00:00:43 int-e: I wouldn't know, I don't use emacs (or vim either, to avoid starting arguments :P) 00:01:27 Just use $EDITOR, nuff said. 00:01:53 <|oren\> ed is the standard editor 00:02:04 ill ask later.. 00:02:10 I *can* use ed to make simple edits. 00:03:03 http://i.imgur.com/SS87Vwe.png I regret trying ed 00:03:12 <|oren\> anyone who knows vi well can use ed if they remeber which commands are new in vi 00:03:16 CrazyM4n: q 00:03:32 CrazyM4n: possibly q! or Q if you actually managed to edit anything. 00:03:54 <|oren\> ed man! man ed 00:03:55 I was in /dev with no root I think I'm safe 00:04:24 yes, ed is world-renown for its informative error messages. 00:04:30 renowned. 00:04:35 <|oren\> use H hth 00:05:34 ctrl-d seems to work to quit too (unless you've managed to get into some weird mode first) 00:06:06 * olsner just made a two-line text file in ed! 00:06:11 <|oren\> the easiest editor is cat. sometimes i write whole programs with cat. 00:07:18 binary search is so annoying to implement hth 00:07:42 <|oren\> call bsearch hth 00:07:55 cat isn't a very good editor since you can't go back 00:08:01 (imo) 00:08:27 <|oren\> cluid: that is why you must make up for it by being a great programmer! 00:08:43 i sort of want to make an editor now 00:08:52 similar to cat but more advanecd 00:09:13 CrazyM4n: http://sprunge.us/RERS - it's just vi without the visual ;-) 00:09:15 cluid: you can go back on the same line 00:09:20 that's pretty advanced 00:09:21 wow! 00:09:24 I didny know that 00:09:32 yeah because terminals are line-buffered 00:09:34 <|oren\> using backspace 00:09:42 did I just boost your workflow 00:09:46 tripled your productivity 00:11:06 surely 'sed -i' is the ed-derivative of choice 00:12:34 int-e: Ed is actually, you know, kinda cool 00:12:43 It looks like it, at least 00:13:55 once I did some editing with ed just so I could say I did 00:14:28 it's a good very bad editor. if you'd like a very bad editor I recommend ed 00:14:37 <|oren\> ok, i am now working on a crude editor which i shall call kitten. 00:14:46 elliott, how does it compare to teco 00:15:13 uhh 00:15:16 #esoteric-text-editors 00:15:20 I think teco was less horrible to use but weirder 00:16:02 so i looked at the teco manual 00:16:04 <^G><^G>Deletes the entire command string 00:16:04 <^G>Types current line of command string 00:16:11 definitely two commands you want close together 00:16:39 the mud i played back in 1992 or so had an internal editor that was ed-like. that was my gateway drug to vi. 00:18:11 gateway drugs are meant to be towards worse things 00:18:24 OH 00:18:24 that's more like you kicked your meth habit to smoke weed 00:18:32 oerjan: was it an lpmud? 00:18:36 int-e: indeed 00:19:22 that ed actually produced helpful (well, sometimes) error messages :) 00:19:36 I just realized how many gateway drugs I must have taken to get to liking esolangs 00:21:31 <|oren\> Forth, Scheme and APL are on the edge... 00:21:33 CrazyM4n: completely scrambled your brain, man 00:22:22 |oren\: hm i may have known about all those (possible another lisp instead) before starting esolanging 00:22:24 Quick unrelated question - how do I get to emacs without a GUI (in the terminal) 00:22:35 I don't really think so 00:22:41 scheme seems like a completely reasonable programming language 00:22:50 and so does forth too, but for a very specialized purpose 00:22:51 CrazyM4n: emacs should be a command? 00:23:02 It starts the X version 00:23:06 APL of course was used quite practically but only long ago 00:23:29 CrazyM4n: DISPLAY= emacs perhaps? 00:23:32 RIP APL 00:23:36 emacs -nw 00:23:36 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 00:23:45 ehthanks 00:23:47 *thanks 00:23:49 (i guess elliott gave the better option) 00:24:10 time to learn emacs 00:24:26 <|oren\> cluid: the point is the 00:24:37 Anyway, my gateway drug to programming was http://roblox.com/ (ofc) 00:24:49 <|oren\> "standard languages"are all ALGOL derivatives 00:25:06 -!- mihow has joined. 00:25:07 <|oren\> that is, at heart they are imperative 00:25:20 http://i.imgur.com/GI6YACB.png Aaa what did I do 00:25:26 scheme is an algol derivative 00:25:33 <|oren\> and they use a complex syntax 00:25:40 that's why they call it the algolrithmic language scheme 00:25:54 <|oren\> scheme is not really, because its syntax is lisp 00:26:33 <|oren\> it might have some distant borrowings, but at heart it is functional and lispy 00:26:51 |oren\: i take it you prefer FORTRAN syntax then *runs and hides* 00:27:06 or COBOL 00:27:07 I prefer assembly syntax /s 00:28:08 doesn't BCPL -> B -> C form its own lineage 00:28:27 <|oren\> oerjan: i actually like scheme, but i like it because it is different from the other languages i know 00:28:34 cluid: actually it's because scheme was generated by an algorithm 00:29:12 <|oren\> Phantom_Hoover: yes, but it ultimately derives from Fortran through ALGOL 00:29:31 sussman was the name of guy l steele's computer 00:29:56 <|oren\> but most modern ALGOL derivatives derive from C it's true 00:29:58 well, wp gives an algol -> cpl -> bcpl derivation anyway 00:30:16 lol elliott 00:30:20 (i've been reading too much hatcher, i keep trying to parse that as an exact sequence of programming languages) 00:30:46 Phantom_Hoover: so what's the kernel of algol 00:31:07 whatever they didn't put into cpl i guess 00:31:40 Phantom_Hoover: that would mean that bcpl consists of precisely the parts of cpl that were orthogonal to algol 00:31:47 (hence conjuring the spirits of the computer with our spells) 00:31:47 exactness means they threw away everything from algol when they made bcpl, yes 00:34:29 they should have called programs spells and then lint would be a spell checker 00:35:15 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 00:35:16 <|oren\> oerjan: from now on i will refer to programs as spells 00:35:29 good, good 00:35:49 There are at least two canons where spells are effectively programs. 00:36:27 invoke 00:36:33 <|oren\> Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu is one. 00:36:43 sicp isn't a canon 00:36:46 what am I saying, yes it is 00:36:59 no it's not, you can't shoot a canonball out of it 00:37:11 spell invocation canonically presented 00:38:50 by Caine Steelman 00:40:43 hm i'm severaly mixed up there 00:41:18 i cant decide what to work on 00:41:22 programmign related thing.. 00:42:20 -!- azazel_ has joined. 00:42:48 ugh how can you remove a program that came with an install script 00:43:09 run the installer backwards 00:43:16 Genius 00:44:20 Aaaand it did nothing 00:47:46 hm someone should make a solution for clean uninstalls once and for all 00:47:54 write all installers in burro hth 00:48:06 (uninstalls of uncooperative software, that is) 00:48:12 . o O ( this is why I typically install software in a dedicated subdirectory in /opt ... which I can then just remove completely.) 00:48:23 oerjan: it's called a virtual machine :P 00:48:39 Well, since I can't uninstall this at all 00:48:40 `welcome azazel_ 00:48:49 eek 00:48:49 azazel_: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 00:48:50 I'm going to install the version form the repo and hope to god that it overwrites the last one 00:48:52 oh 00:49:03 what's the overhead like on running every installed program on a separate vm? 00:49:15 elliott: that sounds very course-grained 00:49:15 Phantom_Hoover: depends what kind of VM, honestly 00:49:18 @google qubes os 00:49:19 https://qubes-os.org/ 00:49:22 there's also things like 00:49:25 @google sandboxie 00:49:26 http://www.sandboxie.com/ 00:49:26 Title: Sandboxie - Sandbox software for application isolation and secure Web browsing 00:49:28 *coarse 00:49:29 How do you do that? Installing programs into a specific folder 00:49:30 (can't vouch for the security) 00:49:35 `relcomw azazel_ 00:49:36 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: relcomw: not found 00:49:36 oerjan: ah. I was wondering... 00:49:38 *c[aeiou]*rse 00:49:41 With proper paravirtualization, the computing overhead is minimal 00:49:45 darn you w 00:49:53 However, there is the human overhead 00:50:06 I use a chroot for some programs 00:50:06 `relcome azazel_ 00:50:06 Dang, overwriting it didn't do anything 00:50:08 Srs tho 00:50:08 azazel_: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 00:50:10 that only abstracts away the filesystem 00:50:12 Thur 00:50:16 'abstracts' is the wrong word.. 00:50:17 Purdy 00:50:43 if all you care about is uninstalls you can just use linux namespace type things or even just chroots yeah 00:51:20 hah, lunatic monster... 00:51:27 i now pronounce chroot in my head as 'cheroot' 00:51:55 The revolutionary Che Root (now jailed) 00:52:00 `` elcomew azazel_ | rainwords 00:52:00 bash: elcomew: command not found 00:52:08 yes, we do have a lunatic monster to destroy. oh and a train that's wreaking havoc in the monastery. 00:52:14 `` emoclew azazel_ | rainwords 00:52:15 (.ten.lad.cri no ciretose# yrt ,aciretose fo dnik rehto eht roF) .>/gro.sgnalose//:ptth< :ikiw ruo tuo kcehc ,noitamrofni erom roF !tnemyolped dna ngised egaugnal gnimmargorp ciretose rof buh lanoitanretni eht ot emocleW :_lezaza 00:52:39 Im done 00:52:44 .>/gro.sgnalose//:ptth< 00:52:45 (my last two comments may not make sense if your name isn't oerjan.) 00:53:03 int-e: I figured out the context pretty quickly 00:53:12 bring back people talking about DF and homestuck in here without warning imo 00:53:17 That bot is amazing 00:53:25 Phantom_Hoover: Where’s the ‹e› come from? 00:54:06 phonetics, whimsy 00:54:58 int-e: bets on whether he intends to fulfil that promise 00:55:15 and if so, what's the catch 00:55:43 hm i guess he'd want the book back. 00:55:57 Im dumb 00:56:05 Phantom_Hoover: I say it without. Like “Groot” but with the ‹g› replaced by a ‹ch›. 00:56:07 Compared to you guys 00:56:20 ch like in bach root 00:56:24 azazel_, what is the dumbest thing you have ever done 00:56:51 Gotta think 00:57:06 Locked myself out of my house 00:57:24 that's it?? 00:58:06 Also in code i, Made an infinite looper in my bot and it spammed a site and i didnt put anything to stop it in and i got banned ;-; 00:58:09 what's yours cluid 00:58:25 oerjan: hmm, the book. where did the book end up? http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20141210 looks like a magic trick, lots of diversions and poof, the book is gone. 00:58:49 haha 00:58:52 im not sure 00:58:53 oerjan: anyway, I think there'll be a catch that has nothing to do with the book; perhaps he'll send somebody with her. 00:59:05 cluid: maybe it was forgetting it 00:59:06 * azazel_ watches from afar 00:59:10 oerjan: and by "will" I mean "intends to" 00:59:16 btw welcome back dulnes 00:59:22 the other day i left the bag with all my diving stuff on a harbour somewhere 00:59:28 still kicking myself for that 00:59:32 oerjan: because it's not clear to me yet that the monks will cooperate in this plan :) 01:01:34 yeah a monk rebellion does not seem unlikely 01:01:53 except, he does have an army there. 01:01:56 I should go back to the wiki and look at some haskell stuff cuz i want to be good in it. 01:02:07 so probably not too overtly. 01:03:04 oerjan: "fine distraction" ;) 01:04:08 Anyway, the outcome is wide open. First they'll have to catch that train, and that'll be more fun if as many sparks as possible are involved. :) 01:04:24 good point 01:04:57 backstabbing, later. 01:07:48 speaking of which, I wonder whether henkma will produce a 79 characters Collatz parity entry... 01:09:04 oh well i guess violetta took care of it, then. btw do you know if that monster on friday's page is a cameo from somewhere? it feels familiar. 01:09:19 (he has three more spaces in their than I have, and only one can be attributed to a ; in my code) 01:09:55 well i dunno, i haven't tried that one 01:10:19 or wait, i did 01:10:35 currently at 93 chars 01:14:21 oerjan: Oh cameo, I didn't think of that ... hmmm. 01:26:22 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 01:28:25 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 01:33:38 -!- cluid has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:47:12 -!- CrazyM4n has quit (Quit: internet lag). 01:51:21 -!- dts|pokeball has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 01:53:25 -!- callforjudgement has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:53:41 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 01:55:19 -!- bobobobo has joined. 02:03:44 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:07:11 -!- bb010g has joined. 02:10:36 `? category 02:10:37 Categories are just a special case of bicategories. 02:10:39 `? bicategory 02:10:40 Bicategories are just categories where composition is only associative up to an isomorphism. 02:10:46 that's not very useful hth 02:10:55 or even true? 02:14:42 <|oren\> it can't be true, i can tell that even though i know nothing about whatever this is 02:15:04 <|oren\> two things can't be special cases of each other 02:15:26 fortunately the bicategory entry doesn't say it's a special case of a category 02:16:12 <|oren\> it basically does? it says they are "just categories" except for some behaviour that is limited 02:16:57 in a category composition is really associative. in a bicategory it's only associative up to isomorphism, which is more general. 02:17:01 that's not my objection 02:17:13 -!- scarf has joined. 02:17:14 <|oren\> i see. 02:20:45 -!- callforjudgement has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 02:25:50 <|oren\> shachaf: it looks like WP says bicategories are "weak 2-categories". if that's the case and not all categories are 2-categories, then there are categories that aren't 2-categories, and therefore aren't bi-categories 02:26:03 -!- CrazyM4n has joined. 02:35:47 -!- adu has joined. 02:37:04 <|oren\> shachaf: am i on the right track here? 02:42:14 <|oren\> ok, so it appears there are two usages of "category", on means things only with arrows between classes, and one means things with arbitrary levels of meta-arrows between arrows. in either case, there are categories that aren't 2-categories 02:44:48 i vaguely think categories are 1-categories 02:45:30 -!- bobobobo has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:50:00 HhOw do you keep annxiety attacks away? 02:50:30 Meditate? 02:50:41 Wrong chhanel ssory 03:07:26 . o O ( don't worry ) 03:08:21 -!- glguy_ has joined. 03:08:50 Malbolge seems to help with anxiety and stress 03:09:43 Im ok now. 03:09:57 And no CrazyM4n thats not helpful at all 03:11:16 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 03:11:58 D: 03:16:58 It says on the wiki most difficult langauge ever created 03:17:02 -!- ais523 has joined. 03:17:08 -!- scarf has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:20:44 <|oren\> By that logic, BASIC keeps anxiety attack away. 03:21:13 I was thinking of other infuriating things to do 03:21:27 And I thought of multi-platform bytecode polyglots 03:21:28 D: 03:33:38 too busy debugging to worry about anxiety attacks? 03:35:26 Im new to estoric stuff CrazyM4n and i have no idea what you just said 03:36:20 Bytecode, like the stuff executables are made out of 03:36:23 Compiled files 03:36:26 Like .exes 03:36:46 What if you hand created a .exe that works on multiple different architectures 03:37:03 Now that'd be anxiety inducing :P 03:37:13 [wiki] [[Deadfish]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41476&oldid=41465 * Oerjan * (-5) /* StaPLe */ Remove extra spaces 03:38:03 CrazyM4n: one main problem might be different magic numbers. but i don't know. 03:39:53 -!- AndoDaan has joined. 03:40:08 Probably, but that'd have to be changed 03:40:16 [wiki] [[Truth-machine]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41477&oldid=41472 * Oerjan * (+1) /* StaPLe */ Add one 03:40:47 There could be a loophole 03:41:05 Or, you can force linux to execute it by running chmod +x afaik 03:42:05 um that's not what chmod +x does 03:42:27 or rather, it _never_ executes it if it's not, so it has nothing to do with the format 03:43:16 Well 03:43:23 Yeah, but I'm pretty sure that it'll execute it anyway 03:43:28 If it's marked as executable 03:43:35 Let me try something 03:43:37 something like this has been discussed here before. iirc DOS .com files have no magic number 03:43:49 And people write .com files by hand, don't they? 03:44:00 CrazyM4n: Not often, but some people do, sure. 03:44:01 it happens 03:44:05 oerjan: Yep. 03:44:15 A .com file has no magic number and no real structure. 03:45:04 "programmer defined structure" 03:46:33 i expect windows may get away with it because it cares about file extensions for executables, unlike linux 03:47:05 -!- nys has quit (Quit: quit). 03:47:18 Oh yeah, com files were just instructions 03:47:24 That actually *could* work 03:49:01 `` echo fnord >test; chmod +x test; ./test 03:49:04 oerjan: Also, all *other* executable file formats actually have magic numbers on Windows. 03:49:07 So, I was gonna prove a point about every file on linux being maybe runnable 03:49:13 pikhq: ok 03:49:15 ./test: line 1: fnord: command not found 03:49:17 So I tried chmod +x'ing a .png 03:49:27 oh duh 03:49:28 http://i.imgur.com/gqk8OIt.png I almost want to know what that bottom error means 03:49:30 *Almost* 03:49:46 CrazyM4n: the shell tries to run it as a shell script. 03:49:51 shiny https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_binary#Combined_COM-style_binaries_for_CP.2FM-80_and_DOS 03:49:53 Oh, that's pretty normal weirdness. 03:49:55 I saw that 03:50:04 but iirc that doesn't work if it isn't run from a shell 03:50:08 oerjan: Actually, it's the libc. 03:50:14 pikhq: oh. 03:51:22 -!- adu has joined. 03:51:59 -!- glguy_ has quit (Quit: Part). 03:52:03 Basically, all the exec functions but execve run a program in the shell if they don't parse as normal executables. 03:52:12 CrazyM4n: i think you got some zalgo in your png hth 03:53:18 http://i.imgur.com/SWem1kZ.png S͉̜͓͉̳͕o̝͕̣̼͔ ̧͍̘̤̘ͅmu̖͇̳̤̤c͚̜̦̩͚̭̖h͙ ̝͈͈̟̬͖̬z̳͜a̛l͇͉͍͔̥̖̳g̮̤̙̤ͅǫ͖͍ 03:53:43 pikhq: at least that means there is a test for "normal executable" that may fail. 03:54:06 -!- glguy_ has joined. 03:55:34 -!- nisstyre has quit (Changing host). 03:55:34 -!- nisstyre has joined. 03:57:15 Yes. The kernel checks for an ELF header, the a.out header (if enabled), the #!, and any registered alternate binary formats. 03:57:33 And returns an error otherwise. 04:02:28 -!- adu has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:07:47 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 04:13:50 Eye sea watt yew did their 04:17:43 -!- glguy_ has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 04:19:25 -!- glguy_ has joined. 04:24:19 * pikhq loves that the kernel has alternate binary format support, FWIW 04:25:47 it has sooo many switches to disable. 04:35:38 -!- drdanmaku has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 04:35:52 -!- drdanmaku has joined. 04:36:00 -!- glguy_ has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 04:36:12 https://www.reddit.com/r/geek/comments/2pcyy0/letters_by_computer/ 04:39:16 aw dangit 04:39:27 I have my client to notify me whenever someone says "geek" 04:40:19 7-bit word D: 04:42:11 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite, dammit). 04:50:36 lol 04:52:38 You know I'm just gonna follow you around random channels and mention the word geek, now, GeekDude 04:52:47 >.< 04:53:06 I already get so many hilights from people mentioning geek squad in various help channels 04:53:28 heh 04:54:04 OH CRAP KSP BETA RELEASED TODAY 04:54:11 Time to waste my life away 04:54:15 :O 04:54:20 I've never played KSP 04:54:27 oh, also, I got my robots to do a new interesting thing 04:54:46 That interesting thing is? 04:55:52 Gosh you can't just leave me hanging 04:56:14 * GeekDude leaves CrazyM4n hanging 04:56:26 D: 04:56:44 Basically, I'm in the process of rewriting a very old piece of software 04:56:54 Said software was written for *shocker* Windows 98 04:57:03 I'm rewriting it for linux 04:57:36 Said software allows you to drive your little yellow LEGO Mindstorms RCX robot around remotely, with a webcam feed 04:58:05 I've got a php script that allows me to control the bot 04:58:18 and a passable webpage 04:58:27 so now I've just gotta figure out webcam stuff, and I'm golden 04:59:10 I can click a button on my website and make the robot move 04:59:22 I've got sliders for speed and duration 04:59:56 Sweet 05:00:00 so far the website looks like this https://db.tt/GcRRnQTx 05:00:15 The image on the left will be a feed from on the robot, the image on the right will be from overhead 05:00:16 Link to the original program? 05:00:33 -!- glguy_ has joined. 05:01:00 http://www.brickvista.com/features/redRover/redRover.html 05:01:30 Hmm 05:01:42 How are you rewriting it? 05:02:01 Are you disassembling it? Or intercepting the signals? Or what? 05:02:48 Careful study of existing reverse-engineered protocol specs 05:03:01 http://www.mralligator.com/rcx/ 05:04:13 Seems nifty 05:04:20 As far as I know, we're the last people actually using red rover 05:04:48 "we're"? Is this for some sort of research project or something? 05:05:08 Sortof 05:05:17 I have a long backstory if you wanna hear it 05:05:43 Sure 05:06:35 So, in 2010 I joined a "FIRST LEGO League" robotics team. The idea is that you build robots out of LEGO Mindstorms sets that do a certain set of tasks 05:07:02 Oh? So did I 05:07:16 through this, I met our (now sadly deceased) local LEGO fanatic 05:07:44 Before her passing, however, I became one of her biggest assistants 05:08:14 One of the things that she did was run the Red Rover on our local college website 05:08:39 However, we eventually lost funding and it was moved to one of my friends house 05:09:49 Since then, the original owner of the Red Rover setup has passed, as I mentioned above 05:11:43 I'd assume that model isn't really supported by anything anymore? 05:11:54 So now my friend and I are the official caretakers of the red rover 05:12:04 The RCX? 05:12:32 Interestingly enough, there are drivers for it included in the linux kernel 05:12:51 Specifically for it? Or just generic ones that work with it? 05:12:59 Specifically for it 05:13:09 Also, that story was actually pretty depressing 05:13:11 It's bizarre 05:13:29 So can't you just use those? Or look at their source, at least 05:14:20 The drivers just let you control the "IR Tower", but the actual information you send is up to yo 05:14:22 you* 05:14:38 Huh, that is quite weird 05:16:40 Anyways, seeing as windows 98 desktop is a relatively bad platform for a webserver, I figured it needed an overhaul of some kind 05:16:59 And since I actually have a bit of experience in web development, I figured I'd give it a go 05:18:49 Seems like quite a nice project 05:20:24 Seems like a very esoteric project to me 05:20:50 I'm also reminded of this XKCD https://xkcd.com/1095/ 05:22:10 Heh 05:22:40 Now we just need a group of one or two people focused on hacking the motors in it. 05:22:44 Specifically the motors. 05:23:55 well, the motors are pretty simple 05:24:08 They're literally just simple DC motors 05:24:12 not even servos :/ 05:24:19 http://aturingmachine.com/ 05:25:22 J_Arcane_: It won't let me connect 05:25:29 Ooo, I was just browsing the internet and found http://countercomplex.blogspot.com/2011/10/algorithmic-symphonies-from-one-line-of.html 05:25:46 I love stuff like this, creative coding-esq things 05:31:29 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 05:32:07 Welp, good night people 05:32:13 nitr 05:32:15 nightr 05:32:18 Goodnight* 05:32:42 -!- GeekDude has quit (Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)). 05:32:53 -!- CrazyM4n has quit (Quit: "sleep"). 05:37:52 -!- AndoDaan has quit (Quit: bbl). 05:56:22 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:56:34 -!- ais523 has joined. 06:42:56 -!- drdanmaku has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 07:03:14 The acoustics lab people had built a shout detector as a gift for a recent graduate, since one of his thesis papers was about shout detection. 07:03:17 It was built around an old army helmet (so that it's "robust"), and included a ring of LEDs around the rim. They lit up green when the wearer spoke, and red when he shouted, and there was also a loudspeaker that played out random samples from the shout corpus they had recorded for the paper when he shouted especially loudly. 07:03:22 All driven by a Raspberry Pi. We (a different research group in the same department) have a tradition of having some kind of a pun or a joke in the group gift, too, but that was a bit more elaborate than the norm. 07:04:44 :) 07:08:05 They also presented him with a "triploma". See, around here you get a diploma when you finish your master's degree, so it makes sense the doctoral degree includes a triploma. (I'm not sure when you get the monoploma.) 07:09:32 Bachelor's degree? 07:09:36 High school? 07:10:42 Probably something like that. 07:10:53 We didn't used to have separate bachelor's degrees. 07:13:04 in hebrew a bachelor's degree is called a "first degree" and a master's degree is called a "second degree" 07:13:18 so this triploma thing seems reasonable 07:13:19 My course at uni isn't separate but I think most in the UK are 07:13:30 Anyway I am off now to get dinner 07:14:24 These days they've "harmonized" things here to include a mandatory distinct bachelor's degree step here too. 07:14:37 Bah, fcolor has broken down again. 07:21:25 -!- glguy_ has quit (Quit: Quit). 07:38:19 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 07:41:09 -!- azazel_ has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 07:42:05 -!- callforjudgement has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:42:11 -!- scarf has joined. 07:43:26 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 07:43:48 -!- Patashu has joined. 08:24:28 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZXW_8lHx-E 08:28:16 -!- scarf has quit. 08:49:50 -!- nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 08:57:00 -!- mitchs_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:57:28 -!- mitchs_ has joined. 09:12:29 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 09:18:16 -!- nisstyre has joined. 09:57:29 -!- ais523 has joined. 10:00:03 -!- shikhin has joined. 10:00:27 -!- shikhin has changed nick to Guest31073. 10:01:17 -!- Guest31073 has changed nick to shikhout. 10:01:22 -!- shikhout has quit (Changing host). 10:01:22 -!- shikhout has joined. 10:01:35 -!- shikhout has changed nick to shikhin. 10:21:08 -!- glguy__ has joined. 10:47:48 [wiki] [[List of ideas]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41478&oldid=40775 * 195.74.132.98 * (+41) /* General Ideas */ fertilisation 10:49:59 -!- atslash has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 10:52:47 -!- ais523 has quit. 10:55:01 [wiki] [[List of ideas]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41479&oldid=41478 * 195.74.132.98 * (+68) /* Based on dimensions */ 11:15:12 -!- boily has joined. 11:15:38 -!- atslash has joined. 11:20:41 -!- atslash has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 11:31:42 http://wcook.blogspot.fi/2012/07/day-functional-programming-changed.html 11:34:07 [wiki] [[Talk:Ragaraja]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41480&oldid=33418 * Mauriceling * (+91) 11:37:58 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 11:55:58 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 11:56:21 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:57:49 -!- dianne has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 11:59:32 -!- dianne has joined. 12:11:21 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 12:15:09 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 12:15:29 -!- mitchs_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:15:29 -!- supay has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:15:39 -!- mitchs has joined. 12:15:55 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:17:16 -!- ocharles has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:17:20 -!- fungot has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:19:10 -!- ocharles_ has joined. 12:19:41 hellocharles_! 12:22:35 -!- boily has quit (Quit: HYPERGOLIC CHICKEN). 12:23:51 -!- zemhill has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:27:29 rello 12:28:08 -!- supay has joined. 12:32:17 -!- singingboyo has quit (*.net *.split). 12:35:17 -!- singingboyo has joined. 12:48:55 -!- |oren\ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 12:58:19 -!- sebbu has joined. 12:58:19 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 12:58:19 -!- sebbu has joined. 13:10:34 -!- cluid has joined. 13:15:21 is there something like pangrams based on pairs of letters? 13:16:51 I guess what I'm after is a text fragment in which every letter pair that appears in dictionary words (to be defined...) actually appears. 13:25:28 -!- GeekDude has joined. 13:34:17 -!- S1 has joined. 13:38:48 -!- oren has joined. 13:40:36 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 13:50:55 -!- shikhout has joined. 13:51:14 -!- oren has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 13:51:17 -!- shikhout has changed nick to Guest54343. 13:54:20 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 14:04:00 I stumbled on this little game, where one gets to kern some words manually. http://type.method.ac/ 14:04:19 The Internet is a strange place. :) 14:07:20 -!- oerjan has joined. 14:10:02 I don't get this game 14:10:02 int-e: "Diphonetically complete." 14:10:05 (Not a real term, I just made it up, and anyhow you wanted graphemes instead of phonemes.) 14:10:09 What does to kern actually mean? 14:10:40 !blsq_uptime 14:10:40 14d 4m 3s 14:10:50 researchers are allowed to make up terms, it's their job 14:10:57 Oh now I get it 14:10:59 Also ITYM "one gets to kem some words" hth 14:13:47 S1: kerning basically means to adjust the spaces between letters of a word (to make it look evenly spaced to the human eye). This may involve things like moving an e following a T a bit below the T. 14:13:58 (disclaimer: I'm not a typographer) 14:14:23 don't listen to int-e he's an accomplished font designer 14:14:25 Yes. 14:14:30 Yes I got it. Got 66 out of 100 points 14:14:32 AV for instance. 14:14:37 fizzie: I don't know what "kem" means, so definitely no. 14:15:34 http://www.ironicsans.com/2008/02/idea_a_new_typography_term.html 14:15:50 oh my god 14:16:00 google messes with the kerning if you search for "kerning" or "keming" 14:16:11 elliott: thanks! 14:16:21 that does make sense actually. 14:17:10 I had 77/100, and I completely failed one of them. Not too impressive. 14:19:11 59/100. I should try again not on a tablet 14:19:23 elliott: I think I knew that. 14:21:41 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 14:22:00 -!- tromp has joined. 14:22:19 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 14:22:19 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 14:22:59 Ooh, I got a 100/100 for one. (It's also a bit clunky on this tablet.) 14:23:05 elliott: I'm a bit disappointed though that the merchandise is not using an overlap of an r with an n... 14:23:14 -!- clog_ has joined. 14:23:20 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 14:23:49 -!- glguy___ has joined. 14:24:59 why isn't the pronunciation guide for that link in ipa :( 14:27:51