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< 1411345358 92965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (a -> b -> b) -> a -> Int -> [b] -> (a, [b])
< 1411345359 484918 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found
< 1411345431 501659 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. what for is to do so?
< 1411345504 281791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f x n -> first (foldl' f x) . splitAt n
< 1411345505 382067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(c -> a -> c) -> c -> Int -> [a] -> (c, [a])
< 1411345536 568354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the type of that, which is a function which can be done more optimized by _not_ using splitAt
< 1411345584 653784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1411345598 458115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :misordered
< 1411345611 277493 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that much less optimized.
< 1411345612 357803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (a -> b -> a) -> a -> Int -> [b] -> (a, [b])
< 1411345612 829229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found
< 1411345630 295650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it leaks memory if n is large
< 1411345681 845869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while it can actually be done in constant memory by explicit recursion
< 1411345707 237215 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, don't use the snd first.
< 1411345792 915829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got the idea from this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25961869/improving-performance-on-chunked-lists
< 1411345878 663683 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \(a, b) -> (a, seq a b)
< 1411345879 715292 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(t, t1) -> (t, t1)
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< 1411347959 624405 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes, hardcore developers laugh when the monks of the Spider Clan speaking about “programming” in HTML, JSTL, CSS, or Javascript. Until the customer decides that the application’s home page absolutely must have dancing translucent pigs follow the mouse cursor in IE 5.5."
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< 1411351180 572896 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thecodelesscode.com/case/30
< 1411351205 560769 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I get it. Is the one-byte integer signed?... yeah, that has to be it, I think
< 1411351207 693816 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also with the cups
< 1411351229 39988 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't get the broom at all
< 1411352552 974414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To sign extend a 6-bit number in 6502 assembly code, is this a good way?   ASL A : ASL A : ANC #255 : ARR #255 : ROR A
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< 1411352832 71473 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm beginning to appreciate Racket more and more, although it's not as batteries included as it claims
< 1411352850 344412 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No good story for client-side cookie handling, for one
< 1411353075 258018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there better way to sign-extend 6-bits?
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< 1411355298 74129 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Cl i'd do a&=63; a-=a&32
< 1411355342 675385 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when a  is of type char
< 1411355362 248376 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, does't matter; works same for larger types
< 1411355536 4933 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it even  faster
< 1411355591 61127 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -= a&-32
< 1411355661 106686 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wait
< 1411355811 456116 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a -= (a&-32) + (a&32)
< 1411356525 898891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't a 6502 code though
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< 1411363403 584467 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha http://thecodelesscode.com/case/104
< 1411363454 995249 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad.
< 1411363696 847724 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this me? http://thecodelesscode.com/case/107
< 1411363828 2541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I guess the cups are a reference to a signed integer; the commentary makes them sound like positional binary digits, and the last one is different. Based on the poem, maybe the broom is about the same thing: the signedness is not inherent to having 8 bits, much like sweeping dust is not inherent to a thing that looks like a broom.
< 1411363875 121644 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the last one is a sign bit then?
< 1411363886 93871 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that finally makes sense.
< 1411364276 75596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For the security of your account, we are poised to open a query. Kindly click on the link: [obvious non-obscured phishing link], for good security practice."
< 1411364677 291082 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I am far too 'young' as a programmer to see myself in case 107, and yet ...
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< 1411365865 939727 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone watches the television show, but now since every channel has the same man on it, they try to put in a DVD and watch that; but, he secretly replaced the DVD with a recording of himself, having a conversation with the viewer; he anticipated all of the questions and timing so he can answer them...
< 1411365873 706495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, the viewer decides to rewind it a bit due to being confused and wants to figure it out, but this was also anticipated, and all of the things he says are suitable for the new questions too (even though it is in fact all the same things)...
< 1411365953 717962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this kind of things?
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< 1411366225 880511 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The puns, they burn
< 1411366226 337950 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thecodelesscode.com/case/128
< 1411366767 905922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :128 reminds me of the BLIT story.
< 1411367161 247300 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" When the real meets the imaginary, their product is always complex." XD
< 1411367207 697539 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero, zero
< 1411367303 236118 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I completely misinterpreted http://thecodelesscode.com/case/136 the first time I read it
< 1411367317 273205 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: doesn't 6502 have like cheap jumps? could you do something like, AND #$3F; CMP #$20; BCC t; IOR #$C0; t:;
< 1411367328 133776 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I parsed '“To share important news,” said Zjing. “While observing the party, I discovered a form of communication that cannot be transmitted over IP sockets.”' as meaning some kind of disaster because a new protocol would need to be used which isn't widely supported
< 1411367351 464195 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though what you said might be shorter
< 1411367443 349962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Shorter by one byte, yes. (Also it is called ORA rather than IOR)
< 1411367452 695889 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1411367483 516160 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yours is a bit faster though.
< 1411367514 658828 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03WinnieTFCfszeh 5*  10New user account
< 1411367567 46588 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two new users in as many days. We're in an Eso rennaisance.
< 1411367606 350406 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can you just shift left twice then rotate right twice?
< 1411367688 878571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rotate right will rotate through the carry flag.
< 1411367763 936242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it doesn't work.
< 1411367812 933016 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1411367844 9106 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how about (shift left twice, clear carry, rotate right, clear carry, rotate right); or else (shift left twice, rotate right twice, and)?
< 1411367852 918352 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that still come out shorter but probably slower?
< 1411367867 816894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've no idea how shifts and rotates work in the 6502
< 1411367915 127623 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ASL and LSR command shift in a cleared bit and puts shifted out bit into the carry flag. ROL and ROR act similar except that the shifted in bit is the old carry flag.
< 1411367959 830719 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an LSR? that's even simpler then
< 1411367973 521950 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1411367976 832519 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1411367988 954829 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1411367992 21876 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't work
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< 1411368091 112566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also ARR acts like AND followed by ROR A, but then it sets the carry flag to bit6 of the result.
< 1411368105 298127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANC is AND and then copy the high bit (bit7) of the result into the carry flag.
< 1411368115 660894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what?
< 1411368125 782228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALR is like AND immediate followed by LSR A.
< 1411368135 832044 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't one of those right shift instructions unreliable and undocumented?
< 1411368152 363190 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally thought the 6502 doesn't have a sane right shift
< 1411368155 590252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All are unofficial, but they are all reliable.
< 1411368161 776315 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1411368176 538056 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought at least one was undocumented because it's unreliable
< 1411368196 241463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are unreliable instructions too, but these aren't them.
< 1411368197 140908 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it was planned to work originally, but didn't work well, so they just made it undocumented
< 1411368205 595806 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1411368451 824632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So both of these two ways my and your can help in some ways; one shorter, one faster (in both cases not by much), but maybe there is an even better way; let's see! I can try to think of it too.
< 1411368460 41319 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1411368491 940626 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny, I'm used to thinking of modern cpus, where shift/rotates are still expensive, but jumps are also often expensive
< 1411368526 154104 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course x86 have nice ways to avoid jumps
< 1411368547 586606 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in 6502, shift/rotates of the accumulator are fast, but when acting on memory they are slow. Jumps in 6502 are 3 or 4 cycles, or 2 if the branch is not taken.
< 1411368761 809979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I didn't think of the code you posted, because I looked at Infocom's code which is similar but has a lot of junk added to it, and I inadvertently rejected it...
< 1411368911 377985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still try to think of if there is an even better one though.
< 1411368938 339019 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1411368944 989029 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1411369002 404690 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a size/speed trade, I suppose.
< 1411369018 229808 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, I was thinking of *(ASL; ASL; CMP #$80; ROR; CMP #$80; ROR) only I think that doesn't work because the carry flag is the complement of what we want
< 1411369114 700916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike Z80, 6502 doesn't have a "complement carry flag" instruction.
< 1411369141 802668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically if you have a lot of memory, you could use a lookup table like TAX; LDA lookup,X;
< 1411369151 519139 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as it happens, in the case I am using it happens to be in both the X and A registers already.
< 1411369163 712101 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fast but takes 260 bytes
< 1411369181 556872 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait, that's a good idea
< 1411369184 473985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes I did think of that too; I might use it, although I don't need TAX since it is already in X
< 1411369214 361080 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you store a copy in X and use some instruction to get the high bit to the carry flag from X somehow?
< 1411369215 878163 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably do have enough ROM space, and it is also possible to make overlapping tables
< 1411369224 3219 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that probably won't work)
< 1411369283 368821 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want shorter tables, AND #$3F; TAX; LDA lookup,X; that takes 64+6 bytes I think
< 1411369330 508780 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some instructions that deal with both A and X registers at once, such as LAX (combining LDA and LDX), SAX (storing the bitwise AND of the values in A and X), and AXS (calculate bitwise AND of A with X, subtract an immediate ignoring the carry flag, storing the result in X).
< 1411369387 783933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will probably use a full lookup table, and then change it if I run out of memory
< 1411369432 787590 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you making?
< 1411369465 343361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z-machine interpreter, this time using a new mapper I made up, which bankswitches one byte at a time
< 1411369514 104108 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait
< 1411369606 140268 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's possible to do something with shifts and subtract or xor to flip bit 5
< 1411369615 350792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a description of the mapper:  http://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/User:Zzo38/Mapper_I
< 1411369645 428828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I wonder whether or not sign-extending is really even the best way to do what I am trying to do.
< 1411369667 403237 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, so there are other Racket users here
< 1411369713 395453 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I am one.
< 1411369729 148849 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently fighting with the old try-racket code trying to get it to run without X dependencies.
< 1411369738 902982 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: you're who I was referring to
< 1411369741 889372 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect this small bank size can speed it up a lot
< 1411369750 192959 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would like a try-racket website
< 1411369756 75593 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me too.
< 1411369794 936220 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's code for one, but no one's hosting it anywhere, so I cashed out a $20 from my book royalties and bought a VPS and a domain. It's running now, but with issues; the picts don't work right.
< 1411369806 427357 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I stil have to set the domain to redirect right.
< 1411369820 991238 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do people use 2hdtp for images, or is there a more ... non-learner image library?
< 1411369840 339296 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pict is the standard library.
< 1411369852 414904 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not only the small bank size, but also the register mirroring overlapping the Famicom's internal RAM)
< 1411369855 771510 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2htdp is mostly just some easy to use wrappers for it, is my understanding.
< 1411369860 373800 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah cool
< 1411369871 13131 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slideshow also imports variant versions of the pict library.
< 1411370252 984009 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: AND #$3F; EOR #$20; CLC; ADC #$60; EOR #$80;
< 1411370263 71645 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's 9 bytes but is probably quite fast
< 1411370274 387239 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it might not be faster than the conditional one
< 1411370339 880226 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also look in this book, it might help: http://www.hackersdelight.org/
< 1411370474 192669 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, although I think I might try something other than sign-extension, since I am not even sure sign extension is actually correct for what I am trying.
< 1411370689 731087 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is it possible to write that in such a way that the CLC is redundant because the carry flag just happens to be clear from previous instructions?
< 1411370787 228965 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That last example, yes; use ANC instead of AND.
< 1411370885 409268 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DNS is propogating now, but I still have to change the default port and make sure my firewall isn't blasting all my ports to the world.
< 1411370886 551899 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1411370892 915534 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite fast and short then
< 1411370906 787968 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 bytes, not the shortest
< 1411370953 258675 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ANC is like AND, but also copies the high bit of the result to the carry flag. Unofficial instructions are pretty strange, but useful anyways.)
< 1411370970 563936 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the conditional one is faster when the branch is not taken
< 1411371008 365127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is true
< 1411371050 688739 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much time does ANC imm take? 3 cycles?
< 1411371064 868006 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two cycles, just like AND imm.
< 1411371079 251262 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, ANC cannot use any other addressing modes than immediate)
< 1411371079 519067 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1411371082 433491 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's even better
< 1411371117 848340 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes this quite fast I think
< 1411371126 281534 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :faster than I thought
< 1411371347 487649 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When trying to figure out how to decrement a 16-bit number stored in variables $11 and $21 while at the same time loading the mapper registers with their new values, I came up with several things and decided on this:  LDA $1021; ORA #255; DCP $1011; BNE L1; DEC $1021; L1: ...
< 1411371398 558600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other things I have tried include:  LAX <$11; AXS #1; STX $1011; LDA <$21; SBC #0; STA $1021   and then  LDX <$11; BNE L1; DEC $1021; L1: DEX; STX $1011; BIT $1021
< 1411371463 847231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which are respectively: 14 bytes, 18 cycles; 14 bytes, 16 or 21 cycles. The one I then decided on in the end is: 13 bytes, 15 or 20 cycles.
< 1411371520 150706 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :("DCP x" acts like "DEC x" followed by "CMP x", but is as fast as "DEC x" (since it doesn't reread the value), as well as supporting more addressing modes.)
< 1411373358 916539 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-18-58.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411374097 607140 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bzuebpmuwrwefnjh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1411374200 437956 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm a fool, the second xor is redundant
< 1411374227 448917 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: AND #$3F; EOR #$20; CLC; ADC #$E0;
< 1411374253 241694 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or equivalently, EOR #$20; ANC #$3F; ADC #$E0;
< 1411374286 326837 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's only six bytes
< 1411374336 901296 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411374585 516033 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1411374806 804789 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and I should have known this because Hacker's Delight chapter 2-6 tells it straight: http://www.hackersdelight.org/basics2.pdf
< 1411374831 899687 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see second formula there
< 1411374843 378806 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where I should have looked in first place
< 1411375099 484895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK!
< 1411375163 328254 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or in Knuth volume 4 of course)
< 1411375184 980055 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, I hate dealing with DNS.
< 1411375204 270938 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does not service
< 1411375241 721285 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANC, hmm.
< 1411375285 796658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411375405 846434 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :adorable. "note to ANC: this command performs an AND operation only, but bit 7 is put into the carry, as if the ASL/ROL would have been executed."
< 1411376215 398552 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: bit 7 of the input or bit 7 of the result?
< 1411376229 567667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit7 of the result.
< 1411376238 740948 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew
< 1411377950 754678 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep
< 1411378294 698773 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have hackersdelight laying right next to me :)
< 1411378296 605957 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :good book
< 1411378865 505601 :choochter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-rpiigagbpdmtqivk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411380213 649734 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: nice
< 1411380891 641990 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411380999 293898 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1411381020 240912 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411381072 932463 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :CommonMark has <?
< 1411381075 974105 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff
< 1411381076 837793 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth
< 1411381268 817542 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... it doesn't have tables?
< 1411381479 754717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither does traditional Markdown, to be fair.
< 1411381572 173612 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1411381581 953379 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since they are trying to improve it a bit
< 1411381587 892794 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might have been good to have tables
< 1411381614 671304 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me the idea behind markdown is that it is supposed to be human readable in a text-editor
< 1411381623 740904 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can also be easily converted to html, latex etc.
< 1411381643 658922 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :html tables aren't so much human readable imo
< 1411381663 504673 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's actually bad to allow HTML in it
< 1411381674 41838 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't render html to other formats EXCEPT html neatly
< 1411381694 413539 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not human readable... it's render target specifc
< 1411381869 196548 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A line break (not in a code span or HTML tag) that is preceded by two or more spaces is parsed as a linebreak (rendered in HTML as a <br /> tag):
< 1411381872 169224 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so
< 1411381888 368119 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't visualy see if it's a line break or not
< 1411381894 421910 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 
< 1411381896 59893 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo  
< 1411381896 862053 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bar
< 1411381901 355087 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- <br/>
< 1411381902 576121 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo
< 1411381903 434274 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bar
< 1411381905 822384 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- no <br/>
< 1411381921 713416 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(notice the two spaces after the first foo)
< 1411382067 180199 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Object oriented thue14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40514&oldid=40511 5* 034D enthusiast 5* (+258) 10/* Syntax */ clarified RHS instance numbering
< 1411382230 58193 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Object oriented thue14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40515&oldid=40514 5* 034D enthusiast 5* (-72) 10/* Syntax */ changed copying example to include explicit numbering
< 1411382665 441404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm not a great fan of that particular syntax; but it's also just codifying existing practice.
< 1411382902 407066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think many Markdown syntax highlighting modes probably provide a visual indication for that.)
< 1411383063 399003 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :html can be rendered to pdf or stuff
< 1411383078 183677 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you *have* to define your page size
< 1411383088 698069 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what happens when it's not enough
< 1411383199 359220 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pdf rendering is a nightmare. pdf rendering from html is... the experience is painful.
< 1411383263 262193 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :add some enterprise software to that, and a half-assed underdevelopped obscure idiosyncratic renderer with known issues...
< 1411383263 605711 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you use the good library, it already has a conversion method
< 1411383305 824072 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be good, but I'm not touching that anymore without a trusty 10' pole.
< 1411383307 401524 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pdf don't even support tables the same way html do
< 1411383325 880502 :pi___!~pi@54-18.207.85.static.bluetone.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1411383356 891935 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :borders & number of rows per cells are determined cell-wise, not row-wise
< 1411383630 915507 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like \LaTeX{} tables. they are artistic.
< 1411383682 516961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like writing tabular stuff in MathJax, because I get to type in &amp; for every column-separating &.
< 1411383688 546977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very artistic.
< 1411383777 531102 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'twas table, and the slithy &amp;s...
< 1411384089 354505 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1411384265 142151 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: RUNCIBLE CHICKEN
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< 1411385377 817675 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1411389604 231775 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do hostname hostname in /etc/hosts?
< 1411389612 892582 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. foo alias
< 1411389622 935276 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where alias is an "alias" for the host foo?
< 1411389931 283289 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 NICK :AndoDaan
< 1411390064 45885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in a conventional hosts database.
< 1411390110 623259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just do "1.2.3.4 foo alias1 alias2".
< 1411390425 35 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSONx is an IBM® standard format to represent JSON as XML.
< 1411390864 53108 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds sensible.
< 1411390940 261365 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1411391010 552970 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine there are regions of the business world where XML is the most basic medium of communication and storage.
< 1411391043 262731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411391217 598562 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: nice find!
< 1411391778 658403 :impomatic_!~digital_w@84.93.215.217 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411391805 66183 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03N4t45ha999 5*  10New user account
< 1411391877 194224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I thought that username style died out decades ago
< 1411391921 599689 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every day, someone discovers the internet for the first time
< 1411391971 414545 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or perhaps, discovers esowiki for the first time, after possibly several decades)
< 1411392200 993699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1411392585 325487 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is XML nowadays
< 1411392588 441023 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is bad.
< 1411392672 901172 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411392830 820216 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/OROFAWyi <- I like LISP
< 1411392894 745258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why convert Lisp into XML?
< 1411392908 262545 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't.
< 1411392914 935998 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just prefer LISP-like over XML
< 1411392948 690328 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML looks ugly, it's harder to read for humans
< 1411392954 18983 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes too much space
< 1411392970 570568 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :<VeryLongName>...</VeryLongName> vs (veryLongName ...)
< 1411392982 481769 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :LISP-like requires less disk space .
< 1411393003 476595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust growth http://nethack4/esolangs/growth.bfjoust
< 1411393004 236377 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: URL fetch problems: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known
< 1411393009 765667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust growth http://nethack4.org/esolangs/growth.bfjoust
< 1411393010 807737 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.growth: points 18.74, score 82.35/100, rank 3/47 (change: +1)
< 1411393069 874869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if I temporarily delete monolith and preparation, does growth win?
< 1411393075 669725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's worth a try
< 1411393079 475479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust monolith <
< 1411393079 999658 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.monolith: points -46.00, score 0.00/100, rank 47/47 (change: -45)
< 1411393087 425116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust preparation <
< 1411393087 901918 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.preparation: points -45.00, score 0.00/100, rank 47/47 (change: -46)
< 1411393096 566079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, space_hotel does
< 1411393105 969075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust preparation http://nethack4.org/esolangs/preparation.bfjoust
< 1411393108 84330 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.preparation: points 23.67, score 100.00/100, rank 1/47 (change: +46)
< 1411393117 737453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust monolith http://nethack4.org/esolangs/monolith.bfjoust
< 1411393118 738047 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.monolith: points 21.98, score 92.65/100, rank 2/47 (change: +45)
< 1411393136 483928 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust mroman.whoho (-+)*999999
< 1411393137 826260 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.mromanwhoho: points -21.43, score 9.61/100, rank 47/47
< 1411393172 604586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, there's something else I've been working on, but it won't do very well
< 1411393177 550616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should stay on the hill pretty much forever, though
< 1411393179 448063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try
< 1411393196 422889 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust mroman.whoho (>+>-)*2<<<<(-+)*999999
< 1411393198 2223 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.mromanwhoho: points -28.26, score 5.97/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411393208 548398 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's even worse :(
< 1411393211 575037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust margins http://nethack4.org/esolangs/margins.bfjoust
< 1411393218 49973 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.margins: points 0.64, score 37.61/100, rank 12/47
< 1411393241 60785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone, look at http://zem.fi/bfjoust/breakdown.txt
< 1411393242 999206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for margins
< 1411393244 701721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hilarious
< 1411393288 428531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: "-1" is easier way to type 100000 than "999999"
< 1411393313 787383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of ties.
< 1411393349 821278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: And you don't need to put your name and a . in manually; in fact, the dot you add is removed.
< 1411393380 60020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should really make that just reject names with "illegal" characters instead of silently modifying them.
< 1411393387 176600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the strategy, basically, is to win on tape length 10 and maybe 11 and 12, and draw all the others
< 1411393390 646628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus winning overall
< 1411393406 747577 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust whoho (>)*6(+[]<)*4>([-]>)*64
< 1411393408 31694 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.whoho: points -34.24, score 3.40/100, rank 47/47
< 1411393416 326473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust vibration >(+)*128<(-)*127(-+)*-1
< 1411393416 965602 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.vibration: points -12.50, score 17.47/100, rank 47/47
< 1411393437 51832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: that's the "original" vibration program, but the strategy's too well known by now
< 1411393440 788609 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust whoho (>)*6(-[]<)*4>([-]>)*64
< 1411393442 789339 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.whoho: points -36.81, score 2.68/100, rank 47/47
< 1411393472 960874 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like Brainfuck :)
< 1411393482 495355 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's why I've started yesterday on fungejoust)
< 1411393490 662396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: as I said earlier to someone else, programs that work via giving the opponent a large head start tend not to do very well
< 1411393532 799552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: It was called "Befunge gladiators" when proposed in 1997.
< 1411393599 127720 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust whoho (>)*9(-<)*8([-]>)*64
< 1411393600 997092 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.whoho: points -24.19, score 6.45/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411393629 252858 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust whoho (>)*9(-<+<)*4([-]>)*64
< 1411393630 812289 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.whoho: points -22.90, score 8.08/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411393631 227400 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>)([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>)([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>))*7
< 1411393631 865631 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -7.64, score 24.32/100, rank 40/47 (change: --)
< 1411393640 678376 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: proposed?
< 1411393644 18563 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.. not implemented?
< 1411393668 45206 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also it's not really befunge as of now. It's just a 2D programming language sofar)
< 1411393687 723055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: that program beats growth, which annoys me
< 1411393692 713518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the Befunge mailing list. I don't think anything ever came out of it.
< 1411393709 62592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, and the Warriors/Gladiators code is, for the moment, gone.  I plan to get a working version of it _sometime_, but no promises about when."
< 1411393719 274819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only surviving vestige is probably the cryptic "team number" field for the y Funge-98 instruction in the spec.
< 1411393794 451799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also, Befunge-97 should be a Cartinfinispheribefunge."
< 1411393796 842991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good list.
< 1411393806 751249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For example, Klefunge is a synonym for Mobitrefunge."
< 1411393810 478273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of talk on the taxonomy.
< 1411393852 589179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regular Befunge-93 is 80,25-Cartefinitoribefunge-93 in that system.
< 1411393881 488908 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust whoho (>)*9(>[(-)*128])([-])*-1
< 1411393882 79742 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.whoho: points -31.10, score 5.77/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411393985 419239 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.phlamethrower.co.uk/befunge/befwars.php
< 1411394026 984881 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing that. Someone made a start of befunge battling
< 1411394093 35077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust simple (>)*8([>(-)*100[-]])*21  i think I got something like this out of the evolver early on
< 1411394093 987005 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie.simple: points -32.07, score 5.67/100, rank 47/47
< 1411394112 128583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not exactly like that, but with a simple giant jump at the start.
< 1411394161 573041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, the > should not be inside the []s.
< 1411394172 1740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust simple (>)*8(>[(-)*100[-]])*21  i think I got something like this out of the evolver early on
< 1411394172 893159 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie.simple: points -17.57, score 14.31/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411394193 21401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not much better, but it's at least not entirely absurd.
< 1411394239 498151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's just fizzie_tiny, isn't it?
< 1411394277 885562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, did I submit it? 
< 1411394301 829435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, but it seems to have fallen off the hill in the meantime
< 1411394328 522493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. It's pretty much just that, with a .- clear and a couple of decoys.
< 1411394351 670382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny >(+)*4>(-)*4>+>-(>)*5([(-)*125[.-]]>)*-1  let's see out of curiosity
< 1411394352 492226 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie.tiny: points -19.55, score 12.73/100, rank 47/47
< 1411394368 505698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still last, which would explain why it's no longer there.
< 1411394479 142390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny2 >++>-->+>-(>)*4(>[(-)*110[-]])*21
< 1411394479 588929 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie.tiny2: points -20.67, score 11.34/100, rank 47/47
< 1411394562 81309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny2 (>-->++)*4(>[(-)*100[-]])*21
< 1411394562 808312 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie.tiny2: points -23.40, score 9.85/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411394576 374230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, just worse.
< 1411394812 996675 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411394836 537205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1411394838 1946 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1411394892 942185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny2 (>-->++)*4(>[(-[{(+[{(+)*140[-]}])%6}])%3])*21
< 1411394893 916320 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie.tiny2: points -16.83, score 15.04/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411394968 915591 :Guest24268!~zuu@0x5e911bd1.adsl.cybercity.dk NICK :Zuu
< 1411394976 21687 :Zuu!~zuu@0x5e911bd1.adsl.cybercity.dk QUIT :Changing host
< 1411394976 187792 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411395009 421242 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([+++++++[-]]>)*3([+++++++[-]]>)[-------[+]]>[+++++++[-]]>[+++++++++++++++++++[-]]>[+++++++[-]]>[--------------[+]]>[+++++++[-]]>[+++++++[-]]>[++++++++++++++++[-]]>[----------[+]]>[-------[+]]>[++++++++++++++++++++++++++[-]]>[----------------[+]]>[-------------------------[+]]>[-------------[+]]>[++++++++++++++++[-]]>[++++++++++++++++++++++[-]]>[---
< 1411395009 575306 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: error: parse error: starting ( without a matching )
< 1411395009 575501 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-------------[+]]>[+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[-]]>[+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[-]]>
< 1411395064 95832 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>([+++++++[-]]>)*3([+++++++[-]]>)[-------[+]]>[+++++++[-]]>[+++++++++++++++++++[-]]>[+++++++[-]]>[--------------[+]]>[+++++++[-]]>[+++++++[-]]>[++++++++++++++++[-]]>[----------[+]]>[-------[+]]>[++++++++++++++++++++++++++[-]]>[----------------[+]]>[-------------------------[+]]>[-------------[+]]>[++++++++++++++++[-]]>[++++++++++++++++++++++[-]]>[----
< 1411395064 285108 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :------------[+]]>[+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[-]]>[+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[-]]>
< 1411395064 285306 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: error: parse error: starting [ without a matching ]
< 1411395069 419294 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1411395071 631382 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1411395353 641912 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s too long, your message is getting split up.
< 1411395427 970651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not illegal to use (+)*n to abbreviate something like +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ too.
< 1411395453 280245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also possibly makes it easier to tweak constants. Or maybe not, adding or deleting characters is pretty easy too.)
< 1411395464 40379 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, good. I was really worried about that...
< 1411395497 162241 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, I'm just trying to get a feel for the hardcode
< 1411395761 865659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1411395773 795855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411396453 37400 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411396617 627641 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Bitoven14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40516&oldid=40496 5* 03Imaginer1 5* (+11) 10
< 1411396641 673245 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1411396643 816493 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lispwars
< 1411396653 152457 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1411396657 163032 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it.
< 1411396674 653525 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a tape. Whereas the tape consists of pointers to lisp lists
< 1411396679 683721 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a program is just a list)
< 1411396682 634739 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that
< 1411396708 807671 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturally.
< 1411396733 3593 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much harder to say what a step is though.
< 1411397076 353353 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah, RLE compression works great on brainfuck code
< 1411397246 378980 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>([(+)*17[-]]>)*7([(-)*28[+]]>)*7
< 1411397246 844053 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -19.62, score 13.75/100, rank 47/47 (change: -11)
< 1411397299 748036 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>([(+)*6[-]]>)*21
< 1411397423 984265 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>([(+)*17[-]]>)*21
< 1411397424 833028 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -11.43, score 20.60/100, rank 46/47 (change: -10)
< 1411397453 138455 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>([(+)*5[-]]>)*21
< 1411397453 896520 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -9.10, score 22.09/100, rank 46/47 (change: --)
< 1411397475 939633 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>([(+)*3[-]]>)*21
< 1411397476 857162 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -12.74, score 18.13/100, rank 46/47 (change: --)
< 1411397963 58643 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: yeah...
< 1411397997 665490 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my 2d language is of higher priority anyway
< 1411398017 304754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1411398030 959460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411398082 185829 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>)*1([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>))*7
< 1411398083 329670 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -6.14, score 26.78/100, rank 34/47 (change: +12)
< 1411398106 452037 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it allowed to steal someones bfjoust program and tweak it .?
< 1411398129 602701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: it's normally considered bad style to steal the entire program, but stealing ideas is fine
< 1411398136 12035 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::H
< 1411398137 201202 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on who's stealing from who.
< 1411398149 175356 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp +
< 1411398149 802027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, however, considered legitimate to repost someone else's program that's fallen off the hill, if you credit them
< 1411398149 952913 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -34.71, score 4.14/100, rank 47/47
< 1411398152 977674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're wondering how it would do nowadays
< 1411398179 250598 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp ([+]-)*-1
< 1411398180 192502 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -23.52, score 4.96/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411398196 381621 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411398196 666745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust return_of_myndzi_slowrush >(+)*22>(-)*22(>++++++>------)*1>+>->->+(>[[-(+)*22[-]]+>[+(-)*22[+]]->]+)*21 
< 1411398198 32860 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.return_of_myndzi_slowrush: points -10.81, score 21.18/100, rank 47/47
< 1411398198 220427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that
< 1411398202 31878 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (>[+]-)*-1
< 1411398202 539275 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -29.48, score 9.00/100, rank 47/47
< 1411398225 892602 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (>)*3(>[+]-)*-1
< 1411398226 850479 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -26.55, score 10.70/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411398239 476125 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (>)*9(>[+]-)*-1
< 1411398239 956974 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -21.38, score 13.75/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411398269 738835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the invention of the offset clear was revolutionary
< 1411398277 567235 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (>)*9(>[+]-)*9
< 1411398278 108232 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -26.83, score 9.13/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411398283 35495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me, I put a new idea into growth
< 1411398285 529918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I start with an offset clear
< 1411398289 560348 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (>)*9(>[+]-)*9([-]>)*-1
< 1411398290 24670 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -23.79, score 11.66/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411398298 330693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I turn /off/ the offset after 200 cycles
< 1411398306 448559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because at that point, it's unlikely to be useful
< 1411398316 304022 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (>)*9+[](>[+]-)*-1
< 1411398316 999195 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -34.17, score 4.88/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411398322 874884 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (>)*9-[](>[+]-)*-1
< 1411398324 24790 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -34.02, score 4.94/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411398326 179575 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1411398343 934992 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (>)*9(-)*10[](>[+]-)*-1
< 1411398345 36685 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -33.38, score 5.13/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411398347 96720 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yhflqdogxqksdfit JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411398373 577186 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (>->+)*4(>[+]-)*-1
< 1411398373 953140 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -24.17, score 12.47/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411398380 923493 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (>->-)*4(>[+]-)*-1
< 1411398381 387676 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -23.98, score 12.58/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411398398 722515 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (>-)*9(>[+]-)*-1
< 1411398399 125562 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -24.62, score 11.94/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411398412 136394 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (>-)*4(>)*5(>[+]-)*-1
< 1411398412 850504 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -22.50, score 13.67/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411398422 514794 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (>->+)*2(>)*5(>[+]-)*-1
< 1411398422 952908 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -23.21, score 13.08/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411398450 738771 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (>-)*3(>)*6(>[+]-)*-1
< 1411398451 165649 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -23.05, score 12.88/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411398455 874565 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1411398478 522499 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least my corewars programs are still on the beginner's hill .
< 1411398512 206854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: programs like imp aren't inherently bad; however, they are what most of the hill is designed to beat
< 1411398518 700197 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imp is a corewar staple too right?
< 1411398528 148723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: it's part of a corewar strategy
< 1411398529 707245 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :imp is mov 0,1
< 1411398536 217181 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is like a virus
< 1411398537 817758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people set up imps, or imp spirals, as a distraction or last resort
< 1411398539 760646 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it copies itself
< 1411398561 641046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an imp copies itself, whereas an imp spiral is multiple programs that copy each other
< 1411398565 217879 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just copy yourself forward.
< 1411398566 177813 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov 0,1 is "move this instruction to the next cell"
< 1411398576 421096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirals are useful because they'll exit if the opponent runs them
< 1411398586 399712 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then ip get's incremented and will execute mov 0,1 again
< 1411398587 981031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder how often core wars ends up in a draw due to the entirety of memory being full of imps
< 1411398588 818444 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never got that far in corewars.
< 1411398604 916284 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :imp is also sometimes and "end strategy"
< 1411398613 457101 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do your thing at if it ain't working you just imp it
< 1411398623 833769 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because imps draw a lot and make you lose less
< 1411398640 871117 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/at/and
< 1411398641 907135 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oops (>-*5>+*5>-*32)*3(>[+-+.])*11
< 1411398642 966602 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e.oops: points -35.90, score 3.77/100, rank 47/47
< 1411398655 746498 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oops (>-*5>+*5>-*32)*3(>[+])*11
< 1411398656 896689 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e.oops: points -30.45, score 7.10/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411398665 504942 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (-)*128(>)*-1
< 1411398665 868956 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -40.12, score 1.96/100, rank 47/47
< 1411398677 236984 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1411398692 675936 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp ((-)*128>)*-1
< 1411398692 985784 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -35.83, score 3.41/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411398699 865122 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1411398710 728966 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp >((-)*128>)*-1
< 1411398711 149125 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -35.33, score 3.19/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411398733 108658 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oops (>-*5>>+*12)*3(>[+.])*11
< 1411398733 903670 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e.oops: points -34.21, score 4.64/100, rank 47/47
< 1411398741 396358 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oops (>-*5>>+*12)*3(>[+])*11
< 1411398741 826232 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e.oops: points -29.74, score 7.27/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411398755 136534 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp [*5]*5
< 1411398755 876536 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -34.76, score 4.13/100, rank 47/47
< 1411398761 896827 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp [*5+*3]*5
< 1411398763 70933 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -26.93, score 4.49/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411398811 760810 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp ([]+*127[]-*129)*-1
< 1411398812 941758 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -34.76, score 4.13/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411398838 861994 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1411398845 173289 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't this prevent the flag from being 0?
< 1411398846 909548 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust deadFish <><
< 1411398847 60381 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.deadFish: points -46.00, score 0.00/100, rank 47/47
< 1411398891 553178 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp ([]+*9-*7+*66-*55+99-*33)*-1
< 1411398892 40417 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -34.76, score 4.13/100, rank 47/47
< 1411398910 223340 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp ([]+--)*-1
< 1411398910 939078 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -34.26, score 4.19/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411398958 2620 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just doing ++++ all the time should prevent the flag from being 0 for two cycles?
< 1411398968 3602 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1411398968 216829 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1411398972 41729 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp ((+)*-1)*-1
< 1411398974 835745 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -15.67, score 13.65/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411398979 85287 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1411398980 345638 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you: +, opponen: 0
< 1411398982 804454 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty good actually
< 1411398983 563851 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :-
< 1411398997 784785 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1411398998 619868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: congrats on space_hotel, it is one of the hardest programs of all times to beat
< 1411399002 296632 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (((+)*-1)*-1)*-1
< 1411399003 511263 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust +*-1
< 1411399003 843738 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: "!bfjoust progname code". See http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for documentation.
< 1411399004 391382 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -15.67, score 13.65/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411399009 146022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: it doesn't work against someone doing [-]
< 1411399013 449997 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust quark +*-1
< 1411399014 209454 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e.quark: points -34.76, score 4.13/100, rank 47/47
< 1411399016 577236 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (((+)*-1)*-1)([-]>)*-1
< 1411399017 837637 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -26.26, score 4.79/100, rank 47/47
< 1411399020 873694 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1411399026 155291 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust quark (+)*-1
< 1411399028 217994 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e.quark: points -15.67, score 13.65/100, rank 47/47
< 1411399031 7062 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp ((((+)*-1)*-1))*-1([-]>)*-1
< 1411399033 894092 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -26.26, score 4.79/100, rank 47/47
< 1411399036 561476 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust quark ((+)*-1)*-1
< 1411399039 249539 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e.quark: points -15.67, score 13.65/100, rank 47/47
< 1411399040 912379 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1411399042 635485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you set the flag from 255 to 0 on the opponent's ], then they keep it at 0 by running - at the same time as your +
< 1411399045 641750 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp +*-1
< 1411399046 224959 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine does surprisingly well against spacehotel.
< 1411399046 890391 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -34.76, score 4.13/100, rank 47/47
< 1411399054 38750 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (+)*-1
< 1411399056 879333 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -15.67, score 13.65/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411399084 203701 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust quark ((-)*-1)*-1
< 1411399087 249490 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e.quark: points -15.67, score 13.65/100, rank 47/47
< 1411399096 303583 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp ((+)*-1([-]>))*-1
< 1411399098 876934 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -15.67, score 13.65/100, rank 47/47
< 1411399106 191232 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust quark ((++-+--)*-1)*-1
< 1411399108 10251 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e.quark: points -21.29, score 11.13/100, rank 47/47
< 1411399121 923180 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp ((+)*-1([-]>))*128
< 1411399122 605984 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust quark ((+.)*-1)*-1
< 1411399124 908812 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -15.67, score 13.65/100, rank 47/47
< 1411399126 968031 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e.quark: points -25.21, score 4.46/100, rank 47/47
< 1411399141 483772 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(kills itself, of course)
< 1411399149 768647 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (+>-<+)*-1
< 1411399153 684412 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust quark ((+.-.)*-1)*-1
< 1411399154 107224 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -7.90, score 18.01/100, rank 47/47
< 1411399157 806240 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1411399158 223141 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e.quark: points -14.62, score 11.80/100, rank 47/47
< 1411399159 631559 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :18.01!!!!!
< 1411399176 453300 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (+>->+<<+)*-1
< 1411399178 505031 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1411399178 834662 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -25.05, score 7.04/100, rank 47/47
< 1411399182 939366 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1411399185 813409 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (+>-<+)*-1
< 1411399191 5814 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -7.90, score 18.01/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411399200 755423 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03RosarioLuncefor 5*  10New user account
< 1411399215 612089 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp >(+>-<+)*-1
< 1411399220 158077 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -19.52, score 4.63/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411399226 565548 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1411399233 45672 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp >->+(+>-<+)*-1
< 1411399237 572629 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Use These Tips To Begin With Facebook or twitter Advertising These days14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40517 5* 03RosarioLuncefor 5* (+5276) 10Created page with "  There's much more to Facebook marketing and advertising than only building a Fb site. If you're unfamiliar with Fb or maybe your marketing campaign hasn't viewed outcomes bu..."
< 1411399238 795774 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -20.57, score 3.93/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411399256 14742 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (+>-<+[])*-1
< 1411399256 943465 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -38.90, score 2.18/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411399272 540371 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp ([]+>-<+)*-1
< 1411399273 35878 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -34.26, score 4.19/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411399294 77383 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s up with the ()*-1 ?
< 1411399319 343611 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>)*1([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>)*1([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>)*1)*7
< 1411399320 44674 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -6.57, score 25.02/100, rank 36/47 (change: -2)
< 1411399323 219337 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (->+<-)*-1
< 1411399327 161197 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -7.93, score 17.88/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411399335 929834 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (+>+<+)*-1
< 1411399340 42180 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -9.19, score 16.89/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411399345 17637 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411399350 925438 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (->-<-)*-1
< 1411399355 115857 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -9.19, score 16.89/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411399361 127751 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.
< 1411399364 725948 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't seem to be better.
< 1411399396 214351 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :<json:string name="ficoScore"> > 640</json:string> http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/wsdatap/v6r0m0/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.dp.xm.doc%2Fjson_jsonx.html
< 1411399403 208275 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (+>(+>-<+)<+)*-1
< 1411399406 217818 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -9.31, score 15.42/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411399431 660565 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (+>(+>-<)<+)*-1
< 1411399435 271811 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -9.31, score 15.42/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411399449 508814 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp (+>--<+)*-1
< 1411399452 99713 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -17.76, score 10.14/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411399498 528043 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp >(>->+)*4<*9(+>-<+)*-1
< 1411399501 952087 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -27.33, score 3.53/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411399509 305943 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1411399522 580861 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So cumbersome even IBM® can’t make the example XML valid.
< 1411399533 206490 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp >>>->+<<<<(+>-<+)*-1
< 1411399537 978359 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -10.19, score 14.15/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411399563 284226 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so setting up decoys is bad
< 1411399615 547763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in bad programs, setting up decoys is bad
< 1411399623 817908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a certain proportion of programs will just skip the first n decoys
< 1411399628 426985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not setting any decoys gets you free wins
< 1411399635 709856 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp ((+>-<+)(->+<-))*-1
< 1411399638 163672 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -34.76, score 4.11/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411399645 76948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this consideration mostly goes away once your program can actually start winning normally
< 1411399670 584440 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1411399687 152531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, I used to be able to just give new people example programs
< 1411399691 361134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as this_sort_of_thing
< 1411399694 114973 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust +(127)(+>-<+)*-1
< 1411399694 265636 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: "!bfjoust progname code". See http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for documentation.
< 1411399699 684546 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp +(127)(+>-<+)*-1
< 1411399700 843331 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -35.24, score 3.03/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411399704 881587 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp +(126)(+>-<+)*-1
< 1411399705 888970 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -35.24, score 3.03/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411399711 787552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust this_sort_of_thing >>>>(+)*20(<(+)*90)*4(>)*8(>[(+)*20[-]])*21
< 1411399712 913361 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.this_sort_of_thing: points -12.64, score 17.70/100, rank 47/47
< 1411399715 232989 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust imp +(+>-<+)*-1
< 1411399715 832455 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.imp: points -35.24, score 3.03/100, rank 47/47
< 1411399718 791664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they don't even make the hill nowadays
< 1411399738 914902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point of this_sort_of_thing was to show a really basic program, that didn't do very well due to everyone having counters for it
< 1411399742 590422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps we should make the hill larger
< 1411399753 108586 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oops http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/oops
< 1411399758 227518 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e.oops: points -19.64, score 4.08/100, rank 47/47
< 1411399828 620673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have a newbie hill
< 1411399839 510047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can seed it with some programs that aren't very good
< 1411399900 708130 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oops (>-*5>>+*12)*3(>[+])*21
< 1411399901 146940 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e.oops: points -23.45, score 11.67/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411399918 272180 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oops (>-*5>>+*12)*3(>[+]+++)*21
< 1411399918 914018 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e.oops: points -23.31, score 11.75/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1411400111 38979 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what even is bfjoust?
< 1411400146 709029 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me google that for you ... on second thought, I can't be bothered.
< 1411400155 304317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust
< 1411400157 404317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go
< 1411400162 456756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the best programming games ever
< 1411400173 702468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last year, I was worried that the game had been "solved"
< 1411400179 853809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think that's the case any more
< 1411400197 606270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :growth uses some strategies that I'd never got to work before; margins is completely unlike anything I've ever seen before
< 1411400272 343213 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>----->++++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3[(+)*6[-]]>([(+)*12[-]]>)*3<<<<<(+)*13<(-)*7>>>>>>>[(+)*6[-]]>([(-)*6[+]]>)*3[(+)*6[-]]>)*7
< 1411400272 876477 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -6.79, score 26.14/100, rank 35/47 (change: --)
< 1411400312 670743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: it's a rush that sets more decoys after a while?
< 1411400315 666486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could work
< 1411400328 634721 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust firstlel [>(-)*128]
< 1411400329 96124 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1411400349 148149 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that is really terrible btw
< 1411400360 77244 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1411400361 281627 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea
< 1411400364 242116 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really bad
< 1411400370 38031 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1411400387 910855 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you flattened the hill?
< 1411400394 873691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: it's basically a turtle except it sets size-128 decoys
< 1411400404 575639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why zemhill quit
< 1411400411 339056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: zemhill is down
< 1411400437 532525 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also runs off to the right, but I guess that really isn't so uncommon.
< 1411400460 177864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that normally hardly matters, given that the tape length normally isn't 30
< 1411400462 161624 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>)*1([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>))*7
< 1411400467 650703 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1411400468 769120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in fact, when I try to special-case tape length 30, I often get it wrong
< 1411400475 898026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, this is silly
< 1411400482 288230 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411400484 850630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first TieSoul runs a program and zemhill crashes
< 1411400489 358551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then AndoDaan runs a program and AndoDaan crashes
< 1411400501 477110 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1411400503 426051 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems
< 1411400505 74877 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we all stop
< 1411400511 841534 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :zem.fi/bfjoust is not working at all
< 1411400513 655346 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You guys should try with the rubber lances
< 1411400529 471398 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That immediately sounded dirty.)
< 1411400539 715942 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I guess that would hurt less than mapoles.
< 1411400549 770096 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: no it didn't.
< 1411400563 315182 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Use These Tips To Begin With Facebook or twitter Advertising These days10]]": Spam: (and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/RosarioLuncefor|RosarioLuncefor]]")
< 1411400588 154577 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10blocked [[02User:RosarioLuncefor10]] with an expiry time of 2 decades, 4 years, 4 hours, 19 minutes and 12 seconds (account creation disabled): spambot
< 1411400602 685020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what?
< 1411400613 514185 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :until the end of the unix epoch?
< 1411400622 267764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said 24 years, which goes past the epoch I think
< 1411400629 117277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's slightly more than 24 years, by a few hours
< 1411400639 926181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's using floating point, or something stupid like that
< 1411400669 120911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"15:42, 22 September 2038"
< 1411400679 195283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't include the 4:19:12
< 1411400731 676923 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :time zone? hm
< 1411400758 61408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no time zones that precise
< 1411400785 34318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: seems the reason it got past the filter is that that sort of edit normally hits the "no newlines" filter, and the spambot has learned to prepend a newline
< 1411400820 103187 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: agreed. it's odd.
< 1411401043 422680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, that n4t44ha999 user is also a spambot, but it got caught in the filters
< 1411401098 111204 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>)*1([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+)*7[-]]>))*7
< 1411401167 838294 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/abusefilter14]]4 modify10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10modified [[02Special:AbuseFilter/410]] ([[Special:AbuseFilter/history/4/diff/prev/31]])
< 1411401239 299693 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust firstlel [>(-)*128.]
< 1411401252 369699 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/abusefilter14]]4 modify10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10modified [[02Special:AbuseFilter/510]] ([[Special:AbuseFilter/history/5/diff/prev/32]])
< 1411401254 152397 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zim's gone
< 1411401259 136250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1411401286 712625 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411401297 619829 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust firstlel (>+>-)*8>+[>(-)*128.+]
< 1411401333 651070 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1411401335 140282 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant
< 1411401338 950387 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust firstlel (>+>-)*4>+[>(-)*128.+]
< 1411401340 85606 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1411401357 281353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: the bot is down
< 1411401360 866240 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1411401372 753515 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making some programs anyway
< 1411401374 91670 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1411401479 171834 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Feuermonster14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40518 5* 03Ais523 5* (+668) 10notify about the userpage
< 1411401502 655767 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Feuermonster14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40519&oldid=40518 5* 03Ais523 5* (-31) 10whoops, used the wrong signature macro
< 1411401919 593383 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that program beats "simple" on every single tape length :P
< 1411401921 48315 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/?l=1544d3afb8e48ec0cbaa38ccac8d95af49af0549&r=700a65536df97b655acd5c8a6fd2fc3014b46148&t=30&p
< 1411401986 961867 :S1!~sheldon@p4FF93B90.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411402008 498778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a turtle
< 1411402106 602643 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03JackiN18agpha 5*  10New user account
< 1411402169 60643 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1411402562 856967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, apparently that user hasn't edited yet, either spam or not
< 1411402646 909898 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411402695 171874 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a captcha to register?
< 1411402763 112774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the spambots may have broken it
< 1411402791 309059 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool
< 1411402800 457676 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not cool
< 1411402863 171259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, despite understanding CAPTCHAs, the spambots seem incapable of understanding newlines
< 1411402870 394075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason
< 1411402885 328517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they eventually learn, I'll have to add new heuristics
< 1411402899 168876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have a bunch of "fundamental misunderstanding of newlines" filters in place, which catch almost all the spam
< 1411402948 400559 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds involved.
< 1411402976 10904 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much that has to go on behind the scenery to keeps things clean and running.
< 1411403017 411023 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you give me an example of newline protection?
< 1411403075 43799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.
< 1411403082 572531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: one of the rules is, if you use a <br> tag but don't use a newline /anywhere/, you're considered a spambot
< 1411403131 736320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It segfaulted.
< 1411403166 82407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's approximately 500 lines of dumped information about it.
< 1411403173 834935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why a turtle would segfault it
< 1411403175 178647 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fyi, I no longer host the wiki :p
< 1411403177 61309 :ineiros!~itniemin@hasturlovelace.cloud.tilaa.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1411403180 187031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[NOTE] You may have encountered a bug in the Ruby interpreter or extension libraries. Bug reports are welcome."
< 1411403190 541144 :ineiros!~itniemin@hasturlovelace.cloud.tilaa.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411403191 105046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it's written in /Ruby/?
< 1411403195 719955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still segfaulted?
< 1411403198 931436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1411403206 91356 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive.wav
< 1411403248 185758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should save all this stuff to see if I can reproduce.
< 1411403302 399286 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 QUIT :
< 1411403317 286097 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411403376 37065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wrote in TieSoul.firstlel.bfjoust, at least. And committed it, too.
< 1411403413 103986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I guess next it would have tried to recompute scores.
< 1411403424 630755 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411403441 88250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *am* using a rather experimental matrix library there, to be honest.
< 1411403460 300110 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.95.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>)*1([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+)*7[-]]>))*7
< 1411403460 896994 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -6.05, score 25.95/100, rank 34/47 (change: +2)
< 1411403478 769131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also one that has nontrivial native C++ bits I compiled with distcc because the VPS did not have enough memory *or* swap to compile them locally.
< 1411403514 358726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's the kind of thing that made me yearn after NumPy, which I used in the Python version.)
< 1411403558 582829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, it's exactly the matrix library where the segfault happened.
< 1411403568 346178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/bfjoust/.gem/ruby/1.9.1/gems/nmatrix-0.1.0.rc5/lib/nmatrix/nmatrix.rb:173: [BUG] Segmentation fault
< 1411403645 407700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a comment titled "#HACK" three lines above 173.
< 1411403691 652551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/NAWJ   cleanest library
< 1411403706 25083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe_get_noncomplex_default_value also best method name.
< 1411403871 280276 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why even use ruby? :p
< 1411403907 899078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still asking myself that.
< 1411403940 340594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just somehow landed on nanoc as the static website generator of the day, and that's written in Ruby, and...
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< 1411404131 735826 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we do want the lances to have high Mohs number.
< 1411404180 848355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of the "real" code is Ruby, just the IRC bot and hill maintenance glue over the 'gearlanced' tool.
< 1411404203 715438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that margins is a real stress-test for interpreters
< 1411404215 108385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, juiced can run margins vs. the hill in just a couple of seconds
< 1411404217 579763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can test it easily enough
< 1411404352 647187 :S1!~sheldon@p4FF93B90.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART #esoteric :"It is all there for the eyes to see. The blind ones will always suffer in secrecy..."
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< 1411404830 975984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gearlanced can run the entire hill (all 1081 program pairs) in 1.7 seconds on this system.
< 1411404881 667033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't surprise me; most pairs are pretty quick to run
< 1411404889 862186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, egojsout struggles even on preparation
< 1411404921 969020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should rerun the statistics-visualization page I used to make on this new stuff.
< 1411404929 683912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1411404932 156331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, that stuff also probably won't run on the VPS.
< 1411404945 694401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so it can't be auto-updated
< 1411404953 922320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it doesn't require tons of memory, you could do it in a background process
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< 1411405002 541195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory use is probably the main issue. I was thinking I'd just have it run like once every hour (if the hill has changed) otherwise.
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< 1411405154 281121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, well. The Python process has a resident size of 220 megs, that's not as bad as I feared.
< 1411405165 444253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The VPS has 256 megs of memory.)
< 1411405180 688476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much of the memory usage could reasonably be swapped out?
< 1411405229 849795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably just switch to a 512M DigitalOcean instance, I think the cost was approximately equal.
< 1411405244 361458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, I just generated statistics for "hill.yaml" too.
< 1411405262 551775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The statistics code assumed all files in the hill directory are brainfuck programs.
< 1411405280 562153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/bYhf   somehow I don't think it did very well.
< 1411405303 777142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lost in NaN cycles?
< 1411405378 990219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are from matplotlib/colorbar, so my guess is that some values were just unexpectedly constant.
< 1411405404 969882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program hill.yaml is equivalent to is "---.....".
< 1411405430 432874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically nop.bfjoust with some minimal anti-turtle protection
< 1411405591 272754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's still one "numpy/ma/core.py:790: RuntimeWarning: invalid value encountered in less_equal: return umath.less_equal(x, self.critical_value)" warning from the tournament-wide plots.
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< 1411406727 990615 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought: a good programming language is defined more by what you can't do, then what you can do
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< 1411406839 73014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :diginet: I think that's a reasonable opinion
< 1411406876 429399 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my thought is that this follows from the fact that the set of working programs is much, much smaller than the set of all programs, working and non-working
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< 1411407492 671896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/egostats/ -- misleading name, but page's updated. (Got sidetracked.)
< 1411407498 295462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that's with the traditional scoring.
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< 1411407528 589817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:38:12] <fizzie> http://zem.fi/egostats/ -- misleading name, but page's updated. (Got sidetracked.)
< 1411407531 590167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:38:18] <fizzie> Also that's with the traditional scoring.
< 1411407533 179234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ In case you missed.
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< 1411407659 777578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny how traditional scoring puts ais523.margins dead last, even though it has a positive amount of points, and rank #13 in the current scoring.
< 1411407687 453877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally the differences aren't quite that radical.
< 1411407709 269398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, I'm happy with the new scoring because there'd be no reason to work on programs like margins otherwise
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< 1411408196 498986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think during all my renamings I've managed to mess up the programs of david_werecat; now they're called david.werecat_foo. Oh well.
< 1411408297 927003 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely that's not hard to fix?
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< 1411410430 974294 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat: Gmail generates little shortcut buttons in your inbox for messages about Github issues/pulls.
< 1411410461 937863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :github /emails/ people?
< 1411410481 106362 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine does; but only for stuff I'm watching, or for my own repos.
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< 1411410506 768343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, someday, github will actually understand git
< 1411410750 392184 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good for them. I, for one, don't plan to
< 1411410844 405597 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :99% sure that understanding git is a quick way to misery.
< 1411410848 613168 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not unlike using git.
< 1411410848 764466 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: This was recently announced on the GitHub blogthingy.
< 1411410865 74887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: have I told you about git-beautifier yet
< 1411410870 348254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's vaporware, in that I haven't started writing it
< 1411410875 148656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think #esoteric would like the idea
< 1411410887 325125 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1411410888 387227 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_<
< 1411410901 208065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it adds whitespace at the end of commit messages in order to make all the hash abbreviations go in order
< 1411410907 971641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the commits go 1, 2, 3, etc.
< 1411410913 989911 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1411410933 971014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hash abbreviation is 7 hex digits, this should be within the power of a modern computer to bruteforce eventually
< 1411410937 773015 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hg-git.github.io/ is my git beautifier.
< 1411410943 61351 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Well, I use it because at the time I started the only alternative I knew of was Sourceforge, which depresses me every time I look at it.
< 1411410962 437088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it because other people use it, although I think it's badly designed in some wys
< 1411410964 47282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ways
< 1411410984 878332 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use github by way of automatically cloning all of my Mercurial repositories from bitbucket.
< 1411410997 169742 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that because people who don't know better and big companies follow github only.
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< 1411413943 640017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I have to use Github for work, but I avoid it for personal stuff because it's so awful
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< 1411413971 483293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm always suspicious of sites that are so eager for new users that they don't even have a confirm password box on signup (and the signup page is /their homepage/)
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< 1411414476 757157 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Heh, bitbucket's the same way.
< 1411414483 126711 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a sign of the times, I think.
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< 1411414741 535396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twitter's home page is very signup-biased too.
< 1411414774 258108 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what is the confirm password box biased for?
< 1411414788 40423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever figured out how to e.g. search for tweets from there, without first going through some irrelevant tweet or Google.
< 1411414835 27525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's just a login box and a sign-up box, and a useless top bar, a bottom navbar for company stuff, and a single highlighted tweet-with-a-photo.
< 1411414856 34453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you actually open a tweet, the top bar there has search options.
< 1411414868 490071 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://homepages.cwi.nl/~tromp/cl/cl.html
< 1411414975 336681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, reCAPTCHA. "Type the two words:" and an image of a single house number sign.
< 1411415118 956872 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I've been getting that a lot recently >_>
< 1411415180 252323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: they do that when the IP has a good reputation
< 1411415192 945286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use it to help them figure out where the Google Street View cars are
< 1411415203 620073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they ran out of books to digitize, or someting
< 1411415230 810062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back when it was more about book scans, you used to get non-words (maths, or non-latin alphabets, or whatnot), and I always worried over what I should fill in.
< 1411415243 365216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I didn't want to introduce a mistake in their data.
< 1411415376 301281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The home page -- http://www.google.com/recaptcha/ -- lists three things they do: Street View images, book scans and "high quality human labelled images are compiled into datasets that can be used to train Machine Learning systems".
< 1411415430 34272 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1411415445 167048 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, recaptcha's are being used to train machines to beat recaptchas?
< 1411415463 986317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that is all about, since numbers and text are the only things I've seen from there.
< 1411415501 562320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google benefit from spambots being able to beat every captcha but theirs
< 1411415522 331125 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's actually a good way to stay ahead of the curve. You do it on someone else's research money, too.
< 1411415524 38971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard a similar argument explaining why they don't care much about spam coming from gmail
< 1411415551 981568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the current relative difficulty is for the audio reCAPTCHA vs. the image one.
< 1411415609 928191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It certainly didn't sound very difficult, but maybe they do heavier rate-limiting or something, under the assumption that it's used less, or something.
< 1411415840 768541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.
< 1411415866 625359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a "WRITE: 300- to 500-word Blog Post about Crowdsourcing and Transcription" request in Amazon Mechanical Turk.
< 1411415873 274882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$25 reward, 57 available.
< 1411415892 147994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, for people who have an "In-House Blog Writer" qualification.
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< 1411416001 422482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know people are using that thing for stuff like that. There's also a "Write: 350-word Article About an Industry Topic or Trend" task for "Writer II"'s.
< 1411416334 112073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many of those are people trying to do homework, or the corporate equivalent
< 1411416400 555466 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only assume there's an official ban on pornography, and not on much of anything else.
< 1411416578 465643 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an "Adult Content" qualification, though
< 1411416988 225604 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. I read an article about MT once where the writer did the math and suggested that the average MT task pays out on the order of pennies-per-hour ...
< 1411417569 673307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the average task that's actually filled?
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< 1411418392 504573 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/FMNSSun/Burlesque/issues/51 <- In case anybody is interested in discussing the future of Burlesque
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< 1411418745 571008 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it might be time to rewrite the esowiki page for it :)
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< 1411420428 8929 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: crowdsourcing a blog post about crowdsourcing is beautiful
< 1411421062 470483 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1411421108 879340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the curious, the Ruby segfault happened from the line "break if (s - ps).abs.mean.to_f < 0.000001" (termination condition for the "iterated traditional" score, called when writing the JSON report), in the method 'mean', but there is not enough information in the dump to determine the exact inputs, in order to see if it happens repeatedly.
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< 1411422517 635989 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.67.227 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1411423285 368897 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat102.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1411423749 28601 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1411424584 873510 :Bernd_Lauert!~sheldon@p4FF93B90.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: It is all there for the eyes to see. The blind ones will always suffer in secrecy...
< 1411424774 829162 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
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< 1411425772 75966 :Sorella!~queen@191.185.197.120 QUIT :Changing host
< 1411425772 226622 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411425877 400897 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clem14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40520&oldid=40508 5* 03173.67.61.149 5* (+18) 10
< 1411425911 742720 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow
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< 1411426196 596905 :eddieconroy!43f89088@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.248.144.136 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1411426295 656169 :eddieconroy!43f89088@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.248.144.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here
< 1411426297 33955 :eddieconroy!43f89088@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.248.144.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1411426316 787288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome eddieconroy 
< 1411426317 637739 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06eddieconroy: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02<http://esolangs.org/>. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.)
< 1411426319 783237 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.71.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kinda here
< 1411426344 724244 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.71.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :purdy
< 1411426362 572948 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am about here.
< 1411426366 102196 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a purdy?
< 1411426367 10944 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat102.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ain't
< 1411426387 322179 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.71.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pretty" but real sweet like... purdy
< 1411426469 652421 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY. (in an oerjanian voice.)
< 1411426487 554188 :eddieconroy!43f89088@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.248.144.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anybody here "see" reptiles/monsters behind humans faces out and about?
< 1411426513 956446 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, cf. our Dear Prime Minister.
< 1411426534 601301 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.71.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://i.imgur.com/RlYangA.jpg
< 1411426551 521179 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.71.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 eddie
< 1411426558 729338 :eddieconroy!43f89088@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.248.144.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4?
< 1411426561 185461 :eddieconroy!43f89088@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.248.144.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1411426596 578183 :eddieconroy!43f89088@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.248.144.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :serious question
< 1411426700 552500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eddieconroy: i think you want the other kind of esoteric.
< 1411426701 801141 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.71.5 NICK :AndoDaan
< 1411426713 333646 :eddieconroy!43f89088@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.248.144.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this kind of esoteric?
< 1411426720 105101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see HackEgo message above
< 1411426721 690857 :eddieconroy!43f89088@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.248.144.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit.
< 1411426734 534396 :eddieconroy!43f89088@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.248.144.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys probably think I am crazy
< 1411426742 426359 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all.
< 1411426771 470825 :eddieconroy!43f89088@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.248.144.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp, seeya later!
< 1411426778 255549 :eddieconroy!43f89088@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.248.144.136 QUIT :
< 1411426784 901198 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye eddie
< 1411426796 620131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we won't see him again, the reptiles will get him.
< 1411426801 642561 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll always miss your zany questiona
< 1411427067 649255 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat102.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1411427096 115721 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1411427570 463350 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1411428197 39326 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go get eaten by reptiles. or eat poutine, which is about the same.
< 1411428217 1139 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SAURIAN CHICKEN
< 1411428912 774517 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1411429000 378695 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
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< 1411429426 168602 :Zuu!~zuu@0x5e911bd1.adsl.cybercity.dk NICK :Guest81248
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