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00:46:51 <Sgeo> "The W3C publishes some forked versions of these specifications. We have requested that they stop publishing these but they have refused. They copy most of our fixes into their forks, but their forks are usually weeks to months behind. They also make intentional changes, and sometimes even unintentional changes, to their versions. We highly recommend not paying any attention to the W3C forks of WHATWG standards."
00:48:00 <Sgeo> Dear God there is some seriously bad blood between them
00:48:56 <Bike> Fun things are fun.
00:53:08 <Sgeo> Weird terminology http://dom.spec.whatwg.org/
00:53:35 <Sgeo> descendant as excluding self and 'inclusive descendant' as including self. I'm more used to 'strict descendant' vs 'descendant', for some reason
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03:45:47 <Sgeo> So, Microsoft advanced the web with XMLHttpRequest, and I think something else but I forget what. Google pioneered evergreen browsers (I think). What about Mozilla? I guess an alternative to a stagnant browser
03:46:05 <coppro> Depends if you count Netscape
03:48:02 <Sgeo> What did Netscape do? All I can think of is <layer> but I don't think that's really an advancement
03:54:43 <coppro> Although Mozilla really pushed the open-source browser. That's something.
04:07:19 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Rasen]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40430&oldid=39485 * Wolgr * (-1)
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05:10:10 <Bike> are there any licenses that are licensed under their own terms?
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07:00:38 <lambdabot> Data.List group :: Eq a => [a] -> [[a]]
07:00:38 <lambdabot> Data.ByteString.Lazy group :: ByteString -> [ByteString]
07:00:38 <lambdabot> Data.ByteString.Lazy.Char8 group :: ByteString -> [ByteString]
07:16:22 <mroman_> anyway... if Golfscript can score more than 25k google hits and a WP article it will be in the TIOBE Index
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08:43:31 <mroman_> now I have an XML file with hundreds of lines
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08:43:48 <mroman_> and this remote black-box rejects it for some reason
08:46:10 <mroman_> Is there a tool that I can feed a dtd and an XML file
08:46:16 <mroman_> and it will tell me what's wrong with it?
08:48:19 <mroman_> there are even online sites that do that
08:58:17 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Deque]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40431&oldid=36985 * Rdebath * (+229) Equivalent to ...
09:02:36 <mroman_> Someone should design a language that unlike Golfscript is specifically made to suckt at golfing
09:02:57 <mroman_> of course, one could always use COBOL .
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09:44:20 <b_jonas> are M:tG running out of names? there are already cards named Tranquil Garden, Tranquil Thicket, Tranquil Path, Tranquil Domain, Tranquil Grove, and now they're printing a Tranquil Cove.
09:44:52 <b_jonas> I guess they just like the word "tranquil"
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10:42:30 <myname> is php considered a dequee based esolang? :D
10:48:46 <boily> IMPO PHP has to be a lang first :P
10:49:50 <boily> @tell oerjan pfshaw, humbug, and all that nonsense, I say hth
10:52:25 <boily> php, but with my finger confortably resting on the shift key.
10:52:41 <mroman_> (is HackEgo case sensitive?)
10:52:44 <boily> (it's a very nice key, made of ABS)
10:52:51 <boily> mroman_: eeeeeeh...
10:52:59 <HackEgo> He's a nobody. Move along.
10:53:03 <HackEgo> He's a nobody. Move along.
10:53:05 <mroman_> `learn php PHP without capslock
10:53:13 <mroman_> `learn PHP php with capslock
10:53:45 <boily> it wasn't caps lock. I can't even caps lock, I remapped it to escape.
10:53:52 <mroman_> `learn php is the PigeonHole Principle
10:54:47 <boily> Let Me PDF That For You.
10:55:27 <Melvar> http://thecodelesscode.com/case/161
10:55:51 <mroman_> recursion <optimized away> would be fun
10:56:43 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: php: not found
10:57:21 <HackEgo> bash: php --version: command not found
10:57:29 <HackEgo> bash: python --version: command not found
10:57:46 <HackEgo> bash: php: command not found
10:58:01 <HackEgo> bash: php: command not found
11:04:57 <mroman_> `bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
11:04:58 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bf: not found
11:05:05 <mroman_> !bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
11:05:10 <mroman_> !bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
11:05:15 <mroman_> !bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
11:05:51 <HackEgo> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
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11:07:49 <metasepia> --- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi
11:09:51 <int-e> `? dc <<<1775436177076666514492d35402563523599664460344479754rdPn100PdnP
11:09:52 <HackEgo> dc <<<1775436177076666514492d35402563523599664460344479754rdPn100PdnP? ¯\(°_o)/¯
11:10:28 <int-e> `` dc <<<1777814077679918136380d35402563523599664460344479754rdPn100PdnP
11:10:29 <HackEgo> `` dc <<<1777814077679918136380d35402563523599664460344479754rdPn100PdnP
11:11:22 <metasepia> Your divination: "Infiltrating" to "Ground"
11:11:27 <metasepia> Your divination: "Augmenting" to "Small Accumulating"
11:22:46 <mroman_> there's an LDAP to SQL Adapter
11:23:00 <mroman_> so I can access SQL-Databases using my favorite protocol
11:23:12 <mroman_> and LDAP Queries without have to bother learning SQL
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11:37:06 <mroman_> esolangs.org is rated as safe by McAffee
11:39:14 <lambdabot> boily said 49m 23s ago: pfshaw, humbug, and all that nonsense, I say hth
11:45:47 <oerjan> `run echo 'echo "This command has been disabled because no one uses it properly."' >bin/learn
11:45:55 <HackEgo> This command has been disabled because no one uses it properly.
11:46:54 <oerjan> oh i suppose he figured it out.
11:47:57 <HackEgo> Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl.
11:51:38 <oerjan> `? misspellings of croissant
11:51:39 <HackEgo> misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°_o)/¯
11:52:08 <boily> hah. mwah ah ah. MWAH AH AH AH AH AH!
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11:55:46 <int-e> What is ¯\(°_o)/¯ anyway, Deathstar Enterprise? (I couldn't find a ship with that awkward wing formation in the Starwars universe)
11:56:22 <oerjan> the HackEgo repository browser doesn't do unicode properly :(
11:56:39 <int-e> Or perhaps it's an artistic depiction of the moon in its gravity well.
11:57:53 <oerjan> `run sed -i 's!¯\(°_o)/¯!¯\(°_o)/¯!' wisdom/'misspellings of croissant'
11:57:54 <HackEgo> sed: -e expression #1, char 31: Unmatched ( or \(
11:58:08 <int-e> ¯\( could also be the utility end of a bulldozer
11:59:58 <oerjan> `run sed -i 's!¯\[(]°_o[)]/¯!¯\(°_o)/¯!' wisdom/'misspellings of croissant'
12:00:16 <oerjan> `? misspellings of croissant
12:00:16 <HackEgo> misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°_o)/¯
12:00:51 <int-e> oerjan is the master of identity transformations :P
12:01:15 <oerjan> hm that wasn't an identity transform
12:01:56 <oerjan> `run grep '¯\[(]°_o[)]/¯' wisdom/'misspellings of croissant'
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12:02:25 <HackEgo> [U+00AF MACRON] [U+005C REVERSE SOLIDUS] [U+0028 LEFT PARENTHESIS] [U+00B0 DEGREE SIGN] [U+005F LOW LINE] [U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] [U+0029 RIGHT PARENTHESIS] [U+002F SOLIDUS] [U+00AF MACRON]
12:03:14 <oerjan> i suppose _some_ character in there is not treated as plain in a regexp, other than the parens
12:03:24 <HackEgo> [U+00B0 DEGREE SIGN] [U+00B0 DEGREE SIGN] [U+200B ZERO WIDTH SPACE]
12:04:16 <oerjan> `run grep ° wisdom/'misspellings of croissant'
12:04:17 <HackEgo> misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°_o)/¯
12:04:29 <oerjan> `run sed 's/wisdom/'misspellings of croissant'
12:04:30 <HackEgo> bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
12:05:03 <oerjan> `run sed 's/°/°/' wisdom/'misspellings of croissant'
12:05:04 <HackEgo> misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°_o)/¯
12:05:26 <oerjan> `run sed -i 's/°/°/' wisdom/'misspellings of croissant'
12:05:39 <oerjan> `? misspellings of croissant
12:05:40 <HackEgo> misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°_o)/¯
12:06:14 <int-e> `learn ¯\(°_o)/¯ is a misspelling of ¯\(°_o)/¯
12:06:15 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/learn: line 3: wisdom/¯\(°_o)/¯: No such file or directory \ I knew that.
12:08:20 <oerjan> `run mkdir wisdom/'¯\(°_o)'; learn '¯\(°_o)/¯ is a misspelling of ¯\(°_o)/¯'
12:08:23 <HackEgo> mkdir: cannot create directory `wisdom/¯\\(°_o)': File exists \ I knew that.
12:09:01 <HackEgo> wisdom/¯\(°_o): \ ¯ \ ¯\(°_o)a \ \ wisdom/¯\(°_o): \ ¯
12:09:51 <HackEgo> ¯\(°_o)/¯ is a misspelling of ¯\(°_o)/¯
12:09:58 <oerjan> it seems to have taken, anyhow
12:12:26 <int-e> can you explain why myndzi "completes" the version with the zero-width space there?
12:12:42 <oerjan> because °_o is a face
12:12:52 <oerjan> *because °_o is a face
12:13:11 <oerjan> *because °_o is a face
12:13:39 <int-e> but °_o is a face, °_o isn't.
12:14:24 <int-e> but (°_o) is a face, (°_o) isn't. -- like this?
12:14:45 <int-e> so it shouldn't complete (°_o), but rather (°_o).
12:14:53 <int-e> something is wrong.
12:15:24 <oerjan> seems my problem was it needs more space when alone
12:16:08 <oerjan> int-e: oh hm i'm pretty sure the version myndzi completes is the one _without_ zero-width space?
12:16:13 <int-e> Sherlock Holmes can decipher this!
12:16:21 <b_jonas> int-e: yeah, it's like the dancing men
12:16:58 <int-e> oerjan: well, that's what I thought. But whichever order I put the two versions, it seems to complete the first one. Which is odd.
12:17:28 <oerjan> <int-e> so it shouldn't complete (°_o), but rather (°_o).
12:17:53 <oerjan> <int-e> so it shouldn't complete (°_o), but rather (°_o).
12:18:16 <int-e> maybe _ it works like this? (°_o)
12:18:24 <int-e> maybe _ it works like this? (°_o) ...
12:18:45 <oerjan> <int-e> so it shouldn't complete (°_o), but rather (°_o).
12:18:57 <int-e> oh, I copied the wrong version. grr :)
12:19:01 <oerjan> by jove, you are right
12:19:07 <int-e> maybe _ it works like this? (°_o) ...
12:19:15 <int-e> or _o it works like this? (°_o) ...
12:20:47 <int-e> is myndzi's source available?
12:20:57 <b_jonas> Great. Now try to figure out what combination of nickname, command, arguments, and punctuation between them my jevalbot accepts, on channel or in private message. Its rules are crazy and inconsistent.
12:21:08 <oerjan> <int-e> so it shouldn't complete (°_o), but rather (°_o).
12:21:11 <b_jonas> (It's a bit easier if you have the source of course.)
12:21:27 <oerjan> <int-e> so it shouldn't complete (°_o), but rather (°_o).
12:21:39 <oerjan> it works normally if both are the same
12:22:41 <oerjan> i don't know if myndzi's source is available.
12:23:19 <oerjan> it wouldn't be the first bug in it, anyway.
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13:11:41 <Phantom_Hoover> so i just googled 'baby mri' in the hope that they make tiny mri machines for babies
13:39:33 <mroman_> like 10$ a month top. at least 300MB RAM and 4GB HD.
13:39:58 <mroman_> and let's me run haskell applications (like happstack) and CGI
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13:57:10 <int-e> interesting, ramnode used to have swap space = RAM in their VMs, now it's swap space = RAM/2
14:00:29 <int-e> (prices have changed, too.)
14:01:50 <J_Arcane> Seems like VPS is the way to go if you want to do anything more "esoteric" these days.
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14:02:57 <int-e> at least in that price range. dedicated servers still seem to be $50+ a month.
14:04:02 <J_Arcane> DigitalOcean will do 1GB RAM and 20GB SSD for $5 a month, though it's metered. I've seen a few in the $10 range that were unmetered bandwidth.
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14:06:12 <int-e> where do you see 1GB RAM? https://www.digitalocean.com/pricing/
14:08:11 <int-e> at least for me that displays 512 MB.
14:09:51 <J_Arcane> You're right, I misremembered.
14:10:14 <J_Arcane> Still, meets mroman_ 's needs if he doesn't need more than 1TB of transfer.
14:18:22 <lambdabot> System.Posix.Files.ByteString PipeBufferLimit :: PathVar
14:18:22 <lambdabot> System.Posix.Files PipeBufferLimit :: PathVar
14:25:23 <mroman_> I've found a promising hoster in germany
14:25:45 <Vorpal> mroman_, hoster for what?
14:25:50 <mroman_> J_Arcane: I doubt that I have 1GB of transfer a month
14:26:07 <mroman_> but having only a limited traffic where every extra GB costs you is risky
14:26:20 <mroman_> Vorpal: the burlesque shell and some static html
14:26:32 <mroman_> and some of my eso stuff (which is static except for the burlesque shell)
14:26:33 <Vorpal> mroman_, I'm on a 20 USD / month plan for a VPS at linode. I guess that might be overkill for you then
14:26:44 <J_Arcane> You never know when someone will throw up a link on Reddit or something and your traffic increases geometrically overnight.
14:26:51 <Vorpal> mroman_, 3 TB transfer / month, not even close to hitting 1 TB
14:27:17 <mroman_> Yeah. I don't like paying for stuff I don't need :)
14:27:18 <Vorpal> not even close to hitting 10 GB / month currently
14:27:32 <mroman_> In switzerland the smallest thing you get is about 2GB RAM for 15CHF
14:27:35 <Vorpal> mroman_, well I need other stuff, rather than transfer. So meh
14:27:38 <mroman_> I really don't need that much
14:27:46 <mroman_> but netcup.de looks very good
14:28:02 <Vorpal> And it is packages rather than picking how much of each component you want
14:28:05 <J_Arcane> I got publicly involved in a patent issue a while back and my traffic went up by a factor of 10 overnight ...
14:28:43 <J_Arcane> Nothing, but some dingus was basically trying to patent character conversion in tabletop RPGs.
14:28:59 <J_Arcane> Seeing as I write them, I got a bit vocal on the subject.
14:29:16 <Vorpal> mroman_, fair enough, I found that linode had a good reputation and provided good bang for the buck though. Even though the fixed packages rather than configuring each component meant it isn't optimal
14:29:48 <mroman_> It was tricky though, to get mysqld and apache running with 300MB
14:30:01 <Vorpal> mroman_, I would suggest that nginx is a better web server
14:30:05 <mroman_> you can't run it with 300MB RAM without tweaking the config for low memory usage ;)
14:30:06 <int-e> Ramnode suspends VPSs when the bandwidth limit is reached.
14:30:07 <Vorpal> And PostgreSQL is a better DBMS
14:30:15 <mroman_> I don't need a Database anymore
14:30:24 <Vorpal> mroman_, well still, nginx is a better web server
14:30:54 <mroman_> although I might need one someday
14:31:06 <mroman_> acid-state I think still has the problem that it loads EVERYTHING into RAM
14:31:19 <Vorpal> mroman_, I have 2 GB RAM on that VPS, I run web and mail. Will run DNS master too soon
14:33:01 <mroman_> 2GB RAM is overkill for my 5 visitors a month
14:33:29 <mroman_> I think the burlesque shell is configured to use at most 25MB RAM
14:33:36 <Vorpal> Right. Same here, but the disk space in that plan is not
14:33:41 <mroman_> and 1s of CPU or something
14:33:51 <Vorpal> What is "burlesque shell"?
14:34:03 <mroman_> http://eso.mroman.ch/cgi/burlesque.cgi
14:34:22 <Vorpal> I'm not familiar with this eso(?) lang
14:35:14 <mroman_> as well as it's available on golf.shinh.org
14:35:33 <Vorpal> mroman_, oh and I run an IRC bot too
14:35:43 <Vorpal> That doesn't use much either
14:36:13 <mroman_> It's a J/APL-style Esolang though
14:36:15 <Vorpal> Seems that in total I'm using 224 MB RAM (plus buffers and cache)
14:36:23 <Vorpal> total used free shared buffers cached
14:36:23 <Vorpal> Mem: 2002 1814 187 0 87 1503
14:36:23 <Vorpal> -/+ buffers/cache: 224 1778
14:36:25 <mroman_> it has >300 built-ins (or verbs/commands)
14:36:33 <mroman_> way more than 300 actually
14:37:36 <mroman_> i.e. there's a built-in for ChiSquare-Tests
14:38:30 <mroman_> It can do pretty much everything you need to do your university CS homework ;)
14:38:35 <mroman_> that's what it was written for
14:38:50 <mroman_> {"ABC" "BAC" "CBA" "BCA" "CAB" "ACB"}
14:39:24 <mroman_> {"AA" "AB" "AC" "BA" "BB" "BC" "CA" "CB" "CC"}
14:40:14 <mroman_> {{0.4 'l} {0.2 'o} {0.2 'h} {0.2 'e}}
14:40:23 <mroman_> enough for the demonsttration ;)
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17:44:55 <J_Arcane> The Clojure threaded macro makes me irrationally angry.
17:45:43 <Bike> sexism in mathematics makes me rationally angry
17:50:00 <J_Arcane> https://gist.github.com/joegallo/b5e6bd2346cd261016be
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19:58:27 <mroman_> I still have the blsqbot I hope
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20:00:53 <mroman_> !blsq 100ro{1 365rn30.+^^NB==n!}m[F:sp
20:00:53 <blsqbot> Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
20:00:59 <mroman_> !blsq 10ro{1 365rn30.+^^NB==n!}m[F:sp
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20:01:53 <mroman_> !blsq 100ro{1 365rn30.+^^NB==n!}m[F:sp
20:02:58 <mroman_> !blsq 100ro{1 365rn60.+^^NB==n!}m[F:sp
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20:05:09 <mroman_> !blsq 100ro{1 365rn25.+U_n!}m[F:sp
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20:06:42 <mroman_> !blsq 100ro{1 365rn20.+U_n!}m[F:sp
20:06:48 <mroman_> !blsq 100ro{1 365rn22.+U_n!}m[F:sp
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20:07:34 <mroman_> !blsq 10000ro{1 365rn22.+U_n!}m[F:sp
20:07:34 <blsqbot> Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
20:08:02 <mroman_> !blsq 1000ro{1 365rn22.+U_n!}m[F:sp
20:08:02 <blsqbot> Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
20:08:47 <blsqbot> {2730 2731 2732 2746 2747 2748 2762 2763 2764 2986 2987 2988 3002 3003 3004 3018
20:09:10 <blsqbot> {170 171 172 186 187 188 202 203 204}
20:09:21 <mroman_> !blsq "abc"2CB^^{16B!}m[z[
20:09:22 <blsqbot> {{"aa" 170} {"ab" 171} {"ac" 172} {"ba" 186} {"bb" 187} {"bc" 188} {"ca" 202} {"
20:10:11 <blsqbot> {144 89 55 34 21 13 8 5 3 2 1 1}
20:10:26 <blsqbot> {618970019642690137449562112 36028797018963968 17179869184 2097152 8192 256 32 8
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20:11:31 <blsqbot> {{1 0 0} {0 0 1} {0 1 0} {1 0 0}}
20:12:29 <mroman_> !blsq {1 0 0}saPp{rt}pP?d!C#s
20:12:34 <mroman_> !blsq {1 0 0 0 0 0}saPp{rt}pP?d!C#s
20:12:34 <blsqbot> {{1 0 0 0 0 0} {0 1 0 0 0 0} {0 0 1 0 0 0} {0 0 0 1 0 0} {0 0 0 0 1 0} {0 0 0 0
20:13:54 <mroman_> however, the birthday problem doesn't take into account, that birthdays aren't exactly equally distributed
20:15:07 <myname> well, that should just raise the propability
20:17:04 <mroman_> F:)-]sm is the "are equally distributed check"
20:17:56 <blsqbot> {138 44 353 50 161 335 212 238 363 341}
20:18:02 <mroman_> !blsq 1 1 365rn10.+F:)-]sm
20:18:06 <mroman_> !blsq 1 1 365rn100.+F:)-]sm
20:18:49 <mroman_> there's an unparse builtin-in
20:19:07 <mroman_> and it's neatly undocumented
20:23:48 <blsqbot> ERROR: Burlsque: (n!) Invalid arguments!
20:24:16 <mroman_> !blsq {"abc""abc"}{L[}fuck
20:24:17 <blsqbot> ERROR: Burlsque: (n!) Invalid arguments!
20:24:24 <mroman_> !blsq {{"abc""abc"}}{L[}fuck
20:26:38 <mroman_> !blsq 1J{.+}10C!shitshitshitshitshitshit
20:28:51 <blsqbot> "I have 322 non-special builtins!"
20:31:12 <mroman_> probably useless but now you can ask for what the builtin number 300 is .
20:31:24 <blsqbot> That line gave me an error
20:32:06 <blsqbot> {J .+ _+ .- ./ .* .% +. -. .> .< >. <. >] <] ** r_ R_ == != <- ln un uN wl WL wL
20:32:31 <blsqbot> {Wl si ro rz nu fl to sr rn}
20:33:31 <blsqbot> ERROR: Burlesque: (.+) Invalid arguments!
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21:42:54 <oerjan> @type Debug.Trace.trace
21:43:24 <oerjan> @type System.IO.Unsafe.unsafeCoerce
21:43:25 <lambdabot> Not in scope: ‘System.IO.Unsafe.unsafeCoerce’
21:43:43 <oerjan> @type System.IO.Unsafe.unsafePerformIO
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21:44:21 <oerjan> @type Unsafe.Coerce.unsafeCoerce
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21:59:40 <oerjan> finland, finland, finland
22:00:29 <oerjan> fizzie: i'd like to point out london isn't a land yet, although who knows with all these referendums flying around
22:01:07 <fizzie> Was the Scotland thing already, I forget?
22:01:25 <oerjan> no it's in a bit over a week i think
22:01:45 <fizzie> We had an Edinburghian visitor who spoke of it.
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22:02:25 <fizzie> The non-independists were leading then, I guess.
22:04:45 <lambdabot> EFHK 102150Z VRB03KT 9999 FEW043 13/12 Q1020 NOSIG
22:05:16 <fizzie> Not foggy enough to show up there, I guess.
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