< 1416096051 550837 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why ever are they doing that? < 1416096051 837508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNSSEC is nice because instead of relying on four billion master keys, any of which could be compromised by a government, it relies on one master key, which ... well, you can complete the joke < 1416096061 190590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, plus one master key per tld) < 1416096067 181576 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I like chef, it's a good esolang, but still < 1416096090 27232 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's simple enough for a beginner to pick up < 1416096094 799610 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1416096105 137612 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it gives them a chance to show some creativity < 1416096164 671136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you should maybe advertise this somewhere so people can test that it works fine for them < 1416096193 111220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I should change my wiki password < 1416096208 262817 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not_swordfish < 1416096212 673682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I might do DANE, since AIUI it doesn't need any changes to the certificate. And it'd theoretically stop $SHADY_GOVERNMENT_SUBORNED_CA from issuing fraudulent esolangs.org certificates. < 1416096223 988832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, irssi has DANE support? Bizarre. < 1416096235 962976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: pretty sure the org. and . keys can still own you? < 1416096308 87926 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the root of trust for DNSSEC? < 1416096391 306549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: a key to sign the root zone < 1416096393 650388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sure, but maybe it could hypothetically stop someone who just has one single CA browser-trusted CA in their pocket, but no feasible way of faking DNS. < 1416096403 577184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: haven't you seen the articles about their fancy international key-signing rituals < 1416096418 885508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/28/seven-people-keys-worldwide-internet-security-web < 1416096424 505188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty funny < 1416096438 450910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: okay, that's not a state actor, though :p < 1416096533 236062 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably if org. does it, they'd be issuing *real* esolang.org certificates, not fake ones. < 1416096764 36815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1416096864 756624 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416097483 948938 :myndzi!myndzi@kingofstackers.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1416097622 254376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so how long until esolangscorewwwi.onion < 1416097686 448887 :NotJoel!561bf85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.27.248.95 PART :#esoteric < 1416097751 333244 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:bc03:db0a:5a11:4430 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416097759 898439 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:bc03:db0a:5a11:4430 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1416097773 690606 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's a nice article indeed. funny how old-fashioned some of the measures are < 1416097792 421853 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a photograph of themselves with that day's newspaper and their key, to verify that all is well." -- haven't those people heard of Photoshop? < 1416097808 280736 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:9464:a873:a659:97df QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1416097809 215224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just 90% theatre. < 1416097820 126253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people want ICANN to look like they're taking it very seriously and being impartial < 1416097842 94330 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok. < 1416097856 210447 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least this show doesn't hurt anybody < 1416097857 804257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with the general dislike of them being a US-based organisation < 1416097911 255501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416097934 892808 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So where are those safety deposit boxes located? < 1416097947 671242 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not quite through yet) < 1416097971 418356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the international space station < 1416098002 784972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("In a nondescript industrial estate in El Segundo, a boxy suburb in south-west Los Angeles just a mile or two from LAX international airport, 20 people wait in a windowless canteen for a ceremony to begin.") < 1416098367 134256 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the smartcards are all on site. Is that enough to sign a key? :) < 1416098411 567655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you can break in and steal the smartcards you win, yeah. < 1416098434 9015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just rob fort knox, though? < 1416098457 712646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/2/26/1393417295297/The-Icann-office-with-a-l-009.jpg. very high tech. < 1416099074 154813 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416099366 349747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it shinh.org or my web which is stupidly slow now < 1416099380 293774 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ih oerjan < 1416099406 839602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something intermittent < 1416099412 959619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi vanila < 1416099440 298337 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think delay is essential in unlambda? < 1416099455 744392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: at least i'm not the only one who cannot see htf you get 53 bytes on that A057755 < 1416099472 20268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: you don't need it to program, no < 1416099477 695165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's often convenient. < 1416099487 641945 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate it :( < 1416099490 706753 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its too hard to implement < 1416099501 350196 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew. lucky I had that spare ssh connection ... after an upgrade new logins failed thanks to the loginuid PAM module. < 1416099532 220182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: c is much harder, and is also harder to avoid (although you _can_ do that too, i believe) < 1416099562 483012 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I didn't need to do anything special, all effort went into producing a faster-than-0.3-seconds solution. < 1416099584 644481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: also i don't think d is that hard, but the simplest way of implementing it does require you to be able to compare functions to it < 1416099617 979122 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I implemnted c using CPS tranform < 1416099640 883695 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/114355 < 1416099648 764060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well i have 2 alternative methods that are obviously faster, but i cannot get them to be as short as 53 bytes. i have one that is 53 bytes and prints in reverse :P < 1416099680 402574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: if you want to see how to implement d as a pure function, see my ocaml "compiler" < 1416099682 504120 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fanzy. < 1416099685 392897 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1416099691 118810 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks! < 1416099715 685411 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fanzy" is the fanzy way of spelling "fancy". < 1416099884 320272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the variations that use floating point get ruined by the required ceiling :8 < 1416099887 365632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:( < 1416099895 825616 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here < 1416099913 693864 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best lose 2 characters < 1416099918 129462 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, your unlambda code is really nice looking < 1416099926 736771 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you write it by hand? < 1416099934 495184 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess not < 1416099935 507560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: thanks i invented the indentation style myself, and yes < 1416099950 561607 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow!! < 1416099959 373178 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what unlambda code vanila is referring to < 1416099966 966399 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the self interpreter < 1416099976 192935 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/interpreter.unl < 1416099984 443034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe the lambda expressions i expanded it from were given in the comments < 1416100030 395945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky my website is working again, i have been seeing motd's from the server people that the user page server was down < 1416100055 889710 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1416100110 754300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: i think if you strip my interpreter of whitespace and comments, it's the shortest unlambda self interpreter out there, i don't think it would have been that if i used a generator < 1416100115 861796 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1416100135 398970 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty much the obvious indentation style < 1416100136 145177 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so cool :D < 1416100141 850147 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416100203 727547 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION used to use a lambda elimination tool for snippets (like ^v `^v `$F `$G $v `$H $v) < 1416100222 241670 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not for complete programs < 1416100249 85192 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :however I never wrote anything more exciting than quines in Unlambda. < 1416100253 574328 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda seems too long < 1416100256 185692 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer a minimal language < 1416100273 566751 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many weird operators < 1416100283 676932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazy k? < 1416100285 772600 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it's minimize < 1416100315 702384 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: its existence is justified by d(elay) and c(all/cc), which are mindbending to use in practice. < 1416100340 422197 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, its I/O is quite awful. < 1416100349 801350 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose unlambda can't be lazy or you'd have to use monad for IO < 1416100353 885774 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the I < 1416100355 666866 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that would get really stupid < 1416100364 809929 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so d is kind of acceptable... but i don't like it... < 1416100377 754231 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :c is fine < 1416100378 719943 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: it's there to break you, not to be liked! < 1416100381 676628 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :v is pointless < 1416100386 469341 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont like v at all < 1416100396 874855 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :v is amazing in conjunction with call/cc < 1416100413 546339 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can consume a continuation before it can be applied to anything else < 1416100417 499760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, lazy k is a language. but you probably know that) < 1416100436 897571 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, you can express it using s and k, but the same holds for i) < 1416100463 768186 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.75.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416100515 861747 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.74.188 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1416100606 358837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i used a lambda elimination tool for snippets too, but iirc it was mainly to check my hand elimination < 1416100626 98385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the ulify2.scm in the same directory) < 1416100630 776103 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I read about unlambda i learned that refcounting is effective for it < 1416100644 358102 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there is no cycles < 1416100648 946035 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I really like that < 1416100666 559258 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: yay for strict languages < 1416100696 215682 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to write a compiler for lambda + some?? things for practice at writing compilres which can use ref counting for GC < 1416100974 664302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the unlambda input system is obviously an attempt to force people to actually _use_ c when programming it. as i've mentioned before, i _think_ you can avoid it, but you'll essentially be CPS transforming instead. < 1416101038 668686 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that part (using i/v for booleans) is ok; what I dislike is the proliferation of ? and . operators, rather than splitting things up into bits. < 1416101052 768479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1416101072 241462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that meant i had to use an entire character table in the self interpreter < 1416101082 113295 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1416101235 855662 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1416101280 416405 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416101645 433922 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1416102638 361994 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1416102688 728864 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416102957 299656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: gah now i have a 53 byte solution that is slightly wrong on the last two numbers :( < 1416103272 521742 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/slightly // ;-) < 1416103307 283598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly means that they're close to the right numbers. < 1416103317 862861 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. But... < 1416103327 608163 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't help you in any way. < 1416103339 784393 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it, int-e? doesn't it < 1416103419 454360 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what Bike is getting at. < 1416103681 729067 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1416103700 477434 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416103758 574178 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help, my wikipedia user page redirects to the High Middle Ages < 1416103772 389429 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And has done so since 2008 < 1416103792 551535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you might check it out occasionally, you know. < 1416103836 61585 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't zzo here < 1416103852 454832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote mystery < 1416103859 331533 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :363) as i was filled with zzo38 mystery at the moment i saw quintopia: I am at Canada. < 1416103875 868413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was last here on the 14th < 1416103965 685335 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In an article about cocoa bean shortages: "R-6 was celebrated for its nutty and woody notes, with undertones of brown fruit and chocolate." < 1416103974 471346 :olsner_!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se NICK :olsner < 1416103988 28822 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chocolate (which apparently has different flavors?) can have undertones of chocolate? < 1416103990 915652 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am very confused < 1416103997 683325 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-14/to-save-chocolate-scientists-develop-new-breeds-of-cacao.html < 1416104009 180360 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :scientist have saved choclate! < 1416104025 758990 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :science rocks < 1416104112 513171 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1416104276 482449 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-11-60.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416104328 488512 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1416104474 487829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think it's memoised <-- no, absolutely not. < 1416104494 105271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have been weirder if it did, i guess. but also less useful. < 1416104500 254061 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-11-60.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1416104547 410248 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1416104594 930059 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416104637 619931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : there's more quines in unlambda than there are any other programs <-- that's because they held a competition. < 1416104667 62490 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1416104769 149934 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1416104830 961028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally the shortest one isn't optimal, i discovered. < 1416104839 135596 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.madore.org/~david/programs/unlambda/#quine < 1416104902 321761 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1416104905 20997 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :he gave away SICP for it < 1416105016 419797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it contains `kv which can be shortened to just v, also removing the corresponding part in the "string representation") < 1416105072 420144 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unlambda `.ai < 1416105072 946368 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: unlambda: not found < 1416105094 338515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! unlambda `.ai < 1416105097 81720 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1416105111 768514 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/! < 1416105112 253253 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ CMD=`echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f1` \ ARG=`echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f2-` \ exec ibin/$CMD "$ARG" < 1416105133 321298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's the interface to all the stuff transplanted from EgoBot < 1416105144 257076 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ibin rather than bin < 1416105163 307836 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! unlambda `.i````ss``s`k`s.i``s`k`ki|``s``s|.```s``s|..``s``s|.i``s``s|.```s``s|.```s``s|.```s``s|.```s``s|.s``s``s|.s``s``s|.```s``s|.```s``s|.s``s``s|.```s``s|.k``s``s|.```s``s|.s``s``s|..``s``s|.i``s``s|.```s``s|.```s``s|.s``s``s|.```s``s|.k``s``s|.```s``s|.k``s``s|.i``s``s|.|i``s``s|.```s``s|.```s``s|.s``s``s|.```s``s|.```s``s|.s``s``s|.|``s``s|.. < 1416105163 927776 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​./interps/unlambda/unlambda.bin: file /tmp/input.290: parse error < 1416105176 946174 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bini < 1416105177 688272 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access bini: No such file or directory < 1416105182 898752 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls ibin < 1416105183 566357 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l \ 2l \ adjust \ asm \ axo \ bch \ befunge \ befunge98 \ bf \ bf16 \ bf32 \ bf8 \ bf_txtgen \ boolfuck \ c \ cintercal \ clcintercal \ cxx \ dimensifuck \ forth \ glass \ glypho \ haskell \ help \ java \ k \ kipple \ lambda \ lazyk \ linguine \ malbolge \ pbrain \ perl \ qbf \ rail \ rhotor \ sadol \ sceql \ sh \ trigger \ udage01 \ underload \ u < 1416105189 75000 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls ibin/u* < 1416105189 724778 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access ibin/u*: No such file or directory < 1416105194 735249 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls ibin/u* < 1416105195 366231 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ibin/udage01 \ ibin/underload \ ibin/unlambda < 1416105215 986578 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :udage? < 1416105216 188487 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's just plain Unlambda, no Unlambda 2. < 1416105222 943547 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`udage01 < 1416105223 461152 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: udage01: not found < 1416105230 806026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: not at all < 1416105241 76998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is your program got cut off < 1416105260 684692 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! unlambda `.i````ss``s`k`s.i``s`k`ki|``s``s|.```s``s|..``s``s|.i``s``s|.```s``s|.```s``s|.```s``s|.```s``s|.s``s``s|.s``s``s|.```s``s|.```s``s|.s``s``s|.```s``s|.k``s``s|.```s``s|.s``s``s|..``s``s|.i``s``s|.```s``s|.```s``s|.s``s``s|.```s``s|.k``s``s|.```s``s|.k``s``s|.i``s``s|.|i``s``s|.```s``s|.```s``s|.s``s``s|.```s``s|.```s``s|.s``s``s|.|``s``s|..i < 1416105261 248412 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`.i````ss``s`k`s.i``s`k`ki|``s``s|.```s``s|..``s``s|.i``s``s|.```s``s|.```s``s|.```s``s|.```s``s|.s``s``s|.s``s``s|.```s``s|.```s``s|.s``s``s|.```s``s|.k``s``s|.```s``s|.s``s``s|..``s``s|.i``s``s|.```s``s|.```s``s|.s``s``s|.```s``s|.k``s``s|.```s``s|.k``s``s|.i``s``s|.|i``s``s|.```s``s|.```s``s|.s``s``s|.```s``s|.```s``s|.s``s``s|.|``s``s|..i < 1416105272 672006 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I selected too little in my terminal < 1416105310 590006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1416105390 244093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is this another quine not in the distribution < 1416105411 474689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy misuse of | < 1416105421 545876 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall sending David Madore a mail once, but never received a reply. < 1416105449 907415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall doing that twice, once for my self interpreter and once for my intercal interpreter < 1416105513 55332 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a moment I interpreted that as "Self interpreter" < 1416105518 227797 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in the Smalltalk dialect < 1416105526 670202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1416105548 589341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's his loss. < 1416105623 592926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably he completely lost interest, seeing as that unlambda 3 message has been there for over a decade. < 1416105867 683846 :kcm1700_!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416106057 808820 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1416106136 199010 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416106182 673720 :kcm1700_!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1416106235 865504 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1416106311 208579 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416106580 38204 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is how I feel when I play with lisp https://i.imgur.com/RqI9ncI.jpg < 1416106666 498762 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lll < 1416106789 210336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how I feel when I play with intercal https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Avenger_-_Westphalian_horse.jpg < 1416106792 582526 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :lIl? < 1416106822 355457 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh it's a horse -3- < 1416106851 75590 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulnes what the < 1416106870 45958 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you elaborate on that picture?! < 1416106877 336116 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1416106877 546048 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/its-cover.png me when lisp < 1416106908 528754 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it's from a video < 1416106937 418204 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ61q4oN7x0 < 1416106964 188283 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's cool but also how does it connect with your feelings about lisp < 1416106969 349868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how I feel when I play with noit o' mnain worb https://i.imgur.com/C0BUG.jpg < 1416106972 343438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I doing this right < 1416107027 215576 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just whenever I use it, I just go crazy with it just like that video < 1416107052 876 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh haha < 1416107074 183784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this video does not seem to contain the image you linked at all < 1416107120 473804 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sure doesn't i watched the whole thing to make sure < 1416107146 998098 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah it's part of a post < 1416107176 652524 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways I have to go my friend is calling me to LE kitchen < 1416107182 756844 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: so how many cars have you wrecked by programming lisp when you should've paid attention to the road? :P < 1416107203 513303 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1416107204 172521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: not as many as cdrs < 1416107248 868507 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1416107278 350364 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I stumbled upon A000012 < 1416107281 998266 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis A000012 < 1416107283 75821 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The simplest sequence of positive numbers: the all 1's sequence.[1,1,1,1,1,1... < 1416107292 398097 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That has to be the silliest sequence on OEIS. < 1416107344 820180 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp, hmm. I once made the mistake of assuming that Common Lisp is Lisp, rather than an least common denominator of Lisp implementation. Common Lisp fails to acknowledge that there's a large body of Fortran (well, I wanted C) libraries out there that people might want to use; there's no inkling of FFI. So I discounted Lisp at the time. Now I've discovered Haskell, and frankly, to me that means it's too late for Lisp to make... < 1416107350 819586 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...much of an impression at all. < 1416107404 970651 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 0,0,0,0, < 1416107412 104661 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 0,0,0,0 < 1416107412 733198 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The partial sums give the natural numbers" shocking < 1416107413 529918 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp is a procedural language with an horrible syntax, nasty scopes and horrible macroes. < 1416107425 71187 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 0 0 0 0 < 1416107427 900344 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `oeis' failed with: <> < 1416107428 553225 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expansion of Jacobi theta function theta_3(x) = Sum_{m = -infinity..infinity... < 1416107470 907876 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the iterated partial sums give the binomial coefficients < 1416107481 937897 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: including the triangle numbers! < 1416107503 345868 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I find this useful, actually) < 1416107527 852115 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (take 4) (iterate (scanl1 (+)) (repeat 1)) < 1416107529 209167 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1,1,1,1],[1,2,3,4],[1,3,6,10],[1,4,10,20],[1,5,15,35],[1,6,21,56],[1,7,28,... < 1416107538 554419 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty neat < 1416107556 39437 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a(n) is also the number of complete graphs on n nodes." heh < 1416107563 467391 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@2602:30a:c021:220:648e:eea6:4315:10fe JOIN :#esoteric < 1416107610 780660 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what, it's also the number of permutations of the numbers 1..n that are sorted in increasing order. < 1416107635 475474 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also shocking < 1416107654 673643 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that sequence was added on some April 1st. < 1416107683 927171 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: AGILE CHICKEN < 1416107686 853414 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the sequence while searching for square-free composites, because both of those keywords are mentioned in the list of silly properties of a(n) < 1416108058 248095 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1416108068 207128 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1416108102 26438 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416108222 969062 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Unlambda14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41014&oldid=33851 5* 03212.95.7.185 5* (-4) 10Fix link < 1416108358 596039 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh time passes. That 344 character Unlambda 2 quine is 10 years old. < 1416108518 379006 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Unlambda14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41015&oldid=41014 5* 03212.95.7.185 5* (-13) 10Update link: follow redirect < 1416109401 177778 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna feel old? this unlambda 2 quine just voted for rick santorum < 1416109592 217409 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember when unlambda was big < 1416109597 424385 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i recall dukakis was running < 1416109603 531950 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for governor < 1416109746 851050 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, from 100% disk usage to 95% in 23 simple key presses: 'tune2fs /dev/sdc1 -m 0'. < 1416109778 170074 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is an external drive. No system critical log files are stored there.) < 1416109864 934395 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1416109878 761514 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416110318 255020 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: FWIW, I believe the Republicans are generally against lowering the minimum voting age. < 1416110696 869409 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why ... does systemd have the audacity to use the kernel message buffer for its useless information? sigh... < 1416111661 819996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Zzzz < 1416111663 724785 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1416111705 664626 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416111907 443615 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1416114294 865054 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1416115098 672661 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rtlrddrrsfskwakj JOIN :#esoteric < 1416115589 479476 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416115840 25906 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.75.185 QUIT :Quit: What year is it!? < 1416116309 38308 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416116842 257131 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://perlhacks.com/2014/01/dots-perl/ god, what the hell < 1416118101 167476 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1416118469 700908 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1416118718 257188 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh god what the fuck < 1416118961 810480 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@2602:30a:c021:220:648e:eea6:4315:10fe QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416119277 362707 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1416119358 364794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have played a Dungeons&Dragons game today, and I am now working on write recording of it. < 1416120002 586519 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1416120015 509620 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1416120017 462375 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1416120081 822968 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yikes. http://www.clickykeyboards.com/index.cfm/fa/items.main/parentcat/9244/subcatid/0/id/585221 < 1416120089 506906 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416120111 452368 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416120117 281833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think a bat can steal a magic wand in complete darkness while someone is in the middle of casting a spell with it? < 1416120226 726910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 589 < 1416120227 472203 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 589: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1416120228 124413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 58 < 1416120228 824747 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 58: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1416120278 66460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: hm? < 1416120296 409340 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: experienced sticker shock. < 1416120322 634214 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd kinda like a keyboard with a built in pointing device, but didn't expect that particular price ... < 1416120330 782228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: try unicomp < 1416120337 942985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they manufacture new Model Ms etc. < 1416120341 944054 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly will, yeah. < 1416120347 685157 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still deciding. < 1416120351 770261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :buying rarities is always gonna be expensive < 1416120371 828075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if you have experience with buckling spring but IME it's kind of awful compared to lighter mechanical switches < 1416120399 693698 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I grew up with a buckling spring AT. :) < 1416120417 598164 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like a lot of the Cherry switches I've tried so far because they're too shallow. < 1416120419 902058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: http://pckeyboard.com/page/category/EnduraPro $99 < 1416120434 431898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Model F has really cool switches I think < 1416120436 885838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not the same as Model M < 1416120440 816885 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I've seen those. < 1416120443 1270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Model F = AT keyboard) < 1416120446 626351 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1416120459 284209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the unicomps are pretty much identical to what IBM used to sell, FWIW < 1416120489 877395 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416120495 327836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I couldn't bring myself to buy a keyboard with a numpad ever again < 1416120495 695805 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I've been told. Probably if I'm not getting anything 'special' it's the smarter play. < 1416120531 848365 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to swear by them until I moved to Finland and started using Finnish keyboards. < 1416120547 35609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use a laptop. < 1416120563 932045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scissor switches are a lot better than rubber domes, at least. < 1416120573 920976 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all use the , for the decimal, but that just gets in the way whenever I have to type in English. < 1416120602 69740 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I am trialling the Curve Comfort and the rubbery keys are just gross. < 1416120624 892218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Foldable_keyboard.jpg have you ever wanted to live in that one dali painting < 1416120645 596625 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, yeah, I've used one of those. < 1416120698 604338 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only they'd made more of the split one. < 1416120710 6253 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the functions for adjusting floating point behavior different on Windows and Linux? < 1416120799 620119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: clearly get a datahand < 1416120803 772498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has a pointing device < 1416120807 459110 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1416120815 15116 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a libc thing < 1416120817 385336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus: costs way more than that IBM model < 1416120819 821335 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to do stuff from Rust < 1416120864 540635 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: About on par with the split model-M, looks like. :/ < 1416120882 865150 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ebay.com/itm/DataHand-Professional-II-Ergonomic-keyboard-/281497842360?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item418a9432b8 < 1416120923 780627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did split model Ms? < 1416120946 634120 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very rare, only 1,000 made. http://www.clickykeyboards.com/index.cfm/fa/categories.main/parentcat/12675 < 1416120956 236534 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last one to come up on eBay went for $1600. < 1416120980 38355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like they literally just sawed a keyboard in two < 1416121004 787631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like you can't separate the two halves very much? meh < 1416121043 456558 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do i get stuff to out < 1416121055 8846 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Output threads* < 1416121090 487774 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am thoroughly confuzzled < 1416121136 983804 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1416121167 195525 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh. This looks nice: https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=pfu_keyboards,hhkbpro2&pid=pdkb400b < 1416121296 578732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has topre switches < 1416121309 813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're even further away from buckling springs than cherry switches are < 1416121327 416503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://elitekeyboards.com/proddata/images/topreswitch405.png < 1416121343 786152 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also expensive, and not likely to show up in a shop any time soon for my to try one ... < 1416121356 239900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the HHKBs are pretty popular < 1416121388 324015 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do u need a fancy keyboard? < 1416121415 285038 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just get a keyboard like if it works ill buy it < 1416121437 167390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: are you a markov chain bot or something < 1416121456 960525 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1416121476 744620 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean Elliot < 1416121503 547203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1416121518 261539 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric ::1 please tell < 1416121530 151851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it was too rude to explain :p < 1416121537 288567 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you think u was a bot < 1416121550 966957 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah its ok i think < 1416121551 896869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already know I'm a bot. < 1416121554 737048 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: I get cramping and pain in my fingers from the impact on cheaper keyboards; and it's been getting worse lately. I tend to do better with something with a deep keystroke (or a really shallow one once I get used to it). < 1416121567 444449 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ergo is a plus too because wrist pain. < 1416121581 822044 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you slouch? < 1416121597 431842 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit, and I'm working on that. < 1416121603 56905 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I slouch a lot :/ < 1416121638 748664 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like sit up straight and angle your hands down < 1416121643 360750 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OH wow, the IBM split thing isn't just a simple hinge. It's like a knobby thing, adjusts vertically and horizontally. < 1416121648 829613 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dansdata.com/clicky2.htm < 1416121660 83926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: you could get a kinesis advantage or something < 1416121662 339505 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slouching encourages a hunch < 1416121664 961174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has cherry mx browns < 1416121674 427608 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, I'm considering one of those as well. < 1416121710 490310 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend just bought the big weird one, with the two bowls, because he's been hacking for years and it's really starting to get to him < 1416121721 6460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't wait until I'm old and have to worry about ergonomics from all my years of slouching and bad typing < 1416121742 988340 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ < 1416121769 267508 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I get a job at google again I'm going to actually set up my desk ergonomics properly < 1416121780 927145 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only 32. :/ But weak wrists run in my family. Both my parents developed wrist problems relatively young too. < 1416121783 678836 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now I'm kind of boned because the university doesn't care < 1416121796 615779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: you're over 1.5x my age :p < 1416121804 963067 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at home I have non-adjustable furniture that I don't use anyway because I'm terrible and mostly compute from my bed < 1416121825 2551 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, and the IBM split is seperatable. < 1416121826 475010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same. I'm the laziest person < 1416121829 961530 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: i usually use a touch screen tablet keyboard for my comouter but if i ever want to type fast i use a keyboard that has uplifted key borders so you dont accidently hit the wrong key when you type < 1416121877 535674 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its very comfy < 1416121922 626510 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also computer chairs are on my list i have one that is just like asking you to slouch < 1416122014 57559 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow. Speaking of keyboards being 'sawn in half': https://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/maxim-for-pc/ < 1416122090 572943 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. Magic is BAD. < 1416122097 740974 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont even < 1416122110 660344 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where do i go with this keyboard < 1416122232 420035 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm preparing a LaTeX document. When I added an appendix, all labels of figures and chapter numbers obtained an extra . at the end. Turns out this is supposed to implement a former rule in the german orthography.) < 1416122280 549909 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy. (This is the scrbook style, from KOMA-script. There's an option to switch this behavior off, fortunately.) < 1416122301 449160 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it took quite some time to figure it out. < 1416122399 886830 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1416122447 916081 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: wait wha.... < 1416122586 915492 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, KOMA-Script is a German standard, as I understand it. < 1416122612 168809 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just has so many cool features that it's useful for a lot of other stuff as well. ;) < 1416122715 808561 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the rule implemented is, if there's any section label containing a letter (like A.1) then *all* section labels obtain a trailing dot, throughout the document. This isn't too bad for sections (I didn't even notice it there), but Figure 1.1.: Caption looks just awful. < 1416122824 545715 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm using a style that's built on top of KOMA-script, so at the point where I should've looked for the documentation I was already digging in style files... < 1416122860 133245 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and class files) < 1416123122 184025 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my last book was gonna be in KOMA-Script before I cancelled it. < 1416123122 348536 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1416123158 155008 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should order one of those Cherry samplers, see if there's one of the switch types I do like. < 1416123181 508248 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly I've only tried the 'gaming keyboards' and they tend to use the linear switches instead of clicky/bumpy ones. < 1416123186 752608 :m724!~m724@78.39.217.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416123269 381914 :m724!~m724@78.39.217.2 QUIT :Client Quit < 1416124821 561360 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1416125242 47909 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, neat. Unicomp still makes APL keyboards. < 1416125613 125327 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1416125756 134054 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1416125937 819019 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1416126611 504692 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1416128042 492631 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what that means, right < 1416129128 585760 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1416129464 900901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1416130132 590557 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq ) {5 4 3 2 1 9 8}6{?d?d==}LO < 1416130133 853824 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :{4 2} < 1416131473 410348 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-myldztbrgvubnemn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1416133235 444476 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahaha. The Wikipedia page for the Shakespeare esolang has Inform-7 in the 'see also' section. :D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare_(programming_language) < 1416133567 938993 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@63.41.189.80.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416133568 823294 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@63.41.189.80.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Changing host < 1416133568 967114 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1416133713 932526 :S1!~S1@p4FF93555.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1416134414 451105 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Main Page14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41016&oldid=40927 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+267) 10/* Tom's idea */ new section < 1416134449 799985 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand frac() < 1416134473 465105 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to find valid small values of p here: frac(250 / (p*fps)) > 0.5 where 40 <= fps <= 45 < 1416134491 115003 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That where is a forall < 1416134509 363650 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fps is a variable, not f*p*s < 1416134573 158993 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I know p=8 works, and there's a bunch of other easy to find large values for p < 1416134704 504559 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order for frac(250/a) and frac(250/b) not to something between a and b, the difference between a and b must... not... something? < 1416134721 943846 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dimensions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41017&oldid=41005 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+112) 10Appears to be the Author's intention. < 1416134776 602128 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Dimensions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41018&oldid=41011 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+98) 10/* Proof of Turing-completeness */ < 1416135103 142359 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually only interested in values of p of the form 2^n where n is an integer in [-23, 3], so I could just test all of those with code, I ... no I can't, can't easily check that there are no values in between 40 and 45 that don't make it flip over < 1416135549 972405 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I could just check both values and see if the whole portion is the same and frac of both is > 0.5 < 1416137490 890634 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-148.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1416137667 25403 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :|250/40p - 250/45p| < 1/2 gives the trivial lower bound p > 25/18 < 1416137871 808141 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The actual solution is when 250/40p < 4, so p > 25/16) < 1416138233 558495 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay. Well, I finished the basic definitions for my BASIC-inspired Racket/Lisp dialect, but it's unusable because I can't figure out the module system at all. < 1416138411 535426 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: um, how about scheme r7rs module system? < 1416138484 942752 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My macros aren't being provided properly, and I can't figure out why, and without that it's useless for anything but playing around in the REPL. < 1416138503 542140 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :export them < 1416138507 278863 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and import them < 1416138598 127542 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried that. < 1416138623 165091 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also tried two different methods for the #lang s-expr (which is what I want to do) and they don't work either. :P < 1416138889 32334 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1416139808 910670 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.65.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416140486 349797 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: ww. you did leapfrogging in Burlesque? < 1416140488 568950 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wow < 1416140606 194444 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.65.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, It was easier than I thought (didn't look to golf my code at all though.) < 1416140697 537640 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.65.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, MNNBFSL might be pretty well suited to implement in Burlesque. < 1416140820 441207 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.65.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, you mentioned that burlesque was going to be Object Oriented (if ircc)? < 1416141027 196550 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.65.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsqbot "214365879"ln{JPpL[ro{48.+L[pPjFi}m[0-.+]2CO{<-{.-}r[}m[J{{{0.>}'>{0<.}'<}cn[-}m[jJ2CO{{.*}r[1.<}m[0+]j)abz[{q.+r[}m[z[{{_+}r[}m[++Q}m[p^ < 1416141212 770613 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416141363 39472 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.65.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1416141468 791762 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.179 NICK :AndoDaan < 1416141513 317821 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: I'm not sure yet @oop < 1416141529 9823 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can define functions though < 1416141540 738351 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq %square={^^.*} 9 %square! < 1416141541 106750 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 81 < 1416141736 281403 :S1!~S1@p4FF93555.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1416141759 408427 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq ?? < 1416141759 661298 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "Burlesque - 1.7.4.dev" < 1416141850 674014 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. wow, that will probably ease a lot. < 1416141925 431404 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and variables < 1416141933 794734 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric : !blsq %a{999} %a! < 1416141939 744506 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 99s0{g0}e! < 1416141940 619 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 99 < 1416142002 455943 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, just tried using a function as a variable. < 1416142022 319629 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your way is probably better... < 1416142042 568869 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1 8.+ < 1416142042 797773 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 9 < 1416142120 127405 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 99s0{g0}e! < 1416142120 327452 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 99 < 1416142131 511324 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 99s0{g0} g0 e! < 1416142131 749536 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (e!) Invalid arguments! < 1416142131 892444 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 99 < 1416142131 892574 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {BlsqGet "0"} < 1416142157 569548 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq s0 < 1416142157 783074 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | That line gave me an error < 1416142191 930348 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 15s0{g0} < 1416142192 129017 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {BlsqGet "0"} < 1416142199 509465 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 15s0{g1} < 1416142199 708933 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {BlsqGet "1"} < 1416142210 500181 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 15s1{g1} < 1416142210 700961 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {BlsqGet "1"} < 1416142217 802458 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, no idea. < 1416142612 262162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re recent submission, didn't much golf that either. < 1416142710 119490 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have at last got Heresy working. < 1416142717 690998 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next will have to come actually documenting it. < 1416142734 356262 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, and still a full 50char less than mine. < 1416142751 673864 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm terrible at golfing. < 1416142776 97614 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... you guys are at the top of your game. < 1416143103 321157 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey, I wrote a deadfish interpreter in python yesterday, soo... < 1416143148 468248 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, don't know how to make that impressive. < 1416143375 624445 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :< J_Arcane> Oooh. This looks nice: https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=pfu_keyboards,hhkbpro2&pid=pdkb400b – That looks kinda useless because it has control where the left third-level shift has to be. < 1416144022 387606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit hyperbolic to call a keyboard useless for one design choice < 1416144033 821565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1416144145 607377 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, unless the design choice is something like it not having keys < 1416144627 672934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -v < 1416144629 424812 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ This is perl 5, version 14, subversion 2 (v5.14.2) built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi \ (with 88 registered patches, see perl -V for more detail) \ \ Copyright 1987-2011, Larry Wall \ \ Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or the \ GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 5 source kit < 1416144639 44023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e ... < 1416144639 778332 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unimplemented at -e line 1. < 1416144654 265309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1416144683 657875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pearl-e gates < 1416144688 161317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1416144689 302840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*perl < 1416144852 903107 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh huh, it doesn’t have the key to the right of left shift anyway, which is also necessary … and a few other important keys have moved to hard-to-reach locations. < 1416144948 173796 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have looked more closely before complaining about the most obvious thing. < 1416145346 8353 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-126-44-103.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1416145474 761865 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-126-44-103.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1416145497 458176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. I'm sure J_Arcane would find it literally impossible to use because it doesn't have keys you personally care about. < 1416145505 229258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(p.s., in a US layout, the key to the right of left shift is "z") < 1416145505 595843 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1416145526 708738 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a Finnish keyboard, it's <. < 1416145529 121068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also doesn't have a numpad or f keys!!11 < 1416145536 321261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a PS/2 cable (probably?) < 1416145623 875275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use US keyboards because I dislike the weird large enter keys. < 1416145648 644050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have gotten used to the placement of @ and ". and want a $ key more than a pound sign < 1416145667 840449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which I mean a pound sterling sign, and not what americans call a pound sign, which is #... < 1416145995 238972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Minor Burlesque documentation issue: [~ is documented to work only on blocks or ints, even though it seems to work also on strings, like ~] and [- and -]. < 1416146153 788080 :S1!~S1@pD9FCAA33.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1416146204 261469 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-126-44-103.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1416146303 504764 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-126-44-103.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1416147226 700987 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1416147350 665636 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1416147522 308265 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1416147745 471343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that dmm has gone a bit fruitcake < 1416147793 804881 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1416147805 60004 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I was wondering how come you're so good at esolang stuff < 1416147831 892430 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you work very hard but maybe you also discovered the crystal orb or something? < 1416147979 282211 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other fun programming news, Github arbitrarily switched lexers for syntax highlighting, and now half the languages on there are broken ... < 1416148000 192913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: i've always been good at math stuff. < 1416148094 209184 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-znjqikkzwgjehfgo JOIN :#esoteric < 1416148334 952247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolanging is basically about building a device with building blocks out of pure logic. < 1416148372 28478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more abstract than ordinary programming, but less abstract than heavy math. < 1416148398 990806 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm! < 1416148532 719313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with no essential sharp border to either side. < 1416148626 137058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION did not know fruitcake had slided to that meaning in the us. < 1416148673 918239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*slid < 1416148840 922625 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1416149416 921904 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.179 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1416149834 206366 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really hate Markdown right now. < 1416149897 802373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: I always hate it < 1416149912 721325 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mostly, it's not even markdown's fault, but the fault of those who misuse it < 1416150000 988221 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.69.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416150008 535673 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.69.212 PART :#esoteric < 1416150015 225331 :q3k!~q3k@q3k.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1416150046 879510 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFS, GH Markdown can't even handle fucking newlines sanely. < 1416150053 58985 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is patently idiotic. < 1416150097 42916 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.69.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416150403 460005 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, this is what I did this week. https://github.com/jarcane/heresy < 1416150648 304455 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane, http://lpaste.net/114398 < 1416150702 915189 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? Code translating to C? < 1416150707 79065 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1416150718 304686 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im looking at HERESY < 1416150859 327753 :S1!~S1@pD9FCAA33.dip0.t-ipconnect.de NICK :S0 < 1416150978 652453 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahaha! My package does work. :D < 1416151014 503837 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1416151019 252804 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole thing is just macros < 1416151030 628040 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes the implementation so short and to the point < 1416151034 965057 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1416151045 741774 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just an excuse to practice macro writing more than anything. < 1416151062 680891 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know a really cool macro system is called CK macros < 1416151065 433330 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might be interested in it < 1416151088 66145 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://okmij.org/ftp/Scheme/macros.html < 1416151178 930245 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting. Think my brain's a little fried to make much sense out of that right now. < 1416151561 559803 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses syntax-rules to make a new macro system based on interpreting code < 1416151601 199153 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1416151645 70356 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rtlrddrrsfskwakj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1416151728 661693 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: Nifty. < 1416151777 977898 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do kinda like Racket's macro system, now that I've had some time with it. The pattern matching is v. powerful and made something like this mostly easy, right up until it didn't go easy, and then figuring out why can be a nightmare for a noob. < 1416151807 85131 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, the workarounds needed to do BREAK and CARRY with a hygienic macro system were a pain in the arse. < 1416153032 224351 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1416153375 334130 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416153440 972568 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1416153516 460460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Bataais14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41019&oldid=40853 5* 03Bataais 5* (-100) 10Blanked the page < 1416154637 944692 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does a reduced set of residues differ from a set of units? < 1416155196 924151 :S0!~S1@pD9FCAA33.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S0 < 1416155298 137780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: just independently evolved terminology? < 1416155316 215429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1416155334 415021 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1416155548 873902 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Heresy really qualifies as an esolang. Other than the insane inspiration, it's pretty useable and normal. < 1416155815 72033 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1416155878 296571 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: what "Heresy"? < 1416155899 92388 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/jarcane/heresy < 1416156073 350251 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1416156081 161095 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that's what it was called < 1416156116 399906 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... < 1416156123 934485 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the set! builtin? < 1416156129 874063 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's basic-inspired, it has to have that < 1416156139 615179 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this doesn't seem very eso < 1416156145 496473 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it also says functional < 1416156162 121853 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha rem as a form < 1416156184 399352 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: IT doesn't have one. :D < 1416156232 406159 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it have a basic-like do-while loop then? how do you even use that without mutable storage? < 1416156302 43677 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you call the body repeatedly with a new parameter. < 1416156315 687654 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's how a scheme-like do loop works < 1416156328 337998 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly just to be able to run a REPL, but it's lack of carry support is an oversight. < 1416156329 175959 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: but this one doesn't appear to work like that < 1416156334 317290 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it does < 1416156341 990561 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1416156348 818901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe... but then the description is confusing < 1416156350 630152 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under the hood, it *is* a scheme do loop. < 1416156381 217288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: it is impure because of input despite having no mutable storage, right? < 1416156385 388556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*input/output < 1416156394 765778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it access files? you can use them for mutable state if you really have to < 1416156395 17215 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR rather, a (let loop ... (loop)) construction with a break function (yay exit continuations!) < 1416156440 519549 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think that would be technically true; there's no file I/O yet though, just basic print and input; haven't gotten to external IO. That is one reason why I backed off from using the word 'pure' anywhere in the docs. :D < 1416156510 808027 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: but then its description is strange < 1416156512 678818 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1416156534 193897 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, well, it's cut and pasted from the code comments (which are a little out of date. < 1416156544 941244 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll rewrite in a moment. < 1416156555 768255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: thanks < 1416156560 514090 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also isn't "lisp but basic" logo < 1416156567 159082 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that this is much like logo at all, ofc < 1416156568 786017 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: maybe also add some examples if you can make it work < 1416156577 684661 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hehe < 1416156587 843375 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I have a 99 bottles and a Fact example, but some better ones would be nice. < 1416156627 713284 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fn fact 0 = 1 < 1416156675 644610 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh. OK. < 1416156679 642410 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll fix that. < 1416156736 262817 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed the docs and the fact example. Thanks for the pointers! < 1416156752 667284 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, my mouse just broke. So that's fun. < 1416156857 312311 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@172-2-16-34.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416156888 348849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: good excuse to buy one of those keyboards < 1416156917 134627 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1416157163 810079 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416157181 25137 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1416157840 452838 :serika!~serika@unaffiliated/serika JOIN :#esoteric < 1416157950 193036 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hallo < 1416157978 205198 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bon matin! < 1416158189 867886 :serika!~serika@unaffiliated/serika PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1416158265 627999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Bye! < 1416158393 133208 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive JOIN :#esoteric < 1416158588 98609 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1416158709 889193 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1416159179 687080 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1416159320 628297 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the front page on Hacker News. XD < 1416159422 201491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: "CL already does this." -- I don't think CL has continuations < 1416159432 533840 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but it does have GOTO. :D < 1416159449 994053 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll edit the comment though. < 1416159714 335699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1416159755 375076 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1416159939 827491 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: https://twitter.com/J_Arcane/status/533547756150095872 < 1416159961 371373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :format is scary < 1416159967 334239 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1416159971 692058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do loops and stuff with it < 1416159999 253912 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's 99bottles implementation entirely in format, in the shape of a bottle. < 1416160005 216373 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1416160009 36630 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORMAT is so cool < 1416160106 880662 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-common-lisp-114.html < 1416160579 536713 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1416160759 635219 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the computational class of format? < 1416160998 618579 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cthonian. < 1416161014 471889 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess its turing complete < 1416161257 176312 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it can do unbounded loops. < 1416161257 320066 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm maybe not! < 1416161265 894933 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not counting the "call arbitrary lisp functions" part, obviously. < 1416161362 45500 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/22_cgf.htm maybe this? < 1416161400 315351 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you allowing nested calls? like (format nil "...~?..." (format nil ...)) < 1416161402 948674 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/22_cga.htm might allow goto < 1416161411 898247 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a single call < 1416161419 716388 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :~? doesn't do you much good then < 1416161423 438817 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1416161482 116577 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1416161527 357434 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1416162145 252538 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric < 1416162151 792013 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. < 1416162157 605036 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shikhin, that is where we are < 1416162160 649930 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :having a fullscale argument with a lisp bot is fun < 1416162198 919986 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome shikhin < 1416162200 833466 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07shikhin: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09irc.dal.net.) < 1416162226 156731 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :its even more colourful on mobile < 1416162247 141595 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shikhin was never `relcomed? < 1416162251 556259 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was? < 1416162258 9962 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hm < 1416162260 834943 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1416162263 5399 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@91-145-124-184.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1416162265 66914 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, I was testing a bot. < 1416162268 8748 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ that one. < 1416162273 125774 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric < 1416162273 433350 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@91-145-124-184.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing here < 1416162280 258154 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1416162297 736680 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't oonbotti one of fizzie's bot? < 1416162297 881938 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could've checked it from the sources < 1416162303 154621 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it is mine < 1416162308 262030 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo ... ___ ... f | dc < 1416162309 412084 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! tdh < 1416162311 23846 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 \ 0 \ 0 \ 0 \ 0 \ 0 \ 0 \ 0 < 1416162333 166914 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I originally intended for that command to print ascii-art goatse but decided against it) < 1416162348 123916 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, how does one pronounce “oonbotti”? < 1416162349 524303 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Clearly no sane person would do that on a public channel! < 1416162366 984542 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: /o:nbot:i/ < 1416162380 338367 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shikhin: :D < 1416162404 253531 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :t: < 1416162437 677976 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416162467 268867 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: different way to mark a double-consonant < 1416162519 537890 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw QUIT :Quit: conception buildup in my compiler have to restart < 1416162538 503988 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Dulnes what is a conception buildup? < 1416162538 650149 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1416162548 53667 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: makes sense. < 1416162622 334324 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp JOIN :#esoteric < 1416162670 872648 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the point of irccloud to not disconnect for computer maintenance? < 1416162684 516534 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or s/for/during/ < 1416162705 104755 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :phone is connected to computer < 1416162722 115047 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: [ < 1416162732 206839 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :its charging >_> i dont have a adapter < 1416162736 452205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that should be ː, not :. < 1416162819 847719 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :my phone just got murdered with lag because its connected ;-; < 1416162876 509674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I was under the impression too that you don't have to stay connected to IRCCloud to stay on a channel.) < 1416162877 292057 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, but I suspect a case of malignant asciiite. < 1416162968 435847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, "oonbotti" is pretty close to a Finnish equivalent of "iamabot" in English. (Or maybe "imabot" to match the colloquiality levels too.) < 1416162969 736945 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apparently their pricing page does not work without javascript; the prices are listed as "..." ... < 1416163129 955611 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i just had to turn my phone off for the time i didnt want to corrupt my folders < 1416163214 117248 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont rlly have it set up to where it still stays connected even if i turn my.phone off < 1416163337 697589 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1416163349 198103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And /tː/ is produced almost if not entirely equivalently to /t/ except a longer hold duration. < 1416163638 976409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, Google Translate's (Finnish) synthesis voice apparently has some sort of a fallback when it for some reason or another can't do the normal one. At least for me "hyvä puhesynteesiääni" is done with a relatively high-quality voice (okay, the prosody's pretty off) but "aika hyvä puhesynteesiääni" falls back to something eSpeak-style. < 1416163664 178835 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1416163688 60659 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google translate is awful < 1416163761 994229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared to what? < 1416163795 659669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To a human, presumably. < 1416163806 91670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least that'd be a fair statement. < 1416163843 330779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's been a couple papers with "superhuman" in the title in recent speech recognition conferences. < 1416163846 661090 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humans are pretty awful at Finnish too. ;) < 1416163890 38433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They tend to restrict the scenario quite a lot to get actual superhuman results.) < 1416163891 763747 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about the Finnish who speak it < 1416163910 272939 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gets superhuman results at recognizing audio files consisting solely of the word "bupkis" < 1416164033 867733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite that bad. But I seem to recall some superhuman numbers for speech so noisy humans can't understand it either. < 1416164911 307231 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeh < 1416164933 50942 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1416165145 723757 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :so idk any of you < 1416165499 936475 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are who we are, except Taneb who isn't elliott. < 1416165509 71578 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I am however Taneb < 1416165532 443652 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1416165725 120709 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Taneb < 1416165728 266714 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, and five genders. (See also: tanebventions) < 1416165736 351997 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ngevd < 1416165737 65839 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​A.+6غM8 f>6hJLnj0/yvr]Ϡ٫^ÿ \ xa < 1416165746 321151 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also Ngevd, and atriq < 1416165750 795862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1416165752 241782 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Go, weetoflakes, and this sentence. < 1416165755 755245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? atriq < 1416165756 109444 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very impressive triq < 1416165756 666228 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq or two < 1416165787 622907 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? this sentence < 1416165788 473404 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sentence was invented by Taneb. Taneb invented it. < 1416165792 921224 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1416165851 815779 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1416165934 466772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you want to tell me about d-modules < 1416165942 416647 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-modules < 1416165943 238184 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them. < 1416165968 565555 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ho < 1416165992 640589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? differential operator < 1416165993 484392 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :differential operator? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1416166062 954790 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Chu spaces < 1416166063 775358 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Chu space is just a matrix. Taneb invented them, then Chu stole his invention. < 1416166078 636526 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1416166126 900126 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Go < 1416166127 723756 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go is a common verbal game programming language invented by the Germanic Taneb tribes in the strategic territories of East Asia. < 1416166219 738060 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1416166246 118600 :serika!~serika@unaffiliated/serika PART :#esoteric < 1416166266 860654 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :also should i use out of interest these symbols »»» to direct input and output < 1416166313 633352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed 's/rs,/rs, tanebventions,/; s/$/ Taneb invented them./' wisdom/tanebvention # does this go too far? < 1416166314 250758 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, tanebventions, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Go, weetoflakes, and this sentence. Taneb invented them. < 1416166437 426012 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1416166461 682187 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goes too far? Did Taneb invent the concept of limits towards infinity? < 1416166463 957277 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Stephen Wolfram < 1416166464 686472 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him. < 1416166488 575149 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :to many inventions < 1416166630 364178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? torus < 1416166631 169124 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topologically, a torus is just a torus. Taneb invented them. < 1416166639 206029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helpful. < 1416166666 324577 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1416166668 269213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? automatic squirrel feeder < 1416166669 1267 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Automatic squirrel feeders are just feeders in the category of automatic squirrels. Taneb invented them. < 1416166709 897626 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :who created hackego < 1416166738 681281 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, originally < 1416166752 575141 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not invent HackEgo < 1416166759 475551 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1416166779 390442 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you are quite silly < 1416166787 176651 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I am told < 1416166824 232122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run find wisdom -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep -El '(is|are) just' | wc -l < 1416166825 207072 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :31 < 1416166829 790920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many things are just things. < 1416166837 365070 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the category of other things. < 1416166866 200894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run find wisdom -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep -El '(is|are) just.*category' | wc -l < 1416166867 168254 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 < 1416166897 794384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run find wisdom -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep -El '(is|are) just.*category' | sed -e 's|wisdom/||' < 1416166898 716398 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :object \ partial order \ natural transformation \ endofunctor \ functor \ indexed monad \ automatic squirrel feeder \ arrow \ monad \ doodad \ comonad \ preorder < 1416166909 208976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? doodad < 1416166909 986759 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doodads are just duoids in the category of endofunctors. < 1416166911 802604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run find wisdom -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep -El '(is|are) just' | xargs rm < 1416166915 561717 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `wisdom/monoidal': No such file or directory \ rm: cannot remove `category': No such file or directory \ rm: cannot remove `wisdom/chu': No such file or directory \ rm: cannot remove `space': No such file or directory \ rm: cannot remove `wisdom/partial': No such file or directory \ rm: cannot remove `order': No such file or direc < 1416166943 227823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run find wisdom -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep -El '(is|are) just' | xargs -I'{}' rm '{}' < 1416166947 214054 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1416166949 3320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xargs syntax is so bad. < 1416166964 303140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1416166965 116320 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :this kills the wisdom < 1416166969 714243 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1416167011 383132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, that just reverted the last 7 things with spaces in their names. < 1416167060 924921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1416167071 744339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 5134 < 1416167073 995115 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1416167140 784288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? justice < 1416167141 589041 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Justice is just behavior or treatment. < 1416167349 145391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are several of those that can quite reasonably be deleted. < 1416167380 115510 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wc -l wisdom < 1416167380 951247 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wc: wisdom: Is a directory \ 0 wisdom < 1416167382 426009 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1416167386 724942 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woot. Finally added a useful numeric range generator to Heresy. < 1416167388 600275 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom | wc -l < 1416167389 382520 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :444 < 1416167548 802434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find wisdom/d/ -type f < 1416167549 503608 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d \ wisdom/d/da < 1416167563 75756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm -r wisdom/d < 1416167564 852767 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1416167680 386888 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna go play some vidya ghames < 1416167766 565695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wonder why IE 8 / WinXP ends up using TLS_RSA_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA for esolangs.org. not that XP matters, but... can't it even do TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA? < 1416167878 713662 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :nt rlly < 1416168224 688905 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which ! < 1416168225 351488 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/! < 1416168234 689005 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`head bin/! < 1416168235 560388 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ CMD=`echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f1` \ ARG=`echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f2-` \ exec ibin/$CMD "$ARG" < 1416168279 985496 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls ibin < 1416168280 729896 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l \ 2l \ adjust \ asm \ axo \ bch \ befunge \ befunge98 \ bf \ bf16 \ bf32 \ bf8 \ bf_txtgen \ boolfuck \ c \ cintercal \ clcintercal \ cxx \ dimensifuck \ forth \ glass \ glypho \ haskell \ help \ java \ k \ kipple \ lambda \ lazyk \ linguine \ malbolge \ pbrain \ perl \ qbf \ rail \ rhotor \ sadol \ sceql \ sh \ trigger \ udage01 \ underload \ u < 1416168312 78831 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls ibin | tail -n 40 < 1416168312 701768 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access ibin | tail -n 40: No such file or directory < 1416168318 191216 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls ibin | tail -n 40 < 1416168318 908554 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :axo \ bch \ befunge \ befunge98 \ bf \ bf16 \ bf32 \ bf8 \ bf_txtgen \ boolfuck \ c \ cintercal \ clcintercal \ cxx \ dimensifuck \ forth \ glass \ glypho \ haskell \ help \ java \ k \ kipple \ lambda \ lazyk \ linguine \ malbolge \ pbrain \ perl \ qbf \ rail \ rhotor \ sadol \ sceql \ sh \ trigger \ udage01 \ underload \ unlambda \ whirl < 1416168339 738839 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! help < 1416168341 823222 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ! or interp command calls various language interpreters transfered from old EgoBot. Try `url ibin/ for a list. < 1416168390 575387 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1416168417 814912 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does the bin thing do and where does hackego get the recource from < 1416168465 280305 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a linux box < 1416168466 675927 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1416168466 838606 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1416168483 539247 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/BillNyeTheScienceGuyStopTheRock < 1416168492 551355 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nvm then < 1416168683 41272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you not like All The Tropes instead? < 1416168739 207780 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fromroman XXI < 1416168739 867673 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 < 1416168746 838833 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I thought, thanks < 1416168857 369619 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1416168975 963976 :shikhout!~shikhin@120.59.226.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416168998 922865 :shikhout!~shikhin@120.59.226.144 NICK :Guest17485 < 1416169010 258314 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fromroman M < 1416169010 987730 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000 < 1416169017 507596 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1416169127 700065 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :why only 3999 < 1416169143 261962 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1416169197 288604 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@172-2-16-34.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416169230 855115 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: roman numerals go up to 3999 inclusive < 1416169252 10035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you put bars on top, the Romans only go up to 3999. < 1416169276 566141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does such program include fractions? There is fractions too in Roman numbers. < 1416169289 585369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One half is "S" and one twelvth is a dot < 1416169292 430608 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, this program definitely doesn't include fractions, < 1416169308 425491 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 < 1416169314 515589 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i commented on your phlog < 1416169316 530547 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but feel free to replace it with a better program (with hopefully better handling of unexpected input) < 1416169319 570321 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i do not see it < 1416169329 685574 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1416169501 714063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: Was that on the 13th? < 1416169520 271693 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :proobably, not sure < 1416169521 579521 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1416169546 968115 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says (947b/1com) the "1com" part means "1 comment" < 1416169572 564202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That submenu lists the comments and the "send comment" menu, if you reload that menu then you can see a comment. < 1416169583 160485 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how you see it. < 1416169638 211340 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight < 1416169688 529633 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1416169697 891210 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I like your gopher site < 1416169706 501125 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its cool I wabt to set up one too < 1416169715 876512 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought about converting esolang wiki to gopher < 1416169725 870555 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but id have to handle a very large XML file so i iddnt do it < 1416169792 306093 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@172-2-16-34.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416170415 705878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The XML could also be converted into a SQLite database; do you know about SQLite? < 1416170529 260334 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1416170701 256663 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416170713 713609 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does a gopher client have to request the directory above a thing to know what type to treat the thing as? < 1416170725 431894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1416170754 430554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The type is part of the URL. (If it doesn't use URLs, there will be some other variable to keep track of the type.) < 1416170833 835391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example the URL gopher://zzo38computer.org/0sqlarge.doc indicates the type is "0". < 1416170891 938712 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hh)++["^§"].g[ss.h]+++-[ " ok " ." irc.web_host " ]+++( " * " )-[ "»»»" ] = <.irc.app_module> [ "«««" ] this should give me an output of 0 but its giving an output of 2 ;-; what am i to do < 1416170919 590375 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I request gopher://zzo38computer.org I see 'images' with type 1 (i.e. dir) and 'fortune' with type 0 (text). Wouldn't those be requested as 'images' and 'fortune'? < 1416170967 241891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes, they would be requested as such. < 1416170985 735325 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how would I know which has which type, without a request to ''? < 1416171003 396164 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nice site < 1416171031 397968 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: You need to provide a way for the user to specify what type to use for the initial request. If no request is specified at all, the request is an enpty string and uses type 1. < 1416171063 166564 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so the type needs to be stored "externally" somehow, so to speak < 1416171063 978048 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If URLs are used, the character after the slash that comes after the host/port is the type. < 1416171075 232697 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, okay < 1416171127 188085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A gopher client is not required to use URLs; you may use a different method. However, if it is part of a web browser, you should use URLs.) < 1416171134 973636 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1416171282 433244 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nvm it was the second output bracket < 1416171344 894178 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked a bit at the RFC and interacted with zzo38computer.org using netcat < 1416171459 582237 :Guest17485!~shikhin@120.59.226.144 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1416171475 641796 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1416171481 13086 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@172-2-16-34.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416171490 252242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, gopher servers aren't guaranteed to even use a hierarchical directory structure, so you might not even know what is the above directory. All that is known is each file/program has a selector string for accessing it. < 1416171533 8850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the selector string contains "x/../y" then that is the string that should be sent exactly as is; it is up to the server to interpret it if necessary. < 1416171543 204021 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: thank you. Now I just need to understand what you did, like where that 4 came from < 1416171582 660273 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqlite is nicer tow ork with I think < 1416171584 852835 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for that idea < 1416171609 675051 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah, okay < 1416171690 869021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: And in case you need additional functions, I have written an extension that provides many additional functions (and a few collations and virtual table modules too) < 1416171863 838256 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowly eats noodles and watches conversation < 1416171919 879586 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For example, if you want to calculate statistics, trigonometry, and other stuff) < 1416172349 477695 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@2602:30a:c021:220:2851:b9fa:5007:d9e6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416172529 395789 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1416172574 941461 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1416172599 420890 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1416172680 296108 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1416172752 619586 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1416172842 301828 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.69.212 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1416172906 566380 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1416173174 59209 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :thes death < 1416173204 576353 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.71.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416174336 714921 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@2602:30a:c021:220:2851:b9fa:5007:d9e6 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416174506 482493 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416174697 19597 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1416174709 49247 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416174712 424377 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@172-2-16-34.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416174790 495075 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1416174852 42862 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416175084 57165 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1416175318 81466 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-148.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1416175588 867693 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1416176280 310793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1416176514 802866 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gbacnmwsejdtrczk JOIN :#esoteric < 1416176854 636447 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1416177165 803878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to reduce a truecolor picture to a palette of a specified number of colors? < 1416177200 796086 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like something you'd have several ways to do, like shrinking an image < 1416177319 487114 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k-means. < 1416177359 990390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that, but still I don't know what way is a best way if the palette is pretty small. I could also implement more than one way. < 1416177432 796112 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean both ways; it can use a supplied palette, if not then it should try to make up a palette. < 1416177545 408269 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the simplest way is just to check how many unique colors it is, and if it is too much it will display an error message. < 1416178055 179916 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gbacnmwsejdtrczk QUIT : < 1416178095 530892 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : I believe that, but still I don't know what way is a best way if the palette is pretty small. I could also implement more than one way. < 1416178110 520386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean your question hinges on how you actually define 'best' < 1416178146 801983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll get different algorithms depending on what you're trying to preserve through the palette reduction < 1416178260 843150 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one defining factor when doing a simple k-means could be the colour space where your pixels lie in. < 1416178270 781542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a program that claims to be written by Magnetic Scrolls, which implements three algorithms to select the best color to convert into, if already given the palette; they are (if R,G,B are this pixel and r,g,b in the palette): [0] abs(R-r)+abs(G-g)+abs(B-b) [1] R*abs(R-r)+G*abs(G-g)+B*abs(B-b) [2] R*(R-r)*(R-r)+G*(G-g)*(G-g)+B*(B-b)*(B-b); and then whichever index this value is the lowest "distance". < 1416178272 662358 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Floyd-Steinberg dithering. I find that with a VERY small palette though it looks better if you reduce to about double the number of colors with no dithering (i.e., just choose the closest color), then reduce again with dithering. Maybe that's my own preference though. Anyway, that's not "best", just "what Gregor apparently likes" < 1416178323 877106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How does Floyd-Steinberg work? < 1416178333 950120 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: matrix convolution :D < 1416178334 957811 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal NICK :Vorpal < 1416178386 828346 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@172-2-16-34.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416178387 935105 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add the quantization error of a pixel onto the neighboring pixels on the bottom right diagonal of a window. < 1416178414 557071 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :roughly < 1416179199 722348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did some sort of octree thing when I was last generating a palette. < 1416179253 866393 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1416179280 14910 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416179491 551246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I seem to have here references to a 1994 paper by Anthony H. Dekker titled "Kohonen neural networks for optimal colour quantization", in Network: Computation in Neural Systems, vol. 5, no. 3, pp. 351-367. < 1416179650 734905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's a link to http://www.cubic.org/docs/octree.htm here. < 1416179692 697169 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bmnncthbtfcnezwk JOIN :#esoteric < 1416179726 578796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The NeuQuant link on that page seems to have died, but was related to that paper. < 1416179744 592609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And can still be found at http://members.ozemail.com.au/~dekker/NEUQUANT.HTML < 1416179891 858164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Full disclosure disclaimer: Kohonen maps are from our university, I used to have an office maybe three doors left from that of prof. Kohonen, so I might not quite be an unbiased estimator of quality here. < 1416179984 532462 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh, yet anothe rprogram ruined by the kohonen lobby < 1416180156 974500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the median cut algorithm it mentions is kind of the "de-facto standard" for color quantization, if you don't want to go all SOM. < 1416180253 499537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, this is the ugliest C. I think I wrote this. < 1416180628 329814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm reading it right, it does three palette optimization methods (the popularity one, the octree one and the median cut one), some sort of weirdly optimized palette conversion (based on that [0] distance and a palette sorted by G) and Floyd-Steinberg dithering. < 1416180980 718032 :S1!~S1@p4FF936B6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1416180990 302998 :S1!~S1@p4FF936B6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de NICK :|S} < 1416181158 655307 :myndzi!myndzi@kingofstackers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1416181256 531001 :MoALTz__!~no@user-188-33-100-250.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1416181297 206937 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-126-44-103.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1416182347 480122 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: EMERGENCY CHICKEN