00:00:08 <AndoDaan> and weathering heights... I think
00:00:16 <oerjan> i've somehow found myself learning the lyrics to a _russian_ 80s pop ballad recently
00:02:28 <boily> alyx? what's an alyx?
00:02:37 <oerjan> until i heard it by accident on youtube i've always thought it was swedish.
00:02:51 <oerjan> it means "scarlet" iiuc
00:03:29 <oerjan> (technically it isn't russian either, but latvian.)
00:04:18 <boily> while we're on old folkloric stuff, one song I like a little bit too much: http://youtu.be/S4aqM_wu6Ns
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00:06:25 <olsner> ooh, are those accurate subtitles?
00:06:48 <boily> afaicuc, I'd say so.
00:07:04 <olsner> it really brings a new dimension to this already great song
00:09:01 <boily> really, some day I'll find a way to extract some recording of you saying OKAY.
00:09:26 <boily> (probably also very lâchement use it as a ringtone on my cellphone ^^)
00:09:45 <olsner> just travel to northern norway and collect the sample, how hard could it be
00:11:34 <boily> I shall acquire a few pounds of lembas first, then prepare myself for the long voyage until Ørjanland.
00:12:40 <olsner> in norway it's called lefse, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lefse
00:13:25 <olsner> I think örjanland might have an airport actually
00:14:01 <oerjan> if you travel by ferry you can get https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svele instead
00:14:32 <oerjan> olsner: just be aware that the airport is right next to Hell hth
00:15:09 <olsner> is hell between the airport and örjanland?
00:15:57 <olsner> hm, then maybe travel is not to be recommended
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01:56:09 <Sgeo> I made a comment on FB along the lines of
01:56:10 <Sgeo> "Web technology is simple right up until the point that you discovered that some subtle mistake that you made works fine in browsers A, B, and C, totally breaks in D, and looks like it's working fine but introduces a security hole to E."
01:56:23 <Sgeo> Are there any bugs that could realistically show all three behaviors in different browsers?
01:56:39 <newsham> sgeo: there is no standard for web
01:56:49 <Sgeo> I mean, works-in-one-blatant-breakage-in-another is simple enogh, but security hole in a third?
01:56:55 <newsham> so there can be no correctness for web
01:56:57 <Sgeo> As in, how literal can my comment get?
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02:23:04 <Sgeo> Also, apparently I don't know how to use jQuery
02:23:21 <Sgeo> I thought $("<input type='hidden'>") sort of things would work. Not sure why
02:23:50 <Sgeo> It ... did seem to work in Chrome... which is odd, why would jQuery-provided functionality be browser specific?
02:25:36 <Sgeo> "If the HTML is more complex than a single tag without attributes, as it is in the above example, the actual creation of the elements is handled by the browser's .innerHTML mechanism."
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02:26:24 <Sgeo> "To ensure cross-platform compatibility, the snippet must be well-formed."
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03:28:15 <shachaf> int-e: imagine if lambdabot imported Data.Monoid.Nonfree from http://hackage.haskell.org/package/nonfree
03:36:15 <Sgeo> shachaf: Oh! So it's a cheat monoid to see what the nesting looks like?
03:36:33 <shachaf> There's more documentation than the Haddock page shows.
03:36:49 <shachaf> Hackage was using an old version of Haddock and it got cut off or something.
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06:10:54 <Sgeo> I should treat the web more like Tcl: A thing to learn by reading documentation, not by example.
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06:32:21 <Jafet> Make sure to check the manual of all unintended browser-specific security holes
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07:36:06 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Puzzlang]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40459&oldid=40357 * AndoDaan * (+9) /* Implementation */ new location for the Interpreter.
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07:47:40 <fizzie> The weirdest. My bouncer has an open TCP connection to a freenode server that seems to have become permanently stuck.
07:48:32 <fizzie> It's all "ERROR Proxy not connected, please wait before sending commands" when trying to make it do anything, and in the logs it stopped before its usual "connected" message, but it's not timing out either.
07:48:55 <fizzie> (It's also the stupidest thing that it doesn't accept the "jump to next server" command if it's still "connecting".
07:49:23 <fizzie> I'd restart it, but it's also connected to another network, and that side is working fine.
07:50:44 <fizzie> I don't suppose there's any reasonable way to reset a TCP connection from outside the process?
07:50:58 <fizzie> Perhaps I could attach a debugger, do a close on the fd and detach.
07:51:49 <fizzie> Heh, ps lists the "process started" field as just "2013".
07:52:51 <fizzie> ...and it also has open file descriptors up to 153.
07:55:01 <fizzie> Can't tell which of these hundreds of socket:[12484161]'s is the offending one.
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08:07:48 <shachaf> https://plus.google.com/117663015413546257905/posts/fcaZDBYaNkt
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09:20:56 <mroman_> http://fmnssun.github.io/Burlesque/ <- new Burlesque tutorial
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09:49:05 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:4: parse error on input ‘..’
09:49:24 <mroman_> > ['a'..'z']++['A'-'Z']++['0'-'9']
09:49:25 <lambdabot> No instance for (GHC.Num.Num GHC.Types.Char)
09:49:36 <mroman_> > length $ ['a'..'z']++['A'..'Z']++['0'..'9']
09:52:17 <mroman_> how many printable asciis are there?
09:52:36 <mroman_> > length $ ['a'..'z']++['A'..'Z']++['0'..'9']++".:?![]_#+*/"
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10:05:18 <Melvar`> > filter isPrint ['\0'..'\255']
10:05:20 <lambdabot> " !\"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_`abcdefgh...
10:05:28 <Melvar`> > length $ filter isPrint ['\0'..'\255']
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10:05:47 <Melvar> > length $ filter isPrint ['\0'..'\127']
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10:24:32 <mroman_> > filter isPrint ['\0'..'\127']
10:24:33 <lambdabot> " !\"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_`abcdefgh...
10:24:47 <mroman_> > drop 50 $ filter isPrint ['\0'..'\127']
10:24:49 <lambdabot> "RSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~"
10:25:32 <mroman_> yeah, but I can't use 0-9 and . because those are numbers
10:26:28 <mroman_> I'd have to switch into ANSI of some sort
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10:28:27 <myname> well, if you golf for chars, you should definitely go for unicode
10:37:06 <myname> mroman_: okay, this is actually the first time i notice that blsq and j programs are build from different directions
10:38:58 <myname> i am a bit disappointed that there is no burlesque package in AUR though
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10:39:44 <mroman_> It's widely unknown except in the anagol golfing scene
10:39:52 <myname> because everthing™ is there
10:41:32 <Taneb> I believe J is vector-based like APL
10:41:48 <mroman_> although it's a little bit vectorish I guess as well
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10:44:56 <blsqbot> {1.7320508075688772 2.449489742783178 3.0}
10:45:33 <mroman_> ?+ and .+ aren't the same Command
10:45:59 <mroman_> !blsq {1 2 3}{1 2 3}{.+}Z[
10:45:59 <blsqbot> {ERROR: Burlesque: (.+) Invalid arguments! {1 1} ERROR: Burlesque: (.+) Invalid
10:46:01 <mroman_> !blsq {1 2 3}{1 2 3}{.+}Z]
10:46:07 <mroman_> !blsq {1 2 3}{4 5 6}{.+}Z]
10:46:36 <myname> so, what if you don't zip?
10:47:02 <myname> !blsq {1 2 3}{4 5 6}.+
10:48:02 <myname> well, to be honest, i do think having the same operator for addition and concatenating isn't the best choice
10:48:56 <mroman_> !blsq {1 2 3}{4 5 6}.+{5 6}.-
10:48:56 <blsqbot> ERROR: Burlesque: (.-) Invalid arguments!
10:49:11 <mroman_> I guess that only works for strings
10:49:28 <mroman_> that's bad. It should work for lists as well I guess
10:50:14 <myname> _+ does the same as .+?
10:52:28 <mroman_> myname: the problem was that I released some version of Burlesque on golf.shinh.org
10:52:31 <myname> i'd prefer something like 1 2.+ -> 3, {1 2}{3 4}.+ -> {4 6}, "a" "b" ?+ -> "ab", {1 2}{3 4} ?+ -> {1 2 3 4}
10:52:42 <mroman_> which forced me to be backwards compatible at all cost
10:52:55 <mroman_> which is why some commands behave a little bit weird or some are duplicates except in rare cases
10:54:13 <mroman_> I would have moved {1 2 3}{1 2 3}.+ to _+
10:54:16 <myname> some basic idea of what J does is: if a command cannot be used on the input in any useful way and the input is a list, it will be ziped automatically
10:54:24 <mroman_> because backwards compat...
10:55:37 <mroman_> my eval loop sadly doesn't know what arguments the commands want
10:55:42 <mroman_> only the commands know that
10:56:17 <mroman_> the most common commands automatically zip or map
10:56:28 <blsqbot> {{2 2 5 5} {2 2 2 3 5} {23 43}}
10:59:40 <blsqbot> ERROR: Burlesque: (sa) Invalid arguments!
10:59:43 <blsqbot> ERROR: Unknown command: (SA)!
10:59:50 <blsqbot> ERROR: Burlesque: (S[) Invalid arguments!
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11:01:19 <mroman_> ) performs a map and : performs a filter
11:02:45 <blsqbot> {36028797018963968 17179869184 2097152 8192 256 32 8 4 2 2 1}
11:09:37 <mroman_> myname: there's also some inconsistency between concat and implode
11:10:09 <blsqbot> ERROR: (line 1, column 13):
11:10:15 <blsqbot> ERROR: Burlesque: (++) Invalid arguments!
11:11:00 <blsqbot> ERROR: Burlesque: (++) Invalid arguments!
11:11:27 <blsqbot> ERROR: Burlesque: (++) Invalid arguments!
11:11:37 <mroman_> XXim is *supposed* to be the identity
11:11:45 <mroman_> for historical reasons it's not
11:12:52 <blsqbot> Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
11:12:59 <blsqbot> ERROR: Burlesque: (++) Invalid arguments!
11:13:10 <blsqbot> 1234567891011121314151617181920
11:15:27 <blsqbot> Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
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11:27:12 <lambdabot> cannot mix ‘Data.List.\\’ [infix 5] and ‘Data.List.\\’ [infix 5] in the ...
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11:29:42 <blsqbot> {'0 '1 '2 '3 '4 '5 '6 '7 '8 '9 'A 'B 'C 'D 'E 'F 'G 'H 'I 'J 'K 'L 'M 'N 'O 'P '
11:29:46 <blsqbot> "0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz\170\178\179\181\
11:36:42 <b_jonas> in HTTP, if I receive an X-Forwarded-For header from a reverse proxy, and this contains multiple addresses, in which order are they? the one closest to the final server the request is forwarded to is on which end?
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12:00:24 <mroman_> Can't find anything in the rfc as well
12:02:21 <b_jonas> I'll have to test then when setting up a reverse proxy, by sending an X-Forwarded-For to it
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14:58:54 <boily> I read them. as a responsible IRC addict, I changed my password.
15:04:12 <Melvar> Perhaps I misinterpreted your wondering: I thought it referred to the heaping of netsplits and timeouts preceding, which could be explained by the notices.
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15:13:54 <fizzie> 95 was the correct answer for printable ASCII; 32..126.
15:16:43 <oerjan> my recent russian cartoon watching keeps bringing musical surprises, a few hours ago i learned "those were the days" is originally russian
15:18:13 <oerjan> (i was all ready to fix wikipedia's page on nu, pogodi when i heard it and didn't see it listed by its english name)
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15:39:38 <int-e> I remember those, poor wolf.
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17:44:49 <Sgeo> https://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp/comments/2g7dix/a_cryptocurrency_whose_reference_implementation/
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17:49:40 <Bike> validating json with a regex
17:49:52 <ion> all of my wat
17:50:45 <coppro> the PHP hammer is still amazing. I giggle every time I see it
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18:45:12 <Sgeo> What's this about passwords?
18:45:57 <int-e> some freenode server has been compromised apparently
18:46:46 <Bike> anybody could be compromised
18:46:50 <Bike> i don't even know you're sgeo, really
18:47:36 <Sgeo> Changed Freenode password. But there's been no kind of check if the person chnaging the password is really who they claim to be
18:48:10 <Bike> from now on i shall refer to you as ngeo, for not-sgeo
18:49:43 <int-e> . o O ( "My ... name ... is ... Sgeo!" ... followed by a subway train. )
18:52:33 <J_Arcane> Dammit, now I gotta come up with another throwaway password just for a stupid IRC nick? :P
18:55:53 <fizzie> Or ask your computer to come up with one, it's not like it has anything better to do.
18:56:17 <fizzie> I don't think I've used my password in a long time, since https://freenode.net/certfp/
18:59:21 <Vorpal> Does anyone know a reasonable guide to the sudoers file?
18:59:25 <Vorpal> The man page is terrible
18:59:39 <Vorpal> It begins with an introduction to EBNF ffs.
19:01:06 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, It is a classic example of a terrible man page
19:02:43 <Vorpal> Basically I'm trying to work out how to make a specific user be able to run a specific command with specific command line arguments
19:11:44 <fizzie> username ALL = /path/to/command arg1 arg2
19:11:56 <fizzie> It does have a list of examples, if you don't want to work it out rigorously.
19:12:04 <fizzie> joe ALL = /usr/bin/su operator
19:12:05 <fizzie> The user joe may only su(1) to operator.
19:14:41 <Sgeo> LastPass could easily entirely impersonate me if they want
19:15:43 <fizzie> "If a Cmnd has associated command line arguments, then the arguments in the Cmnd must match exactly those given by the user on the command line (or match the wildcards if there are any)."
19:15:56 <fizzie> Honestly, it's a bad document, but it's not unusable.
19:24:12 <Vorpal> fizzie, so no regex? Oh well. And I guess having regex in a suid binary would open up more attack vectors
19:24:36 <Vorpal> Now to figure out how environment works. Because it seems I need that too. It filters a variable I need
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19:35:14 <Vorpal> I'm not sure if I can append a env_check/env_h
19:35:41 <Vorpal> ...env_keep to a specific command
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19:36:30 <Vorpal> fizzie, Can't figure out how to specify an env_keep for a specific entry only
19:36:49 <Vorpal> I think it might be possible
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19:39:09 <Vorpal> Ah hm... Defaults!command_alias?
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19:44:04 <ion> Today in Arbore(c)tum http://youtu.be/rUeFj4Ckmxc
19:45:01 <Vorpal> Doesn't seem to work...
19:57:38 <fizzie> I think that should work. Cmnd_Alias WHATEVER = /path/to/command arg1 arg2 Defaults!WHATEVER env_keep += "FOOBAR" username ALL = WHATEVER
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20:06:51 <J_Arcane> Northern lights due here in Finland in the next couple of hours.
20:08:36 <fizzie> Unto "Northern Lights" Laine, a professor at our department, said the same about last night.
20:09:00 <J_Arcane> Yeah, there were last night as well. I missed them because I was asleep. XD
20:09:54 <fizzie> http://sprunge.us/bORO
20:10:13 <fizzie> He's kind of famous for his controversial thesis of northern lights making sounds.
20:10:33 <fizzie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora#Sounds_associated_with_auroras
20:12:40 <J_Arcane> Huh! Never heard of that. I've heard sounds generated *from* an aurora, IIRC, but not of them making sounds themselves.
20:13:41 <fizzie> http://web.aalto.fi/en/current/news/2012-07-09/ too.
20:14:15 <ion> https://github.com/c-darwin/dcoin/pull/2
20:14:22 <fizzie> I haven't reviewed his data, but other people have told me there are statistically significant correlations there; there's no real hypothesis on the exact cause, though.
20:26:21 <J_Arcane> fizzie: I actually initially looked to getting into Aalto.
20:32:02 <fizzie> I've been looking to getting out of there one of these years.
20:32:23 <fizzie> 12th year starting now, I think.
20:37:19 <J_Arcane> Heh. I was in school for film at the time, and it had the only English-language program in film. Only, it's in alternating years, and I missed the window, plus my wife refuses to live in Helsinki.
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20:41:47 <fizzie> I don't know very much about the Aalto ARTS side. We might be technically stitched into one university now, but the seams are still there.
21:13:13 <J_Arcane> I'm in Tampere now anyway, and if I go back to uni it'll be for CS now I think. I've just burnt out on creative stuff, there's no money in it unless you're either lucky as hell or an obsessive workaholic (or both).
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21:16:31 <Sgeo> I am going to overdose on 80s music.
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21:25:39 <J_Arcane> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Fizz-Buzz-from-Outer-Space.aspx
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21:39:39 <J_Arcane> oh look, a crazy person. http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/scholrleas-fetish-for-licensing-and-lisp-thread/3032/4
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22:55:53 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * InputUsername * New user account
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22:59:45 * Sgeo_ wants to see the aurora
23:01:16 <oerjan> or technically two days ago
23:01:57 <Sgeo_> Would be nice if there was a cruise starting from here specifically for seeing them
23:02:00 <Sgeo_> Would be convenient
23:02:41 <oerjan> a cruise sounds unreliable
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23:03:04 <oerjan> because so are auroras
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23:03:28 <oerjan> you have to spend quite some time up north (or south) to be sure of seeing one
23:03:58 <oerjan> and a cruise sounds a bit too slow to use when there's one forecasted
23:04:20 <Sgeo_> Is spending 5 days in Alaska give a good probability of seeing one?
23:04:33 <Sgeo_> Or is that not 'quite some time'
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23:11:49 <oerjan> perhaps. i recall a bbc series (searching ... "Joanna Lumley in the Land of the Northern Lights", http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1052706/Joanna-Lumley-absolutely-fabulous-trip-northern-lights.html), i don't know how much time she spent but she only barely managed to see them.
23:14:22 <oerjan> although she got really lucky when she did
23:16:59 <oerjan> (btw by forecast i think i mean when there's been a sun storm, they seem to be correlated. of course they are much rarer than northern lights in themselves.)
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23:57:15 <Sgeo_> I saw an agency advertising a combined solar eclipse + chance of aurora thing
23:58:10 <Sgeo_> http://www.travelquesttours.com/tours/2015-svalbard-arctic-eclipse/welcome/