< 1420329603 748453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooo, fizzie should explain it < 1420329611 580362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I should be asleep. < 1420329619 577851 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cht=tx tells it it's a TeX formula < 1420329635 903321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it when you come in to take the effort away from me < 1420329657 205368 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's deprecated though < 1420329667 594758 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to reboot somestuff < 1420329718 952204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I was going to say is that this definitely-non-GPT laptop has root=UUID=... on it. < 1420329736 583357 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurgh < 1420329736 803816 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok, but then what's the full syntax? how do I specify the partition number on that disk, and where's good documentation here? < 1420329773 858818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it specifies a partition. < 1420329789 590982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a partition-specific UUID, you can't specify a partition on it. < 1420329789 657441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use blkid or something to get the identifier < 1420329789 657548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can print them all out for you < 1420329789 657624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use these in /etc/fstab too btw < 1420329789 657706 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it a laptop with only one hard disk? < 1420329789 657780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is good if, uh, you have no /dev, I guess? < 1420329789 657858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait < 1420329789 657936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: e.g. I'm pretty sure ubuntu and so on have installed with UUIDs only for years < 1420329789 658009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly it's been the recommended arch practice for everyone for a long time < 1420329789 658086 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can use these partition-specific UUIDs, which are a filesystem feature < 1420329789 881730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1420329789 881896 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's great! < 1420329789 881972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd be very surprised if it didn't work for you < 1420329789 882082 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might try this < 1420329789 882154 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1420329789 889504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a Debian installation, and it configured grub with UUID=... by default. < 1420329789 889621 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of prefer the hard disk hardware ids, because the partition uids could get duplicated if I copy a whole filesystem bytewise, but that's a rare occasion < 1420329789 889695 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess I could use this filesystem id thing for boot < 1420329793 92587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, the format does seem filesystem-specific, because all these ext-whatevers have the GUID-style thing, while the NTFS partitions are just 16 hex digits. < 1420329795 659456 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you should get in the habit of changing the UUID if you do that < 1420329800 566646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you maybe can do ID=... or something < 1420329801 668362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1420329814 101530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: btw, that's why byte-copying GPT tables is generally considered a sin < 1420329823 221661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you have to generate a new GUID if you clone a partition) < 1420329828 40505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1420329828 634870 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: change them with tune2fs? could work, yes < 1420329830 136147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what you're doing < 1420329834 760844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for backups it's whatever < 1420329839 122370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you intend to use both simultaneously < 1420329851 565878 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok so like there's 16 million colour hex codes and I wanna list them all but idk how to do that in an.efficient and fast way < 1420329865 367061 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or reiserfstune -u depending on the fs type I guess) < 1420329870 968364 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or atleast almost a lot < 1420329880 809248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still use reiserfs? o_o < 1420329904 263174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, for backup partitions that I may want to access even if my main system crashes and I want to access them with an old system that doesn't have ext4 support < 1420329916 268180 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm paranoid) < 1420329926 218576 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually prefer ext4 now < 1420329937 467315 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but won't recreate some existing reiserfs < 1420329951 132220 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, my remaining question is, where's this kernel parameter root=UUID thing documented? < 1420329959 408879 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work even without initrd? < 1420329964 974889 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I think it's an initrd thing < 1420329966 806496 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let me check < 1420329986 545969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so does this mean that if you have some random data that just happens to look like a valid somefs filesystem with a certain UUID...? < 1420329995 416777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it works by probing, not by hashing up some hardware identifiers of the partition? < 1420330016 802508 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, I guess that's the other problem < 1420330027 576350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it works, it's just ugly :p < 1420330031 763307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like PARTUUID better then < 1420330040 941912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I just use PARTLABEL since UUIDs are a pain and I know what my partition labels are < 1420330046 878242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: By the way, "lsblk -o +UUID,PARTUUID" suggests you can perhaps use PARTUUID without GPT too, because all these partitions have PARTUUIDs of 0008fac6-01 .. 0008fac6-07 where the first digits are probably the disk ID. < 1420330047 560213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can use LABEL on non-GPT) < 1420330052 504384 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh am I the only one who lost data thanks to reiserfs' attitude of keeping metadata consistent but not caring about the relation between file size and file contents? < 1420330062 774380 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1420330064 993796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where the 01 .. 07 is the partition number.) < 1420330068 774212 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :you arenr < 1420330072 429422 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: some live cd systems that supposedly don't use your hard disk default to using any swap partitions they find on your hard disk as swap by default, good luck if you wanted to recover data from a failing hard disk with such a live boot system < 1420330074 536798 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this must have been around the year 2000, I have not used reiserfs since) < 1420330097 801799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So many redundant tools -- I picked "lsblk -o +UUID,PARTUUID" out of 'man mount'.) < 1420330098 826823 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only used it recently < 1420330133 182899 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, < 1420330135 358838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: blkid is part of the same package as lsblk, I think. < 1420330140 846062 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems root=UUID= is an initrd feature < 1420330148 924735 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel itself only has root=PARTUUID= < 1420330149 895911 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you keep a constant file of metadata mine keeps deleting itself and I'm slowly dieing < 1420330162 166885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered just using an initramfs :p < 1420330171 640470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dpkg reports they're both in util-linux here, FWIW. < 1420330178 638012 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, I have mentioned that among other stuff < 1420330198 330613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: So did that non-GPT PARTUUID suit your needs? < 1420330199 165406 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I just don't see why I need these sort of workarounds when linux does now my hard disk identifier anyway < 1420330199 967971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right I mean, they both use libblkid or whatever < 1420330209 518653 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dunno, how does that work? < 1420330233 805312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Try "lsblk -o +UUID,PARTUUID" and see if your partitions have "xxxxxxxx-NN" PARTUUID values. < 1420330243 426083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Then try them out as root=PARTUUID=..., I guess. < 1420330263 378215 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :just Delete linux and install the original windows < 1420330264 909483 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have an lsblk < 1420330270 129683 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I have to install that? < 1420330272 306042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, hmm. < 1420330274 379694 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a horrid suggestion < 1420330281 272312 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry < 1420330298 256873 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever I choose, I definitely won't do it right now. I'll sleep on it and thing what's the best thing to do. < 1420330314 890766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It's in 'util-linux' on Debian. But I don't know anything about this. < 1420330330 392654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: At any rate, it's just a disk ID + partition number, so if you wanted something robust to repartitioning, this ain't it. < 1420330339 402192 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently it's in later versions of lsblk < 1420330343 547796 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :later than what I have installed < 1420330361 410362 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I'll try to figure that out, thanks < 1420330364 103286 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might helop < 1420330417 429198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, fdisk reports "Disk identifier: 0x0008fac6" and the PARTUUIDs I get from lsblk are 0008fac6-01 and so on, so you could probably puzzle it out that way too. < 1420330427 885761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the sleep. -> < 1420330434 771686 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks for the hints < 1420330588 895988 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :creating an efi partition table and installing grub2 might make sense, so that's an option I have to consider too < 1420330708 38914 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know the name of the symmetry group of Life-like CAs? < 1420330714 96442 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thank you < 1420330727 227463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem. that'll be $5k < 1420330779 770751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: dihedral group, D_4? < 1420330794 116187 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what symmetry group? < 1420330799 163056 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the wallpaper groups? < 1420330855 685472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :should it include translations as well? < 1420331023 441799 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the symmetry of the rule set? < 1420331037 281845 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it only depends on the number it's the full permutation group I think < 1420331064 309266 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1420331133 52230 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems right vanila. thanks. < 1420331352 108944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: But is it a gauge symmetry? < 1420331435 840760 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIAAAAAAAAAAA! < 1420331538 229123 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: quitan < 1420331978 112229 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1420332664 802522 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1420332670 588485 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats happening < 1420332674 849006 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is he a bot? < 1420332707 469296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude: pls stop < 1420332707 813695 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :keeping an entire copy of your server on 300 floppy disks < 1420332716 486077 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not a bot < 1420332721 231204 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just like slapping people < 1420332728 982131 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop :l < 1420332735 763731 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya dip < 1420332735 905543 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who keeps a backup on floppies? < 1420332755 121102 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :was a joke < 1420332768 140769 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :A very floppy joke < 1420332768 414867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude: it's not really appropriate so please don't < 1420332772 199759 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since servers nowadays would take up a lot of floppies < 1420332803 459715 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it'd depend on whether or not you're copying the entire server, or just the relevant configuration files and web root < 1420332809 670191 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok so like I'm trying to fill up a petabyte < 1420332819 374040 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :And its taking very long < 1420332830 733201 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of the server < 1420332841 521729 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :God dammit words < 1420332949 113204 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1420332973 473718 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having trouble with outputting spaces in haskell. < 1420332992 480508 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :itsjusthavingallthewordsconnectedlikethis < 1420333038 830866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh... can I see your code? < 1420333093 56102 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I get on the computer elliott < 1420333107 440791 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at my friends house atm < 1420333339 303038 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. I'm stupid I accidently deleted the zerospace file ;-; now I have to redo it < 1420333352 9310 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for the bother. ugh I is stupid < 1420333720 722489 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a saying < 1420333726 538521 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Everybody is stupid" < 1420333736 278086 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far it's turned out pretty correct < 1420334712 129820 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried entering a complicated regular expression into Gatherer and it would not accept it. < 1420334756 813575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How complicated? < 1420334871 905211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typed m/^[^()]*(\([^()]*\))*[^()]*counters?\son[^()]*(\([^()]*\))*[^()]*$/ although maybe it contains a mistake I don't know < 1420334921 369190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you looking for? < 1420334940 736135 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cards with "counter(s) on" outside of reminder text. < 1420335068 859991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Gatherer even search inside the reminder text? < 1420335141 408728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does, and doesn't seem to have an option to omit it. < 1420335264 596077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what people usually do for complicated queries is download the database and search it themselves. < 1420335272 9956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's easily available for download, though. < 1420335404 7018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did also want a SQLite database of Magic: the Gathering cards in fact. < 1420335442 506986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe people can work together making one up. < 1420335483 851343 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several people have databases, e.g. magiccards.info and the bot Datatog on EFNet. < 1420335628 331421 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seems you can download those? < 1420335659 950284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but maybe you can talk to those people. < 1420335665 133683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also other databases of cards. < 1420335762 382921 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they aren't in SQLite format then maybe they can be converted into SQLite format. < 1420335837 566078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I have seen Gatherer is still the best one so far, though. < 1420336098 21376 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's good about SQLite? < 1420336104 19801 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it in websites < 1420336365 364629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use SQLite in websites, but it can also be used standalone, which is how I normally use it. < 1420336438 134069 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420336472 673198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite is a relatively simple SQL implementation, it stores the database in a single file, is public domain, is fast for small databases (it is fast for large databases too, but not as fast as larger implementations), and it supports virtual tables and INSTEAD OF triggers and a few other things. < 1420336502 694286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://yawgatog.com/resources/oracle/ < 1420336510 18499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also easy to write extensions. < 1420336572 151861 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1420336722 177959 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :a virtual table sounds weird, isn't SELECT statement enough? < 1420336723 469851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Thank you that might help for converting into SQLite format. < 1420336739 765583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also search it directly. It is a text file. < 1420336771 933042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although I believe it would also be useful in SQLite format. < 1420336797 414717 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: ??? < 1420336819 73162 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can nest SQL select < 1420336827 193799 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I imagine that is powerful enough to replace virtual table? < 1420336881 398698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you even know what a virtual table does? < 1420336963 29626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, SQLite also supports recursive WITH clauses and partial indices. Also, I find INSTEAD OF triggers are usually more useful than BEFORE and AFTER triggers. < 1420336974 132954 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-jhpjbpyiqstbunlm JOIN :#esoteric < 1420336974 293062 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-jhpjbpyiqstbunlm QUIT :Changing host < 1420336974 336268 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1420337002 827755 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1420337807 838333 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up some new rules and cards for Magic: the Gathering. Do you like this? http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/newmtg.txt < 1420337844 316895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why reinstate mana burn? < 1420337853 505547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never played with mana burn and it seems like it would be annoying. < 1420337869 105450 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1420337991 752298 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For strategic purposes mainly. < 1420338006 994616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But look at the card texts too. < 1420338098 94849 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1420338291 277625 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1420338311 684712 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't I centre anything? < 1420338418 225060 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized something < 1420338428 521930 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 appears last in a lot of lists that it appears in < 1420338463 302091 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yars. < 1420338471 915 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what? it begins with zz < 1420338475 516089 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes thats why < 1420338491 951637 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want first you do AA < 1420338508 46350 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure if that will wo rk well < 1420338511 619828 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :since aardvarks exist < 1420338515 165050 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and aaron < 1420338519 742537 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might need to go triple a < 1420338524 515018 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 00 < 1420338529 554390 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah true < 1420338627 237131 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what black sorcery does it take to vertically centre text in a div? < 1420338832 646666 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could say jQuery, but I won't mention it. < 1420339105 85665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first name does start with AA, and my father changed his last name to Black so that his name would be close to the beginning of alphabetical lists. < 1420339147 979531 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: jquery doesn't seem to have it < 1420339474 561601 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it see. the font i'm using is uncentred. oh joy < 1420339537 320601 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vagaries of web development... < 1420339581 102547 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had the bright idea of making an RPG in javacript. I regret everything < 1420339944 231019 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1420340106 70850 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1420340780 232107 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🔣 < 1420340782 216226 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F523 INPUT SYMBOL FOR SYMBOLS \ UTF-8: f0 9f 94 a3 UTF-16BE: d83ddd23 Decimal: 🔣 \ 🔣 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1420340804 124684 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicodeception < 1420341011 73231 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1420341841 707685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Isn't a token always a permanent right now? < 1420342237 116047 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1420342267 477825 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1420342454 82555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1420342467 500549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Maybe you should make the RPG in SQL instead? < 1420342717 638408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Using {T} as the cost for loyalty abilities sounds worrying. < 1420342736 31038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Untapping permanents isn't very difficult. They surely did it this way on purpose. < 1420342749 903699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though e.g. http://magiccards.info/query?q=!the+chain+veil exists. < 1420342838 112507 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a UNIX command to "pop" a line out of a file < 1420342856 674321 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a file as a stack < 1420342859 463163 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :or queue < 1420343023 228746 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK I fixed that. < 1420343048 688734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I don't know of any, at least. < 1420343061 54681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What's the point of {T} loyalty abilities? < 1420343064 921785 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im goingo to write it myself, called 'pop' < 1420343070 67240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to make it easier to keep track of the state? < 1420343101 839126 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be more efficient to truncate a line off a file, than move everthing back one line < 1420343108 391393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Mainly yes, but in unusual circumstances may do other things too. < 1420343122 75499 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm tail gves me the last time < 1420343533 278817 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1420343621 530767 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1420343646 154648 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1420343929 920983 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Client Quit < 1420344005 667109 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1420344087 20690 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1420344615 101695 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420345014 419410 :rade!~rade@unaffiliated/rade QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1420345494 863135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why not make losing the game as a result of attempting to draw a card a state-based action? < 1420345602 446771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://mtgjson.com/ < 1420345613 723397 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just doesn't make complete sense to me, since that would require the state of the game to include such a feature; it seems simpler to make it not a state-based action; this also would affect some unusual situations. < 1420345645 844316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering which situations it would affect. < 1420345655 392208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like state-based actions are the usual way to handle that sort of thing? < 1420345836 158442 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr JOIN :#esoteric < 1420345852 415358 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren why is that unicode so long < 1420345859 757722 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the catagory < 1420345877 218004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That JSON data is good idea. Virtual table module can be one way to convert it into SQLite format. (Another virtual table module could then be used to convert into another different format too.) < 1420345958 912552 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1420345962 814784 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: MACHINIST CHICKEN < 1420345992 712760 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1420346069 714606 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1420346074 682905 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one render 16 million colours on a bit map < 1420346115 954305 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: depending on what "pop" is used for, you should probably create a new file and rename it atomically. < 1420346315 576322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It would affect the situation in case someone is both losing all life and being unable to draw a card at the same time. (I am also curious what the old Fourth Edition rules are regarding this situation. I have a Magic: the Puzzing book, so it would help to know such thing.) < 1420346344 158496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, what is your opnions of some of the cards I have put in? (Note that sometimes I update them even a few seconds ago and a few minutes in the future.) < 1420346403 390470 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example: x=$(mktemp --tmpdir "$(dirname "$1")"); l=$(tail -n 1 "$1"); head -n -1 "$1" >"$x"; mv "$x" "$1"; echo "$l" < 1420346609 453943 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An open-source fanatic friend says no one will use my project if I don't open source it < 1420346624 356150 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he is probably half right. < 1420346635 221265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It depend what your project is, probably. What is the project anyways? < 1420346652 890282 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if I really want to say on here < 1420346660 499063 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a sorting of Google Maps API data though < 1420346675 18918 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Open-sourcing it will nevertheless probably improve its usefulness. < 1420347940 348360 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, they also have mana symbols in SVG; that may help in order to convert it into a typeface. < 1420348105 145401 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: where's prismatajson? < 1420348190 795973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://blog.prismata.net/units/ hth < 1420348537 135208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://prismata.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=Category:Unit_data has some unit data. < 1420348545 763461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to play a game? < 1420348587 283529 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you open source it < 1420348738 402280 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might want to make money on it. Although I guess I can both have ads and open-source it < 1420348741 895799 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still undecided < 1420348838 613271 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is also undecided whether to play shachaf in Prismata right now
< 1420348856 131287 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put lots of invisible banner ads on it < 1420348893 66392 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then open source it layer a couple ssh's over it encrypt all of it and then no one can use eet < 1420348907 516281 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screeeee < 1420349115 779421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo decide < 1420349126 767297 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides he needs to drink water
< 1420349174 942484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can open-source it and still earn money; there are several ways to do so. For example the GUI version is you can charge money and/or put ads in it, command-line version is an open-source software package < 1420349209 722930 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it force pull $3000 from their paypals < 1420349243 395794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cheating and anyways not everyone is using Paypal or has that much in their account even if they do. < 1420349268 183951 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh ;-; < 1420349274 141874 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Packet sniffer < 1420349289 313688 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk I give illegal suggestions < 1420349292 941446 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't mind ne < 1420349299 90798 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :me* < 1420349322 867408 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION won't play Prismata right now
< 1420349341 547386 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatis prismata? < 1420349371 918947 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://prismata.net/ < 1420349408 503757 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ty < 1420349429 133261 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION proceeds to click the link after 17 weeks
< 1420351673 588411 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1420351828 403024 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :🍔🍟🎮😊 < 1420351960 538125 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1420352354 672279 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1420352460 376388 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't prismata that game that was basically jumpstarted by reddit? < 1420352658 969059 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you crave that mineral? < 1420352885 587749 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1420353015 196266 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1420353045 808459 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude: yes < 1420353162 897214 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1420356787 44912 :PixelToast!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:ac49:bdf3:9a7d:888 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420356811 236921 :PixelToast!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:ac49:bdf3:9a7d:888 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420357958 274150 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: Might as well encrypt their data and ask for money to decrypt < 1420358880 209212 :PixelToast!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:ac49:bdf3:9a7d:888 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1420358896 216057 :^v!~^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1420360211 54040 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1420360506 254906 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1420361538 492646 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1420361723 680690 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1420361723 808281 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Folders14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41590 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+828) 10Clarifications? < 1420363091 743425 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1420363184 100255 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@87.228.105.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420363184 365426 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@87.228.105.48 QUIT :Changing host < 1420363184 408612 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1420364517 685407 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ufqdfvnogpcikiir QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1420364816 539983 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1420366492 654309 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420366567 299746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1420366684 286722 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't understand why the icon for a zip archive on windows is a folder with a zipper on it < 1420366700 725624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you just answer your own question < 1420366726 262294 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not use a proper metaphor instead of a stupid pun? < 1420366751 411751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a pun? < 1420366755 96893 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like haha .zip zipper < 1420366789 625190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, if it is a pun, are you sure microsoft made it? < 1420366819 219902 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't got any special icon sets installed (afaik) < 1420366835 305792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, are you sure "zip" wasn't made for that pun < 1420366854 920138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, making metaphors into icons is hard. < 1420366872 878921 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-49-198.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: going back to sleep < 1420366882 51008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was named after pkzip obviously hth < 1420366936 891699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe not "The name "zip" (meaning "move at high speed") was suggested by Katz's friend, Robert Mahoney." < 1420366956 367739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1420367033 203956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if God was the first pun, then who made God < 1420367053 814935 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://snag.gy/Al52E.jpg < 1420367060 185073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun puns < 1420367075 469532 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the zipper is in a nonsensical place < 1420367104 809430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, pretty sure "zipper" must have been made from that verb too... < 1420367108 881736 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah I won't believe that they were unaware of the other meanings. (the decompressor was pkunzip -- would that mean "make slow"?) < 1420367216 694957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get this feeling everyone in the channel except me is into manga style these days < 1420367226 463462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course i have no style) < 1420367229 991940 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oppa manga style! < 1420367286 206886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{Oren}]: i see no zipper in that image :( < 1420367305 421022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꊐ < 1420367359 418436 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "compressed folder" named "allegro" is the fourth one down on the left. < 1420367361 209056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :``unidecode ꊐ # ha ha < 1420367361 763860 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `unidecode: not found < 1420367368 128215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1420367382 134175 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꊐ < 1420367382 774499 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A290 YI SYLLABLE ZIP] < 1420367396 719252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1420367440 107933 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 名 < 1420367441 491453 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+540D CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-540D] < 1420367457 270970 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that is an extremely unhelpful name < 1420367461 308684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you thin < 1420367462 490299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1420367608 294057 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 狗 < 1420367608 948778 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+72D7 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-72D7] < 1420367628 940624 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it sure is 72D7 isn't it < 1420367659 763567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an ideological system hth < 1420367721 385353 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1420367793 236292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the han unification ideology < 1420367900 530220 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that character means dog in every languageit is used in... why can't they just say CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH DOG < 1420367945 356651 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to re-check this, I may have been stupid yesterday < 1420367956 215834 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also nowadays it should just be CJ unification since K aren't using them anymore < 1420367963 867612 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should just be CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH 狗 hth < 1420368063 731849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{Oren}]: they aren't? < 1420368112 353772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did south korea stop sprinkling kanji into everything, i heard that was a major difference between them and north korea < 1420368122 624416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(once upon a time) < 1420368168 912004 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: apparently they stopped in the 1990's < 1420368173 956850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1420368215 474538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :live and learn < 1420368262 115682 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, so it went from CJKV to CJK and now it should just be CJ < 1420368516 300032 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Formal hanja education begins in grade 7 (junior high school) and continues until graduation from senior high school in grade 12. A total of 1,800 hanja are taught: 900 for junior high, and 900 for senior high (starting in grade 10)." < 1420368620 506312 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's latin < 1420368637 852559 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... i see < 1420368663 410117 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: "Only Latin capital letters A to Z (U+0041..U+0056), ASCII digits (U+0030..U+0039), U+0020 space, and U+002D hyphen-minus occur in character names." < 1420368701 454585 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such privileges < 1420368748 257986 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I thought the allowed selection was a bit larger, < 1420368748 646690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should tell those folks about unicode < 1420368751 200811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 2015 < 1420368754 890161 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, all iso-646 invariant printable characters < 1420368755 743921 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unicode, chapter 4.8) < 1420368763 720633 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ehe < 1420368765 439964 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically commas or slashes cuold appear < 1420368768 655440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hmm, is that a statement of what is /allowed/ or just what happens to be true? < 1420368780 690714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think at least one more character actually appears, let me look it up < 1420368801 52922 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: looks like a hard rule to me. < 1420368830 980142 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a rule for subcommittees. < 1420368884 916523 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's even any systematic way of enumerating the han characters by shape < 1420368887 223844 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway i see now reason then why 漢 could not be CJ UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH HAN < 1420368973 519675 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: there is the tried and true radical/stroke number system but it doesn't really work for simplified characters < 1420368985 7274 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: shape? _shape_? the shape isn't what determines the characters, it's the historical fluff loaded on it. that's true even for latin. O and О are different characters even if they have the same shape. < 1420368986 881628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CJ UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH COMPOSED OF RADICAL WITH TWO SHORT DOWNWARD DIAGONAL STROKES ABOVE A LONG UPWARD DIAGONAL STROKE AND RADICAL GOD WHAT A MESS < 1420369026 451580 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as expected, it should be by the meaning < 1420369078 487424 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most han ideographs are uniquely determined by shape < 1420369090 101444 :impomatic_!~digital_w@237.7.115.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420369090 729120 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{Oren}]: but the meaning can change, and you can't ever be sure what meanings a character will get that all languages that will ever be transcribed with kanji in the future um I've got this sentence tangled up < 1420369098 96931 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: not the unified ones, that's the point < 1420369152 440469 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: of course, the unified ones (that unify different characters from simplified chinese, traditional chinese, and japanese) are a historical artifact that should never have happened (the reason was that they only had the space for about 65536 characters) < 1420369189 656983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode OО < 1420369190 489975 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+004F LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O] [U+041E CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER O] < 1420369207 763257 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode is far from futureproof anyway < 1420369213 283483 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-49-198.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1420369216 526125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if they'd done latin-cyrillic greek unification < 1420369221 717740 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{Oren}]: sure, there are mistakes and even plain typos in the character names < 1420369223 552462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*- < 1420369246 650626 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i have done that in a font for a game < 1420369257 348090 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think that would have been pointless. there's only like one character you can share with greek (o) and about two or three you can share with cyrillic < 1420369264 833704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere out there is a parallel universe where china invented the internet and they did just that. < 1420369294 166169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh hm well if you have to keep upper and lower case together... < 1420369329 490702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine this system being made by completely culture-ignorant chinese < 1420369331 771891 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if china was more powerful then japan and taiwan would just have to make due with simplified characters < 1420369345 561841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they unify latin P with russian R < 1420369347 288833 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, admittedly that's already sort of fucked up with the turkish i and the two different cyrillic lowercase shapes < 1420369370 770542 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's just no easy solution for those, some software really has to know about the details to handle those < 1420369434 470219 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I was wrong, indeed all character names use only those characters < 1420369450 518587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how much internationalized software out there _actually_ handles russian numbers correctly < 1420369468 441665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: russian numbers? what? < 1420369495 211002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course most software handles internationalized anything wrong < 1420369508 209363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: this isn't a character issue, but combining a number and a noun in russian has at least 5 different inflection combinations < 1420369554 62820 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most software don't even handle 1 languages correctly < 1420369558 397828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to know how to inflect the nouns < 1420369559 890445 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dunno, ask ais523, he's the one who's worked on that kind of crazy phrase making software. well, some of my colleagues have too. < 1420369570 809265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he has? < 1420369603 375517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not Russian in particular, but he's started to wrote a branch of nethack4 called grammartree, currently sleeping, that tries to handle translation well in general < 1420369626 951250 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also improving messages in English, which is no easy task beacuse nethack's handling of English is quite good already most of the times < 1420369633 374623 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though there are small mistakes) < 1420369673 986146 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it turns out grammartree was too large a task so he's concentrating on other stuff instead, and the trunk has drifted far enough that grammartree is not even easy to merge I think < 1420369689 161900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, the basics of grammartree might be helpful, it seems to be some ultra-general system thingy < 1420369689 433973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mainly i'm thinking of this because the yesod web framework in haskell has a documentation page on internationalization, and mentions the russian problem as something you want an advanced system for, but does _not_ show that (or anything similarly complicated) as an actual code example < 1420369730 94536 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: have you checked if icu has code for this russian numbers thing? they have some sort of number formatting stuff < 1420369743 82288 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting fact: because Shift-JIS encodes greek and russian with two bytes, these characters are displayed wide on Japanese fonts < 1420369752 678474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i don't even do this kind of coding myself, so no < 1420369763 567023 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and no interface for finding the date of Easter in their calendar handling, it seems) < 1420369785 546006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{Oren}]: yeah, crazy historical stuff < 1420369807 61928 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{Oren}]: that's where the weird single width kana come from < 1420369812 867033 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact they even decided that 2 bytes = wide character is crazy < 1420369846 562208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{Oren}]: Are you sure it is really crazy? It make a few sense to me. < 1420369854 953144 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{Oren}]: oh come on, that does make sense. think of teletext, where the color changing codes take up a column, so that it can be decoded by very simple circuits < 1420369876 776042 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could guarantee that strlen is the width of the string... < 1420369883 391655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The part of Shift-JIS which is bad is that it sometimes interferes with ASCII characters. < 1420369892 882969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, 2 bytes = wide character is not bad. < 1420369896 727584 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(teletext also has different and incompatible codepages, so if you're watching with the television made for the wrong country, you'll see garbled accented characters. that happens with some old basic-based personal computers too.) < 1420369978 778949 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from http://userguide.icu-project.org/formatparse/numbers I think it doesn't handle that < 1420369987 996738 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not fully I mean < 1420370001 225819 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may have a way to format numbers with different inflections < 1420370030 446486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :here in norway, teletext frequently shows swedish letters instead of norwegian ones < 1420370039 114500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least used to < 1420370161 689146 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in ö instead of ø ? or more fucked up? < 1420370180 766642 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, I mean Ö instead of Ø < 1420370187 866567 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lowercase letters... what was I thinking) < 1420370193 627480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1420370210 262192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :noticeable but not a real problem < 1420370264 587505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do modern television receivers handle all that correctly? I mean, they're certainly technically capable to store all the different codepages and use the right one. < 1420370312 507797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i'm going to suspect that their ORDINAL rule cannot even handle romance languages (something like 1a vs. 1o dependent on gender) < 1420370354 900561 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear from my brother that Swedish-speaking doctors in Norway sometimes dictate medical texts in Swedish and their secretary types them translated to Norwegian on the fly. < 1420370369 222875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1420370418 753037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do doctors even have secretaries these days. < 1420370429 124046 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@87.228.105.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420370429 440900 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@87.228.105.48 QUIT :Changing host < 1420370429 484142 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1420370440 574197 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: assistants. and not all of them have them of course, just some, so this isn't universal. < 1420370462 626648 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the texts doctors write have very few ordinary words, it's mostly medical jargon and abbreviations, so I imagine translating it isn't difficult. < 1420370578 735939 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dad once translated a bulgarian math paper into russian. he has very little knowledge of wither language < 1420370580 251402 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they certainly have assistants because there are too few doctors but enough assistants. < 1420370626 956705 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{Oren}]: yes, math is like that too. it's much easier to learn to read english or french or german or russian math papers than to really learn those languages. the vocabulary is small. < 1420370628 344619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once translated an english medical text into norwegian for my aunt < 1420370659 434484 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days most of the papers are English or Chinese, so I never really had to learn that skill, but still. < 1420370728 445090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :western scientists are going to be so hosed when chinese really takes off as a scientific language < 1420370753 458736 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nah, quite a lot of the papers they write are worthless < 1420370761 930108 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the papers they write in chinese that is < 1420370769 2392 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese scientists could read both < 1420370777 623701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: by taking off, i mean in quality as well, of course < 1420370783 586237 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe < 1420370785 768220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, can no longer be ignored < 1420370822 404449 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but aren't math papers at that point (possibly not those in other sciences) still supposed to have a small vocabulary, so they're easy to read (even if not write)? < 1420370873 43302 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.71.102 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1420370940 271431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i wasn't talking about math specifically < 1420370974 626137 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean like biologists? They might be more screwed, yeah < 1420370976 649854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i still think chinese would be worse; with german/french you can still recognize all the latin/greek-derived words in common < 1420370988 33297 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it would be somewhat worse < 1420371036 422291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*far* worse, if you can never guess what a word means... < 1420371046 818626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from its form < 1420371059 30551 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to guess. look it up in a dictionary. come on, we're living on the internet age. < 1420371067 163452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...fair point. < 1420371087 440896 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers are already making finding and reading research papers much easier in many ways. < 1420371089 299982 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully some of those improved-quality publications concern automatic translation < 1420371217 388010 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, nearly all computer science publications worth reading are written in english < 1420371307 903002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose when you're already using an english-based programming language... < 1420371322 285890 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and english based libraries < 1420371377 36149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: meh, I don't care much about computer science publications. < 1420371560 169667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the rule in Magic: the Gathering if the type of a creature being haunted changes into something that isn't a creature? < 1420371585 337851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O wait, now I see. < 1420371588 753824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind < 1420371948 56816 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1420372140 912995 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's such a rule? I think the haunting continues to work < 1420372186 646824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a general rule that effects saying things like "that creature" referencing an object selected earlier still work even if the referenced object is no longer of that type < 1420372235 906529 :impomatic_!~digital_w@237.7.115.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1420372290 342045 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though of course some particular effects could have specific rules overriding this < 1420373060 161429 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, rule 702.54b clarifies it so that is how I already saw < 1420373080 934455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The haunting does continue to work. < 1420373103 773009 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1420373661 557691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see the new cards I made in newmtg.txt? Now I added some, such as "Hide Attackers". < 1420373745 704012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is an instant with Ninjutsu; that is pretty strange, isn't it?) < 1420373800 384363 :rade!~rade@unaffiliated/rade JOIN :#esoteric < 1420373832 517950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that Vigilance does not prevent a card with Ninjutsu from coming into play tapped. < 1420373864 826277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also assume that Defender does not prevent Ninjutsu from working. < 1420374333 288371 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what newmtg.txt? < 1420374595 703419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/newmtg.txt < 1420374785 964240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any Magic: the Puzzling that invokes rule 514.3a? < 1420374967 329309 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, wait a minute, which rule is that, do I even have a copy of the latest version of the rules? < 1420374991 442267 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These rules are effective as of June 1, 2014." -- that's old < 1420375010 9363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the rule that allows players to have priority during a cleanup step if state-based or triggers occur at that time. < 1420375035 974308 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I've heared of that rule, yes < 1420375136 92063 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These rules are effective as of September 25, 2014." - better < 1420375146 972131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's what 514.3a says < 1420375362 682900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: here's what I was wondering. would it be sane for white to have a counterspell like this: name: Fair Duel. mana cost: 1W. type: Instant. abilities: Cast Fair Duel only during combat. Counter target spell. < 1420375392 933514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. It looks like OK to me, but I don't know. < 1420375421 118175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will add it anyways for now. < 1420375451 92109 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Losing the game due to being unable to draw a card is now part of the definition of drawing a card (rather than a state-based action), and occurs immediately, before state-based actions are checked.” - oh, sounds like a good change! < 1420375484 750888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are cards too, not only rules in there! < 1420375567 511926 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Loyalty abilities have {T} as part of their cost.” - what? wouldn't that make the middle ability of Gideon, Champion of Justice very difficult to use effectively? < 1420375611 943483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1420375639 543529 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently Khans has another similar planeswalker: Sharkan, the Dragonspeaker < 1420375668 931475 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even without this, what purpose would that change serve? < 1420375674 244619 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I deleted that paragraph now. < 1420375684 827844 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1420375788 769540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You may want to reload; I don't know if you have the newest version with other minor changes too.) < 1420375853 162025 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, Aether Hack sounds scary < 1420375878 158542 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it let me change -1/-1 counters to +2/+2 counters? or whatever is the best counter in existance < 1420375882 475823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! < 1420375905 494537 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only references to named (not +X/+X and -X/-X) counters can be changed. < 1420375965 589327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added that clarification. < 1420376001 654837 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+2/+2 and -2/-2 seems to be the best) < 1420376005 893131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you change to poison counters? < 1420376009 995874 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1420376024 694882 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it helps much, because players barely get other counters < 1420376064 447787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, exactly that. < 1420376126 698136 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can't change _from_ -1/-1 counters either? < 1420376130 119501 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1420376134 598859 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it says "named counter" now < 1420376219 107010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is correct it can't change _from_ -1/-1 or +1/+1 counters either. < 1420376326 628298 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what cards are there that refer to any type of counter, besides Aether Snap, Clockspinning, and Giant Fan? < 1420376358 413916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it cannot change counters that are already on a permanent, although it may partially or fully stop those counters from working. < 1420376389 11396 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but it can make a spell enter the battlefield with the wrong type of counters < 1420376426 483752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it can, in some cases. < 1420376430 35864 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, a super-strong Searchlight that adds to each player's mana pool? weird < 1420376452 607108 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Change Designation - um, doesn't this break some sort of rules? < 1420376461 659539 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus it might be hard to track because it doesn't time out < 1420376471 817217 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at least it's an aura < 1420376472 996149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1420376489 748042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does expire when the aura is removed (or its ability is removed). < 1420376494 638784 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1420376506 510584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of rules is it breaking exactly? < 1420376512 893635 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, let me think < 1420376530 443597 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might not break any < 1420376543 743938 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can mostly already change names with copy effects < 1420376569 294725 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets you double Legendary creatures under the same control of course, < 1420376580 627543 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or help or hinder Echoing spells < 1420376586 586060 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not rules breakage < 1420376613 798779 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biovisionary… what the heck is this? is that card for real? < 1420376626 920560 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1420376651 191039 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simic at its best < 1420376775 847335 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it might let you get Kaldra a bit earlier, but that's also no problem < 1420376969 360179 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diligent Farmhand … what the heck? do cards like that really exist? < 1420376973 453463 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find strange things < 1420377211 46514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1420377244 294890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1420377314 716999 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck... < 1420377433 478887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1420377666 971316 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1420377720 161560 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck, there's an aura in Fallen Empires that gives a creature the homarid abilities? < 1420377723 637767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1420377743 320986 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, technically it doesn't) < 1420377876 417866 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"{(3/R)}" - now really < 1420377879 396474 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be confusing < 1420378375 341537 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control Yourself -- a bit narrow, but could work against Lure abilities, or possibly on cards with activated abilities an opponent can play < 1420378394 700616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although maybe the name should be changed too < 1420378403 512135 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Clergy of the Holy Nimbus < 1420378416 898970 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that undamagable stone lion thing < 1420378438 906705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is some of the uses of this card. < 1420378487 401591 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically it could also protect you if you're going to be mindslaved < 1420378517 906790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Aether Storm < 1420378526 682709 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, it doesn't help for that < 1420378533 491792 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much at least < 1420378652 661825 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that lion thing is Glittering Lion < 1420378717 121463 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe also "must attack" creatures, there are a lot of those < 1420378728 202987 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or "must block") < 1420378839 548341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1420378943 634297 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corrupt Council - what the... how does this work? Basically, if you activate its ability, then you want to vote "yes", and then the opponent may have him draw a card in exchange for you drawing three cards? < 1420378951 762307 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus some lifegain. < 1420378965 678897 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have extra votes or something. < 1420379013 809914 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is how it works. But I don't know possibly the costs should be changed? < 1420379025 189176 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1420379095 773946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I fixed it so that whoever win a vote has to pay {1} before gaining 1 life and/or drawing 1 card. < 1420379128 624293 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diamond of Many Colors - why does this say "All mana in your mana pool is changed into a single color of your choice." rather than "Change all mana in your mana pool into a single color of your choice."? < 1420379149 842782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could change the wording if that would help. < 1420379188 610983 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though this seems somewhat inefficient to me, and I'd rarely use it over that shaman guy < 1420379207 368911 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the snake shaman < 1420379221 88815 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orochi Leafcaller < 1420379252 991188 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I would like more tools for coloring mana infinitely, but this seems underpowered to me < 1420379320 203615 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa... Emblegoyf gets +1/+1 for each object in the command zone... wait a minute < 1420379341 719915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that get like 20/20 if there's a pack of Archenemy schemes there? < 1420379360 474698 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you play it in Archenemy, that's guaranteed < 1420379365 659256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, probably the cost is too low < 1420379376 659522 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the problem is that you can't cost it correctly < 1420379386 882587 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in archenemy, it's always a 20/20 creature < 1420379388 654894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that it maybe it should be banned, or apply only to emblems < 1420379441 267333 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are emblems even objects? < 1420379474 154849 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they are objects < 1420379474 715028 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1420379499 313855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly only face-up objects. < 1420379518 126255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are emblems even face up? < 1420379547 918273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the rule is, but I assume it is if it isn't face-down. < 1420379559 625500 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, whatever < 1420379612 373642 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Energy Conversation ... hmm, this is funny < 1420379679 669573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now changed it to "non-face-down object" < 1420379780 915478 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Epicize is scary, but it has a high cost < 1420379843 614177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it can be removed with Disenchant. < 1420379863 721772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't it makes games boring and non-interactive once you cast it? < 1420379893 444705 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that deck I made that quickly gains me infinite life but then takes its sweet time to wait until the opponents are decked < 1420379901 328666 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tries to refill my library < 1420379902 292359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can still do stuff other than cast spells. < 1420379906 840944 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure < 1420379917 141201 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my opponents can still do stuff other than damage me < 1420379938 175325 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can try to counter my stuff that refills my library, which is the most effective tactics but only because that part of my deck sucked, < 1420379977 360630 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder, what spells of your own can it be worth to cast Epicize? < 1420380126 676223 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, a 2/2 creature with flying, trample, first strike costing any two different colors of mana, isn't that a bit overpowered in a two-colored deck? < 1420380159 638294 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey! I was serious about the exact text of Fair Duel < 1420380163 440233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has affinity for lands too though < 1420380195 422976 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Angelic Favor says "Cast Angelic Favor only during combat." < 1420380198 701246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the text this should have too < 1420380216 135906 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I fixed Fair Duel except that it refers to itself using a tilde. < 1420380216 857090 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "Can be used only during", that makes it look like some old card back before sane templating < 1420380225 221611 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :better, thanks < 1420380239 20520 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh wait, you mean the affinity is mandatory < 1420380250 993354 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I have five lands it can only get one +1/+1 counter?\ < 1420380251 914949 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whos < 1420380269 477075 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky < 1420380277 400124 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, then it might be not so overpowered < 1420380280 221284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I believe affinity is mandatory. < 1420380284 45971 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting construction < 1420380406 892239 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fast Aging ... what's that good for? countering permanents that already have cumulative upkeep? < 1420380491 15167 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing it is capable of doing is allow its controller to sacrifice it during their upkeep if they do not want that card anymore, even if it does not already have cumulative upkeep. < 1420380499 549817 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hex Shield - that's like an improved Diplomatic Immunity? < 1420380538 522051 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is like that. < 1420380624 348423 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Human Supremacy Corporation, the template should be "This ability may be activated by any player." instead of "Can be used by anyone." < 1420380638 129790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1420380649 904444 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "Any player may activate this ability." < 1420380651 446108 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1420380655 425074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1420380690 68159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next card I also fixed in the same way. < 1420380799 873160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Instant Infection can target spells or non-creature permanents... interesting < 1420380833 506877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I target a spell, does it keep that ability if that spell resolves to a permanent? my guess is no, but I'm not sure about the rules < 1420380846 593744 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait < 1420380848 140820 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it does < 1420380855 914425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it does; an object moving from the stack into play doesn't reset. < 1420380858 678577 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the Lace rule < 1420380872 117620 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, no < 1420380879 85034 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does reset, but there's a large exception I think < 1420380888 459880 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it keeps some of its characteristic changes < 1420380889 905586 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1420380891 877651 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look it up < 1420380934 642240 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule 400.7a < 1420380938 3409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know, let me look it up too, but I thought at least it didn't used to reset in some version of the rules? I'm not sure < 1420380951 243985 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"400.7a Effects from spells, activated abilities, and triggered abilities that change the characteristics of a permanent spell on the stack continue to apply to the permanent that spell becomes." < 1420380955 185852 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it keeps infect < 1420380956 737142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes that's correct. < 1420381010 522812 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think there's a rule somewhere that face down spells resolve face down < 1420381030 577977 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to a face down permanent < 1420381039 749073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1420381060 524155 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knowledge Enforcer - hmm, a reverse magpie < 1420381081 238823 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-raobhtcwznuoiuxa JOIN :#esoteric < 1420381104 589081 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Budget14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41591&oldid=41560 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+162) 10You're right < 1420381108 288305 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Landscape Formation - ah, this is that one you were asking about < 1420381157 293498 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't dare to call it "Yo Mama So Fat He's Got His Own Postal Code" or "Officer, I Hit Him Because I Didn't Have Enough Gas To Drive Around Him" < 1420381170 68338 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could still put that in the flavor text < 1420381192 284617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those names are silly and long, but yes they could be used in flavor text if anyone renders the cards. < 1420381212 61034 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course, different renders can have different flavor text and/or different art.) < 1420381249 828858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magical Armory - what the, can you even have a non-equipment just gain equip? < 1420381267 5161 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10deleted "[[02Budget10]]": Off topic and uninteresting < 1420381287 674994 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think you can < 1420381289 87030 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, strange < 1420381305 600232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules do not seem to prohibit it. < 1420381357 209655 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, why does Magus of Suspension have that last ability? < 1420381364 666410 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it related to the rest? < 1420381388 668252 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Master of the Dragons - oh no, another Old Fogey! < 1420381411 840013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't but I put it there to allow doing more damage, but maybe it shouldn't be? < 1420381470 907822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If Magical Armory is played on a global enchantment, I think the Equip ability is still usable but does nothing in such a case.) < 1420381558 206907 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, maybe make it 1/2 and give it an activated switch power and toughness ability < 1420381632 355281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1420381633 682029 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just remove it entirely and assume blue players will figure out something interesting to do with it rather than just want it to deal more damage < 1420381646 211380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes probably that is better OK < 1420381654 834350 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those five paragraphs don't even fit easily on a card < 1420381665 939114 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though you could try to put the first four in the same paragraph < 1420381683 369472 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1420381686 716252 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :suspend should be on its own < 1420381707 985001 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about "Suspend 4 -- {U}" as the first paragraph, then "Vanishing 4, flying" as the second < 1420381738 956528 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Master of the Dragons, don't capitalize all those abilities individually < 1420381744 770885 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, yes it can help to do that as am abbreviation. < 1420381775 895910 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't capitalize "Dragons" either < 1420381792 830870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't subtypes always capitalized though? < 1420381818 71924 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait, maybe they are < 1420381858 33487 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it seems so from Nath's Buffoon < 1420381864 525396 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so "Dragons" should remain capitalized < 1420381889 784381 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and change "Usable only during your turn." to something like "Activate this ability only during your turn." < 1420381923 235885 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1420381991 692171 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41592&oldid=41587 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+39) 10author, links < 1420382000 859225 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Master Switch - bringing back the old rules like Jar Jar Binks from Droidekar does? hmm < 1420382016 766526 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what next? will you add a card with an ability that reinstates mana burn? < 1420382033 566169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it stops working itself once its own activated ability is used < 1420382053 584891 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... what? < 1420382061 904320 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it does < 1420382074 664193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it says it only works while untapped < 1420382079 737858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1420382080 527963 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1420382093 544659 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I don't know how this would work < 1420382114 894483 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Yearcats14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41593&oldid=38196 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+26) 10Update < 1420382142 838188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you have two then you can turn off one artifact. < 1420382237 894141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modular Aura - interesting, that's a bit similar to Vigeaqn Hydropon < 1420382368 65567 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moon Monolith - hehe, so you'll have to remember which handful of cards are errataed to have color indicators? (Evermind, the suspend spells with no mana costs, Dryad Arbor I think) < 1420382410 836360 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Painful Markings - whoa.... interesting, though I'm not sure it should be red < 1420382434 80774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could change the mana cost if it help to do so. < 1420382459 617616 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure what color it should be really < 1420382478 628518 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to fit anywhere < 1420382574 346727 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personal Guard - wait what? how is a personal guard too slow to jump in front of a bullet? that's now how they work in Hollywood films < 1420382652 953864 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't having to pay {1W} enough of a restriction to activate that ability reacting to a surprise? < 1420382681 815016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably you are correct. < 1420382742 587945 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even in such case you can still react during declare attackers/declare blockers step if the stack is empty. < 1420382755 992006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but not for a Lightning Bolt < 1420382764 434141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a javelin or arrow < 1420382781 201144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is correct. < 1420382800 751272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For now I just changed the cost to {1} but later may make other changes. < 1420382817 418631 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scroll of Cryptic Runes - "Put target spell into play" - hehehe < 1420382838 252126 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Vigil14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41594&oldid=41580 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+80) 10wikify a bit < 1420382953 783171 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, can you paly that card with its madness ability if the stack isn't empty? < 1420382983 867951 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Vigil14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41595&oldid=41594 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-5) 10On second thought, I don't think it fits our definition of "joke language" < 1420382988 923555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I believe madness allows it. < 1420382993 974265 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1420383027 507467 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41596&oldid=41574 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+12) 10/* V */ Add Vigil < 1420383029 983273 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, stupid question < 1420383035 443749 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it does allow < 1420383074 106452 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Scroll of Protection" - hmm, I have a crazy card with protection somewhere < 1420383080 828236 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, not with protection < 1420383086 372532 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one that gives protection < 1420383090 693378 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. wtf. OK, trying to write an actual application in F# now, and I'm suddenly understanding why everyone hates writing code on MS platforms ... < 1420383095 353058 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :always wear protection < 1420383118 878812 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1420383306 292010 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to write a simple script that reads some text files and then outputs another text file, but apparently even predicting the current directory of an F# script/executable is non-trivial. < 1420383323 980190 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1420383367 658000 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was something like an aura that gives every creature protection from the enchanted permanent. < 1420383368 606398 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Script files default to a Windows temp directory, and executables build to a nested subfolder deep in the bowels of the project. < 1420383398 765638 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and of course, script files and source files have completely different behaviors when it comes to a main function. So that's fun. < 1420383461 906779 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Staff of Kicking" - how is this a staff rather than boots? < 1420383492 990083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is staff with boots on it; it is not equipment so it is not boots. < 1420383505 717837 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stone of Interruption - what < 1420383546 435270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you even activate that ability while there's a split second spell on the stack? < 1420383597 482252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Split second doesn't stop mana abilities from being used. < 1420383611 349037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1420383619 145009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This ability meets the criteria for being a mana ability, therefore it can be used. < 1420383621 955033 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppress Quality - how does this affect landwalk? < 1420383659 65310 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does "not choosing any parameters" mean? < 1420383660 411039 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Causes all landwalk abilities to be lost. < 1420383676 493683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means you have to choose Landwalk, you can't choose Forestwalk or Swampwalk or whatever. < 1420383681 874463 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1420383690 369394 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use Protection, but not Protection from red or whatever like that. < 1420383712 749893 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then put a comma before it, or possibly even rewrite it to more readable < 1420383729 345957 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it would apply only to parameterless keyword abilities like flying or trample, not parametered ones like enchant < 1420383733 207675 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it could be rewritten but I am not quite sure how. < 1420383755 30662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this works like that Wall thingy < 1420383765 882746 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rolling Stones < 1420383771 759621 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only better because it can destroy all auras < 1420383791 458129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its cost is so high because it can do so many things. < 1420383795 283504 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiny Shard - what? < 1420383841 539617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ability does nothing when it resolves. < 1420383851 538606 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, then maybe write that explicitly < 1420383894 657646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1420383925 743514 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totem Weakness - nice < 1420383949 360771 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of those auras that you can play for your own or an opponent's monster < 1420383968 555249 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Triangle of Protection - NO WAY! < 1420384044 624831 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1420384054 609854 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might work, I dunno, but it's scary < 1420384094 875953 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially at such a low cost < 1420384116 235756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I thought maybe it should be increased, but I don't know how much. < 1420384151 540223 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unearthed Arcana - again what < 1420384156 722582 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that good for? < 1420384175 333109 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how is it better than the same thing without splice? < 1420384176 359168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Splicing other cards onto it mainly, I suppose. < 1420384186 593399 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1420384187 351255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1420384196 672394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :splicing stuff on it... yes, that might work < 1420384222 990391 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thuogh we have better cards for that, like Reach Through Mists < 1420384234 627301 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why does it have the splice ability? < 1420384239 179056 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that help it? < 1420384251 783148 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arcane helps you splice stuff on it, or lets you trigger stuff < 1420384255 80661 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but splice why? < 1420384264 175484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly something might do something with that, even if no such card currently exists, I don't know for sure. < 1420384380 367347 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Universal Salvation - nice < 1420384389 169910 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1420384403 372886 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wall of Attachment - doesn't seem very useful, but whatever < 1420384426 883814 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait < 1420384430 626432 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be useful < 1420384435 252899 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1420384445 926869 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it is useful or not < 1420384526 116067 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wall of Demons - seems not very efficient to me < 1420384557 449318 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least some people still like walls, even walls with power. wizards seems to have stopped printing them. < 1420384617 584489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for sharing these cards < 1420384630 701085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1420384732 81734 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10deleted "[[02Trinary10]]": Obsolete redirect < 1420384912 884431 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1420384936 319867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later I might write some more, but, not right now! < 1420384942 770603 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they reprint Wall of Wood over Steel Wall < 1420384981 418803 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Larry Wall < 1420386648 576901 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1420386689 468242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1420386959 724745 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420387169 620735 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc -Wall < 1420388263 175411 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1420388808 704466 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1420389290 244549 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420389351 100067 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420389596 178174 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420389647 750496 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420389679 999694 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-92-1.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1420389751 118934 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-92-1.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1420389942 404165 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1420389947 93100 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@87.228.105.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420389947 476007 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@87.228.105.48 QUIT :Changing host < 1420389947 519284 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1420390298 27627 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1420391037 97079 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1420391093 443331 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1420391162 966581 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric < 1420391328 829048 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB < 1420391329 385829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 041700Z 08015G21KT 3SM -FZRA -SN OVC020 M08/M10 A2970 RMK SN2SC6 PRESFR SLP062 < 1420391713 737801 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420392286 748052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy -FZRA -SN day to you, too. < 1420392295 103889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1420392295 429651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 041720Z VRB04KT 4100 BR FEW002 SCT003 BKN004 03/02 Q1036 NOSIG < 1420392305 208659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what BR means. < 1420392332 131852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But those are some pretty low clouds.) < 1420392379 721607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :BR is apparently mist, due to what is undoubtedly a perfectly logical reason. < 1420392441 96713 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it's from the french word for mist < 1420392441 596232 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EDDL < 1420392442 435215 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EDDL 041720Z 25005KT 9999 FEW020 03/01 Q1035 NOSIG < 1420392443 868026 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BR is French «brouillard». < 1420392460 255148 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellolsner. you ninjaed me. < 1420392480 857749 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1420392550 865723 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recalled a shorter word though, something like brume < 1420392707 756171 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. hm. mistake on my part. sorry. < 1420392718 634220 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BR is «brume», which is “mist”. < 1420392730 139305 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(«brouillard» is “fog”.) < 1420392813 733164 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, according to the wikipédias, the terms refer to similar meteorological phenomenons, and are used differently depending on context. < 1420392961 272693 :kcm1700_!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420392972 895013 :kcm1700_!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420393008 848489 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420393190 345384 :^v!~^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420393193 273540 :PixelToast!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:ac49:bdf3:9a7d:888 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420393194 666044 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote metar < 1420393195 559458 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :989) metar lead to canada, more metar and cows < 1420393264 243881 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420393882 991572 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote field of cows < 1420393883 619129 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1420393890 884940 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote field full of cows < 1420393891 363384 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1420393894 463088 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote cows < 1420393894 951968 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :401) Look, I often walk my dog through a field with cows in it. And I punched myself in the face once. \ 989) metar lead to canada, more metar and cows \ 995) man at least job applications in biosciences are just like "you are willing to put your arms through a cow" Bike: please send us a link to your CowHub profile o < 1420393910 911549 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted that first one < 1420393931 912069 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Taneb.*?cows < 1420393932 586882 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :401) Look, I often walk my dog through a field with cows in it. And I punched myself in the face once. < 1420393939 792916 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh < 1420393940 331393 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh, regexpes! < 1420393943 624194 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not know you could do that < 1420393949 239165 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither did I. < 1420393994 570664 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote through a cow < 1420393995 397313 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :995) man at least job applications in biosciences are just like "you are willing to put your arms through a cow" Bike: please send us a link to your CowHub profile of cows you have previously put your arms through on your own time for fun please provide at least two zebrafish you have modified to glow in the dark < 1420394422 967668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1420394439 599805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a grep. < 1420394545 395549 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420395105 567035 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily! < 1420395252 15663 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia! < 1420395267 682796 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: egrep or pgrep? < 1420395279 744262 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat bin/quote < 1420395280 306551 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ allquotes | if [ "$1" ]; then \ if expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>&1; then \ sed "$1q;d" \ else \ grep -P -i -- "$1" \ fi \ else shuf -n 1; fi < 1420395289 697059 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ah, pgrep.) < 1420395301 532232 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sure havent been on steam in a long time mr. cuttle < 1420395336 110730 :david8956!~canaima@186-92-6-9.genericrev.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420395345 583158 :david8956!~canaima@186-92-6-9.genericrev.cantv.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1420395354 714589 :david8956!~canaima@186-92-6-9.genericrev.cantv.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helo < 1420395384 824815 :david8956!~canaima@186-92-6-9.genericrev.cantv.net PART :#esoteric < 1420395409 160540 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: >_>;... < 1420395489 278092 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it work? work is too busy? < 1420395523 545511 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. and tomorrow it starts again. bleh. < 1420395603 128477 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah same here < 1420395613 743 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a better job < 1420395615 330050 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1420395635 529432 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know a job with benefits and normal hours < 1420395713 92865 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hours are normal here, and always within standard deviation. < 1420395713 436583 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :random coder job? if you don't end up having to do overtime, that is < 1420395776 79574 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sure < 1420395804 912958 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily what is the stdev of hours there? < 1420395822 753277 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are you sure they arent skewed left? < 1420395893 130429 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1420395946 644336 :arjanb!8259aab8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.170.184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420395992 563758 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: a workday amounts to 7.5 hours (contract definition), but longest I've had was 9, I believe. < 1420396012 456195 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(previous job was much worse. personal record was 14 hours straight, on a Saturday.) < 1420396015 680492 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shortest? < 1420396042 24346 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :without appointments and similar, 7 I think? < 1420396117 164349 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how often is it 7 and how often is it 9? < 1420396215 892648 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've had a bout of light workload after the big Major Release, and heavy duty just before that. < 1420396270 316775 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not many people overtimed like crazy. I did a few days because I self-inflicted some stupid bright ideas on myself... in the end it did work out and saved the company a non-homeopathic amount of money, but never again.) < 1420396304 99494 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1420396310 781597 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1420396319 932203 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about me man < 1420396326 44072 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you man? < 1420396328 439363 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :got anything for me? < 1420396365 169784 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420396387 612787 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're always open to people who can make their way with Java and/or C++, know linear algebra, and French. < 1420396388 208700 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420396491 384851 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that last one is a deal breaker. i havent the froggiedt how to frenxh < 1420396492 136160 :PixelToast!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:ac49:bdf3:9a7d:888 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420396514 263021 :PixelToast!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:ac49:bdf3:9a7d:888 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420396639 361518 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1420396745 683805 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1420396924 195397 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :frenxhp? < 1420396951 182241 :kcm1700_!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420396975 24422 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420397005 392220 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420397005 583684 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.213 QUIT :Client Quit < 1420397209 709515 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1420397534 660490 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg PRIVMSG #esoteric :klb n,. < 1420397591 884745 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg PRIVMSG #esoteric :... sorry, cat thought the best path to the other side of the couch was across my computer < 1420397752 655854 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1420397798 483462 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{Helloren}] < 1420398153 533058 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orbyen? < 1420399502 878023 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Crewjony 5* 10New user account < 1420399596 233919 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Crewjony14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41597 5* 03Crewjony 5* (+74) 10Created page with "0x29A is an esoteric programming language, invented by David Lewis in 2004" < 1420399677 610007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420399780 549915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a strange. < 1420399802 608891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's the captcha question. < 1420399856 789809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it's a spambot < 1420399866 431140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :desperately looking for anything apparently relevant to put on the page < 1420400566 364943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode smiley face < 1420400567 304953 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1420400568 964003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1420400582 240432 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody could make unicode captchas < 1420400607 698304 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you have to enter the exact name of the character according to unicode < 1420400617 87554 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode small rectangle < 1420400617 850304 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1420400622 129998 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode rectangle < 1420400622 949775 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2327 X IN A RECTANGLE BOX \ UTF-8: e2 8c a7 UTF-16BE: 2327 Decimal: ⌧ \ ⌧ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+25AC BLACK RECTANGLE \ UTF-8: e2 96 ac UTF-16BE: 25ac Decimal: ▬ \ ▬ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+25AD WHITE RECTANGLE \ UTF-8: e2 96 ad UTF-16BE: 25a < 1420400657 250861 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sorry, your answer 'X IN A RECTANGLE' was wrong." < 1420401366 174282 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, your answer 'invisible plus' was wrong. < 1420401903 10702 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make up a character and a name, and it has to get accepted into Unicode < 1420402199 116558 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1420402331 597461 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, GIRAFFE WEARING ROLLERBLADES EMOJI < 1420402372 166035 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it doesn't look like a giraffe wearing rollerblades, I think we can conclude you're not human < 1420403941 681984 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1420404734 591816 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1420404879 393261 :graue!~graue@kali.infestationgardens.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420404922 980622 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1420405073 490118 :kcm1700_!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420405081 206606 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420405088 873447 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420405381 108034 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420405683 147883 :kcm1700_!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420405697 80602 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1420405720 903441 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any golfy way to swap the first two elements of a haskell list? < 1420405773 176420 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: swapHeads (x1:x2:xs) = x2:x1:xs; swapHeads xs = xs ? < 1420405785 541002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that was pretty much what I was going to write < 1420405794 893268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with a 1-letter name because it's golfed ;-) < 1420405946 77860 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420407040 277538 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420407133 46315 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1420407145 124373 :kcm1700_!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420407231 760347 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-49-198.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1420407313 278656 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-49-198.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1420407332 379188 :kcm1700_!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420407378 529037 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420408075 235677 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kivbkivrnmvsjmnu JOIN :#esoteric < 1420408879 576086 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kivbkivrnmvsjmnu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh yeah FreeFull < 1420408905 343260 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kivbkivrnmvsjmnu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although this was yesterday and I have no furthur need to talk about it < 1420409400 513665 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: HAPAX CHICKEN < 1420409496 301346 :graue!~graue@kali.infestationgardens.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1420410303 583327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2014 < 1420410304 218044 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1420410969 145178 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2016 < 1420410969 689601 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 2016: not found < 1420411525 416516 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did you forget what year it was < 1420411532 740061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no < 1420411535 528060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making sure it's still working < 1420411555 919815 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could it concievably not work? < 1420412273 297041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1420412792 638743 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1420412816 314771 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420413085 754222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw, I mised graue < 1420413089 293080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed < 1420413090 467195 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think LSL poisoned my brain < 1420413114 765952 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to do Javascript. Desperately avoiding global variables by abusing closures. Everything is in one large function < 1420413174 825842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's, um... literally what idiomatic javascript does < 1420413243 541886 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes me feel better < 1420413244 509188 :kcm1700_!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420413254 327682 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420413257 46922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ais523: crewjony is obviously Johny of My name is Johny, what the F**K????? < 1420413269 446734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prophecy is coming true < 1420413301 343913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: like, you've seen the (function () { ... })(); thing, right? < 1420413308 412761 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1420413381 602626 :arjanb!8259aab8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.170.184 QUIT :Quit: zzz < 1420413462 842679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wasn't that a spambot, though? < 1420413468 29389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, did you ever write that language? < 1420413488 975947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you clearly have no understanding of the scriptures < 1420413498 242900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language can only be created by johny himself < 1420413782 62880 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420413791 861365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420413872 628158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: finally it all makes sense < 1420414035 30149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : desperately looking for anything apparently relevant to put on the page <-- it's the spambot of the beast hth < 1420414062 471114 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1420414628 243733 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1420415032 272010 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric