< 1417478543 6227 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :public static final long day; < 1417478607 803636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't mark it "final" then not initialize it, that doesn't make sense < 1417478610 85035 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omamiykhrtqpqnri PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? < 1417478612 665680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1417478622 790550 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omamiykhrtqpqnri PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh mai < 1417478626 514856 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omamiykhrtqpqnri PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy < 1417478664 854752 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omamiykhrtqpqnri PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java as in the game java < 1417478688 478955 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes you can. static {}. < 1417478700 638084 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omamiykhrtqpqnri PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or javascript as in OooooOo look at all these codes and bots < 1417478734 293518 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omamiykhrtqpqnri PRIVMSG #esoteric :')' < 1417478740 84149 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat102.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1417478749 578293 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric < 1417478760 116184 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omamiykhrtqpqnri PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever stopped what you are doing and just < 1417478781 441530 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omamiykhrtqpqnri PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at an English word and say " i feel like you are a fake word " < 1417478819 585412 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only Real English comes from fungot. < 1417478819 857957 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: if it is possible i was fnord a roleplaying scenario for 10 hours 2 days :) < 1417479057 940971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417479059 546944 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417479185 724221 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omamiykhrtqpqnri PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is fungot < 1417479186 296307 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: for learning scheme, or a procedure ( shift proc) where proc is the closure. environment structures may be shared, or should i just duplicate all self-referential hooks and make them links if an url is found. < 1417479212 197886 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omamiykhrtqpqnri PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does it get all these random wordings < 1417479237 608506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1417479237 752229 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1417479286 7160 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: for more details about Sir Fungellot, please peruse the PDF available in the /topic ↑ < 1417479295 580418 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1417479310 13239 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omamiykhrtqpqnri PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language is this < 1417479328 135855 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omamiykhrtqpqnri PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sif < 1417479349 673179 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omamiykhrtqpqnri PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sif im just saying sif < 1417479365 216609 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's befunge 98. < 1417479375 503272 :applybot!~applybot@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT : < 1417479376 17352 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sift < 1417479424 185832 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omamiykhrtqpqnri PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp < 1417479457 509528 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omamiykhrtqpqnri PRIVMSG #esoteric :For more http://sametwice.com/sif < 1417479457 690811 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omamiykhrtqpqnri PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sif* < 1417479598 45017 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah bin. < 1417479615 158430 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(eeeeh... translated: interesting.) < 1417479971 684175 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omamiykhrtqpqnri PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gonna go sleep < 1417479978 558073 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omamiykhrtqpqnri PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gbif < 1417479984 887436 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omamiykhrtqpqnri PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnight < 1417480139 211407 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1417480421 619323 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: LACONIC CHICKEN < 1417481303 368085 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jfnvisfgtgaujloh QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1417481359 966123 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417481476 213350 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kvgevhpjjywhvtlq JOIN :#esoteric < 1417481531 254690 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1417481538 224035 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1417481562 4085 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1417481813 71177 :oren!~oren@user3-211-19.wireless.utoronto.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1417481817 101259 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1417481817 438736 :oren!~oren@user3-211-19.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok my exam is over phew < 1417481853 905679 :S1!~S1@pD9FCAABD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1417482055 247282 :oren!~oren@user3-211-19.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me or is all the talk about clustered/unclustered indices worthless if the DB is on solid state? < 1417482104 724276 :oren!~oren@user3-211-19.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the whole C language io is sequential access which is also wrong on solid state < 1417482412 676764 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1417482481 112971 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1417482837 252871 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@stephdining-v389-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1417482913 542518 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07GridScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41290&oldid=41280 5* 03BCompton 5* (+3) 10/* Command Summary */ Typos < 1417483563 465250 :oren!~oren@user3-211-19.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :designing a language based entirely on objects on a playfield, but their positions are not limited to integer grid. < 1417483582 432973 :oren!~oren@user3-211-19.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead to write a program you place them with your mouse < 1417483618 366769 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1417483679 353585 :oren!~oren@user3-211-19.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basis of the data model is balls, like essentially marbles < 1417483728 390386 :oren!~oren@user3-211-19.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they roll across the playfield and can be caught, deflected, slowed or sped up by different objects < 1417483804 587016 :oren!~oren@user3-211-19.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have chutes that create marbles rolling in a given direction < 1417483812 674374 :oren!~oren@user3-211-19.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a given frequency < 1417483828 773060 :oren!~oren@user3-211-19.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can tag marbles with a color < 1417483841 494299 :oren!~oren@user3-211-19.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in RRGGBB) < 1417483852 282080 :oren!~oren@user3-211-19.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you select with a color picker < 1417483879 492814 :oren!~oren@user3-211-19.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic premise is that the language does not use any kind of text or numbers < 1417483892 381764 :oren!~oren@user3-211-19.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least from the programmer's point of view) < 1417483907 255631 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@stephdining-v389-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1417483962 301442 :oren!~oren@user3-211-19.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am implementing it with allegro 5 < 1417484004 196890 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1417484028 388489 :oren!~oren@user3-211-19.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine your internet needs fixing < 1417484804 173824 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417484809 341886 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417484955 782777 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1417484968 975072 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417485097 108846 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417485112 995796 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417485140 727593 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1417485220 306315 :oren!~oren@user3-211-19.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 your internet also needs fixing < 1417485231 340793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know :-( < 1417485434 547540 :oren!~oren@user3-211-19.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you unplug and plug back in your internet? < 1417485458 479176 :oren!~oren@user3-211-19.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, i know it's called a lan switch, but wvr) < 1417485534 994111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't help < 1417485540 341005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's a router < 1417485565 424361 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the off chance... did you switch your switch off and on? < 1417485644 288739 :oren!~oren@user3-211-19.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you need to buy a new internet < 1417485843 502322 :oren!~oren@user3-211-19.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my old internet used to crash every few hours so we bought a new one and it works way better < 1417486071 943080 :oren!~oren@user3-211-19.wireless.utoronto.ca QUIT :Quit: eating dinner < 1417486243 29051 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how Internet2 is going
< 1417486306 379546 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Web2 would probably be better (not to be confused with Web 2.0) < 1417486363 970765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet2 is a university network thing... < 1417486464 732246 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, by definition ,it's incapable of going? < 1417486511 666233 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :University notwork thing? < 1417486525 579284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet2 ? < 1417486536 500999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you mean by Internet2. that thing is the only thing I've ever heard called Internet2 < 1417486548 42125 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's Internet2. < 1417486575 194554 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it makes sense to ask how a research consortium is going. < 1417486604 343002 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm secretly hoping some of the technology makes its way to the public Internet? < 1417486606 329993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I don't know what the Web2 comment means, in that case. < 1417486623 543609 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Web2 comment is a wish that the current web is destroyed and a new sane web is made < 1417486660 521279 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he wants a consortuim for testing web stuff before it gets put out on the main web, analogous to how Internet2 works? < 1417486703 41238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm blanking on what you'd want. I guess there's that Shibboleth thing? < 1417486706 88733 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417486715 828328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure people use that on the regular internet too < 1417486721 593667 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Internet2 is separate from and better than the Internet, Web2 is separate and better than the web < 1417486843 975430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1417486845 123319 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem here is that stuff *is* tested on the regular web, usually by browser makers trying to maximise its userbase by having exclusive features vieled as contantly-improved standards. < 1417486862 950794 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, could you mean Project Xanadu? < 1417486870 516396 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe Gopher. < 1417486875 629319 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the web is horrible and want anything to replace it < 1417486929 279847 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Project Xanadu and Gopher are both things that could be used similarly to the web in some ways. < 1417487004 981830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Project Scowadu < 1417487064 157966 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think professional webdev has done funny things to my brain < 1417487082 103019 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A network of flat bottomed boats sounds reasonable. < 1417487283 415728 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xanadu.com/ This has some kind of working demo. < 1417487313 169998 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :While gopher is an actually running thing that stuff can get published in. < 1417487395 586730 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1417487415 62907 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<[nick redacted]> gha, figured it out by diving into the libomv code... if the password looks like an md5 hash, it won't hash it before sending it to the server < 1417487415 246285 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<[nick redacted]> guess what i use as a password...... RIGHT, an md5 hash :) < 1417487538 533198 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So libomv was made to handle both pre-hashed and un-pre-hashed passwords, but whatever it was sending them to wasn't. < 1417487552 366018 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse/blob/master/OpenMetaverse/Login.cs#L1079 < 1417487577 483062 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: the user of libomv doesn't make the distinction to it < 1417487598 392347 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also how do I do the thing on github to link to the specific version? < 1417487613 832514 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you mean by that. < 1417487626 534370 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you get to it from the commit blob < 1417487639 220685 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I get to the commit blob? < 1417487653 352945 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, hit the commit and hit "browse tree" < 1417487669 223283 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse/blob/3b06902a27e80a32742a1b10cecf0380cbc1f979/OpenMetaverse/Login.cs voila < 1417487671 995685 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse/blob/3b06902a27e80a32742a1b10cecf0380cbc1f979/OpenMetaverse/Login.cs#L1079 < 1417487678 602696 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1417487686 26229 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did it a bit differently < 1417487688 422135 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know that's the same though, right < 1417487693 509279 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's a hotkey and I don't remember it < 1417487735 969938 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you didn't link to the line. How are future logreaders supposed to put 2 and 2 together to figure out the line of the commit blob? < 1417487814 804979 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, besides being a ridiculous thing to do, that should be an || probably. As-is, any 35 character password, and any password that starts with $1$, looks like MD5 < 1417487818 69078 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is there any reason to check if it's already hashed? < 1417487883 542093 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope they're not saying that hashing is supposed to be done client-side < 1417487888 679023 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that what they're saying? < 1417487898 854481 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That libomv isn't the only WTFy party here? < 1417487947 312554 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hashing at every step, until we have an internet made of hash browns. < 1417487957 346768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing wrong with doing hashing client-side if your connection to the server is encrypted < 1417487964 847429 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1417487979 61898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(afaik) < 1417488013 930461 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417488016 641109 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well sending password without encryption sounds like a bad idea anyway. < 1417488024 550798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, right. < 1417488025 389953 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417488027 707994 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the point of hashing was in case server database is stolen? < 1417488044 551108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1417488053 162916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll get... a bunch of hashes < 1417488057 344650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in either case < 1417488058 551794 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07GridScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41291&oldid=41290 5* 0371.184.241.244 5* (-45) 10/* Ackermann Function */ < 1417488072 29028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do client-side hashing you'll presumably want to do server-side hashing too. < 1417488080 206183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise someone who steals the hash can use it to log in. < 1417488092 308262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: to be clear, if someone gets the database they can almost certainly impersonate anyone they want anyway < 1417488094 22114 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh, hmm. Was thinking in terms of people who get the server DB could use it to login ... but at least only to that server < 1417488120 190413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, it's less secure if they manage to get a read-only SQL dump and no other access at all. so I guess if you have a very specific SQL injection attack. < 1417488137 427485 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not to random other services. Unless they rely on the same client-side hashing... < 1417488147 841092 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1417488165 537557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't all that specific a situation. < 1417488192 688915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if you can do complex things on the client side then the right thing to do is probably something like "get an account-specific salt from the server, feed the user's password and the salt into a key derivation function, get a nonce from the server (which knows the public key), and send it back signed with that key" < 1417488209 411635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you'd salt in any case < 1417488215 678864 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Client side hashing does seem to nagate the point of hashing the passwords. < 1417488378 348781 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1417488478 825596 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1417488655 355920 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1417488796 840890 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1417488883 423203 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omamiykhrtqpqnri QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1417488889 349245 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1417489974 802385 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1417490021 394917 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1417490567 359936 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1417490597 70009 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if there was a programming language where the keywords were not real words in /any/ language? < 1417490652 505318 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait i'm just describing J < 1417490655 911950 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1417490772 247644 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417490777 778094 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417490798 831585 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1417491217 360684 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: brainfuck < 1417491224 528814 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah? < 1417491232 457185 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge < 1417491236 826427 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah? < 1417491238 674308 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malborge < 1417491258 543045 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Malbolge < 1417491271 558334 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure a lot of languages apply =P < 1417491283 800082 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also APL and K < 1417491417 540971 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... ok. what bout a language where the keywords are in the latin alphabet, < 1417491438 12563 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but are still not words in any language < 1417491448 751706 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417491453 415102 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least are not all words in the same language < 1417491459 989380 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi cadd < 1417492347 506910 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, what about Ook! < 1417492457 826954 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a real language its the language of monk-- AAAAAUGHH! I mean orangutans! < 1417492604 674986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monk++ < 1417492856 759822 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speak softly and carry a banana. < 1417492927 549212 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: http://esolangs.org/wiki/AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! < 1417492944 858593 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I suppose "A" qualifies as a valid word < 1417493018 540176 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a language that uses all the standard keywords that all languages use < 1417493032 174751 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but which the meanings of those words are shuffled each time they're used < 1417493038 85142 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that the empty set? < 1417493045 645967 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a predictable way that requires analysis < 1417493056 319412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: s/all/most/ < 1417493057 495934 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANyway I ought to sleep < 1417493330 533757 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1417493656 867090 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1417494103 618681 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417494112 972378 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417494177 518854 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Wake14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41292&oldid=23033 5* 0375.92.173.83 5* (+101) 10Distinguishing from the not esoteric lang Wake. < 1417494603 872733 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1417494678 887824 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1417495036 145620 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1417495468 900839 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk JOIN :#esoteric < 1417495532 819841 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1417495536 36266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417495728 626054 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cross Valves < 1417495766 154080 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417495958 871254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1417496478 826872 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1417502108 515011 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417502112 18690 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417502223 108410 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is amazing how different the current aesthetic is from previous ideas of what a 'futuristic' aesthetic whould llok like < 1417502495 537120 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes insane
< 1417502592 554437 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417502625 989969 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1417502671 976374 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hwat? why yougo innsae? < 1417502914 252742 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :_|__|_ \o\ < 1417502914 494100 :myndzi!myndzi@kingofstackers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69        | < 1417502914 641945 :myndzi!myndzi@kingofstackers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69        >\ < 1417502923 96001 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :H? < 1417502934 523382 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did i do a funny < 1417502959 10299 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :And oren its this fucking tarball its been decompressing for 6 hours < 1417502964 810140 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im very much done < 1417502972 578748 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy whit < 1417502978 92662 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell? < 1417502994 715093 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for me \ is a yen sign < 1417502998 702877 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its like 70GB and like im having rlly shit spees atm < 1417503005 943661 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is? < 1417503012 206637 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ < 1417503021 776603 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thats a weird sign < 1417503028 400705 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes because all japanese fonts display \ as a yen sign < 1417503043 260999 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thats nice < 1417503045 800071 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all korean fonts display \ as a won sign < 1417503056 542465 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what did myndzi do < 1417503082 64183 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has three prosthetic limbs composed of monies < 1417503085 29506 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for example I have "Hello, World¥n" < 1417503108 29006 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :¥_¥ < 1417503108 395747 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i put a unicode yen sign in to show you < 1417503126 906958 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sad face is achievable with yen signs < 1417503151 397036 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad face is ;-; < 1417503154 145836 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isnt yen based on like idk 60000 yen is 60 US dollars? < 1417503168 123049 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if you have eyelashes ¥_¥ < 1417503175 403999 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :80 yen is one usd about last i checked < 1417503201 176730 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does the system work < 1417503219 890768 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the history time: it is a remnant of ISO 646-KR and -JP < 1417503231 874628 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no waith i had that reversed < 1417503232 274464 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO/IEC* < 1417503240 304475 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 yen is .83 usd < 1417503245 383958 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omfg < 1417503267 144512 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is US currency so OP < 1417503268 395753 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a backslash can be assigned of other characters in ISO/IEC 646, and that (or a number sign?) was commonly used in place of currency sign < 1417503275 291891 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/number/dollar/ < 1417503278 570047 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese programmers just learn to write their escapes with yen sign < 1417503292 465022 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well i made a table flip emoji < 1417503295 931116 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't use the stupid trigraphs < 1417503304 534409 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid < 1417503320 228452 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and things stuck, we are now using Unicode and still GR renders *like* custom 646 assignments < 1417503325 27469 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :while in fact they aren't < 1417503336 347573 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use ~ or ° for escapes < 1417503357 97350 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: FYI ~ is an overline in ISO/IEC 646-JP < 1417503364 267883 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that was JA < 1417503367 66581 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1417503378 546543 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although ° is more usefull because yeah ~ is what lifthrasiir said < 1417503390 549999 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one uses the ° < 1417503393 875579 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still displays up there in jp fonts, but also wavy < 1417503395 162086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use ordinary ASCII < 1417503408 116946 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in most japanese IMEs a slash gives a middle dot instead < 1417503417 985820 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :end end end end end < 1417503424 883888 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :・yup < 1417503430 404160 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing people do that < 1417503437 653770 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a privilege only allowed to *some* westerners :S < 1417503495 681393 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shorten end to «e» idk i dislike seeing end in there < 1417503510 251109 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hands are falling asleeo < 1417503515 836019 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asleep* < 1417503531 203678 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :untighten your wristwatch < 1417503538 986296 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pssht < 1417503561 685230 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually thats a great idea? How did you know i had a wrist watch < 1417503567 38373 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿¿¿ < 1417503582 82523 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wear one < 1417503587 319868 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qwerty or poiuy < 1417503599 945190 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm < 1417503604 920387 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leaves < 1417503617 588625 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh remember uh i forgot the keyboard < 1417503625 204370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: No, anyone could use ordinary ASCII, although it cannot type all things you might want to type (actually, neither does Unicode, although it does a lot more than ASCII) < 1417503630 294179 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it was like rounded in on itself < 1417503634 495578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're called leaves because they leave the trees in the fall. Which is why it's called fall. < 1417503638 691375 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you could just use one hand < 1417503658 992828 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: brilliant < 1417503670 712687 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :48% done < 1417503686 710344 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how big is the file???? < 1417503694 244457 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :70GB < 1417503721 226781 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if i wasnt running off of shiternet < 1417503732 727228 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :faster to mail you an SD card < 1417503737 2003 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it would be done by now < 1417503740 918519 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or two < 1417503746 307407 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1417503777 88458 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have three 64G micro sd cards < 1417503794 325234 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are very handy < 1417503805 674839 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why my friend sent me an entire library compressed into a tarball through an email < 1417503809 217574 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is beyond me < 1417503820 744090 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should punch him later < 1417503822 355959 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: only if everyone understands a Latin transliteration of their native tongues. < 1417503845 901393 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right with mandarin and japanese it is ambiguous anyway < 1417503890 172244 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :神紙髪 are all kami but mean god, paper and hair < 1417503898 29622 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :If i joined my bot here i would have to change # to a : or something or it would just act as if you were trying to say #room < 1417503917 338552 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: No, I meant you can still program a computer with ASCII; it doesn't mean you have to use Latin transliteration of your own languages; for those things you can still use your own character set. < 1417503930 71228 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese letters a 2 cool 4 school < 1417503939 764705 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big is the alphabet btw < 1417503984 488831 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :~70 hiragana ~70 katakana ~2000 chinese character of which I know ~300 of the most use ones < 1417503989 487144 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 156277271826278183681837272881*5679 < 1417503990 760132 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 887498626701433805129153872691199 < 1417503995 209425 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1417503997 120730 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, I think an inability to reliably input { and } in ISO 646 was painful to some people in the past? < 1417503997 520484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only hiragana and katakana are alphabets < 1417504017 428726 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are technically syllabaries < 1417504028 337946 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need so many < 1417504034 614514 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah kanji encode meaning not sound < 1417504035 577425 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :'-' < 1417504052 85578 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they disambiguate things that sound the same < 1417504062 36238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in English we have both uppercase and lowercase; in Japanese it is hiragana and katakana, but isn't used like our uppercase/lowercase. < 1417504088 986504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kanji really does make it easier/faster to read if you are good at it though; however, to read out loud hiragana/katakana are working better. < 1417504102 703393 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :髪様、ありがとう sounds right but means "thank you, o lord Hair" < 1417504114 628338 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :} end { throw, catch error; } } } end } is all i need nowadays < 1417504119 713807 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not what you meant < 1417504132 265563 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :O lord hair < 1417504152 843439 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lordy lordy < 1417504162 994229 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pronounced kamisama as is 神様 which is "lord God" < 1417504184 554368 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION claps hands
< 1417504190 702246 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese lessons < 1417504201 247136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kanji makes the meaning more clearly; hiragana/katakana makes the pronunciation more clearly. < 1417504243 936723 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :another example is 書く write vs 描く draw < 1417504250 543714 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :thy are both kaku < 1417504279 744429 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :write dog vs draw dog < 1417504292 168608 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :on test this is important < 1417504309 636539 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :U guys havin fun < 1417504337 479434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes though, it is used kanji with hiragana written on top in small writing (called furigana) < 1417504348 55117 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :UI malfunctions are great < 1417504358 490469 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what app? < 1417504369 375991 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Netflix < 1417504375 605918 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopeflly not the one you are using to untar? < 1417504383 192003 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :No that < 1417504388 487176 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would kill me < 1417504415 868121 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just send him the biggest file ever < 1417504417 474886 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :netflix is a nice program but i prefer to buy physical media and rip it < 1417504420 207464 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a joke < 1417504450 486569 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whats the max file size you can send through gmail? < 1417504458 231607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to buy physical media and put it in the television < 1417504507 50975 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't own a tv anymore (other than the b/w one in the basement) < 1417504522 649664 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what do you use? < 1417504531 67680 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :A computron < 1417504534 617381 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer. for everything < 1417504548 777930 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Return Oriented Programming14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41293 5* 03Cluid Zhasulelm 5* (+1878) 10page creation < 1417504555 683229 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :including as a phone < 1417504573 971774 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as a radio < 1417504574 132932 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omg remember that 3d kinda like oculus rift device that you needed to use a stand for < 1417504600 456877 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cuz it was like 60 LBs amd would snap your neck with out the stand < 1417504602 892405 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Virtual Boy? < 1417504626 103252 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an AVGN episode about it, it had only like 10 games < 1417504650 652379 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thats cuz it murdered every one who got it < 1417504664 370826 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it had an atrocious red.filter on every game < 1417504681 188136 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those were the days < 1417504685 717623 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't a filter it used nothing but red leds for the screen < 1417504693 96505 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like whyyyyy < 1417504704 12438 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1417504709 551048 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently < 1417504716 441520 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just kinda went blind < 1417504723 963696 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :All i see is red oren < 1417504750 37493 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than uv leds < 1417504755 382470 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pls no < 1417504776 294707 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : i have a whole bunch that i use for glowing keyboard < 1417504786 57280 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :with fluorescent paint < 1417504792 584430 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i have a glowing key board < 1417504797 153513 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty cool < 1417504827 182981 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had it colour coded < 1417504832 537586 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to make my own, so i painted all the keys and put a uv led on a "arm" above it < 1417504864 322954 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1417504870 108482 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all glow the same color, green < 1417504876 234782 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amaze < 1417504902 173106 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno where i put that keyboard tho, its in my basement < 1417504908 18801 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love incomprehensibly bright colours < 1417504920 96368 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like neon Violet < 1417504922 76249 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Cluid Zhasulelm14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41294&oldid=41227 5* 03Cluid Zhasulelm 5* (+45) 10 < 1417504932 913448 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a neon hot pink bg < 1417504944 102081 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much eye burning < 1417504954 607955 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :such doge.jpg < 1417504959 589972 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mixing lime and.lemon neon is awful < 1417504992 29920 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :67% < 1417505005 576466 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid JOIN :#esoteric < 1417505006 811628 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1417505007 324177 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1417505012 197229 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1417505026 899664 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its getting faster its gotten into the usage/cmds core < 1417505032 313972 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is pretty small < 1417505056 260979 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi gurls < 1417505093 482380 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to bed, but the chat as a whole will likely keep going. < 1417505111 220887 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night < 1417505121 121171 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be heading to bed soon < 1417505161 425655 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no page about langtons ant on the wiki! < 1417505167 832995 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langton%27s_ant < 1417505185 870897 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnesz < 1417505256 841369 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 2000, Gajardo et al. showed a construction that calculates any boolean circuit using the trajectory of a single instance of Langton's ant.[2] Thus, it would be possible to simulate a Turing machine using the ant's trajectory for computation < 1417505277 973146 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get that, isn't a boolean circuit just a function from Bool^n -> Bool^m? how does that imply TC < 1417505322 276034 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...implies, through the simulation of one-dimensional cellular automata and Turing machines, the universality of the ant" < 1417505333 898900 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the paper says this, I guess they get TCness buy simulating 1D CA? That seems a bit sketchy... < 1417505419 294269 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Since a Turingmachine can be simulated by a linear CA with quiescent state, the ant is also universal" < 1417505616 982493 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oren how much were those 64gb micro sd's < 1417505699 180088 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH cluid ive seen that ant before < 1417505706 744207 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also wtf does it do < 1417505710 716958 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its pretty cool I think < 1417505720 319027 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the results seema bit stretched < 1417505754 971792 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems everytime the ant crosses over a shaded part it deletes it and moves in the opposite direction? < 1417505757 192054 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 50 cad each < 1417505783 192017 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Convert < 1417505793 597163 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also < 1417505803 251810 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nutella is gud on toast < 1417505844 507827 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :99.8% < 1417505850 428243 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almoooost < 1417505891 561658 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fffffffffffffffffffffffuck no thats not nice < 1417505903 946709 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah im done with this internet < 1417505907 592663 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1417505910 727886 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itis! 44 USD or 35 euros < 1417505923 89025 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :44 thats good nuf < 1417505963 547319 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Client Quit < 1417505970 133969 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "}" unexpected File encountered terminating Decompression "}" < 1417505980 652043 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im going to shoot my computer < 1417506013 176676 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1417506046 29162 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :get your friend to send you physical media instead < 1417506049 953131 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im to tired for this crap < 1417506082 823031 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well i do see him this weekend so i guess < 1417506089 34202 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnight anyways < 1417506091 57694 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Cluid Zhasulelm14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41295&oldid=41294 5* 03Cluid Zhasulelm 5* (+13) 10added subleq < 1417506092 788267 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :send him an email "hey dude your file isn't working, drive to my house" < 1417506129 251930 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1417506132 92510 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was like a bash file that got in thers < 1417506141 512074 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION poofs
< 1417506367 193014 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the algorithm to transpose a 8x8 matrix of bits with eight bits on each element of the array? < 1417506431 623507 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1417506532 17932 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can swap two integers with three ^= operators so an optimized algorithm might involve that < 1417506580 608105 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a matrix represented as 8 bytes? < 1417506672 650792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1417506690 216800 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the most basic way would be b1 = (a1&1) | (a2&1<<1) | (a3&1<<2) | ... < 1417506696 992469 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :operations like that foreach row < 1417506772 195916 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/OJOi would be a start < 1417506780 91185 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: if it can do any circuit it can be Bool^n -> Bool^m for any n,m. < 1417506788 497877 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which covers pretty well everything. < 1417506792 358217 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah cool < 1417506848 346467 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in fact it's possible to improve things a bit by using xor. < 1417506878 76781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the code is old, and I've read Knuth's volume 4a in the meantime) < 1417506928 147222 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, but those are finite < 1417506933 776560 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't imply you can turing machine < 1417506967 986297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note I have the high bit of the first byte in the upper-left corner of the matrix so that one shouldn't be moved < 1417507018 345872 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: any particular turing machine represents a computable function Int -> Int, where the second Int can be Bottom i.e. non-halting i.e. indeterminate. < 1417507032 546174 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Int here is unboundedly large < 1417507065 451242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you can just say "partial function" hth < 1417507077 241906 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could. < 1417507115 935026 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1417507230 5023 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an idea: lookup table of 0b01010101 -> 0x0080008000800080 < 1417507259 302234 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's what int-e did < 1417507271 743787 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you and them together as int64_t's < 1417507311 417796 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where and is a verb < 1417507370 100459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is an array and not a 64-bit integer; I suppose I could convert it although I don't know if there is a better way that can avoid it? < 1417507387 306798 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want to do the transformation in place? < 1417507397 525225 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you simply do (int64_t*)c < 1417507397 977561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i could reärrange the alphabet, i'd definitely put you and them together < 1417507421 855493 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :unportable but works < 1417507424 6702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: It doesn't matter I only need to output one byte at a time to stdout < 1417507640 9214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if it is unportable I don't want to do like that < 1417507640 600978 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aright, why not do it the easy way? < 1417507640 601115 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just mask off each bit one by one and shift it to the right place < 1417507640 601170 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can use the same lookup table but as char[8][256] < 1417507640 601224 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well, wikipedia says the boolean circuit = formal language equivalence is done with a /family/ of circuits, one for each input length. so for all n rather than for any n. < 1417507640 601273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: OK maybe that is better < 1417507719 116993 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find that hard to believe < 1417507719 700889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1417507856 568385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1417507876 988468 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, my 2014 version. http://sprunge.us/fOKE < 1417507906 844470 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes, so few operations! That's really cool < 1417508028 216026 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now do conway life. < 1417508378 326778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1417508379 636337 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrip7 to generate table: < 1417508382 701410 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MM256N>1M=0$(#M+0x80I=MI+0x7f7f7f7f7f7f7f7fI&0x8080808080808080M>1M=II~0)# < 1417508399 299196 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren??? < 1417508414 375760 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is code < 1417508419 167814 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks bad < 1417508430 490119 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :to generate the table of int64s < 1417508599 822382 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm not working... < 1417508622 462526 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what atble is it to generate? < 1417508625 289760 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not write the table out in full < 1417508633 849877 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i am lazy < 1417508652 792764 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program can be made to write out the table into a new program < 1417508665 913332 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but that seems like a bad idea < 1417508671 503764 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1417508673 258502 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1417508681 329521 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417508685 449442 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you have long repeating number in there < 1417508701 213225 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7f7f7f7f7f7f7f7f and 8080808080808080 makes me question the usefulness of scrip7 < 1417508710 786236 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a 64bit integer < 1417508723 939580 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :literal < 1417508735 251094 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( git commit -a -m 'teachings of the master (TAoCP, Vol.4a)' ) < 1417508738 247341 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x80808080808080 < 1417508751 79247 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not generate it < 1417508792 532134 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, if you are not busy and would like to talk about it can I ask you a bit about rule 110 in #esoteric-chat < 1417508864 280541 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not here? < 1417508878 248889 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might not want to say it publically/logged etc? < 1417508906 560533 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it depends on whether there's private information involved < 1417508911 923631 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if there is, we'd better use PM < 1417508913 955331 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1417508930 384478 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok its not private just wondered your opinion of it < 1417508944 971784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the rule 110 proof < 1417508985 271363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you want more of an opinion than that? < 1417509007 493502 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I was wondering, do you think that rule 110 is turing complete? < 1417509078 246343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been proven turing complete < 1417509083 641757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by matthew cook < 1417509141 271377 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh im sorry, I though you were matthew cook < 1417509143 275234 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I asked you < 1417509147 630176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no < 1417509149 283684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Alex Smith < 1417509163 991512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Matthew Cook comes here < 1417509186 677180 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok the problem was caused by bug in my scrip7 implementation < 1417509209 474221 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what cook thinks about the proof < 1417509420 463191 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.codes/ i found an interview < 1417509505 170074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik cook and wolfram used the word "universal" rather than turing-complete? < 1417509525 922249 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just noticed Langtons Ant is said to be TC by reduction to CA < 1417509533 730625 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I find this kind of hard to believe < 1417509538 129794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps _neither_ term has a completely consensus definition. < 1417509612 616145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with CAs is that they have no intrinsic notion of when computation halts. < 1417509636 348760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and _might_ have infinite data even once you've decided that. < 1417509709 349301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of which make details of what it means to be TC ambiguous < 1417509724 903820 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see halting a problem? < 1417509725 47041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417509733 435285 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could encode it in any number of ways < 1417509734 187367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417509749 2742 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. the string starting from cell 23 becomes 1011101 or whatever < 1417509779 575935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. but you have to choose that encoding _before_ you can ask whether the whole system is TC, i think. < 1417509800 726051 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the infinite setup aspect seems a serious problem to me, especially wrt. langtons ant < 1417509817 517177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is unlike what happens with systems with finite, intrinsically well-defined start and end points. < 1417509832 575431 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see what you mean < 1417509969 365109 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if some 1D CAs are 'CA-complete' like NP-complete problems can be encoded in each other < 1417509981 68399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the additional problem is that for finite systems, you typically allow _any_ terminating computation for encoding/decoding, but if you do that for infinite systems like CAs you can get _obviously_ trivial system to be defined as TC. < 1417510009 313612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. imagine a CA where a cell is 1 if it, or any neighbor, was 1 in the previous step. < 1417510044 681520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How were functions declared in K&R C? < 1417510061 540695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that make your decoding be "halts when this turing machine M halts in less steps than the number of live cells the CA has reached" < 1417510086 571940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's a terminating check, for each generation, if you start with a single live cell in the first, say) < 1417510093 218897 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int foo(x,y,z) int x; char *y; float y; { ... } < 1417510103 762876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a declaration. < 1417510121 496410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then _everything_ about the TC-ness except the infiniteness is in the final termination check and decoding. < 1417510127 263346 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were declared like int foo(x,y,z); < 1417510129 50509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like maybe the answer is "functions weren't declared, and argument types weren't checked". < 1417510132 931386 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting oerjan < 1417510133 586956 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no type checking < 1417510147 734063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a reference for that? < 1417510163 114178 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have K&R as pdf < 1417510216 571752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course no one seriously would consider that CA to be TC, so if we are going to talk about TC (or "universal" CAs) we need to agree on some limit for how complicated the setup/termination check/decoding can be. < 1417510231 356709 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm looks like there weren't declarations at all < 1417510243 911282 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1417510283 118049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was iiuc the essential problem in the old internet discussion about ais523's 2,3 result, but it somewhat applies to the rule 110 one as well. < 1417510320 925888 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything computable should be ok < 1417510323 81634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the rule 110 setup is complicated, but periodical. the 2,3 setup is not periodical.) < 1417510325 69946 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha! < 1417510335 853360 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do it like this int foo() < 1417510344 210031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: no, that's precisely what you cannot do if you want to exclude that trivial CA. < 1417510352 610447 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the function acts like a variadic < 1417510358 457654 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chaining some computable/total function with X and getting a TC function implies X is TC < 1417510369 239769 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in terms of argumant conversions) < 1417510381 460243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: do you believe that the CA oerjan described is TC, then? < 1417510388 887901 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :all ints smaller than int are converted to int < 1417510390 631275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("imagine a CA where a cell is 1 if it, or any neighbor, was 1 in the previous step") < 1417510403 884780 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :all floats are converted to double < 1417510419 723186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two sub-TC systems combined can be TC < 1417510420 415306 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1417510437 474872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, see oerjan's proof :p < 1417510451 870600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that trivial CA + terminating decoding function gives TCness < 1417510458 619334 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"combined" is not exactly a mathematical term < 1417510471 281812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1417510481 892091 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/chist.html < 1417510644 698473 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you scroll down 2/3 of the page it has an example of how things were declared pre C90 < 1417510647 954746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417510664 147276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417510676 342311 :dts!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417510676 879137 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think that a program that runs for infinite time computing every step of a turing machine is sub turing < 1417510706 680810 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have said that infinite setup is a problem < 1417510725 53795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: the _setup_ isn't infinite here. you just start with a single live cell. < 1417510739 887226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at _each_ generation, neither is the check/decoding. < 1417510756 711280 :dts!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode JOIN :#esoteric < 1417510765 936543 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1417510794 328894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't a clearcut thing, but a slippery slope one. < 1417510804 858510 :dts!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what isnt? < 1417510808 26857 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I agree this gets messy < 1417510839 651908 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone sseen the langtons ant TC claim? < 1417510860 57141 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am worried that they overloook the infinite steup and just go "well we can encode CAs so we're TC" < 1417510901 899360 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it would have to also include the two sided infinite setup to match with cooks proof, right?) < 1417510935 959580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there _are_ CAs that seem less dubious than rule 110 though. < 1417510966 544086 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417510972 394205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those in which all but finite cells start 0, and the halting could even do a cleanup. < 1417510993 304911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1417511000 681748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(any turing machine can be turned into a CA in a simple way, by encoding cells and tape head pretty directly.) < 1417511064 811096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw ais523's made his 2,3 construction have a _very_ simple _termination_ check, just whether the TM ever goes left of the starting point. < 1417511070 547925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1417511079 766782 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the 2,3 construction? < 1417511081 389562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-'s < 1417511104 230398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh, he keeps losing connection. < 1417511118 384043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :confession: i've never read the whole of it. < 1417511176 87441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's for a 2,3 turing machine, and it requires a setup that is infinite, and non-periodical, but still limited in complexity (quadratic i think) < 1417511194 58467 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfram%27s_2-state_3-symbol_Turing_machine oh this guy! < 1417511202 139273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2,3) refers to number of colors and number of internal states. < 1417511204 430791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1417511214 202329 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On 24 October 2007, it was announced by Wolfram Research (without the approval of the judging committee [4]) that Alex Smith, a student in electronics and computing at the University of Birmingham (UK), proved that the (2,3) Turing machine is universal < 1417511310 300640 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, didn't know that. < 1417511324 301500 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, as far as I can see, the Langton's ant universality construction also relies on filling space with some regular pattern. I don't like. < 1417511405 879464 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they show that one can evaluate boolean circuits using an ant, then use that to simulate the evolution of some 1D cellular automaton, and conclude universality. "They" being Gajardo et al.) < 1417511445 764478 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that enough? < 1417511475 304497 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on the 1d automaton they chose of course. < 1417511508 939170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but if that's what it sounds like to me, they'll have infinite setup issues even if the chosen automaton doesn't. < 1417511515 426715 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like those proof that require a starting state of infinite size. I don't like the rule 110 proof either. < 1417511644 740346 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you recall the TM encoding the 2,3 UTM used? < 1417511651 745128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you can grow ether, so it _might_ not be entirely impossible to remove the infinite setup. apparently there's at least one rule 110 glider gun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEcIx2ujtQQ < 1417511664 275226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no. < 1417511731 60099 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in your opinion what is the simplest universal system of any form? < 1417511736 598767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you could find the right glider guns, some of which need to themselves be leftward moving, you _might_ be able to make it all work in a zeros environment. < 1417511749 129554 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do present a cute criterion for decision problems, namely they ask "does the ant ever pass through the point (x,y)?" < 1417511770 965253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: huh. i like SK combinators, also the :()^ underload subset i found. < 1417511803 76817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really hard to compare "simple" down at that level. < 1417511811 689663 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my vote is for tag systems. < 1417511822 185692 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why i asked for an opinion not a definite answer :) < 1417511852 341043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: but _which_ tag system, they're a class... < 1417511865 768347 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tag systems are very odd, I dont understan them well < 1417511879 790266 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course one source of trouble is that Langton's ant is aperiodic, which rules out a number of simple encoding ideas.) < 1417511891 415516 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me either, but i like 'em. oerjan: the bit cycle one. < 1417511902 503292 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder whether human brains are extendable to universality < 1417511931 473288 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the mathematical concepts like universailty make much sense when applies to real life objects < 1417511943 348906 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure they do < 1417511950 304629 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1417511962 525295 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course there's the unsolved problem whether from a finite configuration, the ant will always escape to infinity on a diagonal highway, and even whether there is more than one kind of highway. < 1417511999 572674 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to crack that one years ago int-e, didn't go well. < 1417512004 298416 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Scrip714]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41296&oldid=41255 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (+358) 10added matrix transposer (and updated interpreter code fixing bug) < 1417512019 173651 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, i'm perfectly willing to bestow the computer i'm writing this on the property of universality, as i know that the limitations that prevent it are straightforward, theoretically speaking, to overcome < 1417512019 844820 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least I think those are both unsolved.) < 1417512052 732590 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree with you quintopia but that's ok < 1417512061 87669 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, yeah, i looked into it a little back when /r/dailyprogramming had a challenge for it. < 1417512086 360246 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: agreeing to disagree is a poor sort of argument. no one learns that way. < 1417512123 76538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you avoid having to argue with the kind of people who say obnoxious things like that though < 1417512154 17171 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. but i'd rather they became less obnoxious, so i have to try at least a tiny bit < 1417512165 111296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're misunderstanding who the obnoxious one is here :p < 1417512174 885692 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to keep clear separation between mathematical abstractions and the physical systems they model < 1417512196 897779 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :universality only appies to formal logical systems. A real computer makes errors due to bugs and hardware problems < 1417512229 848612 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically the finite size of the hardware < 1417512258 153562 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so you don't think my computer, if bestowed with the capacity to continuously add more memory, access to an infinite matter source, and an interface to make use of that memory would be universal? < 1417512269 606142 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't forget the heat death of the universe. Some things are computable, but not for real objects. < 1417512280 467337 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a finite address space < 1417512285 781669 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 bit < 1417512290 378258 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :overcomable < 1417512300 181168 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not a good discussion ^^ < 1417512308 888991 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: add a network device ... oh, already done! < 1417512332 223723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I think I have the ability to opt out of this argument that you'd rather deny me :p < 1417512334 325989 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite amount of matter in the universe < 1417512346 742132 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite speed of light < 1417512375 162776 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok. but then you're being obnoxious too. < 1417512382 559185 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1417512382 732913 NAMES :#esoteric < 1417512385 735472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric quintopia :you're annoying me < 1417512387 625348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1417512387 651483 NAMES :#esoteric < 1417512395 27108 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1417512398 236488 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite speed of light just means you get to wait longer ;-) < 1417512404 949042 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well let's just agree to disagree and move on :) < 1417512411 885826 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully we can get along that way < 1417512422 625553 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about bringin upa controversial topic < 1417512441 713042 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :argumentclinic.mp4 < 1417512450 703015 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. it's okay. you're not as obnoxious as someone who calls someone obnoxious but doesn't say why < 1417512451 482864 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I usually find time to be the limiting factor before I start running out of address space these days. < 1417512477 123827 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky you < 1417512496 163153 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note, I'm not saying "running out of memory". That still happens a lot. < 1417512497 499240 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION with 2GB RAM
< 1417512523 172781 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION with only a 200GB hdd
< 1417512575 934301 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea for a language < 1417512580 855334 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would like comments on it if anyone will input: < 1417512581 746282 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1417512585 466856 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1417512600 163222 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there are two parts to a program in this < 1417512608 60927 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first you define some CFG rules, e.g. < 1417512621 56813 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S --> 00 | 01 | 1 S S < 1417512628 106864 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you define rewrite/transformation rules like < 1417512645 389363 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 00 x:S y:S = x < 1417512657 65086 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 01 x:S y:S z:S = 1 1 x z 1 y z < 1417512667 633587 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you run it on an input string, it performs the rewrites < 1417512679 780356 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this program implemented binary combinator logicc < 1417512687 55638 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_combinatory_logic < 1417512726 295105 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the alphabet limited to 0 and 2 < 1417512730 319542 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*1 < 1417512740 412088 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you can use any strings < 1417512813 930488 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good. you'll need a way to distinguish variables from values in the rules < 1417512827 647791 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the transformations < 1417512835 646766 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, that's true < 1417512986 536303 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but once that is done you'll have a way to define arbitrary functional turing tarpits and push-dwon automata < 1417512991 897480 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose this isn't an esolang < 1417513003 64216 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a meta-esolang < 1417513003 271197 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1417513006 239693 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1417513009 314078 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its quite neat < 1417513023 414112 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't claim to invent it, it is used informally in lots of places < 1417513042 173285 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can claim to have standardized it < 1417513107 98927 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and formalized it < 1417513177 209381 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can simply have an alphabet spec at the top < 1417513208 156723 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then chars not in alphabet are vars < 1417513243 775372 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S --> '00' | '01' | '1' S S coud work < 1417513260 54210 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works too < 1417513264 866331 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have to escape: \\ and \' < 1417513281 767847 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if you use '' < 1417513321 162257 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ' < 1417513347 964821 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but \ allows \n or whatever < 1417513360 578686 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the grammars can be ambiguous < 1417513370 656996 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so some interpreters might run the programs differently < 1417513373 702800 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok < 1417513387 834201 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :define a standard way to biguate them < 1417513395 675748 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :id rather leave it unspecified < 1417513403 790056 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so any order is fine, e.g. one implementation might choose randomly < 1417513414 919245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blinks at "biguate"
< 1417513444 234528 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :biguate : to make something not ambiguous < 1417513513 342206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet you use unidecode instead of icode < 1417513513 485346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is, am- is not a negative prefix here hth < 1417513526 667880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ambo#Latin < 1417513541 173672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, one of the nicks starting with an o here wasn't oerjan < 1417513561 697988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1417513574 218092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: shall i biguate by kicking oren twh < 1417513584 873538 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.188.78.25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417513590 843174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner is still here < 1417513594 51593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1417513596 681890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd need to tribiguate hth < 1417513599 768870 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca NICK :Oren < 1417513600 60986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1417513601 124528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :triguate < 1417513602 373286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you're used to him < 1417513606 672578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh, i messed that one up < 1417513611 130608 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :here i'm capitalizes < 1417513626 959038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oren: i don't think that helps with tab completion < 1417513631 936812 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :see now it is biguated < 1417513636 409944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a reading thing, not a tab completion thing hth < 1417513649 458022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally i'd notice because of the length difference, but you use /me < 1417513672 337251 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my O is biguated and thus my name is biguated < 1417513676 242953 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fails to see how that hurts.
< 1417513689 642037 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any ideas for a name for this language < 1417513694 656281 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also is it worth implementing? < 1417513707 210627 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guesss it migth be better to try to implement things with it first < 1417513734 149576 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluidanian standard prefix specification language < 1417513736 462809 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :call it Not Actually A Language (bonus points if you use that phrase to replace the word language anywhere you talk about it) < 1417513758 518798 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol yes do that < 1417513774 348620 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1417513816 197116 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Actually A NAAL? < 1417513835 831003 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I guess that should be Not Actually A NAAN? < 1417513866 118967 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which elegantly avoids an unfortunate connotation. < 1417513883 970314 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh recursive acronyms are cliche < 1417513898 759295 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is cliche pronounced cleetch? < 1417513903 426830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"At 12,978,189 digits long, it would take the best part of two and a half months to write out by hand." < 1417513910 579638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the best part of two and a half months? < 1417513924 546537 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sex < 1417513935 977793 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.188.78.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :44 days < 1417513960 928990 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actully no, the sleep < 1417513996 560931 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they meant what _andodaan said < 1417514055 285635 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.188.78.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wrong though. < 1417514063 722856 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why> < 1417514065 605067 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1417514076 163865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1417514136 632706 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1417514172 919767 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.188.78.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I read 1 and half month instead of 2 and a half < 1417514218 93368 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah. whould be 72 days about < 1417514249 766898 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What languages should I try implementing in this CFG based language? < 1417514308 637427 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. are they calculating with 2 digits per second, and no sleep at all? < 1417514318 795144 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 12978189/86400/2 < 1417514320 80546 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 75.10526041666667 < 1417514370 271523 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.188.78.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BrainFuck. Always BrainFuck. < 1417514412 603424 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't implable in this langugae < 1417514446 466849 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :new word: implable : easier way to say implementable < 1417514468 143787 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1417514476 328025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how do you feel about "habited" twh < 1417514478 592841 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_AndoDaan, oh i can't do brainfuck < 1417514485 489811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : is cliche pronounced cleetch? <-- no hth < 1417514492 640426 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1417514506 604080 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't even spelled cliche < 1417514511 757467 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i guess it must be french then < 1417514522 941137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hint: it's also spelled cliché) < 1417514523 938375 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe it could be done by takingt he program code and tacking on an array like ++.[>-<++]+|0010101010`110 < 1417514526 959696 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cleeshay < 1417514528 225102 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the ` marks the cell we're on < 1417514569 931044 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: you need to mark the program position, too, I think < 1417514572 792326 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a symbol for the ip < 1417514600 427044 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could work < 1417514616 44662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: at least that isn't splitting a morpheme. < 1417514638 937867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mighty morpheme power rangers < 1417514684 221091 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccgkrljiisfpzulk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1417514697 465805 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually this seems to work < 1417514764 820893 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :might morphin power rangers = kyoryuu sentai zyurenjaa < 1417515063 961549 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417515210 51945 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :juurenjaa, juurenjaa, densetsu no senshitachi yo juurenjaa juurenjaa toki wo kakeru kibou, kyouryuu sentai juurenjaa!! < 1417515221 277056 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the theme song < 1417515273 34289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1417515274 438287 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name means Dinosaur Squad Beast Rangers < 1417515274 713487 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1417515323 795402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1417515328 467640 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a lot of completely useless trivia huh < 1417515374 92930 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should spend more time studying my actual courses < 1417515976 75485 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Return Oriented Programming14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41297&oldid=41293 5* 03Cluid Zhasulelm 5* (+84) 10clarified about W^X and corrected link < 1417516300 450154 :nooga!~nooga@c177-154.icpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1417516341 766322 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@2001:67c:438:51:62db:d40b:20b6:368 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417516361 372618 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@2001:67c:438:51:62db:d40b:20b6:368 QUIT :Client Quit < 1417516926 671881 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1417517059 39433 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Hello_world_program_in_esoteric_languages < 1417517264 24376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1417517275 993220 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an excellent page < 1417517302 688455 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1417517308 882715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :check out the quine, deadfish and truth-machine pages too < 1417517320 433007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i may be forgetting some) < 1417517390 915778 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Return Oriented Programming14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41298&oldid=41297 5* 03213.162.68.150 5* (+52) 10/* References */ (style) < 1417518474 276960 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1417518544 609262 :nooga!~nooga@c177-154.icpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1417518730 257082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : most people don't follow ads at all <-- i think i followed an ad not by accident once. of course i didn't actually _buy_ anything. < 1417518756 462169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i guess i sometimes follow webcomic ads, but i'm not sure that counts. < 1417518761 276021 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417519363 271636 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Burn weird < 1417519661 392169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you buy anything after following them? < 1417519695 517302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no. < 1417519708 292071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it probably doesn't count either < 1417519763 268625 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xn13.com/ what does this program do < 1417519793 757027 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1417519799 223684 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see what it does < 1417519968 436287 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload is cool < 1417519998 430527 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Burn14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41299&oldid=39776 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+176) 10Doubt it < 1417520020 677500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks someone is wiki binging
< 1417520070 471538 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::()^ is turing complete? < 1417520077 494193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1417520081 583270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION proved that
< 1417520101 278563 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is very surprising < 1417520125 905517 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering what minimal 'stack' ops are TC < 1417520129 822902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was surprised too. you can see the progression of refinements, at almost every step my initial hunch was "this cannot be TC" < 1417520136 444344 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1417520146 61867 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1417520383 291205 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me of one combinator basis < 1417520391 288471 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think it corresponds to any one combinator basis? < 1417520402 168898 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see you can encode SK into underload by a simple translation < 1417520487 829070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it seems you can only get combinators that act on a stack representation < 1417520501 603065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular you don't have application, only composition i think < 1417520534 178585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1417520578 32002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have any :()^ program corresponding to Kf because that would be replacing the whole stack with a known one < 1417520595 503179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you cannot do that in underload at all < 1417520628 870836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so whatever it corresponds to as combinators, it's not a basis for _all_ combinators < 1417520672 738800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is thinking of underload programs as functions from stacks to stacks < 1417520673 871356 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I wonder if B (composition) and M (self application) are turing complete? < 1417520685 649948 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if that correponds to this underload subset at all < 1417520716 13499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1417520862 771159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been looking a bit at unlambda subsets recently, and self application came up (as `d`cc) but there's no primitive b function < 1417520891 514167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also the subset i looked at, avoiding s and k, wasn't TC alas) < 1417520928 327179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MM becomes itself, of course... < 1417520937 163682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(non-halting, essentially) < 1417520945 825485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume you mean M x = x x < 1417520955 703937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and B f g x = f (g x) < 1417521013 481423 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe M isnt dup < 1417521020 187931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: note that the :()^ subset has the property that you can never create _new_ elements, only unpack and duplicate old ones < 1417521131 175814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally as part of that unlambda investigation, i found that `d`cc representation as an alternative to ``sii for M < 1417521153 567193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that uses continuations so isn't an ordinary combinator < 1417521225 57883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what _would_ M be in underload, assuming a stack is a nested list of churc pairs < 1417521234 440441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*church < 1417521248 262245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it exist at all < 1417521263 581376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm seems tricky, for the same reason as `Kf < 1417521307 877126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot really duplicate all the stack before running any part of it, and that part might ruin the rest < 1417521348 877384 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I know to show SK turing complete is by eliminating lambda < 1417521364 436277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's easy < 1417521367 69622 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how well this applies to other sets of combinators < 1417521443 25554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it applies to some of them but not all? S and K (and I) are important because they're exactly the combinators you need for eliminating lambdas so if you do that you essentially are expressing S and K in other ones. < 1417521491 592632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*with other ones < 1417521496 241556 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay, so its basicaly useless for anything except SK: In some cases you should just construct S and K - in other cases... well I wonder about those < 1417521500 403236 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those seem like the interesting ones < 1417521543 761012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall reading that there was a version that avoided having K < 1417521562 276284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just "approximated" it enough to work for church numerals < 1417521611 396974 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1417521613 756477 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the CL_I thing with S,B,C,I as basis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combinatory_logic#CLK_versus_CLI_calculus < 1417521637 470970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was just about to link that
< 1417521676 965892 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could make a point and change the topic to mention the twins oerjan and int-e ;-) < 1417521724 296799 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But perhaps it's best to leave it at this bit of weak meta-meta-humor. < 1417521779 402325 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417521781 17230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1417521797 272248 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.25 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1417521855 626257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm in fact :()^ may be closer to that than to SK, because :()^ has no way to remove elements without running them - getting that to work was the final trick... < 1417521887 399866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but B and M also belong to that subset. < 1417521891 109903 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :BM is awkward to reason about < 1417521903 467845 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :M has such a crude way of duplication. < 1417522171 931357 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.complex-systems.com/pdf/19-3-5.pdf < 1417522179 102580 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this bitcopying OISC cites esolang wiki < 1417522201 835230 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mazonka.com/bbj/ < 1417522244 116107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mazonka used to be active on the wiki < 1417522265 640012 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.25 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417522272 582229 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.188.78.25 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1417522276 262475 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh. M B = B B. < 1417522278 863035 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417522292 319192 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.188.78.25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417522299 991843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: um are we working in parallel here < 1417522320 396642 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.188.78.25 QUIT :Client Quit < 1417522368 727470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah beeping < 1417522378 797337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1417522424 559191 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mazonka.com/wiki/index.php his wiki is limes too! < 1417522624 759980 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :B M B B = B B B B B B < 1417522643 859887 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: the limes are somehow a default. < 1417522656 452699 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what should we replace the Defaulimes with? < 1417522656 638855 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's the point. there was no elaboration, no doubt < 1417522668 955852 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah. clear, simple, standard and expectable. < 1417522770 986330 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theseare different limes < 1417522782 557634 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they are the same limes, but its a differnet picture of them < 1417522887 186179 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an idea to search for metacalls in 1D CA: try running the CA backwards < 1417522911 666295 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably slower than just running it forwards until you find a loop but oh well < 1417523017 159292 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ASCETIC CHICKEN < 1417523129 673597 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.complex-systems.com/pdf/15-1-1.pdf < 1417523136 872107 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pg 13 shows the gliders < 1417523175 852317 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess trying to collide gliders together and see what they do could be productive < 1417523614 366867 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been looking through http://www.complex-systems.com/archives.html for interesting papers, but not many seem very interesting < 1417524673 389414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI, what we have is called a trilime. < 1417524741 24689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've tried to replace it with a synthetic version but it was no good < 1417524858 837426 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG, these are amazing. https://www.behance.net/Gallery/ALT1977-WE-ARE-NOT-TIME-TRAVELERS/545221 < 1417525361 401481 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1417525370 491934 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.25 QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1417525781 855168 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im having trouble finding loops in rule 30 1D CA < 1417525790 269397 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, two distinct loops < 1417525796 721718 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ca should i look at instead? < 1417525809 372789 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i can find single loops, but never two loops that dont meet) < 1417525878 173600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are not the limes you are looking for < 1417526763 887890 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahaha. they actually did it. < 1417526765 517115 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://devuan.org/ < 1417526837 70216 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with the font sizes.... < 1417526845 65067 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :devuan is bad :( < 1417526987 348482 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apparently they rely on javascript to select sensible font sizes but have not bothered to make sure that their CSS contains sensible defaults.) < 1417527041 628428 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :leading to ... http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/devuan.png < 1417527604 412546 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1417528745 160855 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh is there any systematic order in the polyominoes thing? < 1417528780 92198 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see that the horizontal ones come last. < 1417529075 533960 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, the order is according to the search tree that i describe < 1417529151 474282 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. didn't read the blurb, sorry. < 1417529162 199031 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1417529164 416774 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back. < 1417529191 463223 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1417529192 846175 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lewd < 1417529192 989430 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 3d 8h 47m 52s ago: i used the word in the en:you = de:man sense < 1417529192 989572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan asked 2d 13h 27m 13s ago: (1) is your mirror of The Esoteric File Archive still active? (2) has it been updated with the fact the archive itself has moved to github? < 1417529220 720531 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan (1) it is still active. (2) no < 1417529220 863834 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1417529229 874016 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq ?? < 1417529230 108790 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "Burlesque - 1.7.4.dev" < 1417529234 672135 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :aight < 1417529365 885752 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, i thought about ordering them according to the tuple of sorted points if we align the bottom left square with the origin, but i couldn't find a way to generate those in order with a recursive function, it would have required storing them all and sorting at the end < 1417529452 830764 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that version (or a different one) could be added if it's interesting for different ways of generating them < 1417529497 747919 :helix__!c1ab9be6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.171.155.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417529542 107865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@clear-messages < 1417529542 251440 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messages cleared. < 1417529573 540026 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1417529668 691609 :helix__!c1ab9be6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.171.155.230 QUIT :Client Quit < 1417529673 337623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: okay < 1417529709 59225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't loading for me when i tried the other day, but working now < 1417529823 254495 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitchs_: one slightly irritating feature is that you only consider two neighbours of the initial square. < 1417529886 595679 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1417529893 787931 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(otherwise the first polyominoes would be the square, vertical domino, L tiromino, sidesways T tetromino, + pentomino, with a visible pattern.) < 1417529903 958924 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*triomino < 1417530104 76727 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my vServer has been down for the last 3 days < 1417530230 546973 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :areioccc code out yet < 1417530281 563503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :arecibo code < 1417530332 748303 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: no, not yet < 1417530471 935362 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, that's because the first square is fixed as the bottom left square < 1417530550 383733 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitchs_: but it isn't once you turn left above the first square or down to the right of the first square. < 1417530633 509659 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we consider the first square as being on the origin, then any squares that have y<0 or (y=0 and x<0) are unreachable < 1417530781 631148 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. you'd never that the "##"\" #" triomino that way. < 1417530802 407144 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1417530842 853737 :visy!~visy@ec2-23-23-221-74.compute-1.amazonaws.com PART :#esoteric < 1417531118 436301 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about this one, visiting square in their specified order without backtracking (n=18) http://sprunge.us/YYUR < 1417531196 633358 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 should not have been put there because it's at y=-1 < 1417531203 401623 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1417531235 546993 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's put there as a neighbour of 3 < 1417531278 12836 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1417531317 636310 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't define reachable in my blurb, but because that square would invalidate the assumption that the first square is the bottom left one, it is unreachable < 1417531409 514224 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1417531421 195647 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a more detailed explanation here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyomino#Algorithms_for_enumeration_of_fixed_polyominoes < 1417531442 849028 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :redelmeijer's paper is here http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012365X81800155 but i think it leaves the search order as an implementation detail < 1417531567 504627 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417531581 447353 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1417531648 114099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Searching... < 1417531949 562396 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1417532725 384015 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just had a bizarre idea for a programming language but I am not sure whether it is esoteric or not < 1417532746 884888 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: go on < 1417532783 281355 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea behind it is the set of instructions form a group < 1417532825 477620 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can undo anything < 1417532831 659005 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, this makes it Useless < 1417532904 452865 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1417532950 27112 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I kind of want to see how fancy it can get < 1417533032 533571 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reversible computing isn't that esoteric < 1417533037 884798 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1417533063 225507 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This particular one may be < 1417533074 156955 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not veeeery familiar with the area < 1417533295 73479 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417533897 527066 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1417533991 580097 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I just found out about QuickSpec which looks kind of cool < 1417534095 105886 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417534183 540076 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417534223 853425 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1417534776 532418 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1417534848 479874 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417535178 153041 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1417536446 953364 :trn!~trn@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1417536697 674425 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417537906 579396 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid JOIN :#esoteric < 1417537909 710762 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1417538068 243147 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an idea for a website < 1417538076 200084 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be on github if github pages allows javascript? < 1417538095 426528 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is to have a javascript implementation of every esolang, so people can easily try running programs in it < 1417538107 170461 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would have a drop down menu with lots of example code to try < 1417538205 893939 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick NICK :yorick < 1417538287 301823 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://p-nand-q.com/index.html this guy has a lot of esolangs < 1417538709 334692 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/A_programming_language_is_an_artificial_language_designed_to_communicate_instructions_to_a_machine,_particularly_a_computer. < 1417538860 615028 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417539483 683684 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1417539529 286989 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Client Quit < 1417539670 602246 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1417540251 176810 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: AdiIRC is updating to v1.9.6 Beta Build (2014/12/02) 32 Bit < 1417540269 826019 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1417540276 671660 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Client Quit < 1417540485 490915 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, im interested in reversible programming < 1417540486 781293 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1417540503 779316 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid, I'll write up this language tonight or tomorrow < 1417540866 122190 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1417541660 864896 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-126-229-18.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1417543687 318966 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, let's see by how much henkma will beat me this time < 1417543795 808546 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1417543818 124759 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1417543882 536647 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1417544161 189831 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91-rdmsoft [XULRunner 32.0.3/20140923175406] < 1417544186 883711 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1417544664 356534 :dts!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode NICK :tcs < 1417544668 147089 :tcs!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode NICK :dts < 1417544752 979342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1417545468 277579 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1417545582 12068 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitchs_: So actually the search order looks quite sane to me, after having spent some time actually implementing it. < 1417547219 968970 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417547544 712830 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1417547967 736029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1417549752 791114 :viznut_!viznut@lowfidelity.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1417550102 687886 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xpozpkpevmpptjcf JOIN :#esoteric < 1417550210 883035 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xpozpkpevmpptjcf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://i.imgur.com/7PdwO5r.jpg < 1417550216 465172 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xpozpkpevmpptjcf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1417550238 69081 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1417550306 387137 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417550379 173341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1417550401 923772 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xpozpkpevmpptjcf QUIT :Quit: bees < 1417551217 827587 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1417551277 890344 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1417552041 75448 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1417552475 956600 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Pikalang14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41300 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+809) 10/* Does this count as an implementation? */ new section < 1417552810 867936 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1417552970 31433 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1417553127 823147 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1417553188 4462 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417553189 411110 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude < 1417553415 406996 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.25 QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1417553711 411745 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1417553726 444812 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-126-229-18.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1417553875 165273 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417554107 604223 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is programming? < 1417554417 985107 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, thanks < 1417554427 967328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I did a straightforward Burlesque of your dc Dominosa, and it turned out to be 80B. It very likely could shorten to something less than my trit-based 78B, but I doubt at least I could get it anywhere near the dc size. < 1417554445 760678 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pleasantly surprised to see some interest in the problem already, i thought it would be a less popular one < 1417554792 474236 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1417554906 390061 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1417555042 784103 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1417555394 990035 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1417556218 602206 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mmmm()14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41301&oldid=41289 5* 03BCompton 5* (+1166) 10example program < 1417556333 777927 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41302&oldid=40713 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+123) 10 < 1417556434 920084 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1417556465 420294 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1417557651 178791 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mmmm()14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41303&oldid=41301 5* 03BCompton 5* (+19) 10 < 1417558324 549230 :dts!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode NICK :dtsbot < 1417558333 274871 :dtsbot!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode NICK :dts < 1417558500 520798 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1417558518 255387 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1417558769 899002 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1417558775 925654 :S1!~S1@pD9FCAD2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1417559127 925686 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1417559259 468051 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn JOIN :#esoteric < 1417559268 449207 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heyo < 1417559681 793685 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mmmm()14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41304&oldid=41303 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+23) 10 < 1417559755 283829 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mmmm()14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41305&oldid=41304 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-1) 10 < 1417560249 339677 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mmmm()14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41306&oldid=41305 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+418) 10/* Example Program */ < 1417560330 257398 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mmmm()14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41307&oldid=41306 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-52) 10 < 1417560364 295785 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mmmm()14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41308&oldid=41307 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+90) 10 < 1417560402 37576 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mmmm()14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41309&oldid=41308 5* 03BCompton 5* (+2) 10 < 1417560432 996195 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm < 1417561037 171029 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Mmmm()14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41310 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+43) 10Created page with "Well done on the example program, BCompton." < 1417561048 422044 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Mmmm()14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41311&oldid=41310 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+98) 10 < 1417561334 487536 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417561358 880385 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Mmmm()14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41312&oldid=41311 5* 03BCompton 5* (+271) 10 < 1417561433 595248 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket documentation > Python documentation < 1417561454 762849 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket documentation, as I understand it, is not particularly likely to link to identifiers of the same name in the wrong module < 1417561464 897842 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python docs actually do. In the standard library. < 1417561514 176951 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally i prefer behaviorism to most "cognitive" psychological methodologies < 1417561578 337257 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: outrageous! do you have any examples? < 1417561614 930045 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: all those sub-branches of psychological stuff confuses me. I know there's a difference, but sometimes I fail to grasp them. < 1417561633 376724 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/there's a/there are/ < 1417561647 934114 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not subfields, just differnet approaches. < 1417561982 208405 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.69.156 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417562567 146111 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Mmmm()14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41313&oldid=41312 5* 03BCompton 5* (+288) 10 < 1417562673 382700 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sound of human bones undergoing liquifaction is great < 1417562678 952143 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1417562829 750386 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Mmmm()14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41314&oldid=41313 5* 03BCompton 5* (+92) 10 < 1417563132 734190 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.46.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417563134 611238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.46.169 QUIT :Changing host < 1417563134 755206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1417563614 343789 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1417563715 518939 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: https://docs.python.org/2/library/cookielib.html#cookielib.Cookie < 1417563735 357614 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Click that Cookie link. Note that it links to the Cookie module, not the cookielib.Cookie < 1417563750 496106 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that expectation was wrong < 1417563758 454473 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's a separate issue < 1417563764 561623 :Oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1417563914 569631 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cookie.lib :0 < 1417563920 593454 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda like cake.lib < 1417563948 245199 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: indeed. < 1417563962 418366 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cake is a lib < 1417563985 721777 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1417564001 298866 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pep pep good creb < 1417564007 462752 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Python 3 version points to the right place at least < 1417564023 295604 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this wouldn't have occured at all under Racket's Scribble < 1417564033 745721 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm racket < 1417564054 660215 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it wouldn't have caused me way too much annoyance in Haskell, with what would presumably be a clear type error < 1417564065 760682 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ur such a haskell < 1417564066 303980 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of complaining that Cookie doesn't have a domain attribute < 1417564372 64675 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric