< 1410825687 315474 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1410825732 213343 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1410825736 691211 :spiette!~spiette@173.231.120.38 QUIT :Quit: :qa! < 1410825876 314666 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1410826078 285974 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ba-dum tsh < 1410826131 869289 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I'm thinking about shapes again < 1410826156 190455 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what shapes < 1410826159 312329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear that's common with young people < 1410826172 372442 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did a geometry module last year, ask me anything about triangles < 1410826189 822746 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, I started with octohedra and then went to rhombic dodecohedra and now I don't even know < 1410826194 623284 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm gonna make one < 1410826204 721982 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of what < 1410826221 427113 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paper and sellotape probably < 1410826230 407896 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sellotape?? < 1410826235 185535 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn modular origami, it's the shit < 1410826284 503300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :p-adic origami < 1410826506 594922 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot find sellotape :( < 1410826529 15561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it sounds like something they'd sell < 1410826573 988889 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quarter past one and I don't know of any 24 hour shops that sell sellotape < 1410826613 612495 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Walgreens nearby? < 1410826617 82620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use superglue instead < 1410826646 671715 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, juding by time zones, not the right nation X-D < 1410826671 934956 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, yeah, I'm slightly in York, North Yorkshire < 1410826693 764014 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, seriously, if you assume America then there's a nearby Walmart. < 1410826699 287517 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And trust me, Walmart sells tape. :) < 1410826701 129766 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm slowly remembering this universe ^^´ < 1410826710 47537 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :My nearby Walmart isn't 24/7 < 1410826715 170173 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaw. < 1410826717 54507 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's sad. < 1410826733 597377 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a sad counterfeit of Walmart. < 1410826766 67975 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how are you supposed to shop at 3am in a minor daze? < 1410826778 239673 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Walgreens? < 1410826798 886312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: so your absence was due to interdimensional travel? < 1410826800 68997 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually I don't think Walgreens is in Canada, hyuk) < 1410826804 54025 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... but how am I supposed to randomly decide I want curry and then succeed with what's available from Walgreens? < 1410826806 412554 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Feels like it. < 1410826835 823665 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The very BEST Walgreens... um... toothpaste is like curry. < 1410826847 175784 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that this is much of an issue now. < 1410826867 509053 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ability to make curry on a whim is something I make sure of now that I have my own place. < 1410826882 438714 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man's gotta have priorities. < 1410826898 534902 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got one of those curry-making magical wands, eh? < 1410826900 527629 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof* curry < 1410826904 469315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :curry toothpaste. < 1410826911 69463 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly no. < 1410826917 191355 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a well-stocked kitchen. < 1410826946 50632 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have the best ideas ever, no? < 1410826955 698287 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :By god curry toothpaste. < 1410826978 649080 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is either a fantastic idea or a terrible one. < 1410826984 373828 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna vote terrible. < 1410827002 713961 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without trying it, I'm going to agree. < 1410827010 289934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spicy toothpaste... < 1410827048 77156 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so that you can be brushing while you purge. < 1410827050 721138 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets you started. < 1410827066 714373 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Follow up with mango habanero ice cream. < 1410827279 120490 :paul2520!~pi@104-6-13-61.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mango habanero ice cream doesn't sound too bad, but maybe not *after* brushing... < 1410827310 942815 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :paul2520: It is a real thing. < 1410827385 66289 :paul2520!~pi@104-6-13-61.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's easy to make: http://www.bigoven.com/recipe/mango-habanero-ice-cream/108897 < 1410827427 618719 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :That URL implies that you would make it in an oven. < 1410827430 407182 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :That feels wrong somehow. < 1410827440 411548 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A big one, in fact) < 1410827460 364580 :paul2520!~pi@104-6-13-61.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. the instructions involve no ovens. < 1410827461 542546 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you *could*. < 1410827474 439535 :paul2520!~pi@104-6-13-61.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like it would be hot enough with the habaneros... < 1410827478 796893 :paul2520!~pi@104-6-13-61.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no oven necessary < 1410827481 623650 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this would be a very odd use of an oven. < 1410827533 974618 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step one: Do not pre-heat oven. < 1410827537 533192 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step two: Fill oven with ice. < 1410827579 599162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're telling me you don't eat your ice cream piping hot? < 1410827613 31745 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not generally. < 1410827615 231058 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Walmart ice cream doesn't melt (because KEMIKILLS OH GAWD DON'T EAT IT) so presumably you could eat that quite warm. < 1410827619 521349 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though in winter it's sometimes tempting. < 1410827664 699513 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Real reason is that the ice cream sandwiches have gum in them. I think it was gum arabic? < 1410827669 627386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: if you're talking about the video I'm thinking of, it did melt eventually outdoors < 1410827675 827905 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: They've got a whole collection :) < 1410827676 122171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably really hot would not be manageable. < 1410827678 763453 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of gums) < 1410827697 772093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is that why my mouth doesn't melt when it gets hot? < 1410827708 240825 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outstanding. < 1410827709 535747 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :10/10 < 1410827712 156166 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. Yes it is. :P < 1410827809 426344 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIENCE FACT: If you removed all of a person's teeth and laid them end-to-end, that person would probably be quite cross with you. < 1410827841 59831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a weird fetish. why not just lay them without removing their teeth? < 1410827861 151172 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teeth can hurt. < 1410828717 310382 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean chewing gum can be used to reinforce my mouth? < 1410828735 587718 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Not if you spit it out. < 1410828748 431878 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to mold the chewing gum onto your own gums. < 1410828751 448869 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people forget to do that. < 1410828915 55220 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1410830198 115513 :paul2520!~pi@104-6-13-61.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Changing host < 1410830198 303540 :paul2520!~pi@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410830452 325713 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1410830608 468919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1410831795 236893 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shapes are hard :( < 1410831809 482015 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hard ones are. < 1410831824 870158 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to construct a pentagon < 1410831906 777510 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asymmetry sucks. < 1410832009 864483 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pentagon_construct.gif practical!! < 1410832321 219076 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh Github has LSL hilighting < 1410832381 179386 :paul2520!~pi@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much work; I would just draw a pentagram and either use the inside or outside for the pentagon < 1410832393 347334 :paul2520!~pi@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can draw a decent-enough pentagram < 1410832778 50153 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun making it regular < 1410832829 682818 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410832898 548503 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....why the flying fudge did I ask for donations in a product I sold? < 1410832936 134580 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1410832962 287296 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the code is permanently and irreversibly online now < 1410832962 682945 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1410832976 136974 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/Sgeo/Antiposeball/blob/master/Antiposeball%205.lsl < 1410832986 550875 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I apparently severely misunderstood animations < 1410833013 136233 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is LSL? < 1410833027 272230 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it uses sensors instead of llGetObjectDetails()... because llGetObjectDetails() didn't exist when I wrote it. < 1410833033 298941 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the scripting language used in Second Life < 1410833791 46417 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ah < 1410833806 946500 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Linden Scripting Language" I guess. < 1410833881 192996 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1410834112 667160 :paul2520!~pi@unaffiliated/paul2520 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1410834300 471905 :paul2520!~pi@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410834437 429462 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a friendly way to criticise Racket? < 1410834498 305117 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not compatible to Java(tm). < 1410834558 566076 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a macro called struct*, used for pattern matching on structures. It takes a struct-id and field name(s). It needs to get the accessor function for the field, for obvious reasons. It does this by combining the struct-id and field name. But then, this needs a context, so.... it assumes that the function is to be found in the same context as the field name. This seems arbitrary (although clearly a choice needs to be made), and requiring < 1410834558 716578 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : documentation. < 1410834568 576997 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should write an example... < 1410834701 647992 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst part is I don't know what the correct thing to do is... except 1) Have the accessors accessible in a cleaner manner, directly off data contained by the struct-id. 2) At least document the scenario, and all scenarios where an identity is assumed to be located in a context input to a macro, and where the used context is not trivially obvious < 1410834725 841475 :paul2520!~pi@unaffiliated/paul2520 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1410835243 235366 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have the struct-id evaluate (in some appropriate lexenv) to a description of the structure that includes an ordered sequence of field names? < 1410835254 905531 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, to an ordered sequence of accessors. < 1410835532 532127 :paul2520!~pi@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410836372 271928 :paul_2520!~paul2520@2602:306:8060:d3d0:78b9:46d:bcdc:5443 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410836456 474587 :paul_2520!~paul2520@2602:306:8060:d3d0:78b9:46d:bcdc:5443 QUIT :Client Quit < 1410836592 79745 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it already does the former < 1410836599 403229 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going from that to the latter not so much < 1410836614 610468 :guest3244345245!~paul2520@2602:306:8060:d3d0:78b9:46d:bcdc:5443 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410836911 556892 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...WHY am I getting ads for Dyson airblades? I mean, I used one yesterday, but I don't think Google is psychic. < 1410836948 644327 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they want you to think < 1410836950 95697 :guest3244345245!~paul2520@2602:306:8060:d3d0:78b9:46d:bcdc:5443 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1410836953 400195 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Maybe I did click a link recently < 1410836968 725223 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For unrelated reasons < 1410838212 378114 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite confident that Google is not psychic. < 1410838222 991004 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, you may want to check for eye implants. < 1410838230 858958 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Eye forced beta test? < 1410838269 263124 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: why are you so confidengt? < 1410838280 283145 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I am psychic. < 1410839440 827036 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :O < 1410839459 761474 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: Never learn by example. < 1410839483 324272 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not know that this was allowed in jQuery: someJQueryElem.attr({foo: "a", bar: "b"}) < 1410842787 829185 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1410844977 494050 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Facebook spammer spammed me... in an interesting way < 1410844983 195462 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attached an image with an email address < 1410845005 875038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is... an interesting way < 1410845014 577955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting enough... to merit an ellipsis < 1410845024 313323 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/YQd54gJ.png < 1410845077 346013 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you actually reply to an obvious spammer < 1410845098 222785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no you've leaked your name < 1410845106 805467 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've leaked my name before < 1410845701 861863 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1410846226 729594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :loveth gerald is a great name < 1410846468 448822 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1410846935 101902 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-151-114.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1410847400 306002 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Apparently HSTS can be disabled. < 1410847421 807150 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was under the impression that sending an HSTS header was an irreversible action
< 1410848635 295922 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1410848642 227865 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahaha < 1410848642 665624 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.leviathansecurity.com/blog/the-double-edged-sword-of-hsts-persistence-and-privacy/ < 1410848662 227700 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(When I first saw that, I was thinking maybe timing + max-age shenanigans, but that's very fiddly) < 1410849538 91847 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode got hacked? < 1410850038 379889 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-2925118532.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1410850158 264420 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-2925119101.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1410850520 996230 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Note, that even the specification got this part wrong in its example on violation reports " < 1410852118 667988 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1410855871 795026 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1410858602 167099 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-144.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1410858916 587206 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Git gets easier once you get the basic idea that branches are homeomorphic endofunctors mapping submanifolds of a Hilbert space." < 1410858921 347770 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that true? :D < 1410858935 124151 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part about what branches are, not that git gets easier < 1410858943 805283 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1410859101 142059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nonsense. < 1410859130 707965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as you're going to say something like that at least make it sound plausible. < 1410859146 467457 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please do so < 1410859147 748916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that sounds like more of a darcs concept. < 1410859190 559335 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you want a generalized zygomorphism) < 1410859308 382236 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I did try to invent something more plausable => http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/git-extensions < 1410859646 532655 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does read -p "foo" terminate without me entering a line < 1410859652 16891 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this due to background jobs? < 1410859779 553696 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: maybe some program forgot to restore your stty (tcsetattr) settings, but you don't notice that because the shell temporarily sets a different stty mode for its readline prompt < 1410859813 114024 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: read doesn't normally use readline, just the normal canonical terminal input < 1410859831 598628 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it can use readline if you give the -e switch) < 1410859836 33727 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to launch some processes with & < 1410859838 24484 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they all die < 1410859840 390687 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea why < 1410859844 116307 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with the read -p < 1410859845 176252 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they die < 1410859856 141635 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theproofistrivial.com/ i like < 1410859857 249919 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought with read -p they'd run until I enter something < 1410859873 214115 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: huh? now I don't understand what you're doing < 1410859877 557909 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is read having to do with this? < 1410859885 306805 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you show what exactly you're trying? < 1410859947 409754 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1410859957 295906 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: hehe < 1410859965 248696 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :java -jar foo.war < 1410859971 378772 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but these war files terminate when you press enter < 1410859983 6141 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. they probably have something like System.in.readc(); exit(); < 1410860002 779164 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I launch them within a script they immediately exit < 1410860021 634024 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I launch them in my terminal they run as long as I don't press enter < 1410860110 230843 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: hmm... but what does read (the shell builtin) have to do with this? < 1410860126 659923 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, maybe those java programs are just stupid) < 1410860132 662074 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1410860299 65299 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1410860301 179185 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even worse < 1410860306 572359 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's System.in.read(); server.stop(); < 1410860313 214463 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is supposed to "block" < 1410860321 71533 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't block if no terminal is attached to stdin < 1410860336 771611 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's attached instead? /dev/null ? < 1410860376 843736 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the program is ran on the terminal but only backgrounded, a read from the terminal should stop the program with the SIGTTIN signal until it's foregrounded < 1410860440 519950 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose if you launch it with & < 1410860448 472590 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then System.in.read will read 0 bytes and immediately return < 1410860458 207846 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it shouldn't do that < 1410860467 104677 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should stop the process with a SIGTTIN signal I think < 1410860474 704116 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu? < 1410860497 499132 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1410860523 677688 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the process ignores/handles that signal so it continues (doesn't wait till it's foregrounded), then the read does return an error < 1410860529 589505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically EIO apparently < 1410860531 680553 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me verify that < 1410860650 72103 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, EIO < 1410860665 471845 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe the program or the java runtime is stupid enough to ignore that signal specifically? < 1410860734 392234 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :read() returns -1 if there's nothing more to read < 1410860765 358946 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: it returns -1 in case of an error, storing the error code to errno; returns 0 if there's nothing to read (EOF) < 1410860784 479866 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java has errno? < 1410860824 391175 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea, maybe it puts the error in a java exception or something, or you need to use a different java function. check a manual. < 1410860830 778751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, a tiny test-case on OpenJDK says it stops like any other process. < 1410860830 948639 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit. < 1410860837 243867 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've replaced System.in.read with readline < 1410860841 549543 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but either it's not recompiled < 1410860843 258572 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... < 1410860875 688651 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: great, it sohuld < 1410860877 821399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/EiDO and so on. < 1410860896 623551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The 'x' is my input after foregrounding it; but anyway, it blocked at the read.) < 1410860941 6559 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: good < 1410860969 183662 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1410861013 227311 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1410861020 413490 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added a syntax error to the launcher < 1410861022 838074 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it compiles :D < 1410861024 762173 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1410861114 493861 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1410861115 109184 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1410861127 54896 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :those morons should've added clean to the mvn command line probably < 1410861267 936452 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1410861268 429742 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1410861271 314613 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1410861300 58620 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you edited the wrong file? < 1410861397 953275 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1410861409 538408 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's linked as mainclass in the pom.xml < 1410861432 30908 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mainclass doesn't compile though < 1410861438 358990 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but stuff that depends on it still does < 1410861546 690591 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly I'm completely new to Java and maven < 1410861661 210853 :FreeFull!~freefull@host-78-147-224-230.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410861677 946633 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1410861684 200085 :FreeFull!~freefull@host-78-147-224-230.as13285.net NICK :Guest99165 < 1410861697 53535 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-obktjasfnurgpfys QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1410861840 4252 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is bad < 1410861859 895030 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something doesn't compile it magically loads the last compilable version from the sky or wherever < 1410861871 562239 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means it won't tell you if something doesn't compile < 1410861937 394198 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... at least my new stuff is now compiled in < 1410861961 551004 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but System.console() is null if you launch it with & :) < 1410862228 593141 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine. while(true) will do < 1410862323 442527 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410862414 446240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of what the documentation says. < 1410862426 731096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the virtual machine is started from an interactive command line without redirecting the standard input and output streams then its console will exist and will typically be connected to the keyboard and display from which the virtual machine was launched. If the virtual machine is started automatically, for example by a background job scheduler, then it will typically not have a console." < 1410862441 68941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess & is kind of arguable. < 1410862488 668968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should still have the System.in/out streams, and those behaved as expected in my mini-test. < 1410862721 667619 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.in.read isn't blocking when using & < 1410862747 172925 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying it doesn't work < 1410862773 724539 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just not blocking < 1410862800 456010 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it is, but with attached terminal it at least has some sort of line buffering < 1410862817 853747 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could be done by either the terminal or java < 1410862866 577029 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1410862916 142206 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how this thing is named "demo" but's supposed to be production < 1410863273 400928 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morning < 1410863340 658523 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morning < 1410864184 278839 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH! apparently doxygen cannot parse the a struct definition like 'class __declspec(dllexport) foo { ... };' only nobody notices that because __declspec(dllexport) is usually hidden behind a macro < 1410865129 351280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1410865161 361673 :scounder!~scounder@2a01:7a0:10:151:236:17:48:1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1410865162 916106 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1410865692 815209 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT 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:ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410903377 261350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410903966 399660 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-144.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1410905742 160270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1410905748 917253 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410905754 428131 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1410906980 298652 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1410907624 379503 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1410907635 449504 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does GNU APL have PHP-style server pages? < 1410907647 242350 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of literally no reasons for that style of insanity < 1410907660 326660 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a GNU APL, huh < 1410907694 257450 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1410907710 571157 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and APL is definitely on topic for #esoteric, lol < 1410907724 200384 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wat < 1410907726 898557 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Server scripting < 1410907729 84018 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :In APL? < 1410907739 901362 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: yes < 1410907742 972361 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still sounds better than php, tbh < 1410907743 307017 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my reaction < 1410907765 570687 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm paid to write PHP, that doesn't even begin to cover it < 1410907774 225573 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would rather write web apps in BF < 1410907777 473676 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1410907786 74462 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather write web apps in Cobol < 1410907809 549996 :perrier___!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410907921 815530 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, wait, Lymia, were you involved in that massive bukkit clusterfuck that happened < 1410908011 937057 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Massive bukkit clusterfuck? < 1410908014 564158 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recent? < 1410908028 932908 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been involved in Minecraft for a few months. < 1410908038 961210 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened? < 1410908053 635592 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :evilseph cancelled the project, mojang revealed they owned it < 1410908069 923138 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i still don't know how you can own a gpled project but--) < 1410908073 655594 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mojang didn't REVEAL that they owned it. < 1410908076 641287 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've owned it for years. < 1410908095 376372 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :my impression was that this was deliberately kept secret, though < 1410908106 856828 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a whole brouhaha when they bought it. < 1410908113 874685 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then they didn't really DO anything with it, so everybody forgot. < 1410908139 598515 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Twitter conversation went like this: "Sorry, I have to cancel the project." "Um, you don't own the project. We bought it. You can't cancel it." < 1410908150 560000 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriously how do you buy bukkit!! what does this even mean!) < 1410908159 852419 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410908197 933543 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :They owned the name, site, etc, and many of the devs are Mojang employees. < 1410908210 356639 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1410908222 412597 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was no secrecy here, just stupidity. Never account to malice etc etc. < 1410908252 266826 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had more patience, I might fork it. But I don't have the patience to work with Java code anymore < 1410908253 23707 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^.^ < 1410908277 197482 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410908309 547861 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1410908314 365011 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft's fanbase being idiots as usual. < 1410908316 268282 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing new to me. < 1410908325 933177 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Microcraft < 1410908330 598825 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Minesoft? < 1410908598 979709 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, well, and mojang being idiots < 1410908607 826111 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too is an important part of the situation as usual < 1410908676 438834 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I understand the full story then. < 1410908676 926730 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1410908693 371193 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-151-114.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1410908714 923680 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1410908751 529882 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, as in, they went to the trouble of buying Bukkit, hiring the devs, then proceeded to ignore them and cut off even the meagre support they were providing. < 1410908836 289349 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-2925119101.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1410908838 331813 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-151-114.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1410908892 747810 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are y'all ready for true untethered freedom https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/768618350/airvr-virtual-reality-for-ios < 1410908900 810348 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410908909 610517 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :featuring advanced 64-bit Processors < 1410908911 684475 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410908948 401194 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-2925118321.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1410908968 696932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other day in another channel someone gave a long list of failed "how to make a successful kickstarter project" kickstarter projects < 1410908983 939903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were good < 1410909149 120974 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc... isnt here, dangit < 1410909149 121192 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who else am I to talk about Rust with? < 1410909149 121287 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways: I think Rust people keep reinventing lenslike things < 1410909149 121381 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a thing or two about rust < 1410909149 121532 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :headers.get(CONNECTION); // -> Option> < 1410909149 121622 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your favourite ferric oxide? mine's haematite < 1410909149 121710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: it's hard to fork it, since you can easily get DMCA'd for it < 1410909149 121801 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where CONNECTION is presumably an entity that knows how to transform some bytes representing HTTP headers into a Connection based on the Connection header, and visa versa < 1410909149 121890 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not for an reimplementation. < 1410909158 768523 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is stretching the term 'fork' < 1410909171 291056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: well, the basic issue is that bukkit was always kinda illegal < 1410909185 93559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is bukkit? < 1410909197 941681 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1410909198 530890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's at odds with both the minecraft EULA and the GPL < 1410909203 926356 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That's as brilliant as it is stupid. < 1410909204 898564 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember a similar device for an olde VR dev environment for DOS. < 1410909205 918354 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :You cut it out of cardboard, folded it up and you could see true 3D. < 1410909343 515441 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410909424 960647 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410909469 865905 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, oh also, if i didn't mention it, after evilseph left so did everyone else < 1410909473 66745 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1410909483 399856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :were there any "how to make a successful "how to make a successful kickstarter project" kickstarter projects? < 1410909483 567005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-" < 1410909483 567161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1410909483 567267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1410909483 567356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :**+" < 1410909484 187991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it needs an extra "kickstarter project" < 1410909484 956934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh hiccups < 1410909485 369297 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1410909495 399503 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410909510 432818 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1410909548 313186 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attempts to scare oerjan with a scary claim about how scaring people supposedly cures hiccups
< 1410909567 119595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BY KILLING THEM, right? < 1410909580 753881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION seemed to do fine by drinking some water, thank you very much
< 1410909627 606227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you're in a channel in which kmc talks about rust a lot < 1410909633 39184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there were certainly jokes about them < 1410909643 369651 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1410909643 566114 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION slaps everyone in this channel with a trout
< 1410909668 36767 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's either a big trout or a lot of slapping. < 1410909721 702874 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swings at logic with a dwarven axe
< 1410909721 970381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is a basis a popular thing in topology, rather than a subbasis? < 1410909732 75895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter seems more natural. < 1410909749 773337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is a topology generated by a subbasis "free" in some way? < 1410909756 765197 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :because topology predates common sense? < 1410909760 995806 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: did this DOS gizmo have a kickstarter... < 1410909765 373041 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bahaha < 1410909779 505921 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i could throw them a few bucks" < 1410909804 5018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: That's possible, but it's also likely that I don't have good intuition or taste for any of these things. < 1410909841 751837 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i think common sense i think subbases. < 1410909874 11509 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the free topology on a set is either the discrete or trivial one < 1410909894 514607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The free topological space on a set. < 1410909913 809193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about the topology itself. < 1410909921 415114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It at least seems initial in some sense. < 1410909951 844361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do I mean... < 1410909956 947074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you fix a set of points X, and then you talk about the various topologies you could give it. < 1410909965 245309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you could also talk about arbitrary subsets of P(X) < 1410909988 287743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe those are categories or something. And maybe you have an adjunction goin' between those two. I don't know. < 1410910071 733789 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly i follow an oculus programmer on twitter and from what i understand of what he says it doesn't seem like you could do VR with a common screen without everything being... epileptic < 1410910261 603334 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be very pixely, and very nauseating < 1410910358 584460 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, so what do you use as morphisms in this scenario < 1410910402 888657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. Maybe you look at subsets of P(X) as a lattice and use some sort of lattice homomorphism? < 1410910420 295237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the thing with complete Heyting algebras/frames/locales. < 1410910873 627664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think something like that could probably work. < 1410911274 787844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what am I talking about. I'm not making sense. < 1410911304 905056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I am. < 1410911326 186202 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe you are < 1410911345 393642 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But probably not) < 1410911357 602419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must agreegor. < 1410911430 331148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right, I'm not. < 1410911434 804011 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410911888 314461 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410911924 3746 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection