< 1414022571 494932 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if Apple offered a tiered App Store. So that, say, there's a Tier 1, which iOS devices are on by default, and Tier 2, which supports things like custom home screens. Apps still need to pass review, and it's the review that decides the tier. The worst thing that hapenns if someone clicks through security is a slightly confusing experience. Maybe encouraging users to click through could be grounds for rejection < 1414022597 708169 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no motivation for devs to just get lazy and send to tier 2, beccause they don't get that choice < 1414022629 344704 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what problem is that supposed to solve? < 1414022654 123184 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem where custom home screens etc. require jailbreaking < 1414022670 974768 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ the problem that custom home screens can confuse users < 1414022678 655115 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without banning them) < 1414022788 132179 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are either of those problems to apple? < 1414022797 930891 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't care about home screens. they'd rather they didn't exist at all < 1414022817 204248 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a different homescreen you can... buy a different phone? < 1414022864 689849 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You < 1414022872 277651 :nys_!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca NICK :nys < 1414022873 358388 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're proposing something that's very un-Apple. < 1414022907 264425 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is about as much of an Apple idea as permitting clone Macs. < 1414022914 995053 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1414022921 638504 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if you don't agree with Apple's philosophies or priorities that's fine, but I'm not sure why you're puzzled that they follow them < 1414022934 868784 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's certainly a huge market for them as they are < 1414023027 338012 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's important to remember that Apple really isn't trying to market a flexible, customizable device. They really are going with "any color you like as long it's black." < 1414023072 845796 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: tbh, they're loosening on that < 1414023077 780332 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can install keyboards now!! < 1414023098 602901 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't expect custom home screens, ever. < 1414023101 671212 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and they did ship out ROMs for clone Macs back in the day. :) < 1414023128 977503 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, iOS and OS X have both literally just added considerable shared machinery for secure extensions < 1414023149 542640 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They pulled an app for using the Today screen to host app launching icons < 1414023170 599621 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a slight shift in philosophy, but I imagine there's a *practical* reason they didn't want them initially in addition to any philosophical ones: security < 1414023191 174331 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Oh, certainly. < 1414023203 869976 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so they didn't bother even thinking about going to all the effort of sandboxing everything effectively until it actually seemed like it was high in demand/a good idea that they could execute well < 1414023236 225401 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414023244 400641 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sandboxing is a Hard Problem, and punting on it by making the lack of it irrelevant is a reasonable solution. < 1414023251 169535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1414023268 577330 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Android seems to more have punted on it by declaring it not a problem. :P < 1414023416 780463 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is it just me, or does Android have a horrible scrolling experience. Sometimes I scroll with my finger near the right edge of the screen, and it will sometimes hit the scroll bar, causing the scrolling to go in the opposite direction from what I intended and very fast < 1414023421 516524 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, Android is so free-for-all and open to customisation and I think it demonstrates pretty well why there are advantages to Apple's approach :p < 1414023421 669806 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does iOS do that or is it sane? < 1414023438 203047 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can grip iOS scrollbars at all. < 1414023453 129772 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine by me < 1414023454 760273 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're transient like OS X's and I don't think they're anything but visual. < 1414023460 159555 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: It actually makes the strengths and weaknesses of both approaches rather blatant. < 1414023462 577304 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's kind of annoying when you want to scroll to the end. < 1414023463 819301 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a chance that Android will fix this soon? < 1414023486 127540 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or should I stop hoping for Android to get its act together < 1414023495 335575 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah. but I still wouldn't wanted to have use Android at all until pretty recently, and even now... < 1414023512 695497 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, Android actually does get rather dramatically better with each release. < 1414023535 998123 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially /early on/ I think iOS benefitted tremendously from focusing on getting things right without too much outside interference and gradually opening up < 1414023557 748387 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Android played catch-up for a long time because they didn't have those priorities to start with < 1414023564 502767 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... which is quite fortunate. The UI experience when they started made Gnome look intelligently designed. < 1414023594 351166 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My phone from last year has a physical menu button < 1414023595 98965 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1414023615 682124 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Android was also pretty hurt by pretty much redoing the basic conception of what it should be like not that long before release. < 1414023653 153662 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They pretty much redid giant chunks of the UI after iOS happened. < 1414023676 807460 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cause they were trying to be a Blackberry killer. :) < 1414023716 168003 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't gnome at version 2 when android came out? < 1414023724 538572 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1414023724 769158 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnome 2 was really inoffensive :p < 1414023746 838489 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE 4 had just release, too. < 1414023755 598905 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Which is a better comparison. < 1414023765 302193 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE 4 was a freaking clusterfuck. < 1414023816 659795 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: which android version is that, I don't see any scrollbars to interact with... < 1414023824 205899 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE 4 seems to have completely destroyed KDE's popularity < 1414023827 268710 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind of amusing and sad < 1414023842 354105 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.4.2 < 1414023846 187200 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like people hated gnome 3 too but nobody ever talks about KDE any more except when they're noting that nobody takes about KDE any more < 1414023849 364547 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*talks < 1414023932 968664 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what in the world things are gonna look like in a few years. Gnome 3 seems to be taking GTK down with it. < 1414023957 746105 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hmm. same here. there are scrollbar-like location indicators, but I don't remember seeing any scrollbar. (I just tried with a large image in Chrome) < 1414024000 807715 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try putting your thumb over the scrollbar-like indicator < 1414024016 756607 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: eh, I think gnome 3 is doing okay. < 1414024021 424843 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :popularity-wise < 1414024027 134349 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, try Gmail instead of Chrome < 1414024035 143490 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a harder time reproducing in Chrome < 1414024038 903746 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably everything but unity is doing badly because it's hard to compete with ubuntu's numbers, but... < 1414024056 874677 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also think gnome 3 isn't that bad honestly, but) < 1414024074 105913 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pretty sure it's not Gmail specific because reddit is fun also does it, and it's usually where I ahve the most pain) < 1414024092 370879 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't Mint bigger than Ubuntu these days? :) < 1414024095 6113 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome probably draws its own like on every platform. < 1414024097 755357 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't try gmail, all it does is ask for an account, not realizing that this is pointless when the tablet is offline. < 1414024103 905229 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I seriously doubt that. < 1414024138 344570 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, just #1 on DistroWatch. Which is the least scientific methodology. < 1414024140 891424 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are iPhone URL schemes akin to Android intents? < 1414024148 420516 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, like most ubuntu users are gonna look at distrowatch ever < 1414024209 629242 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: try settings? < 1414024288 721452 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: same there, it indicates position but I can't interact with it. < 1414024298 634517 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1414024309 866211 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not on stock Android, wonder if that's related < 1414024314 75680 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glares at Samsung < 1414024412 196148 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :samsung do a bunch of terrible things to their android yes < 1414024465 955392 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including fudging with the scroll bars? < 1414024524 996528 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly. < 1414024552 135748 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1414024553 9901 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TouchWiz < 1414024553 774113 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do a lot. < 1414024582 110050 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tizen (/ˈtaɪzɛn/) is an operating system based on the Linux kernel and the GNU C Library implementing the Linux API." what a weird opening sentence < 1414024783 237080 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"glibc" *points, laughs* < 1414025325 893682 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in contact with several Samsung people working on Tizen < 1414025332 412909 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what they say < 1414025417 749902 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I envy the dead"? < 1414025897 73629 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414025942 264031 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Show that for all n ≥ 1, s(n) ≤ H_n + exp(H_n) log(H_n), where s(n) is the sum of divisors function and H_n is the nth harmonic number. < 1414026118 25083 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414026118 178717 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1414026148 942292 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1414026188 205890 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1414026204 125527 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414026538 741236 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does exp(H_n) look like, anyway? < 1414026555 876021 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I'm still anticipating < 1414026589 805212 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about Tizen? < 1414026610 943322 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do they say? What do they say? < 1414026621 829139 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the acropolis < 1414026626 237193 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the parthenon is? < 1414026739 989059 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1414026757 992042 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not hard to guess, but something similar to "we are fucked up" < 1414027199 545693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: e*e^(1/2)*...*e^(1/n) hth < 1414027259 512644 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, of course, e^(1/n) = 1 + 1/n. < 1414027264 221665 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For overwhelmingly large values of n. < 1414027281 213433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :COULD BE < 1414027286 645554 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So exp(H_n) probably grows... something like linearly? < 1414027451 768085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 + 1/2 + ... + 1/n is less than a constant away from int_0^n 1/x dx, iirc < 1414027476 138819 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right. < 1414027486 837826 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On May 14, 2013, Cydia Substrate for the Android operating system was released.[24]" < 1414027489 622247 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what? < 1414027610 607794 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION > sequence_ . map print . (\x -> zipWith (-) (tail x) x) . map exp . scanl (+) 0 . map (1/) $ [1..100] < 1414027659 200103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapM hth < 1414027666 217363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mapM_ < 1414027673 585709 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAH! mapMs everywhere! < 1414027693 64880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: are you afraid of haskell < 1414027743 265481 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. shachaf gave me Applicative homework the other day, and I've been obsessing over it since then. < 1414027767 280219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that would be traverse, not mapM < 1414027783 302434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey you can't give the answer away like that < 1414027801 824966 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's 1.781072418? < 1414027805 276554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you aren't allowed to use traverse. You have to implement it on your own. < 1414027850 98836 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e to the power of the Euler–Mascheroni constant, that's what it is. < 1414027860 669059 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah. It's linear. < 1414027908 640897 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there exists a constant k such that the statement is still true if you replace log(H_n) with k. < 1414028389 438373 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1414029623 521269 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harmonic series? < 1414029671 716085 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: DIVERGENT CHICKEN < 1414029673 38956 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, as an approximation to logarithms? < 1414029860 191584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure it must have other uses... < 1414030024 708614 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needless to say, log(H_n) grows very slowly. < 1414032288 291958 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-132-198.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1414032920 489125 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-174-252-8.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1414033137 263748 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1414034151 481096 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Tipforgame 5* 10New user account < 1414034178 103804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smells a spammer < 1414034273 535619 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fifa 1514]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40657 5* 03Tipforgame 5* (+5530) 10All About The Game Fifa 15 < 1414034334 485275 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10deleted "[[02Fifa 1510]]": Spam: content was: "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia FIFA 15 is surely an soccer simulation video game that is generated by EA Canada and published by Electronic Arts. It..." (and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Tipforgame|Tipforgame]]") < 1414034361 949011 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-174-252-8.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1414034376 45766 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10blocked [[02User:Tipforgame10]] with an expiry time of indefinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites < 1414034493 455658 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: okay but this spam is kinda great < 1414034518 726436 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thesaurus words < 1414034614 359884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? it's based on wikipedia, clearly. < 1414034656 643364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the synonym replacements < 1414034892 529159 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BANCStar14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40658&oldid=40654 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+46) 10/* Implementation */ There is no such thing as BANCStar < 1414034928 857425 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1414035550 278174 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1414035836 518328 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-126-167-119.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1414035842 998078 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1414035963 663915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: "It's abominable! < 1414036241 659013 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone's example of why they like jailbreaking: "iFile - File browser and file management" < 1414036254 371127 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple disallows file browsers? < 1414036282 515165 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Apple wants people to have a no-need-to-deal-with-files experience. So they block things that break that < 1414036294 775931 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Google wants a similar experience, but not so blocky ofc < 1414036568 906508 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nod32 thinks that www.jailbreakme.com is dangerous content < 1414036629 977955 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, it is scary that a website was able to jailbreak < 1414036785 209818 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The clear solution is to make file systems for phones based the captchalog system from Homestuck. < 1414036820 827760 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Method 2 : Get Cydia Icon on iOS 7 without Jailbreak" What... is the point of that? < 1414036843 442118 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have stuff like phones that only store one file of each of a small number of hash values. < 1414036847 632159 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1414036849 169736 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You will now see Cydia icon on your iPhone 5 home screen running iOS 7 . It does not jailbreak your device , but tricks someone into believing that you have a jailbroken phone ." < 1414036916 323043 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or everyhing in a stack/queue. < 1414036957 607169 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1414036999 128172 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*everything < 1414037053 21266 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Quit: system down < 1414037341 132867 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: apple disallows /files < 1414037344 67041 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ < 1414037388 342076 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: sometimes I feel like real filesystems are approximately as painful to navigate. < 1414037559 951616 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel like OSX and iOS are opposites < 1414037579 190574 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FScript on OSX probably allows for a lot of tampering with apps, if I understand correctly (maybe I don't) < 1414037930 644763 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Android comes with a file browser < 1414037944 726211 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's the opposite of iOS < 1414038705 899332 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would Apple allow the equivalent of Android's View Web Source app? < 1414038730 366810 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To get the source from the page you are currently viewing in the browser, you can now use the share feature from the menu and select View Web Source." < 1414038734 419924 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's not really 'sharing' < 1414038769 98479 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. < 1414038769 637233 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.imore.com/new-view-source-app-ios-8-lets-safari-users-view-source-code-web-sites < 1414038774 464379 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it costs money < 1414039260 459556 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1414039477 126234 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1414039526 46719 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1414039593 65936 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1414039849 46098 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1414040086 106179 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1414042097 446171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I want to acknowledge you that we have finally succeeded in getting your ATM VISA CARD worth’s of $3.5USD out of ECOWAS department --" over three dollars! < 1414042240 900346 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: spam? < 1414042563 545487 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: btw, do those old computers actually boot? < 1414042731 370398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Yes. Though I might have to do something to them to remove any PERSONAL DATA. < 1414042749 874335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: You can boot both over a LAN, if I remember correctly. < 1414042754 640049 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an exorcism < 1414042766 131062 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, that's fancy < 1414042777 139349 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an actual network, just like sun always dreamed of < 1414042792 703507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: The Sparc is a bit picky about it, you need a BOOTP server (it doesn't do DHCP) and the TFTP server for the kernel needs to be the same machine. < 1414042811 392375 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly I've never even done netbooting at all. < 1414042821 361688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the kernel it fetches over the net needs to have a particular name related to the hardware model. < 1414042832 377441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's OpenBSD $SOME_ANCIENT_VERSION installed on it at the moment. < 1414042855 697322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SGI box has an IRIX six point something of dubious legality on it, and I have no install media. < 1414042881 26079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a vague recollection that you can run Linux on it, but it might have had a less than perfectly supported variant of the graphics framebuffer. < 1414042954 15023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, if you keep the IRIX it's just like in Jurassic Park. < 1414043003 346510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also an external Sun SCSI box of maybe four two-gigabytes-or-so disks that I had hooked up to the Indy. < 1414043029 56103 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is pure decadence. < 1414043059 966448 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these machines are the kind of thing we need snapshot backups of actual physical objects fo < 1414043063 275910 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1414043084 628936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had a SGI monitor for the Indy. < 1414043094 819178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm not 100% sure on that. < 1414043164 246212 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to use a CRT of appropriate vintage or it's cheating < 1414043200 716764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have the feeling that both use the Sun "13W3" display interface, and I have somewhere a 13W3 -> 4xBNC cable that you can hook up to any CRT display that (a) has the "component"-style BNC inputs and (b) accepts a combined H/V sync instead of the VGA-style separate one. < 1414043240 342555 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@ < 1414043251 539316 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting these working is gonna cost me < 1414043260 229786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SGI box might've done sync-on-green instead. At least my old Samsung SyncMaster CRT happily supported both, and it was just a regular PC monitor, so it's not fancy. < 1414043267 971489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can run both over the serial console, but it's not as fancy. < 1414043270 262591 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even own a single CRT. < 1414043287 246161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't own one any more either. Except for that SGI monitor that I think I still have. < 1414043315 819758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Indy has a "webcam" attached to it, and does video input, since it was billed as a kind of a "multimedia" machine. < 1414043345 504125 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cute < 1414043381 925105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and it also accepts regular PS/2 keyboards and mice, if I'm not mistaken. The SparcStation doesn't, but I have a Sun Type X (where X is something from 3 to 5, probably 5) keyboard and mouse for it. < 1414043391 707050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a labeled, physical compose key and all. < 1414043454 956598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gibi.de/gibi/StuffForSale/Sun_Type5c_US+Unix-Keyboard_320-1234.JPG <- like this but not so pink. < 1414043475 469446 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww. you should have gotten the pink keyboard. < 1414043493 692248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be slightly yellow from age. < 1414043496 345166 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the mystery key to the left of F1 < 1414043499 526954 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a blank tile in scrabble < 1414043502 416252 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be anything you want < 1414043519 427654 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also like how it looks ancient but has media keys < 1414043687 268915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember what the mystery key is for. < 1414043709 893983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19683-01/806-4743/images/keyboard_a.tif.gif it's empty also in the official layout diagram < 1414043730 317875 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I know where the power key is < 1414043746 19882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Separate "cut", "copy" and "paste" keys too. < 1414043754 733133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a big "help" one if you're feeling scared. < 1414043772 518598 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm always scared. < 1414043795 353672 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the "Again" key. < 1414043797 622600 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[HELP] [AGAIN] < 1414043813 681073 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.supermegacomics.com/index.php?i=332 < 1414044176 600351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I grepped the logs for some specs. The Indy is model IP22 -- http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/IP22 -- and has the 150 MHz (!) MIPS R5000 CPU on it, along with 48 megs of RAM and GR3-XZ graphics (hardware-accelerated 3D!). < 1414044230 774314 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/File:SGI_Indy.jpg this is such a "early 2000s unix user" screenshot... photo < 1414044234 249611 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an < 1414044250 211866 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably like < 1414044253 290171 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess xdm can't do transparent < 1414044254 752000 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cy < 1414044260 708052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is my own Indy and the photo was taken by me, Sebastian Wenzler, Germany, 2004-12-05." < 1414044262 541195 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can do naked girls though < 1414044351 843801 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the indy is so cute, though < 1414044377 753660 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Support of more than 384MB memory requires a 64-bit Linux kernel." um? < 1414044499 184816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the R5000 has 64-bit registers, yes. < 1414044509 776520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure about that, though. < 1414044529 713300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS III variants certainly exist in both 32-bit and 64-bit versions. < 1414044554 563383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The R4000 series, released in 1991, extended the MIPS instruction set to a full 64-bit architecture, moved the FPU onto the main die to create a single-chip microprocessor, and operated at a radically high internal clock speed (it was introduced at 100 MHz). --" < 1414044580 925103 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, why 384? < 1414044581 118427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The R5000 FPU had more flexible single precision floating-point scheduling than the R4000, and as a result, R5000-based SGI Indys had much better graphics performance than similarly clocked R4400 Indys with the same graphics hardware." < 1414044593 498016 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind of less than anywhere near 32 bits of address space. < 1414044608 839499 :erdic_!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1414044619 258882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but I'm sure there's a very good reason. Maybe it needs a linearly mapped copy of the physical memory for reason X, and... who knows. < 1414044643 617008 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1414044643 770290 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1414044644 478409 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1414044650 859546 :erdic_!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley NICK :erdic < 1414044682 997925 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1414044763 843607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Sparc box is a SparcStation 5 -- http://www.obsolyte.com/sun_ss5/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARCstation_5 -- that at least originally had the 85 MHz µSPARC-II on it, but it's possible I got a 110 MHz variant motherboard from someone. And 32 megs of RAM. < 1414044781 866070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It eats same sort of SIMMs you could stick in a PC, IIRC. < 1414044785 326789 :scounder!~scounder@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1414044785 479981 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1414044807 894463 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :upgrading retro hardware has always seemed like rather missing the point to me < 1414044860 493029 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Sparcstack.jpg nice < 1414044865 619533 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good way to adjust your monitor height < 1414044883 947193 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1414044889 640779 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1414044911 271532 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1414044934 771521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have the slim CD-rom drive you can see in those pictures. < 1414044940 975918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might have the floppy drive, though. < 1414045205 375591 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1414045399 581841 :scounder!~scounder@fuck.your.couch.rikairchy.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1414045508 517104 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1414045635 466377 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Changing host < 1414045635 620141 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1414045666 780562 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PART :#esoteric < 1414045812 529488 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scounder: ...what do you have against couches, anyway? 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< 1414050014 475349 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I guess the format is just better. < 1414050017 383342 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpio's UI seems nicer though. < 1414050023 754195 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's why pax exists. < 1414050342 284430 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "curl -L http://foo/bar.zip | bsdcpio -i" is cool < 1414050437 588983 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though weirdly, | bsdtar -xf - sets the permissions differently < 1414052382 436050 :scounder!~scounder@fuck.your.couch.rikairchy.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1414052382 589450 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1414052382 589563 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-todnzwuxwyyrdyie JOIN :#esoteric < 1414053030 248210 :scounder!~scounder@fuck.your.couch.rikairchy.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1414053030 438779 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :*.net *.split < 1414053030 592510 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-todnzwuxwyyrdyie QUIT :*.net *.split < 1414053348 653406 :scounder!~scounder@fuck.your.couch.rikairchy.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1414053348 846329 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1414053348 846478 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-todnzwuxwyyrdyie JOIN :#esoteric < 1414053987 246480 :scounder!~scounder@fuck.your.couch.rikairchy.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1414053987 438292 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :*.net *.split < 1414053987 591606 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-todnzwuxwyyrdyie QUIT :*.net *.split < 1414056119 672376 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-crdltalawwdpohvz QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1414057027 557703 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1414057937 70412 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-asdaqtqsgaiijcms JOIN :#esoteric < 1414057952 88963 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1414058072 254007 :scounder!~scounder@fuck.your.couch.rikairchy.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1414059288 42135 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1414059516 141647 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1414059734 499599 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414061890 275946 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I think I want to use call/cc < 1414061977 794509 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: on #esoteric, that's normal < 1414061999 541908 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I don't need it < 1414062003 579446 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank god < 1414062005 443027 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can breath now < 1414062012 119320 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: in code with or without mutable data structures or mutable bindings? < 1414062021 592521 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently without < 1414062059 421801 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not in unlambda, right? in unlambda, it's completely normal to use call/cc because the input primitives return crazy values < 1414062080 311150 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of call/cc being like a dangerous poisonous deadly dynamic goto. < 1414062099 550499 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is in Racket < 1414062116 232471 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: consider using call/ec instead if you can < 1414062128 435930 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe scheme r7rs exceptions < 1414062261 542793 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oleg's right about call/cc < 1414062274 895451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever a ketchup company advertises that there are 2 kg of tomatoes in 1 kg of their ketchup, I can't help but think of the horrible implied energy releases. < 1414062289 811773 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what? it's water release, not energy release < 1414062300 796368 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, what does oleg say about call/cc? < 1414062320 195696 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it needs to die, roughly :) < 1414062346 872074 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://okmij.org/ftp/continuations/against-callcc.html < 1414062362 68531 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course! but this is #esoteric, where we embrace bad ideas < 1414062383 194977 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, makes sense < 1414062392 694938 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: sure :p < 1414062426 851481 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :water is energy! coffee is made from water, and coffee has energy! < 1414062730 64909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Delimited continuations! (I know nothing about them, execpt that they're supposedly fancy, and shift/reset is involved.) < 1414062804 617032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess elliott_'s link mentions the same thing. < 1414062864 279157 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they're just continuations except instead of "rest of program" it's "up to the specified enclosing shift". < 1414062870 283955 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or reset. I forget which combinator is which. < 1414062939 485872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds suspiciously simple. < 1414062987 219812 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: for instance haskell's Cont is delimited continuations. < 1414063015 303060 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: EXCELLENT CHICKEN < 1414063074 791555 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I am not very good at Racket < 1414063079 341190 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1414063093 516847 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm overcomplicating it for my level of skill by trying to do clever stuff I'm used to in Haskell < 1414063109 959709 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But because Haskell and Racket are such different languages I am confusing myself < 1414063139 536378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're trying to write in Raskell (or possibly Hacket). < 1414063204 307599 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, except I'm not even using the extensions of Racket that would make this so much easier < 1414064513 871295 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: right. that's like when I compiled to prolog such that the resulting program used nothing of the logic programming capabilities of prolog. < 1414064548 442493 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I had an excuse for that. < 1414064604 400359 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I meant to say 10min on foot, 11min with the tram, 5min on foot, 30min with the train, 10min on foot < 1414064607 843613 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my commute < 1414064618 11126 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(internet here closes at about 23 o'clock) < 1414064692 417486 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: right. if only we could just travel once, then save a continuation or coroutine at home and one at the office and just context switch between them for free < 1414064783 356235 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the time/memory tradeoff would be totally worth < 1414064884 528978 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :coroutines < 1414064887 813408 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never liked them < 1414064912 361330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Internet is closed at night? < 1414064926 899146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that makes more sense, yes. < 1414064948 882052 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in the clinic yes. < 1414065109 622065 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1414065163 658690 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1414065922 410642 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kinda clinic < 1414066255 147517 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1414066388 604503 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mental health < 1414066760 169275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sounds like they'd be better of keeping it closed all the time." < 1414066824 330457 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi < 1414066981 777485 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1414067117 761546 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why? < 1414067124 47407 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you annoyed by my presence? < 1414067196 530742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : See, the Internet is bad for your mental health and... never mind. < 1414067285 390977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you don't read EmotionML, that's "mild disappointment caused by own action".) < 1414067518 561267 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IME the internet is the only thing that keeps your mental health going :p < 1414067615 50291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that might depend on which part of it you read/watch/listen/experience/consume/subsume. < 1414067731 750947 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust me, it's difficult to find parts of the internet worse than being isolated from everything that interests you and everyone you care about in a mental health facility. < 1414067833 388916 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope there are at least books too < 1414067878 344348 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :past tense, thank god < 1414067956 358537 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? is it closed? < 1414067981 354411 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they just let me out :p < 1414067991 373682 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not no: actually yes, it did close shortly afterwards < 1414068050 689972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what about the books? (I'm imagining the sort of book collection you sometimes see in a hotel lobby bookshelf, built by stuff left by tenants.) < 1414068184 283997 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an not exciting selection. but bringing in your own was ok. (bringing in anything that can access the internet was not: I had to smuggle my phone in.) < 1414068190 141410 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not an < 1414068233 26161 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1414068300 562993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: can't you just pre-order and borrow books from a library every three weeks, like some old people here do because they have difficulty getting the books from the library in person? < 1414068361 573681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my (wheelchair-bound) grandmother's food-and-other-home-assistance person used to also bring her library books. < 1414068396 647293 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I got to spend weekends at home rather soon after being admitted as an inpatient, mercifully. so book supply wasn't a problem. but social isolation isn't great (for me) even with nice books < 1414068403 44044 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily my grandma isn't wheelchair-bound, but that's still not enough < 1414068412 21562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: of course < 1414068413 830083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Third floor, no elevator and a wheelchair was probably not the easiest combination. < 1414068510 450222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think she spent at least two decades like that.) < 1414068575 50582 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and lack of a computer really doesn't help when you're a 13 year old autistic kid who thinks about programming constantly :p) < 1414068692 154303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to write C into a notebook with pen an paper when doing our traditional week-or-four visits to the no-electricity-or-anything summer cabin around that age. (Just to be clear, I'm not comparing my summer vacations to being in a mental health institute.) < 1414068747 21374 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Finnish summer is probably comparable. < 1414070439 925816 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a whole book shelf here < 1414070455 748586 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a piano < 1414070457 840575 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :two tvs < 1414070462 630184 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a billiard table < 1414070491 400817 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically if you're well this would be a very good place to live < 1414071309 7838 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1414071739 461465 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1414071985 770962 :evalj!~jeval@54000EC1.dsl.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1414073061 821890 :paul2520!~pi@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I try to remember to bring a notebook when I suspect I might not have access to a computer/Internet. Always good to write down code or project ideas. < 1414073189 374183 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1414074657 564235 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1414075651 470215 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1414075691 744374 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1414077042 500899 :S1!~sheldon@p4FF92EA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1414077416 966588 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1414077616 992266 :evalj!~jeval@54000EC1.dsl.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1414077770 27748 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414082455 499569 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1414082509 190400 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha! All the close parens < 1414082743 144014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a piece of Scheme code (from a friend) that has maybe a twenty or so )s at the end -- and they're arranged to form a giant ASCII-art ")". < 1414082776 77157 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow < 1414082781 38943 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have 10 so far < 1414082792 258626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a couple of systems support a thing like ] being strong enough to close all currently open (s up to the top level. < 1414082811 132834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I think it just looks too unbalanced that way. < 1414082833 999832 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of creepy < 1414082987 348493 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414083102 362022 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1414083829 133394 :S1!~sheldon@p4FF92EA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de NICK :S0 < 1414083947 860541 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for balanced parentheses, see ioccc/2012/zeitak < 1414084020 756209 :rjmacready_!02532727@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.83.39.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414084041 126505 :rjmacready_!02532727@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.83.39.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys < 1414084066 229604 :rjmacready_!02532727@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.83.39.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think of this as an esolang (nevermind the name) https://github.com/fabriceleal/Multitasks, docs here: https://github.com/fabriceleal/Multitasks/wiki < 1414084171 31337 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@s.cadoth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1414084735 82622 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: 10 is easily enough: http://sprunge.us/ebJN < 1414085277 801811 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-174-76-63.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1414085462 967414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL: A very fancy Z80 golf trick. < 1414085568 883918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"jr cc, skip; rst 38h; skip: ..." can be done one byte shorter by a single "jr !cc, $+1" (where cc and !cc are a pair of corresponding condition codes). < 1414085643 991015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It conditionally jumps to the middle of the jr opcode-and-argument, and the argument is 0xff (because it's a signed 8-bit offset from the next instruction) which just so happens to be the single-byte rst 38h, leaving the instruction stream re-synchronized again. < 1414085662 967402 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1414086102 562585 :carbone!~IceChat9@ALyon-257-1-52-246.w90-15.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1414086138 163939 :carbone!~IceChat9@ALyon-257-1-52-246.w90-15.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Client Quit < 1414086153 725482 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-efruoygjcppsfjhm JOIN :#esoteric < 1414087502 288425 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40659&oldid=40612 5* 03204.154.122.227 5* (+131) 10Added the JFlick interpreter < 1414087502 712653 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@s.cadoth.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1414087534 959989 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@s.cadoth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1414087617 695377 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1414087685 371043 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40660&oldid=40390 5* 03204.154.122.227 5* (+131) 10JFlick Interpreter < 1414087803 177967 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414088319 502949 :rjmacready_!02532727@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.83.39.39 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1414088473 386464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414088617 468541 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@s.cadoth.net QUIT :Read error: 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:callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1414097229 118040 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-148.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1414097974 257888 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1414098792 672438 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1414101042 510736 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414101147 980635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1414101423 25152 :S1!~sheldon@p4FF92EA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1414101465 784132 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1414102097 119361 :scounder!~scounder@fuck.your.couch.rikairchy.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1414102515 686636 :recycler!59b05471@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.176.84.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414102591 386907 :recycler!59b05471@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.176.84.113 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1414102600 344577 :recycler!59b05471@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.176.84.113 PART :#esoteric < 1414102857 478410 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1414102859 411798 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1414103428 368785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it pass < 1414103435 47279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1414103448 987253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many people are under the misconception that all IRC channels have continuous conversation all the time < 1414103827 876811 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1414104367 84158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how absurd < 1414104491 250259 :brandonson!~SingingBo@d50-98-172-234.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, there are some that come close < 1414104515 175225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even #ubuntu is silent for a few minutes sometimes, I've seen it happen < 1414104640 998400 :brandonson!~SingingBo@d50-98-172-234.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in the context of internet-based conversation, I'm not sure that matters. could've been a solar flare or something :p < 1414104668 423085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I didn't try talking at the time < 1414104676 203844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I probably could have done < 1414105329 50395 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume Today widgets require less customization to use than Android widgets? < 1414105740 989670 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :widgets? are you making a weather widget or a clock widget? < 1414105742 99400 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1414105770 9220 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1414105785 281518 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking about switching from Android to iOS < 1414105855 72891 :brandons1!~SingingBo@d50-98-172-234.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1414106099 473765 :brandonson!~SingingBo@d50-98-172-234.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1414106183 454098 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I had a weird realisation < 1414106188 892345 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look like a real person < 1414106290 260824 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, if I saw someone who looked like me, I wouldn't be surprised (assuming I didn't look like me?) < 1414106303 677965 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the motivation being? < 1414106324 932639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: most people look like people, though < 1414106330 916937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're hardly unusual, in that respect < 1414106339 698191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, stop giving elliott_ information with which to accidentally recognise you < 1414106345 545461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you may be self-deluding http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyLookLikeUsNow < 1414106350 382639 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: have you considered that you might actually *be* a real person? < 1414106350 682170 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen Taneb's face multiple times < 1414106365 15533 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm not exactly private in what I look like < 1414106375 145499 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and, I don't know, it's weird < 1414106383 626310 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think me and Taneb have diverged sufficiently to significantly lower the existential risk posed by us meeting < 1414106384 790209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1414106386 257216 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you look like something that looks like Taneb. < 1414106395 653579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414106434 520005 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a start, I am not in Hexham any more < 1414106457 427134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll help, at least < 1414106516 846457 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I do not imagine elliott_ visiting York any time soon < 1414106635 979624 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexham doesn't actually exist. < 1414106792 599766 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just made it up as a long-running gag. < 1414106792 817682 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1414107343 45950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1414107367 265750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dontaskdonttelllist < 1414107367 966637 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dontaskdonttelllist: q​u​i​n​t​o​p​i​a​ c​o​p​p​r​o​ m​y​n​a​m​e​ m​r​o​m​a​n​(​u​s​e​ ​q​u​e​r​y​)​ < 1414107429 165295 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, can I go on the please ask please tell lisst < 1414107445 478212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, but that's the default < 1414107492 168553 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1414107528 834287 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: constant UI frustration < 1414107752 428639 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come? I am intrigued. < 1414107764 209965 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`taneblist < 1414107764 698867 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: taneblist: not found < 1414107768 989146 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. < 1414107948 126675 :dianne!~hianne@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1414107976 618499 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1414107977 201149 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Go, weetoflakes, and this sentence. < 1414108076 692461 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the back button is total nonsense, the scroll bars ... I understand why they act the way they do, but it's accidentally a bad behavior (not sure if it's Android or Samsung's TouchWiz) < 1414108109 237509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i think it's been a while since we heard about you inventing something < 1414108137 815730 :dianne!~hianne@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric < 1414108178 758229 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you talking about the back button, or the back button, or the other back button? :P < 1414108205 215626 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with there being so many different back buttons, but what about the scrollbars? < 1414108267 266248 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In most apps, when I'm scrolling, I often touch the edge of the screen. Sometimes my finger collides with the scrollbar itself, and starts moving the scrollbar, resulting in very fast scrolling in the direction opposite of what I intended < 1414108303 737177 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I have slipped somewhat < 1414108310 423618 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Taneb < 1414108311 71481 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards, and five genders. (See also: tanebventions) < 1414108322 151366 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh, indeed. that subtle alternative fast reverse scrollbar. I dread it. < 1414108344 781345 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My primary keyboard broke :( < 1414108404 709583 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This backup has a dodgy shift key < 1414108470 709868 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you heard of our Lord the Mechanical Keyboard? < 1414108480 775327 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, my primary is mechanical < 1414108492 227044 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some food got stuck behind the w and e keys < 1414108500 926861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/keyboards/keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys/' wisdom/taneb < 1414108502 337713 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1414108575 725432 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: pop the keys and wash them? < 1414108597 207153 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I'm lazy but I'll do that eventurally < 1414108662 530275 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, which model is it? what keys? < 1414108701 241434 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know. The layout is UK qwerty < 1414108709 625063 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's about 13 years old