< 1412640188 472042 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412640333 389175 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412641280 577470 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run gcc -Wall hello.c < 1412641282 486856 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello.c:1:12: warning: ‘main’ is usually a function [-Wmain] < 1412642309 63086 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1412642317 932931 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1412642694 743402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does english not even have a singular of clothes < 1412642722 360855 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1412643073 138753 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1412643073 377469 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1412643088 140839 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1412644134 390230 :mcfrish!~mcfrish@199.30.163.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412644169 765385 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412644613 691297 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey all, speaking about befunge here. Is there any fast way to do advanced stack manipulations. For instance 'right rotating' a LIFO stack (the first value becomes the third, third, become second, second becomes first) < 1412644644 655550 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :93? 98? < 1412644662 793551 :mcfrish!~mcfrish@199.30.163.2 PART :#esoteric < 1412644737 39671 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98. Although, not entirely sure of the difference between them. < 1412644788 742838 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 93 you have almost no way to directly or indirectly access the stack element past second-to-the-top < 1412644894 578660 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excluding sets and puts? Or does 93 not have those? < 1412644903 474385 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, excluding sets and puts < 1412644929 607277 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, and in 98 what commands let you do that? < 1412644930 594603 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, you are obviously limited in 80*25 bytes then < 1412644961 362870 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik there is no direct command, but you can combine stack stack ops to get the similar effect, I think < 1412645106 599871 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried to work out how to use the command seen here 9http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Befunge) paste the second, but I can't seem to . < 1412645111 125228 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example? < 1412645172 746121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1412645307 448910 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1412645424 241709 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mahem1: the Wikipedia article exclusively discusses Befunge-93 (which is far smaller language than Funge-98), you should look at the "official Funge-98 specification" in the external links. < 1412645445 912280 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, unless you want to constrain yourself to Befunge-93 < 1412645732 708308 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, Dang, buh, I've been stuck in a small little world... Thanks for setting me free from the small world of befunge93! < 1412645772 268193 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the constraint is often a source of creativity though ;) < 1412645966 780300 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, it's quite fun and intriguing actually. But I feel like I am cheating when I just use gets and puts as variables with mostly an empty stack... < 1412645981 799800 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all do it. < 1412645989 865310 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much room for variables. < 1412646006 500467 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just lying there, under the ip's feet. < 1412646043 94028 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm, no goto in Funge98 < 1412646061 400884 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, we all do, but then it kills the challenge. < 1412646081 27099 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.tkk.fi/~mniemenm/befunge/ccbi.html best '98 interpreter, has most of the fingerprints (modules) < 1412646104 307922 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is cfunge still in development? < 1412646117 282720 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fun trying to figure out when to duplicate the top value for use way later in your program. < 1412646205 792690 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it, lifthrasiir. but idk. < 1412646210 887655 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412646226 391864 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1412646272 827198 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda lost my appetite for befunge when i started golfing. all that creativity doesn't help with competetiveness. < 1412646699 317161 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tfgjpwdkxjmarkau QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1412647430 822861 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think CCBI is very in-development, either. < 1412647575 439988 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :funge's best days are behind him i'm afraid. < 1412648065 924166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1412648582 344873 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1412648778 258852 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1412649235 390717 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1412650374 351332 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm, how do I get this 3rd dimension working... < 1412650398 285895 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you using the windows' binary? < 1412650427 13458 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ccbi i mean. < 1412650818 636229 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno I got my interpretter from here. https://github.com/catseye/Befunge-93/blob/master/src/bef.c < 1412650822 916113 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On, linux. < 1412650956 370278 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think '98 is implemented in that one. < 1412650975 681792 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the 3D stuff is '98. < 1412651041 812022 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any particular reason for a finite number of dimensions < 1412651049 503984 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1412651083 387865 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk hilbert space just seems.... tooo big. < 1412651113 844816 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1412651124 507154 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying, as long as you're adding a whole dimension, might as well go for broke. < 1412651212 406488 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but after 3... maybe 4, it's just useless trying to visualize. and for me, personally, i'm useless without visualization. < 1412651217 709597 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like funge 98 is generic anyway? you could have a unary "turn in this direction" operator in addition to the usual 0ary ones, so you wouldn't even need infinite opcodes < 1412651280 620996 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever played nethack or something? they do three dee just by successive slices of 2D, and it works fine since the topology is discrete. shouldn't be too hard in n dimensions < 1412651368 126411 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i've been looking a nethack recently. and i couldn't make out if it was a topdown view, or side on. < 1412651374 129042 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :topdown < 1412651377 176446 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes practice though yeah < 1412651400 188790 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops that is what I am using now. But I meant in funge98. < 1412651417 794648 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i just mean each floor is a flat surface, and the dungeon as a whole is just a bunch of those taped together < 1412651418 398992 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: it already has instructions to set delta < 1412651424 645522 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell yes < 1412651426 689723 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can do arbitrary dimensions, the only thing you need to specify is file encoding really < 1412651439 85252 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :very forward thinking < 1412651443 556189 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd need tweaks for infinite dimensions though. < 1412651450 176021 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like what code is excuted in the 3rd dimension. How do you write it? . Or do I need to let it write it's own code in 3d? < 1412651450 639327 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are three dee spaces encoded < 1412651464 372840 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :h and l i think < 1412651467 247511 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^L increases z and resets x and y, basically < 1412651472 955736 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^L as in the control code < 1412651486 117852 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't we have a befunge '98 bot here? < 1412651488 338821 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean how would you describe the 3d space of a program < 1412651492 276543 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: help < 1412651492 482948 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: we were at this arcade. do you remember when i gave you five hundred bucks, and told you to upgrade my computer for doom 3? < 1412651500 12974 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you mean < 1412651504 435336 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about the file format < 1412651509 953196 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use ^L to separate 3D slices, basically < 1412651516 603221 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that makes sense then < 1412651520 503526 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant those were instructions < 1412651542 855106 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye mentions other topologies so that's uh, something < 1412651573 577284 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuity sounds like it would be annoying. < 1412651688 389878 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a certain number of dimensions having instructions might be redundant. you only need like... i think seven continuous dimensions to run a UTC < 1412651758 473938 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still confused on how to use l and h...  < 1412651770 410493 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1412651802 8123 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the befunge 98 spec link is broken :( < 1412651846 2191 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to find on github though i guess, if that's what this is < 1412651858 924301 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://quadium.net/funge/spec98.html < 1412651954 654182 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the delta function uses absolute space! how am i supposed to generalize this to a kerr-newman metric < 1412651979 935852 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the spec really seems to say is. < 1412651981 569587 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The h "Go High" instruction causes the IP to travel up (delta <- (0,0,1)); the l "Go Low" instruction causes the IP to travel down (delta <- (0,0,-1)). These instructions are not available in Unefunge or Befunge. < 1412652020 294752 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're wondering if that's a one time move or a more permanent change like <> etc? < 1412652044 53239 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permanant change I would assumen, cause it's changing the delta. < 1412652054 913564 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what don't you get < 1412652060 62156 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am askign what code does it go and excute. < 1412652066 428999 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cause you only write code in 2d < 1412652072 637405 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the code above, presumably < 1412652078 111343 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ said you specify that with some ^L thing < 1412652091 962205 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise i guess it's whatever's in fungeland by default, which is probably nops? < 1412652096 349314 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quadium.net spec is out of date < 1412652111 984632 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a 3d text editor. :P < 1412652112 975750 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use https://github.com/catseye/Funge-98/blob/master/doc/funge98.markdown < 1412652124 386494 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's an example of using ^L? < 1412652124 630291 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :your text editor is weak < 1412652125 718139 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I don't get the confusion < 1412652128 877888 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IP starts at (0,0,0) < 1412652131 499483 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you write < 1412652132 344195 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc < 1412652132 871213 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :def < 1412652135 507050 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^L < 1412652138 132448 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghi < 1412652140 563148 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jkl < 1412652143 80470 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the IP starts at a < 1412652145 551267 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e is at (1,1,0) < 1412652148 48885 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :g is at (0,0,1) < 1412652151 6494 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internal links are broken on the github, fuckin a < 1412652151 842371 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :l is at (2,2,1) < 1412652157 931375 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iirc) < 1412652166 828833 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Trefunge-98, the Form Feed (12) character increments the z coordinate and resets the x and y coordinates to zero." < 1412652171 672092 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you might need to omit the newlines around the ^L there. < 1412652187 164624 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this is just about interpreting source files; the ^Ls don't exist in fungespace or anything. < 1412652195 978420 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like the newlines don't, for 2d funge < 1412652223 101829 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what this lahey space thing is talking about < 1412652234 528004 :mahem1!~argon@199.172.242.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. Pretty crazy stuff. Lemme try.. < 1412652245 858047 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: it's just talking about how wrapping works. < 1412652261 414056 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: since the space is infinite, but if you have e.g. "foobar" then it runs f, o, o, ..., a, r, f, o, o, ... < 1412652271 289654 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than running f, o, o, b, a, r and then running spaces (which just get skipped) forever < 1412652313 213842 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can think of it as just being a finite wrapping space that expands as you place stuff outside the boundaries < 1412652318 504768 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't quite specify all the behaviour. < 1412652332 617087 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lahey space is just the overly-fancy "mathematical" model of the space being used. < 1412652339 961147 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course. < 1412652347 343860 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand how this is distinct from a torus i admit < 1412652371 514735 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe for weird deltas < 1412652372 846301 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1412652377 889219 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because toruses are finite < 1412652380 871747 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungespace is infinite. < 1412652399 558424 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a fixed, wrapping size, it's both infinitely large and wrapping. < 1412652414 336564 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you wrap you go over an /infinite/ amount of space, conceptually < 1412652415 73974 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a resizeable torus, practically speaking < 1412652430 145829 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but that's not an actual specification of the space. :p < 1412652435 986284 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are edge-cases in terms of how you do that resizing. < 1412652437 51550 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nerds... < 1412652443 832805 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah that makes sense i gues < 1412652451 449730 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that this is relevant in cases like foo"bar < 1412652465 327586 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been reading about strange attractors for hours so everything looks like topological garbage < 1412652469 393711 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that runs f, o, o, and then pushes I think "bar foo" to the stack < 1412652474 254137 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :manifolds... everywhere... < 1412652476 378749 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by which I mean, it pushes those ascii values) < 1412652477 482984 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's pretty cute < 1412652488 522729 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then executes b? < 1412652490 62270 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in stringmode, consecutive spaces get collapsed, like in HTML < 1412652496 842154 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just collapsing aleph_null of them :p < 1412652500 798222 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: *nod* < 1412652503 728166 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet you could write some really horrid programs that way < 1412652516 866648 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i guess befunge is probably good for that in general < 1412652596 934867 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should like... actually write a program. < 1412652745 774145 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does esolang have any that are properly lorentz invariant < 1412652766 130004 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever the words are < 1412652933 21589 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think running a bunch of semiconductors counts as a programming languages < 1412653499 51199 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a38c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1412654069 996782 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You only need two registers for TC, right? what's the instruction set like again < 1412654566 13403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1412655106 256778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to figure out the decks of Pokemon Card GB2 cards only, assuming all random stuff to your benefit and your opponent is cooperating but nobody can concede, how to win with the largest number of cards in your draw pile at the end. < 1412655158 350771 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1412655166 682586 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came up with: Your cards = 1x GAMBLER, 1x any basic pokemon card. Opponents cards = 1x MEOWTH [Lv.14], 3x PORYGON [Lv.12], 2x RATTATA [Lv.9], 1x RECYCLE ENERGY, 4x IMAKUNI?, 1x ITEMFINDER. < 1412655218 447346 :Left_Hand_6969!~roark@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1412655224 275889 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: minsky machine < 1412655246 80307 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Minsky_machine < 1412655287 622878 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"alternate state transition" is basically a jump right < 1412655292 351481 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a while since i've played... the gambler does it? < 1412655298 358510 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1412655309 156906 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :god it must be a pain in the ass to write anything < 1412655324 321197 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: GAMBLER card means: Shuffle all cards from your hand into your draw pile. Toss a coin. If heads, draw eight cards; if tails, draw one card. < 1412655376 710062 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many cards do i have in my hand on average? < 1412655414 44116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You start with seven cards, and then draw one card on the beginning of each turn (if you cannot, you lose). < 1412655447 787801 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait... 8-> and maybe eight back. < 1412655468 967017 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm imagining how to compile from brainfuck and, seriously, pain in the ass < 1412655681 85009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone told me that "while(setjmp(buf));" is like resumable exceptions. Does resumable exceptions have anything to do with the RESUME command in BASIC? I can see some similarity. < 1412655777 698376 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i guess i'm pretty sure that trefunge with only <>^vlh is tc. < 1412655812 420501 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it. < 1412655817 137310 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you ever branch < 1412655846 838417 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use your position in x as reg1, position in y as reg2, and position in z as the ip. the program is fixed so it should be okay < 1412655853 299588 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :branching would be going to wherever in z < 1412655870 364854 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you branch on any of those registers < 1412655908 604849 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you position an h in the appropriate place on the zero of the appropriate axis < 1412655912 991350 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an l or whatever < 1412655947 389692 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only branch to constant instructions, so you know all the branches when you're setting up fungespace, and there's a finite number, so you can space things out appropriately < 1412655989 980743 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... ok. write it up :p < 1412655995 90069 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too tired to analyse. < 1412656003 882734 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds interesting though. < 1412656055 590369 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll just believe minsky that two registers is TC and that'll be that < 1412656092 301863 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412656110 812162 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway there must be some number of dimensions it works for, i don't think discretizing the space ought to make physics totally impossible and obviously with a given number of continuous dimensions you only need to move cos phase fuckin space < 1412656221 309159 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the problem is that actually finding a program written in a minsky machine is like... why would you do that < 1412656334 809192 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a38c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1412656341 481308 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a38c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1412656485 7417 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: there's one linked to from the Etre page < 1412656539 877892 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is! let me see if i can even understand this syntax < 1412656543 304953 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: also, wouldn't it be easier to simulate Collatz functions in trefunge with those commands? < 1412656574 623926 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe but i'm not thinking about that < 1412656599 263488 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought you just wanted to prove that subset TC < 1412656636 299161 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm thinking of this in the context of strange attractors. more proofs the merrier i guess < 1412656738 313344 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. i think reducing it to two dimensions would /not/ be TC, but i can't prove that off the top of my head < 1412656764 26655 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if i said "by the poincare-bendixson theorem" people would just be confused < 1412657190 567635 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the initial condition of fungespace has to be infinitely large, though repetitive. oh well < 1412657269 945440 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i put it on the funge talk page or what < 1412657328 230702 :Left_Hand_6969!~roark@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT : < 1412658164 463775 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1412658347 999153 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh durr the paper i was thinking of is only three dimensional :x < 1412659994 314272 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1412660076 466665 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a recruiter is blatantly targetting me personally, but suggests they want to talk today or tomorrow, is it ok to hold off a bit? I mean, I'm the one in demand < 1412660302 139977 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ask yourself "would a stupid person hold off a bit?" And if the answr is "no" then yes. < 1412660515 547028 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mutters something about reversed stupidity, and also not being smart enough to model a stupid person < 1412660589 72925 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@116.37.228.28 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1412660597 509485 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@116.37.228.28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412660618 399983 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@resnet-v492-wless-gw.net.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1412661119 950067 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40585&oldid=40244 5* 0369.166.47.145 5* (+4051) 10hot singles in fungot's area < 1412661170 332069 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@116.37.228.28 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1412661177 131237 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@resnet-v492-wless-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that thing's quicker than i thought < 1412661472 847943 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@116.37.228.28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412661616 85647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, the recent changes feed? It's very pushy. < 1412661667 238566 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@resnet-v492-wless-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know "somebody" "hypothetically" "named" "monotone" with a similar irc widget that is much slower, is all < 1412661892 107747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's built on the MediaWiki UDP recent changes feed, plus a socat-based shell oneliner to mangle the message into raw IRC and write it to the Unix domain socket that HackEgo accepts extra stuff on. < 1412661918 446117 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@resnet-v492-wless-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other one is, uh, dokuwiki i think. maybe dokuwiki sucks < 1412661940 953344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's based on polling, then. < 1412661949 670241 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@resnet-v492-wless-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1412662417 57706 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :UDP recent changes feed? wtf, who invents such a thing < 1412662448 288182 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@resnet-v492-wless-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who need up to the millisecond updates on my half baked phase constructions at midnight < 1412663078 585221 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-127-43-38.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1412663193 759753 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40586&oldid=40409 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+7212) 10Add tests and interpreters (plus upgrades) < 1412663229 513022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRCFeeds < 1412663295 31951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can do UDP and Redis Pub/Sub, and the message itself can be the above (with IRC color codes and all) or a JSON object. < 1412663361 77309 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@116.37.228.28 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1412663369 443747 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@116.37.228.28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412663887 736382 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.83.205 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1412664014 233460 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION acknowledges self-Finnishness @ mroman_  < 1412665177 273614 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.70.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412665570 2774 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.66.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412665584 365397 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.70.70 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412665594 483930 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.66.254 NICK :AndoDaan < 1412665852 992892 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.66.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1412665881 786624 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1412666076 659874 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.67.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412666099 523381 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.67.235 QUIT :Client Quit < 1412666121 794778 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.67.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412666222 510656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1412666685 313963 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin < 1412666694 909332 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1412666695 205188 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 9h 57m 35s ago: The hackage-story with "corrupt acid-state logs" made me really sceptical of using acid-state in future projects <-- afaiu it wasn't _really_ corrupted, the recovery just didn't know how to ignore the junk at the end of the log from the aborted transaction < 1412666728 669897 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan Can you do backups of acid-state databases? < 1412666729 102077 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1412666901 406901 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1412666917 728829 :shikhin!~shikhin@59.177.207.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412666947 283479 :shikhin!~shikhin@59.177.207.172 NICK :Guest72000 < 1412667010 935364 :Guest72000!~shikhin@59.177.207.172 NICK :shikhout < 1412667040 289124 :shikhout!~shikhin@59.177.207.172 NICK :Guest40212 < 1412667091 23495 :Guest40212!~shikhin@59.177.207.172 NICK :shikherr < 1412667096 10869 :shikherr!~shikhin@59.177.207.172 QUIT :Changing host < 1412667096 188398 :shikherr!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1412667181 154006 :shikherr!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1412668134 331553 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@resnet-v492-wless-gw.net.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1412668579 784622 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.82.44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412668609 720527 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.82.44 PART :#esoteric < 1412668614 13602 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.82.44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412668742 866800 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.67.235 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1412668830 264404 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.82.44 NICK :AndoDaan < 1412669669 47837 :brandonson!~brandonso@d50-98-172-234.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1412669857 724103 :S1!~sheldon@pD9FCABCE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1412670132 835158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1412670171 292112 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1412670212 781519 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:EsoInterpreters14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40587&oldid=40572 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+177) 10Reply. < 1412670362 867805 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1412670483 2400 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-87.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1412670520 962845 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-87.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1412670521 152865 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1412670590 803549 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1412670682 976985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1412670703 488249 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1412670962 402121 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.82.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bring back The Esotric Awards! < 1412671000 412532 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.82.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, The... Essies. < 1412671129 767476 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the what? < 1412671153 775485 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.82.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esoteric_Awards < 1412671168 550915 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.82.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it was star studde < 1412671170 158048 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.82.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1412671294 812299 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1412671316 35632 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.82.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your burlesque would be a sho'win. < 1412671327 353533 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.82.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how to spell expressions. < 1412671417 62424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember talk about the Essies, but nothing about the competitions themselves. < 1412671445 102623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is not known if any entries were submitted. It is likewise not known if a winner was picked." < 1412671458 299302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very appropriate. < 1412671458 477406 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.82.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like that would be the most exciting bit. < 1412671600 675973 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... < 1412671606 916978 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the award ceremony is in finnland < 1412671610 625532 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might participate. < 1412672609 855412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grumble frumble sox FAIL formats: can't open input file `data/adults/test/man/gp/15z8973a.wav': sph: unsupported coding `pcm,embedded-shorten-v2.00' < 1412672631 918685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite see why all these corpora go for the NIST SPHERE + Shorten format. < 1412672654 57272 :brandonson!~brandonso@d50-98-172-234.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/ < 1412672928 394041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1412672997 703751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit a nobel to trondheim < 1412673047 321719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1412673047 720040 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 10h 22m 9s ago: thanks for the irradiation! < 1412673047 897793 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_ asked 1h 45m 18s ago: Can you do backups of acid-state databases? < 1412673145 293868 :brandonson!~SingingBo@d50-98-172-234.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1412673189 268281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman_ They did nightly backups. It was never a matter of losing more than that. But if they had understood in time that it was just a single partially written transaction, they could have restored everything up to that as well. < 1412673189 638633 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1412673282 577410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman_ *up to the last moment, as the system _did_ shut down for safety when it happened. < 1412673282 961635 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1412673674 638968 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how do you do backups of that? < 1412673681 989411 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1412673682 282576 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 8m 12s ago: They did nightly backups. It was never a matter of losing more than that. But if they had understood in time that it was just a single partially written transaction, they could have restored everything up to that as well. < 1412673682 466434 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 6m 39s ago: *up to the last moment, as the system _did_ shut down for safety when it happened. < 1412673710 87002 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to stop the application < 1412673714 74722 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then copy the acid-state folder? < 1412673721 597185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible they do? i don't know. < 1412673723 61770 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then start the application < 1412673737 754694 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... you don't know when acid-state will write to those files < 1412673746 113327 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so copying the files mid-write is probably not a good idea < 1412674001 98953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how this works. ask someone who does. < 1412674048 470082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want the neighbors' dog to die so much. < 1412674070 703873 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1412674099 503351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has this completely eerie ability to start barking the moment i'm trying to concentrate. < 1412674135 710349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then to keep silent enough of the rest of the time that i don't feel i can complain too much. < 1412674150 683617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although today is starting to push it.) < 1412674497 253147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: look at this discussion http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/xs0t2/acidstate_with_yesod/c5p8af7 < 1412674830 410304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1412674831 96293 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ a.out \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ binpipes \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ crunchfuck \ :-D \ dc \ dog \ etc \ factor \ gcccomp \ head \ hej \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ interps \ lib \ moop.txt \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test.c \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1412674840 284068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm gcccomp < 1412674841 621960 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1412674945 264229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat moop.txt < 1412674945 785485 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moop! < 1412674948 544959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Useful. < 1412674972 611981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url binpipes < 1412674972 820631 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/binpipes < 1412674983 674946 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⋖ < 1412674984 263817 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+22D6 LESS-THAN WITH DOT] < 1412674996 482493 :heroux_!sandroco@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1412675013 425317 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1412675020 469350 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1412675025 418170 :heroux___!sandroco@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1412675087 615867 :heroux__!sandroco@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1412675088 216788 :heroux!sandroco@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1412675092 96886 :heroux_!sandroco@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl NICK :heroux < 1412675092 307851 :heroux!sandroco@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl NICK :16WAAR95O < 1412675092 307985 :heroux___!sandroco@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl NICK :7JTAA4WJ5 < 1412675102 189579 :7JTAA4WJ5!sandroco@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl NICK :heroux < 1412675128 946479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that was put there by someone who doesn't understand unixy directories. < 1412675166 981612 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 467 seconds < 1412675205 855107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm binpipes moop.txt < 1412675207 262220 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1412675212 792899 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Or do you expect very expensive haskell developers spend the rest of their lives creating hundreds of customized reports ?" < 1412675213 911403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also not terribly useful over IRC. < 1412675219 18893 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell developers are expensive? < 1412675226 207655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't think so either < 1412675251 829303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: i think that vagif guy may be _ever_ so slightly trolly on occasion. < 1412675257 854927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe always.) < 1412675259 716400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1412675260 34785 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1412675289 123160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url crunchfuck < 1412675289 740332 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/crunchfuck < 1412675311 350736 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: He's not completely wrong though < 1412675320 278569 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think you cheated on hello hello world, 84 looks impossible ;-) < 1412675329 891398 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interfacing with an acid-state database pretty much relies on you writing some export-my-data-service < 1412675334 969162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm crunchfuck < 1412675336 466435 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1412675349 659985 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1412675371 566949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: nope, it's completely non-cheating < 1412675433 168629 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: have you seen my terrible prime solution? using or[] and a prime test that works for numbers up to 340 (as the other two 61 character solutions do) is comparatively sane. < 1412675457 451558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's finished? hadn't checked. < 1412675471 464817 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (mod(2^341-2)341,mod 341 11) < 1412675473 994755 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (0,0) < 1412675516 308447 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other drawback is you can't use acid-state with large databases on low-memory devices < 1412675539 174365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so i may still have the shortest _non_-cheating solution on that? :P < 1412675553 328427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's the longest in the list. < 1412675564 637720 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think so, yes. < 1412675617 486653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I uploaded my long Forth hello-hello-world because nobody else seemed to be doing Forth, seems that's still true. < 1412675658 215920 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this hello world task again, which task is this? < 1412675663 735851 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you give a link? < 1412675682 629120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?hello+hello+world < 1412675696 107714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1412675760 296530 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wasn't that about ternary? how does prime testing come into this/ < 1412675761 738457 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1412675773 558872 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the trick to get a huge amount of points on anagol is to submit an incredibly large program in a language nobody has yet submitted something just short before deadline < 1412675774 870633 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: however: main=mapM print[z+1|z<-[0..252],p(z+2)||p z];p n=all((>0).mod n)[2..n-1] < 1412675776 429972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no that's http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?A045718 < 1412675782 66621 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you submit your real solution just right after the deadline < 1412675821 963766 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :your solution is then compared to the best solution before the deadline (i.e. your incredibly large program) < 1412675828 886819 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: hehe < 1412675830 114359 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and receives points depending on how much shorter it is < 1412675838 297219 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you can get more than 10k points < 1412675845 537812 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and the or[] trick is applicable as well: main=mapM print[z+1|z<-[0..252],or[all((>0).mod n)[2..n-1]|n<-[z+2,z]]] < 1412675859 166262 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try that. I can generate long programs in strange languages for some tasks. < 1412675939 577979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "main=mapM print[z+1|z<-[0..252],p(z+2)||p z];p n=all((>0).mod n)[2..n-1]" < 1412675941 188594 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 72 < 1412675945 564587 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and another character: main=mapM print[z|z<-[1..252],or[all((>0).mod(n+1))[2..n]|n<-[z,z-2]]] < 1412675959 427599 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "main=mapM print[z|z<-[1..252],or[all((>0).mod(n+1))[2..n]|n<-[z,z-2]]]" < 1412675960 761021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 70 < 1412676055 46765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also had a version using or instead of any < 1412676063 182800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the same length, though. < 1412676106 399249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it was using _both_ or and and. < 1412676132 638087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :l=[2..255];main=mapM print[z|z<-1:l,or[and[x*y-z/=s|x<-l,y<-l]|s<-[-1,1]]] < 1412676150 197158 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I submitted the 70 characters one) < 1412676221 128915 :S1!~sheldon@pD9FCABCE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1412676223 852839 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.87.151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412676252 961856 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.82.44 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1412676283 273390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 20-character Burlesque A006520 that runs in 1.1 seconds on my own computer, but is too slow for anagolf. :/ < 1412676371 507365 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1412676415 747446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess this mod(2^y-2)y<1 trick is something well-known for golfing. < 1412676469 998518 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I discovered it myself, but it appears in several publicly visible entries by henkma < 1412676474 269450 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and others) < 1412676475 614122 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1412676482 427137 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you compile with -O3? < 1412676513 506258 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, "discover" is perhaps too strong, since I have read a bit about pseudoprimes before) < 1412676546 478502 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what's ghc's default for -O? < 1412676583 720683 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what trick? < 1412676586 470249 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to github shinh didn't compile it with -O3 < 1412676619 696646 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it's a primality test that works up to 340 < 1412676693 816798 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412676725 950833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1412676763 500773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let p=nubBy(((<1).).mod)[2..] in p < 1412676765 699660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,73,79,83,89,97,101,... < 1412676807 856884 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.87.151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1412676820 236936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 341 < 1412676820 806521 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :341: 11 31 < 1412676825 6046 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1024 1024?*ro)fCL[ runs in 1.7s on my machine < 1412676828 369068 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 101ro{fcL[2==}f[ < 1412676828 660241 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {2 3 5 7 11 13 17 19 23 29 31 37 41 43 47 53 59 61 67 71 73 79 83 89 97 101} < 1412676834 898521 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :on anagol it runs at least 3.5s but then runs out of stack space < 1412677011 740916 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with -O0 on my machine it takes 3.5s to run < 1412677020 176059 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's huge < 1412677028 538144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let p=nubBy(((<1).).mod)[2..]; c=concat$zipWith(\m n->[m+1..n-1])p(tail p) in c < 1412677030 428358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [4,6,8,9,10,12,14,15,16,18,20,21,22,24,25,26,27,28,30,32,33,34,35,36,38,39,4... < 1412677065 939201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: I did what your README.md suggested, so probably. < 1412677073 452287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let p=nubBy(((<1).).mod)[2..]; c=concat$zipWith(\m n->[m+1..n-1])p(tail p); k=2 in find(\y -> mod(k^y-k)y<1)c < 1412677075 309422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 341 < 1412677081 755114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let p=nubBy(((<1).).mod)[2..]; c=concat$zipWith(\m n->[m+1..n-1])p(tail p); k=3 in find(\y -> mod(k^y-k)y<1)c < 1412677083 843875 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 6 < 1412677106 234105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1412677109 982165 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's hard to outperform the 2 < 1412677113 815142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1412677124 488157 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let p=nubBy(((<1).).mod)[2..]; c=concat$zipWith(\m n->[m+1..n-1])p(tail p); k=10103 in find(\y -> mod(k^y-k)y<1)c < 1412677126 278641 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 561 < 1412677142 884796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's the shortest for its performance, then < 1412677149 685231 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1024 1024?*ro{fC++J?*}m[++ is 30s with -O0 and 19s with -O3 :) < 1412677166 845498 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 561 is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmichael_number, so that's the best possible. < 1412677177 875016 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412677219 513051 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for this Fermat style primality test) < 1412677229 938318 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, that's a nice trick, though I think in some languages a slow trial division test might be shorter. < 1412677234 950856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1412677273 696637 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, there's that crazy regex backreference test that works in perl and some other languages < 1412677309 762072 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like eww but for such small numbers it should work, and you might be able to embed the plus minus one into the regex < 1412677313 24021 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1412677325 220477 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=510925 < 1412677364 716346 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :('1' x shift) !~ /^(11+)\1+$/ < 1412677369 434140 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the upper bound for that test? < 1412677499 322111 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :none, it's perfect < 1412677513 305729 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be slow for large numbers though < 1412677592 502455 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a unicode operator? < 1412677660 166256 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1412677668 204859 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the x? < 1412677672 196888 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that a regular x < 1412677682 194791 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the letter < 1412677685 170286 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... does that use base1 numbers? < 1412677688 622633 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or latter, if you like ;-) < 1412677713 46110 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how that code works < 1412677719 869070 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also I don't know ANY perl) < 1412677722 563262 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(11+) <-- match 2 or more 1s. \1+ <- match what the () matched, one or more times < 1412677745 615813 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1412677747 551244 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you match (1+n)(1+m) 1s, where n,m>1 < 1412677755 107664 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a string of 1 of composite length < 1412677777 728698 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but '1' x shift converts to base1? < 1412677782 450737 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and note that the test fails for 0 and 1. < 1412677784 652569 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1412677815 283756 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, 0 and 1 are primes according to that test) < 1412677854 244012 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense < 1412677861 834229 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is kinda a super-prime < 1412677870 328779 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can divide primes by itself and 1 < 1412677881 652314 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can divide 0 only by 1 but not by itself < 1412677896 808548 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's even primier then every other prime < 1412677899 370465 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can divide 0 by any natural number except 0 < 1412677921 672412 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1412677945 296314 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can divide anything by anything < 1412677957 369882 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elephant / tofu < 1412677958 969618 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see < 1412677975 702483 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that ABNF? < 1412677979 846066 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is the maximum of the divisibility relation; 1 is the minimum, and primes are the successors of 1. < 1412677982 490069 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 10 1B! < 1412677982 667668 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ain't nobody got time fo' dat! < 1412677989 78842 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1412677996 191894 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. that doesn't work < 1412678002 666619 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "1"10.* < 1412678002 844156 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"1" "1" "1" "1" "1" "1" "1" "1" "1" "1"} < 1412678008 172119 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq '110.* < 1412678008 349832 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1111111111" < 1412678013 271265 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it try and calculate? < 1412678018 996352 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :puh < 1412678021 496019 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check the code < 1412678027 620922 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: the x is string replication operator < 1412678060 24417 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: yes, base 1 numbers, but as you need only small numbers it should be fine < 1412678067 359770 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'print"ha"x10' < 1412678067 919344 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahahahahahaha < 1412678080 796956 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :digits bs n < 1412678084 433820 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> digits 2 10 < 1412678086 76044 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘digits’ < 1412678086 255055 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1412678086 255207 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘BSC.inits’ (imported from Data.ByteString.Char8), < 1412678086 255297 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘BSLC.inits’ (imported from Data.ByteString.Lazy.Char8), < 1412678086 255383 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘inits’ (imported from Data.List) < 1412678094 477732 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@import Data.Digits < 1412678095 303851 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1412678097 134397 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pf < 1412678108 370724 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for limits, I _think_ on a fast machine it might fail when you go over around 65536, especially on older perls, because the repetition operators of perl regexen used to have some bugs regarding repetitions more than that, < 1412678121 86982 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: technically digits in Data.Digits is broken for base = 1 < 1412678140 508943 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1412678150 711570 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'll probably run out of time before that. < 1412678175 357334 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not my fault B! doesn't work for 1 < 1412678180 633898 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1412678192 469581 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, if any of those bugs remain, p5p will fix those bugs and you will install perl and get faster hardware before you have a chance to finish that statement for such a large number where it fails. < 1412678197 913686 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dinna say nuffin' < 1412678205 824086 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I should add an exception for bs 1 < 1412678209 715567 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it probably won't fail at all, at least under 4G. < 1412678214 991336 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because why not < 1412678218 863442 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the point is, < 1412678229 216611 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 3 intToDigit 1000 "" < 1412678230 735329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1101001" < 1412678242 781360 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 1 intToDigit 1000 "" < 1412678244 488108 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: Numeric.showIntAtBase: applied to unsupported base 1 < 1412678248 121211 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff < 1412678251 64545 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1000 3B! < 1412678251 242617 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1101001" < 1412678252 434985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i remember having to do tricks to get my BCT interpreter in /// under that limit for the slashes.pl interpreter < 1412678255 760769 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the advantage of this regex is that you can encod ethe plus or minus one cheaply: you just prefix two chars to the string and match zero or two chars in the beginning < 1412678265 860451 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ouch < 1412678268 337399 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase -1 intToDigit 1000 "" < 1412678270 139025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num < 1412678270 317371 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ((GHC.Types.Int -> GHC.Types.Char) < 1412678270 317531 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> a0 < 1412678270 317622 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> [GHC.Types.Char] < 1412678270 317710 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> a < 1412678273 520949 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase (-2) intToDigit 1000 "" < 1412678275 115527 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: Numeric.showIntAtBase: applied to unsupported base -2 < 1412678277 758975 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff < 1412678278 346336 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc <<<3o1000p < 1412678278 911608 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1101001 < 1412678280 915608 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm working on a /// interpreter right now. < 1412678292 364313 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 100 2B! < 1412678292 542185 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1100100" < 1412678294 438947 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 100 -2B! < 1412678294 616850 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : That line gave me an error < 1412678297 983123 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1412678306 195024 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1000 primeB! < 1412678306 376780 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: (line 1, column 13): < 1412678313 268956 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I mean, that limit does come up in pracitcal programs, like in matching long double-quoted strings with escapes and stuff, < 1412678320 190750 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still. < 1412678349 762118 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc <<<_3o1000p < 1412678350 243394 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc: output base must be a number greater than 1 \ 1000 < 1412678358 118453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forth : x 3 base ! 1000 . ; x < 1412678358 706738 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1101001 < 1412678362 343395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forth : x 1 base ! 1000 . ; x < 1412678362 869001 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ *OS command line*: \ uncaught exception: Pictured numeric ouput string overflow < 1412678366 105383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1412678389 682951 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :picturesque overlow? < 1412678394 463209 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*overflow < 1412678450 932600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curiously enough, setting base doesn't affect interpreted mode. < 1412678456 834700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forth 3 base ! 1000 . < 1412678457 355340 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000 < 1412678460 957484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: you should test my BCT interpreter on it then :) < 1412678486 529413 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit cycle thingie> < 1412678488 258011 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1412678504 943781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary cyclic tag < 1412678514 314812 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1412678560 37082 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried something like that a month or two ago, it was fun. < 1412678565 862892 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1412678583 480168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: a /// substitution command is essentially just two long //- quoted escaped strings, so that's exactly the use case < 1412678636 922911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: bitwise, canonically < 1412678667 966369 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 146 -3 ./ < 1412678668 144258 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : -49 < 1412678678 330301 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 146.0 -3 ./ < 1412678678 508051 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : -48.666666666666664 < 1412678693 676419 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 146 -3 .% < 1412678693 890617 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1 < 1412678707 102604 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq -3 146 .% < 1412678707 282481 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 143 < 1412678715 694558 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq -3 146 ./ < 1412678715 876890 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1 < 1412678717 261539 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm. ok. < 1412678724 818578 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1412678766 292356 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :("hmm" = "if you say so, but I think 'binary' sounds better, now how the hell do I unlearn that?") < 1412678946 342923 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah, that makes sense < 1412679045 194598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands int-e the saucepan for repeated self-application to head hth ===\__/ < 1412679272 896944 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1412679274 512762 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1412680097 364308 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1412680097 564606 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1412680105 932309 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1412680166 478624 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1412680875 50250 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: REVOLVING CHICKEN < 1412682160 297884 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1000 13B! < 1412682160 475579 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "5bc" < 1412682164 568021 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1000 7B! < 1412682164 745724 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "2626" < 1412682172 163858 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1000 13dg < 1412682172 342086 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {5 11 12} < 1412682181 965020 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1000 13dg++ < 1412682182 142738 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 28 < 1412682333 449363 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412682658 197790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh argh! you can't just add (11)? to the beginning of the regex, because the regex matches composite numbers, not primes < 1412682664 213290 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a few extra characters < 1412683004 61671 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES! < 1412683099 786227 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1412683113 138784 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do command-line switches for perl work on the anagol server? < 1412683150 661568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :236 is a bit long for a golf maybe, but it feels nifty anyway < 1412683211 599699 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -le (1 .1x$_)=~/^(11)?(?!(11+)\2+$)/&&print for 1..252 < 1412683212 75789 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 4 \ 6 \ 8 \ 10 \ 12 \ 14 \ 16 \ 18 \ 20 \ 22 \ 24 \ 28 \ 30 \ 32 \ 36 \ 38 \ 40 \ 42 \ 44 \ 46 \ 48 \ 52 \ 54 \ 58 \ 60 \ 62 \ 66 \ 68 \ 70 \ 72 \ 74 \ 78 \ 80 \ 82 \ 84 \ 88 \ 90 \ 96 \ 98 \ 100 \ 102 \ 104 \ 106 \ 108 \ 110 \ 112 \ 114 \ 126 \ 128 \ 130 \ 132 \ 136 \ 138 \ 140 \ 148 \ 150 \ 152 \ 156 \ 158 \ 162 \ 164 \ 166 \ 168 \ 17 < 1412684815 425763 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1412685054 867597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :234, i realized one of my definitions wasn't actually saving space, despite being used four times < 1412685298 990953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1412685483 803000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :219 < 1412685630 345761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :213 < 1412685717 940545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(those two last came from changing some tuples to lists) < 1412686467 611976 :King2218!793636ef@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.121.54.54.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412686627 211464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+ones < 1412686903 767563 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1412687636 403712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody else seems very interested about count-the-overlap. < 1412687668 539470 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, i did better with pocketses < 1412687700 831334 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no big loss, it's not like i spent a whole morning making it... < 1412687739 417189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's a fancy performance checker too; my too slow 20-byte solution runs in 3.379202s there. < 1412687819 755725 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 20byte? < 1412688002 261692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think maybe there's too much i/o noise in it? at least that takes most of my code. < 1412688020 394135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the A006520, I mean. < 1412688037 906231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a 20-byte overlap thing. < 1412688053 885659 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could! < 1412688059 722702 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of the glory < 1412688064 56050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1412688094 799014 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for giving it a go, oerjan < 1412688105 530384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is it yours? < 1412688113 3627 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i made it too messy < 1412688115 54564 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1412688874 148535 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what overlap? < 1412688996 863550 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1412688999 69354 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :new golf challenge < 1412689416 645639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :211 < 1412689481 303593 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's dedication. < 1412689638 173018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found a way to shorten the outputting < 1412689899 389428 :S1!~sheldon@p4FF93804.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1412689988 741553 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mmkdnosnvizhkbpz JOIN :#esoteric < 1412690128 308044 :brandonson!~SingingBo@d50-98-172-234.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1412690342 942905 :impomatic_!~digital_w@87.113.116.210 PART :#esoteric < 1412690485 498208 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.93.227 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1412690594 708466 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412690949 602101 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1412690956 514872 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1412690966 237763 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v < 1412691770 319716 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1412691918 73211 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you have used just four integers < 1412691925 67912 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the input format or something < 1412691941 277998 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1412692205 618225 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i really should have. < 1412692210 162461 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "ax 1 ay 1 aw 1 ah 1 bx 1 by 1 bw 1 bh 1 cx 1 cy 1 cw 1 ch 1"wd < 1412692210 342639 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"ax" "1" "ay" "1" "aw" "1" "ah" "1" "bx" "1" "by" "1" "bw" "1" "bh" "1" "cx" "1 < 1412692219 37704 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "ax 1 ay 1 aw 1 ah 1 bx 1 by 1 bw 1 bh 1 cx 1 cy 1 cw 1 ch 1"wd:ri < 1412692219 258504 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : That line gave me an error < 1412692225 678848 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "ax 1 ay 1 aw 1 ah 1 bx 1 by 1 bw 1 bh 1 cx 1 cy 1 cw 1 ch 1"wd:an < 1412692225 879767 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"ax" "1" "ay" "1" "aw" "1" "ah" "1" "bx" "1" "by" "1" "bw" "1" "bh" "1" "cx" "1 < 1412692229 425656 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "ax 1 ay 1 aw 1 ah 1 bx 1 by 1 bw 1 bh 1 cx 1 cy 1 cw 1 ch 1"wd:ad < 1412692229 625520 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"1" "1" "1" "1" "1" "1" "1" "1" "1" "1" "1" "1"} < 1412692244 94757 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk i wanted to explain it well. over did the info < 1412692246 628018 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "ax 1 ay 1 aw 1 ah 1 bx 1 by 1 bw 1 bh 1 cx 1 cy 1 cw 1 ch 1"wd:ad)ri4co < 1412692246 829750 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{1 1 1 1} {1 1 1 1} {1 1 1 1}} < 1412692268 710438 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, presentation of the info < 1412692319 576258 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "ax 1 ay 1 aw 1 ah 1 bx 1 by 1 bw 1 bh 1 cx 1 cy 1 cw 1 ch 1"wd:ad)ri4co3CB < 1412692319 763050 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{{1 1 1 1} {1 1 1 1} {1 1 1 1}} {{1 1 1 1} {1 1 1 1} {1 1 1 1}} {{1 1 1 1} {1 1 < 1412692325 52178 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "ax 1 ay 1 aw 1 ah 1 bx 1 by 1 bw 1 bh 1 cx 1 cy 1 cw 1 ch 1"wd:ad)ri4co3cb < 1412692325 229752 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{{1 1 1 1}} {{1 1 1 1}} {{1 1 1 1}} {{1 1 1 1} {1 1 1 1}} {{1 1 1 1} {1 1 1 1}} < 1412692328 544521 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1412692331 424484 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"3cb < 1412692331 624252 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"a" "b" "c" "aa" "ab" "ac" "ba" "bb" "bc" "ca" "cb" "cc" "aaa" "aab" "aac" "aba < 1412692368 881050 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove duplicates and again < 1412692391 92684 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1412692392 922127 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :)NBNB < 1412692397 76762 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"3cb)NBNB < 1412692397 254810 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"a" "b" "c" "ab" "ac" "ba" "bc" "ca" "cb" "abc" "acb" "bac" "bca" "cab" "cba"} < 1412692404 509362 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then only the sorted ones < 1412692407 205869 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"3cb)NBNB:so < 1412692407 412033 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"a" "b" "c" "ab" "ac" "bc" "abc"} < 1412692409 793336 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1412692410 857378 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1412692421 194300 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"3cbso < 1412692421 386203 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1412692423 891397 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"3cb:so < 1412692424 77147 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"a" "b" "c" "aa" "ab" "ac" "bb" "bc" "cc" "aaa" "aab" "aac" "abb" "abc" "acc" " < 1412692436 432646 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"3cb)NBNB:so < 1412692436 612736 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"a" "b" "c" "ab" "ac" "bc" "abc"} < 1412692438 833589 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sucks < 1412692449 587931 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally see now what a drag this part of it is. < 1412692458 758448 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"3CO < 1412692458 943324 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"abc"} < 1412692461 458678 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"3co < 1412692461 651818 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"abc"} < 1412692464 135001 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has nothing to do with the core idea. < 1412692474 59684 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"2co < 1412692474 241244 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"ab" "c"} < 1412692477 292467 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh. next time bettr. < 1412692487 360417 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"su < 1412692487 582954 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"a" "b" "c" "ab" "bc" "abc"} < 1412692489 61716 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1412692490 712165 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1412692500 64297 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1412692513 703448 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"su3.- < 1412692513 901249 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"ab" "bc" "abc"} < 1412692536 480844 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"r@ < 1412692536 669212 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"abc" "bac" "cba" "bca" "cab" "acb"} < 1412692541 120922 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"R@ < 1412692541 298574 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"" "a" "b" "ab" "c" "ac" "bc" "abc"} < 1412692582 390207 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"R@f[ < 1412692582 584676 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (f[) Invalid arguments! < 1412692586 820548 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"3cb{smn!}f[ < 1412692587 13242 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"ab" "ac" "ba" "bc" "ca" "cb" "aab" "aac" "aba" "abb" "abc" "aca" "acb" "acc" " < 1412692599 113463 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"3cb{U_}f[ < 1412692599 312492 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"a" "b" "c" "ab" "ac" "ba" "bc" "ca" "cb" "abc" "acb" "bac" "bca" "cab" "cba"} < 1412692603 803287 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1412692617 991594 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"3cb{{U_}{so}m&}f[ < 1412692618 195808 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"a" "b" "c" "ab" "ac" "bc" "abc"} < 1412692621 490223 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada < 1412692636 676157 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's just su I guess < 1412692643 275885 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so su == 3cb{.... < 1412692663 909047 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1412692668 313150 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :su is "all substrings" < 1412692671 648045 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "AndoDaan"su < 1412692671 846364 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"A" "D" "a" "d" "n" "o" "An" "Da" "aa" "an" "do" "nd" "oD" "And" "Daa" "aan" "d < 1412692685 510484 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "cold"su < 1412692685 688298 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"c" "d" "l" "o" "co" "ld" "ol" "col" "old" "cold"} < 1412692708 95677 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, a burlesque command that finds the products as it were of single commands < 1412692715 122017 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what products? < 1412692738 762271 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres < 1412692740 485081 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like just now with su < 1412692741 334032 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"Jcp < 1412692741 522260 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"aa" "ab" "ac" "ba" "bb" "bc" "ca" "cb" "cc"} < 1412692753 706372 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"Jcp:U_ < 1412692753 898723 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"ab" "ac" "ba" "bc" "ca" "cb"} < 1412692763 254586 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- that's good for matches < 1412692766 400009 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or tournaments < 1412692767 175407 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1412692779 378290 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {"Manchester" "Bayern" "Berlin"}Jcp:U_ < 1412692779 570595 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{"Manchester" "Bayern"} {"Manchester" "Berlin"} {"Bayern" "Manchester"} {"Bayer < 1412692789 339802 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gives you the list of all matches these teams have to play < 1412692811 77934 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(including rematches) < 1412692818 237499 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise use < 1412692827 554561 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"Jcp:U_:so < 1412692827 756943 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"ab" "ac" "bc"} < 1412692831 240143 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1412692831 827101 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1412692835 350085 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"Jcp:U_ < 1412692835 527926 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"ab" "ac" "ba" "bc" "ca" "cb"} < 1412692851 165131 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"Jcp:U_:so < 1412692851 360127 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"ab" "ac" "bc"} < 1412692854 200750 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1412692858 65215 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a vs b. a vs c. b vs c < 1412692863 954519 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone has played with everybody < 1412692870 816263 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abcd"Jcp:U_:so < 1412692870 994345 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"ab" "ac" "ad" "bc" "bd" "cd"} < 1412692899 964610 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now append random scores to each < 1412692907 196877 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :to each match? < 1412692909 368142 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then... who needs a tv anyway < 1412692909 616950 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem < 1412692932 526522 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 0 0 52co"abcd"Jcp:U_:soz[ < 1412692932 704445 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{0 "ab"}} < 1412692933 710570 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on 'b'! that's my team < 1412692938 229620 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1412692939 28462 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1412692945 610532 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 0 0 5rn2co"abcd"Jcp:U_:soz[ < 1412692945 831431 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{{5 5} "ab"} {{3 0} "ac"} {{4 1} "ad"} {{3 1} "bc"} {{1 0} "bd"} {{5 4} "cd"}} < 1412692946 998352 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1412692947 701545 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1412692968 67285 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b draws or wins < 1412692970 726584 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job b < 1412692977 805526 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gues know you want to know the winner of this < 1412692981 137579 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could be tricky < 1412693001 609972 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 0 0 5rn2co"abcd"Jcp:U_:soz[)z[ < 1412693001 841679 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {ERROR: Burlesque: (z[) Invalid arguments! {{5 5} "ab"} ERROR: Burlesque: (z[) I < 1412693009 390024 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 0 0 5rn2co"abcd"Jcp:U_:soz[{p^z[}m[ < 1412693009 581333 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{{'a 5} {'b 5}} {{'a 3} {'c 0}} {{'a 4} {'d 1}} {{'b 3} {'c 1}} {{'b 1} {'d 0}} < 1412693038 219888 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 0 0 5rn2co"abcd"Jcp:U_:soz[{p^}m[ < 1412693038 420876 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{5 5} "ab" {3 0} "ac" {4 1} "ad" {3 1} "bc" {1 0} "bd" {5 4} "cd"} < 1412693048 219472 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 0 0 5rn2co"abcd"Jcp:U_:soz[{p^>]}m[ < 1412693048 397703 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {5 "ab" 3 "ac" 4 "ad" 3 "bc" 1 "bd" 5 "cd"} < 1412693057 759317 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 0 0 5rn2co"abcd"Jcp:U_:soz[{p^J>]Fi}m[ < 1412693057 950034 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {0 "ab" 0 "ac" 0 "ad" 0 "bc" 0 "bd" 0 "cd"} < 1412693070 320153 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 0 0 5rn2co"abcd"Jcp:U_:soz[{p^J>]Fi!!}m[ < 1412693070 508041 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {'a 'a 'a 'b 'b 'c} < 1412693073 465451 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 0 0 5rn2co"abcd"Jcp:U_:soz[{p^J>]Fi!!}m[f: < 1412693073 668207 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{3 'a} {2 'b} {1 'c}} < 1412693078 481100 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1412693089 164300 :King2218!793636ef@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.121.54.54.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what's happening here? < 1412693097 987324 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a won three times, b won two times and c won 1 time < 1412693113 69865 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :draws aren't counted < 1412693117 537728 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1412693122 474515 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case of a draw somebody wins < 1412693124 129889 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1412693133 72744 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true eough. < 1412693136 947487 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1412693148 179309 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one who plays in his home stadion wins in case of a draw < 1412693156 998681 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 10 0 5rn2co"abcd"Jcp:U_:soz[{p^J>]Fi!!}m[f: < 1412693157 176490 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{3 'a} {2 'b} {1 'c}} < 1412693163 253567 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1412693168 908451 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 120 0 5rn2co"abcd"Jcp:U_:soz[{p^J>]Fi!!}m[f: < 1412693169 112509 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{3 'a} {1 'd} {1 'c} {1 'b}} < 1412693180 274282 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1412693185 4899 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1412693187 582552 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :now d won one time < 1412693193 106017 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1412693208 430233 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :King2218: Scoring in Burlesque < 1412693222 389434 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the algorithm there? < 1412693242 912004 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 0 5rn2co creates random scores < 1412693251 203893 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"abcd"Jcp:U_:so returns a list of matches < 1412693257 658102 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :z[ assigns the random scores to the matches < 1412693271 770254 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :{p^J>]Fi!!}m[ detects the winner of each match < 1412693280 713857 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :f: shows how many team each team won < 1412693287 978883 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*how many times each team won < 1412693295 494290 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1412693309 99248 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 120 0 5rn2co"abcd"Jcp:U_:soz[ < 1412693309 276805 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{{5 5} "ab"} {{0 0} "ac"} {{5 2} "ad"} {{1 4} "bc"} {{5 1} "bd"} {{0 1} "cd"}} < 1412693325 712836 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also scores are 0-5 < 1412693334 151049 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 is the seed < 1412693355 786391 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :piece of cake doing this stuff in Burlesque :P < 1412693387 415144 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 120 0 5rn2co"abcdef"Jcp:U_:soz[ < 1412693387 613769 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{{5 5} "ab"} {{0 0} "ac"} {{5 2} "ad"} {{1 4} "ae"} {{5 1} "af"} {{0 1} "bc"} { < 1412693400 526128 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 120 0 5rn2co"abcdef"Jcp:U_:soz[{p^J>]Fi!!}m[f: < 1412693400 760582 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{4 'a} {3 'd} {3 'c} {2 'e} {2 'b} {1 'f}} < 1412693442 830244 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 120 0 5rn2co"abcdef"Jcp:U_:soz[{p^J>]Fi!!}m[f:[-[- < 1412693443 20062 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{3 'c} {2 'e} {2 'b} {1 'f}} < 1412693446 330950 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 120 0 5rn2co"abcdef"Jcp:U_:soz[{p^J>]Fi!!}m[f:-]-] < 1412693446 532972 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1412693452 31498 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 120 0 5rn2co"abcdef"Jcp:U_:soz[{p^J>]Fi!!}m[f:-][~ < 1412693452 209208 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'a < 1412693460 479273 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that gives you the winner of the tournament < 1412693481 706631 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is always a for some random reason < 1412693489 683742 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 121 0 50rn2co"abcdef"Jcp:U_:soz[{p^J>]Fi!!}m[f:-][~ < 1412693489 881966 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'c < 1412693494 11361 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there we go < 1412693575 686447 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :now with rematches < 1412693580 153737 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 121 0 50rn2co"abcdef"Jcp:U_z[{p^J>]Fi!!}m[f:-][~ < 1412693580 345689 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'c < 1412693596 774768 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate Burlesque :( < 1412693601 180408 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this code is too bloaty < 1412693662 373336 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 121 0 50rn2co"abcdef"cp:U_z[{p^J>]Fi!!}m[f:-][~ < 1412693662 555000 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ain't nobody got time fo' dat! < 1412693667 875946 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that J doing there again? < 1412693684 16537 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"cp:U_:so < 1412693684 563561 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (f[) Invalid arguments! < 1412693693 538800 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"cp:U_ < 1412693693 718578 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (f[) Invalid arguments! < 1412693698 204014 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1412693700 714333 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the cross product < 1412693726 3463 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp:U_ should be Cp or something < 1412693741 642805 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cp:U_:so should be cP < 1412693861 156875 :King2218!793636ef@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.121.54.54.239 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1412694087 891985 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :{p^}m[ is so common it should be a builtin as well < 1412694309 198801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: TIL that it's better to do #S at the end of a program instead of wrapping the thing around ,[...]p^ when it's a no-input-just-output problem that needs a p^ at the end. < 1412694338 499624 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? TIL < 1412694339 82313 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1412694367 624307 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i've been doing that < 1412694380 398759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote piece of cake doing this stuff in Burlesque :P [19 lines later] I hate Burlesque :( < 1412694381 821569 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1223) piece of cake doing this stuff in Burlesque :P [19 lines later] I hate Burlesque :( < 1412694393 943590 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a relief to find somthing to get rid of that damn 21 3 4 < 1412694411 844950 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing anarchy golf does. < 1412694432 984250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn TIL that TIL means Today I Learned < 1412694434 547589 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1412694447 61341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly overly accurate for the wisdom < 1412694615 745005 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might do some retro-projects in the future rather than extending Burlesque < 1412694633 431951 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... writing an emulator, then write an assembler for it, then write a compiler for that assembler < 1412694637 595186 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then write an os for that < 1412694643 883689 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1412694683 247923 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe ask shinh to put the emulator on anagol < 1412694687 783452 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can golf in it . < 1412694694 668121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how any of that is incompatible with burlesque hth < 1412694705 160569 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to mock me? ;) < 1412694724 672261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not (hides `addquote above) < 1412694778 404230 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably as useless as Burlesque doing something like I just said < 1412694806 386711 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since there's nothing useful I can do < 1412694810 418937 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are my options < 1412694995 353286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tap dancing < 1412695012 894097 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1412695268 123485 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Studies Conclude Hands-Free-calling and Apple Siri Distract Drivers < 1412695272 432663 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff < 1412695278 828445 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My studies show farting distracts drivers. < 1412695287 302348 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as much as sneezing but still. < 1412695293 273990 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also distracts the passengers. < 1412695301 564904 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Farting distracts drivers and passengers. < 1412695364 511902 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also insects < 1412695388 531221 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you happen to have a insect-phobia and you're on the highway and a wasp flies over your face < 1412695396 221149 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably really distracting as well. < 1412695447 425878 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :much more if it stings you < 1412695454 445284 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which made be even worse if you're allergic to it < 1412695457 448835 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*might < 1412695479 637964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those wicked wasps < 1412695492 205101 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I get money to make my own distraction studies? < 1412695539 37333 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also who volunteers to get stung in the face by a wasp while driving in a simulator?) < 1412695575 368893 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Car safety is really interesting < 1412695582 226851 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not supposed to drive while being tired < 1412695592 733068 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously even if you're tired you still have to get to work < 1412695606 850656 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your boss frankly doesn't care about car safety then < 1412695625 314611 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're also not supposed to drive while on certain medications < 1412695636 92002 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's just something against a headache < 1412695651 9306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one's ever managed to get through the path for getting money to make distraction studies. < 1412695695 650604 :GeorgeEpicGen!5c0303b2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.3.3.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412695752 537314 :GeorgeEpicGen!5c0303b2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.3.3.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hai < 1412695760 4486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome GeorgeEpicGen < 1412695760 800439 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07GeorgeEpicGen: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09irc.dal.net.) < 1412695775 320982 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1412695779 170997 :GeorgeEpicGen!5c0303b2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.3.3.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@Hackego I just came from there < 1412695779 648558 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1412695791 124329 :GeorgeEpicGen!5c0303b2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.3.3.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I submitted a language I made in 2 days < 1412695868 599028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo is a bot. also accidentally starting lines with symbols is not recommended in this channel. < 1412695899 762516 :GeorgeEpicGen!5c0303b2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.3.3.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, sure < 1412695994 83563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1412696038 220262 :GeorgeEpicGen!5c0303b2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.3.3.178 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1412696093 543576 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412697760 306715 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat98.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1412697957 403732 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412698052 62114 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1412698069 394783 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1412698169 774508 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1412698189 334405 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1412698939 672131 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://phpthegoodparts.tumblr.com/ < 1412699104 413676 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1412699355 54695 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ArrayZ14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40588&oldid=40584 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+89) 10Added categories. Did not add "BF deriv" because it seems quite different < 1412699884 478584 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.135 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1412700316 651795 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/2hpzpu/announcing_needle_asciified_arrow_notation/ was this discused here? < 1412700486 698199 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally actually set up my desk. < 1412700494 566184 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Realised that my DVI cable is too short ;( < 1412700624 879754 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat98.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :make one yourself out of copper < 1412700628 540320 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: yikes < 1412700633 344747 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly arrows aren't very nice < 1412700760 370926 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat98.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hopefully this is a lot clearer." lmao < 1412700769 716269 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/vPWIl4B < 1412700784 612922 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat98.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahaha they reinvented graphical programming, good job < 1412700792 978286 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat98.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever it's called. whatever max/msp is < 1412700847 705712 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, this kind of 2d arrow notation was in the original arrows paper < 1412700852 344277 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat98.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it got to do with arrows though, it's just a buncha compositions < 1412700872 100886 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's desugaring to arrow methods. < 1412700876 567253 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(->) just happens to be an arrow. < 1412700887 400845 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat98.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good stuff < 1412700923 173330 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reddit comments remind me of Funciton < 1412700930 938875 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat98.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, anyway it looks like arrows are from 2000 and max/msp came out in the late eighties. how many DJs know haskell, rough estimate < 1412700967 184 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean max/msp isn't the only graphical programming thing in the unievrse. < 1412700968 954328 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*universe < 1412700977 541659 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat98.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it's the one whose producing company has the coolest name < 1412700999 999163 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat98.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, what, you gonna do LabVIEW? fuck that, no style at all < 1412701018 206254 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat98.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/201104/labview.jpg the future of haskell imo < 1412701027 170907 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: re djs and haskell, http://yaxu.org/ < 1412701031 231082 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat98.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, wait, there's a "pause" in there, i bet that's a side effet < 1412701032 166687 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat98.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ct < 1412701034 593322 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some very very cool haskell-based livecoding music stuff < 1412701054 359841 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :incl. some graphical programming stuff akin to max < 1412701075 358768 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat98.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly it mostly reminds me of sicp < 1412701084 246826 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat98.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some pretty unpleasant experiences with nonlinear circuits D: < 1412701086 671941 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat98.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1412701336 982754 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1412701368 288993 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat98.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412701540 729484 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/2014/press.html < 1412701641 397895 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1412701694 660604 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, so electronics never had blue blinkenlights before the 90s? < 1412701966 423184 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1412702157 369505 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412702161 286983 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude < 1412702176 823551 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Client Quit < 1412702205 426713 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1412702273 2511 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1412702328 326378 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1412702481 781331 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.163.36.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412702520 661317 :brandonson!~SingingBo@d50-98-172-234.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1412702724 221347 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often were LEDs in blinkenlights anyways < 1412703003 649038 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan shood GeorgeEpicGen away < 1412703016 534103 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shooed < 1412703077 469193 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-225.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1412703092 122287 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1412703098 32776 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gotta buy me a finnish book < 1412703106 898138 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this better be worth it < 1412703226 212548 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu < 1412703231 106532 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a book "divorce in finnish" < 1412703232 845910 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1412703234 983846 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a DVD < 1412703482 383621 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright. done < 1412703702 976944 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily I'm rich enough to buy expensive books < 1412703703 766387 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...my university's Scandinavian Society is having a trip to IKEA < 1412703780 182138 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :snort < 1412703811 163206 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ...my university's Scandinavian Society is having a trip to IKEA < 1412703812 540756 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1224) ...my university's Scandinavian Society is having a trip to IKEA < 1412703825 685270 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well, I mean blinkenlights in consumer electronics. < 1412703834 870127 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure, e.g. routers usually use LEDs? < 1412703842 741099 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1412703854 674575 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that you mention it i don't think i've seen a router with blue leds. green and red, orange, but... < 1412703869 459059 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of that is just the conventions of what colors mean though. < 1412703871 881844 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen a router with blue lights. can't say whether it uses LEDs. < 1412703886 771201 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might use blue gnomes. < 1412703901 896365 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep < 1412703915 432922 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.yusu.org/whats-on/event/5593 < 1412703964 913846 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to experience authentic indigineous scandinavian culture < 1412704002 602001 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enjoy the authentic scandinavian food < 1412704010 681993 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most of the members are people from scandinavian countries < 1412704025 505974 :S1!~sheldon@p4FF93804.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1412704043 241775 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I almost ended up in I think the lithuanian society < 1412704045 733016 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no idea how) < 1412704171 472842 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next essies will be held in Finnland < 1412704247 215261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when? < 1412704285 89742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think my VDSL2 box has blue leds. < 1412704288 946710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It's relatively new, though. < 1412704324 804588 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would be down to have a world esoteric languages convention. we all kind of know each other anyway. only probably is we also know that most of us could never travel that far < 1412704327 928241 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*problem < 1412704376 970056 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015 something < 1412704383 316030 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :when's it hot in finnland :D? < 1412704397 316115 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the summer < 1412704443 656147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's 2015, it's semi-likely I won't be in Finland to attend to it. :/ < 1412704471 212305 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the VDSL2 box has green actual status leds, but there's a (useless) blue overall "I'm powered up" rounded-rectangle light. < 1412704486 982418 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1412704779 706675 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... you know me? < 1412705445 62203 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1412705465 935905 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1412705476 630451 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as well as i'd like < 1412705554 509763 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh. I didn't know about this. https://github.com/NICTA/course < 1412705614 163252 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1412705657 291862 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1412705657 469431 :shachaf_!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1412705661 407386 :shachaf_!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NICK :shachaf < 1412705967 937898 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1412706121 850301 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-87.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1412706156 139492 :impomatic_!~digital_w@87.113.116.210 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412706160 11245 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-87.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1412706160 188840 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1412707299 576239 :S1!~sheldon@pD9FCA2A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1412707593 149673 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's useful < 1412707690 622502 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love these sorts of test-driven exercises. The koans are great, for the most part. < 1412708360 407067 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1412708591 869252 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a38c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1412708877 402450 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412709274 925751 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1412709331 879406 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1412709573 451002 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1412710621 877516 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekAFK < 1412710683 641407 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 QUIT :Quit: :qa! < 1412711089 373798 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412711223 782273 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-225.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1412712272 736276 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1412712812 405032 :GeekAFK!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: AdiIRC is updating to v1.9.6 Beta Build (2014/10/07) 32 Bit < 1412712835 448409 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1412713098 80267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS Word experts here? I need to fill a .docx form, and it has these N-cell fields that I can't really use, but if I try to "merge cells", the row height goes completely bizarre and can't be dragged back down. < 1412713337 167745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I did find some sort of table properties -> row height -> "at least" -> "is exactly", which maybe helped. < 1412713370 207267 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412713406 265075 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1412713605 979933 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1412713617 674557 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1412714234 174752 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1412714287 356015 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1412714287 757636 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm a computer nerd that is quite sporty ;) < 1412714306 423936 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ex-climber, ex-ninjitsu and ex-parkour among other things < 1412714922 6023 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1412715956 23223 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1412715981 367563 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and currently living in a mental health institution < 1412716077 994688 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1412716095 448246 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1412716291 622244 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've just ordered some finnish learn materials < 1412716309 641542 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1412716776 601692 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are missionaries in finnland < 1412716777 521010 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth < 1412717348 712348 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, gotta convert them savages < 1412717367 329889 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1412717375 859053 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they must practice some weird kind of nordish cult < 1412717384 840021 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :assumingly with animal sacrificies and what not < 1412717404 149623 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they worship squirrels < 1412717411 561727 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it squirell < 1412717446 839512 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the christian community has to send missionaries to convert them < 1412717470 470325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1412717475 623642 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know squat about finnland to be honest < 1412717486 153905 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I've heard the sun rarely visits the country < 1412717916 563674 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1412717923 249606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 236 is a bit long for a golf maybe so I made a (currently) 427-byte Forth solution < 1412718166 985335 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1412719359 414124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1412719781 904284 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1412720196 975365 :teuchter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-swioptgdnltlgttn JOIN :#esoteric < 1412720303 119948 :choochter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-xkrgllhnfmchvrtc QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1412720715 11815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OKAY < 1412720736 204469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had another idea for shortening it which didn't work. < 1412720795 400432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one annoying thing about it being this long is that it's too awkward to put on just one line, which means i cannot see at a glance whether it actually _is_ shorter. < 1412720865 600677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's 407 now.) < 1412722356 246249 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braingolf < 1412722451 120162 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1412722627 544170 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1412723364 776064 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1412723439 1950 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I think I've figured the ideal set of limitations for a simple computer architecture project < 1412723497 669648 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use 512k of DRAM, 16bits, with a constant memory cycle at about 4mhz (so 8mhz with 2 wait states, 12mhz with 3 wait states etc) < 1412723613 720184 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :input uses the same scheme as the NES and SNES - the keys have a generic parallel to serial chip, and the system sends a "read" pulse (to read the controller state), the 8 or 16 more "shift" pulses (to read each one of the buttons serially). This only requires 2 output lines and 1 input line < 1412723702 599956 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :storage uses SD card flash, which only requires 3 or 4 pins (and has a spi mode which should keep things simple) < 1412723758 589665 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the video output hardware outputs directly to NTSC and is containted on the same chip as the cpu (presumably an FPGA) < 1412723826 515167 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cpu is designed to be efficient with a 16bit memory bus and is a small RISC with 32bit registers but 16bit opcodes (just like superH or ARM thumb), with 16 registers < 1412723855 450534 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it shares DRAM cycles with the video hardware < 1412723873 327461 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRAM refresh is done by the video hardware on HBLANK cycles < 1412723929 896330 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :video hardware also does sound output by reading from sound data in ram during HBLANK cycles (just like the commodore AMIGA) < 1412723968 883241 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is reduced to 1 bit at a high clock rate so that the L and R channels can be output on a single pin (with a capacitor+resistor filter) < 1412724055 326121 :S1!~sheldon@pD9FCA2A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1412724077 515606 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole thing is a main chip (cpu + video hw) with about 48 pins, 512k of slow 16bit DRAM, an SD card, and a controller (which has some kind of button matrix and an couple off the shelf parallel-to-serial chips) < 1412724115 596948 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few analog components (resistor+capacitor filters/DACs) for the left sound channel, right sound channel and NTSC video out < 1412724133 157340 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412724178 601542 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no 3d rendering capacity (not fast enough) < 1412724462 455460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about working of Amiga < 1412724518 175007 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I like the way the Famicom does all of the things < 1412724587 875163 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this is way more amiga < 1412724601 689097 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it has some similarities to SNES too < 1412724712 474961 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly just know the Amiga .MOD music format, although I know Amiga does more; there is video editing software for Amiga too, as I have seen. < 1412724823 44181 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :amiga is actually super influential < 1412724840 604534 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the PC is horrible and is designed against games < 1412724857 191412 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it simply eventually got fast enough to ignore its braindead design < 1412724876 898359 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :remind me to tell you about dna polymerase sometime < 1412724884 571714 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Mac is actually even more horrible and was actually worse than PC < 1412724900 535815 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, horrible enough that they had to reboot it (osx) < 1412724915 444641 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows did that too... < 1412724926 134685 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows has windows 95 < 1412724974 909322 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which did... that pretty much yes < 1412724983 810412 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant NT < 1412724999 827593 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, 95 is like 100 times bigger < 1412725012 752278 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :95 still ran under DOS. < 1412725024 541182 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NT was a completely new kernel; it was huge, architecturally. < 1412725036 132911 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ : yes but it forced everything to 32 bits < 1412725049 514188 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to modern memory management < 1412725064 113803 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and protected mode, paging, real multitasking etc < 1412725082 374970 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NT simply took out the shit they had to keep to keep DOS and windows16 programs working < 1412725094 383888 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, I think 16-bit programs still ran after NT. < 1412725109 389543 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen people run, like, the Windows 1 calculator on XP. < 1412725112 469024 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah but they took out all the craziest dos shit < 1412725115 523919 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes the PC isn't a very good design, especially the new PC designs are pretty bad too. < 1412725118 493685 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is want makes it cleaner < 1412725138 883595 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PC had the 386 which fixed the real design mistakes of the instuction set < 1412725139 868456 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this only strengthens my resolve to compute solely in trefunge < 1412725154 763715 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and windows95 which fixed the horrible DOS crud (eventually) < 1412725171 291911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to like the Nintendo Famicom design. < 1412725173 978708 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, NT is far more comparable to OS X, if that's the analogy gone for here. < 1412725188 756128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is slow, and limited, but still pretty good design compared to much other things. < 1412725200 77973 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of wish i could use the ricoh 2a03 as an example of something < 1412725201 382697 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X maintained the same essential user experience while completely replacing the internals with a new kernel designed for modularity and stability. that's a perfect description of NT < 1412725202 251313 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just so hilarious < 1412725232 959143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, 2A03 is a combination of a 6502 CPU with decimal mode logic cut off, and a APU. < 1412725244 466983 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ : NT runs the same binaries as 96 < 1412725245 634582 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1412725246 950602 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ : NT runs the same binaries as 95 < 1412725263 881696 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :osx doesn't < 1412725282 978200 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. 95 could run older programs, too, and OS X has Carbon, and also ran Classic programs via emulation for a long time < 1412725302 415201 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and Carbon is a direct descendent of the Mac OS Classic APIs) < 1412725311 709676 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they're not literally identical, but OS X is definitely the closest analogue to NT < 1412725322 538594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anyone can make new Famicom CPU/PPU chips by duplicating the mask image? < 1412725349 257919 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : I think it's small enough that they can emulate the cpu from the mask < 1412725362 978505 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ : NT only replaced the internals < 1412725386 226043 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want to learn about OS kernels, where should I start? Learning about Linux, or Windows, or something else < 1412725387 311737 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSX replaced like everything < 1412725388 910383 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lost interest in this arguent five minutes ago. < 1412725391 675604 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*argument < 1412725392 561812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Well, I want to ensure that it works precisely the same, including any obscure things, unofficial instructions, electrical specifics (including having to do with cartridge), etc < 1412725405 829008 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: maybe write a filesystem < 1412725411 325297 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :95 didn't replace /everything/ either, so if you want something completely revolutionary it doesn't fit just as much as NT doesn't. < 1412725421 313298 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to read, not write. < 1412725429 50220 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: writing your own is the best way to learn about them, probably. osdev.org < 1412725430 540334 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo : win32 or linux, or any other similar modern paged memory-time sharing system < 1412725436 729923 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least reading a hobbyist kernel < 1412725445 277143 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want to study linux because it's a gigantic complicated mess < 1412725450 560300 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least minix or something. there's books, even. < 1412725458 372509 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ : yeah but win95 was basically structurally sound < 1412725462 992629 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like practicing things. < 1412725466 300321 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not a monolithic vs. microkernel thing; just a linux being a complex mess thing) < 1412725473 132146 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could have kept it indefinitely < 1412725494 833059 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably would have regretted it (ok they did do ME) but it was tenable, basically < 1412725515 343881 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre-OSX mac os was not tenable < 1412725518 989237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen the diagrams of all calls and stuff in Linux and Windows; Linux is really complicated and Windows is even more really complicatd than Linux. < 1412725528 568307 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it still had memory compaction < 1412725538 63667 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday some people from Garmin were recruiting and i found out they have an os development division of some kind < 1412725548 927899 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah their gpses run a custom OS I think < 1412725551 674930 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bit unexpected given that i only know them from car GPS... < 1412725555 541440 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably based on one of the standard embedded kernels though < 1412725556 569652 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't even have real pointers, you had handles and the OS could move around your memory blocks < 1412725580 376930 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a holdback from the original Mac that had tiny ram and no MMU so they had no choice < 1412725588 263970 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: tbh that's more modern in some sense, considering copying GCs and the like :p < 1412725589 224778 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was still there in mac os9 < 1412725597 687819 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in the implementation in classic mac os of course. but in principle < 1412725603 293428 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, modern is malloc() < 1412725609 464396 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and paging < 1412725620 115452 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and actually OS X does memory compression thanks to virtual memory these days) < 1412725629 997466 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it's transparent < 1412725639 328748 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it uses the paging system to hide it < 1412725666 678080 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, classic mac os has no paging < 1412725732 344871 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it still had a whole bunch of emulated 68000 code for the longest time < 1412725740 139444 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even after the PPC move < 1412725762 833250 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, yeah. it was awful < 1412725776 861436 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was also cooperatively multitasked right until the end, I think < 1412725801 110036 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, that's why they were losing from about when windows 95 was out, until they fixed that mess with OSX < 1412725821 662215 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Unfortunately, they had numerous abortive efforts to switch away from that. < 1412725826 375258 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1412725833 705566 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and OSX is the one that worked < 1412725841 634976 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The world would be kinda interesting if A/UX took off. < 1412725872 26041 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't there some 68000 code in Mac OS to the very end? < 1412725883 662135 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think so < 1412725897 27956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read about the possibility of FPGA that can reprogram itself, as well as the ability to use open-source toolkits with it (and therefore, also not being limited to x86-based computers), by using microbitstream composition; this may also make it easier to even write program for programming FPGA inside of the Famicom itself, maybe. < 1412725927 48209 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : the point of using a famicom architecture would be to run famicom games < 1412725930 956683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You would still need the vendor's tools to generate the microbitstream set for the specific model of FPGA you are using, but after that you can do it in a vendor-independent and open-source way) < 1412725941 399681 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you'd probably want to use something cleaner and easier to write for < 1412725946 345358 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of impressive that apple have weathered two CPU architecture changes and one kernel change < 1412725947 522352 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the GBA or something like that < 1412725955 985085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Well, I just think Famicom is a good architecture and I do write programs for Famicom. < 1412725964 400263 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Course, it was never *not* able to run 68000 code... < 1412725967 351345 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ : it's not just a kernel change, it's basically a different OS... but yeah :D < 1412725971 40724 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and carbon isn't even totally dead yet < 1412725975 586047 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kinda sad in a way that they finally dropped Classic. < 1412725980 95339 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: yeah, but a lot of the APIs carried over < 1412725993 820846 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't totally foreign, to start with. it moved away significantly with cocoa of course. < 1412726001 592990 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ : you could say that about win16 vs win32 < 1412726013 344472 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you can port a very old mac program to carbon that will run today without too many changes if it's simple enough. < 1412726034 832318 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :marathon was totes simple, do tha < 1412726035 750274 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1412726037 820630 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same is true of Win16 code. < 1412726059 683025 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit, if you're running it on x86 you can go and *run* Windows 1 apps. < 1412726059 881818 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, never denied that < 1412726080 479435 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows hasn't gone through two big cpu architecture changes though :p < 1412726082 624977 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ : a win32 program made in 1995 still runs < 1412726088 984008 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a binary < 1412726089 533356 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x86-64 doesn't count) < 1412726095 468448 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: They tried though. :P < 1412726095 665829 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's roller coaster tycoon do < 1412726117 267910 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows NT wasn't developed on the x86, it was ported. < 1412726127 84512 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did they develop it on again? alpha or something? < 1412726131 588165 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced the 68k->ppc change was a good idea < 1412726147 128369 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was some obscure Intel RISC thing. < 1412726155 149271 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was intentional so it'd be portable, right? < 1412726158 98253 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1412726161 612492 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure they intended to deploy it widely on that architceture < 1412726161 810344 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i960? < 1412726186 452621 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: They strongly intended to deploy on not-x86, they just weren't sure what. < 1412726196 797952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can still run many Famicom programs on GBA, though; the program PocketNES will run a lot of them that use only the standard gamepad, at least; programs that require keyboard, light gun, tape, drawing tablet, etc of course won't work, nor will it work if it is an unimplemented mapper. < 1412726202 89091 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all hail itanium < 1412726212 225099 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha itanium < 1412726230 674331 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the one that never got faster than the stupid x86 designs right? :D < 1412726231 771342 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Ah, the i860. < 1412726241 818888 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq : woaa < 1412726279 726786 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the i860 was good... as a lesson < 1412726284 276381 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: x86 designs are pretty advanced :p < 1412726288 36833 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think itanium wasn't as bad as it looked < 1412726295 514006 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that compilers got better and maybe the actual chip got better? < 1412726300 695892 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it still wasn't massively impressive. < 1412726309 526493 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stupid pentium2 has killed so many architectures < 1412726326 372812 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has evolved into the ridiculous behemoth it is now < 1412726379 772297 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, it would be nice if 64-bit killed x86. < 1412726383 603484 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically to be the fastest now you have to do out of order speculative memory access < 1412726391 973472 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately itanium didn't and let x86-64 happen