< 1413417614 990580 :Somelauw!~Somelauw@unaffiliated/somelauw PRIVMSG #esoteric :still i get 10946 on the one above < 1413417926 366277 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1413417944 253438 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1413417997 783288 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1413418038 455355 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: I think I have. There's at least one claiming that Irregular is speaking to the chains that disappeared < 1413418062 645163 :Sorella!~queen@191.185.194.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413418071 401033 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: are you an Evillious Chronicles fan, or speaking about translations in general? < 1413418082 209712 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Translations in general < 1413418110 775863 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may also be possible that I don't know which trasnslation is more accurate at a given portion < 1413418113 169606 :Sorella!~queen@191.185.194.30 QUIT :Changing host < 1413418113 323053 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1413418139 681409 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :translations are evil, especially when coming from France. < 1413418154 838716 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm looking at you, you fungotted coworker.) < 1413418154 991948 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's just an infinite loop < 1413418167 106675 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: an infinite loop of linguistic suffering. < 1413418167 360898 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: how do you read .texi files? ( e.g. in ruby you can do certain things < 1413418496 691898 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1413418523 212347 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.91.238 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413418592 656311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :les translations sont maliceux, especialment quand ils viennent de France < 1413418676 576894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i may have got some of the words right. < 1413418746 45225 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good. < 1413418760 177805 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :les traductions sont malicieuses, spécialement quand elles viennent de France. < 1413418849 882204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can french _not_ put an e in front of sp < 1413418886 779920 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because parce que. < 1413418889 689079 :Somelauw!~Somelauw@unaffiliated/somelauw PRIVMSG #esoteric :because spanish already does that < 1413418928 992664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it should ideally be êpécialement < 1413418934 574982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1413418992 552019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait hm < 1413419000 220010 :Somelauw!~Somelauw@unaffiliated/somelauw PRIVMSG #esoteric :archjan < 1413419018 767061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1413419019 977600 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :êpécialement :D I love it. < 1413419086 850461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i was remembering école, but it _doesn't_ seem to use a circumflex. oh well. < 1413419092 928852 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1413419114 786984 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not in that case. < 1413419560 674799 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: "Boy's crimes are getting old." "You're far from me forever." "It left from this room" < 1413419583 422484 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's from a translation that, other than that, seems to be much more focused on sounding good in English than anything resembling accuracy < 1413419629 281607 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNWAIJk2pEE < 1413419637 65910 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1413419648 375058 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "lu li la/ru ri ra" into "lapis lazuli" < 1413419678 847330 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lu li la is a significant song throughout the serieses) < 1413419693 178255 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there has to be a better word than serieses. serii? < 1413419714 718246 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"series" < 1413419717 294233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically series _is_ the plural. < 1413419731 323602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and singular.) < 1413419745 189998 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one series in the series that all the songs have lu li la. < 1413419800 417619 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3cZbQaqYN4 < 1413419804 928662 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the worst translations I've seen < 1413419831 530359 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's not that your sins aren't tolerated"... utter opposite of the other translation which I trust more < 1413419883 975421 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: in terms of sounding like bad English or in terms of inaccuracy or both? The Evillious stuff seems to be one or the other < 1413419893 663576 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both. < 1413420152 240244 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, not understanding 何度 at one point < 1413420175 76955 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand that either. But I don't attempt to translate Japanese. < 1413420180 790319 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And translating something closer to "How many times will I choke myself in tears, holding your dead body at the world's end" into "At the world's end, who will hold your dead body? I choke myself in tears" < 1413420220 457475 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1413420271 266656 :Somelauw!~Somelauw@unaffiliated/somelauw QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2 < 1413420289 469974 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the line "指し鍋られた手が" to "Our shining relationship in hand" (wat) when it's "Your outstretched hand..." (just the subject of a sentence < 1413420325 116816 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I knew how to tell good translations from bad < 1413420385 338340 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For re_birthday I've been trusting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zpl1uMEWM_g but is the word at 0:50 really Clockwork? Doesn't... quite make sense, except I guess it is part of Clockwork Lullaby series < 1413420391 174386 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Japanese isn't all that good, but... I'm pretty sure a lot of people doing translations are even worse. < 1413420468 450268 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so? I hear "a big hole" < 1413420486 774371 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's vocabulary I can't understand off the top of my head in the next line, so. < 1413420498 446619 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Translation says it's a few seconds before the Clockwork line < 1413420557 930346 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.. < 1413420563 367380 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :鍋? isn't that a food (afaik)? < 1413420571 699673 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there's "ぜんまい", but my dictionary says it's "spring" < 1413420585 590694 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: the translation I don't trust as much says 'spring' < 1413420612 43739 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... approximately 0 actually trustworthy translations? < 1413420624 289987 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :差し伸べられた* < 1413420627 370229 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typo. :D < 1413420635 688431 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1413420636 612303 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1413420652 284631 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Responding to lifthrasiir < 1413420668 814843 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I was wondering if there is some idiomatic use of that word unrelated to the food < 1413420694 158549 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know that kanji. ^.^ < 1413420700 344634 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :My vocabulary's pretty spotty as far as everyday words go. < 1413420716 769313 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: at 3:51 and beyond, are the chains talking to him, or is he talking to the chains? < 1413420731 798410 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter makes no sense to me given the context < 1413420778 802881 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :To him < 1413420798 400370 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cfmvihuzvqfkgsmh JOIN :#esoteric < 1413420822 434495 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, good. So both main translations I know of are wrong *sigh* < 1413420856 409010 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In different ways < 1413420909 337178 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The vocaloid wiki has links to good translations < 1413420943 53433 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well. < 1413420947 27453 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that mysterious kanji, isn't that of the hotpot kind? < 1413420948 256999 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :To good translators < 1413420950 911143 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember a page like that < 1413420951 803950 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes. < 1413420981 177365 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it'd be best to trust lifthrasiir better than me a little. Iunno. :P < 1413420999 306595 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew it. delicious kanji are easy to remember ^^ < 1413421023 92532 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: afaik, lifthrasiir lives closer to kanjiform countries than you. < 1413421042 126001 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my Japanese knowledge is limited to the intuitive understanding of words, idioms and syntaxes close to my native tongue and nothing else :p < 1413421086 165275 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows. some linguists are bold enough to suggest a koreano-japonic link between the two language families. < 1413421086 550057 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so to say, at least I do know whether the machine translation "seems" correct or not < 1413421102 712899 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, my parents are both Chinese < 1413421107 477074 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can speak Chinese, but. < 1413421110 714495 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Magic Mouse is able to right-click. < 1413421110 931454 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... < 1413421117 907449 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was not aware of that until recently < 1413421118 60855 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand written Japanese better than written Chinese. < 1413421135 577761 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is to say, I can understand some written Japanese, and even the most basic written Chinese is beyond me. < 1413421136 46882 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1413421260 950089 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I thought the general "accepted" consensus was that it isn't too unlikely that Korean and Japanese are in the same family? < 1413421338 539421 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, in altaic? < 1413421360 536919 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :More specific than Altaic. < 1413421424 749621 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK the Mac version of Docking Station sucks :( < 1413421456 750870 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: «“"accepted"”». < 1413421472 296324 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm confused. < 1413421472 779290 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1413421538 323684 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, confusion reigns supreme around these here parts too. < 1413422707 992916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: god fnatt < 1413424062 850477 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: NORWEGIAN CHICKEN < 1413424759 16232 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1413425879 636879 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.91.238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1413425879 790238 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1413426167 880082 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.91.238 QUIT : < 1413426428 788143 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.91.238 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413428769 129909 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (()) < 1413428772 452915 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (())P < 1413428772 606124 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn! < 1413428774 77022 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (())$ < 1413428774 230772 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn! < 1413428793 640036 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (())S < 1413428793 793515 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :() < 1413428817 5155 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (::^)::^ < 1413428817 416289 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much stack! < 1413428844 591909 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(~a~:^)~a~:^ < 1413428863 379827 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (hi?)S < 1413428867 963040 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I broke it. :D < 1413428888 705917 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1413428888 859217 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi? < 1413428898 57353 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.91.238 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1413428900 364293 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost. < 1413428931 47734 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (trololol)(~a:*~:^)~a:*~:^ < 1413428931 211285 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much stack! < 1413428940 654310 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (trololol)(~:*~:^)~:*~:^ < 1413428940 822323 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much stack! < 1413428954 47538 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (trololol)(~a~:^)~a~:^ < 1413428998 264967 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1413429014 540929 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-liqbmxqwrbkszeht JOIN :#esoteric < 1413429055 52111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what're you trying to do? < 1413429079 871120 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Break it < 1413429080 913222 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(~a:S~:^)~a:S~:^ < 1413429081 66817 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :()(())((()))(((())))((((()))))(((((())))))((((((()))))))(((((((())))))))((((((((()))))))))(((((((((())))))))))((((((((((()))))))))))(((((((((((())))))))))))((((((((((((()))))))))))))(((((((((((((())))))))))))))((((((((((((((()))))))))))))))(((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))((((((((((((((((()))))))))))))))))(((((((((((((((((( ...too much output! < 1413429133 512622 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(~a:~:^)~a~:^ < 1413429199 568439 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot breaker: ()(~a:~:^):^ < 1413429199 721883 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: and yes, i'm looking for < 1413429209 256434 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (You're not broken? D:)S < 1413429209 409781 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not broken? D: < 1413429216 945431 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(~a:~:^):^ < 1413429218 135259 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Break! < 1413429219 398788 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (You're not broken? D:)S < 1413429219 552257 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not broken? D: < 1413429222 763075 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curses. < 1413429228 223139 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... because right < 1413429292 618111 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(~:*a~:^):^ < 1413429292 810410 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much stack! < 1413429318 593433 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(~:!a~:^):^ < 1413429351 190161 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1413429443 496329 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(~aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa~:^):^ < 1413429547 166870 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much stack! < 1413429592 857952 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cursed bot refuses to die! < 1413429593 464372 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1413429635 948452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it limits the only two variables you can control (size and time). < 1413429672 972032 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two minute execution times is near death though < 1413429681 509303 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(~aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa~:^):^ < 1413429769 147094 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :diggin the smilies < 1413429777 569810 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much stack! < 1413429843 948505 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(~aaaa~:^):^ < 1413429975 950173 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1413429989 529724 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(~aaaaaa~:^):^ < 1413429998 721189 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like constant optimizing BF Joust programs! < 1413430001 418060 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except meaner < 1413430118 764923 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much stack! < 1413431403 647999 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.84.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413431667 310859 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(~a^~:^):^ < 1413431667 880144 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1413431681 547635 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(~aa^aa^aa^aa^aa^aa^aa^aa^~:^):^ < 1413431828 256396 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (... did I fail?)S < 1413431841 396001 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1413431841 595527 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... did I fail? < 1413431857 119709 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(~aaa^aaa^aaa^aaa^aaa^aaa^aaa^aaa^~:^):^ < 1413432076 870406 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (... did I fail?)S < 1413432091 634089 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1413432091 787359 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... did I fail? < 1413432097 416063 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 minutes < 1413432100 520460 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ping timeout is 5 minutes < 1413432116 748858 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(~aaaa^aaaa^aaaa^aaaa^aaaa^aaaa^aaaa^aaaa^~:^):^ < 1413432342 620991 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1413432356 843863 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Success! < 1413432358 405536 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot ded < 1413432478 607929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you'll get an award. < 1413433121 29678 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot killing is fun. < 1413433189 891946 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: everyone loves to kill bots. < 1413433203 295932 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :killing bots? anyway < 1413433283 685892 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember someone broke the Python sandbox in some bot (originally intended as a heavyweight calculator) by splicing function bytecodes < 1413433297 748263 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was quite fun < 1413433360 954574 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did that in two seperate bots, both with basically the same approach < 1413433368 1695 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.__class__.__class__.mro() < 1413433374 304396 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then going to town once I got that. < 1413433380 893106 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah bot ping-pong. quines are also fun. < 1413433491 781591 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : !roll None.__class__.__mro__[-1].__subclasses__()[67]("test")() < 1413433491 969349 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Marvin has quit (Remote host closed the connection) < 1413433493 410377 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here we go < 1413433495 578837 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bot deding < 1413433514 260421 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, __subclasses__() is handy < 1413433527 444017 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :[67] is quitter < 1413433530 517133 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1413433586 517379 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/hftnp/ask_rpython_recovering_cleared_globals/ < 1413433795 2786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to sandbox python just from inside python is kind of futile < 1413433830 300290 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a custom build of Python without file < 1413433845 501074 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sit back and watch standard libraries being broken < 1413433993 707017 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.84.79 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1413436085 212836 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.67.44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413436360 517989 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1413436844 266329 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.67.44 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1413436955 469579 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.72.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413437090 553276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thanks." < 1413437127 43517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The ^ul DOS is a known issue.) < 1413437151 488449 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Realistically, anyone who is serious about PC gaming will be rebooting via Boot Camp, not trying to play in a virtualizer. But if you must play in your virtual OS, Parallels does a better job of it." < 1413437159 504690 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, darn. I hate dual booting < 1413437221 179129 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1413438052 698432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The time limit is in terms of underload operations, and the stack limit is big enough for that to be an issue.) < 1413438159 478261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you really need to run fungot in a loop. :p < 1413438159 714863 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if i have sum an integer and a " return" that value. in fact, did. < 1413438214 564072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Won't help until it learns how to autojoin channels, too. < 1413438644 957215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just set up a client script to tell it to join here every minute, clearly < 1413439456 371354 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1413439531 376815 :exile-bot-52!~exile-bot@27.96.106.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413439554 356535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stares suspiciously at exile-bot-52 < 1413439708 356816 :exile-bot-52!~exile-bot@27.96.106.134 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1413440811 600335 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1413440826 288891 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1413440993 132876 :brandonson!~SingingBo@d50-98-172-234.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1413441382 460424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You stared it right off the channel. < 1413441656 615597 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.72.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :These two categories: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Turing_tarpits & http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Turning_tarpits are about the same thing, right? < 1413441696 720412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1413441698 561121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note the n :) < 1413441707 634543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter is a pun < 1413441779 657955 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.72.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit. < 1413441810 705443 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.72.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have seen that. < 1413441833 570495 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.72.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turning tarpits use wheel thingies? < 1413441873 372611 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.72.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm, followed the links. < 1413441908 266200 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1413442053 349689 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.78.43 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413442150 493457 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.72.102 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1413442159 90016 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.78.43 NICK :AndoDaan < 1413442619 471114 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.78.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This ancient comment happened due to confusing the term Turing tarpit and Turning tarpit, with the latter term originally created as a joke on a misspelling of the former. Both terms find use among esolang enthusiasts. --Ørjan (talk) 02:30, 27 June 2014 (UTC)" < 1413442804 211952 :exile-bot-52!~exile-bot@27.96.106.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413442939 44539 :exile-bot-52!~exile-bot@27.96.106.134 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1413443184 327647 :exile-bot-52!~exile-bot@27.96.106.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413443191 573467 :exile-bot-52!~exile-bot@27.96.106.134 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1413443529 372115 :exile-bot-52!~exile-bot@27.96.106.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413443536 383805 :exile-bot-52!~exile-bot@27.96.106.134 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1413443654 441442 :exile-bot-52!~exile-bot@27.96.106.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413443814 556236 :exile-bot-52!~exile-bot@27.96.106.134 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1413443979 988095 :exile-bot-52!~exile-bot@27.96.106.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413443985 528026 :exile-bot-52!~exile-bot@27.96.106.134 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1413444186 178739 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1413444186 553492 NAMES :#esoteric < 1413444191 469694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +b :*!*exile-bot@* > 1413444191 493557 NAMES :#esoteric < 1413444195 524051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1413444195 547273 NAMES :#esoteric < 1413444448 713743 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq_uptime < 1413444448 867609 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :14d 12h 29m 3s < 1413444480 165396 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blqsbot never dies < 1413444484 187424 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there's some network issue :) < 1413444508 939310 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1413444525 245514 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it being written in Haskell it is probably vulnerable to the usual Haskell "Bugs" < 1413444592 396246 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle hGetLine < 1413444594 176375 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.IO hGetLine :: Handle -> IO String < 1413444594 336271 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.IO.Handle hGetLine :: Handle -> IO String < 1413444594 336427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.ByteString hGetLine :: Handle -> IO ByteString < 1413444635 278115 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hGetLine can probably die with "invalid byte sequence" I guess < 1413444663 26339 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you manage to say something in this channel that will trigger an invalid byte squence due to the String de/encoding haskell does < 1413444666 184917 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might crash blsqbot < 1413444716 151589 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.78.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do invalid byte sequences happen? < 1413444760 529582 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: Haskell internally uses unicode for Strings < 1413444815 81690 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that for example readFile "foo.txt" will decode foo.txt to the internal representation < 1413444855 706604 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.78.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and each unicode character(?) has to have a well defined length? < 1413444898 876376 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just know that if your system locale is for example isoxxx < 1413444910 335484 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then haskell will decode the isoxxx to unicode < 1413444922 86925 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you print something it will convert to isoxxx and then print < 1413444940 210500 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but certain byte sequences are illegal in certain encodings < 1413444950 529700 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case haskell errors out < 1413444955 526882 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or ghc) < 1413444976 492202 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 255L[ < 1413444976 832208 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ' < 1413445002 331103 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hi "255L[.+ < 1413445002 481279 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hi \255" < 1413445014 171400 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hi "255L[.+wd < 1413445014 320834 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"hi" "\255"} < 1413445018 269224 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hi "255L[.+wdQ < 1413445018 418535 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["hi", "\255"] < 1413445022 20885 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hi "255L[.+wd)Q < 1413445022 170109 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {hi } < 1413445051 11711 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1413445076 142773 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 255rz)L[)Q < 1413445076 293339 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : { < 1413445080 930322 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1413445083 445113 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz < 1413445154 764955 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 255rz)rz)rz < 1413445155 19387 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ain't nobody got time fo' dat! < 1413445157 836376 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 255rz)rz < 1413445157 985576 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ain't nobody got time fo' dat! < 1413445164 60799 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 255rz)rzL[ < 1413445164 210428 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 256 < 1413445178 918495 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 255rz)rzL[rz)rzL[ < 1413445179 68142 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 257 < 1413445187 520898 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.78.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq PP < 1413445187 670069 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : That line gave me an error < 1413445237 530603 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq cy < 1413445237 718320 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (cy) Invalid arguments! < 1413445243 538819 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq ""cy < 1413445244 52133 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : That line gave me an error < 1413445257 549647 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.78.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq ''cy < 1413445257 698871 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (cy) Invalid arguments! < 1413445269 866853 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.78.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "'"cy < 1413445270 16089 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ain't nobody got time fo' dat! < 1413445282 294240 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.78.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "'"cy5.+ < 1413445282 443524 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "'''''" < 1413445284 996600 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq ""cy10.+ < 1413445285 145945 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : That line gave me an error < 1413445287 662483 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1413445296 304321 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. "" is an empty list < 1413445299 553675 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {}cy < 1413445299 702927 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : That line gave me an error < 1413445313 553944 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {1}cycycycycycycy1.+ < 1413445313 703244 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {1} < 1413445319 550553 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.78.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq ""L[ < 1413445319 700276 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1413445321 262661 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cycleception < 1413445323 945134 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.78.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq ""es < 1413445324 94514 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "" < 1413445336 884891 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.78.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {}es < 1413445337 74188 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "" < 1413445346 744031 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.78.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq '"es < 1413445346 893323 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : '" < 1413445359 990566 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: Burlesque does some "type guessing" when it comes to blocks < 1413445362 644906 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1413445364 350827 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm < 1413445382 18305 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hi there"{<-}m[ < 1413445382 167658 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "HI THERE" < 1413445391 883863 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hi there"{<-9}m[ < 1413445392 33239 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {ERROR: Burlesque: (_+) Invalid arguments!} < 1413445415 527323 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hi there"{}m[ < 1413445415 676651 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hi there" < 1413445421 949270 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {'h 'i}{}m[ < 1413445422 139574 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {'h 'i} < 1413445427 776660 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {"h" 'i}{}m[ < 1413445427 926043 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"h" 'i} < 1413445429 950846 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1413445450 281542 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically if you map over a String < 1413445469 420346 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burlesque will try to guess whether you wan't a String as a result or a Block as a result < 1413445481 648159 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hi there"{<-9}m[ < 1413445481 834761 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {ERROR: Burlesque: (_+) Invalid arguments!} < 1413445484 563069 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hi there"XX{<-9}m[ < 1413445484 712364 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {9 'H 9 'I 9 ' 9 'T 9 'H 9 'E 9 'R 9 'E} < 1413445500 192219 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hi there"{**}m[ < 1413445500 341514 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {104 105 32 116 104 101 114 101} < 1413445548 317582 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1413445551 985616 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {1 2 3 4}\[ < 1413445552 134969 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {1 2 3 4} < 1413445557 617619 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {'a 'b 'c}\[ < 1413445557 796190 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "abc" < 1413445559 15008 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1413445585 798109 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Special case for empty block (BlsqBlock [] : xs) -> do putResult $ BlsqBlock [] : xs -- Special case for single char blocks (BlsqBlock [BlsqChar a] : xs) -> do putResult $ BlsqStr [a] : xs < 1413445607 453856 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :concat has some type hacking :) < 1413445635 242455 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {1 2 3 4}{_+}l[ < 1413445635 430327 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Unknown command: (l[)! < 1413445637 381619 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {1 2 3 4}{_+}r[ < 1413445637 530836 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {1 2 3 4} < 1413445647 708857 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {'a 'b 'c}{_+}r[ < 1413445647 858210 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "abc" < 1413445652 722166 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently middle-clicking on a Magic Mouse requires third-party software < 1413445665 305655 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {1}\[ < 1413445665 454934 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {1} < 1413445669 175330 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {'a}\[ < 1413445669 324611 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "a" < 1413445670 716906 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1413445721 109574 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {'a}{_+}r[ < 1413445721 258832 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'a < 1413445727 836857 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {'a 'b}{_+}r[ < 1413445727 986149 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ab" < 1413445742 779043 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- that's the reason why \[ has that special treatment < 1413445766 130018 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "ab"{'a==}f[ < 1413445766 279313 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "a" < 1413445774 93476 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- back in the old days this would have resulted in 'a < 1413445782 267313 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with the hack in the new days it results in "a" < 1413446149 713266 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1 2 _+ < 1413446149 906346 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {1 2} < 1413446152 766801 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 'a 'b _+ < 1413446152 920178 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ab" < 1413447561 165687 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/S7AXoSSQ <- Am I the only one who hates this? < 1413447616 689777 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's useful on an API boundery, where you need to do a lot of checks on a lot of functions < 1413447621 329834 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like ensureListCapacity < 1413447747 722784 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1413447816 321386 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda whish there was a System that would give you the Exceptions < 1413447821 799802 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also private boolean validate < 1413447843 228079 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you need it boolean-ish < 1413447868 5468 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to do some ugly stuff like boolean ok = false; try { validate(); ok = true; } catch{} < 1413447908 60338 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, boolean doesn't really say much about "what went wrong" < 1413447919 860131 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas Exceptions can do that < 1413447997 544452 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :boolean valid = throws? validate(); < 1413448005 502107 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1413448016 627030 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(throws? being some new keyword/operator) < 1413448117 436588 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I need more Java praticte < 1413448121 8026 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*practice < 1413448130 109540 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm usually not a fan of using Exceptions for Control Flow < 1413448182 778246 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because you have to look at every function you call whether it throws an exception or not < 1413448192 709715 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have to cross-reference that to the exceptions that are catched < 1413448194 459974 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. etc. < 1413448219 756384 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*every function the code calls < 1413448221 797839 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not mine :) < 1413448270 428912 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :some exceptions that are catched are actually never thrown < 1413448888 894389 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: well, I think c++14 and boost has some system functions with overloads that don't throw, but instead store the error in an output argument to give them < 1413449719 853100 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda like < 1413449726 870628 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(result, error) = validate(); < 1413449747 713775 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which wouldn't throw the exception but store it in error) < 1413449759 240356 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and result = validate(); would as usual throw the exception < 1413449935 403767 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.78.155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413449953 343851 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.78.43 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1413450164 323396 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does Docker actually work? < 1413450176 387212 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's like a JVM/CLR? < 1413450467 363215 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be LXC by default, nowadays it's https://github.com/docker/libcontainer < 1413450596 192311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: linux has support for separate namespaces for a variety of resources that together let you do containerisation of that sort < 1413450606 480576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not a good idea to rely on it for sandboxing or security. < 1413450668 551072 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In short it's like chroot + stuff < 1413451197 798164 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Apple-new-imac-software-computer-design.jpg this still looks nothing like an iMac to me < 1413451221 856569 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.78.155 QUIT : < 1413451244 717862 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also looks like it's about to topple over < 1413451293 48208 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like it needs more anti-aliasing < 1413451335 891715 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the black lines are really edgy) < 1413451768 42172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: http://sprunge.us/egAT?java ...but probably don't actually to that. < 1413451837 952644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The argument to resultize should probably be ExceptionHappy for more flexibility. < 1413451870 337434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried also a fancier variant with the exception type as a type parameter, which almost worked, but you can't use a type parameter in a catch, understandably enough. < 1413452033 309389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would probably be doable and safe with a bit of reflection, because you can use a type parameter in a "throws" declaration, so it'd be statically type-checked to only throw (unchecked exceptions or) something matching X. < 1413452809 257177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/FJFP?java maybe? I won't guarantee the safety of it, and it's still probably not a good idea. < 1413453064 389082 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much fancy new Java-Features < 1413453069 347772 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1413453084 518415 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :() -> is Java8? < 1413453091 754627 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 9 even? < 1413453214 347704 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can check with isAssignableFrom stuff < 1413453234 325130 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow < 1413453347 344444 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1413453352 403767 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that requires a dummy parameter to be passed < 1413453452 450026 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do runtime byte-code manipulation in Java? < 1413453476 304663 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on existing code. You can create new one obviously) < 1413453534 124345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java 8. < 1413453665 654174 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.78.155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413454245 245988 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.74.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413454432 986117 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.78.155 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1413454472 315723 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: That seems unlikely; even the original JVM (before we had all those JIT compilers) had a static bytecode verifier which would have been broken by runtime byte-code manipulation; now with JITs, such a feature would become very expensive to support. < 1413454524 73808 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know. < 1413454604 361334 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413455518 443302 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cfmvihuzvqfkgsmh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1413457251 833733 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413457366 804914 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1413457975 284528 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ADVENTUROUS CHICKEN < 1413458315 792650 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to learn Scheme... < 1413458544 550406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start from the oft-quoted ((call/cc call/cc) (call/cc call/cc)). < 1413458553 303728 :King2218!793636aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.121.54.54.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413458596 533200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) except Schemier. < 1413458619 477776 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1413458695 69100 :King2218!793636aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.121.54.54.170 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1413458845 667526 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ``cc`cc -> ``c<`[]`cc>`cc -> `<`[]`cc><`[]`cc> -> `<`[]`cc>`cc -> ``cc`cc, where <...[]...> denotes a context with a hole at []. < 1413459242 421064 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.15 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413459249 336968 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.74.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1413459493 524142 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also need to be less ill < 1413459555 67977 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gone through two packets of tissues < 1413459561 431897 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today < 1413459577 166290 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try some proper food instead. *ducks* < 1413460160 328139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1413461187 99561 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: The Little Schemer. < 1413462055 975782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see Lymia has been applying to become the first(?) human on fungot's ignore list < 1413462056 427173 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how am i supposed to fix the affected threads myself. i pity my cow-orkers tomorrow. like fnord activerecord, it would not be < 1413462142 980178 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1413462202 647711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1413462214 607423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I have a two-strikes policy. < 1413462220 316056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1413462251 747819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly because I'm not entirely sure I wouldn't have done the same once. < 1413462263 588461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to admit getting it to ping out like that was a little clever < 1413462317 186901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was already saying "give up already" in my mind when that happened < 1413462319 379870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not entirely novel, but I didn't exactly advertise the feature on channel for obvious reasons. < 1413463368 475627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The loss of this information could critically compromise -- the ability to exploit foreign adversary cyberspace while protecting U.S. cyberspace." < 1413463371 488019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why, but I have a hard time taking seriously statements that talk seriously about "cyberspace". < 1413463474 116744 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot, do you think the loss of that information could critically compromise the ability to exploit foreign adversary cyberspace while protecting U.S. cyberspace? < 1413463479 107345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's _so_ zeerust, no? < 1413463484 14527 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you think the loss of that information could critically compromise the ability to exploit foreign adversary cyberspace while protecting U.S. cyberspace? < 1413463484 248042 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ls the list ( unquote 0) is evaluated. < 1413463501 660420 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so that's why it's an error. < 1413463601 796148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're just not into the information superhighway < 1413463849 833733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1413463850 26338 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1413463851 904217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Please give a statement on how you are intending to organize the safeguarding of mission-critical core regions of the Finnish cyberspace landscape. < 1413463853 53284 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, the fight against fraud and counterfeiting. the commission also has to be borne in mind. they will pay through increases in tax and social security are largely decisive in the national endeavours, not least in the first instance, development priorities that have genuine measurable objectives and we should not be treated as such, the concern of the european union < 1413463879 381871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Oh, I see, so we need to pay more taxes? Got it. < 1413463880 214038 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, at the moment i am unable to set it up. thus this totally different text is, moreover, obtaining a very concise study on the situation of the family. again, as it is applied correctly. unbundled access to local loop is by its very definition, the problem is not that only 25% are inspected, but rather of fnord. < 1413463937 353736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i understand we are killing bots here today? < 1413464062 360238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq b! < 1413464062 513574 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: (line 1, column 4): < 1413464110 797729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's not _quite_ that brittle. < 1413464300 468218 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, europarl, great < 1413464305 315799 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you think the loss of that information could critically compromise the ability to exploit foreign adversary cyberspace while protecting U.S. cyberspace? < 1413464305 625574 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, i would like to point out to mr poettering. secondly, that we still can and should commit itself to carrying out justice in the end. < 1413464341 365526 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor itself < 1413464528 220395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "ACTION filters CTCPs"1L[+]1L[[+sh < 1413464528 373663 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION filters CTCPs < 1413464636 162222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least there was an extra space at the front. < 1413464688 683482 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "\1That helps.\1" < 1413464689 966612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : That helps. < 1413464694 128197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {"I filter newlines" "or just truncate at them" "or what"}uN < 1413464694 282007 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : I filter newlines < 1413464710 818993 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "That\nhelps too." < 1413464711 688076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, there was the whole "only print the first line" thing anyway. < 1413464711 986657 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : That < 1413464712 140342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : helps too. < 1413464834 953351 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1413464850 402789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 13L[{"Presumably this applies" "QUIT :just kidding" "to carriage return too?"}[[\[sh < 1413464850 556144 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Presumably this applies < 1413464850 556327 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :Quit: just kidding < 1413464855 757824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Whoops." < 1413464858 891367 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 'I filter newlines',LF,'or just truncate at them',(LF=10{a.),'or what?' < 1413464870 828565 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1413464873 281886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, oerjan did state it was national bot-killing day today. < 1413464873 955483 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 'I filter newlines',LF,'or just truncate at them',(LF=10{a.),'or what?' < 1413464876 838203 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch. < 1413464886 853063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok THAT was unexpected. < 1413464894 297552 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, wait < 1413464899 982195 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot, short: #esoteric < 1413464915 575067 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hmm, does that only in private message) < 1413464919 207778 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 'I filter newlines',LF,'or just truncate at them',(LF=10{a.),'or what?' < 1413464919 650167 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |value error: LF < 1413464919 803466 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: | 'I filter newlines',LF,'or just truncate at them',( LF=10{a.),'or what?' < 1413464928 61379 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 'I filter newlines',LF,'or just truncate at them',(LF=:10{a.),'or what?' < 1413464928 578061 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I filter newlines < 1413464928 731408 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: or just truncate at them < 1413464928 731619 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: or what? < 1413464932 121813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text.unlines$map show [[m*n|n<-[1..10]]|m<-[1..10]] < 1413464933 594413 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10] < 1413464933 788506 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20] < 1413464933 788682 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [3,6,9,12,15,18,21,24,27,30] < 1413464933 788822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [4,8,12,16,20,24,28,32,36,40] < 1413464933 788918 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50] < 1413464937 998494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1413464942 785340 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wow < 1413464955 686601 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when does lambdabot do that? < 1413464960 810295 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What did you do? < 1413464963 755518 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it do so only on #esoteric? < 1413464974 646729 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle"|\n" < 1413464975 912968 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "|\n|\n|\n|\n|\n|\n|\n|\n|\n|\n|\n|\n|\n|\n|\n|\n|\n|\n|\n|\n|\n|\n|\n|\n|\n... < 1413464976 66490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text.unlines$map(words.map show)[[m*n|n<-[1..5]]|m<-[1..5]] < 1413464977 368828 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘[GHC.Types.Char]’ with ‘GHC.Types.Char’ < 1413464977 522123 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: GHC.Base.String -> GHC.Base.String < 1413464977 522281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: GHC.Base.String -> [GHC.Base.String]Couldn't match type ‘[GHC... < 1413464977 522374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: a0 -> GHC.Types.Char < 1413464977 913910 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: a0 -> GHC.Base.String < 1413464979 886697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1413464985 325878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Asked it to output "Presumably this applies\rQUIT :just kidding\rto carriage return too?" < 1413464986 983151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var (cycle"|\n") < 1413464988 265887 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1413464988 419803 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1413464988 419979 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1413464988 420070 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1413464988 420161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1413464994 151988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: IRC accepts \r, \n or any combination of them as newline. < 1413465002 318164 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I changed it from 1 line to up to 5 lines a while ago because > never produced any useful error messages otherwise. < 1413465008 438158 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1413465008 697230 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hm < 1413465010 338229 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1413465016 70392 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does know how to count lines though :P < 1413465032 817782 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text"\r:QUIT" < 1413465034 51403 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :QUIT < 1413465048 490346 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :try without the colon < 1413465058 498347 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you saw the :QUIT :P < 1413465059 490586 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or try confusing it with NUL characters < 1413465070 846378 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, that is embarassing. < 1413465080 257297 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text"\0QUIT" < 1413465081 494966 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : QUIT < 1413465101 277624 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1413465126 165840 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text"\rQUIT :hi" < 1413465127 389261 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : QUIT :hi < 1413465130 314348 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1413465132 458916 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1413465150 814500 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 5 1$'|' < 1413465151 396419 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: | < 1413465151 549813 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: | < 1413465151 549964 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: | < 1413465151 550056 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: | < 1413465151 550147 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: | < 1413465173 48936 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It uses head (lines output) < 1413465251 865866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :\0 is technically also illegal to include in an IRC message; I don't know if servers use that as a message separator or do "end message but discard until newline" or "discard entire message" if you do it. < 1413465285 207881 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: don't they just, like, quit you, just like when you send a too long line or too much text without waiting? < 1413465300 409111 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least on freenode) < 1413465339 904518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's an alternative too. < 1413465377 560396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot uses a 0 internally as the message terminator (I believe), so I can't convince it to send one. < 1413465378 924940 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, our committee of inquiry from 1984 to 1989. she really is most persistent, because we already know, that top-down authoritarian integration and fnord regulations are to be able to come to an end and that this has on employees, such as fishermen, particularly at a time when the eu is taking action against ireland for failure to respect human rights, mr president, i apologize to the commissioner for his repl < 1413465405 949193 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote later < 1413465406 495742 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :163) So it's not exactly trivial. [Later about same thing] It's a trivial C program :P \ 178) Maybe they should just get rid of Minecraft. If more people want it someone can make using GNU GPL v3 or later version, with different people, might improve slightly. \ 410) rest in peace lambdabot???? monqy: i < 1413465486 288150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text.unlines$map(unwords.map show)[[m*n|n<-[1..5]]|m<-[1..5]] < 1413465487 914856 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 2 3 4 5 < 1413465488 93472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 4 6 8 10 < 1413465488 93623 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 6 9 12 15 < 1413465488 93715 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 8 12 16 20 < 1413465488 93806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 10 15 20 25 < 1413465523 140131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text.unlines$map(unwords.map(printf("%3d"))[[m*n|n<-[1..5]]|m<-[1..5]] < 1413465524 302596 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:71: < 1413465524 455910 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets) < 1413465537 623480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text.unlines$map(unwords.map(printf("%3d")))[[m*n|n<-[1..5]]|m<-[1..5]] < 1413465539 135701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 2 3 4 5 < 1413465539 289429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 4 6 8 10 < 1413465539 289572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 6 9 12 15 < 1413465539 289664 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 8 12 16 20 < 1413465539 289752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 10 15 20 25 < 1413465551 825952 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text$['a'..]>>=(:"123456789") < 1413465556 861849 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1 < 1413465566 176107 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text$['a'..'z']>>=(:"123456789") < 1413465567 404219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789f123456789g123456789h12345... < 1413465583 550938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i believe text is strict, unlike var < 1413465587 174814 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :79. good, that's what I thought. < 1413465625 354364 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ */~>:i.5 < 1413465625 898008 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1 2 3 4 5 < 1413465626 51355 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 2 4 6 8 10 < 1413465626 51496 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 3 6 9 12 15 < 1413465626 51588 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 4 8 12 16 20 < 1413465626 51679 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 5 10 15 20 25 < 1413465635 456320 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 4":*/~>:i.5 < 1413465636 1289 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1 2 3 4 5 < 1413465636 154648 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 2 4 6 8 10 < 1413465636 154794 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 3 6 9 12 15 < 1413465636 154885 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 4 8 12 16 20 < 1413465636 154977 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 5 10 15 20 25 < 1413465636 781379 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1413465644 571554 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "I'm back"Q < 1413465645 431136 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm back < 1413465653 785442 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do it < 1413465661 88448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 13L[{"Presumably this applies" "QUIT :just kidding" "to carriage return too?"}[[\[sh < 1413465661 500433 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Presumably this applies < 1413465661 653689 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :Client Quit < 1413465667 623177 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1413465673 498653 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1413465717 10494 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 'Presumably this applies',(13{a.),'QUIT :just kidding' < 1413465717 548781 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Presumably this applies < 1413465717 702103 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: QUIT :just kidding < 1413465740 563244 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, you can make j-bot die if I want, just not this way < 1413465740 754453 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't it say just kidding :) < 1413465779 730514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: freenode censors quit messages the first minutes after you log on, to prevent their use for spamming several channels simultaneously < 1413465797 588168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't know it was an intentional feature. < 1413465803 37730 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good one, too < 1413465806 174196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i assume that's the reason < 1413465812 506641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds reasonable. < 1413465934 324316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.>,]>++++++++++.<<[<]>[.>]>+++.<<[.<].>[.>]!test < 1413465934 514567 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :test.test.tset < 1413465938 928374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's as expected. < 1413465956 347345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :\n and \r translated to '.', and 0 just truncates. < 1413466047 419314 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 'I think J-bot strips all low control chars: ', 128{.a. < 1413466047 972906 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think J-bot strips all low control chars: < 1413466048 126308 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: < 1413466048 126457 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ┌┬┐├┼┤└┴┘│─ !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ < 1413466052 570132 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no it doesn't < 1413466060 206592 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1413466078 601666 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it probably does, only J translates some of them on writing or something < 1413466091 702314 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq !blsq 13L[{"Presumably this applies" "QUIT :just kidding" "to carriage return too?"}[[\[sh < 1413466091 897750 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : That line gave me an error < 1413466103 120653 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "really?"Q < 1413466103 292632 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : really? < 1413466104 803639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 13L[{"How about" "QUIT :x" "now?"}[[\[sh < 1413466104 957036 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : How aboutQUIT :xnow? < 1413466119 467936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 0L[{"How about" "QUIT :x" "them null bytes?"}[[\[sh < 1413466119 621316 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : How aboutQUIT :xthem null bytes? < 1413466125 874672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that seems fine. < 1413466154 237646 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1413466180 902229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {"newlines still" "separate lines" "right?"}uN < 1413466181 422890 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : newlines still < 1413466189 176749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm-hmm. < 1413466216 191426 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {"newlines still" "separate lines" "PRIVMSG #esoteric :right?"}uN < 1413466216 714883 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : newlines still < 1413466231 561486 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does head (lines output) < 1413466241 18445 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that lines in haskell doesn't take "\r" as a line < 1413466250 873126 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why that \r thing worked < 1413466308 596344 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rlisp (add $0 1) < 1413466308 899931 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Value 1 < 1413466317 495022 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1R@ < 1413466317 680480 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ain't nobody got time fo' dat! < 1413466325 140830 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq < 1413466325 294238 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : No output! < 1413466337 35969 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 13L[ < 1413466337 227699 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ' < 1413466340 224542 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 13L[Q < 1413466340 378216 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1413466361 416413 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 255rz)L[\[ < 1413466361 569711 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\NUL\SOH\STX\ETX\EOT\ENQ\ACK\a\b\t\n\v\f\r\SO\SI\DLE\DC1\DC2\DC3\DC4\NAK\SYN\ET < 1413466363 569941 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 255rz)L[\[Q < 1413466363 723210 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1413466363 939863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/base-4.7.0.1/System-IO.html#g:25 < 1413466427 845001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i suppose that doesn't help with lines on things constructed internally < 1413466473 345178 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1413466493 150304 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 255L[ < 1413466493 342532 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ' < 1413466496 291463 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 255L[Q < 1413466496 472536 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1413466555 869285 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq !blsq < 1413466556 26850 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: (line 1, column 6): < 1413466563 484504 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq !blsq < 1413466564 2975 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: (line 1, column 7): < 1413466568 646630 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq !blsq 13 < 1413466568 800005 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : That line gave me an error < 1413466595 172734 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq !blsq. < 1413466595 326583 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: (line 1, column 7): < 1413466603 430380 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok? < 1413466606 691719 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq !blsqq < 1413466606 845219 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: (line 1, column 7): < 1413466613 78209 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq !b < 1413466613 231735 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : That line gave me an error < 1413466653 459469 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. !b is a command < 1413466655 194829 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1413466678 67730 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 5`b < 1413466678 221797 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : That line gave me an error < 1413466681 148161 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 5`a < 1413466681 301798 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : That line gave me an error < 1413466686 946625 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 5hd < 1413466687 100019 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : No output! < 1413466689 304523 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 5hd3hd < 1413466689 457756 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : No output! < 1413466691 999310 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 5hd3hd9`a < 1413466692 152800 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : No output! < 1413466695 828138 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 5hd3hd9`a!a < 1413466695 981483 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (e!) Invalid arguments! < 1413466700 160878 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 5hd3hd9`a#a < 1413466700 315904 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9 < 1413466790 276415 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 5hd3hd9`a#s < 1413466790 466408 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : { } < 1413466796 85978 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 5hd3hd9`a#s)Q < 1413466796 239268 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : { } < 1413466835 949324 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 10{hd}GO < 1413466836 102729 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : { } < 1413466838 887338 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1413466846 823527 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 10{hd}GOSh < 1413466846 993892 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "[, , , , , , , , , ]" < 1413466853 674189 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 10{hd}GO3sH < 1413466853 827568 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : { } < 1413466858 761930 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 10{hd}GO3sHSh < 1413466858 915386 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "{ }" < 1413466860 837496 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 10{hd}GO3sHShL[ < 1413466860 991045 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11 < 1413466998 432973 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me just create a challenge for that :D < 1413467164 421535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't the POCKET challenge just go ahead and close now when I'm still winning (a bit). < 1413467234 800906 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much time is left? < 1413467261 677811 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost two more days. < 1413467289 151718 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm winning too, I have the shortest C++ entry for POCKET < 1413467365 977534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's like the ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) except Schemier. <-- i convinced myself the other day that in unlambda `d`cc and ``sii are exactly equivalent. although you need the d. < 1413467397 592401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm vaguely pondering a bit whether unlambda could be TC without s and k) < 1413467410 886871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or without just s, if that doesn't work.) < 1413467415 482103 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: have a look at http://golf.shinh.org/reveal.rb?join+lines/mskzzzz_1175444795&scm < 1413467483 410753 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I don't know whether you'd have to repeat the :delete) < 1413467507 26052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd probably still be shorter than my no-imports solution. < 1413467596 373704 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :OUCH. http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?123 < 1413467636 145089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, 34. I don't know the Gauche libraries at all. < 1413467658 83760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... ``cc`cc -> ``c<`[]`cc>`cc -> `<`[]`cc><`[]`cc> -> `<`[]`cc>`cc -> ``cc`cc, where <...[]...> denotes a context with a hole at []. <-- hey the standard notation it (`*`cc) (i know because i made it.) < 1413467663 630171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1413467689 922291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: there might exist an older standard which i don't know about.) < 1413467708 675461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen (... [] ...) used in some Scheme-related material. < 1413467716 309268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, see http://esolangs.org/wiki/Subtle_cough < 1413467780 57178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i think i shall refuse your attempts to drag us into old golf problems tdnh < 1413467804 549049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also i have no idea how to do that primes thing with just 3 extra chars.) < 1413467806 470713 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that was not my intention. < 1413467814 736054 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1413467831 5271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed the 1 2 3 thing when looking at old problems before. At least the expected number of attempts isn't *too* bad. < 1413467855 318943 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If it was, I'd point you at http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Text+Compression which may be interesting even though it's a post mortem ;) < 1413467860 816752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i can just add ,n/=341 which is 7, and that's the best i have so far. < 1413467862 551951 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it/I/ < 1413467894 883990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you said you had 1 char shorter than that? < 1413467906 653172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc. < 1413467919 703351 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm using \square for holes in contexts, and [] is my usual ASCII approximation of that. < 1413467926 209069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1413468008 102064 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the * may actually appear in some unlambda resources that I've read years ago :) < 1413468021 9260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Is there some convention if you see someone's solution in post-mortem and see an obvious improvement? < 1413468026 725244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like yourname(theirname) or something. < 1413468064 130911 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't know. < 1413468082 937587 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: probably that, yes < 1413468083 450895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well as i found out, you can have the thing in parentheses pretty long < 1413468089 275566 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes(like so) < 1413468120 75903 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a public comment field, not only a name fiedl < 1413468239 492372 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: tbh I was just looking for general ideas of what golfed scheme programs look like; I didn't expect to find a template for the POCKET thing. < 1413468245 391525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: http://golf.shinh.org/reveal.rb?join+lines/fizzie%28mskzzzz%29_1413468198&scm -- the :delete key is just a boolean flag, any true value does. < 1413468288 962945 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, of course, a keyword argument. < 1413468318 390294 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1413468424 451797 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.64.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413468440 721881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more content with the Befunge and Z80 pockets anyway, though still afraid of being one-upped. Not that it should matter. < 1413468445 120212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to go home, I think. -> < 1413468498 719933 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1413468535 594467 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.15 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1413469798 557783 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.64.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1413469831 295185 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.87.47 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413470653 495485 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1413472482 72227 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1413472505 883551 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS-Engine Developers are working hard to deal as good as possible with JS's lack of static typing :) < 1413472841 264847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a real quick Burlesque mail merge before remembering it'll just "main_golf: : hGetContents: invalid argument (invalid byte sequence)" out, of course. < 1413472849 361695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh well, it wasn't very good either.) < 1413472888 594420 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that thing again < 1413472903 472750 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe make mroman fix that in the implementation? < 1413472941 60661 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what shinh uses as a locale? < 1413472944 363615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"C". < 1413472953 697582 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1413472954 488394 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1413472965 892220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works fine locally, under an UTF-8 locale. < 1413472967 190228 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could use hSetEncoding UTF8 ore something < 1413472975 774994 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle hSetEncoding < 1413472977 410915 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.IO hSetEncoding :: Handle -> TextEncoding -> IO () < 1413472977 583824 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.IO.Handle hSetEncoding :: Handle -> TextEncoding -> IO () < 1413472991 179848 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: what? no, set iso-8859-1 encoding instead < 1413472995 889225 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can read any binary data < 1413473000 419406 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that < 1413473004 672658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean char8 < 1413473012 577784 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe add a setlocale builtin :-) < 1413473036 456680 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that I would have to first switch to an IO Monad ;) < 1413473057 909679 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although changing to StateT IO ... shouldn't be too hard < 1413473066 322180 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it just work with byte strings instead of character strings < 1413473086 13663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything that coincides with ASCII would presumably be reasonable in the sense that it wouldn't affect any existing program. < 1413473134 525584 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :char8 sounds good < 1413473154 398600 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- | An encoding in which Unicode code points are translated to bytes < 1413473154 568239 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- by taking the code point modulo 256. When decoding, bytes are < 1413473155 263053 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- translated directly into the equivalent code point. < 1413473205 844555 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "日本語"Q < 1413473206 39309 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1413473229 268557 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "日本語"L[ < 1413473229 439503 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9 < 1413473231 706438 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1413473243 530324 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1413473281 46487 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my locale is en_US.utf8 < 1413473432 371118 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe socket uses char8 or something < 1413473477 806901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: that would explain why it _doesn't_ crash when we send it non-utf8 < 1413473498 378484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, presumably, a good thing. < 1413473639 427510 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :enc <- if binary then return Nothing else fmap Just getLocaleEncoding < 1413473688 340608 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : h <- fdToHandle' (fromIntegral fd) (Just GHC.IO.Device.Stream) True (show s) mode True{-bin-} < 1413473692 664311 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1413473699 611550 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :socketToHandle passes binary=True < 1413473785 317996 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413473834 712480 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I had a discussion about that some months ago with somebody in #haskell < 1413473860 126876 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's Network.ByteString though < 1413473894 987614 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "日本語")L[ < 1413473895 141600 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "aaaaaaaaa" < 1413473899 112570 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "日本語")** < 1413473899 266258 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {230 151 165 230 156 172 232 170 158} < 1413473906 823647 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "日本語")**b6 < 1413473906 977138 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"e6" "97" "a5" "e6" "9c" "ac" "e8" "aa" "9e"} < 1413473909 581777 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "日本語")**b6\[ < 1413473909 735132 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "e697a5e69cace8aa9e" < 1413473982 718564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably binary is equivalent to char8 + no eol conversion < 1413474039 820418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, "This has the same effect as calling hSetEncoding with char8, together with hSetNewlineMode with noNewlineTranslation." < 1413474543 919611 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Unnecessary14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40620&oldid=36295 5* 03InputUsername 5* (+126) 10Added a link to a Ruby interpreter < 1413475017 231258 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gjgvjkbmzbzahnaa JOIN :#esoteric < 1413475414 142078 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.79.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413475516 100264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1413475559 241510 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.87.47 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1413475869 459242 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-liqbmxqwrbkszeht QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1413476156 698816 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.79.232 QUIT : < 1413476175 701744 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.79.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413476214 216796 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-148.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1413477829 377533 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1413480154 152178 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413480157 791515 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1413480216 977364 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho [I will later pretend this was a typo] < 1413480297 538166 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to be afflicted by some kind of curse where I write a Funge-98 interpreter for every programming language I like. < 1413481065 741670 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you like the language BLC ? < 1413481110 523605 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.87.236 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413481148 765020 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.79.232 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1413481279 134016 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: [ < 1413481328 57398 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1413481351 996299 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:InputUsername14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40621&oldid=40464 5* 03InputUsername 5* (+329) 10Linked to some language implementations < 1413481352 469886 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1413481611 424321 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1413481625 331700 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I know InputUsername IRL. < 1413481635 672136 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny to see him here of all places. < 1413482339 684832 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1413482533 339168 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-175-75-25.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1413482574 74284 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1413482653 121521 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net PART :#esoteric < 1413483502 703915 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dontaskdonttelllist < 1413483503 257772 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dontaskdonttelllist: q​u​i​n​t​o​p​i​a​ c​o​p​p​r​o​ m​y​n​a​m​e​ m​r​o​m​a​n​(​u​s​e​ ​q​u​e​r​y​)​ < 1413483580 878006 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask int-e < int-e> oerjan: I'm using \square for holes in contexts, and [] is my usual ASCII approximation of that. – Why ascii and not □ ? < 1413483581 79626 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1413484228 659600 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does (use query) mean? That someone should message em? < 1413484258 561796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1413484294 435046 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1413484442 644664 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1413484471 536735 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.87.236 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1413484726 298416 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah man < 1413484731 635902 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck javas scope rules in cases < 1413484758 363512 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1413484785 372068 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1413484877 790643 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-148.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1413484967 931686 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1413485328 237484 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.93.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413485727 402561 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1413485743 955421 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: oh? < 1413485820 30866 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: cases share the same scope < 1413485820 546597 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1413485824 771442 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :case foo: int a; < 1413485827 682985 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :case bar: int a; < 1413485832 395619 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very legal < 1413485843 724127 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: use a compound statement < 1413485851 71853 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :case foo: { int a; } case bar: { int a; } < 1413485864 234124 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same as C < 1413485876 70660 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand C# has some fucked up scoping rules as well < 1413485894 847060 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of C,C#,Java C has the most intuitive scoping rules < 1413485927 307719 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1413485929 138869 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic @C < 1413485992 730108 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there editors for 2D languages < 1413486014 154615 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like that chars are higher than wider < 1413486025 682733 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks weird < 1413486069 183484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might enjoy CJK < 1413486079 951669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that wasn't a general statement < 1413486082 316479 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asian-Fonts? < 1413486103 487086 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm tired of having to type 10 spaces < 1413486103 643426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might enjoy aheui < 1413486112 186152 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be cooler if I had some editor with a grid < 1413486143 664512 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I might enjoy a 2D programming language editor :) < 1413486144 293572 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: find a crossword editor. that has both grid and square cells. < 1413486168 807699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wow, crossword esolang < 1413486232 844489 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally you can type in directions < 1413486242 66502 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means the editor will recognize that you typed a v < 1413486253 245872 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will switch to "insert downards vertically" < 1413486412 299533 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1413486417 360123 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40622&oldid=40578 5* 0370.114.225.120 5* (+11) 10/* J */ < 1413486724 512959 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1413486891 9971 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1413487201 711122 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1413487959 253734 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.93.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1413488063 596917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: emacs artist-mode may do some things you want < 1413488166 334739 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll write my own editor :) < 1413488189 307620 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Funge-98 < 1413488205 946345 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess since it can do socket you can draw stuff with X11? < 1413488248 707976 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we tried building an editor for rail on a university software project < 1413488316 850472 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/SWP-Ubau-SoSe2014-Haskell/SWPSoSe14 < 1413488404 159529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe there are some Befunge IDEs. < 1413488421 915408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to write Befunge-93 with ZBefunge. < 1413488438 577008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://flourish.org/zbefunge/ < 1413488515 877334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if there's that much things for 2D languages in general, though some Emacs tricks indeed. < 1413488561 576937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's at least one thing that does the natural cardinal-direction movement, so that when you type it keeps continuing to the direction of your last cursor-movement command. < 1413488702 987957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly not with ><^v recognition, though. < 1413488730 451580 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_> < 1413488738 668640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops. < 1413488740 980817 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1413488743 356277 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1413489202 713990 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a befunge variant that uses ←↑↓→ ? < 1413489235 167019 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_> < 1413489253 896982 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard because its unicode < 1413489260 827680 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be easier just to gsub < 1413489282 178604 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to solve the current problem, just generally curious. < 1413489392 534026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I can think of offhand are ASCII, but you could sample http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Two-dimensional_languages < 1413489520 401828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course "truu ASCII" has ↑ in place of ^. < 1413489533 538256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ is just some sort of modern nonsense. < 1413489567 66358 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.68.43 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413489652 45330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, true ascii has a left arrow at _ and a broken bar at | and a yen sign at ` < 1413489657 570820 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1413489683 553209 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, is the yen sign at \ < 1413489686 238608 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look that up < 1413489702 854006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yen sign at \ sorry < 1413489787 696983 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's right here ? < 1413489818 908059 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and true ascii has É no either [ or # depending on who you ask :-) < 1413489842 943205 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o my uptime is 10 days < 1413489843 223892 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASII II < 1413489852 429943 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ASCII II < 1413489972 999869 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(true ascii is cp437) < 1413490098 620913 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not true ascii if it wasn't used by old timey railroad operators. < 1413490137 314845 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or telegraph guys. < 1413490151 896796 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :true ascii is cp861 < 1413490167 160308 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: no way. those use a 5-bit character set with shifts between two states, < 1413490186 736021 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a keyboard that physically doesn't allow pressing keys that would not make sense in the current shift state < 1413490195 632414 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read about byte = 5bit computers < 1413490203 497437 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you don't forget to press the shift keys < 1413490212 211029 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's got nothing to do with ascii < 1413490227 310976 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ASCII_Code_Chart-Quick_ref_card.png < 1413490237 951932 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course as it can encode only very few characters, it has lots of variant character sets < 1413490313 426325 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nixdorf had 12bit bytes < 1413490426 174479 :Somelauw!~Somelauw@unaffiliated/somelauw JOIN :#esoteric < 1413491315 508108 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1413491472 575912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This discussion is taking place on a network where [\] are uppercase {|}, thanks to 7-bit ISO/IEC 646 national variants. < 1413491537 548595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yep, with nickserv and chanserv accounts migrated from back then they weren't considered case variants, and I have no idea how they could resolve the conflicts < 1413491588 77876 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vpmfvmyhbdcekvdi JOIN :#esoteric < 1413491625 838188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same Finnish encoding that gifted us those also had ¤ in place of $. Otherwise I think it matched ASCII. < 1413491653 563404 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the iso-646 encodings. those were big back in ye olden days. < 1413491797 819902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In BBS systems you also quite often got ö -> v, ä -> d (hence all the jokes about "ddkkvset") because that's what you get when you strip the high bit out of Latin-1. < 1413491840 515347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Onneksi ddkkvset eivdt endd ole ongelma." < 1413491921 13142 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I still see some errors in mails where characters are somehow taken modulo 256, so you get Q instead of ő. < 1413491967 397684 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and q instead of ű. < 1413492101 713926 :S1!~sheldon@pD9FCA82D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1413492134 617434 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that of course results in mostly readable mails. there are also mails where every non-ascii character is badly mangled. < 1413492149 844077 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes even irrecoverably, like when every non-ascii character is replaced by a question mark or something. < 1413494474 785136 :brandonson!~SingingBo@d50-98-172-234.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1413495326 330846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1413496019 636985 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1413496021 53685 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1413496073 142248 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figured it's been a while since that's been used < 1413496105 282164 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat $(which slist) < 1413496135 788390 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1413496142 649778 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1413496240 775681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: looks like apple are trying to tempt you with price cuts < 1413496263 920607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, not a price cut, just a worse model. < 1413496283 364226 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, looks like Hussie is trying to tempt you with Homestuck updates that don't advance the plot in any meaningful way < 1413496314 280686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't read homestuck :p < 1413496332 178708 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU USED TO < 1413496365 992580 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you see elliott on the slist? i don't. therefore, not a reader. < 1413496435 674029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i don't see anybody on the slist hth < 1413496447 330888 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see etc < 1413496452 630430 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TENSE MOTHERFUCKER < 1413496475 968468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: did you read that long thread from 200x with john baez about pseudoforms < 1413496484 339489 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1413496671 494133 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: because the site is down? < 1413496681 37726 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there known to have been an update? oh, there is, woah < 1413496689 609465 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, mirror http://i.imgur.com/UoNYckC.gif < 1413496703 73543 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly incredible < 1413496762 204781 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, for just toying around with OSX, a 'worse' model would be fine < 1413496850 929884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well, double the storage, memory and a much better processor and GPU is unquestionably worth $200 < 1413496855 310517 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, if only everything wasn't so expensive in terms of space < 1413496861 718466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get the economics behind them adding a much-shittier $200 cheaper iMac a while ago either. < 1413496922 638991 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which thing are you referrig to precisely/ < 1413496948 281356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even worse for the iMac: they expect you to believe that 1.4ghz dual-core i5 -> 2.7ghz quad core i7, double the storage, and intel hd graphics -> iris pro + geforce 750M isn't worth $200 on a purchase that is >$1k regardless) < 1413497028 472303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ? < 1413497046 216700 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's the new thing that's $200 cheaper for a lot less value? < 1413497060 179363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they released a $499 mac mini. < 1413497063 380021 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1413497078 622426 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I only had room for a monitor+keyboard+mouse < 1413497136 83431 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I could somehow use my current laptop for that, that would be fun < 1413497171 523802 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Jasp14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40623&oldid=40618 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-92) 10formatting < 1413497321 584196 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is my understanding of Apple's iOS app policies correct, that if the web were brand new today, they would not allow web browsers in the App store? < 1413497350 720987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what size is your apartment in m^2 exactly < 1413497425 901795 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really sure offhand < 1413497449 219418 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative three < 1413497462 61744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode � < 1413497462 670521 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+FFFD REPLACEMENT CHARACTER] < 1413497495 466129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: should've used a pseudoform < 1413497512 995168 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lamington.wordpress.com/2014/05/26/div-grad-curl-and-all-this maybe this will make more sense to you than to me < 1413497528 220118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's Em^2 c hth < 1413497555 227361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: did you see http://mathoverflow.net/a/10586 < 1413497570 863425 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1413497577 486849 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get the div grad curl is 3d though < 1413497592 391471 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, in fact, how i got sucked into this, wanting to know how magnetism (curl) would work in higher d's :( < 1413497639 477397 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god damn it Gravitation again too < 1413497650 132987 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen that book it is ridiculous < 1413497663 891508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1413497672 293550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo physicists are ridiculous?? < 1413497684 3689 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they are yeah < 1413497690 987510 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes elementary entomology errors. smh. < 1413497720 727574 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though it's just a big featureless brick of physics http://40.media.tumblr.com/4aecd2760c12bcca6fe8e888bcd707e1/tumblr_nblz4unjOj1r7tprao1_1280.jpg < 1413497736 639696 :MoALTz_!~no@user-31-175-75-25.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1413497751 239837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you meant seen in a literal sense < 1413497755 123648 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that MWT? < 1413497770 345644 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1413497778 320505 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19940612/MATH.jpg < 1413497782 390115 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^brick of math < 1413497783 457205 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the content is also ridiculous, just to be clear < 1413497797 447573 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWT is a great book < 1413497799 815294 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reads kind of like they were stoned < 1413497805 209510 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is just not really well organized < 1413497809 472886 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if, like, apples... were straight lines < 1413497810 872524 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of post it notes < 1413497817 816979 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, good book, i'm never going to understand it is all < 1413497833 188282 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it uses einstein summation notation. imo why. < 1413497849 604611 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because all GR books do it? < 1413497866 68140 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has Einstein right in the name! < 1413497874 986069 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you go with like... < 1413497876 654619 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1413497879 738335 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rovelli kinda? < 1413497883 762172 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All books do it < 1413497892 943115 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly i just don't get the emphasis on tensors being blocks of numbers < 1413497902 972255 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-175-75-25.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1413497916 887140 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like they write out efe as http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/3/f/5/3f50fd206f2fe543a6a8a3e687cf74c3.png < 1413497923 233947 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1413497928 85982 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write it as like < 1413497929 507667 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the point of the indices? can't they just be multilinear operators in peace < 1413497931 912216 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n-forms < 1413497942 826094 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah but in that case, you have to write like < 1413497961 554700 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :R in T*M (x) T*M < 1413497967 829004 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc etc < 1413497986 406432 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07OBJEKTER14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40624 5* 03InputUsername 5* (+365) 10Created a stub page for OBJEKTER. Will be updated tomorrow, when I have more time. < 1413497999 858782 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also most GR is done in a coordinate system < 1413498018 993142 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1413498038 171436 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413498041 89185 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[00:18:58] Well yeah but in that case, you have to write like < 1413498041 242505 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[00:19:17] R in T*M (x) T*M < 1413498041 242671 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[00:19:23] etc etc < 1413498041 242768 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[00:19:55] Also most GR is done in a coordinate system < 1413498041 242860 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[00:20:10] It is useful for observables < 1413498041 242952 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[00:20:15] * Disconnected < 1413498042 262943 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, i ain't a physicist, but when the first part of gravitation is like "so, the point of this is that coordinate systems are just choices we make, they're not really inherent... anyway, here's stress-energy in coordinates" ok bye oh hello < 1413498064 90849 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07OBJEKTER14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40625&oldid=40624 5* 03InputUsername 5* (+14) 10Fixed link. < 1413498086 896515 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it is still useful because you can do any coordinate transform easily < 1413498106 108786 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, gravitation does the milk crates too, huh. burke does that and i don't really get it at all < 1413498128 598649 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07OBJEKTER14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40626&oldid=40625 5* 03InputUsername 5* (-18) 10Removed link. Sorry for this. < 1413498156 643477 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:InputUsername14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40627&oldid=40621 5* 03InputUsername 5* (+110) 10Added OBJEKTER. < 1413498164 47236 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh by the way < 1413498179 2139 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you complain about the Einstein equation written as tensor components < 1413498180 3526 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not < 1413498182 806207 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because < 1413498201 231765 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newman%E2%80%93Penrose_formalism < 1413498207 689325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are milk crates < 1413498214 158382 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good lord < 1413498223 441206 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a kind of picture they use to illustrate, uh... i think 2-forms. < 1413498250 206104 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Einstein equation doesn't look so bad now does it < 1413498253 350669 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1413498270 201298 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newman%E2%80%93Penrose_formalism#NP_field_equations < 1413498272 279496 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at it! < 1413498272 579647 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In NP formalism, instead of using index notations as in orthogonal tetrads, each Ricci rotation coefficient \gamma_{ijk} in the null tetrad is assigned a lower-case Greek letter, which constitute the 12 complex spin coefficients" so glad i'm not in physics. so glad < 1413498306 857172 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1413498311 87843 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although EFE in tetrad notation is quite nice and compact, actually < 1413498340 278323 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413498355 162057 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-175-75-25.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1413498391 490308 :MoALTz_!~no@user-31-175-75-25.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1413498398 142717 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you hate indexes, though < 1413498404 495706 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yang-Mill theory is best < 1413498420 734080 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The action is just S = 1/4 integral tr[F* ^ F] < 1413498423 124872 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty compact < 1413498462 634475 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :blargh i don't even know what gauge theories are < 1413498469 380850 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should stick to easy things like dissecting small animals < 1413498480 93585 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw :( < 1413498498 367768 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm a small animal :( < 1413498509 213048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do it using just a compass and a straightedge < 1413498521 910269 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A compass does have a pretty sharp point < 1413498526 274561 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the straightedge is sharp enough yeah < 1413498533 737087 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i use pins to mark points? if so that's pretty much what you use < 1413498549 629151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 2-dimensional hth < 1413498562 807725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :has science gone too far < 1413498599 238369 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so flatworms, huh. kind of wriggly < 1413498641 48220 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :biology has some pretty weird manifolds http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41F10pcXYEL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg < 1413498664 645867 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that image is kind of shitty but i dno't see any high res ones and if i wanted to take my own photo i'd have to, like, get out of my seat. < 1413498677 276833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with the obsession everyone seems to have with real numbers anyway < 1413498695 740833 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they are real < 1413498697 605712 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence the name < 1413498714 474266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i don't like the reals why would i like manifolds < 1413498743 763756 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all manifolds are real number based < 1413498745 644520 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know why? < 1413498750 453172 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the empty set is a manifold. < 1413498751 796422 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :henway < 1413498753 165550 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is even < 1413498756 311534 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most manifoldy < 1413498762 950727 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's a manifold for every dimension < 1413498781 869952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1413498786 426755 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe in manifolds i can't punch < 1413498786 641326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the implications are manifold < 1413498816 677574 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike : Beware, some are dangerous < 1413498831 124928 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loch_Ness_monster_surface < 1413498838 254040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i want is to understand derivatives < 1413498842 322785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do real numbers have to get involved < 1413498857 21509 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Natural numbers have no derivatives < 1413498861 719976 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All they have is substraction < 1413498910 464020 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use the arithmetic derivative :emoticon: < 1413498940 133279 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a boolean derivative < 1413498946 858740 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i guess like... difference equations. bleh. < 1413498950 307398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :types have derivatives < 1413498954 273737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or species or whatever you want < 1413498957 54303 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that is subtraction < 1413498990 292507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :discrete derivatives are p. nifty imo < 1413499050 239182 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia's example of a type derivative is nitfy < 1413499084 697654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which example < 1413499088 149860 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably figure out why this looks exactly like analytic combinatorics but i'm too busy castrating squirrels < 1413499127 420087 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the type T of binary trees containing values of type A can be represented as the algebra generated by the transformation 1+A×T²→T[..] In the tree example, the derivative is a type that describes the information needed, given a particular subtree, to construct its parent tree[..] This type can be represented as 2×A×T" < 1413499173 310511 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've gained reputation at uni as "the Haskell guy" in my year and now the pure CS course uses Haskell for the compilers module people keep asking me for help < 1413499177 795514 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even do that module < 1413499184 415766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes, it's great < 1413499203 348477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything makes all sorts of intuitive sense < 1413499262 573839 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also says something about zippers < 1413499275 623591 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with binary trees again. everybody loves x²+1. < 1413499312 569820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: just write a supercompilation lens hth < 1413499328 839605 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1413499352 570758 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone had a weird syntax error that I couldn't spot... < 1413499392 593724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you saw the error message? < 1413499396 45621 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1413499414 437132 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error at = on line 8 column 30 or something < 1413499418 149037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they mix spaces and tabs that's always fun on stackoverflow < 1413499427 78081 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I think we got rid of them < 1413499437 623804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because stackoverflow uses 4 spaces to display tabs) < 1413499503 579514 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow, heh < 1413499529 936691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION seems to have slipped off stackoverflow (although i still have the tab open) with all the golfing and stuff < 1413499605 793679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so theoretically you can get people who have their editor set to tabstop=4 and no one can see anything wrong with their code. < 1413499624 919252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some code is actually correct despite looking broken. and all combinations. < 1413499689 824513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error at =, hm well that can mean a lot of things, but probably something that wasn't closed properly. < 1413499724 136814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming there should really be a = at all. < 1413499766 17065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f (Just test = 5 in f (Just "hi") < 1413499767 357950 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:18: parse error on input ‘=’ < 1413499809 82725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm Syntax error? where they using Hugs or something? although it's supposed to have easier error messages. < 1413499813 655287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*were < 1413499820 584442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1413499826 194710 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember the exact message < 1413499922 182115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1413499927 398863 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be too late to debug this............................ < 1413499941 170597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW CAN YOU SAY SUCH A THING < 1413500021 240684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm good error messages should be able to tell if you are missing closing brackets and stuff < 1413500051 180656 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the OS X store as curated as the iOS store? I guess it doesn't matter so much, since Apple doesn't try to block installs from elsewhere < 1413501164 317050 :S1!~sheldon@pD9FCA82D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1413501426 348673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mac app store is kind of bad. < 1413502140 748938 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How so? < 1413502261 17412 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1413502540 113297 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1413502608 627415 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1413503469 697033 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vpmfvmyhbdcekvdi QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity