< 1410393668 779900 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1410393685 19596 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1410393875 942991 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Quit: diginet has quit! < 1410393981 78294 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410394020 574419 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1410394672 986761 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1410395047 545193 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1410395915 519891 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.47.146 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410396090 719396 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems a bit messy to define "label types" in Haskell; for example: data A = A deriving (Eq, Typeable); instance Xyzzy A where { xyzzy A = putStrLn "Hello, World!"; }; Defining the codes needed to use them can also be a bit messy. < 1410396160 774305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you could use type-level strings. < 1410396174 997690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are automatically Typeable and stuff < 1410396287 491796 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.47.146 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1410396327 23899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But would those do it? I suppose if you can then make instances, it can help. < 1410396352 693635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However it would look to be a bit less mathematically elegant then. < 1410396423 720408 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1410396475 288242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So using type-level strings doesn't look right to me. < 1410396640 542891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there better ways? Using macros or whatever? < 1410396655 285237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there proposals to fix this? < 1410396861 692931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nitey < 1410397565 155746 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410397584 394008 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410397896 183345 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wtjwszkcgujweoab QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1410398134 10508 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410398446 123518 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1410398582 485731 :paul2520!~paul2520@2602:306:8060:d3d0:45ab:a442:d0e8:7c89 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1410398672 902840 :paul2520!~paul2520@2602:306:8060:d3d0:809b:d3ad:215f:677b JOIN :#esoteric < 1410398960 977201 :paul2520!~paul2520@2602:306:8060:d3d0:809b:d3ad:215f:677b QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1410398978 824536 :paul2520!~paul2520@2602:306:8060:d3d0:809b:d3ad:215f:677b JOIN :#esoteric < 1410398982 930485 :paul_2520!~paul2520@2602:306:8060:d3d0:809b:d3ad:215f:677b JOIN :#esoteric < 1410399019 400581 :paul_2520!~paul2520@2602:306:8060:d3d0:809b:d3ad:215f:677b QUIT :Client Quit < 1410399019 615213 :paul2520!~paul2520@2602:306:8060:d3d0:809b:d3ad:215f:677b QUIT :Client Quit < 1410399037 930609 :paul2520!~paul2520@2602:306:8060:d3d0:809b:d3ad:215f:677b JOIN :#esoteric < 1410399304 821720 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1410399358 676862 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1410400586 780431 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: VAULTED CHICKEN < 1410400994 626783 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1410401167 710378 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1410401301 531324 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1410402781 440915 :impomatic!~digital_w@81.174.174.142 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410403058 682058 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1410403767 105610 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Quit: reboot time < 1410403784 567524 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1410404099 317104 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410404996 784069 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a good way to see if a 32bit library is available on a 64bit posix system? < 1410405563 764765 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 QUIT :Quit: restart < 1410405631 488467 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410406989 255573 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410407030 740537 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1410407063 8203 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1410407093 16102 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1410407620 66953 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410409858 452440 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1410413397 752296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "Gxxyuxihuvxi" more difficult than "Iuckqlwviv Kjugobe"? < 1410413701 593886 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dxn't knxw. < 1410414137 709893 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1410414641 402379 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1410415216 492302 :sivteck!~sivteck@unaffiliated/sivteck JOIN :#esoteric < 1410415361 570354 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1410415373 548187 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 12<- < 1410415373 726190 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 21 < 1410415808 211480 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1410416999 970440 :paul2520!~paul2520@2602:306:8060:d3d0:809b:d3ad:215f:677b QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1410417914 363747 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {1 2}ab < 1410417914 578763 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (ab) Invalid arguments! < 1410417917 846338 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1410418375 326659 :applybot!~applybot@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1410420143 957154 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned recently that Pokemon de Panepon is actually compatible with a mono GameBoy even though it says it requires a color GameBoy. If you push "A" button 24 times and then push "B" button 24 times, then it will start anyways, although the music is different and less game modes are available. < 1410420167 801305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This works even if you have a color GameBoy.) < 1410420259 822053 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recentlyl learned that Pokemon Yellow(?) is turing complete . < 1410420479 138071 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1410420555 826115 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: is that the one using a buffer overflow to write machine code using the inventory? < 1410420601 686400 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.curtisbright.com/bln/2013/03/01/pokemon-yellow-is-turing-complete/ < 1410420627 403798 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because that just means the Z80 (or whatever cpu it uses) is turing complete, as far as I'm concerned) < 1410420891 874490 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah < 1410421019 995924 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1410421026 374475 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :content: doesn't work for inputs? < 1410421146 882245 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if chip's challenge is turing complete (a periodic pattern of walls would be needed) < 1410421178 521841 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should make it a language and wait for oerjan to prove it < 1410421385 280604 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1410421386 617906 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1410421420 189581 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-144.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1410421430 756524 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1410421433 801871 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we're talking < 1410421446 568322 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The monster move order could make things complicated, though. < 1410421515 843838 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it allowed to write div::first-letter:before? < 1410421521 439445 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(CSS3) < 1410421637 560014 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1410421720 919973 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: I don't think so < 1410421771 144628 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fun < 1410421881 704182 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect :not doesn't work in CSS < 1410421902 752252 :Guest62656!skarn@binary.firrre.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1410421939 519331 :skarn!skarn@binary.firrre.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1410421943 213363 :skarn!skarn@binary.firrre.com NICK :Guest42178 < 1410421957 602666 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :div.bar:not(div.bar::first-letter) {color: green;} < 1410421974 403668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard of the inventory buffer overflow in Pokemon Yellow. The CPU is similar to Z80, although there are some differences. < 1410421986 547783 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought it would select everything in div.bar except the first-letter < 1410422179 362756 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1410422188 453352 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a:visited::after isn't working either < 1410422331 792339 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think browsers don't support certain stuff for security reasons < 1410422354 594997 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether CSS says that you can't use a:visited ~ p? < 1410422383 828869 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1410422612 136041 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1410422713 720943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410425143 193965 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ragaraja14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40432&oldid=36700 5* 03Mauriceling 5* (+1) 10 < 1410425290 526268 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ragaraja14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40433&oldid=40432 5* 03Mauriceling 5* (-4) 10 < 1410425422 988538 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1410425458 476169 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1410425471 493357 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1410425472 79837 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1410425561 131618 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ragaraja14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40434&oldid=40433 5* 03Mauriceling 5* (+0) 10/* Influences from other works */ < 1410427151 471608 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@116.37.228.28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410427941 711688 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd < 1410427949 147192 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :using Java Random Numbers from 1..10 < 1410427964 787658 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a set of 4096 random numbers there are numbers that occur 50 times as much < 1410428022 843912 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks broken < 1410428112 993388 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: maybe show a testcase code? < 1410428158 125077 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/O5Q24OSM < 1410428190 486850 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes a number occurs up to 80 times as much as the least occuring number < 1410428252 967410 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1410428257 651682 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I said... broken :) < 1410428265 337886 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew this couldn't be < 1410428272 365940 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1410428278 656500 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo :) < 1410428330 419626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (962) < 1410428330 984167 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (962): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1410428427 617195 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a bug in my histogram function) < 1410428435 196971 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1410428445 271806 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1410428487 539893 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the range of 1.1-1.3 times as many actually < 1410428490 905346 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok < 1410428502 30009 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's within my threshold of what I accept as uniformly distributed < 1410428958 144611 :impomatic!~digital_w@81.174.174.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410429918 495165 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap :( < 1410431127 973737 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410431894 379144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1410432067 681776 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1410432086 187834 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1410432101 76752 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1410432230 241913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's curious; I've read the .nextInt(n) API docs, and they're very proud about how they actually bother to work around the usual nonuniformness problems. < 1410432241 137621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh list < 1410432253 126301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By rejecting up to 1/2 of sampled numbers in the worst case.) < 1410432294 269197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/util/Random.html#nextInt(int) < 1410432337 60385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though I didn't check the code, maybe that deviation is in fact within the expected bounds given how many numbers you make and so on.) < 1410432520 432275 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The algorithm is slightly tricky." < 1410432593 813746 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The class uses a 48-bit seed, which is modified using a linear congruential formula." < 1410432606 580425 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some day I'll buy a lava lamp just to get real random numbers. < 1410432613 593870 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think whitening an LCG really matters < 1410432790 274019 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an LCG is doomed to be predictable, broken, maimed, fold, cut, spindled, mutilated and otherwise exploited. < 1410432862 890284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying this cryptographic LCG is a sham < 1410432898 6475 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite. < 1410432919 317954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It certainly matters to pick the high bits instead of the low ones, even with a LCG. There's bad, and then there's really bad. < 1410434106 358298 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CONSTABLE CHICKEN < 1410435053 964137 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-149-145.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1410435115 518715 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-149-145.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1410435377 978042 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1410435493 19828 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type (:=) < 1410435494 281390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor ‘:=’ < 1410435494 459010 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1410435494 459167 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘:+’ (imported from Data.Complex), < 1410435501 653533 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type (=:) < 1410435502 678161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘=:’ < 1410435502 861647 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant ‘==’ (imported from Data.Eq) < 1410435540 867786 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's pretty uniform @nextInt < 1410435744 208903 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/0.8646 < 1410435745 747849 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.1566042100393246 < 1410435798 326102 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 128.0/4096.0 < 1410435799 826796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.125e-2 < 1410435807 695470 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be pretty uniform < 1410435818 102399 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :most occurences over 4096*2 numbers is 882 < 1410435827 602343 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and least occurences is 754 < 1410435844 907853 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. the most common number occuers 882 and the least common number occures 754 times) < 1410435853 70246 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*occurs < 1410435869 720004 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (128.0/4096.0)*100.0 < 1410435871 163487 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.125 < 1410435883 85921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically you can calculate how much variation there _should_ be. (and complain if there's too little.) < 1410435938 134035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it would be just as suspicious if all numbers were _exactly_ the same number of times. < 1410435954 626576 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1410435983 844537 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Measuring randomness is hard < 1410435996 893025 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably bound by Mr. Halting Problem < 1410436113 443756 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :3, 9, 27, 81, 243, 729 for example complies to the distribution restriction < 1410436127 831787 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(numbers are more or less equally distributed) < 1410436132 701767 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's obviously not random < 1410436164 754606 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use additional rotation/diff and rotation/factor methods < 1410436164 932288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there is an unproved conjecture that you can generate in polynomial time a PRNG that cannot be distinguished from a true one in polynomial time. < 1410436187 795062 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410436206 43896 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. I rotate the sequence and calculate the diff to the original sequence, then watch out for subsequences of equal numbers) < 1410436316 555753 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maximum . map (length) . group $ zipWith (-) [1,2,3,1,2,3] [2,3,1,2,3,1] < 1410436317 953818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1410436320 414751 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that < 1410436338 869126 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this yields a too large number I reject it < 1410436361 998947 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although I take the maximum of all rotations of the original sequence) < 1410436371 396606 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-175.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1410436411 405303 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-175.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1410436411 583341 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1410436463 446622 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-175.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1410436491 836869 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Feuermonster14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40435&oldid=40337 5* 03Feuermonster 5* (+142) 10/* Others */ (Number challenges) < 1410436502 654527 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-175.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1410436502 870728 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1410436705 384438 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1410437042 12503 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410437825 444947 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1410440065 448764 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1410440519 100175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"3GPP listening tests conducted in August are continuing with a categorization phase of the upcoming audio codec. Finnish has been selected as a part of the tests --" < 1410440542 2865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, we're having Influence over Things. < 1410440560 386799 :mauris!~mauris@127.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1410440565 163812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for the audio codec for "5G" networks. < 1410440937 486151 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1410440945 935492 :paul2520!~paul2520@2602:306:8060:d3d0:9:bff9:16eb:ea0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410441019 291111 :paul2520!~paul2520@2602:306:8060:d3d0:9:bff9:16eb:ea0 QUIT :Client Quit < 1410441338 61245 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense, that's where these things are first deployed. < 1410441731 562369 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1410442618 307788 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-144.