< 1414627230 144048 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping that the wtf was the W3Schools site < 1414627232 901033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We discussed that the other month. < 1414627260 914024 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did forget the "FILE_NOT_FOUND" result though. < 1414627261 434622 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least those strings are truthy and "" is falsey < 1414627289 558819 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that could be worse... it might act like a boolean for a little while < 1414627295 691348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You really have to work at it to get more than a "maybe" out of Chrome, since so many formats support all kinds of unlikely codecs. < 1414627310 22234 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFK < 1414627378 502128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes if you specify the codec it will say "probably", e.g. for 'audio/webm;codecs="vorbis"'. < 1414627442 655038 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1414627485 41484 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm "this combination does not make sense but we'll take our chances anyway?" < 1414627544 785362 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, that's not it. < 1414627546 821688 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1414627574 825073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :audio/webm is officially only Vorbis, anyway, so the codec specification is slightly superfluous. < 1414627620 126677 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm stupidly mixing up "maybe < 1414627624 219276 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :" and "probably" < 1414627663 958019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Generally, a user agent should never return "probably" for a type that allows the codecs parameter if that parameter is not present." < 1414627691 839251 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense, actually < 1414627801 530871 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nevertheless, I find those return values ridiculous. If they wanted to express levels of certainty, why didn't they specify to return a float between 0 and 1? < 1414627853 946846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are your feelings on "0 but true"? < 1414627862 658711 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then at least I could probe all the types I have and pick the one that the browser considers best. < 1414627948 775158 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzcxpmolshedwtzu JOIN :#esoteric < 1414627971 546792 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0 is true? < 1414627993 118040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I meant the Perl handling of the string "0 but true". < 1414627996 895442 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : I love Java, especially how Java EE follows all best practices. "Returns an array containing all of the Cookie objects the client sent with this request. This method returns null if no cookies were sent." < 1414628001 943335 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffff < 1414628009 46614 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you wanted efficiency < 1414628021 250686 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't spare a constant zero-length array so you don't make your users cry? < 1414628034 481975 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet the thought process was "oh, we should special case the zero case, our one-or-more code doesn't work" < 1414628044 75674 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then someone's brain broke and put "return null" there instead of the sensible thing. < 1414628063 515291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's a reasonable hack that takes something that could be done anyway, and tweaks the warnings system to match common practice < 1414628102 407345 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: didn't you see the sarcastic smiley! (I knew I forgot something.) < 1414628157 694540 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tilt head < 1414628284 31156 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm not too happy with perl's idea that the string "0" is false. < 1414628288 784254 :brandons1!~SingingBo@d50-98-172-234.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1414628334 384364 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "00" isn't. Heh. < 1414628526 876034 :brandonson!~SingingBo@d50-98-172-234.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1414628547 836632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like that either (and PHP is bad at those kind of things too) < 1414628890 566810 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My opinion is best is "" is false and "0" is true < 1414630191 758358 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"" and "0" as booleans should be mu < 1414630212 285143 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if I hate cold weather, how bad of an idea is a trip to Svalbard < 1414630230 557631 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they have hot showers in Svalbard? < 1414630326 829463 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't there Norway people in here? < 1414630802 659671 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Oerjan people? < 1414631251 160581 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1414631305 714835 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1414632179 655215 :hjulle_!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1414632277 938539 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vindinium.org/ would a client for humans be legal? < 1414632389 664581 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1414632479 274096 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1414632882 108891 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1414632998 132739 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the worst news I had today was just that my originally desired trip to the eclipse was fully booked, I would be happy < 1414634453 625183 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-75-115.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1414634603 382124 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-75-115.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1414635882 385160 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1414636355 83001 :impomatic_!~digital_w@249.57.115.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1414636610 686215 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways... which is colder? Svalbard or Alaska? < 1414636660 601183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this why you wanted to know whether iceland had subways :p < 1414636727 42445 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was when I was under the impression that the Iceland trip wasn't fully booked < 1414636752 989182 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eclipse from plane + aurora borealis sounds ideal < 1414636764 457031 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Iceland/Faroe Islands/ < 1414637216 43152 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, choices are try for eclipse+aurora in Svalbard, or just settle for aurora in Alaska < 1414637233 137053 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't want to try for eclipse on the land of the Faroe Islands, heard there's bad weather < 1414637426 741938 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Armed guards will be on hand in case a polar bear should wander near and we provide warm drinks to keep the cold from your bones. " < 1414637676 274773 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1414637734 145430 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the Svalbard trip I was looking at is sold out too < 1414637807 866918 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... actually, might only be the option with flight from Oslo < 1414637820 536194 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure < 1414638022 119607 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1414638089 323046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :travelling to svalbard but avoiding other places due to bad weather... < 1414638243 136167 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clouds are worse than being cold, when it comes to viewing a solar eclipse < 1414638257 287180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about bears? < 1414638278 720214 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only hope the armed guards know what they're doing < 1414638369 328808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"armed guards" might be referring to the panserbjørne... < 1414638423 26758 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :armoured bears? < 1414638707 307823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :His Dark Materials reference. sorry. < 1414638787 136264 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. I thought you were referring to something real, like some sort of governmental anti-bear patrol, which happened to have the same name as some His Dark Materials thing < 1414638791 846099 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1414639451 508630 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Rodolvertice 5* 10New user account < 1414640572 925189 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1414640679 797291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I just got spam saying (NOT A SPAM) in the subject line < 1414640738 923237 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1414642528 636168 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1414645484 262133 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1414645823 17307 :brandons1!~SingingBo@d50-98-172-234.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3-dev < 1414647023 533371 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1414647187 25490 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1414647566 475853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a book titled "Pope-Pourri". It inclueds a list of some saints and their specialties, which include: communists; protection from fools, clowns, and idiots; protection from freethinkers; stuttering; vampires; children who are late in learning to walk; sick chickens; servants who break things; those who are insane... < 1414649095 675900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1414649111 582067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414649382 792652 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1414649399 656074 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can convert Brainfuck to Whitespace: https://gist.github.com/Centrinia/2836820aaf12e048e320 < 1414649440 648280 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping it was written in befunge :( < 1414650150 55168 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FakeASM14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40711&oldid=40710 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+33) 10 < 1414650205 209798 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1414650229 828528 :hjulle_!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1414650466 685356 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40712&oldid=40664 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+14) 10adding [[FakeASM]] < 1414650619 982546 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40713&oldid=40656 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+46) 10[[FakeASM]] < 1414650695 26423 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FakeASM14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40714&oldid=40711 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+1) 10/* FakeASM2 */ I hate editing w/ mobile < 1414651031 767700 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FakeASM14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40715&oldid=40714 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+1) 10/* Debug mode */ typos. my only weakness < 1414651202 647017 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these change messages are quite entertaining < 1414651237 606421 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i know what to do once i become a villan < 1414651267 425484 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FakeASM14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40716&oldid=40715 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+2) 10/* Instruction list */ WSD fix < 1414651725 933381 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thejh.net/misc/website-terminal-copy-paste < 1414652799 547583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1414653223 769013 :impomatic_!~digital_w@249.57.115.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1414654081 731161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: I've sent a solution so now you won't be the first <-- ah, i'd been wondering if "jonas" was you... < 1414654338 615546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, the hungarians are breeding < 1414654360 648968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hi nyuszika7h) < 1414654415 805535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the hungarians have been breeding for a very long time < 1414654460 167365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ON THE CHANNEL? < 1414654536 862741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're breeding in here? ew. < 1414654660 175022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see you have also discovered the danger of hinting to int-e that things are possible < 1414654701 883054 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/M6k4nhGu < 1414654799 354897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :centrinia: is that a whitespace program < 1414654802 792919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: have you been bitten by that too? < 1414654810 270930 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes. < 1414654826 537165 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I converted a Brainfuck program to that. :p < 1414654837 237998 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/Centrinia/2836820aaf12e048e320 :p < 1414654881 294593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: only slightly, i tried to obliquely hint that there was a more efficient way of making local definitions in golfing, and he quickly guessed i was referring to pattern guards < 1414655043 457868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow, though, i've yet to actually make an optimal golf solution that uses them < 1414655052 751059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1414655109 80814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yet another person who prefers explicit braces in haskell. i think you're more common than people claim. < 1414655147 528757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell benefits from not having to be whitespace-sensitive < 1414655153 220281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who? < 1414655162 470707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: see centrinia's gist < 1414655180 594447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do /I/ get to complain at /you/ for not following links? < 1414655189 325496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would seem very out of character for both of us < 1414655218 255970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's not doing the polynomial optimization, is it? < 1414655239 397216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, github has a big signup advert at the bottom of gists too < 1414655248 2004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise it was in response to the link < 1414655250 324245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it annoys and depresses me that they are this desperate for users < 1414655258 503903 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I might be inconsistent about what nick I use on anagolf among "jonas" and "b_jonas" < 1414655261 764976 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to stick to one < 1414655268 370619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not really an ad so much as the submit a comment form < 1414655288 556604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the homepage is definitely an ad, though < 1414655297 841424 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm definitely inconsistent, damn < 1414655320 74216 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think if you wait a few more days, some of the regulars on anagolf will submit a shorter perl < 1414655326 197926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, okay, it is an ad too, but it serves a purpose < 1414655401 541726 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I prefer explicit braces in haskell too < 1414655467 75861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1414655572 50819 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, with all the pattern matching in function heads and the pointfree style, some haskell code contains very few braces, explicit or implicit < 1414655752 945552 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-75-115.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1414655873 239195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1414656026 638023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Article about BANCStar says "Not known if strings index from 0 or from 1". I believe it is from 1. < 1414656070 822700 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are things known about BANCStar? < 1414656142 609298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there's been huge archaelogical investigation into BANCstar < 1414656149 863554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what people are using as sources < 1414656151 941171 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome < 1414656170 821624 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once completely failed to get the presumed current owners to give any documentation < 1414656244 458882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This means that "10829,2446,22245,22012" in C16LNAPP.SCN would set the "Financial Summary?" variable to "N", which seems sensible given the context. < 1414656298 817916 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :experimentation? < 1414656306 684099 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone has a BANCstar interpreter? < 1414656322 832321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as anyone knows, nobody has an implementation. < 1414656328 746422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, it got lost. < 1414656476 423541 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if the top secret proprietary information in the sample ends up getting revealed? < 1414656505 783168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I already figured out some of it actually < 1414656594 268914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :centrinia: looking briefly over it, i think your optimize will not handle >++ < 1414656623 45772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the Advance gets stuck between the Increments < 1414656717 106389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am guessing that command 3100 will result in an error (requiring you to retype the input) if the condition isn't true. < 1414656728 77284 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It outputs p[1] += 2; p+=1; < 1414656743 901771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :centrinia: huh < 1414656756 230636 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it does optimize. < 1414656764 831771 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a fixedPoint function. < 1414656768 680922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1414656789 970898 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the optimize function does need some work. < 1414656801 255277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ic < 1414656865 317606 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Whitespace output is not very optimal. :"> < 1414656942 356019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 pointed out you weren't doing "polynomial" optimization < 1414656949 477801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's fancy stuff imo < 1414656991 995785 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it does linear optimization. < 1414657069 97120 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It converts while(*p) { *p--; p[i1] += inc1; } to p[i1] += inc1 * *p; *p = 0; < 1414657074 621247 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the like. < 1414657074 774724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's needed to be competitive with the better BF optimizers < 1414657091 29921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, RLE optimization is pretty basic, even fungot does that < 1414657091 183240 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I am working on it. < 1414657091 183393 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but cyrus! are you leaving! nothing here using the dna from animals, only the 3 entities you saw will help you leave, crono?!! you brought back my cat! thank you, crono! < 1414657112 54882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh your "isStationary" is basically the same as "checking all loops are balanced", but it needs to be applied after the optimizations that move Advance? < 1414657155 173835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some kind of de-tapeification optimisation would be interesting. < 1414657164 890649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that tries and extracts underlying variables and maybe even data structures. < 1414657188 212155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wiki says that 2999 introduces a new page. I think rather, a prompt with the response field's position being given as a negative number ends a page. < 1414657197 175429 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wouldn't that involve dry runs of the program? < 1414657198 604340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This makes it even less clear what "stop code" really means.) < 1414657223 954287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :centrinia: I don't see why < 1414657236 988221 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: isStationary is used in very experimental parts of the code. :p < 1414657258 308408 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does polynomial optimization work on something like this? http://codepad.org/BWiQokT1 < 1414657304 482103 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's just called decompilation < 1414657322 125315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: sure. < 1414657330 870880 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: jloughry may have one @BANCStar < 1414657341 685331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :centrinia: i think it can handle all balanced loops in principle? < 1414657356 236922 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the last thing I've heard from him was him trying to rescue something from a floppy disk < 1414657357 793397 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought as much. < 1414657369 312958 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which he told me was somewhat corrupt. < 1414657376 967715 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since then I haven't heard from him again. < 1414657429 120660 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also tracked the company down that now acquired (through various steps) the company behind BANCStar < 1414657436 816357 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they haven't answered to my e-mails < 1414657587 651350 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparentely there also was a developer manual that they have written for themselves < 1414657606 331949 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They reverse engineered bancstar and documented what they have found out) < 1414657634 925315 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, he couldn't find a copy of that. < 1414657680 308900 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't know how to get more information about it anymore ;) < 1414657708 860384 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only idea I have left is ask jloughry about other people that worked with BANCStar < 1414657720 182017 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. work colleagues of him) < 1414657732 46748 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then contact them and ask if they somehow have something laying around :D < 1414657772 373893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think there might be some shorthand to set stdout to binary/latin-1? <-- we compared those, setBinaryMode ... True is actually longer than using setEncoding ... utf8 < 1414657800 754642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and utf8 is shorter than char8 < 1414657803 180282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (length "setBinaryMode ...$1==1", length "setEncoding ... utf8") < 1414657804 642006 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Well, a lot of things I figured out are contrary to what is on the wiki and I am making a list of them on the talk page right now. < 1414657805 361846 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (22,20) < 1414657809 243461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1414657811 941826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the shortest True? < 1414657816 346625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :1>0 < 1414657824 748095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so it can't compete I guess < 1414657855 586227 :impomatic_!~digital_w@249.57.115.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1414657867 486305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh forgot the h prexix, it's hSetBinaryMode and hSetEncoding < 1414658308 911510 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which Brainfuck compilers do full-blown polynomial optimization? < 1414658318 762490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esotope for one < 1414658333 277312 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :polynomial optimization? < 1414658334 557158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://code.google.com/p/esotope-bfc/ < 1414658347 59790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering "what's the shortest true in Prolog" < 1414658349 179197 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some trivial optimizations < 1414658365 970303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically because you might be able to use ! but it has horrendous side effects < 1414658383 25818 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esotope generated this: http://codepad.org/gXW1K2ma < 1414658393 255001 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eliminating -+ and the [ after ]... and <> etc < 1414658396 707060 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that the loop can be completely removed. < 1414658421 253056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: isn't in some sense the empty predicate true < 1414658450 193430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess that cannot be used everywhere < 1414658454 816876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, the empty predicate is fail; the simplest possible nonempty predicate is true < 1414658459 599873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, I see what you mean < 1414658459 753229 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, BF->C, not BF->BF < 1414658469 99609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could just do "t." and then use t instead of true < 1414658471 769038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :centrinia: note that there are two esotopes :/ < 1414658474 723841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want the one I linked < 1414658476 822616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's three characters even if you only use it once < 1414658509 32328 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That was the one you linked. :( < 1414658512 216896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well i also mean, that many times when you would want to use t, you can just leave it out < 1414658531 994243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, okay < 1414658532 856212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but the same is true of booleans in lots of other cases < 1414658654 192846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :centrinia: hm indeed, so then it doesn't do full polynomials in that case < 1414658814 238123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, while i _think_ you can optimize all balanced loops into direct formulas, you are going to need modulus arithmetic and stuff in general < 1414658825 432153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if cells are bounded wrapping < 1414658851 872522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait hm < 1414658897 193505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not true. you can do exponentiation in a balanced way, i should know since that was the only way i saw to convert input properly for 3-cell bf. < 1414658914 543597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there are probably limits < 1414658946 898346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i have _still_ not found a way to do proper output, mind you.) < 1414658959 376353 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean? < 1414659071 876271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :centrinia: [->[->++<]>[-<+>]<<] will multiply the second cell by 2 to the power of the first, essentially < 1414659081 209175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with 3rd cell starting as zero) < 1414659097 181604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not describably by just a polynomial < 1414659100 99211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*e < 1414659131 800762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1414659157 371927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1414659219 147335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :centrinia: also, i once proved that brainfuck is turing-complete with just 3 unbounded cells, you can find the details at http://esolangs.org/Collatz_function < 1414659244 14521 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://codepad.org/10Gxjwwm < 1414659376 519539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :centrinia: yes, and that still contains a loop. also it's not very optimal even inside the loop, especially lines 4 and 5 should be easily combined? < 1414659404 948215 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah. :p < 1414659483 22275 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is equivalent: http://codepad.org/B8gxa2Hc < 1414659619 54016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does three-cell collatz in BF use unbounded loops? < 1414659622 758987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, unbalanced < 1414659635 110927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1414659645 53505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's even stronger proof you cannot make a formula < 1414659754 848970 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/f8sZl9wf < 1414659764 784808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :centrinia: that's a lot of duplication of code just to avoid having p[2] = 0 in the inner loop < 1414659771 293026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the previous one) < 1414659778 958967 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is one unroll. < 1414659793 843981 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it allows for assignments. :) < 1414659821 887033 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/8zsFbPyS < 1414659900 924468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1414659919 211022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i was really intending for p[2] == 0 to start with < 1414659929 352111 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that is true. < 1414659937 495899 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my optimizer doesn't know that. :( < 1414659947 433834 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't know that p[2] has not been touched. < 1414659994 595026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall back when pikhq did similar stuff, he optimized the whole program with the assumption things started as 0. < 1414660031 514985 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1414660136 31307 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414660170 679618 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BANCStar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40717&oldid=40092 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+1725) 10 < 1414660175 367494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he had a dictionary of cells with known values < 1414660185 602858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1414660201 310104 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still cannot quite figure out "combination goto" < 1414660505 459985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what is "chocobi-C" < 1414660509 274421 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BANCStar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40718&oldid=40717 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+96) 10 < 1414660589 317441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh never mind < 1414660822 700230 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1414660937 431639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1414661067 271119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : similarly you can strip out the final newline if you are submitting the program by upload, though I don't know whether that's still counted or not <-- it's even easier on the form, of course < 1414661973 970316 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lol, hi < 1414662009 718738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves < 1414662051 381489 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cxpakvluqinexacg QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1414662919 475179 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:FakeASM14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40719 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+287) 10/* Um Esoteric Language ? */ new section < 1414663133 890271 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.windytan.com/2014/10/visualizing-hex-bytes-with-unicode-emoji.html < 1414664185 372720 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't http://esolangs.org/wiki/Lenguage sort of like http://esolangs.org/wiki/Unary except compressed more efficiently? < 1414664211 867949 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wasn't there a third brainfuck variant simliar to these, but with exclamation marks? < 1414664244 170426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Where I copied it from, though I guess you already guessed that. < 1414664283 683383 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Unary14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40720&oldid=38803 5* 03B jonas 5* (+15) 10/* See also */ < 1414664295 874758 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Unary#See_also actually links to a few others < 1414664700 669454 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414665504 868156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like unary, except compressed more efficiently, sounds like a plan. < 1414665524 543567 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1414665660 961203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Golunar is very much that, too. < 1414665786 857232 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, that, and http://esolangs.org/wiki/Unary links to http://esolangs.org/wiki/MGIFOS and http://esolangs.org/wiki/Ellipsis as well, which are all variants of the same thing < 1414665797 338818 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1414665805 402096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, though Golunar adds another layer of pointlessness. < 1414665812 172974 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel doesn't publish all bugs in its processors < 1414665824 62307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The provided converter doesn't even construct the corresponding unary string. :/ < 1414665827 479227 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :some information can only be obtained under an NDA agreement for OEMs < 1414665830 410839 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why creating new brainfuck variants should be banned < 1414665894 971482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: just more evidence for my theory that we're toast the moment the first real cyber war starts < 1414666082 390569 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty much clear, yes. < 1414666091 948213 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1414666136 918572 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it shouldn't be really hard for a country to ruin another countries economy just by doing some cyber attacks on some companies and infrastructure in that country < 1414666146 224274 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*country's < 1414666203 235815 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyber war oughta be much cheaper than conventional war? < 1414666221 138830 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Military equipment (bombs, ships, tanks) are really expensive. < 1414666264 421948 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that being said: You can have the cleverest hacker and try to hack some other bigger country < 1414666276 158812 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :chances are they won't respond with a cyber war but with a few drone strikes < 1414666292 197923 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure who's better off then. < 1414666343 34477 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by cyber war I mean "war" not the "spy" thing that's going on already anyway) < 1414666665 602879 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How do you think about cyber war? < 1414666665 756332 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: by thy leave, crono?!! you brought back my cat! thank you, crono! crono...! there was nothing i could do! we must get help from guardia kingdom, and my ultimate creation, the mighty lavos! haahahahaha! fools! i only ride with him, you are gentle, isn't he? < 1414666673 396084 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style qwantz < 1414666673 549400 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: qwantz (Dinosaur Comics transcriptions 2003-2011) < 1414666675 906839 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How do you think about cyber war? < 1414666676 72324 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the second was mental. engaged to be married to an older and handsome t-rex to confront their greatest fear: becoming separated from each other and then make a mental note, i'm going back to bed, falling asleep, and this world to get worked! < 1414666709 682642 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: there was a first and second cyber war? < 1414666709 835985 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: t-rex, that sounds like a crazy friday as weekend, why not monday too? < 1414666721 98385 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1414666721 251714 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz* sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1414666734 735428 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style discworld < 1414666734 888744 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books) < 1414666738 281688 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know what I'm doing in this vision/graphics practical < 1414666739 90889 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1414666739 622136 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: oats sat and listened. that's not what i wanted out of life. sooner or later, i've got to hand it to petulia. she spotted a gap in the things they said. < 1414666752 373722 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be saying I can use MATLAB to turn an image into some pretty graphs < 1414666759 131095 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without explaining why the graphs are useful < 1414666926 671930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1414667030 52866 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: they are pretty. that's where their usefulness lies. < 1414667092 25706 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriousness of proposition depends on which kind of class and/or department this is.) < 1414667248 101030 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: bon matin. enjoying some gapspotting? < 1414667248 294382 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: " i was only a sweeper's shrine!' and use the corpse as a swing. < 1414667301 808696 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :corpse swingin', gap spottin', shrine sweepin' fungot. < 1414667302 93797 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: he was vaguely aware that there was this about agnes's shape. it was of a huge wooden horse. more correctly, argument. < 1414667582 903246 :centrinia!~centrinia@107.208.218.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414667628 969996 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome centrinia < 1414667650 584919 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no HackEgo. < 1414667652 415470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1414667665 773913 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't we have a backup `relcome somewhere? < 1414667684 2330 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, centrinia, this is the channel for Esoteric Programming Languages! Check out our wiki at http://www.esolangs.org < 1414667695 832124 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414667697 869592 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you wanted the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net < 1414667699 514336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's better. < 1414667704 523909 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how did I do) < 1414667711 595384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Too monochromatic. < 1414667721 311934 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there is a backup welcome in fungot, but no backup relcome. < 1414667721 465220 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: " ass," said < 1414667728 884744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Don't you be giving me any lip. < 1414667729 374477 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the show must go on"! what's so special about lord hong, watching the world go by. when they were in some dark alley, his stomach was full of this big, solid men, the kind of commander who comes up with all the treasure we want,' whispered bilious. < 1414667779 196900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I tried fitting a relcome in, but the low ul/bf output length limits combined with the color codes made it inpractical. < 1414667796 690247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1414667796 843947 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 8ball < 1414667804 593283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^welcome just_testing < 1414667804 746822 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just_testing: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of es ... < 1414667824 303254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, even without colors it's incomplete. < 1414667850 619094 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you should go the myndzi way, and embrace your inner cyborg. < 1414668120 771596 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: VIRIDIAN CHICKEN < 1414668235 786053 :heroux!sandroco@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1414668270 582360 :heroux_!sandroco@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1414668356 623784 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1414670155 887521 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1414670199 290950 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1414672870 854630 :centrinia!~centrinia@107.208.218.105 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1414673662 976848 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1414673737 847675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414673816 84532 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1414673819 796324 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1414673819 949593 :kline!~kline@unaffiliated/kline QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1414673895 804292 :kline!~kline@unaffiliated/kline JOIN :#esoteric < 1414673910 204066 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1414674151 891673 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1414674483 243169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1414674554 119237 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414675407 72915 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1414676088 532344 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1414676181 91240 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1414676226 517076 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1414676283 328079 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414676462 142974 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1414676541 65245 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1414677039 8369 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1414677782 381082 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414678597 199606 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does "git add *.java" add recursively < 1414678602 902845 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "git add *.sh" does not? < 1414678715 646136 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might be using a shell that does expansions weirdly. It may expand *.java to "*.java" when no files happened to match (instead of an error) but *.sh to "foo.sh" "bar.sh" "baz.sh" when files happened to match. < 1414678780 193071 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“setopt bad_pattern” to make zsh behave nicer. < 1414678798 912920 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, setopt nomatch. < 1414680139 78596 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :git does its own globbing? >_O < 1414680153 3956 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there no depth of stupidity to which this tool will not sink? O_< < 1414680392 97675 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1414680556 448996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1414681455 68923 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1414681861 269984 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hgagsbpdcfzrcwpf JOIN :#esoteric < 1414682148 595382 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1414682935 437358 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1414684175 3683 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1 < 1414684317 543168 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1414684523 885625 :Akhu!~Akhu@151.34.3.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414684557 67541 :Akhu!~Akhu@151.34.3.164 QUIT :Client Quit < 1414684644 372751 :heroux!~heroux@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1414684730 829441 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gitorious.org/eternity-prj/eternityvision/source/524686c237f2f85c19b2e33a5ee5ca7a7a06a74d:Documentation/scheduler/sched-BFS.txt < 1414684877 216621 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: that seems to be the thing, yes < 1414685160 714669 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: why shouldn't git do globbing? < 1414685176 543530 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of exactly the problem you just found. < 1414685191 180246 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1414685194 323779 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm *.log will fail < 1414685200 584323 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have like 10K log files in a directory < 1414685200 737959 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :If two tools solve the same problem in slightly different ways and present a result that makes it nonobvious which tool solved the problem, you will blame the wrong tool for the bug. < 1414685217 244336 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because your shell will expand that to a too long command line < 1414685251 287578 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means I'd prefer if rm would just use *.log as a filter < 1414685265 567322 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that globbing in the shell can cause too-long command lines is no reason to go to the DOS dark ages of globbing @_@ < 1414685302 409894 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more important that its behavior be consistent than robust, especially when the expense is making robustness a problem for every conceivable tool rather than one. < 1414685364 280366 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all I care the OS should provide an API for that < 1414685413 640697 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with iterator style stuff < 1414685415 182513 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :The OS does provide an API for that, it's called glob(). But git wants its own globbing behavior, so it doesn't use glob(). Thus, it gets inconsistent behavior. If everyone used glob(), then the behavior would be the same, except that bugs are now spread across thousands of programs instead of one. < 1414685440 796054 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't run out of memory if you happen to have so many files that a char** of filenames wouldn't fit into memory < 1414685442 223534 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also there would be no way to explicitly name a file with stars in it) < 1414685453 328039 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1414685453 481344 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1414685474 173218 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1414685482 63005 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :some OSes don't allow * in file names anyway < 1414685483 156015 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1414685536 925813 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you mean "if everyone used glob() (from the OS)" < 1414685542 735929 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "if everyone used his own glob"? < 1414685578 905509 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the OS might allow to escape * < 1414685719 362526 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like BefungeOS < 1414685743 421297 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you running on a BefungeOS server? < 1414685743 662884 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: cohen shrugged, and shook his head, and strode away. now the best efforts of the official history?' said < 1414685910 558961 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unary < 1414685926 31004 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooknary is the same as unary but replaces 0 with Ook < 1414686619 89501 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1414687136 289326 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :promptfile->type = atoi(secondtoken); /* and convert them into */ < 1414687151 885690 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :prompt_type[prompt[i].type]); < 1414687172 661089 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the prompt-type can be 2304 < 1414687176 697331 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't this segfault? < 1414687191 890459 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :prompt_type is a char[9] < 1414687244 175433 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(first one is from L_RDPROM.C line 88) < 1414687262 76507 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :second is from L_REPORT.c:498 < 1414687356 718219 :dianne!~hianne@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Quit: ~ < 1414687378 252894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I believe git does globbing itself because the shell can't glob inside trees and such. < 1414687384 519057 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: prompt types are colors < 1414687409 983330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: not that that matters for git add. < 1414687429 677694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes some sense if you think of git(1) as providing an interface to a filesystem that the OS/shell doesn't know about. < 1414687472 598695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If everyone used glob(), then the behavior would be the same, except that bugs are now spread across thousands of programs instead of one. < 1414687475 641251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1414687477 374635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbf this isn't really very compelling < 1414687481 494491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because this is already the case with, like, getopt < 1414687487 893730 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BANCStar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40721&oldid=40718 5* 03160.85.232.177 5* (+200) 10+ prompt type < 1414687493 575160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you could say that's an argument for centralising option parsing instead, though) < 1414687504 246145 :dianne!~hianne@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric < 1414687527 601915 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PART #esoteric :"Leaving..." < 1414689710 286928 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1414691076 805584 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.4cdn.org/x/1414647728741.png < 1414691295 603375 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wrong channel. < 1414691694 874023 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1414692732 381037 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1414692781 752922 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Gregor: Similarly, I can give globs to yum in paths to whatprovides, and in package names, neither of which are accessible to the shell. You *always* need to know which program is interpreting the glob. This is why one should set failglob if using bash. < 1414692836 547667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some sympathy for Windows' model where programs get to interpret everything. < 1414692850 896280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have more sympathy for a model that moves more to the shell and lets programs hook into it better, though. < 1414692873 22513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, {bash,zsh}-completions is already a thing.) < 1414693291 601031 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-7-86.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1414693768 147048 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40722&oldid=40712 5* 0383.101.88.18 5* (+13) 10/* S */ < 1414693904 257462 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Strato14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40723&oldid=40695 5* 0383.101.88.18 5* (+42) 10 < 1414694177 547153 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1414695162 918083 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1414695738 750308 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1414696670 79568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the BANCNova documentation contains errors too. Since, I tried to figure out from looking at the printout to see what it looks like those commands would do in the given contexts. < 1414696687 537979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did not look at the LINK source.) < 1414697184 144793 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good evening, zzo38 < 1414697205 313477 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1414697218 22075 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I gotta enjoy it while it lasts: I'm still leading http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Make+24 < 1414697239 944681 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some golfer will probably easily do much shorter though < 1414697244 900038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I wrote most of a dc solution before realizing the numbers aren't always in the same order as the input. :) < 1414697277 407238 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414697319 742221 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1414697321 26650 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I think a gzipped solution will probably be shorter than mine < 1414697387 121748 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, let me see < 1414697722 115570 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1414698132 410228 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BANCStar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40724&oldid=40721 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+303) 10 < 1414698134 365557 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-7-86.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1414698411 96845 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1414698464 255658 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1414698482 270148 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm repeatedly submitting another ()[rand 3] solution < 1414698552 671127 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiting for the 1/27 chance < 1414698757 365270 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1414698831 513496 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not $$%3? < 1414698867 939581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dc solution I had picked the thing by summing all the numbers and doing vv1-v. < 1414698880 149820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's essentially sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(sum))-1). < 1414698900 33162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With a sqrt that truncates down.) < 1414698902 204416 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: right... I just realized that that's two chars shorter < 1414698904 640454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or three < 1414698950 297591 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: huh... which problem is that? euclidean norm? < 1414698958 23767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :summing what numbers? < 1414698967 230683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one you're talking about, I assume. < 1414698973 62112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make 24, and the input numbers, of course. < 1414698985 830881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :vv maps the sums of inputs to 1, 2 and 5, 1- goes to 0, 1 and 4, and the last v to 0, 1 and 2. < 1414698986 842965 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1414698992 448177 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to distinguish between the inputs < 1414698996 430652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1414699039 824893 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a previous version that basically just did $_=<>;... /3/? second input :/8/? first input : third input < 1414699041 97079 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about last number modulo 3 < 1414699068 526383 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you need the rest of the stack to be empty? < 1414699083 335242 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that because that was deterministic, later I changed to the less deterministic version < 1414699100 976596 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1414699124 271356 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1414699124 931968 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... so my zlib solution is only 10 shorter than the simple solution? funny < 1414699132 962483 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zlib sucks! I can compress almost as good < 1414699142 572239 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1414699144 126256 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's probably possible to do much better < 1414699166 276358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: That could work, too. I did a loop to stack them all in a register (and incidentally sum) so that I could easily then read them in the "right order", but as I mentioned it was assuming all the numbers appear in the same order in the solution as they do in the input. < 1414699196 385223 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-7-86.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1414699228 422966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Then I got bored.) < 1414699240 943294 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this time I did remember to check "open code statistics' < 1414699241 978724 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1414699556 670558 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:FakeASM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40725&oldid=40719 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+335) 10 < 1414703316 926839 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: You could try xz < 1414703329 902373 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if there is a convienient library for it though < 1414703943 700216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a real simple bash zcat thing since the Perl solution looked so sad alone. < 1414703983 817485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's so little to compress, xz's worse.) < 1414703993 4177 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1414704567 27276 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1414704679 720297 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1414705515 571619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414706142 731102 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, 218 for Perl without zlib (using $$) < 1414706146 849743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to store geolocation in a version 1 UUID, but might it work to just store a part of the IP address instead of a geolocation? (This part of IP address might be used to indicate the ISP) < 1414706157 286317 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I won't submit, I have no energy to compete. < 1414706277 675394 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1414706383 460482 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1414706473 139163 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FakeASM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40726&oldid=40716 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+1165) 10 < 1414706913 796561 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just take a cruise near Hawaii in 2016 < 1414706919 432154 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But long-term planning scares me < 1414706986 123075 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FakeASM14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40727&oldid=40726 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (-56) 10/* Deadfish (FakeASM 2) */ doubt that those labels were ever needed < 1414707064 99157 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1414707064 99376 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FakeASM14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40728&oldid=40727 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+105) 10adding categories < 1414707311 502910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523\unfoog < 1414707323 667412 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1414707536 171138 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1414707592 797353 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FakeASM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40729&oldid=40728 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+50) 10FakeASM2 is out < 1414707617 70621 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1414707696 377367 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FakeASM14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40730&oldid=40729 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+12) 10/* See also */ < 1414707788 617891 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1414708181 474163 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1414708818 280112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1414708942 299062 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:CosmoConsole14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40731 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+76) 10Created page with "I have nothing clever to put on my user page. == Languages == * [[FakeASM]]" < 1414709286 483454 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1414709389 981656 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1414709424 265120 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 205 now, no zlib, using $$, and using the input. < 1414709759 633180 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1414710751 403186 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whitespace support in firmware shouldn't be that hard. < 1414711465 780929 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the helloworldless hello world in haskell did get submitted < 1414711479 943361 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :73, that's a respectable score actually :P < 1414711596 315519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the one which uses lots of control codes < 1414711605 805857 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god that's horrible < 1414711666 922323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one without (and which is based on a solution in another language, is more than 100 < 1414711671 703426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+) < 1414711684 877478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-, < 1414711781 362367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's hard to do better when every _single_ output function in the Prelude, and "import", contains a forbidden character. < 1414711797 479783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do less horrible < 1414711831 491755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1414711885 99366 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the horrible solution was pretty great < 1414711910 29281 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be hard to get rid of the control characters (other than tabs) without too many extra characters. < 1414711963 710781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suddenly got an insane idea, to do this, while still using pgmF, but without escaping haskell proper < 1414711971 258229 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why goruby has a 'h' command for printing hello world < 1414711977 372010 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like a serious implementation < 1414711977 700891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely, "ghci" contains no forbidden chars < 1414711978 165656 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :henkma got Beligan Numbers in 69 characters, and fast ... I wonder how. < 1414712016 271250 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: goruby is ruby, plus an 'h' command for printing hello world < 1414712019 902277 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1414712020 83710 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few other minor changes < 1414712021 52006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and within ghci, :m _does_ allow you to load modules, and you can get things printed without functions < 1414712021 999421 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: -phmF is invoked with 2 arguments and you have to produce output in the file specified by the second one; it's not a filter < 1414712031 365377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: right hm < 1414712032 28870 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so using ghci will be hard, I think. < 1414712034 236298 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1414712048 293346 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: I see, so I guess it's not a serious ruby implementation then < 1414712058 831431 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looked like one at first glance < 1414712070 594888 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's serious in the sense that ruby is serious and it's a minor patch on ruby < 1414712099 430167 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose < 1414712101 468016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what options _do_ ghci take hm < 1414712285 185230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it seems you can only get it to load the file itself, which works fine, but not to do anything afterward < 1414712289 831113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well hm < 1414712372 590962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah even that doesn't work, because having a nonexistent file on the command line prevents it from loading the ones which do exist < 1414712390 467117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, it was an idea anyway < 1414712431 658443 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1414712480 257458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'm also wondering about the belgians < 1414712608 887033 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it's not hard to make it fast, just don't use so many "read" calls. < 1414712635 750236 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how to do that without making the program larger ... < 1414712640 237717 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know :) < 1414712804 320195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean while making it a lot _smaller_ < 1414712818 245613 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :one step at a time < 1414712877 976340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my second to last version is one char longer and the shortening does precisely that move of read from applying only to the original list chars to each "cycled" list char < 1414712903 550169 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1414712928 703513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never submitted it though, it's 73 but you had already got that < 1414713017 217654 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall you mentioning it here < 1414713047 756517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well possibly, it's not the only one i haven't bothered to submit < 1414713152 552789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it's not go ruby or anything < 1414713158 500583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's golf ruby, it's part of the official ruby distribution I think < 1414713177 717599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it got independently reinvented actually :p < 1414713188 6247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :re: the helloworldless hello world < 1414713446 863987 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1414713478 270472 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the big hint that it's possible. < 1414713537 434389 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.