< 1418169753 80081 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1418169753 263075 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1418169981 217463 :S1!~S1@p4FF92790.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1418170054 581262 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1418170055 106342 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1418170442 879946 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1418170443 104865 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1418170493 301054 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1418170716 539370 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1418170902 918960 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1418171221 706398 :scounder!~scounder@fallout.stormbit.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1418171293 721914 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to refine my documentation < 1418171300 858172 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In BF < 1418171318 173119 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you input a char, does it take from the STDIN of the whole runtime? < 1418171320 844051 :Decensum|Zzz!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsltqcbdvndjstta NICK :Decensum < 1418171324 309526 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does it just specifically take one char < 1418171337 876043 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1418171354 360903 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsltqcbdvndjstta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question? < 1418171377 291977 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, if you were to do ",,", and the first time type ab, and the second time type c < 1418171377 459165 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsltqcbdvndjstta PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the document you are trying to refine < 1418171385 848441 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you get "ab" or "ac" < 1418171402 438410 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's my esolang's doc I'm trying to refine) < 1418171408 295099 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsltqcbdvndjstta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1418171416 915166 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsltqcbdvndjstta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isnt skilled at bf < 1418171454 177345 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode JOIN :#esoteric < 1418171477 326000 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.74.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ab" < 1418171540 226987 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it take in newlines? < 1418171546 882181 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsltqcbdvndjstta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok so Void linux is pretty good < 1418171554 537111 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1418171601 642954 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1418171644 782992 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on version but i assume it does take newlines. < 1418171652 593843 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.74.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I think you have to pick specifically 10 or... < 1418171659 323981 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.74.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what oren said. < 1418171681 167699 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418171686 402607 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, I mean as in if you did ",," and just typed "a" and pressed return < 1418171706 657908 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would the second comma give back an \n or would it ask for more input < 1418171710 149270 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be a\n < 1418171728 818331 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How convenient < 1418171878 576868 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :except on windows it might give instead \r\n... < 1418171887 37334 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on implementation < 1418171918 454733 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :text files are still not standard.... stupid unix < 1418171944 781996 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stupid windows < 1418171959 889662 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :when ascii came out it was supposed to be \r\n but unix wanted to save one char < 1418171972 873987 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A char saved is a char earned :P < 1418171977 269841 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for web data it is also \r\n by standard < 1418171980 939458 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1418171983 915240 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL < 1418171992 960703 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1418172000 721016 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of HTTP I think … < 1418172015 990603 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline < 1418172026 588756 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that sounded really sarcastic. that wasn't supposed to be sarcastic) < 1418172047 624087 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.74.42 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1418172057 892459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: it's standard for network protocols in general < 1418172060 550717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is big endian < 1418172071 825876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they managed to standardise on the exact things nobody uses < 1418172077 103427 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because on line printers, \r moves to the beginning of line, and \n moves down one line < 1418172096 546428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok, windows uses \r\n, but not big endian. I doubt there are many big endian \r\n environments in production right now.) < 1418172104 119370 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So *that's* why it's called carriage return < 1418172120 622351 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup it comes from carriages on a typewriter < 1418172145 387978 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in TTML i'm using the same convention < 1418172153 959535 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.74.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418172246 167219 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, \f is "form feed" and it means "next page" < 1418172417 275725 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.74.42 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1418172479 746717 :scounder!~scounder@fallout.stormbit.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1418172878 645482 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1418173515 153913 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1418173752 979737 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1418173928 226272 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1418174365 431023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :\v is a vertical tab, and good luck having it do anything useful anywhere. < 1418174391 319331 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes down half a line in TTML: good for writing sub/superscripts < 1418174419 75238 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have any tab? < 1418174460 180984 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in ttml but you could extend it when we get 3d wed environments like is ghost in the shell < 1418174460 706230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could consider pages the third axis, since you stack them < 1418174465 89746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trefunge-98 does < 1418174480 994513 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then \f is the third axis < 1418174553 425434 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1418174604 368915 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1418174818 663254 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1418174825 693130 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1418175544 374940 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: BIPEDAL CHICKEN < 1418175727 774324 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the expression ((c%32+15)%23+8)%16 converts an ascii hex character c to its hex value < 1418175794 195531 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be doable in only one mod, add cycle but not sure how < 1418175819 766243 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I think it's 10 instead of 8 < 1418175835 712225 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it? < 1418175855 429129 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :((65%32+15)%23+8)%16 == 8, expected 10 < 1418175892 368254 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1418175957 220096 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm.... < 1418175987 99191 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: (c|32)%39-9 would work < 1418176071 237530 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right! i knew it must be doable in one mod add cycle (not quite but i'll take it) < 1418176186 947550 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact if you only want lowercase then you don't need the |32 < 1418176909 161297 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.189.86.