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1410442647 51719 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-144.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you call a product of two primes p and q with gcd(p - 1, q - 1) = 2? < 1410442661 843053 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-144.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this includes eg. all sophie germain primes) < 1410442679 323615 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-144.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(products of them...) < 1410442866 755627 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the non-zero squares form a cyclic group under multiplication modulo pq. Maybe a name could be derived from that. < 1410443106 281934 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-144.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah. < 1410443121 775856 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-144.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any suggestions? Anything that already exists (even better)? < 1410443810 377557 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue whether there's a name for it. I'm tempted to call the numbers semicyclic, alluding to the fact that the multiplicative group modulo pq is a direct product of C_2 and a cyclic group, but I'm not convinced that this name is actually good. < 1410443949 116019 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and I wouldn't be surprised if there was a name for this; the concept looks interesting enough to have one. < 1410444028 906605 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1410444361 720893 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-144.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: do you know about research/books/... on this type of numbers? < 1410444811 183753 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no. < 1410445070 204604 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-175.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1410445105 329739 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-175.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1410445105 518887 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1410447079 534970 :paul2520!~paul2520_@134.48.94.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410448678 830672 :sivteck!~sivteck@unaffiliated/sivteck QUIT :Quit: TH HT < 1410448710 77492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1410448816 935446 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1410449206 542060 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1410449664 564156 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1410452791 29339 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-209-0.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1410453279 660988 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/09/11/hack-n-slash-review/ < 1410453943 386733 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tmqkbenciflbbdlq JOIN :#esoteric < 1410454915 395943 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a list of primes that can be expressed as the sum of two consecutive primes? < 1410455361 619126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any others than 5? Discounting 2, all primes are odd, and the sum of two of them is even and not a prime. < 1410455566 892793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sequence of sums of 2 successive primes is A001043. < 1410455591 982945 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1410455743 90260 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410455764 14754 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410455918 363822 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410455944 30491 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410456055 582039 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1410456294 82216 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1410456555 996604 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410457180 860044 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1410457201 546661 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1410457841 381783 :realzies!~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410457841 598695 :realzies!~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Changing host < 1410457841 598838 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1410459119 654694 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm rewriting my Befunge-98 interpreter < 1410459121 97271 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :again < 1410459122 187659 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1410459287 976850 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410460265 27125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410462393 164395 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1410462710 193825 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :intptr_t[] < 1410463057 534234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410463069 118689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410463307 506000 :intptr_t[]!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1410463872 683173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, is this "piles of trash bags on the pavement" a Britain-wide thing, or just a London-specific thing? < 1410464297 645544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's Britain-wide but only on specific days of the week < 1410464323 159386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was smelly. < 1410464373 868189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410464386 447260 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410464389 932442 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:38] fizzie: it's Britain-wide but only on specific days of the week < 1410464391 23060 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:38] the policy is, we have to put the trash bags onto the pavement (=sidewalk) early on certain days < 1410464392 490712 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:38] then the council send around lorries to collect them < 1410464393 971961 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:38] it's the normal method of waste disposal < 1410464394 703075 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1410464394 881017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410464395 547657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:38] putting them out too early gets you in serious trouble < 1410464416 36413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does it work differently in Finland, btw? < 1410464581 221509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, every building has a box. Or, these days, a whole lot of separate color-coded boxes for different types of waste. < 1410464655 653837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how recyclable waste works in the UKp < 1410464675 103552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outside the most urban areas, quite often something shed-like on the back/frontyard. < 1410464700 732591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vaasalaisia.info/uploads/roskikset.jpg <- typical example, looks quite a lot like our particular shed. < 1410464753 636500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410464753 814315 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410464757 801715 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1410464770 460933 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-144.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1410464784 931494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a 50-apartments-or-so building, and I think we have three big-ish "landfill waste" boxes, a big paper recycling one, a big cardboard/milk-carton recycling one, two small compostable bio-waste boxes, a small box for glass and a small box for metal. < 1410464913 688144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With different collection frequencies for the different kinds. < 1410464922 377224 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a system with colored bags for bio-waste that you throw with normal waste and it all gets sorted out at the wherever-the-garbage-goes place < 1410464966 130979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actual home owners don't typically sort all that much, since I think the collection service gets more expensive the fancier you get. < 1410464973 965288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it could be they've passed more regulations about that. < 1410464991 151432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know we had to get rid of one of the big boxes to fit the glass and metal containers in the garbage shed. < 1410465017 861093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that might easily be a rule that only applies when the number of people living somewhere passes a threshold. < 1410465059 643950 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :zomg_dogecoin_fo < 1410465076 428213 :zomg_dogecoin_fo!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1410465121 102721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we don't yet have split containers for "landfill waste" and "energy waste" (stuff you can burn safely, generally), unlike a lot of places. < 1410465125 452474 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v, are you the same ^v from #bp < 1410465150 507833 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1410465150 685486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the sorting rules for that are much more complicated. < 1410465172 149234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, you can put in plastic grades 01, 02, 04, 05 and 06, but not 03.) < 1410465218 500894 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410465264 963387 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, esper? < 1410465266 140348 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1410465274 565160 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeire < 1410465274 768897 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exept ^v is my bot there < 1410465278 690963 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :all waste gets processed as energy waste here, I think for district heating < 1410465282 533001 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1410465283 597669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :eerie < 1410465286 398628 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1410465291 95399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: They are prototyping that around hereabouts. < 1410465291 273078 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v, wait, what does it do < 1410465300 652596 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of stuff < 1410465301 386442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think they were having some trouble with cat litter. < 1410465307 626387 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :including a bunch of esolangs < 1410465337 823560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, and they thought there were no bots in the channel < 1410465411 810892 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, here's the rules. There has to be at least the general "landfill waste" collection, and then separately compostable stuff if there are >= 10 apartments, cardboard/cartons if >= 10 (since 2014; before that, >= 20), and glass/metal if >= 20 (since 2014). < 1410465433 427631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1410465451 685707 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1410465456 214779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and paper recycling, but apparently that's free-of-charge unless your place is too far out there. < 1410465463 973468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile: i found some geometric group theory notes online which talk about 'intergers' and take about half a page just to define the span of a group < 1410465491 831256 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they define it as an intersection of subgroups or some shit < 1410465503 278910 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's one big plant here for the whole city here, so I expect it to burn everything including cat litter < 1410465598 822577 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently waste heat somehow makes the thing run worse, so they've started laying down ground heating across town to de-ice the streets in winter and to cool the return water down < 1410465612 617557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it burns badly. < 1410465616 970713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cat litter, I mean. < 1410465627 786675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Increases the frequency they need to clean the burninators. < 1410465661 354940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they've specified that it needs to go to a separate landfill collection, though I'm pretty sure not everyone's even aware of that. < 1410465836 443932 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1410466067 615742 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1410466229 223442 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1410466709 710577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140911-view.jpg <- a room with a view. < 1410467107 615373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1410467107 864574 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. My Finnish class at uni was in a room like that. < 1410467116 560287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410467149 351639 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-149-145.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lessee here … yellow lid: recyclable packaging; brown lid: compostable / organic waste; blue lid: paper and cardboard; black/grey lid: what’s left. < 1410467260 941981 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-149-145.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass you bring to a container somewhere in the wider neighborhood, separated by color. < 1410467281 222717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grey box for unsorted waste, brown for compostable/organic, green for paper, blue for cardboard/cartons, I forget what color exactly the metal/glass boxes are. < 1410467316 898278 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-149-145.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ← in Germany, btw. < 1410467338 719590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used to have per-city-district "clear glass" and "colored glass" collection points, but I'm not sure if those still exist now that the per-building collection is more common. < 1410467381 892483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane2: This was a hotel room, but kind of a last-minute reservation, so it's perhaps not the one they book first. < 1410467406 200433 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh, yeah. That can happen. < 1410467683 397835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think our bottle recycling deposits are relatively large (€0.10 for .33l bottles, €0.15 for cans, €0.20 for 0.5l bottles and 0.40€ for the 1.5l/2l ones), and we get quite a lot of them back. < 1410467705 739322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Glass bottles have almost 100% recycling and are refilled 33 times on average. Aluminium cans have a recycling rate of about 94% and PET bottles 92% (2010), deemed to be top statistics internationally." -Wikipedia, "Container deposit legislation". < 1410467735 23626 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brompton World Championship 2009: http://youtu.be/U-grD3srTe4 not sure if brilliant or crazy < 1410467786 920259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: we're not allowed to put glass in general waste < 1410467799 44806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think because they don't want the waste handling lorries to have to cope with broken glass < 1410467830 984912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(#esoteric - it's all about waste management now.) < 1410467974 187117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly we have to make this into an esolang < 1410468070 546964 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the rule 34 analogue for brainfuck derivatives, there's a garbage-themed one already. < 1410468163 545180 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ICFP 2007 has one or two esolangs in it (depending on how you count) and had a garbage-themed back story: http://save-endo.cs.uu.nl/ < 1410468238 169252 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: about the garbage-themed back story: http://johanjeuring.blogspot.hu/2007/07/emorphency.html < 1410468340 193585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's no brainfuck derivative, but it'll do. < 1410468353 835308 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, definitely not a BF-derivative < 1410468868 509819 :paul2520!~paul2520_@134.48.94.68 QUIT : < 1410468903 937245 :paul2520!~paul2520_@134.48.94.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410469083 977978 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1410469097 811279 :paul2520!~paul2520_@134.48.94.68 QUIT :Client Quit < 1410469154 139385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what is the rule forty-two analogue for brainfuck derivatives? < 1410469190 767682 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a rule 42 analogue about rule 42 analogues? < 1410469222 350886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is rule 42, anyway? < 1410469272 365928 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: rule 34 probably < 1410469290 544371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: according to the list on TV Tropes, rule 42 is "nothing is sacred" < 1410469408 516450 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1410469618 647975 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clem14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40436 5* 03173.67.61.149 5* (+4933) 10Created page with "The Clem language ---- Clem is a stack based programming language with first-class functions. The best way to learn Clem is to run the `clem` interpreter in interactive mode,..." < 1410469872 891783 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clem14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40437&oldid=40436 5* 03173.67.61.149 5* (+115) 10 < 1410470048 688640 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, are there no Lovecraftian esolangs? < 1410470066 549151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1410470174 314919 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clem14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40438&oldid=40437 5* 03173.67.61.149 5* (+39) 10 < 1410470208 72645 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane2: you should make one < 1410470215 273325 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should. < 1410470224 655245 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that could be my first toy Common Lisp project. < 1410470246 286094 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clem14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40439&oldid=40438 5* 03173.67.61.149 5* (+1) 10 < 1410470286 344903 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clem14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40440&oldid=40439 5* 03173.67.61.149 5* (+1) 10 < 1410470327 918872 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clem14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40441&oldid=40440 5* 03173.67.61.149 5* (+8) 10 < 1410470346 543506 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I still kinda want to do a Finnish programming language. :D < 1410470369 609287 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be a good excuse to merge my language and programming studies. < 1410470608 984009 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40442&oldid=40361 5* 03173.67.61.149 5* (+11) 10 < 1410470725 887451 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Although, if I really wanted to practice macroing zzo38's Peyo would be a fun one. < 1410470762 497370 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1410470806 647857 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought rule forty-two is all persons more than a mile high must leave the court < 1410470841 171594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know a cheat code for Pokemon Card GB2 to allow to request a rematch against any NPC in the game? < 1410471041 376198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1410471095 185682 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1410471307 711044 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1410471384 803917 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Excess Flood < 1410471397 399120 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1410471509 395281 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1410471646 397338 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1410471871 945032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1410472126 863482 :paul2520!~pi@104-6-13-61.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410472588 49187 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Imaginer114]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40443&oldid=40387 5* 03Imaginer1 5* (+14) 10 < 1410472668 967083 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1410473039 244695 :paul2520!~pi@104-6-13-61.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1410473171 601143 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from scheme and ruby, what languages use question marks and/or excalmation points as part of symbols to conventionally mark predicates and in-place functions? I'd especially like to know < 1410473189 286860 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether any older languages do that and where scheme and ruby had inherited this notation from. < 1410473226 185117 :paul2520!~pi@104-6-13-61.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410473262 211858 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basic has a ? shortcut for PRINT. But I suspect that's not what you mean. < 1410473293 363159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z-machine assembly language uses question marks for some (but not all) predicate functions. < 1410473300 184916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen the ! somewhere else. < 1410473301 881743 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane2: yes, I'm specifically asking for the same usage as in scheme < 1410473306 796858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I see < 1410473312 295928 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that < 1410473317 594914 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the reason why not all of them do. < 1410473335 222662 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Does this count? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%3F: < 1410473344 363348 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you happen to know if smalltalk has these? < 1410473375 815045 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane2: no. I've specifically said "part of symbols"! < 1410473391 174876 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I think there's nil. < 1410473420 55602 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: meh, ruby and scheme are inconsistent in using them as well < 1410473422 995415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially ruby < 1410473430 194765 :mauris!~mauris@127.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :logo or something? < 1410473450 816904 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about logo < 1410473461 282807 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: from what i remember of very old lisp code, i think the ? convention started with scheme < 1410473464 968747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Julia does the !, I think. But not a source of anything. < 1410473471 260920 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think even maclisp did it < 1410473481 129127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LISP used 'P' instead. < 1410473485 166662 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I think some PILOT variants used a ? for certain conditionals. < 1410473502 755516 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, and I think some languages use x or -x instead of the exclamation mark < 1410473516 447550 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y? or somesuch like that following the choice statement. < 1410473520 116826 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maclisp was what scheme was implemented in, so < 1410473555 801180 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://maclisp.info/pitmanual/symbol.html#SYMBOLP yep yep. < 1410473558 976077 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm quite sure BANCStar doesn't use this convention) < 1410473609 868194 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim uses ! in the name of some ex commands, but I don't think it ever means in place < 1410473862 241629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logo does both P and ? styles, but that's just the LISP genes talking: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~bh/v1ch4/predic.html < 1410473866 611917 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clem14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40444&oldid=40441 5* 03173.67.61.149 5* (+626) 10 < 1410473890 67036 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :logo postdates scheme, right? < 1410473913 378151 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You know until it was pointed out to me v. recently I never had any idea there was a connection between Logo and Lisp. < 1410473915 461670 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clem14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40445&oldid=40444 5* 03173.67.61.149 5* (+30) 10 < 1410474015 134310 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clem14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40446&oldid=40445 5* 03173.67.61.149 5* (-2) 10Cleaning up formatting < 1410474028 801305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mostly it seems to mean "overrule some kind of protection" < 1410474065 827234 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep now < 1410474151 801334 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clem14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40447&oldid=40446 5* 03173.67.61.149 5* (+5) 10 < 1410474210 490295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some of those commands definitely _are_ "in place", but it's not really the ! which denotes it < 1410475622 90496 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :K-Lined < 1410475852 761612 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1410475935 914517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ruby and scheme use them differently < 1410475949 739219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though ruby is a bit inconsistent, it's true < 1410475991 481555 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, ruby is probably more inconsistent than scheme < 1410475998 961555 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in using these < 1410476021 572514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: in ruby it's something like, .x! is the in-place version of .x < 1410476027 793359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than being used for just anything tha tmutates < 1410476039 19435 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I for one don't really like these punctuation < 1410476041 92436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes there's .x! without .x, I guess when it's not obvious that it would be doing something in-place < 1410476045 548373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yep < 1410476055 754755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas in scheme everything that mutates gets a !, more or less < 1410476060 871295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though not all IO...) < 1410476078 704265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like all hungarian notation: just a really weak type system < 1410476252 590834 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :there < 1410476258 804889 :there!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude < 1410476634 547964 :mauris!~mauris@127.127-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1410477173 693151 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410477574 933379 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410479332 922796 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow