< 1408320148 768635 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep < 1408321069 977192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1408321323 383077 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9453 < 1408321327 314144 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whee < 1408322079 345393 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1408325144 765836 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408325190 361239 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1408326652 956738 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-148-1.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1408327542 57427 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408328344 736797 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1408329962 290280 :lexande!arapp@lara.ugcs.caltech.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1408330542 584895 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did ASP.NET and Netscape Navigator live concurrently? < 1408330564 60235 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a website with an FAQ talking about Netscape Navigator, but written in ASP.NET < 1408331748 68860 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.sss.gov/RegVer/wfContentRegistrationFAQs.aspx < 1408333695 917432 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1408333707 313650 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408334625 446726 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-167-67.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408334676 260273 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad seems to assume I was automatically registered, because this is the computer age, and 'Uncle Sam knows all!' < 1408334687 397223 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. That was meant for a different channel. < 1408334722 938661 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is meant for here. Especially that which isn't. < 1408334772 985061 :lexande!arapp@lara.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the FAQ could have just been imported automatically somehow < 1408334794 855671 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-167-67.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i hope you ain't talkin bout SSS < 1408334797 446128 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's scarier. Technical FAQ for a site unrelated to the FAQ < 1408334810 720240 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1408334820 67023 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-167-67.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1408334852 443856 :lexande!arapp@lara.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: but anyway Netscape made Mozilla and later Firefox based releases thru 2007 < 1408334863 192863 :lexande!arapp@lara.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASP.NET released january 2002 < 1408335172 821249 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1408335185 348382 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408335350 974490 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does this PDF exist? http://www.sss.gov/SSSYOU/sss&you.pdf < 1408335495 55101 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-67.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck sgeo, haven't you already graduated college? < 1408335783 683494 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1408336544 887973 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the most notable feature of those Netscape releases was that it had AIM built in too. < 1408336550 23220 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why but it totally did. < 1408336571 167553 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1408337813 963321 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1408337890 769921 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1408338112 967818 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1408338883 569781 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: [ < 1408338909 421383 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1408339072 568349 :Guest155!bcbc56d9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.188.86.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408339921 886112 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1408340239 923745 :Guest155!bcbc56d9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.188.86.217 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1408341411 337781 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1408344370 713633 :lexande!arapp@lara.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you can register until you turn 25. in later life government jobs and such may autoreject you if you never registered, but not care if you registered late. so registering soon before their 25th birthday is a thing people do. < 1408344402 824992 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-67.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but i thought you needed SSS to get federal loans for school, see < 1408346698 435675 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1408348941 55424 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1408349254 388040 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40304&oldid=40297 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+40) 10Normal implementations: Found a few zombie links < 1408350230 56183 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1408350500 976108 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1408350630 42348 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1408350646 234816 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408350861 238969 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-67-37.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1408351505 334312 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1408351519 356565 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408352379 929971 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1408352393 663558 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408352982 320960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1408353082 660629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff today's tunes logs aren't recognized as text again :( < 1408353100 694593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and codu logs are still down) < 1408353139 928086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well time to pipe through wget < 1408353173 20325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just not read the logs for a few days < 1408353174 25273 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1408353191 47963 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408353258 487205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i wouldn't know what was happening :( < 1408353310 148401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's just today. it seems to happen whenever HackEgo makes a wiki announcement near the beginning of the logs; the ^Cs confuse IE to think it's not text < 1408353364 665286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for yesterday's logs, it recognizes that it's text, but not that it's utf-8 < 1408353656 424569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this is an IE thing, not a server-side content-type thing? < 1408353834 458700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's presumably a combination < 1408353856 398772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the server does nothing and IE tries to guess < 1408353951 360274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, maybe the server sends text/plain and IE tries to be too clever < 1408354081 69775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-maybe < 1408354093 979116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION found the right option to show the headers with wget
< 1408354328 97564 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1408354703 7490 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1408354735 574731 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1408355075 663412 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408355276 367457 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1408355335 284865 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1408355408 880078 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1408355416 537969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah putting http://tunes.org in restricted zone disables it < 1408355712 257594 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-67-37.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1408356634 996110 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1408356871 284900 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408357230 710989 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what wisdom have you to share? < 1408357240 450485 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot? < 1408357244 625769 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUNGOT!? < 1408357249 321310 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ? < 1408357255 820554 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: (set-jarcane-connect! J_Arcane #f) < 1408357261 398173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brave sir fungot ran away < 1408357328 937901 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. hellørjan. < 1408357385 839008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boillo < 1408357470 884111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fternoily < 1408357521 539058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have mail addressed to a person which was accidentally delivered to me < 1408357532 48137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the best strategies on getting it to that person < 1408357807 583310 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1408357987 872058 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: regular mail, or internal or something exotic? < 1408358006 1988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :regular mail < 1408358010 888 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: try to meet the postman when he comes to your house, and give the mail to him or her telling it's misdelivered < 1408358034 27968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mail was delivered some months ago to a mailbox some hundreds of miles away < 1408358043 716776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more hundreds of miles than months) < 1408358173 570215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is a game: if your operation is "translate from language X to Y, then transliterate from Y to X", how long of a chain can you make of this operation? < 1408358217 916465 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was a chain of 3 from short words or something. chain of 2 is easy of course < 1408358247 319152 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I think you can make an infinite chain from a simple fixed point < 1408358256 576271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that count? < 1408358292 304973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess fixed points make it too easy < 1408358309 986867 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivia: XBox 360 support sucks < 1408358313 133452 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you count only the number of unique edges? < 1408358329 556851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, you can say that < 1408358351 780203 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, let me think what was the length 3 chain < 1408358983 906895 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could get choose(n,2) edges from a set of n synonms that work in two related languages < 1408358990 159600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1408358997 385743 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :n*(n-1) edges actually < 1408359015 729546 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's say you want a subjectively nice chain < 1408359138 381632 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1408359250 936188 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408359386 639942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume the transliteration is trivial if they share an alphabet < 1408359512 437311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1408359809 30050 :mauris!~mauris@d8D8661CB.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1408359816 744314 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1408359921 226516 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: KEKEKE CHICKEN < 1408360125 492492 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1408360253 300920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think i'd allow you to change the spelling in some cases < 1408360266 703962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also pick the optimal reasonable translation to make the chain work < 1408360273 308695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1408361779 856731 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm solving Project Euler in Befunge :P < 1408361789 201642 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 that is < 1408361817 52309 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've now solved problems 1, 2 and 6 in Befunge < 1408361899 376129 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: nice < 1408361918 473559 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could solve 5 too < 1408361921 685312 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1408363973 486075 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1408364574 178924 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-67-37.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1408365151 545106 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1408365153 388123 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1408365158 787193 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO I AM BACK < 1408365174 490212 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: o rly < 1408365174 718032 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but don't force applications to be written to at some point add " if already defined, override the old one < 1408365333 105030 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1408365522 721324 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay fungot is back < 1408365522 915919 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: i need to convince to get one, but i am < 1408365586 826131 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1408367152 902472 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1408367653 701927 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1408368782 875686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1408370558 993504 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408370792 956881 :perrier_!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408370834 289553 :coppro_!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1408370836 785420 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408370845 836863 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1408370917 756556 :Zuu_!~zuu@0x5e911bd1.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1408371119 483979 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408371119 919946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408371120 290907 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408371121 27017 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408371121 586729 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408371121 723671 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408371122 143185 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408371155 633127 :perrier_!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1408371221 604000 :perrier_!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408372130 877630 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I am registered for the selective service < 1408372513 475675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you registered when you were 18...? < 1408372525 757276 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few months late, but yes. < 1408372539 890212 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of forgot I did it. And my dad's response when I asked yesterday was not reassuring < 1408372576 520817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is being eligible for conscription reassuring < 1408372611 111469 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eligable for an unlikely conscription that I'm required by law to register for < 1408372632 764356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stay in school and don't do drugs < 1408372778 536719 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I do tend to be a rules follower, with some exceptions < 1408373072 171735 :Zuu_!~zuu@0x5e911bd1.adsl.cybercity.dk NICK :Zuu < 1408373079 910951 :Zuu!~zuu@0x5e911bd1.adsl.cybercity.dk QUIT :Changing host < 1408373080 48400 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1408373257 790033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who think following the law is moral scary < 1408373263 373493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*are scary < 1408373563 775813 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BACKWARD MESSAGE BACKWARD MESSAGE BACKWARD MESSAGE < 1408373573 209801 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwat < 1408373598 370500 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be an esolang called BACKWARD MESSAGE BACKWARD MESSAGE BACKWARD MESSAGE now < 1408373599 111823 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey there's actually a relevent hit when I google that < 1408373612 123883 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be like Text < 1408373615 174009 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but backward < 1408373658 120692 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh in 5 min need to take really bad tasting medicine < 1408374005 639091 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you have permission for that? < 1408374005 925801 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you don't mind kicking the original oklopol off and speak swedish too. that's what i'm trying to figure out how < 1408374015 619276 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, true < 1408374029 522976 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fungot, next time, ask for permission in advance < 1408374029 836964 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: prolog or another logic language, obviously you'll need to write a program that can traverse the network and files and parsers. this is an infinite loop, it's obvious < 1408374039 839233 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not < 1408374328 94968 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION survived
< 1408374605 371054 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :grats < 1408374645 233256 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :survived what? < 1408374649 177703 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the medicine? < 1408374693 82325 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1408375419 912425 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408375978 986261 :trn!~jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.0-rc1 < 1408376018 323093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Egassem Drawkcab is probably someone's name. < 1408376781 291225 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1408376920 865324 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love google. 1st page "About 1,360 results", second page "Page 2 of about 1,360 results", 3rd page "Page 3 of about 1,360 results", 4th page "Page 4 of 39 results" < 1408376976 161300 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1408377034 728484 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1408377043 734253 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Client Quit < 1408377339 989436 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1408377674 485726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I wonder how they actually estimate those result counts. < 1408377698 365919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, presumably they're not entirely random, but also presumably they devote sufficiently little of their tiny time budget to it that they must be doing something incredibly rough. < 1408377710 617289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they seem to consistently overestimate, which I guess is the right thing to do if you want to look impressive. < 1408377794 671164 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-67-37.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1408378364 559362 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, first they compute the counts before the elimination of duplicates ("similar results"); with those included, for the same query, I get "Page 46 of 456 results" on the last page, and a factor of 3 is far more reasonable than a factor of 40. < 1408378419 63717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: wow, I didn't know they counted so many things as duplicates < 1408379265 101138 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1408379455 201831 :coppro_!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :coppro < 1408381965 42030 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1408382815 155856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140818-calc.jpg we had a calculator almost exactly like this at my (late) grandmother's. < 1408382847 488592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That one's from a shop window in Rauma.) < 1408382902 579863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow a crank generally makes things better. < 1408382944 460287 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1408383123 741090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can shift the lower portion to do decimal positional multiplication, at the cost of (at most) 9*K crankings, where K is the length of the shorter multiplicand. < 1408383176 971958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And IIRC the bottom-left part counts the number of crankings so that you don't lose track.) < 1408384012 791658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1408384042 923098 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1408384057 949434 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408384166 231697 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1408384327 464050 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-67-37.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1408384372 254951 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1408384959 789941 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, I tried one of those calculators once. they're really nice. < 1408385258 973995 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1408386106 284612 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1408386997 254778 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1408387597 174942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408389753 650530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1408389771 938936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408390635 127905 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1408390642 678013 :`^_^!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1408391697 81289 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1408391829 664756 :subleq_!~gavin@208.186.116.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408391843 382593 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.142.130 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1408391875 923608 :subleq_!~gavin@208.186.116.206 NICK :subleq < 1408391894 763951 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1408391905 311477 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54faa3-2.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408391905 516457 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408391905 981997 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408391906 118724 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408391906 255597 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408391906 808062 :lexande!arapp@lara.ugcs.caltech.edu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408391916 79702 :ion-!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1408391926 585774 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54faa3-2.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1408391929 124881 :lexande!arapp@lara.ugcs.caltech.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1408391962 919049 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408391992 103865 :ion-!ion@heh.fi NICK :ion < 1408391999 458490 :d45611!~d45611@unaffiliated/d45611 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408392146 275921 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does statically typed Python excite me but statically typed Racket scare me? I may be insane < 1408392189 498264 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-67.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever spent a few hours methodically writing insults on paper, and then ripping them up and arranging them into statuettes < 1408392231 687176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1408392243 592896 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-67.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to hear < 1408392253 793444 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-21-232.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1408392313 329266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell nooodl I didn't think that $__ was legal in Perl, you'd have to write it ${'__'} < 1408392313 752355 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1408392333 99053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $__ = 4; print "$__\n" < 1408392335 392779 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1408392345 31566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell nooodl well according to EgoBot, I'm wrong < 1408392345 596919 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1408392370 849727 :mauris!~mauris@d8D8661CB.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah i didn't actually know for sure but apparently it's legal! < 1408392384 682785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's because _ isn't technically a punctuation mark < 1408392583 592647 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1408392630 651558 :d45611!~d45611@unaffiliated/d45611 QUIT :Quit: Goodbye.... < 1408392696 927264 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Perl scares me :/ < 1408392707 285998 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet APL intrigues me < 1408392711 764624 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up with that < 1408392976 52001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a machine in a museum. < 1408392988 217095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wrote stuff on pieces of paper, and then fed it to the machine. < 1408393000 340166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it did an overly elaborate shredder act. < 1408393014 480634 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do some J < 1408393029 748414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the idea was that you wrote negative things on the paper, and hence got rid of them. < 1408393112 316815 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, I kind of want the crazy character set < 1408393152 530789 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1408393177 600081 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know where I can buy an APL or blank keyboard? < 1408393185 140738 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For like cheap < 1408393204 475894 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL is beautifully incomprehensible, Perl is uglily incomprehensible < 1408393251 188936 :mauris!~mauris@d8D8661CB.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: stickers! < 1408393369 964793 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I never understood what the fuss about blank keyboards was. I don't look at the keyboard, so why would it be a problem if it has irrelevant keycaps written on it? < 1408393385 2816 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :style < 1408393400 778795 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, learning more than anything < 1408393403 989310 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I am forgetful < 1408393476 443281 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: could you use some sort of opaque silk scarf veil covering the whole keyboard and you slide your hands under it? < 1408393483 598189 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit I've never tried that, it might not work < 1408393533 913230 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think proper touch typing courses have some sort of screen that goes over the keyboard < 1408393538 749725 :mauris_!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408393572 929801 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: right, that's what I said, but I'm not sure how realistically possible that is < 1408393591 90583 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, without making typing or seeing the screen too inconvenient < 1408393624 817575 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me tell you an anecdote < 1408393657 970259 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, the issue is that I don't know the keyboard layout, so either I do a touch-typing thing before I even begin to learn the language, or I look at the keyboard < 1408393667 333103 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one point I almost bought a used mobile phone with russian letters on the keypad. my father didn't understand why I'd use such a thing. I didn't understand why not: it's not like I look at the letters when typing on the keypad anyway. < 1408393680 89222 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not using that phone, but that's for reasons other than the keypad. < 1408393701 148887 :mauris!~mauris@d8D8661CB.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1408393703 112127 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: use a chart either on a paper on the wall, or on screen < 1408393711 482579 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a possibility < 1408393715 73864 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :either of those are easier to change than the keycaps anyway < 1408393726 603535 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the keycaps aren't impossible to change either, just much harder) < 1408393738 346731 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used a paper chart once when learning dvorak < 1408393745 770842 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't use dvorak. it turns out it's a bad layout.) < 1408393813 501109 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: an on-screen or paper legend can also show more modal or shifted meanings for the keys than would fit on the keyboard itself, < 1408393826 16753 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1408393826 154034 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1408393834 168123 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can see a paper or on-screen chart without having to move your hands off the normal position on the keyboard < 1408393851 71541 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can be useful if you want to learn proper touch-typing < 1408393874 70800 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means you can move your hands the way you should touch-type, only possibly slowe < 1408393876 966073 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1408393884 81666 :mauris_!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 NICK :mauris < 1408393905 786332 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point < 1408393959 248945 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally think the blank keyboards are just a show-off, the blank labels are for people other than the one typing on the keyboard < 1408394085 868765 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now of course keycaps can be important on public terminals that untrained people want to use, but those terminals rarely have good keyboards because good keyboards are easy to vandalize. they have touchscreen or sturdy metal buttons < 1408394089 881479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use a blank keyboard and never write on the keys < 1408394105 837352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a set of blank dice which I occasionally roll for amusement value in situations where a genuine dice roll is needed < 1408394119 531361 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Taneb started by asking where to buy blank keyboards < 1408394124 252532 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hehe, blank dice < 1408394127 734072 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1408394152 460116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually a blank keyboard would probably work better than my current work keyboard < 1408394159 572702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is set to UK layout but has AZERTY key caps < 1408394177 614918 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm asking again, why do the keycaps matter? < 1408394194 268305 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does that work better than a UK layout one set to US layout? < 1408394195 905719 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know why the layout matters, eg. 101 keys vs 102 keys, crazy arrow keys, etc < 1408394207 116659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: because it seems I subconciously look at the difference between punctuation and letters to position my hands < 1408394216 764564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I keep hitting m when I mean , etc. < 1408394230 304250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, on the UK set to US layout I have a huge pain finding the punctuation < 1408394237 34378 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh I just realized that I no longer have this problem, I bought a new keyboard two months ago) < 1408394242 462510 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should use the knobs on f and j to orient your hands < 1408394248 559061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I move my hands too much < 1408394251 977164 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that sometimes happens to me and confuses me for round parenthesis specifically, but I should just try not to look. < 1408394255 804656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :home row is too slow < 1408394256 539411 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so now it's US/US) < 1408394257 837018 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to drum on them when idling < 1408394275 461860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, often my right hand's on hjkl < 1408394282 870096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. NetHack, although vi invented it < 1408394288 780988 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? I never put my hands on hjkl < 1408394299 708903 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just put my hands on jkl; and type hjkl in nethack that way < 1408394301 266359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Just buy the Optimus. (Are they still even selling that?) < 1408394305 135539 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use vi, mind you < 1408394305 511082 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdw is so much nicer :P < 1408394311 918576 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: NO! < 1408394313 626021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: wow, you're missing half the adnnatage of vikeys there < 1408394314 620611 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi inherited that from some more ancient place < 1408394317 967776 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1408394337 956858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why? because yb are harder to type this way? < 1408394342 273313 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the only reason why I can even use vim for small edits is that it understands cursor keys. < 1408394350 685773 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow which azerty < 1408394360 370602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: also you have h and j on the same finger, that slows you down < 1408394365 368737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: I assume French < 1408394378 757209 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think that matters < 1408394381 856490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, though, I'm not an expert on azerty < 1408394383 349402 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reaching yb might matter < 1408394386 347380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :CERN keyboards were azerty. < 1408394390 603933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yb is hard < 1408394391 627207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meant a lot of misplaced q's. < 1408394409 80752 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought azerty was german, but maybe the french have it too < 1408394424 418161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :german is qwertz < 1408394430 957862 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :german is qwertziopü < 1408394433 417050 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ok < 1408394443 952136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that one because "add a way to swap y and z" is one of the most common FRs to NetHack from German players < 1408394468 343714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes < 1408394510 993681 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the biggest problem that I had when switching from german to US layout was that I kept minimizing my emacs window when copying stuff < 1408394518 492986 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because C-y became C-z. < 1408394522 956612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switzerland has different keyboards at the different language areas, I presume. < 1408394543 392835 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my keyboard has an unshifted µ key that's how you know it's good < 1408394554 977455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I sometimes set C-z on the "show a confirm before using this" setting < 1408394557 81154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so annoying to typo < 1408394557 720767 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: useful. < 1408394558 435245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, two people typing on the same keyboard can be confusing: I do that a little at work such that I use either english or hungarian qwerty, whereas other people use hungarian qwertz, so the yz swaps are crazy < 1408394572 812646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just downloaded a Firefox extension so that I could unbind C-q in Firefox, for similar reasons < 1408394579 972797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My keyboard has an unshifted § key, that's p. useful too. < 1408394582 353421 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: numbers are shifted though!! < 1408394585 757796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g., if you write a lot of laws. < 1408394603 584392 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: I have 1234567890 reasons against that < 1408394607 908691 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's q on azerty? next to s? < 1408394612 383920 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1408394614 29872 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qsdfghjklm < 1408394653 780460 :heroux!sandroco@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1408394705 740837 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still wonder if I should try another keyboard layout < 1408394717 880941 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't dared yet after the failure with dvorak < 1408394743 71899 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: failure how so < 1408394775 407970 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: I learnt it a bit, but it turns out dvorak is stupid, it doesn't combine with Hungarian text well: < 1408394812 408399 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvorak is based on the principle that the vowels are under your left hand and the consonants are on the right, but Hungarian has two extra vowels that are very common and seven more that are less common < 1408394824 247681 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so dvorak only works for Englih < 1408394843 153448 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other part is that Hungarian has "k" common and "h" rare, the opposite of English < 1408394855 838599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: do Hungarian keyboards have different keys for each vowel? or do you use modifiers for the accents? < 1408394893 155065 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Hungarian has the nine vowels on where English has punctuation marks: < 1408394906 335077 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two most common vowels are on ; and ' < 1408394912 521361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1408394912 839628 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the right of L that is < 1408394923 178062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains why you're less willing to move your home position to the left, at least < 1408394932 795250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where the Finnish/Swedish keyboard layout puts öä. < 1408394935 932303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there one in the position where # is on a UK keyboard? < 1408394939 416668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? do you do that for typing English too? not just for vi or nethack? < 1408394939 603632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And å next to p. < 1408394947 528466 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I don't type Hungarian in nethack < 1408394969 750001 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right, and German is something similar too < 1408394970 586169 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I read that as ; and ' being vowels in hungarian < 1408394979 712297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I move my hands dynamically as I type < 1408394987 879017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't have any extra vowels in the number row, though. < 1408394991 468844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. in the above sentence, I typed the "y" of "dynamically" with my left hadn < 1408394993 707733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hand < 1408394998 806564 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, if you type lots of numbers you put yoru hands on the number row < 1408395000 106487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because my right hand is further right typing the "l" just before it < 1408395020 169524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically my fingers memorize a word at a time and I use the most appropriate hand movements for that word < 1408395033 654416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm pretty sure that's what's happening, because sometimes I type a homophone rather than the word I want) < 1408395038 969730 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: where are your vowels? < 1408395039 417244 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so i'd best name my vm primitive fnord, which is like boolf with trinary numbers instead, and most probably unrelated to the interface to dumping fasls may be somewhat more intuitive to me but < 1408395046 322063 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, y and b and 6 are a corner case, they're hard to reach with either hand so I can sometimes type with the wrong hand, < 1408395054 166989 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't mean I move the base position of my hands < 1408395146 247781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I move the base position when I type lots of numbers, or when I press the cursor keys or similar a lot, or for some non-nethack games < 1408395188 116499 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or when I type with one hand, or holding something in my hand < 1408395234 709897 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can sort of understand changing hand base position for a game like nethack, but I don't think it's useful for nethack's current layout < 1408395280 585 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was, that probably meant the diagonal directions are just bound to the wrong keys, and yb should have functions you press less often in rapid sessions < 1408395308 659819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you have one orthogonal on each finger < 1408395313 921984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't get any less hand movement than that < 1408395343 352727 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it's not the h but the yb that requires difficult hand movements < 1408395354 582050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :h is not harder to press then uio is < 1408395362 911251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm not talking about difficult < 1408395365 354901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about easy < 1408395370 20120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjkl are all very trivial to press < 1408395371 726289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is /no/ movement < 1408395373 313331 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1408395375 903971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to, if your hand is on jkl; < 1408395378 77879 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you do move diagonally too < 1408395378 484833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have to move for the h < 1408395384 194437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy, but it's still some amount of movement < 1408395388 822591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most moves are orthogonal < 1408395393 92650 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they? < 1408395407 676919 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought like almost half moves are diagonal < 1408395411 738839 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in nethack, not in vi < 1408395429 632397 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you press hjkl much more than yubn, that probably means you don't use g or 9 enough for corridors < 1408395486 600908 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe there are more orthogonal moves in sokoban < 1408395488 308036 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate soko < 1408395495 976680 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a bug ticket for that < 1408395526 315778 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :#117 < 1408395616 172652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I use shift-direction for corridors < 1408395639 494984 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then why are you getting most moves orthogonal? < 1408395659 292920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: because most rooms aren't square and don't have doors on opposite corners < 1408395673 618604 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1408395727 553980 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I think I understand < 1408395772 524882 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I play much more slowly, most of my move keystrokes are local moves for combat or item manipulation or similar; far travel takes few keystrokes relatively. < 1408395785 783494 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas you play fast, so most of your moves are for discovery or traversing the dungeon the first time < 1408395791 245967 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could make a difference, and could explain this < 1408395819 400052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I play quite fast < 1408395824 555364 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I use more orthogonal move for first discovery of a dungeon too < 1408395884 555333 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course lots of the directional keystrokes are for targetting stuff, such as for farlook or travel, < 1408395893 362290 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and diagonals come handy for that, especially shift-diagonals < 1408395954 917783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, whether you have more orthogonals or diagonals on targeting depends on whether the difference between the x and y coordinates is more than a factor of 2 or not < 1408395976 922659 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1408396024 196316 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but also a lot of far targetting is just _<; or _>; so the directional key targetting goes nearer < 1408396024 562238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: try ttyrec2ing your play some time < 1408396029 634878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see whether you use orthogonal or diagonal more < 1408396033 683690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be interested < 1408396039 556247 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have ttyrecs < 1408396045 407245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think I'll check < 1408396050 193328 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can send them to you if you want < 1408396090 204899 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have ttyrecs of almost all of that wizard game on nh4.2 that's sort of on a hiatus now < 1408396100 535535 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :should ascend it eventually < 1408396112 767968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, I mean ttyrec2 < 1408396116 95428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it records input as well as output < 1408396129 290176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could just look through the logfiles for diagonal movement commands, though < 1408396149 283380 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1408396152 519083 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it record password? < 1408396183 292393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a key combo you can use around your password to tell it not to < 1408396186 581298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise yes < 1408396337 765901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the logfile doesn't record location prompts though, and I don't know how easy it is to find out about repeated or travel movement from it < 1408396517 242286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does record location prompts < 1408396531 202472 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but not the keystrokes I pressed for them < 1408396534 504932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd need to parse the save file backups to work out where the player was before the prompt < 1408396537 271694 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can't tell how I moved the cursor < 1408396549 221760 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might not press the optimal keypresses for a location prompt < 1408396553 584328 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's lot of farlook too < 1408396570 253621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :farlook isn't recorded < 1408396572 716683 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I might be using shortcuts like _< < 1408396575 357444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can do that with the mouse nowadays < 1408396585 641400 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? I don't mouse for nethack < 1408396589 624812 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way < 1408396592 784527 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can at least be sure of that < 1408396673 663810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1408396689 791016 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1408396923 95025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got used to mouse for farlook from Brogue, where the keyboard farlook controls are awful < 1408396958 242330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, and of course the location prompt controls could be improved too (I think I have a bug report), but they're not bad < 1408396968 520690 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(have to search it now < 1408396970 232436 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1408396991 175646 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's #113 < 1408396997 45454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're so on the wrong channel by the way < 1408397006 626076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not really < 1408397028 476036 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when #esoteric talks about nethack and #nethack talks about python lambdas, somethign is strange < 1408397065 596400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is talking about keyboards :-) < 1408397147 105019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: I wonder how they actually estimate those result counts. <-- my guess is they have the number of instances of each word, and calculate the probability for several words as if they were independent. < 1408397170 858741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch, that's /very/ rough < 1408397182 951464 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1408397185 854101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps with some exceptions for words that are commonly together < 1408397231 607270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced a query on google is either a straight AND or OR query these days, even with lots of fudging. < 1408397418 547981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it's damn hard to get google to show relevant hits for what you want < 1408397438 697907 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1408397488 257170 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1408397503 982659 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to find help for nero-mode in emacs last night and was utterly incapable of getting google to spit out anything useful. < 1408397516 325547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when without quotes is too fudged and with quotes is too strict < 1408397537 590498 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: try pluses < 1408397547 649003 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, it can be difficult < 1408397562 614352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, do pluses do something still? < 1408397576 633385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they were completely abandoned as different from quotes < 1408397602 934721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with quotes is never too strict these days < 1408397606 837953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I'm not sure quotes do anything < 1408397613 652160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah plusses were removed < 1408397614 744684 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think pluses can make the query more like a straight AND query < 1408397621 236375 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroe like, not exactly the same < 1408397621 373789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they got deprecated < 1408397622 955233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because google+ < 1408397625 845354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do nothing now. < 1408397649 599776 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what... < 1408397652 243435 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quotes still do something < 1408397664 256347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: e.g. http://www.wired.com/2011/10/google-kills-its-other-plus-and-how-to-bring-it-back/ < 1408397664 393386 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but indeed they used to be more strict < 1408397668 210738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, quotes are certainly different < 1408397679 637390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://searchengineland.com/google-sunsets-search-operator-98189 < 1408397695 756992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, they do something, but it sure as hell isn't anything close to "exactly match this string" :) < 1408397720 223603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sometimes add a quote to just a single word when google insists on showing lots of hits that leave it out. < 1408397744 212554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it also helps with words that are not actually on the page. sometimes. < 1408397761 96029 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I see < 1408397808 256303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically afaik google doesn't really have a search _language_, just searching hints... < 1408397816 582101 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1408397854 229950 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sometimes searches for variations of a word, or for words not appearing on a page but in other pages linking to that page, both of which can be sometimes useful, sometimes wrong < 1408398034 701266 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1408398063 25381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I get sick of google but then I try duckduckgo and I remember how kinda nice it is to have all your searches optimised based on your history and a strong AI behind every query. < 1408398126 310582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1408398168 333661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that using those history/strong AI often get in the way though (although, it can sometimes help) < 1408398189 923185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1408398235 174401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my experience was duckduckgo was fine for everything except computery/programming stuff (ironic considering how google's inability to search for symbols is an obstacle there too) < 1408398246 955097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that it just gave mostly useless results and I think the targetting helps google a lot there. < 1408398325 606039 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want relevant stuff, looking on Wikipedia tends to help better, however it doesn't have as many things as Google. (This is why there is less irrelevant stuff involved) < 1408399805 990372 :KingOfKarlsruhe_!~KingOfKar@static.84.17.63.178.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1408399815 571549 :diginet_!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408399860 870175 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1408399861 6856 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1408399862 651095 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1408399876 649109 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1408399891 906248 :diginet_!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1408399920 748097 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408400595 111366 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1408401161 849460 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1408401327 947613 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1408401412 347429 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Taneb14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40305&oldid=38146 5* 03Taneb 5* (+116) 10Added another quote < 1408404753 147121 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1408405219 641345 :Guest68772!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me