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418177624 858750 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ttml14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41403&oldid=41382 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (-46) 10we don't need hyphens when the format doesn't support autowrapping anyway. < 1418177722 534908 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: why only green, red and blue (and possibly purple or gold/amber)? < 1418177758 680704 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in old days having colors meant printing the page once for each color < 1418177773 43373 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, backstriking? < 1418177787 570781 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :move back and overstriking* < 1418177795 570555 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1418177809 178416 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't that be cyan, magenta and yellow then? < 1418177874 323980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: nite < 1418177902 427251 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly. each time youprint a page, the page would be printed in a slightly different place. if you printed the page in both red and blue, you'd get two slightly-off letters, with the overlap in purple < 1418177941 207494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't use green, red and blue ink though < 1418177945 959370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use CMYK < 1418177998 491357 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the printer, as i said old printers you had to physically change the ink cartridge manually for each new color (and change the typeball for each alphabet) < 1418178046 402267 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you used color mixing you'd hae registration problems due to the teletype's mechanicla tolerances < 1418178049 26128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but it's still subtractive colour, right? < 1418178111 855449 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly. each color has its own ink. you don't mix colors at all due the problems of getting the teletype to strike the exact same place twice < 1418178128 746402 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on two different print runs no less) < 1418178203 450347 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-113-127-236.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1418178365 104082 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-127-236.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1418178462 925737 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus it makes sense to only stock inks of the most used colors, especially red and green < 1418178494 575172 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for financial data, y'know) < 1418178565 269277 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1418178625 538973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1418178666 380847 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is designed to be retro -- not to the 1980's, the 1960's! < 1418178722 185791 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it has arbitrary limitations < 1418180359 856635 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1418181922 694930 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I realized my implementation for something i wrote a long time ago was wrong < 1418181934 611977 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked back at the incorrect code < 1418181941 938883 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/SxFaEhw.png < 1418181951 765631 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mfw http://i.imgur.com/CcKQTXg.png < 1418182022 671928 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't one indexed? < 1418182069 322643 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :drop is 0 indexed, dropFromIndex was some hacky function I made that is one indexed for whatever reason < 1418182097 453970 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you are TRWTF? < 1418182131 625376 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1418182141 372505 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sad part is that that ended up breaking everything < 1418182387 527722 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I just can't stop breaking things today < 1418182427 974595 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometime you have to break the bone before you can set it < 1418182462 759353 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just re-factored some other code a ton just to realize my other implementation worked correctly and this doesn't work because the stack is being popped when I don't want it to be popped < 1418182473 70221 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right < 1418182568 689324 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go, heh < 1418182608 380787 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1418183071 59615 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode NICK :dts < 1418183095 437041 :dts!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode NICK :dts|pokeball < 1418183520 614025 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mxsxrmalwxhlwrio JOIN :#esoteric < 1418184198 339974 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://snag.gy/wFFiC.jpg < 1418184228 804531 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this worse or better than using comic sans? < 1418184461 747221 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the densest font i was able to find that supports japanese < 1418184488 395659 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you have a preference for dense fonts? < 1418184491 133304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://slbkbs.org/ser.html -- Ctrl-F and type something in Chrome < 1418184577 772020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1418184596 172185 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: /quit quit < 1418184641 895883 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :paul2520: yes i want more code on my screen (contrary to the picture i usually have like 5 terminals open) < 1418184664 630259 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how the heck is it doing that? < 1418184764 704488 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense > 1418184925 454374 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418184928 228800 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1418184929 593426 JOIN :#esoteric > 1418184930 111002 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418185004 898842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only web browsers had a feature where you could look at how web pages do what they do. < 1418185056 557872 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.189.86.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1418185060 330466 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because i can see the code doesn't mean i can understand it, shachaf < 1418185220 693575 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a comedy sketch where neo can see the code, but he doesn't know the matrix's programming language < 1418185240 288305 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like chrome leaks data somewhere < 1418185241 798895 :_AndoDaan_!~AndChat23@188.189.88.240 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418185247 556712 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try scrolling with the scroll bar < 1418185256 769264 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it somehow also works in firefox though < 1418185266 807485 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Webkit? < 1418185268 462943 :_AndoDaan_!~AndChat23@188.189.88.240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual find text input tabby thingie gets hidden too? < 1418185277 799275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1418185281 303448 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in firefox it doesn't < 1418185290 43837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1418185292 468866 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor on chrome, for me < 1418185300 232922 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the text you look for still appears < 1418185319 421079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://slbkbs.org/sel.html is a version that works only with Firefox. < 1418185320 551639 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.189.86.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1418185357 918303 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/OGpgqvZ.png in some weird generic Ubuntu Web Browser < 1418185372 377486 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(doesn't have a find menu, happens when scrolling) < 1418185413 502609 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell that is a serious security hazard < 1418185453 300066 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :could it target your history/other tabs and send it back? < 1418185463 16767 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, gets the current selection < 1418185469 205575 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Press ctrl-a to freeze firefox < 1418185483 854818 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure about the chrome one < 1418185512 455423 :trn!~trn@trnsz.com QUIT :Quit: quit < 1418185559 930323 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1418185846 844751 :_AndoDaan_!~AndChat23@188.189.88.240 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1418186339 78503 :password2!~password@197.76.171.108 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418186437 130004 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 NICK :MDream < 1418186989 246327 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.189.73.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418187297 245229 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsltqcbdvndjstta QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1418187641 767767 :password2!~password@197.76.171.108 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1418187789 764007 :indiagreen!~indiagree@nat3-minsk-pool-46-53-183-160.telecom.by JOIN :#esoteric < 1418188209 883067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome indiagreen < 1418188210 980340 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09indiagreen: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06irc.dal.net.) < 1418188305 755571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure relcome is valid for anyone except relrod. < 1418188333 175318 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: "sleep" < 1418188494 831195 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1418188570 550069 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAAAAA burned once again by C's precedence rules!!!! < 1418188590 376093 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people wonder why i don't like ALGOL dialects < 1418188667 425544 :password2!~password@197.76.154.103 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418188688 31560 :password2!~password@197.76.154.103 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1418188833 5192 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, but it's great that you can write x=a*b+c>>d&~e|f,y=x; in place of x=(((a*b+c)>>d)&~e)|f); y=x; < 1418188865 557144 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very useful in golfing < 1418188881 427546 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the opposite of great. bitwise ops should be below math < 1418188914 788562 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(asuming you view the parse tree as reaching down) < 1418188963 959651 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have to say that, when it is useful in golfing, it is normally useless for other jobs.) < 1418189011 372143 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1418189045 677436 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why scrip7 does not even have a parse tree < 1418189076 674141 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is less to memorize < 1418189224 301933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1418189231 50585 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well also because it is easier for me to write an implementation ifi don't need to build a parse tree < 1418189341 522166 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1418189417 714394 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1418189418 503046 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1418189755 903152 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Scrip714]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41404&oldid=41296 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (+67) 10uploaded super unstable release < 1418189850 507928 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Scrip714]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41405&oldid=41404 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (-26) 10updated example for super unstable version < 1418190106 215426 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Scrip714]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41406&oldid=41405 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (+0) 10updated literals < 1418191347 186187 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My prescription glasses are a gimmick < 1418191355 846841 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're effectively 3D glasses for the real world < 1418191729 896125 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kbisiuyxxfhikjos QUIT :Quit: , < 1418192793 763906 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-113-127-236.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1418192820 72440 :scounder!~scounder@fallout.stormbit.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1418195030 395996 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1418195326 902783 :scounder!~scounder@fallout.stormbit.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1418196384 445697 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1418197219 144935 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh slist is a thing that is happening < 1418197223 169977 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although looking at the list you mayswell just ping me < 1418197296 592873 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's the past < 1418197677 777689 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1418199749 772480 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ;) < 1418200307 1688 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.introducingcarrot.com/ < 1418200357 642612 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lololol! < 1418200375 301936 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :generic marketing words < 1418200489 645168 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/jaden_coding < 1418200751 299502 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want carrots now. < 1418200806 659379 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha! i don't eat any real vegetables, only fried potatoes and onions < 1418200869 471624 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"want C's safety and BF's readablity? then look no further than scrip7!" < 1418201054 726382 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, scrip7 seems quite readable compared to BF < 1418201059 621275 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a middle ground < 1418201927 814033 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hollerith notation is now implemented < 1418201939 981653 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause quotes suck < 1418201966 6023 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :13"Hello, World! < 1418202007 804177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't look LR(0), oren < 1418202027 757084 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it not? it reads once from left to right? < 1418202051 320696 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no backtracking < 1418202075 378490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok. < 1418202078 875448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are your number literals like? < 1418202148 606760 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for integers 1234, for floats 1343.2231, for hex 4%ff = ffffffff. the space at the end of a hex literal is mandatory < 1418202231 606469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parsing such Hollerith notations would require to know what is previously parsed in order to decide what to do next (actually, I suppose it could be done without but then the parsing table would need to be infinite). < 1418202272 574228 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it just allocates n bytes and then memcpys the next n bytes into the string < 1418202290 644869 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not detect end of code or anything. < 1418202325 660246 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will copy the next n bytes of memory after the " into the string < 1418202352 219825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know that < 1418202369 676092 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is effectively one token < 1418202397 985573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means the parser needs to read the entire number first to know how to do and cannot use an ordinary parsing table or regular expression or anything like that < 1418202455 200806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I am not entirely sure. Let's see if a LR parsing table can actually do it by itself. < 1418202524 545142 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that the interpreter i wrote does not have a lexer or a parser or anything, it is just a ream of ad-hoc code, and therefore things like LR(0) don't really even apply) < 1418202539 606575 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite this, a manual parser/lexer shoudn't be too difficult to parse this. < 1418202594 480955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: what I mean is that in 123456789"q you don't know whether the 1 starts a string or number literal until you see the H. < 1418202597 486735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, the ". < 1418202647 834227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Perhaps it doesn't apply to your implementation (and as you say, it shouldn't!), but still it is meaningful to say whether or not it is LR(0) or whatever, as well as to say token or the byte stream < 1418202719 221021 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm can you not define-- string_lit ::= integer_lit '"' binary_data < 1418202759 528380 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the lexer needs to be too complex < 1418202785 701140 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that isn't LR(0). < 1418202790 220974 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are correct that implementation won't work of course. < 1418202878 796352 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm i don't think hollerith strings are LR(0) which essentially means that the "conceptual complexity" is higher than the "real complexity" because real computers are arbitrarily focused on integers... < 1418202937 202215 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have primitives for integers that don't appear in regular expressions or general parsers. < 1418203213 547687 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "real complexity" of parsing a hollerith string involves pointer arithmetic and the expression i=i*10+c-'0' neither of which are primitive to a symbol-based computing environment like a regex < 1418203573 825245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a combinator parser it might look like: hollerith = (integerLiteral <* quotationMark) >>= thisManyCharacters; See the ">>=" is involved which means it involves "impure action symbols". < 1418203596 172447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: what < 1418203618 935102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing you said made much sense < 1418203638 443005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're way too focused on details of machine representation when talking about something in the realm of theory... < 1418203708 121764 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm... is it wrong to say that regexes work on symbols while real computers in general work on numbers? < 1418203723 428874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind < 1418203778 919755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real computers in general work on bits, isn't it? So, you cannot actually use numbers too large to fit in the memory. < 1418203898 394153 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a major difference but the difference salient to the problem at hand is that a real computer can compute the value of "43" as an integer and use that to tell how long the string is, while a regex can't (at least not easily). < 1418203929 819975 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a lexer implemented as general code can do this easily while a lex lexer can't < 1418203986 203698 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is all i'm saying: regex engines do not have arithmetic < 1418203997 697516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that's all, then OK < 1418204080 408157 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still wonder if such a thing would be actually possible though in the unbounded way using such mathematical models as regex or LR or whatever else; another model is Ligature Machine and I wonder if any variants of the Ligature Machine are capable of such thing. < 1418204768 126457 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RingCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41407&oldid=41402 5* 03TomPN 5* (-35) 10/* Syntax */ < 1418204849 540721 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RingCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41408&oldid=41407 5* 03TomPN 5* (+52) 10 < 1418204920 771696 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RingCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41409&oldid=41408 5* 03TomPN 5* (+107) 10 < 1418205368 459776 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of ligature machine, i think key question is given a number in decimal N, can we produce the string of N symbols? < 1418205399 683249 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :converting decimal to unary would help considerably < 1418205458 673085 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07IDTM14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41410 5* 03TomPN 5* (+629) 10Created page with "'''IDTM''', or Infinite Dimensional Tengwar Meltdown, is an esoteric programming language written by Tom Price-Nicholson in 2014. IDTM draws together ideas from his earlier pr..." < 1418205545 48848 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tengwar are awesome but they are not easily distinguishable... < 1418205681 343137 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07IDTM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41411&oldid=41410 5* 03TomPN 5* (+294) 10 < 1418205733 573362 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the tengwar language from Lord of the Rings" -- youv'e got to be trolling me, aaaaaaa < 1418205960 451910 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:IDTM14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41412 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (+125) 10blahg < 1418206177 372568 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07IDTM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41413&oldid=41411 5* 03TomPN 5* (+912) 10 < 1418206675 103579 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07IDTM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41414&oldid=41413 5* 03TomPN 5* (+484) 10 < 1418207901 55383 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07IDTM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41415&oldid=41414 5* 03TomPN 5* (+1979) 10 < 1418207951 774523 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RingCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41416&oldid=41409 5* 03TomPN 5* (+65) 10/* See also */ < 1418207993 41122 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07IDTM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41417&oldid=41415 5* 03TomPN 5* (+100) 10 < 1418208013 632825 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dimensions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41418&oldid=41396 5* 03TomPN 5* (+67) 10/* See also */ < 1418208030 829802 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Quantum Dimensions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41419&oldid=41397 5* 03TomPN 5* (+42) 10/* See also */ < 1418208044 760967 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Musical notes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41420&oldid=41394 5* 03TomPN 5* (+42) 10/* See also */ < 1418208088 945763 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41421&oldid=41398 5* 03TomPN 5* (+11) 10/* I */ < 1418208133 907132 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:TomPN14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41422&oldid=41399 5* 03TomPN 5* (+10) 10/* Other esolangs */ < 1418208250 116283 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07IDTM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41423&oldid=41417 5* 03TomPN 5* (+0) 10/* The Tehtar */ < 1418208259 312215 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07IDTM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41424&oldid=41423 5* 03TomPN 5* (+0) 10/* Instructions */ < 1418208593 50395 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:TomPN14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41425 5* 03TomPN 5* (+354) 10Created page with "Also know as Tom Price-Nicholson. I have created a bunch of esolangs. Here is a list in chronological order: * [[Musical notes]], 2014 * [[Dimensions]], 2014 * Quantum Dim..." < 1418209735 672774 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...And here I am endlessly agonizing over what my first esolang should be. < 1418209763 637289 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid JOIN :#esoteric < 1418209833 386109 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zemhill, help < 1418209861 98930 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid, what was your first esolang? < 1418209971 342703 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1418210007 954992 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i knew, it's probably just boring old brainfuck though < 1418210041 972119 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, language that you authored. < 1418210091 960167 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't created any esolangs < 1418210146 399756 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have y0ou? < 1418210155 852023 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried, but I didnt come up with something original yet < 1418210178 449211 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, sorry. I would have guessed that you had. < 1418210193 195404 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this shame consumes me < 1418210207 840188 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in the same boat. < 1418210223 374143 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could coauthor one < 1418210255 809066 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418210271 989975 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.189.73.138 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1418210315 871920 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that could be interesting. At the very least it would help knock some ideas around. < 1418210769 698632 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/McCulloch%27s_second_machine < 1418210771 893065 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to solve this too < 1418210853 773978 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I saw that earlier. By solve, you mean " User:b_jonas would like to see a proof..." < 1418210857 176022 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1418210859 454517 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1418210863 347607 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks far too difficult though < 1418211082 719917 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if the machine is TC equivalent, that would mean it is not possible. < 1418211104 611695 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1418211317 492473 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it feels like a 3x+1 function. < 1418211338 406216 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Collatz, I mean. < 1418211406 461963 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1418211418 246221 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you could code a 3x+1 style iteration into it that would be very interesting < 1418211513 146418 :mroobmoobn!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember what my first esolang was < 1418211518 735691 :mroobmoobn!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not on the esowiki < 1418211520 989733 :mroobmoobn!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch NICK :mroman < 1418211531 373940 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not burlesque? < 1418211685 756133 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what my first esolang was, and I believe the spec has been lost < 1418211957 692451 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1418212271 917866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1418212318 98360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh the driver died _again_... no wait it suddenly showed up. < 1418212322 334183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew < 1418212380 679661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it had an exclamation mark for a moment... and now i'm having trouble with its menu. < 1418212428 64420 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: http://codepad.org/Xd33Oy5f < 1418212429 836314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok seems to be working. < 1418212430 335192 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what < 1418212435 401419 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was more like something like that < 1418212455 21302 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Burlesque wasn't my first esolang by far :D < 1418212495 686402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i have a driver for my touchpad that sometimes dies after hibernating the computer and then my touchpad gets very annoying to use (no scrolling), and the only way i've found to fix it is to reboot windows entirely. < 1418212508 722498 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, I thought you meant like a bus driver < 1418212524 913680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no. in fact i rarely take the bus. < 1418212529 711470 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just invented an esolang: tree-Brainfuck < 1418212546 904616 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has two new operators, PUSH and POP which let you manage a tree of tapes < 1418212555 395914 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is much easier to program in than brainfuck < 1418212616 32444 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the tape head is here: 0101010101[1]010111 then when you push do stuff and pop, anything left of [] will be retained, but anythig right of [] will be deleted < 1418212620 268466 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean reverted < 1418212715 706317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: is this your rite of passage < 1418212755 675130 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be called brainstacks < 1418212826 116672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I parsed it as if it was about a person, too. < 1418212852 159291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ARE YOU SAYING PERSONS ARE DYING INSIDE MY COMPUTER TDNH < 1418212865 377483 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan have you thouht about mchullochs second machine? < 1418212876 914163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, in fact i think i've nearly solved the problem < 1418212898 741060 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's what makes it run. < 1418212923 28834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: always knew computers were fiendish, but... < 1418212953 495626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my only remaining case is when there are no 3's and exactly 2 5's < 1418212972 608353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and whatever 2's and 4's) < 1418213005 993294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ^ < 1418213046 655097 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn!! < 1418213048 788142 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice workk < 1418213124 169574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the remaining case is somewhat complicated though, e.g. 5252 is immortal but 2525 is not < 1418213294 30871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i think 2442 as a substring is equivalent to 2 < 1418213322 649045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1418213340 801919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not necessarily < 1418213366 390741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first 2 could be prefixed by a 5 say < 1418213402 607819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :5244252 -> 4425244252 -> 5244252 oh hm that case works < 1418213574 440912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :425245 -> 5425 -> 55 hm < 1418213703 273737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :42252245 -> 542252 -> 252252 --> 252252 so it can be immortal even if the second 5 is last < 1418213775 530721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this point, it's the 4's that seem to complicate matters < 1418213823 857206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, any string iterates either to this stage or to one which is obviously mortal or obviously immortal < 1418213840 526107 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok < 1418213846 502572 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome! < 1418213857 46884 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how you found that out < 1418213875 376671 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, the 4 definitely complicate the matters, it's the twist. < 1418213977 2447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: the first thing to notice is that if you have a string of the form x ++ y ++ z, then in less than length(x)+length(z) iterations it will either die or get to a string that starts with y or reverse(y) < 1418214016 8898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how you prove that strings with digits other than 2,3,4,5 cannot be immortal, for one thing < 1418214021 131603 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um, no, you need some more restrictions to make that precise < 1418214036 278833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: are you sure? < 1418214062 218822 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: x=3, y=2, z=3 is a counterexample, it is immortal but never iterates to a string that starts with y or reverse(y) < 1418214078 194419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1418214103 230835 :prontotest!pronto@tasty.bagels.xxx JOIN :#esoteric < 1418214104 256119 :prontotest!pronto@tasty.bagels.xxx PART :#esoteric < 1418214112 266350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1418214127 990634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right it's imprecise. < 1418214186 508670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that m() will be applied to something of that form < 1418214208 267320 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric < 1418214252 907663 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qvyqpzyijvggocli JOIN :#esoteric < 1418214279 388394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can possibly happen as part of the rule calculating a prefix < 1418214336 574517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it will start with something of the form [345]* ++ y or [345]* ++ reverse(y) < 1418214365 537091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully that is correct. < 1418214485 485871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, after getting digits outside [2345] out of the way, you can note that if there are 3's in the string, it will get to [345]*3 ++ s. if m(s) doesn't contain 3, then all 3's die; if m(s) _does_ contain 3, then this case is immortal. (because anything of the form ...3...2...3... is immortal) < 1418214545 774301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*all 3's disappear < 1418214594 531890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the remaining case has only [245] < 1418214676 653909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we count the number of [45]+ blocks in it. if there is just one, it is mortal. if there are three or more, it's immortal. (there's a ...5...2...5...2...5... rule similar to the ...3...2...3... one) < 1418214764 692676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1418214771 758442 :S1!~S1@p4FF930E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1418214778 286881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* 5[45]+ blocks < 1418214784 757048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs to have at least one 5 < 1418214784 937280 :S1!~S1@p4FF930E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART :#esoteric < 1418214962 300127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after a few steps of executing these blocks, you either will have merged the result blocks to one (thus mortal), expanded to more than two (thus immortal), or the two remaining blocks can only have one 5 each. < 1418215049 842928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it depends a lot on the surrounding pattern of 2's and 4's what happens, it seems. < 1418215073 847700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i haven't solved yet. < 1418215897 273266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess this case is hardest precisely because it _doesn't_ blow up trivially. < 1418217137 981352 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41426&oldid=41421 5* 03TomPN 5* (+25) 10/* Q */ < 1418217277 403564 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RingCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41427&oldid=41416 5* 03TomPN 5* (+2) 10/* Adding tehtar to form instructions */ < 1418217512 613849 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@c-73-31-240-150.hsd1.wv.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1418217516 747748 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@c-73-31-240-150.hsd1.wv.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1418217516 928258 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1418217547 162256 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RingCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41428&oldid=41427 5* 03TomPN 5* (+10) 10/* Syntax */ < 1418218045 409169 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07IDTM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41429&oldid=41424 5* 03TomPN 5* (+33) 10/* Instructions */ < 1418218087 768407 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07IDTM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41430&oldid=41429 5* 03TomPN 5* (+0) 10/* Entropy */ < 1418218849 607388 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafe { sgeo.attemt_to_get_through_day_without_phone(); ] < 1418218852 412246 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1418218866 944323 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1418218912 634586 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1418218947 997736 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a phone-to-be-called-and-call-people-with, or a phone-with-gps-to-know-where-you-are? < 1418218962 553958 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both < 1418218987 314818 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which of those is causing you to suffer? < 1418218996 78272 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the former is more signficant day to day, latter is going to be significant Friday < 1418219008 9227 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in a feeling of safety way < 1418219024 102848 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't necessarily use it all the time to keep safe, but like knowing it's there < 1418219056 835293 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it an ipod? < 1418219059 500936 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple phone < 1418219081 974908 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1418219101 887008 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a phone with what I am guessing is a damaged USB port < 1418219109 166291 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a spare phone < 1418219145 316786 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looked for my old phone, couldn't find it < 1418219191 626818 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFK < 1418219906 484825 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 NICK :MDude < 1418220997 459148 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did Gosper discover the glider gun? < 1418221013 250119 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that he used an oscilloscope to display/animate GOL < 1418221221 675525 :indiagreen!~indiagree@nat3-minsk-pool-46-53-183-160.telecom.by PART :#esoteric < 1418221324 236339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, he did? < 1418221327 774840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so cool < 1418221501 283351 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1418221508 594561 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's earlire < 1418221525 263623 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oscilloscope was used to animate GoL, but only for simple constructs like the glider < 1418221528 659706 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gun is later < 1418221707 322721 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1418221741 847311 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1418221990 786867 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1418222300 935127 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1418222357 50872 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1418222400 882982 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeoDude < 1418222670 889889 :scounder!~scounder@fallout.stormbit.net QUIT :Changing host < 1418222671 107464 :scounder!~scounder@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1418223041 428340 :GeoDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude < 1418223230 947769 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1418223568 119444 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418223752 975517 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1418223762 456111 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1418223777 276440 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpgA2oCQj9o < 1418223794 576088 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computing pi in game of life < 1418225152 138495 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive JOIN :#esoteric < 1418225430 472890 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1418226047 861698 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1418226350 193261 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1418226855 462810 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-opqdngzjzawzimqv JOIN :#esoteric < 1418226945 875697 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-67-157.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1418227252 546844 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-opqdngzjzawzimqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the Finnish border isnt called the Finnish line im done with life < 1418227269 219670 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-opqdngzjzawzimqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also C worked thanks for telling me to use that < 1418227383 276776 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The joke is that finnish line sounds like finish line < 1418227391 984356 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prety good < 1418227481 818172 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-opqdngzjzawzimqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeh < 1418228378 398906 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find a download for Martin Gardner scientific american :( < 1418228503 614784 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-opqdngzjzawzimqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Torrent it < 1418228509 141120 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-opqdngzjzawzimqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or use deepweb < 1418228539 966260 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I do that? < 1418228604 585024 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-opqdngzjzawzimqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :VPN+t0r i think < 1418228612 771532 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-opqdngzjzawzimqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or go torrent it < 1418228632 459236 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-opqdngzjzawzimqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk what Martin garder is so ask someone here < 1418228696 891384 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1418228708 970980 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decensum, where do i get martin gardner scientific american? < 1418228741 408642 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The joke is that technically you are someone here, even though its already clear you dont know the answer < 1418228806 85516 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-opqdngzjzawzimqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why ask me? < 1418228862 484757 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke. < 1418228896 739903 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-opqdngzjzawzimqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see now < 1418228920 306416 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-opqdngzjzawzimqv PRIVMSG #esoteric ::I < 1418229695 216360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decensum: you're allowed to type "tor" < 1418229717 390005 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear sirens. < 1418229830 934687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was crated by the US naval research laboratory and the department of state is a major source of funding, talking about it is unlikely to produce any sirens in the US at least :p < 1418229840 537974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*created. *developed, even, whatever < 1418229863 78851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: stop correcting yourself so fast i was going to make an indiana jones joke < 1418229911 174724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry, OCD refuses to cooperate with that request :p < 1418229915 143124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1418230034 730349 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jbqpxitzlsuonrdl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1418230034 910576 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-spftvzttfazixbrj QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1418230035 171240 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418230101 254396 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mxsxrmalwxhlwrio QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1418230105 530317 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-opqdngzjzawzimqv QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1418230126 717198 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qvyqpzyijvggocli QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1418231283 545740 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1418231314 634827 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1418231517 566765 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1418231852 774238 :axelcsep!~Android@1F2E3536.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1418232234 600786 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1418232930 837653 :axelcsep!~Android@1F2E3536.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1418233404 514278 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pvjpbcozjcoswvsx JOIN :#esoteric < 1418233512 128847 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1418233575 211385 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1418233575 391552 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com QUIT :Changing host < 1418233575 391660 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1418233696 553919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1418234347 81071 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-otriuvwyaalklvca JOIN :#esoteric < 1418234657 115641 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tnzexiursprkfpth JOIN :#esoteric < 1418234759 652819 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: conexion taimd aut < 1418234959 926931 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-67-157.public.wayport.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1418235683 370596 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-miklpgjdfwrgxpcf JOIN :#esoteric < 1418235784 35558 :augur!~augur@206-196-184-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1418235931 807283 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-byaazlwqibshtuqq JOIN :#esoteric < 1418236468 245084 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1418236660 467633 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :any tips on what i'll forget during an algorithm design exam? < 1418236760 495135 :dario!~dario@net-2-33-7-76.cust.dsl.teletu.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1418236920 128358 :dario!~dario@net-2-33-7-76.cust.dsl.teletu.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1418236954 551745 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1418236993 899770 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1418237050 513443 :dario!~dario@net-2-33-7-76.cust.dsl.teletu.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you? < 1418237077 937885 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :great! < 1418237135 306976 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1418237373 546209 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainntree: BF on infinite tree of cells ratger than a tape < 1418237394 723537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :braingraph < 1418237408 507340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually sounds kind of interesting :/ < 1418237425 2596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe add some way to tie the graph up circularly and then restrict loops somehow < 1418237434 198985 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :would need a way to specify the topology of graph < 1418237456 740574 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in informal sense of "topology") < 1418237502 319723 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how many edges each vertex has, how many vertices it loops at, ets < 1418237508 13896 :augur!~augur@206-196-184-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1418237541 516561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming you'd change the graph structure dynamically as it executes < 1418237554 337929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :reify control into it < 1418237595 418973 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! then the [ statement would be a fork in the graph < 1418237607 229889 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a zero and nonzer edge < 1418237632 774691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I was rather thinking that you'd only get a simple restricted (not TC on a tape) control structure < 1418237639 503914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'd have to make it TC by tying the graph up appropriately < 1418237672 395033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, only "balanced" loops, but you can change the edges dynamically during the loop < 1418237743 670586 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1418238035 216793 :augur!~augur@206-196-184-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1418238584 229492 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1418238604 295633 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1418238609 213102 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1418238623 214418 :S1!~S1@p4FF93A57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1418238674 585995 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which NPC problems are good for reducing problems to? < 1418238776 632151 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reducing problems from... < 1418239236 40096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Throw a 21-sided die, pick result from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karp%27s_21_NP-complete_problems < 1418239360 443203 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. i'll write those down and that will be my aid sheet for algorithms/computability < 1418239398 106572 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1418239429 645546 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else in the course is simple, i just need to know which famous problems are actually known to be NPC < 1418239434 956178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i reduce this problem to deckard cain being trapped in tristram hth < 1418239458 326917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google which famous problems are actually known to be NPC < 1418239459 613413 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NP-complete_problems < 1418239459 793930 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: List of NP-complete problems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1418239514 763705 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can write their names and descriptions down on my aid sheet for the exam. it's lucky that i get to make an aid sheet... < 1418239614 571710 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, subset sum! i forgot that one! < 1418239657 747737 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sokoban < 1418239710 300464 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sokoban is pspace-complete, so too hard. < 1418239770 681705 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1418239782 485962 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::B < 1418239805 274503 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the binary puzzle. < 1418239834 903296 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed there don't seem to be many solvers for those, but perhaps it's just a case of no one knowing about them or bothering. < 1418239921 620523 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like Pousse) < 1418240154 391532 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca QUIT :Quit: lunchtaim < 1418241028 493518 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1418241051 410579 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode JOIN :#esoteric < 1418241081 3609 :axelcsep!~Android@1F2E3536.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1418241754 403704 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1418241779 378260 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode JOIN :#esoteric < 1418241887 203229 :dario!~dario@net-2-33-7-76.cust.dsl.teletu.it QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1418241947 420826 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1418242037 720550 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1418242734 259467 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1418243090 498394 :jose__!ba69c807@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.200.7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418243161 602578 :jose__!ba69c807@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.200.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really big the portal, is there some esoteric social network in existence? < 1418243218 320588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just IRC, I think < 1418243228 549037 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone good at derivatives of data types? < 1418243254 975980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: What question do you have about it other than that? < 1418243255 256543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got an AAAA+++++ on my derivatives of data types course < 1418243265 657586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was on ebay) < 1418243316 451677 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I'm not sure how to write movement functions for data T a = Branch (T a) a (T a), I have already got data Z a = ZL (Z a) a (T a) | M T T | ZR (T a) a (Z a) < 1418243399 246228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not quite sure either < 1418243442 208341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the term "M T T" in your definition look like wrong to me, it is the wrong kind, isn't it? < 1418243461 2040 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-byaazlwqibshtuqq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1418243482 699822 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank for the correction, I've changed it to M (T a) (T a) now < 1418243545 628608 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I thinkn that I have it now < 1418243699 795572 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1418243742 980414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it does look correct to me < 1418245087 288340 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1418245193 472724 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1418245222 115888 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1418245247 8452 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pvjpbcozjcoswvsx QUIT : < 1418245367 478138 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1418245720 681769 :jose__!ba69c807@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.200.7 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1418246151 25375 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brainfuck interpreter doesnt work :( < 1418246271 967277 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm it does < 1418246520 825562 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to find a silly D&D game so I can get this character :( < 1418246602 780671 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I read all the input in haskell? < 1418246607 476493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What character is it exactly? < 1418246623 456958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: You can use "getContents" although that is using lazy I/O < 1418246639 741066 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1418246696 273867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Lazy I/O makes the IO monad to be impure, I think.) < 1418246731 114113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The way some kinds of errors are trapped also makes the IO monad to be impure.) < 1418246816 727779 :S1!~S1@p4FF93A57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1418246865 928715 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have implemented a new brainfuck derivative < 1418246879 207703 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to try to write some programs with it that couldn't be done in brainfuck < 1418247164 621016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the new features though? < 1418247199 531819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck is Turing complete, so it can do any function computable in a Turing machine when using the standard I/O model and not others. < 1418247225 227439 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, instead of being based on a right infinite array of cells, it is based on a infinite binary tree < 1418247244 594569 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead of < and > , we have ^ (back) and < > to traverse down left or right branches < 1418247393 284171 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea for an esolang that would help children to toy around without a computer? < 1418247410 33334 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitwise cyclic tag> < 1418247455 896391 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1418247505 310833 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/116196 < 1418247509 185442 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an example of this < 1418247517 81540 :augur!~augur@206-196-184-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1418247531 905730 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can swap two cells by using a third 'outside' one < 1418247539 512210 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not possible in brainfuck < 1418247617 552749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not possible" is an awfully heavy statement. You can alternate the tape between "data" cells and spare cells, and do the same. < 1418247649 397150 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think what im saying is contraversial < 1418247759 476606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends on what you mean when you say it, of course. But "not possible" kind of makes it sound like you'd be saying you couldn't e.g. write an interpreter for your thing in brainfuck. < 1418247762 535205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using such a binary tree may make it far more suitable for some things, although its computation class isn't affected by such. < 1418247782 956929 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write an interpreter for this in brainfuck < 1418247802 479947 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1418247805 808475 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof: I've implemented it in haskell < 1418247966 519265 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1418248708 702499 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1418248724 869892 :augur!~augur@206-196-186-153.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1418248732 406092 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode JOIN :#esoteric < 1418248772 637836 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1418248819 63466 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode JOIN :#esoteric < 1418248854 480340 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will try to find some things that you can progarm in it shorter than you can do in brainfuck, or other interesting ways it beats brainfuck < 1418248907 412296 :dts_!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode JOIN :#esoteric < 1418248928 22181 :dts_!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode PART :#esoteric < 1418249026 117080 :axelcsep!~Android@1F2E3536.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1418249115 249604 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ABC14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41431&oldid=33852 5* 03BCompton 5* (+48) 10/* Interpreters */ dead links < 1418249284 932099 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/ABC < 1418249290 224189 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could it be marked as sub-turing? < 1418249584 469414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds relatively safe. If we had a category for that in general, and not just more specific things? < 1418249609 591302 :augur!~augur@206-196-186-153.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1418249662 170066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you even meant a category by "marked", as I assumed.) < 1418249770 415939 :augur!~augur@206-196-186-153.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1418250046 859080 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would "invert the accumulator" meam exactly? < 1418250143 551067 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1418250661 918109 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1418250878 549238 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-51.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1418251759 793484 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-51.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1418251878 369208 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.73.138 NICK :AndoDaan < 1418252373 332393 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1418252674 322882 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:CrazyM4n14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41432 5* 03CrazyM4n 5* (+89) 10created page < 1418252740 790282 :augur!~augur@206-196-186-153.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1418252777 344933 :augur!~augur@206-196-186-153.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1418252786 914471 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other day being a slow day at work, I got going making a fungot style for our commit messages < 1418252787 154751 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: he wrote the scheme plugin for irssi? without indentation support and such? compared to windows < 1418252799 182358 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nah < 1418252799 650313 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: there can be no side effects; they _must_ have happened earlier, and maybe scheme48, though i'm not personally aware of them, i'm afraid. < 1418253107 356908 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main thing that my brainfuck lets you do is encode temp varibales in bianry (>><><>) rather than unary (>>>>>>>>>>>>) < 1418253120 296327 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has potentially more power, just very hard to use.. < 1418253233 458735 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't gotten to try running a fungot instance (lacking an IRC server etc), but oddly enough the instructions in the repo seem to work < 1418253233 883490 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 14:25:48 rj: no such file or directory." just like that.) thanks for the tip jonnay < 1418253366 105010 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not just temp variablesthough.. you can get a new infinite tree at any point, i dont know how to use that though < 1418253394 484440 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, heh, dthey didn't work for fungot < 1418253394 690502 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what about it?) in bingen that are even cheaper... so i might as well < 1418253494 719283 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are some programs very hard to write in brainfuck? maybe I can find simple implementations in this < 1418253503 908321 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would justify it < 1418253517 770206 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: fungot probably can't follow simple instructions < 1418253517 984721 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's where i learned to trigger a page load. ( filename.ss), < 1418253631 989350 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://archive.org/ is doing a wikipedia style fundraiser < 1418253668 651707 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone have an archive of "Keymaker's many brainfuck programs"? http://www.73b.org/ < 1418253829 497082 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1418254145 966324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I was sure I had still in the instructions the "I have to eat now, I'll document this later" comment, but seems that I only had that online for maybe four years before fixing it. < 1418254166 642536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1418254195 257269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I see it's still missing Appendix A.) < 1418254234 905877 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed that, but I didn't see any references to Appendix A < 1418254242 841334 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If cluid comes back, I found https://github.com/johanvanl/Brainfuck-Interpreter/tree/master/examples/73b < 1418254254 936044 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it meant to contain? < 1418254256 177170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Step 5, "For format specification, see Appendix A of this document." < 1418254262 962206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Not terribly crucial, perhaps. < 1418254265 745393 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that < 1418254305 671023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also VariKN's new home is https://github.com/vsiivola/variKN and it's up to a 1.1 release.) < 1418254361 94164 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, the instructions explicitly mentioned 1.0.2 though < 1418254371 9093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do, but not for any particular reason. < 1418254383 426100 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems to need an old version of gcc to compile < 1418254383 767009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was the newest version when the instructions were written, is all. < 1418254423 743706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ARPA n-gram model format is quite standard, chances are a modern VariKN version would work as well. < 1418254478 515059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there's some theoretical reason I can't possibly remember why, if the -E option is x, the -D option should be... er, maybe x/2. Or possibly vice versa. Or maybe it was some other factor than 2. But there's a relationship there. < 1418254681 922545 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing I had a problem with was running into the 2 million token(?) limit in the fungot format < 1418254682 182074 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: as if thats going to be < 1418254691 338933 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Simplefunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41433&oldid=40413 5* 03CrazyM4n 5* (+228) 10 < 1418254727 973269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finally remembered to find the file for the flaky driver while it was still running < 1418254732 394887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes, you may need to prune rare words. < 1418254736 772452 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the fnording happens at the last step and the model includes all the singleton tokens? < 1418254826 829583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Actually, there's no fnording in the model construction if you follow the instructions literally. < 1418254891 62583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: VariKN has vocabulary prune options ("-f N" keeps only the N most common words, and "-d N" drops all words that occur less than N times) that you can use. < 1418254896 843440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to fnord, or not to fnord, that is the question < 1418254929 424169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: From what I recall, though, it actually drops all ngrams where OOV words occur, rather than mapping them to a single OOV token. You'd have to do some manual processing to fnord. < 1418254953 285594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's probably not true. < 1418254960 767292 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that strictly less than? i.e. -d 1 does nothing and -d 2 removes tokens that only happen once? < 1418254975 75861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because there's also a -N option that will "remove n-grams containing OOV words". < 1418254978 137593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I believe. < 1418254991 941296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just try. < 1418255115 390424 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the token count got below the limit after unifying integers, splitting on dashes and underscores and some other mangling < 1418255118 103907 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there were something like 100k unique bug numbers referenced) < 1418255137 124383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be <= instead of <, unlike what the documentation implied. < 1418255149 810168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "-d 0" will do nothing, and "-d 1" will drop singleton words. < 1418255231 899049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given the Zipfian distribution you usually get, probably "-d 1" is often enough. < 1418255316 121856 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zipf is a pretty good name to have when having things named after yourself < 1418255415 439587 :augur!~augur@206-196-186-153.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1418255485 88251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :After some empirical testing, I'd say both the -f and -d options actually do fnord the model. < 1418255495 887710 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hmm, wonder what the worst name for that is... like, the name that has the most different things named after it) < 1418255531 397594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gauss is pretty bad, though often someone else's name gets included to disambiguate. < 1418255535 335380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_things_named_after_Carl_Friedrich_Gauss < 1418255602 672989 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1418255761 191208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, Euler. There's a [[List of things named after Leonhard Euler]], and the general [[Category:Lists of things named after mathematicians]], and its higher-level generalizations (apparently mathematicians are scientists are people). < 1418255874 594483 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418255877 246367 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to a theorem of euler, ... < 1418255997 457826 :axelcsep!~Android@1F2E3536.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric