< 1420502434 328341 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1420502874 103132 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: quitan < 1420503045 575498 :^v!~^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420503072 657289 :arjanb!8259aab8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.170.184 QUIT :Quit: zzz < 1420503163 273949 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@188.73.192.38 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1420503197 489949 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1420503893 456612 :GeoDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude < 1420504421 851034 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1420505206 792000 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420505216 7710 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420505253 739263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1420505483 43685 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1420505518 259512 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420506119 894953 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jmhraxvevmsvyqqt QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1420506405 304067 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Folders14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41600&oldid=41590 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+470) 10/* Clarifications? */ response to Keymaker < 1420507306 367428 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420508731 636327 :rottytooth!185a1d53@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.90.29.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420510092 279546 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1420511517 697149 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1420512406 691324 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1420514912 51602 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@188.73.192.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420514951 386228 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@188.73.192.38 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1420514996 93007 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@188.73.192.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420516198 679534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if somehow an aura loses its Enchant ability? What happens if something that isn't an aura (such as an Equipment) gains enchant ability? < 1420516238 850813 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1420516297 548595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Perhaps you can ask in #mtgrules on EFNet. < 1420516490 221574 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote this code two days ago. I do not remember why I have two arguments with confusingly similar names. < 1420516496 529870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I will try < 1420516515 902726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the host name and port number for EFNet? < 1420516528 285716 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1420516551 326056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think irc.efnet.org:6667 should work. < 1420516553 590684 :Pnight!~Puppy_es@186.56.173.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420516643 281496 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1420516721 173065 :Pnight!~Puppy_es@186.56.173.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello everybody! < 1420516727 492334 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1420516732 382019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK it looks like working. < 1420516737 575884 :Pnight!~Puppy_es@186.56.173.74 NICK :Eiel < 1420516758 254498 :Eiel!~Puppy_es@186.56.173.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, my first time !!! < 1420516767 550825 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks to me like it's still an enchantment that is now allowed to enchant any object or player. < 1420516782 583666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Eiel < 1420516783 775379 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06Eiel: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.) < 1420516814 101126 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but can you actually make that happen? < 1420516814 383773 :Eiel!~Puppy_es@186.56.173.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you elliott! greetings! < 1420516896 58619 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I thought it might be but an unsure, and it doesn't answer the second question. I do not know if anything can actually make that happen. < 1420517010 30546 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1420517046 789447 :Eiel!~Puppy_es@186.56.173.74 QUIT :Quit: Luego regreso < 1420517081 164157 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "The enchant ability restricts what an Aura spell can target and what an Aura can enchant. " <-- if it isn't an aura that doesn't seem to do anything. < 1420517139 456493 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I agree that it's not perfectly clear. < 1420517205 725414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if an aura lost "Enchant" it would make sense for it to be able to be able to enchant anything, because "Enchant X. Enchant Y." means it can only attach something which is both an X and a Y. < 1420517223 438794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for instance it would be able to enchant permanents, players, cards in graveyards, etc. < 1420517317 284542 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1420517510 686538 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boggles at the thought of enchanting an ability on the stack...
< 1420517643 887501 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if it can enchant anything then clearly it could do that; I knew that part already. < 1420517673 353005 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woohoo, only one small mistake in major code change, other than that, worked on first try! < 1420517733 456182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, want to play prismata? < 1420517762 687392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you enchanted something on the stack, I would believe that as soon as it resolves or is countered, the enchantment is removed as a state based action, isn't it? < 1420517786 70850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'd expect. < 1420517798 923242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could make e.g. counterspells be enchantments with that mechanism. < 1420517844 890035 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: right now, want to refactor a bit to get rid of the poorly named "place", which is easily confused with "dest" < 1420517878 344495 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe some other shuffling around, putting the warning+copyright below the important stuff or something < 1420518071 187356 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Scoppini 5* 10New user account < 1420518325 883371 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@188.73.192.38 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1420518343 480806 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@188.73.192.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420518361 506839 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@188.73.192.38 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1420518388 694453 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@188.73.192.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420518729 609150 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok, I'll play < 1420518764 312244 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After you're done with Master Bot < 1420518850 850430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, does it let you see my game? < 1420518920 503751 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1420519008 358444 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1420519367 765917 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1420519703 242127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What are all those engineers for? < 1420519717 373215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why block 4 with Wall+Steelsplitter instead of 2 engineers+Wall? < 1420519851 224892 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1420519970 138979 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-49-198.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1420520077 684303 :rottytooth!185a1d53@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.90.29.83 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1420520116 328250 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gg < 1420520148 265072 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The engineers were for a vague hope that maybe I could burst build drones, so that your deadeyes can't take out all of them in a single turn, so I could get more ossifieds < 1420520161 713691 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-49-198.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1420520174 429129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you build two walls after I built a steelsplitter? < 1420520192 439408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems way overdefensive. A wall just by itself can absorb 2 damage. < 1420520208 493743 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have thought it made sense to prepare defensively. Probably not. < 1420520226 995292 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please do not assume that I am good at Prismata < 1420520282 12819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Oh, they don't deal in theoretical questions, apparently. < 1420520392 636015 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there are unspecified situations that can occur, does that mean that Magic is allowed to eat your laundry? < 1420520401 393954 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1420520591 238104 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420520735 484481 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1420521025 491504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am interested even in theoretical questions. < 1420521369 135558 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can enchant a creature's tap ability, without enchanting the creature? < 1420521469 382333 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of this stuff doesn't fit with the way I played Magic in grade 7 < 1420521677 40887 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :see we used a physical STACK of cards < 1420521724 890515 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1420522282 84308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I think you would enchant it when activated, the enchantment goes away when it resolves < 1420522873 281876 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1420523104 421601 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since they don't want theoretical questions I may ask some more on here: What happens if an aura has living weapon ability? < 1420523181 887488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the answer to many of your questions is that it never happens, so the rules don't specify the behavior. < 1420523203 163450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, though: 702.91a. Living weapon is a triggered ability. "Living weapon" means "When this Equipment enters the battlefield, put a 0/0 black Germ creature token onto the battlefield, then attach this Equipment to it." < 1420523242 989073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that already. < 1420523269 234833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "this Equipment" is meaningless, actually. Or means the same as "this permanent". < 1420523306 883571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think the latter, but it still leaves a few things unclear to me. < 1420523334 891284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the latter, I think that's specified somewhere. < 1420523405 787378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so too, but it still doesn't fully answer my question. < 1420523429 184297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I don't have an answer to your question. < 1420523462 424716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than that the rules make it reasonably clear that they don't intend to print it on non-Equipment cards. And I don't know of a way you could get it onto cards otherwise. < 1420524613 640659 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1420525698 301385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the rules; it looks like to me that it first is attached to whatever it targeted, and then it tries to become attached to the Germ token if possible. Is that correct? < 1420525759 685163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Maybe #mtg on EFNet would be more accepting of theoretical questions. < 1420525761 276056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1420525911 488208 :MoALTz__!~no@user-46-112-49-198.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1420526069 327937 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-49-198.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420526071 765160 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was looking through the list of banned cards, and "Falling Star" seems out of place. < 1420526417 105779 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420526628 241622 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"< int-e> looks to me like it's still an enchantment that is now allowed to enchant any object or player." - I thought it was like that since Time Spiral, when they added an aura that enchants a card in the gy. < 1420526676 396399 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "What happens if something that isn't an aura (such as an Equipment) gains enchant ability?" - hmm, there was some way to get an aura equipment in some recent set I think < 1420526800 225431 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but as for an Aura losing its "enchant" ability, I suspect that's actually impossible in vanilla M:tG, it's only possible in your variant where creature auras don't get removed, but I could be wrong < 1420526820 58821 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you animate and then humiliate an aura without getting state-based actions resolve in between? < 1420526888 654002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually, you'd need to animate it, humiliate it, then unanimate it, which is probably impossible < 1420527243 513154 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any Magic: the Gathering puzzles involving games of more than two players? If so, are there any that require conceding in order to solve the puzzle? < 1420527302 992364 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know < 1420527333 685107 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not hard to set up a situation where conceding will make your team win, but I don't know if there's a good puzzle made from this < 1420527358 869141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have a few ideas relating to such things. < 1420527483 657776 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What happens if an aura has living weapon ability?" -- dunno, but check the set faq and rulings and stuff for the sets in the Theros block, iirc think that was the block where it was first possible to get equipment auras < 1420527543 641079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I remember is that it could somehow happen to get aura equipment and that they're attached to only one object that both equipment-related and aura-related abilities refer to < 1420527587 89393 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite remember how it could happen though < 1420527891 322137 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, can't find that reference to aura equipment < 1420528372 694629 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm damn < 1420528394 134848 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that situation I described with conceding in multiplayer to have your team win the game might not work: < 1420528404 361436 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"810.8b If a player concedes, his or her team leaves the game immediately. That team loses the game." < 1420528648 508531 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, you could still try to concede to influence which of your opponents win < 1420528760 367386 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's trivial and doesn't need any rules shenenigans < 1420528877 977384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking a game following rule 808, not 810. < 1420528917 813562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, that rule won't apply. < 1420529827 790794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 810 the most common team game? Well, I prefer 808. < 1420530499 475104 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmm, now I'm no longer sure getting a non-creature aura without enchant is impossible in vanilla < 1420530513 640508 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to investigate whether it's possible < 1420530574 638214 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, as for rules questions, I'd recommend against efnet #mtgrules for these kinds of crazy theoretical rules questions. they're a fine channel for ordinary rules questions, about situations that can reasonably come up in games, but not really for these kinds of esoteric rules situations. < 1420530824 894636 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to set up a combo with Time Machine that lets you win all future games with the same opponent unless he pulls off a turn zero win? < 1420531072 504035 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm no, it isn't. The opponent could concede very early next game to break the loop. < 1420531580 159549 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1420531641 368398 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1420531664 658319 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@188.73.192.38 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1420531903 610533 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1420534392 194322 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1420534564 700233 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1420534779 714542 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :STM. Totally a stimulant drink drunk by neurons. http://lawcomic.net/guide/?p=3105 < 1420535301 155978 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1420536043 983959 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1420536151 894436 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my short term memory is literally a stimulant drink, especially at exam time < 1420536836 578020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal http://www.rutschle.net/tech/sslh.shtml < 1420536836 790102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1420536936 339653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1420537724 213592 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In windows 7, if I am moving a windows by dragging its title bar, and a new window is mapped to the desktop, that sometimes aborts the window move, but not always. What decides whether it aborts that? < 1420537731 502074 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1420537756 27707 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grabbing focus, perhaps < 1420537766 186732 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@87.228.105.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420537768 823387 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@87.228.105.48 QUIT :Changing host < 1420537768 866612 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1420537799 58281 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ah yes, that's possible < 1420538357 785214 :King2218!793636ab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.54.54.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420538365 108160 :King2218!793636ab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.54.54.171 PART :#esoteric < 1420539160 891373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :girl genius, WHY AREN'T YOU UPDATING < 1420540400 612721 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they're out of ideas for paper dolls? < 1420540457 46910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1420540480 829537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems unlikely since these dolls are based on an already existing side story < 1420540530 298901 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I did take that into account. I was trying to come up with a worst case scenario. < 1420540620 87340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they still need to get through gil, tarvek and possibly the jägers < 1420540660 30879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no, _certainly_ the jägers. < 1420540669 317941 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they needed to remind their kids of who their parents are < 1420540684 254853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes. i remember that. < 1420540688 458703 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there was this "who are you people" gag a while back..) < 1420540719 45966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know. < 1420540745 441593 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :'course you do. you tend to remember most of GG better than I :P < 1420540751 941335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1420540828 176060 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of want to do a Girl Genius cosplay < 1420540835 128540 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The issue is, how to make it recognizable? < 1420540843 607260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just reread most of the cinderella story, although that was because it was accidentally linked from an old forum comment in the yafgc forum (it turned out the story had a shoutout to them) that got bumped up. < 1420540857 895051 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Gamemanj 5* 10New user account < 1420540862 676860 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really have the figure to cosplay Agatha. The only thing I can think of is Gil in his Schmott Guy hat < 1420540899 538043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i recall seeing some cosplay of maxim on their blog (also that via an ancient link) < 1420540908 22115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1420540915 357096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the cosplayer's blog, i think < 1420540967 24402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the cosplayer was a girl < 1420540991 9431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maxim _is_ canonically a bishounen jäger < 1420540995 717899 :MoALTz__!~no@user-46-112-49-198.play-internet.pl NICK :MoALTz < 1420541054 477237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to remember what Taneb looks like again
< 1420541105 351683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1420541116 184079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there's a guy called Raif Taneb < 1420541121 349462 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I am just under six foot, skinny, brown hair, not short but by no means long, very noticeable eyebrows < 1420541149 298962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i don't really have the ability to connect looks and written desciptions < 1420541240 735011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_something_ tells me this guy isn't you https://www.youtube.com/user/nathanvdoorn :P < 1420541269 910350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(trying to find your esoprogramming video, your name/nick doesn't seem like the best search word) < 1420541350 193843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does "esolang" give all these russian hits < 1420541351 219741 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bekftEG3j4 < 1420541370 327872 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I forgot about that < 1420541377 966522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there < 1420541440 280064 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BytePusher14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41601&oldid=40700 5* 03Gamemanj 5* (+251) 10/* Announcements */ < 1420541503 794288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i found that too but with a different id < 1420541555 11831 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah, it was uploaded twice < 1420541575 430675 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :First to the person who filmed it's account, then copied to HackSoc's < 1420541740 178714 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Zeetha, too... < 1420541816 979000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm she wasn't in the part of the story i read < 1420541845 434373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait she was the godmother wasn't she < 1420541865 519017 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1420541894 285904 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :though maybe they'll skip her; she had only that one outfit, I'm afraid < 1420541895 232020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started at the point where the yafgc shoutout was, which was after that < 1420541997 163885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i was thinking about moloch von zinzer but then you need more beard < 1420542005 126362 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I can do more beard < 1420542613 315479 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: interesting, I had missed the fact that the science fair was another concentration of shoutouts. (I was aware of the one when Agatha enters Mechanicsburg) < 1420542672 457632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, i probably miss most shoutouts in general :P < 1420542729 679651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally i notice some, or notice something which just has to be a shoutout but i don't know to what < 1420542743 296553 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. it just means that I didn't read the texts carefully that time (it was just a side story after all...) < 1420542816 701984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know (of course not) that when i first saw the 3 jägers, i thought they were shoutouts to elfquest characters? < 1420542887 403268 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you find http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ShoutOut/GirlGenius ? < 1420542890 355209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought maxim looked vaguely like rayek, ognian vaguely like cutter and dimo vaguely like a troll < 1420542899 461583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1420543315 368707 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1420543464 274946 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1420543535 710107 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, the companion cube is hard to recognize... < 1420543563 696281 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20141024 ) < 1420543563 917686 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:5: error: expected: "!!", < 1420543564 57879 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "$", "$>", "&&", "&&&", "*", < 1420543564 101135 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "***", "+", "++", "+++", "-", < 1420543564 101266 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "->", ".", "/", "/=", ":+", < 1420543564 101341 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : ":-", "::", ":::", ":=", "<",14↵… < 1420543581 870033 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :idris-bot: I forgive you < 1420543685 11729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i regret suggesting the ( prefix < 1420543709 987264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but bots _shouldn't_ give multiline responses to unknown commands, anyway. < 1420543731 588133 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f x = x x in x x x x x < 1420543732 591529 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr < 1420543732 634776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr < 1420543732 634916 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr < 1420543734 385562 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be ) < 1420543742 405773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not an unknown command < 1420543744 293444 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\u -> u u) < 1420543745 306943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: t1 ~ t1 -> t < 1420543745 350151 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Relevant bindings include u :: t1 -> t (bound at :1:3) < 1420543764 90077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: there's already a ) < 1420543767 936717 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1420543770 45211 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(idris-bot doesn't trigger so easily) < 1420543772 156193 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :) as < 1420543798 779992 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I tend to put spaces around URLs to help copy&pasting.) < 1420543806 771886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: well the bot isn't actually _here_ any more. < 1420543811 564724 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK! < 1420543825 339230 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :% help < 1420543827 323875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: the _reason_ i suggested ( was to balance out that ) in fungot's prefix list < 1420543827 458343 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is just what makes sense < 1420543833 786876 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1420543837 761466 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1420543838 295884 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think it's fine. < 1420543851 899594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fnord < 1420543853 25964 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘fnord’ < 1420543860 114401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fob wfø wohiqw < 1420543861 187376 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘fob’ < 1420543861 231055 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant ‘T.for’ (imported from Data.Traversable)Not in scope: ‘wfø... < 1420543863 274781 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1420543864 578570 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats oerjan.
< 1420543877 793430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i guess lambdabot isn't entirely innocent. < 1420543891 772072 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PART :#esoteric < 1420543895 519558 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ''ø < 1420543895 562941 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1420543896 425580 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Syntax error on ''ø < 1420543896 533598 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you intended to use TemplateHaskell < 1420543956 373180 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ replicate 10 '\n' < 1420543957 386424 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated < 1420543995 287389 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ concat $ replicate 10 "Terminated\n" < 1420543996 410769 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated < 1420543996 473605 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated < 1420543996 516920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated < 1420544011 618786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ replicate 10 '\n' < 1420544012 784860 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated < 1420544019 509371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "\n" < 1420544020 686895 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated < 1420544024 266303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1420544055 793787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it strips final newlines, and only then decides whether there's no output < 1420544070 272897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "\n " < 1420544075 909248 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :smart! ;-) < 1420544085 553967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what. < 1420544098 364748 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ replicate 1024 '\n' ++ "a" < 1420544099 498389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated < 1420544104 819852 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ replicate 1023 '\n' ++ "a" < 1420544106 14875 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : a < 1420544117 819501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text " " < 1420544130 686519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i sense a bug < 1420544163 373282 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1420544172 981674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1420544175 215184 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I need to learn more Haskell. < 1420544179 282310 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not the 1024 thing anyway. < 1420544182 25009 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text " " < 1420544183 62531 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :  < 1420544199 301841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, step 1: strip newlines 2: decide whether it's empty so print Terminated. 3: strip whitespace 4: decide whether it's empty so print nothing < 1420544203 170971 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode   < 1420544203 820965 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+00A0 NO-BREAK SPACE] < 1420544212 125608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :VERY LOGICAL < 1420544216 9303 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode  < 1420544216 572580 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+00C2 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX] < 1420544219 31681 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking unicode < 1420544226 905304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tect " \n" < 1420544227 894019 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘tect’ < 1420544227 937457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant ‘text’ (imported from Text.PrettyPrint.HughesPJ) < 1420544231 777129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text " \n" < 1420544244 835689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text " \n \n " < 1420544271 145317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text " \n a \n " < 1420544272 221683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : a < 1420544272 264966 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1420544276 466450 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it's a feature ;-) < 1420544280 135916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1420544291 945107 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny though < 1420544831 63290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420546479 700219 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to my analysis, the best type of pokemon is fairy/steel < 1420546491 703250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :klefki, mega mawile < 1420546495 366655 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst is ice/rock < 1420546499 185260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of which are in fact widly used in various metagame < 1420546501 502873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*metagames < 1420546511 412565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, ice/rock is absolutely terrible except as a glass cannon setup < 1420546518 345311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not too bad wrt coverage, but it's somewhat redundant < 1420546533 577605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rock bottom < 1420546545 247463 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION battles an existential crisis
< 1420546554 843939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: you exist < 1420546556 550058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that help? < 1420546558 740872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw somewhere what is the worst single type in Pokemon Red they calculated by computer, the result is rocks. < 1420546574 484565 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i wrote a program to evaluate the type combos according to how many types are good against them < 1420546575 913531 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but what purpose in existing if you fail to provide function? < 1420546580 497297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that didn't help we'll just have to kill you instea < 1420546583 677923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+d < 1420546604 777620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: well if you don't know what your purpose is, you can make it your purpose to find out < 1420546638 870428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: it strikes me as odd that someone would a) be the type of person to do that, and yet b) include fairy (even dark and steel are a bit weird) < 1420546669 855745 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :???? < 1420546690 541063 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use ghost type in pokemon emerand < 1420546691 415321 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well everyone knows in the old games only psychic and dragon were worth fielding < 1420546699 111037 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love ghosts. < 1420546703 562378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: your ???? is lacking context, it would describe pretty much everything that happens in this channel < 1420546707 783749 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHaha < 1420546713 473434 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to beat platinum with an all ghost team. < 1420546715 596147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: not true < 1420546722 583886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the perfect team for Pokémon Red/Blue was solved quite a while ago < 1420546726 688162 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :platinum was wicked fucking hard. < 1420546732 277772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately I can't remember all of it offhand < 1420546748 279327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tauros, Chansey, Exeggcutor, um… < 1420546758 528370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either Rhydon or Golem, they're so close it makes no real difference < 1420546770 516209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because you absolutely have to have a zapdos counter or you just lose) < 1420546776 538469 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone i knew had 3 Alakazam, Mewtwo, Dragonite, Articuno < 1420546784 252950 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or womething like that < 1420546794 257114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this is normally assuming that mewtwo is banned and you can't use duplicates < 1420546806 556336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, the best team is probably either 6 mewtwo or 6 tauros, they're cloes < 1420546846 882953 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not duplicates? < 1420546860 779333 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :duplicates of non-legendray are easy toget < 1420546864 761973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a commonly enforced rule, partly because so many people assume it's a rule < 1420546872 857241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even 1 tauros is pretty hard to get, really, in RB < 1420546940 60450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the assumption is "if you can get anything you want…" < 1420546941 61640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1420546946 60302 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420546992 982043 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1420547027 247803 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When dark came, Alakazam was no longer a evil killing machine, i was sad... < 1420547049 56603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Alakazam might also be on the perfect team < 1420547068 301756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, mostly as the Pokémon that the opponent puts to sleep < 1420547077 707822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(another commonly enforced rule is that you can't put more than one opposing Pokémon to sleep) < 1420547169 969560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Alakazam has plenty of counters even in RB < 1420547181 7857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. it can't do anything to Chansey, who will paralyse it < 1420547187 493538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it'll die to everything < 1420547193 410682 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... that is pretty far from the way i played it in primary school... Alakazam was countered by Dargonite usually < 1420547221 965935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we've had well over 10 years to solve the game < 1420547291 731883 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true. the days of mewtwo -> dragonite -> articuno -> charizard are over < 1420547301 880362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :articuno is actually pretty bad < 1420547309 501493 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but kills dragonite < 1420547323 80811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, no, it's not that bad < 1420547326 49238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread the guide I'm using < 1420547341 500326 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there aren't that many ice pokemon in RBY anyway < 1420547372 390948 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see AGDQ? < 1420547379 350499 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reprogrammed pokemon < 1420547387 368154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: did you see the credits for that run? < 1420547404 268 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure, i was talking about the one yesterday < 1420547408 770010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so am I < 1420547413 864978 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess i missed it < 1420547417 355264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm partly responsible for it, is the point I was getting at < 1420547421 109497 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1420547424 633699 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done :D < 1420547428 641375 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was really stunning < 1420547431 265046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so while everyone else was really happy watching it < 1420547441 378094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was really nervous, hoping everything would work < 1420547454 852225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everything did work, but enough did that we were able to pull off something spectacular anyway < 1420547479 766503 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is this the tasbot? < 1420547481 972136 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i can imagine! < 1420547488 549847 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be very nerve-wracking < 1420547505 770424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1420547512 311434 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Musical notes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41602&oldid=41447 5* 03TomPN 5* (-98) 10/* Syntax */ < 1420547516 957285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420547517 998974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: so looking this up, articuno loses to starmie, which is the most common reason it isn't used much < 1420547528 6323 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should redo my program to take into acount typical stats of a type combo < 1420547568 19590 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how do you get involved in something like that? < 1420547583 994171 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :articuno also loses to Mewtwo though... some people used lapras instead < 1420547619 39584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: well dwangoAC organizes the TAS representation at AGDQ, and I've been working with him on another project for over a year now < 1420547650 895591 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: on a different note, after what zzo38 said, I'm now wondering about something in M:tG: < 1420547691 961781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely whether it's possible to get a situation where you have a non-creature aura without an "enchant" ability in play at a point when the game tries to determine what it can be legally enchanted to. < 1420547731 331358 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules don't seem quite clear what would happen if that occurred, but I don't know if it's possible in first place. < 1420547735 400812 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dimensions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41603&oldid=41448 5* 03TomPN 5* (-98) 10/* Loops */ < 1420547816 327383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all the existing "lose all abilities" effects only apply to creatures, but you might be able to find one with an until-end-of-turn duration < 1420547818 871819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, Turn < 1420547831 80984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think it's doable < 1420547909 668482 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Quantum Dimensions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41604&oldid=41449 5* 03TomPN 5* (-1) 10/* Quantum entanglement */ < 1420547931 54419 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. FPComplete is actually really cool. < 1420548065 412587 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, Turn! nice, I didn't think of that < 1420548096 736320 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RingCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41605&oldid=41428 5* 03TomPN 5* (-56) 10 < 1420548214 511842 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh "copy enchantment" is an interesting card, it's an enchantment without target (but a triggered ability.) In fact that card tickles the rules about targets in interesting ways - see the first ruling at http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=83807 < 1420548217 382531 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so how does that work? I animate the aura, cast Turn at it, then unanimate it, and its abilities remain lost until end of turn. < 1420548220 814169 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works < 1420548280 573301 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that strange state lasts long enough that I can even cast spells or try to reattach it with Simic Guildmage's ability < 1420548409 527658 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Uhm, "An Aura that's also a creature can't enchant anything. If this occurs somehow, the Aura becomes unattached, then is put into its owner's graveyard." (as a state-based effect) < 1420548442 952384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sure, but the question is what objects an aura without "enchant" can legally enchant, < 1420548457 341420 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1420548490 458834 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the rules basically say that the "enchant" ability determines what an aura can legally attach to, with the exception that if the aura is a creature it can't be attached to anything, and that an aura can never be attached to itself legally < 1420548491 343974 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules say that enchantments work on objects and players. < 1420548503 856845 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Enchant restricts that set. < 1420548504 619997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, object and player sorry < 1420548506 655133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to make it into a nonenchantment creature first < 1420548508 989974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then Turn it < 1420548512 44914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then undo the type changing < 1420548519 240303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, nonaura creature < 1420548522 773576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being an enchantment would be fine < 1420548533 443308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe it isn't possible < 1420548564 816481 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm... you have to make it non-aura temporarily? that might be easiest by rewriting it with a copy < 1420548573 658599 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm actually < 1420548579 941997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be an easier way: < 1420548595 997582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have a "target permanent becomes a copy of another target permanent until end of combat", though (or some duration that's shorter than a turn) < 1420548602 136495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "enchanted permanent is a copy of target permanent" < 1420548605 581551 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just manifest an aura, then Turn it, then use the special action from manifest to turn it up so it becomes an auura < 1420548621 921842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: doesn't work, manifest special action only works on creatures < 1420548626 636984 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1420548631 595268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cards that are creatures on the front, that is < 1420548639 562085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, at least < 1420548645 204716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, don't use the special ability < 1420548648 726021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use Break Open < 1420548663 307679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works on everything that's a creature on the back (i.e. everything), and not an instant or sorcery on the front < 1420548668 520866 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you overwrite a non-creature artifact enchantment with a copy somehow? < 1420548686 243515 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :break open, good idea < 1420548710 710489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I hope it's a special action like morph's < 1420548710 817981 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap, mewtwo still has monstrous stats < 1420548716 707757 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we won't know for sure until the setfaq comes out < 1420548739 87103 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me < 1420548765 801672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a special action, it says so in the mechanics preview article < 1420548771 769112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: have you seen mewtwoite x / mewtwoite y? < 1420548812 398102 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1420548834 689925 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only does the new mtg homepage no longer has an obvious link to a list of all set faqs; but also even though the pages of earlier sets link to their set FAQs, http://magic.wizards.com/en/game-info/products/card-set-archive/khans-of-tarkir doesn't link to a set faq. < 1420548855 186344 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the Khans of Tarkir set FAQ, I hope they haven't discontinued set FAQs < 1420548857 2851 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1420548870 719273 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it does link to the faq, just on a differnet place < 1420548871 353312 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew < 1420548911 1847 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to download that < 1420548929 550101 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(doesn't load, damn it) < 1420549106 498688 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, why the hell isn't there a game in Orange Islands? < 1420549221 860298 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's another way, without face down permanents. animate a Mizzium Transreqliquat, activate its ability to copy an artifact aura, and as a reaction, cast Turn to the Transreliquat. < 1420549259 928950 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but manifest, Turn, Break open is easier < 1420549264 900541 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: did you get this? < 1420549266 616160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the copy effect causes it to stop being a creature < 1420549287 283947 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nah, you can just make it no longer be a creature at instant speed < 1420549295 344825 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by destroying Animate Artifact < 1420549306 786188 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can animate and unanimate artifacts any time you like < 1420549314 686308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1420549320 831393 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, not quite, but any time you can cast spells < 1420549353 562595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't load the Khans of Tarkir set faq < 1420549367 39374 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess I'll have to try again in the evening, the wizards website sucks < 1420549478 690894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry if I interrupted the pokemon conversation < 1420549490 685906 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah this is more interesting < 1420549517 589490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dare you interrupt their off-topic conversation with another one < 1420549548 962266 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually the mtg one is somewhat on-topic because it's about obfu-uses of M:tG, not normal uses < 1420549554 306437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew can have multiple conversations at once < 1420549557 162357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1420549566 556863 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it counts as more on-topic than the pokemon one though < 1420549566 822170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'd claim http://esolangs.org/wiki/StackFlow is ontopic < 1420549582 919545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though writing that page required me to know about various obscure M:tG cards < 1420549661 213963 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should invent a tabletop game so complex it is possible to make the referees have to solve the halting problem < 1420549677 23272 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: M:tG is already like that < 1420549685 859024 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: because of its rules about infinite loops < 1420549694 232038 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those rules, sadly, are also underspecified < 1420549720 165475 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit i forgot about those... so they have to know whther the loop is infinite or not < 1420549726 470847 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can imagine specifying them completely in an ideal world, but they still have to require to solve the halting problem < 1420549749 997937 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: yes, and as the rest of M:tG is turing complete, those rules make the judges require to solve the halting problem in theory < 1420549772 114125 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice, you might not be able to set up an interesting enoguh situation without running out of time or some other implementation limit first < 1420549786 275022 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420549794 498433 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: StackFlow /literally/ solves the halting problem < 1420549796 384077 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case you may need a co-operating opponent < 1420549803 819469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1420549805 170149 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1420549811 792778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only remaining thing to do is to somehow set it up in a tournament < 1420549838 121539 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then grin and say "Problem, ref?" < 1420549842 242070 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you try that, they _might_ penalize you with an unsportsmanlike conduct or something < 1420549846 137352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might be able to do it in Vintage; Slaver Control is a real deck there, and one of its win conditions involves taking control of all your opponent's turns < 1420549854 239253 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/with/for/ < 1420549873 110422 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's easier to get a match with a co-operating opponent < 1420549876 408152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all you'd need to do in your own deck is one copy of Research//Development, plus a sideboard containing cards necessary to set the combo up < 1420549880 852806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not under sanctioned conditions < 1420549887 2880 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1420549892 160437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an alternative would be to set it up on Magic Online, get both players to pass the turn < 1420549896 603021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see what happens < 1420549915 13883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: because there's a rule against allowing anything other than normal Magic play to determine the winner of a game < 1420549919 171671 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, I think Magic Online has different rules for infinite loops < 1420549938 449408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it forces you to play all the turns out manually, and uses chess clocks to penalise you if you take too long < 1420549947 246517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, there's a "skip responses until end of turn" button < 1420549956 156064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the StackFlow construction is a chain of triggered abilities that trigger each other < 1420549961 165240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no player interaction involved, no choices either < 1420549961 726342 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1420549981 572438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even made sure to require that if two abilities triggered simultaneously, it was from different players < 1420550014 702622 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can it be set up with only two players? < 1420550026 952506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1420550029 234484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also made sure of that < 1420550075 391338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately it requires setting up a few hundred creature and enchantment tokens and using various cards to rewrite their rules texts < 1420550314 9864 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the time limit for an entire mtgo game? < 1420550316 46629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might be hard to do within the mtgo time limit, even though the cards are probably not too hard to get hold of < 1420550319 385005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 50 minutes per player < 1420550320 39705 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it about a week? or much less? < 1420550328 170277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1420550353 11282 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 minutes per player? hmm < 1420550375 661355 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to get more time than that somehow? < 1420550382 676267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I don't play mtgo < 1420550485 334954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtgo v10 < 1420550486 960624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtgox < 1420550916 566931 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"magic the gathering online exchange" < 1420550964 862092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it was never actually used for mtg, though < 1420551284 441849 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Crewjony14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41606&oldid=41597 5* 03Crewjony 5* (+36) 10 < 1420551401 299009 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/StackFlow#Syntax - special keywords followed by a colon, and then entry lines starting with an asterisk? that's not markdown, that's emacs-info based. < 1420551489 442565 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not quite, because the emacs-info format also needs an asterisk heading for the special keyword commands. < 1420551495 90010 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1420552839 199767 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw JOIN :#esoteric < 1420552879 322198 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw NICK :Solace|skool < 1420553366 995701 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@188.73.192.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420553372 943632 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat < 1420553695 935414 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic. < 1420553864 172274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that URL is mindblowing < 1420553867 642966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't dared to actually click it < 1420554167 447651 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1420554167 730081 :reynir!~reynir@unaffiliated/reynir QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1420554375 729590 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoyed https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/the-birth-and-death-of-javascript more < 1420554535 113318 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^botlist < 1420554600 875983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1420554601 235581 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1420554605 262818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what you were looking for? < 1420554633 977397 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I was looking for the list that fungot ignores (is there such a list?) < 1420554634 121900 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: at installs it automagically on any box. so far i've not found that with the usual colors. < 1420554658 662465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you'd have to ask fizzie about that < 1420554926 141717 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there huffman-based compressed formats where the bits that you have to be conditional on for decoding because they determine the lengths are in separate streams from the bits that you don't have to be conditional on? < 1420555004 83722 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if perhaps such a format could be faster to decode than a traditional huffman-based format like deflate/zip/png or jpeg < 1420555066 82183 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1420555072 268155 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pt sucks for font sizes < 1420555073 895700 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's for sure < 1420555153 587752 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like this might already exist of course < 1420555652 538442 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@188.73.192.38 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1420555685 447344 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@188.73.192.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420555821 153035 :reynir!~reynir@reynir.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1420555824 504608 :reynir!~reynir@reynir.dk NICK :Guest74803 < 1420556013 351489 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1420556194 313426 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1420556512 713635 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420556873 383258 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1420557049 390505 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lwwyyspqkdmfkpfh JOIN :#esoteric < 1420557081 978685 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1420557118 412594 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1420557668 343916 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although vh sucks for huge monitors < 1420557669 874104 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow. < 1420557671 892091 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but oh well. < 1420557706 895368 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@188.73.192.38 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420557737 282299 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@188.73.192.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420558078 394905 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking css < 1420558089 943991 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there no relative to 1% of the viewport IN CENTIMETERS < 1420558092 441543 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not fucking pixels < 1420558124 783716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: does calc() do what you want? < 1420558138 527786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was considering writing a generator to work out the perfect series of nested divs to do that sort of calculation < 1420558145 329443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the browser manufacturers added it to CSS isntead < 1420558147 703063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*instead < 1420558320 625957 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm trying to figure out a way to calculate the font-size I need to make it readable on small screens (smartphones) as well as screens such as 24" TFTs < 1420558335 333589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ugh < 1420558340 89571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure there's an easy way to do that < 1420558342 614016 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is < 1420558347 787534 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do stuff like 2vw < 1420558352 480824 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is 2% of the viewport width < 1420558361 49147 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is still too small on smartphones < 1420558373 361652 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a little bit too big for 24" TFTs with HD resolution < 1420558385 871109 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: just set it to the default font size? < 1420558398 192304 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1420558418 641085 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a multiply of that < 1420558450 637918 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default font-size on android is apparentely ridiciously small < 1420558450 886111 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! they added "rem", font size of the root element < 1420558452 681280 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :convenient < 1420558466 706085 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wnated that, but all css used to have was the font size of the parent element < 1420558490 476131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1420558491 50293 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1420558494 555756 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's < 1420558497 822991 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparentely < 1420558501 52325 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try that one < 1420558526 90620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that most weird-screen-sized browsers are good at zooming < 1420558533 586240 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1420558533 669979 :myndzi!myndzi@198.58.96.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | < 1420558533 740218 :myndzi!myndzi@198.58.96.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/| < 1420558537 427276 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1420558548 841905 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric : works like a charm. < 1420558555 556389 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1420558636 367692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a calc(...) value which lets you put an expression using add, subtract, multiply, division, but no min or max operators? that's crazy < 1420558662 214094 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sad. < 1420558740 147777 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's separate min-width and max-width properties I think < 1420558813 315568 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: sure, but calc is for more complicated expressions < 1420558817 337599 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this? < 1420558822 227193 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace|skool: CSS < 1420558829 148454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-values/#calc-notation < 1420558832 571598 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guessed < 1420558837 919046 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/new/page.html < 1420558855 861392 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it looks decent in my 24" TFT and on my smartphone < 1420558901 8691 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I'm a fan of simple designs with not too much stuff around < 1420558947 710560 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is some code really long weird line < 1420558971 157788 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it supposed to have a green shading behind it < 1420558990 750883 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1420559052 182025 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :How'd you Do that < 1420559243 958352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420559266 23987 :callforjudgement!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420559266 94249 :callforjudgement!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1420559266 137542 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420559308 623617 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace|skool: with background-color? < 1420559336 914777 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1420559350 772271 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I can do is colour text < 1420559512 647252 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what was that spit screen thing again < 1420559639 196569 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright. I'm quite happy with that now. < 1420559649 145847 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have the design. Now I need some ideas for content. < 1420559673 985227 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It may be supposed to replace http://mroman.ch/) < 1420559810 815435 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got my own homepage at it even says "Hi". < 1420559814 634943 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1420559821 153700 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got my own homepage and it even says "Hi". < 1420560032 157007 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Tadeboro 5* 10New user account < 1420560059 365079 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1420560096 173242 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay new person < 1420560108 140585 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you are all pink < 1420560119 480079 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? < 1420560133 504486 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is very bright I must edit the colours < 1420560179 585937 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1420560890 182655 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1420560925 209483 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420560935 252662 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-49-198.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1420561166 609317 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ▯ < 1420561167 145942 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+25AF WHITE VERTICAL RECTANGLE] < 1420561246 819014 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I think that didn't work as intended < 1420561282 895801 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Eodermdrome14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41607&oldid=35375 5* 03Tadeboro 5* (+79) 10Change implementation section: add first implementation. < 1420561288 874772 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1420561323 355228 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1420561359 154575 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+25AF TOWER OF IMPERIALISM < 1420561467 483638 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone impled eodermdrome? < 1420561492 407634 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"capable of executing a couple of commands per second" < 1420561496 638466 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds pretty eodermdrome to me < 1420561588 441732 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Eodermdrome14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41608&oldid=41607 5* 03Ais523 5* (+6) 10fix cats; copyedit < 1420561673 775160 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm done with that language < 1420561696 503548 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is now implemented? < 1420561966 163465 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1420562175 145396 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1420562436 99419 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That guy must have a really slow computer, as my brute force interpreter does hundreds of substitutions per second < 1420562605 318970 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1420562655 826698 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :byr < 1420562659 323937 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye* < 1420562954 774712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.38.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420562968 842727 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.38.241 QUIT :Changing host < 1420562968 886050 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1420563085 933530 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, 2 out of 2 extant interpreters don't implement the punctuated-whitespace syntax hth < 1420563108 990384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, is the language going to get Underloaded again? < 1420563191 297190 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Underloading < 1420563334 179561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a language has some minor syntactical restriction that interpreter after interpreter forgets to implement < 1420563346 773550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until eventually it gets removed from the definition of the language due to weight of interpreter opinion < 1420563446 601664 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that's older than underload < 1420563518 237706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1420563523 464778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload may be the most prominent case though? < 1420563631 720562 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ template export...... < 1420563752 265895 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1420563858 687543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ isn't an esolang :-( < 1420563865 608581 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1420563871 883451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, C++ has so many relevant features that saying "C++ed" would be ambiguous < 1420563883 383436 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :design by committee? < 1420563896 81463 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true; most esolangs aren't < 1420563901 521444 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps they should be < 1420563929 485563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well The Project That Shall Not Be Abbreviated As ABCDEF was a miserable failure < 1420563998 9577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do F# repls exist? < 1420564011 897809 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I much prefer ABCDEF... G < 1420564027 92283 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1420564355 540632 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : where a language has some minor syntactical restriction that interpreter after interpreter forgets to implement < 1420564357 911656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was this < 1420564379 167638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most recently, any-punctuation-cancels-whitespace in Eodermdrome < 1420564384 226025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :previously, " in Underload < 1420564473 809651 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also [] in Underload? < 1420564494 701939 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did underload even reserve []<> < 1420564517 857356 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get to the other side? no wait. for future use? < 1420564523 230448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally, for Overload compatibility, then I realised reserved characters would make writing interps in underpowered languages easier < 1420564523 862538 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :42? < 1420564670 544386 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :self < 1420564781 508537 :self!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1420565047 627405 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :sighin < 1420565150 932709 :sighin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :Their < 1420565253 337350 :S1!~S1@pD9FCA286.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1420565267 723206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1420565323 673795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 42 like a really really old version of 2014? < 1420565395 770348 :Their!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1420565425 608967 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :Guest94935 < 1420565433 48130 :Guest94935!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhout < 1420565451 622091 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1420565644 273854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Welcome to Try F#! Your system does not support the execution of F# code in the browser. < 1420565651 3706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried Firefox and Chromium < 1420565682 662058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try with user agent set to IE11 < 1420565686 710652 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need the Silverlight plugin. < 1420565695 248833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1420565696 266587 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT doesn't tell you this, for some reason. < 1420565712 450325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be very awkward, seeing as silverlight's been discontinued < 1420565713 901216 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a problem in Chrome and Opera both just loading the bar and then nothing happening. < 1420565731 667009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I want to do is typecheck one term < 1420565743 634853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a term that has previously been mentioned in #esoteric) < 1420565746 844222 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideone has F# < 1420565817 33129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1420565821 278563 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420565826 203350 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ideone.com/a2jtJ6 < 1420565845 692157 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, thanks < 1420565855 632316 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was busy using a search engine to determine the appropriate TLD < 1420565866 851207 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No REPL or fancy Intellisense completion, but it does in a pinch. < 1420565917 555587 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1420565924 148356 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's hope it prints the type of a term if I just enter it directly < 1420565967 930689 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"standard output is empty" < 1420565970 222986 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really very useful < 1420565979 434462 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sure way to get its type is to make a typo < 1420565993 598596 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ofc < 1420565997 107575 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get it from the error message < 1420565998 693036 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, better < 1420566003 570091 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to add an int to it < 1420566053 537616 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, I'm still getting "success" < 1420566102 212383 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"error FS0002: This function takes too many arguments, or is used in a context where a function is not expected" < 1420566107 775235 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on < 1420566115 974379 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are Microsoft's error messages really that bad? < 1420566149 615883 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@188.73.192.38 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1420566193 643613 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@188.73.192.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420566224 567298 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They aren't the best, no. < 1420566244 927057 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's frustrating me mroe is that MS apparently doesn't believe that F# should be used to actually write an application. < 1420566265 28589 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420566275 636674 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420566329 731462 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1420566329 877774 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1420566382 60167 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get it to show types sometimes < 1420566383 823507 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only simple ones < 1420566412 612301 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1420566465 753775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it < 1420566479 885930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick was to add an int that was specifically typecast to int to the function < 1420566590 302410 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's unfortunate, and hopefully something that the open source team can start expanding on. As an MS project, F# is basically expected to be a library language for writing algorithms. Their answer to the state problem is 'fuck it, write that part in C#' mostly. < 1420566627 720200 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a bummer, and also useless, because the whole reason I wanted to learn F# was to be able to make Windows apps in a functional language. < 1420566854 569086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, adding newlines to this actually changes the meaning of the code < 1420566871 706183 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1420566886 13828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a "continue onto next line" operator? < 1420566900 360274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries backslash-newline
< 1420566903 960992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1420566908 896018 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let in particular is whitespace sensitive: let = on single line is an assignment, let = followed by newline and indent is a function. < 1420566919 151268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1420566922 576646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it isn't that < 1420566923 283491 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you trying to do? < 1420566960 152888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's my code: < 1420566968 55891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fun m -> fun n -> (fun f -> f(m)(f(n)(fun z -> z)))(fun x -> (fun y -> y))) + (4:int) < 1420566998 37337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is intended for my PhD thesis as an illustration that most practical type algorithms don't do rank-2 type inference < 1420567021 500227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, is your PhD thesis about rank-2 type inference? < 1420567021 609586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so I want to try it on a range of practical type inference algorithms to demonstrate that they give it the "wrong" type < 1420567028 736632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: indirectly < 1420567037 118257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about contraction < 1420567039 152053 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1420567047 598072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. "the act of using the same lambda binding more than once" < 1420567048 119036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :People say that rank-2 types are inferrable but I'm not really sure what they mean. < 1420567093 905737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they mean that an algorithm exists which, given a program, will work out whether it is possible to place rank-2 type annotations at appropriate points in the program so that that program types correctly < 1420567103 48264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and also tell you where to put them) < 1420567113 92543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and what they are) < 1420567114 639739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no "most general type", though, right? < 1420567129 606348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same issue as inferring existentials, I guess (or a very similar one). < 1420567137 908344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inferring existentials also comes up :-) < 1420567142 918852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can give (\x -> x x) a rank-2 type but I don't know that you want to. < 1420567159 604371 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://pastebin.com/X21YdG0q < 1420567162 231249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, there isn't a requirement for the type inference algo to be compositional < 1420567181 988974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: that's exactly what I get from ideone < 1420567185 551985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current issue is more mundane < 1420567198 411687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the function, as written, is sufficiently long that at the font size I'm forced to use < 1420567201 741768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't fit on the page < 1420567212 717193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you can make it type-check with *some* type" doesn't seem all that useful. < 1420567214 158524 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh. Hmm. < 1420567239 112803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll read your thesis when it comes out. < 1420567256 853844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's useful in that you can just write your whole program < 1420567264 929847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the types will sort themselves out for you < 1420567275 165521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I'm not sure if rank-2 inference is actually enough in this case, it's an open problem < 1420567315 228899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rank-2 inference is sufficient to make the premises of my existing proof that something is badly broken not hold < 1420567326 189877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly I've been getting around the problem with intersection typing though < 1420567351 529070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that for the types to sort themselves out for you, you need to infer the right rank-2 types. But maybe I'm not thinking that through. < 1420567366 841893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that only happens if you run inference on a bit of the program at the time < 1420567376 885743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it infers the right type for your program, but it needs information on what the program is to do that < 1420567396 793176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is the general definition of a non-compositional algorithm, incidentally) < 1420567402 963489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, I think it's non-compositional < 1420567410 406064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1420567419 793807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to me that the whole point of types is to be compositional. < 1420567435 408351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the way I think about it, is there's two layers < 1420567437 252987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe they have other points too. < 1420567441 365771 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It seems you can safely newline after the -> if you follow that with a tab (4 spaces). < 1420567453 30763 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it doesn't complain in VS2013. < 1420567468 778653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your actual syntax is compositional, the process of working out what to put in the syntax doesn't have to be < 1420567527 684995 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : error FS0030: Value restriction. The value 'it' has been inferred to have generic type < 1420567529 198666 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : val it : (int -> '_a -> '_a) < 1420567530 707136 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either make the arguments to 'it' explicit or, if you do not intend for it to be generic, add a type annotation. < 1420567543 555864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Are existentials also inferrable in the same context? < 1420567550 79018 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-32-11.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1420567567 456810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely remember talking with dolio or someone about this but I don't remember the details of the conversation. < 1420567578 233229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in my special context, yes, but it's a very unusual situation < 1420567606 396487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually what I did was to put enough restrictions on the language that existentials and universals were equivalent, in the one special case where I needed existentials < 1420567614 824264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which clearly doesn't work in general < 1420567758 844944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything that does whole-program inference? < 1420567863 514551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like a reasonable thing to do when compositional inference doesn't work < 1420567872 592129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my research compiler does whole-program inference of SCC < 1420567887 586235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of a compositional algo for that, there might be one though < 1420567892 282438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but is there anything you know that does it? < 1420567894 655986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCC? < 1420567946 187659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strongly connected components? < 1420568174 707724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntactic control of concurrency < 1420568191 930215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, trying to get clojure to give me a useful type error is harder, so far I haven't figured out whether it's statically or dynamically typed < 1420568239 620831 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1420568317 460426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, dynamically typed < 1420568320 593730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't even do type inference < 1420568325 327163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next! < 1420568412 860385 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Statically typed Lisp would be an anomaly. < 1420568424 919892 :S1!~S1@pD9FCA286.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1420568431 125763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well I tried to work out statically typed Underload once < 1420568443 608948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it needs at least rank 2 types to work, though, probably more < 1420568447 816643 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said an anomaly, not an impossibility. < 1420568477 436619 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, all languages are statically typed if you define "type" to be a sufficiently-useless concept :) < 1420568511 49031 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is one type. That type is called 'thing'. All values are of type 'thing'. This is statically guaranteed. < 1420568549 828885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I actually define untyped lambda calculus like that in my thesis (only I called the type 'func') < 1420568569 751543 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delightful! < 1420568610 108887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and apparently Scala doesn't do type inference < 1420568622 990127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a function, you have to write the types on manually < 1420568671 113845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, based on my research so far, it seems like Haskell and OCaml really are the only really viable languages for highly functional programming atm < 1420568694 538195 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idris :P < 1420568709 79206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's pretty standard, isn't it? < 1420568709 526792 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scala is considered viable by many < 1420568712 941578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I actually have a requirement that the language isn't dependently-typed < 1420568723 202035 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends what you mean by "highly functional" though < 1420568729 565705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: not doing type inference at all is something of a dealbreaker for me < 1420568731 170992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole T ~ T -> T CCC thing < 1420568744 373357 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that joke CS journal? It had SHA jokes in it among other more interesting things < 1420568784 858716 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and you're requiring statically typed as well? < 1420568799 403378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here. have a term I have actualy used for a serious purpose: λ q.(λ g.g(λ x.g(qx)))(λ b.(λ k.((k(λ u.u))(λ l.((kb)(λ m.(l(m( skip ))))))))(λ v.λ w.wv)) < 1420568800 329183 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1420568800 741084 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't agree that you can't do "highly functional" code in a dynamically-typed language < 1420568838 856387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well the very general field of my research is "get a compiler's to catch «error» at compiletime" < 1420568847 440571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamically-typed languages are very bad at that < 1420568851 933538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*get a compiler < 1420568861 81761 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, fair < 1420568905 840408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the error in question for my thesis is "write a program that potentially requires infinite amounts of memory to execute" < 1420568906 817031 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who picked \lvert and \rvert as macro names in tech < 1420568912 393693 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing absolute values is tedious < 1420568935 642259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. I'm trying to statically enforce that programs use only finite amounts of memory < 1420568957 150739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which in turn means that they can be statically compared, for reasons #esoteric should be well aware of) < 1420568971 678812 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1420569007 962633 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels like it's related in some way to corecursion. is it? or am I just imagining things? < 1420569008 84112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the motivating reason for /that/ is so that they can be compiled to hardware in a way that uses static memory allocation < 1420569017 883871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bringing the memory to the program, rather than the other way round < 1420569022 32120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what corecursion is < 1420569047 235206 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420569095 125368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: oh, I should probably cite you for help with the syntax < 1420569104 768477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a name you can be cited under? < 1420569112 979009 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. :D Sure. I'm John Berry. < 1420569195 369839 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: recursion works by breaking down to base cases, corecursion works by building up from them < 1420569203 695019 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1420569216 489113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ah right, sort-of like forward chaining in Prolog < 1420569321 157748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric now has two citations in my thesis :-) < 1420569375 294295 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1420569414 488190 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://atreus.technomancy.us/firmware < 1420569475 102688 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1420569827 289153 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-49-198.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1420569929 880954 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1420570682 252421 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420570901 104691 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Iexp14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41609 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+4519) 10Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Iexp |paradigms=[[:Category:Declarative paradigm|declarative]] |author=[[User:GermanyBoy]] |year=[[:Category:2015|2015]] |dimensions=one-dimensional |..." < 1420570970 9885 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:GermanyBoy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41610&oldid=40362 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+68) 10iexp < 1420570975 186774 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it's fine to cite irc channes? < 1420571003 927503 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Iexp14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41611&oldid=41609 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+24) 10output only < 1420571023 59271 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This IRC is logged, so it should help. < 1420571117 245247 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to do that, to! < 1420571183 624816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: was citing individual people within it < 1420571411 464098 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1420571658 134157 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1420571884 261969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: J_Arcane has mentioned ideone, but http://rextester.com/runcode also has F#. rextester generally seems to have a better interface, but here you might care more about what compiler or libraries it uses to compile rather than its web interface. < 1420571897 448695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just used the first one that worked < 1420571943 183537 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"are Microsoft's error messages really that bad?" -- yes, they are terrible, at least in their C++ compiler < 1420572137 948426 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I got so quickly used to F# errors being unintelligible that on one account while writing resume.fsx I actually completely missed a missing function argument because I was so used to that error being wrong that the idea it was actually telling me the problem never occured to me. < 1420572257 991783 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hi < 1420572390 173979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1420572418 998280 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420572504 197331 :Gregor``!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1420572508 52307 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1420572511 268965 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I ais523 about M:tG and he figured quickly that even in vanilla you can get a state where there's a non-creature aura without an "enchant" ability < 1420572511 624047 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for long enough to matter) < 1420572577 791360 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the easiest way is to manifest an aura, then cast Turn on it, then cast Break Open on it. < 1420572590 12113 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a way to do it with older sets only, but it's more complicated. < 1420572605 628937 :Gregor``!dlopen@libdl.so NICK :Gregor < 1420572686 197411 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-hmm. Pondering slumming it in some Javascript for a bit, and it strikes me there's an interesting philosophical dilemma in targeting JS for a port of my resume generator. < 1420572762 807375 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: what? < 1420572793 735149 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY 'resume' is a simple script that generates itself from some text data files. < 1420572828 395284 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current versions so far do so by outputting to Markdown, but that seems like a needless intermediary step with .js. < 1420573455 373118 :callforjudgement!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420573456 665083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1420573470 100398 :callforjudgement!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1420573470 143951 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420574490 547298 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1420574877 474481 :arjanb!8259a9cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.169.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420575286 813613 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-32-11.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1420575790 588445 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wheee. http://rextester.com/CLX22519 < 1420575987 313263 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420575992 277355 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420576032 920586 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1420576229 731675 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: What is the way with older cards? < 1420576391 346545 :Guest74803!~reynir@reynir.dk NICK :reynir < 1420576420 368996 :reynir!~reynir@reynir.dk QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1 < 1420576445 233474 :reynir!~reynir@reynir.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1420576474 581809 :reynir!~reynir@reynir.dk NICK :Guest80782 < 1420576664 401810 :Guest80782!~reynir@reynir.dk QUIT :Client Quit < 1420576679 929038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1420576681 277359 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420576690 270224 :reynir1!~reynir@reynir.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1420576791 725558 :reynir1!~reynir@reynir.dk QUIT :Changing host < 1420576791 768936 :reynir1!~reynir@unaffiliated/reynir JOIN :#esoteric < 1420576985 69257 :reynir1!~reynir@unaffiliated/reynir NICK :reynir < 1420577012 45760 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1420577027 31548 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420577049 408650 :reynir!~reynir@unaffiliated/reynir QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1 < 1420577090 237946 :reynir!~reynir@reynir.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1420577098 744911 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: we found only a very complicated way, there's probably a simpler one. let me check the backscroll. < 1420577099 628468 :reynir!~reynir@reynir.dk NICK :Guest2221 < 1420577124 346303 :Guest2221!~reynir@reynir.dk QUIT :Changing host < 1420577124 389532 :Guest2221!~reynir@unaffiliated/reynir JOIN :#esoteric < 1420577136 474549 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Animate a Mizzium Transreqliquat, activate its ability to copy an artifact aura, and as a reaction, cast Turn to the Transreliquat. < 1420577170 841609 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's really inefficient, it needs like ten different cards to pull it off. < 1420577182 242498 :Guest2221!~reynir@unaffiliated/reynir NICK :reynir < 1420577224 278035 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1420577294 681227 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need a card to make an artifact aura, such as Mycosynth Lattice or Liquimetal Coating < 1420577324 772900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's not _that_ bad, only like five cards besides basic lands < 1420577327 378251 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was worse < 1420577373 208396 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that still uses Turn, which is quite recent (it went out last rotation) < 1420577422 129629 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, six cards < 1420577437 441081 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to Shatter the Animate Artifact before the Transreliquat's ability resolves < 1420577457 167220 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: oh... yeah, that makes sense, it's a fuse card < 1420577465 410408 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to do it without Turn? < 1420577480 649899 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is < 1420577490 554125 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1420577529 890623 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use a Humble with Teferi, Mage of Z < 1420577533 634279 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of Turn < 1420577547 338492 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1420577552 406477 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just Humble < 1420577554 149504 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an instant < 1420577575 169185 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so Turn doesn't even really help < 1420577641 625800 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1420577714 843006 :augur_!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1420577834 294569 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1420578203 232952 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means the newest card in this is Mizzium Transreliquat, from Guildpact < 1420578410 169862 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420578421 735121 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420578653 13540 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1420578892 963808 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1420579421 337067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked in other IRC and got conflicting answers about what exactly is "the point the creature is declared as an attacker"; declaring an attacker doesn't seem to be a single point though. < 1420579430 835655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example: If I have Blood Pet, War Tax, Sightless Brawler, and Guardians of Akrasa, and then I activate War Tax, declare an attack with Blood Pet and Sightless Brawler, and pay for the cost imposed by War Tax by sacrificing Blood Pet, what happens? < 1420579489 700674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do *you* know??? Is this a mistake made by whoever wrote the rules? < 1420579542 950668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: uh, I'm not up for that now, sorry. scarf? < 1420579550 824503 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1420579556 896211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's the start of the declare attackers phase < 1420579644 227012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK, so as soon as 508 begins. < 1420579655 647362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you learn these things? < 1420579687 142467 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ais reads way more rules and judge material than I'd ever done < 1420579712 661687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420579726 124543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420579936 65797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It seems to me from the rules that you declare attackers in 508.1a, and then check all the conditions at once in 508.1c. < 1420579993 112125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you've declared two creatures as attacking, and then sacrificed one to pay a cost. < 1420580075 360570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 508.1c is for restrictions, not triggers. There are then requirements at 508.1d, and costs at 508.1g. It looks to me like you are in the process of declaring. < 1420580103 599923 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420580164 462065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, 508.1g isn't part of 508.1c. < 1420581922 783400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1420581935 87923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420581950 211925 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420582225 702665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether or not it is doesn't seem relevant to answer my question. < 1420582377 297023 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@188.73.192.38 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1420582412 353567 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@188.73.192.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420582819 895989 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@188.73.192.38 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1420582844 495843 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@188.73.192.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420583072 88368 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1420584044 236025 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1420584489 242204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :From my variant planeswalkers rules it suggest to me a new kind of keyword ability called "planestrample", which actually can sometimes be used even if there are no planeswalker cards. < 1420584994 224273 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1420585018 57170 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1420585386 597146 :the_astrologer!~user@184-88-39-9.res.bhn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420585465 196030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome the_astrologer < 1420585466 502688 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09the_astrologer: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06irc.dal.net.) < 1420585530 902078 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what would that ability do? trample extra combat damage over a planeswalker to its controller player? < 1420585600 259377 :the_astrologer!~user@184-88-39-9.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks elliott, HackEgo < 1420585678 184611 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nlfnjqqveghxcols JOIN :#esoteric < 1420585801 733455 :the_astrologer!~user@184-88-39-9.res.bhn.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1420585857 603490 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what is the most boring number? < 1420585857 722737 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: why a waste? < 1420585898 697812 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: isn't being the most boring number kinda interesting? < 1420585934 17372 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. I think that's the proof that no number can be boring. Read somewhere. < 1420585946 377917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Kind of < 1420585973 909211 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nlfnjqqveghxcols PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 < 1420585984 406999 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nlfnjqqveghxcols NICK :Solace < 1420586043 331866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1420586059 180393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if a "planeswalkers are players" variant then it means: If this would deal damage (even if it isn't combat damage) to a player that would exceed his life total, the remaining damage is redirected to that player's controller. (Usually a player controls himself, so there is no effect.) < 1420586255 651311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The variant planeswalkers rule does what you said with combat damage, but also works if a player is being controlled due to Mindslaver or whatever.) < 1420586456 414919 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1420586456 759627 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1420586456 847915 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1420586457 839624 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1420586457 983644 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1420586458 259136 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.118 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1420586458 423778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1420586458 705324 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1420586458 983044 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :*.net *.split < 1420586459 263505 :weissschloss!~viskestel@li607-220.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1420586459 534304 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1420586459 657510 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1420586459 700858 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1420586468 311708 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420586473 754044 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1420586490 6713 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420586532 37899 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1420586550 208145 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric < 1420586578 371912 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420586578 415275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1420586578 415376 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1420586578 415433 :weissschloss!~viskestel@li607-220.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1420586578 415488 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420586578 415542 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1420586578 415596 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420586601 148166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid slow netjoins < 1420586668 12875 :weissschloss!~viskestel@li607-220.members.linode.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1420586671 555875 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you're all back. That was exciting. < 1420586687 884578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think one is missing? < 1420586720 719762 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you possibly tell? < 1420586730 797435 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ehxbecernlsuccde QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1420586758 226852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti hasn't rejoined < 1420586761 319844 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lwwyyspqkdmfkpfh QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1420586788 882814 :relrod_!~relrod@redhat/relrod JOIN :#esoteric < 1420586792 15960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: irssi tells me how many left (although it left out 3 names) and how many rejoined < 1420586797 866515 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, maybe nortii quit just after the netsplit < 1420586807 116014 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1420586813 91050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although the latter got split up over 6 lines) < 1420586825 907904 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1420586832 355836 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hurrah! < 1420586837 155033 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fzfsrmpclxhiokdd JOIN :#esoteric < 1420586864 552337 :weissschloss!~viskestel@li607-220.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1420586881 688763 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fsaftbtkldmypwvt JOIN :#esoteric < 1420586895 433936 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1420586999 962912 :relrod_!~relrod@redhat/relrod NICK :relrod < 1420587025 252305 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1420587234 440748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523, I was looking for the list that fungot ignores (is there such a list?) <-- iirc the command is ^ignore but it only responds to fizzie, even when just querying the list < 1420587234 522726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ignore < 1420587234 581932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did consider allowing the latter but that would obviously require rewriting fungot code... < 1420587234 862348 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: then d has matured since i last used arj. with lynx that is: < 1420587234 905904 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so the hash function can, for instance, when the whim ( anger?) explodes, that has the confirmed rules of competition... < 1420587236 932234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm fizzie's server isn't responding to /whois < 1420587268 740275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there, someone is lagged < 1420587276 563846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1420587276 607059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1420587305 608013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably fizzie and fungot then < 1420587305 680006 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you respecting the ctl-v ctl-x ctl-c tradition? this is the < 1420587309 823225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh or no one < 1420587338 790809 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1420587340 492077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i use ctrl-c and ctrl-v, but rarely ctrl-x < 1420587340 628127 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: non-recursive let has always seemed a little fnord up, ashanks!! < 1420587368 272207 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how will my exam tomorrow go? < 1420587368 488560 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://tools.ietf.org/ rfc/ fnord and the heap is about to use scanf in c++ code, not the cd :p. < 1420587425 504687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: iirc Taneb is studying math so that seems somewhat irrelevant < 1420587425 586895 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a b c < 1420587435 559883 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'm doing maths and computer science < 1420587439 230715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1420587443 606699 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomorrow's exam is for vision and graphics, though < 1420587517 864075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck then < 1420587545 37077 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, someone caused a botloop in another channel by having a webpage whose title made one bot evaluate a brainfuck program which printed the url of page, which another bot < 1420587549 653078 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :printed the title of < 1420587604 3263 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://runciman.hacksoc.org/~lordaro/bf.html < 1420587614 148535 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He spent all day working on it < 1420587696 575514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm didn't there use to be a url title bot here < 1420587711 101812 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so? < 1420587731 372469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it was in #haskell way back when i was there < 1420587753 404471 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is one in #haskell < 1420587760 532106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot used to do it < 1420587763 569555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1420587845 144637 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think tomorrow's exam is an exercise in making sure you actually go to the goddamn lectures in future < 1420587904 77701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1420587978 27193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : note that most weird-screen-sized browsers are good at zooming <-- i have seen blogs which manage to make the width of the main text area _smaller_ when i zoom :( < 1420588020 376000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on my laptop with IE) < 1420588046 137308 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why the fuck some mobile sites actually forbid me to zoom < 1420588150 588018 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, space carving looks interesting < 1420588178 292265 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :seam carving*? (or something unrelated?) < 1420588181 513518 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, if I could have been bothered with this module, I'd have really enjoyed it < 1420588198 163220 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, it's a way to construct a 3D model from some images < 1420588205 37300 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, something unrelated then < 1420588212 863914 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds interesting < 1420588214 678253 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1420588232 747734 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm really annoyed at myself for not going to these lectures :( < 1420588267 1761 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420588291 973577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any browsers have some concept of "this site is broken; allow me to overrule specific broken features of it?" < 1420588321 565511 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc Opera did? It's been a while since I've used it, though < 1420588364 92612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1420588607 893745 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I remember for a time a few years ago- when I still used Windows- I decided that of course the best thing to do was to have ALL THE BROWSERS installed) < 1420588615 472910 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think I had Netscape on there) < 1420588629 231588 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu