the difference
< 1406587741 414293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: KATL is presumably iceland because of Katla
< 1406587760 140384 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok
< 1406587773 724968 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the learndb is esoteric jokes
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< 1406587914 823086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is J_Arcane idle or not
< 1406588001 588325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: are you there
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< 1406588437 521606 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nest14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40221&oldid=40212 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+148) 10I disapprove of removing dead links without notice. Also we generally don't use level 1 sections here. And remove extra spacing.
< 1406589074 649003 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Logique14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40222&oldid=40218 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+89) 10formatting
< 1406589411 535666 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how many pages in the wiki starts with "... is an esoteric programming language"
< 1406589434 664347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot.
< 1406589553 146361 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is an esoteric programming language when preceded by its quotation
< 1406589614 37523 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's make stats
< 1406589631 668246 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many percent of pages
< 1406589769 521074 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking about it, thaz sounds terrible
< 1406589784 144918 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you say that?
< 1406589793 923044 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what percentage"?
< 1406589804 339887 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fraction
< 1406589820 321046 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kinda makes sence
< 1406589855 625461 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd think of a set rather than a number on this one, though
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< 1406590217 572830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/ThdK <- crude approximation
< 1406590256 497495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It looks at all revisions, so some appear several times, if the matching part has been edited.)
< 1406590308 964584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also an old XML dump I had around, since the mysqldump is harder to Perl-oneline for.)
< 1406590380 368329 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's less than expected
< 1406590457 88110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's missing all pages that link [[esoteric programming language]]. Let's strip those.
< 1406590544 652095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/fgHK that's quite a bit more
< 1406591137 227004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah hit my laptop's go-to-sleep button by accident
< 1406591163 367623 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406591241 112633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't IE offering to reopen my tabs :(
< 1406591315 830680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh f it killed the touchpad driver, i have to actually let the reboot finish
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< 1406591467 573624 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the best natural language to describe a new conlang in?
< 1406591482 557722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Sgeo.
< 1406591584 176610 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: takk
< 1406591627 180678 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently Google Translate can't translate thank you???)
< 1406591632 262358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :( )
< 1406591632 452752 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:1: error: no implicit
< 1406591632 452867 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    arguments allowed
< 1406591632 452938 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    here, expected: ":",
< 1406591632 452997 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    dependent type signature,
< 1406591632 453056 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    end of input14↵…
< 1406591637 619330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, idris-bot
< 1406591651 147041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ruined it
< 1406591793 445025 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :FLAK
< 1406591823 485271 :FLAK!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :TieSoul-mobile
< 1406591894 785002 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey that was for another channel and unrelated to this
< 1406591898 649864 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kbye
< 1406591979 250166 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Bye
< 1406592032 581220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the translation is correct we have no use for a pesky pronoun hth
< 1406592112 330117 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1406592181 164505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he gave us flak, then left
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< 1406595428 587886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this will be officially the hottest registered july in trondheim and most of trøndelag ever.
< 1406595533 950009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :beating the old 1901 records, or thereabouts
< 1406595958 172603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how hot is that
< 1406595983 80790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :today in palo alto: 37°
< 1406596054 527280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the overall _average_ looks to be 19.0°, i assume that includes night
< 1406596067 832201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the tops are somewhere in the 30-32 range
< 1406596100 907388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe 37° has never been measured in norway ever
< 1406596279 449094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry
< 1406596301 284000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in about a billion years the average temperature on earth will be 47°, says wikipedia
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< 1406597686 272289 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you're in palo alto?
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< 1406597832 839024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: At the moment I'm in Mountain View.
< 1406597902 344806 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-127-226-72.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406597918 689531 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: work?
< 1406597949 91917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1406597968 669902 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :visiting?
< 1406598068 323122 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-127-226-72.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
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< 1406598871 957814 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :37 degrees just a couple days ago here. :(
< 1406598878 461314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looj quintopia
< 1406598887 475037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the next town over
< 1406598896 273807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i need an excuse to be here
< 1406598917 822490 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh i took your comment to mean "at the moment i'm in the bay area but normally i'm not in CA"
< 1406599258 896469 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406599601 149076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you make a square wave with adjustable period using external clock with a 74xx series IC?
< 1406599674 636521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud
< 1406599675 205540 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan asked 1d 2h 57m 59s ago: You added [[Uncontrollable]] to the Joke Language List, but there is no such article. Do you have a link or description?
< 1406599697 386779 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I saw it mentioned in some Japanese documentation.
< 1406599829 35913 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: just counting number of times clock pin goes high and flipping the output pin every n times isn't it?
< 1406599835 279690 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406599912 741688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes that is what I want; which 74xx series to use?
< 1406600034 984888 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :iunno? there's too many. maybe 744059?
< 1406600097 425173 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that pulses. might need to add a latch after it
< 1406602896 913054 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:e406:39a0:767e:e863 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1406607162 912116 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re. the form feed stuff, it was probably made a binary good/bad test (instead of an undef) because form feeds change the resulting funge-space so much that it'd be practically impossible for Befunge programs to handle multiple different implementations of them
< 1406607261 342636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could bootstrap something that rewrites fungespace to undo all the damage and then jump back? :p
< 1406607413 230001 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then form feeds would no longer make the code more difficult to write by messing up the X offset of the following line and the Y offsets of all the remaining lines :-P
< 1406607577 436106 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another reason might be that I've generally gone with the philosophy that if an instruction might either always reflect or do something even slightly more interesting, prefer the latter behaviour
< 1406607609 785315 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For form feed those are pretty much the only two reasonable options
< 1406608057 194430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I think it should feed a form asking what it should do to the nearest available printer.
< 1406608066 450060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you scan it back in and it does that.
< 1406608080 461634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're using the interpreter over a network it faxes it to you.
< 1406608111 168667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: did mushspace ever happen?
< 1406608349 329415 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the slow process of happening
< 1406608397 215517 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushspace?
< 1406608440 439180 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 1988 paper on my desk that I need to understand and implement but I haven't taken the time to do so yet
< 1406608450 597080 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 26 years old, it can wait a little longer
< 1406608454 480749 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhoo, got to go now -->
< 1406608624 106532 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo come back
< 1406608901 112571 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You rang?
< 1406608927 216384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: am i correct that Violet is your creation?
< 1406608933 837000 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1406608969 39199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because as i mentioned on the talk page, there might be licensing problems between the github and the wiki if you weren't.
< 1406608994 656162 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh.
< 1406609041 381948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well all should be fine then.
< 1406609094 992331 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:VIOLET14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40223&oldid=40207 5* 03JArcane 5* (+118) 10
< 1406609181 657485 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I debated putting a callout to the joke to make things clearer.
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< 1406609234 33075 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, I really need to add the license to the docs pages if I'm going to be linking them directly)
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< 1406612943 197428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also 37.2 °C is the all-time record temperature in Finland (actually measured exactly four years ago today).
< 1406612962 174796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the all-time lowest is -51.5 °C in 1999.)
< 1406613318 629501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: As long as those weren't on the same day
< 1406613344 923854 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the not entirely possible case"
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< 1406613923 25588 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1406615142 677769 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@message Sgeo Figure out how list and continuation is actually working here http://www.valuedlessons.com/2008/01/monads-in-python-with-nice-syntax.html
< 1406615142 867392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: messages messages-loud messages?
< 1406615150 308729 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo Figure out how list and continuation is actually working here http://www.valuedlessons.com/2008/01/monads-in-python-with-nice-syntax.html
< 1406615150 534429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell yourself!
< 1406615153 103140 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah
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< 1406616438 979493 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I live there. Believe me when I say I did not expect this kind of heat when I moved to Finland ...
< 1406616483 866630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not *more* finns in here
< 1406616507 98912 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't escape Finns on IRC, they invented the place. ;)
< 1406616675 783690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should read _Impro: Improvisation and the Theatre_.
< 1406616683 235829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1406616841 369160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well.
< 1406618401 886005 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a particularly deep reason that multiplication having higher precedence than addition seems to be the most convenient order? Not just habit, I think, it's in other places: data A = Foo Int Int | Bar String String, same as Int * Int + String * String, and && tends to have higher precedence than || in various languages
< 1406618439 740946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is convenient for mathematics, I think.
< 1406618449 688595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2a + 4b
< 1406618521 899753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :While your example of "data A = Foo Int Int | Bar String String" shows one reason it can be convenient for mathematics (even though this includes no addition or multiplication, it still shows it by how you did). Things like "2a + 4b" of course show it too.
< 1406618658 343011 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Whetstone of Witte, whiche is the seconde parte of Arithmeteke: containing the extraction of rootes; the cossike practise, with the rule of equation; and the workes of Surde Nombers
< 1406618773 683529 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike = Bicycle
< 1406618782 682919 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa dude.
< 1406618801 101202 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or better yet, Bike ===== Bicycle
< 1406618863 429369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1406618896 287878 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Whetstone_of_Witte
< 1406618920 508224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that -- yeah but --
< 1406618989 367477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenzizenzizenzic
< 1406618995 946196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wrote that it "doeth represent the square of squares squaredly".
< 1406619040 351048 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a nice title really
< 1406619042 104085 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good metaphor
< 1406619069 605278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Zenzizenzizenzizenzike or Square of Squares Squaredly Squared
< 1406619083 103155 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that
< 1406619141 58175 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no particularly deep reason, it's just a stupid tradition we're trying to change since Iverson, but it's hard to change because our prophets K&R had given their blessing on it and they're influential
< 1406619164 309678 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so eventually we just say that the C-like convention and the Iverson-like linear expressions are two different syntax
< 1406619185 80634 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we let people choose to their taste
< 1406619197 543623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiplication having higher precedence than addition is pretty reasonable...
< 1406619200 106342 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and depending on the particular purpose
< 1406619203 741488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you accept any precedence at all
< 1406619208 404369 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, of course
< 1406619226 271363 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering that && = * and || = + I don't think the C ways are coincidence. Unless C violates my expectations
< 1406619255 518225 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: C does violate expectations in that & has lower precedence than ==, but it's a historical mistake we can't correct now
< 1406619273 561437 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be worse to change it now, so we just deal with it and use extra parenthesis
< 1406619315 779036 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of the C precedence table is good of course
< 1406619402 779000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the precedence you want for & as a bitwise op
< 1406619417 202871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mistake was them wanting to pun the bitwise ops in that way :p
< 1406619478 661795 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hysterical mistakes do not die
< 1406619495 323062 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now if you want to avoid confusion (not always the case in esolangs), you make your syntax and precedence and associativity similar to either C or APL, thus helping people reading and writing code
< 1406619543 358726 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or to forth, that's the third choice I guess)
< 1406619623 329496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or lisp.
< 1406619662 519090 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I turnip who I turnip, and I radish who I radish. I haven't potated a man unless I'd potatoed him. I have never been known to carrot a woman, unless she was carrotted by me. I beet who I beet, but most of all, I yam who I yam.
< 1406619685 413374 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :parenthesis: the great equalizer
< 1406619694 276187 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: I thought that was \sim
< 1406619727 742501 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does Ada's associativity for and and or count as?
< 1406619739 55650 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Parentheses required. Not really similar to C or APL or Forth afaik)
< 1406619758 965667 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: non-associative with respect to each other
< 1406619768 998338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: dijkstrean.
< 1406619815 394286 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can be expected when you associate indiscriminantly
< 1406619866 615485 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, C, python, javascript, SQL, Haskell, and even arithmetic in prolog use arithmetic notation similar to C. Forth and postscript use arithmetic notation similar to Forth. 
< 1406619906 413719 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah the SWI-Prolog site looks different
< 1406619906 714276 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell has /= and `shiftL`... blasphemy!
< 1406619926 603982 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk is strange, its syntax precedence rules aren't similar to either APL or C.
< 1406619935 933032 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: so? prolog has \= and =<
< 1406619950 576703 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also =\=
< 1406619954 179255 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how can you lump themin with C?
< 1406619963 874399 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really C-like but their precedence is still C-like
< 1406619969 579137 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought APL precedence was right-to-left? Smalltalk is left-to-right for binary operators, so I'd call that similar
< 1406619973 272886 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :comparedtothe c/perl/javascript/java/python monoculture
< 1406619974 971020 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or am I assuming that APL is like J?
< 1406619977 282268 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :* then + then == then &&
< 1406619980 370876 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lump theremin
< 1406620002 351766 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real math question is, what branch cuts do you use
< 1406620015 68901 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres really not much diversity in computer languages
< 1406620021 498035 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again they've only been around for half a century
< 1406620025 703639 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm not quite sure how smalltalk work, but I think it has named messages having higher precedence than symbol, similar to Haskell, or something
< 1406620031 494107 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: frankly, I don't know how it works
< 1406620037 309931 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think it's like APL
< 1406620072 612479 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I constrained my statement to binary operators. Named messages with one argument (self) have higher precedence. Messages with several have lowest precedence
< 1406620088 327604 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: smalltalk is one of those old languages like BASIC or MIX assembler that were invented before C and APL got very popular
< 1406620093 434650 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ok, maybe my use of 'argument' is confusing)
< 1406620111 60750 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. MIXAL has everything parenthisized right to left, the opposite way from APL
< 1406620148 754799 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "Named messages with one argument have higher precedence. Messages with several have lowest precedence" ok
< 1406620319 555835 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the record, BASIC has precedence rules that are very similar to C but not quite the same:
< 1406620368 275269 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, in BASIC, - has a higher precedence than +, and / has a higher precedence than *, so X*Y/Z is parenthisized as X*(Y/Z) in BASIC,
< 1406620408 56538 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas Pascal has less usual rules, with AND (bitwise operator) having the same precedence as *
< 1406620428 405596 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of these probably have these because they were invented before C got so popular
< 1406620589 78798 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: as for smalltalk, I think unary operators having a higher precedence than binary ones is enough to make me say that Smalltalk arithmetic syntax is not similar to APL
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< 1406626934 348104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&page_0=11   it's like a wall of thunder
< 1406627501 191963 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys. If the y instruction gets a value higher than the length of the stack, does it return 0 or the bottom value of the stack?
< 1406627506 53906 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :in befunge
< 1406627986 195010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most natural would be for it to pick a 0 if you ask it to pick something "under the bottom", so to say.
< 1406627991 586441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's just an opinion.
< 1406628021 119678 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think so too
< 1406628026 883796 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's undefined behaviour?
< 1406628044 840800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the view that the empty-stack-pops-a-0 is conceptually as if there were an infinite amount of zeros on each stack.
< 1406628057 431352 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I don't remember seeing it in the spec
< 1406628121 380156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not seem to be explicitly specified, no.
< 1406628957 45149 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I run befunge code within this chat?
< 1406628977 239696 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :-98
< 1406629178 308393 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge-98 a5.,@
< 1406629186 400031 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 a5.,@
< 1406629188 108713 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :5
< 1406629237 611265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't think you need the newline here,
< 1406629518 148784 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you run befunge code with multiple lines?
< 1406629848 28442 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 9876543210yf8+y2+y.@
< 1406629848 530938 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1406629851 77085 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1406629870 487098 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1406629935 652631 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 9876543210yf8+y2+02pn02gy.@
< 1406629936 38779 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1406629939 218079 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1406629940 602574 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit
< 1406629957 275043 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 0yf8+y2+02pn98765432102gy.@
< 1406629958 150712 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :8
< 1406629975 967992 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was unexpected
< 1406630145 357468 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it'd output 2
< 1406630314 493852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did I, in fact.
< 1406630440 719287 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is pretty bizarre
< 1406630442 349100 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1406630451 782572 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it output 2
< 1406630453 783501 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :8
< 1406630457 766009 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1406630519 188657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 0yf8+y2+02pn987654321 02gy. 02g1+y. 02g1-y. @
< 1406630519 801934 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 7 9
< 1406630527 694804 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :my interpreter outputs 2
< 1406630560 984685 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's how it should behave
< 1406630571 383876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be the wrong way around, perhaps.
< 1406630587 425852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since making the number larger makes it pick a value (7) closer to top.
< 1406630701 308217 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if it's larger than the size of y, it gives you the values from the bottom of the stack?
< 1406630705 68081 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird
< 1406630787 255013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 3y :884**% \884**/:884**% \884**/:884**% \884**/ ,,,, @
< 1406630787 954083 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :CFUN
< 1406630806 215950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 4y.@
< 1406630806 864972 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :90
< 1406631012 193382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might even be a cfunge bug.
< 1406631103 128377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[if past the y-pushed stack:] stack_push(ip->stack, stack_get_index(ip->stack, request - sysinfo_tmp_stack->top)); (sysinfo.c:408) and stack_get_index *seems* to interpret 0 as the bottom of the stack, not the top.
< 1406631236 957998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal Potential cfunge bug: http://sprunge.us/IWfZ -- if my quick glance at how the stack works was right, anyway.
< 1406631237 341277 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406631323 907967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would've expected mycology to test using y for picking, however.
< 1406631354 168724 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does
< 1406631365 388285 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess that's how it's supposed to work?
< 1406631642 952514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. I mean, it's supposed to count from the top.
< 1406631691 231395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see.
< 1406631700 587453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, mycology's test is "symmetric".
< 1406631708 404433 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1406631720 360220 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't explain why it thinks that mine doesn't work
< 1406631732 731192 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :when mine says 2 with my code
< 1406631738 154419 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to work
< 1406631831 719636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal It's not picked up by mycology because that tests whether n34500g2+y picks a "4", and that's right there in the middle, same index no matter which direction it's counted.
< 1406631832 202643 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406631888 336764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try the exact sequence that mycology does, though of course it might've gotten confused by something else.
< 1406631958 869370 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I encrypt my 4 letters into a handprint? :P
< 1406631967 600095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's  ny0yaa 1++k$ 00p n34500g2+y  and then it expects the stack to be [top] 4 5 4 3 [bottom].
< 1406632021 585410 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morning
< 1406632107 865105 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm
< 1406632110 295014 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason
< 1406632120 804335 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems y puts [0 0] on the stack
< 1406632124 617384 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :before it picks
< 1406632144 361861 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my interpreter
< 1406632161 941818 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the stack is [top] 4 0 0 5 4 3 [bottom]
< 1406632197 439457 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay I forgot to increment the count somewhere
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< 1406632224 829030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't rightly know why mycology gets the offset for picking that complicatedly.
< 1406632228 395599 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright it works now
< 1406632305 70664 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright now everything in mycology works up to the shrinking bounds
< 1406632393 25931 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so erm
< 1406632418 810260 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :after it says "GOOD: form feed does not appear to exist in Funge-Space" it gets stuck in an infinite loop
< 1406632498 231726 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't figure out why
< 1406632611 207588 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything before that point's a GOOD.
< 1406632630 734791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Well, according to Vorpal, the next test is "GOOD: y reports shrunk bounds correctly after spacing top-left corner".
< 1406632666 228787 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm
< 1406632677 48092 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so something goes wrong in the loop that spaces the corner
< 1406632794 505042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "CFUN" 000p 101p 4> #; \ 01g*00g+00p 01g884***01p 1-:#;_ 00g. @
< 1406632795 213848 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1128682830
< 1406632799 963530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for the fingerprint encoding, that's one way.
< 1406632854 433507 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, I haven't decided on a name for my interpreter yet
< 1406632885 601588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print unpack('N', 'CFUN'); # or just, you know
< 1406632886 147090 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1128682830
< 1406632928 422198 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I have to decide on a name for my interpreter :P
< 1406632962 352407 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go with FWIP (Funge Work-In-Progress) for now :P
< 1406632976 69386 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print unpack('N', 'FWIP');
< 1406632976 501165 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1180125520
< 1406632986 348865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if fungot ever gets a Funge-98 interpreter (not very likely), it's going to be FNGT.
< 1406632986 660254 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: might need to modify the semantics of scheme, even from poor instructors. x_x. since you can define
< 1406633348 524205 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :BusySoul
< 1406633356 370114 :BusySoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :Tiesoul
< 1406633591 941028 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: less is more
< 1406633592 168987 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: huh?!? that sounds bad. indeed, what about
< 1406633594 911027 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406633595 929842 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: war is peace
< 1406633596 218749 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i think i wouldn't open anything official in a place where most of the textbooks were fairly standard ones. stewart for complex analysis.
< 1406633600 717085 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: freedom is slavery
< 1406633600 946025 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i didn't finish the kipple interpreter, ork can create the function yourself. :p
< 1406633670 565802 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple?
< 1406633760 953556 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ignorance is strength
< 1406633761 143134 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: on another note, i've almost got it... thanx! :) fnord je? all those are operators.
< 1406633872 342783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember Kipple.
< 1406633946 939707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't know fungot was making an interpreter.
< 1406633947 193948 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can't think of any situation where you did something like
< 1406633977 724600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Don't you be disparaging me, you piece of code.
< 1406633977 914203 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: goal is assembly in sexps
< 1406634164 381996 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406634254 440499 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1406634263 332768 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to have to run Mycology in debug mode
< 1406634268 576114 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is going to take a while :P
< 1406634272 659267 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :TieSoul
< 1406634334 841189 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you prefer languages where the side effects of evaluation of multiple arguments to a function happen in an undefined order, such as C or scheme, or languages where they happen in a well-defined order?
< 1406634335 286107 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: c99 preprocesses the same way as brainfuck, ook, spoon... http://copocoto.sdf-eu.org/ pub/ scheme-repository/ fnord/ fnord
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< 1406635069 182254 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay I can't figure out why mycology puts my into an infinite loop
< 1406635074 401974 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :me*
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< 1406637028 700535 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1406644464 670631 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v
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< 1406645372 861016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: seems like a mycology bug too
< 1406645405 595272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not a bug, just a deficiency.
< 1406645495 581990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Deewiant Mycology test for picking with y picks out the middle element of a three-element stack (4 out of 3,4,5), hence not noticing if the implementation mistakenly counts from the bottom of the stack instead of the top.
< 1406645496 151927 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406645501 33489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's note it anyhow.
< 1406645552 788462 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'oh
< 1406646032 977221 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Out of curiosity re. getting the offset complicatedly, is there a simple way?
< 1406646104 474083 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And feel free to select out of a) nickname in commit msg b) realname in commit msg c) both d) no attribution
< 1406646198 871816 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Deewiant, I'm writing a Befunge-98 interpreter, and it gets into an infinite loop when Mycology tries to space the top-left corner for a test, and I can't figure out why.
< 1406646264 421709 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what I do know is that the interpreter does not shrink the bounds, but when I fix that it slows my interpreter down immensely.)
< 1406646338 761565 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So your last GOOD output is still the form feed one?
< 1406646378 898702 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1406646402 711446 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything before that is GOOD except one instance where y reports a wrong upper bound.
< 1406646415 940728 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And presumably you don't know where you're infinite-looping? :-)
< 1406646432 858293 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1406646445 509100 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it's when Mycology tries to space the corner/
< 1406646450 146473 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know for sure
< 1406646487 361747 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would put you somewhere in here I guess:
< 1406646489 504576 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>' 0a-6738*+*p>5b*11p>11g::' \0a-p#v_v  Clear area used for 
< 1406646491 576932 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :v                   ;^        p11-1<;<                      
< 1406646493 540040 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>1-:::+\pa-:11p22p>11g::' \22gp#v_a-11p22g:2+#v_$28*:1+y\y1+
< 1406646495 567572 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  ^;#      p11+1<;       p22+1<             
< 1406646533 492098 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1406646573 549249 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the wraparound immediately after, if you report the correct least point
< 1406646586 184001 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess you don't so it's likely just one of those loops
< 1406646620 535788 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :y reports the least point p has been used on.
< 1406646683 228538 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it's probably incorrect
< 1406646689 886700 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'd suggest figuring out how far you get
< 1406646732 99523 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some simple hackery like if (x == 41 && y == 201) print("got out of first loop\n"); or whatever
< 1406646746 538286 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then narrow it down
< 1406646800 457409 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it does not get out of the first loop
< 1406646800 657371 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
< 1406646913 275136 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1406646919 156708 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets stuck inside the first loop
< 1406646925 48008 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes in then doesn't come out
< 1406646990 124738 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That loop is just a fairly simple countdown from 55, nothing too weird going on
< 1406647036 613847 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd suspect something quite fundamental like the stack or funge-space getting messed up
< 1406647069 8290 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or then an unlucky bug in ' or \ or something, but I think all the instructions in that loop have been used so much at that point that it would've shown up earlier...
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< 1406647156 57764 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1406647158 181900 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1406647159 897737 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1406647174 480916 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to get stuck before that
< 1406647184 821150 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tested the wrong coords.
< 1406647229 792439 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much to get stuck on between the form feed message printer and that loop, a bug in ; perhaps?
< 1406647246 810322 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be
< 1406647337 346628 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406647359 390293 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language are you writing your interpreter in, btw
< 1406647372 412806 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python
< 1406647385 202373 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's a bug in wrapping using ;.
< 1406647462 289798 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm, but comments currently take up ticks in my implementation and move along just like normal. (it's not concurrent don't worry I'll fix that if it gets concurrent)
< 1406647497 730745 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, PyFunge was one of the "revived to beat Mycology" interpreters, so you won't be the first
< 1406647574 184360 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I do everything in Python :P
< 1406647579 989070 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically
< 1406647692 481025 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing wrong with that, was just wondering whether it'd be a new language for the hall of fame or whatever
< 1406647717 203993 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1406647777 22394 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, I really want to test the fingerprints I've implemented :P
< 1406647827 351992 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not far off :-)
< 1406647871 42188 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme see if it gets through if I delete the ;s
< 1406647913 995404 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it doesn't get through
< 1406647923 858627 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means I tested the wrong coords again
< 1406647959 513637 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mentioned a debug mode (I assume it outputs a trace or something), maybe set it to turn on when y >= 200 or something? :-P
< 1406647978 432456 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I could do that
< 1406647979 299986 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1406648300 241415 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm
< 1406648306 425959 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's definitely a bug in the ;
< 1406648311 818519 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just wrapping
< 1406648336 877583 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it gets infini-looped in the tick after ; is executed
< 1406648362 534813 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1406648605 487078 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IP seems to not advance despite the delta being positive, while in the ;.
< 1406648620 311366 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got this by making spaces take up a tick inside ;s
< 1406648653 584397 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that makes no sense
< 1406648689 135851 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the loop says "x,y = move(x, y)" so every tick it should move irrelevant of if it's in a comment.
< 1406648995 199791 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's definitely a wrapping bug
< 1406649369 113619 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I try making another file consisting of:
< 1406649371 404087 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :            v
< 1406649378 95917 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :.        v
< 1406649390 170556 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :   ;v;   >;
< 1406649395 405947 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but aligned
< 1406649411 279216 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not give me that wrapping error
< 1406649434 961139 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might need to write something to negative space first
< 1406649497 648168 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding 01-1p to the beginning still doesn't give me the error
< 1406649516 376577 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it's not that simple :-P
< 1406649615 885514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone tried the unrolling type trick for common deltas like fizzie's -93 interpreter had?
< 1406649664 284885 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which trick was that?
< 1406649812 219733 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding a form feed to the line with comments doesn't work either
< 1406649853 134396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: https://gist.github.com/fis/6898996 has it, I think
< 1406649874 164431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "insts" macro, e.g.
< 1406649926 941800 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: I suggest either debugging Mycology as-is, or copying Mycology up to the failing point and removing needless lines until it's small enough to debug
< 1406649938 416134 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And still exhibits the problem)
< 1406650073 108134 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So complete copies of the code for different deltas? Hasn't been done in -98 afaik. (The resulting binary size, think of the floppies!)
< 1406650099 253832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: right, something like that. it seems like you could eliminate a lot of indirection and branches for the common case.
< 1406650116 77659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could even do something like just preloading N instructions along a delta, and then executing them as a linear program, bailing if the delta changes
< 1406650130 899846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if that'd help much.
< 1406650145 319992 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on the funge-space implementation it might
< 1406650159 414341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :preload N instructions as things to computed-goto to :)
< 1406650165 432909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and bail if instructions get rebound or delta changed or whatever)
< 1406650169 674622 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :copying four lines surrounding the one that wraps using ; doesn't exhibit the problem
< 1406650192 367624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget, fungespace stores 32-bit values usually right?
< 1406650193 704944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it 8-bit
< 1406650200 572358 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined.
< 1406650202 786275 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: -93 is 8-bit I think
< 1406650206 964741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean -98.
< 1406650234 363777 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :in -98 it can be anything according to spec
< 1406650241 898892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always kinda wondered what it'd be like if you stored cells that are valid instructions as computed-goto pointers.
< 1406650258 607925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then used invalid pointers for other cells.
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< 1406650281 125290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even not invalid pointers, just have N copies of reflect :)
< 1406650284 381850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd only save one switch/case I suppose.
< 1406650298 445519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's kind of pointless because it doesn't optimise where it actually matters (e.g., fungespace)
< 1406650301 416991 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, my implementation features arbitrary-sized cells (called 'inf'-sized cells by y)
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< 1406650344 905687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: right, I just checked the spec. I just meant that it's not like 32-bit stack, 8-bit fungespace
< 1406650351 675040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've implemented -98)
< 1406650364 140535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary-sized cells are still illegal I think :)
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< 1406650398 897410 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 cell containing the number of bytes per cell (global env). aka cell size. Typically 4, could also be 2, 8, really really large, infinity, etc."
< 1406650407 582580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but you can't push infinity to the stack.
< 1406650431 56174 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :in python: push(float('inf'))
< 1406650435 822128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you can, then your cells are no longer "signed integers" and so you break the spec.
< 1406650437 837809 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thinko's been fixed in later revisions
< 1406650450 717517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, -98 got revisions?
< 1406650474 529402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/catseye/Funge-98/blob/master/doc/funge98.markdown I guess this is the canonical spec
< 1406650486 178737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 cell containing the number of bytes per cell (global env).
< 1406650494 76352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, yeah. so I just don't believe arbitrary-sized cells are legal
< 1406650514 775882 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might have been just a simplification in Chris's head when he did the Markdown conversion
< 1406650540 443599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the github commits say it's the "2004 revision"
< 1406650554 42227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I suspect the version on quadium.net is just from 1998
< 1406650571 990401 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you look at the git log it starts from an HTML import which still says the "really really large, infinity" stuff and then it just gets removed in the Markdown conversion process
< 1406650575 299561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :/ the html version has it, yeah
< 1406650585 436229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we actually asked chris about this though?
< 1406650595 810936 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, can't remember
< 1406650645 557182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: I assume you just push -1?
< 1406650657 496246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're actually pushing a float then that's terrifyingly against-spec
< 1406650659 823551 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Like he said he pushes inf
< 1406650665 358872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not an integer. :/
< 1406650675 854049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spec is very clear about cells being integers. :p
< 1406650693 829924 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python's inf is kind of an edge case imo :S
< 1406650695 557257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you massage inf into some other float or do otherwise-wacky stuff given one on the stack?
< 1406650696 127660 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Mycology should check that it's a sensible value by dividing it by itself and aborting if the result is not 1 :-P
< 1406650706 91320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: it's just an IEEE floating point value...
< 1406650711 320915 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1406650714 347859 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then it isn't
< 1406650719 751061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> type(float('inf'))
< 1406650719 940835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1406650726 373594 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll push -1 then
< 1406650739 515622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, if you made the whole stack floats, that would be exciting.
< 1406650742 344582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and very illegal.
< 1406650787 490904 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't there an interpreter in a float-only language, I forget
< 1406650916 98440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably someone has done JS.
< 1406650922 404457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :albeit likely very noncompliantly.
< 1406650941 655776 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so I have made mycology bypass that portion of the code.
< 1406650948 697186 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can test fingerprints
< 1406650976 463158 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and while testing ORTH, it loops over the tests for S and X for some reason
< 1406650978 646155 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be surprised if shit breaks randomly because fingerprint tests assume that everything works, moreso than the previous parts
< 1406650980 461567 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :X reflects too
< 1406651010 565675 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it shouldn't
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< 1406654705 894795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the problem with "JITting" -98 naively is that the IP kinda changes delta a lot.
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< 1406655029 713183 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you write Unefunge, and why wouldn't you?
< 1406655257 582068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could follow constant-delta-instructions as you JIT the instructions from fungespace. but at that point, why not just interpret the instructions as you go?
< 1406655490 748374 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have one thread run ahead decoding, but then decoding is almost always the bottleneck anyway
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< 1406655819 742161 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Too late, no attribution it is
< 1406656007 288126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I completely missed your comment, fancy that. But anyway, yad+y{...} seems simpler than the y0yaa1++k${...}n there is.
< 1406656052 767061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where {...} denotes use-the-value instead of the regular meanings of {}.
< 1406656139 794753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless maybe you don't want to use the "pick one cell" functionality before testing it, or something.
< 1406656243 51652 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa
< 1406656281 208753 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, I think you're right
< 1406656299 982949 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "pick one cell" has been tested earlier and it seems like it's treated as fatal if it doesn't work
< 1406656349 992615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "NRTS"4( 0y ad+k$ > #;:!4*jD#;< @   just curious
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< 1406656364 378729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was boring.
< 1406656390 963443 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ad+k$ will be off-by-one vs. ad+y
< 1406656408 824591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I was doing something else here.
< 1406656419 248947 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Namely, dropping also the ad+'th cell.)
< 1406656548 993713 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/seL4
< 1406656699 793677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :V. fancy, a .systems domain.
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< 1406658854 397243 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what esolang shall I implement? :P
< 1406658868 138016 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right I was going to do spiral
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< 1406659396 502407 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: you should try When
< 1406659404 856414 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've said that a lot
< 1406659420 57380 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might.
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< 1406659422 556568 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might.
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< 1406660072 353026 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I implement signed 8-bit integers in Python? Do I just do if val >= 128: val -= 255 and if val <= -129: val += 255?
< 1406660112 640960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use %
< 1406660158 106394 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I do val % 128, it'll put me at 0, not -128, at overflow.
< 1406660253 947655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> ((128 + 128) % 256) - 128
< 1406660254 176538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-128
< 1406660306 355132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also use ctypes.c_byte
< 1406660323 183090 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: isn't that unsigned?
< 1406660335 152475 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, let me look that up
< 1406660337 624547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as signed as char is
< 1406660340 170108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably bad
< 1406660346 645353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if there's a c_int8_t though
< 1406660349 43487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(c_int8)
< 1406660358 109562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why does this not exist in the stdlib other than in the FFI module :/
< 1406660382 182750 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, https://docs.python.org/3/library/ctypes.html seems to suggest c_byte corresponds to the C type char, which can be either (but is more often signed)
< 1406660426 760769 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, what you said
< 1406660443 370735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie has it right
< 1406660464 884658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though to me b_jonas' link seems to suggest that c_byte corresponds to "signed char", and c_char corresponds to char.
< 1406660488 795614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the table and the list are kind of contradictory.
< 1406660496 733644 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can't add two c_bytes together.
< 1406660501 164295 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :with +
< 1406660507 168176 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I missing something
< 1406660521 891007 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or c_int8s
< 1406660557 189650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The overview table says "char", but the long list in the reference section says "class ctypes.c_byte: Represents the C signed char datatype, and interprets the value as small integer."
< 1406660563 155337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so Python.
< 1406660571 344115 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ouch
< 1406660583 492615 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd better look at the source then if you want to be sure
< 1406660620 15438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the int8 is at least a safe choice.
< 1406660636 45763 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :c_byte(128) gives me c_byte(-128) when I print it
< 1406660638 582775 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah
< 1406660646 179189 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's signed
< 1406660657 323947 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On your system, you mean.
< 1406660670 39260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's aligned with the platform's "char" type, it might not be the same everywhere.
< 1406660705 134597 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also, if I import c_int8 and use it, it gives me a c_byte when I print it.
< 1406660719 159149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's listed to be "usually" an alias for c_byte.
< 1406660757 127325 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay then.
< 1406660773 66366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"c_int8(x).value" looks like a worky (if unpretty) way to reduce a number to an 8-bit signed int.
< 1406660845 768934 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I figured that
< 1406660891 892027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh I'd just write my own wrapper class at this point
< 1406660947 948316 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, it works
< 1406660966 788354 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully works on all systems.
< 1406661003 748715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't, like...
< 1406661010 49217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't create a c_int8 and uncreate it every time.
< 1406661013 790100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed c_int8 could do arithmetic.
< 1406661049 846932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a mutable type, you can change its .value for arithmetic, I suppose.
< 1406661119 624886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the part where I write class Octet(object): ...
< 1406661127 970213 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :changing its value works
< 1406661131 957025 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite well
< 1406661219 942790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also always the  -(val & 0x80) | (val & 0x7f)  if you wanted to stick with regular Python integers and just reduce it into the usual range of an 8-bit integer. On the plus side, it's also not immediately obvious to everyone what's happening.
< 1406661223 324797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why they don't have arithmetic.
< 1406661250 751722 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, I'm only using it for a Spiral interpreter
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< 1406661699 927017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried to learn a bit about modern C++, but somehow the experience was unpleasant, even though I had gotten the impression the new thing was the bee's knees.
< 1406661719 871383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: whoa
< 1406661731 444952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which part was unpleasant
< 1406661749 389258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my experiences with bees have mostly been unpleasant. uncertain whether knees were involved
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< 1406662080 207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. All these sources seemed to be so excited about it, but I couldn't get excited about rvalue references or "uniform" initialization.
< 1406662086 698530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it's just an unfamiliarity problem.
< 1406663108 723016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a single example, there's this  http://www.stroustrup.com/C++11FAQ.html#unions  which is all "look, we have 'improved' unions and now you get to write this thing that involves an explicit destructor call and placement new".
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< 1406665818 412211 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote c++
< 1406665818 716073 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `quote' failed with: user error (parseRegex for Text.Regex.TDFA.String failed:"c++" (line 1, column 3):
< 1406665818 905791 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected '+'
< 1406665819 95177 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting empty () or anchor ^ or $, an atom, "|" or end of input)
< 1406665826 824458 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah.
< 1406665832 242275 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote c\+\+
< 1406665832 534960 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwe1234 says: c++ is the way it is for a very, very good reason.
< 1406665854 52508 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote C\+\+
< 1406665854 364115 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thoughtpolice says: at least with python you have the comfort of knowing that one day you won't be woken up to discover your house is burned, family & dog raped, and civilization collapsed due to some C++ insanity that happens only when the moons are aligned correctly, it's friday, you're wearing a green t-shirt and it's the 27th day of june on a
< 1406665854 625868 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 year cycle
< 1406665941 811234 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah hah.
< 1406666080 256523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that even have to do with C++
< 1406666094 571070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could put literally any language I disliked in place of C++ there and it'd make as much sense
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< 1406666570 372137 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so this is interesting. I can connect to simple ssh/https on same port (using a multiplexing application) at the server, but it seems I can't connect to home at all
< 1406666585 380129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :home probably is firewalled or whatever?
< 1406666588 443837 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they blacklisted connecting to consumer IPs?
< 1406666592 865578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ~~forward the ports~~
< 1406666593 497359 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have dynamic ip so
< 1406666612 729051 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes I can connect to home from my phone no issue, even over ssh
< 1406666615 176709 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1406666618 650696 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :even over 443 I mean
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< 1406666675 592970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this point I would try and get a VPN working any way I could and then just use it for everything, because this connection sounds fucked
< 1406666681 758529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just tor even :P
< 1406666697 687090 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, vpn over http proxy?
< 1406666710 38752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VPN over TLS.
< 1406666713 89576 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1406666715 878593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenVPN uses TLS, I think.
< 1406666727 200732 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? I thought it used a custom protocol
< 1406666735 488702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/337-why-openvpn-uses-tls.html
< 1406666751 890184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for auth and key exchange at least
< 1406666767 426169 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1406666841 571868 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway the current way is transparent. That is, the proxying daemon does some crazy stuff so that openssh/nginx sees the original source IP of the client
< 1406666851 261942 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is neat I guess
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< 1406666868 37770 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uses some iptables magic. The mangle table. So black magic.
< 1406666872 59445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, do they MITM SSL certs?
< 1406666874 425706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't put it past them
< 1406666922 846928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, if actual non-TLS-wrapped SSH (to the server) did work.
< 1406666948 891374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it wasn't wrapped at all?
< 1406666957 654482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't sound like that, but maybe I missed something.
< 1406666958 164247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Vorpal said ssh on port 443 didn't work, earlier
< 1406666975 642794 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :<@elliott> btw, do they MITM SSL certs? <-- don't think so no
< 1406666991 934170 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :<@elliott> oh, it wasn't wrapped at all? <-- yes it worked when I did it to my vps
< 1406666994 690617 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't to home
< 1406666999 516425 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it used to work to home
< 1406667007 61824 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus I assumed they filtered it
< 1406667033 572309 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it turns out they blocked the range of IPs my home ADSL uses 
< 1406667043 222956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think Tor is the lowest-effort solution here :)
< 1406667058 148303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps their IDS just noticed (afterwards) there was some non-TLS traffic and blackholed it.
< 1406667067 435649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll find out if they filter out your VPS too, I guess.
< 1406667086 27980 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well that could be an issue. My home was available for moths
< 1406667088 182608 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :months*
< 1406667091 632889 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before that happened
< 1406667105 141323 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I have dynamic IP at home so hm
< 1406667114 305211 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406667122 271960 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I just need to write an init.d script for this now
< 1406667133 991812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think you mean a systemd service."
< 1406667139 289694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"j/k lol"
< 1406667173 53580 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 NICK :^4
< 1406667234 254531 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not on debian *stable*
< 1406667277 810994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to install BIND 9.9 from wheezy-backports.
< 1406667325 957684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It brought in some sort of systemd-fakery-thing, since wheezy (stable) is not systemd, but the place it's backported from is.
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< 1406667401 785290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Package: init-system-helpers "This package contains helper tools that are necessary for switching between the various init systems that Debian contains (e.g. sysvinit, upstart, systemd). An example is deb-systemd-helper, a script that enables systemd unit files without depending on a running systemd."
< 1406667872 845650 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1406667888 233487 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I finished the sshttpd init.d script
< 1406667898 394971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the /etc/init.d/bind9 script looks perfectly regular, so I have no idea what init-system-helpers is for.
< 1406667899 225592 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sslh didn't work, but sshttpd does
< 1406667935 811389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :While it says "helper tools", deb-systemd-invoke and deb-systemd-helper are the only things in it.
< 1406667977 810657 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm think I'll restart my VPS to check that it properly sets everything up
< 1406667984 391965 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have added three new instructions (PUSH, POP, GSO) into VM360 so now all 64 instruction opcodes are defined.
< 1406668234 888384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a flowchart template from IBM, although some are marked "COMPOSITE SYMBOL (see envelope for details)" and I do not have the envelope.
< 1406668336 125468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what is written on the envelope?
< 1406668424 349023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No. It reminds me of the Zork Zero calendar.
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< 1406669578 429223 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't have time to look at that cfunge bug currently. At the earliest during the weekend
< 1406669615 912310 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but is it that the y index for picking is the wrong direction?
< 1406669631 854485 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 NICK :Bicyclidine
< 1406669664 465146 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :[13:43:45]  !befunge98 0yf8+y2+02pn987654321 02gy. 02g1+y. 02g1-y. @
< 1406669664 692749 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :[13:43:46]  8 7 9
< 1406669668 834692 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what should that output?
< 1406669752 826448 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie http://sprunge.us/RFAF
< 1406669753 282271 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406669761 67441 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night
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< 1406671550 756785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have realized that optimizing a Z-machine program into the absolute smallest size is a very complicated problem which depends on a very large number of things. This includes figuring out which tables should overlap, deciding what should go into the fwords table, whether or not a custom character set packing table should be used, whether or not certain things should be aligned, and many other things.
< 1406671597 106683 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof it's np hard
< 1406671600 218922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal Yes, and it should output "2 3 1". (The K cells "conceptually" pushed by y are on top of the existing contents of the stack, so if the argument to y is K+N, the picked cell should be the N'th counting from the top, not bottom.)
< 1406671600 809491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406671654 743480 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: It is probably at least NP hard.
< 1406671673 118733 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's not a proof
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< 1406671738 494218 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: of course it is
< 1406671814 50356 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably way not in NP, because checking equivalence of z-machines is probably not computable
< 1406671854 661077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : "the not entirely possible case" <-- that was the typo i mentioned earlier that was too good to correct
< 1406671857 21366 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this applies not only to z-machine but basically any programming language that is not very restricted
< 1406671880 21864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although I don't only mean the instruction sequences, but also the way data is packed in memory.
< 1406671883 326612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad someone noticed
< 1406671957 952184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even to optimize the way data is packed in memory would be complicated in this case.
< 1406671960 337749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: checking equivalence of finite state machines is certainly computable.  not sure what complexity class.
< 1406671971 578277 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sure
< 1406671993 404696 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: deterministic or non-deterministic finite machines? 
< 1406672018 346965 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it's possible in polynomial time for even deterministic finite machines,
< 1406672035 482429 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's at least checkable in exponential time.
< 1406672057 401997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that state minimization algorithm, i recall.  does that give a canonical form?
< 1406672064 68284 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, just packing is probably around NP-complete or something
< 1406672087 224746 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can't definitely say because I don't know much about the z-machine)
< 1406672098 505876 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes
< 1406672161 286004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that suffices then.
< 1406672186 459408 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but probalby not in polynomial time
< 1406672213 155475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Different things require different alignment and can exist in different areas of memory, for one thing. And then, there is possibilities of overlapping tables, and if data at one address can be safely used for more than one purpose. But, there is more!
< 1406672213 792800 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you can do in polynomial time exactly
< 1406672255 998214 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can you have a table with holes? 
< 1406672279 233486 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: as in, you have some fixed data you can shift anywhere in memory, but it's not continuous, it has a large field of don't care in the middle
< 1406672309 432826 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can you have any number of such tables that you can move independently?
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< 1406672340 283375 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, then finding an alignment is probably NP-hard because of PCP
< 1406672355 628009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: In some cases, yes. For example if you do not need all 96 fwords then it is possible to put the gaps in the middle instead of at the end. Furthermore, there is the case that part of the table can be used for another purpose, and alignment is required. There can also be gaps between tables.
< 1406672393 47207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmm wait, what I was thinking might not work
< 1406672399 386439 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still suspect it's NP-hard, but can't prove
< 1406672400 983692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me think
< 1406672430 689402 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The short description of an object is one thing that can include gaps (possibly used for another property table), due to the way it is encoded.
< 1406672465 835913 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I think it's probably NP-hard, but I'm not willing to try to find a proof this evening
< 1406672560 982728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore you might make fwords table point into the vocabulary table or into other text strings. You might also have overlapping text strings.
< 1406672578 261552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't know what you can do in polynomial time exactly <-- in some sense, no one knows, and that's why P vs. NP is still unsolved :P
< 1406672621 282874 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because packed text strings contain shift codes, you could even have one text consisting entirely of lowercase letters and spaces, and another which is the same but in uppercase, if neither contains fwords you can make them to overlap.
< 1406672698 896977 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are the text strings ended with a delimiter, or length prefixed, or is the length in the table? (not really relevant to the complexity, just asking)
< 1406672725 505238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Ended with a delimiter; specifically, the high bit of a 16-bit word is set to indicate that it ends.
< 1406672742 778792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, short descriptions *also* contain a length prefix.
< 1406672816 950594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And vocabulary entries always have a fixed length.)
< 1406672915 138392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo  Is there a particularly deep reason that multiplication having higher precedence than addition seems to be the most convenient order? <-- my hunch is that it's because you can get any polynomial into the canonical form with sums outermost, but the opposite is factorization and much harder.
< 1406672915 475603 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406672928 279917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you can see some of the considerations which must be made.
< 1406672962 325391 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I see
< 1406672987 962576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The length of a short description is used to know how many bytes to skip over in order to find the first property.)
< 1406672989 254764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo therefore it's most useful to have the precedence such that the canonical form parses easily without parentheses.
< 1406672989 747108 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406673056 480911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo i guess infinite series also add to this being convenient.
< 1406673057 20398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406673097 991143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many considerations also would have to be different depending if it is ZIP, EZIP, XZIP, or YZIP.
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< 1406673671 612652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&page_0=11   it's like a wall of thunder <-- bornholm seems to be really getting it now
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< 1406675335 478495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm apparently there's supposed to be thunder here in a couple hours
< 1406675355 831635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so common in the middle of the night...
< 1406675382 703563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should keep that page open to see it approaching :)
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< 1406675551 169548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see one strike a bit east of here from 20 minutes ago
< 1406675640 980381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :much more activity down near germany, but since it's a german site they've probably got more sensors there
< 1406675648 877042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*near/in
< 1406675681 382917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now there was one in sweden
< 1406675730 45159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh if you choose detectors it shows you which reported each strike
< 1406675747 331159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems they don't have to be close
< 1406675818 436888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, dependent on strength probably, but several strikes in german/poland get detections as far away as finland
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< 1406675875 972882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that one in sweden got detected from britain outside the map
< 1406675885 634042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty cool actually
< 1406675966 395870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there's been another strike just east of here
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< 1406676126 136966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh much more lightning in the usa than in europe
< 1406676133 433947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess because it's day there
< 1406676186 948151 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stockholm got quite some showers and a bit of thunder a few days ago
< 1406676264 391084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should learn where things are in sweden, afaik the lightning right now is about where i thought stockholm was
< 1406676343 958088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah stockholm is further south
< 1406676352 563091 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stockholm is the part that sticks out, kinda hard to miss
< 1406676352 781559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything in sweden is so far south
< 1406676437 417932 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how that detection works
< 1406676440 250591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody google maps has changed its ui to be bloody annoying
< 1406676530 501569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i've just got too used to two-finger scrolling working in other sites
< 1406676543 159927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although the ui looks different, too)
< 1406676545 312306 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :2Ground-based and mobile detectors calculate the direction and severity of lightning from the current location using radio direction-finding techniques together with an analysis of the characteristic frequencies emitted by lightning. Ground-based systems use triangulation from multiple locations to determine distance, while mobile systems estimate distance using signal frequency and attenuation."
< 1406676557 92098 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/2/"/
< 1406676565 595467 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that makes sense
< 1406676567 608567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: did you select the detectors button
< 1406676581 706863 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1406676582 469736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks much cooler then
< 1406676645 418657 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Pretty cool website. :)
< 1406676667 609347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank fizzie who linked it earlier
< 1406676678 71192 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does
< 1406676746 583571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm wondering if south america has really bad coverage or if it's just because it's winter there
< 1406676788 819401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm new zealand has a thunder storm but none in australia
< 1406676802 592702 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what cool website
< 1406676822 557693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&page_0=20
< 1406676852 690303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's oceania because i just clicked to it
< 1406676865 300349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :usa had a _lot_ going on in comparison
< 1406676921 186057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing in asia either
< 1406676941 214123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have day now, no?
< 1406676993 63074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :given japan is a listed subarea they surely must have some sensors there
< 1406677078 20638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lonely strike somewhere in venezuela
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< 1406677622 520595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How could searchable noun phrases be compactly encoded for text adventure game?
< 1406677684 576148 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUffman tree
< 1406677685 850629 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1406677709 795001 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something similar
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< 1406678045 161273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it would also have to be able to tell which object you mean, which corresponds to such noun phrase (since there might be more than one), and that the decoding program is also small.
< 1406678224 779249 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could try to use the method similar to OASYS, possibly
< 1406678447 218898 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although maybe there is better way?
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< 1406679191 333456 :boily!~alexandre@bas1-montreal48-1096716506.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all! I am in a panicking state! I'm trying to make windows boot!
< 1406679206 968027 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry to hear that.
< 1406679243 789210 :boily!~alexandre@bas1-montreal48-1096716506.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have creatively destroyed the EFI on a friend's machine.
< 1406679254 79181 :boily!~alexandre@bas1-montreal48-1096716506.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in some very dubious and artistics maneuvers...)
< 1406679519 566371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure they were also EFIcient
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< 1406679839 777093 :boily!~alexandre@bas1-montreal48-1096716506.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you deserve a thorough mapole, you fiend.
< 1406679907 733632 :boily!~alexandre@bas1-montreal48-1096716506.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the automated repair didn't work, rebuilding the BCD didn't work, on to the nuclear option.
< 1406679943 292381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll check if blitzortung picks it up
< 1406680103 53620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no lightning that far east in canada, it seems
< 1406680120 230609 :boily!~alexandre@bas1-montreal48-1096716506.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :blitzortung?
< 1406680147 771187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&page_0=30 hth
< 1406680372 686328 :boily!~alexandre@bas1-montreal48-1096716506.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh. shiny!
< 1406680433 106248 :boily!~alexandre@bas1-montreal48-1096716506.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, the EFI mystery persists. everything seems to be in the right place, I can select bootmgfw.efi from either grub or refind, but every time the machine just beeps and reboot.
< 1406680441 146572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and don't forget to select the "detectors" button
< 1406680627 586865 :boily!~alexandre@bas1-montreal48-1096716506.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shines with lines.
< 1406681149 462317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Deewiant  elliott: So complete copies of the code for different deltas? Hasn't been done in -98 afaik. (The resulting binary size, think of the floppies!) <-- isn't that what fizzie's jit did? although i don't recall him ever finishing it.
< 1406681150 20138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1406681789 862304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the forecast lightning here doesn't seem to be materializing.
< 1406681904 836173 :boily!~alexandre@bas1-montreal48-1096716506.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the windows disc now suddenly refuses to repair windows for no apparent reason. screw me.
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< 1406684920 988059 :boily!~alexandre@bas1-montreal48-1096716506.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. I went the lazy way, and just installed that **** de câlisse de bâtard de **** in virtualbox.
< 1406684930 224871 :boily!~alexandre@bas1-montreal48-1096716506.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go home. I need sleep.
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< 1406690046 244673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found that someone has figured out how to do open source bitstream generation for FPGA without needing to figure out the bitstream format; it is done by making a bunch of small bitstreams for each primitive and then putting them together.  http://www.isi.edu/~nsteiner/publications/soni-2013-bitstream-fccm13.pdf
< 1406690111 212975 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome.
< 1406690116 313931 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really sad that that had to be done, though.
< 1406690144 133455 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i'm living in a proprietary world and i am a proprietary girl"
< 1406690149 704244 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt that how the song goes?
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< 1406690848 161239 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could possibly do it even further, by making sets of microbitstreams that have corresponding sets for different FPGA models (including different vendors), and then store them in a ROM chip, and then you can program a FPGA without ever even touching the bitstreams at all!
< 1406690948 314086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo, 2000 SO rep
< 1406690960 924853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that went a lot faster than the first 1000
< 1406690966 205201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott may be right
< 1406691159 187398 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: might have a big efficiency cost
< 1406691191 163818 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie. if fpga blocks can do function of 6 inputs, and you end up only using functions of 2 inputs as your building block
< 1406691224 16909 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- didnt read the paper
< 1406691366 564149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whoa, you're practically ahead of me
< 1406691433 159230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you guess what people are asking for when they're unclear without pointing it out they'll just keep being unclear :'(
< 1406691438 282394 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Yes, if you want maximum compatibility, but you could have a "microbitstream archive" which contains the bitstreams and rule files to combine them and the capability files, and then if you are tuning the compilation to specific systems you can use those otherwise you could only use a portable set, I think.
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< 1406691517 579952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wait are you referring to any of my answers here
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< 1406691534 947152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1406691541 909924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be kind of rude though
< 1406691582 732658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _do_ remember that there were a number of occasions when i got the right answer long after everyone else had misinterpreted the question.
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< 1406691619 498130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, since i don't visit SO _all_ the time, that's probably how i get most of the ones i get
< 1406691697 503389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well nah
< 1406691709 157508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i just remember something slightly obscure
< 1406691986 123778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my _last_ answer was of course something trivial which just popped up and i couldn't resist because it would put me over 2000)
< 1406692213 86767 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it would help though, if they can make up a single chip which can be compatible with the format of this:   http://blog.notdot.net/2012/10/Build-your-own-FPGA
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< 1406698006 260387 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie said 7h 19m 18s ago: Yes, and it should output "2 3 1". (The K cells "conceptually" pushed by y are on top of the existing contents of the stack, so if the argument to y is K+N, the picked cell should be the N'th counting from the top, not bottom.) <-- fair enough, should be an easy enough fix, but I *probably* won't have time until the weekend. Have you told Deewiant about it? He mig
< 1406698006 450025 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ht want to improve the test in mycology.
< 1406698018 353634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did
< 1406698021 521614 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1406698028 409919 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl work
< 1406698063 360385 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and, this means nobody is using y for pick very much I think. Otherwise this would have been found way sooner
< 1406698071 601566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1406698338 448140 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, also is it still Gregor that runs HackEgo?
< 1406698344 707218 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And EgoBot
< 1406698362 877959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1406698433 460294 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, EgoBot's cfunge version will need updating after this is fixed
< 1406698438 853321 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, bbl now, really
< 1406698575 239060 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with Befunge? Spec issue, issue in popular implementations?
< 1406698875 856810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :issue in cfunge, which mycology's test accidentally doesn't catch
< 1406698944 622298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(y numbering stack elements in reverse order)
< 1406698963 79016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't catch it because the test picks the middle element of the stack
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< 1406699552 418466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think using y for picking is kinda-sorta considered cheating by some.
< 1406699676 737869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention that it might be quite slow in unoptimilized implementations.
< 1406699828 519088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1406700767 586694 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-174-197-32.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1406701115 587210 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey
< 1406701797 237447 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1406702059 155450 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Possibly, I don't remember; fizzie would know. (But then, as you said, it was never finished, so the floppies still live.)
< 1406702059 400212 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406702640 328915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would I know? 
< 1406702903 775454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the delta thing. No, jitfunge didn't do that; only the different iterations of ff, a '93 interpreter.
< 1406702970 66157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :jitfunge was a tracing jit (interpret, but also collect instruction traces while executing; then when re-encountered, compile traces with constant-propagation and such), which I consider to be a p. natural way of JITting Funge-98.
< 1406703147 833954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can't compile across "computed goto" kind of dynamic things (j or x with non-constant arguments and the like), but those are (a) rare and (b) can be considered to separate "basic blocks" that you can compile to native code and then connect with conditional jumps.
< 1406703354 606802 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also quite a lot of not-so-hard-but-tedious bookkeeping to figure out everything that needs to be invalidated when a 'p' is executed, at least if you want to try doing it somewhat optimally. Things like tracking which traces go across which playfield cells, and treating ;;-jumps (only a p of ';' matters) and stringmode (can be fixed by modifying the pushed constant) differently. And ...
< 1406703360 628846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... tracking which wrapping traces would hit the new cell if boundaries are extended.
< 1406703404 545691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan NO (but see logs for details)
< 1406703404 985350 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1406706003 460565 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys, can anyone on Linux (who has Python) check if this works right on Linux? https://github.com/TieSoul/Multilang
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< 1406706112 890003 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :did my message just now arrive in chat?
< 1406706116 360456 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1406706116 550152 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1406706122 582683 :Guest95819!skarn@binary.firrre.com QUIT :Changing host
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< 1406706123 570562 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not peak hour here
< 1406706130 752694 :Guest95819!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn NICK :skarn
< 1406706136 621313 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :most folk are away asleep/at work
< 1406706153 522915 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will try to test your code
< 1406706157 95039 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I asked because I was force-quitted
< 1406706206 103138 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a shell, and I'm most concerned with the directory stuff and file execution.
< 1406706215 226770 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1406706217 344119 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it works cross-platform
< 1406706225 797328 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i get it running, tell me commands to test
< 1406706231 941147 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :dir
< 1406706233 216833 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd
< 1406706238 694894 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and f
< 1406706245 581370 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have any files to test on
< 1406706268 396308 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1406706269 997067 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1406706275 595333 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :complete commands
< 1406706279 423226 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1406706295 401515 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any brainfuck/befunge files to test on?
< 1406706301 634529 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or random)
< 1406706313 381448 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also can you call dir ls instead (at least alias it)
< 1406706346 57361 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1406706349 893608 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll alias it
< 1406706415 653622 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm
< 1406706449 144955 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you just make a file containing "!dlroW olleH"bk,@ ?
< 1406706459 821480 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and save it as something.b98?
< 1406706466 670664 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could test with that
< 1406706672 936351 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :having nets issues on linux box hold please
< 1406706774 412803 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cloning now
< 1406706826 853550 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :run Multilang.py when you're done cloning
< 1406706866 814276 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i can't
< 1406706871 827114 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have python 3 installed
< 1406706872 961123 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1406706877 837708 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1406706904 183353 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well
< 1406708543 962747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works -- http://sprunge.us/iVBQ -- for me.
< 1406708572 149261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :First time I see a "Pascal string" in a Funge-98 hello-world, also.
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< 1406708688 312688 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a Pascal string?
< 1406708705 843994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gnirts"6 as opposed to 0"gnirts".
< 1406708715 955701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :0a"!dlroW olleH">:#,_@ is the conventional one.
< 1406708756 713674 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1406708764 948503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though I always write 25* in place of a due to Befunge-93 roots.)
< 1406709170 217849 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 19+.
< 1406709335 209954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :55+ gets some use, too.
< 1406709346 289702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why I got stuck with 25*, but here we are.
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< 1406709804 652090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the department's mailing list, in a note about someone's Master's thesis presentation: "-- our meeting room has AIR CONDITIONING --"
< 1406709813 652572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's one way to ensure an audience.
< 1406709879 206780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This building in general doesn't do AC, it being considered a bit of a luxury in Finland when it was built, since it's so seldom needed here.)
< 1406709891 512528 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1406709911 645529 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does the note also mention free food or drinks?
< 1406710408 938049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, since we don't tend to do those at thesis presentations. If it did, they'd probably run out of space in the meeting room.
< 1406711216 745485 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, and then you'd have to overflow to non-air-conditioned rooms
< 1406711602 586554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :These last few days, it has been generally 28..29°C in this office.
< 1406711602 812542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today it's only 27°C.
< 1406713390 649469 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like "our meeting room has a heater"
< 1406713407 559201 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :soom big old lecture rooms get really cold in winter
< 1406713409 176928 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*some
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< 1406713468 890926 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1406713658 183081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Around these parts, we know about heating but not about cooling.
< 1406714983 531188 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm implementing Whirl. Does Whirl use integers or floats?
< 1406715079 732727 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406717332 388544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reference implementation (in C++) has a memory made out of 'int's. I guess that's the thing to follow.
< 1406717400 45715 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1406717417 383897 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking because the flash interpreter uses floats
< 1406717446 746947 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was too lazy to check the other implementations
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< 1406727947 171657 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody wrote an interpreter with flash
< 1406727950 186485 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1406727953 101293 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unesoteric
< 1406727965 39315 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although flash
< 1406727977 329073 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume Flash is a platform and the language behind it is afaik this ActionScript
< 1406728139 183866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know, yes, but arguably you could still call something that depends on the platform's features to be written "in Flash".
< 1406729501 76372 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to implement another esolang. Any suggestions? :P
< 1406729550 4140 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :twoducks
< 1406729597 487731 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe PRIVMSG #esoteric :the irc esolang or snusp
< 1406729795 486433 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe PRIVMSG #esoteric :or zombie ^^
< 1406729828 407187 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do SNUSP
< 1406729842 986464 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like multi-dimensional languages
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< 1406732454 622269 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :k, finished SNUSP (modular)
< 1406732457 209574 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
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< 1406733523 414549 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: yeah snusp is easy to implement :)
< 1406733545 486263 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was quite easy indeed
< 1406733547 609838 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language did you use?
< 1406733553 266979 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python
< 1406733561 845900 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1406733563 48830 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Python for everything
< 1406733641 855838 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 years ago I made a BF2Text, oklopol battled me and his implementation was awesome, also writtein in python
< 1406733642 248494 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :check out https://github.com/TieSoul/Multilang. It's a shell for all languages I've written implementations of.
< 1406733642 438247 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1406733675 521664 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice :)
< 1406733831 828222 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: I've made a Chip8 Interpreter, but its in java -.-, maybe you could recycle it
< 1406733843 397564 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe PRIVMSG #esoteric :including an assembler *g*
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< 1406735261 199264 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: is this python 3? It doesn't work with python 2.7.3
< 1406735417 906053 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, it is.   print(chr(s[i]), end="")
< 1406735432 711189 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok thx
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< 1406737387 834554 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie Just pushed a fix for that cfunge issue.
< 1406737388 24519 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406737440 163031 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor You might want to update to latest cfunge trunk in EgoBot for the Befunge98 command. I fixed a bug with using y as pick counting incorrectly.
< 1406737440 625549 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1406737488 325437 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul, Latest cfunge should now work correctly for y
< 1406737530 966491 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should seriously move from launchpad to bitbucket or something at some point
< 1406738388 315089 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rustyfunge
< 1406738392 391960 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :This should be a thing, maybe
< 1406738399 826245 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1406738412 649495 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe IronFunge
< 1406738426 42090 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rustyfunge better, because fungus
< 1406738469 534207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iron* is C#
< 1406738658 563972 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I wondered about that, why Iron* for C#
< 1406738676 434870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question. idk
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< 1406739975 5971 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so the saga of "get a working copy of Visual Studio on a non-Internet connected system" continues
< 1406740002 496572 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried installing Visual Studio Express 2012 (rather than 2013), which I have successfully done before via doing the registration on another computer
< 1406740030 618081 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this started out fine, but the form you have to fill in to register it is not working, in the sense that the Continue button does nothing
< 1406740054 524278 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no indication of any required fields missing
< 1406740075 60755 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case it was a client-side scripting error, I edited the JS so that it would submit the form without validation, but the same page just reloads, again with no indication of anything I'd done wrong
< 1406740124 522106 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now going to try 2010, because VS2012 Express didn't appear in the list of topics that Microsoft offer support with (maybe it's been discontinued?), but VS2010 Express did
< 1406740207 802222 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't there CD-Versions of it available?
< 1406740212 857164 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Did you mean microsoft visual studio express 2020?"
< 1406740215 804532 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I'm using the CD versions
< 1406740224 198424 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they nonetheless require registration over the Internet
< 1406740236 995317 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though Microsoft specifically say that registration is optional, apparently Visual Studio doesn't follow the same rules
< 1406740297 230568 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :searching Microsoft's search engine for VS2010 failed, but DuckDuckGo found within one link of the appropriate page
< 1406740301 555112 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see what happens here
< 1406740381 142099 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft don't even give a sensible method of reporting that their website is broken
< 1406740396 433609 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1406740406 411162 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, VS2010 is advertised as using the same registration method as VS2012, so in theory it should work unless the website is broken in the same way for both products
< 1406740413 642291 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, fewer allcaps in the menu, which has to help
< 1406740420 215380 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, looks like it prompts for registration even if you download the offline version
< 1406740426 178437 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a sham.
< 1406740428 907103 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shame
< 1406740432 709680 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says that before you download
< 1406740444 146460 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not malicious or misleading, just stupid
< 1406740457 598868 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft must really want that marketing data
< 1406740592 944846 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Microsoft discontinued support for VS 2012 Express because they thought nobody was using it because they got no new registrations
< 1406740625 306123 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that broken button (which must be broken for everyone, seeing as the mistake seems to be server-side) affects not just my unusual setup, but the most common setup for VS2012 Express
< 1406740686 449353 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1406740738 182467 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, I use 2010 Ultimate from MSDNAA. Can't you get something like that too? I thought you worked at a university even
< 1406740756 391314 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but I won't necessarily be here forever
< 1406740764 532651 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, those licenses don't expire
< 1406740776 381406 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they have limitations for academic use only, though, or whatever
< 1406740776 839476 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some non-commercial clauses and such but that is it
< 1406740788 240725 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, non-commercial. But I thought Express had that too?
< 1406740804 31034 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Express actually has a business option although it's meant to be for evaluation only
< 1406740819 268899 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the limitation really is "noncommercial" only, that's possibly good enough for me
< 1406740831 32160 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really I prefer to do things in a way that other people can reproduce
< 1406740833 703881 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, pretty sure that is the case
< 1406740847 431957 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, anyway, even if it wasn't, who would ever know?
< 1406740874 45486 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: this is not the approach I have towards the law
< 1406740880 95258 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough
< 1406740908 836438 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, It seems like a minor detail though in this case. I'm not suggesting using that as an argument for murder!
< 1406740921 953733 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err argument is wrong English word
< 1406740932 614509 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse?
< 1406740956 257993 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :reason?
< 1406740976 778889 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, in general, I have a policy that companies that put ridiculous restrictions on their customers should have to live with the effects of their own policies
< 1406740984 469943 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, licenses generally
< 1406740990 345632 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1406741038 890060 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, What would you think about a static analysis tool evaluation version that limited the number of results you opened by double clicking on the result (or right clicking and selecting goto). But listed file and line number in the result
< 1406741057 37089 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you just continue using it and opening the file manually?
< 1406741077 377905 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a reduced-feature version of software
< 1406741079 283503 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, This is not a theoretical question btw, there really is such a piece of software
< 1406741087 476652 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1406741090 650768 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was clear that the developer was happy with people using the reduced-feature version indefinitely, I'd be fine with it
< 1406741099 576855 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, if it wasn't clear?
< 1406741105 199173 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'd probably avoid it
< 1406741115 267378 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1406741130 869792 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I prefer to avoid closed-source software generally because it is so hard to fix bugs in it
< 1406741153 349375 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah
< 1406741168 609974 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the thing that immediately started all this off was "open-source software which I want to fix a bug in but it only compiles in Visual Studio", but that's a distant goal now; I'm just trying to get Visual Studio installed at all, mostly to see if I can get aimake to work with it)
< 1406741174 685146 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, I fixed a bug in a compiled binary today though
< 1406741183 121847 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :via hex editing?
< 1406741212 37061 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, via hte, (debian package ht) which is somewhat smart hex editing, showing the disassembly live while editing and such
< 1406741219 531464 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and tracing jumps and what not)
< 1406741238 110461 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, it was looking for kernel major = 2 && minor > some-number-I-forgot
< 1406741241 299157 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 3.x kernel
< 1406741260 358717 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I adjusted the jump to basically kill the check
< 1406741268 88666 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, that mistake
< 1406741287 917489 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is apparently why Windows 7 gives its version number as 6.1 if requested via the version number API
< 1406741294 451997 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that programs checking for major = 6 don't break
< 1406741304 551127 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, also setarch --uname-2.6 didn't work, since it read /proc/sys/kernel/osrelease
< 1406741314 735145 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 7 is pretty similar to Vista (6.0) bfrom a developer's point of view
< 1406741358 459005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :major/minor numbers for ABI type things are just a mistake.
< 1406741364 521823 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I dislike Visual Studio for being excessively complicated, among other things
< 1406741374 842023 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, the tool is part of Intel Parallel Studio's tool to inject static analysis by wrapping your build system and recording compiled files
< 1406741382 263630 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :You thought intel would get it right...
< 1406741408 537960 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yep
< 1406741423 839096 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, When intellisense works properly it is pretty nice
< 1406741429 877310 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work well for C++ at all though
< 1406741436 74589 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really what I was talking about
< 1406741443 586550 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1406741449 173383 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fine with that sort of feature existing, and it is very helpful for Java and C#
< 1406741460 64000 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking more of the build system interface
< 1406741463 771419 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, we use Visual Studio at work, but we disabled intelisense and use a separate third party add-on for better intelisense 
< 1406741474 918442 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :InteliSense for non-.NET just sucks
< 1406741490 460711 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in the older version of VS that we have
< 1406741525 433295 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, oh god the property sheet hell indeed
< 1406741539 466034 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, we are moving to a cmake-based system at work to get rid of that
< 1406741555 167937 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also in the longer term we are moving to linux as well)
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< 1406741701 126373 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, another thing I'd be happy with would be to download a time-unlimited copy of the command-line compiler
< 1406741707 137640 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just use msbuild or aimake or something as glue
< 1406741719 386486 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Microsoft doesn't support that any more either, they made it part of Visual Studio
< 1406741908 225381 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what static analysis tool is this?
< 1406741937 624546 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :maurer, the one that had that evaluation thing?
< 1406741963 568920 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1406741964 646583 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :maurer, a Windows-only tool that integrates with Visual Studio called "PVS Studio". It is okay.
< 1406741972 552103 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, OK
< 1406741975 730472 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I've heard of that, but don't know what it does
< 1406741979 26214 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a binary static analysis thing
< 1406741982 107595 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back to his corner
< 1406741984 541406 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, source code
< 1406742033 317791 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not too many false positives in my experience. Lint is pretty useless for example unless you use it from the get-go
< 1406742092 723792 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :splint is worse, because AFAICT it's too buggy to be useful
< 1406742114 636288 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found very minor, meaning-preserving changes to programs which would completely change its output
< 1406742160 775315 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1406742255 569028 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys
< 1406742595 627444 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, yes splint is useless
< 1406742606 356264 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, the clang static analysis is pretty nice too, but rather limited
< 1406742614 22608 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting better every version though
< 1406742623 905197 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've wanted a "splint done properly" for a while, but then Mozilla went and invented Rust
< 1406742644 176525 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which looks pretty close to that, except better in every respect except it isn't a subset of C (which is only arguably an advantage)
< 1406742683 2646 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, Try clang static analysis, it can find rather complex control flows leading to an error. I have seen it detect an error that happens after 30 steps of control flow
< 1406742727 348974 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried it myself, but apparently another NH4 developer runs it every now and again
< 1406742737 353343 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1406742830 927427 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
< 1406742860 832287 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, The intel one is nice too. When it doesn't check the kernel version that is ;P
< 1406742898 846679 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so apparently attempting to use system restore to uninstall Visual Studio (because installing versions of software out-of-order tends to cause DLL problems), it now won't boot; the loading screen finishes, then there's a black screen rather than the login screen which doesn't respond to input and has no mouse cursor
< 1406742946 299336 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION force-reboots twice to get the repair screen to come up
< 1406742985 549469 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, ouch
< 1406742998 877275 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There was a problem with refreshing your PC. No changes were made."
< 1406743009 313307 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, so uninstall didn't work?
< 1406743011 617801 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch
< 1406743046 172187 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try another System Restore to an earlier restore point
< 1406743173 906349 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, do you have a proper backup?
< 1406743179 430553 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would likely work better
< 1406743203 219015 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of all my files as of recently, yes; for Windows itself, there's just the recovery partition
< 1406743207 369650 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I fear it might uninstall Linux
< 1406743216 786767 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't keep files I care about on the Windows side
< 1406743237 850329 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, I meant like a disk image to overwrite windows with
< 1406744097 277439 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, well the system restore just got stuck on "Initialising..."
< 1406744199 722744 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know what the Windows Event Viewer is called from the command line? I got to a working command line
< 1406744300 46217 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I have two drives, X: and C:
< 1406744308 748940 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seem similar but not identical
< 1406744333 914163 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if I try to load files from C:, it sometimes looks in X: and then says they aren't there
< 1406744339 444103 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a /very/ good argument for text-based log formats
< 1406744393 870017 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, X: seems reminiscent of an initramfs or the like
< 1406744406 322439 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has the directory structure I'd expect for C:, but a different set of programs and no user data
< 1406744516 281980 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts a "System Restore Undo"
< 1406744532 25677 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems slightly more promising, in that it shows no signs of having got stuck yet
< 1406744609 254585 :int-e_!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de NICK :int-e
< 1406744972 957001 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"System Restore failed while restoring the registry from the restore point. An unspecified error occurred during System Restore. (0x80070002)
< 1406745314 906336 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais
< 1406745658 469848 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1406745667 425786 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ended up making Windows unbootable trying to get a working Visual Studio
< 1406745683 549534 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is a corrupted registry
< 1406745689 105476 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's only a very wild guess
< 1406745971 698631 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was ambivalent towards the registry but now I am close to certain that it's a bad idea
< 1406746070 829898 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, I have a thoguht
< 1406746088 838185 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the minimum number of files in /etc for which a standard Linux distribution (Ubuntu, etc.) can boot with full functionality?
< 1406746140 272327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define full functionality
< 1406746182 249409 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a typical user would assume that it was merely an uncustomized / weirdly-configured system, rather than a cut-down system
< 1406746315 114013 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start-up Repair couldn't repair your PC
< 1406746331 217839 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Press "Advanced options" to try other options to repair your PC, or "Shut down" to turn off your PC.
< 1406746344 755887 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Log file: C:\Windows\System32\Logfiles\Srt\SrtTrail.txt
< 1406746353 21365 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I now have a log file that might give a clue about what the problem is
< 1406746443 339342 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Root cause found: Unspecified changes to system configuration might have caused the problem."
< 1406746483 769149 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it tried to fix it via "", "System Restore", and "System files integrity check and repair", which failed with error codes 0x32, 0x1f, and 0x490 respectively.
< 1406746576 162687 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux side still works
< 1406746618 892681 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a backup/reinstall may be a worthwhile thing to try
< 1406746748 938682 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I wanted to ask something
< 1406746757 249567 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to ask it
< 1406746767 392626 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no backup/reinstall for me now, anyway, because I don't have backup media handy
< 1406746795 336524 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I borrowed a book on formal languages but it's not on the topic I need
< 1406746831 235432 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a book that tells more about parsers for context-free languages, like LR parsers and modified variants of it
< 1406746841 587714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you recommend a book? 
< 1406746849 964614 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone on this channel had recommended Alfred V. Aho,
< 1406746858 364942 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeffrey D. Ullman., "The theory of parsing, translation, and compiling"
< 1406746878 823087 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I haven't borrowed yet because it's summer and libraries are mostly closed, but I will probablytry
< 1406746892 874445 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you might be able to recommend something too
< 1406747023 622251 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I learned it from a book by Bornat called something like "understanding and writing compilers", but I can't remember the exact name
< 1406747030 184750 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was quite a good book, if very old
< 1406747082 204522 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the record, other possible books suggested were Alfred Vaino Aho et al, "Compilers, principles, techniques, and tools"; and Charles N. Fisher, Richard J. LeBlanc, Jr., "Crafting a compiler with C")
< 1406747107 486904 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Bornat... let me search that
< 1406747125 3058 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.eis.mdx.ac.uk/staffpages/r_bornat/ has a pdf
< 1406747149 225693 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thanks
< 1406747169 972424 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: claims to, but it appears to be a broken link
< 1406747182 10585 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no
< 1406747182 674916 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :?!
< 1406747183 274327 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? .
< 1406747184 532577 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :works for me
< 1406747194 596473 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a section link to a section that's so near the bottom of the page that no scroll is involved
< 1406747238 5712 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks about right
< 1406747239 586614 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: seems to work for me
< 1406747252 367901 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the paper version was better formatted than the PDF, I doubt b_jonas will care about that that much
< 1406747301 875093 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I do care about the formatting, but I'll still look at the pdf first to tell if this is the book I need, and will likely read it if the paper book is not available 
< 1406747806 434543 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh argh
< 1406747824 2186 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1406747825 949959 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought for a minute the book was available in a library, but no, it's a completely different maths book by the same author
< 1406747830 644253 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity
< 1406747845 370182 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. unfortunate
< 1406748136 319184 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to read some of this pdf later when I'm less tired. It seems terse but useful.
< 1406748142 90994 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_ and int-e: thanks for the hint
< 1406748589 396779 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com
< 1406749365 858480 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1406749782 110614 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406749786 381090 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406750313 430699 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt there a bot that allows shell execution?
< 1406750365 335282 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run yes no
< 1406750372 717785 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's not here.
< 1406750390 941892 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how that worked
< 1406750406 66070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UML
< 1406750422 797133 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1406750428 204890 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :user-mode linux.
< 1406750452 962945 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.
< 1406750484 730042 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that comment is more fun if you interpret it as referring to unified modelling language
< 1406750545 624890 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about: the communist party of nepal
< 1406750844 846999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.
< 1406750875 724759 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406750879 808074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go.
< 1406750892 541969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again with the not rejoining automatically.
< 1406750978 167732 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`man splain
< 1406750978 915933 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man: can't open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config
< 1406751275 240679 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "test"
< 1406751276 77344 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1406751285 816784 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sauce
< 1406751286 460898 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: sauce: not found
< 1406751290 331826 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`source
< 1406751291 22817 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: source: not found
< 1406751294 177703 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1406751465 180040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/hackbot
< 1406752429 944106 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406753143 337273 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40225&oldid=40162 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-2) 10/* (categories) */ unimplemented ➡ implemented
< 1406753188 163133 :fenris_kcf!~fenris@p4FFE4371.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART #esoteric :"ISON NickServ "
< 1406754393 910399 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1406754733 2460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Nucular 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Nyan.png10]]"
< 1406754760 16166 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406755012 622979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are pop tarts in the public domain
< 1406755163 556664 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BytePusher14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40227&oldid=39219 5* 03Nucular 5* (+313) 10New program: Nyan Cat
< 1406755262 415037 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: return ()
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< 1406757683 30872 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1406758127 34913 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1406758411 989981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-look
< 1406758412 564825 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant said 15h 39m 13s ago: Possibly, I don't remember; fizzie would know. (But then, as you said, it was never finished, so the floppies still live.)
< 1406758412 791943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 15h 16m 47s ago: NO (but see logs for details)
< 1406758654 446264 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello fellas
< 1406758668 573410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome imp9 
< 1406758669 233871 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406758669 644777 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04imp9: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 06esoterica, 13try 04#esoteric 07on 08irc.dal.net.)
< 1406758733 509941 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i apparently entered the wrong room
< 1406758739 455328 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a newbie to the max
< 1406758745 855544 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 NICK :^4
< 1406758759 2059 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :but while I'm here may I bother some of you guys with some pretty asinine questions regarding programming
< 1406758762 121999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not the first
< 1406758787 133801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh _that_ you're in the right channel for.  well if the questions are crazy enough.
< 1406758804 155037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are unusual in that you have decided to shift gears to programming rather than leaving, though :P
< 1406758823 709642 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i am a computer technician by education but my education is prepostrous and lately i've realized how much lacking I am in IT department
< 1406758825 602744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he didn't say which channel he _meant_ to join
< 1406758835 669479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh, sorry, this isn't ##php"
< 1406758846 767296 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :years of switching from IT to graphic design brought me to a place where I don't know what github even is
< 1406758848 255041 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...
< 1406758858 332111 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I fire couple questions, please?
< 1406758864 353442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a hub for gits, of course
< 1406758873 239818 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody gits
< 1406758876 259903 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :nasty buggers
< 1406758879 947014 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously fellas
< 1406758892 599758 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll start with the asinine question #1
< 1406758903 66576 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :may I?
< 1406758930 169878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. let's hope that the non-fellas in the channel aren't the ones who have the answers you sek
< 1406758960 344933 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know any programming, apart from some basic level CSS...if you can call that "programming".....so I need to start from the ground up. my question is - how the hell people know how to program
< 1406758962 484410 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :bare with me
< 1406758967 615806 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do they know how to talk to computer
< 1406758982 215136 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, computer!
< 1406758988 733844 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example Quake is my favorite game (peep my nick) and I've saw a Carmack documentary yesterday
< 1406759000 246519 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the fuck does Carmack know how to WRITE a damn engine from scratch?
< 1406759016 744784 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you write...a game engine from notepad.txt (figuratively speaking)
< 1406759023 86898 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :by having done it multiple times before, in his case
< 1406759023 831249 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't wrap my mind aroudn that.
< 1406759054 691483 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :few people can. it's too big, start smaller. much smaller.
< 1406759055 440842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by writing a bunch of calls to the operating system's graphics APIs and a bunch of math for the 3D computations.
< 1406759062 941348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :broadly speaking.
< 1406759079 896964 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that imply that Carmack in this example is a mathematical genius?
< 1406759118 268843 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he "see" the code that he writes, for example if someone writes HTML and CSS without even checking the browser?
< 1406759153 743801 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if an experienced programmer tries to write code without checking it at all on a computer, they'll make a bunch of mistakes, ranging from stupid to subtle
< 1406759160 319718 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the code will normally be approximately right
< 1406759169 560344 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but let me go one step back
< 1406759189 152477 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :carmack is pretty good at math. he mostly talks about haskell and oculus rift nowadays.
< 1406759197 492953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he tests it a lot and writes it incrementally
< 1406759200 846364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't write a game engine all in one go.
< 1406759206 465863 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :who made the language? if carmack for exampel used command "bind X bind Y" (im rambling obviously) - how does my computer KNOW what that means? how does it interpret that?
< 1406759209 704001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you write little parts of a game engine until thy work and then wire them all together.
< 1406759224 844963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's another program that tells the computer what it means.
< 1406759225 121049 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best I can describe is that as you learn programming, you assemble larger and larger building blocks (while also remembering how to make those from smaller parts - that's what you have to do when programming from the ground up). No programmer will get anything done by thinking about individual statements in isolation.
< 1406759235 593705 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imp9: programming languages are written in terms of other languages, going back through history; eventually you reach machine code, which the processor is designed to understand when it's made
< 1406759241 742291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :either by turning it into the computer's native machine code, or by being a program that interprets it as it goes.
< 1406759247 131189 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I believe every programmer has started on that level.
< 1406759260 786794 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is some heavy philosophical shit fellas, i'm excited reading this you don't even know it
< 1406759266 621512 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically, programming is about writing complex things in terms of simpler things
< 1406759272 928256 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :imp9: don't overdo it
< 1406759275 51167 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Quake existed when the first computer was made
< 1406759282 145854 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really.
< 1406759283 301071 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody knew the "code" how to make it
< 1406759284 445554 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?
< 1406759289 806568 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok sorry i got ahead of myself :D
< 1406759291 25213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're a platonist...
< 1406759296 999633 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quake couldn't have been written on the first computer, but only because it wasn't powerful enough to run it 
< 1406759297 288456 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well fuck plato.
< 1406759313 367786 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais but hypothetically if it were powerful enough
< 1406759314 599053 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you took the first computer ever and scaled it up and made it faster, you could write Quake on that
< 1406759318 757698 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a concrete version of how knowledge works elsewhere. i could talk to you about dendritic spines for hours but it wouldn't mean shit to you without some basic neuro knowhow.
< 1406759320 430860 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my philosophy. software is created, not discovered.
< 1406759339 731371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if quake did not exist, it would be necessary to invent it -- neechy, 1684
< 1406759339 961565 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably nobody would have thought of it at the time
< 1406759340 435010 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok lets go further a bit
< 1406759346 245820 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :when people say "Carmack wrote"
< 1406759357 767400 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they mean it in the same when as "Jobs made Apple"
< 1406759361 816223 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they generalize
< 1406759368 307573 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did Carmack did it himself
< 1406759369 322283 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :alone
< 1406759372 162118 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally alone
< 1406759372 353604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write a 3D engine by yourself.
< 1406759376 570370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :carmack definitely could.
< 1406759381 313510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether he did it entirely himself or not.
< 1406759384 549491 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Carmack did all of Quake alone, but it's certainly possible for one person to do most of that
< 1406759393 542076 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is he did most of it but someone else did the graphics
< 1406759400 901378 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be pretty impressive to write a book on your own too, but not impossible
< 1406759403 815216 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rare to get someone who's good both at programmign and at 3D modelling
< 1406759421 854179 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Michael Abrash was involved in the engine part of Quake. He wrote a book about it.
< 1406759428 383879 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks int
< 1406759433 658323 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole id era fascinates me
< 1406759443 860447 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tend to romanticize that era of computing
< 1406759448 954667 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming doesn't scale so well, two people will not work twice as fast as one person
< 1406759454 972050 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :being born in 84 thats pretty obvious
< 1406759478 338575 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although 100 people will collectively work much faster than 1 person if the task is easy to split up and well defined and they aren't brought onto the project at the last minute
< 1406759491 950593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mythical fella-month
< 1406759501 488267 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ah, but this is not purely about productivity, it's about having the right ideas.
< 1406759508 718442 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1406759517 741344 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, historically idea people tend to overestimate how important they are
< 1406759522 251011 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406759522 902112 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideas are important though
< 1406759561 358455 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just to make sure I'm getting it right
< 1406759568 754081 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :every movement on the screen in Quake, or any videogame
< 1406759573 494463 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :every single move
< 1406759575 613622 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :was coded
< 1406759581 949870 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :with layered graphics
< 1406759583 685696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to press enter every few words.
< 1406759583 875271 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :on top
< 1406759587 382715 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imp9: you code patterns
< 1406759590 147362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's layered graphics?
< 1406759596 871355 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you don't write separate code for moving left and for moving right
< 1406759620 724137 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you write code for moving horizontally, which will be the same for left and right just with the signs flipped (i.e. you use positive for left, negative for right, or the other way round)
< 1406759627 346485 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :slapped on top of the polygons that were made "alive" by programming? or am I misinterpreting something?
< 1406759637 171807 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then code for moving forward and backward will be slightly more different, but still quite similar
< 1406759638 32811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but you're not making much sense.
< 1406759645 721413 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Of course they both implemented their own ideas, too.
< 1406759646 449262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the philosophising is helping you here :p
< 1406759658 646036 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can I make sense I don't know what code is :D
< 1406759674 519201 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the code I ever wrote aside the css shit, was in elementary
< 1406759685 700152 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had Logo 4.0 in computer class and I drew with the turtle
< 1406759690 214871 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let code = fix ((0:) . scanl (+) 1) in code
< 1406759692 151902 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,...
< 1406759707 302302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :logo is a pretty sophisticated programming language underneath
< 1406759710 787763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a lisp dialect)
< 1406759721 25146 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes but most of the intro classes don't bother with the actual programming part of it :-(
< 1406759758 65964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I used logo as an excuse to do actual programming, once. just wrote straight up recursive numeric code in it with not a single draw call. didn't bother saying I knew how to program, just showed it off
< 1406759764 674126 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :over here, they start new programmers on a turtle graphics library which doesn't have complex lisp stuff underneath
< 1406759776 269899 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just repeat-n-times loops and nonrecursive functions 
< 1406759788 78228 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is still enough power to make the point, but really really weak
< 1406759789 536697 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. a sequence of move/draw/turn instructions isn't really programming. but you can easily use loops, recursion, etc.
< 1406759790 888393 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I need to go
< 1406759796 951154 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1406759801 40928 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais what? you serious? they really start programming teachings with logo in 2014?
< 1406759820 529914 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?\
< 1406759836 302327 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives immediate satisfaction (pictures), and it's an ok language
< 1406759873 925266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :logo is one of the best languages I can think of to start with
< 1406759876 700908 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the end, the programming language itself is not important, it's the concepts beneath. statements, loops, functions.
< 1406759879 670364 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought that C++ was the only language "real programmers" use
< 1406759887 986429 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah that's dumb
< 1406759895 562499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not true and besides beginning programmers don't need to be saddled with real-world practical bullshit
< 1406759899 549198 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :real programmers use snobol exclusively
< 1406759944 707419 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ isn't even that popular anymore. Not that C# or Java are so much nicer ... (and let's forget about PHP)
< 1406759961 562225 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but I must retract guys, you are obviously well versed in this while I'm obviously not. who made the machine code, the bare essence? does anyone have the example how does that language look like?
< 1406759988 509958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a bunch of bytes.
< 1406759993 864874 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably missing the entire concept because I was born and raised on GUI and WYSIWYG so that's how my brain works...I did use DOS, but for games only so that doesn't count.
< 1406760009 445050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you write assembly which has a bunch of text mnemonics for the basic instructions and they get turned into the raw encoded instruction bytes.
< 1406760012 872457 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The machine code is a bunch of high and low voltages (or is it high and low something else?) It's interpreted by the CPU, via ... I guess transistors encoded by doping silicon in certain ways
< 1406760014 733560 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a sure recipe for indygestion
< 1406760021 271259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs because the people at intel made hardware which reads those bytes and then acts accordingly.
< 1406760037 410781 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't help faux philosophize when I read that
< 1406760042 260659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell.
< 1406760051 201369 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that means that there are so many gems of software in my computer here
< 1406760056 865502 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :only I can't decode them LOL
< 1406760066 355154 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't make them work, but someone will, at some point.
< 1406760072 299295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um.
< 1406760078 658403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what you mean by that, but it seems to please you, so yes.
< 1406760088 833560 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cmon man, I'm not that unreasonable.
< 1406760098 63107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure! I just don't know what you mean.
< 1406760110 325684 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :imp9: I think the appropriate term is "incoherent"
< 1406760117 710641 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :encoded transistors, huh
< 1406760128 154185 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of piano. that's just keys. I can walk to a piano and hideous noise will come out if I try to play it. but someone, with the right knowledge, will make beautiful melody. and it's the same exact piano.
< 1406760132 745982 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :little does sgeo realize that i play #esoteric on my reverseable crabputer
< 1406760163 291259 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough about reversible computation to understand how that would falsify what I said
< 1406760165 449996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the CPU is the piano here and the beautiful melody is a program that actually works, then sure, I guess.
< 1406760166 431442 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I mean, the keys on the piano are just sitting there
< 1406760176 426293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. yes they are.
< 1406760184 468357 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an ascii art of a llizard (don't ask) sitting at a piano, asking "So... which button do I press to get this thing going?"
< 1406760191 874913 :ZuuGates!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :ZuuTorvalds
< 1406760192 99894 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :D
< 1406760204 989984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the keys are all yours, imp9. welcome to your new home
< 1406760209 511433 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1406760211 915017 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there are no transistors in my crabputer
< 1406760216 913875 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is made out of crabs
< 1406760217 326549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, do you know a guy called itidus20?
< 1406760224 470050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd get along well
< 1406760226 133415 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :who, me?
< 1406760231 212423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1406760231 905927 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I insstalled xchat 2 days ago
< 1406760237 983822 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming is easier than playing the piano. you can take all the time you want.
< 1406760238 314614 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly well acquianted on IRC
< 1406760248 152149 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you could do reverseable computing with transistors though
< 1406760257 926570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: not a fan of john cage, I take it
< 1406760258 665109 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of don't want to remember CMOS enough to be sure
< 1406760261 401016 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: programming may be more like composing music for a pinao
< 1406760263 312350 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :piano
< 1406760279 295406 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can take all the time you want with that too. Playing would be more like... manual interpretation?
< 1406760289 730974 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that analogy is good too, yea
< 1406760294 838693 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: even with 4'37" the timing is of utmost importance
< 1406760301 649780 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 33"
< 1406760307 779819 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1406760315 615282 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've googles
< 1406760316 351075 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
< 1406760317 218878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the extended mix is so much better.
< 1406760327 829024 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking you these questions because I fell into career crisis lately and when I see what am I missing and how many things I don't know about, it makes my head hurt
< 1406760328 654676 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imp9: but with computers, you would get the piano to play the sheet music by itself. Or get the piano to turn the sheet music into a different kind of sheet music that the piano could play by itself.
< 1406760342 330270 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i prefer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6ZRKfZ-eHk
< 1406760345 906003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: see, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Slow_as_Possible
< 1406760368 515788 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Damn, now I'm imagining the cacophony of playing the source code of, say, Firefox ;-)
< 1406760371 354936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imp9: some of the people involved in inventing the basic ideas used for computing were geniuses by all measures.  like von neumann who got the idea of putting the program of a computer in the same memory as its data.  that would have been one of the first machine codes.
< 1406760403 988431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkp376ZcToc
< 1406760419 841765 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god what the fuck is nightcore
< 1406760423 174573 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it something to do with anime
< 1406760433 596730 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :these damn computers man....I mean I'm desensitized by em, everyone is, people are just using them like owens, and they're the greatest damn tools ever made on earth
< 1406760434 688228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's exactly like regular core but at night
< 1406760439 257820 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1406760454 800933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :owens??
< 1406760455 584229 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :good god my father played with clay cowboys and indians and here we are now 50 years later...
< 1406760475 226816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers very existed in 1964
< 1406760481 463718 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: sped up and modified music. Often associated with anime-ish women because who knows
< 1406760485 930719 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :figuratively 50 years ago :)
< 1406760503 265392 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google... "Nightcore is the glorified term to describe the style of speeding up Eurodance, Hands Up and Trance, emerged in the mid 2000s[12] on YouTube. It is characterized by a tempo of between 160 and 180 beats per minute[13] with high-pitched vocal. It is originated by the Norwegian DJ duo of the same name back in 2002"
< 1406760509 845677 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, thanks, but no thanks.
< 1406760515 828320 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glorified
< 1406760519 818429 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :feeling the glorty here
< 1406760541 829941 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(source: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/subcultures/nightcore )
< 1406760554 656197 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :night of the long cores
< 1406760570 691269 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ nightcore, dear lord who listen to this at home haha
< 1406760575 791737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: anime-ish?
< 1406760583 600815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"she's only, like, 46% anime"
< 1406760598 729504 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is music for people who see 256 colors
< 1406760684 46624 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can someone learn to program without formal education?
< 1406760690 104889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1406760690 513977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : [...] when I see what am I missing and how many things I don't know about, it makes my head hurt <-- that applies to everyone, no matter what they are doing.  no exceptions.
< 1406760696 865629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I self-taught programming starting at 8.
< 1406760715 415084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also quit formal education in general not too long after that.)
< 1406760727 53315 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm old as hell I feel I could never catch up
< 1406760738 492923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old?
< 1406760744 739453 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :bout to turn 30 soon
< 1406760751 573030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not old. oerjan is way older than you.
< 1406760762 336112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even fizzie is older than you, I think. (did he ever turn 30?)
< 1406760780 517888 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :still I need to catch up....my skills now have no intrinsic value
< 1406760788 113874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were in your 40s or 50s then the programming job market might be less friendly to you, sure.
< 1406760803 160494 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1406760803 626868 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages
< 1406760810 691871 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck graphic design, it's replacable, unless you're Jon Ive level deeply embedded in a corporation like Apple, you're just a material
< 1406760812 190120 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406760846 712988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've had a guy here who was even older than me.  that cobol guy, btiggins or whatever.
< 1406760849 316411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most programmers are fungible, too.
< 1406760855 890618 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that programming is any different.
< 1406760859 107609 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody values my work and I'm sick of having presenting it to clients who tell me "oh let me get back when my wife says what she thinks about it"
< 1406760863 332365 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1406760874 381112 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you deploy a program, nobody's wife will make suggestions
< 1406760883 304647 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :"can you please clean up that last part of code, that would be sweet"
< 1406760885 542062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they will.
< 1406760895 106702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're telling programmers you know more about what programming is like than them...?
< 1406760904 878374 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no ... sorry not trying to be like that
< 1406760918 508538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an lot of professional programming is just collaborative doing what you're told. like most professional things
< 1406760965 931790 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't be about colors, but you will get bug reports, feature requests, complaints that your software is stupid and claims that 6 year olds write better code than you do.
< 1406760971 665008 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok not trying to argue that...but if you go freelance as a programmer...I think you are way more valued than someone like me who does graphics
< 1406760993 543122 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :because everyone and their momma thinks they know graphics, or photography, or any other similar prostituted artform of the new millenium
< 1406761010 225271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're a contractor, then you're still doing what people tell you to do.
< 1406761022 408124 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why isn't this working?" "That's what you told us it should do" <--paraphrase of conversations that have occured way too often
< 1406761030 22058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to program something off the top of your head and get rich off it, well, you can make an iPhone game and get lucky or something.
< 1406761047 126746 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm honestly not thinking about money
< 1406761049 638328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming is more invisible than graphic design anyway.
< 1406761053 498077 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :just my values, my skillset
< 1406761062 885913 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes thats true but programming is everything
< 1406761067 583773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everonye can see that a graphic designer makes pretty things with their skill
< 1406761068 758907 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not when there are highly visible bugs, it's not invisible
< 1406761075 977947 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol sgeo
< 1406761092 841238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not invisible when software just works either, but people don't think about the programming that goes into things usually.
< 1406761116 30605 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why programmers can have better rates, i think that's obvious
< 1406761127 6870 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can find graphic designer right now if you look outside your window
< 1406761132 257551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that.
< 1406761175 53856 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :outside my window is trees and dead rabbits
< 1406761189 649480 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1406761203 949094 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :if those rabbits were alive man... :D
< 1406761211 799359 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :imp9: you might find http://worrydream.com/MagicInk/ interesting
< 1406761241 110097 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a behemoth article, what's the scoop, what's it about?
< 1406761252 294602 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts with an abstract
< 1406761308 284216 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, to me as a programmer, it's about how programmers produce bad user interfaces because they are not thinking about information like normal people.
< 1406761340 989340 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how graphic designers ought to help them out.
< 1406761350 88456 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is all about collaborations, synthesis and all that...Jobs and Woz, Gates and Allen, Carmack and Romero etc :D
< 1406761373 284983 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of those fellas would be anything if  they went DIY route
< 1406761379 547004 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :they would probably all be bums
< 1406761404 468557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really are like itidus.
< 1406761432 744260 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's that man and why am I being occused of being him?
< 1406761443 67304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say you are him. just you're alike.
< 1406761453 881790 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever considered exhibiting a matrix of solidity
< 1406761454 829457 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :run a check on me, I'm a douche from croatia europe wandering about things I know nothing about haha
< 1406761460 962411 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :a what?
< 1406761472 826220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway attributing programs, or things in general, to the work of single geniuses is generally not a great way at looking at entire subjects, or history in general.
< 1406761473 29139 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a matrix of solidity
< 1406761514 670575 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you mean bike, and I've googled that term with no direct results so... *kanye shrug*
< 1406761525 214108 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck matrix of solidity
< 1406761525 863327 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information
< 1406761535 160769 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot I just watched Pirates of Silicon Valley few days ago - and I can only agree
< 1406761541 985515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Man_theory and so on.
< 1406761555 852437 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Movieposterposv.jpg oh jesus.
< 1406761573 340754 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this "winners write the history books" type of theory?
< 1406761581 298349 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an obvious one, ain't it
< 1406761586 503354 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1406761600 37909 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "history is driven by a bunch of single dudes and i do mean dudes who are magically awesome"
< 1406761613 271903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's talking about jobs and woz and gates and allen and garmack and romero like they're the only people on earth involved in making the things they're famous for
< 1406761643 153679 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is about everyone at ID, if we're talkin about Quake
< 1406761656 592090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we? I can't even tell any more.
< 1406761658 353790 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it cannot be denied that, in this case, Carmack pulled the most weight
< 1406761666 816838 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was the Michael Jordan of ID
< 1406761667 264107 :^4!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1406761682 864212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not a comparison I would have thought of myself.
< 1406761689 506199 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iD was known early on for a Super Mario clone.
< 1406761704 949724 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did certainly not look for a new perspective on life on IRC ;-)
< 1406761712 32093 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involved some pretty clever programming, and also was a super mario clone
< 1406761720 942366 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dave?
< 1406761723 412633 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1406761735 563593 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :well everything is a copy of something, if that's what you mean
< 1406761741 995074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: doesn't that just make imp9 the mike tyson of using a computer?
< 1406761752 949185 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you understand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj4HJkeQSg0
< 1406761762 483797 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what? he hasn't bitten off any ears yet, I think
< 1406761774 501988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :speak for yourself.
< 1406761789 885894 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know they were sued
< 1406761796 718400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the ? blocks doing nothing is so beautifully sad
< 1406761801 830750 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inorite
< 1406761808 757332 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they weren't sued, that's just what they called it
< 1406761852 666362 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1406761854 900795 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to think of myself as the hypatia of using computers
< 1406761869 744043 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much like the whole PARC thing with jobs and gates, right?
< 1406761878 450782 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the what
< 1406761892 361225 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :when Jobs snatched gui from parc
< 1406761899 584790 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1406761910 154441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to think of myself as the gandhi of sleeping.
< 1406761911 256 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody remembers them anymore (parc guys)
< 1406761914 854589 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just meant these people steal all kindsa shit and generally can't do shit by themselves
< 1406761939 658600 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how it goes I guess...
< 1406761957 645153 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat the path
< 1406761970 139106 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parc guys had the chance to make their project go live when they pitched it to Xerox HQ in NY...but they probably lacked Jobs' reality distortion skills or something
< 1406762001 748863 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see that's the kind of thing i mean. reality distortion skills? he's a human being
< 1406762013 310209 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not anymore
< 1406762019 224293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbf, jobs was very charismatic (and brutal)
< 1406762020 744524 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao damn!
< 1406762030 848172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly a role model though
< 1406762032 979997 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :jobs, in my opinion, was nuts
< 1406762040 736669 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he had sociopathic tendencies
< 1406762048 60192 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1406762065 48010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he always seemed like a pretty awful person to work for.
< 1406762068 210483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :made a lot of money though
< 1406762069 252605 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way the Jobs movie was awful
< 1406762075 381785 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :he and pretty much everybody else in upper management.
< 1406762119 206286 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have to admit until I saw Pirates movie, I never realized how damn exciting and dare I say - epic - those 80s were in computer era...really fascinating decade
< 1406762142 841280 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless that movie was in rhyming couplets you are forbidden from calling it epic
< 1406762145 371080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :steve jobs for the win
< 1406762164 574555 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew I didnt have to use that word
< 1406762167 33153 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry :D
< 1406762184 162239 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :epic failure
< 1406762190 518778 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :scnr
< 1406762197 648327 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did it for the lulz
< 1406762283 744012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at all the lulz we're having together
< 1406762294 893286 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :we avin a laff mate :)
< 1406762300 232524 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i already compared myself to someone with my skin removed
< 1406762300 993801 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: lulz?
< 1406762301 315484 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: we let him do that because evolving the browser environment above a certain level of support is required to understand the " functions"
< 1406762323 661870 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right on topic. fungot is marvellous sometimes.
< 1406762323 913014 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so inherently it's bad. what's worse is it was the number of functions in
< 1406762330 1620 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if you're that interested you might like reading some biographical material, like Coders at Work. something less apotheosistic than anything relating to jobs
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< 1406762358 751239 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll find that a lot of Important Programmers got into it because they flunked a math class or weren't very good at jazz or whatever
< 1406762369 977400 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is apotheosistic a word, oh well
< 1406762393 549291 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha i was just googling that word, apparently it isnt :D
< 1406762396 328139 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halcyon_Days_%28book%29 hey, this one's free
< 1406762414 501410 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apotheosizing
< 1406762418 557263 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :introduction by romero oh my
< 1406762419 54437 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it is. I don't know what it means, but it is a fine word nonetheless. I like words.
< 1406762454 382181 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apotheosis_of_George_Washington.jpg this is apotheosis
< 1406762469 366947 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any essential documentary on these subjects?
< 1406762472 829186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :romero is just a guy, y'know. he has hair and a wife. he showers regularly and eats food every day. probably.
< 1406762496 517961 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :romero has a lot of hair, in fact
< 1406762499 431289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1406762503 998452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read romero's hair care tips
< 1406762505 557009 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's not just a guy, he made a mark on the entertainment industry, not exactly what everyone can claim :)
< 1406762523 622331 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol he does have a majestic hair, almost unfair amount of follicular majesty 
< 1406762531 340385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, he did things. he's still just a guy. making idols of people doesn't really get anyone anywhere
< 1406762555 990758 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though, coders at work is good, even though the publisher is kind of noticeably shitty. it even has interviews with... women
< 1406762559 230632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure my hair is longer than romero's. life achievements
< 1406762574 226119 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike LOL
< 1406762624 887536 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a doom documentary on the tube...why doesn't quake get the love...the best damn video game of all time
< 1406762661 509116 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: did you accept the trade offer?
< 1406762682 121829 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you signed off too fast!
< 1406762747 631311 :imp9!~imp9@224-95.dsl.iskon.hr PRIVMSG #esoteric :im out
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< 1406762758 553901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw, but I was having fun.
< 1406762772 737118 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good move, now I can sleep. :P
< 1406762776 936532 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I didn't, I had to make supper and eat. I know, I'm selfish...
< 1406762791 177689 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: sign back on so you can get a portal 2
< 1406762811 362176 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in about half an hour. food is being included in me.
< 1406762846 234313 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could be has happenedening while it eats
< 1406762855 839100 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION chokes
< 1406762861 127149 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“happenedening”?
< 1406762861 316685 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this weird urge to act as a marathon fanboy...
< 1406762875 222925 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you'd choke on "it"
< 1406762885 76549 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a knight of ni.
< 1406762895 569526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : `addquote  i thought you'd choke on "it"
< 1406762918 625038 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good one
< 1406762922 637644 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtle.
< 1406762958 111092 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't mind if you did add it though. but you probably would.
< 1406762967 430421 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo no bot
< 1406762968 76341 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bot
< 1406762975 823247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not actually funny.
< 1406762985 452194 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you had an extra space though
< 1406762987 293656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: \x20
< 1406762990 891140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1406762992 321891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :intentional
< 1406762998 813643 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is a grumpy dadaist.
< 1406763006 716272 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nada
< 1406763024 886156 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i lol'd a bit. but it wouldn't be funny out of this context, i agree.
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< 1406766099 294809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome back
< 1406766402 467979 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone for some ridiculous feature abuse?
< 1406766443 125822 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone NOT for some ridiculous feature abuse!?@
< 1406766451 500884 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( let foo = "bar" in getNamedVar "foo"
< 1406766451 690300 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04"bar" : 12String
< 1406766474 543291 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's very... perl? weird
< 1406766539 541593 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses a reflected tactic to look for the right thing in the environment. Only statically-known variable name strings will work.
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< 1406766592 161846 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Lambda: the Gathering14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40228&oldid=40224 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+50) 10unsigned
< 1406766617 934645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's horrifying
< 1406766664 811589 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took me a day to get it working, too.
< 1406766820 726619 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn’t actually break anything, all it does in the end is have the compiler fill in the actual variable in question.
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< 1406769629 122356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (my _last_ answer was of course something trivial which just popped up and i couldn't resist because it would put me over 2000) <-- of _course_ this had to ironically end up as my most upvoted SO answer so far...
< 1406769679 167983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one?
< 1406769760 104439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the newtype Maybe a one
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< 1406769819 541993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, that one
< 1406769853 62442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the one you thought was so unclear i shouldn't have answered it?
< 1406769888 296529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never said you shouldn't have answered it
< 1406769907 85712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good *puts swatter back down*
< 1406769923 203706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you get a balloon to swat me with?
< 1406769959 856900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
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< 1406770974 727945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a Gregor in the house.  i believe he has a message.
< 1406774003 561931 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah, think soon i'll have to update my ubuntu LTS
< 1406774044 777785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know mormon were linux based
< 1406774047 50745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1406774062 344363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :puns are so bad when you misread a letter
< 1406774070 197550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also leave one out
< 1406774095 855915 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :latter tahg saints?
< 1406774220 144709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know minecraft had saints either
< 1406774370 125972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did minecraft come from?
< 1406774423 24641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just google tahg hth
< 1406774447 532780 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :minecraft came from hell
< 1406774636 944050 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws70oI3yMBc
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< 1406778000 448296 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, DotA vs League of Legends is reminding me a bit of NetHack vs some other roguelikes (Crawl and Brogue), in that the former supposedly tends to require more knowledge not immediately present in the UI for effective play
< 1406778065 899122 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're saying in dota you can determine the nature of a ring by dropping it down a sink.
< 1406778095 179421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is that a primitive form of caller id
< 1406778105 377331 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's a pun i'm not getting it
< 1406778128 146646 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, anyone here play dorfs? i am, swear to god, having trouble understanding how to navigate the help menu
< 1406778135 300066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nature of a ring" [heh heh heh]
< 1406778283 837956 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: sounds Fun
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< 1406780114 217057 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I like reading about dorfs
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< 1406790017 733725 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not possible to have a NUL-terminated UTF-32 string, is it?
< 1406790044 174397 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess codepoint 0 could terminate. Just NULL-terminated wouldn't work
< 1406791456 951477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could terminate a big-endian UTF-32 string with a single byte, if you liked.
< 1406791492 992546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a 0, but e.g. ff, since the code points only go up to 0x0010ffff.
< 1406791497 299903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be kind of hacky, though.
< 1406791574 802609 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes, codepoint 0 as terminator would be natural
< 1406791590 74754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's usually better to use an explicit length (or end pointer)
< 1406791602 486722 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it comes with fewer bugs and usually easier code these days
< 1406791628 246509 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wha sort of data structures do word processors use? What about many years ago (e.g. what did Word 1.0 use)?
< 1406792146 188222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ropes are not uncommon in editors, or so I've heard.
< 1406792175 12760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also gotten the vague impression that whatever's under the hood in LibreOffice is something quite paragraph-oriented.
< 1406793214 440561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: for a good time terminate it with a single byte and put that byte right at the end of a page
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< 1406796173 408062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why do you have three bytes of padding at the start of your memory block?" "So that I could put the terminating byte right at the end of a page."
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< 1406801992 781214 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
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< 1406802778 736508 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ropes"?
< 1406802828 862011 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1406802830 629094 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :trees
< 1406802831 806672 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
< 1406802853 771047 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“"Ropes"?”?
< 1406803337 425587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the string type?
< 1406803541 303775 :ZuuTorvalds!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :ZuuJobs
< 1406804462 706701 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1406804466 610304 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tree type
< 1406804470 161337 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a tree
< 1406804472 359135 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for strings
< 1406804474 709935 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still a tree
< 1406804809 199100 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is tempted to mine CthulhuCoins https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=294383.0
< 1406804901 867059 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins
< 1406804908 532732 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02catcombcoin 06selfcoin 13peracoin 04alboxybeatnikcoin 07mcnecoin 08dislacoin 09negrcoin 02ctcoin 06musivecoin 13braincoin 04ztendidncoin 07perfectorcoin 08d1ffcoin 09poetercecoin 02beuvecoin 06inspooncoin 13befortlecoin 04kmancoin 071932coin 08ortecoin
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< 1406806074 18036 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: analog: not found
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< 1406806081 72390 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :part is to thia as squef is to hamplique
< 1406806085 374607 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :only took me about half an hour to get it working :D
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< 1406810408 633429 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like some advice!
< 1406810443 234547 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a function doesn't pass the fairbairn threshold but the implementation is not obvious, what should I do
< 1406810481 94437 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, I'm only using this function once
< 1406810532 489894 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's pretty firmly on the "remove" side of things
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< 1406815903 509790 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:TieSoul14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40229&oldid=40163 5* 03TieSoul 5* (+358) 10List of languages I've implemented
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< 1406817331 292014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello from the As-sembly.
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< 1406818900 969306 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`analogy
< 1406818904 760951 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eight is to upgn as vam is to edney
< 1406818917 101959 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who made that dictionary?
< 1406818957 737044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did hth
< 1406818985 561053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Hoover did `words.
< 1406819001 170438 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant words
< 1406819002 656962 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :upgn?
< 1406819028 891852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's statistical models for you.
< 1406819043 349452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's trigrams.
< 1406819086 76126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :'pgn' sounds slightly unlikely, but sometimes the source dicts have abbrevs too.
< 1406819141 337748 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --help
< 1406819142 38456 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: words [-dhNo] [DATASETS...] [NUMBER_OF_WORDS] \  \ options: \   -l, --list             list valid datasets \   -d, --debug            debugging output \   -N, --dont-normalize   don't normalize frequencies when combining \                          multiple Markov models; this has the effect \                          of making larger dataset
< 1406819161 85597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from google, "fairbairn threshold" seems like a haskell/agda community thing
< 1406819187 984064 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words -l
< 1406819189 184349 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :valid datasets: --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --french --german --hebrew --russian --spanish --irish --german-medical --bulgarian --catalan --swedish --brazilian --canadian-english-insane --manx --italian --ogerman --portuguese --polish --gaelic --finnish --norwegian --esolangs \ default: --eng-1M
< 1406819196 77907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that was in response to Taneb in the logs
< 1406819292 683429 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it's "if a name of a function is about as long as its definition, ask yourself is it really worth having a name?" roughly
< 1406819301 444441 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask edwardk 
< 1406819312 738862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did get the gist of the definition
< 1406819322 560913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just didn't seem like a very widespread term
< 1406819323 498182 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1406819335 30049 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fairbairn
< 1406819339 288429 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk, where does the Fairbain threshold come from?
< 1406819343 744744 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who was Fairbairn?
< 1406819349 405028 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an early discussion on the libraries mailing list
< 1406819356 189261 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :about naming a simple composition
< 1406819369 882819 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he pointed out that it was better to have smaller combinators that folks could put together
< 1406819375 825153 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :than to name all the pairs of combinators
< 1406819380 698495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then, does "fairbairn threshold" cross the fairbairn threshold?
< 1406819391 612575 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the latter is a less compositional vocabulary and it drives users to look up the solution in the dictionary
< 1406819400 590128 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :causing you to grow the dictionary further
< 1406819438 912547 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand if you have simple compositional higher order functions then you get units of highly reusable functionality and don't cram the namespace full of trivial compositions
< 1406819470 273340 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :anywyas jon fairbairn has been around in the haskell community a long time, maybe 15 years or so, but he's kinda idle these days
< 1406819498 752152 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1406819504 544641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he's responsible for killing equating, basically.
< 1406819510 974395 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use his threshold as a sort of litmus test to prevent core library explosion
< 1406819525 860323 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i rather think of it as he's responsible for driving the creation of on
< 1406819534 304627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1406819541 735619 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have been misusing the threshold slightly
< 1406819551 776190 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm personally okay with the addition of equating if only because it crosses another threshold
< 1406819563 122750 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point at which telling people no is taking more time than just adding the fucking thing
< 1406819576 427482 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been calling that the co-"Fairbairn" threshold ;)
< 1406819597 684279 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the whole point of the former was to save people time, then there is a point at which we're in net productivity loss the other way too ;)
< 1406819621 443750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1406819649 831718 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tend to re-evaluate my stance on something when it gets reinvented over and over every few months by different people
< 1406819666 545075 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :because obviously there is something there -- a need we arent satisfying
< 1406819677 59913 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not at a local optimum, something wants to pull us along a gradient
< 1406819757 272909 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did “co-” come from in the first place?
< 1406819776 102518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lens does not obey the afirbairn threshold :)
< 1406819785 849550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I can't type.
< 1406819793 760922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to mention lens
< 1406819815 780474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, it does mostly obey it, it's just that it has to macro-expand the definition of the compositional language that is its operators.
< 1406819822 326484 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :lens is all about building a compositional vocabulary -- it just chose a bigger grain size
< 1406819840 103064 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and morphology has structure to it
< 1406819844 77008 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, most of the operators are my fault
< 1406819848 349771 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way that most of these one off things don't
< 1406819861 808294 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i blame taneb for everything
< 1406819864 813149 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm totally innocent
< 1406819866 265694 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I wanted <<+~ for a thing and I got slightly carried away
< 1406819874 494117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is morphology what we're calling optics now?
< 1406819875 820039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the other libraries have some of that too, like _ M A
< 1406819911 445036 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nah, just meaning the structure inside the name of a thing.     the fact that our naming conventions agglutinate like prefixes and suffixes, etc.
< 1406819916 674060 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t preview
< 1406819917 864860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1406819918 202056 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadReader s m => Getting (First a) s a -> m (Maybe a)
< 1406819920 710586 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t view . pre
< 1406819922 87574 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadReader s m => Getting (First a) s a -> m (Maybe a)
< 1406819924 216219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, morphology kinda works as a name for optics.
< 1406819930 395236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorta.
< 1406819956 932469 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been spending a lot of time with lenses in a more general categorical setting
< 1406819969 132177 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :isos on natural transformations are pretty awesome
< 1406819979 343387 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :emember all the quantified lens stuff we couldn't say?
< 1406819987 394052 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :bam, easy.
< 1406819991 252378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kinda stuff?
< 1406820010 223976 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :take plated, now go write something that walks a syntax tree and takes statements to statements, expressions to expressions
< 1406820022 479969 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :or which preserves types
< 1406820033 848699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's not and say I did :)
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< 1406823538 916349 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. so words doesn't use a dictionary?
< 1406823549 656419 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-1m
< 1406823551 130179 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spithwachardli
< 1406823629 961850 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would make sense to use a language model kind of how fungot does right?
< 1406823630 470305 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that's nice. you mean to simply pass the arguments to the call to call/ cc isn't a time machine module that returns the list?
< 1406823700 679834 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be much easier for german
< 1406823705 86960 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just give a base dictionary
< 1406823716 873261 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then mix words together to construct compound words
< 1406823722 450234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does exactly what fungot does.
< 1406823722 649788 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's what i used
< 1406823736 738535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except in characters and not words.
< 1406823742 330628 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flaschenhundsammelbeckenreinigungsfachmann
< 1406823760 661804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some minor other differences.
< 1406823804 736383 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bottle dog collector tub cleaning specialist
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< 1406825162 41690 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys
< 1406825249 160066 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dutch also does that. Autobandenwieldopjesverzamelaarsbeurskaartjes is car tyre valve collectors' exchange tickets.
< 1406825604 793650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish, unsurprisingly.
< 1406825636 512374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though also with inflection, up to some degree.
< 1406827175 998107 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1406827626 772565 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1406827773 964511 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words
< 1406827775 632600 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pritonio
< 1406827781 254775 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 10
< 1406827782 685328 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :usur atlan pxcelief oling eductor prainer moniah cochoppa villa poul
< 1406827804 515926 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat words
< 1406827804 754269 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: words: No such file or directory
< 1406827807 859334 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/words
< 1406827808 780513 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl \ use strict; use warnings; \ use v5.10; \ use open qw( :encoding(UTF-8) :std); \ use File::Basename 'dirname'; \ use Storable 'retrieve'; \ use List::Util qw(sum min); \ use Getopt::Long qw(:config gnu_getopt); \ BEGIN { \     eval { \         require Math::Random::MT::Perl; Math::Random::MT::Perl->import('rand'); \     }; \ #wa
< 1406827816 495377 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste bin/words
< 1406827817 284678 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/words
< 1406827823 156924 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have python?
< 1406827831 672629 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1406827833 640813 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python --version
< 1406827834 263455 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python 2.7.3
< 1406827837 380907 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you add such large files?
< 1406827844 408007 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1406827844 727775 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1406827856 397827 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1406827858 181408 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1406827860 453479 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1406827966 478293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The `fetch has been occasionally broken.
< 1406828003 541588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't  know about current state.
< 1406828090 548948 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1406828133 497364 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406828147 935885 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1406828189 628091 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406828208 874697 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --german
< 1406828210 397760 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorken
< 1406828215 374357 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --german 10
< 1406828216 645327 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ausgesches quotenbetrieb großes vivo ungspolitätisch tantermorperan rechnungsplani öylen ficingabe frei
< 1406828257 500831 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1406828287 236769 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --german 10
< 1406828288 508592 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hanienspekt extaufklärung vötigesundspitz hangendestielte reierudenkorreprac capitzers portelleticschwulfarbeschutz schenkvorrieder unbedürfnisinummis dnl
< 1406828299 126973 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406828321 55671 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1406828349 793172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --german --finnish 10  # one of its best features
< 1406828351 216747 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :antabunktiv reuzstr geburyholh rach hefessalle sämmänä geograahekser sachtetesi terik ethalustel
< 1406828448 558652 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1406828597 956553 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406828601 738780 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --german-medical 10
< 1406828602 620532 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bewegungen adrezifisch glycetamin hyperidenomenfall pioidtumphase resierteropium expresensitiere anspuffiziös hyperationen explageburs
< 1406828636 952897 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat.
< 1406828826 475624 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1406828840 736980 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls share/WordData
< 1406828841 392116 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brazilian \ Bulgarian \ CanadianEnglishInsane \ Catalan \ Eng1M \ EngAll \ EngFiction \ EngGb \ EngUs \ Esolangs \ Finnish \ French \ Gaelic \ German \ GermanMedical \ Hebrew \ Irish \ Italian \ Manx \ Norwegian \ Ogerman \ Polish \ Portuguese \ Russian \ Spanish \ Swedish
< 1406829034 368963 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't just chain german nouns though
< 1406829046 947211 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the -s- that sometimes must be squished in
< 1406829049 563944 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and case
< 1406829056 216210 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the -s- is regional
< 1406829242 405453 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also -n-.
< 1406829447 302158 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406829523 381957 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rinderkennzeichnungs-_und_Rindfleischetikettierungs%C3%BCberwachungsaufgaben%C3%BCbertragungsgesetz
< 1406829525 72344 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406830006 263711 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the -n-?
< 1406830022 419608 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1406830027 56592 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :aufgaben
< 1406830066 297192 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess these are actually just case endings
< 1406830067 276854 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that’s strictly a plural -n.
< 1406830070 300667 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-s is genitive
< 1406830074 534171 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and -n is plural
< 1406830085 185987 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verrechnung-s-steuer
< 1406830102 543464 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In “Sonnenstrahl” however, the -n is historical genitive IIRC.
< 1406830104 804967 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the steuer of the verrechnung
< 1406830121 518047 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Verrechnungs Steuer" really means the Steuer of the Verrechnung
< 1406830162 797634 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, “Verrechnung” is its own genitive form, nowadays anyway.
< 1406830173 621726 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really?
< 1406830198 575954 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Des Verrechnung Steuer sounds weird
< 1406830232 831388 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :“der Verrechnung” – -ung nouns are feminine.
< 1406830254 914729 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. yeah
< 1406830284 113598 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :genitive for feminine nouns sounds weird
< 1406830286 154381 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e.
< 1406830288 669056 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Des Mannes Koffer
< 1406830293 155160 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Der Frau Koffer <- ??
< 1406830307 477054 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :help i'm trying to find the original source of the comic graph of "physics knowledge vs. how much sense the universe makes". i'm pretty sure it's SMBC, or if not that, then xkcd, but I can't find it
< 1406830314 873577 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the genitive that way is rare in the first place.
< 1406830324 771213 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for names.
< 1406830362 944490 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was born without a genitive :)
< 1406830379 512823 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(swiss dialects generally lack genitive)
< 1406830407 124768 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Der Koffer der Frau is a perfect sentence though
< 1406830413 816826 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :They use the dative instead, no?
< 1406830426 785341 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in swiss german you'd say "Der Koffer von der Frau"
< 1406830489 902060 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means you cant answer to question like "Welches Auto" with just "Papas"
< 1406830500 869295 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to say "dem Papa seines"
< 1406830523 956803 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Dative.
< 1406830538 856650 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "em papi siis" to put it into real swiss german ;)
< 1406830578 14981 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :german is lacking a neutral "unbestimmter Artikel" though
< 1406830588 716862 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ein/eine is all you guys have ;)
< 1406830597 578284 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(officially)
< 1406830633 299891 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've heard your definition of "obwohl" is broken, too.
< 1406830642 55054 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :“indefinite article” is the English term.
< 1406830671 536079 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what besides ein/eine/ein would we have? And what would you say “obwohl” means?
< 1406830678 47940 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Obwohl ich zur Bank ging, war sie geschlossen."
< 1406830684 58572 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never.
< 1406830705 192193 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody said, this wouldn't imply that the speaker expects the bank to open just for him
< 1406830717 826279 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That’s what it sounds like to me.
< 1406830755 909268 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me it's sounds like the speaker expects the bank to open for him
< 1406830757 55102 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1406830760 728577 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1406830764 380270 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ich ging zur Bank, obwohl sie geschlossen war"
< 1406830770 879882 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is - to him - the same thing
< 1406830782 407906 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1406830784 25779 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me it implies that you knew that it was closed
< 1406830788 404862 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you chose to go anyway
< 1406830801 733725 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1406830921 955062 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I don’t know about your informant, but I would consider the first example to imply that the speaker expects the bank to be open just because he went there.
< 1406831761 863010 :imp9!~imp9@170-62.dsl.iskon.hr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406832250 839103 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I told him :)
< 1406832696 244245 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-174-197-32.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406833027 533689 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... My phone randomly rebooted and then went into a boot loop (in the boot loader, didn't even get to the kernel logo). Had to remove the battery and put it back in to fix that. How strange
< 1406833061 216699 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
< 1406833355 365979 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406833426 523534 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: g2g
< 1406833475 320052 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems more likely that the speaker has trouble with the subtleties of the German language.
< 1406833554 736498 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This was my first reaction, "this sounds off, what is the intended meaning likely to be?")
< 1406835462 582508 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406835482 511936 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what, I'm going to make a stack-based arbitrary-dimension language, because there seems to be a lack of that (with the exception of BeQunge)
< 1406835499 7400 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I just really enjoy multi-dimensional languages
< 1406835851 150185 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an encoding problem
< 1406835866 100607 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1406835919 6082 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy enough to do computation in many dimensions
< 1406835929 40158 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :notation
< 1406835930 239095 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1406835949 972272 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will be done by putting the 2,3,4,5...-dimensional coordinates before the line
< 1406835953 381383 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Dimensifuck
< 1406836168 975274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the time-honored Assembly tradition, nothing is working right here.
< 1406836268 27503 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1406836310 299339 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/tcsF1mXcInau1cr5ftKZ/ < what I'm planning for the language. Feedback?
< 1406836517 407353 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I forgot, new lines are denoted by ascii character 10
< 1406836521 34382 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406836846 589801 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand
< 1406837037 315913 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :What don't you understand?
< 1406837189 907259 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how it works
< 1406837222 111537 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it doesn't
< 1406837231 543164 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever "it" is.
< 1406837378 500117 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean the dimension thing?
< 1406837384 386463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins
< 1406837385 653637 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04wabetcoin 07jrowncoin 08aracketlancoin 09feracoin 02brbcoin 06smdcoin 13bubcoin 04bfjousiccoin 07devebantumbraidicoin 08producoin 09cicsends.jscoin 02gorycoin 06kayarcoin 13mkbcoin 04indecoin 07sumercoin 08grotorcoin 09minuongshawcoin 02self-brokeryedumberckcoin 06bitcoin
< 1406837420 241134 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a 3-dimensional program, and the first line is on 3D coordinate 1, you can do
< 1406837427 411022 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :0,1 (program)
< 1406837468 772463 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1406837471 877562 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :0,1 (line)
< 1406837496 396194 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :then when you make another line, it will be on coords 1,1 if you don't specify anything
< 1406837503 663469 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've described a syntax, but what are the semantics?
< 1406837512 280229 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/tcsF1mXcInau1cr5ftKZ/
< 1406837518 886779 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1406837524 795942 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I've read
< 1406837532 816791 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I clearly don't know what semantics means
< 1406837562 79838 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens when the program is executed?
< 1406837590 183866 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I haven't gotten that far yet
< 1406837610 903727 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there'll an IP that moves along with a delta
< 1406837638 876128 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there'll be instructions that the IP executes, and they can change the delta to any multi-dimensional vector
< 1406837655 539620 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about as far as I've got
< 1406837656 461918 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1406837705 571512 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as long as that multi-dimensional vector fits within the amount of dimensions of the program
< 1406837708 401948 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1406837792 929830 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406837816 66374 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you said anything after my last message I didn't see it :P
< 1406837853 640085 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: you could check the logs, but nothing was said in the meantime
< 1406837868 61652 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright
< 1406837994 760567 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really see the benefit of all those dimensions
< 1406838037 898378 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see the benefit of brainfuck
< 1406838039 145833 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can avoid intersection of code lines with only 3 dimensions
< 1406838053 789543 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: to create the smallest compiler possible
< 1406838080 573057 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an experiment and a programming exercise for me.
< 1406838159 956817 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'll give you five bfjousicoin if you succeed
< 1406838183 661611 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much dogecoin is that worth?
< 1406838237 564700 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :~0
< 1406838241 83976 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1406838243 394620 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice
< 1406838267 806943 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins
< 1406838269 592091 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08razycoin 09malcoin 02belcoin 06colliiecoin 13ted!coin 04pointercacoin 07bestfrocercoin 08cloorthcoin 09l00coin 02phoniccoin 06.yacuaticoin 13spilecoin 04udacoin 07disilacoin 08uncitocoin 09dracoin 02capuicoin 06moustcoin 13oischemcoin 04audinava2coin
< 1406838286 843894 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you prefer some ted!coin?
< 1406838299 256751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` printf "%u" $((~0))
< 1406838300 248293 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :18446744073709551615
< 1406838320 716266 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol
< 1406838335 391335 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` printf "%d" $((~0)) # alas...
< 1406838335 984802 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-1
< 1406838358 381264 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather have some colliiecoin.
< 1406838390 769247 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggested "coercoin" a while ago but nobody reacted.
< 1406838787 514178 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inrecommend unciteocoin for wikipedia sponsoring
< 1406839199 896612 :imp9!~imp9@170-62.dsl.iskon.hr QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1406839714 15569 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1406840432 179380 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406841809 167904 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1406842537 958355 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be fun if the coin thing was fed by markov chains and logs from here
< 1406842611 285442 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: give us a coin, please
< 1406842611 660856 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's a lot of pictures of fnord and strcat. so what is a ' cell tracker' for 9110, btw.
< 1406842619 591726 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :argl.
< 1406842630 980426 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the f-word! please! have mercy!
< 1406843537 338001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the f-word fungot
< 1406843537 617113 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: something stinks here. the lady replied... " but i had noticable slow down when conducting sisc upgrade test
< 1406843791 631692 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406843837 843993 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally, I have success in the "get Windows to work again" direction
< 1406843863 318899 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I'm going to go beyond this and actually attempt to install Visual Studio
< 1406843864 550568 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I might
< 1406843881 284174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406844034 229452 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406844098 164120 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was quite the adventure, I might write a blog post about it
< 1406844125 237753 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1406844210 741770 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1406844263 158325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406845072 775958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : help i'm trying to find the original source of the comic graph of "physics knowledge vs. how much sense the universe makes". i'm pretty sure it's SMBC, or if not that, then xkcd, but I can't find it <-- well googling your term doesn't give me any _copy_ of the graph either.
< 1406845090 960953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it a little hard to get started.
< 1406845193 253150 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406845215 11861 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were numerous problems
< 1406845226 646782 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I only just resolved the last one (I was having the same problem as the last comment here: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windowsserver/en-US/6119d4c0-c3c0-40bf-9c3e-46b46915e738/service-not-start-access-denied-software-protection-event-logs?forum=winservergen)
< 1406845275 557180 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Herman Bonnie, I don't know who you are, but thanks for the advice, and thanks for letting me know about procmon
< 1406845294 335321 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for several hours, I was thinking "if only I had a Windows version of strace, this would be easy to fix"
< 1406845315 565243 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and procmon has a subset of strace's abilities, but fortunately, all the functionality I needed was in that subset
< 1406845354 348702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1406845512 106374 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1406845619 963325 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i can find a link to a copy hold on
< 1406845659 976315 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(however, note that this will not contain any references to the original source, so it will still be hard to get started)
< 1406845701 918208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay
< 1406845801 642577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although with some luck maybe it'll jog my memory
< 1406845892 358948 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.quora.com/Religion/How-does-one-believe-in-so-called-God-when-Science-proves-everything
< 1406845983 368367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406845987 403555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you linking to that, also i can only read the first answer
< 1406846051 332131 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's where the image is
< 1406846055 871495 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a direct link
< 1406846057 156590 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dec081428190913d063e3ef0a62eb191?convert_to_webp=true
< 1406846140 786054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that allowed me to google the first phrase properly
< 1406846179 46635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving this, which credits zach weiner (of smbc) https://twitter.com/sndrclsn/status/486748250071126016
< 1406846205 216040 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i was pretty sure that's where i saw it thanks
< 1406846274 545372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reddit link points me on to the right comic http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2376 (red button)
< 1406846346 696509 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured it was a votey too
< 1406846348 579008 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty
< 1406846466 212132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw
< 1406846589 295953 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn smbc site doesn't say what license these are published on the main front page :(
< 1406846606 705109 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just says copyright
< 1406846612 835695 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess there is no license
< 1406846799 884381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a shocking development, dmm's latest comic, planet of hats, isn't open licensed either
< 1406846807 817521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict
< 1406846843 996371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess darths & droids isn't either
< 1406846861 703995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all the others that i remember
< 1406846878 716981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY'VE CORRUPTED HIM
< 1406847820 839406 :MoALTz_!~no@user-31-174-197-32.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406847982 838099 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-174-197-32.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1406848250 54704 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the web keeps breaking here
< 1406848255 631983 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet works, web breaks
< 1406848258 150535 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it
< 1406848338 350309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1406848380 437985 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is some sort of proxy involved?
< 1406848387 975393 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare http and https, see if one is more reliable than the other
< 1406848393 136059 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(either way round would be interesting)
< 1406848469 995149 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know of a proxy
< 1406848885 20516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are approximately none
< 1406848908 861035 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the "compare http and https" was meant as an attempt to detect one
< 1406848935 741077 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might also want to try looking at https certificates to see if they're being replaced
< 1406849085 189447 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1406849147 74166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny how my favorite puzzles from simon tatham's have changed after i got a new laptop - solely because the new touchpad is more awkward for frequent precision clicks
< 1406849222 122125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to do lightup for a _long_ time, but now i get annoyed after a couple tries.
< 1406849259 881730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the awkwardness might be because i'm now actually keeping it in my lap.
< 1406849278 195217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not all of it.
< 1406849316 58633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i've sort of changed to doing more of the puzzle that have good keyboard shortcuts.
< 1406849320 355312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s
< 1406850208 44528 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1406850214 812057 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RAGE14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40230 5* 03173.240.241.83 5* (+21) 10Redirected page to [[RAGE!!!]]
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