< 1419638422 567462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the same name, that is) < 1419638475 408070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess the problem here is that you want to temporarily change the reader to use that symbol for parsing x < 1419638503 999367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you would need to be able to mutate the usual symbol lookup table < 1419638529 988226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of this seems impossible to implement, but i don't know if anything supports it < 1419638562 896305 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1419638582 679041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then if you have (~~x 'x) is another thing meaning where whenever it is expanded/executed it becomes a new token if you have two tildes, always called "x" though, rather than only when it is being read. < 1419638637 757352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not sure what you mean there that isn't already implied by the reader case < 1419638746 150948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way i understand it, once read as a different symbol it wouldn't be turned into the usual symbol by anything other than turning it into a string and back again < 1419638831 583764 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is what I mean; if it is turned into a string and back again then it becomes the usual symbol. < 1419638936 914225 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another command can be ~( ... ) which creates a block without any name resolving at all (also defers some other things) and then one command that reads it does resolving; in that case you can have ~x inside and it become a new ~x token every time it is expanded by the command to do so; same with anything else in the block, it is completely opaque until it is expanded. < 1419638944 604470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm if (~~x ...) first reads the ... part, and then turns into a macro that wraps the result expression into using the different symbol table... < 1419638956 431878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like the kind of thing call/cc might mess up :P < 1419639040 599139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because the symbol table would probably not be lexically scoped itself) < 1419639045 386851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually I would intended that while first reading the ... part it is treated as if it says ~x instead, before turns into a macro that wraps the result expression into using the different symbol table (which also does it using another new "x") < 1419639092 765377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um two different new "x"es? < 1419639155 404888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes the first one is at reading time, the expansion then replaces the first new x with the second one; it makes a new second one for each instance of the macro, although the first one is the same every time. < 1419639244 554567 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is a bit confusing what I meant; it also isn't entirely clear how useful it is compared to other ways < 1419639337 912156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1419639389 9385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't quite see the use either, except that this might be useful to _implement_ hygiene of macros. < 1419639417 677094 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is what I thought of too < 1419639825 177914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki down :( < 1419639878 652705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Jafet How devious; implementing eode efficiently requires nondeterminism <-- do you mean eodermdrome? < 1419639878 695962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1419640218 777406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that GG wallpaper may be the silliest tyrannosaurid i've seen. also i see the foglios are up to date with the latest dinosaur feather theories. < 1419640482 375378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e i wonder if agatha is crazy enough to try and get the beast to take them to paris < 1419640482 418619 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1419641929 656981 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1419642131 52256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evenily < 1419642166 129476 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsœrjan! < 1419642168 35822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(can you tell i'm running out of portmanteaus) < 1419642188 323702 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not a problem. the inspiration will strike one day.) < 1419642285 646352 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1419642417 641758 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1419642426 478484 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how are the holidays on your end? < 1419642430 544662 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB < 1419642430 882890 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 270000Z 25011G16KT 15SM OVC035 02/M01 A2999 RMK SC8 SLP159 < 1419642470 224803 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1419642483 586128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you tvtropes, putting subpages on a menu so it's impossible to open them in a new tab... < 1419642501 295344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: quiet < 1419642562 229290 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1419642616 966094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically all the subpages also had buttons _except_ the one i wanted to visit. < 1419642673 471519 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wait; tvtropes has a kickstarterredesign... < 1419642711 520263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is a new "feature" < 1419642951 148727 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stpydefgqxtjbunt JOIN :#esoteric < 1419643087 959156 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1419643402 17209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tvtropes/the-tv-tropes-revitalization-project the fucking image... < 1419643632 386502 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stpydefgqxtjbunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1419643718 118597 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty amazing < 1419643734 261579 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stpydefgqxtjbunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1419644305 71467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't go on TV Tropes in my opinion All The Tropes is better anyways so I use that one. < 1419644475 417811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1419644485 217675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh not even here < 1419644501 413074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty darn dead < 1419644837 242825 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stpydefgqxtjbunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeeep < 1419645053 878114 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the tropes is on wikia < 1419645055 33670 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :blech < 1419645150 452690 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the hate against wikia? < 1419645174 748040 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stpydefgqxtjbunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1419645179 859996 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stpydefgqxtjbunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :;0; < 1419645199 579504 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye? ;0;? < 1419645209 615330 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused
< 1419645223 198061 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stpydefgqxtjbunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :is also confused? < 1419645265 621222 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stpydefgqxtjbunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) ye to yes as why the hate against wikia (2) ;0; is an emoji < 1419645270 431183 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikia is not very friendly < 1419645276 295293 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stpydefgqxtjbunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in? < 1419645292 458753 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, let me try to remember the issues nethack had < 1419645313 923003 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they changed the theme in such a way that the NH folks a) didn't like it and b) couldn't change back < 1419645332 451313 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: what is it an emoji of? < 1419645341 451135 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stpydefgqxtjbunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :a gasping cry < 1419645342 932395 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais can explain it all better < 1419645355 598930 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: ah! < 1419645364 924437 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stpydefgqxtjbunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1419645401 595289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know like six wikias that moved off wikia because wikia is horrible < 1419645410 137967 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stpydefgqxtjbunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does j-bot do? < 1419645413 322026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then wikia kept their old site up and scrubbed it of all references to the new one < 1419645427 218398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those sites still live in as dormant, badly out of date zombies that still snatch up google rankings < 1419645435 75225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those sites as in the wikia ones < 1419645492 544127 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stpydefgqxtjbunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still have fond memories of when i first joined the internet < 1419645517 217508 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, wikia does not appreciate you trying to move off their servers < 1419645544 216381 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1419645549 803283 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the only way to kill a wikia wiki is to slowly vandalize it, in such a way that the admins don't notice and can't figure out when to restore it to when they do < 1419645605 792063 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stpydefgqxtjbunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you vandalize it? < 1419645674 586947 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :make changes that only someone in the field would realize are wrong < 1419645682 963865 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, in wikihack, you could change a bunch of stats of monsters to make them wrong < 1419645683 821143 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stpydefgqxtjbunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1419645724 911346 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do it carefully enough, the wikia admins won't know when to revert it to < 1419645751 172957 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just try to delete things, even as the wiki's admin, wikia will step in and revert < 1419645756 223704 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all they care about are visits < 1419645780 887436 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because money < 1419645914 174547 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All The Tropes is on Orain, not on Wikia < 1419645924 367779 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's any way to poison the pages' pagerank < 1419645925 820896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although there is a Wikia version too; I use the Orain version) < 1419646131 218759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other Sites We Recommend < 1419646131 311063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anime Boobs Wiki - A wiki where the various women of anime/manga are classified by their bust sizes and their measurements are listed for fans of those characters. They use content from our forks that was removed by TV Tropes thanks to their advertisers. < 1419646147 668173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses a compatible license so it is possible to move from the Wikia version to the Orain version and vice-versa. < 1419646205 204113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who use both versions can therefore synchronize them; I use Orain version but agree to put my contributions as public domain therefore they can be used on anyone. < 1419646634 746545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read a claim that wikia's license is copyright infringement because they unilaterally changed it at one point < 1419646654 659360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1419646658 167882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1419646664 449753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tvtropes's license < 1419646709 713259 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, which is one reason why they made All The Tropes < 1419646779 443274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also recall that of the two forks, only one of them did _not_ have a copyright problem < 1419646780 311849 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: actually you can't port content onto tvtropes unless it's original < 1419646804 394307 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, if everything they say is to be believed < 1419646814 866815 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they ostensibly require you to assign copyright of your contributions to them < 1419646817 698007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: zzo38 wasn't speaking about tvtropes i think < 1419646821 628946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only stuff from before the license of TV Tropes has been changed is copied into All The Tropes. < 1419646833 470770 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1419646908 763257 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: has this happened? Successfully killing a wikia, I mean? < 1419646963 502884 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ais seems to think ithas < 1419647008 324767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have noticed such vandalism on wikipedia before, so it may happen just due to attrition once a wiki gets abandoned... < 1419647045 515323 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, it happens on wikipedia too < 1419647057 507520 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember one time when some famous guy died < 1419647078 184701 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone clever got news before most of the press and edited a bunch of fake stuff into his page on wikipedia < 1419647082 695301 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then all the news sources cited it < 1419647097 285739 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then when it was called as citation needed, he used the eulogies as proof < 1419647128 29910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't referring to general vandalism, but to specifically changing little numbers that are awkward to check < 1419647137 395615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least work < 1419647189 376730 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a user space in All The Tropes (the Orain version) too. < 1419647193 595525 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, is Peter the Great's birthday on Wikipedia correct or incorrect < 1419647203 185050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1419647203 811819 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember a decade ago seeing someone change the date by one < 1419647224 553175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they forget what timezone it is in? < 1419647241 819176 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it was someone else, I thought they changed it from 3 to 4 or 4 to 3 < 1419647291 464191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once helped change a wrong date on a frenchman's biography, turns out they'd got month/date order wrong, and then it had partly copied _to_ the french wikipedia version < 1419647304 23533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*been partly < 1419647308 490719 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1419647332 741332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :took a couple iterations by me and others to finally get both wikis right < 1419647393 188506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that wasn't vandalism < 1419647423 991353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: they didn't have timezones in peter the great's days < 1419647483 850817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this just makes it more important to have citations < 1419647487 533495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That is why someone got confused. < 1419647503 455243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats zzo38 -----###
< 1419647607 362510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the article's dates contain neither 3 nor 4... < 1419647638 206977 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed. It might have been someone else. Or maybe there were two vandalisms. Or maybe the current version is wrong. < 1419647657 440273 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is helpful!
< 1419647780 426636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nothing recent < 1419647801 180902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it's semi-protected < 1419648195 798415 :scounder!~scounder@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1419648985 733964 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1419649664 779920 :scounder!~scounder@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1419653596 851720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 61 < 1419653977 117402 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1419655032 807049 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: MOISTURIZED CHICKEN < 1419655809 815698 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stpydefgqxtjbunt QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1419656571 902261 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1419661449 283909 :oren!~oren@nrba4-34.onlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1419661972 451453 :oren!~oren@nrba4-34.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki is dead... < 1419662067 721832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ping < 1419662238 225590 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1419662295 948865 :oren!~oren@nrba4-34.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo. < 1419662338 701704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi. < 1419662494 386796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :qa. < 1419662571 181201 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ay < 1419662619 947706 :oren!~oren@nrba4-34.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to me that gzip is misused a lot. tgz files are typically compressed once and then downloaded and uncompressed N times. but gzip is a stream compression! for this use, shouldn't we have a compressor that takes more time during compression to compress it even smaller, and perhaps to optimize the decompression? < 1419662709 829652 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people use gz because it's ubiquitous, not because it's well-suited < 1419662823 187945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1419662864 364093 :oren!~oren@nrba4-34.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, why aren't there more non-stream compressors that go over the data N times? < 1419662869 921540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: xz is popular < 1419662958 470921 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Go over the data N times?" Compressed data tends to not compress well < 1419663015 474361 :oren!~oren@nrba4-34.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glguy: but why not use a more expensive data analysis step < 1419663034 986023 :oren!~oren@nrba4-34.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to optimize the compression code? < 1419663088 112877 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xz typically compresses more than gz and also requires more processing time and memory < 1419663246 710906 :oren!~oren@nrba4-34.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when compressing an archive, you have random access to the whole file. this is qualitatively different situation from compressing a data stream... < 1419663367 321180 :oren!~oren@nrba4-34.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesanywell-known algorithm take advantage of this capability? < 1419664734 404733 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzip2 < 1419665282 792107 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan Yes. (Interestingly, "eode" is K_3 but there is no prefix that is a K_4.) < 1419665282 874678 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1419665311 69892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1419665413 88312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i think that's because K_{odd_n} is eulerian but K_{even_n} isn't < 1419665419 213857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1419665429 580501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's backwards < 1419665614 261203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1419665618 989942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right < 1419665653 921743 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1419665697 426726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since eodermdrome itself is a eulerian circuit, no subpath can repeat edges, thus no subpath can be K_4 < 1419665875 319182 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1419665895 276889 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: video compressors have B frames, which are predicted from a past and a future frame < 1419666152 495882 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to compress an entire string in one go is pointless because it will probably be NP-hard < 1419666361 98062 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode JOIN :#esoteric < 1419667316 404086 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ngiqoriybgttqvmk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1419668465 532650 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1419669330 133601 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1419669757 90123 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1419669943 133352 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1419670084 891787 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode JOIN :#esoteric < 1419670199 137213 :scoofy!~spirit@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1419670531 266634 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1419670781 613670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ping pong, the sport of kings. < 1419670792 138247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: curl esolangs.org < 1419670807 873739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping esolangs.org, for that matter < 1419670810 980613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Let's re-ping Gregor, since the server doesn't answer to ssh either. < 1419670841 736818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I don't have any accounts to the cloud-at-no-cost-but-no-service-either's web thingies, or whatever they have.) < 1419670870 790680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost like one-off pricing isn't a viable business model for an ongoing service < 1419670879 302051 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't say. < 1419670883 98629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CloudAtCost delivers quality, security, value and unlimited scalability to customers using a state of the art hosting facility. < 1419671106 762620 :oren!~oren@nrba4-34.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time i saw a state of the art hosting facility it was a 2003 PC under a desk, with a "broken" sticker on it < 1419671216 520915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd `addquote that if HackEgo were working < 1419671247 665018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi there < 1419671264 523450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose being present is also a prerequisite < 1419671270 868509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we were just talking about esolangs.org being down... < 1419671286 7375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your point being? < 1419671289 731642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hoping for a Christmas miracle? < 1419671314 557627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hackego is hosted there < 1419671327 933019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you seem to be assuming i am confused about something < 1419671359 397328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. okay. < 1419671360 55273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. < 1419671370 711913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i distinctly recall me causing you to ping fizzie in the first place < 1419671436 697140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorryyyy < 1419671468 85547 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused about something < 1419671486 114395 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing particularly relevant, though < 1419671489 356723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that the mcculloch 2 string 525224 can be interpreted as slowly calculating the sequence 2^n-1 in a very verbose representation < 1419671510 149414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1419671594 98784 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what a mccullock 2 string is < 1419671606 484619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/McCulloch%27s_second_machine < 1419671637 402801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm somewhat trying to solve the mortality decision problem mentioned there < 1419671642 610840 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling gave me garden equiptment < 1419671668 345717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i invented a more compact notation for the strings that have particularly complex behavior < 1419671699 938579 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed HackEgo was not working as it did not respond to my `danddreclist command. < 1419671702 944885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one becomes 5 [0] 5 [1,0] which may not look very compact but it gets better as it grows < 1419671729 290190 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1419671834 457347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it becomes 5 [1,0,2^n-1,0] 5 [1] < 1419671970 596794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the 5's are actual 5's from the string, the rest is a summary of the distribution of 2's and 4's) < 1419672002 302396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 4's only counting up to parity < 1419672119 776720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh this one was also nice < 1419672140 463589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 [0] 5 [0,0,0] < 1419672166 130280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm right < 1419672269 980756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it settles into 5 [x] 54 [y] which has fibonacci-like development < 1419672288 987301 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to reimplement n+k patterns with pattern synonyms? < 1419672292 284286 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1419672327 565637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: can't you do everything by using view patterns in combination with them? < 1419672345 506677 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1419672512 664711 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 0 = 0; f 1 = 1; f (pred -> n@(pred -> m)) = f n + f m in f <$> [0..] < 1419672516 263757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1419672527 148274 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 0 = 0; f 1 = 1; f (pred -> n@(pred -> m)) = f n + f m in f <$> [0..9] < 1419672528 478914 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34] < 1419672556 650376 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f ((-2) -> n) = n in f 2 < 1419672558 46263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (t0 -> t1)) < 1419672558 89493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity check for ‘e_122’ < 1419672558 89611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (GHC.Num.Num (t -> t1), GHC.Num.Num t) < 1419672583 424345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: subtract < 1419672615 788521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however n+k patterns also have a comparison test < 1419672633 202957 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f ((-(2)) -> 0) = 0 in f 2 < 1419672634 433922 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (t -> a0)) < 1419672634 477178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity check for ‘f’ < 1419672634 538838 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (GHC.Num.Num (t -> a), < 1419672636 343357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(n+1 = 0 doesn't match) < 1419672650 349750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i said use subtract < 1419672688 112501 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f ((+-2) -> 0) = 0 in f 2 < 1419672689 368382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘+-’ < 1419672689 497136 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1419672689 540552 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘-’ (imported from Prelude), ‘++’ (imported from Data.List), < 1419672695 152825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no way to use - as a section < 1419672698 889303 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f ((+(-2)) -> 0) = 0 in f 2 < 1419672700 313595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1419672785 110650 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like using function names that are longer than their definitions < 1419674173 224675 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1419674604 886301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1419675428 87358 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1419677993 521078 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1419678004 693021 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1419678079 940986 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-9-246.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1419678592 422886 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1419681451 56212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1419681486 575311 :scoofy!~spirit@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1419682335 872350 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1419683659 831362 :shikhin!~shikhin@120.59.111.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1419683668 162521 :shikhin!~shikhin@120.59.111.242 QUIT :Changing host < 1419683668 205705 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1419684869 672552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's a field of mathematics called 'non-galoisian galois theory' < 1419685720 215138 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@87.228.105.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1419685720 258347 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@87.228.105.48 QUIT :Changing host < 1419685720 258462 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1419686605 519139 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-linear linear transforms. < 1419686814 645942 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1419686841 115600 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :math - not even S(0) < 1419687430 313259 :oren!~oren@nrba4-34.onlink.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1419687665 663121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1419687872 51802 :oren!~oren@nrba4-34.onlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1419691326 926459 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ytgyvvwidxwqwenk JOIN :#esoteric < 1419692431 43210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1419692442 216355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1419692532 70746 :S1!~S1@p4FF93089.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1419692532 465973 :S1!~S1@p4FF93089.dip0.t-ipconnect.de NICK :puritania < 1419693329 699541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1419694158 90499 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1419694315 703371 :puritania!~S1@p4FF93089.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: puritania < 1419694318 646468 :oren!~oren@nrba4-34.onlink.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1419696288 717828 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1419697311 996374 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1419697314 626839 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowowowowow < 1419697337 670866 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LOWI < 1419697337 996759 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 271550Z 27007KT 9999 FEW050 SCT070 BKN100 M02/M03 Q1000 R08/1///95 NOSIG < 1419697347 212794 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1419697353 366433 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for whatever reason I couldn't connect to irc.freenode.net, I had to grab a specific domain from freenode's server list. < 1419697359 185471 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone else have that issue? < 1419697508 781770 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what am I looking at right now < 1419697580 299351 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite sure if this is the esoteric that this channel is about, but I'm currently writing a GUI application with win32 API. < 1419697584 904111 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that falls under esoteric, no? < 1419697587 686108 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: an avian weather report for Innsbruck's airport (ICAO code LOWI). < 1419697613 279571 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :google "METAR" and you shall be enlightened. < 1419697634 117106 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :avian? so like, birds strapped with atmospheric measuring equipment? < 1419697667 164173 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds promising < 1419697698 696960 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always thought we should employ birds as weathermen < 1419697704 758098 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, appealing but that's not really how it works. Airports have weather stations *for* aircrafts. < 1419697789 132981 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :on an unrelated note, I think this is the last time I'll think to myself "hey, I should make a graphical C application for Windows in my freetime, being completely unpaid to do so!" < 1419697900 779674 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strictly speaking I think the win32 API does not qualify as esoteric. But don't let that stop you, we're often stretching the boundaries of this channel's topic anyway. < 1419698112 274078 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I'm not worried about getting to Paris yet. The more immediate problem is whether the engine will consume Agatha's locket. < 1419698112 317446 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1419698219 928569 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy JOIN :#esoteric < 1419698259 668703 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there doesn't seem to be very much support for passing user-defined data to window procedures... < 1419698266 136671 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to avoid global variables when possible. < 1419698343 331596 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :please, this is the 90s: nobody needs threads and global variables are your friends. < 1419698373 284011 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because you always know where they are without sacrificing one of those precious registers) < 1419698490 708961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EFHK < 1419698491 300472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 271620Z 34007KT 9999 BKN016 M08/M10 Q1011 TEMPO BKN013 < 1419698509 389819 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :brr. < 1419698534 525143 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was supposed to get actually cold on Sunday/Monday (M20 to M30) but I think they sort of reneged on that. < 1419698570 904671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.foreca.fi/Finland/Espoo/15vrk suggests the daily low will just barely touch M20. < 1419698656 494669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Then it'll jump back up to "above zero during the day, below zero during the night", which -- combined with the amount of snow that's currently out there -- translates to mornings of "all surfaces are ice".) < 1419698790 382097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1419698790 569927 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 271620Z 32004KT 290V360 9999 FEW026 04/00 Q1008 NOSIG < 1419698799 367006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks quite different. < 1419698807 205592 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, TEMPO. The clouds are getting closer to the ground? < 1419698850 799797 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(BKN016 --> BKN013 later?) < 1419698873 971247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought what's after TEMPO is what's currently happening, but only for a limited time. < 1419698877 29986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know. < 1419698988 763986 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/407020-tempo-metar.html -- I'll go with the forecast idea < 1419699184 356605 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not a trend, it's an expected fluctuation. Subtle. < 1419699586 420982 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu NICK :b_jonas < 1419700824 921817 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1419700824 965100 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1419701509 345846 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1419701788 435672 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murp murp < 1419701795 706102 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll check on the esolangs server < 1419701999 29396 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1419702006 705388 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno what was up with it, but a hard reboot solved the problem X-D < 1419702236 337921 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gnvucmvnxgbrsmyc NICK :supay_afk < 1419702299 315447 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-9-246.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1419702323 890593 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1419702392 334377 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone familiar with winAPI? I'm considering passing a void-pointer to the optional CREATESTRUCT parameter of CreateWindowEx so I can avoid global variable usage < 1419702406 128616 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea if this will break everything? < 1419702463 699146 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1419702481 325481 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel as though the unused wParam of WM_CREATE should specify user-defined data, and CreateWindowEx should have an optional argument to pass that information in, but that does not appear to be the case. < 1419702513 925279 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-9-246.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1419702750 47354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Isn't that pretty much exactly the function of the last parameter of CreateWindowEx (except special cases where it serves specific uses, like dialogs or MDI windows)? As far as I can tell from MSDN, it's an arbitrary LPVOID that you provide, and then the lpCreateParams member in the CREATESTRUCT that is passed as the lParam of the WM_CREATE message will be set to whatever you provided. < 1419703617 381552 :scoofy!~spirit@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1419703938 715534 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah I looked at the documentation closer and you're exactly right. < 1419703992 978611 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :other fun things: I added a #define _CRT_SECURE_NO_WARNINGS and it still gives me an error about it < 1419706081 568606 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1419706193 157569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1419706367 733573 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekAfk < 1419707246 583171 :scoofy!~spirit@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1419707506 780409 :GeekAfk!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1419710798 16609 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1419711030 785194 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1419711226 186239 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1419712180 688335 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1419715033 281445 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1419715126 943063 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric < 1419715647 313263 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1419715654 646012 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happen? < 1419715733 980619 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody set up us the bomb. < 1419715827 483516 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :would /// still be turing complete if there was a limit on how long the /x/y/ are allowed to be? < 1419715865 951472 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I think so, ye < 1419715888 719686 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I think it's turing complete even if you allow only at most two characters in both the substitution and replacement < 1419715889 291443 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i mean a relatively large limit, like 255) < 1419715903 163266 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe not < 1419715910 795386 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me think < 1419715965 622178 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need some way to create a long table at initialization < 1419716018 368094 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm dunno < 1419716020 590574 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1419716026 444410 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :/// is strange < 1419716071 588745 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was considering what would happen if instead of delimiters, /// had hollerith strings or pascal strings < 1419716113 923734 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: would that make it similar to Fuun DNA? < 1419716134 846941 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that has some data marked with a prefixed length, but I'm not quite sure < 1419716250 504630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the speakers in my computer making so much noise? < 1419716266 679385 :scoofy!~spirit@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliens < 1419716293 312472 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: meh, my speakers outside the computer make too much noise when I turn them on, because the amplifier is a cheap bad quality one < 1419716326 764479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't always make noise, but sometimes (somewhat often) makes all sorts of clicking, scratching, and white noises. < 1419716360 55998 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe interference then? < 1419716400 816961 :scoofy!~spirit@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghosts < 1419716401 755292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interference from what? The LCD monitor? Printer? Surge protector? Keyboard? Those are the things which happen to be next to the speaker. < 1419716409 122576 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :check your sound card drivers < 1419716454 279170 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: dunno, maybe mobile phone, or cables next to the cable to the speaker < 1419716478 110946 :scoofy!~spirit@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or problem in the sound card < 1419716506 169962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nearest mobile phone is in another room which is not adjacent to this one. < 1419716626 95808 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :look under the desk at the cables, which if you are like me, entwine into a nigh-sentient crawling horror. Make sure that the speaker cables, including its power cable, are not curled around other cables. < 1419716707 421054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are near other cables but I cannot tell what's around others and not. However, it doesn't make this noise all the time; it does so less than half of the time. < 1419716763 518589 :arjanb!8259ab67@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can hear from the speaker noise whether a lcd screen is turned on
< 1419716792 396106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turning off the LCD doesn't help. < 1419716830 790326 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well next step, check your sound card drivers < 1419716830 899462 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe try to ask someone who's good at hardware, that is, someone who just has to look at hardware to fix it < 1419716912 280858 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1419717550 825383 :arjanb!8259ab67@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a good approach for parsing in 2D? I want to try a few things with ascii art block diagram like constructs, but the only solutions i can think of are ugly hacks < 1419717584 31809 :scoofy!~spirit@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like? < 1419717754 427756 :arjanb!8259ab67@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsing it in line by line first, annotated by column indices and then somehow merging lines into multiple blocks and wires < 1419717884 696944 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :find upper corners < 1419718285 606059 :arjanb!8259ab67@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could try that, maybe even use special tokes for corners... < 1419719071 920185 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Quit: mitchs_ < 1419719354 409186 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting fact: searching for a string a0,a1...an can be sped up by keeping a cache of where the string matches a prefix of itself. < 1419719378 393802 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :did some math dude already discover that? < 1419719609 966173 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn it it's the "Knuth Morris Pratt Algorithm" < 1419719636 968114 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1419719703 987377 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1419721584 165887 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1419721991 40531 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1419722121 831669 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1419723436 255751 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1419723507 336183 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1419723569 40275 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1419723614 720206 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1419724517 279998 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1419724598 901643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: ltns < 1419724618 213646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1419724618 916791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:56:38 You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1419724622 258475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:56:42 @messages < 1419724624 775734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:56:42 hagb4rd said 14h 41m 53s ago: also, he really hates me, and insults me to oerjan or something whenever I ban him again <- fyi: i have never talked to oerjan about you nor have i ever asked him to remove my ban. greetz hag. < 1419724628 820208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :priceless < 1419724657 359755 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1419724707 223652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just some banned dude trying to convince me another op was lying to me after reading the logs < 1419724721 683774 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1419724771 512061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, everyone can read the log so you can confirm whether or not the another op really is lying, or if is just a misunderstanding somewhere, if you are reading it carefully. < 1419724785 481101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lie in question would have been in /msg to me