< 1420070400 503513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2014
< 1420070401 293168 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world!
< 1420070401 989507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2014
< 1420070402 530799 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2014
< 1420070402 832942 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420070402 998057 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420070403 496299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2014
< 1420070404 350334 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420070404 985495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2014
< 1420070405 711858 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420070421 115531 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You did it.
< 1420070429 455903 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo
< 1420070469 589256 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good bye, 2014.
< 1420070641 496685 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should `2014 be kept?
< 1420070657 301894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1420070659 974488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it defeats the point
< 1420070774 989477 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014 wasn't 2014 for just 2014, but for all time. That's true in the abstract, but it helps drive the point home having a running implementation.
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< 1420075391 42473 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i made my first ever golfing attempt in haskell for Kimariji and needed 139 bytes
< 1420075464 634108 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :132 with less whitespace
< 1420075523 390279 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfdxtfypzpxzzxcq PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is white space?
< 1420075547 658457 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420075600 811427 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there something like µ recursion in haskell?
< 1420075633 167427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is μ recursion?
< 1420075645 361263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse me, µ recursion.
< 1420075648 10928 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, giving a predicate, return the largest possible value that satisfies it
< 1420075670 129943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Largest?
< 1420075689 409017 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am doing last(0:[x|x<-[1..99],pred x]) now
< 1420075713 995418 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.. might solve that leading 0 problem
< 1420075736 519726 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it does
< 1420075760 56344 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so last [x|x<-[0..99],pred x]
< 1420075822 926541 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 now
< 1420075836 980926 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i will shorten it much more with my attempt
< 1420076026 250470 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 121 on the page
< 1420076027 824387 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1420076119 101817 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: check for final newlines
< 1420076158 326192 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim does not show a second line, so i guess there is none
< 1420076190 677683 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim adds a final newline by default
< 1420076195 51818 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1420076199 348271 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least for me)
< 1420076212 498754 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you remove them?
< 1420076217 10385 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use the form for submission
< 1420076236 990619 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have 3 times the word "take" :(
< 1420076251 907221 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may reduce it to 2
< 1420076253 2763 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't remember how to omit the final newline in vim (it was discussed here before, it's possible somehow)
< 1420076261 286124 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: you could use some sed trickery, I think.
< 1420076277 299017 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not worth it
< 1420076336 733880 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, can i do something like x<-"bar" to get "b", "ba", "bar"?
< 1420076341 855948 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inits i guess
< 1420076398 846854 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, that makes stuff worse
< 1420076403 684465 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :inits, but you need to import Data.List for that, so it's generally not worth it.  scanl(flip(:))[][1,2,3]  comes close, but generally even that is too long
< 1420076434 870596 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would need to replace one usage of take with one of length
< 1420076440 599240 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't sound that smart
< 1420076516 226852 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghci won't let me run that line of yours, what the hell
< 1420076533 571850 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl(flip(:))[][1,2,3]
< 1420076535 102817 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[],[1],[2,1],[3,2,1]]
< 1420076554 852571 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should work just like that in ghci, too.
< 1420076565 303504 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that would help with this problem
< 1420076574 138753 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map reverse.tail.scanl(flip(:))$[][1,2,3]
< 1420076574 355930 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't.
< 1420076575 357136 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘[a0] -> [[a0]]’ with ‘[[a]]’
< 1420076575 400633 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: [a0] -> [[a]]
< 1420076575 400759 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   Actual type: [a0] -> [a0] -> [[a0]]Couldn't match expected type ‘[t1] -> [...
< 1420076582 458142 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh.
< 1420076594 754721 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map reverse.tail.scanl(flip(:))[]$[1,2,3]
< 1420076596 158284 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1],[1,2],[1,2,3]]
< 1420076601 674451 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :scanl/scanr do come in useful from time to time, so it's good to keep in mind that they're in the prelude.
< 1420076673 847065 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: one can learn a lot of tricks by looking at previous entries, but usually the main trick is to come up with a good algorithm.
< 1420076687 136271 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1420076743 909404 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i do now is building a list of numbers where the prefix is NOT identifying and adding one
< 1420076747 170651 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from previous entries you can learn tricks like defining custom infix operators (often better than alphanumeric names for function definitions), guards, pattern guards...)
< 1420076757 735747 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but checking if it is identifying takes quite some space
< 1420076783 35619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420076815 102583 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the negation, why don't you take the minimum of those lengths that *are* identifying?
< 1420076837 322696 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also my algorithm is completely different, but that's all I intend to say about it)
< 1420076841 510765 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could do that
< 1420076859 567788 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think it'll be much shorter
< 1420076874 723129 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i waste 42 bytes to check if a prefix is identifying
< 1420076939 399987 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect this to be good for a couple of characters, 3 to 5 perhaps.
< 1420076940 391572 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 3 bytes shorter with that
< 1420076983 15794 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mostly because it's saving a +1)
< 1420076988 43398 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1420077005 117225 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i need a == instead of a < somewhere else now
< 1420077018 217046 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to hoogle
< 1420077104 975127 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :when golfing haskell, are you allowed to use the fancy unicode operators? if so, do they count as single chars?
< 1420077120 100095 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. my big Haskell golfing source file (I keep all the programs in a single file) has the output of  :browse Prelude  at the end
< 1420077125 947764 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fancy unicode operators?
< 1420077133 248581 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: anagol counts bytes
< 1420077159 436180 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides {-# LANGUAGE UnicodeSyntax #-} is just too long
< 1420077170 546587 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even after omitting the two superfluous spaces)
< 1420077225 136583 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: noooooooooo :(
< 1420077245 158833 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: λ, ＊ and similar.
< 1420077257 355977 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell do they do
< 1420077261 319242 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not sure about ＊ though, but it'd be typographically feng shui.)
< 1420077288 214788 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: the first is lambda, the other is something that I don't think I have ever seen...
< 1420077313 971156 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(too lazy to try to type the triple-bar-equal-sign. that one I know is actually used.)
< 1420077316 559288 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well, does it behave different than \?
< 1420077317 667723 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Int
< 1420077318 579368 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*
< 1420077339 171336 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: absolutely not. it is purely graphical.
< 1420077350 459154 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1420077378 102110 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: this may come as a surprise to you, but generally speaking, golf code is NOT PRETTY
< 1420077378 987727 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, there's some vim madness that you can use to change the way operators are displayed in your source files, but keep the underlying ascii intact.
< 1420077399 76874 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: OKAY.
< 1420077418 58218 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to prettify his golf
< 1420077432 239055 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, some people prefer to not use λ because it is a Greek letter, not a symbol.
< 1420077544 601769 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420077567 317428 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish there were some kind of any2
< 1420077603 554755 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :any2?
< 1420077643 809071 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :check if there are at least 2 values that satisfy a property
< 1420077717 203430 :big3_brother!~big3_brot@191.7.13.235 QUIT :Quit: lsd rules!
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< 1420077750 661540 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: have you seen the "beautiful" indentation here? http://golf.shinh.org/reveal.rb?Prime+Substrings/henkma%28oerjan%29_1415625927&hs
< 1420077814 423370 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any reason not to interact with lines/unlines?
< 1420077832 178854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2014 test
< 1420077832 930343 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420077844 175031 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can hardly believe getLine and putStrLn are that much shorter
< 1420077885 656950 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it depends, there is no general rule for that
< 1420077891 378827 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1420077908 940422 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am however curious about that brainfuck solution
< 1420077914 31841 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :since here, the whole input has to be read before anything can be processed, I believe 'interact' will be superior.
< 1420077935 343934 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ... eghbhghhhghh...
< 1420077947 199883 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what's the problem?
< 1420077953 277843 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks perfectly fine for me
< 1420077954 701971 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... disquieting.
< 1420077956 519510 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :m@main deserves an award
< 1420077975 607426 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think it's quite normal to do this
< 1420078024 178718 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That indentation is a ghc extension, though
< 1420078128 11604 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I expect the brainfuck is a variation on this idea: http://golf.shinh.org/reveal.rb?Text+Compression/nuko%28cheat%29_1201178750&bf ... the interpreter puts the program code after the data area, so it's possible to skip over the data and use verbatim strings from the program itself
< 1420078133 82890 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad i have to access the whole input in my check, i have a seperate function just to give it a name
< 1420078160 742108 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ghc is the only haskell there is on anagol ;-)
< 1420078216 92510 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1420078230 484804 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I got the direction wrong.
< 1420078259 396465 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am doing something like "let f i=do something with i in interact f" now and i am a bit unhappy about it
< 1420078264 126240 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since it's obviosuly moving left)
< 1420078270 784107 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't see how to avoid it at the moment
< 1420078282 919823 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: define a global id
< 1420078293 653874 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1420078306 461010 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :main=interact f;f i=do something with i
< 1420078311 761372 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1420078316 184854 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or do it on two lkilines)
< 1420078319 623232 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1420078321 804769 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :on two lines
< 1420078362 448328 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's indeed 6 bytes shorter
< 1420078415 104751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :'let' and 'where' are hardly ever worthwhile
< 1420078424 752285 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are exceptions.
< 1420078434 555570 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i could somewhere get rid of naming it directly, it'd be pretty nice
< 1420078469 171090 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :main=interact(\i->do something with i)  is worth a try sometimes.
< 1420078503 307767 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, point-free code, but there's no S combinator (or anything comparable that can duplicate an argument) in the Prelude
< 1420078523 710495 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad
< 1420078549 91803 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\i-> works but has exactly the same length
< 1420078561 775254 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no
< 1420078567 3416 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 byte shorter
< 1420078567 109445 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ap (+) (2*) 1 2 -- this "ap-tly" named one is in Control.Monad
< 1420078568 437394 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (a0 -> t))
< 1420078568 521941 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from the ambiguity check for ‘e_1212’
< 1420078568 565296 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (GHC.Num.Num (a -> t), GHC.Num.Num a)
< 1420078578 617640 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ap (+) (2*) 1
< 1420078580 42 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3
< 1420078582 242599 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid me.
< 1420078598 477757 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: are you using 'lines' twice?
< 1420078613 409262 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1420078674 423620 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't see why i should do that
< 1420078736 504191 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just interesting because I originally started out with  main=interact$unlines.f.lines
< 1420078747 811149 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did, too
< 1420078761 502239 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i do still
< 1420078772 769518 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why should i line there twice?
< 1420078853 283372 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind. I'm just surprised that the \i-> helped you rather than being neutral
< 1420078894 469192 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm down to 102, it's getting hard
< 1420078958 574960 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"on" is not in prelude, is it?
< 1420078965 837329 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1420078969 220333 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad
< 1420078993 629459 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really dislike my check
< 1420079022 645988 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f a b c|t<-take a=t b==t c in f 3 "abcd" "abcef"
< 1420079023 895612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : True
< 1420079036 844486 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait wait
< 1420079048 289845 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1420079052 282751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :behold: pattern guard abuse
< 1420079065 499587 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even
< 1420079076 448636 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1420079086 389075 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm with myname here. what the fungot is going on here.
< 1420079094 123517 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: FUNGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!
< 1420079100 635652 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/FireFly/fizzie/
< 1420079131 987693 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f a | Just _ <- guard (a==5) = 4 | 1 > 0 = a in (f 3, f 5)
< 1420079133 287676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (3,4)
< 1420079157 723431 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell does take do with 3 parameters?
< 1420079158 855786 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like that, but with a more boring pattern (`t`)
< 1420079160 282158 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1420079161 663424 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaah
< 1420079178 306848 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote view.pattern
< 1420079178 371320 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :benmachine says: let (\x -> case x of (\x -> x -> x) -> x -> x) = 0 in x / best view pattern evar
< 1420079179 781215 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah
< 1420079185 13666 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is crazy stuff
< 1420079205 435525 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you rename "take a" to t
< 1420079206 179891 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But view patterns are not in Haskell 2010. Pattern guards are.
< 1420079291 252360 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to do something like this in a list comprehension?
< 1420079334 568328 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, x<-[foo] and let x=foo  happen to be the same length
< 1420079353 210753 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1420079357 517989 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err. wait, what am I saying
< 1420079374 161976 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former saves one character.
< 1420079416 157055 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x|x<-x=x|x=x in x
< 1420079419 815669 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1420079500 850847 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it actually makes my code longer
< 1420079514 627807 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1420079532 462218 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :99
< 1420079544 484232 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be enough for now
< 1420079578 205843 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dream up other algorithms
< 1420079611 632701 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am quite happy with it as is for my first ever golfing attempt in haskel
< 1420079632 84958 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i discussed the problem aside from golfing and people suggested a trie
< 1420079635 737282 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that idea
< 1420079648 135322 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it may be incredibly long to implement
< 1420079851 129555 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. tries or suffix arrays should give good performance
< 1420080011 521421 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there something like length$filter...? i am using sum[1| right now
< 1420080049 601852 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good
< 1420080099 423986 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I recall discovering that trick; it felt good.)
< 1420080170 723375 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sum[1|x]  is also shorter than  fromEnum x  (conversions from tests to 0 or 1 is one of the most annoying problems in Haskell golfing, I've found; I've spent a lot of time on trying to rewrite code so that this won't be necessary)
< 1420080198 876830 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@87.228.105.48 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420080199 14276 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@87.228.105.48 QUIT :Changing host
< 1420080199 57611 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420080301 120116 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ([1|False],[1|True])
< 1420080303 73652 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ([],[1])
< 1420080340 984961 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [()|]
< 1420080342 218887 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:5: parse error on input ‘]’
< 1420080373 304072 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I would use that in production code without blushing (except with spaces, [1 | test])
< 1420080424 650459 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Booleans in production code? Shocking
< 1420080448 699271 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised that desugaring comprehensions gives that result
< 1420080457 183442 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I would not use the  sum[1 | ...] version though; that should clearly be  fromEnum ...
< 1420080477 505264 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1420080483 994115 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> guard (1==1) :: [()]
< 1420080485 381366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [()]
< 1420080490 237391 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> guard (1==2) :: [()]
< 1420080491 10789 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad this isn't vba, where adding 1 to z gives you aa
< 1420080491 501201 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : []
< 1420080500 40379 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could brute force everything
< 1420080570 595568 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Hmm. I wonder how the Haskell report defines this, whether it's in terms of  guard  or in terms of  filter ... but the former makes more sense to me.
< 1420080637 48112 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses a recursive definition with [x|True] = [x] as the base case
< 1420080758 372064 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding 1. to z. gives you aa. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
< 1420080765 770317 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.haskell.org/onlinereport/haskell2010/haskellch3.html#x8-420003.11  --- oh it's spelled out, but it's essentially the 'guard' version. The trick in translating  [x|p] is to use  [x|p] = [x|p,True] = if p then [x|True] else [] = if p then [x] else [].
< 1420080786 898739 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG + 1
< 1420080805 454664 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: so adding an artificial  ,True  to avoid the case that Q could be empty in the translation of the 'p' guard.
< 1420080857 355165 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun
< 1420080875 198844 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, we're having *fun* without fungot!
< 1420080898 142041 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :We haven't got fungot fun.
< 1420080923 43153 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :while we are at the haskell topic: would somebody recommend what of all these arrays i need? i want to have a text with O(1) access with lines that don't have the same length
< 1420080925 266329 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie`: WHARGHARBL! IEUAAAAH! FLBLBLBLBLBL! [INARTICULATE SUPRASEGMENTAL YELLING]!
< 1420080934 443044 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should be an array of arrays of chars
< 1420080938 50733 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... what array?
< 1420080946 35251 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION disappears to watch the TV specials...
< 1420080956 438648 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: APHONIC CHICKEN
< 1420080982 664973 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t array
< 1420080983 552548 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ix i => (i, i) -> [(i, e)] -> Array i e
< 1420081000 690164 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't there like 6 different arrays?
< 1420081033 903484 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there's a matrix of them: unboxed/boxed  and  pure, for IO, and for ST
< 1420081063 611619 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ST being what?
< 1420081084 407140 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the lines will be some boxed type (ByteString or Text?), I think you'll be using a pure, boxed array, that's  Array
< 1420081113 257098 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: software transactional memory
< 1420081113 812951 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad.ST - the "state thread" monad which allows pure computations that work with (think: temporary) arrays.
< 1420081123 194629 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, ST, not STM
< 1420081124 174091 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bad
< 1420081132 391328 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, since i want to access each character i most likely want something like Array Int (Array Int Char)
< 1420081160 204731 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1420081186 524177 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should still be linear time to build it up
< 1420081191 891278 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fine
< 1420081194 97612 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: or Array Int (UArray Int Char) -- but seriously I'd store the lines as either ByteStrings or as Text.
< 1420081212 157869 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i need O(1) access to every single char
< 1420081218 524901 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(UArray is the unboxed, pure array; it's much more compact than the boxed one)
< 1420081226 421192 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ByteString will give you that
< 1420081231 754485 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compact being what?
< 1420081256 186712 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i should read about bytestring then
< 1420081277 89762 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes sense
< 1420081295 30511 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess ByteString is similar to what C thinks is a string
< 1420081351 739118 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Array Int Char  will store a pointer per character, which points to a Char value. UArray Int Char  will be a flat array of - hmm - wide characters?
< 1420081383 326608 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so UArray Int Char should basically a ByteString?
< 1420081392 111097 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a bit uglier
< 1420081426 687899 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :An array of Word32s
< 1420081472 966085 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is surprisingly simple
< 1420081505 962541 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i overestimated them
< 1420081623 399471 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: nah, the UArray Int Char stores (32 bit, I checked) characters, ideally unicode code points; ByteString stores bytes, so it's closer to the C's char*.
< 1420081667 574882 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1420081705 988214 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no ready to use function to make [[Char]] into Array Int ByteString i guess
< 1420081723 400598 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be pretty easy, though
< 1420081823 518613 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, since Char is boxed I think it is 16 bytes on amd64
< 1420081837 182422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1420081916 8590 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And String uses 40 bytes per character.)
< 1420081980 474372 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1420082024 545662 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The haskellwiki mentions a Char pool; presumably ASCII Chars only use 8 bytes on average.)
< 1420082073 470724 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idris functions are anti-parametric unless exported as abstract
< 1420082204 811164 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come i need (i, i) to build an array?
< 1420082238 705624 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it usually directly dependent of the list?
< 1420082268 614096 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scanning the list to find its size is a bad idea.
< 1420082276 144537 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1420082330 539274 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Your computer may not have enough memory to force a list spine, even if its contents would fit into a UArray.)
< 1420082794 847347 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: the Char pool (is that a misspelled car pool?) covers latin1, hmm. (it goes up to 255.)
< 1420082827 605287 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or simply, chars-as-bytes.
< 1420083464 932142 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I may have reproduced oerjan's 90 character version.
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< 1420083594 808690 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Notjohnconway 5*  10moved [[02CA-110]] to [[CA (programming language)]]: set of languages
< 1420083626 565964 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it interesting?
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< 1420083721 613978 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: If I'm right then this snippet offers food for thought: map take[1..]
< 1420083748 941165 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1420083760 101878 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that-s neat
< 1420083854 670299 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t take
< 1420083855 485776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int -> [a] -> [a]
< 1420084901 994073 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's good for 88 characters in my attempt)
< 1420085273 457832 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420085274 781432 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :95 now
< 1420085489 499906 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers
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< 1420086598 18577 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :93
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< 1420088454 429197 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy new years!
< 1420088488 919659 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy new year!
< 1420088527 739729 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's still the year of the horse.
< 1420088656 908768 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy New Year, anyone in my timezone!
< 1420088823 138319 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, 1/1460 of the year is already past.
< 1420089223 980856 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: lol
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< 1420091400 295473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION changes a 4 to a 5 in the log url
< 1420091412 230956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy new year!
< 1420091604 987771 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do the two kinds of vararg systems have names? The system where the caller gives a number of arguments that the function has to accept (e.g. most Lisps) vs where the function decides, based on arguments or other things how many arguments to take (e.g. C and Idris)?
< 1420092189 203914 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1420092315 696179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't DOSBox have a "UNMOUNT" command?
< 1420092356 1132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is stupid.  i am trying to find the english original for http://heltnormalt.no/img/tommytigern/2014/12/31.jpg but neither tin-eye nor google manage it.  you'd think it was a simple thing to achieve...
< 1420092393 140457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tin-eye only give the same page, while google only gives everything else on the same page.)
< 1420092413 127381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which are of course, entirely different comics.)
< 1420092594 433883 :MoALTz__!~no@user-188-33-7-126.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1420092868 361827 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why not? it also has a mount command...
< 1420092884 776122 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sorry
< 1420092901 308946 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: missed the negation. I guess the answer is that you can just restart dosbox.
< 1420092945 94634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :text searches like "calvin and hobbes playing cards" don't find it either :(
< 1420093078 347217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :applying extra quotes doesn't help
< 1420093144 61743 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1994/01/01 - that was easy.
< 1420093168 816282 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: note the year (between first and second panel) and the date (next to the signature in the last panel)
< 1420093175 424090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! but HOW?
< 1420093186 669861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION already tried searching on that site...
< 1420093191 265756 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"read between the lines"
< 1420093213 98728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1420093407 242479 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, a calvin&hobbes text search would be nice. too bad that (probably illegal) transmogrifier site is (long) dead.
< 1420094166 659359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't know what that transmogrifier site is, but I once made a local copy of a site that did C&H text search.
< 1420094274 421975 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.transmogrifier.org/no_more_ch.html?ch/comics/list.cgi <-- this one
< 1420094291 767187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a .js file with a transcription of every strip, I think.
< 1420094301 69397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, different site.
< 1420094403 872368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, I forgot I had this.
< 1420094595 454561 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: should have tole me yesterday
< 1420094604 624564 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gave my father the complete c&h collection for christmas
< 1420094694 539647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how copyright should apply to an index.
< 1420094746 9708 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :keywords may be fine; transcripts are clearly subject to copyright law.
< 1420094760 124383 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet Google knows about that.
< 1420095022 628545 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, transcripts may be a transformative use (under US law)... interesting question.
< 1420095051 442416 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: I'm speculating.
< 1420096206 239225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh.  who but GG makes paper doll cliffhangers
< 1420096232 327083 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was going to complain about that too.
< 1420096273 812164 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ne'er do wells who write this electro-rag" - indeed.
< 1420096298 2012 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err. I can't copy correctly.
< 1420096301 660178 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ne'er do well hacks who write this electro-rag" - indeed.
< 1420096331 999002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh end of a volume?  so it's actually the entirely volume that ends on a cliffhanger.
< 1420096344 285774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-ly
< 1420096364 371168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammar, where dideth you went
< 1420096392 571979 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate being 30 seconds off-phase wrt. to oerjan.
< 1420096407 392089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1420096413 789827 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, at least if I'm 30 seconds behind)
< 1420096429 271674 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :being 30 seconds ahead feels kinda nice.
< 1420096430 550183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically i cheated by not reading linearly
< 1420096808 638482 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, it's a new year and I still haven't figured out how henkma did 'identity matrix' (and some other open-ended problems where I haven't submitted solutions yet because they'd score less than 10k)
< 1420096869 497557 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(otoh, henkma hasn't caught up on http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?kM4_ )
< 1420096924 381314 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(almost everybody is totally cheating on that one.)
< 1420097000 648689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like one it would be silly _not_ to cheat on
< 1420097143 5208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I know you can just restart DOSBox, but I hope to have UNMOUNT command so that you can reassign a drive letter without having to restart DOSBox!!
< 1420097270 624048 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: actually, mount -u  does just what you want
< 1420097331 542346 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dosbox 0.74)
< 1420097379 321622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK, but it doesn't seems to have that in the built-in documentation
< 1420097415 204474 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here. dosbox(1) documents it though.
< 1420097615 209524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible for the mount command to specify whether or not programs on a mounted drive are allowed to access special DOSBox functions such as mounting a drive?
< 1420097774 170543 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :config -securemode  may be of interest, but that's a one-way street.
< 1420097854 335465 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how dosbox would distinguish between programs loaded from one drive or another.
< 1420097889 746223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It displays the name of the program at the top, so probably it can know.
< 1420098164 24105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it seems to me like embedding the output won't get anywhere near 39 or 40, you need something like main=do n<-readLn;print$...random cleverly searched for math formula here...
< 1420098181 863488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also believe DOSBox ought to include its own versions of DEBUG and MODE commands. Other than that, the existing commands are probably fine.
< 1420098218 838070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and henkma just hasn't searched as cleverly as you
< 1420098296 382273 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah I think that's a fair summary
< 1420098324 322228 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I suspect that henkma does everything by hand.
< 1420098509 171125 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Dancing+Kids is another annoying one.
< 1420098530 331568 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have a 101 character solution...)
< 1420098554 551768 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, two variations of that.
< 1420098693 769290 :rade!~rade@unaffiliated/rade QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1420099265 650227 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind.
< 1420099316 705353 :DrMcHood!680dda08@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.13.218.8 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420099427 467804 :DrMcHood!680dda08@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.13.218.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have studied Ebonics for many decades, have dived into programming the past 2 years. Any thoughts on a convergence?
< 1420099432 902896 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Now it's just a  can't-believe-I-missed-that-the-last-time-I-worked-on-this  nuisance.)
< 1420099497 268711 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DrMcHood: Sorry, I don't know. (That doesn't imply everyone else also doesn't know.)
< 1420099520 348318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1420099735 708177 :DrMcHood!680dda08@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.13.218.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep it(100):[tree.fitty.4°[ice cold*2^chains]]
< 1420100049 140936 :DrMcHood!680dda08@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.13.218.8 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1420100192 523958 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I set an environment variable for both X and login sessions? I thought that was what .profile was for but it does not seem to be working
< 1420100373 663767 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :streaming at http://twitch.tv/coppro
< 1420101100 83013 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2014 this is going to become the new o
< 1420101100 625421 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420101243 860248 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I think that has become impossible to answer; it depends on your X11 login and session managers.
< 1420101268 516862 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1420101288 467610 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2014
< 1420101289 65007 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) = "2014" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
< 1420101292 797498 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1420101572 759042 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: some possible suggestions can be found here ... https://superuser.com/questions/19044/how-do-i-set-an-environmental-variable-for-a-gnome-session
< 1420103496 175555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that the last `2014 hello world appeared on the january 1 log page.
< 1420103532 116689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2014
< 1420103532 605266 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
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< 1420103673 617949 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thanks
< 1420105227 512609 :fizzie`!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie NICK :fizzie
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< 1420105393 487966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<int-e> and I don't remember how to omit the final newline in vim (it was discussed here before, it's possible somehow) <-- something like :set binary noeol
< 1420105412 316680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time fizzie
< 1420105413 287571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for fizzie is Thu Jan  1 11:43:32 2015
< 1420105683 815989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<int-e> (also my algorithm is completely different, but that's all I intend to say about it) <-- I COULD GUESS THAT
< 1420105705 556555 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :really!
< 1420105714 930922 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're SO smart
< 1420105724 680885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEP
< 1420105892 291104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect myname has converged towards the algorithm i'm using, but is missing a trick or too
< 1420105899 470160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't help us beat you
< 1420105903 896544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*two
< 1420105917 445462 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I guess that snippet correctly?
< 1420105927 95173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1420105937 886769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't got to that in the log if it's there
< 1420105950 882771 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"snippet" should be in the log?
< 1420106006 806658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no map take
< 1420106027 207414 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting :)
< 1420106095 836993 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. 2 down, 3 to go ... identity matrix, I'll get you yet...
< 1420106162 104543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD, GOOD
< 1420106194 733601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have plenty of take, though, modulo that they're so many i defined an operator
< 1420106256 965719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1420106321 534574 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. if I make it an operator in my 88 solution it gets larger :)
< 1420106656 860536 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried map take and did it in one take.
< 1420106754 746759 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\l->do x<-l;[p x|p<-map take[1..],[x]==[y|y<-l,p x==p y]]!!0++"\n") ["abc","acd","bcd","abd"]
< 1420106756 191544 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "abc\nac\nb\nabd\n"
< 1420106792 110391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1420106955 319498 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: fancy, mine looks a bit different but has the same length.
< 1420107210 128924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i had to either submit a version of that or ban you for spoiling so i chose the former hth
< 1420107257 35172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: did you use and[p x/=p y|y<-l,x/=y] ?
< 1420107274 10560 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it change anything, as you are not in first place?
< 1420107285 115882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: slightly increased score?
< 1420107289 775345 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no
< 1420107331 560130 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is too long
< 1420107334 158124 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's one character longer, hth.
< 1420107340 893990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is?
< 1420107381 434480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :counted an extra ending bracket, duh
< 1420107419 19317 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there is a total score for competitors. The list does not seem to load, though.
< 1420107456 929031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes a while, at least.
< 1420107494 275272 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: try the per-language lists, they're faster
< 1420107673 599807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i already had the !!0++"\n" part.
< 1420107857 95060 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`iterate` is tooooooo long.
< 1420107857 650746 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: iterate`: not found
< 1420107863 468678 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: sorry!
< 1420107924 632557 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that remark is unrelated to Kimariji)
< 1420108190 798751 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2014
< 1420108191 232617 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420108192 243969 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
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< 1420108556 187379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: THE YEAR IS ALL GONE
< 1420108582 229726 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1420109039 878606 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Belated happy new year
< 1420109349 55525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hippy new hair
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< 1420110180 183975 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION laughs maniacally
< 1420110248 164909 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I overshot the  identity matrix  target)
< 1420110840 498834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, we have created a monster
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< 1420111163 857552 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we"?
< 1420111280 50378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the channel hth
< 1420111300 889414 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, nothing out of the ordinary then
< 1420111308 214685 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eyes fungot
< 1420111308 536075 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i only went there for a conference. see you
< 1420111325 507823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see?  his alibi is water-tight.
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< 1420115557 147265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Which conference did you go to? 
< 1420115557 282530 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i was going to make a byte vector of length 1
< 1420115565 289423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the byte vector conference.
< 1420115620 179989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you move tomorrow, right?
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< 1420115830 675164 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you're moving!
< 1420115831 305084 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that would make sense to not add an entry into the ascii contest so far ( i'm at 1.31 right now)
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< 1420116886 193019 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an interesting carrot-and-stick. F# closures only work with immutable variables.
< 1420117031 494260 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: same in Java, I think
< 1420117040 474448 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it's to avoid confusion about scope in closures
< 1420117100 896437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was to ensure that closure could be implemente simply by copying everything in scope
< 1420117104 415903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s
< 1420117137 477322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or everything referred to
< 1420117159 389998 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I prove that if a has a multiplicative inverse mod m then gcd(a, m) = 1?
< 1420117229 307613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: a*r - 1 is divisible by m, which means a*r - 1 and a*r are both divisible by gcd(a,m)...
< 1420117315 467860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(r is the inverse)
< 1420117377 12794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(um do you need any more hints?)
< 1420117409 484326 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is fine, thanks :)
< 1420117579 939894 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(considering I have an exam in about a week, I decided it's time I ought to do some number theory revision)
< 1420117658 454463 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, dancing kid looked easier than i thought
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< 1420118524 103140 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1420118888 332616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes.
< 1420118894 829545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: good luck!
< 1420118922 504618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Remember to behave yourself when you're alone here.
< 1420118922 827900 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks! dig the papers: they're excellent. you can do these reports in lisp better than perl
< 1420118970 38398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1420118970 161474 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1420121683 791533 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you think of London?
< 1420121684 552336 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ( or an analogue), and one blanket k-line... i shouldn't say that; there are districts of new britain where polish is spoken extensively, appears on signs, etc., have a nice one
< 1420121706 25319 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of Polish in London, eh
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< 1420122317 824711 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (48^2 - 17^2, 84^2 - 71^2)
< 1420122319 144876 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (2015,2015)
< 1420122626 677521 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an interesting mathematical property.
< 1420122731 397644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: They do say it's a very multicultural place.
< 1420122782 199467 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also next year 2016 = 54^2-30^2, if you allow 45^2-03^2.)
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< 1420131572 939021 :dianne_!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne NICK :dianne
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< 1420133196 204183 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2014
< 1420133196 672807 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
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< 1420134223 939168 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonandodaannée!
< 1420134241 567779 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonboilyannee
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< 1420134262 225567 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not comfortable with the apostrophs.
< 1420134287 355062 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably the french or dutch word for apostrophies.
< 1420134292 615365 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't spell.
< 1420134305 832888 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a catapostrophy
< 1420134327 32635 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha.
< 1420134352 734688 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebonne année!
< 1420134358 311368 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1420134409 136330 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: «'» is «apostrophe» hth
< 1420134473 710328 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does. Idk, I think I feel like the e is silent. But it's not in English, right?
< 1420134576 560785 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in English it ends with an /i/, whereas French's is silent.
< 1420134931 617870 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :English does horrible things to loanwords
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< 1420135112 334097 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :guardian <-> warden
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< 1420142959 876263 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include <stdio.h>\nmain(){char a[6][9]; printf("%d\n", (int)sizeof a[0]);}
< 1420142960 494667 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/a.c: In function ‘main’: \ /tmp/a.c:2:29: warning: missing terminating " character [enabled by default] \ /tmp/a.c:2:1: error: missing terminating " character \ /tmp/a.c:3:1: warning: missing terminating " character [enabled by default] \ /tmp/a.c:3:1: error: missing terminating " character \ /tmp/a.c:3:1: error: expected expression at 
< 1420142976 968292 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include <stdio.h>\nmain(){char a[6][9]; printf("%d\\n", (int)sizeof a[0]);}
< 1420142978 26285 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9
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< 1420144456 6334 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have a 140 MB tif pano from my phone here, will scale and upload as jpg shortly
< 1420144492 975750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some seams, and I don't think I got the FOV right (it didn't apparently report it, and I don't have a 360 pano to test with)
< 1420144585 509170 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I have a Xperia Z2 nowdays, and it has a 20 MP sensor, so the image size is absurd. It is actually a pretty good camera for a phone.
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< 1420145365 762070 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie https://www.dropbox.com/s/12bapqf1dphm3nz/vargavidderna_h%C3%B6gmossen.jpg?dl=0
< 1420145365 991587 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1420145803 858178 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq_upditem
< 1420145808 395397 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq_uptime
< 1420145810 401635 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
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< 1420152084 200785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there card in Magic: the Gathering to change artifacts into lands?
< 1420152397 991238 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420153144 151679 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you want to keep the abilities or the artifacts? or is just overwriting the artifact with a copy of a land ok?
< 1420153156 432931 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think there was something to turn stuff to lands, but very rare
< 1420153164 123840 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try to look it up
< 1420153176 575531 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :turning permanents to artifacts or enchantments or creatures is much easier
< 1420153232 91134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://magiccards.info/query?q=!song+of+the+dryads
< 1420153263 223695 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ah, nice. it's probaly not the only one because that's a very new card 
< 1420153400 656784 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are card that animate lands of course, that's much easier
< 1420153490 879257 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1420153495 364290 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm wrong
< 1420153520 310807 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there wasn't any older way to turn an artifact to a land while keeping its abilities?
< 1420153526 5330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that Song I mean
< 1420153791 211444 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange
< 1420153973 677563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean keeping the ability of the artifact too
< 1420154033 941462 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I haven't found anything other than Song then
< 1420154051 458689 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless of course the artifact has only activated abilities that you can just copy with Kraj
< 1420154115 640763 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or with Quicksilver Elemental if you prefer
< 1420154497 206247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do those cards are doing?
< 1420154585 67110 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Quicksilver Elemental can borrow all activated abilities from a creature in play, until end of turn. Together with some copying and type changing effects, you can use it to have any permanent borrow all activated abilities of any other permanent.
< 1420154626 833288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that isn't the same as the ability belonging to the original card.
< 1420154645 643501 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's not the same
< 1420154724 568376 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if the artifact doesn't have abilities other than activated abilities, it might be enough for what you're trying to do, because you can often (but probably not always) copy the rest of the state from the artifact to a land after you've copied the activated abilities.
< 1420154837 60054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have only activated abilities but that is not good enough.
< 1420154896 830336 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also Volrath's Shapeshifter, I don't really know how that works, so you figure out whether it can help you
< 1420154979 519839 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no, Volrath's Shapeshifter doesn't help because it can't use text from non-creatures
< 1420154990 219619 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait
< 1420155001 827829 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it copies Dryad Arbor?
< 1420155073 707400 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably doesn't help, but you figure out for yourself
< 1420155081 671457 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: meanwhile, have you seen Droidikar?
< 1420155141 522557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not. What does that mean?
< 1420155193 414177 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://www.darthsanddroids.net/orb/checklist.php Droidikar is a fan-made Magic: the Gathering set presented as a crossword, with the theme of Darths and Droids, a Star Wars parody screencap webcomic. Spoilers: http://tinyurl.com/q3s859n
< 1420155314 945336 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a proper URL not "tinyurl"?
< 1420155355 790323 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, a moment
< 1420155383 352898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoilers: http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/draakslair/viewtopic.php?t=8270
< 1420155393 679297 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I truncated it to fit it in a channel topic
< 1420155440 647601 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ais returns, we'll have to tell him, I'm quite sure he'll like it
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< 1420157564 177482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have Candelabra and you can make a artifact into a land
< 1420157660 281265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it can untap itself too.
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< 1420164011 833676 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rottytooth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41566&oldid=39270 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+21) 10adding Folders
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< 1420164136 627182 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41567 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+157) 10creating stub
< 1420164197 997539 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Category:201514]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41568 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+11) 10Created page with "{{Yearcat}}"
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< 1420165857 982014 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rottytooth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41570&oldid=41569 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (-47) 10
< 1420165899 930229 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rottytooth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41572&oldid=41570 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (-30) 10
< 1420165919 501123 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I got stuck more though
< 1420165928 871267 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you hint me on super megzaxeux ascii world
< 1420165954 958763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What part now you get stuck on?
< 1420165960 492999 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same part :[
< 1420165967 300110 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can blow up the red stuff to get the switch
< 1420165972 751546 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can hit all 3 switches
< 1420165984 741715 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is a thing in front of them so I cant get the flashy diamond
< 1420165993 312711 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think its got something to do with using teleoporters but I didn't work out what
< 1420166192 12158 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41573&oldid=41567 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+263) 10
< 1420166353 138366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK just a minute please
< 1420166360 24738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also forgot)
< 1420166474 398961 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the number "1" and "2" if you touch them you will also be teleported.
< 1420166511 578111 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i can get teleported but I dont know how to use it to avoid the thing falling infront of the path to diamond
< 1420166570 970685 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A green slime-blob can also block the path of pushers moving to block the path
< 1420166631 403333 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1420166645 987741 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew bthat but I haven't an idea how to apply it
< 1420166653 292762 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I got an idea now
< 1420166659 182990 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1420167099 996648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember that it is possible to create multiple save files if you need it. Push F3 it ask what file to save, F4 ask what file to restore; or you can also push F9 to save in the last file or F10 to restore the last file.
< 1420169179 937798 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i wonder if the real reason English has a reputation as being 'easy to learn' is just because English speakers are culturally less prone to correcting people's speech, at least in person and especially to non-native speakers. 
< 1420169195 793468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe.
< 1420169214 35279 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, maybe because there is a lot of books printed in English
< 1420169237 172237 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finns correct you *constantly* if you attempt to speak the language.
< 1420169240 416221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: they are? I see people correct english constantly
< 1420169243 795590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it even more common in other languages?
< 1420169297 804926 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Online? I see piles of English correction, sure, but in person? I have almost never, ever seen someone correct a non-native speaker. 
< 1420169322 887146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, true
< 1420169331 754999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are jerks on the internet
< 1420169379 834724 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally.
< 1420169398 733803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear finns are jerks too though.
< 1420169432 919498 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I would rather suspect that finns are people.
< 1420170431 397353 :nisstyre_!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :nisstyre
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< 1420174589 408292 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are these temperatures F or C? C is impossible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN2nH8zoz3A
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< 1420176493 938331 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: C, it's a joke
< 1420176571 429037 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or might be F, I'm not sure
< 1420176939 182148 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be K
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< 1420179442 455336 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I get mismailed a letter, is it legal for me to put it in the correct recipient's mailbox?
< 1420179486 417924 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it might be a paycheck (but I'm not about to open it to see)
< 1420179547 679776 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun question.
< 1420179703 641474 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what country?
< 1420179762 914628 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :USA
< 1420179769 907670 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not the channel I meant to ask, but whatever
< 1420179782 711714 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I can't think of why it wouldn't be
< 1420179842 959720 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of things like "Only the United States Postal Service may use mailboxes for delivery without paying postage (Flyers, magazines, notes, letters, etc. found in or on mailboxes may be charged postage due)."
< 1420180275 674601 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the mailpiece is delivered to the wrong location: Don't erase or mark over the information, or write any type of endorsement on the mailpiece. Place the item back in the mailbox or hand the item back to your mailperson."
< 1420180302 324213 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could leave it in my mailbox overnight and if it's still there when I wake up at noon, then maybe knock on neighbor's door or something
< 1420180340 368890 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) who is going to care
< 1420180342 979934 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) who is going to notice
< 1420180387 330198 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) Paycheck. The intended recipient will care if e doesn't receive it
< 1420180400 193846 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you stick it in eir mailbox, e will
< 1420180407 861764 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, probably paycheck)
< 1420180482 985197 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=593601 is relevant but inconclusive
< 1420180522 638454 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least they agree that http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/83/1725 is not applicable.
< 1420180800 762153 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts it back in own mailbox, address facing out
< 1420180815 556767 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomorrow can try to talk to neighbor or something
< 1420180898 981371 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this system of putting outgoing mail in one's own mailbox is so weird :)
< 1420180936 724501 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally put outgoing mail in the large mailbox outside
< 1420180948 805527 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if mailperson will actually look at incoming mailbox
< 1420180966 868987 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: just put it in the person's mailbox
< 1420180975 740571 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e found the relevant statute and it would not apply
< 1420180982 487181 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's actually physically possible
< 1420181036 693970 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: is it the 18 U.S.C. § 1725, or is there something else?
< 1420181044 315293 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1420181066 25811 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I like reading legalese, it's an esoteric english slang.)
< 1420181078 932893 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1420181083 993573 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you read agora?
< 1420181090 192677 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1420181097 897562 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://agora.qoid.us/current_slr.txt
< 1420181288 778947 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, "proscribe" is an awful word. It means the opposite of what I'd naively expect.
< 1420181340 415366 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts it into an inflamable drawer, then puts a match to the whole.
< 1420181469 949185 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's the opposite of prescribe
< 1420181516 634003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and o is the opposite of e
< 1420181576 616546 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :e is a crossed out o? *squints*
< 1420181832 863248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote LETTER O
< 1420181833 426540 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :742) <shachaf> U+2205 [∅] NO LETTER O ALLOWED
< 1420181914 584491 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ∅
< 1420181915 307592 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2205 EMPTY SET]
< 1420181938 201784 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just checking)
< 1420181975 849059 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the members of ∅ enjoy absolute freedom
< 1420182028 243407 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan
< 1420182030 738707 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience.
< 1420182077 872551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :your evil øverlørd
< 1420182126 324363 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ø
< 1420182126 886133 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+00F8 LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH STROKE]
< 1420182210 696263 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a paper we recently finalized the typesetters managed to use Ø instead of ∅ in one place (out of several), that was strange.
< 1420182237 218925 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1420182336 148588 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why they have to take perfectly good latex and reset it in another program I'll never know [ok, I'm afraid I do know; they accept submissions in Word, too]. Springer...)
< 1420182606 538610 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they must have a crazy workflow, too; they seem to cut out figures (and possibly symbols) from PDF, but I suspect the text is produced by taking the main body of the latex document and then running strategical search&replace commands...
< 1420182675 936427 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I hope there is *some* automation, but there were several systematic errors in the first draft that indicate that a lot of manual labor is also involved)
< 1420182692 731224 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but oh well. not very esoteric :)
< 1420183250 272198 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd is pretty good today
< 1420183354 8655 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice try
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< 1420183376 690805 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's wednesday's xkcd
< 1420183379 916809 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i regret nothing
< 1420183433 787561 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the absence of today's comic is an artistic message that I fail to grasp.
< 1420183441 987187 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :todays's is the chart
< 1420183481 525254 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. sorry, browser mishap
< 1420183531 643051 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be able to visit xkcd by opening a new tab and searching for xkcd in the history - now there's a danger of activating an active xkcd tab instead ...
< 1420183574 668696 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... which won't be reloaded in the course of this user interaction.
< 1420183596 29607 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foiled by software.
< 1420183621 865931 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :software sucks
< 1420183623 265992 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :use paper
< 1420183709 774049 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit
< 1420183729 928473 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :paper reloaded, hmm
< 1420186473 868790 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe, today's Freefall amuses me
< 1420186534 271752 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmm. I'll see it on Monday, I think.
< 1420186595 747018 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since Freefall has no easy way of bookmarking the current comic.)
< 1420186664 71733 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... never mind me.
< 1420186793 91393 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@87.228.105.48 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420186793 369189 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@87.228.105.48 QUIT :Changing host
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< 1420186856 385 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I need to stop talking about my habits so much (Uh I'm doing it again, STOP! (Uh I give up. (Really, I should stop doing this all the time. (AAARGH!)))))
< 1420187453 77898 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ6i-xQyesc
< 1420187669 700992 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from spaceballs, hopefully isn't blocked in any countries
< 1420188114 675301 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1420188439 282691 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sioxorbdwevfifzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so done
< 1420188454 855326 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sioxorbdwevfifzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :my schools filter.somehow got on my computer
< 1420188465 34027 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sioxorbdwevfifzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :through a Google signup
< 1420188497 564708 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sioxorbdwevfifzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS BULLSHIT 
< 1420188515 612425 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sioxorbdwevfifzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of my data and bots code has been fucking deleted
< 1420188578 210564 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :waitwhat.
< 1420188639 700772 :InvalidCo!invalidco@makkara.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1420188671 793001 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sioxorbdwevfifzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I signed into Google at school and idk I think the accounts got linked to school
< 1420188681 431637 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sioxorbdwevfifzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when I signed in at home
< 1420188699 924845 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sioxorbdwevfifzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :The schools filter system for "innapropriate" things
< 1420188708 182670 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sioxorbdwevfifzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :deleted everything I had
< 1420188714 746843 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sioxorbdwevfifzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so fuvkibdhsha
< 1420188731 728324 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :File a complaint, then.
< 1420188732 294709 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sioxorbdwevfifzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffffff
< 1420188745 998509 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sioxorbdwevfifzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't winter break
< 1420188755 671224 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sioxorbdwevfifzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one listens to.students here
< 1420188980 852207 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Assuming this is real; at this point, I'd turn off the computer, try to find a clean one that can read the hard disk, scan it for recoverable data. )
< 1420189014 487587 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sioxorbdwevfifzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is real and I'm crying
< 1420189046 297833 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because anything you'll do on the computer will just make a recovery (if possible at all) harder.
< 1420189055 87977 :InvalidCo!invalidco@makkara.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420189068 978665 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sioxorbdwevfifzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill do that 
< 1420189123 14090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you cannot file a complaint, then file a lawsuit.
< 1420189132 506516 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(instead of another computer, booting from an USB key with some Linux or similar *may* be an option. There must be special recovery images around, actually.)
< 1420189225 460134 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sioxorbdwevfifzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just in shock this is retarded its taken me so long to compile this
< 1420189237 195577 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sioxorbdwevfifzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :my entire lib 
< 1420189255 409075 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sioxorbdwevfifzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dies inside then sues school
< 1420189327 259045 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've never really had this problem, so I actually don't really know what tools to use beyond making an image of the disk (for which I'd use dd.))
< 1420189491 381297 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sioxorbdwevfifzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use a deepfreeze and I I CAN'T DO SHIT
< 1420189509 771506 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sioxorbdwevfifzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok school is in a few days ill speak with an administrator
< 1420189552 963114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although before filing any complaints or lawsuits or whatever you should try to check what is happening if possible, and then you can figure out what happened. If your school put malware into your computer then to complain to them, if that doesn't help then sue them and/or to put in newspaper report.
< 1420189557 288218 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some luck you'll not be the only one... though I'm not sure "luck" is the right term here.
< 1420189570 76625 :InvalidCo!invalidco@makkara.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
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< 1420189712 884065 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitchs: heh I actually own the movie on DVD (though movie companies will disagree with that phrase)
< 1420190213 729947 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :growing up, i watched it on a bootleg VHS on a big tv that took several minutes to reach normal brightness levels after being turned on
< 1420190235 470067 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is approximately 100 years old
< 1420190550 181932 :InvalidCo!invalidco@makkara.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1420190705 254585 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, bootleg vnhs
< 1420190706 822795 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode PRIVMSG #esoteric :**vhs
< 1420191228 396870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420192092 286205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell J_Arcane (10a+b)^2-(10c+d)^2 == (10b+a)^2-(10d+c)^2 <=> (10a+b)^2-(10b+a)^2 == (10c+d)^2-(10d+c)^2 <=> (11a+11b)(9a-9b) == (11c+11d)(9c-9d) <=> (a+b)(a-b) == (c+d)(c-d) <=> a^2-b^2 == c^2-d^2
< 1420192092 390543 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1420192196 186245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell J_Arcane hm one conclusion is that if two pairs of digits work, they work in all (big enough) bases
< 1420192196 229559 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1420192268 912878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0x48^2 - 0x17^2, 0x84^2-0x71^2)
< 1420192270 361642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (4655,4655)
< 1420192425 847014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Jafet <Jafet> (Also next year 2016 = 54^2-30^2, if you allow 45^2-03^2.) <-- hm that's because (3,4,5) is a pythagorean triple...
< 1420192425 890208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1420192762 291347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [(a,b,c,d,x)|[a,b,c,d]<-replicateM 4[0..9],[x]<-[nub[a^2-b^2,c^2-d^2]]]
< 1420192763 556924 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(0,0,0,0,0),(0,0,1,1,0),(0,0,2,2,0),(0,0,3,3,0),(0,0,4,4,0),(0,0,5,5,0),(0,...
< 1420192769 680760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1420192787 254705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [(a,b,c,d,x)|[a,b,c,d]<-replicateM 4[0..9],a/=c,[x]<-[nub[a^2-b^2,c^2-d^2]]]
< 1420192788 712365 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(0,0,1,1,0),(0,0,2,2,0),(0,0,3,3,0),(0,0,4,4,0),(0,0,5,5,0),(0,0,6,6,0),(0,...
< 1420192810 973536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [(a,b,c,d,x)|[a,b,c,d]<-replicateM 4[0..9],a/=c,a/=b,[x]<-[nub[a^2-b^2,c^2-d^2]]]
< 1420192812 646798 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(0,3,4,5,-9),(0,4,3,5,-16),(1,4,7,8,-15),(1,5,5,7,-24),(1,7,4,8,-48),(2,6,7...
< 1420192839 868477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length [(a,b,c,d,x)|[a,b,c,d]<-replicateM 4[0..9],a/=c,a/=b,[x]<-[nub[a^2-b^2,c^2-d^2]]]
< 1420192841 306966 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 28
< 1420192929 182743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [(10*a+b)^2-(10*c+d)^2|[a,b,c,d]<-replicateM 4[0..9],a/=c,a/=b,[x]<-[nub[a^2-b^2,c^2-d^2]]]
< 1420192930 946442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-2016,-1209,-5888,-3024,-2015,-5565,-4032,-2016,1209,-1209,-5888,2016,2015,...
< 1420192961 178431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [(10*a+b)^2-(10*c+d)^2|[a,b,c,d]<-replicateM 4[0..9],a>c,a/=b,[x]<-[nub[a^2-b^2,c^2-d^2]]]
< 1420192962 546820 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1209,2016,2015,1209,2016,3024,4032,3024,5888,5565,2015,5888,4032,5565]
< 1420192993 7449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nub [(10*a+b)^2-(10*c+d)^2|[a,b,c,d]<-replicateM 4[0..9],a>c,a/=b,[x]<-[nub[a^2-b^2,c^2-d^2]]]
< 1420192994 439468 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1209,2016,2015,3024,4032,5888,5565]
< 1420193710 206727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell nys <nys> guardian <-> warden <-- that's actually not english's fault, but a development in norman french
< 1420193710 249923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1420194522 148234 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
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< 1420203636 94757 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/munificent/vigil
< 1420204990 310376 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1420208337 158252 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1420208395 249575 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41574&oldid=41488 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+14) 10/* F */ added folders
< 1420208416 159960 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420208624 408060 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Rottytooth 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Folders HelloWorld.png10]]": Hello, World sreenshot for Folders
< 1420208738 136351 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41576&oldid=41573 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+91) 10
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< 1420211464 316413 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Vigil14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41577 5* 03AJF 5* (+421) 10Created page with "[https://github.com/munificent/vigil Vigil] is an esoteric programming language similar to Python, created by [Bob Nystrom, aka munificent](https://github.com/munificent) in 2..."
< 1420211490 91299 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Vigil14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41578&oldid=41577 5* 03AJF 5* (-1) 10MediaWiki isn't Markdown ;)
< 1420211529 711394 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Vigil14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41579&oldid=41578 5* 03AJF 5* (+19) 10
< 1420211570 196206 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Vigil14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41580&oldid=41579 5* 03AJF 5* (+34) 10
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< 1420216228 645116 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420216234 500161 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI
< 1420216253 529 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :corsee is a spamer please erase them
< 1420216350 387611 :corsee!~corsee@90.174.3.119 QUIT :K-Lined
< 1420216458 124113 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam spam spam spam ♪
< 1420216581 28008 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, apparently I "obviously understand homogeneous transformations very well"
< 1420216675 310405 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have no idea how they work help
< 1420216716 392325 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an exam involving them next week
< 1420216759 665056 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't they just normal matrices
< 1420216766 830069 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at the end you divide each coordinate by the last one
< 1420216780 600883 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@spam boily
< 1420216780 644082 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smacks boily about with a large trout
< 1420216790 150046 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles Jafet
< 1420216806 168558 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(slapstick comedy)
< 1420216880 466790 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila, maybe???
< 1420217921 131332 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, can you bribe the sanete?
< 1420217921 238889 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, but they could blame it to not do that? wouldn't that be
< 1420218016 553146 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, what's there "sanete"?
< 1420218057 100238 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball what's there "sanete"?
< 1420218057 654648 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outlook not so good.
< 1420218100 692673 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... am ashamed of myself and will now go hide in a hole
< 1420219020 531465 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a sanete?
< 1420219068 326090 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a senate but less sane
< 1420219160 964620 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense.
< 1420219484 878092 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.222 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420220036 903441 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mail situation resolved perfectly. Went downstairs, saw mail truck, (after neighbor prompted me after I asked if mailperson was here) went to truck and talked to mailperson, who seemed distraught at the misplaced mail and thankful to me
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< 1420223316 394655 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cracked.com/article_21940_5-mathematical-strategies-dominating-popular-kids-games.html/
< 1420223635 866723 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1420224341 670323 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://yusuke.endoh.usesthis.com/
< 1420224414 909771 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Recently I've become interested in Scala. It looks beautifully-crafted"
< 1420224419 190420 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaaaat
< 1420224624 328924 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1420224647 999767 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody please K-line, G-line and probably a few columns too corsee.
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< 1420224872 481617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can we assume fizzie has left now
< 1420224897 887272 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie has left?
< 1420224899 284480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Home Alone 6: The horror of fungot | but often spelled correctly. | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1420224906 754322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo hi
< 1420224906 797637 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hi
< 1420224924 491417 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
> 1420224924 799887 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1420224941 412708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*corsee@84.78.20.*
> 1420224941 439284 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1420224941 455784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric corsee :spammed me in private
< 1420224955 86056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1420224959 937610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have both left and arrived.
< 1420224962 855606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1420224967 524720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1420224967 550428 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1420224985 546916 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :did fungot leave too?
< 1420224986 192241 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you can still compile things efficiently. because it was used in making the hardware branchings visible to the compilation of some files ( i'm setting up gvim on this machine.
< 1420224996 858947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no, see topic
< 1420224997 773766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, fungot is still where I left it.
< 1420224998 41103 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you and your social contacts" can result in billiard balls breaking apart.
< 1420224999 642149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1420225025 697126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so how's the weather in london
< 1420225055 237696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Surprisingly fine.
< 1420225060 67280 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1420225060 110442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 021850Z 24008KT 210V270 CAVOK 05/01 Q1034 NOSIG
< 1420225060 297994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Though it's supposed to rain tomorrow.
< 1420225081 763301 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/mame/_
< 1420225085 742689 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this count as esoteric?
< 1420225098 117582 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think its just encoding each letter using n _'s for chr(n)
< 1420225156 127492 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, that's boring
< 1420225160 15770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not esoteric as long as the script still needs to contain "require" hth
< 1420225166 643055 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1420225178 961427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse runlength encoding :P
< 1420225184 585237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+ 
< 1420225215 819655 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1420225469 401177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there anything for ruby resembling that symbol-only encoding for javascript?
< 1420225529 973624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that depends on ruby having similarly crazy implicit conversions, but it _is_ a dynamically typed language so it doesn't seem out of the question
< 1420225613 184826 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :malbolge
< 1420225613 266681 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most evil and renowned esoteric programming language
< 1420225614 908798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm "ruby symbols only" doesn't give obvious hits
< 1420225683 168007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that malbolge actually is the most evil esolang, although it's certainly up there
< 1420225684 269408 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: BRB in 1 min
< 1420225700 31040 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :up WHERE?
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< 1420225710 673286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :among the most evil
< 1420225724 151412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that should be "down there"
< 1420225735 27315 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like Endoh added a new quine to his crazy quine relay program for each day of the advent calendar
< 1420225740 138694 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now it has 100
< 1420225748 722933 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll: on a scale of 1 to about ten, how would you rate the evilness of underload?
< 1420225753 654263 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1420225756 45843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he include malbolge twh
< 1420225777 991483 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that underload is actually similar to a normal programming language
< 1420225783 593316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 3 maybe
< 1420225786 568259 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're called "concatenative languages"
< 1420225788 477129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm biased
< 1420225791 650987 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't really believe people program in them...
< 1420225796 185649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i actually _can_ program in it
< 1420225803 457489 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. indeed.
< 1420225830 789189 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Category: Ruby derivatives
< 1420225926 806091 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey they did BLC in it
< 1420225934 151730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: pretty sure some do
< 1420225940 801316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: in what?
< 1420225946 989180 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 100 language quine
< 1420225952 315867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1420225981 289314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :malbolge is probably too hard not the least because of the size limit
< 1420225982 612784 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endoh probably got wind of that from last ioccc
< 1420226014 870226 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/mame/quine-relay/commit/4b9747e0b65753600a17f22ca867b6247e95366c
< 1420226041 948427 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker
< 1420226050 956933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload should be easy to include in a quine relay
< 1420226108 41357 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1420226226 35160 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hebrew.pwn.seccon.jp/nikud/hebrew-utf16le.html
< 1420226228 977802 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this an esolang
< 1420226341 41957 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of course. usually any one language is easy to include in a quine relay, because in all but one languages you can just use a single print statement
< 1420226373 850195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: let me extend the list very inaccurately for comparison: befunge 4, brainfuck 5, /// 6 and fueue 8
< 1420226402 815121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that might be unfair to befunge
< 1420226416 260852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i did say inaccurately
< 1420226435 679695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh unlambda 7
< 1420226575 667967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i think malbolge might be one exception there.
< 1420226644 410920 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sure, some crazy obfu-languages can be exceptions
< 1420226644 475451 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, even in underload you can't write a print statement printing unbalanced parens or something
< 1420226646 802693 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can you?
< 1420226685 392921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1420226763 996869 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Test
< 1420226777 684258 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is Yusuko so AWESOME
< 1420226897 529050 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LLVM to Befunge compiler"
< 1420226913 256239 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1420226921 257277 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/shinh/beflisp/blob/master/beflisp.bef
< 1420226977 701507 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420227173 140588 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is lisp2d esoteric?
< 1420227186 445947 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think its normal lisp except the brackets can go vertical using v ^
< 1420227195 554280 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/shinh/beflisp/blob/master/fizzbuzz.l2d
< 1420227226 630334 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is imo
< 1420227254 880527 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is lisp esoteric
< 1420227258 751053 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1420227268 466204 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Rottytooth 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Folders 99bottles.png10]]": 99 Bottles of Beer program for Folders language
< 1420227302 117182 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :beflisp2d.bef is a joke extension of Lisp. You can use 2D S expression. See fizzbuzz.l2d for an example of 2D Lisp code.
< 1420227346 93363 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41582&oldid=41576 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+148) 10/* Examples */
< 1420227632 700016 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, thoughts?
< 1420227803 175277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1420228003 712427 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by no
< 1420228051 464492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no thoughts hth
< 1420228092 518887 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay :)
< 1420228094 443352 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1420228340 651350 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're all assholes. Any language is esoteric. hth
< 1420228359 910767 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :not every language is esoteric
< 1420228362 773181 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, lisp isn't
< 1420228426 344494 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, is the way Godel constructed his number esoteric? yes. and it's basically lisp.
< 1420228438 994340 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or so Hofstadter told me.
< 1420228439 866655 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1420228445 28750 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not lisp at all are you trolling
< 1420228466 636759 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hofstadder is a      popular writer
< 1420228471 275020 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To that I say "ha."
< 1420228491 919993 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, you're probably right. I don't know enough to present a convincing argument.
< 1420228570 853348 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03Rottytooth 5*  10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:Folders 99bottles.png10]]"
< 1420228608 89701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420229517 159099 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Trinary14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41584&oldid=38664 5* 0380.229.228.34 5* (-23) 10not related
< 1420230243 516111 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1420232106 112384 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1420232189 66196 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I would say that Lisp is the least esoteric language with the largest reputation for being so anyway, while C is the most esoteric language with the least reputation for being so. ;)
< 1420232217 338595 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1420232697 146613 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ulsmc/best_phishing_scam_ive_ever_seen_raising/
< 1420232809 934990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :freefall :P
< 1420232851 200849 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah, I loved it
< 1420232995 676044 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Or, you know, you could just not click on attachments you don't know anything about ...
< 1420233111 151763 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to not get hackked: Don't
< 1420233361 985248 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1420233365 160686 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :# of times I've clicked on an attachment in an email I did not specifically request since ever: 0
< 1420233476 342278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime fizzie
< 1420233479 532946 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for fizzie is Fri Jan  2 21:17:56 2015
< 1420233499 920456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's what makes it official, right?)
< 1420233539 256252 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just ignoring a real threat
< 1420233911 529221 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420234034 600753 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie's being threatened by time?
< 1420234065 234111 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, I'm too old. I'd have circled the leading MZ in the .TXT file ;-)
< 1420234066 252503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: whoa
< 1420234161 155622 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :time is marching on without mercy.
< 1420234230 542135 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: You're better than I. I receive PDFs in e-mails all the time, and one of my mail clients is the clicky GUI type.
< 1420234399 529434 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good one though, I wonder how they encode that meta information in the zip file.
< 1420234469 554287 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Well, that's probably another factor: I have only ever uses web-mail clients save for a few brief stints, originally by necessity, then out of habit after far too many exploits that didn't even need user interaction to execute (Outlook was infamous for this, maybe still is)
< 1420234476 979769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel so safe for still using (al)pine
< 1420234494 423752 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Probably even smarter than me. :D
< 1420234505 538692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course this makes it a chore whenever someone _does_ send an attachment.
< 1420234520 948403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that i want to open.)
< 1420234521 63739 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :UUDecode!
< 1420234568 914053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: part of the problem is my email is running on a remote host which i'm accessing through putty with no real gui connection
< 1420234626 604179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X forwarding!!!!!!!!!!!
< 1420234630 795664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!!!
< 1420234633 183654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
< 1420234643 963657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1420234652 439302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means my way of seeing attachments tends to involve copying them to my website and opening them in IE
< 1420234667 438053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the website is also on that remote host)
< 1420234712 891252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that would involve (getting and) starting an X server which sounds even more annoying.
< 1420234833 431214 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: Hmm, if it were web based I wouldn't write "GUI".
< 1420234892 461898 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I meant thunderbird)
< 1420234909 327562 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yeah, that's what I mean. My relationship with GUI desktop mail programs has largely been limited to a few abortive attempts to tolerate Thunderbird or Kmail, and a brief period where I used Apple Mail a lot.
< 1420234917 32582 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly I can't stand the damn things anyway.
< 1420234977 531639 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a failure of mine of using mutt effectively with several accounts and mail folders.
< 1420235039 459267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <int-e> (I need to stop talking about my habits so much (Uh I'm doing it again, STOP! (Uh I give up. (Really, I should stop doing this all the time. (AAARGH!)))))
< 1420235041 86175 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1229) <int-e> (I need to stop talking about my habits so much (Uh I'm doing it again, STOP! (Uh I give up. (Really, I should stop doing this all the time. (AAARGH!)))))
< 1420235087 10719 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks for the reminder
< 1420235093 261317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: btw my usual way of checking freefall is to type fr in the address bar
< 1420235117 143757 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but that would *only* give me the latest comic.
< 1420235121 698229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then arrow down if it isn't autocompleted
< 1420235131 947784 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas I want the comic that I most recently read.
< 1420235183 785247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh i guess if you're reading in batches...
< 1420235184 333684 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do the address bar thing for xkcd ... because xkcd has no story arcs)
< 1420235221 567028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i check it every time it comes out that isn't a problem for me
< 1420235250 206806 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The irony is, I usually check the comics as soon as I know there's a new one to read; but sometimes, I do forget about it. And actually seeing the previous comic again is good for remembering context.
< 1420235259 511637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main comic i read batchwise, for some reason, is smbc.
< 1420235272 223398 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, actually, same
< 1420235278 349910 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also satw, though
< 1420235286 723033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means i read it backwards, since it too has no story arcs
< 1420235340 816399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't read satw
< 1420235346 617025 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, satw has a slower update schedule than the schedule of me remembering it exists
< 1420235363 799053 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means I read it serially in practise
< 1420235448 821366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i do tend to ocdally open the previous comic in another tab whenever i check a comic
< 1420235458 629776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case i've missed one
< 1420235643 160562 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any sophisticated system for reading webcomics, I just remember that one exists and type in the URL
< 1420235670 765086 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also feel like I ought to go to bed soon
< 1420235672 473996 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight!
< 1420235716 795991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet dreams
< 1420235719 472761 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonne nuitaneb!
< 1420236035 655564 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-49-198.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420236203 66140 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-49-198.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1420237205 807833 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe. "If the current trend continues then 2015 will be one of the most unproductive years in modern history."
< 1420237245 691475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: olist has the worst url hth
< 1420237249 765450 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(paraphrasing from an article published at noon yesterday)
< 1420237263 447040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the url for the current olist comic is http://www.giantitp.com/comics/ootslatest.html
< 1420237288 848843 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and by 'yesterday' I mean January 1st)
< 1420237308 281172 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? olist
< 1420237308 587040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time int-e
< 1420237309 437907 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update notification for the webcomic Order of the Stick.
< 1420237310 875683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for int-e is Fri Jan  2 23:21:48 2015
< 1420237312 308735 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: brb
< 1420237334 315027 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I had had that idea earlier...
< 1420237338 341214 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? slist
< 1420237339 32153 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update notification for the webcomic Homestuck.
< 1420237365 857569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*list*
< 1420237366 572439 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/bdsmreclist \ wisdom/danddreclist \ wisdom/kallisti \ wisdom/list \ wisdom/olist \ wisdom/slist
< 1420237388 776863 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finding actually useful wisdom in HackEgo is a bit of a surprise.
< 1420237395 454669 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I get wisdom
< 1420237405 835169 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom
< 1420237406 618238 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and uh that other one? it started with like, an ø?
< 1420237413 309768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: not in #esoteric, that's for sure
< 1420237420 103215 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ørjan
< 1420237420 897089 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers.
< 1420237424 181596 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1420237494 388779 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? vanila
< 1420237494 981725 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1420237562 951927 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'In a cruel twist of fate, vanila has come to #esoteric looking for wisdom.' > wisdom/vanila
< 1420237564 503352 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420237568 547694 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? vanila
< 1420237569 251447 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a cruel twist of fate, vanila has come to #esoteric looking for wisdom.
< 1420237585 138446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :slashlearn is forgotten once again
< 1420237595 81792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta give that thing a catchier name
< 1420237609 501886 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: at least I remembered not to use `learn
< 1420237634 482697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :progress!
< 1420237684 128104 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/looking for/in search of/' wisdom/vanila
< 1420237685 696558 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420237695 295661 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks guys....
< 1420237697 26226 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1420237815 148534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sense a soul in search of wisdom
< 1420237829 535595 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that rings a bell. Diablo 1?
< 1420237872 772428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1420237877 448338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that I ever played Diablo 1.)
< 1420237894 384640 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 1 is just for disambiguation.
< 1420237925 560290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn 1 is just for disambiguation.
< 1420237928 638295 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned '1': 1 is just for disambiguation.
< 1420237938 305936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played Diablo 2.
< 1420237943 494471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1420237949 331391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The 1 is just for disambiguation.
< 1420237950 911560 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned '1': The 1 is just for disambiguation.
< 1420237997 777526 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the Haskell naming convention suggests  learn'  ;-)
< 1420238040 45987 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(`learn' foobar And this is how we learned about frotz and xyzzy.)
< 1420238057 567977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn' in `ski quotes'
< 1420238058 195922 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: learn': not found
< 1420238061 615740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops.
< 1420238077 575302 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`'
< 1420238078 124135 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ': not found
< 1420238104 352150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: haskell would have a learnBy which takes a ridiculously general second argument that you need another function to construct the most useful case of
< 1420238105 329117 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -s \' bin/quote
< 1420238106 123593 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: failed to create symbolic link `bin/quote': File exists
< 1420238112 656387 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :errrrrr
< 1420238120 299877 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -s quote bin/\'
< 1420238122 990357 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420238129 163210 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`' sword
< 1420238129 836846 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1057) <Taneb> I would like to learn how to use a sword  <Taneb> And also how to ride a unicycle  <Taneb> Perhaps not at the same time
< 1420238323 287790 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l bin/\?
< 1420238324 242418 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 372 Sep 12 13:29 bin/?
< 1420238332 100318 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l bin/wisdom
< 1420238332 843336 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access bin/wisdom: No such file or directory
< 1420238617 429380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's definitely one of the best quotes
< 1420238724 610568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<vanila> HI <-- hm i wonder if corsee went after people saying "hi" (i did too) on the assumption they'd be newbies and not channel ops
< 1420238797 499521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no
< 1420238806 994605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily's case doesn't fit
< 1420238834 405915 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't get spammed *feels left out*
< 1420238884 812079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you weren't saying anything
< 1420238915 166159 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know. Sleep tends to do that to me.
< 1420238917 82996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: did you say anything before corsee spammed you?
< 1420238935 969383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the spam
< 1420238939 331876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(feel free to /msg it instead)
< 1420239183 848959 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we can all agree with ClickHole that the past year was the best 2014 ever
< 1420239260 54596 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1420239284 335674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2014 this is the best 2014 ever
< 1420239285 71726 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420239306 720556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i know
< 1420239309 663431 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which 2014
< 1420239310 216360 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/2014
< 1420239313 458164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2015
< 1420239314 138081 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/2015: No such file or directory
< 1420239314 452298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2014
< 1420239315 15673 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) = "2014" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
< 1420239318 280216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2014
< 1420239318 875930 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) = "2014" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
< 1420239319 68015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pft, %Y
< 1420239326 440724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should use date +%G
< 1420239412 86 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cp bin/201{4,5}; sed -i 's/2014/205/;s/=/!=/' bin/2015
< 1420239414 218360 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/2014/$(basename "$0")/'
< 1420239414 798056 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420239415 268947 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: no input files
< 1420239419 528385 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I see you're not believing in many-worlds interpretation of quantum physics.
< 1420239421 698659 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/2014/$(basename "$0")/' bin/2014
< 1420239423 123035 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420239433 885806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT
< 1420239435 66544 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2014
< 1420239435 608762 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420239438 974014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2015
< 1420239439 446262 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) != "205" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
< 1420239446 93236 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/2015
< 1420239448 395989 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420239456 647418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2014
< 1420239457 206849 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) = "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
< 1420239458 80623 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ln bin/2014 bin/2015
< 1420239458 663091 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: accessing `bin/2014 bin/2015': No such file or directory
< 1420239466 542005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/2015
< 1420239467 664737 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `bin/2015': No such file or directory
< 1420239467 707913 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln bin/2014 bin/2015
< 1420239469 169049 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420239472 374655 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2015
< 1420239473 83900 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world!
< 1420239474 280831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/2015
< 1420239475 740927 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420239477 304031 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1420239488 572785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO
< 1420239496 740852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ↁ:
< 1420239509 821802 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015 should be backward-compatible with 2014
< 1420239511 226688 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: WHAT IS IT SUPPOSED TO DO, THEN?
< 1420239518 816146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cp bin/201{4,5}; sed -i 's/=/!=/' bin/2015
< 1420239520 271606 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420239526 808207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2015
< 1420239527 387268 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) != "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
< 1420239530 871228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2015
< 1420239531 441255 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420239534 753970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go
< 1420239544 346156 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... it is 2015
< 1420239580 862602 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it has a one year deprecation cycle built in, works for me.
< 1420239590 795476 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're using the Go playground
< 1420239749 934827 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ... 2016 could be  if [ $$($(date +%Y) % 2) == 0 ]; then echo "Hello, world!"; fi
< 1420239752 922572 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420239756 590103 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
< 1420239766 556117 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :urkh.
< 1420239770 523608 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :$$() --> $(())
< 1420239773 440033 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, 2018 will be 2014?
< 1420239778 881820 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, 2016
< 1420239845 291514 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "designed" to be compatible with 2014 ins 2014 and 2015; compatible with 2015 in 2014, 2015 and 2016, and disagree afterwards.
< 1420239990 606578 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :where "ins", of course, is the plural of "in".
< 1420240196 392418 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420240260 598322 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are other plurals ons, tos, froms, ats?
< 1420240312 761985 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unders, behinds, ins fronts ofs?
< 1420240331 883807 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :at is irregular, its plural is it.
< 1420240376 868305 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an interesting mutation
< 1420240391 319839 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is its etymology?
< 1420240437 912208 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1420240438 653613 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude
< 1420240560 231035 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1420240575 145027 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420240693 298280 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: well, you see, there are birds and flowers...
< 1420240717 308998 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is going to be an interesting one
< 1420240718 388743 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420240882 114389 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a horse, and a watermelon eventually, but only in the later chapters.
< 1420240942 95686 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the fruit was censored during a few centuries by the Church.)
< 1420240956 212781 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1420240960 349300 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude
< 1420241275 59000 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://static.nichtlustig.de/toondb/010813.html "Well that really beats everything! What kind of perverse smut are you brats drawing on our school's wall?"
< 1420241311 276279 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bwah ah ah ah ah :D
< 1420241748 8713 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420242211 741730 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah, I don't see an API for Google Maps search
< 1420242218 259468 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, hmm
< 1420242224 657338 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I need is an API for transport information
< 1420242276 604935 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I don't need Google
< 1420242295 89916 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420242340 940473 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, yeah, I want Google
< 1420242901 422907 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: WINGED CHICKEN
< 1420242941 760800 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1420243056 601948 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420243544 978965 :corsee!~corsee@90.174.3.1 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420243554 245185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi corsee
< 1420243559 281491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam me fucker
< 1420243569 138922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me more fish webcams
< 1420243576 593501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_;
< 1420243577 124143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine
< 1420243579 650342 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott
> 1420243579 686356 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1420243583 965208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +b :corsee!*@*
> 1420243583 986419 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1420243586 193589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric corsee :corsee
< 1420243587 639283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott
> 1420243587 665535 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1420243591 489209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: context?
< 1420243598 204693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: repeat PM spammer
< 1420243599 361189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume something happened in PM?
< 1420243600 797013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1420243603 793133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping I could get some spam too
< 1420243614 708717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you spam people with fish webcams anyway
< 1420243623 744326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was good. I'm glad I clicked the link
< 1420243629 605085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the page has christmas lights and fish webcams on it
< 1420243639 197360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting from the link text it would be some porn webcam thing but instead it's just fishes
< 1420243644 594203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even have ads or anything
< 1420243646 618960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ideal spam
< 1420243678 144812 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :"give me more fish webcams"
< 1420243679 518664 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol what
< 1420243697 411033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you not get linked to a fish webcam
< 1420243702 45658 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gues i did
< 1420243702 846084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe oerjan changed the link on me......
< 1420243704 502167 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt click
< 1420244106 759063 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1420244594 481880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1420244605 729803 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420244718 64896 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: What a particularly good translation.
< 1420245192 472282 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420245353 85550 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1420245390 841142 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1420245732 342249 :arjanb!8259ab67@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.103 PART :#esoteric
< 1420247144 887693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the ar and cpio archive formats aren't very good. Nevertheless ar is still used.
< 1420247207 869804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They will include owner/group ID and file modes even if they aren't useful or if not applicable to the operating system or application in use.
< 1420247543 119041 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420247655 626451 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've been caught in a tar pit.
< 1420247730 290710 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1420247730 646819 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I want to make a turing complete extension of tar
< 1420247734 126810 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude
< 1420247754 458882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hamster archive format is much simpler, has no limit to filename length (although the recommended limit is 50), and are concatenatable. Here is the specification: Consists if a null-terminated filename, the size as a 32-bit "PDP-endian" integer, and then the data. To add another file, just concatenate it onto the end.
< 1420247799 300986 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW!
< 1420247834 457060 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds a 4.1GiB file ...
< 1420247895 204044 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That’s going to lose the MAC attributes, too.
< 1420247928 572313 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a format will just lead to a proliferation of naming schemes for metadata pseudo-files.
< 1420247981 136206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1420247983 20692 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rock Ridge extensions?)
< 1420248004 573397 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is if you don't need any metadata or if the metadata is application-specific and therefore not suitable for a common format.
< 1420248108 899517 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't agree that this format is better than cpio. It has different shortcomings...
< 1420248152 252379 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :If people would always be using perfect solutions, XML would never have been used for data exchange.
< 1420248187 615939 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs
< 1420248192 49316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML has its own problems of course
< 1420248201 860145 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, it depend what kind of data you are trying to store, too.
< 1420248203 76897 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03Rottytooth 5*  10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:Folders HelloWorld.png10]]"
< 1420248424 152578 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41586&oldid=41582 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+156) 10/* Instructions */ added alt type list
< 1420249252 93731 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420249510 600778 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41587&oldid=41586 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+207) 10/* Hello World */ added detail
< 1420249838 163035 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here I thought a "folders" esolang would be http://www.linusakesson.net/programming/symlinks/index.php
< 1420249882 196371 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420249934 713793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1420249937 219781 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420249949 305339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1420249950 58849 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there are a lot of problems caused by files whose sizes don't fit into 32-bit integers
< 1420250016 499167 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe people shouldn't make such large files
< 1420250075 514076 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why PDP-endian?
< 1420250083 979135 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://xkcd.com/1135/ - are spiders TC?
< 1420250084 22421 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I don't know why it is PDP-endian.
< 1420250126 793968 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be a compromise.
< 1420250134 839286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:18 <shachaf> http://www.edgarmcherly.com/spider_rumor.htm
< 1420250177 687824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: You could perhaps add multiple blocks with the same name to make large files, if the application needs it.
< 1420250256 49183 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yummy! "Come on, eat your breakfast." "I can't, I'm stuffed already."
< 1420250322 878769 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is just a cruel joke on all people with arachnophobia...)
< 1420250456 90649 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether there was ever a poll about it. "Have you ever eaten a spider in your sleep? How often did this happen in the last year." with 99 participants staring blankly in answer and one getting all excited and explaining that he has eaten 800 spiders in the last year alone...
< 1420250568 890947 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, less sinister, that they had a small spider farm with 800 individuals and one night they were all gone, thanking the interviewer for finally clearing up that mystery.
< 1420250787 311118 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might say I don't know if polled about such a question.
< 1420250794 134087 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420250805 929024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Have you ever eaten a spider in your sleep? How often did this happen in the last year.
< 1420250819 368649 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1420251008 829110 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think we eat spiders
< 1420252356 63889 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1420252882 226430 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420253110 186784 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1420253114 122967 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude
< 1420253595 235250 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1420253630 926450 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420253941 91529 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420254859 346578 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that I have no reason to expect Google to expose information that I want as a nice AP
< 1420254861 304522 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :API
< 1420255780 752532 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07PureStack14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41588&oldid=35474 5* 0384.248.179.135 5* (+0) 10
< 1420258589 28352 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1420258882 299239 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420259091 268353 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1420259094 864705 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude
< 1420260033 852867 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1420261359 382303 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1420261657 79813 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1420262054 762859 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... only Chrome supports the HTML element I want
< 1420262060 722515 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, time to use jQuery UI I guess
< 1420262155 923897 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...neither does jQuery UI
< 1420262156 786714 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit
< 1420262202 270114 :roasted42!~appleseed@41.48.16.55 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420262304 621587 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just use HTML5 stuff to prototype
< 1420262377 106903 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420262380 195843 :roasted42!~appleseed@41.48.16.55 QUIT :Changing host
< 1420262380 239157 :roasted42!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420262380 239262 :roasted42!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 NICK :TheM4ch1n3
< 1420262855 683062 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi
< 1420262947 87635 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.222 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1420263564 724796 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is happening my IRC is silent
< 1420263571 640747 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is it <blink>?
< 1420263594 626326 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<input type="date"> and <input type="time">
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< 1420264941 117541 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I separate fields in a <form> with <br> or is there a cleaner way?
< 1420264954 868858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the klugy Planeswalker rules in Magic: the Gathering and believe that among other things, it should be treated as a player instead of using strange damage redirection rules (this player is its controller's teammate, does not normally get a turn, owns whatever its controller owns, has the same zones, can control its own things), and that its abilities should require tapping.
< 1420264988 201438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I always used <br> or <p>...</p>, or occasionally even <ul>
< 1420265065 632523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read somewhere that they originally wanted planeswalker cards to be another player but didn't because they couldn't choose anything. So, its controller makes all of their choices instead (unless the card says otherwise), would work, I think.
< 1420265107 680374 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets lazy and just slaps style attributes on stuff
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< 1420265897 737754 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting to think Google Maps is created in Australia
< 1420265905 70479 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much documentation uses that as a default location
< 1420265918 312986 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is actually true
< 1420266226 140947 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(according to http://www.google.com/about/careers/locations/sydney/)
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< 1420269457 283508 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. Javascript does the sucky thing with closures and loop indexes, right?
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< 1420270044 589218 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Magic: the Gathering, what happens if a spell has more than one Epic ability?
< 1420270140 625536 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that can't happen. but you can resolve multiple epic spells, and when that happens, you get copies of both
< 1420270147 328771 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is nothing that would make them mutually exclusive
< 1420270191 669316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that but it isn't what I was asking.
< 1420270238 867297 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well to answer your question precisely, by the principle of explosion, anything
< 1420270255 285839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean if a single spell has multiple Epic abilities. Would one of these happen (and which one)?  [a] It is the same as one Epic ability.  [b] You get two copies, each with no Epic ability.  [c] You get two copies, each with one Epic ability; these copies would then each create a copy with no Epic ability.
< 1420270303 847379 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question isn't well-defined, though.
< 1420270397 278970 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game rules don't have an answer for "what would happen?" because it cannot
< 1420270610 219908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if a new card is made up then it might be possible.
< 1420270615 205845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You mean if a card said e.g. "Epic. Epic."?
< 1420270619 743032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes.
< 1420270651 139276 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: True, but in such a case, they would consider the "Epic. Epic." interaction and devise the rules appropriate.
< 1420270654 250842 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*appropriately
< 1420270655 510179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see what you mean.
< 1420270668 930425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"copy this spell except for its epic ability" is unclear when there's more than one epic ability.
< 1420270684 187333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if such a card was printed they'd amend the rules to clarify this.
< 1420270690 94391 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1420270693 451786 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1420270711 642528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in this sense the rules aren't quite comprehensive.
< 1420270720 168785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should write to them and ask them to clarify this point.
< 1420270734 77750 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes I also thought it is unclear when there is more than one.
< 1420270735 855589 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are comprehensive
< 1420270756 445724 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do not cover situations which cannot occur
< 1420270758 509329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They cover every printed card, but not every printable card using existing keywords.
< 1420270814 220600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you programmed a computer to follow the rules of Magic: the Gathering, what will be done in such a case even if there are no such cards?
< 1420270840 203465 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably [b] or [c]
< 1420270876 896840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When interpreting rule 702.49a, perhaps I'd insert a check that a card had only one epic ability.
< 1420270887 539464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So such a card would simply be invalid.
< 1420270905 251804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would just make rule [c] applicable.
< 1420270925 784566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if that is what the existing rules actually mean, though, for sure!!!
< 1420270969 129145 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, it doesn't matter, they don't mean anything in this scenario
< 1420270990 168216 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a faulty premise
< 1420270990 794178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are Epic spells even good?
< 1420271005 927928 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Enduring Ideal saw play, and Eternal Dominion is hilariou
< 1420271008 30284 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hilarious
< 1420271009 707255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used them.
< 1420271046 22043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way cards refer to themselves by name is awful.
< 1420271050 596040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you even do that?
< 1420271119 396488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have any of y'all played Prismata?
< 1420271130 410526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess other than Sgeo.
< 1420271132 427324 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not. I have met one of the designers though.
< 1420271146 228779 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played against a human yet
< 1420271154 751742 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did beat Adept bot once
< 1420271166 638309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adept?
< 1420271169 914354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that 7s?
< 1420271194 550480 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, weaker, I think
< 1420271225 936450 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's listed just below 'Basic bot' saying "Improved defense"
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< 1420271246 181176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that one.
< 1420271287 215250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo just play against 7s
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< 1420271383 502937 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once as a kind of joke I made up a card that only has Epic ability and does nothing else.
< 1420271484 888814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: How about Epic Sorcery -- Arcane?
< 1420271559 890472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, Epic isn't a supertype.
< 1420271571 803718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorcery -- Arcane, with only the ability Epic
< 1420271825 129366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would that do?
< 1420271855 491339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used Arcane spells either.
< 1420271865 256462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would probably be pretty bad hth
< 1420271965 215181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I will play a game with you if you want.
< 1420271970 210705 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sure
< 1420271973 801572 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Sgeo on Prismata
< 1420272022 879340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh, a timed match. :-(
< 1420272047 516600 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You choose
< 1420272062 620509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's make it Relaxed.
< 1420272065 729324 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1420272122 951137 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should have to choose the format too (if possible)?
< 1420272148 287959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Format?
< 1420272229 498351 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: don't assume I know what I;m doing'
< 1420272294 392196 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Format such as Constructed/Limited as well as what sets are being played.
< 1420272331 295445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, we chose the default.
< 1420272345 817620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no Constructed in Prismata. One doesn't build decks.
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< 1420272484 482887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo will probably win.
< 1420272498 319815 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is probably delusion if he thinks that's true
< 1420272540 154577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't nearly aggressive enough, as usual.
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< 1420272662 614035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm less sure...
< 1420272723 299122 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lvqfnoyisfymvfzx PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallo shachaf 
< 1420272729 588682 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....Why isn't my Iceblade defeding
< 1420272743 176816 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's not Blocker. WHy was I convinced it was
< 1420272793 116482 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I just lose a turn on time?
< 1420272802 734177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1420272850 602306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I was in terrible shape but I didn't realize you stopped at 9 drones.
< 1420272908 96637 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also time
< 1420272968 495452 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure I lost
< 1420272978 855406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1420273006 973983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you build an Auride Core?
< 1420273073 334623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first one, I mean.
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< 1420273089 417157 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I couldn't think of anything else to do with my blue that turn
< 1420273120 172806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were playing very aggressively, right?
< 1420273127 808567 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so
< 1420273128 594120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stopping at 9 drones to build attackers as soon as possible.
< 1420273133 584433 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lvqfnoyisfymvfzx PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking off
< 1420273168 982198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Have you played this game? You might like it.
< 1420273177 944191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It requires Adobe Macromedia Shockwave Flash.
< 1420273194 938847 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that requirement is why I haven't yet recommended it to a friend who I think would like it
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< 1420273208 844582 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: Prismata
< 1420273238 223197 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it play in gnash?
< 1420273256 664921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. Are you able to find out?
< 1420273261 770128 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://play.prismata.net/?demo
< 1420273362 782847 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lvqfnoyisfymvfzx PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whew
< 1420273373 240282 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lvqfnoyisfymvfzx PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a back up of my server
< 1420273382 447363 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lvqfnoyisfymvfzx PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its 3 years old
< 1420273384 858925 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lvqfnoyisfymvfzx PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit
< 1420273500 424964 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can try later, but I'm guessing this game uses hardware accelerated graphics
< 1420274089 263978 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lvqfnoyisfymvfzx PRIVMSG #esoteric :how big is the lambdabot library
< 1420274178 352278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Do you want to play another game?
< 1420274189 80182 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I should probably sleep soon
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< 1420276350 71015 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lvqfnoyisfymvfzx PRIVMSG #esoteric :what woukd you do if you got your house swooced?
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< 1420287751 779206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you allowed to activate an Equip ability if the permanent that has it is not an artifact or equipment for some reason?
< 1420287812 544208 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :As expected, the prismata demo doesn't load in gnash
< 1420288559 485569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect that you are allowed to activate such an Equip ability, but that it won't get attached to anything if it is not a Equipment, Fortification, or Aura.
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< 1420290888 148860 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, the F# documentation is fucking Microsoft all the way ... :/
< 1420290933 883358 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss Hoogle and Racket docs ...
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< 1420297376 313633 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
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< 1420302174 115164 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1420302762 650669 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... how about adding the perl wats of the c3 talk to the esolang page?
< 1420303042 569474 :jenny13!~jenny13@koln-4d0b1aa5.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420303358 591293 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mynamello. what's a wat?
< 1420303374 812847 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420303519 672790 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2014/31c3_-_6243_-_en_-_saal_1_-_201412292200_-_the_perl_jam_exploiting_a_20_year-old_vulnerability_-_netanel_rubin.html
< 1420304017 523234 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How old is this
< 1420304058 505223 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the talk is a few days old
< 1420304101 19702 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oww
< 1420304255 529386 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420304544 478578 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1420304633 754551 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. a wat. ow.
< 1420304780 763250 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does using GitHub Pages imply that my client-side code is open-source?
< 1420304781 269743 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lists abused.
< 1420304789 431512 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of me died inside when i saw that.
< 1420304794 49744 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :gg ever Perl application ever.
< 1420304811 399433 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if this guy has more.
< 1420304828 749569 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420306213 662057 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420306235 717038 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB
< 1420306236 107013 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 031700Z 03003KT 350V090 30SM FEW010 FEW095 SCT130 BKN220 M18/M24 A3067 RMK SC1AC1AC2CI4 SC TR PRESFR SLP393
< 1420306260 898135 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh.
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< 1420306401 211325 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is terrible.
< 1420306453 717346 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.38.241 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1420306907 609491 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1420307250 496416 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, what is his accent?
< 1420307260 565420 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea
< 1420307271 66763 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a bit hard to follow imo
< 1420307346 805373 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@87.228.105.48 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1420307390 884202 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LOWI
< 1420307391 422428 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 031720Z VRB02KT 6000 RA FEW005 SCT030 BKN045 02/02 Q1020 R08/19//95 NOSIG
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< 1420307747 164513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1420307747 668389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 031750Z 04005KT 360V070 9999 BKN010 04/03 Q1023 TEMPO SCT012
< 1420307814 924776 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh to you all with positive temperatures. humbug!
< 1420307826 462482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLC
< 1420307826 851200 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLC 031750Z AUTO VRB03KT 9999 SCT010/// 05/03 Q1023
< 1420307831 54887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's I guess technically closer.
< 1420307853 617971 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have bo idea what this stuff is
< 1420307869 393187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weather reports.
< 1420307886 50892 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The four-letter codes are the ICAO airport identifiers.
< 1420307886 145479 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellx ää, i figured that out
< 1420307890 737072 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1420307900 523786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLC and EGLL are London City and Heathrow, respectively.
< 1420307936 527312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(EG in general is something like Europe, Great Britain, I suppose, given that EF.. are in Finland and so on.)
< 1420307965 71502 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :E??? are Europe, with L??? being the other Europe.
< 1420307977 470293 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1420307980 824423 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@meta CYCC
< 1420307981 372443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result.
< 1420307983 630888 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@meta CYYC
< 1420307984 164688 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYC 031700Z 01009KT 5SM -SN OVC055 M19/M22 A3034 RMK SC8 SLP379
< 1420307999 807056 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1420308000 254515 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 031700Z 04010KT 30SM OVC120 M12/M20 A3062 RMK AS8 SLP374
< 1420308003 486013 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I interpret this?
< 1420308020 666936 :arjanb!8259aab8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.170.184 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420308048 560917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :03 is the date, and 1700Z the time.
< 1420308055 600110 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Calgary International Airport, report made on the third at 5:00pm UTC. winds of 9 knots coming from about North. ground visibility 5 miles.
< 1420308075 825678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to continue, but boily has made me obsolete.
< 1420308083 718130 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's lightly snowing, cloud ceiling at 5,500'. it's currently -19 °C, dew point at -22.
< 1420308097 634961 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sorry, was typing and didn't see your reply...
< 1420308155 431129 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atmospheric pressure calibrated for the aerodrome is at 30.62 inHg, clouds are altostratii, and sea level pressure is at 1037,4 hPa.
< 1420308165 789501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite all right. I'm trying to do some dinner, anyway.
< 1420308176 363240 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is altostratii the correct plural of an altostratus?)
< 1420308183 579773 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh! what are you cooking?
< 1420308187 448213 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ßuch stuff i don't care
< 1420308191 855432 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@meta CYKF
< 1420308192 469971 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYKF 031742Z AUTO 10013KT 1/2SM -SN VV008 M02/M03 A3008 RMK PRESFR SLP204
< 1420308194 358762 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :much
< 1420308203 501564 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the 'auto' mean?
< 1420308216 1294 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: how do you manage to mistype an ß with an m???
< 1420308231 55812 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that the report was made by an automated machine, with no human intervention.
< 1420308232 29931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Nothing particularly interesting, just some pasta and tomato-based meat thing. I don't really know how this kitchen works yet, anyway.
< 1420308255 345972 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: multiling beta keyboard for android with a german layout
< 1420308284 815088 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomato-based meat
< 1420308331 514882 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: such is life.
< 1420308365 967935 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: weather doesn't look so good on your end. thing is it's going to subtly drift East and cover us tomorrow.
< 1420308388 780699 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i like it since it has bigger keys than hacker's keyboard while having symbols easily reachable
< 1420308430 609207 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my new phone, I'm still trying to type symbols as on my old one. damned muscle memory...
< 1420308540 214263 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I'm going YCC -> YKF on Monday
< 1420308650 826862 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never went to either of those places. my West bound ends at around YYZ.
< 1420308799 574810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with canadian airport names starting with Y
< 1420308821 697550 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y do they do that?
< 1420308831 683654 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there's too many airports and too few three-letter combinations so they started using riddiculous ones
< 1420308848 271373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly too many airlines for two-alnum codes
< 1420308924 151515 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Canada just dibbsed Y I guess
< 1420308935 126024 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that they would get something consistent
< 1420309601 33944 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should just fix that rule
< 1420309617 153575 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1420309625 27210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Sgeo
< 1420309631 709318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want to play another game
< 1420309682 568079 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420309714 272004 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a birthday party to attend soon
< 1420309720 848409 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe later tonight or tomorrow
< 1420309736 482610 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh
< 1420309738 453378 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I need to learn how to not suck
< 1420309776 958581 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it involve dismemberment
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< 1420314041 253753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...nice hagb4rd
< 1420314078 948529 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :helliott. is hagb4rd using aliases and puppets?
< 1420314090 284202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the past like 18 months yeah :P
< 1420314494 148351 :scounder!~scounder@unaffiliated/scounder NICK :fractal
< 1420314697 845039 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I am trying to improve the speed of some horrible code I wrote myself and don't want to show anyone else
< 1420314843 682270 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it slow?
< 1420314916 644268 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila, I do not know
< 1420314945 590806 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to make the slow go away
< 1420315124 173018 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: first, identify which is the slow part. then rewrite the whole thing anyway.
< 1420315132 231260 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ask the magic 8-ball for hints
< 1420315138 56294 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball is Taneb's code slow?
< 1420315138 614075 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My sources say no.
< 1420315144 209092 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, much better already
< 1420315192 866172 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball ARE YOU SURE? BECAUSE IT SEEMS PRETTY DAMNED SLOW TO ME
< 1420315193 409892 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes definitely.
< 1420315202 889917 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, :(
< 1420315240 508105 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball Are you rigged
< 1420315240 973170 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I see it, yes.
< 1420315245 696811 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNEW IT
< 1420315356 390685 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi taneb
< 1420315362 330887 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi quintopia 
< 1420315370 682227 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :well are you going to show the code?
< 1420315380 273476 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: profile it
< 1420315390 656518 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila, no, I'm not in a position to
< 1420315394 295445 :TetrisMcKenna!~TetrisMcK@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/tetrismckenna JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420315394 769930 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I have been doing so
< 1420315402 581071 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt I can help make it faster then
< 1420315404 972243 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It now runs twice as fast
< 1420315409 782299 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :run your code on smaller problems so the slow part goes faster
< 1420315423 571887 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, unfortunately I need to run it on bigger problems
< 1420315546 672477 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :as usual, the way to get answers on IRC is to post your incorrect answer (= the slow code) and get it corrected
< 1420315595 449207 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1420315601 632464 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I more want sympathy than answers
< 1420315668 880013 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you have sympathy?
< 1420315669 246342 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i fucking hate this package. it wouldn't have to be instantiated twice if something else simply requires a.
< 1420315675 328708 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody hurts sometimes
< 1420316150 362846 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.71.102 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420317225 60364 :TetrisMcKenna!~TetrisMcK@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/tetrismckenna PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1420317275 341057 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pqpguahoeidgmmjc JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420318305 785074 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420318359 681349 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which languages have as their only flow control construct the ability to modify previous commands and rerun all succeeding commands in lieu of the update?
< 1420318507 419678 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1420318637 803455 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pepijndevos.nl/2015/01/03/branch-free-fizzbuzz-in-assembly.html
< 1420318772 101194 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1420318877 726686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that be a good thing? 
< 1420318877 837828 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, but not with
< 1420318888 462619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Okay, never mind.
< 1420318888 594508 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ' new immigrants' made me think of endless hours of painful debugging, though it doesn't
< 1420318903 746656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you being a little bit racist there? 
< 1420318903 878759 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: when it performs a divide by 2 instruction would make it feasible ( i think i'm a level 2 emacs web surfer!"
< 1420318975 463847 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot comes out in support of ukip
< 1420318975 570820 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: err made in bf. has anybody written a pattern description language to it from?
< 1420319005 198259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newsflash: UKIP made in BF.
< 1420319029 76471 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420319046 539549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how's london?
< 1420319171 83923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know how to summarize, and we haven't had much time to do more than arrive, have some luggage-related adventures and get acquainted with the temporary apartment, which has both pros and cons.
< 1420319182 252132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Then again, it's only a temporary place.)
< 1420319187 211397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the hole too deep
< 1420319197 547158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looked bigger in the photos, is the thing.
< 1420319224 921458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With this many suitcases, it's not especially roomy. But it's bigger than our hole in Belgium was, and we spent a month there just fine.
< 1420319364 690252 :nc_jonas!~x@5401B06A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420319399 849707 :nc_jonas!~x@5401B06A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm installing a new debian system on my home machine and haasd quite a scare
< 1420319407 719494 :nc_jonas!~x@5401B06A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm b_jonas)
< 1420319415 687125 :nc_jonas!~x@5401B06A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The installer wouldn't detect my hard disks
< 1420319439 678076 :nc_jonas!~x@5401B06A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :When loading the hard disk controller kernel module, it complained about some sort of unresolved symbosl
< 1420319455 250910 :nc_jonas!~x@5401B06A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily after upgrading the installer image the problem seems to be gone
< 1420319477 74673 :rade!~rade@unaffiliated/rade QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1420319478 413622 :nc_jonas!~x@5401B06A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really hope it was a bug in the older installer rather than a hardware problem with my motherboard
< 1420319533 242062 :nc_jonas!~x@5401B06A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm doing the installation. I hope they fixed it so this time it lets me continue the installation steps without insisting on installina bootloader
< 1420319549 822977 :nc_jonas!~x@5401B06A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to manage the boot loader myself, thank you very much
< 1420319581 261706 :nc_jonas!~x@5401B06A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi
< 1420319581 817197 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1420319594 802372 :nc_jonas!~x@5401B06A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so at least the messages go through
< 1420319645 547226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :north carolina jonas?
< 1420319656 653422 :nc_jonas!~x@5401B06A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :netcat jonas
< 1420319690 299540 :nc_jonas!~x@5401B06A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm in the middle of an installer with only a busybox rescue system
< 1420319711 478837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian installer has that SSH client module thing.
< 1420319720 142994 :nc_jonas!~x@5401B06A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not worth to get anything more complicated up during the installation, it's quick anyway
< 1420319738 761204 :nc_jonas!~x@5401B06A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, but it's only like twenty minutes anyway
< 1420319803 287894 :nc_jonas!~x@5401B06A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, netcat ircing from the installer is some sort of a tradition I have, it makes me feel I'm doing the install procedure properly
< 1420319820 403013 :nc_jonas!~x@5401B06A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also used to retrieve webpages with, uh, curl or whatever it has
< 1420319840 544781 :nc_jonas!~x@5401B06A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget
< 1420319855 481458 :nc_jonas!~x@5401B06A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it _would_ be only twenty minutes or less if I didn't irc during it
< 1420320136 465258 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420321217 768193 :nc_jonas!~x@5401B06A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1420321593 83265 :nc_jonas!~x@5401B06A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420321660 393412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420322219 327694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<boily> (is altostratii the correct plural of an altostratus?) <-- normally -us for an adjective would just turn into one -i
< 1420322228 966163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to check if that's actually an adjective
< 1420322272 8573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it's a noun it _might_ still do that, but could also be 3rd or 4th declination)
< 1420322303 40402 :nc_jonas!~x@5401B06A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1420322885 741640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stratus can be either 1st-2nd declination past participle adjective or 4th declination verbal noun.  both of those have their dictionary forms formed by adding -us to the past participle stem.
< 1420322930 143506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at the english as well, the former seems to be what the actual cloud nomenclature uses http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/stratus
< 1420325115 328442 :rade!~rade@unaffiliated/rade JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420325337 272452 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1420325360 738745 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmph
< 1420325489 791423 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. I have had ello for all of 8 hours and I found a bug already.
< 1420325654 835034 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello world
< 1420325655 356199 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ello: not found
< 1420325683 277165 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`elcome
< 1420325684 546097 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: elcome: not found
< 1420325806 768744 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat Wierd
< 1420325807 301018 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​<!DOCTYPE html> \ <html lang="en" dir="ltr" class="client-nojs"> \ <head> \ <title>Wierd - Esolang</title> \ <meta charset="UTF-8" /> \ <meta name="generator" content="MediaWiki 1.20.4" /> \ <link rel="alternate" type="application/x-wiki" title="Edit" href="/w/index.php?title=Wierd&amp;action=edit" /> \ <link rel="edit" title="Edit" href="/w/ind
< 1420325815 75372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome | perl -pe "s/\b\we/'e/g"
< 1420325815 931447 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​'elcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language 'esign and 'eployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.'et.)
< 1420325822 214786 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :their code for rendering code boxes is broken.
< 1420325835 727456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good old irc.dal.'et.
< 1420325868 50212 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So while it does support Markdown, funny stuff happens when using certain symbols inside of backtick boxes (in this case, all my >'s in a code sample became &gt;)
< 1420325893 920021 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda uglifies a language like F#: https://ello.co/jarcane/post/5r4nyJcdI0xRN4aZzCvv8A
< 1420325911 157671 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'welcome "$@" | sed s/\\\<.//g' > bin/elcome
< 1420325913 567690 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420325918 863022 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`elcome me
< 1420325919 289331 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/elcome: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/elcome: cannot execute: Permission denied
< 1420325930 963712 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` chmod +x bin/elcome
< 1420325932 796947 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420325935 361414 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`elcome me
< 1420325936 151772 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e: elcome o he nternational ub or soteric rogramming anguage esign nd eployment! or ore nformation, heck ut ur iki: <ttp://solangs.rg/>. (or he ther ind f soterica, ry #soteric n rc.al.et.)
< 1420325997 293009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps make it specific to at least having a vowel as the second character.
< 1420326043 543195 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it does what I wanted.
< 1420326049 300790 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to modify.
< 1420326083 631757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome | perl -pe "s/\b\w([aeiou])/'\$1/g"
< 1420326084 486251 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​'elcome 'o the international 'ub 'or esoteric programming 'anguage 'esign and 'eployment! 'or 'ore information, check 'ut 'ur 'iki: <http://esolangs.org/>. ('or the other 'ind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.'al.'et.)
< 1420326106 187148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's a matter of taste.
< 1420326171 975083 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome | perl -pe "s/\b\w+([aeiou])/'\$1/g"
< 1420326172 732803 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​'e 'o 'e 'al 'ub 'or 'ic 'ing 'e 'ign and 'ent! 'or 'e 'on, 'eck 'ut 'ur 'i: <http://'angs.org/>. ('or 'e 'er 'ind of 'a, try #'ic on irc.'al.'et.)
< 1420326182 359533 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, right. stupid...
< 1420326193 413956 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :'angs.org
< 1420326359 579717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that this is the best place for 'ic 'ing.
< 1420326376 691189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why does that sound dirty?)
< 1420326441 818530 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome | perl -pe "s/\b(?:(?"\!"[aeiouAEIOU])\w)+([aeiou])/'\$1/g"
< 1420326442 658206 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​'elcome 'o 'e international 'ub 'or esoteric 'ogramming 'anguage 'esign and 'eployment! 'or 'ore information, 'eck out our 'iki: <http://esolangs.org/>. ('or 'e other 'ind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.'al.'et.)
< 1420326477 259185 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is horrible, there must be better way to take the difference of \w and vowels...)
< 1420326714 88398 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.71.102 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1420326849 70985 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.71.102 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420327019 818871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly (?[\w-[aeiouAEIOU]]) -- untested -- using the experimental extended bracketed character classes from 5.18+.
< 1420327037 263502 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420327063 830870 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you make it so your bot doesn't run off your account cuz that's like all I can do atm
< 1420327073 828566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not on HackEgo, though.)
< 1420327100 306348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's still in 5.14.x.)
< 1420327130 260523 :digitalcool!~redacted@192.73.232.206 NICK :digitalcold
< 1420327211 690677 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1420327329 646768 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[^[:^alpha:]aeiou]  works for perl
< 1420327474 419504 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, [^[:^word:]aeiouAEIOU]
< 1420327531 739057 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, [^\WaeiouAEIOU]
< 1420327592 349980 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you guys talking about?
< 1420327701 949620 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :matching non-vowel letters (or word constituents, the rules aren't entirely clear) in a regex
< 1420327779 575378 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh argh I'll have to sleep on this before I do something rash
< 1420327795 997101 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Alikberov 5*  10New user account
< 1420327807 668516 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill try it out 
< 1420327833 990354 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: what OS?
< 1420327863 134764 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arch
< 1420327876 250440 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh but I'm switching soon
< 1420327921 499339 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :any good linux alternates?
< 1420327927 801018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qnx
< 1420327930 655019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beos
< 1420327935 739188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :freedos
< 1420327939 326478 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What! "ARCHOS is a pioneer in Android tablets, portable audio and video player market that has repeatedly revolutionized the consumer electronics market since 1988." (I know Arch Linux, but I curiously googled "Arch OS")
< 1420327943 528516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :colorforth
< 1420327960 24852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :k/os. hope this helps
< 1420327965 60165 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric : [^aeiouAEIOU] ? 
< 1420327983 914558 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: that will match whitespace and a lot of other things that don't appear in words.
< 1420327998 1572 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1420328008 399469 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on
< 1420328026 644409 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apparently in Linux at boot time when specifying the device for the boot filesystem, I can use a traditional device name or a partition id, but not a disk id. Traditional device names are no good because they can shift when a sata disk is added or removed, which is why I'm using disk ids in my fstab at runtime. But
< 1420328105 626091 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to double layer an ssh over an ssh ive heard you can do this but maybe not
< 1420328126 744872 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :partition ids are no good either because those exist only if I have an uefi partition table, which apparently can't easily coexist with a pc partition table, and so I don't really want to install one.
< 1420328137 996453 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and  [bcdfghjklmnpqrstvwxyzBCDFGHJKLMNPQRSTVWXYZ] maybe?
< 1420328249 376076 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric : would be shorter to b-df-hj-np-tv-z and B-DF-HJ-NP-TV-Z
< 1420328251 630500 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So apparently my choices are: (1) getting my boot screwed when I plug the third hard disk in or when the first hard disk dies, or (2) upgrading to grub2 and generating the root device name dynamically, or (3) upgrading to an efi partition table, whcih, incidentally, would also require me to upgrade to grub2, 
< 1420328257 979908 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, just make an account, log into the account (shell; su) and start the bot in a screen session.
< 1420328279 116051 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank
< 1420328280 12470 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I keep a pc partition table on the first hard disk together with grub-l and the boot partition I think -- or does grub-l handle uefi parition tables?
< 1420328312 320246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or (4) some other boot loader I guess)
< 1420328342 257695 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's so bad about grub2?
< 1420328342 798644 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric : why not [^aeiou\W] int-e or if this applys to what you were talking about with regex
< 1420328359 778494 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: <int-e> also, [^\WaeiouAEIOU]
< 1420328396 363764 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah but that's a bit long? 
< 1420328397 603922 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: nothing, it's just that I don't want to change from what I know works, it's a bit big and overengineered, I don't want a whole operating system as my boot loader (I know I've used DOS+loadlin a decade ago, but DOS is not as much an operating system as grub2)
< 1420328402 547168 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you golfing?
< 1420328417 576459 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but also I don't understand why I'd have to work around a linux kernel problem with the boot loader
< 1420328418 670987 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: well, yours matches AEIOU. No, not golfing, just simplifying.
< 1420328424 565350 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I mean, even if I upgrade to grub2, 
< 1420328460 730099 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Linux kernel already knows about disk ids, they're there in devfs, it just doesn't handle them at boot time in the root= boot parameter, WHY?, and what's the proper workaround?
< 1420328462 944053 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you'll be stuck with some UUID scheme for identifying partitions, which is UGLY. :-/
< 1420328468 400459 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and here's one I got earlier  [^aeiouAEIOU\W0-9_]
< 1420328480 476877 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was shortening 
< 1420328491 555968 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-49-198.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420328528 90439 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also int-e  if you dont care about case and can do embedded flags, (?i)[^aeiou\W0-9_] 
< 1420328533 566323 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is shorter
< 1420328548 16076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you guys handle this? are you using efi/guid partition tables?
< 1420328585 150045 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: you arrived towards the end of that discussion. I started out with the ugly  (?:(?![aeiouAEIOU])\w)
< 1420328595 398275 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you pass in the root= parameter for Linux if you boot Linux?
< 1420328599 998674 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1420328601 619184 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp
< 1420328667 89747 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-49-198.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1420328723 15772 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hmm, I'm actually relying on debian's builtin scripts here, which generate something like  set root='hd0,msdos6'; if [ x$feature_platform_search_hint = xy ]; then search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root --hint-bios=hd0,msdos6 --hint-efi=hd0,msdos6 --hint-baremetal=ahci0,msdos6 --hint='hd0,msdos6'  <UUID>
< 1420328753 721472 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41589&oldid=41114 5* 03Alikberov 5* (+92) 10/* Examples: DNA-code */
< 1420328781 630769 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it goes on: else search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root <UUID> fi.
< 1420328789 744829 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also int-e what's the regex for or are you just trying simplifying
< 1420328799 70433 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: check the logs
< 1420328818 306565 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah yeah
< 1420328820 361978 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1420328850 695214 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh wait, I forgot to mention the part where the whole thing might be easier if you're using initrd, like debian usually does, because then the initrd script can do anything to find the real root device
< 1420328860 119087 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm an old-style guy and don't use an initrd
< 1420328883 974439 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: as for those lines, how does that pass the root fs to the kernel parameters?
< 1420328978 894420 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh wait. I cannot answer this. I have custom entries for booting Linux; I was looking at memtest stuff.
< 1420329006 290444 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what do you use for custom entries? and are you using an efi/guid partition table or a pc one?
< 1420329056 163259 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pc, insmod part_msdos; insmod ext2; set root=(hd0,msdos6); linux /bzImage-64-3.10.12-2 root=/dev/sda7 ro; boot <-- all hardcoded.
< 1420329064 524028 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that doesn't help you
< 1420329071 713481 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, hardcoded
< 1420329073 639392 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can any of the bots latex? 
< 1420329094 591083 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`latex
< 1420329095 158477 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: latex: not found
< 1420329096 707086 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardcoded works if the boot and the root fs are both the first hard disk,
< 1420329099 791135 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what I'm having now,
< 1420329107 836660 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but currently I'm installing a new system on a different hard disk,
< 1420329114 845474 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for a while I want both to co-exist,
< 1420329118 875350 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can't have both on the first hard disk
< 1420329134 584328 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can put the boot loader and boot partition wherever, even in multiple places,
< 1420329147 972581 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can swap the two hard disks,
< 1420329154 350424 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :latex a string of math to show what b^2 looks like so it shows it as b squared 2 
< 1420329156 770356 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't want to move the old system to the other hard disk
< 1420329173 148733 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can't have both root fses on the first hard disk.
< 1420329220 421562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could still consider to use a small root partition on the first disk with almost no data there and the real stuff mounted later, but that also makes stuff more complicated, or of course an initrd too.
< 1420329261 807038 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll definitely have to sleep on this, and read up on how efi/guid partition tables work and what software to use to manage them, because maybe it is worth for the long term anyway
< 1420329293 998938 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I didn't think any OS besides Windows every cared about being booted from the first floppy or hdd... what's the issue?
< 1420329313 978099 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the problem is not booting from the non-first hard disk, 
< 1420329317 559547 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not directly.
< 1420329333 774365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: You can use the Google Charts API to render something that's pretty close to LaTeX.
< 1420329340 375009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: E.g., http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=tx&chl=b^2
< 1420329372 457792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("cht=txt" says the chart type is just a text string, and "chl" is the text to render.)
< 1420329397 521931 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that if the boot parameter is, say, root=/dev/sdb7 , then the meaning of sdb can change depending on what other hard disks are plugged in, so if I plug in a third disk or a disk dies, Linux can suddenly try to use the wrong fs for root.
< 1420329415 430273 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah well I found a pretty good site now
< 1420329424 832519 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :But thanks anyways fizzie 
< 1420329425 971176 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the annoying part is that during runtime (not at boot), Linux already has a solution for this:
< 1420329426 789061 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: http://mathb.in/ works?
< 1420329442 691003 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: my fstab has entries referring to stuff like /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD20EARX-00PASB0_WD-WMAZA9883130-part6
< 1420329448 194879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, say, http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=tx&chl=\frac{-b\pm\sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}
< 1420329465 420047 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where ata-WDC_WD20EARX-00PASB0_WD-WMAZA9883130 is the unique id of one of the hard disks, so it can't ever refer to the wrong hard disk, no matter what disks are plugged in
< 1420329508 442162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a solution during boot too
< 1420329512 23268 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://quicklatex.com works also int-e 
< 1420329513 900223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do root=UUID=...
< 1420329519 410118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1420329527 495108 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, but the problem is that that only works if I have an efi partition table
< 1420329528 927266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless that's an initrd thing
< 1420329534 114337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that would be PARTUUID.
< 1420329536 710152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UUID is different
< 1420329538 559274 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, that's a kernel thing
< 1420329541 979676 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...
< 1420329545 681684 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does UUID refer to then?
< 1420329546 501869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: That's just untrue.
< 1420329562 396686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTUUID is the GPT UUID
< 1420329569 800684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess UUID is some other UUID, but it works just as well.
< 1420329572 906435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's already being explained -- I'll shut up.
< 1420329578 453472 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DEFINITELY tried to look at linux/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt but it doesn't document how it works properly
< 1420329596 388364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same UUID that is in /dev/disk/by-uuid, if that helps.
< 1420329603 748453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooo, fizzie should explain it
< 1420329611 580362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I should be asleep.
< 1420329619 577851 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cht=tx tells it it's a TeX formula
< 1420329635 903321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it when you come in to take the effort away from me
< 1420329657 205368 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's deprecated though
< 1420329667 594758 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to reboot somestuff 
< 1420329718 952204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I was going to say is that this definitely-non-GPT laptop has root=UUID=... on it.
< 1420329736 583357 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurgh
< 1420329736 803816 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok, but then what's the full syntax? how do I specify the partition number on that disk, and where's good documentation here?
< 1420329773 858818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it specifies a partition.
< 1420329789 590982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a partition-specific UUID, you can't specify a partition on it.
< 1420329789 657441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use blkid or something to get the identifier
< 1420329789 657548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can print them all out for you
< 1420329789 657624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use these in /etc/fstab too btw
< 1420329789 657706 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it a laptop with only one hard disk?
< 1420329789 657780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is good if, uh, you have no /dev, I guess?
< 1420329789 657858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait
< 1420329789 657936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: e.g. I'm pretty sure ubuntu and so on have installed with UUIDs only for years
< 1420329789 658009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly it's been the recommended arch practice for everyone for a long time
< 1420329789 658086 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can use these partition-specific UUIDs, which are a filesystem feature
< 1420329789 881730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1420329789 881896 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's great!
< 1420329789 881972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd be very surprised if it didn't work for you
< 1420329789 882082 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might try this
< 1420329789 882154 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1420329789 889504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a Debian installation, and it configured grub with UUID=... by default.
< 1420329789 889621 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of prefer the hard disk hardware ids, because the partition uids could get duplicated if I copy a whole filesystem bytewise, but that's a rare occasion
< 1420329789 889695 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess I could use this filesystem id thing for boot
< 1420329793 92587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, the format does seem filesystem-specific, because all these ext-whatevers have the GUID-style thing, while the NTFS partitions are just 16 hex digits.
< 1420329795 659456 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you should get in the habit of changing the UUID if you do that
< 1420329800 566646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you maybe can do ID=... or something
< 1420329801 668362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno
< 1420329814 101530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: btw, that's why byte-copying GPT tables is generally considered a sin
< 1420329823 221661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you have to generate a new GUID if you clone a partition)
< 1420329828 40505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1420329828 634870 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: change them with tune2fs? could work, yes
< 1420329830 136147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what you're doing
< 1420329834 760844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for backups it's whatever
< 1420329839 122370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you intend to use both simultaneously
< 1420329851 565878 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok so like there's 16 million colour hex codes and I wanna list them all but idk how to do that in an.efficient and fast way
< 1420329865 367061 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or reiserfstune -u depending on the fs type I guess)
< 1420329870 968364 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or atleast almost a lot
< 1420329880 809248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still use reiserfs? o_o
< 1420329904 263174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, for backup partitions that I may want to access even if my main system crashes and I want to access them with an old system that doesn't have ext4 support
< 1420329916 268180 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm paranoid)
< 1420329926 218576 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually prefer ext4 now
< 1420329937 467315 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but won't recreate some existing reiserfs 
< 1420329951 132220 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, my remaining question is, where's this kernel parameter root=UUID thing documented?
< 1420329959 408879 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work even without initrd?
< 1420329964 974889 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I think it's an initrd thing
< 1420329966 806496 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let me check
< 1420329986 545969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so does this mean that if you have some random data that just happens to look like a valid somefs filesystem with a certain UUID...?
< 1420329995 416777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it works by probing, not by hashing up some hardware identifiers of the partition?
< 1420330016 802508 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, I guess that's the other problem
< 1420330027 576350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it works, it's just ugly :p
< 1420330031 763307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like PARTUUID better then
< 1420330040 941912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I just use PARTLABEL since UUIDs are a pain and I know what my partition labels are
< 1420330046 878242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: By the way, "lsblk -o +UUID,PARTUUID" suggests you can perhaps use PARTUUID without GPT too, because all these partitions have PARTUUIDs of 0008fac6-01 .. 0008fac6-07 where the first digits are probably the disk ID.
< 1420330047 560213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can use LABEL on non-GPT)
< 1420330052 504384 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh am I the only one who lost data thanks to reiserfs' attitude of keeping metadata consistent but not caring about the relation between file size and file contents?
< 1420330062 774380 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1420330064 993796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where the 01 .. 07 is the partition number.)
< 1420330068 774212 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :you arenr
< 1420330072 429422 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: some live cd systems that supposedly don't use your hard disk default to using any swap partitions they find on your hard disk as swap by default, good luck if you wanted to recover data from a failing hard disk with such a live boot system
< 1420330074 536798 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this must have been around the year 2000, I have not used reiserfs since)
< 1420330097 801799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So many redundant tools -- I picked "lsblk -o +UUID,PARTUUID" out of 'man mount'.)
< 1420330098 826823 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only used it recently
< 1420330133 182899 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly,
< 1420330135 358838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: blkid is part of the same package as lsblk, I think.
< 1420330140 846062 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems root=UUID= is an initrd feature
< 1420330148 924735 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel itself only has root=PARTUUID=
< 1420330149 895911 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you keep a constant file of metadata mine keeps deleting itself and I'm slowly dieing
< 1420330162 166885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered just using an initramfs :p
< 1420330171 640470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dpkg reports they're both in util-linux here, FWIW.
< 1420330178 638012 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, I have mentioned that among other stuff
< 1420330198 330613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: So did that non-GPT PARTUUID suit your needs? 
< 1420330199 165406 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I just don't see why I need these sort of workarounds when linux does now my hard disk identifier anyway
< 1420330199 967971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right I mean, they both use libblkid or whatever
< 1420330209 518653 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dunno, how does that work?
< 1420330233 805312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Try "lsblk -o +UUID,PARTUUID" and see if your partitions have "xxxxxxxx-NN" PARTUUID values.
< 1420330243 426083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Then try them out as root=PARTUUID=..., I guess.
< 1420330263 378215 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :just Delete linux and install the original windows
< 1420330264 909483 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have an lsblk
< 1420330270 129683 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I have to install that?
< 1420330272 306042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, hmm.
< 1420330274 379694 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a horrid suggestion
< 1420330281 272312 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry
< 1420330298 256873 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever I choose, I definitely won't do it right now. I'll sleep on it and thing what's the best thing to do.
< 1420330314 890766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It's in 'util-linux' on Debian. But I don't know anything about this.
< 1420330330 392654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: At any rate, it's just a disk ID + partition number, so if you wanted something robust to repartitioning, this ain't it.
< 1420330339 402192 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently it's in later versions of lsblk
< 1420330343 547796 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :later than what I have installed
< 1420330361 410362 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I'll try to figure that out, thanks
< 1420330364 103286 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might helop
< 1420330417 429198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, fdisk reports "Disk identifier: 0x0008fac6" and the PARTUUIDs I get from lsblk are 0008fac6-01 and so on, so you could probably puzzle it out that way too.
< 1420330427 885761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the sleep. ->
< 1420330434 771686 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks for the hints
< 1420330588 895988 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :creating an efi partition table and installing grub2 might make sense, so that's an option I have to consider too
< 1420330708 38914 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know the name of the symmetry group of Life-like CAs?
< 1420330714 96442 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thank you
< 1420330727 227463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem. that'll be $5k
< 1420330779 770751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: dihedral group, D_4?
< 1420330794 116187 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what symmetry group?
< 1420330799 163056 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the wallpaper groups?
< 1420330855 685472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :should it include translations as well?
< 1420331023 441799 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the symmetry of the rule set?
< 1420331037 281845 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it only depends on the number it's the full permutation group I think
< 1420331064 309266 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1420331133 52230 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems right vanila. thanks.
< 1420331352 108944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: But is it a gauge symmetry?
< 1420331435 840760 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIAAAAAAAAAAA!
< 1420331538 229123 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: quitan
< 1420331978 112229 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blows everyone in this channel up with 1 ton of c4 
< 1420332142 935273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip
< 1420332148 915976 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION flings everyone in this channel into a black hole 
< 1420332277 189629 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :u wot
< 1420332454 281495 :arjanb!8259aab8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.170.184 QUIT :Quit: zzz
< 1420332562 649919 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you implying GeekDude that being tossed into a black hole would kill us?
< 1420332572 516685 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws a baseball bat at everyone in this channel 
< 1420332582 651370 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :U fkn w0t
< 1420332623 867877 :Guest69407!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-wpdynzkduaxxzsqq QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero
< 1420332640 577807 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps everyone in this channel with a PRIVMSG 
< 1420332664 802522 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk
< 1420332670 588485 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats happening
< 1420332674 849006 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is he a bot?
< 1420332707 469296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude: pls stop
< 1420332707 813695 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :keeping an entire copy of your server on 300 floppy disks
< 1420332716 486077 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not a bot
< 1420332721 231204 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just like slapping people
< 1420332728 982131 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop :l
< 1420332735 763731 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya dip
< 1420332735 905543 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who keeps a backup on floppies?
< 1420332755 121102 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :was a joke
< 1420332768 140769 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :A very floppy joke
< 1420332768 414867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude: it's not really appropriate so please don't
< 1420332772 199759 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since servers nowadays would take up a lot of floppies
< 1420332803 459715 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it'd depend on whether or not you're copying the entire server, or just the relevant configuration files and web root
< 1420332809 670191 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok so like I'm trying to fill up a petabyte
< 1420332819 374040 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :And its taking very long
< 1420332830 733201 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of the server
< 1420332841 521729 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :God dammit words
< 1420332949 113204 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420332973 473718 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having trouble with outputting spaces in haskell. 
< 1420332992 480508 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :itsjusthavingallthewordsconnectedlikethis
< 1420333038 830866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh... can I see your code?
< 1420333093 56102 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I get on the computer elliott 
< 1420333107 440791 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at my friends house atm
< 1420333339 303038 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. I'm stupid I accidently deleted the zerospace file ;-; now I have to redo it 
< 1420333352 9310 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymzkrpuckpuimxw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for the bother. ugh I is stupid
< 1420333720 722489 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a saying
< 1420333726 538521 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Everybody is stupid"
< 1420333736 278086 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far it's turned out pretty correct
< 1420334712 129820 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried entering a complicated regular expression into Gatherer and it would not accept it.
< 1420334756 813575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How complicated?
< 1420334871 905211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typed m/^[^()]*(\([^()]*\))*[^()]*counters?\son[^()]*(\([^()]*\))*[^()]*$/ although maybe it contains a mistake I don't know
< 1420334921 369190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you looking for?
< 1420334940 736135 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cards with "counter(s) on" outside of reminder text.
< 1420335068 859991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Gatherer even search inside the reminder text?
< 1420335141 408728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does, and doesn't seem to have an option to omit it.
< 1420335264 596077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what people usually do for complicated queries is download the database and search it themselves.
< 1420335272 9956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's easily available for download, though.
< 1420335404 7018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did also want a SQLite database of Magic: the Gathering cards in fact.
< 1420335442 506986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe people can work together making one up.
< 1420335483 851343 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several people have databases, e.g. magiccards.info and the bot Datatog on EFNet.
< 1420335628 331421 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seems you can download those?
< 1420335659 950284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but maybe you can talk to those people.
< 1420335665 133683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also other databases of cards.
< 1420335762 382921 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they aren't in SQLite format then maybe they can be converted into SQLite format.
< 1420335837 566078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I have seen Gatherer is still the best one so far, though.
< 1420336098 21376 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's good about SQLite?
< 1420336104 19801 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it in websites
< 1420336365 364629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use SQLite in websites, but it can also be used standalone, which is how I normally use it.
< 1420336438 134069 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1420336472 673198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite is a relatively simple SQL implementation, it stores the database in a single file, is public domain, is fast for small databases (it is fast for large databases too, but not as fast as larger implementations), and it supports virtual tables and INSTEAD OF triggers and a few other things.
< 1420336502 694286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://yawgatog.com/resources/oracle/
< 1420336510 18499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also easy to write extensions.
< 1420336572 151861 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420336722 177959 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :a virtual table sounds weird, isn't SELECT statement enough?
< 1420336723 469851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Thank you that might help for converting into SQLite format.
< 1420336739 765583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also search it directly. It is a text file.
< 1420336771 933042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although I believe it would also be useful in SQLite format.
< 1420336797 414717 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: ???
< 1420336819 73162 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can nest SQL select
< 1420336827 193799 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I imagine that is powerful enough to replace virtual table?
< 1420336881 398698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you even know what a virtual table does?
< 1420336963 29626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, SQLite also supports recursive WITH clauses and partial indices. Also, I find INSTEAD OF triggers are usually more useful than BEFORE and AFTER triggers.
< 1420336974 132954 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-jhpjbpyiqstbunlm JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420336974 293062 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-jhpjbpyiqstbunlm QUIT :Changing host
< 1420336974 336268 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420337002 827755 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1420337807 838333 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up some new rules and cards for Magic: the Gathering. Do you like this?  http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/newmtg.txt
< 1420337844 316895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why reinstate mana burn?
< 1420337853 505547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never played with mana burn and it seems like it would be annoying.
< 1420337869 105450 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1420337991 752298 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For strategic purposes mainly.
< 1420338006 994616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But look at the card texts too.
< 1420338098 94849 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420338291 277625 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420338311 684712 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't I centre anything?
< 1420338418 225060 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized something
< 1420338428 521930 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 appears last in a lot of lists that it appears in
< 1420338463 302091 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yars.
< 1420338471 915 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what? it begins with zz
< 1420338475 516089 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes thats why
< 1420338491 951637 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want first you do AA
< 1420338508 46350 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure if that will wo rk well
< 1420338511 619828 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :since aardvarks exist
< 1420338515 165050 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and aaron
< 1420338519 742537 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might need to go triple a
< 1420338524 515018 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 00
< 1420338529 554390 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah true
< 1420338627 237131 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what black sorcery does it take to vertically centre text in a div?
< 1420338832 646666 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could say jQuery, but I won't mention it.
< 1420339105 85665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first name does start with AA, and my father changed his last name to Black so that his name would be close to the beginning of alphabetical lists.
< 1420339147 979531 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: jquery doesn't seem to have it
< 1420339474 561601 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it see. the font i'm using is uncentred. oh joy
< 1420339537 320601 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vagaries of web development...
< 1420339581 102547 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had the bright idea of making an RPG in javacript. I regret everything
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< 1420340780 232107 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🔣
< 1420340782 216226 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F523 INPUT SYMBOL FOR SYMBOLS \ UTF-8: f0 9f 94 a3  UTF-16BE: d83ddd23  Decimal: &#128291; \ 🔣 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals)
< 1420340804 124684 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicodeception
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< 1420341841 707685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Isn't a token always a permanent right now?
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< 1420342454 82555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes.
< 1420342467 500549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Maybe you should make the RPG in SQL instead?
< 1420342717 638408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Using {T} as the cost for loyalty abilities sounds worrying.
< 1420342736 31038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Untapping permanents isn't very difficult. They surely did it this way on purpose.
< 1420342749 903699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though e.g. http://magiccards.info/query?q=!the+chain+veil exists.
< 1420342838 112507 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a UNIX command to "pop" a line out of a file
< 1420342856 674321 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a file as a stack
< 1420342859 463163 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :or queue
< 1420343023 228746 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK I fixed that.
< 1420343048 688734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I don't know of any, at least.
< 1420343061 54681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What's the point of {T} loyalty abilities?
< 1420343064 921785 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im goingo to write it myself, called 'pop'
< 1420343070 67240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to make it easier to keep track of the state?
< 1420343101 839126 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be more efficient to truncate a line off a file, than move everthing back one line
< 1420343108 391393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Mainly yes, but in unusual circumstances may do other things too.
< 1420343122 75499 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm tail gves me the last time
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< 1420345494 863135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why not make losing the game as a result of attempting to draw a card a state-based action?
< 1420345602 446771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://mtgjson.com/
< 1420345613 723397 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just doesn't make complete sense to me, since that would require the state of the game to include such a feature; it seems simpler to make it not a state-based action; this also would affect some unusual situations.
< 1420345645 844316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering which situations it would affect.
< 1420345655 392208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like state-based actions are the usual way to handle that sort of thing?
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< 1420345852 415358 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren why is that unicode so long 
< 1420345859 757722 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the catagory
< 1420345877 218004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That JSON data is good idea. Virtual table module can be one way to convert it into SQLite format. (Another virtual table module could then be used to convert into another different format too.)
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< 1420346074 682905 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one render 16 million colours on a bit map
< 1420346115 954305 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: depending on what "pop" is used for, you should probably create a new file and rename it atomically.
< 1420346315 576322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It would affect the situation in case someone is both losing all life and being unable to draw a card at the same time. (I am also curious what the old Fourth Edition rules are regarding this situation. I have a Magic: the Puzzing book, so it would help to know such thing.)
< 1420346344 158496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, what is your opnions of some of the cards I have put in? (Note that sometimes I update them even a few seconds ago and a few minutes in the future.)
< 1420346403 390470 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example: x=$(mktemp --tmpdir "$(dirname "$1")"); l=$(tail -n 1 "$1"); head -n -1 "$1" >"$x"; mv "$x" "$1"; echo "$l"
< 1420346609 453943 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An open-source fanatic friend says no one will use my project if I don't open source it
< 1420346624 356150 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he is probably half right.
< 1420346635 221265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It depend what your project is, probably. What is the project anyways?
< 1420346652 890282 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if I really want to say on here
< 1420346660 499063 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a sorting of Google Maps API data though
< 1420346675 18918 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Open-sourcing it will nevertheless probably improve its usefulness.
< 1420347940 348360 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, they also have mana symbols in SVG; that may help in order to convert it into a typeface.
< 1420348105 145401 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: where's prismatajson?
< 1420348190 795973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://blog.prismata.net/units/ hth
< 1420348537 135208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://prismata.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=Category:Unit_data has some unit data.
< 1420348545 763461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to play a game?
< 1420348587 283529 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you open source it
< 1420348738 402280 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might want to make money on it. Although I guess I can both have ads and open-source it
< 1420348741 895799 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still undecided
< 1420348838 613271 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is also undecided whether to play shachaf in Prismata right now
< 1420348856 131287 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put lots of invisible banner ads on it
< 1420348893 66392 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then open source it layer a couple ssh's over it encrypt all of it and then no one can use eet
< 1420348907 516281 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screeeee
< 1420349115 779421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo decide
< 1420349126 767297 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides he needs to drink water
< 1420349174 942484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can open-source it and still earn money; there are several ways to do so. For example the GUI version is you can charge money and/or put ads in it, command-line version is an open-source software package
< 1420349209 722930 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it force pull $3000 from their paypals
< 1420349243 395794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cheating and anyways not everyone is using Paypal or has that much in their account even if they do.
< 1420349268 183951 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh ;-;
< 1420349274 141874 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Packet sniffer
< 1420349289 313688 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk I give illegal suggestions
< 1420349292 941446 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't mind ne
< 1420349299 90798 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :me*
< 1420349322 867408 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION won't play Prismata right now
< 1420349341 547386 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatis prismata?
< 1420349371 918947 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://prismata.net/
< 1420349408 503757 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ty
< 1420349429 133261 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION proceeds to click the link after 17 weeks
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< 1420351828 403024 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :🍔🍟🎮😊
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< 1420352460 376388 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't prismata that game that was basically jumpstarted by reddit?
< 1420352658 969059 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpfwkpkouxgqslfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you crave that mineral?
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< 1420353045 808459 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude: yes
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< 1420357958 274150 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: Might as well encrypt their data and ask for money to decrypt
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< 1420361723 808281 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Folders14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41590 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+828) 10Clarifications?
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< 1420366684 286722 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't understand why the icon for a zip archive on windows is a folder with a zipper on it
< 1420366700 725624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you just answer your own question
< 1420366726 262294 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not use a proper metaphor instead of a stupid pun?
< 1420366751 411751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a pun?
< 1420366755 96893 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like haha .zip zipper
< 1420366789 625190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, if it is a pun, are you sure microsoft made it?
< 1420366819 219902 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't got any special icon sets installed (afaik)
< 1420366835 305792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, are you sure "zip" wasn't made for that pun
< 1420366854 920138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, making metaphors into icons is hard.
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< 1420366882 51008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was named after pkzip obviously hth
< 1420366936 891699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe not "The name "zip" (meaning "move at high speed") was suggested by Katz's friend, Robert Mahoney."
< 1420366956 367739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa
< 1420367033 203956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if God was the first pun, then who made God
< 1420367053 814935 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://snag.gy/Al52E.jpg
< 1420367060 185073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun puns
< 1420367075 469532 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the zipper is in a nonsensical place
< 1420367104 809430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, pretty sure "zipper" must have been made from that verb too...
< 1420367108 881736 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah I won't believe that they were unaware of the other meanings. (the decompressor was pkunzip -- would that mean "make slow"?)
< 1420367216 694957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get this feeling everyone in the channel except me is into manga style these days
< 1420367226 463462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course i have no style)
< 1420367229 991940 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oppa manga style!
< 1420367286 206886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{Oren}]: i see no zipper in that image :(
< 1420367305 421022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꊐ
< 1420367359 418436 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "compressed folder" named "allegro" is the fourth one down on the left.
< 1420367361 209056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :``unidecode ꊐ # ha ha
< 1420367361 763860 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `unidecode: not found
< 1420367368 128215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1420367382 134175 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꊐ
< 1420367382 774499 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A290 YI SYLLABLE ZIP]
< 1420367396 719252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1420367440 107933 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 名
< 1420367441 491453 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+540D CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-540D]
< 1420367457 270970 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that is an extremely unhelpful name
< 1420367461 308684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you thin
< 1420367462 490299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1420367608 294057 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 狗
< 1420367608 948778 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+72D7 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-72D7]
< 1420367628 940624 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it sure is 72D7 isn't it
< 1420367659 763567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an ideological system hth
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< 1420367793 236292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the han unification ideology
< 1420367900 530220 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that character means dog in every languageit is used in... why can't they just say CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH DOG
< 1420367945 356651 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to re-check this, I may have been stupid yesterday 
< 1420367956 215834 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also nowadays it should just be CJ unification since K aren't using them anymore
< 1420367963 867612 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should just be CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH 狗 hth
< 1420368063 731849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{Oren}]: they aren't?
< 1420368112 353772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did south korea stop sprinkling kanji into everything, i heard that was a major difference between them and north korea
< 1420368122 624416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(once upon a time)
< 1420368168 912004 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: apparently they stopped in the 1990's
< 1420368173 956850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1420368215 474538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :live and learn
< 1420368262 115682 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, so it went from CJKV to CJK and now it should just be CJ
< 1420368516 300032 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Formal hanja education begins in grade 7 (junior high school) and continues until graduation from senior high school in grade 12. A total of 1,800 hanja are taught: 900 for junior high, and 900 for senior high (starting in grade 10)."
< 1420368620 506312 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's latin
< 1420368637 852559 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... i see
< 1420368663 410117 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: "Only Latin capital letters A to Z (U+0041..U+0056), ASCII digits (U+0030..U+0039), U+0020 space, and U+002D hyphen-minus occur in character names."
< 1420368701 454585 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such privileges
< 1420368748 257986 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I thought the allowed selection was a bit larger,
< 1420368748 646690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should tell those folks about unicode
< 1420368751 200811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 2015
< 1420368754 890161 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, all iso-646 invariant printable characters
< 1420368755 743921 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unicode, chapter 4.8)
< 1420368763 720633 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ehe
< 1420368765 439964 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically commas or slashes cuold appear
< 1420368768 655440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hmm, is that a statement of what is /allowed/ or just what happens to be true?
< 1420368780 690714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think at least one more character actually appears, let me look it up
< 1420368801 52922 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: looks like a hard rule to me.
< 1420368830 980142 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a rule for subcommittees.
< 1420368884 916523 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's even any systematic way of enumerating the han characters by shape
< 1420368887 223844 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway i see now reason then why 漢 could not be CJ UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH HAN
< 1420368973 519675 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: there is the tried and true radical/stroke number system but it doesn't really work for simplified characters 
< 1420368985 7274 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: shape? _shape_? the shape isn't what determines the characters, it's the historical fluff loaded on it. that's true even for latin. O and О are different characters even if they have the same shape.
< 1420368986 881628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CJ UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH COMPOSED OF RADICAL WITH TWO SHORT DOWNWARD DIAGONAL STROKES ABOVE A LONG UPWARD DIAGONAL STROKE AND RADICAL GOD WHAT A MESS
< 1420369026 451580 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as expected, it should be by the meaning
< 1420369078 487424 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most han ideographs are uniquely determined by shape
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< 1420369090 729120 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{Oren}]: but the meaning can change, and you can't ever be sure what meanings a character will get that all languages that will ever be transcribed with kanji in the future um I've got this sentence tangled up
< 1420369098 96931 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: not the unified ones, that's the point
< 1420369152 440469 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: of course, the unified ones (that unify different characters from simplified chinese, traditional chinese, and japanese) are a historical artifact that should never have happened (the reason was that they only had the space for about 65536 characters)
< 1420369189 656983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode OО
< 1420369190 489975 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+004F LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O] [U+041E CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER O]
< 1420369207 763257 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode is far from futureproof anyway
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< 1420369216 526125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if they'd done latin-cyrillic greek unification
< 1420369221 717740 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{Oren}]: sure, there are mistakes and even plain typos in the character names
< 1420369223 552462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-
< 1420369246 650626 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i have done that in a font for a game
< 1420369257 348090 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think that would have been pointless. there's only like one character you can share with greek (o) and about two or three you can share with cyrillic
< 1420369264 833704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere out there is a parallel universe where china invented the internet and they did just that.
< 1420369294 166169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh hm well if you have to keep upper and lower case together...
< 1420369329 490702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine this system being made by completely culture-ignorant chinese
< 1420369331 771891 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if china was more powerful then japan and taiwan would just have to make due with simplified characters
< 1420369345 561841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they unify latin P with russian R
< 1420369347 288833 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, admittedly that's already sort of fucked up with the turkish i and the two different cyrillic lowercase shapes
< 1420369370 770542 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's just no easy solution for those, some software really has to know about the details to handle those
< 1420369434 470219 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I was wrong, indeed all character names use only those characters
< 1420369450 518587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how much internationalized software out there _actually_ handles russian numbers correctly
< 1420369468 441665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: russian numbers? what?
< 1420369495 211002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course most software handles internationalized anything wrong
< 1420369508 209363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: this isn't a character issue, but combining a number and a noun in russian has at least 5 different inflection combinations
< 1420369554 62820 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most software don't even handle 1 languages correctly
< 1420369558 397828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to know how to inflect the nouns
< 1420369559 890445 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dunno, ask ais523, he's the one who's worked on that kind of crazy phrase making software. well, some of my colleagues have too.
< 1420369570 809265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he has?
< 1420369603 375517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not Russian in particular, but he's started to wrote a branch of nethack4 called grammartree, currently sleeping, that tries to handle translation well in general
< 1420369626 951250 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also improving messages in English, which is no easy task beacuse nethack's handling of English is quite good already most of the times
< 1420369633 374623 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though there are small mistakes)
< 1420369673 986146 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it turns out grammartree was too large a task so he's concentrating on other stuff instead, and the trunk has drifted far enough that grammartree is not even easy to merge I think
< 1420369689 161900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, the basics of grammartree might be helpful, it seems to be some ultra-general system thingy
< 1420369689 433973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mainly i'm thinking of this because the yesod web framework in haskell has a documentation page on internationalization, and mentions the russian problem as something you want an advanced system for, but does _not_ show that (or anything similarly complicated) as an actual code example
< 1420369730 94536 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: have you checked if icu has code for this russian numbers thing? they have some sort of number formatting stuff
< 1420369743 82288 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting fact: because Shift-JIS encodes greek and russian with two bytes, these characters are displayed wide on Japanese fonts
< 1420369752 678474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i don't even do this kind of coding myself, so no
< 1420369763 567023 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and no interface for finding the date of Easter in their calendar handling, it seems)
< 1420369785 546006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{Oren}]: yeah, crazy historical stuff
< 1420369807 61928 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{Oren}]: that's where the weird single width kana come from
< 1420369812 867033 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact they even decided that 2 bytes = wide character is crazy
< 1420369846 562208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{Oren}]: Are you sure it is really crazy? It make a few sense to me.
< 1420369854 953144 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{Oren}]: oh come on, that does make sense. think of teletext, where the color changing codes take up a column, so that it can be decoded by very simple circuits
< 1420369876 776042 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could guarantee that strlen is the width of the string...
< 1420369883 391655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The part of Shift-JIS which is bad is that it sometimes interferes with ASCII characters.
< 1420369892 882969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, 2 bytes = wide character is not bad.
< 1420369896 727584 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(teletext also has different and incompatible codepages, so if you're watching with the television made for the wrong country, you'll see garbled accented characters. that happens with some old basic-based personal computers too.)
< 1420369978 778949 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from http://userguide.icu-project.org/formatparse/numbers I think it doesn't handle that
< 1420369987 996738 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not fully I mean
< 1420370001 225819 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may have a way to format numbers with different inflections
< 1420370030 446486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :here in norway, teletext frequently shows swedish letters instead of norwegian ones
< 1420370039 114500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least used to
< 1420370161 689146 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in ö instead of ø ? or more fucked up?
< 1420370180 766642 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, I mean Ö instead of Ø
< 1420370187 866567 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lowercase letters... what was I thinking)
< 1420370193 627480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1420370210 262192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :noticeable but not a real problem
< 1420370264 587505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do modern television receivers handle all that correctly? I mean, they're certainly technically capable to store all the different codepages and use the right one.
< 1420370312 507797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i'm going to suspect that their ORDINAL rule cannot even handle romance languages (something like 1a vs. 1o dependent on gender)
< 1420370354 900561 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear from my brother that Swedish-speaking doctors in Norway sometimes dictate medical texts in Swedish and their secretary types them translated to Norwegian on the fly. 
< 1420370369 222875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1420370418 753037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do doctors even have secretaries these days.
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< 1420370440 574197 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: assistants. and not all of them have them of course, just some, so this isn't universal.
< 1420370462 626648 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the texts doctors write have very few ordinary words, it's mostly medical jargon and abbreviations, so I imagine translating it isn't difficult.
< 1420370578 735939 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dad once translated a bulgarian math paper into russian. he has very little knowledge of wither language
< 1420370580 251402 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they certainly have assistants because there are too few doctors but enough assistants.
< 1420370626 956705 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{Oren}]: yes, math is like that too. it's much easier to learn to read english or french or german or russian math papers than to really learn those languages. the vocabulary is small.
< 1420370628 344619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once translated an english medical text into norwegian for my aunt
< 1420370659 434484 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days most of the papers are English or Chinese, so I never really had to learn that skill, but still.
< 1420370728 445090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :western scientists are going to be so hosed when chinese really takes off as a scientific language
< 1420370753 458736 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nah, quite a lot of the papers they write are worthless
< 1420370761 930108 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the papers they write in chinese that is
< 1420370769 2392 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese scientists could read both
< 1420370777 623701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: by taking off, i mean in quality as well, of course
< 1420370783 586237 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe
< 1420370785 768220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, can no longer be ignored
< 1420370822 404449 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but aren't math papers at that point (possibly not those in other sciences) still supposed to have a small vocabulary, so they're easy to read (even if not write)?
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< 1420370940 271431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i wasn't talking about math specifically
< 1420370974 626137 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean like biologists? They might be more screwed, yeah
< 1420370976 649854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i still think chinese would be worse; with german/french you can still recognize all the latin/greek-derived words in common
< 1420370988 33297 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it would be somewhat worse
< 1420371036 422291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*far* worse, if you can never guess what a word means...
< 1420371046 818626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from its form
< 1420371059 30551 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to guess. look it up in a dictionary. come on, we're living on the internet age.
< 1420371067 163452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...fair point.
< 1420371087 440896 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers are already making finding and reading research papers much easier in many ways. 
< 1420371089 299982 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully some of those improved-quality publications concern automatic translation
< 1420371217 388010 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, nearly all computer science publications worth reading are written in english
< 1420371307 903002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose when you're already using an english-based programming language...
< 1420371322 285890 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and english based libraries
< 1420371377 36149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: meh, I don't care much about computer science publications. 
< 1420371560 169667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the rule in Magic: the Gathering if the type of a creature being haunted changes into something that isn't a creature?
< 1420371585 337851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O wait, now I see.
< 1420371588 753824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind
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< 1420372140 912995 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's such a rule? I think the haunting continues to work
< 1420372186 646824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a general rule that effects saying things like "that creature" referencing an object selected earlier still work even if the referenced object is no longer of that type
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< 1420372290 342045 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though of course some particular effects could have specific rules overriding this
< 1420373060 161429 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, rule 702.54b clarifies it so that is how I already saw
< 1420373080 934455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The haunting does continue to work.
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< 1420373661 557691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see the new cards I made in newmtg.txt? Now I added some, such as "Hide Attackers".
< 1420373745 704012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is an instant with Ninjutsu; that is pretty strange, isn't it?)
< 1420373800 384363 :rade!~rade@unaffiliated/rade JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420373832 517950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that Vigilance does not prevent a card with Ninjutsu from coming into play tapped.
< 1420373864 826277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also assume that Defender does not prevent Ninjutsu from working.
< 1420374333 288371 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what newmtg.txt?
< 1420374595 703419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/newmtg.txt
< 1420374785 964240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any Magic: the Puzzling that invokes rule 514.3a?
< 1420374967 329309 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, wait a minute, which rule is that, do I even have a copy of the latest version of the rules?
< 1420374991 442267 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These rules are effective as of June 1, 2014." -- that's old
< 1420375010 9363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the rule that allows players to have priority during a cleanup step if state-based or triggers occur at that time.
< 1420375035 974308 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I've heared of that rule, yes
< 1420375136 92063 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These rules are effective as of September 25, 2014." - better
< 1420375146 972131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's what 514.3a says
< 1420375362 682900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: here's what I was wondering. would it be sane for white to have a counterspell like this: name: Fair Duel. mana cost: 1W. type: Instant. abilities: Cast Fair Duel only during combat.  Counter target spell.
< 1420375392 933514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. It looks like OK to me, but I don't know.
< 1420375421 118175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will add it anyways for now.
< 1420375451 92109 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Losing the game due to being unable to draw a card is now part of the definition of drawing a card (rather than a state-based action), and occurs immediately, before state-based actions are checked.” - oh, sounds like a good change!
< 1420375484 750888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are cards too, not only rules in there!
< 1420375567 511926 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Loyalty abilities have {T} as part of their cost.” - what? wouldn't that make the middle ability of Gideon, Champion of Justice very difficult to use effectively?
< 1420375611 943483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1420375639 543529 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently Khans has another similar planeswalker: Sharkan, the Dragonspeaker
< 1420375668 931475 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even without this, what purpose would that change serve?
< 1420375674 244619 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I deleted that paragraph now.
< 1420375684 827844 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1420375788 769540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You may want to reload; I don't know if you have the newest version with other minor changes too.)
< 1420375853 162025 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, Aether Hack sounds scary
< 1420375878 158542 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it let me change -1/-1 counters to +2/+2 counters? or whatever is the best counter in existance
< 1420375882 475823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No!
< 1420375905 494537 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only references to named (not +X/+X and -X/-X) counters can be changed.
< 1420375965 589327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added that clarification.
< 1420376001 654837 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+2/+2 and -2/-2 seems to be the best)
< 1420376005 893131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you change to poison counters?
< 1420376009 995874 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1420376024 694882 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it helps much, because players barely get other counters
< 1420376064 447787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, exactly that.
< 1420376126 698136 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can't change _from_ -1/-1 counters either?
< 1420376130 119501 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1420376134 598859 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it says "named counter" now
< 1420376219 107010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is correct it can't change _from_ -1/-1 or +1/+1 counters either.
< 1420376326 628298 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what cards are there that refer to any type of counter, besides Aether Snap, Clockspinning, and Giant Fan?
< 1420376358 413916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it cannot change counters that are already on a permanent, although it may partially or fully stop those counters from working.
< 1420376389 11396 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but it can make a spell enter the battlefield with the wrong type of counters
< 1420376426 483752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it can, in some cases.
< 1420376430 35864 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, a super-strong Searchlight that adds to each player's mana pool? weird
< 1420376452 607108 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Change Designation - um, doesn't this break some sort of rules?
< 1420376461 659539 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus it might be hard to track because it doesn't time out
< 1420376471 817217 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at least it's an aura
< 1420376472 996149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still
< 1420376489 748042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does expire when the aura is removed (or its ability is removed).
< 1420376494 638784 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1420376506 510584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of rules is it breaking exactly?
< 1420376512 893635 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, let me think
< 1420376530 443597 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might not break any
< 1420376543 743938 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can mostly already change names with copy effects
< 1420376569 294725 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets you double Legendary creatures under the same control of course,
< 1420376580 627543 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or help or hinder Echoing spells
< 1420376586 586060 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not rules breakage
< 1420376613 798779 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biovisionary… what the heck is this? is that card for real?
< 1420376626 920560 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1420376651 191039 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simic at its best
< 1420376775 847335 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it might let you get Kaldra a bit earlier, but that's also no problem
< 1420376969 360179 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diligent Farmhand … what the heck? do cards like that really exist?
< 1420376973 453463 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find strange things
< 1420377211 46514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1420377244 294890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420377314 716999 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck...
< 1420377433 478887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see
< 1420377666 971316 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420377720 161560 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck, there's an aura in Fallen Empires that gives a creature the homarid abilities? 
< 1420377723 637767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1420377743 320986 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, technically it doesn't)
< 1420377876 417866 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"{(3/R)}" - now really
< 1420377879 396474 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be confusing
< 1420378375 341537 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control Yourself -- a bit narrow, but could work against Lure abilities, or possibly on cards with activated abilities an opponent can play
< 1420378394 700616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although maybe the name should be changed too
< 1420378403 512135 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Clergy of the Holy Nimbus
< 1420378416 898970 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that undamagable stone lion thing
< 1420378438 906705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is some of the uses of this card.
< 1420378487 401591 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically it could also protect you if you're going to be mindslaved
< 1420378517 906790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Aether Storm
< 1420378526 682709 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, it doesn't help for that
< 1420378533 491792 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much at least
< 1420378652 661825 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that lion thing is Glittering Lion
< 1420378717 121463 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe also "must attack" creatures, there are a lot of those
< 1420378728 202987 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or "must block")
< 1420378839 548341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1420378943 634297 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corrupt Council - what the... how does this work? Basically, if you activate its ability, then you want to vote "yes", and then the opponent may have him draw a card in exchange for you drawing three cards?
< 1420378951 762307 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus some lifegain.
< 1420378965 678897 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have extra votes or something.
< 1420379013 809914 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is how it works. But I don't know possibly the costs should be changed?
< 1420379025 189176 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea
< 1420379095 773946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I fixed it so that whoever win a vote has to pay {1} before gaining 1 life and/or drawing 1 card.
< 1420379128 624293 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diamond of Many Colors - why does this say "All mana in your mana pool is changed into a single color of your choice." rather than "Change all mana in your mana pool into a single color of your choice."?
< 1420379149 842782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could change the wording if that would help.
< 1420379188 610983 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though this seems somewhat inefficient to me, and I'd rarely use it over that shaman guy
< 1420379207 368911 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the snake shaman
< 1420379221 88815 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orochi Leafcaller
< 1420379252 991188 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I would like more tools for coloring mana infinitely, but this seems underpowered to me
< 1420379320 203615 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa... Emblegoyf gets +1/+1 for each object in the command zone... wait a minute
< 1420379341 719915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that get like 20/20 if there's a pack of Archenemy schemes there?
< 1420379360 474698 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you play it in Archenemy, that's guaranteed
< 1420379365 659256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, probably the cost is too low
< 1420379376 659522 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the problem is that you can't cost it correctly
< 1420379386 882587 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in archenemy, it's always a 20/20 creature
< 1420379388 654894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that it maybe it should be banned, or apply only to emblems
< 1420379441 267333 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are emblems even objects?
< 1420379474 154849 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they are objects
< 1420379474 715028 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1420379499 313855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly only face-up objects.
< 1420379518 126255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are emblems even face up?
< 1420379547 918273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the rule is, but I assume it is if it isn't face-down.
< 1420379559 625500 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, whatever
< 1420379612 373642 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Energy Conversation ... hmm, this is funny
< 1420379679 669573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now changed it to "non-face-down object"
< 1420379780 915478 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Epicize is scary, but it has a high cost
< 1420379843 614177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it can be removed with Disenchant.
< 1420379863 721772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't it makes games boring and non-interactive once you cast it?
< 1420379893 444705 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that deck I made that quickly gains me infinite life but then takes its sweet time to wait until the opponents are decked
< 1420379901 328666 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tries to refill my library
< 1420379902 292359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can still do stuff other than cast spells.
< 1420379906 840944 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure
< 1420379917 141201 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my opponents can still do stuff other than damage me
< 1420379938 175325 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can try to counter my stuff that refills my library, which is the most effective tactics but only because that part of my deck sucked,
< 1420379977 360630 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder, what spells of your own can it be worth to cast Epicize?
< 1420380126 676223 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, a 2/2 creature with flying, trample, first strike costing any two different colors of mana, isn't that a bit overpowered in a two-colored deck?
< 1420380159 638294 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey! I was serious about the exact text of Fair Duel
< 1420380163 440233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has affinity for lands too though
< 1420380195 422976 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Angelic Favor says "Cast Angelic Favor only during combat."
< 1420380198 701246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the text this should have too
< 1420380216 135906 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I fixed Fair Duel except that it refers to itself using a tilde.
< 1420380216 857090 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "Can be used only during", that makes it look like some old card back before sane templating
< 1420380225 221611 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :better, thanks
< 1420380239 20520 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh wait, you mean the affinity is mandatory
< 1420380250 993354 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I have five lands it can only get one +1/+1 counter?\
< 1420380251 914949 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whos
< 1420380269 477075 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky
< 1420380277 400124 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, then it might be not so overpowered
< 1420380280 221284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I believe affinity is mandatory.
< 1420380284 45971 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting construction
< 1420380406 892239 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fast Aging ... what's that good for? countering permanents that already have cumulative upkeep?
< 1420380491 15167 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing it is capable of doing is allow its controller to sacrifice it during their upkeep if they do not want that card anymore, even if it does not already have cumulative upkeep.
< 1420380499 549817 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hex Shield - that's like an improved Diplomatic Immunity?
< 1420380538 522051 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is like that.
< 1420380624 348423 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Human Supremacy Corporation, the template should be "This ability may be activated by any player." instead of "Can be used by anyone."
< 1420380638 129790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1420380649 904444 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "Any player may activate this ability."
< 1420380651 446108 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1420380655 425074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1420380690 68159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next card I also fixed in the same way.
< 1420380799 873160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Instant Infection can target spells or non-creature permanents... interesting
< 1420380833 506877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I target a spell, does it keep that ability if that spell resolves to a permanent? my guess is no, but I'm not sure about the rules
< 1420380846 593744 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait
< 1420380848 140820 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it does
< 1420380855 914425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it does; an object moving from the stack into play doesn't reset.
< 1420380858 678577 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the Lace rule
< 1420380872 117620 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, no
< 1420380879 85034 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does reset, but there's a large exception I think
< 1420380888 459880 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it keeps some of its characteristic changes 
< 1420380889 905586 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1420380891 877651 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look it up
< 1420380934 642240 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule 400.7a
< 1420380938 3409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know, let me look it up too, but I thought at least it didn't used to reset in some version of the rules? I'm not sure
< 1420380951 243985 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"400.7a Effects from spells, activated abilities, and triggered abilities that change the characteristics of a permanent spell on the stack continue to apply to the permanent that spell becomes."
< 1420380955 185852 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it keeps infect
< 1420380956 737142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes that's correct.
< 1420381010 522812 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think there's a rule somewhere that face down spells resolve face down
< 1420381030 577977 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to a face down permanent
< 1420381039 749073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1420381060 524155 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knowledge Enforcer - hmm, a reverse magpie
< 1420381081 238823 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-raobhtcwznuoiuxa JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420381104 589081 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Budget14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41591&oldid=41560 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+162) 10You're right
< 1420381108 288305 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Landscape Formation - ah, this is that one you were asking about
< 1420381157 293498 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't dare to call it "Yo Mama So Fat He's Got His Own Postal Code" or "Officer, I Hit Him Because I Didn't Have Enough Gas To Drive Around Him"
< 1420381170 68338 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could still put that in the flavor text
< 1420381192 284617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those names are silly and long, but yes they could be used in flavor text if anyone renders the cards.
< 1420381212 61034 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course, different renders can have different flavor text and/or different art.)
< 1420381249 828858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magical Armory - what the, can you even have a non-equipment just gain equip?
< 1420381267 5161 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10deleted "[[02Budget10]]": Off topic and uninteresting
< 1420381287 674994 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think you can
< 1420381289 87030 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, strange
< 1420381305 600232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules do not seem to prohibit it.
< 1420381357 209655 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, why does Magus of Suspension have that last ability?
< 1420381364 666410 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it related to the rest?
< 1420381388 668252 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Master of the Dragons - oh no, another Old Fogey!
< 1420381411 840013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't but I put it there to allow doing more damage, but maybe it shouldn't be?
< 1420381470 907822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If Magical Armory is played on a global enchantment, I think the Equip ability is still usable but does nothing in such a case.)
< 1420381558 206907 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, maybe make it 1/2 and give it an activated switch power and toughness ability
< 1420381632 355281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1420381633 682029 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just remove it entirely and assume blue players will figure out something interesting to do with it rather than just want it to deal more damage
< 1420381646 211380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes probably that is better OK
< 1420381654 834350 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those five paragraphs don't even fit easily on a card
< 1420381665 939114 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though you could try to put the first four in the same paragraph
< 1420381683 369472 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1420381686 716252 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :suspend should be on its own
< 1420381707 985001 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about "Suspend 4 -- {U}" as the first paragraph, then "Vanishing 4, flying" as the second
< 1420381738 956528 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Master of the Dragons, don't capitalize all those abilities individually
< 1420381744 770885 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, yes it can help to do that as am abbreviation.
< 1420381775 895910 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't capitalize "Dragons" either
< 1420381792 830870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't subtypes always capitalized though?
< 1420381818 71924 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait, maybe they are
< 1420381858 33487 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it seems so from Nath's Buffoon
< 1420381864 525396 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so "Dragons" should remain capitalized
< 1420381889 784381 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and change "Usable only during your turn." to something like "Activate this ability only during your turn." 
< 1420381923 235885 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1420381991 692171 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41592&oldid=41587 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+39) 10author, links
< 1420382000 859225 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Master Switch - bringing back the old rules like Jar Jar Binks from Droidekar does? hmm
< 1420382016 766526 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what next? will you add a card with an ability that reinstates mana burn?
< 1420382033 566169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it stops working itself once its own activated ability is used
< 1420382053 584891 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... what?
< 1420382061 904320 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it does
< 1420382074 664193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it says it only works while untapped
< 1420382079 737858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1420382080 527963 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1420382093 544659 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I don't know how this would work
< 1420382114 894483 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Yearcats14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41593&oldid=38196 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+26) 10Update
< 1420382142 838188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you have two then you can turn off one artifact.
< 1420382237 894141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modular Aura - interesting, that's a bit similar to Vigeaqn Hydropon
< 1420382368 65567 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moon Monolith - hehe, so you'll have to remember which handful of cards are errataed to have color indicators? (Evermind, the suspend spells with no mana costs, Dryad Arbor I think)
< 1420382410 836360 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Painful Markings - whoa.... interesting, though I'm not sure it should be red
< 1420382434 80774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could change the mana cost if it help to do so.
< 1420382459 617616 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure what color it should be really
< 1420382478 628518 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to fit anywhere
< 1420382574 346727 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personal Guard - wait what? how is a personal guard too slow to jump in front of a bullet? that's now how they work in Hollywood films
< 1420382652 953864 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't having to pay {1W} enough of a restriction to activate that ability reacting to a surprise?
< 1420382681 815016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably you are correct.
< 1420382742 587945 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even in such case you can still react during declare attackers/declare blockers step if the stack is empty.
< 1420382755 992006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but not for a Lightning Bolt
< 1420382764 434141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a javelin or arrow
< 1420382781 201144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is correct.
< 1420382800 751272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For now I just changed the cost to {1} but later may make other changes.
< 1420382817 418631 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scroll of Cryptic Runes - "Put target spell into play" - hehehe
< 1420382838 252126 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Vigil14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41594&oldid=41580 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+80) 10wikify a bit
< 1420382953 783171 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, can you paly that card with its madness ability if the stack isn't empty?
< 1420382983 867951 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Vigil14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41595&oldid=41594 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-5) 10On second thought, I don't think it fits our definition of "joke language"
< 1420382988 923555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I believe madness allows it.
< 1420382993 974265 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420383027 507467 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41596&oldid=41574 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+12) 10/* V */ Add Vigil
< 1420383029 983273 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, stupid question
< 1420383035 443749 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it does allow
< 1420383074 106452 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Scroll of Protection" - hmm, I have a crazy card with protection somewhere
< 1420383080 828236 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, not with protection
< 1420383086 372532 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one that gives protection
< 1420383090 693378 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. wtf. OK, trying to write an actual application in F# now, and I'm suddenly understanding why everyone hates writing code on MS platforms ...
< 1420383095 353058 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :always wear protection
< 1420383118 878812 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420383306 292010 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to write a simple script that reads some text files and then outputs another text file, but apparently even predicting the current directory of an F# script/executable is non-trivial.
< 1420383323 980190 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1420383367 658000 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was something like an aura that gives every creature protection from the enchanted permanent.
< 1420383368 606398 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Script files default to a Windows temp directory, and executables build to a nested subfolder deep in the bowels of the project.
< 1420383398 765638 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and of course, script files and source files have completely different behaviors when it comes to a main function. So that's fun.
< 1420383461 906779 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Staff of Kicking" - how is this a staff rather than boots?
< 1420383492 990083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is staff with boots on it; it is not equipment so it is not boots.
< 1420383505 717837 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stone of Interruption - what
< 1420383546 435270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you even activate that ability while there's a split second spell on the stack?
< 1420383597 482252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Split second doesn't stop mana abilities from being used.
< 1420383611 349037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah!
< 1420383619 145009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This ability meets the criteria for being a mana ability, therefore it can be used.
< 1420383621 955033 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppress Quality - how does this affect landwalk?
< 1420383659 65310 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does "not choosing any parameters" mean?
< 1420383660 411039 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Causes all landwalk abilities to be lost.
< 1420383676 493683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means you have to choose Landwalk, you can't choose Forestwalk or Swampwalk or whatever.
< 1420383681 874463 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh!
< 1420383690 369394 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use Protection, but not Protection from red or whatever like that.
< 1420383712 749893 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then put a comma before it, or possibly even rewrite it to more readable
< 1420383729 345957 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it would apply only to parameterless keyword abilities like flying or trample, not parametered ones like enchant
< 1420383733 207675 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it could be rewritten but I am not quite sure how.
< 1420383755 30662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this works like that Wall thingy
< 1420383765 882746 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rolling Stones
< 1420383771 759621 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only better because it can destroy all auras
< 1420383791 458129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its cost is so high because it can do so many things.
< 1420383795 283504 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiny Shard - what?
< 1420383841 539617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ability does nothing when it resolves.
< 1420383851 538606 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, then maybe write that explicitly
< 1420383894 657646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1420383925 743514 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totem Weakness - nice
< 1420383949 360771 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of those auras that you can play for your own or an opponent's monster
< 1420383968 555249 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Triangle of Protection - NO WAY!
< 1420384044 624831 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1420384054 609854 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might work, I dunno, but it's scary
< 1420384094 875953 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially at such a low cost
< 1420384116 235756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I thought maybe it should be increased, but I don't know how much.
< 1420384151 540223 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unearthed Arcana - again what
< 1420384156 722582 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that good for?
< 1420384175 333109 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how is it better than the same thing without splice?
< 1420384176 359168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Splicing other cards onto it mainly, I suppose.
< 1420384186 593399 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1420384187 351255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1420384196 672394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :splicing stuff on it... yes, that might work
< 1420384222 990391 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thuogh we have better cards for that, like Reach Through Mists
< 1420384234 627301 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why does it have the splice ability?
< 1420384239 179056 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that help it?
< 1420384251 783148 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arcane helps you splice stuff on it, or lets you trigger stuff
< 1420384255 80661 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but splice why?
< 1420384264 175484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly something might do something with that, even if no such card currently exists, I don't know for sure.
< 1420384380 367347 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Universal Salvation - nice
< 1420384389 169910 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420384403 372886 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wall of Attachment - doesn't seem very useful, but whatever
< 1420384426 883814 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait
< 1420384430 626432 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be useful
< 1420384435 252899 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1420384445 926869 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it is useful or not
< 1420384526 116067 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wall of Demons - seems not very efficient to me
< 1420384557 449318 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least some people still like walls, even walls with power. wizards seems to have stopped printing them.
< 1420384617 584489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for sharing these cards
< 1420384630 701085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1420384732 81734 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10deleted "[[02Trinary10]]": Obsolete redirect
< 1420384912 884431 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420384936 319867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later I might write some more, but, not right now!
< 1420384942 770603 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they reprint Wall of Wood over Steel Wall
< 1420384981 418803 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Larry Wall
< 1420386648 576901 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1420387169 620735 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc -Wall
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< 1420389679 999694 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-92-1.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1420389947 93100 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@87.228.105.48 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420389947 476007 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@87.228.105.48 QUIT :Changing host
< 1420389947 519284 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420390298 27627 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420391037 97079 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1420391093 443331 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420391162 966581 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420391328 829048 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB
< 1420391329 385829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 041700Z 08015G21KT 3SM -FZRA -SN OVC020 M08/M10 A2970 RMK SN2SC6 PRESFR SLP062
< 1420391713 737801 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420392286 748052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy -FZRA -SN day to you, too.
< 1420392295 103889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1420392295 429651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 041720Z VRB04KT 4100 BR FEW002 SCT003 BKN004 03/02 Q1036 NOSIG
< 1420392305 208659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what BR means.
< 1420392332 131852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But those are some pretty low clouds.)
< 1420392379 721607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :BR is apparently mist, due to what is undoubtedly a perfectly logical reason.
< 1420392441 96713 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it's from the french word for mist
< 1420392441 596232 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EDDL
< 1420392442 435215 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EDDL 041720Z 25005KT 9999 FEW020 03/01 Q1035 NOSIG
< 1420392443 868026 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BR is French «brouillard».
< 1420392460 255148 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellolsner. you ninjaed me.
< 1420392480 857749 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1420392550 865723 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recalled a shorter word though, something like brume
< 1420392707 756171 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. hm. mistake on my part. sorry.
< 1420392718 634220 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BR is «brume», which is “mist”.
< 1420392730 139305 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(«brouillard» is “fog”.)
< 1420392813 733164 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, according to the wikipédias, the terms refer to similar meteorological phenomenons, and are used differently depending on context.
< 1420392961 272693 :kcm1700_!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1420393190 345384 :^v!~^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420393193 273540 :PixelToast!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:ac49:bdf3:9a7d:888 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420393194 666044 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote metar
< 1420393195 559458 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :989) <olsner> metar lead to canada, more metar and cows
< 1420393264 243881 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420393882 991572 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote field of cows
< 1420393883 619129 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420393890 884940 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote field full of cows
< 1420393891 363384 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420393894 463088 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote cows
< 1420393894 951968 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :401) <Taneb> Look, I often walk my dog through a field with cows in it. And I punched myself in the face once. \ 989) <olsner> metar lead to canada, more metar and cows \ 995) <Bike> man at least job applications in biosciences are just like "you are willing to put your arms through a cow"  <kmc> Bike: please send us a link to your CowHub profile o
< 1420393910 911549 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted that first one
< 1420393931 912069 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Taneb.*?cows
< 1420393932 586882 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :401) <Taneb> Look, I often walk my dog through a field with cows in it. And I punched myself in the face once.
< 1420393939 792916 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh
< 1420393940 331393 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh, regexpes!
< 1420393943 624194 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not know you could do that
< 1420393949 239165 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither did I.
< 1420393994 570664 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote through a cow
< 1420393995 397313 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :995) <Bike> man at least job applications in biosciences are just like "you are willing to put your arms through a cow"  <kmc> Bike: please send us a link to your CowHub profile of cows you have previously put your arms through on your own time for fun  <Bike> please provide at least two zebrafish you have modified to glow in the dark
< 1420394422 967668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1420394439 599805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a grep.
< 1420394545 395549 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.89.252 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420395105 567035 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily!
< 1420395252 15663 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia!
< 1420395267 682796 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: egrep or pgrep?
< 1420395279 744262 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat bin/quote
< 1420395280 306551 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ allquotes | if [ "$1" ]; then \     if expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>&1; then \         sed "$1q;d" \     else \         grep -P -i -- "$1" \     fi \ else shuf -n 1; fi
< 1420395289 697059 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ah, pgrep.)
< 1420395301 532232 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sure havent been on steam in a long time mr. cuttle
< 1420395336 110730 :david8956!~canaima@186-92-6-9.genericrev.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420395345 583158 :david8956!~canaima@186-92-6-9.genericrev.cantv.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1420395354 714589 :david8956!~canaima@186-92-6-9.genericrev.cantv.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helo
< 1420395384 824815 :david8956!~canaima@186-92-6-9.genericrev.cantv.net PART :#esoteric
< 1420395409 160540 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: >_>;...
< 1420395489 278092 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it work? work is too busy?
< 1420395523 545511 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. and tomorrow it starts again. bleh.
< 1420395603 128477 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah same here
< 1420395613 743 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a better job
< 1420395615 330050 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1420395635 529432 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know a job with benefits and normal hours
< 1420395713 92865 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hours are normal here, and always within standard deviation.
< 1420395713 436583 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :random coder job? if you don't end up having to do overtime, that is
< 1420395776 79574 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sure
< 1420395804 912958 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily what is the stdev of hours there?
< 1420395822 753277 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are you sure they arent skewed left?
< 1420395893 130429 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1420395992 563758 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: a workday amounts to 7.5 hours (contract definition), but longest I've had was 9, I believe.
< 1420396012 456195 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(previous job was much worse. personal record was 14 hours straight, on a Saturday.)
< 1420396015 680492 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shortest?
< 1420396042 24346 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :without appointments and similar, 7 I think?
< 1420396117 164349 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how often is it 7 and how often is it 9?
< 1420396215 892648 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've had a bout of light workload after the big Major Release, and heavy duty just before that.
< 1420396270 316775 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not many people overtimed like crazy. I did a few days because I self-inflicted some stupid bright ideas on myself... in the end it did work out and saved the company a non-homeopathic amount of money, but never again.)
< 1420396304 99494 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1420396310 781597 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1420396319 932203 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about me man
< 1420396326 44072 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you man?
< 1420396328 439363 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :got anything for me?
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< 1420396387 612787 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're always open to people who can make their way with Java and/or C++, know linear algebra, and French.
< 1420396388 208700 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420396491 384851 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that last one is a deal breaker. i havent the froggiedt how to frenxh
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< 1420396745 683805 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :p
< 1420396924 195397 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :frenxhp?
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< 1420397005 583684 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.213 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1420397209 709515 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1420397534 660490 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg PRIVMSG #esoteric :klb n,. 
< 1420397591 884745 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg PRIVMSG #esoteric :... sorry, cat thought the best path to the other side of the couch was across my computer
< 1420397752 655854 :[{Oren}]!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1420397798 483462 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{Helloren}]
< 1420398153 533058 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orbyen?
< 1420399502 878023 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Crewjony 5*  10New user account
< 1420399596 233919 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Crewjony14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41597 5* 03Crewjony 5* (+74) 10Created page with "0x29A is an esoteric programming language, invented by David Lewis in 2004"
< 1420399677 610007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420399780 549915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a strange.
< 1420399802 608891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's the captcha question.
< 1420399856 789809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it's a spambot
< 1420399866 431140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :desperately looking for anything apparently relevant to put on the page
< 1420400566 364943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode smiley face
< 1420400567 304953 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420400568 964003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1420400582 240432 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody could make unicode captchas
< 1420400607 698304 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you have to enter the exact name of the character according to unicode
< 1420400617 87554 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode small rectangle
< 1420400617 850304 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420400622 129998 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode rectangle
< 1420400622 949775 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2327 X IN A RECTANGLE BOX \ UTF-8: e2 8c a7  UTF-16BE: 2327  Decimal: &#8999; \ ⌧ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \  \ U+25AC BLACK RECTANGLE \ UTF-8: e2 96 ac  UTF-16BE: 25ac  Decimal: &#9644; \ ▬ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \  \ U+25AD WHITE RECTANGLE \ UTF-8: e2 96 ad  UTF-16BE: 25a
< 1420400657 250861 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sorry, your answer 'X IN A RECTANGLE' was wrong."
< 1420401366 174282 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, your answer 'invisible plus' was wrong.
< 1420401903 10702 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make up a character and a name, and it has to get accepted into Unicode
< 1420402199 116558 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1420402331 597461 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, GIRAFFE WEARING ROLLERBLADES EMOJI
< 1420402372 166035 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it doesn't look like a giraffe wearing rollerblades, I think we can conclude you're not human
< 1420403941 681984 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1420404879 393261 :graue!~graue@kali.infestationgardens.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420404922 980622 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1420405720 903441 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any golfy way to swap the first two elements of a haskell list?
< 1420405773 176420 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: swapHeads (x1:x2:xs) = x2:x1:xs; swapHeads xs = xs ?
< 1420405785 541002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that was pretty much what I was going to write
< 1420405794 893268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with a 1-letter name because it's golfed ;-)
< 1420405946 77860 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1420407231 760347 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-49-198.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420407313 278656 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-49-198.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1420408075 235677 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kivbkivrnmvsjmnu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420408879 576086 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kivbkivrnmvsjmnu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh yeah FreeFull 
< 1420408905 343260 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kivbkivrnmvsjmnu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although this was yesterday and I have no furthur need to talk about it
< 1420409400 513665 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: HAPAX CHICKEN
< 1420409496 301346 :graue!~graue@kali.infestationgardens.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1420410303 583327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2014
< 1420410304 218044 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420410969 145178 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2016
< 1420410969 689601 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 2016: not found
< 1420411525 416516 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did you forget what year it was
< 1420411532 740061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no
< 1420411535 528060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making sure it's still working
< 1420411555 919815 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could it concievably not work?
< 1420412273 297041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1420413085 754222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw, I mised graue
< 1420413089 293080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed
< 1420413090 467195 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think LSL poisoned my brain
< 1420413114 765952 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to do Javascript. Desperately avoiding global variables by abusing closures. Everything is in one large function
< 1420413174 825842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's, um... literally what idiomatic javascript does
< 1420413243 541886 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes me feel better
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< 1420413257 46922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ais523: crewjony is obviously Johny of My name is Johny, what the F**K?????
< 1420413269 446734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prophecy is coming true
< 1420413301 343913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: like, you've seen the (function () { ... })(); thing, right?
< 1420413308 412761 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1420413381 602626 :arjanb!8259aab8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.170.184 QUIT :Quit: zzz
< 1420413462 842679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wasn't that a spambot, though?
< 1420413468 29389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, did you ever write that language?
< 1420413488 975947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you clearly have no understanding of the scriptures
< 1420413498 242900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language can only be created by johny himself
< 1420413782 62880 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1420413872 628158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: finally it all makes sense
< 1420414035 30149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> desperately looking for anything apparently relevant to put on the page <-- it's the spambot of the beast hth
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< 1420419308 848955 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420419563 187449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a card with Storm targets spells, can it target the spell it is a copy of?
< 1420419622 69637 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1420419722 100966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=382942 does not say.
< 1420419747 236078 :boily!~alexandre@173.181.213.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so. 702.39a says that new target can be chosen, and that copies are on the stack.
< 1420420000 828658 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kivbkivrnmvsjmnu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh you guys and your games
< 1420420063 652068 :oren!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420420148 556735 :boily!~alexandre@173.181.213.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: it's not a game.
< 1420420306 214518 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kivbkivrnmvsjmnu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you guys and your things
< 1420420318 138940 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you people
< 1420420327 699030 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kivbkivrnmvsjmnu PRIVMSG #esoteric :k that 1-up
< 1420420373 817864 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1420420438 539968 :boily!~alexandre@173.181.213.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: we're not guys. we're Canadians!
< 1420420513 204084 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kivbkivrnmvsjmnu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god the humanity!
< 1420420556 769690 :boily!~alexandre@173.181.213.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not god, it's fungot!
< 1420420556 917000 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i think c's syntax is closer to being 80 times slower. ( both sarahbot and fsbot have this problem; it always bugs me when sarahbot initiates the ai when she should be saying ' i need to
< 1420420577 583255 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kivbkivrnmvsjmnu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feints
< 1420420584 348074 :boily!~alexandre@173.181.213.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: stop being sentient.
< 1420420584 451582 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i mean (:
< 1420420590 168108 :boily!~alexandre@173.181.213.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: AAAURGH!
< 1420420590 244703 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waiting for Fungot?
< 1420420590 287942 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: not my bot!
< 1420420602 846523 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kivbkivrnmvsjmnu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1420420648 90688 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420420655 946832 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brilliant.
< 1420420666 380174 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not I want to see sarahbot and fsbot.
< 1420420714 209880 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. s/Not/Now/
< 1420420818 651730 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: btw I believe "Smiley's triangle" is a problem where the Haskell records are out of reach (55 is possible; as far as I can see, 52 requires n+k-patterns which were removed in Haskell2010)
< 1420420835 774734 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats himself for that apostrophe.
< 1420420872 799538 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are n+k-patterns?
< 1420420883 59287 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f (n+1) = n in (f 1, f 0)
< 1420420884 60349 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:8: Parse error in pattern: n + 1
< 1420420889 209352 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure if i could shorten my solution much more
< 1420420891 230792 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1420420906 759286 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why were they removed?
< 1420420912 98466 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :with NPlusKPatterns: (0,*** Exception: <interactive>:3:5-15: Non-exhaustive patterns in function f
< 1420420968 137208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :smiley's triangle?
< 1420420971 470582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1420421032 368228 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :while we are at it, are there good ways to not use unlines?
< 1420421038 665974 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes quite the space
< 1420421132 957579 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: There is no hard reason, just a general dislike for their semantics (they only match if n>=0) and lack of use. There is a compiler writer argument (they translate to a pattern that's a variable, followed by another assignment to a fesh variable and a comparison)... but by the same argument the plain N-patterns (0, 1, 2,..., -1,...) would also have to go, and those were kept because they're...
< 1420421139 62409 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...just too useful.
< 1420421161 692413 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it's not always possible, but sometimes do notation and ++"\n" are shorter.
< 1420421167 420329 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kivbkivrnmvsjmnu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1420421175 235230 :boily!~alexandre@173.181.213.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYRQ
< 1420421175 606302 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYRQ 050120Z AUTO 22014KT 3SM BR OVC003 M01/M01 A2941 RMK ICG PAST HR SLP962
< 1420421177 315064 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kivbkivrnmvsjmnu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to long for me
< 1420421193 890057 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how picky is the site about trailing newlines?
< 1420421201 591732 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: for output, mapM putStrLn  is shorter than putStr.unlines
< 1420421314 687890 :oren!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1420421315 579964 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 3 chars
< 1420421317 954251 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah
< 1420421339 208586 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it only removes trailing whitespace at the end of output; all other whitespace is critical.
< 1420421363 470714 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "a\nb" is the same as "a\nb    \n\t    " but not the same as "a \nb"
< 1420421370 627774 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1420421423 297234 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hmm, I'm guessing about the \t here.)
< 1420421424 553551 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shortened to 65
< 1420421537 858414 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: how the hell are the languages sorted?
< 1420421568 447255 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly chronologically by time of being added?
< 1420421581 602085 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1420421627 937055 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I don't know, but that would explain why Ruby comes first (the site is written in ruby after all)
< 1420421687 92372 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a bit confused sometimes
< 1420421700 788893 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is f"oo" for haskell?
< 1420421716 590574 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an application of f to "oo"?
< 1420421756 439503 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
< 1420421764 348144 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i forgot that ++ binds weaker
< 1420421847 742419 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kivbkivrnmvsjmnu PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacer bot in here s/this/replace
< 1420421850 480472 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not the order of addition. "jq" was added very recently and comes somewhere in the middle. So I don't know.
< 1420421892 302072 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :60
< 1420421943 994611 :rade!~rade@unaffiliated/rade QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1420421980 172480 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i am very confused by these mid-sized solutions
< 1420421992 406524 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not to talk about these 1157 php ones)
< 1420422020 63579 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, 492 characters in scheme
< 1420422021 773986 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on
< 1420422041 511662 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's shorter than the total output ;-)
< 1420422053 866441 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, about the half
< 1420422079 822757 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to be 9 times as large as the shortest given solution is poor
< 1420422086 39645 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the php one is probably a single print statement?
< 1420422089 890906 :boily!~alexandre@173.181.213.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exploring the limits of Kolmogorov complexity, one atrocious program at a time.
< 1420422094 651730 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: most likely
< 1420422104 880767 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how it handles php
< 1420422118 919758 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you need tags, you could just copy&paste the output and be shorter
< 1420422188 984455 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this second line really gets me
< 1420422198 9984 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::- is a pain
< 1420422207 437731 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1420422227 8945 :rade!~rade@unaffiliated/rade JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420422295 862616 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should start learning that do syntax
< 1420422309 998613 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it shorter than list comprehension?
< 1420422319 750786 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes
< 1420422351 588508 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that  do x <- foo; bar x   is the concatenation of [bar x | x <- foo]
< 1420422388 364647 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is still equally long
< 1420422430 429998 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the list comprehension is one character shorter, but you get the concatenation almost for free.
< 1420422458 287480 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(foo>>=bar  is even shorter, of course.)
< 1420422477 698116 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given i don't need the parameter named
< 1420422487 176865 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1420422527 572274 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i have problems with that do
< 1420422579 726152 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do x<-[1..];putStrLn$take x "foo" gives me a type mismatch
< 1420422589 729181 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :another use of do notation is  m@main=do n<-readLn;<something>;m
< 1420422606 383701 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw that one a lot
< 1420422621 414858 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it's actually shorter than interact
< 1420422629 679427 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: well, it'd have to be mapM putStrLn$do x<-[1..];..., and suddenly the do is not worth it anymore.
< 1420422642 471492 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: indeed
< 1420422652 402649 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i could replace the mapM using do
< 1420422664 189785 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather... putStr$do x<-[1..];take x"foo"++"\n"  still not worth it.
< 1420422672 599241 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: only in the list monad
< 1420422678 414782 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually may be
< 1420422682 250195 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, scratch that.
< 1420422695 500640 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot do mapM in do notation.
< 1420422745 962806 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1420422760 627937 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :60 should work, then
< 1420422762 194848 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But one can switch between mapM putStrLn and putStr.unlines, and the unlines is basically concatenation, which you can get "almost for free" in do notation
< 1420422770 649281 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible to predict.
< 1420422817 597494 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure if i can follow you there
< 1420422912 125828 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can show you a 55 character solution that should be very close to what you currently have, if you like
< 1420422931 316797 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not using do notation; I don't think it helps for this problem)
< 1420422942 396572 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can get to 57 but now missing newlines
< 1420422956 455136 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot get putStrLn into a do block, can i?
< 1420422973 727888 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in any useful way, for this problem
< 1420422974 627304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1420422980 897441 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad
< 1420422998 634285 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i get what you mean with the concatenation thing
< 1420423002 854347 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as far as I can see.)
< 1420423054 885199 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could show you what i have, that may be more fair
< 1420423098 838128 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. message me if you like (oerjan hates spoilers)
< 1420423123 81756 :boily!~alexandre@173.181.213.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is oerjan stalking us now?
< 1420423192 354418 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't he the one who basically reads all the log files?
< 1420423217 252464 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oerjan is almost always reading the logs
< 1420423230 839968 :boily!~alexandre@173.181.213.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1420423237 501835 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how the bots learnt about my twin
< 1420423255 173908 :boily!~alexandre@173.181.213.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION chants a few OKAYs towards the Spirit of Oerjan
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< 1420423685 918210 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kivbkivrnmvsjmnu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ni ni
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< 1420424100 264342 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if ais523 is currently at AGDQ 2015 or not
< 1420424115 257768 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is not
< 1420424123 385592 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allegedly he is involved in some way with the TASbot bit.
< 1420424123 953855 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to pokemon red?
< 1420424124 343689 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :K.
< 1420424132 599497 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It got pushed around it looks like.
< 1420424140 349682 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going after the mystery game rather than before.
< 1420424171 955263 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1420424183 971240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "no, but he's at AGDQ 2016"
< 1420424198 951856 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orly? Spiffy.
< 1420424224 962598 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Been fun finally watching that thing live.
< 1420424253 620965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's at AGDQ 99 BC
< 1420424260 554759 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1420424288 842534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see a copy of a stormed spell can copy the original, but for example could the first copy of a Flusterstorm spell target the original, the second copy target the first copy, the third copy targets the second copy, etc?
< 1420424384 641939 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: are you there?
< 1420424406 953236 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just watching on my TV.
< 1420424429 483355 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh ok
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< 1420424688 562537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is it anyway
< 1420424810 703184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it's in nowhere, virginia
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< 1420425386 699468 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the Pokemon Red TASbot demo was beautiful.
< 1420425529 829387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1420425722 644806 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1420425768 542059 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Pray tell, what was your involvement in this delight?
< 1420425791 998582 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ais523 came up with the triple takeover idea
< 1420425793 314884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the idea of breaking into an SGB
< 1420425801 152810 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1420425802 234387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when people were thinking of the game inside as the "game"
< 1420425823 625176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that was amazing
< 1420425824 398531 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the concept that made it delightful, but not really the implementation.
< 1420425833 745364 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Props though.
< 1420425835 502772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't that much involved in the implementation
< 1420425838 890137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had much more planned than that
< 1420425850 654627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of my other parts didn't make it in, either due to technical issues or because it was shortened for time
< 1420425852 866043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm fine with that
< 1420425855 419814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had the desired effect
< 1420425867 670431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I chose the game
< 1420425869 33520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sorta things?
< 1420425891 778475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how much I should reveal because they may be planning to do the whole thing later
< 1420425891 988291 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably that'll be in the bonus stream if possible.
< 1420425904 506960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't want to steal anyone else's thunder
< 1420425909 588071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was just me I'd tell you everything
< 1420425926 8964 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pokemon Red was definitely a good choice though.
< 1420425930 998525 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough.
< 1420425942 298942 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably pester you for details after the marathon. :)
< 1420425950 590625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing that was mentioned: I worked on some of the lines TASbot sent to Twitch chat, but it was so spammy nobody could actually see them
< 1420425958 333488 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pity.
< 1420425984 906122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1420425990 222988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait it actually sent messages back the other way?
< 1420425996 684006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how did it communicate them from the NES
< 1420426000 450864 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, was TASbot running the IRC connection, or was the SNES?
< 1420426010 2644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the SNES itself, we were going to until we realised that was silly
< 1420426011 890410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the tasbot
< 1420426017 10174 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough.
< 1420426029 634264 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible but probably *pretty tricky* to do from an SNES.
< 1420426044 357384 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pokemon Red is poetic, because it flipped TPP around
< 1420426052 293980 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I think it'd be much easier on an NES.
< 1420426053 561086 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I saw a could of start9s in the chat too)
< 1420426058 523218 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or Famicom)
< 1420426064 200786 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*couple
< 1420426147 353425 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really liked both the SMW and Red TASes
< 1420426164 905442 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pity that ended up being slightly buggy.
< 1420426206 357811 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I presume a very *miniscule* missync that only showed up when the SNES controller port was being used as a mildly high-speed interface?)
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< 1420426394 507366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm not 100% sure what happened, and it lasted longer than I expected
< 1420426410 89062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /think/ it was a bug that they figured out a workaround but not a fix for, but I'm not clear on it
< 1420426412 169135 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "When you play this spell, put a copy of it onto the stack for each other spell that was cast before it this turn. If the spell has any targets, you may choose new targets for any number of the copies." is poorly phrased; it leaves unclear when exactly the new targets are chosen. I /suppose/ you do that as part of putting the copy on the stack.
< 1420426430 347213 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ah.
< 1420426431 732740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it all happens at once; also, Storm is a pre-existing ability, and that's reminder text
< 1420426441 817456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a section in the rules for it specifically
< 1420426472 745531 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that is the rules text.
< 1420426493 436292 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if I can believe the mtgsalvation wiki)
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< 1420426556 564867 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the most extreme reading is that everything is put on the stack, and then you choose targets on the stack, so a spell could target a spell higher up on the stack. (but not itself...)
< 1420426766 955748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am confused about such thing too
< 1420427253 101574 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the PPT part will be re-shown in full later in the week
< 1420427305 360074 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Card: Stack Overflow. Type: Instant. Cost: 0. Text: You win the game. You may only cast this spell if there are at least 20 items (spells or abilities) on the stack. )
< 1420427369 235969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it should cost more than zero though.
< 1420427441 864110 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps s/Stack Overflow/Combo Breaker/
< 1420427447 230472 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: from the sounds of what they were saying, the cables are sufficiently bad and what they are doing is sufficiently precise that crossing cables over one another can induce electromagnetic interference enough to mess things up. So I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was something that broke it slightly
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< 1420427464 760343 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, that did happen last year too.
< 1420427469 864357 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I suspect there are ways of getting a spell on the stack without casting it.
< 1420427485 107614 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs a bit though
< 1420427505 40352 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had a root canal on Tuesday, and the really sharp toothache is back in the same tooth.
< 1420427507 956888 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1420427537 52485 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what pikhq thinks of Prismata
< 1420427543 78908 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No idea.
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< 1420432755 206952 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
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< 1420432780 276369 :PixelToast!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:ac49:bdf3:9a7d:888 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1420432831 782836 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuuu pixeltoast Whyyy
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< 1420433254 559532 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/ob4RHT7.png
< 1420433296 368127 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, is it a bad idea for me to just aggregate copyrights+warnings? Maybe each route's warniings should be listed with each destination, rather than all at the top
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< 1420433889 511059 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do want to display per-route information anyway
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< 1420434969 599060 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever font chrome uses for Wikipedia renders 👻 as a pac-man ghost
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< 1420434980 806193 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 👻
< 1420434981 839869 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F47B GHOST \ UTF-8: f0 9f 91 bb  UTF-16BE: d83ddc7b  Decimal: &#128123; \ 👻 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals)
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< 1420435105 481989 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1420435129 260708 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes people input special symbals they make tbh on wikipedia
< 1420435143 865334 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :so other computers can't really render them.correctly
< 1420435214 392211 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, this is using native font rendering
< 1420435225 625928 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example?
< 1420435264 265905 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot believe a swastika is a symbol that you can make with alt symbols
< 1420435270 465228 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :like really windows
< 1420435279 499942 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :illuminati confirmed
< 1420435313 852961 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 卐 卍
< 1420435314 582555 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+5350 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-5350] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+534D CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-534D]
< 1420435333 137108 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it even for
< 1420435347 841163 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're "chinese characters"
< 1420435364 94805 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I didn't know that
< 1420435369 848400 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one would assume
< 1420435384 953838 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of them are pronounced wàn in mandarin, apparently
< 1420435399 390158 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh well 
< 1420435423 120524 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :off hand they should crook one of the branches
< 1420435431 977255 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't look like the broken cross
< 1420435442 52584 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a pixel movement
< 1420435555 288960 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420435563 251926 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace, copumpkin: they are common buddhism signs.
< 1420435587 998354 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't necessarily justify their inclusion in unicode though
< 1420435590 8045 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see plenty of them in Korea
< 1420435606 242269 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well if Hitler hadn't changed the German sign for peace
< 1420435610 858467 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the fact that they're also considered chinese characters (obviously for the reasons you mentioned) does
< 1420435617 434067 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :We wouldn't be having this discussion
< 1420435644 398151 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, it is not intended for Swatchka (is this spelling right?)
< 1420435658 571748 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk
< 1420435711 360586 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://i.imgur.com/zx8qFta.jpg
< 1420435792 688380 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1420435925 726143 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I could contribute to the wiki but it seems all of my 'original' ideas have already been thought of
< 1420435928 449021 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sigh
< 1420436120 962608 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the having a bot on a different name thing is annoying so ill just keep it on my accounts
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< 1420436754 322818 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should the my be in quotations
< 1420436770 528590 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :to imply they were never mine and I just had a burst of thought
< 1420436772 271421 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe
< 1420436796 577323 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably
< 1420436833 286785 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1420436965 229281 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love forgetting that the stuff I want is in a list instead of being a single entity
< 1420436994 493926 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1420437003 74929 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :example /here/
< 1420437067 492618 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like when you have a random stack that isn't filled and you pull from another that is and put it in that but accidently put the entire stack into that one and crash everything
< 1420437076 882806 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh I've done that a lot lately
< 1420437091 581354 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's why the school was able to link so quickly
< 1420437139 468261 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :or my vps wasn't payed for and I've forgotten again
< 1420437260 125817 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going off on a tangent and anxiety levels are through the roof
< 1420437264 266692 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :School tommorow
< 1420437268 269011 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I is gonna die
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< 1420438177 195610 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: Don't kill anybody.
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< 1420438734 328743 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, um.
< 1420438745 375794 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a rule of UI design that says "Don't put too much text"?
< 1420438747 302795 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/MYGcHIe.png
< 1420438760 238616 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a fast reader, but slower readers might have problems with this, especially as I add more bullet points
< 1420438793 948927 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's awful UI
< 1420438815 844958 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shoudl also be drawing attention to the more importan info
< 1420438859 101576 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what's most important to the user
< 1420438871 178419 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time spent walking? Whether or not taxi is required? Time waiting for transfer?
< 1420438875 202641 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All stuff I intend to show
< 1420438894 441744 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The taxi thing is already coded but I guess these routes don't suggest it)
< 1420439046 717120 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'It might be misleading as-is making it look like these are all walking routes, which they're not
< 1420439071 68722 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first route displayed is walk, bus, walk, bus, walk
< 1420439079 77037 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which will be displayed on the right when clicked, but still
< 1420439295 924754 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This feels a lot like a tablet-y UI
< 1420439359 571837 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/mame/quine-relay
< 1420439409 643403 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is addicted to overflow-y: scroll
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< 1420442959 558889 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: not if I dont have to, lol
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< 1420443483 26136 :^v!~^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, <3
< 1420443485 599883 :^v!~^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lua is at the top
< 1420444163 829342 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is?
< 1420444265 610886 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :really!?
< 1420444443 814537 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a (say) perl -> brainfuck -> perl quine is easier to write than a brainfuck one.
< 1420444587 898170 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet
< 1420444604 346629 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :all these greater than and less than
< 1420444608 408075 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :and brackets
< 1420444612 107901 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wtf is this
< 1420444640 421559 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's how the whole circle can be covered by a 12k program; for most of the languages, one just needs transformations for printing fixed strings.
< 1420444712 828862 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in principle there only needs to be one exception, but with Brainfuck appearing twice, I guess there are more intermediate programs that are actually quine-like in that they duplicate some part of themselves
< 1420444731 534716 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ook! is also on the circle)
< 1420444753 412362 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piet is another one where the encoding is likely to be inefficient
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< 1420445139 375259 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see
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< 1420446551 873427 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@174-134-25-153.res.bhn.net NICK :blackmist
< 1420446571 397925 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-onwyizowfmwizjfr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night every one!
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< 1420446577 601110 :blackmist!~DTSCode@174-134-25-153.res.bhn.net NICK :dts|pokeball
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< 1420453013 605043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<myname> isn't he the one who basically reads all the log files? <-- now that's crazy talk
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< 1420454230 218428 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle String -> ByteString
< 1420454230 488882 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.ByteString.Char8 pack :: String -> ByteString
< 1420454230 532203 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.ByteString.Lazy.Char8 pack :: [Char] -> ByteString
< 1420454230 532342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude error :: [Char] -> a
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< 1420467409 30472 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 244876632^3 - 214243302^3 == 236678442^3 - 203342412^3
< 1420467410 318206 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : True
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< 1420469488 867126 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know what the notation "ℂ*" means?
< 1420469534 712185 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complex numbers without zero?
< 1420469552 899014 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: maybe complex numbers closed with infinity?
< 1420469554 831695 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1420469575 63752 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, hmm, I think complex numbers without zero makes sense
< 1420469603 477455 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from a past exam question asking whether ℂ* and o form a group where z o w = izw
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< 1420470099 951975 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh, yes, in that case without zero can make sense
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< 1420473657 215121 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I know for last minute group theory revision?
< 1420473689 366776 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't revise group theory all by yourself!
< 1420473703 748535 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, I am not!
< 1420473708 511123 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not fear
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< 1420475909 831463 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:InputUsername14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41598&oldid=40627 5* 03InputUsername 5* (-73) 10Updated user page
< 1420477052 141557 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, why doesn't this work: c#[]=[];c#(h:t)|c==h=t|True=h:c#t;f l=[c:r|c<-l,r<-f$c#l]
< 1420477138 44538 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell, I can ping my phone on WLAN from my desktop but not my laptop. ssh works fine from the desktop to the phone, but not from the laptop again. They are all on the same LAN/WLAN. Oh and laptop<->desktop works fine
< 1420477145 200373 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :This makes zero sense
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< 1420479564 151356 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Odd
< 1420479763 769883 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, it doesn't matter which AP the phone or the laptop is on (there are two physical, one with both 2.4 and 5 GHz, so 3 SSIDs in total). Or even if the laptop is on ethernet
< 1420479770 301666 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes no sense
< 1420480073 740404 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have book of Magic: the Puzzling and I believe I have found an alternative solution to "Near Death" which does not involve playing Baki's Curse or blocking Hungry Mist, but do you know if this alternative solution is valid under Fourth Edition rules?
< 1420480143 820073 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Sclipting14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41599&oldid=39093 5* 0373.184.106.177 5* (+7) 10Possible intention
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< 1420485974 883326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the purposes of conceding the game in Magic: the Gathering when the game would continue (such as if there are more than two players), which effects are considered atomic?
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< 1420487903 326244 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think none, but there are some tricky rules on what happens when an invalid action is rewound and you've conceded:
< 1420487929 687980 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular,
< 1420487997 195344 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a multiplayer game, if an opponent tries to cast Hex, you can concede very quickly before he chooses the targets, and that can make casting Hex invalid if there aren't enough creatures remaining, so casting Hex is rewound, but you don't rejoin the game, you and your objects have left it permanently, that isn't rewound because it isn't part of trying to cast the spell.
< 1420488016 684936 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tricky, I don't quite understand it, but that's what we surmised when I asked about this Hex situation.
< 1420488051 657387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's a situation that could very rarely plausibly come up in a multiplayer game when you're desperate)
< 1420488132 219038 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mind you, you're not likely to see a game where you can actually save your teammate this way, but it's possible that you're very close to losing and don't see any other chance)
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< 1420489650 871573 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exam went well, except I completely forgot there was such a thing as the Fundamental Theorem of Group Homomorphisms
< 1420489897 383038 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: good
< 1420489914 536390 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I got everything that I think I got right right, that's 93%
< 1420489924 800127 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, was it a written test?
< 1420489928 592131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1420489952 865446 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1420490463 59578 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius
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< 1420491744 889626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read of a kind of Magic: the Gathering format called Solomon Draft. It looks like I like that one.
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< 1420493077 70961 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeoDude
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< 1420494181 684954 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/01/pokemon-plays-twitch-how-a-robot-got-irc-running-on-an-unmodified-snes/
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< 1420495963 167529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Taneb> Does anyone know what the notation "ℂ*" means? <-- "the group of invertible elements in ℂ under multiplication *", i should think
< 1420495996 362109 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the context suggested it was a set rather than a group, because the question gave another operation
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< 1420496004 48831 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And asked "is this a group?"
< 1420496007 400525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok set then
< 1420496010 229072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1420496021 14320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pretty sure it's a group btw)
< 1420496047 224840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hint: it's isomorphic to the usual multiplication)
< 1420496097 58917 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah, I worked that out
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< 1420496614 690563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell myname <myname> so, why doesn't this work: c#[]=[];c#(h:t)|c==h=t|True=h:c#t;f l=[c:r|c<-l,r<-f$c#l] <-- it's empty for the f [] base case, which causes all others to be empty as well.  btw 1>0 is shorter than True.
< 1420496614 770804 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1420497581 119119 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ideone.com/WauTnW
< 1420497674 789483 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry, dave
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< 1420497768 920517 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah hah. ideone supports intercal.
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< 1420501852 276882 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
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< 1420501852 627312 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 052300Z 26013G20KT 15SM FEW030 M17/M23 A3029 RMK CF1 CF TR SLP260
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< 1420506405 304067 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Folders14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41600&oldid=41590 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+470) 10/* Clarifications? */ response to Keymaker
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< 1420516198 679534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if somehow an aura loses its Enchant ability? What happens if something that isn't an aura (such as an Equipment) gains enchant ability?
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< 1420516297 548595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Perhaps you can ask in #mtgrules on EFNet.
< 1420516490 221574 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote this code two days ago. I do not remember why I have two arguments with confusingly similar names.
< 1420516496 529870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I will try
< 1420516515 902726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the host name and port number for EFNet?
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< 1420516551 326056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think irc.efnet.org:6667 should work.
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< 1420516721 173065 :Pnight!~Puppy_es@186.56.173.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello everybody!
< 1420516727 492334 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1420516732 382019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK it looks like working.
< 1420516737 575884 :Pnight!~Puppy_es@186.56.173.74 NICK :Eiel
< 1420516758 254498 :Eiel!~Puppy_es@186.56.173.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, my first time !!! 
< 1420516767 550825 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks to me like it's still an enchantment that is now allowed to enchant any object or player.
< 1420516782 583666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Eiel
< 1420516783 775379 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06Eiel: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02<http://esolangs.org/>. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.)
< 1420516814 101126 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but can you actually make that happen?
< 1420516814 383773 :Eiel!~Puppy_es@186.56.173.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you elliott! greetings!
< 1420516896 58619 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I thought it might be but an unsure, and it doesn't answer the second question. I do not know if anything can actually make that happen.
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< 1420517081 164157 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "The enchant ability restricts what an Aura spell can target and what an Aura can enchant. " <-- if it isn't an aura that doesn't seem to do anything.
< 1420517139 456493 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I agree that it's not perfectly clear.
< 1420517205 725414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if an aura lost "Enchant" it would make sense for it to be able to be able to enchant anything, because "Enchant X. Enchant Y." means it can only attach something which is both an X and a Y.
< 1420517223 438794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for instance it would be able to enchant permanents, players, cards in graveyards, etc.
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< 1420517510 686538 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION boggles at the thought of enchanting an ability on the stack...
< 1420517643 887501 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if it can enchant anything then clearly it could do that; I knew that part already.
< 1420517673 353005 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woohoo, only one small mistake in major code change, other than that, worked on first try!
< 1420517733 456182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, want to play prismata?
< 1420517762 687392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you enchanted something on the stack, I would believe that as soon as it resolves or is countered, the enchantment is removed as a state based action, isn't it?
< 1420517786 70850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'd expect.
< 1420517798 923242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could make e.g. counterspells be enchantments with that mechanism.
< 1420517844 890035 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: right now, want to refactor a bit to get rid of the poorly named "place", which is easily confused with "dest"
< 1420517878 344495 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe some other shuffling around, putting the warning+copyright below the important stuff or something
< 1420518071 187356 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Scoppini 5*  10New user account
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< 1420518729 609150 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok, I'll play
< 1420518764 312244 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After you're done with Master Bot
< 1420518850 850430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, does it let you see my game?
< 1420518920 503751 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
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< 1420519703 242127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What are all those engineers for?
< 1420519717 373215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why block 4 with Wall+Steelsplitter instead of 2 engineers+Wall?
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< 1420520116 328250 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gg
< 1420520148 265072 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The engineers were for a vague hope that maybe I could burst build drones, so that your deadeyes can't take out all of them in a single turn, so I could get more ossifieds
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< 1420520174 429129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you build two walls after I built a steelsplitter?
< 1420520192 439408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems way overdefensive. A wall just by itself can absorb 2 damage.
< 1420520208 493743 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have thought it made sense to prepare defensively. Probably not.
< 1420520226 995292 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please do not assume that I am good at Prismata
< 1420520282 12819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Oh, they don't deal in theoretical questions, apparently.
< 1420520392 636015 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there are unspecified situations that can occur, does that mean that Magic is allowed to eat your laundry?
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< 1420521025 491504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am interested even in theoretical questions.
< 1420521369 135558 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can enchant a creature's tap ability, without enchanting the creature?
< 1420521469 382333 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of this stuff doesn't fit with the way I played Magic in grade 7
< 1420521677 40887 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :see we used a physical STACK of cards
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< 1420522282 84308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I think you would enchant it when activated, the enchantment goes away when it resolves
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< 1420523104 421601 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since they don't want theoretical questions I may ask some more on here: What happens if an aura has living weapon ability?
< 1420523181 887488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the answer to many of your questions is that it never happens, so the rules don't specify the behavior.
< 1420523203 163450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, though: 702.91a. Living weapon is a triggered ability. "Living weapon" means "When this Equipment enters the battlefield, put a 0/0 black Germ creature token onto the battlefield, then attach this Equipment to it."
< 1420523242 989073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that already.
< 1420523269 234833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "this Equipment" is meaningless, actually. Or means the same as "this permanent".
< 1420523306 883571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think the latter, but it still leaves a few things unclear to me.
< 1420523334 891284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the latter, I think that's specified somewhere.
< 1420523405 787378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so too, but it still doesn't fully answer my question.
< 1420523429 184297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I don't have an answer to your question.
< 1420523462 424716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than that the rules make it reasonably clear that they don't intend to print it on non-Equipment cards. And I don't know of a way you could get it onto cards otherwise.
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< 1420525698 301385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the rules; it looks like to me that it first is attached to whatever it targeted, and then it tries to become attached to the Germ token if possible. Is that correct?
< 1420525759 685163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Maybe #mtg on EFNet would be more accepting of theoretical questions.
< 1420525761 276056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
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< 1420526071 765160 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was looking through the list of banned cards, and "Falling Star" seems out of place.
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< 1420526628 241622 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"< int-e> looks to me like it's still an enchantment that is now allowed to enchant any object or player." - I thought it was like that since Time Spiral, when they added an aura that enchants a card in the gy.
< 1420526676 396399 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "What happens if something that isn't an aura (such as an Equipment) gains enchant ability?" - hmm, there was some way to get an aura equipment in some recent set I think
< 1420526800 225431 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but as for an Aura losing its "enchant" ability, I suspect that's actually impossible in vanilla M:tG, it's only possible in your variant where creature auras don't get removed, but I could be wrong
< 1420526820 58821 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you animate and then humiliate an aura without getting state-based actions resolve in between?
< 1420526888 654002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually, you'd need to animate it, humiliate it, then unanimate it, which is probably impossible
< 1420527243 513154 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any Magic: the Gathering puzzles involving games of more than two players? If so, are there any that require conceding in order to solve the puzzle?
< 1420527302 992364 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know
< 1420527333 685107 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not hard to set up a situation where conceding will make your team win, but I don't know if there's a good puzzle made from this
< 1420527358 869141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have a few ideas relating to such things.
< 1420527483 657776 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What happens if an aura has living weapon ability?" -- dunno, but check the set faq and rulings and stuff for the sets in the Theros block, iirc think that was the block where it was first possible to get equipment auras
< 1420527543 641079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I remember is that it could somehow happen to get aura equipment and that they're attached to only one object that both equipment-related and aura-related abilities refer to
< 1420527587 89393 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite remember how it could happen though
< 1420527891 322137 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, can't find that reference to aura equipment
< 1420528372 694629 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm damn
< 1420528394 134848 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that situation I described with conceding in multiplayer to have your team win the game might not work:
< 1420528404 361436 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"810.8b If a player concedes, his or her team leaves the game immediately. That team loses the game."
< 1420528648 508531 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, you could still try to concede to influence which of your opponents win 
< 1420528760 367386 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's trivial and doesn't need any rules shenenigans
< 1420528877 977384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking a game following rule 808, not 810.
< 1420528917 813562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, that rule won't apply.
< 1420529827 790794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 810 the most common team game? Well, I prefer 808.
< 1420530499 475104 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmm, now I'm no longer sure getting a non-creature aura without enchant is impossible in vanilla
< 1420530513 640508 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to investigate whether it's possible
< 1420530574 638214 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, as for rules questions, I'd recommend against efnet #mtgrules for these kinds of crazy theoretical rules questions. they're a fine channel for ordinary rules questions, about situations that can reasonably come up in games, but not really for these kinds of esoteric rules situations.
< 1420530824 894636 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to set up a combo with Time Machine that lets you win all future games with the same opponent unless he pulls off a turn zero win?
< 1420531072 504035 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm no, it isn't. The opponent could concede very early next game to break the loop.
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< 1420534779 714542 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :STM. Totally a stimulant drink drunk by neurons. http://lawcomic.net/guide/?p=3105
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< 1420536151 894436 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my short term memory is literally a stimulant drink, especially at exam time
< 1420536836 578020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal http://www.rutschle.net/tech/sslh.shtml
< 1420536836 790102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1420536936 339653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420537724 213592 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In windows 7, if I am moving a windows by dragging its title bar, and a new window is mapped to the desktop, that sometimes aborts the window move, but not always. What decides whether it aborts that?
< 1420537731 502074 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1420537756 27707 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grabbing focus, perhaps
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< 1420537799 58281 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ah yes, that's possible
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< 1420539160 891373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :girl genius, WHY AREN'T YOU UPDATING
< 1420540400 612721 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they're out of ideas for paper dolls?
< 1420540457 46910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish
< 1420540480 829537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems unlikely since these dolls are based on an already existing side story
< 1420540530 298901 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I did take that into account. I was trying to come up with a worst case scenario.
< 1420540620 87340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they still need to get through gil, tarvek and possibly the jägers
< 1420540660 30879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no, _certainly_ the jägers.
< 1420540669 317941 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they needed to remind their kids of who their parents are
< 1420540684 254853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes.  i remember that.
< 1420540688 458703 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there was this "who are you people" gag a while back..)
< 1420540719 45966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know.
< 1420540745 441593 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :'course you do. you tend to remember most of GG better than I :P
< 1420540751 941335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1420540828 176060 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of want to do a Girl Genius cosplay
< 1420540835 128540 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The issue is, how to make it recognizable?
< 1420540843 607260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just reread most of the cinderella story, although that was because it was accidentally linked from an old forum comment in the yafgc forum (it turned out the story had a shoutout to them) that got bumped up.
< 1420540857 895051 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Gamemanj 5*  10New user account
< 1420540862 676860 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really have the figure to cosplay Agatha. The only thing I can think of is Gil in his Schmott Guy hat
< 1420540899 538043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i recall seeing some cosplay of maxim on their blog (also that via an ancient link)
< 1420540908 22115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1420540915 357096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the cosplayer's blog, i think
< 1420540967 24402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the cosplayer was a girl
< 1420540991 9431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maxim _is_ canonically a bishounen jäger
< 1420540995 717899 :MoALTz__!~no@user-46-112-49-198.play-internet.pl NICK :MoALTz
< 1420541054 477237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember what Taneb looks like again
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< 1420541116 184079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there's a guy called Raif Taneb
< 1420541121 349462 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I am just under six foot, skinny, brown hair, not short but by no means long, very noticeable eyebrows
< 1420541149 298962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i don't really have the ability to connect looks and written desciptions
< 1420541240 735011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_something_ tells me this guy isn't you https://www.youtube.com/user/nathanvdoorn :P
< 1420541269 910350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(trying to find your esoprogramming video, your name/nick doesn't seem like the best search word)
< 1420541350 193843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does "esolang" give all these russian hits
< 1420541351 219741 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bekftEG3j4
< 1420541370 327872 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I forgot about that
< 1420541377 966522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there
< 1420541440 280064 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BytePusher14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41601&oldid=40700 5* 03Gamemanj 5* (+251) 10/* Announcements */
< 1420541503 794288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i found that too but with a different id
< 1420541555 11831 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah, it was uploaded twice
< 1420541575 430675 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :First to the person who filmed it's account, then copied to HackSoc's
< 1420541740 178714 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Zeetha, too...
< 1420541816 979000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm she wasn't in the part of the story i read
< 1420541845 434373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait she was the godmother wasn't she
< 1420541865 519017 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1420541894 285904 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :though maybe they'll skip her; she had only that one outfit, I'm afraid
< 1420541895 232020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started at the point where the yafgc shoutout was, which was after that
< 1420541997 163885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i was thinking about moloch von zinzer but then you need more beard
< 1420542005 126362 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I can do more beard
< 1420542613 315479 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: interesting, I had missed the fact that the science fair was another concentration of shoutouts. (I was aware of the one when Agatha enters Mechanicsburg)
< 1420542672 457632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, i probably miss most shoutouts in general :P
< 1420542729 679651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally i notice some, or notice something which just has to be a shoutout but i don't know to what
< 1420542743 296553 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. it just means that I didn't read the texts carefully that time (it was just a side story after all...)
< 1420542816 701984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know (of course not) that when i first saw the 3 jägers, i thought they were shoutouts to elfquest characters?
< 1420542887 403268 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you find http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ShoutOut/GirlGenius ?
< 1420542890 355209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought maxim looked vaguely like rayek, ognian vaguely like cutter and dimo vaguely like a troll
< 1420542899 461583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1420543315 368707 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1420543535 710107 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, the companion cube is hard to recognize...
< 1420543563 696281 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20141024 )
< 1420543563 917686 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:5: error: expected: "!!",
< 1420543564 57879 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    "$", "$>", "&&", "&&&", "*",
< 1420543564 101135 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    "***", "+", "++", "+++", "-",
< 1420543564 101266 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    "->", ".", "/", "/=", ":+",
< 1420543564 101341 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    ":-", "::", ":::", ":=", "<",14↵…
< 1420543581 870033 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :idris-bot: I forgive you
< 1420543685 11729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i regret suggesting the ( prefix
< 1420543709 987264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but bots _shouldn't_ give multiline responses to unknown commands, anyway.
< 1420543731 588133 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f x = x x in x x x x x
< 1420543732 591529 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr
< 1420543732 634776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :                               -> Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr
< 1420543732 634916 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :                               -> Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr
< 1420543734 385562 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be )
< 1420543742 405773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not an unknown command
< 1420543744 293444 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\u -> u u)
< 1420543745 306943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: t1 ~ t1 -> t
< 1420543745 350151 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Relevant bindings include u :: t1 -> t (bound at <interactive>:1:3)
< 1420543764 90077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: there's already a )
< 1420543767 936717 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1420543770 45211 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(idris-bot doesn't trigger so easily)
< 1420543772 156193 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :) as
< 1420543798 779992 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I tend to put spaces around URLs to help copy&pasting.)
< 1420543806 771886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: well the bot isn't actually _here_ any more.
< 1420543811 564724 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK!
< 1420543825 339230 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :% help
< 1420543827 323875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: the _reason_ i suggested ( was to balance out that ) in fungot's prefix list
< 1420543827 458343 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is just what makes sense
< 1420543833 786876 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1420543837 761466 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1420543838 295884 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think it's fine.
< 1420543851 899594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fnord
< 1420543853 25964 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘fnord’
< 1420543860 114401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fob wfø wohiqw
< 1420543861 187376 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘fob’
< 1420543861 231055 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant ‘T.for’ (imported from Data.Traversable)Not in scope: ‘wfø...
< 1420543863 274781 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420543864 578570 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats oerjan.
< 1420543877 793430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i guess lambdabot isn't entirely innocent.
< 1420543891 772072 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PART :#esoteric
< 1420543895 519558 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ''ø
< 1420543895 562941 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420543896 425580 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Syntax error on ''ø
< 1420543896 533598 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you intended to use TemplateHaskell
< 1420543956 373180 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ replicate 10 '\n'
< 1420543957 386424 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated
< 1420543995 287389 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ concat $ replicate 10 "Terminated\n"
< 1420543996 410769 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated
< 1420543996 473605 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated
< 1420543996 516920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated
< 1420544011 618786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ replicate 10 '\n'
< 1420544012 784860 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated
< 1420544019 509371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "\n"
< 1420544020 686895 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated
< 1420544024 266303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1420544055 793787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it strips final newlines, and only then decides whether there's no output
< 1420544070 272897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "\n "
< 1420544075 909248 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :smart! ;-)
< 1420544085 553967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what.
< 1420544098 364748 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ replicate 1024 '\n' ++ "a"
< 1420544099 498389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated
< 1420544104 819852 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ replicate 1023 '\n' ++ "a"
< 1420544106 14875 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : a
< 1420544117 819501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text " "
< 1420544130 686519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i sense a bug
< 1420544163 373282 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1420544172 981674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420544175 215184 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I need to learn more Haskell.
< 1420544179 282310 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not the 1024 thing anyway.
< 1420544182 25009 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text " "
< 1420544183 62531 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : �
< 1420544199 301841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, step 1: strip newlines 2: decide whether it's empty so print Terminated. 3: strip whitespace 4: decide whether it's empty so print nothing
< 1420544203 170971 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode  
< 1420544203 820965 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+00A0 NO-BREAK SPACE]
< 1420544212 125608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :VERY LOGICAL
< 1420544216 9303 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Â
< 1420544216 572580 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+00C2 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX]
< 1420544219 31681 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking unicode
< 1420544226 905304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tect " \n"
< 1420544227 894019 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘tect’
< 1420544227 937457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant ‘text’ (imported from Text.PrettyPrint.HughesPJ)
< 1420544231 777129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text " \n"
< 1420544244 835689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text " \n \n "
< 1420544271 145317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text " \n a \n "
< 1420544272 221683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :  a
< 1420544272 264966 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1420544276 466450 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it's a feature ;-)
< 1420544280 135916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1420544291 945107 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny though
< 1420544831 63290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420546479 700219 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to my analysis, the best type of pokemon is fairy/steel 
< 1420546491 703250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :klefki, mega mawile
< 1420546495 366655 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst is ice/rock
< 1420546499 185260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of which are in fact widly used in various metagame
< 1420546501 502873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*metagames
< 1420546511 412565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, ice/rock is absolutely terrible except as a glass cannon setup
< 1420546518 345311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not too bad wrt coverage, but it's somewhat redundant
< 1420546533 577605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rock bottom
< 1420546545 247463 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION battles an existential crisis
< 1420546554 843939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: you exist
< 1420546556 550058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that help?
< 1420546558 740872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw somewhere what is the worst single type in Pokemon Red they calculated by computer, the result is rocks.
< 1420546574 484565 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i wrote a program to evaluate the type combos according to how many types are good against them
< 1420546575 913531 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but what purpose in existing if you fail to provide function?
< 1420546580 497297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that didn't help we'll just have to kill you instea
< 1420546583 677923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+d
< 1420546604 777620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: well if you don't know what your purpose is, you can make it your purpose to find out
< 1420546638 870428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: it strikes me as odd that someone would a) be the type of person to do that, and yet b) include fairy (even dark and steel are a bit weird)
< 1420546669 855745 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :????
< 1420546690 541063 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use ghost type in pokemon emerand
< 1420546691 415321 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well everyone knows in the old games only psychic and dragon were worth fielding
< 1420546699 111037 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love ghosts.
< 1420546703 562378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: your ???? is lacking context, it would describe pretty much everything that happens in this channel
< 1420546707 783749 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHaha
< 1420546713 473434 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to beat platinum with an all ghost team.
< 1420546715 596147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: not true
< 1420546722 583886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the perfect team for Pokémon Red/Blue was solved quite a while ago
< 1420546726 688162 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :platinum was wicked fucking hard.
< 1420546732 277772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately I can't remember all of it offhand
< 1420546748 279327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tauros, Chansey, Exeggcutor, um…
< 1420546758 528370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either Rhydon or Golem, they're so close it makes no real difference
< 1420546770 516209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because you absolutely have to have a zapdos counter or you just lose)
< 1420546776 538469 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone i knew had 3 Alakazam, Mewtwo, Dragonite, Articuno
< 1420546784 252950 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or womething like that
< 1420546794 257114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this is normally assuming that mewtwo is banned and you can't use duplicates
< 1420546806 556336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, the best team is probably either 6 mewtwo or 6 tauros, they're cloes
< 1420546846 882953 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not duplicates?
< 1420546860 779333 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :duplicates of non-legendray are easy toget
< 1420546864 761973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a commonly enforced rule, partly because so many people assume it's a rule
< 1420546872 857241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even 1 tauros is pretty hard to get, really, in RB
< 1420546940 60450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the assumption is "if you can get anything you want…"
< 1420546941 61640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1420546946 60302 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420546992 982043 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1420547027 247803 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When dark came, Alakazam was no longer a evil killing machine, i was sad...
< 1420547049 56603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Alakazam might also be on the perfect team
< 1420547068 301756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, mostly as the Pokémon that the opponent puts to sleep
< 1420547077 707822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(another commonly enforced rule is that you can't put more than one opposing Pokémon to sleep)
< 1420547169 969560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Alakazam has plenty of counters even in RB
< 1420547181 7857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. it can't do anything to Chansey, who will paralyse it
< 1420547187 493538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it'll die to everything
< 1420547193 410682 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... that is pretty far from the way i played it in primary school... Alakazam was countered by Dargonite usually
< 1420547221 965935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we've had well over 10 years to solve the game
< 1420547291 731883 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true. the days of mewtwo -> dragonite -> articuno -> charizard are over
< 1420547301 880362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :articuno is actually pretty bad
< 1420547309 501493 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but kills dragonite
< 1420547323 80811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, no, it's not that bad
< 1420547326 49238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread the guide I'm using
< 1420547341 500326 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there aren't that many ice pokemon in RBY anyway
< 1420547372 390948 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see AGDQ?
< 1420547379 350499 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reprogrammed pokemon
< 1420547387 368154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: did you see the credits for that run?
< 1420547404 268 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure, i was talking about the one yesterday
< 1420547408 770010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so am I
< 1420547413 864978 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess i missed it
< 1420547417 355264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm partly responsible for it, is the point I was getting at
< 1420547421 109497 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh!
< 1420547424 633699 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done :D 
< 1420547428 641375 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was really stunning
< 1420547431 265046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so while everyone else was really happy watching it
< 1420547441 378094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was really nervous, hoping everything would work
< 1420547454 852225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everything did work, but enough did that we were able to pull off something spectacular anyway
< 1420547479 766503 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is this the tasbot?
< 1420547481 972136 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i can imagine!
< 1420547488 549847 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be very nerve-wracking
< 1420547505 770424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1420547512 311434 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Musical notes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41602&oldid=41447 5* 03TomPN 5* (-98) 10/* Syntax */
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< 1420547517 998974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: so looking this up, articuno loses to starmie, which is the most common reason it isn't used much
< 1420547528 6323 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should redo my program to take into acount typical stats of a type combo
< 1420547568 19590 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how do you get involved in something like that?
< 1420547583 994171 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :articuno also loses to Mewtwo though... some people used lapras instead
< 1420547619 39584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: well dwangoAC organizes the TAS representation at AGDQ, and I've been working with him on another project for over a year now
< 1420547650 895591 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: on a different note, after what zzo38 said, I'm now wondering about something in M:tG:
< 1420547691 961781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely whether it's possible to get a situation where you have a non-creature aura without an "enchant" ability in play at a point when the game tries to determine what it can be legally enchanted to.
< 1420547731 331358 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules don't seem quite clear what would happen if that occurred, but I don't know if it's possible in first place. 
< 1420547735 400812 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dimensions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41603&oldid=41448 5* 03TomPN 5* (-98) 10/* Loops */
< 1420547816 327383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all the existing "lose all abilities" effects only apply to creatures, but you might be able to find one with an until-end-of-turn duration
< 1420547818 871819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, Turn
< 1420547831 80984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think it's doable
< 1420547909 668482 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Quantum Dimensions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41604&oldid=41449 5* 03TomPN 5* (-1) 10/* Quantum entanglement */
< 1420547931 54419 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. FPComplete is actually really cool.
< 1420548065 412587 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, Turn! nice, I didn't think of that
< 1420548096 736320 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RingCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41605&oldid=41428 5* 03TomPN 5* (-56) 10
< 1420548214 511842 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh "copy enchantment" is an interesting card, it's an enchantment without target (but a triggered ability.) In fact that card tickles the rules about targets in interesting ways - see the first ruling at http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=83807
< 1420548217 382531 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so how does that work? I animate the aura, cast Turn at it, then unanimate it, and its abilities remain lost until end of turn. 
< 1420548220 814169 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works
< 1420548280 573301 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that strange state lasts long enough that I can even cast spells or try to reattach it with Simic Guildmage's ability
< 1420548409 527658 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Uhm, "An Aura that's also a creature can't enchant anything. If this occurs somehow, the Aura becomes unattached, then is put into its owner's graveyard." (as a state-based effect)
< 1420548442 952384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sure, but the question is what objects an aura without "enchant" can legally enchant, 
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< 1420548490 458834 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the rules basically say that the "enchant" ability determines what an aura can legally attach to, with the exception that if the aura is a creature it can't be attached to anything, and that an aura can never be attached to itself legally
< 1420548491 343974 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules say that enchantments work on objects and players.
< 1420548503 856845 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Enchant restricts that set.
< 1420548504 619997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, object and player sorry
< 1420548506 655133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to make it into a nonenchantment creature first
< 1420548508 989974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then Turn it
< 1420548512 44914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then undo the type changing
< 1420548519 240303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, nonaura creature
< 1420548522 773576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being an enchantment would be fine
< 1420548533 443308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe it isn't possible
< 1420548564 816481 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm... you have to make it non-aura temporarily? that might be easiest by rewriting it with a copy
< 1420548573 658599 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm actually
< 1420548579 941997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be an easier way:
< 1420548595 997582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have a "target permanent becomes a copy of another target permanent until end of combat", though (or some duration that's shorter than a turn)
< 1420548602 136495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "enchanted permanent is a copy of target permanent"
< 1420548605 581551 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just manifest an aura, then Turn it, then use the special action from manifest to turn it up so it becomes an auura
< 1420548621 921842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: doesn't work, manifest special action only works on creatures
< 1420548626 636984 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...
< 1420548631 595268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cards that are creatures on the front, that is
< 1420548639 562085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, at least
< 1420548645 204716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, don't use the special ability
< 1420548648 726021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use Break Open
< 1420548663 307679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works on everything that's a creature on the back (i.e. everything), and not an instant or sorcery on the front
< 1420548668 520866 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you overwrite a non-creature artifact enchantment with a copy somehow?
< 1420548686 243515 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :break open, good idea
< 1420548710 710489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I hope it's a special action like morph's
< 1420548710 817981 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap, mewtwo still has monstrous stats
< 1420548716 707757 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we won't know for sure until the setfaq comes out
< 1420548739 87103 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me
< 1420548765 801672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a special action, it says so in the mechanics preview article
< 1420548771 769112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: have you seen mewtwoite x / mewtwoite y?
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< 1420548834 689925 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only does the new mtg homepage no longer has an obvious link to a list of all set faqs; but also even though the pages of earlier sets link to their set FAQs, http://magic.wizards.com/en/game-info/products/card-set-archive/khans-of-tarkir doesn't link to a set faq.
< 1420548855 186344 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the Khans of Tarkir set FAQ, I hope they haven't discontinued set FAQs
< 1420548857 2851 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1420548870 719273 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it does link to the faq, just on a differnet place
< 1420548871 353312 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew
< 1420548911 1847 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to download that 
< 1420548929 550101 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(doesn't load, damn it)
< 1420549106 498688 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, why the hell isn't there a game in Orange Islands?
< 1420549221 860298 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's another way, without face down permanents. animate a Mizzium Transreqliquat, activate its ability to copy an artifact aura, and as a reaction, cast Turn to the Transreliquat. 
< 1420549259 928950 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but manifest, Turn, Break open is easier
< 1420549264 900541 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: did you get this?
< 1420549266 616160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the copy effect causes it to stop being a creature
< 1420549287 283947 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nah, you can just make it no longer be a creature at instant speed
< 1420549295 344825 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by destroying Animate Artifact
< 1420549306 786188 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can animate and unanimate artifacts any time you like
< 1420549314 686308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1420549320 831393 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, not quite, but any time you can cast spells
< 1420549353 562595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't load the Khans of Tarkir set faq
< 1420549367 39374 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess I'll have to try again in the evening, the wizards website sucks
< 1420549478 690894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry if I interrupted the pokemon conversation
< 1420549490 685906 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah this is more interesting
< 1420549517 589490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dare you interrupt their off-topic conversation with another one
< 1420549548 962266 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually the mtg one is somewhat on-topic because it's about obfu-uses of M:tG, not normal uses
< 1420549554 306437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew can have multiple conversations at once
< 1420549557 162357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1420549566 556863 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it counts as more on-topic than the pokemon one though
< 1420549566 822170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'd claim http://esolangs.org/wiki/StackFlow is ontopic
< 1420549582 919545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though writing that page required me to know about various obscure M:tG cards
< 1420549661 213963 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should invent a tabletop game so complex it is possible to make the referees have to solve the halting problem
< 1420549677 23272 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: M:tG is already like that
< 1420549685 859024 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: because of its rules about infinite loops
< 1420549694 232038 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those rules, sadly, are also underspecified
< 1420549720 165475 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit i forgot about those... so they have to know whther the loop is infinite or not
< 1420549726 470847 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can imagine specifying them completely in an ideal world, but they still have to require to solve the halting problem
< 1420549749 997937 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: yes, and as the rest of M:tG is turing complete, those rules make the judges require to solve the halting problem in theory
< 1420549772 114125 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice, you might not be able to set up an interesting enoguh situation without running out of time or some other implementation limit first
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< 1420549794 498433 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: StackFlow /literally/ solves the halting problem
< 1420549796 384077 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case you may need a co-operating opponent
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< 1420549811 792778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only remaining thing to do is to somehow set it up in a tournament
< 1420549838 121539 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then grin and say "Problem, ref?"
< 1420549842 242070 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you try that, they _might_ penalize you with an unsportsmanlike conduct or something
< 1420549846 137352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might be able to do it in Vintage; Slaver Control is a real deck there, and one of its win conditions involves taking control of all your opponent's turns
< 1420549854 239253 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/with/for/
< 1420549873 110422 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's easier to get a match with a co-operating opponent 
< 1420549876 408152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all you'd need to do in your own deck is one copy of Research//Development, plus a sideboard containing cards necessary to set the combo up
< 1420549880 852806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not under sanctioned conditions
< 1420549887 2880 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1420549892 160437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an alternative would be to set it up on Magic Online, get both players to pass the turn
< 1420549896 603021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see what happens
< 1420549915 13883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: because there's a rule against allowing anything other than normal Magic play to determine the winner of a game
< 1420549919 171671 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, I think Magic Online has different rules for infinite loops
< 1420549938 449408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it forces you to play all the turns out manually, and uses chess clocks to penalise you if you take too long
< 1420549947 246517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, there's a "skip responses until end of turn" button
< 1420549956 156064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the StackFlow construction is a chain of triggered abilities that trigger each other
< 1420549961 165240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no player interaction involved, no choices either
< 1420549961 726342 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1420549981 572438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even made sure to require that if two abilities triggered simultaneously, it was from different players
< 1420550014 702622 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can it be set up with only two players?
< 1420550026 952506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1420550029 234484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also made sure of that
< 1420550075 391338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately it requires setting up a few hundred creature and enchantment tokens and using various cards to rewrite their rules texts
< 1420550314 9864 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the time limit for an entire mtgo game?
< 1420550316 46629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might be hard to do within the mtgo time limit, even though the cards are probably not too hard to get hold of
< 1420550319 385005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 50 minutes per player
< 1420550320 39705 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it about a week? or much less?
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< 1420550353 11282 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 minutes per player? hmm
< 1420550375 661355 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to get more time than that somehow?
< 1420550382 676267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I don't play mtgo
< 1420550485 334954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtgo v10
< 1420550486 960624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtgox
< 1420550916 566931 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"magic the gathering online exchange"
< 1420550964 862092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it was never actually used for mtg, though
< 1420551284 441849 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Crewjony14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41606&oldid=41597 5* 03Crewjony 5* (+36) 10
< 1420551401 299009 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/StackFlow#Syntax - special keywords followed by a colon, and then entry lines starting with an asterisk? that's not markdown, that's emacs-info based.
< 1420551489 442565 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not quite, because the emacs-info format also needs an asterisk heading for the special keyword commands.
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< 1420553372 943632 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat
< 1420553695 935414 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic.
< 1420553864 172274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that URL is mindblowing
< 1420553867 642966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't dared to actually click it
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< 1420554375 729590 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoyed https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/the-birth-and-death-of-javascript more
< 1420554535 113318 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^botlist
< 1420554600 875983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes
< 1420554601 235581 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !
< 1420554605 262818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what you were looking for?
< 1420554633 977397 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I was looking for the list that fungot ignores (is there such a list?)
< 1420554634 121900 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: at installs it automagically on any box. so far i've not found that with the usual colors.
< 1420554658 662465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you'd have to ask fizzie about that
< 1420554926 141717 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there huffman-based compressed formats where the bits that you have to be conditional on for decoding because they determine the lengths are in separate streams from the bits that you don't have to be conditional on?
< 1420555004 83722 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if perhaps such a format could be faster to decode than a traditional huffman-based format like deflate/zip/png or jpeg 
< 1420555066 82183 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1420555072 268155 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pt sucks for font sizes
< 1420555073 895700 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's for sure
< 1420555153 587752 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like this might already exist of course
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< 1420557668 343916 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although vh sucks for huge monitors
< 1420557669 874104 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow.
< 1420557671 892091 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but oh well.
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< 1420558078 394905 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking css
< 1420558089 943991 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there no relative to 1% of the viewport IN CENTIMETERS
< 1420558092 441543 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not fucking pixels
< 1420558124 783716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: does calc() do what you want?
< 1420558138 527786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was considering writing a generator to work out the perfect series of nested divs to do that sort of calculation
< 1420558145 329443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the browser manufacturers added it to CSS isntead
< 1420558147 703063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*instead
< 1420558320 625957 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm trying to figure out a way to calculate the font-size I need to make it readable on small screens (smartphones) as well as screens such as 24" TFTs
< 1420558335 333589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ugh
< 1420558340 89571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure there's an easy way to do that
< 1420558342 614016 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is
< 1420558347 787534 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do stuff like 2vw
< 1420558352 480824 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is 2% of the viewport width
< 1420558361 49147 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is still too small on smartphones
< 1420558373 361652 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a little bit too big for 24" TFTs with HD resolution
< 1420558385 871109 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: just set it to the default font size?
< 1420558398 192304 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1420558418 641085 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a multiply of that
< 1420558450 637918 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default font-size on android is apparentely ridiciously small
< 1420558450 886111 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! they added "rem", font size of the root element
< 1420558452 681280 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :convenient
< 1420558466 706085 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wnated that, but all css used to have was the font size of the parent element
< 1420558490 476131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1420558491 50293 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1420558494 555756 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1">
< 1420558497 822991 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparentely
< 1420558501 52325 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try that one
< 1420558526 90620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that most weird-screen-sized browsers are good at zooming
< 1420558533 586240 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/
< 1420558533 669979 :myndzi!myndzi@198.58.96.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |
< 1420558533 740218 :myndzi!myndzi@198.58.96.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/|
< 1420558537 427276 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1420558548 841905 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1"> works like a charm.
< 1420558555 556389 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1420558636 367692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a calc(...) value which lets you put an expression using add, subtract, multiply, division, but no min or max operators? that's crazy
< 1420558662 214094 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sad.
< 1420558740 147777 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's separate min-width and max-width properties I think
< 1420558813 315568 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: sure, but calc is for more complicated expressions
< 1420558817 337599 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this?
< 1420558822 227193 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace|skool: CSS
< 1420558829 148454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-values/#calc-notation
< 1420558832 571598 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guessed
< 1420558837 919046 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/new/page.html
< 1420558855 861392 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it looks decent in my 24" TFT and on my smartphone
< 1420558901 8691 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I'm a fan of simple designs with not too much stuff around
< 1420558947 710560 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is some code really long weird line
< 1420558971 157788 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it supposed to have a green shading behind it
< 1420558990 750883 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1420559052 182025 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :How'd you Do that
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< 1420559308 623617 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace|skool: with background-color?
< 1420559336 914777 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1420559350 772271 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I can do is colour text
< 1420559512 647252 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what was that spit screen thing again
< 1420559639 196569 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright. I'm quite happy with that now.
< 1420559649 145847 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have the design. Now I need some ideas for content.
< 1420559673 985227 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It may be supposed to replace http://mroman.ch/)
< 1420559810 815435 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got my own homepage at it even says "Hi".
< 1420559814 634943 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1420559821 153700 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got my own homepage and it even says "Hi".
< 1420560032 157007 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Tadeboro 5*  10New user account
< 1420560059 365079 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1420560096 173242 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay new person
< 1420560108 140585 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you are all pink
< 1420560119 480079 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So?
< 1420560133 504486 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is very bright I must edit the colours
< 1420560179 585937 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.
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< 1420561166 609317 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ▯
< 1420561167 145942 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+25AF WHITE VERTICAL RECTANGLE]
< 1420561246 819014 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I think that didn't work as intended
< 1420561282 895801 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Eodermdrome14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41607&oldid=35375 5* 03Tadeboro 5* (+79) 10Change implementation section: add first implementation.
< 1420561288 874772 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1420561323 355228 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1420561359 154575 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+25AF TOWER OF IMPERIALISM
< 1420561467 483638 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone impled eodermdrome?
< 1420561492 407634 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"capable of executing a couple of commands per second"
< 1420561496 638466 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds pretty eodermdrome to me
< 1420561588 441732 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Eodermdrome14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41608&oldid=41607 5* 03Ais523 5* (+6) 10fix cats; copyedit
< 1420561673 775160 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm done with that language
< 1420561696 503548 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is now implemented?
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< 1420562175 145396 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1420562436 99419 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That guy must have a really slow computer, as my brute force interpreter does hundreds of substitutions per second
< 1420562605 318970 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye
< 1420562655 826698 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :byr
< 1420562659 323937 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuravfgvkqgalzqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye*
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< 1420563085 933530 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, 2 out of 2 extant interpreters don't implement the punctuated-whitespace syntax hth
< 1420563108 990384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, is the language going to get Underloaded again?
< 1420563191 297190 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Underloading
< 1420563334 179561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a language has some minor syntactical restriction that interpreter after interpreter forgets to implement
< 1420563346 773550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until eventually it gets removed from the definition of the language due to weight of interpreter opinion
< 1420563446 601664 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that's older than underload
< 1420563518 237706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1420563523 464778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload may be the most prominent case though?
< 1420563631 720562 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ template export......
< 1420563752 265895 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1420563858 687543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ isn't an esolang :-(
< 1420563865 608581 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1420563871 883451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, C++ has so many relevant features that saying "C++ed" would be ambiguous
< 1420563883 383436 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :design by committee?
< 1420563896 81463 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true; most esolangs aren't
< 1420563901 521444 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps they should be
< 1420563929 485563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well The Project That Shall Not Be Abbreviated As ABCDEF was a miserable failure
< 1420563998 9577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do F# repls exist?
< 1420564011 897809 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I much prefer ABCDEF... G
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< 1420564355 540632 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> where a language has some minor syntactical restriction that interpreter after interpreter forgets to implement
< 1420564357 911656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was this
< 1420564379 167638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most recently, any-punctuation-cancels-whitespace in Eodermdrome
< 1420564384 226025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :previously, " in Underload
< 1420564473 809651 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also [] in Underload?
< 1420564494 701939 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did underload even reserve []<>
< 1420564517 857356 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get to the other side? no wait. for future use?
< 1420564523 230448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally, for Overload compatibility, then I realised reserved characters would make writing interps in underpowered languages easier
< 1420564523 862538 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :42?
< 1420564670 544386 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :self
< 1420564781 508537 :self!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1420565047 627405 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :sighin
< 1420565150 932709 :sighin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :Their
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< 1420565323 673795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 42 like a really really old version of 2014?
< 1420565395 770348 :Their!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1420565425 608967 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :Guest94935
< 1420565433 48130 :Guest94935!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhout
< 1420565451 622091 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1420565644 273854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<www.tryfsharp.org> Welcome to Try F#! Your system does not support the execution of F# code in the browser.
< 1420565651 3706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried Firefox and Chromium
< 1420565682 662058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try with user agent set to IE11
< 1420565686 710652 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need the Silverlight plugin.
< 1420565695 248833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1420565696 266587 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT doesn't tell you this, for some reason.
< 1420565712 450325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be very awkward, seeing as silverlight's been discontinued
< 1420565713 901216 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a problem in Chrome and Opera both just loading the bar and then nothing happening.
< 1420565731 667009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I want to do is typecheck one term
< 1420565743 634853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a term that has previously been mentioned in #esoteric)
< 1420565746 844222 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideone has F#
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< 1420565826 203350 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ideone.com/a2jtJ6
< 1420565845 692157 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, thanks
< 1420565855 632316 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was busy using a search engine to determine the appropriate TLD
< 1420565866 851207 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No REPL or fancy Intellisense completion, but it does in a pinch.
< 1420565917 555587 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1420565924 148356 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's hope it prints the type of a term if I just enter it directly
< 1420565967 930689 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"standard output is empty"
< 1420565970 222986 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really very useful
< 1420565979 434462 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sure way to get its type is to make a typo
< 1420565993 598596 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ofc
< 1420565997 107575 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get it from the error message
< 1420565998 693036 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, better
< 1420566003 570091 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to add an int to it
< 1420566053 537616 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, I'm still getting "success"
< 1420566102 212383 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"error FS0002: This function takes too many arguments, or is used in a context where a function is not expected"
< 1420566107 775235 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on
< 1420566115 974379 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are Microsoft's error messages really that bad?
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< 1420566224 567298 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They aren't the best, no. 
< 1420566244 927057 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's frustrating me mroe is that MS apparently doesn't believe that F# should be used to actually write an application.
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< 1420566329 731462 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1420566329 877774 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
< 1420566382 60167 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get it to show types sometimes
< 1420566383 823507 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only simple ones
< 1420566412 612301 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1420566465 753775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it
< 1420566479 885930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick was to add an int that was specifically typecast to int to the function
< 1420566590 302410 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's unfortunate, and hopefully something that the open source team can start expanding on. As an MS project, F# is basically expected to be a library language for writing algorithms. Their answer to the state problem is 'fuck it, write that part in C#' mostly.
< 1420566627 720200 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a bummer, and also useless, because the whole reason I wanted to learn F# was to be able to make Windows apps in a functional language.
< 1420566854 569086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, adding newlines to this actually changes the meaning of the code
< 1420566871 706183 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. 
< 1420566886 13828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a "continue onto next line" operator?
< 1420566900 360274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries backslash-newline
< 1420566903 960992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1420566908 896018 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let in particular is whitespace sensitive: let = on single line is an assignment, let = followed by newline and indent is a function.
< 1420566919 151268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1420566922 576646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it isn't that
< 1420566923 283491 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you trying to do?
< 1420566960 152888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's my code:
< 1420566968 55891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fun m -> fun n -> (fun f -> f(m)(f(n)(fun z -> z)))(fun x -> (fun y -> y)))  + (4:int)
< 1420566998 37337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is intended for my PhD thesis as an illustration that most practical type algorithms don't do rank-2 type inference
< 1420567021 500227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, is your PhD thesis about rank-2 type inference?
< 1420567021 609586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so I want to try it on a range of practical type inference algorithms to demonstrate that they give it the "wrong" type
< 1420567028 736632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: indirectly
< 1420567037 118257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about contraction
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< 1420567047 598072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. "the act of using the same lambda binding more than once"
< 1420567048 119036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :People say that rank-2 types are inferrable but I'm not really sure what they mean.
< 1420567093 905737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they mean that an algorithm exists which, given a program, will work out whether it is possible to place rank-2 type annotations at appropriate points in the program so that that program types correctly
< 1420567103 48264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and also tell you where to put them)
< 1420567113 92543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and what they are)
< 1420567114 639739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no "most general type", though, right?
< 1420567129 606348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same issue as inferring existentials, I guess (or a very similar one).
< 1420567137 908344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inferring existentials also comes up :-)
< 1420567142 918852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can give (\x -> x x) a rank-2 type but I don't know that you want to.
< 1420567159 604371 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://pastebin.com/X21YdG0q
< 1420567162 231249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, there isn't a requirement for the type inference algo to be compositional
< 1420567181 988974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: that's exactly what I get from ideone
< 1420567185 551985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current issue is more mundane
< 1420567198 411687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the function, as written, is sufficiently long that at the font size I'm forced to use
< 1420567201 741768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't fit on the page
< 1420567212 717193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you can make it type-check with *some* type" doesn't seem all that useful.
< 1420567214 158524 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh. Hmm.
< 1420567239 112803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll read your thesis when it comes out.
< 1420567256 853844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's useful in that you can just write your whole program
< 1420567264 929847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the types will sort themselves out for you
< 1420567275 165521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I'm not sure if rank-2 inference is actually enough in this case, it's an open problem
< 1420567315 228899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rank-2 inference is sufficient to make the premises of my existing proof that something is badly broken not hold
< 1420567326 189877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly I've been getting around the problem with intersection typing though
< 1420567351 529070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that for the types to sort themselves out for you, you need to infer the right rank-2 types. But maybe I'm not thinking that through.
< 1420567366 841893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that only happens if you run inference on a bit of the program at the time
< 1420567376 885743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it infers the right type for your program, but it needs information on what the program is to do that
< 1420567396 793176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is the general definition of a non-compositional algorithm, incidentally)
< 1420567402 963489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, I think it's non-compositional
< 1420567410 406064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough.
< 1420567419 793807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to me that the whole point of types is to be compositional.
< 1420567435 408351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the way I think about it, is there's two layers
< 1420567437 252987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe they have other points too.
< 1420567441 365771 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It seems you can safely newline after the -> if you follow that with a tab (4 spaces).
< 1420567453 30763 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it doesn't complain in VS2013.
< 1420567468 778653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your actual syntax is compositional, the process of working out what to put in the syntax doesn't have to be
< 1420567527 684995 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : error FS0030: Value restriction. The value 'it' has been inferred to have generic type
< 1420567529 198666 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :    val it : (int -> '_a -> '_a)    
< 1420567530 707136 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either make the arguments to 'it' explicit or, if you do not intend for it to be generic, add a type annotation.
< 1420567543 555864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Are existentials also inferrable in the same context?
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< 1420567567 456810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely remember talking with dolio or someone about this but I don't remember the details of the conversation.
< 1420567578 233229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in my special context, yes, but it's a very unusual situation
< 1420567606 396487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually what I did was to put enough restrictions on the language that existentials and universals were equivalent, in the one special case where I needed existentials
< 1420567614 824264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which clearly doesn't work in general
< 1420567758 844944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything that does whole-program inference?
< 1420567863 514551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like a reasonable thing to do when compositional inference doesn't work
< 1420567872 592129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my research compiler does whole-program inference of SCC
< 1420567887 586235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of a compositional algo for that, there might be one though
< 1420567892 282438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but is there anything you know that does it?
< 1420567894 655986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCC?
< 1420567946 187659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strongly connected components?
< 1420568174 707724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntactic control of concurrency
< 1420568191 930215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, trying to get clojure to give me a useful type error is harder, so far I haven't figured out whether it's statically or dynamically typed
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< 1420568317 460426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, dynamically typed
< 1420568320 593730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't even do type inference
< 1420568325 327163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next!
< 1420568412 860385 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Statically typed Lisp would be an anomaly.
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< 1420568431 125763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well I tried to work out statically typed Underload once
< 1420568443 608948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it needs at least rank 2 types to work, though, probably more
< 1420568447 816643 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said an anomaly, not an impossibility.
< 1420568477 436619 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, all languages are statically typed if you define "type" to be a sufficiently-useless concept :)
< 1420568511 49031 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is one type. That type is called 'thing'. All values are of type 'thing'. This is statically guaranteed.
< 1420568549 828885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I actually define untyped lambda calculus like that in my thesis (only I called the type 'func')
< 1420568569 751543 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delightful!
< 1420568610 108887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and apparently Scala doesn't do type inference
< 1420568622 990127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a function, you have to write the types on manually
< 1420568671 113845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, based on my research so far, it seems like Haskell and OCaml really are the only really viable languages for highly functional programming atm
< 1420568694 538195 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idris :P
< 1420568709 79206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's pretty standard, isn't it?
< 1420568709 526792 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scala is considered viable by many
< 1420568712 941578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I actually have a requirement that the language isn't dependently-typed
< 1420568723 202035 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends what you mean by "highly functional" though
< 1420568729 565705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: not doing type inference at all is something of a dealbreaker for me
< 1420568731 170992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole T ~ T -> T CCC thing
< 1420568744 373357 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that joke CS journal? It had SHA jokes in it among other more interesting things
< 1420568784 858716 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and you're requiring statically typed as well?
< 1420568799 403378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here. have a term I have actualy used for a serious purpose: λ q.(λ g.g(λ x.g(qx)))(λ b.(λ k.((k(λ u.u))(λ l.((kb)(λ m.(l(m( skip ))))))))(λ v.λ w.wv))
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< 1420568800 741084 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't agree that you can't do "highly functional" code in a dynamically-typed language
< 1420568838 856387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well the very general field of my research is "get a compiler's to catch «error» at compiletime"
< 1420568847 440571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamically-typed languages are very bad at that
< 1420568851 933538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*get a compiler
< 1420568861 81761 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, fair
< 1420568905 840408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the error in question for my thesis is "write a program that potentially requires infinite amounts of memory to execute"
< 1420568906 817031 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who picked \lvert and \rvert as macro names in tech
< 1420568912 393693 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing absolute values is tedious
< 1420568935 642259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. I'm trying to statically enforce that programs use only finite amounts of memory
< 1420568957 150739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which in turn means that they can be statically compared, for reasons #esoteric should be well aware of)
< 1420568971 678812 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1420569007 962633 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels like it's related in some way to corecursion. is it? or am I just imagining things?
< 1420569008 84112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the motivating reason for /that/ is so that they can be compiled to hardware in a way that uses static memory allocation
< 1420569017 883871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bringing the memory to the program, rather than the other way round
< 1420569022 32120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what corecursion is
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< 1420569095 125368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: oh, I should probably cite you for help with the syntax
< 1420569104 768477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a name you can be cited under?
< 1420569112 979009 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. :D Sure. I'm John Berry. 
< 1420569195 369839 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: recursion works by breaking down to base cases, corecursion works by building up from them
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< 1420569216 489113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ah right, sort-of like forward chaining in Prolog
< 1420569321 157748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric now has two citations in my thesis :-)
< 1420569375 294295 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1420569414 488190 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://atreus.technomancy.us/firmware
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< 1420569929 880954 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
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< 1420570975 186774 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it's fine to cite irc channes?
< 1420571003 927503 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Iexp14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41611&oldid=41609 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+24) 10output only
< 1420571023 59271 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This IRC is logged, so it should help.
< 1420571117 245247 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to do that, to!
< 1420571183 624816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: was citing individual people within it
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< 1420571884 261969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: J_Arcane has mentioned ideone, but http://rextester.com/runcode also has F#. rextester generally seems to have a better interface, but here you might care more about what compiler or libraries it uses to compile rather than its web interface.
< 1420571897 448695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just used the first one that worked
< 1420571943 183537 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"are Microsoft's error messages really that bad?" -- yes, they are terrible, at least in their C++ compiler
< 1420572137 948426 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I got so quickly used to F# errors being unintelligible that on one account while writing resume.fsx I actually completely missed a missing function argument because I was so used to that error being wrong that the idea it was actually telling me the problem never occured to me.
< 1420572257 991783 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hi
< 1420572390 173979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
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< 1420572504 197331 :Gregor``!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1420572511 268965 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I ais523 about M:tG and he figured quickly that even in vanilla you can get a state where there's a non-creature aura without an "enchant" ability
< 1420572511 624047 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for long enough to matter)
< 1420572577 791360 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the easiest way is to manifest an aura, then cast Turn on it, then cast Break Open on it.
< 1420572590 12113 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a way to do it with older sets only, but it's more complicated.
< 1420572605 628937 :Gregor``!dlopen@libdl.so NICK :Gregor
< 1420572686 197411 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-hmm. Pondering slumming it in some Javascript for a bit, and it strikes me there's an interesting philosophical dilemma in targeting JS for a port of my resume generator. 
< 1420572762 807375 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: what?
< 1420572793 735149 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY 'resume' is a simple script that generates itself from some text data files.
< 1420572828 395284 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current versions so far do so by outputting to Markdown, but that seems like a needless intermediary step with .js.
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< 1420575790 588445 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wheee. http://rextester.com/CLX22519
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< 1420576032 920586 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1420576229 731675 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: What is the way with older cards?
< 1420576391 346545 :Guest74803!~reynir@reynir.dk NICK :reynir
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< 1420576985 69257 :reynir1!~reynir@unaffiliated/reynir NICK :reynir
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< 1420577098 744911 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: we found only a very complicated way, there's probably a simpler one. let me check the backscroll.
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< 1420577136 474549 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Animate a Mizzium Transreqliquat, activate its ability to copy an artifact aura, and as a reaction, cast Turn to the Transreliquat.
< 1420577170 841609 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's really inefficient, it needs like ten different cards to pull it off.
< 1420577182 242498 :Guest2221!~reynir@unaffiliated/reynir NICK :reynir
< 1420577224 278035 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1420577294 681227 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need a card to make an artifact aura, such as Mycosynth Lattice or Liquimetal Coating
< 1420577324 772900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's not _that_ bad, only like five cards besides basic lands
< 1420577327 378251 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was worse
< 1420577373 208396 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that still uses Turn, which is quite recent (it went out last rotation)
< 1420577422 129629 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, six cards
< 1420577437 441081 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to Shatter the Animate Artifact before the Transreliquat's ability resolves
< 1420577457 167220 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: oh... yeah, that makes sense, it's a fuse card
< 1420577465 410408 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to do it without Turn?
< 1420577480 649899 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is
< 1420577490 554125 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1420577529 890623 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use a Humble with Teferi, Mage of Z
< 1420577533 634279 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of Turn
< 1420577547 338492 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1420577552 406477 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just Humble
< 1420577554 149504 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an instant
< 1420577575 169185 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so Turn doesn't even really help
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< 1420578203 232952 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means the newest card in this is Mizzium Transreliquat, from Guildpact
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< 1420578892 963808 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1420579421 337067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked in other IRC and got conflicting answers about what exactly is "the point the creature is declared as an attacker"; declaring an attacker doesn't seem to be a single point though.
< 1420579430 835655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example: If I have Blood Pet, War Tax, Sightless Brawler, and Guardians of Akrasa, and then I activate War Tax, declare an attack with Blood Pet and Sightless Brawler, and pay for the cost imposed by War Tax by sacrificing Blood Pet, what happens?
< 1420579489 700674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do *you* know??? Is this a mistake made by whoever wrote the rules?
< 1420579542 950668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: uh, I'm not up for that now, sorry. scarf?
< 1420579550 824503 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1420579556 896211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's the start of the declare attackers phase
< 1420579644 227012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK, so as soon as 508 begins.
< 1420579655 647362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you learn these things?
< 1420579687 142467 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ais reads way more rules and judge material than I'd ever done
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< 1420579936 65797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It seems to me from the rules that you declare attackers in 508.1a, and then check all the conditions at once in 508.1c.
< 1420579993 112125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you've declared two creatures as attacking, and then sacrificed one to pay a cost.
< 1420580075 360570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 508.1c is for restrictions, not triggers. There are then requirements at 508.1d, and costs at 508.1g. It looks to me like you are in the process of declaring.
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< 1420580164 462065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, 508.1g isn't part of 508.1c.
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< 1420582225 702665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether or not it is doesn't seem relevant to answer my question.
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< 1420584489 242204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :From my variant planeswalkers rules it suggest to me a new kind of keyword ability called "planestrample", which actually can sometimes be used even if there are no planeswalker cards.
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< 1420585465 196030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome the_astrologer
< 1420585466 502688 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09the_astrologer: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08<http://esolangs.org/>. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06irc.dal.net.)
< 1420585530 902078 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what would that ability do? trample extra combat damage over a planeswalker to its controller player?
< 1420585600 259377 :the_astrologer!~user@184-88-39-9.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks elliott, HackEgo
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< 1420585801 733455 :the_astrologer!~user@184-88-39-9.res.bhn.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1420585857 603490 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what is the most boring number?
< 1420585857 722737 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: why a waste?
< 1420585898 697812 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: isn't being the most boring number kinda interesting?
< 1420585934 17372 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. I think that's the proof that no number can be boring. Read somewhere.
< 1420585946 377917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Kind of
< 1420585973 909211 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nlfnjqqveghxcols PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 
< 1420585984 406999 :Solace|skool!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nlfnjqqveghxcols NICK :Solace
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< 1420586059 180393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if a "planeswalkers are players" variant then it means: If this would deal damage (even if it isn't combat damage) to a player that would exceed his life total, the remaining damage is redirected to that player's controller. (Usually a player controls himself, so there is no effect.)
< 1420586255 651311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The variant planeswalkers rule does what you said with combat damage, but also works if a player is being controlled due to Mindslaver or whatever.)
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< 1420586601 148166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid slow netjoins
< 1420586668 12875 :weissschloss!~viskestel@li607-220.members.linode.com QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1420586671 555875 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you're all back. That was exciting.
< 1420586687 884578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think one is missing?
< 1420586720 719762 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you possibly tell?
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< 1420586758 226852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti hasn't rejoined
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< 1420586792 15960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: irssi tells me how many left (although it left out 3 names) and how many rejoined
< 1420586797 866515 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, maybe nortii quit just after the netsplit
< 1420586807 116014 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1420586813 91050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although the latter got split up over 6 lines)
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< 1420586832 355836 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hurrah!
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< 1420587234 440748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Taneb> ais523, I was looking for the list that fungot ignores (is there such a list?) <-- iirc the command is ^ignore but it only responds to fizzie, even when just querying the list
< 1420587234 522726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ignore
< 1420587234 581932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did consider allowing the latter but that would obviously require rewriting fungot code...
< 1420587234 862348 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: then d has matured since i last used arj. with lynx that is:
< 1420587234 905904 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so the hash function can, for instance, when the whim ( anger?) explodes, that has the confirmed rules of competition...
< 1420587236 932234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm fizzie's server isn't responding to /whois
< 1420587268 740275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there, someone is lagged
< 1420587276 563846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1420587276 607059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1420587305 608013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably fizzie and fungot then
< 1420587305 680006 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you respecting the ctl-v ctl-x ctl-c tradition? this is the
< 1420587309 823225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh or no one
< 1420587338 790809 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh
< 1420587340 492077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i use ctrl-c and ctrl-v, but rarely ctrl-x
< 1420587340 628127 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: non-recursive let has always seemed a little fnord up, ashanks!!
< 1420587368 272207 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how will my exam tomorrow go?
< 1420587368 488560 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://tools.ietf.org/ rfc/ fnord and the heap is about to use scanf in c++ code, not the cd :p.
< 1420587425 504687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: iirc Taneb is studying math so that seems somewhat irrelevant
< 1420587425 586895 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a b c
< 1420587435 559883 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'm doing maths and computer science
< 1420587439 230715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1420587443 606699 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomorrow's exam is for vision and graphics, though
< 1420587517 864075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck then
< 1420587545 37077 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, someone caused a botloop in another channel by having a webpage whose title made one bot evaluate a brainfuck program which printed the url of  page, which another bot 
< 1420587549 653078 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :printed the title of
< 1420587604 3263 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://runciman.hacksoc.org/~lordaro/bf.html
< 1420587614 148535 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He spent all day working on it
< 1420587696 575514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm didn't there use to be a url title bot here
< 1420587711 101812 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so?
< 1420587731 372469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it was in #haskell way back when i was there
< 1420587753 404471 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is one in #haskell
< 1420587760 532106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot used to do it
< 1420587763 569555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1420587845 144637 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think tomorrow's exam is an exercise in making sure you actually go to the goddamn lectures in future
< 1420587904 77701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1420587978 27193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> note that most weird-screen-sized browsers are good at zooming <-- i have seen blogs which manage to make the width of the main text area _smaller_ when i zoom :(
< 1420588020 376000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on my laptop with IE)
< 1420588046 137308 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why the fuck some mobile sites actually forbid me to zoom
< 1420588150 588018 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, space carving looks interesting
< 1420588178 292265 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :seam carving*? (or something unrelated?)
< 1420588181 513518 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, if I could have been bothered with this module, I'd have really enjoyed it
< 1420588198 163220 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, it's a way to construct a 3D model from some images
< 1420588205 37300 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, something unrelated then
< 1420588212 863914 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds interesting
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< 1420588232 747734 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm really annoyed at myself for not going to these lectures :(
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< 1420588291 973577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any browsers have some concept of "this site is broken; allow me to overrule specific broken features of it?"
< 1420588321 565511 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc Opera did? It's been a while since I've used it, though
< 1420588364 92612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1420588607 893745 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I remember for a time a few years ago- when I still used Windows- I decided that of course the best thing to do was to have ALL THE BROWSERS installed)
< 1420588615 472910 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think I had Netscape on there)
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< 1420590122 622658 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must buy milk tomorrow...
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< 1420591626 364855 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07XRF14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41612 5* 03Scoppini 5* (+3618) 10Created page with "'''XRF''' is a [[stack]]-based [[esoteric programming language]] designed by [[User:Scoppini]] in 2015.  ==Overview==  XRF operates on a stack of nonnegative integers of arbit..."
< 1420591666 298465 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Scoppini14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41613 5* 03Scoppini 5* (+30) 10Created page with "Hello there. I created [[XRF]]"
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< 1420591940 332659 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm still pondering the question of whether or not there's a "standard arithmetically sound theory".
< 1420591964 183829 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say it's "obvious" that Peano arithmetic is arithmetically sound. After all, all its axioms are true.
< 1420591979 278041 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'd definitely say it's "not obvious" that ZFC is arithmetically sound. After all, all its axioms are made up.
< 1420592007 835224 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: are you pondering platonism?
< 1420592021 291146 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose.
< 1420592027 945011 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what I mean by "standard" here.
< 1420592029 374329 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :people have been pondering that for a while
< 1420592054 257750 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you just take as an axiom every "obvious" first-order statement about the natural numbers?
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< 1420592073 541343 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PA does approximately that, of course.
< 1420592073 756903 :dianne_!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne NICK :dianne
< 1420592657 54553 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. Consider PA-0, a synonym of PA. PA-0 is arithmetically sound.
< 1420592673 45033 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now consider PA-0 + "PA-0 is arithmetically sound". Is this theory arithmetically sound?
< 1420592687 612746 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All you did was add a true axiom to an arithmetically sound theory.
< 1420592734 365887 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If all the axioms of a theory are true, then the theory must be arithmetically sound. Right? Is that how that works?
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< 1420592757 445127 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :PA-0 + "PA-0 is arithmetically sound" != PA-0 though.
< 1420592777 280812 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct.
< 1420592806 861459 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't you want to check that the newly-added axiom doesn't cause any paradoxes when used together with the old axioms?
< 1420592818 916892 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you would.
< 1420592839 701247 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But truth is closed under modus ponens.
< 1420592854 386024 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if all the axioms of a theory are true, and the only inference rule is modus ponens, then all the consequences of the theory are true.
< 1420592900 725309 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if PA-0 is arithmetically sound, then PA-0 + "PA-0 is arithmetically sound" is arithmetically sound. I think.
< 1420592905 201251 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So call the new theory PA-1.
< 1420592959 37796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Gödel night
< 1420592972 16491 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I sense a paradox. Doesn't PA-1 prove that PA-1 is arithmetically sound?
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< 1420593047 387114 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PA-1 proves that PA-0 is arithmetically sound. Therefore, PA-1 proves that every theorem of PA-0 is true. Does PA-1 prove that the statement "PA-0 is arithematically sound" is true?
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< 1420593179 352038 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it does, then PA-1 proves that every axiom of PA-0 + "PA-0 is arithmetically sound" is true. Which is to say, PA-1 proves that every axiom of PA-1 is true.
< 1420593193 900891 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm pretty sure that PA-1 actually doesn't prove that the statement "PA-0 is arithmetically sound" is true.
< 1420593215 27753 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, I don't think you can define truth in PA-1.
< 1420593294 628484 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we're good.
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< 1420593314 930481 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the same argument, PA-1 + "PA-1 is arithmetically sound" is arithmetically sound. Call this theory PA-2.
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< 1420593343 380676 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, by the same argument, PA + "PA-n is arithmetically sound for all natural numbers n". Call this theory PA-omega.
< 1420593373 293222 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, there's also PA-omega+1, which is PA-omega + "PA-omega is arithmetically sound".
< 1420593382 176989 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.
< 1420593393 465079 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arithmetic soundness can't be defined in arithmetic. Whoops.
< 1420593409 8525 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, pretend that instead of "arithmetically sound", I said "consistent", everywhere above.
< 1420593445 12828 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it almost seems like for any ordinal number p, we can define the system PA-p as PA + "PA-n is consisten for all ordinal numbers n less than p".
< 1420593472 811620 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this depends on "ordinal number less than p" being definable in arithmetic.
< 1420593601 6520 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which raises a simple question.
< 1420593634 557590 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How large can ordinal numbers go before their arithmetic niceness starts to break down?
< 1420593825 678562 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There ought to be some ordinal number p which is the smallest ordinal number p such that "ordinal number less than p" isn't definable in arithmetic.
< 1420594222 832283 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lisp2d14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41614 5* 03Cluid Zhasulelm 5* (+1604) 10creational
< 1420595083 939249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Deewiant https://github.com/shinh/beflisp/blob/master/beflisp.bef !!!
< 1420595084 139406 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1420597267 570288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might make more sense if whether or not a loyalty ability has already been used in one turn is also a status of a permanent, so that all permanents are initially "ready" each turn (regardless who controls it) but then a loyalty ability makes it to be unready so that it cannot be used again. I don't know entirely, but, it make a few sense to me.
< 1420597355 822609 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. By Godel's completeness theorem, a statement is provable in a theory if and only if it is true in all models of the theory. I think. Something like that.
< 1420597386 373467 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So coming up with a "standard obviously arithmetically sound theory" is, I suppose, the same thing as coming up with a standard collection of models of arithmetic.
< 1420597428 839047 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, the collection has to include some non-standard models.
< 1420597624 625720 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But which ones?
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< 1420597796 91046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If you think the rules are mistaken, you can write Wizards of the Coast, I think.
< 1420597809 922920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact you can ven write them when you're not sure about a ruling. Or so I hear.
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< 1420598143 366779 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rulings department of their customer service is actually really good
< 1420598157 254567 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the rules manager takes questions on tumblr, but normally gives snarky replies for amusement value
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< 1420598544 391136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules are either mistaken or unclear, I am unsure which. (Possibly both.)
< 1420598657 447334 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't think that "PA-0 is artihmetically sound" is expressible in first-order logic, at least not using the language of PA. (Truth in the standard model of PA is not definable in PA.) So it's unclear what PA-1 is; it has to differ from PA-0 in more than just the axioms.
< 1420598705 325013 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: right, arithmetic soundness can't be defined in arithmetic.
< 1420598779 345640 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So pretend I said "consistent" instead.
< 1420598879 434622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the rules for declaring an attack, it never says they are "declared as an attacker". At first it says creatures are "chosen", and later on some of them "become an attacking creature". It doesn't seem to properly define "declared as an attacker" as far as I can tell.
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< 1420599180 203189 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Ok. Then PA-1 is consistent if PA-0 is; and if PA-1 has the standard model as a model then it actually proves that PA-0 is consistent. Very circular.
< 1420599228 751748 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're saying that if PA-0 (which is to say, PA) is consistent, then PA-1 (which is to say, PA + "PA is consistent") is consistent?
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< 1420599261 638060 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's provable in ZFC.
< 1420599263 592818 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because we know that consistency of PA is independent of the axioms of PA; it can neither be proved nor disproved in PA.
< 1420599277 655869 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a meta-theorem, of course.
< 1420599336 561773 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :inside the theory, there's no doubt that PA-1 proves consistency of PA-0. It's just unclear whether PA-1 has a model ;-)
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< 1420599373 404757 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the meaning of "consistency" changes in non-standard models; you can have non-standard proves.
< 1420599381 626338 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*proofs (ouch)
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< 1420599418 559388 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is why (PA + "PA is inconsistent") is consistent, assuming PA is.)
< 1420599445 551255 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/why/how/
< 1420599555 459840 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, do you know where i could read about a nonstandard consistency proof?
< 1420599721 115986 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There isn't anything to what I said beyond Gödel's Incompleteness theorem (and surrounding theory of first-order logic, like compactness, Löwenheim-Skolem, and Gödel's completeness theorem).
< 1420599753 214630 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a statement that is independent of the axioms of PA, then you can add the statement itself or its negation to the axioms and obtain a consistent theory.
< 1420599754 830298 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, non-standard proofs are just non-standard integers with the property of being proofs.
< 1420599764 847915 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one of these theories will have the standard model of PA as a model.
< 1420599773 361117 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So just read about non-standard numbers.
< 1420599786 628518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of numbers, what are some interesting characterizations of the reals?
< 1420599887 237429 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. That's the question. Right, Gödel encodes proofs as natural numbers. Since there is a proof of false in our new theory, and because we know that no natural number corresponds to a proof of false, there must be a non-natural number in some model (that's a non-standard number) that is interpreted as a "proof" for false; that's what I meant by non-standard proof.
< 1420599934 89354 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is likely to present an infinite, possibly circular, proof tree.)
< 1420600065 468856 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont really understand about nonstandard consistency proof, I thinkI got mixed up
< 1420600078 169971 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :a consistency proof just shows the theory valid
< 1420600086 268073 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :we get nonstandard models from the godel stuff
< 1420600108 226852 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: No. We have expressed "T(PA) is consistent" as a first-order sentence in PA itself.
< 1420600142 618171 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: Basically that's "For all n, n does not represent a proof of 0=1."
< 1420600192 150351 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: the negation is "There exists an n such that n represents a proof of 0=1". And that statement is true in models of "PA + PA is inconsistent"
< 1420600227 519681 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow!!!
< 1420600239 249704 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck :)
< 1420600248 774036 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: But such models are non-standard models, so 'n' does not have to be a natural number. And that changes the meaning of "n represents a proof of 0=1" to include things that are not actually proofs.
< 1420600263 258796 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see! thanks for explaining it to me
< 1420600268 250024 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats very mind bending
< 1420600283 725306 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the numbers are called non-standard numbers, and that term naturally carries over to the proofs that such numbers represent.
< 1420600621 908349 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. A theory can assert that there exists a natural number n satisfying a property P, while also, for every natural number n, asserting that n does not satisfy the property P.
< 1420600633 781191 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, this is called omega-inconsistency.
< 1420600640 553515 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which isn't actually a type of inconsistency.
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< 1420602068 712892 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoy.
< 1420602102 840978 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm trying to think how successfully you could define the ordinal numbers in arithmetic.
< 1420602146 893270 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can define the definable ones, and probably can't define the undefinable ones
< 1420602172 220783 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather, how successfully you could define "ordinal number".
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< 1420602241 259451 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :As successfully as any other recursively enumerable theory can
< 1420602301 85707 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are a couple definitions of a recursive ordinal (one less than the Church-Kleene ordinal), all equivalent. One is a computer program calculating a well-order on the natural numbers.
< 1420602362 121298 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually sure how you could define "computer program calculating a well-order on the natural numbers" in arithmetic.
< 1420602374 642106 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can define a computer program calculating a total order.
< 1420602384 929477 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you define wellness of an order?
< 1420602470 683288 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can't.
< 1420602513 682636 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in FOL you can't.
< 1420602608 826377 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not quite true. If you regard set theory as a first-order theory with \in as a constant then of course you can...
< 1420602628 764854 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want ordinals as arithmetic functions?
< 1420602637 440882 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but I'm thinking first-order logic over the integers.
< 1420602665 81927 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in PA, with a defined relation on natural numbers, you can't express that the relation is well-founded.
< 1420602674 152616 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1420602698 129697 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if we go way back to that thing I was trying to do...
< 1420602700 81087 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41615&oldid=41596 5* 03Scoppini 5* (+10) 10
< 1420602749 106419 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For an ordinal number p, I wanted to define PA-p as PA + "PA-n is consistent for all ordinal numbers n less than p".
< 1420602760 850179 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, you know what's completely possible?
< 1420602788 639162 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can take all true statements and collect them in a first-order theory.
< 1420602807 452147 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It escapes Gödel's incompleteness theorem because it's not a recursive theory.
< 1420602828 739262 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :("truth" being w.r.t. the standard model)
< 1420602842 241707 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For any set T that's well-founded and hereditarily recursively enumerable, you can define PA-T as PA + "PA-S is consistent for all elements S of T".
< 1420602923 771687 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think you can weaken "recursively enumerable" to permit oracle machines or whatever.
< 1420603413 432297 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, T just has to be well-founded and the collection of all its hereditary elements has to have a definable membership relation.
< 1420603451 194942 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the smallest ordinal number which fails to have that property?
< 1420603553 210012 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that can be rephrased like so: what's the smallest infinite ordinal number that isn't the order type of a well-ordering of the natural numbers which is definable using only quantifiers over the natural numbers?
< 1420603575 239334 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it this one, which came up here recently? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church-Kleene_ordinal
< 1420603606 250421 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure it's not.
< 1420603612 898263 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to answer such questions.
< 1420603686 647831 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there are several other funny ordinals linked from that page.
< 1420603781 690621 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it is that one.
< 1420603811 340440 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. I gotta sleep.
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< 1420603816 982488 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night, everyone.
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< 1420606680 919307 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: bc2bef.cc's genInt should totally be using fungify... but I don't think it'll make it much more efficient
< 1420606705 734571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how much work a full LLVM backend would be :p
< 1420606847 690916 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's missing?
< 1420606963 373332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe nothing? the converter looked kinda short.
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< 1420607028 194069 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least function definitions and calls, it seems
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< 1420609695 690849 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if Dojo is any good
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< 1420612351 595900 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whee! http://jsfiddle.net/aenerkoh/1/
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< 1420612515 379969 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesnt work
< 1420612569 763757 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Does your browser support innerText?
< 1420612577 834282 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, what's wrong with it exactly?
< 1420612579 511066 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using //@ to indicate sourceURL pragmas is deprecated. Use //# instead
< 1420612603 291860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't you use textContent instead of innerText?
< 1420612619 130461 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: probably, but was lazy and only using it for debugging
< 1420612621 475167 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go change it
< 1420612644 658782 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :textContent doesn't support \n?
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< 1420612671 706883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine that it does, and behaves the same as typing a newline into the HTML yourself.
< 1420612672 182325 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :textContent version: http://jsfiddle.net/aenerkoh/2/
< 1420612683 996622 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why does \n work with innerText?
< 1420612693 341773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. Isn't innerText an IE thing?
< 1420612709 970362 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working for me in Chrome
< 1420614129 285716 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07XRF14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41616&oldid=41612 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+91) 10Corrected 'E' and clarified 'A' a bit.
< 1420614748 89638 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07XRF14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41617&oldid=41616 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+27) 10'E' again, now it should be right.
< 1420615220 41001 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn
< 1420615301 644118 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think those procedures with the humbled aura I described yesterday don't really work. The problem is that they create an aura permanent that isn't attached to anything and is already on the battlefield, so it will be put to the graveyard by state-based effects before you could do anything.
< 1420615317 706045 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to somehow humble an aura that is already attached, which seems much more difficult.
< 1420615410 566191 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps that could still be done somehow
< 1420615453 281431 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41618&oldid=41477 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+325) 10Added XRF.
< 1420615556 800899 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me thing...
< 1420615668 241213 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07XRF14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41619&oldid=41617 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+57) 10Linked a truth-machine.
< 1420615956 748567 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make Mizzium Transreliquat copy Cranial Plating with the second ability. Stack the ability to make it copy Holy Strength (Liquimetal Coated), then stack the Plating's ability to attach it to a bear. Then Animate Artifact it (using Teferi), Humble it, Shatter the Animate, resolve the attach (valid because it's an equipment), resolve the copy. Now it's an attached humbled aura.
< 1420615962 225789 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ^
< 1420616023 394978 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are we trying to do?
< 1420616084 517286 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: get a state where you have an aura permanent with no "enchant" ability, 
< 1420616119 216012 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the rules aren't quite clear what such a permanent can be attached to in a valid way, so it's unclear whether it can even remain on the battlefield, and what you can reattach it to (such as with Simic Guildmage)
< 1420616152 459226 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difficulty is that it has to be a _noncreature_ aura
< 1420616159 191607 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a creature aura doesn't hang along for long enough
< 1420616189 256546 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has to be attached or just coming into play, because an unattached aura doesn't hang along for long enough either
< 1420616219 201833 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first attempted solution was to manifest a Holy Strength, then Humble it, then Break Open it
< 1420616227 693666 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it's not attached to anything
< 1420616263 8997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this way I think it can remain attached, because a humbled non-cretaure equipment can clearly remain attached
< 1420616356 382664 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's possible
< 1420616369 924587 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? does the procedure I said not work?
< 1420616472 295730 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't know the rules for manifest
< 1420616482 260393 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the complicated one I said doesn't use manifest
< 1420616496 935006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't use anything newer than ravnica (mirrodin I think actually)
< 1420616509 379918 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Mizzium Transreliquat
< 1420616513 309516 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let me read it
< 1420616523 356580 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no wait
< 1420616534 916837 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir from Time Spiral
< 1420616557 27497 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's the older way to replace that, putting an aura into play at instant speed?
< 1420616591 843205 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok yeah, I think that works
< 1420616602 364963 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, no
< 1420616608 432644 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an aura creature, so it goes to the graveyard
< 1420616622 726442 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does happen, but only momentarily
< 1420616641 886176 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it doesn't become an aura before we shatter the animate artifact
< 1420616659 916283 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh
< 1420616698 293771 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I need "Animate Artifact", an aura, rather than an instant, but I wonder how to get around that without using Teferi
< 1420616795 254843 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :orrery?
< 1420616807 718711 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :teferi doesn't let you cast noncreatures at instant-speed either
< 1420616813 276467 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh!
< 1420616820 424986 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need Vedalken Orrery
< 1420616841 75282 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isn't there some older card that just lets me either cast an enchantment card or put it into play at instant speed?
< 1420616860 235748 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Vedalken Orrery works of course
< 1420616926 586529 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :March of the Machines works instead of Animate Artifact, but that doesn't really help
< 1420617231 468381 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful. http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=19736
< 1420617295 913862 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(via http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Flash )
< 1420617301 855852 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh!
< 1420617305 491710 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vernal Equinox
< 1420617432 102235 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so either Vernal Equinox or Vedalken Orrery works
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< 1420617798 332174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also Hypergenesis cast with Quicken, but Hypergenesis is way too new
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< 1420617828 979697 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we found a problem with that construction of the non-creature aura without enchant, but I think we found a way to fix it with zzo38
< 1420617832 537448 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ping
< 1420617836 714867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1420617867 536891 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the problem is that our previous constructions create an aura that isn't attached to anything and isn't just right now coming to play, so it's put to the gy as a state-based effect and doesn't live long enough
< 1420617873 425337 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fix is this:
< 1420617888 560454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make Mizzium Transreliquat copy Cranial Plating with the second ability. Stack the ability to make it copy Holy Strength (Liquimetal Coated), 
< 1420617921 429599 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then stack the Plating's ability to attach it to a bear. Then Animate Artifact it (using Vedalken Orrery or Vernal Equinox), Humble it, Shatter the Animate, resolve the attach (valid because it's an equipment), resolve the copy.
< 1420617925 882788 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's an attached humbled aura.
< 1420617960 439883 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trick is that while it's a non-creature equipment, it can unquestionable remain attached to a bear even if it's humbled.
< 1420618079 373601 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what is the intention of this rule, "Auras that can enchant a player can target and be attached to players. Such Auras can’t target permanents and can’t be attached to permanents."
< 1420618087 679763 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So before the final step, resolving the copy of an aura, you have to have a humbled non-creature equipment attached to a creature.
< 1420618126 868041 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humble doesn't change types or subtypes.
< 1420618156 587245 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Without the Enchant ability, the aura can target players, hence not permanents? ...)
< 1420618183 906029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: You mean, why is it necessary?
< 1420618212 182040 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I doubt it's necessary, I think it's answering an FAQ.
< 1420618221 808196 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or trying to, anyway.
< 1420618247 894074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are a lot of rules that just clarify things and aren't strictly necessary.
< 1420618483 106350 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm trying to figure out the effect of that rule in the absence of Enchant abilities, with "Copy Enchantment" in mind. AFAIU, you play that spell, and choose a target. When it resolves, you replace it by an Aura on the battlefield. But there's no "Enchant" ability in effect when you pick the target. I wonder if that's right...
< 1420618511 979002 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, maybe later...
< 1420618549 640614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: There's no targeting as such when you cast it, is there?
< 1420618580 402572 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"303.4a An Aura spell requires a target, which is restricted by its enchant ability."
< 1420618596 327618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but Copy Enchantment isn't an Aura spell.
< 1420618606 183348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It becomes an aura when it resolves, but it's not a spell at that point.
< 1420618613 768515 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Animate Artifact is an uncommon in revised? nice
< 1420618628 130176 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that's right.
< 1420618630 417234 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means it's super-cheap
< 1420618639 312898 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks.
< 1420618661 495106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, revised was ages ago
< 1420618664 335478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As long as enchanted artifact isn't a creature, it's an artifact creature with power and toughness each equal to its converted mana cost."
< 1420618670 676759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also ensoul artifact from the most recent core set
< 1420618673 592884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo great phrasing
< 1420618681 14053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might work a bit better
< 1420618687 447534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about layers, I guess?
< 1420618733 757819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, the ability can't cancel out its own effect
< 1420618741 91575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't look at itself to see whether to trigger or not
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< 1420618784 815243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you don't mean trigger in the game sense of the word.
< 1420618806 495908 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I didn't know about Ensoul Artifact, nice
< 1420618809 304523 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1420618819 29091 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I wanted to do this with cards from ravnica or older if possible
< 1420618836 592298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: right, I didn't
< 1420618845 214619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Why?
< 1420618850 663539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: any reason to favour old cards?
< 1420618946 639051 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Container14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41620 5* 03T.J.S.1 5* (+195) 10Created page with "== Implementation == Is there any implementation for this language yet? If not, I might (or might not) write one. ~~~~"
< 1420619085 482255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: perhaps ravnica is too strict, but I just wanted to make sure it's not something in the rules that's broken only recently and they just hadn't had time to catch up and fix the rules in next set update
< 1420619161 546371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rules changes affect old cards too.
< 1420619178 855573 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also I don't know cards after m12 well enough, so I want to know that there's rules breakage possible even with cards I should have known, not only with new cards I might have never seen,
< 1420619188 347985 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thuogh admittedly it's _my_ fault that I'm not following new sets much
< 1420619194 539351 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sure
< 1420619203 174715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Convoke was in Ravnica, right?
< 1420619231 128431 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes
< 1420619241 758012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was changed recently.
< 1420619245 31257 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
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< 1420619373 999832 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was one real rules breakage I found once that has existed from Ravnica to approximately Eventide when I found it and they fixed it
< 1420619380 992645 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm proud of that
< 1420619441 441969 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it?
< 1420619752 244572 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: it wasn't specified what Patron of the Akki's "offering" ability does if you sacrifice a hybrid card like Boros Recruit
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< 1420620998 518565 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07XRF14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41621&oldid=41619 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+434) 10Added a random generator.
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< 1420621145 360352 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07XRF14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41622&oldid=41621 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+0) 10"top" -> "two"
< 1420621269 894627 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?ultimate+problem what's wrong with these statistics? 13 - 0B / 11B / 1B
< 1420621391 698105 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whitespace is not counted, if that's what you mean
< 1420621514 83158 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it seems like most of those scores are not really following the intent. 
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< 1420622381 192329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://i.imgur.com/PINcCUy.gif alright which one of you did this
< 1420622552 694047 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this??
< 1420622595 769506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :r0nk isn't in this channel hth
< 1420622726 932190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: state machine diagram
< 1420622774 25326 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitchs: crazy
< 1420622785 545339 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you get it
< 1420622791 348041 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont understand @_@
< 1420622792 721600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hacker news :(
< 1420622832 297438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nodes with two paths to follow are the loop transitions?
< 1420622870 143388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/r0nk/ward
< 1420622965 15665 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :most interesting is that he seems to have implemented some kind of ASCII art graph layout program
< 1420623039 241191 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/r0nk/simplecpu
< 1420623048 712819 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy is very good at getting to the front page of hackernews
< 1420623061 861352 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2
< 1420623398 812799 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said there had to be a down to earth way to put the Animate Artifact to play at instant speed without giving it flash with Vedalken Orrery or Vernal Equinox, and without heavy magic like clockspinned Hypergenesis.  There is, though it doesn't improve this construction: 
< 1420623440 177982 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play the enchantment earlier, exile it with an Oblivion Ring, and get it back at instant speed with Disenchant.
< 1420623513 529524 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course, the heavy wizardry here is not this part anyway. It's the Mizzium Transreliquat which is the key piece.)
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< 1420624060 622403 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't seem to be easy to replace either, because I think it's the only card with a "become a copy" ability that can copy from a non-creature.
< 1420624118 139061 :RTL2832U!~Mark@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker NICK :SopaXorzTaker
< 1420624871 725335 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prods his way through a Scala tutorial.
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< 1420626410 813579 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :val num = file.map(wordcount).reduceLeft(_ + _)
< 1420626412 312791 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1420626456 152886 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to read it from left to right i guess
< 1420626509 464203 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT's the use of the double anonymous variable there that makes my head go whaaaa.
< 1420626603 166973 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow the BLC thing use a bytecode
< 1420626645 128862 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Krivine machine
< 1420626653 4924 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1420626663 16849 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similarly wat worthy is that you can define functions with either a parens'd list (x: Int, y: Int, etc.), *or* with multiple parenthesised arguments, ie. (x: int)(y: int)(etc...)
< 1420626670 333822 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap :O this is so cool
< 1420626799 316793 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amusingly, it also has a carrying for loop like Heresy does. :D
< 1420627095 650215 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought of a neat idea
< 1420627102 381251 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck VIRTUAL MACHINE
< 1420627490 524273 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq_uptime
< 1420627490 665629 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :5d 13h 47m 50s
< 1420627509 263557 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wrote blsqbot a message o_O
< 1420627597 846821 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1420627604 930144 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scala can do _ + _
< 1420627611 599361 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which roughly translates as \x y -> x + y?
< 1420627636 858739 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: seems that way, yeah.
< 1420627644 326830 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1420627645 173516 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok
< 1420627657 545039 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as you don't need \x y -> x + x :)
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< 1420627967 868901 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does the wiki have to be so slow :(
< 1420627994 360162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: because it runs on a free cloud server
< 1420628009 102305 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a free cloud server
< 1420628018 944017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as you can see, they're crap
< 1420628021 303289 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know if I can run mirage app for free?
< 1420628047 974399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't have a vps/cloud server himself so isn't the right person to ask
< 1420628050 469738 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I created a gopher server i dont know if you're interested
< 1420628335 983624 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1420628342 177892 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be able to host a proxy of the esowiki :)
< 1420628346 142733 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which..
< 1420628352 838167 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be faster but will be out of date of course :D
< 1420628427 48554 :mhi^!~mhi@104.131.27.185 PART :#esoteric
< 1420628452 835920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :careful or you might end up hosting the wiki itself
< 1420628665 331879 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im writing a brainfuck compiler in ocaml
< 1420628687 437736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
< 1420628891 127675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is with that child in the kindergarten across the street
< 1420628926 782265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody screaming
< 1420628937 892766 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420629157 620563 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, my vision and graphics exam is in two hours, I guess I can sympathize with the child
< 1420629207 402782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's that kind of scream
< 1420629234 373340 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1420629273 86143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying to find a more precise term but wikipedia/wiktionary is useless for distinguishing them
< 1420629279 275776 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420629298 97561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just say it's probably not out of pain
< 1420629324 156486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and contains no sign of a vowel
< 1420629441 686615 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting
< 1420629692 908467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :googling "types of screams" appears to find metal music discussions
< 1420629741 582728 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe
< 1420629774 815326 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like metal
< 1420629783 583365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... i don't.
< 1420629785 983037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1420629809 115113 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall now play Mario instead of last minute cramming
< 1420629817 193987 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :metal is the dubstep of non-electronic music
< 1420629818 910434 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon if I don't know something by now I am not going to know it
< 1420629867 78638 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. which Mario?
< 1420629868 112263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: i ... don't think i like dubstep either, although i have heard very little of it.  (the only one i recall was a parody one by ylvis)
< 1420629884 359661 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, the Nintendo plumber guy
< 1420629889 740752 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(New Super Mario Bros 2)
< 1420629899 285023 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, twnhbnih.
< 1420629923 453070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: wtfayba
< 1420629948 117500 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, not everyone likes harsh semi-melodicness
< 1420629955 143929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :INDEEED.
< 1420629971 893141 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That Was Not Helping But Now It Helps.
< 1420629993 256074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. tdh.
< 1420630039 141789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is always nervous when he tries to remember how to trick the hth script into getting punctuation past it.
< 1420630046 752119 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah i woke up at 3 am today...
< 1420630056 923738 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it breakfast time yet????
< 1420630077 913731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: well i just ate breakfast, it's 12:30 PM hth
< 1420630097 541176 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're 6 hours ahead of me
< 1420630128 903462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like i'm zoned out ... of time
< 1420630142 620330 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey oren
< 1420630151 506130 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya
< 1420630228 650201 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell boily: i'm 21
< 1420630251 507934 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily: i'm 21
< 1420630251 551592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1420630285 227553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: i don't think poor boily: will ever manage to get that message, seeing as he's an illegal character
< 1420630291 385608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1420630295 460659 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...???
< 1420630301 786033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there was an excemption for :
< 1420630308 794522 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1420630309 103541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren said 57s ago: i'm 21
< 1420630315 792830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, there was
< 1420630321 720677 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :massages?
< 1420630328 552382 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: you're 21? it's your birthday?
< 1420630332 251959 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: massages.
< 1420630334 148223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lewd
< 1420630334 191460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages
< 1420630398 547582 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily asked 14d 12h 18m 35s ago: What are your approximate  ages?
< 1420630441 605713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is lambdabot acting up with its messages again or have you really been away all that time?
< 1420630452 243648 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has absolutely no recollection ever having had asked that...
< 1420630464 243404 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the Bot is Law, and I follow it.
< 1420630468 439759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i think i vaguely recollect it
< 1420630499 257850 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1420630499 302307 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages
< 1420630508 320421 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages
< 1420630508 363792 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages
< 1420630514 639254 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@missages
< 1420630514 682470 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages
< 1420630520 452177 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1420630562 980907 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it do a distance measure to the nearest command?
< 1420630624 299678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, with a maximum of 2
< 1420630709 814171 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :handy
< 1420630724 906878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@info sometimes a bit confusing though
< 1420630725 8976 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes a bit confusing though
< 1420630780 405756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(your exercise shall be to find out which command that _actually_ triggered)
< 1420631053 851525 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@echo probably this one?
< 1420631053 934634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo; msg:IrcMessage {ircMsgServer = "freenode", ircMsgLBName = "lambdabot", ircMsgPrefix = "oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca", ircMsgCommand = "PRIVMSG", ircMsgParams = ["#esoteric",":@echo probably this one?"]} target:#esoteric rest:"probably this one?"
< 1420631070 786585 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not
< 1420631087 227686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles evilly
< 1420631234 783896 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@kind maybe this
< 1420631235 794596 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: type variable ‘maybe’
< 1420631235 838219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: type variable ‘this’
< 1420631458 78937 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@inf foobar
< 1420631458 122525 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: wn unpf ping kind id bf
< 1420631467 517375 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpf foobar
< 1420631467 560646 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :foobar
< 1420631471 542673 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't there a chdirat system call?
< 1420631503 341778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what
< 1420631527 45686 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 32 bit -1 ?
< 1420631543 19423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: it's not @unpf although it may be tricky to tell - the edit distance is too large
< 1420631544 759108 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ _1+<.2^32 
< 1420631545 557337 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xFFFFFFFE ?
< 1420631558 556487 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint 0xFFFFFFFF
< 1420631559 80720 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4294967295
< 1420631569 151900 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420631573 467511 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ _1+<.2^32 
< 1420631573 875141 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 4294967295
< 1420631595 474517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint ~0
< 1420631596 83232 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :18446744073709551615
< 1420631609 218470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it's none of those in that list
< 1420631617 394239 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what two numbers could I multiply to get 0xFFFFFFFF? is it a square?
< 1420631629 584141 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :mod 2^32
< 1420631673 967778 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could multiply 0xffff and 0x10001
< 1420631690 534882 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok!
< 1420631701 324431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's -1 (mod 2^32), not sure if that's a square on the spot
< 1420631771 351946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: you can choose one of the numbers to be anything not divisible by 2
< 1420631809 224608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because those have inverses (mod 2^32)
< 1420631809 901951 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay but they both need to be <= 25 bits
< 1420631830 195597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well oren's suggestion sounds good then
< 1420631892 849696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're pretty obviously the smallest
< 1420631900 304923 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay now i have + and - working!
< 1420632012 108847 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whe happens when we run out of bits for flags to open? there are already about 24 of them and every year someone invents a new one.
< 1420632064 301277 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that 26
< 1420632098 968321 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :always have one bit spare that lets you increase the length of the flag section
< 1420632341 712315 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I count only 18.
< 1420632442 256080 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: count the ones Linux supports in latest versions; plus the ones POSIX defines recently: O_SEARCH and O_EXECUTE and O_DSYNC and O_RSYNC; plus the two locking flags OpenBSD and other BSDs define
< 1420632468 313613 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.
< 1420632478 614885 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :long flags;
< 1420632565 526704 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have a bit that tells open to look for additional bits in the mode.
< 1420632704 740657 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn it my entire idea doesn't work because of [ skipping if starts with zero
< 1420632712 30619 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: hmm, maybe, but that would be a bit ugly
< 1420632715 696688 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't compile brainfuck without parsing it first :(
< 1420632738 75369 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me count. O_WRONLY, O_RDWR, O_SEARCH, O_EXECUTE (4 so far), O_APPEND, O_CREAT, O_EXCL, O_TRUNC (8 so far), O_NONBLOCK, O_CLOEXEC, O_ASYNC, O_DIRECTORY (12 so far), 
< 1420632751 663742 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if you're emitting jumps as numeric steps
< 1420632798 659680 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck withouth the rule that [ jumps across when 0
< 1420632806 512000 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got no "if" so is it still turing complete?
< 1420632821 808542 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_SHLOCK, O_EXLOCK, O_NOFOLLOW, O_DIRECTORY (16 so far), O_NOCTTY, O_LARGEFILE, O_PATH, O_TMPFILE (20 so far), O_DIRECT, O_SYNC, O_DSYNC, O_RSYNC (24 so far),
< 1420632842 845317 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_NOATIME, O_TTY_INIT (26 total).
< 1420632918 816468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: we talked about that a bit ago. I believe I can prove it turing-complete, though it has restrictions on its io
< 1420632928 78752 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see!
< 1420632935 658086 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't write the proof down properly so I could be wrong.
< 1420632989 560715 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: HEGEMONIOUS CHICKEN
< 1420633034 321368 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :additional bits in the mode? hmm, that could work. the mode has like 11 bits free.
< 1420633050 350770 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, more than that
< 1420633078 157933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the permission bits take 12 bits, the file type bits (not used in open, but someone could pass them) take 4, 
< 1420633090 699481 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that leaves 16 bits
< 1420633093 129180 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :could work
< 1420633230 232575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<vanila> god damn it my entire idea doesn't work because of [ skipping if starts with zero <-- a common problem for first-time brainfuck implementers
< 1420633282 876809 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since its type is mode_t, in principle it can have as many bits as you like...
< 1420633283 788654 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But surely  do-while-not-zero-brainfuck  is TC.
< 1420633318 27871 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got array index out of bounds trying to run hello world in that variant :(
< 1420633330 156293 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1420633345 539939 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :[<] I guess thats why
< 1420633349 573439 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i dont know
< 1420633352 500192 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was hoping it would just work
< 1420633359 847475 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that doing in a hello world program?
< 1420633376 252063 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont really know, i think its part of a trick to construct a number in a short way
< 1420633386 136763 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably one of these fugly constants-in-brainfuck snippets)
< 1420633392 505234 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1420633611 515646 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone have a no-if friendly hello world?
< 1420633695 737402 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://copy.sh/brainfuck/text.html  generates friendly code.
< 1420633734 992767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf_txtgen Hello, world!
< 1420633744 781394 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :122 ++++++++++++++[>>+++++>+++++++>+++<<<<-]>>++.>+++.+++++++..+++.>++.------------.<++++++++.--------.+++.------.--------.>+. [384]
< 1420633765 448834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as does our bf_txtgen
< 1420633775 249219 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[--------->++<]>+.  this is for S
< 1420633775 991459 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1420633780 125069 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its doing -
< 1420633780 512387 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks. I was too lazy to look that up.
< 1420633798 717033 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the nice link,
< 1420633804 364989 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just I have not got negative numbers in mine
< 1420633813 252088 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they're 32 bit
< 1420633824 498131 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: the bf_txtgen thing should work fine for you
< 1420633838 993407 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok!
< 1420633844 693658 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf_txtgen S
< 1420633849 281711 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :33 +++++++[>++++++++++++>>><<<<-]>-. [18]
< 1420633866 244181 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though it looks a bit silly!)
< 1420633874 846030 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i just have to implemnt ]
< 1420633879 615690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not immensely efficient for single letters, i should think
< 1420633881 379486 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha i should optimize >< and things
< 1420633889 113507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it doesn't do that
< 1420634062 871768 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :>< should be multiplication
< 1420634072 540803 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some language'
< 1420634195 523568 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well...
< 1420634214 473383 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
< 1420634215 699550 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/vzfs             4.0G  3.1G  934M  78% /
< 1420634240 312381 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf_txtgen Hello from UM!
< 1420634247 205089 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :118 ++++++++++++[>++++++>+++>+++++++++>++++++++<<<<-]>.>>>+++++.<..+++.<----.>>+.<+++.---.--.<.<+++++++++++++.--------.>+. [278]
< 1420634266 878760 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok my compilers done
< 1420634272 562690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: shocking
< 1420634300 388470 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :before it goes down I guess I can sacrifice some available space.
< 1420634415 172443 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently esolangs.org is pretty fast
< 1420634436 429314 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 GB, that's pretty darn small these days...
< 1420634450 907941 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1420634454 889655 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can compile brainfuck without if to http://esolangs.org/wiki/UM-32
< 1420634463 315392 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pretty bad hosting provider
< 1420634472 205328 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which now got consumed by hosteurope
< 1420634475 70034 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im really glad I wrote this in ocaml, because the idea was to self host
< 1420634477 886138 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my old contract is still running
< 1420634485 797951 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was almost finished it before I realized the if thing...
< 1420634494 144515 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty much stuck with it...
< 1420634511 161208 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and honestly I don't really need more than 4GB.
< 1420634525 30844 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i dont think i will
< 1420634535 786807 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I need to be able to run haskell programs on it
< 1420634540 428537 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and irssi
< 1420634550 16927 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much why I decided to rent a vServer
< 1420634554 758920 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wanted a swiss hosting provider
< 1420634568 622404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: mind you, parsing brainfuck is about the simplest parsing you can do
< 1420634590 795992 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there _are_ much cheaper hosters with cgi support
< 1420634591 41408 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even a regular language!
< 1420634599 420906 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't install software on them
< 1420634607 124137 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just stuck with whatever stuff they have pre-installed
< 1420634611 318700 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: all you need to add is an unconditional jump before the loop to the end of the loop.
< 1420634613 969285 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't really practical
< 1420634627 973137 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e,the problem is i dont know where the end of the loop is yet
< 1420634638 18299 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to emit code as I read in the program
< 1420634650 615284 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so supporting if will require a second pass
< 1420634657 488058 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. yes, that generally fails
< 1420634661 853858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: nevertheless, there are regular languages that are harder to parse than brainfuck.
< 1420634673 731250 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, woah, really?
< 1420634686 548964 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I wouldn't host the burlesque online shell I could go with a hosting provider that charges 1.10 CHF a month
< 1420634748 837441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: regular languages can encode a finite state machine, while brainfuck needs no state for parsing other than "am i inside a loop or not"
< 1420634762 490654 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont you need a stack?
< 1420634766 228224 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, you generally need a stack
< 1420634769 646156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1420634774 63599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean is
< 1420634780 137666 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody could start writing a burlesque interpreter in PHP :D
< 1420634795 316677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stack is still simpler than the mess of an arbitrary state graph
< 1420634799 205858 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :string matching  abracadabra  without backtracking is arguably harder than parsing brainfuck.
< 1420634800 667483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :conceptually
< 1420634827 83431 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's a regular language: strings containing "abracadabra")
< 1420634867 177721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1420634867 818330 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1420634892 507435 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :.*abracadabra.*
< 1420634896 7114 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right?
< 1420634906 313289 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1420634924 760078 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :try finding the corresponding DFA
< 1420634971 470572 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could find the DFA, I wrote a program that does it
< 1420634979 636648 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you just parse "parallel"?
< 1420634986 793843 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. be in two states at the same time
< 1420634995 862529 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: bet the program is more difficult than a simple brainfuck interpreter
< 1420635002 533614 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah its really complex
< 1420635004 865528 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: no, that's an NFA
< 1420635044 712095 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've done that. I wrote my own 'locate' program because the existing one was too slow... it works by generating DFAs.)
< 1420635052 880769 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C++ (yikes)
< 1420635129 819256 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that's probably pretty not-so-performant
< 1420635165 638829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think abracadabra is _that_ hard mind you
< 1420635222 720623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think parallel is needed
< 1420635250 582553 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's probably not-deterministic
< 1420635253 316855 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you needed to parse ababababababx
< 1420635260 668205 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be hard if you are inside a strema like
< 1420635262 780385 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since, if you try to match abra OR abracadabra
< 1420635264 76010 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :abababababababababababababab
< 1420635269 789658 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :because any time an x comes you need to be ready for it
< 1420635279 619732 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "thread" who finishes first will determine as what it parses
< 1420635281 215961 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ababcababcdababcababcdababc
< 1420635300 71559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: yeah i think that's harder in a sense
< 1420635323 112503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not
< 1420635338 528161 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this part I forgot: The locate started out just doing KMP... (KMP builds a DFA)
< 1420635347 249941 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need serious thread handling to terminate other threads once a thread has parsed something
< 1420635363 374201 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it rebuilds the DFA every time?
< 1420635367 418582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think for both that and abracadabra you just need to know the longest initial substring you've parsed up to now
< 1420635382 682321 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to terminate every thread that overlaps with what the succeeding thread parsed
< 1420635395 369449 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/UM-32 I compile brainfuck without if to this
< 1420635486 202938 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah it's not as hard as it could be; essentially you'll have to know whether the previous character was an a or not. but it's confusing to think about.
< 1420635634 226459 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@188.73.192.78 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420635640 405809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the number of states is exactly the number of characters in "abracadabra"
< 1420635656 999325 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus one?
< 1420635677 543549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i guess a final state
< 1420635681 603121 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(generally plus one: one state for each position, starting before the first letter, and ending past the last one)
< 1420635695 770504 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(similar ideas work for translating regexps to NFAs)
< 1420635731 355282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well i'd argue that if you're looking for _all_ (non-overlapping) abracadabra substrings, the initial position is equivalent to the final one
< 1420635756 863892 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that...
< 1420635872 678471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now try parsing "infinitive" instead
< 1420635894 861333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1420635921 314793 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :locate can probably use a suffix tree
< 1420635923 362485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i think that's still the same
< 1420635950 994692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are searching for one word, it doesn't really get harder than "how much of the word have i seen so far"
< 1420635986 184891 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes. see KMP
< 1420636000 552148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1420636068 460185 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I never bothered. 5x faster than the existing locate was good enough, and I went for regex search instead.
< 1420636095 89809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's exactly what the first wikipedia paragraph says
< 1420636098 656694 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implementing regex search on suffix trees sounds fun
< 1420636127 889125 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hard :P
< 1420636134 569578 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that kind of fun
< 1420636139 759210 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does gnu locate do?
< 1420636161 517777 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :generate a list of files from its database; check each.
< 1420636176 421827 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for substring or regex match)
< 1420636185 377714 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awful
< 1420636246 917502 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bit sad; the database has the list of files as deltas (remove k characters; add some more chracters), and that lends itself for an incremental search (only the newly added chracters need to be checked.)
< 1420636281 300311 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's a serialised trie?
< 1420636293 445708 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of, yes
< 1420636306 341261 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delightfully awful
< 1420636666 413969 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it's "lends itself to".
< 1420636737 548199 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I read
< 1420637592 664097 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1420638835 535793 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1420638957 922571 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420639165 729425 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats up
< 1420640035 187492 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm revisiting my idea for a programming language based on RTS games
< 1420640061 877099 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have various workers and buildings
< 1420640309 650435 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, but make sure that it's competitively balanced.
< 1420640332 26338 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ants
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< 1420640412 389844 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Langton
< 1420640540 475443 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: not a problem, all units and all buildings are at first identical
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< 1420640571 738559 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: what? if they're all identical, why would I ever play with the night elves?
< 1420640584 484517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do they differ in their research?
< 1420640598 363064 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they differ as you tell them to differ
< 1420640636 157516 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, then I tell my orcs gather more gold than yours
< 1420640647 334793 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you there! be an armoury. you there! be a bridge! you there, be gone!"
< 1420640660 710030 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly that sort of thing
< 1420640694 671817 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you define the interactions manually so there is more latitude
< 1420640804 278078 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the key is, all "programming" is done by mousing, there is no text in the whole language
< 1420640818 359228 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :squeak
< 1420640901 236466 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is only one resource, but unlike normal RTS you have to carry it to the place you want to use it
< 1420640909 731157 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? wy would I hvae to use the mouse?
< 1420640935 627819 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use a touch screen or a joytick i suppose
< 1420640959 926043 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't I just use my keyboard?
< 1420640973 355565 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only fun if you can instruct your ... entitities ... do carry around the resource for you
< 1420640984 116009 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly.
< 1420641010 269897 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you start with one entity who carries 1000 resource
< 1420641034 363434 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1420641431 488013 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can build buildings, which produce more resuorce at a rate
< 1420641463 453742 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you can tell workers to take resource from one building and place it in another
< 1420641488 741657 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course buildings can create workers
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< 1420642382 216146 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the data storage would be buildings that produce resource at rate zero
< 1420642515 169651 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :workers' action loops can include conditions, waiting, etc
< 1420642598 953607 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i/o would be represented by a building that you place N resource into to output character N
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< 1420642893 53792 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I/O happens when you destroy enemy units or lose yours hth
< 1420643017 316254 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a worker carrying no resource dies
< 1420643031 505835 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you kill a worker by taking all his resource 
< 1420643065 664876 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly a building exists so long as it contains some nonzero amount of resource
< 1420643093 354818 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The usual cooperative distributed system protocols are so boring. You could support adversarial distributed systems.
< 1420643095 150317 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: workers would have to be created with a certain amount of resource then
< 1420643113 75854 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah that is why they sot resource
< 1420643119 997438 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/sot/cost
< 1420643405 309249 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrokers of course take time to move, take resource out of a building, etc, proportional to the amount of reosurce transferred or distance
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< 1420643509 123169 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so to make a program faster i recommend using less resource and moving buildings closer
< 1420643608 173147 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't even begun implementing any of this btw
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< 1420644944 149640 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could implement it highly highly distributed
< 1420644949 573190 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :over thousandas of computers
< 1420644996 178881 :S1!~S1@p4FF92B88.dip0.t-ipconnect.de NICK :Z1
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< 1420645439 422938 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mwrsyduzoyinsdlk PRIVMSG #esoteric : quick u guise, how do I find graph isomorphism in less than n!
< 1420645479 739455 :Z11!~S1@p4FF92B88.dip0.t-ipconnect.de NICK :S1
< 1420645565 775383 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As of 2008 the best algorithm (Eugene Luks, 1983) has run time 2O(√(n log n)) for graphs with n vertices."
< 1420645618 314419 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1420645625 711175 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, I thought it was NP hard
< 1420645640 157979 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mwrsyduzoyinsdlk PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that for my question
< 1420645655 744814 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's just NP, not NP hard
< 1420645662 818143 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not proven, and probably isn't
< 1420645667 221009 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mwrsyduzoyinsdlk PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem
< 1420645678 597867 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(√(n log n)) ??
< 1420645695 863390 :S1!~S1@p4FF92B88.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART :#esoteric
< 1420645702 37070 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1420645706 418597 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^O(√(n log n)
< 1420645714 721515 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2 to the power was outside the O
< 1420645715 945762 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1420645717 702567 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks less ridiculous
< 1420645742 636217 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was a HTML superscript.)
< 1420645753 233704 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mwrsyduzoyinsdlk PRIVMSG #esoteric :its all rediculous
< 1420645753 438782 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't slept in way too long
< 1420645761 923197 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mwrsyduzoyinsdlk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleep
< 1420645780 213733 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still probably not NP-hard, otherwise it would just be 2^O(n)
< 1420645986 848806 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://calmerthanyouare.org/2015/01/07/optimizing-brainfuck.html
< 1420646005 109644 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh how do you do bitmasks and stuff in brainfuck
< 1420646014 89437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: something can be NP-hard with 2^O(...any polynomial...)
< 1420646016 462595 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :like for writing an assembler
< 1420646051 595673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: awkwardly?
< 1420646066 865052 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any example with 2^sqrt n?
< 1420646084 887358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory there is.  just use padding.
< 1420646100 917931 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad that article is more about optimising the interpreter rather than returning optimised BF code
< 1420646109 210671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not really an expert on the examples.
< 1420646110 272902 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of wnat to write a self hosting brainfuck compiler
< 1420646121 152543 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its a lot of hard work...
< 1420646132 374961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: that padding was for you
< 1420646176 328175 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, the cstheory site has an example
< 1420646177 930410 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mwrsyduzoyinsdlk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry for your loss
< 1420646186 554358 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(o(n), not sqrt n specifically)
< 1420646193 667132 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mwrsyduzoyinsdlk PRIVMSG #esoteric :You guys don't have to calc this y'know
< 1420646211 939115 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mwrsyduzoyinsdlk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh idj
< 1420646214 869724 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mwrsyduzoyinsdlk PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk*
< 1420646300 279927 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, This is really good!
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< 1420648753 89536 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, it's something like 2^O(n/log log n)
< 1420648757 577109 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't count imo
< 1420648917 197990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: link to cstheory?
< 1420648943 869172 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/a/3623
< 1420648958 489686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1420649157 518048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't the first answer about max clique count
< 1420649378 816200 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, is that a kernel for k-clique
< 1420649385 619479 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
< 1420649410 628013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1420649456 42033 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably enable javascript so I can read the latex
< 1420649582 228908 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it counts edges
< 1420649620 865475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
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< 1420650847 255339 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that went OK
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< 1420659888 757770 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. I don't even understand this one: http://www.codewars.com/kata/reviews/5418c2901d3bf380da00025c/groups/5423adab48306ff68700045f
< 1420660843 475382 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
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< 1420661113 679056 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wheyhey! Heresy has pretty Scribble docs online now: http://pkg-build.racket-lang.org/doc/heresy/index.html
< 1420661135 175746 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The codewars thing doesn’t seem to be actually accessible.
< 1420661157 99636 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. I guess the links don't work unless you're logged in or something.
< 1420661188 208982 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Haskell solution for checking CCNs:
< 1420661189 714984 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :validate :: Integer -> Bool
< 1420661191 224821 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :validate = (== 0) . (`mod` 10) . sum . zipWith ($) (cycle [id, sum . digits . (*2)]) . reverse . digits
< 1420661192 776224 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :  where digits = map (read . return) . show
< 1420661764 169144 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the zipWith ($) (cycle ...) bit that completely mystifies me. I have no idea what that even does.
< 1420661788 738767 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can’t find “CCN”.
< 1420661812 517567 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :credit card numbers. It's the Luhn algorithm.
< 1420661829 873087 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that part’s applying (sum . digits. (*2)) to every second element of the list.
< 1420661846 468578 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the goal, yes, but I don't quite understand how it does it.
< 1420661904 154755 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle [1,2]
< 1420661905 648278 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2...
< 1420661982 577553 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It creates an infinite list, every second element of which is that function, and every other element is id.
< 1420662033 640990 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since ($) is application, zipWith ($) is elementwise application, so the function is applied to every second element of the list, and id to every other element.
< 1420662509 497402 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's pretty awesome
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< 1420662952 570039 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: OK, I get it now, I think. Almost. 
< 1420663147 365362 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not quite sure about the return
< 1420663153 11277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a Magic: the Puzzling I have made, but I don't know if it is correct so see if you can check   http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/puzzle.1
< 1420663154 466 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need that?
< 1420663346 534297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Drawing is a step, not a phase.
< 1420663357 713140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should say "draw".
< 1420663376 715202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You are correct I made a mistake
< 1420663391 616955 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed that mistake now.
< 1420663404 923802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about The Dark.
< 1420663437 327029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can easily look up a list of all cards it contains in Gatherer or whatever.
< 1420663467 780440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. But that's 119 cards. It seems like a lot to look through for a puzzle.
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< 1420663472 276850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there's an easier way.
< 1420663495 961114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try to sort them in various ways
< 1420663518 355766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By type, by mana cost, by color, etc)
< 1420663539 731963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And by power/toughness)
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< 1420663579 644970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Celestial Prism is p. bad
< 1420663635 177984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like a large number of cards would do it.
< 1420663635 897075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A puzzle in Rosewater's "Magic: the Puzzling" book has a similar stipulation (although you get only one card in your library), which does not even tell you what set the card is in (except in the hints)!
< 1420663684 176598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, you don't even need any cards, do you?
< 1420663706 869170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Can you do it without an extra card? It isn't supposed to be possible, so if it is then it is a mistake hopefully you can tell me how to fix it?
< 1420663749 68018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I missed something.
< 1420663855 766876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't you just attack with Leviathan and Bloodrush Pyrewild Shaman for 13 damage?
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< 1420663939 15921 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Dark is one of those few old expansion sets 
< 1420663956 765276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How can you earn enough mana?
< 1420663998 523508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Birds of Paradise and any land? Or any land and Celestial Flare?
< 1420664043 861556 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, Arabian Nights, Antiquities, Legends, The Dark, Fallen Empires. there are five of them. I don't really know anything about that.
< 1420664051 109559 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/that/them/
< 1420664072 719250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Celestial Flare? It doesn't have that card.
< 1420664080 809411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Celestial Prism, sorry.
< 1420664087 603256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Requires two mana to activate.
< 1420664101 141297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, and you get three mana from tapping a land.
< 1420664104 510291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you have to sacrifice two islands to use Leviathan.
< 1420664133 941406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait.
< 1420664149 58963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't see the last line of Leviathan.
< 1420664158 65630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you just needed to sacrifice islands to untap it.
< 1420664181 283065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't matter, does it?
< 1420664201 803039 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have at least one card from each of the expansion sets starting from Homelands up to Scars, and no cards from those five early expansion sets.
< 1420664219 592555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is already untapped. However, you need to sacrifice islands to attack, too.
< 1420664250 328312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I see that now.
< 1420664281 737617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe it is tricky, then.
< 1420664361 74946 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so in this puzzle, all of the permanents you list are untapped and not summoning sick, right? 
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< 1420664443 292209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct.
< 1420664460 452875 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you have two mana flares! that means you get UUU from the island
< 1420664469 551554 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and three more mana from the land you drop
< 1420664475 651844 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If any were, they would be marked as such. Also, summoning sickness is irrelevant as long as Concordant Crossroads is in play.)
< 1420664483 910262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: So you have 7 mana, but then you can't attack with the leviathan.
< 1420664491 857788 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's probably irrelevant
< 1420664502 269321 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why not? you can sacrifice two tapped islands
< 1420664514 173416 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Leviathan is not one of those crazy cards like Karoo that eat only untapped ones
< 1420664515 499391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, sure, I was thinking specifically for bloodrushing.
< 1420664533 506947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use the mana in your main phase.
< 1420664563 538153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: You forgot to ask whether any cards were face-down.
< 1420664579 185453 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, none are.
< 1420664593 284898 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they were, they would be marked as such.
< 1420664635 726287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any relevant effects opponent played that would have lasted during your turn would also be mentioned if there are any.
< 1420664652 980955 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as cards controlled by players other than their owner.
< 1420664670 849363 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so you could get either UUUUUUC, or UUGGGC and use the Hack to turn the Forest to an Island.
< 1420664680 487262 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and attack with the Leviathan
< 1420664753 198119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you turn the Forest to an Island?
< 1420664767 573604 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you have a Magical Hack in your hand, cast that for U
< 1420664774 724468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :after you've tapped the Forest for GGG
< 1420664782 89563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so it says you can do that; I didn't know that.
< 1420664797 839152 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it changes the type line too
< 1420664804 914794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it changes the type line too.
< 1420664815 21151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like Artificial Evolution 
< 1420664819 902223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought "text" meant "text box".
< 1420664821 642182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless I do not see how it would help here.
< 1420664843 221456 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: huh, why not? I might want to spend the green mana on a card I draw
< 1420664864 82948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, on a card you draw it might help.
< 1420664891 438624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Such as a green one)
< 1420664936 141071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Green mana would help with a green card.
< 1420665134 13232 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you do something like destroying all lands, you only have one turn, because the opponent can win next turn with his 15 mana.
< 1420665244 660516 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so Wormwood Treefolk would save you, because you just cast it and attack with haste.
< 1420665407 70318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added a card to opponent's side I forgot about.
< 1420665421 450002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...
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< 1420665790 535732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Wormwood Treefolk is one of them yes, but what other cards do you think are possible to use in this way?
< 1420665816 766579 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm looking, I just don't know The Dark so it takes a while
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< 1420666048 134604 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: any of Eater of the Dead, Murk Dwellers would save you by just attacking. Electric Eel saves you as well because you can pay for its ability with the Prism. Mind Bomb saves you by dealing 3 damage.
< 1420666104 895817 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funnily, Giant Shark doesn't seem to be able to save you, because it doesn't get along with the Leviathan well (genre differences).
< 1420666767 952080 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I can see that.
< 1420666777 479149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Angry Mob, Diabolic Machine saves you by attacking. 
< 1420666822 199999 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cleansing comes close to saving you, but it lets the opponent keep two of his lands and I have the feeling he can still pull off some combo with just one drawn card and two lands.
< 1420666901 650127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember also the card opponent draws during his next turn may be from any set!
< 1420666974 237130 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, he certainly can: keep two islands, draw into Ideas Unbound, he draws a Simian Spirit Guide, a Lightning Axe, and one irrelevant card, plays the Axe and kills you
< 1420667022 415699 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :two lands and one card are definitely enough, there are probably crazier combos than that because he could theoretically draw two Black Lotuses with Ideas Unbound
< 1420667062 399758 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, maybe not _two_ Black Lotuses, but at least one
< 1420667111 761893 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Cleansing doesn't work in theory 
< 1420667333 446278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :He can defeat you even with just one card. Note that it only says the number of cards in your library is a maximum; you might have only one card. Therefore, he can defeat you with Ancestral Recall.
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< 1420667377 729580 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can't say that. if there's no minimum count in my library, I might lose right now because I can't draw.
< 1420667422 536810 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I fixed that.
< 1420667485 621620 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Apprentice Wizard saves you: it has haste because of the Crossroads, attack with the Leviathan, activate the Wizard's ability with the mana from Birds of Paradise, filter two of the mana through the Prism, and activate the bloodrush
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< 1420667533 164494 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly, Elves of Deep Shadow saves you because together with the Bird it gives you enough mana to bloodrush
< 1420667556 677690 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaea's Touch saves you because it lets you put both lands in play
< 1420667570 935027 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also because it gives you extra mana
< 1420667654 32657 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sisters of the Flame doesn't seem to save you, sadly, because you can't get three red mana and still have two islands
< 1420667683 549079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, Fellwar Stones saves you too, using bloodrush (duh)
< 1420667819 259489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could play the Magical Hack on the Leviathan, but that doesn't help you much (unless you use Gaea's Touch in which case you win without that anyway)
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< 1420669729 726812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will Brainwash help?
< 1420669833 999012 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys all owe me one
< 1420669849 548676 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone annoying is in another channel trying to design a language
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< 1420669851 530583 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't see how it would help. 
< 1420669854 150167 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I nearly referred him here
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< 1420669878 624494 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: whew
< 1420669899 486927 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it allows you to exploit rule 508.1h (someone told me you aren't required to stop using mana abilities once you have enough mana)
< 1420669946 343466 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh... I dunno then
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< 1420670063 340936 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: thanks
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< 1420670185 792111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Taneb> Well, that went OK <-- congratulationas
< 1420670212 211867 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I went into the exam expecting to not be able to answer a single question.
< 1420670221 221604 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put at least something down for every question
< 1420670239 926991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-a
< 1420670342 149832 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I'm happy with it
< 1420670353 143418 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm not going to do *great*
< 1420670366 280276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exam
< 1420670374 777748 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, Vision and Graphics
< 1420670387 577350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<J_Arcane> Wow. I don't even understand this one: http://www.codewars.com/kata/reviews/5418c2901d3bf380da00025c/groups/5423adab48306ff68700045f <-- login required
< 1420670396 811108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :LRDR
< 1420670402 689975 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, for me, Make Sure You Go To Lectures Otherwise You Will Not Know What Is Going On
< 1420670403 672141 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he posted it later
< 1420670406 211261 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry about that. I reposted the code in the channel shortly after.
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< 1420670406 692839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
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< 1420670453 487621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, vision and graphics sounds like a difficult subject
< 1420670475 935229 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can explain the return there for me if you like
< 1420670534 401381 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a poorly structured module, all agree. It was quite broad for a 10 (out of 120 for the year) credit module
< 1420670667 687549 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't feel bad for not having thought of that solution, but I was a bit sad I didn't think of the mutually recursive one I saw elsewhere. 
< 1420670741 381581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: reminds me of my (only obligatory non-science course in university) philosophy exam.  i think i went to a single lecture.  also the subject had 3 parts, one of which was personal choice of sub-subject.  i met to the exam completely unprepared on that third part, looked at one of the alternatives instead which was "explain the structure of the universe" and wrote up a line from quarks to expansion.  not knowing whether that was even what ...
< 1420670747 794209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... the question meant in that context.  it went well.
< 1420670772 199693 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehehehe :)
< 1420670781 166383 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I feel like that whenever someone tries to talk to me in Finnish.
< 1420670785 830397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Only one obligatory non-science course in university?
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< 1420670803 899372 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except imagine if you'd had a grade school education in physics too...
< 1420670820 387293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yep.  it's not "broad education" like in america, you specialize from first year.
< 1420670841 83462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah, right.
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< 1420670929 329804 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, thanks for the link to sslh. I found sshttpd ages ago though, which does the same for ssh and https only (enough for my needs=
< 1420670932 788311 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/)/
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< 1420671014 787288 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm I might have tried sslh since it was packaged for debian apparently. But I guess it didn't work?
< 1420671108 216725 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah I think I couldn't get the transparent proxying to work, so that the source IP is correct for the server (I have it working with sshttpd though)
< 1420671193 785453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: read requires a String, which is a list of Chars, so read . return means use the return that comes from the list monad.  for that, return x = [x].
< 1420671223 42974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it basically means, turn a single digit Char into an Integer.
< 1420671265 950814 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1420671306 216572 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't thought of the string requirement
< 1420671350 13084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: or at least it _was_ that way back when i graduated.  these days they've pan-europeanized things into bachelor and master degrees, i dunno what else changes that means.
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< 1420672178 176232 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1420672178 756002 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 072300Z 28014KT 10SM DRSN FEW020 SCT040 BKN060 M22/M27 A3017 RMK SC1SC2SC2 SLP220
< 1420672188 380815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1420672189 34315 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 072250Z 14008KT 100V190 CAVOK 05/M04 Q0994 RMK WIND 670FT 17015G28KT
< 1420672189 292830 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot damn it's cold outside.
< 1420672189 428839 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: there's even an emacs interface to s48 1.1)
< 1420672210 691336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i've told you, you need to change nick to freezy hth
< 1420672222 661054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe you weren't actually present
< 1420672230 238625 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 NICK :frozen-boily
< 1420672236 918001 :frozen-boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I wasn't.
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< 1420672846 918593 :frozen-boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 NICK :thawed-boily
< 1420672849 534916 :thawed-boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 NICK :boily
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< 1420674405 450673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now made a list of thirteen cards to solve my puzzle. Someone else gave me this list, but they included Giant Shark and omitted Elves of Deep Shadow. They did include Brainwash though.
< 1420674518 568609 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 
< 1420674530 538739 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get my earlier message? unrelated to cards
< 1420674761 353945 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What earlier message? I don't see one
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< 1420674927 250982 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was just sayin i wrote a gopher server in mirage/ocaml
< 1420674933 897360 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if its interesting to you but anyway
< 1420675368 322058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Post it somewhere anyways
< 1420675378 475610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can look at it if you want
< 1420675381 530377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So can other people
< 1420675396 718126 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you don't have to! I only mentioned it in case you interested
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< 1420682307 407257 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07XRF14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41623&oldid=41622 5* 03Superdave 5* (+4) 10C = has already been visited (not "not")
< 1420683004 616151 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be hard to self hosting compile brainfuck to assembly/bytecode
< 1420683012 869252 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :even ignoring the bitwise operations
< 1420683016 434419 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to do it in two passes
< 1420683027 976976 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not impossible.
< 1420683030 596169 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :See awib.
< 1420683033 804585 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :one to compile brainfuck into a intermediate assembly language with labels
< 1420683051 123434 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a second pass to actually assemble that into binary (making the labels into numbers)
< 1420683072 665379 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :See awib. :)
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< 1420683538 773617 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here, have one of those stupid riddles.
< 1420683550 361031 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you call a topological space that has the property that a set is open if and only if it is closed?
< 1420683593 51003 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is only two words, the first one being an indefinite article.
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< 1420686132 28353 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/jarcane/heresy/commit/4695e20f12314480296335b178a8a0917c261608
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< 1420686255 542447 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane, are you hoping for some feedback or anything?
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< 1420686288 332938 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: naw. just screwing around. hoped it might be amusing.
< 1420686319 511833 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, its good
< 1420686376 199055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that Y actual Y or just any old fixed point combinator?
< 1420686387 181044 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, apparently git eats whitespace in commit messages. 
< 1420686412 988327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it's actual Y wow
< 1420686456 722004 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. IT is the actual strict Y combinator.
< 1420686499 401357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does (def fix (fn (f) (let ([g (fn (x) ((f g) x))]) g))) work?
< 1420686522 495722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or (def fix (fn (f) (fn (x) ((f (fix f)) x))))
< 1420686527 453541 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, yes. We tried it once, I still have it kicking around in another file. I dunno if it'd work with fnlet.
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< 1420693502 823469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I fixed "Triangle of Protection". Now it says "Enchanted permanent cannot be sacrificed unless an ability of that permanent allows or forces it to be sacrificed, except as the cost of an activated ability in which case that ability is unusable."
< 1420693567 174305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I made one more change to clarify it; now it says "causes" instead of "allows or forces".
< 1420693735 723764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the previous phrasing?
< 1420693765 203300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the goal of that card?
< 1420694087 388016 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... unless ..., except ...
< 1420694242 212091 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is it intended that the permanent cannot be sacrificed as a cost of one of its own activated abilities? because that's how I'd read that.
< 1420694322 221804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its previous phasing deleted everything after the first "sacrificed".
< 1420694354 350001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is intended that it cannot be sacrificed to pay for one of its own activated abilities.
< 1420694702 731150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually "that ability is unusable" is wrong; if it is an artifact and it says "sacrifice an artifact" it is only supposed to prevent you from activating it by sacrificing itself.
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< 1420694763 381551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed that too now.
< 1420695362 797953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed it where?
< 1420695771 281929 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enchanted permanent cannot be sacrificed unless an ability of that permanent causes it to be sacrificed, but still cannot be sacrificed as the cost of an activated ability on that permanent or anything else.
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< 1420700731 872289 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BytePusher14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41624&oldid=41601 5* 03Gamemanj 5* (+0) 10/* Announcements */ (Sorry, I messed up the year! I'd forgotten about ~~~~,sorry...)
< 1420700763 575760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute :)
< 1420701011 759726 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone made a bytepusher system with a FPGA?
< 1420701149 38993 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but it might be more difficult that it could have been, since instructions do not have to be aligned.
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< 1420708442 640464 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
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< 1420708546 451739 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let isP b n = (\x -> x == reverse x) $ showIntAtBase b toEnum n "" in all (`isP` 392629621582222667733213907054116073) [2,3]
< 1420708547 704782 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : True
< 1420708563 10353 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let showB b n = showIntAtBase b toEnum n "" in map (`showB` 392629621582222667733213907054116073) [2,3]
< 1420708564 312979 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["\SOH\NUL\NUL\SOH\NUL\SOH\SOH\SOH\NUL\NUL\SOH\SOH\SOH\SOH\NUL\NUL\NUL\SOH\N...
< 1420708577 83201 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let showB b n = showIntAtBase b (toEnum.(+48)) n "" in map (`showB` 392629621582222667733213907054116073) [2,3]
< 1420708578 377923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["10010111001111000100010100010100000011011011000101011011100000111011010100...
< 1420708583 495647 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well anyway
< 1420708610 824162 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(found a new entry for http://oeis.org/A060792 .)
< 1420709226 382296 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sadly, Dust to Dust doesn't seem to save you because you don't have enough colored mana to cast it and then cast Pyrewild Shaman
< 1420709308 814276 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I was thinking on that "cannot sacrifice" effect. I think I can tell what my problem is with now, but what's the current text you're using?
< 1420709357 845409 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: my problem is that it can easily cause infinite loops with permanents that have triggered abilities to sacrifice it, such as islandhome ones like Dandan
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< 1420709600 570474 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/cards.txt => "Enchanted permanent cannot be sacrificed unless an ability of that
< 1420709604 62918 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :permanent causes it to be sacrificed, but still cannot be sacrificed as
< 1420709605 689808 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1420709608 172699 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cost of an activated ability on that permanent or anything else."
< 1420709616 333925 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better, but I still don't really like it
< 1420709768 795046 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but that now seems much weaker, because it can no longer save your Ball Lightning
< 1420709820 17271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor your vanishing creatures or creatures with echo or your Krosan Cloudscraper
< 1420709957 154344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true, of course and is intentional to make it not too much powerful.
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< 1420710044 125315 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: as you added fair duel, let me mention two other cards I've been thinking of.
< 1420710069 794278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1420710116 450906 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :name: Lost Self-esteem. cost: 1W. type: Enchantment - Aura. abilities: Enchant creature. All objects and players have protection from enchanted creature.
< 1420710229 997040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
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< 1420710410 870775 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :name: Vain Mary. cost: G. type: Creature - Bird Wizard 2/2. abilities: Flying. When you control a creature that has greater power than Vain Mary, sacrifice Vain Mary.
< 1420710465 688595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps Triangle of Protection is better to have flash?
< 1420710503 2578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1420710512 601557 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: maybe, but even then it won't save your evokes creatures because they're self-sacrificed
< 1420710560 780055 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in any case, this won't save you from a Cruel Edict unless you Triangle all your creatures, right?
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< 1420710624 578191 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1420710705 407285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However you can cast it on an opponent's card and then use Cruel Edict and you can force them not to sacrifice a particular card. Or, since it now has flash, save a single of your own cards from All Is Dust, or if they are using it to try to get rid of one of their own cards, cast it on their card.
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< 1420711137 105564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, and this Triangle will protect a creature from being sacrificed at the end of your turn due to Apprentice Necromancer.
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< 1420711320 779644 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, and you can use it on a Kiki-Jiki-made copy
< 1420711459 644002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that too
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< 1420711773 123285 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: um, have you removed cards from the puzzle?
< 1420711782 253743 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there were two more cards in your hand
< 1420711841 847796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1420711860 689634 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess it's better this way.
< 1420712362 407520 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Altar of Defense seems to be a bit expensive compared to Ashnod's Altar.
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< 1420712839 896063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are right I fixed it
< 1420712986 199441 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah, now that's more interesting. what gives lots of creatures defender, besides Dormant Sliver?
< 1420713008 707039 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1420713167 214848 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420713171 997352 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, I'd be more happy with more good defenders. there are already cards that do useful stuff with defenders.
< 1420713333 270607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up Wall of Ninjas, which has haste, defender, ninjutsu, first strike, "Whenever ~ deals combat damage to a player, that player discards 2 cards.", and "{BB}, {Q}: Target player discards a card."
< 1420713441 781799 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, and a Wall of Attachment
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< 1420713670 873620 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mad Counterspell seems too powerful, it's more better than an ordinary Counterspell (though probably worse than Mana Leak)
< 1420713701 579840 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a sorcery; you cannot normally cast it as it would have no target.
< 1420713737 644966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However maybe the madness cost could be changed to one more if necessary I don't know?
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< 1420713774 272718 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... a sorcery
< 1420713775 757924 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary
< 1420713783 534132 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's not overpowered
< 1420713792 472469 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite hard to cast
< 1420713811 416851 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hard to madness
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< 1420714016 951600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe madness is also a way to get priority during the cleanup step if you have too many cards.
< 1420714050 966646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can exile it temporarily without casting it.
< 1420714277 680267 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah, nice
< 1420714310 897775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This exiling it temporarily might be useful for other purposes too, maybe)
< 1420714319 208545 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to set up having too many cards for that, which isn't so easy, except at the start of the game or when you're about to win, when you no longer need that kind of trick
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< 1420714348 415822 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely have too many cards in my cleanup step
< 1420714390 358485 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in M:tG)
< 1420714438 204412 :Tritonio!~tritonio@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420714480 481315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know that, but it is usable with any card that has madness. Probably, usually is not so useful but sometimes it might.
< 1420714744 505447 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1420714814 664382 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mystery Tablet might be unplayable in casual play where you have no sideboard and Wish cards use your entire collection
< 1420714856 852839 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "If you do, put this card with your
< 1420714859 797357 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sideboard." mean?
< 1420715006 792824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It assumes that you are playing with a sideboard rather than your entire collection. I just don't like that "entire collection" stuff.
< 1420715022 769113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means it becomes part of your sideboard.
< 1420715063 81662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean "Put Mystery Tablet to your sideboard."?
< 1420715072 709942 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.
< 1420715084 339118 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if your sideboard is empty, this card does nothing?
< 1420715131 764476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although it still spend 1 mana and becomes tapped.
< 1420715298 508066 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means the same thing as a card you own from "outside the game", but I don't want people to play that way and prefer that it always means your sideboard even in a casual game.
< 1420715409 103717 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for Suppress Quality, is it deliberate that it doesn't block abilities of players? I think players can have protection or hexproof these days.
< 1420715592 697512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, although it also wasn't really meant to. Although it probably should; mainly I just forgot.
< 1420715616 225076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now I changed it so that it does.
< 1420715616 332457 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should.
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< 1420719551 898219 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1420719552 521091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 081200Z 23007KT 15SM FEW010 FEW065 M26/M30 A3023 RMK SF1SC2 SF TR SLP242
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< 1420719592 592093 :J_Phone!~J_WPhone@85-76-86-126-nat.elisa-mobile.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`let fibseq n = take n $ iterate (\(a,b) -> (b,a+b)) (0,1) in fibseq 10
< 1420719593 418693 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: let: not found
< 1420719660 518329 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (\(a,b) -> (b,a+b)) (0,1)
< 1420719662 615493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(0,1),(1,1),(1,2),(2,3),(3,5),(5,8),(8,13),(13,21),(21,34),(34,55),(55,89),...
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< 1420728441 977811 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
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< 1420731632 914532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you think about it this is pretty badass "Hollerith built machines under contract for the Census Office, which used them to tabulate the 1890 census in only one year.[9] The previous 1880 census had taken eight years."
< 1420731663 656364 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420732019 195614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The term "Super Computing" was used by the New York World newspaper in 1931 to refer to a large custom-built tabulator that IBM made for Columbia University."
< 1420732186 325468 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many human calculators did it replace?
< 1420732271 922207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reference is http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/packard.html
< 1420732361 278834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Watson obliged, and had engineers James Bryce and George Daly in IBM's Endicott plant build a gigantic tabulator capable of accumulating sums of squares, raising numbers to powers, and so forth by means of direct subtraction (the first punched-card machine to do this) plus a novel system of ten paired accumulators."
< 1420732363 184128 :Tritonio!~tritonio@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420732424 429930 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"New statistical machines with the mental power of 100 skilled mathematicians in solving even highly complex algebraic problems were demonstrated yesterday for the first time before a group of psychologists, educational research workers and statisticians in the laboratories of the Columbia University Statistical Bureau in Hamilton Hall." <-- there's a number
< 1420732454 44534 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a machine that replaces 100 computers is a supercomputer all right.
< 1420732703 849751 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it replaces mathematicians
< 1420732713 585076 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :must suck to be a useless mathematician in the near future .
< 1420732819 68007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i suspect they didn't distinguish mathematicians and human computers much at that time.  heck many people don't know the difference even now.
< 1420732950 346085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn reckoner
< 1420732951 903263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i presume back then the majority of human mathematical work _was_ calculation.
< 1420732952 786721 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "reckoner" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1420732954 766573 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reckoner
< 1420732956 728600 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: an expert at calculation (or at operating calculating
< 1420732958 717406 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :         machines) [syn: {calculator}, {reckoner}, {figurer},
< 1420732960 794107 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :         {estimator}, {computer}]
< 1420732962 836402 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    2: a handbook of tables used to facilitate computation [syn:
< 1420732964 738223 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       {reckoner}, {ready reckoner}]
< 1420732979 960350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(@wn should have a syntax for referring to a particular sense of a word, computer#n#2 or something. If it doesn't.)
< 1420732997 587783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn computer#n#2
< 1420732998 463183 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "computer#n#2".
< 1420733015 519615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :WordNet itself has something that looks vaguely like that, at least in some contexts.
< 1420733094 4553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps there's an api
< 1420733708 452422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original hollerith machine used mercury "The card sat over pools of mercury, pools corresponding to the possible hole positions in the card. When the wires were pressed onto the card, punched holes allowed wires to dip into the mercury pools, making an electrical contact[5] [6] that could be used for counting, sorting, and setting off a bell to let the operator know the card had been read."
< 1420734739 285996 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1420734927 846072 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Willams Tube
< 1420734930 138403 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds awful...
< 1420735241 113028 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41625&oldid=41615 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+11) 10/* I */ iexp
< 1420735516 545841 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fromroman VIII
< 1420735517 525348 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8
< 1420735770 326219 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fromroman Quantum autem noluit marmota monax?
< 1420735770 959533 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420735779 102160 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm unimpressed.
< 1420735826 725880 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fromroman QVANTVM AVTEM NVLUIT MARMOTA MONAX
< 1420735827 509194 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420735829 879125 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'oh
< 1420735896 774769 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs Google translate hooks. ;)
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< 1420737091 271170 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fromroman VX
< 1420737092 155149 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420737592 303684 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fromroman LXCVI
< 1420737592 943856 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420737600 365213 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fromroman LCVI
< 1420737600 907895 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1420737604 665473 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1420737628 179912 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I think you might have better luck with toroman, that accepts more invalid input
< 1420737631 831749 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`toroman 9999
< 1420737632 471322 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MMCMXCIX
< 1420737642 518716 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fromroman L
< 1420737643 84745 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :50
< 1420737648 765792 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fromroman DCVI
< 1420737649 563354 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :606
< 1420737656 16852 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always get D and L mixed up :/
< 1420737703 781204 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`toroman 999999999999
< 1420737704 291648 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMCMXCIX
< 1420737712 703248 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fromroman DXCVI
< 1420737713 236200 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :596
< 1420737725 663295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: D comes after C hth
< 1420737731 202417 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, so does L!
< 1420737736 119269 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I! and V! and X!
< 1420737741 801770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :D comes immediately after C hth
< 1420737756 791271 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better
< 1420737853 88200 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :L is the lower half of C, V is the upper half of X
< 1420737854 823418 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy
< 1420737865 972149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's not
< 1420737874 702270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I use a program to convert rather than try in my head
< 1420737886 874057 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I should fix toroman to reject invalid input
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< 1420744663 269624 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what's the origin of scarf as an alt nick?
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< 1420745006 482660 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's a real word
< 1420745010 543714 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't taken
< 1420745019 545544 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense, I guess
< 1420745123 483832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarfs are cute
< 1420745180 282150 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do with a scarf
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< 1420745619 141227 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I just had a long-overdue nick-cull
< 1420745620 596756 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1420745624 43643 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :From 16 registered nicks to 4
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< 1420757130 942700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Gregor> `fromroman Quantum autem noluit marmota monax? <-- i am deeply suspicious of that sentence, even disregarding the silly binominal species name
< 1420757211 971602 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I asked Google.
< 1420757224 569780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, google seems to think it makes sense
< 1420757241 300801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think someone's been tricking it
< 1420757280 990759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that "quantum autem noluit" gives no google hits _outside_ google translate should be a hint.
< 1420757344 416868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict it means something like "how much too it refused", prime john cleese material
< 1420757399 643250 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what SHOULD it be, Cap'n Lat'n?
< 1420757560 114635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some googling turns up "Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?"
< 1420757629 501358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's an exact translation either
< 1420757643 144730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's got nice alliteration
< 1420757655 355969 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420757730 361999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm it's better that i thought, materia actually has a "timber" meaning
< 1420757775 169108 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420757819 679531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the verbed form i cannot find on wiktionary though.
< 1420757863 264065 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjaneria.
< 1420758077 512635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehoily
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< 1420760457 760212 :scounder!~scounder@unaffiliated/scounder NICK :fractal
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< 1420761732 755377 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41626&oldid=41365 5* 03Scoppini 5* (+368) 10Added XRF
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< 1420764512 910241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, btw, I think XRF is a really interesting language
< 1420764516 5463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the general concept
< 1420764519 644950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about the actual implementation
< 1420764528 669826 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoy.
< 1420764725 600247 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So!
< 1420764789 597300 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if, for every point x in a topological space, there exists a countable collection C of open subsets of the space such that every open set containing x is a subset of all of the elements of C.
< 1420764796 634224 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm leaning towards no.
< 1420764836 492415 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure it's true in every topological space with a countable basis. You can just let C be all the basis sets containing x, right?
< 1420764924 83026 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420764925 207658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about the empty set?
< 1420765050 113529 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, quick amendment.
< 1420765076 517475 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replace "collection C of open subsets of the space" with "collection C of open subsets of the space which contain x".
< 1420765099 857147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The empty set still works?
< 1420765108 655797 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the empty set?
< 1420765150 582486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It always works as C. Doesn't it?
< 1420765156 545897 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, let C be the empty collection.
< 1420765166 824134 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I made another mistake somewhere.
< 1420765181 28110 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, let me try yet again.
< 1420765186 321368 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if:
< 1420765249 692967 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For every topological space S, for every point x in S, there exists a countable collection C of neighborhoods of x, such that for every open set A, if A is a subset of every element of C, then A contains x.
< 1420765253 536429 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's right.
< 1420765671 19857 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Elyg 5*  10New user account
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< 1420766272 10589 :Orianny!~canaima@190.36.15.62 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420766288 940162 :Orianny!~canaima@190.36.15.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola
< 1420766295 49268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Orianny
< 1420766295 920017 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orianny: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1420766331 643279 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.71.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't it in color this time?
< 1420766338 381243 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenir Orianny
< 1420766339 134736 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bienvenir: not found
< 1420766344 995986 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "bienvenir" even a word?
< 1420766350 422702 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you "bienvenir" someone?
< 1420766355 74846 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido Orianny 
< 1420766356 127058 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orianny: ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.)
< 1420766365 867559 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.71.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tres bon.
< 1420766368 639001 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how do we know whether Orianny is an -o or an -a?
< 1420766374 650116 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'd better also do the other one, just in case.
< 1420766377 531549 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenida Orianny
< 1420766378 412350 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bienvenida: not found
< 1420766382 999175 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that answers the question.
< 1420766396 437815 :Orianny!~canaima@190.36.15.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no hablo ingles 
< 1420766398 932735 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bienvenido/a, como estas?
< 1420766414 634392 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.95.192 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1420766424 237036 :Orianny!~canaima@190.36.15.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bien y tu  tswett
< 1420766424 966523 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.71.79 NICK :AndoDaan
< 1420766428 73243 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo si hablo espanol, pero sin los acentos porque mi... como se dice "my keyboard sucks" en espanol?
< 1420766576 579029 :Orianny!~canaima@190.36.15.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :que bueno y de donde eres ?
< 1420766788 703614 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :De Michigan, en los Estados Unidos.
< 1420766815 493221 :Orianny!~canaima@190.36.15.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :que b
< 1420766838 205473 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which United States? The United Mexican States? No, the United States of America. Which United States of America? The United Mexican States of America? No, the OTHER United States of America.)
< 1420766925 427430 :Orianny!~canaima@190.36.15.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :como es todo haya donde vives ?
< 1420767124 414426 :Orianny!~canaima@190.36.15.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett esta hay 
< 1420767321 783856 :Orianny!~canaima@190.36.15.62 PART :#esoteric
< 1420767510 315407 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adi&oacute;s.
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< 1420769100 448779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: let S be an uncountable set with the topology that a subset is open iff its complement is countable.  let A = { y | y in O forall O in C, x /= y }.  then A is open.
< 1420769115 863852 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1420769156 485491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how rude
< 1420769168 776468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett let S be an uncountable set with the topology that a subset is open iff its complement is countable.  let A = { y | y in O forall O in C, x /= y }.  then A is open.
< 1420769168 820072 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1420770021 193489 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett You could also take the empty set for A (probably not intended), which is open but does not contain x.
< 1420770021 236777 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1420770023 286078 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420770045 257345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed that, but come on
< 1420770279 316830 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why don't you try to do Kimariji sideways?
< 1420770295 617359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAA spoilers
< 1420770402 610141 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- evil
< 1420770405 501854 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> repeat 'A'
< 1420770406 869797 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...
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< 1420770497 609164 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5*  10New user account
< 1420770518 797334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1420770588 206816 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm "Esowiki", does that string appear on the site?
< 1420770628 85899 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 'W' : repeat 'A' ++ "T"
< 1420770629 555352 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...
< 1420770633 111960 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can see quickly, it seems to say "Esolang" everywhere...
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< 1420770670 6219 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The question is whether the name "Esowiki201529A" involved any human interaction. It might...)
< 1420770694 750910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking similar thoughts
< 1420770805 710312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find two mentions in talk pages
< 1420770857 824850 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, I'd wait for the first edit. We're odd people after all :)
< 1420770911 373256 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I'm saying that as somebody who's refusing to make a wiki account.)
< 1420770920 265585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o
< 1420771122 592377 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :why refuse
< 1420771303 594415 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, let me make up a reason... Because I want to improve the reputation of "IPs".
< 1420771422 762552 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :wwhat is the real reason
< 1420771433 214840 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't wanna.
< 1420771442 592624 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1420771861 808275 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07LLLL14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41627 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+66) 10Created page with "#REDIRECT [http://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1517]"
< 1420771905 788376 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07LLLL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41628&oldid=41627 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+2) 10Redirected page to [[Http://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1517]]
< 1420772001 680904 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07LLLL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41629&oldid=41628 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (-12) 10
< 1420772045 529358 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isnt a very high quality page :/
< 1420772125 535830 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the usual spam either.
< 1420772156 800533 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07LLLL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41630&oldid=41629 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+73) 10
< 1420772186 103203 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : LLL is an esotiric programming with logic circuits. 
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< 1420772214 267583 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but LLLL is a set of CA rules?
< 1420772248 637120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the forum link looks good though.  i wonder if that's lode vandevenne - oh right the new link goes to his site
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< 1420772389 276750 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: oh I missed the typo.
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< 1420773621 601983 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5*  10moved [[0211110]] to [[Binary:111]]
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< 1420774154 309797 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :?!
< 1420774154 390642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? .
< 1420774521 770035 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lodev.org/ he has 4 esolangs
< 1420774523 559271 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :prety cool
< 1420774558 69470 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't explain that move...
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< 1420774971 390349 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Binary:11114]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41633&oldid=41631 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+7) 10It called "binary:111"
< 1420775503 239939 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07قلب14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41634&oldid=41446 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+39) 10This is not english based programming language
< 1420775650 677790 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you pleaes ban this asshole?
< 1420775657 936388 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07LLLL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41635&oldid=41630 5* 03213.162.68.166 5* (+396) 10stubify
< 1420775660 331930 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott?
< 1420775676 517391 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie ?
< 1420775688 839677 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are the staff
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< 1420776021 406752 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. The LLLL edits were bad, but at least not obviously ill-intentioned. But the other three edits... :-(
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< 1420778529 160639 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANY WIKI ADMINS
< 1420778583 331645 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. there are none.
< 1420778662 302922 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/
< 1420778683 185024 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: you make it sound so urgent
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< 1420779857 468729 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03Ehird 5*  10moved [[02Binary:11110]] to [[111]] over redirect: I know what my own language is called
< 1420779895 339806 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07قلب14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41637&oldid=41634 5* 03Ehird 5* (-39) 10Undo revision 41634 by [[Special:Contributions/Esowiki201529A|Esowiki201529A]] ([[User talk:Esowiki201529A|talk]]) non-english languages are perfectly welcome here, and those templates don't even exist
< 1420780006 530445 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :one more...
< 1420780057 381437 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Esowiki201529A14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41638 5* 03Ehird 5* (+344) 10/* Disruptive edits */ new section
< 1420780085 164608 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[0711114]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41639&oldid=41636 5* 03Ehird 5* (-7) 10Undo revision 41633 by [[Special:Contributions/Esowiki201529A|Esowiki201529A]] ([[User talk:Esowiki201529A|talk]])
< 1420780089 964061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thanks, I missed that one
< 1420780111 597979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to warn people when I don't understand their actions at all
< 1420780197 345308 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, note that the page as created by Esowiki201529A consisted of two uncommented links.
< 1420780249 834358 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... strange.
< 1420780256 794690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but they're on-topic, so.
< 1420780293 597402 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its probably just a trick
< 1420780295 175808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd guess they're not actually trying to be actively malicious, so whatever
< 1420780312 530537 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :do a pretend contribution to hide your bad action
< 1420780335 163577 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-165-112.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420780335 850538 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway, thanks for taking action
< 1420780347 64774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they keep doing it I'll block
< 1420780361 336306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're probably just a kid messing around, I think
< 1420780362 991678 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not my thing, so do whatever, but the stuff that scrolled by earlier looked more misguided than malicious
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< 1420780532 628146 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :glguy: The thing I didn't get was that the LLLL edits looked like they were made by somebody who didn't know what wikis are for (though they read up about mediawiki syntax), but the other three edits were enforcing some imaginary policy. That's inconsistent.
< 1420780592 857670 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm probably thinking about this too much.
< 1420780615 910797 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420780696 577931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's worth worrying about too much. it's clear they're not some evil mastermind destroying the wiki with their cunning plan. my experience (and my own behaviour on the internet when I was a kid) suggest that it's just someone overly-eager who wants to be making edits and doing things to the wiki but doesn't really have much in the way of contributions to do that with, and who doesn't entire
< 1420780702 615285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ly understand the rudeness of randomly changing other people's languages or whatever.
< 1420780712 542060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is annoying though but eh, I reverted it all in a few clicks anyway
< 1420780771 917832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They must have misunderstood some things
< 1420780812 251243 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : they're not some evil mastermind destroying the wiki with their cunning plan <----- How do you know? This could only be the beginning
< 1420780828 261965 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :[just kidding]
< 1420780867 165789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when they assassinate me, invade canada and seize the server running the wiki, that's when to start worrying
< 1420780902 155496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although if they were trying to do that, there would be better ways of doing that.
< 1420780918 167441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if the wiki can handle NSQX it can handle this :p
< 1420780927 924038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it couldn't handle NSQX. but.
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< 1420781113 307578 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07LLLL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41640&oldid=41635 5* 03213.162.68.166 5* (+23) 10Category:Languages (why do we have a category that encompasses 2/3 of the wiki?)
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< 1420782831 252743 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what programming languages havea regular language syntax
< 1420782844 88600 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :just stack and assembly ones?
< 1420782855 841932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made up one artifact card with "Graft 0, Unleash, Undying, Echo {0}" abilities.
< 1420782892 479878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I don't know? There probably are others.
< 1420782920 702774 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its rare to have a language which is regular
< 1420782925 853152 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people like brackets
< 1420782957 864335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although not all programming languages have brackets.
< 1420782976 416343 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, some assemblers use brackets too (for expressions, usually)
< 1420782995 11571 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully they only have a set depth
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< 1420783545 550954 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can say that the syntax of commentless brainfuck is [][+-<>,.]*, which is regular
< 1420783633 98801 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No the brackets have to match
< 1420783637 71571 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im discounting brainfuck
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< 1420783899 883396 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF with nesting depth 2 should be enough for everybody ;-)
< 1420784123 547447 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the minimum depth for tc
< 1420784314 557909 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, 2 is my bet.
< 1420784336 786180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbfi uses 2-3 I think
< 1420784394 976660 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbfi has 5
< 1420784593 4107 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dynamicdev.net/Twit
< 1420784817 24864 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/5/7/
< 1420784835 919697 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh that's right, /// is regular.
< 1420784849 578722 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1420784851 279525 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicely remembered
< 1420784982 561493 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you may be interested to know that 392629621582222667733213907054116073 is a base {2,3} palindrome
< 1420785068 971313 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the shortest possible non-single-digit base {2,3} palindrome
< 1420785070 628066 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1420785085 330577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering the same thing; I want to know too
< 1420785105 623064 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but it's larger than those listed http://oeis.org/A060792
< 1420785170 680094 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Next term (if it exists) is greater than 3^66." well, that covers the "if it exists" part, at least
< 1420785240 733839 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you write an efficient program to find it?
< 1420785302 593169 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That took about a day to find
< 1420785308 840352 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: hmm, mixed based palindromes are not currently on my agenda, but thanks.
< 1420785326 126680 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm interested, but don't have the time)
< 1420785417 391855 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi
< 1420785417 628117 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 090620Z VRB02KT 9999 FEW080 SCT300 M05/M06 Q1032 NOSIG
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< 1420785669 532497 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: is this the first term greater than 3^66?
< 1420785685 793961 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming the program is correct, it should be
< 1420785747 596894 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wwas just wondering what kind of optimizations were used in a search for that type of number
< 1420785826 335273 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: there's this link: http://chesswanks.com/txt/BigDualPalindromes.txt
< 1420785898 219261 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, except I didn't have enough RAM, so I sorted the lookup table on disk
< 1420785969 973927 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, hmm. To find N, one needs O(N^(1/4)) time and memory, with possible trade off (M memory and T should work for MT = O(N^(1/2)))
< 1420785979 658354 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*trade of*
< 1420785990 941230 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :provided that M<T, and ignoring logarithmic factors.
< 1420786046 191796 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives up on speling and grammer.
< 1420786688 473110 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
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< 1420789787 927722 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I think I might like a compiles-to-Javascript language more than a native compiled language that it's mostly copying from
< 1420789887 419703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might it be better to just one but with multiple compiling target backends?
< 1420789910 963019 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PureScript does not provide this rule, so it is necessary to either
< 1420789911 42769 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :omit the operator: runST do ..."
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< 1420789936 118921 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the reason everyone uses $ there in Haskell is because it's necessary. So if it's not necessary in Purescript, that seems like a good thing
< 1420789943 750100 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, interactively re-engineer excellent leadership skills objectively evolve functionalized value authoritatively generate extensible web services credibly aggregate parallel deliverables
< 1420789970 614568 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but I don't care about compiling to Javascript. I do care that this language seems better
< 1420790101 187022 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither do I, but that doesn't affect what makes it better and how to fix it by using multiple compiling target backends so that it doesn't have to be Javascripts.
< 1420790151 598308 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.atrixnet.com/bs-generator.html "fungibly" is an enterprise word apparently
< 1420790225 462895 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: Oh yeah? ... You call yourself a pirate?
< 1420791036 81902 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :'I made up one artifact card with "Graft 0, Unleash, Undying, Echo {0}" abilities.' -- that sounds like an un-card, because the combination of abilities probably actually make sense but it's quite opaque what they are doing
< 1420791109 668595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: nice
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< 1420791198 714411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Maybe, but I like to try making up these kind of things
< 1420791234 210772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note that the card isn't a creature; it is a non-creature artifact. That doesn't prevent the abilities from working, though.)
< 1420791274 438789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you see what they are doing?
< 1420791277 710875 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: if you know it's the least such number after 8022581057533823761829436662099 then submit that to the oeis for that entry
< 1420791319 440724 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not really. I don't see why it has "Graft 0, Unleash" instead of just "Graft 1"
< 1420791352 318295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's randomly generated spam-filter avoidance block is funnier than usual.
< 1420791354 502033 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can choose not to use Unleash, don't you know that?
< 1420791355 899600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Capel did not play football in 2000, while he was competing as a sprinter on the U. Ginty Lush won the toss and batted. Even after 50 years, the surface is still warm to the touch."
< 1420791383 929382 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, but why would you do that? the artifact doesn't seem very useful if you don't get a counter on it
< 1420791386 9546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That must've been quite a batting.
< 1420791406 477149 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it has a counter on it then undying won't work.
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< 1420791475 378408 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: doesn't it work like this: you put it to play with a counter, then graft the counter to a creature that comes into play in your turn, then next turn you don't pay the echo so you get it back with a new counter and repeat
< 1420791500 851459 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if for some reason you had no creature come into play in your turn, you do pay the echo cost, so it's not a problem the undying doesn't work.
< 1420791563 871769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do pay the echo cost, then if you want to get rid of it later you have to do it in a different way because echo only works once.
< 1420791599 962487 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean you want to sacrifice it to some ability to get it back with undying?
< 1420791600 674245 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so make it an upkeep cost
< 1420791603 248870 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could work
< 1420791609 4787 :frony0!~frony0@unaffiliated/frony0 PART #esoteric :"Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"
< 1420791639 350553 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Well, I don't want it like that; it is supposed to be sometimes it is difficult to use.
< 1420791647 170300 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, I don't know many things that eat non-creature artifact sacrifices
< 1420791688 715993 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I just wanted to see what I could do with only keyword abilities)
< 1420791794 297562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it seems there are a lot of cards that take artifact sacrifices
< 1420791803 401103 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, including Atog.
< 1420791950 602951 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etherium Astrolabe, Ferrovore, Reshape, Shrapnel Blast.
< 1420791980 316362 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, I'm still not sure I'd use that artifact to sacrifice for these, rather than other artifacts, even if that thing costed only {2}.
< 1420792051 548381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This use of these keyword abilities can make it really tricky; there are several things both players can do with such thing. How much do you think it should cost anyways?
< 1420792065 716122 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea. I can't imagine this artifact really
< 1420792078 458164 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see, there's at least one similar artifact that lets you put +1/+1 counters on creatures:
< 1420792081 470598 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baton of Courage
< 1420792086 764192 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think it's junk, useless
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< 1420792273 841753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that with my artifact, either player can do various things with the correct spells such as turning it into a creature to allow it to attack/block with +1/+1 per counter, sacrifice it to renew it, and various other things.
< 1420792293 899798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Baton of Courage doesn't put +1/+1 counters on anything.
< 1420792308 188362 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but if I want cheap artifacts, there are already lots of good ones that are already creatures
< 1420792328 616259 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't I play those simple ones rather than any of these complicated non-creature artifacts that require tricks?
< 1420792360 318658 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be called "I don't care whether I win, I just want to keep the Judges busy."
< 1420792388 24846 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I beat... the referee
< 1420792391 228142 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And become part of one of those joke card series.
< 1420792393 124974 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't normally require tricks, unless you (or your opponent) is trying to do something tricky, isn't it?
< 1420792422 270590 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :For extra fun, just put every keyword ability in the rule book on it.
< 1420792445 921255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if I want a cheap artifact I can play tricks with, then just take Shuko in the infinite life combo deck (you use it to target Daru Spiritualist or Task Force)
< 1420792478 851896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sometimes, protect you if all artifacts are getting destroyed.
< 1420792535 894815 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no problem, I don't have to like every card
< 1420792548 673480 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's fine not everyone has to like everything
< 1420792741 202105 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm prejudiced because any card that mentions +1/+1 counters never turns out to be as good as it seems
< 1420792762 171219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe...
< 1420793031 872702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I made up two non-creatures with ninjutsu. (I can guess what happens in such a case although I am not quite 100% sure.)
< 1420793710 864266 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Putting Elm on Node.js would totally defy it's purpose -- you probably want to use Haskell in that case.'
< 1420793715 713198 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ what if I prefer Elm
< 1420793746 383590 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although apparently Elm is missing a whole bunch of stuff. Purescript probably isn't, but Purescript seems much less popular, and not as suited for front-end
< 1420793771 372393 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Javascript can go frontend or backend. Haskell-like languages that compile to Javascript have preferences for frontend vs backen
< 1420793772 108936 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
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< 1420796989 202735 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your mom has a hairy ballsack." -- Wikipedia
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< 1420800929 789543 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft word processor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_ULtNYRCbg
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< 1420802236 365566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Enchanted artifact gains aura swap {2U}."
< 1420802387 281972 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If all these people making redstone computers spent that time on actual computing we'd have a... (I'm trying to think of a computing theory analogue for "cancer cure")
< 1420802820 339773 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Apparently that took like two years to develop.
< 1420802845 131803 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In less than that, Guy Steele prototyped a processor that ran Lisp natively...
< 1420802981 263783 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what did you do today?" "I mined 63 nand gates"...
< 1420803012 303938 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they make all these things by hand
< 1420803035 490017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're almost certainly not doing any mining
< 1420803039 518776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :creative mode
< 1420803050 81496 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even then
< 1420803092 191039 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/cemulate/minecraft-hdl
< 1420803094 741308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't see it as appreciably different from something like http://www.homebrewcpu.com/
< 1420803167 180236 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :beware of people who use fancy latin numbers like "icositetrad" in casual conversatoin
< 1420803187 381302 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that type of computer actually existed
< 1420803296 902966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares
< 1420804386 658940 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jellonas. is that 24?
< 1420804497 227668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I'm not sure, I don't want to understand the context
< 1420804540 922664 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well.
< 1420804898 702690 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's greek rather than latin
< 1420805159 271865 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Δεν μιλάω Λατινικά, non verba graeca.
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< 1420807085 762178 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Calculator fuck/HTML Code14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41641 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+5969) 10Created page with "<pre> <nowiki><html> <body> <h1>Two variable based language</h1> x: <input id="Var1" type="text" value="0" /> <br /> y: <input id="Var2"..."
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< 1420807237 135793 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Category:Implemented]] imo
< 1420807336 99220 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what.
< 1420807353 50413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...maybe this is NSQX.
< 1420807356 121955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good page though
< 1420807359 160075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's feature it
< 1420807586 952185 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Calculator fuck/Example14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41642 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+227) 10Created page with "==[[Hello, World!]]== This program prints out the words ''Hello World!'': <pre>*++*$++$$++$$++$$++$$+g*g*$-g*$-*+*+*p$+2*2*$+*-*pg*g*$+*+*p*pg*$+*p*g2*2*$-*+*p$-*p*2*2$-g*g*$+..."
< 1420807643 198769 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether the missing break between  case "d*"  and case "*f"  is intentional.
< 1420807778 543330 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, it almost certainly isn't. but with esoteric languages, every bug could be a feature.)
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< 1420807876 746679 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :d* then does v1 = (v2 = v1 / v2) / v1;
< 1420807904 62764 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus v1 = 1 / v2
< 1420807930 100763 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and v2 = v1 / v2
< 1420807932 424083 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, so this line is a bit misleading ;-) : <pre style="width:100px" onclick="Var2.value = Math.floor(Var1.value / Var2.value); Coding.value += 'd*'">y = x / y</pre>
< 1420807962 479796 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the intended behaviour i think
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< 1420808290 292146 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Calculator fuck/Example14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41643&oldid=41642 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+56) 10
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< 1420809201 687390 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Test cyclic redirect14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41645 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+34) 10Redirected page to [[Test cyclic redirect]]
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< 1420815019 252239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> Baton of Courage <-- Bacon of Tourage
< 1420816629 611790 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : #define unt unsigned int
< 1420816967 337994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unt-hinkable
< 1420817212 339040 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's not worse than some of our puns ;-)
< 1420817243 352154 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : #define chur unsigned char
< 1420817255 651504 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (I'm not sure who is the worse offender. Obviously your puns hurt me more than mine ;-) )
< 1420817349 719950 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : chur shurt unt lung
< 1420817378 215855 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is a lungfish signed or unsigned?
< 1420817435 900392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's a float hth
< 1420817438 218291 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : fluut
< 1420817445 930851 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be unsigned floats
< 1420817448 814539 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. unsigned floats...
< 1420817493 954841 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way we can use the extra bit for more exopnent
< 1420817615 700110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is suddenly wondering if the freefall police chief is going to marry his mobility suit
< 1420817624 826196 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it would help because then sqrt(duublu x) would always be defined
< 1420817640 172514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it suddenly starts looking like a natural development
< 1420817687 777322 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly double log(duublu)
< 1420817799 216628 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, there should be a type for nonzero positive reals
< 1420817852 83301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1e-999
< 1420817853 552433 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.0
< 1420817856 810290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1e-99
< 1420817858 399303 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0e-99
< 1420817863 350643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1e-500
< 1420817864 757884 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.0
< 1420817870 195201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1e-250
< 1420817871 447337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0e-250
< 1420817880 380570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1e-310
< 1420817881 751050 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0e-310
< 1420817887 598309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1e-395
< 1420817888 810072 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.0
< 1420817897 455945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1e-352
< 1420817898 930767 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.0
< 1420817899 214700 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420817908 539904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1e-331
< 1420817909 971197 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.0
< 1420817915 527410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1e-320
< 1420817916 774051 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0e-320
< 1420817919 637592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1e-325
< 1420817920 957316 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.0
< 1420817923 948199 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420817924 859642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1e-322
< 1420817926 150940 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0e-322
< 1420817935 598215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> log 1e-322
< 1420817936 959269 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -741.4443396478273
< 1420818008 416121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> until ((==0).(/2)) (/2) 1
< 1420818009 802425 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5.0e-324
< 1420818087 195277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5.1e-324
< 1420818088 487497 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5.0e-324
< 1420818250 231194 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 5e-324
< 1420818251 382598 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1074.0
< 1420818278 757751 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awful
< 1420818342 718566 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 / 5e-324
< 1420818344 256297 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Infinity
< 1420818372 493866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> until (isInfinite.(*2)) (*2) 1
< 1420818373 730157 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8.98846567431158e307
< 1420818395 977327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 $ until (isInfinite.(*2)) (*2) 1
< 1420818397 383209 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1023.0000000000001
< 1420818412 388190 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :denormals
< 1420818445 488960 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ieee doubles. not even once
< 1420818498 851172 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include <stdio.h>\nmain(){double d=5e-324;printf("%llx", d);}
< 1420818499 858950 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :7fbfd13d88
< 1420818528 372179 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include <stdio.h>\nmain(){double d=5e-324;printf("%llx", *(unsigned long long*)&d);}
< 1420818529 340552 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1
< 1420818620 944274 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include <stdio.h>\nmain(){double d=1e-323;printf("%llx", *(unsigned long long*)&d);}
< 1420818622 3312 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2
< 1420818861 875329 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ints are computer science, doubles are software engineering
< 1420818955 103915 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ufpvbgwqoeszgybs JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420819307 619867 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubles don't exist.
< 1420819391 570435 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's not true. that's just what the people who don't understand doubles say.
< 1420819441 524927 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1420819477 539778 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I met a girl who looked single precision but she turned out to be a long double"
< 1420819689 902787 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: do you mean -1 or -Infinity?
< 1420819698 263162 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly 1
< 1420819704 651478 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even 128
< 1420819841 192836 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420819844 167109 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :128.
< 1420819864 410808 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/
< 1420819864 706191 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Infinity
< 1420819869 794752 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/?i
< 1420819869 837868 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Infinity
< 1420819874 885775 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't increment infinity I see
< 1420819877 69459 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/?d
< 1420819877 163628 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Infinity
< 1420819882 936247 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :m39 = 213,466,917-1
< 1420819896 779326 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/?s
< 1420819896 898247 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Infinity
< 1420819906 788883 :S1!~S1@p4FF9311A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1
< 1420819914 976543 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you want to increment that mroman 
< 1420819915 700843 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/j?/
< 1420819915 799172 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (./) Invalid arguments!
< 1420819915 842600 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (\/) Stack size error!
< 1420819915 842731 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Infinity
< 1420819919 987127 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/J?/
< 1420819920 151413 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | NaN
< 1420819928 158236 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/J?/?s
< 1420819928 372728 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | NaN
< 1420819935 380839 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :??
< 1420819954 3350 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: Hm?
< 1420819954 430907 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.math.utah.edu/~pa/math/largeprime.html
< 1420819966 977332 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/fc
< 1420819967 84925 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (fc) Invalid arguments!
< 1420819967 128232 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Infinity
< 1420819971 366969 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/ti
< 1420819971 410681 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 1797693134862315907729305190789024733617976978942306572734300811577326758055009631327084773224075360211201138798713933576587897688144166224928474306394741243777678934248654852763022196012460941194530829520850057688381506823424628814739131105408272371633505
< 1420819974 687648 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1420819976 624050 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1420819977 389698 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1420819982 718991 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinity has an integer representation o_O?
< 1420819988 370003 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/tiSh
< 1420819988 477718 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "179769313486231590772930519078902473361797697894230657273430081157732675805500963132708477322407536021120113879871393357658789768814416622492847430639474124377767893424865485276302219601246094119453082952085005768838150682342462881473913110540827237163350
< 1420819990 321983 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/tiShL[
< 1420819990 536590 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 309
< 1420819992 843289 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has 17 million digits
< 1420819995 687368 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1420819999 717415 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinity only has 309 digits
< 1420820000 792102 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a prime
< 1420820017 753025 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/J?/tiShL[
< 1420820017 966541 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 310
< 1420820024 29223 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas NaN has 310 digits
< 1420820026 655664 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/J?/tiSh
< 1420820026 889902 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "-26965397022934738615939577861835371004269654684134598591014512173659901370825144469906271598361130403168017081980709003648818465322162493373927114595921118656665184013729822791445332940186914117917962442812750865325722602351369432221086966581124085574502
< 1420820027 334567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it's a side effect of how toInteger is implemented
< 1420820029 551340 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is negative
< 1420820035 508395 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's negative
< 1420820049 424035 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric : m39 = 213,466,917-1
< 1420820060 492882 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :has 17 million digits I meab
< 1420820063 571405 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that work the other way around?
< 1420820063 951446 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :mean*
< 1420820069 374932 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/
< 1420820069 482695 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Infinity
< 1420820070 932807 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/ti
< 1420820071 51398 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 1797693134862315907729305190789024733617976978942306572734300811577326758055009631327084773224075360211201138798713933576587897688144166224928474306394741243777678934248654852763022196012460941194530829520850057688381506823424628814739131105408272371633505
< 1420820072 864674 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/titd
< 1420820072 982772 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Infinity
< 1420820075 600273 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :muahah
< 1420820077 63524 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1420820080 531157 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/ti?i
< 1420820080 774729 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 1797693134862315907729305190789024733617976978942306572734300811577326758055009631327084773224075360211201138798713933576587897688144166224928474306394741243777678934248654852763022196012460941194530829520850057688381506823424628814739131105408272371633505
< 1420820084 513593 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/ti?i?i
< 1420820084 759527 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 1797693134862315907729305190789024733617976978942306572734300811577326758055009631327084773224075360211201138798713933576587897688144166224928474306394741243777678934248654852763022196012460941194530829520850057688381506823424628814739131105408272371633505
< 1420820087 255405 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/ti?i?itd
< 1420820087 469965 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Infinity
< 1420820088 969642 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1420820089 776833 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1420820093 565129 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :What am I looking ay
< 1420820095 481755 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :at*
< 1420820101 296179 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at infinity
< 1420820108 6064 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1420820127 235371 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the largest known prime number is bigger than a googolpleslx
< 1420820131 191334 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :plex*
< 1420820135 851271 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :god words
< 1420820163 199422 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/ti10co
< 1420820163 367101 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {1797693134 8623159077 2930519078 9024733617 9769789423 657273430 811577326 7580550096 3132708477 3224075360 2112011387 9871393357 6587897688 1441662249 2847430639 4741243777 6789342486 5485276302 2196012460 9411945308 2952085005 7688381506 8234246288 1473
< 1420820166 627251 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 million digits so I guess its bigger than infinity 
< 1420820168 436710 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1420820178 526996 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/ti10cosp
< 1420820178 741539 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | [Sh, "\n", 1797693134, "\n", Sh, "\n", 8623159077, "\n", Sh, "\n", 2930519078, "\n", Sh, "\n", 9024733617, "\n", Sh, "\n", 9769789423, "\n", Sh, "\n", 657273430, "\n", Sh, "\n", 811577326, "\n", Sh, "\n", 7580550096, "\n", Sh, "\n", 3132708477, "\n", Sh, "
< 1420820179 367181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1420820180 923408 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/ti10coSP
< 1420820181 139293 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {Sh "\n" 1797693134 "\n" Sh "\n" 8623159077 "\n" Sh "\n" 2930519078 "\n" Sh "\n" 9024733617 "\n" Sh "\n" 9769789423 "\n" Sh "\n" 657273430 "\n" Sh "\n" 811577326 "\n" Sh "\n" 7580550096 "\n" Sh "\n" 3132708477 "\n" Sh "\n" 3224075360 "\n" Sh "\n" 211201138
< 1420820184 114847 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/ti10coBS
< 1420820184 356965 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 1797693134 8623159077 2930519078 9024733617 9769789423 657273430 811577326 7580550096 3132708477 3224075360 2112011387 9871393357 6587897688 1441662249 2847430639 4741243777 6789342486 5485276302 2196012460 9411945308 2952085005 7688381506 8234246288 14739
< 1420820188 615420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure the largest known prime is smaller than a googolplex
< 1420820190 747628 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :309 digits
< 1420820195 523653 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0?/ti?i10coBS
< 1420820195 767320 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 1797693134 8623159077 2930519078 9024733617 9769789423 657273430 811577326 7580550096 3132708477 3224075360 2112011387 9871393357 6587897688 1441662249 2847430639 4741243777 6789342486 5485276302 2196012460 9411945308 2952085005 7688381506 8234246288 14739
< 1420820205 297613 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :No elliott 
< 1420820206 235281 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420820206 327148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :number of digits in the largest known prime: 17,425,170
< 1420820209 885665 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric : m39 = 213,466,917-1
< 1420820212 260147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :number of digits in a googolplex: 10^100
< 1420820215 342468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any questions
< 1420820219 149133 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1420820226 664128 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the number of digits somehow relate to how large it is?
< 1420820227 564475 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine
< 1420820235 314259 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk
< 1420820238 491360 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@
< 1420820238 719776 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | @
< 1420820238 761533 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 1
< 1420820239 927586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes, it's called a logarithm :p
< 1420820244 19144 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1@0
< 1420820244 242703 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 0.0
< 1420820244 350146 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 1
< 1420820244 415186 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its pretty long I guess
< 1420820246 32610 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq @0
< 1420820246 235375 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 0.0
< 1420820260 966827 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you divide a googolplex by 1 and itself?
< 1420820261 74352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: you're missing that 13,466,917 needs to be a superscript, those don't work in irc
< 1420820270 260839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an exponent
< 1420820285 812447 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, Ok
< 1420820307 702093 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 2 13466917?^
< 1420820307 916938 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
< 1420820310 404139 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1420820318 682635 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 2 13466917?^ShL[
< 1420820318 879724 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
< 1420820323 983167 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright then.
< 1420820329 240019 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :A number bigger than googolplex
< 1420820343 439263 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to find that
< 1420820364 557520 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 2{J?s?*}10C!
< 1420820364 719686 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 228510656987188830.0
< 1420820364 763042 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 373769884171.94714
< 1420820364 763198 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 51888311.35453704
< 1420820370 801528 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 2{J?s?*}20C!
< 1420820371 5955 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Infinity
< 1420820371 84230 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Infinity
< 1420820371 84381 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Infinity
< 1420820374 115142 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 2{J?s?*}11C!
< 1420820374 170253 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 109234465617278670000000000.0
< 1420820374 213904 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 228510656987188830.0
< 1420820374 214023 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 373769884171.94714
< 1420820385 777299 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 2{J?*?*}11C!
< 1420820386 19684 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (.*) Invalid arguments!
< 1420820386 85179 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (.*) Invalid arguments!
< 1420820386 129034 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (.*) Invalid arguments!
< 1420820388 255268 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff
< 1420820397 340307 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 2 2{J?*?*}11C!
< 1420820397 538998 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 3082797582150960060825374875267347268164340029730999104571144467050608921920646339600877190335097751414114384294014195868765793932144959853414780122285826738123600051221442167845136851330457269511328374382842132795545699826316386656124236236324783660607200
< 1420820397 655149 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :what am I looking at
< 1420820397 698339 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-;
< 1420820411 118522 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 2 2{J?*?*}11C!itShL[
< 1420820411 211366 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 5901
< 1420820413 620246 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 2 2{J?*?*}110C!itShL[
< 1420820413 915463 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
< 1420820416 647199 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 2 2{J?*?*}15C!itShL[
< 1420820416 864203 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
< 1420820421 299371 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 2 2{J?*?*}13C!itShL[
< 1420820421 446909 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 34391
< 1420820432 155110 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: It's called Burlesque
< 1420820434 872523 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ain't got time fo' dis
< 1420820443 403038 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its so...
< 1420820443 968741 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most evolved esolang there is
< 1420820448 396132 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1420820457 546917 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like
< 1420820461 908513 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :trash atm
< 1420820473 816164 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff
< 1420820482 217109 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haven't seen how beautiful fibonacci is in it
< 1420820489 60665 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1Jq.+10C!
< 1420820489 243767 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 144
< 1420820489 287237 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 89
< 1420820489 287367 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 55
< 1420820495 922819 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1Jq.+100C!
< 1420820496 150127 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 927372692193078999176
< 1420820496 205908 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 573147844013817084101
< 1420820496 206016 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 354224848179261915075
< 1420820526 863332 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1Jq.+10!CCL
< 1420820526 971806 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 144}
< 1420820529 982622 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :questions?
< 1420820532 171785 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm crying silently
< 1420820534 874668 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who made this
< 1420820541 359273 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some genius I think
< 1420820566 609545 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people say he has been admitted to a mental health institution though.
< 1420820585 266198 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they have irc there
< 1420820589 83250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: try graham's number hth
< 1420820590 217306 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1420820610 864424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mad
< 1420820611 611164 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.  "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.  "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."
< 1420820623 279233 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I actually got released this monday.
< 1420820651 71356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo hi
< 1420820651 169197 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hi
< 1420820664 619033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Romans on the loose | Home Alone 6: The horror of fungot | but often spelled correctly. | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1420820670 41793 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but no: I was there by my own choice so it's not really admitted nor is it released.)
< 1420820683 69381 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't believe I thought to run permutations to solve for anagrams before just trying sort ...
< 1420820688 627024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the technical term is "kicked out" hth
< 1420820694 820317 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...
< 1420820710 494940 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more "I decided to leave"
< 1420820714 362034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1420820724 219506 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm feeling much better now.
< 1420820729 20259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1420820735 162962 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :today is a day for leaving then. Congrats!
< 1420820747 366538 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION escaped the cult ... I mean Finnish school ...
< 1420820751 435487 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The burlesque website doesn't talk about "real word problems" as it claims, how disappointing
< 1420820759 215024 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1420820765 69968 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I'm sorry but it can't cure depression just yet.
< 1420820769 555210 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :is mroman at an institute
< 1420820775 285909 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: *was*
< 1420820784 290070 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why
< 1420820788 127479 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to pry
< 1420820805 340332 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chronic depression since 6 years
< 1420820818 421555 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1420820822 625366 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which recently turned into a major depression
< 1420820828 865272 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: depression is a rough business. it's part of why I quit the school.
< 1420820829 964459 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you ok?
< 1420820834 312977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: congrats to you too then
< 1420820841 420783 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: Currently, yes
< 1420820844 332867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the escaping
< 1420820869 274283 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1420820903 469461 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :School is amazing J_Arcane Especially the mass ammounts of anxiety
< 1420820920 771616 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can't leave school on a whim in America
< 1420820930 114204 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll be fined
< 1420820957 566790 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably jailed
< 1420820976 920857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people drop out of school in america y'know
< 1420821048 854239 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: it was a really screwed up program, and one tailor made to trigger all my neuroses. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suggestopedia
< 1420821057 291188 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm a college drop out, and not in jail yet. ;)
< 1420821102 550601 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you cant really in highschool
< 1420821117 35004 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :City council decision
< 1420821142 442551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the people I've known who dropped out of high school just don't exist then
< 1420821168 915548 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need atleast a highschool diploma for many jobs
< 1420821184 429877 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry elliott but if I dropped out my family would disown me 
< 1420821200 257713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well, that's quite far from going to jail
< 1420821225 827726 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: ahh, yeah, high school is differentish. until you're 16 or so in most states it is technically illegal, though I don't think they've jailed anyone for it since the 40s.
< 1420821230 286544 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :Id probably murder someone so
< 1420821241 598345 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk
< 1420821254 275002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: especially since homeschooling is legal and (afaik) not terribly regulated in practice in the US?
< 1420821255 714392 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need anti-phsychotics for stuff
< 1420821294 669639 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It really depends on the state. IT was in theory pretty specific in Oregon, but not well enforced and still pretty flexible.
< 1420821309 284759 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets
< 1420821313 137168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: yeah.
< 1420821320 795156 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh how did this come from burlesque
< 1420821325 721357 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :to this
< 1420821326 30240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dropped out at age ~8-10, but in the UK.
< 1420821326 950073 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk
< 1420821347 699308 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not every one is elliott 
< 1420821355 89298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is true
< 1420821393 127567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: btw congratulations on leaving! hope things go well for you
< 1420821396 322790 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Partly this is because the biggest motivator of homeschooling is religious, science education standards for homeschooling in particular are abominable.
< 1420821417 150143 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 64
< 1420821417 283824 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 64
< 1420821419 2840 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq @64
< 1420821419 218183 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 64.0
< 1420821425 899123 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 64.
< 1420821426 127163 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: (line 1, column 4):
< 1420821426 170388 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | unexpected end of input
< 1420821428 525527 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 64.0
< 1420821428 783935 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 64.0
< 1420821430 291839 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how? I thought it was required to be educated until age 16...or do you mean you were homeschooled?
< 1420821450 844477 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like water
< 1420821478 230857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jameseb: it's really not very regulated.
< 1420821503 658714 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: I don't do illegal stuff cuz ye
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< 1420821519 46880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have been de jure down as being homeschooled.
< 1420821533 119624 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY town in high school was lousy with teenage dropouts, but they were rarely even investigated unless the kid did something illegal.
< 1420821722 343434 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna use a mitre saw 
< 1420821722 426686 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :I has wood shop
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< 1420821983 737942 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzkyejqhrckamnab PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
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< 1420825185 321828 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have FINISHED EXAMS FOR THE WEEK
< 1420825408 219969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: good. what will you have next week.
< 1420825409 979694 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1420825436 191226 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :None, I just didn't want to say "until I next have exams, probably June"
< 1420825447 207120 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better
< 1420825447 874670 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recognize in retrospect what I said may have been mildly misleading
< 1420825451 140567 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For which I apologize
< 1420825487 50730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's time to celebrate
< 1420825533 783629 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooo
< 1420825595 131723 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, ais523
< 1420825625 238133 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nubBy (<=) [1,2,3,4,2,4,6,3,6,9]
< 1420825626 769929 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,6,9]
< 1420825648 192545 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, nice dropsort implementation
< 1420825683 925143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: technically undefined behaviour
< 1420825690 563798 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Does this work for any valid implementation of nubBy?)
< 1420825695 966154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, implementation-defined or whatever
< 1420825705 348754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must pass nubBy an equivalence relation
< 1420825710 771508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so theoretically that could just do whatever
< 1420825711 587661 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The nubBy function behaves just like nub, except it uses a user-supplied equality predicate instead of the overloaded == function.", That's all the guarantee base offers
< 1420825723 792324 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, nubBy could apply it backwards
< 1420825724 695341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand ghc and hugs worked differently on this point
< 1420825736 526730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: you could even just use a RULE to turn nubBy (<=) into reverse or whatever
< 1420825739 666453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm
< 1420825741 572746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1420825761 549778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc and the haskell 98 reference implementation didn't agree
< 1420825774 511062 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a reference implementation>
< 1420825804 835827 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :the GHC implementation only needs to match the reference implementation up to the specification, though
< 1420825841 599446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.haskell.org/onlinereport/list.html
< 1420825855 484652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they removed those from h2010 though
< 1420825897 178659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did? https://www.haskell.org/onlinereport/haskell2010/haskellch9.html
< 1420825926 488545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for the Prelude, but for the other modules
< 1420826157 597399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if parametricity means it's still safe to use relations that are reflexive/symmetric but not transitive
< 1420826185 754692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nubBy(((>1).).gcd)[2..]
< 1420826187 496683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,73,79,83,89,97,101,...
< 1420826213 927182 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, because nubBy can pick an arbitrary "equal" element to compare with the rest of the list
< 1420826214 654973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually no
< 1420826219 304244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1420826261 322125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least those work in both sane implementations
< 1420826283 95263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1420826291 361882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not
< 1420826325 615233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh actually i think the prime list might work even if you do that
< 1420826368 182969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a multiple still works
< 1420826374 660973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is seq relevant I wonder
< 1420826388 226290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there's no way to break things with it without breaking stuff that must work
< 1420826410 325067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also it could always try every combination of comparisons on the list
< 1420826418 184384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and check they're consistent with equivalence relation properties
< 1420826426 399612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and return [] if not
< 1420826433 634381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the DS9K way, I think
< 1420826445 292935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since if those tests pass it doesn't matter what element it uses for comparisons etc.
< 1420826454 238441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1420826458 490191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except nub has to work with infinite lists I guess?
< 1420826470 508074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could check as it goes.
< 1420826485 329924 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let nubBy (==) (x:xs) = x : nubBy (==) (filter (not . (x==)) xs) where x' = case filter (x==) xs of _:x':_ -> x'; _ -> x in nubBy (((>1).).gcd) [2..]
< 1420826486 953706 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,73,79,83,89,97,101,...
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< 1420826633 238890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _think_ nubBy (((>1).).gcd) [2..] is guaranteed to work for any parametric implementation of nubBy.
< 1420826660 58445 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm
< 1420826663 491466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1420826666 35952 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let nubBy (==) (x:xs) = x : nubBy (==) (filter (not . (x'==)) xs) where x' = case filter (x==) xs of _:x':_ -> x'; _ -> x in nubBy (((>1).).gcd) [2..]
< 1420826669 647333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1420826702 889877 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 10 $ let nubBy (==) (x:xs) = x : nubBy (==) (filter (not . (x'==)) xs) where x' = case filter (x==) xs of _:x':_ -> x'; _ -> x in nubBy (((>1).).gcd) [2..]
< 1420826704 579804 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,5,11,17,23,31,41,47,59,67]
< 1420826709 500177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you could break it by being evil enough.
< 1420826720 977279 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, are those all primes
< 1420826804 105559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem to have lost all multiples of 3
< 1420826925 615288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i don't think that's a legal implementation of nubBy, it will break on infinite lists when there is nothing or just one item matching x
< 1420827005 851623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however you could do a bait and switch thing.  once you get to 6 you can deduce that it's == to both 2 and 3, and throw away one of them.
< 1420827022 598941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think.
< 1420827037 790993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let True ==> p = p; _ ==> _ = True; check_symm p xs = [p x y ==> p y x | x <- xs, y <- xs] in check_symm (<=) [1,2,3,4]
< 1420827039 419291 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [True,False,False,False,True,True,False,False,True,True,True,False,True,True...
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< 1420827045 257080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let True ==> p = p; _ ==> _ = True; check_symm p xs = and [p x y ==> p y x | x <- xs, y <- xs] in check_symm (<=) [1,2,3,4]
< 1420827046 749399 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : False
< 1420827074 386634 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :But gcd makes it so that you can substitute any multiple of the prime and it still works
< 1420827083 631059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that + the same for reflexivity and transitivity, then feed the xs's inits into all of those
< 1420827095 898017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> and check they're consistent with equivalence relation properties <-- oh hm right
< 1420827095 966267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :advancing to the next init each time you process an element in nubBy
< 1420827106 827134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works for infinite lists, and checks as much as you possibly can
< 1420827122 651527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you can still subvert it by giving a list it just happens to work out on, nothing you can do there given parametricity
< 1420827259 863981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that would mean it _is_ an equivalence relation on the set of list elements.
< 1420827272 843818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
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< 1420827404 591915 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 8 $ let nubBy (==) (x:xs) = x : nubBy (==) (filter (not . (x'==)) xs) where x' = case drop 2 $ filter (x==) xs of x':_ -> x'; _ -> x in nubBy (((>1).).gcd) [2..]
< 1420827405 891778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,5,11,17,23,31,41]
< 1420827436 982559 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the most robust prime generator ever
< 1420829074 493603 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket has a suite of prime-number functions in the standard library. You can just do "(map nth-prime (range n))" ... kinda spoiled Project Euler a bit. ;)
< 1420829099 246319 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think there's a hole in your puzzle specs. "No cards that are in anyone's graveyard and exile have abilities that can be activated from those zones" technically doesn't exclude that the opponent has a Devil's Play in his gy and can kill you right now in your upkeep.
< 1420829392 845927 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: or five copies of Flam Jab
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< 1420832458 791016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because I made a mistake and wrote "activated" instead of "used"; I fixed it. I don't mean only activated abilities. But let me check those cards and see what it is anyways
< 1420832517 815870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't any triggered or static abilities that can be used from there either (possibly other than characteristic defining abilities).
< 1420832827 464767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: basically, any card with flashback or retrace or unearth
< 1420832869 425857 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess perhaps some triggered abilities that work form the graveyard could cause trouble too, I don't know if there are any cards like that
< 1420832915 585328 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's recover, but that won't matter in this puzzle
< 1420832948 855358 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you manage to donate a creature or something, btu I don't think that occurs in The Dark
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< 1420833010 336994 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Hunted Wumpus from Masques is the earliest card with that kind of stuff
< 1420833071 771863 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the word they use is "function" as in, the ability "functions from the graveyard"
< 1420833084 939705 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "functions in the graveyard"? I dunno
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< 1420837109 374427 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1420837140 219526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shikhin: uhhhh
< 1420837167 17867 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Apologies.
< 1420837179 404879 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I made a script that allowed others to rename me, and... :p
< 1420837220 406889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nic
< 1420837220 955349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1420837222 277986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I use it
< 1420837243 920622 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not going to get myself into more spamming!
< 1420837249 921268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no I won't spam
< 1420837254 683558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust me I have something better in mind
< 1420837274 329798 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it wrong to hate pointers
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< 1420837319 867354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please. all programming discussion is suspended until I can get shikhin to /nick elliott_ and then ghost them
< 1420837329 172858 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1420837345 935667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Nevertheless I fixed it.
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< 1420841746 393347 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Unary14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41646&oldid=40883 5* 0399.231.6.121 5* (+10) 10
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< 1420843659 472950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a Magic: the Gathering global enchantment card called Nirvana says "Goblins cannot reach Nirvana", it is meaningless, but what do you think it means to you at least? A few people including myself had varying ideas about what it means.
< 1420843733 308653 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmm, maybe it means that if that Nirvana is attacking and has flying, then goblins with reach can't block it unless they also have flying
< 1420843760 565317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, that is what I thought it meant too.
< 1420843771 771171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A global enchantment card attacking?
< 1420843784 38087 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course it can't attack since it isn't a creature, but it would have to become a creature and gain flying ability.)
< 1420843787 657248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's maybe not impossible but it doesn't seem likely.
< 1420843788 720348 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sure, it can get turned to a creature
< 1420843800 352289 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier than for an aura 
< 1420843802 68244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem to follow the intent of the card.
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< 1420843900 24778 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a goblin with reach also doesn't sound like a common occurrance
< 1420843919 576187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I realized that too
< 1420843995 390484 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least it's easier to get one than to get a flying global enchantment
< 1420844009 624078 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from an ordinary global enchantment that is
< 1420844051 746036 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not one that's printed already as an enchantment creature
< 1420844073 705420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, as to make it fly you have to first make it into a creature (even if you can give it flying without making it into a creature, which is even more difficult, it can't attack unless it becomes a creature)
< 1420844109 38360 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a goblin that can have reach without any other cards on the battlefield.
< 1420844148 467379 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you need three more cards, one to turn Nirvana to an artifact, one to animate it to a creature, and one to make it flying? or can you do it with only two?
< 1420844189 987346 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: duh. you can cast Snare the Skies on anything.
< 1420844209 110342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, fair enough.
< 1420844214 215899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to be clever with Cairn Wanderer.
< 1420844256 471883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: When doing a search, that's the one I found too, Cairn Wanderer
< 1420844333 296627 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs fancy rares like Cairn Wanderer? I can just cast Shields of Velis Vel on my Treetop Scout.
< 1420844552 376559 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though my favourite way to give creatures reach does require a permanent
< 1420844556 622202 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Spidersilk Armor
< 1420844563 564370 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually play that card in my elf control deck
< 1420844566 25566 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great
< 1420844811 806009 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so after Cleanse and that puzzle, I was wondering whether an opponent in a similar situation (nothing on his battlefield and hand, you have 5 life) could win starting from drawing just one card
< 1420844819 546887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not clean
< 1420844821 781354 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not cleanse
< 1420844823 726830 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that card
< 1420844848 801955 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dust to Dust
< 1420844849 654811 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1420844917 564652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This puzzle doesn't have enough targets for Dust to Dust isn't it?
< 1420844934 145372 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it does, the circle of protection and some card you have
< 1420844947 522635 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :your PRism
< 1420844951 93261 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Celestial Prism
< 1420844966 993120 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust 1.0.0 alpha!
< 1420844967 768388 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Circle of Protection isn't an artifact.
< 1420844970 565156 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that with Dust to Dust, the opponent can still keep two lands, which is enough
< 1420844982 899674 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...
< 1420844986 501960 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1420844998 716466 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :taht card doesn't destroy enchantments?
< 1420845004 785157 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1420845005 856406 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1420845011 853186 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only artifacts.
< 1420845024 36289 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1420845027 593157 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this wasn't about Dust to Dust
< 1420845031 861335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you may have meant Cleansing.
< 1420845033 274205 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was taht crazy card that destroyed lands?
< 1420845040 170554 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that
< 1420845115 155837 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes they can, in various ways, depending on the situation. For example if you don't have enough cards in your library afterward they will defeat you with Ancestral Recall.
< 1420845135 831206 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably do have enough cards
< 1420845178 493831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, probably, although the stipulation says this is not guaranteed.
< 1420845178 891540 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fun part is that if you had only 4 life, Pact of the Titan would be enough for them to win
< 1420845297 160722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually with that and Lightning Bolt, they can still win if the first card they picked up is Ancestral Recall targeting themself instead of you.
< 1420845317 140547 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but they can't pay for the Ancestral Recall
< 1420845332 183302 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I'm asking for the hypothetical situation when they hae no lands
< 1420845344 558545 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cleansing isn't enough, because it lets them keep two lands, which is enough for them to win
< 1420845344 919198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I thought they had two?
< 1420845355 894308 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, with Cleansing they keep two lands, for six mana
< 1420845388 263821 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can play Ideas Unbound, draw a Mountain, a Lava Axe, and a third card they discard to the Lava Axe
< 1420845394 231280 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they win even without the Mana Flare
< 1420845406 678212 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this isn't part of the puzzle,
< 1420845438 290770 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wondering if it's possible for them to win if they have no permanents at all and no card in hand at the start of their turn
< 1420845449 196264 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you still have 5 life
< 1420845479 207338 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could assume you still have Concordant Crossroads and two Mana Flare if that makes it easier
< 1420845585 424159 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and assume your Leviathan is tapped or dead or something
< 1420845596 999309 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bird is too
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< 1420848699 364049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Sgeo> Rust 1.0.0 alpha! <-- ooh
< 1420848716 806242 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1420848721 849264 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cajole" doesn't look right
< 1420848730 295652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what?
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< 1420848739 932954 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, to be an English word
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< 1420848755 200589 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's fine when it's spoken?
< 1420848761 416109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks correctly spelled to me, but of course it might be borrowed
< 1420848826 464100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cajowl
< 1420848859 300027 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from French
< 1420848891 654723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally
< 1420848915 460658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could have been spanish but then it would have been pronounced like caholey
< 1420848973 27374 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was used in English as early as 1645
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< 1420849281 525776 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I have exactly the same IRC open on two different computers
< 1420849294 951187 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can swap between the two by turning a little
< 1420849303 668935 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no-one can tell any different?
< 1420849356 11636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :schrödineb
< 1420849572 381801 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tough should be spelled tuff
< 1420849612 570444 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I ought to go to bed soon
< 1420849619 131059 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1420849826 875720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess #esoteric is an odd channel to ask this question, but it's possibly more ontopic than half the stuff that normally gets posted here?
< 1420849838 576815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the NetHack DevTeam have apparently woken up, or at least, they're asking for advice about Unicode
< 1420849846 122679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bilious.alt.org/rgrn/?131319
< 1420849853 381609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here have advice for them?
< 1420849888 714319 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Follow your heart!"
< 1420849895 532312 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Believe in yourself"
< 1420849959 325419 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sleep for at least 6 hours a day"
< 1420849962 861321 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :On which note, goodnight
< 1420849977 467003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 6? are you trying to kill people
< 1420849983 357009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(goodnight)
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< 1420851730 308461 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the language is known to provide sane Unicode support, that should probably be preferred. But it's C.
< 1420851737 284762 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*using that
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< 1420852043 933384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think NetHack does not need Unicode especially if it can confuse the character width
< 1420852242 926770 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
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< 1420852932 396735 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are times when ipecac is unsafe.  It shouldn't be given to someone who swallowed chemicals that cause burns on contact or medicines that can cause seizures very quickly. "
< 1420852963 730141 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never really thought about how the latter could contraindicate vomiting. Although apparently vomiting doesn't actually help poisoning in general?
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< 1420852968 370908 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.poison.org/prepared/ipecac.asp
< 1420852985 429436 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, not enough to make ipecac considered useful tokeep at home
< 1420853026 41567 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Saw some Reddit thread about Yahoo Answers and apparently someone answered to drink ipecac to someone who thought they were a witch, which is why I'm reading this now)
< 1420853027 248290 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420853105 109743 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe no one actually answered that, it's a hypothetical answer someone made up to someone hypothetically asking how to learn magic
< 1420853155 455180 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inspired by https://i.imgur.com/DR9rJCE.jpg which is worse
< 1420853220 188051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if there were no hypothetical answers
< 1420853307 353166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it stands to reason that transformation to a different species would be by darwin award.
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< 1420856131 42893 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Sclipting14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41647&oldid=41599 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+5) 10Clarify previous edit; presumably shl = shift left
< 1420856273 807898 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By 2030, almost 80 percent of the ocean will be underwater.
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< 1420856400 210889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1420856446 211425 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1420856451 975874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's good they found out how to transform into mermaids, then
< 1420856509 613305 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10deleted "[[02User talk:Crewjony10]]": Spam: content was: "0x29A is an esoteric programming language, invented by David Lewis in 2004 http://www.topwedding.com/cheongsam" (and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Crewjony|Crewjony]]")
< 1420856531 246907 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.clickhole.com/article/18-incredible-ways-world-will-change-during-your-l-1676
< 1420856580 679009 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10blocked [[02User:Crewjony10]] with an expiry time of indefinite (account creation disabled, cannot edit own talk page): Spamming links to external sites
< 1420856646 194161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume disabling editing own talk page is reasonable when that's what they spammed to start with
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< 1420856706 671950 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did the bot pick up a piece of a different page?
< 1420856753 180332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it first did that, then added the spam link a while after
< 1420857007 711767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i vaguely suspect your link is to a humor site hth
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< 1420857018 704017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although 1 and 2 might technically be true already
< 1420857040 325838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by some interpretations
< 1420857078 594102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: have you ever accomplished 2
< 1420857079 731117 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 might be half true?
< 1420857101 450882 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, oil being anything dinosaur related is a myth, I think?
< 1420857110 158804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :birds do sometimes run on cars
< 1420857112 586942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: as a child i showered in a bathtub, does that count?
< 1420857130 870458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i'm all sorts of losing at prismata vs. the computer now :'(
< 1420857180 350128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://what-if.xkcd.com/101/
< 1420857210 97896 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 is correct according to Wikipedia
< 1420857359 487482 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: neat
< 1420857825 722802 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let isP b n = (\x -> x == reverse x) $ showIntAtBase b toEnum n "" in all (`isP` 32456836304775204439912231201966254787) [2,3]
< 1420857827 176199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : True
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< 1420857844 891734 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Iexp14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41648&oldid=41611 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+10) 10/* Iexo reference */ Prevent line break by using nbsp's in widest row
< 1420858395 310689 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lisp2d14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41649&oldid=41614 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-1197) 10wikify, and alas I don't think the example is PD
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< 1420858570 312076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly i find myself starting to use ctrl-X...
< 1420858709 713156 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41651&oldid=41626 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10Ditto
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< 1420858825 618910 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07LLLL14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41652&oldid=41640 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10/* External Resources */ A capital mistake
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< 1420858966 734354 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, nerds. Anyone know where I can ask about doing horrible things to my motherboard firmware?
< 1420858972 673903 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10moved [[02Calculator fuck/Example10]] to [[Calculator fuck]]: This needs a main article and then a separate example article is overkill
< 1420858974 942878 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How important are existential types to good abstraction? Rust seems like it has a trickier time of it, and would use its equivalent of typeclasses in a lot of places where Haskell might use existentials
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< 1420874510 307511 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5*  10moved [[02Truth-machine10]] to [[Talk:111]]: ignored confusing vandalism
< 1420874542 874607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1420874579 526324 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03Ehird 5*  10moved [[02Talk:11110]] to [[Truth-machine]] over redirect
< 1420874692 889812 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accurate edit summaries
< 1420874772 761649 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Esowiki201529A14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41657&oldid=41638 5* 03Ehird 5* (+528) 10/* Disruptive edits */
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< 1420875109 902847 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ehird 5*  10deleted "[[02Test cyclic redirect10]]": doesn't belong in article space -- feel free to use [[Esolang:Sandbox]] for things like this
< 1420876134 486316 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Valid C++: fun(decltype(f) f): f(f) {}
< 1420876225 734375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Aw, that decltype(f) doesn't refer to the f it's declaring.
< 1420876229 552763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :disappointing imo
< 1420878093 849797 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION admires elliott's patience
< 1420878193 776459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: *shrug* it's only been twice and they're making contributions clearly not intended as vandalism too
< 1420878208 683471 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are an esoteric wiki editor
< 1420878213 994136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be the weird, vaguely disruptive autistic kid on the internet; I'm inclined to sympathy for behaviour that reminds me of that
< 1420878229 254594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: ha
< 1420878232 166203 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah honestly I think you rea really good, I would have smashed him immediately
< 1420878239 562283 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think that is not good
< 1420878278 470575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha I kind of freaked the when NSQX joined in like 2012 and I woke up to the main page having all this weird stuff on it and recent changes flooded
< 1420878289 531813 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is NSQX
< 1420878293 744888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me a few minutes to be like ok this isn't actually that big a deal
< 1420878306 616663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. an editor who did really strange suff like this a few years ago
< 1420878306 659906 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow
< 1420878350 1095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to, like, running an unauthorised bot to put the entirety of unicode on the wiki and then running it again from an IP after getting blocked for it.
< 1420878358 619936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still pretty sure they were just misguided because they also made a bunch of random esolangs and stuff
< 1420878368 918941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, administering a wiki is fun
< 1420878394 861255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I jsut realised their username is like
< 1420878398 243445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esowiki2015 + 0x29A
< 1420878400 614576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the captcha
< 1420878402 198261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good.
< 1420878403 23743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just
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< 1420884499 261779 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 It occurred to me that engraving éééé should take maybe 20% longer than engraving eeee but I'm not sure if any Unicode database contains "stroke count" or "ink required" or the like
< 1420884499 370532 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1420884750 119305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: do you want d to take longer than . too
< 1420884776 638831 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That would be the idea yes
< 1420884819 874597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems a bit realism-over-gameplay :P
< 1420884841 163476 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who engraves anything except Elbereth anyway :-P
< 1420885318 358530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The Unihan database is indexed by stroke count.
< 1420885327 720168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Not very useful in terms of e vs. é.
< 1420885390 272811 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes of course the info exists for Chinese characters but you'd need all of Unicode
< 1420885499 72898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ink required" is probably undefined, since Unicode doesn't define the actual glyph shapes.
< 1420885520 709103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could compute it from a reference font that best matches what you get by sampling engravings made by people in dungeons.
< 1420885564 325134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Uh, and also covers the whole of Unicode.)
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< 1420885889 334916 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The consortium has reference glyphs
< 1420885985 550793 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The real question is
< 1420885996 380674 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you implement fading letters
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< 1420886182 148699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I recall, the reference glyphs in code charts are explicitly not reference glyphs.
< 1420886220 64691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are just "representative glyphs".
< 1420886284 944391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess it's a subtle distinction.)
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< 1420886452 631976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Consistency with the representative glyph does not require that the images be identical or even graphically similar; rather, it means that both images are generally recognized to be representations of the same character." (Unicode 7.0, chapter 3.3, clause D2.)
< 1420886494 405332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From the realism perspective, I don't think they've considered dungeon-engravingness when selecting the representative glyphs.)
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< 1420886771 115353 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a brainfuck benchmark site?
< 1420886779 499903 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to see a comparison of all brainfuck implementations
< 1420886875 896333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember where the big one was.
< 1420886884 983715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a small one in http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:David.werecat/BFBench
< 1420886921 958397 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks very much! :D
< 1420886976 202799 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fast brainfuck interpreter using GNU lightning
< 1420886978 529629 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lvogel.free.fr/bf.html
< 1420886981 384310 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems to be the winner
< 1420886993 688138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a bigger one that I'm sure I've seen, I think on the page of some optimizing implementation.
< 1420887000 415477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course given the source, that might be biased.
< 1420887144 965504 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is bf-li so much faster for mandelbrot?
< 1420887147 612863 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a mistake
< 1420887147 935994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page I've linked hasn't been updated in a while -- this was something more current. Bah, my head is a sieve. It might even have been a page on esolangs.
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< 1420887294 229173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MediaWiki should offer some way of searching for the pages with the biggest tables on them.
< 1420887443 972753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Rdebath#Performance_Matrix   here you go
< 1420887484 231696 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, thanks so much!
< 1420887629 970555 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i dont understand this table
< 1420887654 280891 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "Zombie8" bitwidth
< 1420887665 292308 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comparing bf speed is tricky because I can write eg. a decompiler for c2bf specifically, then it would run c2bf-generated programs exponentially faster
< 1420887666 802244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: To be honest, probably only its creator understands it.
< 1420887681 610509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I knew that. I don't know that.
< 1420887698 709035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think it was asked on-channel.
< 1420887726 98243 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, by you in September
< 1420887734 665207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I see that.
< 1420887743 377974 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No answer that I can see, though
< 1420887779 226159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was sure I got an answer, but I don't see one either.
< 1420887797 676101 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you just figured it out and didn't write it down
< 1420887882 725452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The bitwidth column is the result of a cell size detecting BF program, it can fail like any other test but does not normally provide a run time. As it also runs some basic functionality tests so a major failure of this test means the interpreter is not run for the others. The test is in two parts so buggy or slow interpreters may lose the second part."
< 1420887892 87797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have located the program.
< 1420887935 194016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have to go now. Good luck duplicating the work. :)
< 1420887959 304049 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I'm not that interested and also going shortly
< 1420889676 615633 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41659&oldid=41656 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+4) 10Page exists
< 1420890618 41591 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what simple 'vm' like languages could I try to implement?
< 1420890631 352979 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a brainfuck already
< 1420890761 615011 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge?
< 1420890766 215324 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FALSE?
< 1420891094 49111 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think false would be good!
< 1420891340 981942 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07StackFlow14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41660&oldid=38324 5* 03B jonas 5* (+0) 10typo
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< 1420891721 500253 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07StackFlow14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41661&oldid=41660 5* 03B jonas 5* (-2) 10error: "inactive player" where you meant "active player"
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< 1420892595 695252 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Onecode (GermanyBoy)14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41662&oldid=39748 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-12) 10/* Operators */
< 1420894093 996561 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: instead of (a+b)*c do a+*cb
< 1420894117 219272 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i call it "inside out notation"
< 1420894388 199248 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :xy*+*yx instead of x*x+y*y 
< 1420894541 283239 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... stillnot totallly ambiguous without some rules
< 1420894576 259484 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:StackFlow14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41663 5* 03B jonas 5* (+631) 10/* M:tG implementation */ new section
< 1420894903 415660 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt make sense!
< 1420894904 124782 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll make a wiki page
< 1420894916 978360 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've figured it out
< 1420894925 964658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:01:43 <vanila> it doesnt make sense!
< 1420894926 97744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:01:44 <oren> i'll make a wiki page
< 1420894926 797567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1420894957 728870 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :xy+*z -> y+(x*z)
< 1420894991 575045 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :x+*yz -> (x+z)*y
< 1420895020 138050 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider the subexpression +*y as saying multiply y by the result of +
< 1420895077 509042 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then + takes its arguments from the next inside
< 1420895113 888994 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is x and z
< 1420895268 677332 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :now consider x---yzw the last - must be the outermost because only the first has a non-symbol argument 
< 1420895368 283975 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :((x-w)-z)-y
< 1420895428 994947 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Inside-out notation14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41664 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (+318) 10initial explanation and examples
< 1420895508 409850 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :xy---zw -> (y-z)-(x-w)
< 1420895648 89503 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sur whether the rule of availability of arguments would always cause the innermost operator to be the last evaluated
< 1420895851 545151 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Inside-out notation14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41665&oldid=41664 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (+125) 10
< 1420896080 709349 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Inside-out notation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41666&oldid=41665 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (-99) 10actually, not the case. see example
< 1420896274 764861 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :now let's build a language based on this notation! 
< 1420896549 993573 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something J-esque?
< 1420896581 879698 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it would need to be functional...
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< 1420897051 306586 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Inside-out notation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41667&oldid=41666 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (+44) 10
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< 1420899832 906512 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang, I'm now one of those silly people who want to sort a bunch of ints really fast
< 1420900105 491381 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: how large a bunch? fits in memory, or doesn't?
< 1420900251 420896 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, as many as possible.
< 1420900278 168670 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The previous run of this program resulted in a 92GB file with ~4*10^9 records
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< 1420900749 200997 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :OREN
< 1420900752 760084 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren??
< 1420900764 165862 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oren use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bijective_numeration
< 1420900764 212959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1420900883 979998 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so more than would fit in the memory, ok
< 1420900892 921027 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they 64-bit integers/
< 1420901154 817028 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, though I don't think that's important
< 1420901184 113335 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They're effectively ~36-bit integers.)
< 1420901268 77680 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if it's 36 bits, then 92 GB has a lot of them
< 1420902708 412506 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1420903757 931817 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I figured out the simplest solution.
< 1420903772 733766 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just go out and buy a flash drive for this.
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< 1420904190 714014 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, without exams to worry about I am pretty darn bored
< 1420904316 192986 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you find a cool project to wokr on
< 1420904343 659176 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1420904350 11645 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will just read though
< 1420904500 552690 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exams in January?
< 1420904795 109998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have/had that in norway too
< 1420904815 730629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some december, some january
< 1420904838 327609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to ensure that nice christmas spirit
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< 1420904984 934044 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh.
< 1420905007 798207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's the common reaction i think
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< 1420905621 721877 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcanello. ???
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< 1420908301 979274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :96 GB is not automatically "more than would fit in the memory" these days.
< 1420908332 403875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cluster at the university had a couple of "fat nodes" with 1TB of RAM for memory-hungry tasks.
< 1420908340 626654 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sure
< 1420908342 153712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/96/92/
< 1420908347 784827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that Jafet is trying to expand an OEIS sequence, we can safely assume he _will_ run out of resources eventually.
< 1420908392 330939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think our January exams were mostly for those who wanted to retake something they screwed up in December.
< 1420909141 549202 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's still automatically "more than would fit in the memory of a PC"
< 1420909152 905285 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Haswell chipsets go up to 64GiB?)
< 1420909295 804336 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this is about that problem!
< 1420909318 806422 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: doesn't it have a sane enough distribution that you could use a binned sort or hashing rather than a usual sort?
< 1420909330 402223 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, a bucketed sort
< 1420909333 136570 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1420909345 973933 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need RAM to do that.
< 1420909382 664102 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it probably doesn't help much for an external (disk) sort over a regular merge sort
< 1420909419 298183 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even then, if you just use a few gig of ram, shouldn't some ordinary merge sort on the disk or whatever other sort run fast enough to finish in an hour?
< 1420909528 673897 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: doesn't 96 GB of 36 bit numbers mean that say one in every four or eight number is present?
< 1420909561 127164 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :On average. (They're fairly well-distributed.)
< 1420909606 133898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: could you get a machine with 16 GB RAM and fit a bitmap of 2**36 bits in the ram? would that be enough?
< 1420909625 1377 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :machines with 16 GB of ram are actually accessible these days
< 1420909642 845210 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, borrow time on such a machine from a friend or something
< 1420909645 317498 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already searched this space. The next search size will create ~200GB
< 1420909654 597668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ah...
< 1420909682 754706 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's after you've traded some of the space for time, right? because you can run this for days
< 1420909744 140162 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming I don't run out of disks, equal space/time is probably the optimal tradeoff on this machine
< 1420909765 384581 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "equal space/time" mean?
< 1420909808 824778 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean spending about the same time for creating the tables as for the rest of the computation?
< 1420909833 129004 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The algorithm searches a space of 2^n by creating a "table" of size ~2^(n/2) and matching the other 2^(n/2) half on it
< 1420909874 468952 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, the only reasonable way to implement this is to make two lists of size ~2^(n/2) and sort them, because the table doesn't fit into memory
< 1420909887 579864 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see!
< 1420909901 14013 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, let me think
< 1420909940 454610 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're distributed mostly uniformly, right? 
< 1420909952 703122 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that helps.
< 1420909970 126013 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fast is it to generate the unsorted lists?
< 1420910010 245000 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :As fast as the disk can write them
< 1420910023 392577 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of sorting, could you generate the first list 100 times over and over, keeping numbers from 1/100 of the sorted list in memory, never writing anything on the disk, and after each time, generate the second list?
< 1420910038 117573 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, would it be faster than generating both once and sorting them?
< 1420910052 80705 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or vice versa with the second disk if that's faster)
< 1420910090 20063 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would only be better if the disk is 100 times slower than memory, right?
< 1420910107 596192 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: no, 
< 1420910117 753067 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if the disk is 10 times slower but you need 10 passes on the disk to sort
< 1420910205 515332 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the actual numbers might come up different, because again you can keep a bitmap instead of a list of numbers, so you can keep quite a large portion of your numbers as a bitmap in memory I think
< 1420910298 671313 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are just keys, so I can't use a bitmap
< 1420910311 553731 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... ok
< 1420910318 676709 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno
< 1420910336 192117 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, buying a faster sold state drive and ram might help as well
< 1420910338 501300 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 9e9 / (32*86e6)
< 1420910339 758918 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.270348837209302
< 1420910351 625954 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current sort uses 3 passes, apparently
< 1420910372 360632 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or 3 passes worth of disk I/O)
< 1420910380 64785 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1420910522 960145 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also memory is pretty slow if you use a lot of it. A RAM lookup is, what, 100 cycles?
< 1420910554 225567 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yes (depending on like everything), but that's the latency, the throughput is a bit better, isn't it?
< 1420910571 191148 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't really help using a lot of memory here
< 1420910572 813970 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are table lookups, as far as I know they are random
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< 1420911117 862740 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind that, apparently linux cached more than it should have
< 1420911178 251507 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind what?
< 1420911273 9864 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux didn't swap out the file (even with ulimit -m), so the disk I/O amount was too low
< 1420911301 883275 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, just re-create the file from scratch and measure time that way
< 1420911373 431693 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, I expected linux to swap out the file as the program was sorting it
< 1420911437 156105 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually linux decides correctly on what to keep in memory, but if it doesn't, you can force it 
< 1420911451 507165 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that usually you don't know better 
< 1420911461 242171 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :your guesses are just as bad as linux's in such cases
< 1420911481 56672 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I want to pretend this computer has less RAM so that I can benchmark I/O efficiency on a smaller file.
< 1420911507 925755 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you want to pretend it has less ram continuously?
< 1420911530 328788 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then start another program that allocates and mlocks lots of memory so only a little remains
< 1420911546 173591 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but then don't complain if your computer becomes slow)
< 1420911568 409123 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux I/O scheduling is taking care of that part already
< 1420911586 952883 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun, it turns out that linux does not implement -m
< 1420911591 864608 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just want to swap out the file once, then fadvise it
< 1420911701 714797 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean madvise?
< 1420911718 221006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :madvise or posix_fadvise
< 1420911726 851048 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :madvise works on mmapped regions, which may or may not be files,
< 1420911757 357120 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, I am sorting the file through mmap
< 1420911765 757026 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :posix_fadvise works on files which may or may not be mmapped
< 1420911902 311594 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about ones which neither may nor may not be files?
< 1420911969 97747 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ioctl
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< 1420913601 893759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1420913602 587714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 101750Z 10021G31KT CAVOK M02/M09 Q0967 RMK WIND 670FT 11039G51KT
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< 1420916201 709814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20150104-buzzwords.jpg   so buzzwordy
< 1420916275 163252 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expected a webring banner at the end
< 1420916285 885301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what google's working on
< 1420916435 650674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I am not able to comment on what Google may or may not be working on.
< 1420916438 711844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least I think that's what I'm supposed to say.
< 1420916462 370645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The photo's actually a day before I started, anyway.)
< 1420916491 433023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's from the Hyde Park "Winter Wonderland" thing, which had its last weekend... well, last weekend.)
< 1420916714 229390 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am increasingly unimpressed with the quality of CodeWars' Haskell exercises.
< 1420916734 436336 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nuopryucsbwwxquw JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420916804 373081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: Isn't it all crowdsourced? 
< 1420916830 146720 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current one, for instance, appears to involve calculating the factorial of 1,000,000,000, with an execution window of 6s.
< 1420917013 399331 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10^9 * (log (10^9) - 1)
< 1420917014 973383 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.972326583694641e10
< 1420917059 109483 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, I think the problem can probably be simplified to only finding the relevant factors of ten, perhaps, but I'm not sure I know how to do the math there.
< 1420917064 733428 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10^9 * (log (10^9) - 1) / log 256
< 1420917066 78530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.556832226637162e9
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< 1420917134 641975 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Mostly; I think they have some inhouse people writing some as well, and there is a peer review and voting process for it though. 
< 1420917297 680415 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the problem in this case is to find the number of trailing zeroes in a factorial solution, with the test cases extending up into 10-digit numbers.)
< 1420917354 370489 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> minimum $ sum . map (\q -> 10^9 `div` q) . takeWhile (<=10^9) . (iterate =<< (*)) <$> [2,5]
< 1420917355 787933 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 249999998
< 1420917371 587947 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: you don't have to calculate the factorial to tell how many trailign zeros it has. there's a well-known trick that makes it much easier.
< 1420917399 815410 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yeah, my guess was that you can just find the powers of ten in the list of factors?
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< 1420917518 402678 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1420917542 923570 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be easier if you try to calculate the number of zeroes at the end of (10^1000)!.
< 1420917674 175722 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you basically just have to devide x by 5?
< 1420917685 128979 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :divide even
< 1420917763 784449 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: no, by 4 approximately, I think
< 1420917774 106881 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why that?
< 1420917803 703254 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum . takeWhile (>0) . iterate(`div`5) $ 10^9
< 1420917805 218255 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1249999998
< 1420917819 321607 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum . takeWhile (>0) . tail . iterate(`div`5) $ 10^9
< 1420917820 547285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 249999998
< 1420917823 920032 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, apparently the trick is just counting the factors of 5.
< 1420918222 997792 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The slight hitch is that 25 counts twice (because it's the product of two fives.
< 1420918258 546478 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ last.show. sum . takeWhile (>0) . tail . iterate(`div`5) $ 10^n | n <- [0..99] ]
< 1420918259 988689 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "024999899877778765556754352242002432203110901019999877860635778564586554555...
< 1420918283 298832 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: well, that's why i would divide
< 1420918307 916405 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1420918313 110335 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1420918404 396475 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ read.dropWhile(=='9').drop 2.show. sum . takeWhile (>0) . tail . iterate(`div`5) $ 10^n | n <- [3..99] ] :: [Integer]
< 1420918405 833267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [*Exception: Prelude.read: no parse
< 1420918425 374603 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ read.dropWhile(=='9').drop 2.show. sum . takeWhile (>0) . tail . iterate(`div`5) $ 10^n | n <- [5..99] ] :: [Integer]
< 1420918426 624340 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [*Exception: Prelude.read: no parse
< 1420918433 970389 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :read.return
< 1420918434 41423 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ read.dropWhile(=='9').drop 2.show. sum . takeWhile (>0) . tail . iterate(`div`5) $ 10^n | n <- [7..99] ] :: [Integer]
< 1420918435 386720 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [*Exception: Prelude.read: no parse
< 1420918451 35004 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ read.('0':).dropWhile(=='9').drop 2.show. sum . takeWhile (>0) . tail . iterate(`div`5) $ 10^n | n <- [0..99] ] :: [Integer]
< 1420918452 440123 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,0,0,0,0,0,8,0,0,8,7,7,7,7,8,7,6,5,5,5,6,7,5,4,3,5,2,2,4,2,0,0,2,4,3,2,2,0...
< 1420918465 737554 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: why you no read.return?
< 1420918477 334829 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t read.return
< 1420918478 190199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read c => Char -> c
< 1420918501 54594 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :return makes a String out of the Char
< 1420918507 481456 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Char?
< 1420918521 627253 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hatever you put in there
< 1420918524 31526 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1420918527 160487 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvmd
< 1420918542 687599 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just start understanding what you are doing
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< 1420918791 32266 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhh! I see what you're doing now. (mainly because I have a page open in another window explaining the 'divide by 5` now. 
< 1420918841 664524 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you divide by progressive powers of five, until you get less than 1, and add the results, you get t he number of leading zeroes.
< 1420919190 442383 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let zeros n = let r = n `div` 5 in if r == 0 then 0 else r + (zeros r) in zeros 1000000000
< 1420919192 107410 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 249999998
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< 1420920106 878228 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://torrentfreak.com/chilling-effects-dmca-archive-censors-itself-150110/
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< 1420922389 765897 :reynir!~reynir@unaffiliated/reynir NICK :gunslinger
< 1420922408 239678 :gunslinger!~reynir@unaffiliated/reynir NICK :reynir
< 1420923242 157950 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/10924282_1542646042642323_7050022283664213488_o.jpg
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< 1420927029 633185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if it can get more complicated if your base isn't a product of distinct primes, like e.g. 12 = 3 * 2^2
< 1420927072 429512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, comfort pizza
< 1420927383 371897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let sumIDiv p 0 = 0; sumIDiv p n | p' <- div n p = p' + sumIDiv p' in sumIDiv 5 1000000000
< 1420927385 29114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a1 ~ a1 -> a1
< 1420927385 72259 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Relevant bindings include
< 1420927385 72375 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   p' :: a1 (bound at <interactive>:1:36)
< 1420927388 290622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1420927413 595612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let sumIDiv p 0 = 0; sumIDiv p n | n' <- div n p = n' + sumIDiv p n' in sumIDiv 5 1000000000
< 1420927415 12021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 249999998
< 1420927423 80496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone wants a slightly broken, used brain
< 1420927473 69072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let sumIDiv p 0 = 0; sumIDiv p n | n' <- div n p = n' + sumIDiv p n' in [(sumIDiv 2 n `div` 2,sumIDiv 3 n)| n<-[1..]]
< 1420927474 571911 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(0,0),(0,0),(0,1),(1,1),(1,1),(2,2),(2,2),(3,2),(3,4),(4,4),(4,4),(5,5),(5,...
< 1420927525 839752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks pretty close
< 1420927553 428731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let sumIDiv p 0 = 0; sumIDiv p n | n' <- div n p = n' + sumIDiv p n' in [compare(sumIDiv 2 n `div` 2)(sumIDiv 3 n)| n<-[1..]]
< 1420927554 743818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [EQ,EQ,LT,EQ,EQ,EQ,EQ,GT,LT,EQ,EQ,EQ,EQ,EQ,LT,GT,GT,EQ,EQ,GT,EQ,EQ,EQ,GT,GT,...
< 1420927755 630617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let sumIDiv p 0 = 0; sumIDiv p n | n' <- div n p = n' + sumIDiv p n' in map (_2 ^. (last &&& length)) . groupBy((==)`on`fst)$sort[(compare(sumIDiv 2 n `div` 2)(sumIDiv 3 n),n)| n<-[1..]]
< 1420927756 933425 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘([(GHC.Types.Ordering, b1)] -> b)
< 1420927756 976736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :                      -> Control.Applicative.Const
< 1420927757 20146 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :                           ([(GHC.Types.Ordering, b1)] -> b)
< 1420927768 191628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way that was going to work on first try
< 1420927866 653956 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the goal, for those arriving in medias res?
< 1420927880 664050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let sumIDiv p 0 = 0; sumIDiv p n | n' <- div n p = n' + sumIDiv p n' in map last . groupBy((==)`on`fst)$sort[(compare(sumIDiv 2 n `div` 2)(sumIDiv 3 n),n)| n<-[1..1000]]
< 1420927882 111157 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(LT,1000),(EQ,998),(GT,971)]
< 1420927930 990316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: J_Arcane brought up the question of calculating the number of trailing zeros of n factorial
< 1420927977 763210 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. There's a simple solution, but it seems I've sparked an obfuscation contest by accident. ;)
< 1420927991 384220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i thought, the method used depends on 5 being larger than 2, and each prime only occurs once as a factor of 10.
< 1420928004 326717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*occuring
< 1420928035 244080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i wondered if it could be more complicated in a base where the smaller prime factor _doesn't_ occur just once
< 1420928051 490011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 being the smallest example.  and afaict the answer is yes
< 1420928076 39692 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the answer is just the quotient of n /5?
< 1420928094 740034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: n/5 + n/25 + n/125...
< 1420928113 644046 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1420928119 156612 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: REcursive integer division is the easiest way. `div` by 5, then divide that by 5, etc etc until it doesn't go.
< 1420928134 663234 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1420928147 568541 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1420928148 987518 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let zeros n = let r = n `div` 5 in if r == 0 then 0 else r + (zeros r) in zeros 1000000000
< 1420928150 512973 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 249999998
< 1420928165 366598 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the digital sum base 5
< 1420928193 296886 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that deserve a frying pan
< 1420928209 731576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, looking in base 12 for n up to 1000 the contributions from 2 and 3 switch between dominating, even up to 971.
< 1420928254 103992 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1420928261 114878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i think 3 does so most often
< 1420928295 635444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let sumIDiv p 0 = 0; sumIDiv p n | n' <- div n p = n' + sumIDiv p n' in map (fmap length) . groupBy((==)`on`fst)$sort[(compare(sumIDiv 2 n `div` 2)(sumIDiv 3 n),n)| n<-[1..1000]]
< 1420928296 769603 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘(b0, b1)’ with ‘[a0]’
< 1420928296 847724 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: [a0] -> b0
< 1420928296 890964 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   Actual type: (b0, b1) -> b0Couldn't match expected type ‘[a0]’
< 1420928299 695675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1420928313 665430 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about 5 dominating?
< 1420928319 19621 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of a Lisper at heart, so I started off with a list mangling approach, ie. flip the result of n! and do takeWhile until I stop getting 0s, then count.
< 1420928322 102290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let sumIDiv p 0 = 0; sumIDiv p n | n' <- div n p = n' + sumIDiv p n' in map (fst &&& length) . groupBy((==)`on`fst)$sort[(compare(sumIDiv 2 n `div` 2)(sumIDiv 3 n),n)| n<-[1..1000]]
< 1420928323 317092 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘[(GHC.Types.Ordering, b1)]’ with ‘(c, b0)’
< 1420928323 360334 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: [(GHC.Types.Ordering, b1)] -> c
< 1420928323 360453 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   Actual type: (c, b0) -> c
< 1420928326 220049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1420928334 121731 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420928348 672817 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the codewars execution window is only 6s, and one of the test cases was a ten-digit number.
< 1420928363 554563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: for 10 5 never dominates because the 2's count singly
< 1420928385 224112 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant in bases like 20 or 40
< 1420928428 290953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let sumIDiv p 0 = 0; sumIDiv p n | n' <- div n p = n' + sumIDiv p n' in map (fst.head &&& length) . groupBy((==)`on`fst)$sort[(compare(sumIDiv 2 n `div` 2)(sumIDiv 3 n),n)| n<-[1..1000]]
< 1420928429 709463 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(LT,228),(EQ,343),(GT,429)]
< 1420928452 639141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go.  oh i was wrong about which dominates most often.
< 1420928502 234126 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about 5
< 1420928518 782080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee
< 1420928527 82718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let sumIDiv p 0 = 0; sumIDiv p n | n' <- div n p = n' + sumIDiv p n' in map (fst.head &&& length) . groupBy((==)`on`fst)$sort[(compare(sumIDiv 2 n `div` 2)(sumIDiv 5 n),n)| n<-[1..1000]]
< 1420928528 316320 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(EQ,4),(GT,996)]
< 1420928547 397728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 doesn't work
< 1420928555 53223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let sumIDiv p 0 = 0; sumIDiv p n | n' <- div n p = n' + sumIDiv p n' in map (fst.head &&& length) . groupBy((==)`on`fst)$sort[(compare(sumIDiv 2 n `div` 3)(sumIDiv 5 n),n)| n<-[1..1000]]
< 1420928556 482348 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(EQ,9),(GT,991)]
< 1420928556 611412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1420928567 429892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor does 40
< 1420928584 968177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let sumIDiv p 0 = 0; sumIDiv p n | n' <- div n p = n' + sumIDiv p n' in map (fst.head &&& length) . groupBy((==)`on`fst)$sort[(compare(sumIDiv 2 n `div` 4)(sumIDiv 5 n),n)| n<-[1..1000]]
< 1420928586 330557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(LT,108),(EQ,422),(GT,470)]
< 1420928595 103046 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 80
< 1420928597 642940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah 80 has a reasonable spread
< 1420928610 513241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let sumIDiv p 0 = 0; sumIDiv p n | n' <- div n p = n' + sumIDiv p n' in map (fst.head &&& length) . groupBy((==)`on`fst)$sort[(compare(sumIDiv 2 n `div` 5)(sumIDiv 5 n),n)| n<-[1..1000]]
< 1420928611 833634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(LT,986),(EQ,14)]
< 1420928630 570956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it gets clearcut the other way for 160
< 1420928642 542643 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn i would love to see a general result here
< 1420928707 912745 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you define "dominatr" rigorously?
< 1420928771 161284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in general the number of zeros at the end of n! in base b is the _minimum_ of same for each prime power factor of b
< 1420928782 353666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm asking which gives the most zeros
< 1420928800 466814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is actually backwards for finding the minimum
< 1420928808 205802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1420928894 704023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if b = p^i, then it's the number of zeros for p divided by i, naturally
< 1420928920 301158 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for so.
< 1420928932 834200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for a prime base you calculate it by the iterated division trick
< 1420928939 736269 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay yeah i get it
< 1420929003 74591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so presumably the sumIDiv function is "jumpy" in a way that allows different bases to overtake each other by not too large constant multiples
< 1420929030 729231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably involving a logarithm somewhere...
< 1420929114 607634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee
< 1420929126 210326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let sumIDiv p 0 = 0; sumIDiv p n | n' <- div n p = n' + sumIDiv p n' in map (fst.head &&& length) . groupBy((==)`on`fst)$sort[(compare(sumIDiv 2 n `div` 4)(sumIDiv 5 n),n)| n<-[1..10000]]
< 1420929127 850414 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(LT,803),(EQ,3068),(GT,6129)]
< 1420929178 517760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let sumIDiv p 0 = 0; sumIDiv p n | n' <- div n p = n' + sumIDiv p n' in map last . groupBy((==)`on`fst)$sort[(compare(sumIDiv 2 n `div` 4)(sumIDiv 5 n),n)| n<-[1..10000]]
< 1420929180 65286 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(LT,10000),(EQ,9981),(GT,9999)]
< 1420929199 754266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok LT is rarer, but never completely extinct
< 1420929535 637171 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah they're both  n/4 - O(log n).
< 1420929938 439820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1420929979 219396 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lpirzemptukoimls JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420930002 930120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so 1/p + 1/p^2 + ... = 1/(1-1/p) - 1 = p/(p-1) - 1 = 1/(p-1)
< 1420930044 957108 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lpirzemptukoimls PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-;
< 1420930048 676547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so indeed for 5, approximately division by 4, for 3, approximately division by 2, for 2, approximately the original
< 1420930078 401939 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "they" were base 16 and 5, specificially, as in your last example.
< 1420930092 725498 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or 10)
< 1420930096 432282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it works to explain both 12 and 80 which were tested
< 1420930111 732380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to have constant fluctuations
< 1420930156 259520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for 12 you have that both 3 and 4 are n/2 - O(log n), presumably
< 1420930204 411459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means it might be a more fragile phenomenon than i suspected
< 1420930215 746577 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's what you did there.
< 1420930219 45467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there will probably be _no_ combination with 7 which works
< 1420930252 388533 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lpirzemptukoimls PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you persons talking about
< 1420930264 343836 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 49*13?
< 1420930282 100429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i meant with the primes 2,3 and 5
< 1420930289 872896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah that should work
< 1420930309 431524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let sumIDiv p 0 = 0; sumIDiv p n | n' <- div n p = n' + sumIDiv p n' in map last . groupBy((==)`on`fst)$sort[(compare(sumIDiv 7 n `div` 2)(sumIDiv 13 n),n)| n<-[1..10000]]
< 1420930309 601529 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldnt 7 work
< 1420930310 944314 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(LT,9841),(EQ,10000),(GT,9996)]
< 1420930312 833288 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also things like 7*3^3
< 1420930328 379129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh right duh
< 1420930332 375717 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^n gives you 1/n.
< 1420930355 923208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i wasn't thinking, you can always adjust the exponent to match
< 1420930386 292930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let sumIDiv p 0 = 0; sumIDiv p n | n' <- div n p = n' + sumIDiv p n' in map last . groupBy((==)`on`fst)$sort[(compare(sumIDiv 3 n `div` 3)(sumIDiv 7 n),n)| n<-[1..10000]]
< 1420930387 705248 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(LT,9998),(EQ,10000),(GT,9995)]
< 1420930426 36790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's last found, not amount.  oh well good enough probably
< 1420930427 689080 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lpirzemptukoimls PRIVMSG #esoteric :What am I looking at. And where can I learn it?
< 1420930462 316306 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let sumIDiv p 0 = 0; sumIDiv p n | n' <- div n p = n' + sumIDiv p n' in map (last &&& length) . groupBy((==)`on`fst)$sort[(compare(sumIDiv 3 n `div` 3)(sumIDiv 7 n),n)| n<-[1..10000]]
< 1420930463 909353 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [((LT,9998),691),((EQ,10000),4046),((GT,9995),5263)]
< 1420930474 864073 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also dont see how 2^3 gives n/4
< 1420930481 987133 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let sumIDiv p 0 = 0; sumIDiv p n | n' <- div n p = n' + sumIDiv p n' in map (last &&& length) . groupBy((==)`on`fst)$sort[(compare(sumIDiv 3 n `div` 3)(sumIDiv 7 n),n)| n<-[10001..20000]]
< 1420930483 505194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [((LT,19943),1025),((EQ,20000),3272),((GT,19998),5703)]
< 1420930485 382515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: the code is in haskell, although we're using it to calculate final zeroes of factorials in strange bases
< 1420930489 536332 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm 2^4
< 1420930500 960743 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lpirzemptukoimls PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1420930508 32949 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it gives n/6, just like 7.
< 1420930525 233773 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lpirzemptukoimls PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol well I've heard of that But I kinda gave up on haskell last week.
< 1420930526 826223 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1420930537 257651 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, messed that up.
< 1420930545 782886 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you need to count factors of 2^4
< 1420930552 247632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: haskell is a language many people give up on.  some try again later until they get it.
< 1420930566 654469 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: which is the same as counting factors of 2 (and you get n - O(log n) of those), and then dividing by 4.
< 1420930570 341093 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lpirzemptukoimls PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is taking a break
< 1420930592 565961 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lpirzemptukoimls PRIVMSG #esoteric :For like maybe a month I Want to try something else
< 1420930602 846788 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lpirzemptukoimls PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just take a vacation from coding
< 1420930649 105990 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: (the n/p + n/p^2 + ... formula relies on p being a prime.)
< 1420930737 137843 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1420930741 227282 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lpirzemptukoimls PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also lots of Divs and im no where near that level of Haskelling oerjan I'm still getting stuff to print messages
< 1420930859 269781 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420930921 178774 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1420930927 708243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solace: div is integer division.  we're doing number theory after all.
< 1420930944 700623 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lpirzemptukoimls PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know 
< 1420930956 690342 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.142 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420930960 180278 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lpirzemptukoimls PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying a lot of divisiob in there
< 1420930970 788031 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lpirzemptukoimls PRIVMSG #esoteric :division*
< 1420931058 642379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nubBy(((>1).).gcd)[2..] -- obligatory haskell chestnut
< 1420931060 119533 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,73,79,83,89,97,101,...
< 1420931077 977398 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf nubBy
< 1420931103 808079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: we discussed yesterday how that is technically not guaranteed portable
< 1420931115 206431 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (zip`ap`tail)[1..]
< 1420931116 513306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(1,2),(2,3),(3,4),(4,5),(5,6),(6,7),(7,8),(8,9),(9,10),(10,11),(11,12),(12,...
< 1420931133 211428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because nubBy is supposed take an equivalence relation as argument
< 1420931137 426073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+to
< 1420931193 547219 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least (((>1).).gcd) is symmetric and hence robust against differences between ghc's implementation and the Haskell language report.
< 1420931206 217664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix(scanl(+)0.(1:)) -- other obligatory chestnut
< 1420931207 866325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,...
< 1420931222 354266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah
< 1420931251 866912 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote zip`ap
< 1420931252 227944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quicksilver says: zip`ap`tail the aztec god of consecutive numbers
< 1420931385 205156 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = nubBy(((>1).).gcd) in f[6,5..2]
< 1420931386 431146 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [6,5]
< 1420931410 653072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm the O(log n) comes just from the rounding down of division, right
< 1420931412 501770 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = nubBy(((>1).).gcd) in f[2..6]
< 1420931413 960186 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,5]
< 1420931426 422602 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mpiler verbietet
< 1420931433 627096 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn lag
< 1420931480 989505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1420931503 438850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for powers of p that adjustment becomes O(1) instead
< 1420931542 424240 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :while for powers of p-1, you get a maximal discrepancy.
< 1420931557 332471 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... err
< 1420931562 920104 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(powers of p)-1
< 1420931571 732706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains those frequent 9999 and 10000 in my tests above
< 1420931639 969399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that should be enough to imply that if b = p^i * q^k has the right asymptotics to fluctuate in which prime dominates, then it will
< 1420931662 512214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. if 1/i(p-1) == 1/k(q-1)
< 1420931704 191828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly feels sinful for not putting extra parens on the denominators
< 1420931729 912184 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's pretend it was p^k * q^i ;-)
< 1420931738 752379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1420931865 705062 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.142 QUIT :Quit: bbl
< 1420931875 269002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you giving / a lower precedence is perfectly logical
< 1420931956 625241 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or giving juxtaposition a higher precedence than *
< 1420932016 800802 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice, on IRC, I treat 1/ab as ambiguous.
< 1420932284 396903 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekAfk
< 1420932933 440212 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heresy can now do recursive lambdas. 
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< 1420934969 129984 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does cluid still join the chat sometimes?
< 1420935036 528454 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask cluid do you still come to #esoteric?
< 1420935036 572025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1420935081 358497 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never think of lambdabot, sorry lb. Thanks, boily.
< 1420935264 680522 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420935276 460806 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to understand the bots, connect with them, feel them. and then there are the Joy of fungot.
< 1420935276 766403 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that sign is like, evil.'
< 1420935283 676317 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no it ain't.
< 1420935284 253285 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but provide their programs for free. in sdl wouldn't you have to restrict the quantity of os resources allocated ( fds, for example
< 1420935296 982268 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no, it again ain't.
< 1420935297 334219 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the only thing i do in mycology to load fingerprints for fnord it
< 1420935311 834294 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycological fingerprinting. interesting...
< 1420935335 579113 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do google a word with a bot again?
< 1420935354 469214 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or get the definition, I mean.
< 1420935361 450422 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define mycology
< 1420935363 316857 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to connect to socket 2. \  \ Looking up 127.0.0.1:3128 \ Making HTTP connection to 127.0.0.1:3128 \ Sending HTTP request. \ HTTP request sent; waiting for response. \ Alert!: Unexpected network read error; connection aborted. \ Can't Access `http://google.com/search?q=define:%6d%79%63%6f%6c%6f%67%79' \ Alert!: Unable to access document. \  \
< 1420935375 687800 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worth a shot.
< 1420935385 496509 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there was that one. it haven't been working for a loooong time.
< 1420935408 251202 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mycology
< 1420935409 264978 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycology? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1420935432 451635 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some definition of "get the definition"
< 1420935449 420277 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycology: the study of mushrooms and other funguses
< 1420935463 676370 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used a physical dictionary
< 1420935471 940839 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe that.
< 1420935476 540633 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't believe that.
< 1420935546 5115 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was also metasepia's ~duck...
< 1420935548 915124 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true. i used the oxford pocket school dictionary,
< 1420935718 470659 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am an avid user of physical books
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< 1420935745 232619 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: what is your opinion on new book smell?
< 1420935805 22829 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is delicious
< 1420936200 12622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google mycology
< 1420936200 934867 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycology
< 1420936200 978529 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Mycology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
< 1420936218 263753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn mycology
< 1420936219 699729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "mycology" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1420936219 777373 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycology
< 1420936219 820603 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: the branch of botany that studies fungi and fungus-caused
< 1420936219 820737 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :         diseases
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< 1420937675 157296 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ello.co/jarcane/post/NBUlE6Uez8fAaamoHryjRg
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< 1420941559 745053 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1420941624 549261 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have ended up in a Haskell meetup group
< 1420941643 696975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it was inevitable, really"
< 1420941670 44617 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not yet much of a group
< 1420941676 548826 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing as I am the second member
< 1420941687 344684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a semigroup?
< 1420941709 826130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to work on your identity hth
< 1420941751 395666 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. weren't you the one who mistakenly participated to some fetishist group some time ago?
< 1420941761 637595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fetish
< 1420941762 347306 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :372) <Gregor> oklopol: Why do you have so much experience with hoop-and-stick? :P  <oklopol> Gregor: my fetish: learning pointless skills \ 1124) <Taneb> kmc, I was trying to go to a sci-fi and fantasy society social, and I went to the wrong bar  <Taneb> Wound up at my university's fetish society  <Taneb> Didn't realise for an hour and a half
< 1420941770 226578 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan.
< 1420941779 635581 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, that is a thing that happened, yes
< 1420941788 665878 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm never going to live it down, either, am I?
< 1420941795 84965 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never ^^
< 1420941812 227535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be something to tell your grandchildren hth
< 1420941822 80604 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you're in easy travel distance of York, right?
< 1420941840 393223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be overstating it
< 1420941849 282306 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, the vikings managed it
< 1420941865 179047 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And run a pizza takeaway down the road from here!
< 1420941894 463499 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume all vikings came from your part of Norway
< 1420941920 216130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was a major population center
< 1420941936 735887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not as wrong as it _could_ be
< 1420941966 421051 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a pizza place near home. I should go there some day. they seem to have quite the hot sauce selection.
< 1420942010 157952 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds a lot better than Vikings'
< 1420942020 655901 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which really caters to the drunk student market
< 1420942095 565828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do they have a logo with horned helmets, that's the way you know they're _really_ bad
< 1420942114 203138 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1420942116 350981 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1420942118 586567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so
< 1420942130 70266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid wagner-esque posers
< 1420942162 620027 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vikingspizza.co.uk/
< 1420942185 137774 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh they have a variety of delicious cakes
< 1420942230 696535 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at the menu, a variety of precisely two delicious cakes
< 1420942241 547507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a plurality!
< 1420942363 917109 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_(grammatical_number)
< 1420942566 173127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :details, details
< 1420942626 976992 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, goodnight I guess
< 1420942675 470218 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonne nuitaneb!
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< 1420944588 803000 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :vikings with horns are better than real vikings. 
< 1420944633 196192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits quintopia with the saucepan ===\__/
< 1420944641 478961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S BETTER THAN AN AXE
< 1420944688 209020 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1420944718 803319 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1420944723 591125 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardto
< 1420944737 357087 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric : to fry an egg on a battle axe
< 1420944770 487194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in norwegian climate
< 1420944797 495198 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats it like up theree
< 1420944808 892353 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now
< 1420944812 952536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cold and stormy hth
< 1420944824 583657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the wind may have eased
< 1420944829 830856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1420944830 288625 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result.
< 1420944834 331763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1420944847 61544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we appear to be out of weather
< 1420944865 170323 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the temp, with windchill?
< 1420944879 911253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should i know
< 1420944969 305537 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you have a better chance of knowing than I, on account of proximity
< 1420945023 222889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly i do not have a thermometer
< 1420945056 171796 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it freezing?
< 1420945060 332006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the weather, anyway.  i'm not sure where my fever thermometer went during the move.
< 1420945065 949710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1420945104 719982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this website claims -5 degrees celsius
< 1420945135 561181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the forecast
< 1420945138 240420 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fever? :/
< 1420945149 90089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :weather hth
< 1420945218 37470 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are under it
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< 1420948880 384289 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have idea I could add other kind of Auras that are combined with other types too, in Magic: the Gathering cards.
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< 1420950236 737299 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1420952186 334377 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I get a random User: page?
< 1420952192 69534 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or all users
< 1420952195 83398 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with pages
< 1420952578 919248 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&username=&group=&editsOnly=1&limit=50 has too many spammers in t
< 1420952641 417887 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1420953205 821268 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I do my own SQL query on the site?
< 1420953215 58497 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to find users who have a user page and created at least 2 pages
< 1420953621 825780 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:BCompton nice batleships in befunge
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< 1420954557 377677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so, unless you download it and then convert it into SQL or to use a virtual table
< 1420954569 476010 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, thanks anyway
< 1420956373 176964 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iokywjpqckwsjgrm JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420957977 991459 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Superputin is a comic that exists.
< 1420957978 898029 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O
< 1420959138 863726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented a "remote virtual table protocol" in order to implement SQLite virtual tables on an internet server.
< 1420959160 462379 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool!@
< 1420959233 859217 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I have not written an implementation of either the server or the client though.
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< 1420962394 770009 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitchs: thanks for all the help on anagol btw (you're finding all those easy problems that I'm submitting Haskell solutions for)
< 1420962409 517617 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1420962458 574404 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad to see henkma getting a bit of comeuppance
< 1420962476 980654 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really surprised about http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Stagger+Encode+FIXED
< 1420962571 797545 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mainly because I don't think I did anything special. But the identical statistics are a nice touch.)
< 1420962662 950247 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course there are a number of problems that I've tried but where henkma still beats me. I'm evil and not submitting those.
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< 1420968742 512314 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iokywjpqckwsjgrm PRIVMSG #esoteric :dissapears into the elemental demiplane of Ranch Dressing
< 1420969580 701192 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning
< 1420969722 510553 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, I saw 2 magpies this morning
< 1420969857 37176 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust currently has an easter egg that bloats output size
< 1420970093 593426 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google rust easter egg
< 1420970094 418523 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTSaNbUgqlo
< 1420970101 721456 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's the wrong one...
< 1420970408 49253 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/13871
< 1420970570 490215 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes. Silly...
< 1420970766 16159 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ghc
< 1420970766 150977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :PArse error (possibly incorrect indentation)
< 1420970772 98309 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ghc
< 1420970772 141504 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't combine named fields with locally-quantified type variables or context
< 1420970780 707992 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ghc
< 1420970780 751267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scavenge_stack: weird activation record found on stack
< 1420970794 446164 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I was hoping for a more snarky one (ghc has a couple)
< 1420970811 574766 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no lengthy quotes though)
< 1420970858 630234 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ghc
< 1420970858 710649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Qualified name in function definition
< 1420970868 468747 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ghc
< 1420970868 511964 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Use -fcontext-stack20 to increase stack size to (e.g.) 20
< 1420970889 208176 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ghc cunning
< 1420970889 251383 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: even with cunning newtype deriving the newtype is recursive
< 1420970915 191969 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ghc interest
< 1420970915 235233 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Interesting!  A join var that isn't let-no-escaped
< 1420970957 472757 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ghc kind
< 1420970957 527238 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Kinds don't match in type application
< 1420970963 849846 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ghc invent
< 1420970963 893498 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Urk! Inventing strangely-kinded void TyCon: :t{tc a5gUj} (* -> *) -> * -> *
< 1420971007 21809 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ghc \!
< 1420971007 91730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Interesting!  A join var that isn't let-no-escaped
< 1420971010 236373 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ghc \!
< 1420971010 279644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Urk! Inventing strangely-kinded void TyCon: ZCt{tc a2AN} (* -> *) -> * -> *
< 1420971013 176579 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ghc \!
< 1420971013 219818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: yi-static: internal error: TSO object entered!
< 1420971019 577902 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ghc \!
< 1420971019 657795 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: ARGH! Jump uses %esi or %edi with -monly-2-regs
< 1420971028 263296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When making up the "proper" rules of Aberration Hater Card Game I want to design it properly by writing the rules as a literate computer program, rather than doing what Magic: the Gathering and other similar card games do, which results in some mistakes.
< 1420971070 269076 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you use an existing language, or create a new language for describing card effects?
< 1420971098 307184 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I support that
< 1420971114 111663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it may be necessary to make up a new one. I am not completely sure, but it seems like it would help.
< 1420971196 945650 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use an existing language with some domain-specific library you write
< 1420971216 283280 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lots of restrictions on what the card and rules part of the program is allowed to do
< 1420971234 305718 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, well, if you write it, you decide on what's the most convenient for you
< 1420971468 309884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making up new cards with new effects should not generally require changing the program for the game rules. There needs to be triggers too, as well as replacement effects supported, etc.
< 1420971628 546395 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, that's the theory. for most cards like Kin-Tree Warden it's certainly true. but experience seems to show that every set has a dozen of cards or some mechanics that do require changing the base rules to support them.
< 1420971723 188033 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, although sometimes it is only adding keyword abilities.
< 1420971742 626688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you give examples?
< 1420972031 980421 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in some sets maybe. but I think if you never have to modify the core rules (in compatible ways that don't affect games with only old cards) then you're probably not doing innovative sets enough
< 1420972086 999713 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Very often, new cards require you to track state or triggers that you didn't have to track before, which I think usually requires you to modify the core implementation.
< 1420972118 25474 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Also, often there are new kinds of static effects affecting things that couldn't be changed so far, so you have to add new checks in existing routines.
< 1420972126 105513 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :New hooks and the like.
< 1420972491 118597 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic has some crazy interactions. There are like five cards plus the commander rules that make lands produce colorless mana instead of some color, while keeping any restrictions on spending that mana. And then there's Celestial Dawn which makes you spend mana as if it was a different color, while still keeping its other restrictions.
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< 1420972996 958608 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But then, maybe the game you're making is very different from M:tG. I can't tell because I'm not familiar with other collectible card games.
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< 1420973170 113512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am talking about designing the programming language so that it can allow you to not have to deal with changing the rules to track new state/triggers/effects in most cases; the compiler would automatically add these checks.
< 1420973182 45332 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :101.1 sounds fun to implement
< 1420973315 23835 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sounds like difficult, but ok, good luck
< 1420973366 938729 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell us if you have success.
< 1420973372 880189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :101.1 consists of two parts. The first part, I would hope designing the programming language so that you can very easily state such a rule. For the second part (about conceding), it would be part of the host program instead; the rules would only mention it as what is effectively a comment (since it is a literate program, the main text with no corresponding program code).
< 1420973536 708584 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( "Challenge Death", {U}{U}{U}{U}{U}{U}, Enchantment. If you would lose the game, the game becomes governed by the FIDE Laws of Chess instead. A game of chess is placed under rapid time controls, and the winner of that chess game becomes the winner of the game. In case of a draw, you lose. )
< 1420973559 237056 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: actually, "can concede any time" has to be sort of handled by both the host program and the rules. the rules have to handle how the game state changes in multiplayer when someone concedes (in two-player you don't have to track the game state after conceding anymore). the tournament or floor rules part has to handle conceding so a player can leave any time, and in that case he definitely loses, even if the rules part is buggy and says he doesn't.
< 1420973644 41543 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Actually, I realized that in a game with more than two players that is necessary.
< 1420973674 29938 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: who plays white in chess? it's important because the white player is flavored by chess itself, but the black player is slightly flavored by M:tG because his pieces are more difficult to remove because there's lots of spot removal for non-black like Doom Blade.
< 1420973712 436888 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the effect 101.1 has on the rules part is that the rules have to support players getting removed _any_ time, even in the middle of crazy effects.
< 1420973714 109626 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly you play pairs of games until the score becomes uneven
< 1420973726 741493 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hmm, good question.
< 1420973741 614752 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And has to support multiple player leaving the game in rapid succession too of course.
< 1420973754 156436 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pictured the challenger would get the white pieces (but draw disadvantage)
< 1420973819 218886 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: all players losing an MtG game is a possible outcome, isn't it?
< 1420973827 570822 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: in Casey and Andy webcomics, when Quantum Cop challenged Death, Quantum Cop got white
< 1420973834 972825 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes. it's called a draw.
< 1420973843 820135 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it can happen even without conceding.
< 1420973852 406523 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's just that the game is balanced so that it rarely happens,
< 1420973862 652715 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because draws make tournaments take more real time
< 1420973899 407774 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah. but two players conceding the game simultaneously is also unlikely to happen in practice :)
< 1420973899 589796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, exactly that, if more than two players. (However, in some formats the game always ends when conceding even if more than two players, for example Two Headed Giant.)
< 1420973908 631324 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so I don't see that as a particular problem.
< 1420973908 985996 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: The goal is sort of similar to the problem in football where teams get too defensive and so there are too many draws and tie breakers, which is bad for spectators.
< 1420973925 279524 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: however, M:tG has never had that problem seriously I think
< 1420973937 745347 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: "unlikely to happen in practice" -- do you know what channel you are?
< 1420973956 640902 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I know.
< 1420973964 846320 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: 2HG doesn't matter, because the rules say if a player concedes his whole team is removed from the game, so it's sort of like single player
< 1420973981 634670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, that's what you said
< 1420973982 240156 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yse
< 1420974013 213895 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm just assuming that one of the players involved is not on this channel but geniunely interested in winning :P
< 1420974099 172787 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: in theory, multiple players conceding in quick succession can handle in some kinds of cheating, when the judge hands out game loss for the violation to multiple players who cheat together, but as such multipleyer games don't happen in tournaments it's probably not a common occurrance
< 1420974136 757948 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what happens if someone is excluded from the tournament for cheating during a draft? how can the draft continue?
< 1420974138 958407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For writing the cards themself, the same programming language is probably used, but instead of literate programming, natural language programming with user-defined templates, is used. It isn't quite natural language though, because it also includes markup, formatting, explicit code, etc. For example, text in square brackets might be treated as a comment when compiling, but still rendered (although without the brackets).
< 1420974196 362516 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what happens if someone concedes and leaves the table (for urgent matters like his child is ill) during a draft (without cheating)?
< 1420974226 150547 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes.
< 1420974270 998265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parentheses might do the same but the parentheses are rendered and the text is italicized in such a case. Perhaps there might be formatting codes with \ to change the rendering, and maybe [+ ... +] or other delimiters might be used to include explicit code which is not rendered at all. For int-e's example, a lot of explicit code would be used, since you would put in all the rules of chess, although the card would just say "chess" so put "chess" in 
< 1420974332 390333 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: IMO that chess card is an un-card, so it doesn't need rules support
< 1420974358 487732 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other than an informal FAQ)
< 1420974526 257746 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you would certainly be right, but still, I am saying how it would be done if you wanted it to be a real card (although of course the user interface would be strange in such a case, not like a normal chess game, if playing by computer with a host program that doesn't have the interface for this card explicitly programmed in).
< 1420974596 447799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it isn't a card you would actually make except as a un-card, but it hasn't to do with hypothetical things I am saying.
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< 1420974839 309334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To give an example of how this "explicit code" becomes used, int-e's card might be typed as follows:   If you would lose the game, [+ ... +] [the game becomes governed by the FIDE Laws of Chess] instead. [...]    except that you wouldn't actually type "..." but instead the actual explicit codes and comment texts, respectively.
< 1420974930 182437 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chess pieces are tokens, not cards, right? they're not wished into your game so you don't get to keep them if you chess inside a Saharazad subgame
< 1420975100 537879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say they are neither; the program inside the [+ ... +] would just provide a list of choices to the player, update its internal variables, and then provide choices to the other player, and so on. You wouldn't actually be able to program in the time controls in this way, so it still is a Un-card. But you could still implement the rules of chess with this!
< 1420975153 1914 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although like I explained earlier, it also wouldn't display the chess board if played on a computer program which implements the "generic" rules.)
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< 1420976414 386195 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, one thing too about what I am thinking of, which is that if you add new cards, although you probably won't have to modify the rules, you would have to recomple them.
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< 1420979850 594302 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://yosefk.com/blog/my-history-with-forth-stack-machines.html
< 1420980300 211583 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are Lovecraft quotes in the Rust standard library: https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/blob/master/src/libstd/rt/util.rs
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< 1420980615 865712 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: okay... what is the primary source for the latter information? reddit? you're the second one to bring it up today :P
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< 1420981393 412818 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose I activate Deathrite Shaman's first ability to gain mana, keeping priority, then I cast Cytoshape to make that creature a copy of an animated Forest, and then resolve the activated ability. Can I spend the mana it produces to pay part of the mana cost for casting an Imperiosaur?
< 1420981749 499280 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: someone filed an issue about it and it made the front page of HN.
< 1420981773 108719 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: This ruling about Cytoshape seems relevant: "This effect can cause the target to stop being a creature. For example, if it becomes a copy of an animated Blinkmoth Nexus, the printed wording will be copied and it will become an unanimated Blinkmoth Nexus."
< 1420981878 285885 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: I see. It's funny because the issue is 7 months old...
< 1420981911 62091 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still in too, they kept it, and have rejected at least one pull request to remove it.
< 1420981966 84095 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least #20035 is not rejected yet.
< 1420981967 667671 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sure, the permanent certainly becomes a basic land
< 1420982009 182071 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: my question is what Imperiosaur really checks: whether the permanent was a basic land when I activated the ability, or when the mana actually gets added to my pool (which is when the ability resolves)
< 1420982016 473364 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: then I would assume that its mana works for the Imperiosaur. (That's a funny ability though - I didn't know that mana is tracked to its origins.)
< 1420982049 550180 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you could also imagine this backwards but that's even crazier, with an animated basic land first gaining Deathrite Shaman's ability using Kraj, then becoming a copy of something other than a basic land
< 1420982054 807253 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ability. it's a restriction...
< 1420982058 195033 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should have the opposit result
< 1420982077 802776 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, tracking the mana is exactly what has brought Imperiosaur to my mind:
< 1420982108 704815 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if you implement Imperiosaur the first time, do you imagine you could do that without having to modify the core rules program? 
< 1420982143 133544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: before Imperiosaur, there were effects that produced mana with restrictions, but those restrictions were given when the mana was _produced_, not when it was consumed
< 1420982163 856589 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think even Alpha has such a restricted mana producer
< 1420982228 692662 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think I have trouble resolving "that" and "it" in what you wrote initially.
< 1420982326 421877 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but your answer may simply be that mana abilities don't use the stack.
< 1420982514 590300 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've seen that sooner, but hey, I have never more than dabbled in MtG (I don't even have cards of my own) and that's been 8 to 5 years ago...
< 1420982564 266166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously I have retained some interest in the rules (because they're crazy...).
< 1420982696 172667 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the other thing is that the mana producer is the Deathrite Shaman, not the land that it's removing from the game.
< 1420982742 844415 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so all in all I don't know what you tried to do there, except that I suspect that it didn't work.
< 1420982777 409443 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever likes english with a REAL hard german accent watch from 50:00: Cyber Necromancy - Reverse Engineering Dead Proto…: http://youtu.be/fIAKzzlJ67w
< 1420983150 11879 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zis is vat happens if you organise a congress in Germany...
< 1420983182 272175 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there ARE german people capable of pronouncing english sentences
< 1420983184 808773 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ...
< 1420983185 651648 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: is it a good talk?
< 1420983270 162571 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay, but i thought it would be more technical
< 1420983294 682787 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just "oh look, we have repeating patterns. turns out, it is xor"
< 1420983348 958837 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Ok, I tried parsing that again, and decided that "that creature" is the Shaman. In which case, the mana ability resolves immediately (since it doesn't go onto the stack) and there's no way to cast Cytoshape in the meantime.
< 1420983413 488284 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: also to be fair: english is a HORRIBLE language in regards of pronounciation
< 1420983432 418624 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Oh don't get me started.
< 1420983442 499857 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: tough, tought, though, through; mature, nature
< 1420983451 698357 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, I'm *still* upset about "infinite" versus "finite".
< 1420983462 163449 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1420983463 229730 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought?
< 1420983473 833022 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or taught...
< 1420983480 896670 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that was my fault
< 1420983492 232119 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i had taught in mind
< 1420983504 565435 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but finite vs infinite is a nice example
< 1420983541 999773 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fainaite infinit
< 1420983556 500180 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :read, read, read
< 1420983574 227370 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ready
< 1420983607 864995 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually i refered to ghoti, but i do think that finite/infinite is even better
< 1420983621 342372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghoti isn't actually a word.
< 1420983624 394097 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solution is sim ple
< 1420983632 82051 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: exactly
< 1420983644 684409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make up ridiculous fake things too :p
< 1420983655 241221 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :write english with chinese characters
< 1420983665 241274 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: all it says is that you have no real way of telling how to pronounce stuff you've never heard
< 1420983672 306096 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then spelling is based on meaning, and prnounciation can go hang
< 1420983675 762782 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may make good guesses
< 1420983679 27368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: eh
< 1420983687 439245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghoti is like taking a bunch of things out of context and then shoving them together
< 1420983690 463848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of ridiculous.
< 1420983703 843109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course devoid of any kind of contextual patterns and specifically picking out odd things you can make something weird.
< 1420983725 659998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like. it's a funny joke but it doesn't really make much of a point, other than the obvious one that "english pronunciation is not simple and systematic"
< 1420983740 249394 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is: why is the context capable of making an o sound like an i
< 1420983740 490576 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wel wood yoo perfer if ai roht laik dhis?
< 1420983749 728345 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just shouldn't be possible
< 1420983796 878173 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"women" is one place where o sounds like i
< 1420983808 826953 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wimmin
< 1420983817 634502 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but WHY?
< 1420983842 709913 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: have you seen http://www.mipmip.org/tidbits/pronunciation.shtml ?
< 1420983843 526405 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because spoken language changed and spelling didn't
< 1420983896 995216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: may I recommend lojban?
< 1420983932 312370 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :enyway, wee kan djust rait laik dhis fruhm nau awn
< 1420983943 280086 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'd learn either that or esperanto if i'd actually have somewhere to speak it
< 1420983974 376504 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :japan had a spelling reform in '49 that was successful
< 1420983990 256188 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old spellings were FUBAR
< 1420984126 444064 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :soree, ai ment: djapan had a speling r'form in '49 dhat was suksesf'l. thee old spelingz wrr foobar   
< 1420984191 664394 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, the fact that 'ee' is pronounced like japanese イ is a whole other problem
< 1420984439 877203 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SHIFTY CHICKEN
< 1420984939 711479 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, the ability doesn't resolve immediately, because it's not a mana ability, because it's targetted. that's why I chose Deathrite Shaman in particular, being one of the very few cards having such an ability.
< 1420985026 779758 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :English has ample examples.
< 1420985187 344930 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: yes, "finite" and "infiniite" is one of those things. there's the similar "sign" and "signal", and there's "cycle" and "bicycle". probably half of these is explained by stress shift.
< 1420985231 371898 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cycle and bicycle got me sometimes
< 1420985241 193123 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"signal" still has the stress on the first syllable I believe, so stress shift can't explain that
< 1420985248 259982 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was pretty unsure on how to write bicycle as a child
< 1420985273 814763 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i thought "hey, if there were cycle at the end, it would sound like it hat, wouldn't it?"
< 1420985276 803731 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ...
< 1420985322 953545 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I'm unsure how to write many of the words with "y" used as a vowel in them. I have a handy list
< 1420985330 543672 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cohammer and bisickle
< 1420985342 151045 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: :D
< 1420985364 680992 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, a bisickle would be a tractor for reaping
< 1420985405 239692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "number" versus all the words start with "numer-" also have crazy pronunciation differences
< 1420985438 640285 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here's my spelling help list of words with "y" as a vowel: hygiene, etymology, mysterious, Odyssey, myopia, carbohydrate
< 1420985480 848285 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a german: they are easy
< 1420985516 603362 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the y in all of them sounds more like ü than i
< 1420985608 600250 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420986110 826455 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Right, thanks. So there are three times the source might be checked: a) when activating the mana-producing ability b) when resolving said ability c) when actually spending the mana... of those, a) doesn't make much sense to me, but the other two are plausible.
< 1420986227 236921 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hmm, I didn't think of (c) as a possibility
< 1420987011 409942 :arjanb!8259ab0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.13 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420987097 762684 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420987320 275387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420987481 361454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Sgeo> Superputin is a comic that exists. <-- i don't think this is surprising to _anyone_ who's vaguely followed news about russia hth
< 1420987516 369584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my only questions is whether it's a comic worshiping him or one ridiculing him
< 1420987519 325952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-s
< 1420987646 993533 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or both
< 1420987774 783170 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1420988055 737256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell cluid https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:RandomInCategory
< 1420988055 818714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1420988077 779800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell cluid oops misread
< 1420988077 862801 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1420988168 890628 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I survived henkma's attack on Kimariji :)
< 1420988172 319841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell cluid no random, but https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=2
< 1420988172 365965 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1420988225 405378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i sort of suspected you would since it took him so long to submit
< 1420988252 691584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although his statistics are quite different...
< 1420988389 544242 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: _ isn't counted as a letter, for example
< 1420988455 821748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1420988530 928673 :S1!~S1@p4FF92BE2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420988681 404228 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, I'd have to think about matching henkma's statistics. so much whitespace...
< 1420988769 114967 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that wasn't so hard.
< 1420988807 793849 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could get up to 40 alphanums, and 7 whitespace.
< 1420988842 433049 :nortti_!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420988871 814944 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420988915 594463 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1420988921 129593 :nortti_!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1420988938 333993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: in which problem?
< 1420988942 387213 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw, http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Red+Balloon+Locations is a mystery to me. (63 is easy)
< 1420988947 502063 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Kimariji
< 1420988952 933963 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1420988967 214202 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420988997 953089 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice problem
< 1420989003 931044 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Kimariji
< 1420989495 592773 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420990027 282144 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1420990864 122009 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1420991234 322357 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1420992208 464362 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi b_jonas 
< 1420992226 143632 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you tell me a bit about Endo ICFP problem?
< 1420992853 455841 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1420992883 979769 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: um, what do you want to know. have you found the link to the blog and task specs of the ICFP contest that year?
< 1420992905 970286 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there esolangs inside it
< 1420992924 933023 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just saw that you have to change a picture to get close to a target picture
< 1420992933 536934 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i guess its generated by some code you edit
< 1420992946 117874 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, the esolangs in it are the Fuun RNA and Fuun DNA, custom-made for that contest. That might count as one or two esoteric languages.
< 1420992959 576845 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're specified right in the task specs. 
< 1420992965 402146 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :sory if you dont want to talk about it I can stop bugging you
< 1420992992 683186 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends, have I put link to the contest webpage?
< 1420993009 101820 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know
< 1420993020 916204 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about that task other than what's on the contest blog and task specs, plus a few descriptions I've read by teams participating
< 1420993023 577617 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its in your todo list on wiki user page
< 1420993031 153465 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420993046 176421 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that links to the contest homepage, from which it's easy to find the task spec http://save-endo.cs.uu.nl/Endo.pdf
< 1420993056 719592 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be enough links for a stub
< 1420993222 4203 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: basically the DNA is a custom string-substitution based self-modifying language 
< 1420993253 370581 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it sounds interesting!
< 1420993254 818904 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what the program eventually evolves to is ran as Fuun RNA which is a strange very limited pixel-based drawing language
< 1420993313 18722 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1420993775 688051 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arcanesentiment.blogspot.fi/2015/01/if-scheme-were-like-scheme.html
< 1420993820 749813 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that your blog/
< 1420993842 577395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it ins't
< 1420993844 97613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*isn't
< 1420993851 98905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is then I once emailed J_Arcane
< 1420993859 663081 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nay.
< 1420993865 288186 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tis merely a coincidence.
< 1420993866 155193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jarcanesentiment
< 1420993888 927791 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my blog is http://jarcane.github.io/
< 1420993933 885668 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t toRational
< 1420993934 638358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real a => a -> Rational
< 1420993963 758679 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Floating-point numbers would be called “inexact rationals”. Their constructor would take a numerator and denominator, just like exact rationals" <-- this felt eerily familiar
< 1420993979 685343 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fromRational
< 1420993980 611708 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fractional a => Rational -> a
< 1420993984 709374 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 1e100
< 1420993985 532194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fractional a => a
< 1420993998 156929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that post hurts because it kind of captures exactly what's sad about scheme
< 1420994001 682038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mutable numbers
< 1420994007 560488 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.552134e-10 :: Rational
< 1420994009 32449 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 776067 % 5000000000000000
< 1420994062 365230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1e10000 :: Rational
< 1420994063 861452 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000...
< 1420994400 410139 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm!
< 1420994433 271459 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow J_Arcane,  so Heresy is hitting the bigtime
< 1420994464 379693 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler produces that as a literal, ouch.
< 1420994495 964791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i recall that could crash the compiler once, don't know if they fixed it
< 1420994543 159602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh iirc even if you used it for a Double
< 1420994544 820369 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying... 1e1000000 :: Rational gobbles up lots of memory...
< 1420994551 671792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1e100000000 :: Double
< 1420994556 485285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1420994559 777630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1420994559 824280 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: que?
< 1420994630 736169 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you put a picture into github commits?
< 1420994681 683399 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :github has emoji support of a kind.
< 1420994694 804982 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that I don't think you can.
< 1420994726 60776 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, I can use emoji in my commits now
< 1420994731 280002 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.emoji-cheat-sheet.com/
< 1420994823 804440 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, I'm preaching that one should have a swap partition so much ... but fail to follow my own advice... one reboot later...
< 1420994851 321356 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I should've killed ghc when it reached 6GB (of 8GB RAM))
< 1420994906 828037 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Gotta go for now
< 1420994931 679218 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reason for the swap partition is that one wants to give the kernel a chance to swap out *data* instead of mmap-ed program code when memory becomes exhausted...)
< 1420995089 645958 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, added some swap.
< 1420995221 863135 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1420995226 304930 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 100 pi
< 1420995227 758114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062...
< 1420995249 203321 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 101 pi
< 1420995250 453952 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062...
< 1420995270 909147 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it in privmsg to lambdabot
< 1420995272 11027 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll get more digits in /msg
< 1420995289 603514 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane, It is also now the most well-recieved project I’ve ever released, netting 18 stars on Github, almost 3,000 vistors to the repo, and a whole day near the top of Hacker News’ front page.
< 1420995385 274438 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1420995562 156319 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1420995611 329739 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1420995936 998718 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane, what do you want to self host it for and what woudl that mean
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< 1420996880 940697 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: well, I'm not necessarily set on actually self-hosting Heresy, but a direct implementation as opposed to existing as a macro layer would give me a lot more control over things.
< 1420996913 134221 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it stands, the more 'different' something is from how Racket works, the more down the rabbit-hole of obscure macro transformers and other insanity you have to go.
< 1420997443 908930 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1420999359 205534 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Velato14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41668&oldid=40672 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (-184) 10/* External resources */ removed dead link
< 1420999396 469423 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: showcereal  
< 1420999514 915630 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 10 pi
< 1420999516 627749 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "3.1415926536"
< 1420999519 866778 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1420999525 516849 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why i seem to see so many esolangs on .net.
< 1420999562 563939 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :.net the environment or .net the TLD?
< 1420999573 344693 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former
< 1421000126 91832 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, better than Java.
< 1421000151 144008 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :exacly
< 1421000174 180931 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java is C++++ and C# is C++++++
< 1421000176 908084 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if only because the .net runtime developers could learn from the jvm's developers' mistakes)
< 1421000245 280872 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is this quote "java is in many aspects c++--"
< 1421000246 535531 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And evolution; I mean, when the java bytecode was designed, I don't think anybody expected JIT compilation. If they had I bet the bytecode would look different.
< 1421000279 779231 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :.net otoh was designed very much with JIT compilation in mind.
< 1421000820 309663 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekAfk
< 1421001107 294901 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1421001283 703716 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, weren't the first few iterations of the JVM bytecode interpreters?
< 1421001916 283376 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1421002687 548430 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc the jvm spec claims the bytecode is designed to be input to a compiler, but maybe the plan was install-time compilation rather than JIT
< 1421002820 44824 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, JIT didn't come until HotSpot IIRC.
< 1421002831 872176 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Early Java made Python look like C. :P
< 1421002972 789800 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did python have JIT when Java came out?
< 1421002973 667678 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am still baffled as to how it gained any serious support at all, and yet somehow it seemed to be an unstoppable force, like some looming inevitable task we'd just have to accept anyway. Java is the dirty catbox of programming languages.
< 1421003011 185402 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sun had a god damned impressive marketing effort.
< 1421003029 818739 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Java > C++
< 1421003046 225437 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what other OOP languages were popular when Java came out
< 1421003060 184834 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if C++ was the only good competitor I totally get why Java got so popular
< 1421003063 867761 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it came at just the right time, when the common OS was suddenly becoming Microsoft "we don't even support C well" Windows.
< 1421003068 851767 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares about oop
< 1421003082 895995 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people care
< 1421003259 686573 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1421003269 580641 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: CPython *still* doesn't have JIT I don't think. It's just that Java was that slow in those days. I think partly why it took off more in business than in consumer applications was that it was unbearably slow on consumer hardware.
< 1421003310 819319 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And businesses were often coming up from COBOL on mainframes.
< 1421003345 289792 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that context it doesn't even matter if it's fast or not -- the programs are really simple, but they ran on stupidly expensive platforms.
< 1421003462 536348 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: in the late 90s, OOP was going to save us all.
< 1421003487 243847 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did pretty stupid stuff that time
< 1421003670 441718 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was also originally an attempt an making AI.
< 1421003676 932870 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*at making
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< 1421004027 569377 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that's what Lisp was for
< 1421004039 726075 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not prolog?
< 1421004092 781892 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not OOP so much as objects.
< 1421004112 80878 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more rust
< 1421004158 98017 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just the first language mentioned in the Wikipedia article on OOP mentions "objects" in computer programming goes back to Lisp.
< 1421004306 210054 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like OOP
< 1421004318 537879 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works when it works and doesn't when it doesn't.
< 1421004332 924786 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1421004342 389794 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by works I mean fits the problem at hand
< 1421004365 974102 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOP is good, but only if you understand that OOP doesn't just mean a programming language that looks like SVO grammar
< 1421004375 972075 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421004391 854966 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what many people seem to think it is
< 1421004436 666144 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1421004458 608936 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait people actually think that?
< 1421004461 925119 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1421004491 426047 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a great many concepts tend to be tied to a particular syntax :/
< 1421004535 988825 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like functional programming
< 1421004555 164643 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, lambda calculus :p
< 1421004565 615183 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people think functional programming = lisp 
< 1421004574 31194 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1421004588 636882 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: actually, besides lisp, can you name another language where method invocation doesn't look that way?
< 1421004613 193640 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C
< 1421004664 900886 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fputs("hello, world\n",f)
< 1421004680 256731 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :VOS
< 1421004682 579631 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF
< 1421004687 867316 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh.
< 1421004720 161074 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, is there object-oriented esolanga?
< 1421004729 123977 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: huh?
< 1421004730 155185 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ga/gs/
< 1421004749 940516 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are
< 1421004780 988904 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "a method invocation that looks that way"?
< 1421004799 691934 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :file.print(string) like that
< 1421004814 349820 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :obj.method(arg)
< 1421004821 489475 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should it look different?
< 1421004822 555313 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say racket but that'd be cheating
< 1421004838 119890 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to lisp (method obj args)
< 1421004842 297043 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Ok, I meant a language that claims to support OO (rather than allowing to implement OO because there really isn't much to it, conceptually, just some function pointers...)
< 1421004866 11419 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheese++
< 1421004866 613474 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: "that way" = SVO.
< 1421004900 149698 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I tried implementing a simple scripting language some time ago.
< 1421004916 878409 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the results: a weird language that's a cross between Ruby and C-style languages
< 1421004916 921785 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that C puts the FILE* argument last trips me up a lot...
< 1421004919 41328 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/TieSoul/cotton-lang
< 1421004931 644747 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Heresy it's either (send obj field ...) or just ((object field) ...) But Heresy is weird.
< 1421004932 340832 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HQ9+ü
< 1421004935 119511 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HQ9++
< 1421004938 163637 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like SOV
< 1421004961 675052 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously don't use cotton
< 1421004965 44141 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bad
< 1421004970 394289 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and very very very slow
< 1421004985 718047 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's an interpreted language interpreted in Ruby. What do you expect
< 1421004999 218754 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was gonna say, that's what I would expect.
< 1421005038 509824 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has OOP without inheritance
< 1421005041 544281 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just bad
< 1421005088 451959 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heresy's objects are immutable.
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< 1421005106 16540 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're basically just structs that can take methods and return copies of themselves.
< 1421005113 301894 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey crazy
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< 1421005268 529101 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have proper inheritance either, because they're immutable: you can define Foo with three fields, and you can make a copy of Foo, but it'll always have those same three fields; you can't make Bar that's a Foo with 2 extra fields, for instance.
< 1421005299 269984 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could however probably expand it easily enough to support that behavior though.
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< 1421005421 648655 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi TieSoul
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< 1421005910 499639 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think classes are the bad idea in OO
< 1421005980 590124 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead there should be interfaces,
< 1421006110 439230 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and creator functions
< 1421006116 476433 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes you're only ever going to have one class implementing an interface.
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< 1421006276 790687 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :classes, as a syntax element, tie together interface and implementation
< 1421006391 373111 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the distinction between members and methods is a bad idea
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< 1421006412 497604 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell style type classes rock
< 1421006425 797580 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C void pointers at least help by disabling public members
< 1421006465 111411 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny how void* is so encapsulated
< 1421006585 828621 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is OSV good?
< 1421006633 993281 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not used by ANY natural language
< 1421006652 916875 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chair man sits
< 1421006682 509928 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i'm doing that
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< 1421006757 63578 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: stack-based object-oriented
< 1421006782 882273 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kevo
< 1421006901 887844 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne PRIVMSG #esoteric :glass!
< 1421006905 553003 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I'm copying files to another user with rsync -e "sudo -u"
< 1421006927 169059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-u" looks like a weird emoticon
< 1421006957 493568 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what, like a horse or something?
< 1421006982 572475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, let's go with that
< 1421007107 447760 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`,u,"-
< 1421007108 66952 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ,u,"-: not found
< 1421007488 524430 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, heh nice
< 1421007569 16326 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: http://docs.factorcode.org/content/article-objects.html
< 1421007672 538131 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is moving right? Probably explains why I haven't seen him for a few days
< 1421007730 155982 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would do it.
< 1421007861 111248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he moved days ago I think
< 1421008031 27831 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay, still takes some time to settle in I guess. He hasn't replied to my lambdabot message to him
< 1421008052 649601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, he's talked since moving.
< 1421008090 189253 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot? Or just "Hi, I didn't die during travel"?
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< 1421008874 808069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably less than usual.
< 1421008925 211915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'll be out of "travel mode" before we find a permanent place to live.
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< 1421009512 190166 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1421009530 256219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so did you see that panorama from over a week ago by now?
< 1421009551 660433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw it before I left, but then we were kind of getting ready to go.
< 1421009571 488495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1421009614 37429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it from a bird-watching tower? 
< 1421009662 127261 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes, not a bird watching tower though
< 1421009674 862172 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, not specifically for birds
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< 1421009798 72255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a similar one back in Otaniemi that's specifically for birds.
< 1421009808 548713 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1421009838 251673 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I also experimented with the photosphere thingy in the Google camera app, haven't uploaded those yet though
< 1421009977 941454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking of doing that. And I think you can these days also upload (suitable-projection) images into the Photo Sphere web thing.
< 1421009987 229518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, Dropbox-uploading makes this connection incredibly laggy.
< 1421009994 275800 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Photo Sphere web thing?
< 1421010017 343244 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1421010031 23692 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I wasn't too impressed with it
< 1421010109 909204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I haven't tried the stitching app at all.
< 1421010129 267233 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOV?
< 1421010138 519003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the rest of the thing (the viewer and the "put it on Google Maps" and so on) is usable independently, you can stitch with Hugin and just upload.
< 1421010147 983853 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I'm scrolled up.
< 1421010155 565389 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the issue is that it doesn't do constant exposure, so if there is a high dynamic range it looks weird
< 1421010172 211279 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh and not good at handling parallax
< 1421010184 303887 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I know ORK is an object-oriented esolang.
< 1421010212 180839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: https://www.dropbox.com/l/sl3nqxnT5JBqZLdt0ZsOLu -- here are some birds I photographed alongside the River Thames today. And also one thing that's not strictly speaking a bird.
< 1421010261 654080 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that an amphibious *bus*?
< 1421010328 948654 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what camera and lens did you use for the birds? I found telelenses made it hard to find the bloody things and not having tele-lenses means you can't see them in the photos
< 1421010396 348420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a Canon EF-S 55-250mm thing.
< 1421010418 423261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically their cheapest tele thing.
< 1421010423 582486 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1421010548 236436 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway, what the heck is that non-bird?
< 1421010563 499375 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tourist thing I assume
< 1421010568 813212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's exactly what it looks like.
< 1421010578 483079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am amphibious tourist bus kind of thing.
< 1421010597 180834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen it drive around the streets, I've seen it in the river, and now I've seen it transition too.
< 1421010599 146594 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, it will just be like riding a boat, and then riding a car
< 1421010612 837766 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it just drives up the shore I assume?
< 1421010621 12938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1421010623 470706 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess loose sand could be an issue
< 1421010640 501059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a sloping road thing, I forget what the official name for it is.
< 1421010650 881792 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :A ramp?
< 1421010657 71709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but something more specific.
< 1421010669 990900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a sign saying what it is, and how it's for commercial use.
< 1421010689 207178 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a converted bus, a converted boat or purpose-built?
< 1421010714 451205 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a re-purposed old military thingy?
< 1421010717 635915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I don't know. Also, I don't know what it uses for propulsion when in water mode. Perhaps there's a propeller somewhere in the back.
< 1421010744 536341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also does a very very short loop in the river, I'm guessing it's not terribly practical.
< 1421010764 674165 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think amphibious cars are in general.
< 1421010767 935851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have at least two, because I've got photos with both a "Titania" (that one) and a "Miranda".
< 1421010802 331507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and apparently also a "Elizabeth", so at least three.
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< 1421010955 241928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they were banned from driving that thing into the river (rendering it doubly pointless) at some point, but I guess that ban was lifted.
< 1421010959 602016 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started reading up on amphibious vehicles
< 1421010969 5750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found this strange and wonderful thingy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw-propelled_vehicle
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< 1421011015 244433 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what to say
< 1421011065 221912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With the occupation of Norway by Nazi Germany in World War II, the quixotic Geoffrey Pyke --"  oh, Pyke again.
< 1421011098 284758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the guy with the aircraft carrier made out of ice (Project Habakkuk).
< 1421011134 170832 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1421011200 221014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habakkuk
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< 1421011293 475710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re the duck bus, "Each Duck seats up to 30 people and we have a fleet of 9 Ducks",
< 1421011355 738735 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is weird and wonderful
< 1421011426 755838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"“You need me on your staff,” the shabbily dressed man [Pyke] explained to Lord Mountbatten, “because I’m a man who thinks.”"
< 1421012307 744787 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Amfibiefiets_Amphibious_bicycle.jpg
< 1421012406 203526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen a modern thing like that in a bike blog.
< 1421012453 704075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not "like that" in that it'd be very similar in execution, only in concept.
< 1421012636 883013 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, this thing is primarily a boat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Iguana_29_plage.jpg
< 1421012646 718750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1421012842 771861 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this looks silly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Leopard_2A4_-_Turm.jpg
< 1421013028 330398 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is pretty strange as well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_tractor
< 1421013035 890891 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though this is perhaps stranger still: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brighton_and_Rottingdean_Seashore_Electric_Railway
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< 1421014274 872908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I was thinking about this kind of programming language to write rules of Aberration Hater Card Game, Pokemon Card, Magic: the Gathering, etc I would expect to resemble a kind of strongly-typed Lisp. Most data types, including a few built-in types such as ACTION and EVENT and CONDITION, are extensible by adding more constructors and/or fields; other extensions to the rules are also possible. Duplicate extensions are redundant.
< 1421014342 962268 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duplicate extensions are redundant. <-- that is a redundant statement
< 1421014381 217547 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean specifically that it isn't an error.
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< 1421015026 546400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Didn't I see that last one in a Agatha Christie thing? 
< 1421015051 480793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, it was the sea tractor, and it's even mentioned on the page.
< 1421015062 508568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Burgh Island sea tractor also appears as the method of transport between the mainland and the island in Evil Under the Sun (2001 film) TV series of ITV's Agatha Christie's Poirot."
< 1421015079 900709 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
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< 1421015767 559257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seeteufel
< 1421015814 145123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the linked-to http://web.archive.org/web/20110927182658/http://www.dataphone.se/~ms/ubootw/boats_type-seeteufel.htm since the wiki'ticle is not very good.
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< 1421017028 306110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<myname> why not prolog? <-- iiuc, during the first ai era, lisp was the language of choice in the us but prolog was the language of choice in europe
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< 1421017138 412070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time myname 
< 1421017138 931454 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for myname is Sun Jan 11 23:58:57 2015
< 1421017165 364453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dontaskdonttelllist
< 1421017166 128155 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dontaskdonttelllist: q​u​i​n​t​o​p​i​a​ c​o​p​p​r​o​ m​y​n​a​m​e​
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< 1421017237 7481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoila
< 1421017281 699971 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pari irigoerjan.
< 1421017366 552310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
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< 1421017428 767488 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Բարի իրիկուն may help you hth
< 1421017453 105708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1421017510 853109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like a very confusing alphabet, for the same reasons as tengwar...
< 1421017586 603414 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is very confusing, and it's non-featural on top of it.
< 1421017683 211419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, pari irigun gives far less hits than bari irikun
< 1421017705 280021 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421017719 291340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is west and which is east pronunciation again...
< 1421017764 747710 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pari irigun is West. GT is stuck on East. htah.
< 1421017775 140210 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come lambdabot knows my time?
< 1421017778 915521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh
< 1421017783 518116 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just ctcp stuff?
< 1421017792 741525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it sends a ctcp time request, i assume
< 1421017798 716406 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1421017799 604705 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421017817 675574 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually useful
< 1421017823 919479 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, is there any log for this channel that I can read?
< 1421017866 152646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :r0nk: the topic lists two of them hth
< 1421017874 376345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(codu has the best formatting)
< 1421017883 561587 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r0nk: you can also read the PDF. it has the Most Bestest Formatting.
< 1421017886 436632 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is one strange first question
< 1421017906 666238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure i've seen r0nk here before
< 1421017909 262152 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1421017909 513216 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no strange first question.
< 1421017912 895685 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1421017923 119909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome r0nk
< 1421017924 156267 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07r0nk: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04<http://esolangs.org/>. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09irc.dal.net.)
< 1421017931 687385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST IN CASE
< 1421017943 499344 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a debugger, logged onto this shell for the first time in a while, checked my freenode and someone told me that people were
< 1421017950 160942 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking about a tool I wrote
< 1421017956 856799 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1421017959 6435 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1421017961 120968 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :on here
< 1421017971 194227 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are the brainfuck debugger guy
< 1421017975 24102 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1421017982 637186 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :best title ever
< 1421017997 831481 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked the graph
< 1421018017 687253 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1421018069 97465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: btw i mean google hits not gt (although gt also suggests that transcription)
< 1421018071 916296 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will feel comfortable here, i guess
< 1421018204 95965 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take pride in creating valuable tools for the mastery of brainfuck
< 1421018258 558510 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a film that really pushes the format to the limit, doing things no other format could do
< 1421018272 514774 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like House of Leaves did for print and Homestuck did for webcomic-ish things
< 1421018515 788457 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1421018532 260629 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421018546 897587 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r0nk: now go for befunge
< 1421018553 60976 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge?
< 1421018582 372087 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Befunge
< 1421018600 745214 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :what graph? what debugger? new one?
< 1421018661 336932 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I made a debugger, here:
< 1421018705 44452 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/r0nk/ward
< 1421018712 425044 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gif shows pretty stuff
< 1421018745 267133 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :The state machine deal is randomly generated, so thats actually not really how i wanted it to look  :O
< 1421018851 540204 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooo befunge looks fun.
< 1421018906 487057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how fun is it?
< 1421018906 868268 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's pain to make it recursive when u can use a function
< 1421018919 653311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i suppose you're right about that.
< 1421018919 963904 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my programming languages class? they can't be bothered
< 1421019047 853741 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so the direction of the movement of the instruction pointer is changeable? sweet.
< 1421019050 170211 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what style is that?
< 1421019059 712439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1421019064 10293 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: sentient style.
< 1421019064 53669 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1421019125 83450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell TieSoul <TieSoul> btw, is there object-oriented esolanga? <-- glass and ork come to mind
< 1421019125 163986 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1421019148 159514 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ork is a sweet name for a language
< 1421019181 644483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1421019313 343190 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that one, i may never write anything in it, though
< 1421019372 243603 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421019409 235923 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks something like what english~ should be
< 1421019458 166287 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1421019467 274526 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ~english it was
< 1421019625 576148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oren <oren> it is not used by ANY natural language <-- i could have sworn i've read all orders are used somewhere, although maybe it's not interpreted that way nowadays
< 1421019625 619610 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1421019705 197980 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r0nk: thinking about it, with you graph drawing abilities you may be better suited for oedermdrome (no serious recommendation, it's kind of an inside joke)
< 1421019764 771053 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: eo, not oe hth
< 1421019777 296597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oren https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warao_language
< 1421019777 339707 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1421019807 815761 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1421019896 552604 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there no "beware of theoretical computer science" in the relcome?
< 1421019905 270485 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there should be
< 1421019924 955947 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the welcome should be in brainfuck
< 1421019942 719523 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be too long
< 1421019943 457193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: there are irc line length limits hth
< 1421019949 860476 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1421019959 123949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the color codes are included in those
< 1421019959 245548 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could write a version that would fit.
< 1421019970 700942 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt thaz
< 1421019983 711349 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :challenge accepted
< 1421020026 235371 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r0nk: how'd you make that graph thing? is it ncurses?
< 1421020055 431778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :r0nk: one of the purposes of the welcome is to hint to certain people that they're in the wrong channel; making it unreadable doesn't help with that
< 1421020092 811515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the "other kind of" part)
< 1421020110 735616 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ncurses with a custom line drawing function.
< 1421020116 401715 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often is this really necessary? afair there was one user that was wrong here
< 1421020140 133178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: people who think this is about the other kind of esoteric...
< 1421020149 458071 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if you could at least draw eodermdrome states with that
< 1421020176 454415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i think the venezuelans are more common, and they get a different message
< 1421020181 137479 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i would opt for "they will learn it the hard way"
< 1421020182 442766 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :the state machine is actually what I call a folded lattice, where Its read top to bottm,
< 1421020207 951648 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of control flow, so the main in a c would be on top,
< 1421020218 629854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: in theory it was also meant to point them to a better place, except that place is basically dead.
< 1421020230 713973 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1421020247 126529 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, we had that on another channel some time ago
< 1421020289 365407 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we sent all idiots^wmisleaded users to another channel with the result  it being closed
< 1421020325 424429 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+of
< 1421020343 342812 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we still send them there, but now they come back
< 1421020365 175107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it was closed because of us, it just never really took off
< 1421020385 337399 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably there's only momentary demand.
< 1421020388 956534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and may have been started by a person who came here first...
< 1421020391 134900 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how surprising
< 1421020433 194081 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't imagine that many people with interest in esoterica that are capable of using an irc client
< 1421020454 114885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: that's racist!
< 1421020471 666941 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are esoteric people a race?
< 1421020501 325392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whoosh*
< 1421020533 1783 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i could draw eodermdrome states with it, they'd be modified though.
< 1421020572 435786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :modified how?  the state is just an unlabeled graph.
< 1421020600 335360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the labels are only used to describe substitutions.
< 1421020619 782556 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, my program draws out the states of any turning machine thing, 
< 1421020626 620824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*turing
< 1421020640 332988 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm still googling this thing, im halfway though the page so i might be wrong
< 1421020641 996097 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1421020648 440908 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing*
< 1421020659 647932 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421020664 645556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :r0nk: that misspelling is so common we redefined it as something else
< 1421020671 624987 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interesting part is wether the structure of the graph is visible or not
< 1421020684 761052 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: show me
< 1421020738 228956 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit, i should go to bed
< 1421020820 540691 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :well as I understand its a graph of states, so it would kinda be, but it would be a lattice
< 1421020836 39657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Turning_tarpit
< 1421020839 148234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ACTIVATED (SACRIFICE THIS) (REPEAT 3 (DRAW-CARD YOU)))
< 1421020866 755009 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :my program draws a folded lattice state machine, not just a state machine.
< 1421020929 715977 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that is no turning machine!
< 1421020932 520652 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, it would be visible, but the y-axis is decided by what executes first, higher being first
< 1421020945 511582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: ok so the second part is not quite the same.
< 1421020971 988563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it _is_ a pun on Turing tarpit, which also exists
< 1421020982 263318 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's good to know that the term started as a pun
< 1421021017 697676 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r0nk: they aren't exactly executed
< 1421021020 187714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sometimes caused confusing over at wikipedia's esolang article :P
< 1421021023 792538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*confusion
< 1421021034 279409 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean?
< 1421021037 892558 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how that?
< 1421021074 37858 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r0nk: the whole graph is one state
< 1421021093 261278 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want to draw the execution since it's not linear
< 1421021121 211306 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :for eodermdrome or turing machines?
< 1421021130 249026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eodermdrome
< 1421021300 41987 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah im going to have to read more on eoderdrome...
< 1421021335 655256 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Half-Broken_Car_in_Heavy_Traffic that may be my second favorite long name right behind wigner's fuckbuddy
< 1421021372 789715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: you're making Real Fast Nora jealous
< 1421021389 677667 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know about it yet
< 1421021394 762104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1421021407 729665 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any way to list languages ordered by length of their name?
< 1421021411 588138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Real_Fast_Nora%27s_Hair_Salon_3:_Shear_Disaster_Download
< 1421021415 180515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1421021415 260378 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be fun, i assume
< 1421021457 645883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you'd been here long enough to have been exposed to Nora through osmosis :P
< 1421021499 496779 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not as funny as wigner's fuckbuddy imho
< 1421021514 188360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1421021542 437081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, what about https://esolangs.org/wiki/Most_ever_Brainfuckiest_Fuck_you_Brain_fucker_Fuck
< 1421021585 13421 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1421021587 710254 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :i likeit
< 1421021595 751297 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :ileiket
< 1421021715 479935 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: now i really want that sorting option
< 1421021734 616410 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some category "ridiculous long names"
< 1421022103 991492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1421022729 661774 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't Real Fast Nora named after spam?
< 1421023112 967642 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio
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< 1421023964 374313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Magic: the Gathering it is described two kind of "vanilla" being normal vanilla and French vanilla, but now I have made up a new kind of vanilla.
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< 1421024928 591718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yes
< 1421025060 462267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact the page was originally created by a spambot.  although it was deleted before Taneb recreated it as an esolang.
< 1421025095 798415 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rule 0x29a: There is an esolang for given spam page creation.
< 1421025411 728034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think 0x29a was spam, though.
< 1421025456 682829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you are right; 0x29A is just the hex code for 666
< 1421025461 239614 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's a base 36
< 1421025461 930607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1421025488 313910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: i've always assumed the 666 allusion was intentional
< 1421025508 26950 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's just a nice repunit
< 1421025511 159320 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still.
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< 1421025719 568552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: let me guess, you're not christian or at least not very acquainted with the bible >:)
< 1421025783 328262 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I obviously know that connection, but personally don't care :p
< 1421025792 437977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1421025981 949069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect most people here in the channel to care little about religion, i meant culturally
< 1421026042 831950 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: use `echo $RANDOM` to decide on the arbitrary small integer to be posted to the channel
< 1421026308 626371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $RANDOM
< 1421026309 463794 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20133
< 1421026317 809769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very small
< 1421026324 823325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was hoping for 42
< 1421026344 787772 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $(($RANDOM % 666))
< 1421026345 919246 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :55
< 1421026349 66855 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:)
< 1421026371 838565 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: no, it is not working
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< 1421030037 6454 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Velato14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41669&oldid=41668 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+208) 10It's on Wayback and perfectly playable; also change some formatting
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< 1421039392 150992 :basichash!~user@ip-109-42-1-84.web.vodafone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421039402 415777 :basichash!~user@ip-109-42-1-84.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this channel?
< 1421039418 656626 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome
< 1421039419 420164 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1421039419 965068 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its about werd programming languages
< 1421039426 369248 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1421039465 497544 :basichash!~user@ip-109-42-1-84.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :like brainfuck?
< 1421039500 46555 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1421039505 12400 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the main one
< 1421039696 157613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you want a volcano that close, randall
< 1421039710 897866 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1421039744 245042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1421039754 748325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eyes r0nk suspiciously
< 1421039839 502345 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION draws pretty graphs
< 1421039852 693630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have stick figures?
< 1421039887 927232 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have little dots-n-shit
< 1421039891 780171 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :and flash
< 1421039902 212851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, inconclusive.
< 1421039908 101086 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :gigity
< 1421040046 417367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stealthily pours a few hundred colored plastic balls onto the floor near r0nk
< 1421040095 266407 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION keeps drawing pretty graphs, unaware of the schemes against him.
< 1421040120 302058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ncurses, foiled again
< 1421040152 13450 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? I can't hear you over the mprintw
< 1421040174 295108 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did these balls come from?
< 1421040329 351727 :basichash!~user@ip-109-42-1-84.web.vodafone.de PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 0.4.2"
< 1421040446 461530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should i know?  i certainly did not put them there while you weren't looking.  pay no attention to the backscroll.  also don't mind the raptor footprints.
< 1421040484 550266 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wha-...
< 1421040611 696199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may be too sleepy to continue the experiment.
< 1421040647 500317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1421040743 84559 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its also CRAZYhere
< 1421041129 985518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see any footprints
< 1421041209 866582 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it was during these times raptor jesus put you on his shoulders and engaged HYPERTHRUSTERS to hover above the sand
< 1421043088 38343 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1421044618 416630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone like to supply data from their internet server using RVTP, or to write SQLite extension to allow connecting to RVTP server, or even any other server or client related stuff or anything else about it?
< 1421045121 436084 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1421045218 219502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: There's also "double scoop french vanilla", isn't there?
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< 1421045341 758554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example to access financial data, weather reports, weather forecasts, texts and prices of Magic: the Gathering cards, country data (population and others), etc. Even data that can be writable is supported with RVTP too.
< 1421045352 511717 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, but that isn't what I did either.
< 1421045361 366011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you?
< 1421045436 175435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I made even several noncreature cards that use only keyword abilities, and creatures having only keyword abilities even if they aren't normally for creatures (and even noncreatures that have keyword abilities that are normally only for creatures)
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< 1421050932 254386 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07XRF14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41670&oldid=41623 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+917) 10Linked my quine and a faster, partial interpreter written in C.
< 1421050999 547790 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> error "Not implemented." -- The fastest interpreter in the West (up to constant factors).
< 1421051000 944661 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Not implemented.
< 1421051016 27320 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant *partial* interpreter
< 1421051087 890360 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language does it interpret
< 1421051307 52177 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them.
< 1421051342 488552 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fully extensibly design.
< 1421051358 959523 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*extensible
< 1421051382 927889 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1421051449 299310 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: noncreature cards that use only keyword abilities - some such official cards are the basic lands, the snow basic lands, the limited double lands, and Ardent Plea
< 1421051484 157335 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what's this RVTP?
< 1421051518 759346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there are a few such official cards, but most of them don't do a lot and there doesn't seem to be a specific designation for these kind of cards.
< 1421051521 766339 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :My guess is "remote virtual table protocol"
< 1421051526 466470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes.
< 1421051538 874647 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need the protocol specification I can send it to you.
< 1421051544 520605 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: isn't the designation "french vanilla non-creature"?
< 1421051601 923435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I have never seen such a thing in lists of what are the variants of "vanilla"; all it says is that "vanilla" and "French vanilla" and "virtual vanilla" are meant only for creatures
< 1421051697 428251 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm quite sure I've heared "vanilla" for non-creatures once, though they rarely talk about that because there are very few vanilla non-creatures and I think they're all basic lands
< 1421051859 303820 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'd be more interested in a rationale, and how it relates to Semantic Web things like SPARQL...
< 1421051867 27440 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's of course a vanilla enchantment creature, a vanilla land creature, and at least four vanilla artifact creatures
< 1421051911 741348 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, way more than four. including ones I've never heared of
< 1421051931 836470 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least six I should have already remembered.
< 1421051975 362188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some things about "French vanilla" say not only that it is a creature but that its keyword abilities are only those meant for creatures.
< 1421052000 582189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some keyword abilities only work on creatures; however there are some that are normally on creatures but can work on any card.)
< 1421052016 279901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what's the difference? do you mean creatures with cascade? creatures with modular?
< 1421052037 10490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does french vanilla count only evergreen keywords, or keywords that were evergreen at the point when that creature was pritned?
< 1421052064 769847 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some other texts said only evergreen. It is unclear exactly what it is supposed to mean.
< 1421052078 5106 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Nath's Buffoon count as french vanilla?
< 1421052093 891701 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :protection is an evergreen ability, but not only for creatures
< 1421052131 284088 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Well, RVTP is meant to be specifically for SQL (especially SQLite, although it may be usable in other programs too), and not based on webpages or anything like that.
< 1421052195 768069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't know the answer to that question either. It also isn't a common kind of protection ability, but it is still protection.
< 1421052260 951591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :protection from french vanilla
< 1421052413 213330 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: But regardless of the format, I would find it very useful to do queries of data accessed by internet from within SQLite (by using SQLite extension), rather than using webpages or telnet interfaces or whatever else is done.
< 1421052730 923634 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream
< 1421052744 211300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else I want is a SQLite extension to do graphics. Why can I find neither such an extension nor a suitable software library to make such an extension out of?
< 1421052758 135847 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, why?
< 1421052777 823196 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is SQLite a suitable platform for doing that?
< 1421052832 634036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Yes, why not?
< 1421053074 912972 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: um, what kind of graphics?
< 1421053080 668557 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you be more specific?
< 1421053183 555528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphics for plotting data on bar graphs and so on, but also could be use with other diagrams and possibly also arbitrary graphics
< 1421053204 177418 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so gnuplot-like facility to SQLite?
< 1421053300 207743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose like that
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< 1421057614 436596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it so difficult?
< 1421057683 346514 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :an SQL table could have the color of each pixel
< 1421057731 96913 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, perhaps a virtual table, but I want to have functions for statistical graphics too, not only manually programmed graphics
< 1421057786 748047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is easy to write SQLite extensions in C, although I cannot even find any suitable C library
< 1421059435 187116 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1421061381 463059 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421061468 778003 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio
< 1421065203 640734 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: IDENTICAL CHICKEN
< 1421065471 451230 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1421066046 338184 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421066067 435461 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Tsadf 5*  10New user account
< 1421066235 78822 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41671&oldid=41625 5* 03Tsadf 5* (+10) 10/* Q */
< 1421066464 653383 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`messages
< 1421066465 324515 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: messages: not found
< 1421066470 232760 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^messages
< 1421066505 362482 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :>messages
< 1421066640 783477 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :%messages
< 1421066643 926872 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1421066649 99605 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :&messages
< 1421066652 336385 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*messages
< 1421066656 3300 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :]messages
< 1421066662 24741 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMN IT
< 1421066716 475391 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud
< 1421066716 607250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages
< 1421066750 561577 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1421066776 501951 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ity was @... it would be useful if lambdabot had @ in his name
< 1421066801 833048 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC doesn't even allow that
< 1421066820 222363 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes
< 1421066820 299434 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !
< 1421066870 785331 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of those areallowed in irc names apparently
< 1421067277 886949 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ^_^
< 1421067278 620064 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1421067310 286441 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Haskell have some in-memory buffer?
< 1421067318 23632 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like hPutStrLn buf
< 1421067322 578207 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where I can later read from?
< 1421067387 320209 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What
< 1421067393 862824 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Text.pack
< 1421067394 922228 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘Text.pack’
< 1421067397 741408 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t T.pack
< 1421067398 653723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: ‘T.pack’
< 1421067398 697125 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant ‘BS.pack’ (imported from Data.ByteString)
< 1421068048 417808 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could not find module ‘DynFlags’ It is a member of the hidden package ‘ghc-7.8.3’
< 1421068052 348127 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... then unhide it?
< 1421068100 776931 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghci -package ghc
< 1421068118 334774 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would advice against unhiding the ghc package in general, but it's possible: ghc-pkg unhide ghc
< 1421068123 474277 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*advise
< 1421068132 181082 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*advize
< 1421068189 502887 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my native language, why are you so hard to use correctly!?!?!
< 1421068227 606026 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people are complicated?
< 1421068277 777218 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1421068282 644177 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does compile with ghc -package ghc
< 1421068285 63936 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it won't run
< 1421068344 87696 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle print
< 1421068345 474455 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude print :: Show a => a -> IO ()
< 1421068345 518170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.IO print :: Show a => a -> IO ()
< 1421068345 518290 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Printf printf :: PrintfType r => String -> r
< 1421068381 592339 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. neat
< 1421068529 482096 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1421068538 897838 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't the GHC API let me compile a String?
< 1421068543 137751 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than me giving it a file name?
< 1421068566 559470 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1421068568 217145 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :targetContents
< 1421068568 881027 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
< 1421068666 396082 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle String -> StringBuffer
< 1421068666 902275 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: Unknown type StringBuffer
< 1421068666 945641 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude error :: [Char] -> a
< 1421068666 945761 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debug.Trace trace :: String -> a -> a
< 1421068670 805845 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah
< 1421068799 364944 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07QFL14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41672 5* 03Tsadf 5* (+1471) 10Created page with "'''QFL''' is a [[Turing tarpit]] inspired by [[Iota]] and [[Jot]]. Basically it's a [[Iota]] with IO.   == Features ==  * functional purity * literate programming * full unico..."
< 1421068814 449959 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle [Char] -> StringBuffer
< 1421068814 669843 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: Unknown type StringBuffer
< 1421068814 713194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude error :: [Char] -> a
< 1421068814 713313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debug.Trace trace :: String -> a -> a
< 1421068817 739337 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1421068832 366226 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stringToStringBuffer 
< 1421068876 367041 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07QFL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41673&oldid=41672 5* 03Tsadf 5* (-1) 10/* Input */
< 1421068940 498354 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle ClockTime
< 1421068940 558629 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Time data ClockTime
< 1421068940 601948 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Time addToClockTime :: TimeDiff -> ClockTime -> ClockTime
< 1421068940 602068 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Time diffClockTimes :: ClockTime -> ClockTime -> TimeDiff
< 1421069020 112836 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07QFL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41674&oldid=41673 5* 03Tsadf 5* (+1) 10/* IO */
< 1421069209 484516 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1421069364 103452 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/hV0ogcX
< 1421069366 761845 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem to work :(
< 1421069380 278780 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (GHC version 7.8.3 for i386-unknown-linux):
< 1421069380 366070 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :	Could not find module ‘B.hs’
< 1421069598 125972 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07QFL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41675&oldid=41674 5* 03Tsadf 5* (+85) 10/* Realization */
< 1421069742 352565 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.84 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421070628 847567 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My skill level at nethack: TERRIBLE
< 1421070800 94182 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1421070839 264392 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07QFL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41676&oldid=41675 5* 03Tsadf 5* (+55) 10/* Realization */
< 1421070983 272039 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what did you do?
< 1421071001 488445 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :jameseb, I died because of an endless stream of snakes on the first level
< 1421071005 426285 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I must go to a lecture
< 1421071059 292283 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: were you fountain quaffing when you shouldn't have been?
< 1421071176 508999 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421071427 505286 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transcript of my most recent nethack game: o esc tab # q ret y q
< 1421071624 183597 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421071765 190531 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:MNNBFSL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41677&oldid=41516 5* 03AndoDaan 5* (+268) 10Added some snippets of standard length.
< 1421072211 177645 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421072213 318280 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1421072266 653708 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome vanila 
< 1421072267 658892 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1421072281 609156 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I remembered.
< 1421072744 988750 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome
< 1421072745 989558 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06<http://esolangs.org/>. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07irc.dal.net.)
< 1421072803 521304 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`belcome
< 1421072803 930686 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: belcome: not found
< 1421072820 79861 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's racists.
< 1421072825 647904 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racist?
< 1421073775 59913 :augur_!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421073788 261281 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:a417:b2b6:a205:68c9 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421073820 169779 :^v!~^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1421073820 292488 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1421073828 927956 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1421073846 195616 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421073938 140265 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421074107 195850 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1421074556 774345 :SopaXorzTaker!~Mark@87.228.105.48 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421075084 983556 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a thing I can paste a lot of txt into thne generate random markov sentences from it?
< 1421075098 384614 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :in browser would be uesful..
< 1421075112 916640 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lab.yuyat.jp/markov-chain/
< 1421075133 872894 :u-ou!no-n@unaffiliated/no-n JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421075351 951951 :u-ou!no-n@unaffiliated/no-n PART #esoteric :"Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"
< 1421075929 638004 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ( ] { ) < } < [ > ] >
< 1421075930 67404 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: (] {) <} < [ > ] >
< 1421075958 254210 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow program with interlinked brackets
< 1421075968 791058 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :took idea from elsehwere
< 1421076107 546680 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421076148 990974 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1421076500 244762 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421076538 580994 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how many roads must a man?
< 1421076538 729067 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you can also do
< 1421076592 285806 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1421076797 463395 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio
< 1421076993 152223 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvakpekdjapgfeai JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421077000 343973 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvakpekdjapgfeai PRIVMSG #esoteric :The animu's
< 1421077001 992369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you being sassy? 
< 1421077002 132501 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: all right :) i agree with augur would work
< 1421077030 517379 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvakpekdjapgfeai NICK :Lilax
< 1421077039 400623 :augur_!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoooaaa hello
< 1421077040 388297 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421077053 86413 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvakpekdjapgfeai PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired of all these msgs
< 1421077055 160769 :augur_!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah thats right, agree with me, unf
< 1421077061 728797 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvakpekdjapgfeai PRIVMSG #esoteric :About how I need to log in
< 1421077066 329494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421077078 159064 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvakpekdjapgfeai PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur_ what are you on about
< 1421077112 766438 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I for one think divining from the entrains would be preferable in that case
< 1421077112 988070 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: they can't do " fnord" page, but you can't
< 1421077132 675546 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvakpekdjapgfeai PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is life?
< 1421077133 176799 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: maybe i'll go visit the chicken site says it supports quantum computation? quantum intercal or what?!" talk. i'd like a cut. either way, it would've gone unnoticed by me :)
< 1421077142 221911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: is this a pun or a misspelling of "entrails"
< 1421077143 520499 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvakpekdjapgfeai PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds good
< 1421077153 790714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspelling
< 1421077156 605024 :augur_!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: what are YOU on about?
< 1421077160 900392 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be entrails
< 1421077163 265403 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvakpekdjapgfeai PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat
< 1421077171 329087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
< 1421077180 94315 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvakpekdjapgfeai PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur_ wot?
< 1421077235 126523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fools, have you awaken the augur_!
< 1421077247 891223 :augur_!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA
< 1421077252 112822 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvakpekdjapgfeai PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused oerjan 
< 1421077253 839523 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blame fungott
< 1421077254 330444 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: for whatever reason, a ( syntactic) environment, and that
< 1421077256 489486 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot* even
< 1421077256 995102 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: or better yet, the procedures compiled with the cc-built installation results in a " worse but temporary" way to do js cps js enabled.)
< 1421077286 380432 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: using emscripten?
< 1421077287 120872 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: hrmn. i just saw this. i can't log on to comp.lang.scheme or the undernet or something?
< 1421077289 683395 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvakpekdjapgfeai PRIVMSG #esoteric :does fungot just pick random words
< 1421077289 993899 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: so you define e.g. first two papers at http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/hxt/ cw04/ fnord why that is.
< 1421077297 372367 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvakpekdjapgfeai PRIVMSG #esoteric :pls no
< 1421077301 568022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: that's the natural state of people in this channel hth
< 1421077334 659407 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvakpekdjapgfeai PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I'm solace btw I've just been getting that This isn't your account msg all the time
< 1421077369 212625 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, why doyou hate me?
< 1421077369 445860 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ( 0)'. but it's output in iso-8859-1 anyway.)
< 1421077382 7249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+ed
< 1421077384 553463 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvakpekdjapgfeai PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1421077403 560308 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvakpekdjapgfeai PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2+2
< 1421077404 940066 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4
< 1421077413 553129 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvakpekdjapgfeai PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you lambdabot 
< 1421077471 822349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: fungot's babble is random, yes, although each word depends on the 2-3 or so that came before
< 1421077472 115383 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: say bash tar gz for 79? sorry for not laughing, eh.
< 1421077498 611739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has several styles
< 1421077508 254712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style lovecraft
< 1421077508 378958 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings)
< 1421077515 475467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so are we all doomed?
< 1421077515 802937 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but evil spies had doubtless reported much; for shortly a black galley put into port, and the world knows well the beauty, the stale and prosy triteness, and the
< 1421077548 432530 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like a kitty pidgin bible style, do we have that yet?
< 1421077653 23619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm open to the submission of new styles, preferrably in the form of standard ARPA N-gram models.
< 1421077665 184257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are instructions in the github.
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< 1421077677 490675 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1421077682 145698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/varikn/readme.txt
< 1421077682 404150 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: subsequent winds had effaced all tracks which could have been nothing from outside, he had said, or at least from prying too big for any healthy new england wood. there were
< 1421077695 199237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: There were what? 
< 1421077695 551358 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not the terrific force of the elements was such as has befallen no man before. it was now impossible to see the sculptor and give him the rebuke i thought proper for so boldly imposing upon a learned and cultivated englishman. but for a few days later mr. ward did the most sensible
< 1421077720 90098 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: um, can't you just generate one from http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/bibul.txt (downloaded from an old version of http://lolcatbible.com/ )
< 1421077844 418699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In theory, if I have free time and remember and feel all that motivated. Besides, I don't have any of the stuff installed on the laptop, and the desktop is still back in Finland.
< 1421077864 50103 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
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< 1421086186 879994 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gs214]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41678&oldid=39907 5* 03Nooodl 5* (+315) 10no information is better than misinformation I GUESS
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< 1421090515 928074 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to rewrite something like boolean f(x,y)=f(x-1,y) or f(x,y-1) to use tail call optimization?
< 1421091092 616356 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Doesn't that function recurse forever?
< 1421091145 900660 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with tail-optimising that is that there are two calls, rather than just one
< 1421091170 310107 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd have to be converted into some sort of linear form first
< 1421092721 447581 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421092790 998742 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, f(x, y) = or(f(x-1, y), f(x, y-1))
< 1421092799 736903 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it isn't a tail call.
< 1421092805 278458 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, uh.
< 1421092811 867857 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it could be done automatically.
< 1421092822 845000 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can probably rewrite it to something like
< 1421092841 484758 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :f'(x, y, b) = f(x-1, y, f(x, y-1) | b)
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< 1421093116 474989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's as much a tail-call as the original (with a short-circuiting or)
< 1421093135 754858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would take a lot more fanciness to do more than that (if it's even possible, I don't have brain power right now)
< 1421093139 442420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. I guess you need base cases too :P
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< 1421093287 549572 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've realized that I know only enough Haskell to make an idiot of myself.
< 1421093354 761083 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've looked at haskell from both sides now, from up and down and still somehow
< 1421093365 147273 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's haskell's illusions i recall.. i really don't know haskell at all
< 1421093387 182275 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My memory of the basics has gotten too spotty; need to start learning it all over again I think.
< 1421093423 538468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only language anyone needs is *spins the wheel* MarioLANG
< 1421093433 968217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*spins the wheel again* or FakeASM
< 1421093438 373885 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MarioLANG`?
< 1421093448 694728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BogusForth and Imaginary function are also acceptable languages
< 1421093463 420433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: some random esowiki language
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< 1421093742 347641 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think instead I'll start going through one of the Haskell books/course/tutorials/somethingorother tomorrow.
< 1421093764 660447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have you read already? (in the ways of haskell introductions)
< 1421093919 927964 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :About half of LYAH several months ago, this: https://www.fpcomplete.com/school/starting-with-haskell/haskell-fast-hard, and a lot of random practice problems.
< 1421093950 933008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that non-LYAH tutorial was pretty bad the first time it came out
< 1421093953 761700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's better now :p
< 1421093975 164631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, in my opinion)
< 1421093987 639747 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is fairly bad. It starts well, but it plummets by the last half.
< 1421094028 182437 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured it'd be a quick way to get back up to at least where I was last time I used Haskell.
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< 1421094167 180358 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking I'd try this one: https://www.fpcomplete.com/school/starting-with-haskell/basics-of-haskell or Real World Haskell.
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< 1421094233 934308 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or re-read LYAH and skim past the boring bits so I can actually finish it.
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< 1421094381 704196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome supay
< 1421094382 955612 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06supay: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02<http://esolangs.org/>. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.)
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< 1421095085 441605 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the looks of Real World Haskell because basically my biggest problem in Haskell then and now was that I had absolutely no idea how to use it for anything practical.
< 1421095107 117309 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can golf
< 1421095208 523610 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about all I've done with it, yes. Golfing and Codewars/Euler type stuff.
< 1421095331 116320 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figure Haskell sounds like it's be good for making useful data structures, that you could then maybe use in other languages.
< 1421095377 45490 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more rust
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< 1421095425 811190 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And generally being a thing that can lets you call stuff in it from other things.
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< 1421095581 679368 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I kinda wanna learn Rust actually, but it's sort of a moving target at the moment.
< 1421095606 890652 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.0 beta should be there "real soon now"
< 1421095776 163471 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's in alpha now apparently.
< 1421096070 136544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: haskell is actually pretty terrible for that purpose imo
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< 1421100622 709131 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://rextester.com/ZQWWT68409
< 1421100708 427136 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not impressed
< 1421100758 32976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :main=print$replicate 10 Dead -- golfed
< 1421100865 307246 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421100961 966882 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: [0..9]>>[Dead] is shorter
< 1421100999 679328 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
< 1421101004 161214 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also,  replicate 10Dead  is valid.
< 1421101015 759173 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're going to lay on the operators, at least go all the way:   take n . map kill . repeat $ Alive
< 1421101050 572055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :main=putStr$'[':([0..8]>>"Dead,")++"Dead]" -- saved the data declaration
< 1421101060 693440 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at least deathFactory is inefficient.
< 1421101070 537373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so mean :P
< 1421101110 360465 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh heh.
< 1421101119 700604 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can i say, my head's in a weird place.
< 1421101133 38017 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote an object oriented version in Heresy too.
< 1421101149 213378 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(map (fn (x) (send x 'kill)) people) ...
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< 1421101289 699238 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1421101406 418609 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait.  deathFactory n = take n . map kill $ Alive : deathFactory n
< 1421101418 205621 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's inefficient, but thorough
< 1421101493 31851 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1421101513 815723 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- ensures O(1) survivors even in presence of errors in "kill"
< 1421101551 477890 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1421101554 558280 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming they're random, independent, blah)
< 1421101591 158973 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, of course, that the probability of kill resulting in death is >0.
< 1421101610 575291 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :while dead people stay dead.
< 1421101776 398127 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it ensure O(1) survivors?
< 1421101832 847730 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's assume kill will map the given Alive to Alive, thus the list will expand to Alive : Alive : deathFactory n
< 1421101898 143530 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could - since kill may leave Alive people Alive - lead to Alive : Alive : Alive : Alive : deathFactory n
< 1421101913 58342 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and could lead to n people being alive
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< 1421104143 887426 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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< 1421104629 719141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<quintopia> is there a way to rewrite something like boolean f(x,y)=f(x-1,y) or f(x,y-1) to use tail call optimization? <-- i sense an X/Y problem
< 1421104664 203859 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1421104722 963744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming your base cases are nicely laid out, that's rather trivial to optimize, but i wouldn't call it "tail call optimization"
< 1421104740 893954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dontaskdonttelllist
< 1421104741 532984 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dontaskdonttelllist: q​u​i​n​t​o​p​i​a​ c​o​p​p​r​o​ m​y​n​a​m​e​
< 1421104812 244286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course it'll break down for something more complicated than or. (although all binary boolean operators are easy - i once went through them when thinking about 1d CAs)
< 1421104865 495877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically what you have there _is_ a CA, just with time steps diagonal
< 1421104906 900185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so it can be easily calculated in O(n) space and O(mn) time
< 1421104955 947008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the name for it still isn't "tail call optimization"
< 1421105083 357901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the binary boolean case can be done more efficiently.  actually i think xor involved binomials (mod 2), which was the most complicated case.)
< 1421105650 553954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell J_Arcane <J_Arcane> elliott: I think instead I'll start going through one of the Haskell books/course/tutorials/somethingorother tomorrow. <-- there was a blog post recently where someone gave their opinions on some courses tutorials (spoiler: he considered LYAH and several other common recommendations pedagogically bad and recommended a different path) http://bitemyapp.com/posts/2014-12-31-functional-education.html
< 1421105650 673838 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1421105662 399451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if lambdabot will pass on all that
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< 1421105710 690549 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I liked LYAH at first, but then it falls down in the middle by just filling up the book with short three line paragraphs explaining every single bloody item in the standard library.
< 1421105744 447153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1421105751 662929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION never read it himself, anyway
< 1421105760 306347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned haskell too long ago
< 1421105822 694193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fair enough, re: that post
< 1421105833 820340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that cis194 course is taught by byorgey so I'm surei t's good
< 1421105836 477721 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are whole chapters of the book that are little more than just, say, starting with Data.List, and going through each of the major functions one at a time. A nice primer for an amateur when it comes to the really important ones like map and filter, but don't waste my time explaining every single thing in the docs, especially if you're not gonna take time to show me what actual use they are.
< 1421105838 893366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sure it's good
< 1421105887 153849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is Typeclassopedia in this list... oh lord, are people recommending the Typeclassopedia as an introduction to Haskell these days?!
< 1421105923 546230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's hope not
< 1421105946 861488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume it's more of an overview recommendation...
< 1421106093 764498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the mean time, the slow development of real quantum computers keeps chugging along http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2155
< 1421106130 779563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dated. A lot of code no longer works. Author is too busy to fix it. If I got pestered by the Haskell community as much as the author has, I wouldn’t want to fix my book either." hmm, did I miss something with bos?
< 1421106170 511453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they're actually starting to test out error correction now)
< 1421106213 551377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not the full kind, but enough to get an 8.5 times improvement in coherence time)
< 1421106281 517839 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The material often bores learners and leaves them feeling like they’re not “getting” it. This because they’re being “talked at” and demo’d to. They’re not engaging with and solving problems." 
< 1421106284 293984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm error rate
< 1421106294 299234 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does rather sum up my LYAH experience past the initial stages.
< 1421106338 494057 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421106375 234436 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's actually an adaptation of cis194 on FPComplete. 
< 1421106424 449945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall the blog post insisted on a particular semester version of the course (not the latest)
< 1421106442 730538 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, he uses Spring 2013.
< 1421106483 885696 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yorgey's version, same as the one on FPComplete.
< 1421106505 452637 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015 isn't done yet, and '14 was a different instructor.
< 1421106509 175996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good, i guess
< 1421106589 700794 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1421107320 145974 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I find his argument rather convincing, and so will most likely do the FPComplete version of 194, and then the NICTA course. Interactive methods seem to work better for me anyway, I retain better.
< 1421108065 351017 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: TELECOMMUNAL CHICKEN
< 1421108342 219158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i shaved off one character hth  main=putStr$'[':49`take`cycle"Dead,"++"]"
< 1421108353 455113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ty
< 1421108361 298803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's going to submit it to anagol
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< 1421108623 455823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [0..9]>>[var"Dead"]
< 1421108624 846272 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [Dead,Dead,Dead,Dead,Dead,Dead,Dead,Dead,Dead,Dead]
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< 1421108898 76707 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio
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< 1421109548 47415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 972
< 1421109548 689807 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 972: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti
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< 1421109747 73988 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1421110182 449808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
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< 1421111476 667245 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kuasurksmhbptgdn NICK :Slowmotion|Catas
< 1421111486 850685 :Slowmotion|Catas!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kuasurksmhbptgdn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brb
< 1421111505 612291 :Slowmotion|Catas!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kuasurksmhbptgdn PRIVMSG #esoteric :These parasings on my client are amaze
< 1421111514 913769 :Slowmotion|Catas!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kuasurksmhbptgdn NICK :Lilax
< 1421111972 698899 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kuasurksmhbptgdn PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna play cards against humanity
< 1421111974 725083 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kuasurksmhbptgdn PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1421112077 182307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* the drive comic's archive sucks so bad
< 1421112135 56785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no list of all comics that goes more than a year back, comic urls are by date and update have been sporadic for a long time...
< 1421112175 306250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was trying to find the galaxy map to look up a planet mentioned in the latest comic
< 1421112397 414498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there
< 1421112913 450649 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1421112935 156055 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax:have fun!
< 1421112949 308187 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kuasurksmhbptgdn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahaha
< 1421112953 805467 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kuasurksmhbptgdn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wanna join?
< 1421112970 573769 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you playing online?
< 1421112994 602281 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I'mma have to pass right now
< 1421112999 956197 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thanks for the invite
< 1421113002 822593 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time!
< 1421113015 703623 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kuasurksmhbptgdn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok
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< 1421113813 910159 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not understanding your set builder notation.
< 1421113854 639498 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said let A = { y | y in O forall O in C, x /= y }. It seems like there should be a conjunction between the first "O" and the "forall", and I don't know what C and x are.
< 1421113936 707623 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, my *real* question is:
< 1421113976 230754 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kuasurksmhbptgdn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh mai
< 1421113980 105106 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given a set, is a topology on that set completely determined by the set of all functions from Co to that set, where Co is the set containing 0 and all rational numbers of the form 1/n where n is an integer?
< 1421113982 556548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :A is the set of y /= x that are contained in all O in C hth
< 1421113998 296793 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what's C? The space is called S.
< 1421114016 617435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is your hypothetical countable family of open sets
< 1421114024 852746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which therefore cannot exist
< 1421114064 254049 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm.
< 1421114072 772458 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have written down my question way back when.
< 1421114107 890543 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, who cares about topological spaces without countable bases anyway.
< 1421114159 563723 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suddenly have the eerie feeling that the category of topological spaces with countable bases is cartesian closed.
< 1421114176 920174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your Co simply allows you to detect converging sequences afaict, so since those don't determine the topology in general the answer is no.
< 1421114201 218773 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a well-known fact that converging sequences don't determine the topology in general?
< 1421114204 392510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise there would have been no need to invent nets.
< 1421114217 533574 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is starting to sound familiar.
< 1421114222 164617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure it is.
< 1421114239 949077 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn it, I need to go to grad school.
< 1421114272 154386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't my example from before show that?  there are no not-eventually-constant converging sequences in that space, i think.
< 1421114370 638759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it cannot be distinguished by sequences from the discrete space on the same set
< 1421114473 693920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically every countable set is closed, so no sequence can converge to anything outside its limit range)
< 1421114487 553400 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take your word for it.
< 1421114508 203260 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My reason for bringing everything up comes from my distrust of excessively large mathematical objects.
< 1421114517 348995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the topology is basically _defined_ by every countable set being closed.
< 1421114524 930970 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1421114575 542757 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not experienced enough in topology for all this to make sense without a bunch of effort.
< 1421114608 973685 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've figured out which mathematical objects I find "acceptable". Maybe.
< 1421114625 954846 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's those with topologies with countable bases.
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< 1421114643 660554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett2: you might want to get hold of the book named "Counterexamples in topology"
< 1421114902 406135 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The philosophically nice thing about points in spaces with countable bases is that, given two different (and distinguishable) points, you'll always be able to tell which is which by systematically performing an infinite number of experiments.
< 1421114938 807139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean countable overall, not just at each point
< 1421114942 820247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1421114944 657923 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we're sort of talking past each other at this point.
< 1421114960 979359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure
< 1421115016 610398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some mathematical arguments that get a lot easier if you can just go total overkill with uncountable sets and axiom of choice though...
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< 1421115416 346734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe humanity is not doomed just yet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teixobactin
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< 1421115927 209762 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-countable_space - oh, there's a word for it.
< 1421116020 318975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course there is
< 1421116040 10755 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moreover, I'm pretty sure I knew the word already; I just forgot.
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< 1421116436 402892 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequential_space - oh sweet.
< 1421116561 377385 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The subcategory Seq is a cartesian closed category with respect to its own product (not that of Top)." Nice.
< 1421116567 27842 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raises an obvious question, of course.
< 1421116570 110102 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a product in Seq?
< 1421116967 919598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
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< 1421118697 842523 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kuasurksmhbptgdn PRIVMSG #esoteric : On the Next episode Of Dragon Ball Z Goku fights a feirce battle With puppets made from the skin of children!
< 1421118708 73922 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kuasurksmhbptgdn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry I had too idk why
< 1421118831 540098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. random
< 1421118846 232378 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode @
< 1421118846 881526 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0040 COMMERCIAL AT]
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< 1421118927 879259 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kuasurksmhbptgdn PRIVMSG #esoteric :how was your persons days
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< 1421125770 681124 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421125786 914595 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1421125788 661597 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :nwe stuff on esoteric.codes
< 1421125812 367931 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :قلب  (‘alb) prقلب  (‘alb) pr
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< 1421127326 240667 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolangs made it clear to me that languages could be a medium themselves, but what makes قلب unique is that it uses this medium to communicate a specific cultural and political message about code itself. 
< 1421127428 548189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1421127755 66143 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good morning, good night? (extrapolating from yesterday where I just missed you.)
< 1421127846 274062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :closer to night
< 1421127887 288254 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right, I meant the morning for myself and the night for you, but of course that didn't get across.
< 1421127915 734144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course my surroundings may consider it morning)
< 1421127931 882633 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah who cares about those
< 1421127942 971763 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still dark here
< 1421128178 119741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well here too, i mean morning as in some people appear to be leaving for work...
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< 1421128534 697430 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, not a single Burlesque solution for Kimariji...
< 1421128589 838365 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw this cool assembly languaeg self interpreter (virtualization)
< 1421128594 740690 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i cant think of anything to do with it
< 1421128595 436306 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made up a few new keyword abilities for Magic: the Gathering, which are called: Concentration, Covering, Fibonacci, Float, Lock, Overlay, Planestrample, Switchable.
< 1421128620 369992 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: "virtualization" meaning machine code? if so, which processor?
< 1421128628 449775 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a made up machine code
< 1421128674 789840 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1421128686 459265 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/uY0TfXF.png
< 1421128688 551651 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the code
< 1421128737 15867 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets you run machine code without it knowing its been run
< 1421128743 195233 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think
< 1421128754 249273 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :L.eval is missing?
< 1421128762 779018 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah
< 1421128766 307984 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~am21/papers/pepm08.pdf
< 1421128767 512021 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats figure 3
< 1421128777 463571 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just a dispatch loop
< 1421129046 76624 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh it's almost a VLIW architecture in spirit (you make the encoding ridiculously big, using a whole word for the opcode, in order to simplify decoding.)
< 1421129067 397977 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really VLIW because instructions still have variable length.
< 1421129082 129545 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not?
< 1421129091 602504 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :VLIW is a new term to me, im just looking it up
< 1421129092 789169 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no.
< 1421129103 457137 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're fixed length, 4 words each.
< 1421129115 325930 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a silly term, "very large instruction word"
< 1421129123 440105 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or long?
< 1421129231 531384 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's hardly been used outside of microcode designs; the EPIC (Itanium) architecture looks VLIW-ish, and the Transmeta CPUs had a VLIW design. Maybe some DSPs do, too, and possibly GPUs, but no widespread mainstream processors that I'm aware of.
< 1421130263 816736 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Java, a dead-end language with zero interesting syntax or semantics."
< 1421130264 682126 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its so cool!
< 1421130267 199580 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well said.
< 1421130280 648037 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to try to do something with this but i cant think of any ideas
< 1421130316 63752 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :java has some interesting ideas: Compiling to a bytecode vm, object oriented programming with classes and interfaces
< 1421130326 372059 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably more i dont know
< 1421130367 85843 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bytecode is boring, OO is boring
< 1421130412 16539 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw do you know why Java is pretty much stuck with the bytecode as is?
< 1421130443 402622 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not boring
< 1421130456 704941 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its an important technique in compilers
< 1421130462 281075 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An enhancer is a tool that automatically adds code to your persistent classes after you have written them. The enhancer post-processes the bytecode generated by your Java compiler, adding the necessary fields and methods to implement the required persistence features. This bytecode modification perfectly preserves the line numbers in stack traces and is compatible with Java debuggers."
< 1421130489 269148 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :People started doing crazy shit like that.
< 1421130565 201555 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java will just never be cool. It's old, it's big, and it's Buzzword Compatbible. (Buzzwords are yesterday's cool ideas.)
< 1421130641 966769 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool is stuff like node.js, dart, golang
< 1421130647 956414 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont care about cool languages
< 1421130663 740740 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what are you doing here? ;-)
< 1421130672 268585 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs
< 1421130749 411855 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Rust cool >.>
< 1421130755 129076 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1421130760 56832 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, node, which will win? Node.js or io.js?
< 1421130761 633918 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION <3 Rust
< 1421130809 718326 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I also like GoLang, but I don't see the point of node or dart
< 1421130809 914224 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(forks are interesting social experiments)
< 1421130895 61236 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I though that ECMAScript isn't too bad a language. (Not cool, but as far as I can see, most of the warts associated with Javascript are actually different interpretation of the W3C DOM, in particular when it comes to event propagation.)
< 1421130959 509201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it also has messed up scoping and coercion rules
< 1421130960 329887 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otoh I think Node.js was just a cheap way of getting a fast scripting language: take an existing Browser VM and strip the browser parts.
< 1421130970 612543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#opinions
< 1421130980 968407 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :js scoping is esoteric
< 1421131025 545239 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, at least js has proper closures
< 1421131038 28986 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a prototype based language which is slightly uncommon.
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< 1421131050 251030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a prototype-based language that pretends to be class-based :)
< 1421131070 117527 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah that pretention is a mistake.
< 1421131092 814048 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I think JS is lexically scoped, which is pretty normal, not esoteric
< 1421131102 207412 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, half a mistake. if you didn't use it in a mostly class-based fashion, optimisation would be reallly hard.)
< 1421131119 320608 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu, its not!
< 1421131125 69262 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like go
< 1421131132 58892 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: why not?
< 1421131148 269927 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see its use case
< 1421131156 732302 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :go had so much potential
< 1421131167 512440 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a shame what they came out with
< 1421131170 328634 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: the surrounding object's properties are in scope, and those can change dynamically.
< 1421131178 735961 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me a potential use case was to write C programs in (instaed of C)
< 1421131181 541227 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :since its a lot safer
< 1421131181 713378 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it has too much strange properties for a modeen language
< 1421131182 575749 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't they have a workaround for the lack of generics or something?
< 1421131193 302292 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... not really sure
< 1421131194 953443 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :really embarassing workarounds
< 1421131202 267605 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: go's usecase is mostly in the highly-threaded inner-loop sector
< 1421131204 125342 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A bit like Python? Nobody seems to complain there...)
< 1421131204 880990 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the go community were extremely hostile when I proposed other solutions
< 1421131228 248632 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: so, erlang?
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< 1421131243 943839 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But of course, Python is more properly class based.)
< 1421131251 739473 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Just think of Go as an untyped language, where everything is of type interface{} and it makes so much more sense
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< 1421131279 657725 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I know nothing about erlang
< 1421131300 865984 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont you have to do a type-unsafe cast to use your interface{}s?
< 1421131304 691690 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: it also makes stuff much more horrible
< 1421131332 214447 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"go is not a bad language, but it's not a good language either"
< 1421131354 997003 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the hell does it still have null pointers
< 1421131356 332477 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no good programming languages.
< 1421131378 555285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: are you saying that go is a no good programming language?
< 1421131385 644338 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: you do, but as Sgeo said, Go doesn't have generics, or conditional compilation, or macros, all of which their users are begging for
< 1421131386 561491 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well, yeah, but rust gets as close to what i want as anything i know
< 1421131401 19712 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think its a disappointment
< 1421131402 449692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just that they exist
< 1421131408 536835 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :("There are two kinds of programming languages. Those that everybody complains about and those that nobody uses." -- I believe that's going to remain true for the foreseeable future.)
< 1421131416 580810 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I thnk R7RS scheme is a good language
< 1421131442 841418 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ocaml
< 1421131458 100524 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I'm *using* ocaml, it sucks :P
< 1421131470 953637 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what problems do take with it?
< 1421131476 432399 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent used it very much, im a beginner
< 1421131481 361602 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: and so from my perspective, it seems like those Go users who want generics are switching to Rust, because it's also aiming for the highly-threaded inner-loop market
< 1421131505 877100 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an issue with rust but nobody else seems to care :/
< 1421131516 14346 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: what issue?
< 1421131530 189010 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should make a formal model of the type system and prove basic safety properties about it
< 1421131549 864270 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for a pull request :D
< 1421131570 424276 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't something you can just hack up in a weekend
< 1421131588 102952 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: omg, I <3 R7RS-small
< 1421131594 16844 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1421131604 409500 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you use saggitarius scheme?
< 1421131618 487555 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, I wrote my own scheme
< 1421131621 245201 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1421131622 590016 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool!
< 1421131629 47809 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting with small syntacticaly oddities (postfix type constructors? WHY?!), to the fact that modules have to be initialised at runtime (which in the particular project I'm involved in means the program spends half a second just starting up... because it slavishly follows the interface/instance division in its design (not my decision, but hard to change now...)), tools that are not powerful enough to...
< 1421131629 584759 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to do that too but its hard..
< 1421131635 35514 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...see through the flexible module systems in order to extract usable dependencies...
< 1421131639 725793 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just off the top of my head.
< 1421131648 653531 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hat.
< 1421131659 636583 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I suspect you'd like Rust's no-life-before-main policy
< 1421131662 156973 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh wow int-e, thanks for good points! I had no idea about those
< 1421131755 122235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Gnfjnueihp
< 1421131773 555969 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: have you seen any videos or slides about Rust's ownership model?
< 1421131785 820306 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive not seen that adu
< 1421131786 606510 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. Good night f j n u e i h p.
< 1421131793 306046 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :f j n u e i h p????
< 1421131808 83224 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- oerjan has quit [Quit: Gnfjnueihp] <-- trying to decipher this
< 1421131816 85513 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooo
< 1421131853 4583 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: http://www.slideshare.net/saneyuki/rusts-ownership-and-move-semantics
< 1421132289 316865 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: we could make an acronym game, everbody has to resolve one more letter
< 1421132302 641228 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. Good night for j n u e i h p
< 1421132322 971676 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night for just n u e i h p.
< 1421132509 542146 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:a417:b2b6:a205:68c9 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1421132560 870370 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night fellow jolly nude entertainer in hot pants
< 1421132649 462046 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nude -> nearly undressed?
< 1421132879 550568 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm okay with that
< 1421132907 404315 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good nougat flavoured 'n' umeboshi in hot pockets
< 1421132917 994840 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should ask oerjan who these jolly nearly undressed entertainers are
< 1421133049 52113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good nate: footjob nate. understating egregious incidents, he's perfect.
< 1421133112 601982 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1421133144 96943 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"for just now" is possible
< 1421133159 611554 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno
< 1421133160 81649 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good near-fail job. Now U, er, I have passed.
< 1421133177 97622 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan please expand Gnfjnueihp for us.
< 1421133177 141151 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1421134610 824576 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream
< 1421135011 548943 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: I'm having trouble reading those slides, due to the poor grasp of English
< 1421135047 760497 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there are other Rust presentations somewhere online
< 1421135983 529828 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the safeness in parallel" is kind of cute.
< 1421137015 138244 :MoALTz__!~no@user-109-243-165-112.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1421137189 351694 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball is the program cpu-bound?
< 1421137190 174317 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask again later.
< 1421137194 266309 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1421137227 945228 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-165-112.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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< 1421138234 823374 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone familiar with futamura projections for making compilers?
< 1421138396 909727 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does futamura not be futurama
< 1421138744 984462 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421138996 253543 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
< 1421139566 246469 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1421139857 654544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of "tasks" are there in Magic: the Gathering? (By "tasks" I mean like Babson task and so on in chess)
< 1421139919 588261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean for puzzles like Magic: The Puzzling?
< 1421139936 865201 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1421140255 434630 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puzzles to make puzzles, how frightening
< 1421140285 909622 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Enigma
< 1421140394 538590 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: dunno
< 1421140519 39316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In chess, a "Babson task" is when white plays, black promotes a pawn, and the solution requires white to promote into the same kind of piece that black promoted into. Another task is Valladao task, where promotion, en passant, and castling are all required.
< 1421140980 674518 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you think about rock paper scissors chess? http://leftoversoup.com/archive.php?num=34
< 1421141063 312960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1421141119 775333 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like it may be interesting kind of game though.
< 1421141270 88432 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cute, Wikipedia has a disambiguation page for symbols-that-resemble-the-empty-set. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%98_%28disambiguation%29
< 1421141552 140378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, whoa, whoa
< 1421141563 190786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember how in the lost vikings the zeros had slashes through them
< 1421141699 130211 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of the articles for those symbols seem to link to that page, though.
< 1421142171 845194 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/4HHab77x
< 1421142174 275945 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray :)
< 1421142224 522407 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm working on a new "esolang" that compiles to haskell)
< 1421142232 787524 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the intent to write a self-hosting compiler later on)
< 1421142267 586053 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5+5. == +5 5. == 5 5+.
< 1421142282 566691 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :operations are not carried out immediately but only after a "."
< 1421142299 822691 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"." carries out the most recent operation where as ";" carries out all operations in order
< 1421142336 785307 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5-3*2.. (is 5-(3*2))
< 1421142399 271109 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas 5-3*2; is actually (3-2)*5
< 1421142417 250966 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1421142625 934893 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1421142653 42586 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/uKvt80z5
< 1421142713 121416 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5-3*2; is the same thing as 5 3 2 -. *.
< 1421142844 980392 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The compiler keeps a stack of operations to perform
< 1421142857 487360 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"." pops an operation from the stack
< 1421142869 418211 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :";" treats the stack as a list and executes all operations in order
< 1421142870 986395 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore
< 1421142886 360219 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ - * /; is +. -. *. /.
< 1421142899 118577 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas +-*/.... is /. *. -. +.
< 1421142903 426948 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that souns horribly painful
< 1421142908 503906 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and confusing
< 1421142916 390877 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+-*/ itself compiles to nothing
< 1421142920 438623 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since no operation is executed
< 1421143068 604029 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: well you're not supposed to mix ; and . anyway
< 1421143075 625848 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's for different programming styles
< 1421143112 259173 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should use ";" if you prefer to push all data first, then carry out all operations
< 1421143159 336590 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "." if you want a more not-so-stacky style of programming
< 1421143332 320291 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does ; take the data from a stack but the operators from a queue?
< 1421143388 659535 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because :)
< 1421143484 326339 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also \
< 1421143489 286379 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which takes all operators from the stack
< 1421143592 934771 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07PZAB14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41679&oldid=40647 5* 03MrDetonia 5* (+117) 10Added link to PZAB interpreter in C GitHub page.
< 1421143602 92637 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, b_jonas: http://codepad.org/vhvjt6gK
< 1421143617 945011 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(@ is print btw.)
< 1421143635 983371 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1421143804 574699 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5-3.*2. is also the same thing as - 5 3.*2. or 5 3 -. 2 *.
< 1421143826 330351 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the 5-3. *2. style
< 1421143865 354087 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5-3.*2 is also the same as 5 3 2 *-;
< 1421143887 551999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: There are some Prismata puzzles if you're interested.
< 1421143940 505395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one called Countdown in the non-account demo.
< 1421143946 201457 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they involve real time?
< 1421143954 343007 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially my "esolang" offers three programming styles.
< 1421143962 181921 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can be mixed.
< 1421143975 679353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: am i missing a pun
< 1421144017 5799 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I'm aware of
< 1421144107 130577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a real-time game.
< 1421144132 995582 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I assumed it was.
< 1421144241 645261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a deterministic complete-information turn-based game. The puzzles are vaguely in the same category as chess puzzles or Magic: The Puzzlings, I guess.
< 1421144643 998269 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: given a program in a canonical "sane" syntax, how many ways can it can be permuted using the operators .;\
< 1421144739 718372 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :; pops the entire operator queue, unfortunately, so its application to this seems limited
< 1421144986 462074 :Zuu_!~zuu@0x5e911bd1.adsl.cybercity.dk QUIT :Changing host
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< 1421145000 380813 :Zuu_!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :Zuu
< 1421145198 921358 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently g++ supports enough of C++11 threading now
< 1421145306 358559 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: every trailing . can be replaced by either \ and ;
< 1421145320 696758 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every sequence of trailing dots can be replaced by \
< 1421145358 34179 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it's defined as, probably
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< 1421145559 358607 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also write stuff like * - 3 2. 5.
< 1421145577 378742 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is (3-2)*5) )
< 1421145590 18564 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess there are a lot of permutations possible
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< 1421145794 424363 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Codename: CRAWL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41680&oldid=13517 5* 0379.108.181.93 5* (+56) 10
< 1421146108 931163 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should not be a surprise to anyone here but it's an entertaining read: http://www.howtogeek.com/198622/heres-what-happens-when-you-install-the-top-10-download.com-apps/?PageSpeed=noscript
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< 1421146750 373923 :Guest20168!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-beatytejrbiwxgyc NICK :ocharles_
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< 1421147019 190871 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: thanks, I didn't know things had gotten so bad (I'm only using Windows for playing games...)
< 1421147066 120389 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I sometimes think that part of the reason for the boom in web apps has a lot to do with the Windows native app environment having become so unrecoverably shite. 
< 1421147296 800955 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be
< 1421147342 100794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually don't install any program that requires an installer
< 1421147346 767346 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Anybody remember the days when we had "programs"? )
< 1421147408 50494 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss the MacOS. 
< 1421147411 467763 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The classic one.
< 1421147432 512754 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where there rarely ever *were* installers, and when they were, there was no where for them to hide files in the first place.
< 1421147464 497830 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I could still get work done in 2015 on MacOS 8.5, I'd have a PowerMac on my desk.
< 1421147524 182759 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to write just command-line filter programs mostly; just port source-codes and compile it, or run the provided binary if it is working on your computer, and it work. It can be used with Windows, Linux, Mac OS X, FreeBSD, etc whatever. If you want to use it remotely you can just use SSH
< 1421147538 380541 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is better way.
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< 1421147555 837353 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it?
< 1421147563 318844 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:a417:b2b6:a205:68c9 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421147580 779924 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought that those ratings on download sites were dubious
< 1421147678 863950 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ratings are dubious, but the top 10 list is ridiculous.
< 1421147753 536161 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I'm afraid the article isn't totally ridiculous. people will browse those lists and think to themselves, "oh that sounds useful"... )
< 1421147789 781688 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :top lists on most app providers are pretty easily gamed.
< 1421147808 574346 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure half the top apps on Windows Store even are complete nonsense.
< 1421147838 86752 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure.
< 1421147866 145181 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421147973 738700 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, at this point I'm not sure MS is even bothering with any curation of their app store. It's *starting* to dwindle down now, but for most of the last several months as many of half the top games on Windows Store were pirated ROMs wrapped in a half-working emulator.
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< 1421149102 602854 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, finding good screensavers ...
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< 1421149222 866001 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: what ratings? these ratings? http://www.xkcd.com/937/
< 1421149239 304310 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1421149264 159053 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I mean that most of them don't seem to be rate-limited in any way, so they're pretty trivially botnetted, and seldom even checked for such.
< 1421149297 58334 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Apple's app store is the only one I haven't seen apps that were clearly just flooded with spam "reviews" that existed to bump the average.
< 1421151503 861472 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1421151514 769631 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f+ x x = x+x in f+ 3
< 1421151516 34480 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:8: Parse error in pattern: x
< 1421151527 932007 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f x x = x+x in f 3
< 1421151529 221515 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Conflicting definitions for ‘x’
< 1421151529 264753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bound at: <interactive>:1:7
< 1421151529 264874 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :           <interactive>:1:9
< 1421151543 904698 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f+ x y = x+y in f 2 3
< 1421151545 208287 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:8: Parse error in pattern: x
< 1421151632 194711 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (+) = (*) in 2 + 3
< 1421151633 815999 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6
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< 1421152810 452646 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, my computer keeps changing from UK keyboard layout to US
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< 1421157146 500305 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:MNNBFSL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41681&oldid=41677 5* 03AndoDaan 5* (+2123) 10Wang B-machine to MNNBFSL outline
< 1421158818 35827 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's refreshing already. A tutorial that actually admits Haskell has downsides. ;)
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< 1421161683 416784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-
< 1421161683 460071 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 7h 55m 6s ago: please expand Gnfjnueihp for us.
< 1421161704 745101 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421161709 171945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh you mash the keyboard _once_ and everyone collapses in confusion.
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< 1421161858 365643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e sheesh you mash the keyboard _once_ and everyone collapses in confusion.  i mean, adu is correct.
< 1421161858 459775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1421161910 719027 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: I have some problems with your description of that M:tG implementation of that cyclic tag machine, though probably fixable, see http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:StackFlow#M:tG_implementation
< 1421161922 185528 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: I also fixed a few typos in the description that seemed to have an obvious fix
< 1421162102 10688 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well the 'gn' was really unlucky if that's what you did
< 1421162128 814259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have typed that before mashing the rest.
< 1421162255 504650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball is the program cpu-bound?
< 1421162256 513383 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't count on it.
< 1421162263 403027 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well then you have no reason to complain.
< 1421162273 306966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so HackEgo's version is not deterministic.
< 1421162281 619535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8-ball is the program cpu-bound?
< 1421162286 788628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball is the program cpu-bound?
< 1421162286 897043 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1421162319 224006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well not _that_ reason.
< 1421162336 385106 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's what the phrase means
< 1421162566 703838 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neeeeat. There's copies of Mac Common Lisp on Macintosh Garden.
< 1421162680 558469 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: oh no. that sounds dangerous.
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< 1421164234 831673 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, ran out of memory trying to mmap a file.
< 1421164479 785675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there only were somewhere it could store it on disk to save on memory
< 1421164514 902688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by which i mean, i'm surprised it doesn't do that automatically?)
< 1421164526 792200 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think it ran out of memory creating page tables
< 1421164531 973284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1421164566 700640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right your humongous OEIS search?
< 1421164668 941268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just swap out the page tables hth
< 1421164750 66068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically that could be made to work...
< 1421164812 827516 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1421164835 748774 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :helo everyone!
< 1421164841 135061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in some system.  no idea if any real ones support it.)
< 1421164850 587859 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can of course emulate it in software
< 1421164868 607612 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is not a speed problem, because, after all, they were swapped out to disk)
< 1421164868 927523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course you'd need to protect some pages from being swapped.
< 1421164963 14948 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think x86 TLBs don't like it when you update page tables though
< 1421165069 526679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :relevant pictures https://www.google.no/search?q=TLB&biw=1179&bih=615&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=30G1VICdKYG2UPKOgZAF&ved=0CCUQsAQ
< 1421165170 75630 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :*aside looks*
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< 1421166217 610961 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :where could I get a bunch of good pure lambda calculus terms?
< 1421166224 843836 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :big ones to benchmark evaluators etc
< 1421166259 695337 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have trashy grungy lambda calculus terms
< 1421166314 976053 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just scott encode some things
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< 1421170456 344638 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x ☭ xs = map (+lavg) xs where lavg = x `div` (length xs) in 10 ☭ [1..10] -- Distributive list operator for Haskell ;)
< 1421170457 965894 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11]
< 1421170601 382297 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This regime looks a bit too strict for me.
< 1421170710 282453 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1421171009 765457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't a communist operator redistribute within the list
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< 1421173588 522516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, on the subject of vaporware esolangs by ais523
< 1421173595 38608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started working on Underlambda again
< 1421173629 444233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I read the Ursala manual (Ursala is not a vaporware esolang by ais523, but an allegedly serious language by someone else) and actually think I understood what was going on this time
< 1421173714 318476 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah I didn't know there was actually a manual
< 1421173730 720872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would anyone be able to write it without a manual?
< 1421173798 184662 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ursala
< 1421173799 58654 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​~&al?\~&ar ~&aa^&~&afahPRPfafatPJPRY+ ~&farlthlriNCSPDPDrlCS2DlrTS2J,^|J/~& ~&rt!=+ ^= ~&s+ ~&H(-+.|=&lrr;,|=&lrl;,|=&ll;+-, ~&rgg&& ~&irtPFXlrjrXPS; ~&lrK2tkZ2g&& ~&llrSL2rDrlPrrPljXSPTSL)+-,
< 1421173818 462845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT, Ursala is what you get when you start from similar syntax goals as Cyclexa (which looks like line noise just as much as Ursala does), and then add a few dubious computer science opinions
< 1421173853 227544 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1421173921 180864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(specifically: "static typing is evil, it makes much more sense to write a language which just assumes all bit patterns it sees are already of the type you claim they are", "currying-based languages are incapable of expressing /flip/", and "the main activity worth optimizing is extracting parts of structured data and forming new structured data out of them")
< 1421173966 807972 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ursala's data extraction thingies (forgot what they're called) reminded me of lenses
< 1421173978 357087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're called pointers/pseudopointers
< 1421173993 853391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, the fundamental interesting concept here is what Ursala calls an address
< 1421174026 689031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only it doesn't realise why it's important in the language itself which leaves the language a bit muddled (it's obvious (?) if you look at the generated VM bytecode though)
< 1421174100 67264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Ursala manual uses &alrNQPabh2fabt2RCNq as an example of code that Ursala is particularly good at; I reimplemented it in Underlambda (untested) and got '1~(((!('x'y)\xa'z_*)n1`)\y\z)e((A!)_)*I
< 1421174110 675137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is exactly twice as long, I couldn't golf it down further
< 1421174131 684941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :untested because I only realised that e was an important operation quite easily and none of my interps interprets it yet
< 1421174241 307527 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that "address" thing in ursala then?
< 1421174260 924975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, one thing that leaves me a bit relieved about Ursala is that the syntax is not intended to be readable or memorable
< 1421174276 973834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the manual freely admits that you'll probably need to keep it open in order to pick appropriate operators and the like
< 1421174297 994030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most operators in Ursala do multiple different things depending on surrounding whitespace; also the precedence rules are non-transitive)
< 1421174319 460506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an "address" is basically a sequence of navigation commands through pairs
< 1421174326 74259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"take the left of the right of the right of the left", like that
< 1421174360 529798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and although Ursala talks about lists and pairs and jobs and sets, they're all implemented as pairs internally
< 1421174384 877124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. a list is a pair of its head and tail, Lisp-style
< 1421174422 744794 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the [lrth]* string is the "address" and things like &address makes a "pointer" of it?
< 1421174462 925625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: OK, so this is where things start getting a little confusing
< 1421174471 7154 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :those addresses are what made me think about lenses, I think
< 1421174478 341926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pointer is basically just a structure of addresses, specified in reverse-polish form
< 1421174493 874237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, e.g. &lrX is the pair (&l, &r) because X is a pair constructor
< 1421174530 471234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this accounts for a relatively small subset of the long ~& nonsense you frequently see
< 1421174569 200593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, because the author of Ursala liked this syntax so much, they added in a bunch of other functions that aren't actually pointers, but using the same syntax (i.e. reverse-polish operating on pointers or pseudopointers), called a pseudopointer
< 1421174587 869240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so at this point you have a reverse-polish DSL which uses every uppercase and lowercase letter of the alphabet
< 1421174624 339602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and many of the commands are implemented identically (e.g. l and h), but are conceptually different and so have different names
< 1421174786 51519 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, but something like &lr is (iirc) "left of the right" (or the other way around) - how would you extend &lrX to make a pair of e.g. (&lr, &rl) instead?
< 1421175085 221919 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting twist that you start with inscrutable code, then to figure out what it does you compile it and dump the VM's internal representation which is human readable
< 1421175275 989384 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, or decompile it into human readable form, not sure how much of a straight dump it is)
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< 1421177777 248602 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://www.fpcomplete.com/blog/2015/01/hiring-software-engineer?preview=true
< 1421179885 57011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like some of my new kind of keyword abilities for Magic: the Gathering?
< 1421179910 118726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which new kind of keybard abilities?
< 1421179955 218790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: um, there are new keyword abilities? apart from plainstrample?
< 1421179973 63545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see it in the file http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/cards.txt (search for "Keyword abilities:")
< 1421179981 796208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, I added some more now.
< 1421179991 411268 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, is there a Changes file?
< 1421180018 547743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, there is no changes file, I just add to the file I already have (and make other changes as necessary, sometimes)
< 1421180039 988873 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should save it then so I can diff
< 1421180054 269348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do that if you want to
< 1421180243 529064 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, people, if you understand how these crazy automaton that are turing complete but require exponential time work, try answering http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/q/21525/8067 Conjecture about two counters automata
< 1421180647 322939 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: for the Confusion keyword, how does the triggered ability work if more than one creature blocks or is blocked by a creature?
< 1421180765 794373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also, as written, it seems that the triggered ability puts counters too late, so those counters will be useful only next combat (unless there's double strike involved)
< 1421180771 5142 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that deliberate?
< 1421180845 682620 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: as for the covering keyword, I don't understand how that works
< 1421180848 774620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is supposed to put them only until the next combat or strike
< 1421180876 466352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think the "switchable" keyword maybe it could have a better name than "switchable"?
< 1421181145 435753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I clarify the covering keyword?
< 1421181161 260762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added one more sentence but I am not sure it clarifies it.
< 1421181265 106691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One which I previously missed; it says:  Creatures with covering are also required to come in the damage assignment order before creatures without covering.
< 1421181349 473330 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you wrote the wiki entry on Wang B-machines, right?
< 1421181444 335430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: Do you mean esolang wiki? I added a paragraph to the "Wang program" article.
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< 1421183310 635391 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok, that makes covering clearer, thanks
< 1421183602 276208 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, he's gone
< 1421183623 210464 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :covering seems to be a bit similar to banding, at least on a potentially blocking creature
< 1421183998 626156 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm glad that they got a round two of Pokemon Plays Twitch going with your script.
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< 1421191147 144789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo êcho
< 1421191147 187970 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :êcho êcho
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< 1421191736 220227 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good evening
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< 1421191821 212375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good eveneb
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< 1421195328 742840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> also, people, if you understand how these crazy automaton that are turing complete but require exponential time work, try answering http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/q/21525/8067 Conjecture about two counters automata <-- i understand how they're TC but not so much how to prove that things can still be impossible with the wrong input format.  commented on a simpler subproblem mentioned, anyway.
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< 1421196672 103920 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, bouncer crashed, lost all my channels
< 1421196682 610374 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you broke freenode!
< 1421196743 36960 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to remember where I was
< 1421196747 776399 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you've seen me leave a channel and not rejoin, please tell me?
< 1421196780 601324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've rejoined all 1 channels we have in common hth
< 1421196787 358587 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, good to know
< 1421196800 161821 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :My list of channels feels... empty
< 1421196862 388385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly this show the danger of relying on technology hth
< 1421196883 556065 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1421196897 700351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s
< 1421196946 34050 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure where you are adding that s
< 1421196991 3517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after show hth
< 1421197005 789424 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooooh
< 1421197012 465718 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh
< 1421197016 445590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw
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< 1421197169 807327 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Tanelle. you left the various trains channels.
< 1421197177 917804 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes
< 1421197194 19685 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still missing some, I'm sure
< 1421197303 808304 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, I shall lâchement disappear. it may involve a shiny new mattress. 'night all!
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< 1421197721 884379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so much for looking at the _real_ question of that cstheory post, the main method of the linked article is completely impenetrable to my brain.
< 1421197752 446001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(holy shit so many indices)
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< 1421198040 92065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like there was a netsplit apocalypse earlier today...
< 1421198104 629762 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've got most of the channels I care about
< 1421198125 991900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: have you considered putting them on autojoin
< 1421198138 987122 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they were, the bouncer had quite a serious crash
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< 1421198162 112854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't save its state to disk...?
< 1421198163 975298 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I am now going to bed
< 1421198193 53174 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, a friend runs it
< 1421198238 428707 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION --> bed
< 1421198261 711245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well those logs just got a lot quicker to get through
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< 1421210127 408115 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Codename: CRAWL14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41682&oldid=41680 5* 03BCompton 5* (+22) 10Stub, Dead link templates
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< 1421216161 954805 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yay
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< 1421216293 200261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the biggest difference was henkma not using an operator
< 1421216303 848007 :nyuszika7h_!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net NICK :nyuszika7h
< 1421216345 442507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. the 40 alphanum version I spoke about replaced the two _ by letters as well.
< 1421216403 427742 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohwow. char*p=sbrk(1)
< 1421216467 990930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks for what's being discussed there.
< 1421216527 905557 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Kimariji is over and the code has been revealed
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< 1421216772 95407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: let me guess, that entry is horrifyingly undefined behavior
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< 1421216935 247156 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how it works yet.
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< 1421216952 781974 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of course the allocation is completely undefined
< 1421217106 433626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming it works in practice because allocations are always done in whole pages...
< 1421217129 923065 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, here's a hint ... the program segfaults if I submit it as is.
< 1421217167 657431 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can only assume that it segfaults almost always, but not all the time)
< 1421217174 97104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
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< 1421217258 39055 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't understand why it has  *t++ += *p  instead of *t++ = *p...
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< 1421217675 722255 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I get it (and actually that includes the +=). The loop body works perfectly fine.
< 1421217701 228675 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the allocation and the b%65 check that are iffy.
< 1421217748 466066 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently anagol uses ASLR :P
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< 1421217979 26734 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err no, I still don't get the +=
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< 1421218172 825033 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, after *t=read(0,p+1)+p, t points to the last character read (a newline), and p points to a zero byte; the first *t++ += *p  keeps that final newline intact.
< 1421218351 487028 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did banding used to work in Magic: the Gathering if opponent is attacking with one creature with trample, and if I block with fifteen creatures, one of which has banding?
< 1421218366 519962 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean how it works in Fourth Edition, not how it works under current rules.
< 1421218903 243003 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ugh, I have no idea how the rules worked back in fourth ed
< 1421218909 590937 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even really want to know
< 1421218913 590574 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they didn't work
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< 1421219090 288112 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I wanted to say something about those keyword abilities you list
< 1421219106 131055 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I sort of like Covering, because it's similar to banding but simpler
< 1421219114 706450 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh. The total input plus output size *barely* fits into a single page on x86: it's 3979. So that explains the segfaults... they happen when the *next* page is accessed.
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< 1421219139 570494 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though of course I like banding for nostalgy reasons even if the rules for it are somewhat complicated (and I'm not even sure I understand them right, I'll have to re-read them)
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< 1421219254 503710 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think "retract" sound like a bad name for a keyword ability because it is one letter off from "retrace" and there's also a card named "Retrace" 
< 1421219282 250896 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So I believe I understand the program now, except perhaps the %65 (I have a calculation where the 65 comes out, but have not thought through an off-by-one phenomenon involved.)
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< 1421219387 292983 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: for "switchable", I sort of like the idea, but I think it would be better if defenses didn't have to be legal after you rearrange the creatures. 
< 1421219476 793205 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sort of how banding works as well: the defending player declares blockers ignoring banding, checking evasion and must block and other similar abilities; then creatures that block a creature in a band are magically set to block all other creatures in the band too, without checking anything.
< 1421219487 648635 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. But I might be misunderstanding the rules.
< 1421219499 275058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: fancy
< 1421219533 466666 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: apart from covering and switchable, I don't really like these keyword abilities at first look.
< 1421219544 364653 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that of course doesn't mean much.
< 1421219585 77838 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course you might want to list at least one example card for the keywords.
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< 1421219721 714388 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not at home right now so I will not fix it right now, although about changing the name it is correct.
< 1421219731 534085 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I actually thought of other ideas to change some of the things too
< 1421219739 590276 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1421219751 582940 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I can understand how banding works now and I do like it
< 1421219761 670295 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still needed to know how it used to work, due to a puzzle
< 1421219778 998898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like bandding as well, but probably partly for a nostalgy reasons
< 1421219806 737660 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :owww.  a=list(open('../fd/0'))
< 1421219821 85371 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I'm upset on how Benalish Hero is stripped of his well-deserved Hero title because Hero is no longer a creature type
< 1421219954 893558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: anagol programs run in /dev??
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< 1421220070 907970 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm not so sure that Hero is really a necessary creature type anyways, it doesn't seem to me working as well as using the more modern creature types, but I don't know entirely for sure. However, none of that changes the name of the card, so it still says "Hero" on the name, if you want it to say "Hero" on it.
< 1421220169 81104 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nope. they run on /golf/test, and there's a symlink in /golf
< 1421220190 451232 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's possible that at some point they were run in /dev or in /proc/self...
< 1421220210 987489 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, no, the latter is wrong
< 1421220236 404416 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1421220244 623362 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in /dev/shm  probably
< 1421220290 283932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1421220295 645398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, /dev/shm has fds in it?
< 1421220303 273431 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: note the ../
< 1421220331 171921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh
< 1421220332 678950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense.
< 1421220337 846358 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note also that I'm speculating about where the programs used to be run.)
< 1421220364 800743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
< 1421220370 712772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, the hero is still there in the name and flavor text
< 1421220555 605405 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the old banding cards are riddiculous of course. they're like “You may assign damage from blocking tapped Griffons you control as if creatures it blocks didn't have “bands with other Legends with plainswalk”.”
< 1421220640 704800 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen stuff like that
< 1421220648 302482 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the simple cards with ordinary banding that I like. I have a playset of Benalish Hero, and at least one of the bigger soldier, the griffon, the green elephant, the Helm of Chatzuk (or whatever is spelled), and maybe one or two others.
< 1421220773 228449 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some article by Wizards of the Coast I saw "Friendly Goblin" which has "Bands with other Minotaurs", and then discuss the rules below; they claimed how the older rules work, but now there are new rules for "bands with other" which are more sensible and this work in the better way.
< 1421220775 790442 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, that's an exaggeration. the actual bad cards are the _cycle_ of Cathedral of Serra, plus Shelkin Brownie and Great Wall
< 1421220807 897299 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, the way they errataed "bands with other" to be more powerful shows how riddiculous that ability used to be
< 1421220827 908883 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old rules said you could form bands only if _all_ creatures in the band had the same "bands with other" ability
< 1421220855 658934 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know that's how it worked before, and I know how it works now, too. I read about that.
< 1421220909 655876 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those riddiculous old cards are what Old Fogey parodies, and I for one think it's a great parody
< 1421220910 81856 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't mean I know how exactly banding used to work in general, only how "bands with other" creatures banded (which doesn't explain what it does, though, just what it bands with).
< 1421220911 989099 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/abs/1206.5184
< 1421220925 677726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ridiculous hth
< 1421220970 712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that is the Kolmogorov complexity of their Kolmogorov complexity is small" x_x
< 1421221080 130633 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, that suckiness of "bands with others" is relevant on only a few cards (besides Old Fogey), because the Cathedral of Serra cycle gives all the relevant creatures the ability, Master of the Hunt create tokens that used to have a unique creature type so they couldn't band with anything else anyway (it's no longer a creature type), and there's basically no other card with that ability
< 1421221211 302887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's a pegaus, Mesa Pegasus, not a griffin
< 1421221231 464612 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the banding elephant is white, not green
< 1421221248 921539 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a trained war elephant with someone sitting on it, not a wild elephant)
< 1421221271 116033 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's two bigger solders I've been confusing: Pikemen and Icatian Phalanx
< 1421221293 478049 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, there's a griffin too
< 1421221297 466774 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teremko Griffin
< 1421221510 236280 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once saw a scale where they guess how likely it is for certain things to be used again in later sets, on a scale of 1 meaning most likely and 10 meaning least likely; on that scale, "bands with other" is at 11. Nevertheless I may write some cards with banding and/or bands with other, too.
< 1421221510 395654 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means, incidentally, Shelkin Brownie is almost useless in the new rules,
< 1421221510 489797 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you have _one_ creature lose "bands with other", it can still band because the other creatures have it
< 1421221510 591638 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that it was useful before)
< 1421221510 702723 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just straight banding is great
< 1421221510 924786 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if we won't see it again
< 1421221515 687841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"with other legendary creatures" would be a good name for a band
< 1421221592 35579 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I also want to write a card with "protection from legendary".
< 1421221615 83638 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, we probably won't see Scryb Sprites again either, but that won't stop me from liking it and trying to use it in decks
< 1421221617 303359 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, "protection from legendary and planeswalkers"
< 1421221685 5030 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :protection from legendary? hmm... what color would that want to be?
< 1421221718 548409 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1421221739 596354 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of protection stuff seems to be in white but it can be in any colors.
< 1421221798 871253 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :White has the general "choose a color, ... has protection from that color" stuff, and prevention effects in general
< 1421221817 676979 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, Order of the Stars and any of the dozen instants or enchantments that give protection from chosen color
< 1421221849 429664 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all colors get specific themed protection effects
< 1421221977 565525 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course each color also has two opposites
< 1421222075 167118 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's why most color hosers like Honorable Scout go for opposite colors, though some go for neighbuoring colors
< 1421222080 983103 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :neighboring
< 1421222094 164425 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to learn to spell "neighbor" and "behavior" consistently in the american spelling
< 1421222117 431469 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't claim I'll try to learn that for the more complicated words too, just for the common ones "color", "neighbor", "behavior")
< 1421222170 386006 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can find white cards with protection from any colors, including white
< 1421222192 306760 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, because white gets all the preventation effects since the Circles of Protection
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< 1421222274 482318 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Searching for "legandary" in rules text, let's see. There's "Ayumi, the Last Visitor", Empress Galina, Feast of Worms, Hero's Demise (it doesn't kill Heros because they demoted Heros), 
< 1421222377 121985 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :White card with protection from white would also be protected from damaging itself, such as the "confusion" keyword I made up, and possibly also a few other cards
< 1421222395 782144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, Hero's Demise is p. different from Hero's Downfall
< 1421222414 174354 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Karakas, Livona Silone, 
< 1421222494 258518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What is the "confusion" keyword?
< 1421222510 183233 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tsabo Tavoc, Willow Satyr. wow, that's a lot of legend hosers.
< 1421222526 929625 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You would have to look it up on my computer
< 1421222541 907907 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Livona Silone/Livonya Silone/
< 1421222556 247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But I always lose the link.
< 1421222606 165878 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/cards.txt.
< 1421222618 878641 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, and Limited has a full Ward cycle, a cycle of one mana auras giving protection from a particualr color
< 1421222684 113548 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will probably change a few of the keyword abilities too. The names of "retract" and "switchable" probably should be changed, and for covering I intend to allow it to have something similar to forming bands but for blocking instead of attacking
< 1421222759 434915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You should teach HackEgo that link so I can fetch it when necessary.
< 1421222765 935750 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing I thought of is "protection from permanents". I think it would still allow you to play an Aura on such a card, but then the Aura is immediately going to be discarded. It might still be useful if it has modular or reduces the toughness of a creature, though.
< 1421222792 38727 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why don't you add the file to HackEgo? (Also, you should remove the extra period at the end please)
< 1421222822 298074 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Unquestioned Authority is one of the best cards that give protection
< 1421222826 230490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Your HTTP server seems to ignore trailing periods.
< 1421222872 800871 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Even if it does, please remove the trailing period anyways. Also please preserve the case of everything after the domain name, even though it ignores case too in most cases.
< 1421222895 642795 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, as I like protection, I hate "damage can't be prevented" effects that hose it
< 1421222904 97672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slashlearn zzo38mtg/http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/cards.txt
< 1421222908 386588 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «zzo38mtg»
< 1421222914 865979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe wisdom isn't the best place to put it.
< 1421222916 376328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well.
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< 1421223008 920432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Are you turning Arcbound Wanderer into double scoop french vanilla?
< 1421223048 277506 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also still like to see what tasks there might be for Magic: the Gathering. I suppose one task is positions where nobody knows whether or not it is a draw, because of some unsolved mathematical problem or something. Other tasks could be ones where you need to get priority during the cleanup step in order to win, or ones involving conceding.
< 1421223080 895425 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, because I don't like the way they originally designed it, which just doesn't make much sense to me and looks stupid to me.
< 1421223131 946969 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, it turns out that linux limits the number of mmap regions for each process. (Oddly, it returns ENOMEM when you reach the limit.) Fortunately, it can be increased with sysctl.
< 1421223166 34767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why does Persisting Torture have Unleash?
< 1421223191 229535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see, you might not want the counter.
< 1421223216 144273 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For one thing I think it makes it persist even more due to the rule that cancels out +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters.
< 1421223221 893446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can an aura ever block?
< 1421223238 881783 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, wait, and there was one more thing
< 1421223257 790852 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally, no, but I have deleted the rule that disallows auras that are also creatures from being immediately placed into the graveyard, therefore auras can block.
< 1421223285 396805 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Like I said I cannot fix this file now; maybe on weekend though, I am not at home right now.
< 1421223289 131103 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the overlay keyword seems a bit dangerous. is there really rules support for gaining all abilities of an arbitrary permanent?
< 1421223296 413822 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, no problem
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< 1421223327 642702 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe so, even though many abilities will do nothing on some permanents.
< 1421223332 39549 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: at least it shuold gain only its text box, not all abilities (including ones conferred from auras which may reference thos auras)
< 1421223379 361942 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did think of doing that but decided against it; however I may have been wrong
< 1421223398 805942 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps copy of what is in the text box is better (like how splice does)
< 1421223495 85736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you mind if I show some people that link?
< 1421223499 740673 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: think of copying from a creature that has a Nettlevine Blight linked
< 1421223507 865981 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/linked/attached/
< 1421223563 178415 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It is fine if you show it; it is all public domain. However be aware that the contents of the file are subject to being changed (although it is likely that much of it will be kept with only minor changes, this isn't completely guaranteed).
< 1421223571 64239 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also imagine a creature getting multiple characteristic-setting abilities that set its p/t. I think the rules handle it, but it's awkward, and even copying the text won't help that.
< 1421223572 905880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: How does Terrible Plan work?
< 1421223589 531849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not required to play it if you draft it, are you?
< 1421223601 276969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there's a reason why so far we only have "overwrite with copy plus this particular ability" effects and "gains all activated abilities of target" effects
< 1421223618 609039 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You aren't required to play it if you draft it, but if you don't, you won't get the ability of some other conspiracies that require that you *do* use all cards you draft!
< 1421223658 725021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there was that card that let you get any color of karma from basic lands.
< 1421223716 390706 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if it is a draft that includes both Emblegoyf and Terrible Plan, you might play it to give Emblegoyf +1/+1 at the cost of you lose 5 life points (although this still probably isn't the best strategy; although perhaps it helps with other cards too)
< 1421223774 252668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I wonder how that thing would work Nettlevine Blight
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< 1421223946 369915 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream
< 1421224004 394279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a question about Pact of Negation once: Are you required to pay mana for it at the beginning of your next upkeep if it's in your mana pool? If it isn't in your mana pool, are you required to activate mana abilities for it?
< 1421224020 530631 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason it says "pay ..." and not "you may pay ..."
< 1421224073 246683 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that you are never required to activate mana abilities even if something forces you to pay a cost with mana (in such a case, paying the cost fails).
< 1421224082 207763 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure, but I think this is how it works.
< 1421224181 348715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if the mana is in your mana pool, you're required to pay it?
< 1421224231 12432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even if you control a Platinum Angel, for instance?)
< 1421224252 503742 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I don't know.
< 1421224268 55964 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to use Gorgon's Touch on a Taunting Elf
< 1421224359 256991 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there's something about that in a faq iirc: it's deliberately mandatory to pay because otherwise tournament players would accidentally forget to announce that they pay before they untap and so lose the game on a technicality
< 1421224376 249555 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they didn't want to annoy players with that
< 1421224395 308302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You pay in your upkeep, but fair enough.
< 1421224401 818076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, ok
< 1421224404 421173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :before they draw
< 1421224409 438440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1421224417 654952 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's even more serious, because drawing gives you new information 
< 1421224423 442036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Making your pay before you untap would defeat the purpose.)
< 1421224432 154532 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1421224470 37533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you accidentally draw?
< 1421224513 142010 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm not quite sure, that's a tournament rules question not a comprehensive rules question
< 1421224516 778272 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you lose? I mean you saw the card, and thus have extra information.
< 1421224535 518533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I know, but you just brought it up. :-)
< 1421224537 796049 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which may affect how you pay the cost, for example.
< 1421224538 660649 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same as in any other card game I suppose?
< 1421224546 534014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Right.
< 1421224559 980013 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I imagine the judge would give you a warning and determine what you tapped to pay for it
< 1421224581 539607 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might be bad but not as bad as losing the game
< 1421224598 166280 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any mana abilities that care about your life total or cause you to gain life?
< 1421224617 129510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Shadowmonger would be interesting if any player could use the ability to add or remove Shadow until end of turn.
< 1421224626 943839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could call it Sneetch.
< 1421224655 495387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: almost. there's Grove of the Burnwillows
< 1421224673 815552 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, although why that name? I'm not complaining I just ask.
< 1421224695 879221 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there's also mana abilities with life payment costs, which sort of care because you can't pay if you ahve too few life
< 1421224719 254821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: After this book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sneetches_and_Other_Stories
< 1421224721 683323 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but those aren't the things I meant
< 1421224730 89340 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ah, OK
< 1421224744 158101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the first story in that book. I don't know if you've read it.
< 1421224753 719432 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never seen it
< 1421224922 181948 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the sest faq says "Paying the mana at the beginning of your next upkeep is not optional. However, playing mana abilities to generate the mana is optional. The effect can't force you to tap your lands, but it will force you to spend mana in your mana pool if you've generated enough."
< 1421224942 761755 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: about the Pacts
< 1421224974 385076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Ah, that answers my question.
< 1421224976 284740 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was actually my guess too
< 1421224991 943896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was my conclusion too when I was wondering about it a while ago.
< 1421225117 106917 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to make up a somewhat better puzzle which is based on puzzle.1 which I called puzzle.2 although it isn't particularly good either; at the bottom I listed some possible improvements.
< 1421225248 443742 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another kind of task might be a task where your cards in hand are same as opponent's cards in hand and your response is required to be the corresponding card based on what card opponent played. It is a little bit like a Babson task I suppose, but not really.
< 1421225280 645141 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_lambda_calculus
< 1421225282 670156 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap guys
< 1421225287 997 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is even shorter than Haskell's 23 byte long
< 1421225287 105899 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : nubBy(((>1).).gcd)[2..]
< 1421225302 840364 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the haskell one uses a bunch of high level prelude stuff..
< 1421225305 176397 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its still shorter
< 1421225382 411797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, you could probably write a haskell one that gets rather close
< 1421225386 579124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the fact that you won't have the bit encoding
< 1421225401 705077 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :really??
< 1421225402 419684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but representation things like that are a little cheaty as far as kolgomorov complexity goes
< 1421225415 616446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: well, worst case you can just write it as haskell lambdas with newtypes as necessarily :p
< 1421225421 222433 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "nubBy(((>1).).gcd)[2..]" * ceiling (logBase 2 (genericLength $ nub "nubBy(((>1).).gcd)[2..]"))
< 1421225422 836487 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 92
< 1421225424 201286 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats giong to be way longer!
< 1421225435 613191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it evens out for programs that aren't really short to start with
< 1421225444 338881 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But some such things are reason I want to invent a programming language for writing the rules of Magic: the Gathering and other similar kind of games and for the cards for them
< 1421225447 103692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you always get like at least over *8 just because of syntax
< 1421225456 407835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's kind of a boring way to win golf
< 1421225463 245315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I like BLC though
< 1421225491 989082 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of that article shouldn't be on wikipedia imo
< 1421225493 554097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be fun to have a bit strings <-> closed lambda terms bijection
< 1421225502 717366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in BCT they can be open too)
< 1421225599 791561 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did think of ideas of it, such as that the program consists of zero or more "extensions", so the programs form a idempotent commutative monoid, however some combinations of extensions are errors. Also, it somewhat resembles a kind of strongly-typed Lisp, and there is five kind of syntax elements: number, string, name, newname, compound.
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< 1421225750 923488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 an idempotent commutative monoid is usually called a (bounded) semilattice hth
< 1421225751 64396 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1421225753 394940 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Facebook has hashtags?
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< 1421225847 148464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 your document says "bands with othe" instead of "bands with other"
< 1421225847 230478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1421226448 984904 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... this is disappointig
< 1421226459 229476 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :txt <- readFile "src.hs"
< 1421226464 612371 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :writeFile target txt
< 1421226471 201489 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what happens?
< 1421226528 985522 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing :)
< 1421226571 261338 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like with multiple writeFile calls only the last writeFile is actually carried out
< 1421226609 338193 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :writeFile f s creates a file f containing s.
< 1421226621 971267 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle appendFile
< 1421226623 458419 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude appendFile :: FilePath -> String -> IO ()
< 1421226623 571867 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.IO appendFile :: FilePath -> String -> IO ()
< 1421226623 644422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.ByteString appendFile :: FilePath -> ByteString -> IO ()
< 1421226738 864250 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually writeFile replaces the contents if f already exists. How strange.
< 1421226823 888817 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1421226824 885330 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1421226830 138241 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1421226831 412988 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1421226839 620025 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suck :(
< 1421226889 110485 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1421226948 519167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote I suck
< 1421226949 517620 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1421226951 115979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1421226955 75464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there was a quite of almost exactly that
< 1421226959 965047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are the quotes so bad.
< 1421226967 575453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it's because of lazy IO
< 1421226975 53324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh uh
< 1421226978 701142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe lazy IO works fine there
< 1421226981 78768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's scary though
< 1421227079 744934 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo " Hello, world" | ./tromp
< 1421227098 307894 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : <- the first half of this byte is 0100 the identity function (= 'cat' program)
< 1421227105 600072 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :0010*
< 1421227414 243232 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/118411
< 1421227782 93970 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to write 'take 10' to get a finit list from the primer program
< 1421227805 184097 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 1000
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< 1421228123 968208 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is the input and output stream represented
< 1421228131 691264 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know the data formats
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< 1421228652 463853 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhi
< 1421228654 477734 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone good at BLC
< 1421228662 485909 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the data formats for input and output?
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< 1421230740 122945 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone help me with BLC
< 1421230753 972381 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo "\i (\c n n)" > four && cat parse.Blc four | ./tromp > four.blc
< 1421230760 68195 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it segfaults when i try to run it
< 1421230828 187589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_lambda_calculus#Binary_I.2FO this describes the IO btw
< 1421230845 878474 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks!!
< 1421230855 337593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it doesn't really
< 1421230864 221330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :z is soem terminator thing
< 1421230912 487328 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it to output 0 and 1 thanks
< 1421230934 489700 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/118412
< 1421230972 851279 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The z appearing in the above expression requires some further explanation."
< 1421230973 561357 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1421230978 754038 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is no further explanation
< 1421230979 152980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a combinatory logic system that doesn't have massive overhead over lambda terms?
< 1421230982 189664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe SK doesn't
< 1421230989 946297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :paging tromp__
< 1421230991 730374 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :overhead?
< 1421231007 610242 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok
< 1421231014 524004 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :because turning a lambda term into SK makes it bigger
< 1421231019 34221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1421231026 944869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like if you can avoid dealing with variable binding that is nicer
< 1421231059 13927 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it does go into more detail about z...
< 1421231118 870260 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :\i \z z (\x \y y) z
< 1421231120 782622 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :prints 0 forever
< 1421231172 23824 :Guest45037!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wgftzmsdytxyisae NICK :ocharles_
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< 1421235161 640839 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, someone had already computed a bunch of base 2,3 palindromes but didn't submit them to the OEIS.
< 1421235387 221788 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: where?
< 1421235409 618889 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: have you submitted yours by the way? I think at least one still fits
< 1421235632 17972 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's right there in the linked newsgroup thread, which I didn't read before.
< 1421235886 970053 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are all sequences on OEIS infinite?
< 1421235931 657517 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some are believed to be: http://oeis.org/A001220
< 1421235960 193909 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no, it has finite sequences
< 1421235984 205974 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: there is even a "fini" flag for sequences, I don't recall if it means it's finite or that all terms are listed
< 1421236001 247631 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the rule is that there has to be at least four terms listed
< 1421236039 257665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://oeis.org/eishelp2.html#RK , keywords "fini" and "full"
< 1421236072 207265 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: two glorious terms in the sequence!
< 1421236078 529344 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: interesting.
< 1421236085 903974 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, apparently it's not, because A029495 has only three terms
< 1421236096 905424 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, A001220 has only two
< 1421236097 483792 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1421236125 781821 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a couple of other sequences with only three
< 1421236154 10461 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and look A076337 has only one term listed
< 1421236159 886129 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any sequence with no term listed?
< 1421236181 800527 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A014127 has only two
< 1421236194 323617 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have the full database downloaded, so there might be more such things
< 1421236376 247546 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most frequent keywords are "nonn" and "easy" by the way
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< 1421250685 17694 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn* hello
< 1421250703 616492 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had my first Ring Theory lecture today
< 1421250709 21687 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing in it annoyed me
< 1421250720 821901 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :The definition of a ring slightly differs from the one I am used to
< 1421251022 19055 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the difference
< 1421251174 340790 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila, I'm used to multiplicative identity being a ring axiom, in the lecture it wasn't necessary for something to be a ring
< 1421251215 345154 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay Ring vs Rng
< 1421251273 314178 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rng_%28algebra%29
< 1421251297 594042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the silliest name.
< 1421252628 28618 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRNG-Algebra is my favorite kind of algebra.
< 1421253621 791915 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421254023 34360 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. There's a Codewars 'kata' to implement a befunge interpreter.
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< 1421257916 336910 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also 'rig': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rig_%28algebra%29
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< 1421259088 748769 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... some of the homeworks for cis194 are frankly inscrutable to me.
< 1421259133 498269 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cis194?
< 1421259152 889086 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1421259333 61296 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell course.
< 1421259341 137811 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~cis194/spring13/lectures.html
< 1421260102 842193 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :egotistical hacker, hmm. time to stop.
< 1421260118 797220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1421260170 416625 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1421260211 480899 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even remotely sure I've done this exercise properly yet.
< 1421260403 18130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1421260410 692493 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the phrase appears near the end of the second exercise sheet of that cis194 course.
< 1421260446 871723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1421260449 953798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite understand but okay
< 1421260467 200947 :arjanb!8259a9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.169.210 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421260539 343938 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: neither did I ;-)
< 1421260569 47120 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe it makes sense if one actually writes the (boring) log file parser stuff)
< 1421260732 295426 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blargh. I actually have no fucking clue how to use this data structure at all.
< 1421260745 163555 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It strikes me as needlessly arcane.
< 1421260755 702410 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :needlessly j_arcane?
< 1421260818 227549 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: which exercise?
< 1421260826 191184 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homework 2.
< 1421260835 228617 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :same one you just quoted.
< 1421261139 280181 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Exercise 6 makes more sense now.
< 1421261197 985828 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1421261198 136245 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1421261213 200100 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~cis194/spring13/extras/02-ADTs/error.log
< 1421261215 20259 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015-01-14 18:46:53 URL:http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~cis194/spring13/extras/02-ADTs/error.log [330827/330827] -> "error.log" [1]
< 1421261253 558667 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :< error.log grep ^'E [5-9][0-9]' | sort -n -k 3 | cut -d\  -f 4 | cut -c1
< 1421261261 843575 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` < error.log grep ^'E [5-9][0-9]' | sort -n -k 3 | cut -d\  -f 4 | cut -c1
< 1421261264 37213 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M \ A \ D \ H \ A \ T \ T \ E \ R
< 1421261443 612608 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1421261458 241900 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cute
< 1421261526 199133 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: it's just a standard binary search tree; you can think of Leaf as representing a null pointer.
< 1421261604 335155 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I don't really know what that means. Like, I sorta get part of the general principle of binary search, but beyond that I'm lost.
< 1421261615 126658 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So except for the bonus exercise, I think this is all ok.
< 1421261668 675478 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :To insert a key into a non-empty binary search tree, compare it to the key at the root; if it is smaller, insert it into the left subtree; otherwise, insert it into the right subtree
< 1421261694 900702 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's my understanding too. My solution here however is ugly and doesn't seem to recur properly.
< 1421261737 563470 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(usually we will then do some more work to keep the tree balanced, but if items arrive in a random order, the tree will be fairly balanced without that extra work)
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< 1421262018 939643 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what I have so far, but it's not chewing through a list properly: http://lpaste.net/118427
< 1421262081 610813 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: insert msg l <-- what happens to the right subtree if you do that?
< 1421262122 316154 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. That's a good question. I should properly be inserting into l, while keeping r. 
< 1421262192 552211 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha! Yes, that works. 
< 1421262243 386329 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing "Node (insert msg l) msg2 r" seems to recur properly, and indeed gives me a sorted list.
< 1421262340 544048 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to parse the Tree back out to a List.
< 1421262519 626752 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mike-worth.com/2013/03/31/baking-a-hello-world-cake/
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< 1421263799 548922 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. Finished it. Thanks for the help int-e 
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< 1421264414 900854 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's unfortunate that that exercise bakes the Unknown constructor into the LogMessage type
< 1421264530 105859 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :glguy: Yes. It makes the code a bit awkward, and makes GHC complain a lot about missing patterns that would never happen anyway.
< 1421264544 895567 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really should've been another message type like the others.
< 1421264586 552724 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: You've finished the whole week 2 assignment now?
< 1421264623 419616 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the insert function specifically
< 1421264873 528171 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1421264900 222790 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ran the tests to check for the result mentioned in ex. 6 even.
< 1421265094 172136 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend has suggested that Open Transport Tycoon may be Turing complete
< 1421265111 894713 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone who knows the game better have any information on the matter?
< 1421265483 185446 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ask zzo38
< 1421265502 739274 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, he's not online...
< 1421265519 859283 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask zzo38 Any idea whether Open Transport Tycoon is Turing complete?
< 1421265519 902490 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1421265541 159638 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's only pspace-complete or something like that though
< 1421265549 175062 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can emulate circuits
< 1421265554 712571 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(very inefficiently)
< 1421265572 707747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google openttd logic zem
< 1421265574 95739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/2005-10-21-ttd-logic
< 1421265574 139142 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Logic Gates in OpenTTD | 2005-10-21 | zem.fi
< 1421265579 723113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: courtesy fizzie ^
< 1421265605 501657 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, it's not zzo38 then but fizzie
< 1421265607 761223 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for the confusion
< 1421265714 199586 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ottd can emulate circuits
< 1421265716 316712 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
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< 1421278111 791565 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
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< 1421278447 954317 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoy.
< 1421278462 93519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoha
< 1421278488 919409 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, proofs that the calculus of construction is strongly normalizing.
< 1421278496 944804 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, syntactic ones.
< 1421278499 574287 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do those tend to go?
< 1421278596 877400 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know stuff about Open Transport Tycoon
< 1421278609 12400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION only knew that for simple types, and has forgotten even that.
< 1421278616 107486 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages-loud
< 1421278616 195214 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 14h 41m 5s ago: an idempotent commutative monoid is usually called a (bounded) semilattice hth
< 1421278616 238632 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 14h 39m 28s ago: your document says "bands with othe" instead of "bands with other"
< 1421278616 238751 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb asked 3h 38m 16s ago: Any idea whether Open Transport Tycoon is Turing complete?
< 1421278636 987255 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, sorry, b_jonas had you mixed up with fizzie 
< 1421278640 511997 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will fix my document when I am at home then
< 1421278665 420494 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there some formally defined class that's sort of like Turing completeness but is for finite things?
< 1421278707 863982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i guess there is something general for curry-howard isomorphic things based on consistent logics...
< 1421278896 295641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: NP-complete and PSPACE-complete are things that tend to be proved about finite (but unbounded) things
< 1421278933 932619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. generalized sudoku is NP-complete, sokoban is PSPACE-complete
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< 1421278981 790647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're classes that tend to show up, of course there are an infinite number of other steps in the hierarchy
< 1421278988 256639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hierarchies
< 1421279164 12346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: the problem is, if you have a class that only includes terminating computations, then it's either impossible to describe all elements effectively or you can adjust the proof of the halting problem to make a new class that is strictly larger
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< 1421279272 402977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, by being automatically terminating, the calculus of construction cannot contain all terminating computations
< 1421279334 211954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is handwaving something fierce here
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< 1421279442 193233 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My message about "sort of like Turing completeness" was about OpenTTD, not the CoC.
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< 1421279826 606221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i think i gave answers for both :P
< 1421279831 709340 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They didn't write the mana cost for "Friendly Goblin" so I made it up but I don't know if it is good
< 1421279839 614257 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny thing.
< 1421279869 931924 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So lemme think what the notation for all ordinals below the Feferman-Schutte ordinal would be.
< 1421279898 408164 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However such a thing would give you some advantage for playing more than one creature type
< 1421280066 695932 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every ordinal number has a Cantor normal form, but certain ordinal numbers have non-terminating Cantor normal forms.
< 1421280136 11500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: basically you get trouble once you get to something with alpha = omega^alpha
< 1421280142 211314 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1421280156 590289 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to have, say, alpha = omega^alpha + 1?
< 1421280170 745815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so
< 1421280186 695914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :omega^alpha >= alpha seems clear
< 1421280206 445288 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :omega^alpha >= alpha isn't obvious to me.
< 1421280239 42642 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Wikipedia does state something like that.
< 1421280248 274412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's true for limit ordinals if it's true for those below
< 1421280261 852416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because omega^ is continuous by definition
< 1421280281 32537 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every ordinal number has a "degree" under Cantor normal form. The degree of alpha is less than alpha, unless alpha = omega^alpha.
< 1421280303 181807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and omega^(alpha+1) = omega^alpha * omega > omega^alpha, (or so i hope)
< 1421280333 794939 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so here's our notation so far. If the ordinal number is greater than its own degree, write it in Cantor normal form. Otherwise, it's a fixed point of exponentiation with base omega.
< 1421280338 25118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so omega^(alpha+1) > alpha by induction, so >= alpha+1
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< 1421280378 626375 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case it's of the form phi_1(beta) for some ordinal number beta.
< 1421280400 304234 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we can just write it like that, unless it happens that beta = phi_1(beta).
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< 1421280424 797975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you make phi_alphas
< 1421280442 368278 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if that's the case, we can just write it as phi_2(gamma) for some ordinal number gamma. Unless it happens that gamma = phi_2(gamma).
< 1421280451 381164 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case you can move on to phi_3, then phi_4, and so on.
< 1421280484 979326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this works until you get to the sad state of phi_alpha(alpha) = alpha, or something like that
< 1421280501 494756 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WP says phi_alpha(0) = alpha.
< 1421280506 586075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1421280513 504093 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At which point we choose to give up.
< 1421280528 787265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't remember all that stuff
< 1421280588 26647 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there we go. All ordinals below Gamma_0 can be written in terms of natural numbers, addition, and the phi function.
< 1421280723 131122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um is there some phi thing for getting multiplication and exponentiation?
< 1421280771 497749 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1421280781 622916 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exponentiation, yeah. phi_0(alpha) = omega^alpha.
< 1421280787 807597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1421280808 441533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i guess you don't need multiplication because you only multiply by finite numbers
< 1421280811 780143 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiplication by a natural number is just repeated addition.
< 1421280823 327329 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And multiplication by an infinite ordinal might be exponentiation.
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< 1421280896 614819 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's probably easy to define arithmetic and ordering on these notations, or something.
< 1421280901 601232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1421280948 268229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still have the distributive law of multiplication
< 1421280968 983875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just need to be able to multiply phi terms
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< 1421281050 519803 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, every phi term is a fixed point of omega^.
< 1421281065 931682 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you multiply them by adding them and then omega^ing them.
< 1421281069 980688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1421281166 646515 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So gee, there definitely seems to be some regularity here.
< 1421281216 664805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sometimes a+b simplifies to b
< 1421281219 466073 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We seem to have a function fixedPoints : (Ord -> Ord) -> Ord -> Ord, which enumerates the fixed points of a function on the ordinal numbers.
< 1421281267 592375 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, not every function on the ordinal numbers has fixed points.
< 1421281299 604375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "continuous" ones do
< 1421281319 849354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuous increasing
< 1421281381 701436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and enumerating fixed points of a continuous increasing function gives another one such iirc
< 1421281383 952913 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And doesn't continuousness have some really simple definition? Like, a function is continuous iff the image of a limit is the limit of the images?
< 1421281401 568106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1421281419 611170 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekFood
< 1421281492 339700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where all the limits are usually increasing in practice, which means it's also just supremum
< 1421281498 843803 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1421281534 125186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's an ordinary topology except for the part of not being a set...
< 1421281576 275345 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let V_kappa be a model of ZFC.
< 1421281577 616396 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continue.
< 1421281681 990446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, open intervals are open.  and non-limit ordinal singletons are open because {alpha} = (alpha-1, alpha+1)
< 1421281721 303254 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, it's the order topology.
< 1421281833 35850 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. So, ordinal numbers below epsilon_0 have a certain obvious way to obtain a natural number by substituting a natural number for omega.
< 1421281841 894890 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just write it in Cantor normal form and then substitute.
< 1421281911 211158 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you extend that to the Veblen functions in an obvious way?
< 1421282220 816611 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's definitely a sort of correspondence between defining large ordinal numbers and just defining large natural numbers.
< 1421282239 166379 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, every natural number, in principle, has a definition.
< 1421282451 66888 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421282468 928614 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no results for "metacircular microsoft excel interpreter"
< 1421282517 511052 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421282829 746012 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to come up with a theory of arithmetic whose axioms are precisely those statements which are obviously true.
< 1421282835 40529 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's a problem with that idea.
< 1421282847 79695 :roasted42!~appleseed@41.48.16.48 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1421282852 756793 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose you have a theory T, whose axioms are precisely those statements which are obviously true.
< 1421282875 851007 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :T is obviously sound, meaning that T is obviously consistent, meaning that "T is consistent" is an axiom of T.
< 1421282888 88557 :roasted42!~appleseed@41.48.16.48 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421282903 191812 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so T is inconsistent. Crap.
< 1421282928 36210 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, that's the informal paradox.
< 1421282974 784671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the way around that is simply: T obviously has an infinite number of axioms
< 1421283002 268675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus you cannot formulate "T is consistent" hth
< 1421283024 840120 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can formulate "T is consistent" if T is definable, right?
< 1421283044 217285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now turn this around to a proof that T isn't definable hth
< 1421283061 407462 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1421283066 752142 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now...
< 1421283074 64614 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the smallest ordinal number that isn't arithmetically definable?
< 1421283091 870330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wilbur hth
< 1421283210 863362 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 and a quarter
< 1421283234 262017 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 and a quarter is the smallest ordinal number x such that x * 4 = 49.
< 1421283246 124257 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ordinality of the set of all microsoft excel programs
< 1421283390 445655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Jafet> Oh, someone had already computed a bunch of base 2,3 palindromes but didn't submit them to the OEIS. <-- those bastards!
< 1421283421 439771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Jafet <Jafet> Oh, someone had already computed a bunch of base 2,3 palindromes but didn't submit them to the OEIS. <-- those bastards!
< 1421283421 556504 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1421283574 753823 :GeekFood!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude
< 1421283874 900934 :zzo38!~zzo38@d99-199-112-63.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1421284570 477540 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night o/
< 1421284903 307308 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night?
< 1421285072 177215 :burper!~burper@modemcable082.140-131-66.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421285073 281600 :burper!~burper@modemcable082.140-131-66.mc.videotron.ca PART :#esoteric
< 1421285172 79812 :roasted42!~appleseed@41.48.16.48 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1421285201 212274 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here I go, trying to create the perfect programming language again.
< 1421285219 842308 :roasted42!~appleseed@41.48.16.48 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421285369 47551 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswello.
< 1421285401 832211 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the most important feeling you want to achieve in that programming language?
< 1421285445 445389 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an inclusion of colon
< 1421285464 846012 :roasted42!~appleseed@41.48.16.48 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1421285480 225084 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
< 1421285521 671855 :roasted42!~appleseed@41.48.16.48 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421285608 371339 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there collective nouns for punctuation symbols and syntactic features? a décalage of indentations? a surprise of exclamation marks?
< 1421285644 527295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty sure english collective nouns are just a kind of inside joke.
< 1421285729 709301 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a weirdness of Norwegians... :P
< 1421285738 218166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mainly because norwegian has no such ridiculous proliferation of specific-to-specific-nouns ones)
< 1421285790 733213 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoily.
< 1421285804 452577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're pretty happy to use "flokk" for almost any kind of bird or mammal
< 1421285850 781420 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be able to write anything clearly and concisely.
< 1421285858 942216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :insects do get "sverm" instead, i guess.
< 1421285874 442905 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far, this language looks so wonderful.
< 1421285878 21630 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a sample:
< 1421285910 753324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: are you implying that french has a similarly ridiculous collection?
< 1421285920 431230 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<module> {{ <inductive> List <:> Set -> Set <by> {{ empty <:> forall A : Set , List A ;; cons <:> forall A : Set , A -> List A -> List A ;; }} ;; }}
< 1421285928 119884 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll probably look better in the future.
< 1421285940 49403 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully.
< 1421285954 591610 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All those <:>s are bound to get obnoxious.
< 1421285999 113252 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far this language is just Coq with worse syntax.
< 1421286023 900757 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: never heard of any. we have the usual «troupeau», «cheptel» and similar. I'd say there are probably some weird cases, but then they are even more obscure than English ones.
< 1421286050 614888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
< 1421286057 335775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is forgetting to eat again
< 1421286059 623445 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stumbles upon the <:>es.
< 1421286072 149386 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had a hamburger.
< 1421286096 122025 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my dad was de passage in Montréal tonight. we had a beer and a hamburger each. it was good.)
< 1421286146 362020 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah, there's a «banc de poissons», «horde de caribous», «envolée de castors»...
< 1421286453 209206 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick! Give me a very complicated Algebra equation
< 1421286488 470369 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^x = x
< 1421286508 321702 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dies
< 1421286601 781219 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles Lilax
< 1421286619 909109 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no dying in this chännel. it is bad form!
< 1421286633 537510 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :This equation is rediculous!
< 1421286697 714510 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles Lilax again
< 1421286706 825225 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no mocking equations' feelings!
< 1421286727 465603 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/(x-1)+1/(x-2)+1/(x-3)=1/(x-4)-1
< 1421286801 557319 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder
< 1421286808 825476 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/(x-1)+1/(x-2)+1/(x-3)=1/(x-4)-1
< 1421286810 125121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:24: parse error on input ‘=’
< 1421286813 890476 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop
< 1421286822 484744 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't lambda the bot
< 1421287023 739635 :roasted42!~appleseed@41.48.16.48 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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< 1421287142 650024 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1421287143 213368 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 150100Z 34005KT 15SM SKC M17/M20 A3029 RMK SLP261
< 1421287263 207727 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
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< 1421287445 730272 :burper!~burper@modemcable082.140-131-66.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1421287447 12279 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to talk about Dark matter , Strange matter and other stuff at school but no one knows what I'm talking about 
< 1421287560 244074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: the joke is that e^x = x has no solutions hth
< 1421287561 206828 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421287584 529121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now wonders about complex numbers
< 1421287588 813554 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1421287718 267226 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lets solve for x
< 1421287725 151805 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of that equation
< 1421287755 627552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky
< 1421287877 213880 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying 
< 1421287884 661285 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION overheats
< 1421287903 780799 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421288174 658504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a+ib=e^a*cos(b) + i*e^a*sin(b)
< 1421288217 408785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a/e^a = cos(b), b/e^a = sin(b)
< 1421288293 389206 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dude, don't you know that one theorem?
< 1421288307 284174 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The function f(x) = e^x - x takes on every value except for at most one.
< 1421288308 444202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have known it at one time
< 1421288316 814726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that yes
< 1421288331 492603 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just have to show that the excluded value isn't 0.
< 1421288333 740767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem is, 0 could still be that one
< 1421288343 160986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or there could be _no_ excluded value
< 1421288354 115268 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, if there's no excluded value, then there's a root.
< 1421288396 156853 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I have no idea how to show that the excluded value isn't 0.
< 1421288401 536437 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is there really no answer?
< 1421288410 195555 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^x - x has exactly two roots, if I remember right.
< 1421288420 433767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: there is no answer for real numbers, because e^x > x always
< 1421288431 771571 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^e = e 
< 1421288435 334913 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :euh
< 1421288440 177706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: well they would have to be in pairs
< 1421288447 262903 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Complex conjugates.
< 1421288463 864554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: e isn't a variable, it's the number 2.718281828...
< 1421288469 658342 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^e = e means x is the eth root of e.
< 1421288535 186395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hum
< 1421288551 405700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er no
< 1421288557 794553 :roasted42!~appleseed@41.48.16.48 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1421288577 616118 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes the e is a number variable in that sense
< 1421288581 252681 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MITIGATED CHICKEN
< 1421288586 533411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp(exp(-1)) -- that one is easily solved anyway
< 1421288588 214583 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.444667861009766
< 1421288595 708667 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/kP3Wn2W.png This is what happens when you leave me in charge of mandelbrot generating :(
< 1421288615 927921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CrazyM4n: THE FOOLS
< 1421288619 365030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHOW THEM ALL
< 1421288634 285706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should check if girl genius has updated
< 1421288655 54861 :roasted42!~appleseed@41.48.16.48 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421288750 666057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh still another paper doll
< 1421289030 3734 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paper doll?
< 1421289048 341136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php
< 1421289191 226698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're doing an intermission between volumes with paper dolls of several characters, which is a little annoying since the last volume ended on a cliffhanger
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< 1421289284 270196 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of Kisekae set system.
< 1421289333 142302 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg cats
< 1421289376 204934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's only one cat character, but he's getting all of today's page
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< 1421289882 721774 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/puFdPvr.png some fractal geek would probably be able to tell me what happened :P
< 1421289927 903222 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1421289943 345697 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, geek is my name
< 1421289959 930386 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened there is called rasterization
< 1421290126 356529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think he's referring to that, GeekDude
< 1421290154 558664 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he did summon geek
< 1421290220 186283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CrazyM4n: showing your code might have better odds hth
< 1421290232 804363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i do know what the formula for mandelbrot _should_ be)
< 1421290234 336846 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/CrazyM4n/5f1f962a39486f3e2baa
< 1421290242 877449 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore the defines
< 1421290252 496627 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are irrelevant lol
< 1421290258 959831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh C++
< 1421290268 678043 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gross I know
< 1421290311 249225 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't, for the life of me, figure out the problem. it should work, but it just *doesn't*
< 1421290329 128920 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's still really cool tho so I'm not too mad
< 1421290393 779689 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :>=2? isn't the standard >4?
< 1421290431 163104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CrazyM4n: the last thisComplex in thisComplex = lastComplex * lastComplex + thisComplex; should be the _starting_ thisComplex hth
< 1421290447 236681 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn you're right
< 1421290480 908810 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is like a mandelbrot fractal with an evolving seed. coooool
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< 1421290544 294104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CrazyM4n: that's like the fibonacci of mandelbrots :P
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< 1421290626 699696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude: it's real^2 + imaginary^2 >4, but abs also takes square root
< 1421290656 642263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which btw is a little inefficient
< 1421290677 940995 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :a^2 + b^2 == c^2, and sqrt(4) is 2, so...
< 1421290682 304605 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :it checks out
< 1421290698 322968 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have some optimizations to make to my assembly ¬_¬
< 1421290724 334079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, because of this?
< 1421290753 431786 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo it works now
< 1421290758 249642 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks oerjan :D
< 1421290758 335497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1421290763 958693 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wrote a mandelbrot renderer in assembly
< 1421290775 596467 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I have a darn off-by-one error to fix somewhere
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< 1421295389 153229 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://i.imgur.com/RY9wjd2.png (Not my assembly version)
< 1421295406 918035 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a mandelbrot render where I redid one of the constants (I forget which)
< 1421295431 541610 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me vaguely of some kind of animal
< 1421295529 681140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the red fuzzy two-headed toad
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< 1421295992 757416 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :wot
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< 1421297011 28950 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Codename: CRAWL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41683&oldid=41682 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-17) 10/* External resources */ Wayback
< 1421297396 43431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _could_ add the modern avida homepage which is in a completely different place; this won't help with the fact that the esolang's own specification is absent.
< 1421297471 877647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the link that once was there hasn't been preserved on wayback)
< 1421297514 940566 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 NICK :MDream
< 1421297594 505484 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm XML parsing documents were an absolute waste of my day
< 1421298283 908791 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Codename: CRAWL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41684&oldid=41683 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+335) 10explain sorry state; although found something in the old forum
< 1421298453 828001 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Codename: CRAWL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41685&oldid=41684 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+20) 10Some tense changes seem in order
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< 1421299992 143266 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaay off by one errors
< 1421300020 501164 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My program is really picky about when it wants to offset everything by one
< 1421300026 447291 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends on what input you use
< 1421300048 571120 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not in the perfect range it spits in your face
< 1421300126 134544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the same program from the gist?
< 1421300159 614942 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've fixed it up a ton but yeah
< 1421300306 492359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wild guess could it be that floating point errors cause it to sometimes get slightly < xRight and sometimes slightly > xRight, or similar for y?
< 1421300333 379251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :such that it is unpredictable whether it includes ~ xRight or not
< 1421300364 16782 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, that's what I thought originally
< 1421300370 663367 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But changing it to <= doesn't help
< 1421300388 713915 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is nowhere near the range that I should start having floating point errors on doubles
< 1421300390 113905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it wouldn't help if you were right either
< 1421300405 706987 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1421300424 192899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well hm
< 1421300437 887861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do the off-by-one errors manifest?
< 1421300453 142703 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/CrazyM4n/3e8214a45d89f89f79b1 This is what I have right now
< 1421300471 219799 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what happens is that occasionally it'll just generate one too little pixel per row
< 1421300479 420880 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in turn it skews the whole image
< 1421300531 760929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that could be explained by floating point error as i said.  and <= wouldn't help.
< 1421300559 568814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless xStep is a power of 2, you _will_ get some errors.
< 1421300569 70759 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was floating point error, it wouldn't be so reliably wrong though, would it?
< 1421300583 867909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it would be realiable per image...
< 1421300588 430098 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, it when it's skewed, no rows have the occasional correct pixel 
< 1421300591 857920 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pixel count
< 1421300613 702083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's as expected, because in each row the x variables are exactly the same
< 1421300659 461177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a non-deterministic error
< 1421300675 936425 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see what you're saying
< 1421300684 763805 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get it now
< 1421300687 517897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends only on the relationship of xLeft, xRight and xStep
< 1421300728 31369 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite a problem
< 1421300738 336516 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :CrazyM4n: http://i.imgur.com/RY9wjd2.png
< 1421300743 954392 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1421300751 128423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest perhaps using an integer counter and multiplying instead
< 1421300754 583460 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that was a mandelbrot render gone awry ;)
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< 1421300768 233517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least using an integer counter to test for stopping
< 1421300795 266686 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I could also go the cheap way, and just introduce the same floating point error in the xPixels
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< 1421300835 663242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CrazyM4n: oh actually you could use the ugly trick haskell uses for floating Enums
< 1421300859 455588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :real < xRight + xStep / 2
< 1421300880 353111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is precisely for preventing this sort of thing
< 1421300907 778994 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's terribly ugly. Disgusting, even!
< 1421300913 91660 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm using it.)
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< 1421301019 146018 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaand still broken. This time it's generating an extra pixel though.
< 1421301026 705202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1421301033 28284 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1421301040 671411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :change + to - :P
< 1421301077 246436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell ranges are meant to be inclusive
< 1421301081 951217 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get how that'd work but whatever, I'm trying it anyway
< 1421301109 985717 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... wow
< 1421301131 897903 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It worked perfectly
< 1421301136 352341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1421301149 659375 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was such an elegantly lazy solution I'm honestly kind of taken aback
< 1421301261 67932 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go to sleep, thanks for that though :P
< 1421301268 610649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome :)
< 1421301299 68968 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnight
< 1421301304 433605 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PART #esoteric :"aaaa"
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< 1421303652 530747 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ComeFrom14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41686&oldid=35584 5* 03DDR 5* (+207) 10Added note about ComeFrom 2.
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< 1421305043 603813 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ComeFrom214]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41687 5* 03DDR 5* (+1524) 10Added a very brief page on CFL2.
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< 1421307029 273979 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I forgot about Krosp... will there be a real comic this week?
< 1421307109 894144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well krosp _was_ the last character to have a role in the play
< 1421307156 62983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1421307163 99112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stepmother
< 1421307190 165091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(played by gkika i think)
< 1421307203 959508 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-16-159.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421307219 838534 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, she was done before the daughters
< 1421307267 601944 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no
< 1421307313 219517 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is confused about the number of characters now.
< 1421307474 959649 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, of course.
< 1421307526 180967 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how could I forget the quilting bees
< 1421307530 348331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1421307755 113384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think she's the only major character left
< 1421307806 679801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they're going to do clanks and servants
< 1421307859 223705 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope not
< 1421307870 845180 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we might not see a new story arc till next year...
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< 1421307912 415516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish
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< 1421313330 768758 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-16-159.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have several ideas about programming language to make up rule of Magic: the Gathering and other stuff, which now I think can be called RULECARD. You can tell me if it look OK to you, if you have other idea about it, etc. One thing would be: You do not need to declare a string to add it to a pool; it is added automatically if used where a string belonging to that pool is expected, but the pool itself must still be declared.
< 1421313472 874650 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-16-159.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When defining a data type, you can declare it as final. If declared as final, all declarations of that type must be equivalent; otherwise they don't have to be and all are put together, however in such a case none of the declarations of the type are allowed to be final. String pools are never final, the integer type is always final, and some but not all built-in types are final.
< 1421313560 239698 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-16-159.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Host types should also always be final.
< 1421313601 233385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I've wondered about such a language before.
< 1421313635 611836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to figure out what you mean without some context about yoru idea for the language.
< 1421313707 375489 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-16-159.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Host types would be definable using host macros, and are opaque to everything else in the program. Host macros can be defined in an external file, and are not considered a part of the rules of the game, and are only needed to implement the game on a computer. If you are playing the game without a computer, host macros are unimportant and are not needed.
< 1421313866 342236 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-16-159.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, I don't have a lot of context really, but I would think it would resemble a kind of strongly typed Lisp.
< 1421314098 365248 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://darksky.slac.stanford.edu/simulations/ds14_a/ wat
< 1421314184 210997 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-16-159.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What things are you saying is hard exactly, what question you have, I can try to answer it more specifically?
< 1421314817 248585 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421314873 518320 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :31TB? Must be heavily compressed
< 1421314892 542260 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1421314913 536376 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there already a C-to-Brainfuck-Compiler out there?
< 1421314921 114359 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1421314939 637580 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/g 58
< 1421314941 252995 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ww
< 1421314953 210292 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :c2bf compiles a little bit of C.
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< 1421315157 96150 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so probably it would be worth writing an LLVM-Backend like Emscriptem
< 1421315169 21191 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will add that to my .plan
< 1421315188 44929 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Could take some Months/Years until i get to it, but hey… better than no Plan ;-))
< 1421315195 238727 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION structured Procrastinator
< 1421315864 386570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 had a gcc backend for it
< 1421315871 92004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome APic
< 1421315884 10737 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04APic: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13<http://esolangs.org/>. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 06esoterica, 13try 04#esoteric 07on 08irc.dal.net.)
< 1421316071 74632 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-16-159.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard that LLVM doesn't optimize brainfuck codes particularly well because it wasn't designed to do so. Additional optimizers might be written though, that would allow codes compiled from brainfuck to work better, possibly.
< 1421316217 232389 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hthere was a good blog post about brainfuck optimization
< 1421316226 922742 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :their idea was to add new bytecode instrucitons to handle optimizations
< 1421316246 284996 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's a good start, then trying to go higher level by doing analysis of the code
< 1421316567 426722 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Thanks
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< 1421319324 965296 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-16-159.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to make the program to optimize a .XM music file by combining, splitting, rearranging, and changing patterns in the file?
< 1421319570 711891 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-16-159.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First it should unroll all loops and put all rows into one large list, with a song repeat point somewhere inside of the list, and then what next?
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< 1421322216 728427 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-182-072.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it’s a thing to create a pipe and then forkexec with an arg that points the program at the relevant pipe fd to grab its output, when that must stay independent of stdout and stderr.
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< 1421322512 975517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: yes, that is a thing
< 1421322526 284901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: you can use either a filename or a file descriptor name
< 1421322562 353853 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: just make sure to keep your close-on-exec flags straight and close unnecessary handles in the parent process, or else you'll leak file descriptors which can cause undesirable side effects like missing EOFs or worse
< 1421322577 844629 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 'hello'
< 1421322578 309514 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hello
< 1421322582 549664 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-182-072.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking like passing /proc/self/fd/42 .
< 1421322591 427703 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-182-072.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever fd you happen to get.
< 1421322592 694517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: if it helps, j-bot here ^ passes a file descriptor number
< 1421322595 189408 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes
< 1421322595 621193 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !
< 1421322647 156432 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the bot parent process to each interpreter process, in a command-line argument
< 1421322675 92598 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-182-072.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant without the child process being set up to do this.
< 1421322693 258455 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: you can try it even without
< 1421322714 344653 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: recent versions of bash actually have some helping syntax for this:
< 1421322716 603047 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-182-072.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just using /proc/self/fd/ to point it at a file descriptor one has made sure to leave open.
< 1421322743 772410 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo <(echo Hi!)
< 1421322744 467949 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/dev/fd/63
< 1421322761 991877 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat <(echo Hi!)
< 1421322762 674071 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi!
< 1421322780 303171 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-182-072.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that actually does that. Nice.
< 1421322785 633527 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of explicitly giving file descriptor numbers like ( someprogram --magical_fd=6 6<somefile ) you can use shell parameters something like ( someprogram --magical_fd=$magical {magical}<somefile )
< 1421322973 680507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` help coproc # hmm
< 1421322974 205714 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coproc: coproc [NAME] command [redirections] \     Create a coprocess named NAME. \      \     Execute COMMAND asynchronously, with the standard output and standard \     input of the command connected via a pipe to file descriptors assigned \     to indices 0 and 1 of an array variable NAME in the executing shell. \     The default NAME is "COPROC
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< 1421328721 553663 :TieSleep!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul
< 1421328728 471781 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1421328880 840131 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1421329179 679065 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 NICK :MDude
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< 1421330715 575204 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so calculus 2 end of course exam today
< 1421330721 652075 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to fail
< 1421330807 528151 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :why??
< 1421330916 483518 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I only know calc 1 
< 1421330930 497464 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the second course is a lot harder
< 1421330949 725255 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't Take that class but still they make me ;-;
< 1421331017 396277 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it starts at 7 in the morning so I'm gonna be half dead
< 1421331187 619602 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :get to bed early]
< 1421331219 304421 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its 6 am right now and I'm on the bus
< 1421331228 535667 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :Headed towards school
< 1421331234 644564 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no :*(
< 1421331241 658636 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways
< 1421331255 277208 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atleast multiple choice is an option
< 1421331308 216538 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways
< 1421331320 557175 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye o/
< 1421331349 57381 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye]
< 1421332121 404589 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :GL
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< 1421333842 904122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ghc -ignore-dot-ghci -XSafe Unsafe.hs -e "uc 'a' :: Int"
< 1421333845 351195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :97
< 1421334170 70838 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: tell me more?
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< 1421335712 218461 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this is not fair. I *know* that unsafeCoerce is sufficient for unsafePerformIO so I need to know whether this works in lambdabot.
< 1421335751 375581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Not sure if I should tell people details right away since it's a security bug.
< 1421335761 159384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess you'd be one of the people affected...
< 1421335826 959257 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be happy to know whether this relies on some particular extension or library that I could disable.
< 1421335898 560241 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whether it comes down to pulling the plug on @run
< 1421335916 178172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the whole thing was in a sandbox anyway?
< 1421335959 54491 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a VPS that nothing else is running on. I'm not too keen on reinstalling that from scratch.
< 1421335971 844539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether anyone other than lambdabot relies on SafeHaskell.
< 1421336181 805728 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: brb
< 1421336187 350484 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may be some web services
< 1421336451 860612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421336579 458976 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess you're right, I should add an actual sandbox layer.
< 1421336600 879061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :run lambdabot inside HackEgo hth
< 1421336702 900426 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ghc --version
< 1421336703 570088 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: ghc: command not found
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< 1421337069 743704 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekAfk
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< 1421346683 51279 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio
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< 1421348145 867621 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :when creating a new language article on the wiki, should one use the year the language was designed or the current year (year it was first published)?
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< 1421349507 271481 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1421351474 139899 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as someone who has used the wiki upwards of 5 times, i would say "who cares"
< 1421351643 740168 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say you should put the year in unix time
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< 1421353368 744505 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"head is a mistake! It should not be in the Prelude. Other partial Prelude functions you should almost never use include tail, init, last, and (!!). From this point on, using one of these functions on a homework assignment will lose style points!"
< 1421353380 24397 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o That's an ... interesting assertion.
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< 1421353884 243981 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1421353928 716284 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know how people expect to use total functions all the time in a language wthout dependent types or similar
< 1421353952 468751 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't express enough in the haskell type system to stick to that doctrine
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< 1421354565 228000 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: that sounds a bit dogmatic
< 1421354768 853969 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> init . tails $ [1,2,3]
< 1421354770 270433 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1,2,3],[2,3],[3]]
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< 1421354779 900299 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> init . tails $ []
< 1421354781 275613 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : []
< 1421354803 467861 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tails . init $ [1,2,3]
< 1421354805 229776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1,2],[2],[]]
< 1421354843 165502 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: well I was trying to make a point that "init" and "tail" can be used as building blocks of total functions.
< 1421354866 380196 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tail . inits $ [1,2,3] -- there's this counterpart, too.
< 1421354867 965130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1],[1,2],[1,2,3]]
< 1421354882 746609 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :> inits . tails $ "qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm"
< 1421354884 222513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[],["qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm"],["qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm","wertyuiopa...
< 1421354912 449647 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (>>= init . tails) . tail . inits $ [1,2,3]
< 1421354913 904318 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1],[1,2],[2],[1,2,3],[2,3],[3]]
< 1421354918 371715 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1421354919 526674 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1421354985 594560 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would agree that (!!) tends to be a special purpose operator
< 1421355029 427815 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ((0:) . scanl (+) 1) !! 10
< 1421355030 891866 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 55
< 1421355047 385638 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ((0:) . scanl (+) 1)
< 1421355051 369064 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,...
< 1421355135 528032 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mainly because when find yourself using !! a lot, lists are probably the wrong data structure to use)
< 1421356202 689162 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bugger it. I am too fucking braindead to do this homework right now. My brain keeps running in circles.
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< 1421356499 53045 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03TrudyWordzvqxsgm 5*  10New user account
< 1421356503 605113 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Abuse filter 5*  10blocked [[02User:TrudyWordzvqxsgm10]] with an expiry time of indefinite (account creation disabled): Automatically blocked by abuse filter. Description of matched rule: first edit is to user page and contains spambot-like use of br tag
< 1421356825 416226 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :br tag??
< 1421356838 615776 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know my rights and the BR tag is one of hem
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< 1421357471 380630 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lord, I see by a peek ahead to HW4 that my friend the binary tree comes back to visit again. XD
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< 1421365234 900920 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :<quintopia> when creating a new language article on the wiki, should one use the year the language was designed or the current year (year it was first published)?
< 1421365256 912587 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :year of design obviously, brainfuck's in [[Category:1993]] rather than 200whatever
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< 1421373390 198289 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-128-190.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever make up your own kind of Magic: the Gathering card and/or Pokemon card and/or other card game?
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< 1421376759 125723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1421381782 16711 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ntvpowwqbkuoqwnt PRIVMSG #esoteric :Security issues?
< 1421382027 775417 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ntvpowwqbkuoqwnt PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder I why it says I've been online for -9000 seconds
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< 1421383220 284054 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a very short time
< 1421383818 350265 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ntvpowwqbkuoqwnt PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes indeed
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< 1421405818 554913 :elliott_!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kline: good nick for that
< 1421405827 821287 :kline!~kline@unaffiliated/kline PRIVMSG #esoteric ::>
< 1421405831 839717 :kline!~kline@unaffiliated/kline PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on a true story
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< 1421417121 130987 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sgzvelladezeliry JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421417128 388662 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sgzvelladezeliry PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahaha I passed
< 1421417150 726304 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :great!
< 1421417164 909467 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: passed what?
< 1421417185 242115 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sgzvelladezeliry PRIVMSG #esoteric :The calculus exam
< 1421417192 664939 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet! congratas!
< 1421417198 49851 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats*
< 1421417264 493080 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sgzvelladezeliry PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now i have a better chance at college so that's fun
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< 1421417833 90022 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great!
< 1421419891 415806 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1421421712 915286 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\c -> (\c -> c) 3) 5
< 1421421714 243763 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3
< 1421421719 766140 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1421422074 931441 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421422230 870470 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pattern syntax in expression context:
< 1421422232 23058 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaaat
< 1421422859 28550 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell found a hole
< 1421422860 183575 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...
< 1421422860 874490 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so?
< 1421422932 895405 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a hole anyway?
< 1421423219 426496 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul_
< 1421423233 965539 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul
< 1421423271 789278 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> _a + 1
< 1421423273 94420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Found hole ‘_a’ with type: a
< 1421423273 245002 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Where: ‘a’ is a rigid type variable bound by
< 1421423273 245160 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :            the inferred type of it :: a at Top level
< 1421423296 671996 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fixed*
< 1421423303 839848 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> _ + (1 :: Int)
< 1421423304 918382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Found hole ‘_’ with type: GHC.Types.Int
< 1421423319 903939 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1421424417 996559 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1421424420 505813 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wave energy plants
< 1421424423 603714 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds somewhat promising
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< 1421427376 680543 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> _ >>= modify (+1)
< 1421427378 283824 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘m b’ with ‘()’
< 1421427378 434270 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: a0 -> m b
< 1421427378 434478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   Actual type: a0 -> ()
< 1421427390 702631 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> _ >> modify (+1)
< 1421427392 125784 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Found hole ‘_’ with type: m a0
< 1421427392 276281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Where: ‘a0’ is an ambiguous type variable
< 1421427392 276417 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :        ‘m’ is a rigid type variable bound by
< 1421427480 936687 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesnt tell me much, no constraints imposed by "modify"?
< 1421427487 108086 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not numeric constraint?
< 1421427824 536475 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :oi5jf938hf
< 1421427863 621116 :oi5jf938hf!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PART #esoteric :"http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."
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< 1421429740 711129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/10000
< 1421429777 738486 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :You did it!
< 1421429877 497439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :frabjous day
< 1421429915 616115 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers
< 1421429923 89070 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :e::Send,% (!e?("e",e:=StrSplit(Clipboard),i:=1,s:=0,d:=10):((c:=e[i++])~="\d"?("e",s+=d--*c):(c="x"?("e",s+=d--*10):(c=""?(!Mod(s,11),e:=""):("e")))))
< 1421429936 502666 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA how to validate ISBNs with one line of AutoHotkey code
< 1421430131 382748 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's way too long
< 1421430138 705404 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it can be made shorter
< 1421431007 541324 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :In AutoHotkey?
< 1421431010 557051 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see you try
< 1421431025 396544 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: I know I can shave a few chars off at least)
< 1421431144 729256 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, since X is only valid as a last character I can take out the d--*10 and replace it with just 10 while still maintaining usability
< 1421431239 875417 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how much shorter it would be in J
< 1421431248 213544 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :much, much shorter
< 1421431280 666109 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0 = 11 | [: +/ (|. >: i.10)*(0".&>}:),0".' 10'"_^:('X'&=)@:{:)@:(-.&'-') '0-7475-3269-9'
< 1421431326 679115 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno if that's the best solution in J
< 1421431331 287578 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only one I found so far
< 1421431354 109715 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :much easier in apl, though. Two lines: `S ← 0 7 4 7 5 3 2 6 9 9` and `0=11∣+/(1+⍳10)×⌽S`
< 1421431446 754149 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can probably take some of the parentheses out of my solution sa well
< 1421431776 395872 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1421431846 81717 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let check x=last x=="0123456789X"!!mod(sum$zipWith(*)[1..9]$x>>=map fst.reads.(:[]))11 in check "0-306-40615-2"
< 1421431847 436943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : True
< 1421431905 673262 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude: what about the X in the APL code?
< 1421431914 351830 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure
< 1421431918 137359 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't read APL
< 1421431931 326020 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's handled
< 1421431955 530465 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/dailyprogrammer/comments/2s7ezp/20150112_challenge_197_easy_isbn_validator/
< 1421432064 156609 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so few people using the fact that negating [10,9..1] gives [1..10]...
< 1421432072 408491 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(modulo 11)
< 1421432130 624023 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, this is as short as it gets:
< 1421432132 29099 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :e::Send,% !e?(r:="e",e:=StrSplit(Clipboard),i:=s:=0,d:=10):(c:=e[++i])~="\d"?(r,s+=d--*c):c="x"?(r,s+=10):!c?(!Mod(s,11),e:=""):r
< 1421432142 438600 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, as far as I'm taking it
< 1421432263 92792 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude: instead of s+=10, you can do s--
< 1421432274 397267 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh?
< 1421432279 304946 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo 11
< 1421432282 47882 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking advatnage of mod
< 1421432284 451057 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :advantage*
< 1421432287 806294 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good idea
< 1421432308 408596 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really read that code (never mind write it), so I'll leave it at that :)
< 1421432319 849785 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the idea actually works, so +1 to int-e
< 1421432357 707992 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: http://ahk.us.to/?p=046341
< 1421432360 273861 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps that'll help
< 1421432418 474046 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric ::= is assignment and = is case-insensitive equivalence check
< 1421432451 697297 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't updated that expansion with the latest "optimizations" yet, however
< 1421432523 774505 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, bool values just act as if-then-else?
< 1421432700 357946 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421432768 925604 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ternary
< 1421432838 508753 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421432864 421536 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does a general purpose programming language with no operators (as in, {, }, +, etc) count as esoteric?
< 1421432930 209845 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric : GeekDude: Does your solution verify that the ISBN is exactly ten digits?
< 1421432937 981238 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow, wrong channel
< 1421432949 774808 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, nope; It's the right one
< 1421432954 494450 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: you're in the esoteric channel
< 1421432967 752472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome JesseH
< 1421432969 886775 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :glguy: No, but does it really need to?
< 1421432980 478752 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw the title and wondered what it had to do with esolangs
< 1421432981 618683 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your goal to validate ISBNs?
< 1421432984 517238 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09JesseH: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08<http://esolangs.org/>. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06irc.dal.net.)
< 1421433029 345508 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :glguy: My goal is to complete the challenge in one line, a goal which I've already done to a pretty alright degree
< 1421433030 500836 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :glguy: I think we only meant to cover the part that can't be checked at a glance
< 1421433042 328445 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :glguy: i.e. the tedious modulo 11 calculation
< 1421433072 595427 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waiting on response to my question so I can share. :P
< 1421433097 734642 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Given the following constraints of the ISBN number, you should write a function that can return True if a number is a valid ISBN and False otherwise." and then it immediately lists a constraint "An ISBN is a ten digit code which identifies a book."
< 1421433115 706615 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1421433124 708335 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's a voluntary problem, so do whatever, but I can't imagine why you wouldn't actually validate it
< 1421433131 648347 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To verify an ISBN you: obtain the sum of 10 times the first digit, 9 times the second digit, 8 times the third digit... all the way till you add 1 times the last digit. If the sum leaves no remainder when divided by 11 the code is a valid ISBN."
< 1421433142 653981 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :glguy: know a free database of assigned ISBNs?
< 1421433143 687232 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 times the last digit
< 1421433145 877773 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not specify that I have to make sure it's ten digits to verify it
< 1421433166 895687 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :It specifies that you should continue until the last digit is multiplied by 1
< 1421433172 507095 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: Esoteric: Intended for or understood by only a particular group
< 1421433186 84110 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides we should all use the 13 digit ISBNs now
< 1421433235 804036 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude, I've made a lang and announced here before, but I'm wondering if a certain lang would fit as esoteric if it's intended to be general purpose.
< 1421433242 196859 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: also, according to the wiki: "An esoteric programming language is a computer programming language designed to experiment with weird ideas, to be hard to program in, or as a joke, rather than for practical use."
< 1421433255 28020 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, then this should count
< 1421433270 523106 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/jessehorne/noops
< 1421433287 213000 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone here think RainMeter gets way to close to programming territory with its configuration files?
< 1421433295 633167 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I "configured" it to pull xkcd comics
< 1421433328 463568 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: What do you have against freenode?
< 1421433342 708441 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to raise controversy.
< 1421433364 63913 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have several channels here, but I'm looking to support the another network.
< 1421433425 133887 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a vague specification for noops?
< 1421433479 322324 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking about it!
< 1421433493 325244 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and can we limit the character set to alphanumeric?
< 1421433529 660240 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup! Also I don't really care where noops goes, but I guess a vague spec would be in order.
< 1421433533 516873 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. https://twitter.com/fmavituna/status/555769470321688576
< 1421433534 507680 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of using commas and bangs, we can do "comma is chr44"
< 1421433537 116114 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :then use the comma variable
< 1421433554 546783 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, that's what I should say instead of no operators, because is is technically an operator
< 1421433569 162808 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Think that was intentional?
< 1421433580 414289 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: alphanumeric only
< 1421433590 972196 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe "no symbols"
< 1421433600 60345 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me update it
< 1421433617 599279 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :be aware that my suggested changes breaks your examples :P
< 1421433635 449621 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1421433639 16784 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where do I get a lua interpreter at
< 1421433647 979907 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude: that's a good question
< 1421433655 133541 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :lua.org?
< 1421433660 362145 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreekDude: yup, OS?
< 1421433663 935195 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win7
< 1421433665 994076 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it wouldn't break my examples
< 1421433685 9910 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would add to the language.
< 1421433686 534207 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it would, your commas and exclamation points would now be invalid
< 1421433695 110381 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, good point
< 1421433701 755951 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a liar, I must update the repo!
< 1421433806 22486 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41689&oldid=41592 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+120) 10added External resources, link to implementation
< 1421433822 367173 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, lua installing
< 1421433838 264466 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's 5.3 and it doesnt work, let me know. It should be 5.2
< 1421433844 371425 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of strange to me to see lua being used outside of embedding in other things
< 1421433857 19804 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 5.1, seemingly
< 1421433860 917012 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good
< 1421433865 70181 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I use, for now
< 1421433881 117337 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, lua is now accessible through the command prompt
< 1421433881 511392 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it should work with all of them. But you never know when something like loadstring might be changed to conform
< 1421433911 968531 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, why lua?
< 1421433932 573904 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might consider reimplementing in python
< 1421433961 683964 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm most familiar with Lua, and it's fast. A python implementation would be nice.
< 1421433972 861918 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have math?
< 1421433977 298917 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet
< 1421433997 29293 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. At least we have counting ;)
< 1421433998 683628 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, var x is 1 + 1 should work, because of how I'm doing things
< 1421434005 272539 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1421434016 861119 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to loop through and throw an error if any symbols are used
< 1421434020 90035 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :ಠ_ಠ 
< 1421434020 530013 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  ¯|¯⌠
< 1421434020 681849 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69   |\|
< 1421434044 889818 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude, I'm pretty much just turning noops into lua
< 1421434053 143306 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see that
< 1421434057 93961 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PART #esoteric :"Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"
< 1421434062 346731 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, uh
< 1421434070 784482 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41690&oldid=41689 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+182) 10/* Instructions */
< 1421434076 947280 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if someon does "x is thing;some lua code here"
< 1421434081 120009 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might do something silly like "11" though, because it doesnt know what integers are
< 1421434151 633136 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats, You just got cloned
< 1421434167 628835 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, push coming soon to update noops definition
< 1421434187 510678 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning, no arguments to this script?
< 1421434218 137641 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi! \o/  \o_   _o/
< 1421434218 656114 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69        |    |     |
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< 1421434236 937651 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :because my favorite thing to do is pass arguments to the script I'm passing as an argument to another script I'm passing as an argument to a lua interpreter
< 1421434249 638164 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude, I like to give warnings
< 1421434266 215341 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in case some noops noob (once args are implemented) forgets to add some args
< 1421434274 175890 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think implementing that logic on your own is stupid.
< 1421434280 481442 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should get a warning!
< 1421434294 884476 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41691&oldid=41690 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+157) 10/* Instructions */
< 1421434322 165419 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :"noops noob"
< 1421434337 226042 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's noops experts?
< 1421434390 21337 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am currently an expert because I know every single thing about it @_@
< 1421434397 455764 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not saying much, but what can you do
< 1421434452 133416 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude, pushed
< 1421434465 213967 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :pulled
< 1421434529 199770 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, time to write a parser
< 1421434544 11728 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :significant whitespace is so naughty
< 1421434557 625158 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I knew python better
< 1421434600 465098 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it some, can help if you need
< 1421434620 380207 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, considering changing discussion to the official channel
< 1421434640 93282 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to write it in AutoHotkey now, python later
< 1421434643 700134 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1421434671 308693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Sigh, https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9858
< 1421434675 689355 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it funny how much the whitespace thing distracts people.
< 1421434717 57469 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: It's annoying me because I'll have to support it in my interpreter
< 1421434723 51837 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: I can't connect to the server?
< 1421434732 568451 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try accepting invalid ssl and all that
< 1421434732 719153 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ah. but why was it pushed to 7.12?
< 1421434755 777247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. A bug that lets you write unsafeCoerce looks kind of serious.
< 1421434782 599150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should comment on the ticket.
< 1421434783 133049 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sure it's port 6697?
< 1421434793 50885 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1421434795 339644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I've already embarrassed myself enough.
< 1421434813 492126 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41692&oldid=41691 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+243) 10added to top description
< 1421434818 146248 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude, Use ssl and accept invalid ssl
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< 1421435539 792181 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I did comment on it.
< 1421435556 101006 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure whether I should adjust the milestone myself
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< 1421436212 102337 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I feel slightly bad for not checking the bugtracker. But then again I didn't report the bug ;-)
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< 1421436668 519267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see what you're getting at
< 1421436759 795611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e++ # taking care of 9858
< 1421436777 989127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terribly awkward to do this on a phone.
< 1421436785 958856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :glguy would know
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< 1421442762 307444 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not sure if I successfully told this yet, but I think I left you a message at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:StackFlow#M:tG_implementation
< 1421442785 651994 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :about a bug in your M:tG implementation of the cyclic tag machine which is probably fixable
< 1421443254 371431 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's possible to use queues instead of cycles directly in M:tG. there's two cards that can manipulate the creature with the highest power, but they don't have the right triggers, so I don't see how you could use them.
< 1421443375 778003 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically Crackling Doom and Miming Slime
< 1421443590 877960 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might still be possible, but I don't really see a way.
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< 1421446299 830749 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, you told me about that
< 1421446302 591518 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think of a fix though
< 1421446306 647361 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1421446357 635536 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: also, crackling doom totally has the right effect, but its main problem is that it's an instant
< 1421446371 61385 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a pain to fit those into infinite constructions
< 1421446394 184325 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: exactly
< 1421446679 300245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could set up a loop where turns actually pass but the players don't get to draw, and you use Panoptic Mirror to cast a spell each turn in such a way that if the player chooses not to cast the spell nothing happens so eventually has to choose to cast to avoid a loop. But it doesn't seem too easy to do something with that.
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< 1421451452 199265 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone spammed messaged me some Intelligent Design (of the 'humans made the human race' variety) stuff
< 1421451482 957594 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Guest[#####]> Hello. i'm  eRic M France. I'm there to share information concerning theories about our origins. Monotheism  & Evolution's theory are based on beliefs  'cause nothing in science can establish that these  théories are correct
< 1421451483 108165 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Guest[#####]> However, the new one considering that we have been created by human beings of a most advanced civilisation mastering biotechnologies (intelligent Design) is enlightened with real facts. Wanna read about it ?
< 1421451495 160852 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know which channel they found me from
< 1421451515 713312 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh heh.
< 1421451535 700609 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. théories :D
< 1421451632 307276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then how can human make up more advanced human beings too?
< 1421451652 4742 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages-loud
< 1421451652 155285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf asked 21h 41m 11s ago: Did you get my messages from before?
< 1421451652 155407 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 20h 48m 13s ago: maybe.
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< 1421451906 378192 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That's an entertaining hypothesis at least.
< 1421451915 745744 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all turtles all the way down?
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< 1421454037 234446 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hellørjan. linguistics question: is your "yes" ingressive?
< 1421454102 40344 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.northhighland.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Features-300x250.png
< 1421454153 858910 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-P3BJ_eMmNjs/Uh-S0FjnG3I/AAAAAAAAAN8/-jIWn91Hnl8/s1600/Success+Content+Diagram+For+Blog.jpg
< 1421454198 271396 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys: those are profundly uninformative.
< 1421454202 810650 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the ingressive yes is at least commonplace in (some parts of) Sweden
< 1421454225 227201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \x -> x >> modify (+1)
< 1421454226 222334 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MonadState s m, Num s) => m a -> m ()
< 1421454232 156892 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Features one reminds me of the metaclasses diagram in the smalltalk-80 guide
< 1421454241 340951 :allen!~allen@host-39-97-2-96.midco.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1421454256 387359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: not usually, i think
< 1421454323 328036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's common in my dialect region
< 1421454329 350504 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I stumbled upon a short video about ingressive yes in Umeå the other day.
< 1421454337 268659 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh well. tfth.
< 1421454370 718784 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :umeå is iirc quite far from norway
< 1421454377 53701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a feeling it may be more common in oslo
< 1421454430 702384 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: wikipedia lists examples of ingressives, without specifying regions or dialects. Norway was in there.
< 1421454450 236656 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds Oslo to his places-to-visit.
< 1421454592 623272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<newsham> doesnt tell me much, no constraints imposed by "modify"? <-- that's a bit disappointing, and it's not lambdabot cutting it off either.  although you can use a lambda like above.
< 1421454602 710237 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use ingressive yes a lot, but it's not really in my dialect (or the dialect around here)
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< 1421457278 926350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: shachaf: it's even worse to fix https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9858#comment:9
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< 1421458590 197787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also works without promoted data kinds.
< 1421458621 341697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e btw the exploits works with just {-# LANGUAGE AutoDeriveTypeable, TypeFamilies, RankNTypes #-}
< 1421458621 492227 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1421458665 509295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm editing trac posts may not be such a good idea
< 1421458674 865314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION only changed Constraint to * -> *, though
< 1421458686 307130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*comments
< 1421458765 299522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Proxy :: Proxy Constraint
< 1421458766 706072 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘Constraint’
< 1421458766 856880 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant ‘Contains’ (imported from Control.Lens)
< 1421458793 308782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Proxy :: Proxy (Proxy :: * -> *)
< 1421458794 677419 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Proxy
< 1421458840 519371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Proxy :: Proxy (Proxy :: Bool -> *)
< 1421458841 970477 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Illegal kind: ‘GHC.Types.Bool’
< 1421458842 120901 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   Perhaps you intended to use DataKinds
< 1421458979 791768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e i see you are missing the first one :P
< 1421458979 942352 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1421459438 985731 :jbkcc!~jbkcc@17.114.219.63 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1421459759 409907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor int-e 
< 1421459887 191599 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :split from his evil twin...
< 1421459929 203576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure whether i should ask someone to remove lambdabot until int-e awakes
< 1421459950 133240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i got around his countermeasure)
< 1421460035 727055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be overly paranoid though
< 1421460042 781059 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless lambdabot poses a blatant security risk and tries to overtake the world, I guess we're kinda safe with him there.
< 1421460051 736812 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we still have Sir Fungellot to protect us, too.)
< 1421460063 374577 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1421460063 676537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 170100Z 30016G23KT 15SM DRSN FEW035 M16/M24 A3016 RMK CF1 CF TR SLP215
< 1421460072 773838 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, nothing to frette about.
< 1421460153 625570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i modified shachaf's exploit from earlier today so it still works on lambdabot 
< 1421460198 517990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh presumably there are few people here intelligent enough to guess how _and_ mean enough to mess things up.
< 1421460244 426092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION optimist
< 1421460381 789699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's looking quite awkward to fix the GHC bug now, basically Typeable reps would need to start including kind info
< 1421460448 690045 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phyrexian Generator {4} Artifact === {(W/P)(U/P)(B/P)(R/P)(G/P)}, {T}: Add {WUBRG} to your mana pool.
< 1421460471 288442 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1421460693 195440 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: 4?
< 1421460730 559217 :yukko_!~yukko@vps-7818-9356.cloud.tilaa.com QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting
< 1421460741 990990 :yukko!~yukko@unaffiliated/yukko JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421460778 998089 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I misread the {WUBRG}. it produces all of it at the same time.
< 1421460821 732598 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hm... with some mana-doubling stuff it becomes strangely easy to sneak in a Progenitus and/or a few Emrakuls...)
< 1421460869 582969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the cost of the artifact, or of the ability, may be wrong though
< 1421460889 539351 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe both of them should be increased by {1}
< 1421460948 205012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or only one of them should be; I'm not sure
< 1421461019 527984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, with a lot of life and the ability to copy or untap the artifact, you could earn a lot of mana.
< 1421461137 312093 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is overrated. it's only another expendable resource.
< 1421461171 963415 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the record, only MtG life. I value my own, tyvm hth.)
< 1421461196 657867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you do start with only 20 life points and can also lose them due to being damaged.
< 1421461227 812863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still it is something that is usable; for now I decided probably to increase both costs by {1}
< 1421461280 962730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <boily> life is overrated. it's only another expendable resource.
< 1421461290 391370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know it had to be done.
< 1421461292 410998 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1230) <boily> life is overrated. it's only another expendable resource.
< 1421461304 9435 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon, maudit. encore une fois...
< 1421461325 99737 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reminded that he still needs to fix that damned Greek LaTeX problem...
< 1421461372 441198 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: starting with 20 HP means you have 19 at your disposition.
< 1421461408 918356 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a gamble. unless you're playing against a red-deck-wins, it works pretty much all the time.)
< 1421461472 724204 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Dotamaria1 5*  10New user account
< 1421461479 982443 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :example: I have a few Lashwrithes in my monoblack deck.
< 1421461510 136807 :elliott_!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @quit
< 1421461510 287334 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges
< 1421461514 193521 :elliott_!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com NICK :elliott
< 1421461529 84082 :elliott!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting
< 1421461535 902528 :elliott!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421461539 454747 :elliott!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @quit
< 1421461539 605029 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: requested
< 1421461543 520627 :elliott!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com NICK :Guest1017
< 1421461545 898982 :Guest1017!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure int-e would want that
< 1421461550 986474 :Guest1017!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhhh what
< 1421461559 410223 :Guest1017!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1421461598 554418 :elliott_!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is sasl broken...
< 1421461605 435366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it also depend what other cards you have as well as depending whether you play Constructed or Limited
< 1421461623 357971 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it's broken for you too?
< 1421461631 464517 :elliott_!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it doesn't seem to be authenticating me.
< 1421461634 650032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is Limited then you might not get more than one copy of some card.
< 1421461636 595553 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: tough choice...
< 1421461659 191880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I always play Limited)
< 1421461685 640589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whoa
< 1421461688 197244 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I oscillate. we play modern during lunch, with the occasional about-monthly draft.
< 1421461692 730474 :elliott_!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com NICK :elliott
< 1421461694 40175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan++
< 1421461695 156395 :elliott!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host
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< 1421461743 967706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was heading in that direction earlier but I stopped when I found the DataKinds things.
< 1421461749 55164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since lambdabot is now gone i might just as well link it: http://oerjan.nvg.org/ExploitForIntE.hs
< 1421461765 272047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is on phome, will look later
< 1421461765 799860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it's not :(
< 1421461768 665384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rejoining channels
< 1421461773 161986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oops
< 1421461781 672294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to make it quick again because int-e helpfully made it reconnect unless it quits twice in quick succession
< 1421461793 457361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may not even be possible given how long it takes to respond to a @quit after connecting?
< 1421461806 548694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it disconnected now at least
< 1421461806 699267 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421461834 542991 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: uhm... I fail to understand the exploit. I guess it puts me in the very mean category...
< 1421461843 526726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: OKAY
< 1421461899 973948 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't want to be mean. (except in coop boardgames :D)
< 1421461969 431715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of course now someone will notice the missing lambdabot in #haskell and spin up a replacement instance on their personal machine, as their normal user account...
< 1421461971 390954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: haskell has this Typeable class which is supposed to give you safe dynamical typing by allowing casts between types that are actually equal, based on a reified type representation.  but there's a bug that allows you to get types with identical representation by using kind polymorphism
< 1421461977 742482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get owned far worse
< 1421461986 641478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1421461998 826241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1421462014 870490 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I ain't be running no cephalopods.
< 1421462033 479181 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and? it's a typecast. so what?
< 1421462070 384715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: so you can cast IO () to something you can call in pure code
< 1421462098 58645 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1421462100 708948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: this cast is supposed to be safely enough checked that you can use it Safe mode for running untrusted code, which lambdabot does.
< 1421462105 369173 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear fungot.
< 1421462106 83956 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: he was in the vale of pnath, and the waves of our bidding encompassed all the land of inquanok and saw against the stars, whose course exactly paralleled that of his own two-year-old son, who had hastily translated a few high spots as they came, and he speaks her fnord but he knew his room was fnord in that carven vestige of an older dwelling and which at times almost rose to the intensity of the dreams and legends, this
< 1421462135 95249 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite the interesting bug, I say.
< 1421462158 304803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how "GHC 0-days" are a thing
< 1421462205 467949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf's original exploit used the fact that certain "datakind promotion" can give you two types that have the same name in a way that isn't distinguished in the typerep.
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< 1421462216 804026 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1421462231 352467 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for me to have a few nightmares. 'night all!
< 1421462235 478284 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: UNFINISHED CHICKEN
< 1421462251 611734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i then modified it to use instead the fact that types can depend on kinds in such a way that the kind doesn't show up in the typerep at _all_.
< 1421462495 311948 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421462647 957555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i was intrigued to try this by the fact that int-e's suggested fix in that other ghc trac thread seemed to simple to work
< 1421462655 644122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too
< 1421463111 933562 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like math kinda
< 1421463196 908821 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda?
< 1421463222 838247 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods head
< 1421463225 405097 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda
< 1421463378 12993 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda is not good enough.
< 1421463499 334778 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about
< 1421463507 115522 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :97.6
< 1421463519 607239 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :% of liking
< 1421463814 588574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1421464035 569083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Kindable (Proxy :: k -> *) where ...
< 1421464059 92072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lowercase p, surely
< 1421464059 715274 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a word /o/
< 1421464059 865698 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                  |
< 1421464059 865836 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                 /|
< 1421464069 534237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no
< 1421464072 997459 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you myndzi 
< 1421464079 725324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that works...?
< 1421464082 143287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's supposed to parametrize over the kind, not the type
< 1421464090 352319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but it's not valid :P
< 1421464094 624503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well maybe proxy works
< 1421464104 771560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: k -> 1 would be best
< 1421464108 724016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the obvious definition of 1
< 1421464108 874445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm just thinking about what they'll need to _really_ fix that bug
< 1421464129 28792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you need kinds in typereps
< 1421464137 817695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1421464142 362444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like a mess.
< 1421464152 26028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just redid Typeable to be all polykinded, too...
< 1421464171 82306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but kinds arent't poly-(sorted?) yet
< 1421464209 829238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dependent typing investigations will unify types and kinds, though
< 1421464225 485858 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds
< 1421464231 550750 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting
< 1421464236 516944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1421464339 648411 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ive finally made a play bot
< 1421464406 449110 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1421464416 936441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
< 1421464571 300568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect int-e will have to disable type families, iirc gadts are safer because there's still a dynamic check remaining
< 1421464609 299362 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened?
< 1421464609 811245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess he could refrain from importing cast, but maybe there are ways to sneak around that with other things using Typeable
< 1421464632 867479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: we found an exploit in ghc haskell, which affects lambdabot's sandboxing
< 1421464643 50503 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1421464650 531478 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds bad
< 1421464677 577472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it requires several ghc extensions to work, so int-e can probably find one to disable
< 1421464700 168912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he tried disabling one earlier today, but i found a way around that)
< 1421464704 694096 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wondered why lambdabot wasn't on
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< 1421464802 128462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the RankNTypes is probably not needed either, let me see...
< 1421464868 890962 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making a currency system that updates on how many products the user has and upgrades/ lvl system is hard to maintain
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< 1421464952 630856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh are they thinking about adding full dependent typing?
< 1421465007 426007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: richard eisenberg is
< 1421465029 410449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/DependentHaskell
< 1421465054 866904 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :gasp 
< 1421465382 45564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think linking the exploit was pretty redundant by the time you gave all the information about it.
< 1421465419 761727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe :P
< 1421465436 817926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i don't need RankNTypes to cast between two concrete types
< 1421465473 771368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't use RankNTypes in my original version of the code.
< 1421465484 177319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1421465502 726647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data family F a b p; data instance F a b (Proxy  T) = A a; data instance F a b (Proxy 'T) = B b
< 1421465509 720935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uc :: forall a b. (Typeable a, Typeable b) => a -> b
< 1421465509 894263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uc x = case cast (A x :: F a b (Proxy T)) :: Maybe (F a b (Proxy 'T)) of { Just (B y) -> y; Nothing -> error "oops" }
< 1421465524 978435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much the way i was just trying to change it
< 1421465546 392158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that might need ScopedTypeVariables to work for all Typeables
< 1421465556 749312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that uses ScopedTypeVariables.
< 1421465568 88699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can usually eliminate ScopedTypeVariables uses.
< 1421465591 808371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm lessee
< 1421465610 656962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can probably use GADTs instead of TypeFamilies too.
< 1421465626 834441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the obvious way of doing it doesn't work because GHC checks the tag even when there's only one possibility.
< 1421465631 715381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought GADTs ... right
< 1421465635 950366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there another way?
< 1421465645 176102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was a way...
< 1421465649 466545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did that one thing work?
< 1421465670 738088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://joyoftypes.blogspot.com/2012/08/generalizednewtypederiving-is.html does something with GADTs
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< 1421465805 640782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe something like that. I'd need to think about the details.
< 1421465806 481654 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
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< 1421466039 502798 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you get a prize for ticket #10000
< 1421466059 779678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope so, I worked for that ticket number.
< 1421466096 686814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you got a cheer from spj, that must be something
< 1421466100 934994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/query?status=infoneeded&status=new&status=patch&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=owner&col=type&col=priority&col=milestone&col=reporter&desc=1&order=id
< 1421466134 801998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit anticlimactic that it was a duplicate after all that.
< 1421466149 683604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But oerjan made it more interesting.
< 1421466173 266721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is PolyKinds actually necessary for this bug?
< 1421466188 107812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The trouble is that it works even without turning it on.)
< 1421466296 501712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: getting rid of the ScopedTypeVariables is tricky because b is so phantom...
< 1421466385 230830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i've been thinking if this is one of those things that might be nipped in the bud by ghc's new "only allow inferred types that have all necessary extensions enabled" "feature"
< 1421466421 566131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should check this with 7.10.rc
< 1421466447 196809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "working without listing PolyKinds" part, that is
< 1421466491 410020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps the necessary stuff is just implied by the other extensions
< 1421466491 579136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's safe to say at this point that turning a crufty old experimental research compiler into your sole line of security defence is a poor choice
< 1421466499 512075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU THINK
< 1421466538 829655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the plan is with safe haskell
< 1421466564 349884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to have ever been vaguely secure so what are they going to do, just wait a few years for all the really simple bugs to get ironed out and then say it's secure?
< 1421466586 1796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What's the issue with turning off ScopedTypeVariables?
< 1421466594 684456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :supercast :: (Typeable a, Typeable b) => F a b (Proxy T) -> Maybe (F a b (Proxy 'T)); supercast = cast
< 1421466598 630757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uc :: (Typeable a, Typeable b) => a -> b; uc x = case supercast (A x) of Just (B y) -> y
< 1421466604 813167 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this exploit related to deriving?
< 1421466650 288339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: only of Typeable, not newtypes
< 1421466689 167520 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice work
< 1421466704 301518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the derived typereps of different types aren't always different
< 1421466803 993966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So all you need is a way to derive Typeable, and type families or something similar.
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< 1421467140 461830 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive got no idea what modern haskell is about haha
< 1421467144 565861 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this dynamic type stuff
< 1421467146 334235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: thanks that worked
< 1421467172 446968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: well the dynamic typing is just a small part
< 1421467223 107267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typeable has been around for a long time but the poly-kinded stuff that lets this nonsense work is relatively new
< 1421467250 481667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw bob harper will have a field day with this one
< 1421467258 312920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OUCH
< 1421467260 601200 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah hahaha
< 1421467265 112796 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyones like bob you just dont understand haskell
< 1421467270 117242 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now this
< 1421467279 976548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair he's done unsafeCoerce with Typeable before
< 1421467285 198435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was back when it was completely trivial
< 1421467293 30904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by giving your own manual instance of Typeable before that was forbidden)
< 1421467302 575468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was one of his troll posts :P
< 1421467308 826419 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :"one of"
< 1421467600 791186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i got rid of StandaloneDeriving
< 1421467685 307264 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 NICK :MDream
< 1421467811 497971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just used AutoDeriveTypeable.
< 1421467820 984521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which extensions are you using now?
< 1421467837 582977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DeriveDateTypeable and TypeFamilies
< 1421467840 646146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a
< 1421467865 386900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1421467907 113558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is back to phone so can't experiment.
< 1421468434 137919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 
< 1421468437 469041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, you're also using KindSignatures, which is turned in automatically by TypeFamilies.
< 1421468444 636062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1421468455 108771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, this ssh client is a bit of a scow
< 1421468479 796295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they also turned on by GADTs?
< 1421468482 898528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm assuming you're using kind signatures, anyway.)
< 1421468489 245279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well naturally
< 1421468491 453755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1421468504 272736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless I'm wrong.)
< 1421468523 875604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not according to http://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-src-exts-1.0.1/docs/src/Language-Haskell-Exts-Extension.html
< 1421468539 341762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1421468542 709592 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1421468577 632499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: btw the reason i changed from AutoDeriveTypeable is because lambdabot didn't have it
< 1421468588 541636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1421468616 675319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would turning off DeriveDataTypeable be enough?
< 1421468634 646558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's what i'm trying to think about
< 1421468668 495203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back to the old "user Typeable types are unsafe" thing.
< 1421468717 974760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except including derived instances.
< 1421468731 912474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/types/instances/
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< 1421469062 77515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets on train
< 1421469087 842812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, how did you do it without StandaloneDeriving?
< 1421469112 406541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :made an ordinary newtype to wrap it in
< 1421469137 717907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, makes sense.
< 1421469439 406208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using a newtype also lets you get away with a type family rather than a data family.
< 1421469467 748863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
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< 1421469553 354007 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my opinion it should be allowed to define a class as being automatic, and in such cases you cannot write your own instances but it automatically derives it for all types it is applicable to whether or not the program that defines that type knows anything about the class.
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< 1421469696 255103 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typeable should be one such class.
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< 1421469728 641844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i agree, although this bug wouldn't be helped by that
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< 1421470012 767486 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any of you persons draw?
< 1421470027 515632 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is very much off topic
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< 1421470188 915939 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: I am not very good at drawing my brother make the pictures for my computer game
< 1421470205 46384 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1421470226 18527 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was doing an art final so I kinda need an idea for a second picture
< 1421470719 149588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't something I would know.
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< 1421472168 29079 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, can i msg you about unsafe?
< 1421472390 755274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: i don't think int-e is awake yet, or else he'd surely commented on tonight's exploit
< 1421472406 472046 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
< 1421472432 813640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Eq
< 1421472436 682743 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im wondering how to implement unsafePerformIO with unsafeCoerce: I got a really crashy way and somehow int-e's is more stable.. but it make less sense
< 1421472436 845543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh
< 1421472467 461050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: you need to understand how ghc implement's IO inside, i guess
< 1421472471 763484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-'
< 1421472482 588892 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just make a replicate of the IO datatype
< 1421472518 850371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since the function argument is a weird "this actually takes 0 bytes" type used nowhere else...
< 1421472559 123980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well also in ST)
< 1421472565 793682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: just copy the IO and unsafePerformIO definition
< 1421472567 655927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unsafeCoerce to it
< 1421472580 949412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1421472604 978132 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :runST (unsafeCoerce (putStrLn "fun")) is probably the easiest
< 1421472617 173881 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lambdabot has runST doesn't it..
< 1421472642 528173 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got caught up in somethin unecessary then
< 1421472745 346402 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/74498 thats' intes
< 1421473117 133091 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :runST (unsafeCoerce (do readFile "/etc/passwd"))
< 1421473120 767395 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come this crashes?
< 1421473130 427655 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it would work fine
< 1421473192 391057 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-es unsafePerofrmIO works though
< 1421473204 651099 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it prints most of the file before segfaulting
< 1421473282 908028 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421473671 439055 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try adding the stuff I mentioned in the other channel to make it strict?
< 1421473686 879537 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure that that's the problem, but I imagine it's why you switched channels
< 1421473711 492240 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thasnk glguy :)
< 1421473729 853964 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still crashes but i get some output
< 1421473734 350437 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its kind of interesting
< 1421473891 578960 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can get lambdabot installed to test this :(
< 1421473896 538178 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant*
< 1421473926 962803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must say I like this lambdabot absence thing.
< 1421474306 122085 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, less garbage in chat and if we need to share a type signature or evaluate an expression we can still do it in ghci and paste it 
< 1421474347 114478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if we need to see a quote we just ask shachaf to search the logs for it.
< 1421474353 897210 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :win win
< 1421474364 831790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee i crashed ghc
< 1421474375 434374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whoa, still with this typeable thing?
< 1421474385 839064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and uc 'a' :: Int  crashed
< 1421474399 356357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, at runtime?
< 1421474399 836278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm trying to see how far i can avoid deriving Typeable
< 1421474404 353797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or in typechecking?
< 1421474407 962682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :runtime
< 1421474425 313919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well, that's not really crashing GHC.
< 1421474434 128702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easy to do with a GADT that has an invalid tag.
< 1421474438 706628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you did something else.
< 1421474464 350444 :jbkcc!~textual@c-24-6-1-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421474481 222252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have data E :: * -> * -> * where E :: E a a deriving Typeable  i don't think that's invalid
< 1421474526 260123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can use it (and the Typeable kind bug) to make an invalid thing.
< 1421474529 267627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably.
< 1421474536 808417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1421474546 256750 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://joyoftypes.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/generalizednewtypederiving-is.html
< 1421474552 746626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe you did something else?
< 1421474557 171185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm trying to see if having that around is enough not to have to make any other Typeables)
< 1421474571 286133 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ GHC can magically derive (wrong) instances for typeclasses you create ??
< 1421474583 891517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's exported from Data.Typeable, for what it's worth.
< 1421474590 417544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you don't even need to derive Typeable for it yourself.
< 1421474594 767907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1421474611 15293 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsqbot: 0 1 {{.+}c!} {1} w!
< 1421474666 428439 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 0 1 {{.+}c!} {1} w!
< 1421474666 960896 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
< 1421474686 839931 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 0 1 {{.+}c!} {99.<} w!
< 1421474686 999564 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 144
< 1421474687 149906 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 89
< 1421474687 150030 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 55
< 1421474714 212055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah but now i need TypeOperators :(
< 1421474775 191271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use it prefix.
< 1421474780 445927 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 0 1 {{.+}c!} {99.<} w!CL
< 1421474780 603181 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {144 89 55 34 21 13 8 5 3 2 1 1 0}
< 1421474785 371387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Is = (:~:)
< 1421474839 553957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1421474871 545850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still crashing
< 1421474969 728031 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was reall yfun to think about
< 1421475158 725274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: they've fixed that newtype deriving thing although the fix has other annoying side effects
< 1421475170 574158 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it amazing this was ever a bug
< 1421475183 924797 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't you derive stuff by creating code and then typechecking it etc.
< 1421475201 904666 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are like "lets skip typechecking"
< 1421475208 721908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: because the code may not be available?
< 1421475213 560830 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you wouldn't be able to write the code for some of them
< 1421475215 850171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what augustss's compiler did
< 1421475217 991445 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler is writing the code
< 1421475227 812609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I believe.)
< 1421475230 405639 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.93.174 QUIT :Quit: bbl
< 1421475242 115027 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :but his compiler 1) cheats where it's convenient 2) can't derive as many instances even when they might be valid
< 1421475245 380141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: istr that too
< 1421475317 227769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't sure how oerjan is crashing with a compiler error using just (:~:), actually
< 1421475343 987455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: an important consideration here is that it should be _fast_ by having the wrapping be trivially optimized away
< 1421475370 520101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but it typechecks :P
< 1421475410 259600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried readding some Maybes but that didn't help :(
< 1421475423 261908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should try writting them
< 1421475440 774331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1421475511 481381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i've hit another ghc bug
< 1421475562 115910 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel bad for haskell
< 1421475571 283275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: because unsafeCoerce is more efficient when it works basically :/
< 1421475584 246221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :map NewType or map unNewType is like unsafeCoerce but slower
< 1421475617 219857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same would apply to fmap *except* if you break the functor laws in an instance you can get unsafeCoerce out of it
< 1421475621 56358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is really annoying.
< 1421475862 999717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a nice plan to fix it all elegantly but then they went and did something else instead
< 1421475875 900067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably for the best
< 1421475917 412272 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you decide to go public with your bug report specifically to take lambdabot down?
< 1421475940 562985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :glguy: I told int-e about the bug before reporting it and he decided to disable DataKinds.
< 1421475947 688038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like GHC has any process for reporting security-sensitive bugs
< 1421475952 95852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(afaik)
< 1421475959 72434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then oerjan figured out that it wasn't sufficient so elliott took the bot down entirely.
< 1421475968 583192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked thoughtpolice what to do with it.
< 1421475984 671176 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone use safehaskell for security?
< 1421475985 425497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The conclusion was that I might as well report it publicly.
< 1421475989 708237 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just joking due to the lambdabot comment, not actually questioning intent :)
< 1421475991 384966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot does
< 1421475995 405532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if safe haskell is going to be deployed in production then GHC really needs a process for handling security bugs etc.
< 1421476000 652893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically all soundness bugs :/
< 1421476007 294566 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is safe haskell
< 1421476017 433757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I think byorgey had some web-based thing that accepted arbitrary safe haskell code
< 1421476017 584096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no such thing hth
< 1421476033 827900 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume int-e uses a chroot wrapped in a VM wrapped in a burrito
< 1421476040 489963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: basically something that tags modules as safe/unsafe/trusted etc. so you can run arbitrary code that can't import modules with stuff marked as unsafe like unsafePerformIO or unsafeCoerce
< 1421476044 524441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(including third-party libraries)
< 1421476047 20869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot uses it for obvious reasons
< 1421476057 553457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can @let import stuff but it won't work if you try to import Unsafe.Coerce etc.
< 1421476060 31510 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds awful D:
< 1421476094 532725 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should ues a type system for this...
< 1421476094 722025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, it's an okay idea, it's just not very robust in practice because GHC is complex and has lots of bugs so you can often get unsafeCoerce through other ways
< 1421476103 981572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be better yeah
< 1421476123 355114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an --unsafe--> function type that you can turn off the application rule for
< 1421476148 707618 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should make a language a bit like haskell but without unsafe stuff
< 1421476157 553181 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm burlesque is fun
< 1421476163 478742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: still the idea is that you can turn on safe haskell and get proper RT and stuff
< 1421476176 804052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like actually be able to know things about what an (A -> B) can do no matter what haskell file you load
< 1421476180 754881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you load it in safe mode
< 1421476193 387809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just falls down because any GHC soundness bug is a security bug now
< 1421476202 275859 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could compile to bytecode and have a bytecode interpreter with some settings for its capabilities
< 1421476207 589316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and GHC just isn't that robust, especially with all the fancy extensions interacting
< 1421476214 700182 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's so much you can do other than just putting comments in the code "this is safe lol"
< 1421476222 480397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: well the thing is, you want to be able to call code that is implemented unsafely
< 1421476223 797400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use any of the standard sandboxing mechanisms.
< 1421476226 783590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance you can use ByteStrings just fine in safe haskell
< 1421476244 961333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is that you can rely on the type checker to not have to do that.
< 1421476245 913218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can do things like expose restricted IO monads to the safe code to use
< 1421476262 638227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> uc 'a' :: Int
< 1421476262 810268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :1152921504606846976
< 1421476273 10757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIDN'T CRASH THIS TIME HTH
< 1421476278 375211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(code that uses unsafe code to implement a safe interface is called "Trustworthy")
< 1421476279 409641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ship it
< 1421476282 273148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Safe Haskell lets you audit it)
< 1421476286 536132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by only letting packages you explicitly trust do this)
< 1421476289 815344 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showHex 1152921504606846976 ""
< 1421476291 961078 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use safehaskell
< 1421476295 495489 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err
< 1421476301 733106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so you can know what unsafe code you are trusting to be encapsulated properly)
< 1421476311 940632 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only safe haskell is abstinence 
< 1421476314 751564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1000000000000000"
< 1421476317 154990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. good
< 1421476322 574795 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL
< 1421476327 500468 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :pls
< 1421476329 191279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is with no extensions?
< 1421476353 613581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you could write unsafeCoerce in pure hindley-milner all along
< 1421476358 916616 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1421476373 894639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes it probably has a soundness proof or whatever, but what if ZFC is inconsistent too
< 1421476374 56398 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its been proved you can't
< 1421476379 18645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could happen
< 1421476397 214214 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :0day of the century
< 1421476400 236791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1421476401 542205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZFC 0-day
< 1421476412 964103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll be when we're all relying on proof checkers to run arbitrary code with attached safety proofs
< 1421476429 655053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgent patch to the ZFC axioms with a coordinated multi-vendor release
< 1421476435 663467 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :redimensionalize derivative coefficients
< 1421476452 306540 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :redimensionalizing* I guess
< 1421476462 154990 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds very possible except not ZFC but the given proof checker
< 1421476519 369977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it'd be more fun if it was the axioms themselves that were broken
< 1421476528 76706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: only TypeFamilies
< 1421476529 771047 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most provers have a set theory (but not quite ZF)
< 1421476533 404346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :breaking axiom systems like we do hash functions today
< 1421476544 708677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, you're using TypeFamilies still?
< 1421476555 190647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually nobody runs anything that takes more than peano arithmetic to prove safety of
< 1421476555 897899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were you using it for that (:~:) thing all along?
< 1421476559 758488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*prove the safety of
< 1421476582 80828 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha imagine if PA was the limit
< 1421476585 261070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/81269 some old vaguely-relevant fun to all this
< 1421476590 55764 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything betond that got proved inconsistent
< 1421476616 221182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: well, god made the naturals
< 1421476633 666388 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and godel made some weird extra ones
< 1421476649 544511 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just gonna >_> use that lpaste for notes
< 1421476680 877240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i there exists a 0-day; if there exists an n-day, there exists an Sn-day; ...
< 1421476724 417133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: um i haven't changed the F part ...
< 1421476738 929150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although perhaps :~: could replace it, that's a thought
< 1421476748 487583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1421476762 82687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were doing something like data Q a b p = A (Is p PT) a | B (Is p P'T) b
< 1421476766 857975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :except clever and not obviously broken
< 1421476777 635812 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a marvellous blackhat demo that this program is defective, but this pentest form is too small to contain it
< 1421476828 972764 :jbkcc!~textual@c-24-6-1-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1421476879 977087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oerjan.nvg.org/lbexploits/Exploit2.hs
< 1421476889 981601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the not very well working one
< 1421476903 451010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i moved the other one into this directory too)
< 1421476971 279808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see what you're doing
< 1421477170 414101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you see why it's breaking too?
< 1421477197 279503 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure there isn't a import tunnel a bot to quick latex?
< 1421477207 558144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i tried wrapping in G and it didn't help
< 1421477218 352128 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax, stop talking shit
< 1421477227 673968 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :/o/
< 1421477247 796032 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you say that, it startled me vanila
< 1421477369 386857 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is just that polykinded proxy's kind isn't reflected in its typerep?
< 1421477379 734056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :glguy: yep
< 1421477416 359533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, i'll look after i get home if it's still unsolved
< 1421477416 811816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw http://oerjan.nvg.org/lbexploits/ExploitForIntE.hs is actually working
< 1421477437 435117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike this new attempt to avoid some extensions
< 1421477490 843727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just the same as my original code with * -> * instead of T, right?
< 1421477499 402172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've managed to take several extensions off since then
< 1421477501 274093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: pretty much
< 1421477561 23631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm another high number
< 1421477569 801109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly the same one
< 1421477655 418094 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh calculus pls don't do this to me
< 1421477672 478439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the explicit Typeable constraints aren't needed
< 1421477703 413756 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not?
< 1421477725 355136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the Core for your code is funny
< 1421477741 443693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1421477747 876563 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paste for those of us on phones?
< 1421477750 25914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :supercast = \ @ a5_axk @ b_axl w_s1pg _ -> $wsupercast w_s1pg
< 1421477757 98771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :supercast completely ignores its non-E argument
< 1421477769 625606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i need to go in ~4 minutes and will be back later
< 1421477788 735985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, by your code i mean your code after i've changed it a bit, so maybe it's different in the original
< 1421477868 760059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get a strange error if i try to add @Refl to the last e pattern in supercast
< 1421477949 330956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd expect strange errors when matching on an impossible Refl
< 1421477957 748355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :though maybe yours is stranger than expected
< 1421477962 500903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh of course
< 1421478027 476226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding NOINLINE makes it work hth
< 1421478034 351535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now i really need to go
< 1421478038 773758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1421478450 835579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1421478534 990263 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421478638 949993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1421478646 108110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421478817 15995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome JesseH
< 1421478826 540077 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09JesseH: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08<http://esolangs.org/>. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06irc.dal.net.)
< 1421478851 684264 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :'relcome elliott 
< 1421478856 51533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's `
< 1421478876 665362 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up, elliott?
< 1421478891 782276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhhh
< 1421478893 370486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc bugs apparently
< 1421478898 57328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as always
< 1421478924 375178 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell, I see!
< 1421479356 351482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. it is never actually looking at the ID id value
< 1421479449 373830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as usual :p
< 1421479583 210079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah making the f parameter non-explicit worked
< 1421479629 120754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to find out if any of these munge applications (to prevent ghc inlining) are needed
< 1421479718 856870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops some are
< 1421479963 859594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to write id ecast instead of ecast to avoid the crash :D
< 1421479986 768288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only place, other than removing some explicit arguments
< 1421480006 228292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's a good guess that this might break under higher optimization levels
< 1421480208 755550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://oerjan.nvg.org/lbexploits/Exploit3.hs
< 1421480216 172976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good timing, i just got home
< 1421480236 977497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i managed to make it work without a pragma, at least in GHCi.
< 1421480268 288740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is getting more and more fragile hth
< 1421480274 199883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think
< 1421480281 14663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: {-# NOINLINE munge #-} should make it safe?
< 1421480296 280987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um the whole point of using munge is to avoid NOINLINE
< 1421480300 240715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. but why
< 1421480314 973624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe it cannot be disabled, in which case it's fine
< 1421480323 276019 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1421480339 155746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a difference between data families and newtypes+type families?
< 1421480345 925036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you use NOINLINE pragmas in lambdabot?
< 1421480351 960036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no idea
< 1421480362 606923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can.
< 1421480390 541163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be able to, yeah
< 1421480391 121424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway the idea is to use as few extensions as possible
< 1421480396 132468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just @let at the very least
< 1421480399 58432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: by the way shadowing is bad hth
< 1421480407 188864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what shadowing?
< 1421480410 514499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1421480440 555610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1421480442 411219 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:b40e:716b:e7d5:ad15 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1421480467 44377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing to see here, move on
< 1421480467 284084 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:b40e:716b:e7d5:ad15 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421480516 460143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was suspicious at first when i reloaded your url but then i saw that its contents were exactly equal to my editor buffer and decided i must be imagining things
< 1421480532 791382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1421480536 150070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I parse a MySQL dump to convert to SQLite format?
< 1421480624 677401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a reason for using munge instead of using id directly
< 1421480661 485504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was originally munge x = (replicate 9 undefined ++ repeat x) !! 10
< 1421480685 279619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i wanted to be sure ghc couldn't see through it
< 1421480708 81678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that id works there but ($) doesn't
< 1421480712 938202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1421480737 735375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because of ghc's special $ parsing rule?
< 1421480746 40580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows
< 1421480843 498852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway we've proved that it's not sufficient to disable DeriveDataTypeable.
< 1421480897 262135 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421480911 989923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: munge x = reflect x reify
< 1421480925 346791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually GHC can probably see through that these days
< 1421480929 453087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not with the terrifying original implementation though
< 1421480934 333309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if GHC can inline reflect x reify
< 1421480935 629947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1421480942 896395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you make it recursive, though, GHC has no chance.
< 1421480948 168979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't inline reverse [] = []
< 1421480996 131428 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get it to inline the first iteration 
< 1421481042 467122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean?
< 1421481081 989133 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will inline a recursive function up to the first recursive call with the right pragma
< 1421481115 961662 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421481122 164395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the bad old days we defined rev [] = []; rev [x] = [x]; rev xs = realReverse xs, or something like that.
< 1421481134 523474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To help the inliner along with that particular case.
< 1421481142 397205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you use GHC.Exts.lazy
< 1421481144 424639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1421481169 230226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also does this trick work with GHC.Exts.coerce
< 1421481177 133449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if so, ouch
< 1421481782 68760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shopping ->
< 1421483572 352002 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1421484207 160978 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems
< 1421484212 298149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1421484218 388939 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :complicated to an extreme?
< 1421485271 148982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: that's ghc for you :P
< 1421485336 932993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I found another related bug.
< 1421485347 315909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though not one that you can use to unsafeCoerce.
< 1421485416 680461 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tres bein!
< 1421485470 179808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> data T a where { A :: T Int; B :: T Bool }
< 1421485470 379538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> let f :: T Int -> (); f A = (); f B = ()
< 1421485484 58923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :complains about the second pattern
< 1421485489 499019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> data T a where { A :: T (Proxy (Proxy :: * -> *)); B :: T (Proxy (Proxy :: (* -> *) -> *)) }
< 1421485492 432817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> let f :: T (Proxy (Proxy :: * -> *)) -> (); f A = (); f B = ()
< 1421485494 980386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no complaints
< 1421485536 715984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess it checks that the types are the same without checking the kinds
< 1421485555 67212 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :that
< 1421485573 102999 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like trash
< 1421485576 766358 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :no offense
< 1421485637 866513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you say that to every piece of code that gets pasted in here
< 1421485652 561993 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably
< 1421485658 844178 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1421485674 18396 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's cuz I'm not as advanced I still understand it kinda
< 1421485705 703776 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to me at my level it looks like someone was angry at their keyboard
< 1421485724 107574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: Are you sure??
< 1421485728 190314 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill be quiet now ;-;
< 1421485734 406852 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: You're learning Haskell?
< 1421485743 274501 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :very slowly
< 1421485751 651137 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :veeeeeeerrrry slowly
< 1421485758 803722 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :because school
< 1421485762 579629 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\x -> (\y -> x)) z y
< 1421485769 337926 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't have much time to code
< 1421485792 364511 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. lambdabot is gone
< 1421485810 864809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: that's because of the bug we found, it ruins its sandboxing
< 1421485831 772176 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. Is there a ghc trac issue for this?
< 1421485838 14773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#10000
< 1421485869 215284 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wasn't the bug detected before? and was the bugs occurance because of something being changed?
< 1421485900 790487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code above looks like it is used to demonstrate the bug; it doesn't seem a very good code for an actual program but that doesn't make it "trash"
< 1421485926 99580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: it's an interaction with a subtle use of the new PolyKind feature which i guess no one has considered before.
< 1421485944 357523 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand those features good enough to see how exactly this breaks safehaskell :(
< 1421485970 434976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: the change was in making types and Typeable instances PolyKinded without realizing you then had to include the kinds in the data.
< 1421486000 770851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: http://oerjan.nvg.org/lbexploits
< 1421486004 295027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1421486013 183336 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said it was well ( I did and I'm sorry if it came off wrong ) but as my veiw point as where I am standing in my area of expertise in the haskells, it looks like random lettering and chars zzo38
< 1421486032 996888 :jbkcc!~textual@c-24-6-1-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421486035 904625 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, well, then you must learn.
< 1421486036 365008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: those are further refinements i made tonight, now it's down to a single extension
< 1421486073 938927 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well.. I don't have time since its finals this month
< 1421486074 89693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i {-# LANGUAGE NoSafe #-}
< 1421486079 733819 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1421486085 240404 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly should safehaskell prevent?
< 1421486088 504750 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the use of cast?
< 1421486115 219998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A function uc :: a -> b which is a valid implementation of id.
< 1421486120 79281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes
< 1421486141 285055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: or, wait
< 1421486143 188679 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :safehaskell makes me sad
< 1421486148 412146 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot of fanciful script on that site of yours oerjan 
< 1421486149 10454 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like haskell has so much more potential 
< 1421486161 518497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: cast should be safe, always.  it's a ghc bug that it isn't.
< 1421486161 930197 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I just a totally out of touch purist or what
< 1421486162 614209 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, in this particular thing. Yes, different types should have different TypeReps.
< 1421486166 93678 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is a hassle
< 1421486171 707711 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha Lilax nice
< 1421486254 18321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: most of my fanciful stuff is in the esoteric/ subdirectory, and most of it you need to go via the wiki to find
< 1421486266 36688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I make up a Magic: the Gathering card that says "you gain 6 life and target opponent draws 3 cards" then how much should be the cost?
< 1421486268 769517 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ive been trying to pursuade my IT teacher to install linux into the deepfreeze program in the computers so I can code more 
< 1421486271 348678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So it looks like "GHC checks type 'equality' without checking kinds" is a problem in more than just Typeable.
< 1421486287 12270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you think of anywhere else where it could allow unsafeCoerce?
< 1421486305 818091 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a rediculous ammount
< 1421486309 381805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why would you ever play that card?
< 1421486318 439250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: um what you found was just exhaustiveness checking, no?
< 1421486336 255409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: To improve your life total
< 1421486381 577940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, it doesn't complain even though you're matching on an impossible pattern
< 1421486388 19534 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume your life total goes up and the opponant draws three so maybe you can withstand the attacks that are already being placed?
< 1421486407 891312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think it's pretty well known that part of ghc isn't "perfect"?
< 1421486413 732663 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :opponent&
< 1421486419 505891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not unsafe just because of that
< 1421486424 366001 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't brain I has the dumb
< 1421486447 911381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: Yes
< 1421486457 548466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although maybe it should be 7 life
< 1421486459 152362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe.
< 1421486467 671364 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes to what?
< 1421486476 179561 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :my response of summerization
< 1421486490 199798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Giving your opponent three cards seems like a huge cost regardless.
< 1421486500 220678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe your goal is to make them lose by drawing the last few cards of their library.
< 1421486516 440181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone try GHC.Exts.coerce yet
< 1421486518 820820 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can only draw land?
< 1421486523 356712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you use it enough they will not have enough cards left
< 1421486524 949330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the built-in Coercible stuff
< 1421486540 55629 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways
< 1421486540 373747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bargain costs 2W and has a similar effect (+7 life, one card)
< 1421486545 349264 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo PRIVMSG #esoteric :o/
< 1421486633 680816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I guess this is meant for Limited?
< 1421486665 705197 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, mainly
< 1421486671 38861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know of any other case where GHC will let you match on something that brings an invalid type equality into scope.
< 1421486818 886270 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, you should be also allowed to remove any counters from yourself too
< 1421487063 961870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1421487621 614875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Argh
< 1421488287 134211 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: awake now :P
< 1421488350 349146 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay!
< 1421488367 614342 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was interesting how much better your unsafePerformIO is than mine and runST
< 1421488398 305185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hi, I had to kill lambdabot
< 1421488410 692557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can unsafeCoerce with just TypeFamilies and Typeable
< 1421488415 50726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1421488492 180524 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks. so the quit-twice mechanic finally found some use...
< 1421488556 187301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I was worried it'd respond to the @quit too slowly the second time to trigger that
< 1421488564 374081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it was busy joining channels
< 1421488580 288617 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: http://lpaste.net/74498
< 1421488580 737333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it might be safe as long as you stop Data.Typeable from being accessed
< 1421488588 383902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the exploits so far use Data.Typeable.cast
< 1421488597 197139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like GHC.Exts.coerce might do it too though
< 1421488604 406107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not sure, maybe not)
< 1421488716 424646 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, but how many modules like Data.Typeable.Lens are out there? (this one reexports cast, and another function based on it.)
< 1421488732 274454 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421488738 147343 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hthats the code im talking about
< 1421488755 494491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah
< 1421488762 885564 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :performIO m = b (a m ()) where
< 1421488763 36374 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : a :: IO a -> rw -> (# rw, a #)
< 1421488763 36517 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : a = unsafeCoerce
< 1421488763 36593 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : b :: (# rw, a #) -> a
< 1421488763 36666 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : b (# _, x #) = x
< 1421488767 141670 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my attempt
< 1421488772 670655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: and you can probably get it from tons of things that are based on top of cast too
< 1421488773 381918 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :always segfaults afterwards though
< 1421488798 125074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: tbh if there's nothing else sensitive on the VPS I might just take a backup and let it run, since I don't think the bug has been publicised anywhere but trac and here
< 1421488808 410073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fuss for you of course though
< 1421488824 685074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno if people have checked if it works in HEAD
< 1421488827 665653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess probably since the bug is open
< 1421489072 673328 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've checked the #10000 version on ghc head. it's essentially the same thing...
< 1421489095 904630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1421489133 28830 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit dismayed that this works without PolyKinds and DataKinds, has oerjan given details?
< 1421489146 556574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1421489152 373598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oerjan.nvg.org/lbexploits/Exploit3.hs
< 1421489183 618394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OldTypeable is probably fine :P
< 1421489187 511460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe?)
< 1421489200 398403 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421489206 249973 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, another level of indirection... thanks
< 1421489264 766083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: afaict there is no reason you can't just make mueval run inside a chroot
< 1421489268 409895 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a good demonstration that including the full kind will be the only thing that's going to work.
< 1421489275 435005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then none of this would matter
< 1421489287 674876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, use Gregor's UMLBox like HackEgo, maybe :p
< 1421489289 670724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit slower though
< 1421489292 372483 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldnt it just be less dangerous
< 1421489305 793737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: well you wouldn't be able to do any useful IO without a linux kernel bug
< 1421489308 797582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which exist, but
< 1421489311 262987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a short-term solution...
< 1421489332 815572 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :escaping chroots is an easy exercise ... but ... people would have to write shell code, transplant it into L.hs somehow, it adds up.
< 1421489338 959139 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you still screw upt he chroot forcing lambdabot to reboot?
< 1421489344 995388 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you escape chroot?
< 1421489363 436357 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(easy if you have a local root exploit to work from, which a determined attacker will have)
< 1421489387 84184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: as a non-root user, you're not meant to be able to
< 1421489396 93889 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :chroot would definitely raise the bar
< 1421489406 132372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chroots aren't perfect namespaces though, there are other leaks, but
< 1421489432 757976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: also, the user lambdabot runs as doesn't have to have access to the password file, or write access to anything but L.hs and other state
< 1421489447 835788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1421489452 709604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if you source the password as an rc it does
< 1421489464 234900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it's uh
< 1421489466 481291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very secure password
< 1421489479 32813 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could change it ;-)
< 1421489485 805352 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I see no reason to)
< 1421489900 533627 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay... I can do read-only binds on the VPS. so a chroot is within reach.
< 1421489927 281365 :jbkcc!~textual@c-24-6-1-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1421491354 141354 :scoofy!~spirit@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1421491609 585008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: note that e.g. getting lambdabot to quit would require being able to kill it
< 1421491613 213137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since mueval runs as a separate process, at least
< 1421492298 287971 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw your @quit was accepted in 170 seconds and the threashold is 300. So that seems to be okay.
< 1421492361 486898 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1421492363 76172 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bringing lambdabot back with mueval running in an ad-hoch chroot (which can still read more than strictly necessary, but has no write access anywhere important)
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< 1421492994 134083 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1421493102 23171 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this looks so silly: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/mounts.txt
< 1421493114 65380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1421493126 323209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I allowed to unsafePerformIO-steal the password that I already have
< 1421493136 825243 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1421493140 720792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too lazy actually
< 1421493147 386015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 123
< 1421493148 875283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 123
< 1421493149 256538 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually
< 1421493158 151895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could bind mount /dev/null over that file
< 1421493159 429357 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the password is not visible, that's in ~lambda/run
< 1421493162 523811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, nice
< 1421493169 303456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: uh
< 1421493181 173101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: is anything stopping you from making a {-# LANGUAGE Trustworthy #-} L.hs
< 1421493184 177430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it doesn't matter
< 1421493185 256939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's unsafe anyway
< 1421493191 862983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also I guess L.hs isn't trusted
< 1421493192 616859 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're read-only bind mounts
< 1421493196 389467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah
< 1421493302 777239 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the UID would be wrong for write access, too)
< 1421493324 426920 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 
< 1421493325 723978 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : not an expression: ‘’
< 1421493402 702295 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker
< 1421493525 900948 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1421493599 507501 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can you say if I did anything absurdly stupid in  http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/chroot.c ?
< 1421493615 673336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm no export but you know chroot(1) exists, right?
< 1421493625 301183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I guess you'd need sudo too
< 1421493628 212647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so never mind
< 1421493631 771833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*expert either
< 1421493635 902098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks reasonable though
< 1421493644 829018 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I needed something to make setuid root anyway.
< 1421493649 310283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you could use unshare(2) to make a namespace
< 1421493665 790073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, or even just seccomp
< 1421493674 544469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's perfect because all it can do is read and write
< 1421493685 732566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :could even skip the chroot at that point
< 1421493689 167986 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> oeis [1,3,5]
< 1421493690 663204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘oeis’
< 1421493698 960849 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1421493700 834680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those working from @run is a bug anyway :p
< 1421493825 994947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course seccomp stops you exec()ing, so hm
< 1421493829 402615 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :seccomp won't work for me; I can't touch the kernel.
< 1421493839 157235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it enabled by default
< 1421493845 361490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrome uses it
< 1421493870 393376 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :who runs chrome on a vps?
< 1421493876 671271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I mean
< 1421493882 426927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been in the kernel since 2005
< 1421493888 93133 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok, how do I figure out whether it's supported...
< 1421493894 513340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used by multiple major applications for security by now
< 1421493915 113570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: grep the kconfig in /proc or wherever it is?
< 1421493923 8682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget the exact filename
< 1421493944 945488 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh openssh has support for it, that may motivate an vps provider to enable it
< 1421493990 132942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that exec is *not* one of the syscalls you can do post-seccomp, without seccomp-bpf, so I guess you might have to patch mueval. but it would certainly be a long-term solution, since it's pretty airtight
< 1421493990 295216 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :/proc/config.gz, but that feature is disabled
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< 1421494033 989720 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*patch* mueval? that horror needs to be rewritten ... oh time ... oh motivation!
< 1421494317 741026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1421494321 646804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just meant patch it to do one syscall :)
< 1421494326 568707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also use seccomp-bpf and allow exec though
< 1421494342 835664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I don't know if that is safe.
< 1421494411 833580 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryjnewxghdpflguo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1421494452 40735 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm satisfied with the relative safety for now.
< 1421494465 428849 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thanks for the ideas
< 1421494501 961760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So, a method of finding and patching the system calls at runtime was devised. It uses a disassembler on the executable code, finds each system call and turns it into an RPC to the trusted thread." chrome used to do terrifying things
< 1421494549 287321 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( sounds like light-weight valgrind or qemu )
< 1421494677 769025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :import qualified Elliott as E
< 1421494690 644980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1421494703 311624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just now reading that export/expert thing.
< 1421494707 187765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1421494713 956100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm not qualified to answer.
< 1421494715 682367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, I see.
< 1421494792 628866 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: really the main reason I wrote that little C program is that scripts cannot be setuid, and I was too lazy to look for an existing wheel.
< 1421494826 647527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1421495795 917900 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION idly wonders how the VPS boots with an empty fstab...
< 1421495880 727851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :passing root=?
< 1421495889 345566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :systemd can do partition autodiscovery stuff nowadays but it's probably not that
< 1421495948 899744 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's no hypervisor, just a container. so all the mounts can be prepared from outside.
< 1421495985 520525 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and right, systemd is also magical)
< 1421496010 764669 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so perhaps a mounted root partition is enough to get things running)
< 1421496030 255655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's not a real VPS, just a docker thing? okay
< 1421496041 435750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that surprises me. that's a relatively new thing
< 1421496054 840907 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://openvz.org/Main_Page
< 1421496055 838175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I trust containers that much yet...
< 1421496059 305027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1421496066 688737 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not docker.
< 1421496067 443981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, OpenVZ is old but it's really bad I think
< 1421496071 625123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, tons of stuff doesn't seem to work on it
< 1421496151 365974 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1421496220 760749 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's good enough to lambdabot anyway. :P
< 1421496224 492773 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/to/for/
< 1421496308 974444 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but yes, the container is leaky. pstree was behaving odd for a while, for example. and the brutal filtering of dmesg is a bit annoying (I tend to look there for clues when things go wrong))
< 1421496437 185594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it also doesn't support a bunch of "standard" things like tun/tap and stuff
< 1421496437 949261 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main criterion for running lambdabot is that the provider does not noticably overcommit the RAM. And that seems to work okay.
< 1421496442 548961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does weird things with memory accounting
< 1421496452 135152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, OpenVZ is specifically used because you can overcommit a ton :)
< 1421496463 148834 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said *provider*
< 1421496466 737026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1421496485 799858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if they use OpenVZ, it's quite likely to cut costs by letting them oversell RAM.
< 1421496512 809114 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm sure they do overcommit, because few people actually use all their RAM all the time.
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< 1421496562 98443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1421496580 75170 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway. it works, mostly, and at less than $5 a month I honestly don't expect much more.
< 1421496588 919260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's it with?
< 1421496601 713424 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ramnode
< 1421496611 41641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1421496620 449718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get like $10/year if you're willing to put up with total crap :)
< 1421496646 579256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or $35/forever if you want a completely useless and constantly failing box like esolangs.org and HackEgo run on -_-
< 1421496650 62200 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but lambdabot needs 200-300 MB when it runs mueval. total crap won't work.
< 1421496697 91609 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually ghc's memory usage is quite crazy.)
< 1421496735 419445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to work on that @run-without-reloading-GHC-constantly replacement, except that I don't actually care any more
< 1421496742 229149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*replacement plugin,
< 1421496800 675493 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't be bothered; I expect such a server would leak memory, and at that point I begin prefer the current solution, as bad as it is.
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< 1421496838 400843 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some "to" missing there)\
< 1421496841 830729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1421496845 763548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ghci leak memory?
< 1421496870 396403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Roilan, from TragicServers, is back with these improved offers exclusively available on LowEndBox." bargain basement VPS providers have worrying names
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< 1421497739 118093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The $35/forever was for two gigabytes of RAM.
< 1421497816 981311 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds legit
< 1421497898 848838 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't have long running ghci sessions. I know that ghc --make leaks heavily.
< 1421498057 269781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does $35/forever sound like a pyramid scheme to me?
< 1421498554 393572 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PART :#esoteric
< 1421498716 152904 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be a good band name
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< 1421498959 813837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: "How can you do this for this price?" "We've already built and own the infrastructure, we don't have the same cost model as our competitors. Our space, power and internet costs are far lower, and we pass the savings on to you."
< 1421499008 708167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sorry, it was $35/forever (or $1/month) for just a half gig, the 2 GB version is $140/forever or $20/month.
< 1421499114 324788 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, where do they get the free electricity?
< 1421499139 980592 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, cost models
< 1421499148 903029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's all about cost models.
< 1421499150 688709 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cost model may include a planned bankruptcy
< 1421499178 595646 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that brings me straight back to the pyramid scheme association)
< 1421499189 64305 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very possibly. Or I guess it's just barely possible they've figured enough people are paying the per-month prices to cover operating costs, at least if they cut corners enough.
< 1421499229 88679 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, $20/month for the 2GB version?
< 1421499257 4927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. It's $1/month for 512 MB, $10/month for 1 GB, $20/month for 2 GB.
< 1421499269 853069 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ... interesting.
< 1421499276 327409 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cost models
< 1421499295 262273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair it's an already-established provider that I think has a lot of money to throw around running this
< 1421499298 70531 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider the people who put up their phpbb board and get two hits per month from googlebot, never using $140 of resources for a whole lifetime
< 1421499300 772487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not very sustainable yes
< 1421499320 412724 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I guess they figured that anybody not picking the 512 MB option will actually require a decent amount of memory. unlike all those webservers that run one apache instance)
< 1421499333 205752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fibernetics.ca/ the company
< 1421499349 680137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also $40/month for 4 GB, $60/month for 6 GB and $80/month for 8 GB. So it's strictly linear in terms of RAM, except for the $1/month that's presumably there for shock value.
< 1421499378 824599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh, it's probably worth more at $1/month than $35/forever
< 1421499386 457485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you'll probably get sick of how often it goes down before 35 months pass
< 1421499386 624019 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can oversell the 512MB plan much more than the larger ones.
< 1421499452 275230 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just curious what kind of probably-legal-but-ethically-speaking fraud they're pulling off there.
< 1421499518 153076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they have a lot of money to burn and figure that most people will buy a $35/forever one just because "how can you not at that price?", and then rarely use it because it's low-end and goes down a lot and comes with ~no support and sucks.
< 1421499522 380375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a reasonable way of figuring out when a Debian system was initially installed? E.g. some file timestamps? 
< 1421499539 961325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think debian-installer leaves a log somewhere
< 1421499544 602084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fish around /var/log?
< 1421499563 297830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's /var/log/apt but all files there are weekly cycled, at least on this box.
< 1421499565 87968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, their $10/mo and up plans look actually sustainable
< 1421499576 976198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, there's an "installer".
< 1421499590 200697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they're broadly comparable to DigitalOcean prices and so on
< 1421499601 205423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every file in /var/log/installer/ is timestamped Oct 5, 2013, which sounds reasonable.
< 1421499638 662419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's been... maybe 15 months now.
< 1421499663 895998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're subsidising the super cheap one with existing cash + more expensive monthly plans + below-average operating costs (so more profit from the more expensive ones than other providers) + not bothering with decent support etc. + most people who buy super-cheap dodgy-looking lifetime VPSes won't bother using them enough for the sale to be a loss
< 1421499679 530483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, they obviously got a lot of publicity for this
< 1421499694 134515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means (assuming current prices match the original) it was a good investment (FSVO), since for the 2GB level, 15 months at $20/month is $300, but the one-time fee is $140.
< 1421499699 949693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I dunno, I could see them running for years if they got lucky
< 1421499768 763597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: also consider that anyone who really uses the resources will probably need to upgrade eventually, either to one of their more expensive models (= more $$$ for them), or to another provider (thus meaning it's just a dormant VM they're paying for again)
< 1421499784 853659 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and maybe they're hoping that people who actually need more resources will outgrow their plan... as you just wrote
< 1421499807 275424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how they have a 50% off sale right now.
< 1421499811 85190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that on the lifetime prices too, I wonder?
< 1421499836 279239 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, crappy vm that I never use for $17.50? that sounds reasonable
< 1421499852 167828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would buy it for that price :)
< 1421499874 402702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh and also they can always stop offering these lifetime VPSes at any time
< 1421499902 297403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so honestly I feel like it could be pretty smart on the whole
< 1421499913 467893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still risky, but I'm not convinced they'll go bust super quickly
< 1421500023 622163 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Current total: $17.50"
< 1421500039 333863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :					<li onClick="javascript:location.href='http://www.cloudatcost.com/aboutus.php';"><a href="#">about us</a></li>
< 1421500042 337198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, but why.
< 1421500098 411846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: nice, run lambdabot on that and if anyone trashes it they'll be doing you a favour
< 1421500128 32499 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1421500295 292751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, let's read the terms and conditions
< 1421500325 672861 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Master Services Agreement" is a great name.
< 1421500386 89339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one-off prices are also "LIMITED TIME", at least according to the "step 1" ordering page.
< 1421500391 888550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they've been like that for quite a while now.
< 1421500405 643717 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421500407 857245 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, can you translate this into english? "It is the Customer's responsibility to provide, prepare and maintain the Customer's locations, facilities and equipment for the installation of CloudatCost Facilities and for CloudatCost to provide the Services to the Customer. Such provision, preparation and maintenance shall comply with CloudatCost' specifications and shall be at the Customer's expense."
< 1421500442 349255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: They'll come into your home and install some equipment and bill you for it.
< 1421500473 849108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Basically, turn your house into one of their datacenters, at your expense.
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< 1421500565 351372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you have to keep your house tidy or they won't give you a server
< 1421500579 432809 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they didn't spend any money on lawyers either.
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< 1421500923 93785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe they did, and that's just one of the traps they set.
< 1421500991 990430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does sound like a clause from a totally different agreement.
< 1421501067 164769 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LIMITED TIME" sounds about right
< 1421501144 52974 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Customer shall be liable to CloudatCost for all damages caused to real or tangible personal property, or for bodily injury or death caused by the Customer or an End User."
< 1421501158 769588 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like they've had experience with disgruntled customers.
< 1421501375 539555 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"19.10This Agreement has been drawn up in the English language at the express request of the parties." -- aha.
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< 1421501611 506397 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the privacy policy is a copy of  http://www.worldline.ca/privacy-policy  ... they didn't even bother to change the link.
< 1421501785 704837 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that also seems to be the original source for the remaining terms. now worldline is a telco, so all those references to equipment on the customer's location make sense.
< 1421501821 931419 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...isn't that fun...
< 1421502079 725466 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're connected though. "[...] Less than a year later, Cloud at Cost – a hosting service with a $35 one-time fee and no monthly bill – has raked in $1 million without any marketing, and injected fresh energy into Fibernetics, a Waterloo Region-based telecom provider founded 11 years ago."
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< 1421502315 944527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I see, Worldline is owned by the same company.
< 1421502320 433325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you said that
< 1421502340 254914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder about the breakdown of that $1M
< 1421502537 720899 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"$35 is an easy purchase to get something that you can categorize as a toy, and get on it and play around."
< 1421502577 788564 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One of the founders compares the $35 lifetime plan to the Raspberry Pi)
< 1421502666 380835 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading http://news.communitech.ca/columns/cloud-at-cost-injects-fibernetics-with-startup-energy/ there are some other interesting points.
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< 1421504675 956917 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :a*a + b*b < 4 gives me, http://i.imgur.com/bJ6tJpr.png and a+b<2 gives me http://i.imgur.com/ZwNH2xO.png, but shouldn't they be the same according to the Pythagorean theorem
< 1421504697 898727 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?!
< 1421504717 801264 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt(a^2 + b^2) does not equal a+b.
< 1421504725 599757 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry if I said something completely inaccurate
< 1421504734 431342 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh
< 1421504747 908887 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shopping is math, let's go hard
< 1421504749 19944 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get more sleep
< 1421504790 663781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't need to make fun of people for remembering a theorem wrong
< 1421504796 308127 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said the second picture looks more interesting.
< 1421504825 204126 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: of course not.
< 1421504827 268784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a mandelbrot spider in itsweb
< 1421504828 580771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its web
< 1421504832 660905 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I remember the theorem fine, I just can't think
< 1421504848 550312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fine :p
< 1421504860 915208 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, my code for that is here http://ahk.us.to/?p=38307e
< 1421504874 149116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :autohotkey golf is less fine though
< 1421504881 855696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my limits
< 1421504886 330245 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1421504892 251044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you need those spaces
< 1421504913 358494 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking I might be able to remove the space between w%w% and h%h%
< 1421504915 795532 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once wrote "(x + y)^2 = x^2 + y^2" in a physics exam. it was far from my proudest moments...
< 1421504916 754610 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other than that, yes
< 1421504936 144187 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Well, if that were true it'd make my code much more fun
< 1421504938 536676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: freshman's dream
< 1421504964 659873 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude: sometimes, it can be!
< 1421504972 628903 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes
< 1421504980 206755 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even a broken clock is right sometimes
< 1421504989 590766 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ah just work with some field of characteristic 2. but I guess that doesn't happen so often in physics.
< 1421505019 125202 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude: twice a day, the saying goes.
< 1421505028 681949 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what if it's a 24 hour clock?
< 1421505030 583259 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wasn't there some other equation called that? something that has an integral somewhere...
< 1421505051 949849 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: damned reality...
< 1421505093 737896 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude: http://www.watchtime.com/watches/images_db/big/109_glycine_3856.jpg :D
< 1421505114 26630 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I want one, but it's prohibititatively expensive.)
< 1421505315 144106 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what am I looking at?
< 1421505367 292707 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 hours, and I guess one of those rings can be turned..
< 1421505377 391949 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't see the attraction.
< 1421505488 867501 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are all those variations: http://www.glycine-watch.ch/e/collection/collection_overview.e.jsp?ID_Group=100000
< 1421505551 373337 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an elegant watch. not a big impossible monster that covers your whole arm. none of those extraneous thingies. just the right amount of information density.
< 1421505556 927601 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has 24 hours!
< 1421505631 649028 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 NICK :MDude
< 1421505778 433660 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly I think the 24 hour thing would only serve to confuse me :)
< 1421505798 797243 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I guess one would get used to it after a while)
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< 1421507905 187611 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, another great potential savings: the VPS defaults to "save mode" - it shuts down itself after 7 days.
< 1421508391 886615 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the typo is mine)
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< 1421509352 125774 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :An IP change when re-imaging. Interesting...
< 1421509535 244029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you buy one of them just to investigate
< 1421509557 318660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're supporting their business model :)
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< 1421509855 710442 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure did.
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< 1421512213 511759 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think of it as a Telco-who-sells-toys-as-a-side-business, which is a charming idea ;-)
< 1421512288 793902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. unfortunately we rely on one of those toys for our wiki :p
< 1421512738 835988 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1421512749 946086 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i could get some good lambda terms tto test my program on from BLC
< 1421512754 995128 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I realized they are lazy....
< 1421512765 995354 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :do yonkow where i can get some free strict lambda terms
< 1421512784 288994 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the fun in that
< 1421512801 167381 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :itsn ot so much fun , but helps me test my compiler works
< 1421512890 481726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh BLC is strict?
< 1421512894 788587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a little sad
< 1421512895 711265 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLC is lazy.
< 1421512901 24211 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :my language is strict
< 1421512902 396063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1421512909 462039 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could use futamura to port cod efrom otherl languages but its a lot of work......
< 1421512960 107059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can write strict lambda terms for $100/hour <_<
< 1421512973 543748 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x.x
< 1421512983 476218 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : icant afford that!
< 1421512988 723455 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people can.
< 1421513019 593690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :(
< 1421513048 344954 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: why don't you take a couple of church numerals, say evaluate (\f x.f (f (f (f x)))) (\f x. f (f (f (f x))))
< 1421513070 608915 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ys il definitely do a few of those
< 1421513095 16583 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are essentially folds and can be evaluated strictly. most of the really interesting code involved fixed points and those are icky in strict lambda calculus.
< 1421513117 547277 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the lazyness lets the code be shorter
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< 1421513341 984135 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and some neat blc programs have infinite output)
< 1421513360 760448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is probably an easy lazy->strict conversion?
< 1421513413 976718 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think CBN CPS would work
< 1421513425 742588 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dont wnat to introduce more stuff that might have bugs in it
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< 1421515618 975928 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, why do I have rpcbind running on that VPS now?
< 1421515661 700795 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :some nfs support apparently.
< 1421515664 457691 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :NFS?
< 1421515696 413058 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson!
< 1421515696 943287 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-152-253.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421515707 47572 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants this sh... stuff?
< 1421515712 378493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, the VPS?
< 1421515715 467137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1421515738 543070 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lambdabot vps?
< 1421515758 630470 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the brand new cheap one
< 1421515762 1624 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421515769 845322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for sale: baby vps, never worn
< 1421515791 573168 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pristine file system
< 1421515838 353570 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lambdabot vps only listens to port 22 from outside (and so, now, does the cheap one)
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< 1421516464 767678 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :helpful. "Jan 17 12:38:54 cheap mpt-statusd: detected non-optimal RAID status" ["cheap" is the hostname]
< 1421516507 927726 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"non-optimal", nice euphemism
< 1421516533 14278 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it means, apparently, is "open /dev/mptctl: No such file or directory"
< 1421516558 10521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt there's much optimal about any of it
< 1421516576 449008 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what this is doing at all on a VPS.
< 1421516870 973782 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH NICK :NotJesseH
< 1421516873 92164 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and look at all these kernel modules ... sound... I guess that's important!
< 1421516890 222039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can make noise in their data centre with it
< 1421516905 237749 :NotJesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH NICK :JesseH
< 1421516915 833780 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a drm module
< 1421516930 452335 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is amazing how many songs it is possible to sing to the tune of House of the Rising Sun
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< 1421517161 36405 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think drm here means drm rather than drm
< 1421517176 221497 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :direct rendering mode, of course
< 1421517181 519758 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :important in a headless server
< 1421517183 422081 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1421517209 855390 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :digital remodelling?
< 1421517220 558064 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it running a display manager too, for that all-important graphical login?
< 1421517258 579040 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, Just played house of the rising sun instrumental along with a tupac acapella and it worked sort of
< 1421517264 885296 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just dome gettys. (I actually have some vnc-like interface where I get to see the text console, even during boot.
< 1421517267 929569 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1421517273 304130 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they're using some vmware thingy)
< 1421517282 863942 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH, Drop It Like It's Hot works, and 99 Red Balloons aaalmost does
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< 1421517332 711358 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, Try playing it along with a science lecture
< 1421517345 806977 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might write a lang that does just this
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< 1421518522 556388 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what
< 1421519088 246922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421519181 996903 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ComeFrom214]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41693&oldid=41688 5* 03DDR 5* (+679) 10Added pedigree, tags.
< 1421519236 308763 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ComeFrom214]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41694&oldid=41693 5* 03DDR 5* (+6) 10Found out where an uncommented line of text went. Commented it out.
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< 1421519642 810870 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, to me?
< 1421519821 279911 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: no, it was unrelated
< 1421519825 627281 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1421519833 853223 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poo, was hoping you were interested
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< 1421520643 834105 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ComeFrom214]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41695&oldid=41694 5* 03DDR 5* (+1642) 10Annotated counting to 10.
< 1421520811 361335 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, the bot shows wiki updates?
< 1421520820 55717 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1421520826 587849 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would have been useful (one sec)
< 1421520857 452047 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :a year ago
< 1421521002 163784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't do that a year ago.
< 1421521009 877280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a relatively new feature.
< 1421521025 645169 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was probably added because somebody thought it'd be useful
< 1421521033 922062 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a guess.
< 1421521043 850593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think it was added because MediaWiki supported it.
< 1421521063 428861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, the kind of climbing-Everest style justification of "because it was there".
< 1421521083 433300 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also a possibility
< 1421521090 550727 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be a combination of both!
< 1421521116 178039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One further contributing factor was that the wiki moved to be on the same system as the bot.
< 1421521124 150610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though that's not strictly speaking a requirement for it.
< 1421521136 313156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The updates are sent over UDP.)
< 1421521149 226600 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, you'd have insider knowledge about that
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< 1421527496 830545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: So what's the situation with lambdabot?
< 1421527505 655461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You put it in a chroot?
< 1421527680 384401 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mueval is chrooted
< 1421527689 304599 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not so worried about lambdabot itself
< 1421527726 382346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are enough extensions for the bug?
< 1421527736 79576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so you should turn DataKinds back on at one point.
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< 1421529176 485893 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have had quite an enjoyable chinese talkaway
< 1421529704 808752 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :tIEsLEEP
< 1421529771 935333 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1421529798 63931 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Refl
< 1421529798 892471 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a1 :~: a1
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< 1421531017 269791 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it written in an esolang?
< 1421531046 319481 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looking for general purpose esolang
< 1421531119 200450 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if any good ones are available.
< 1421531136 439219 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :(good being pretty vague)
< 1421531215 232654 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably one with batteries included, so to speak.
< 1421531253 909950 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe look at the golfscript family? I dunno.
< 1421531341 778859 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :your requirements may be self-contradictory; included batteries usually indicate some sort of success, and that means the language fails to be esoteric.
< 1421531373 376945 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed
< 1421531404 911918 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a language can be esoteric and still be able to do things.
< 1421531409 752660 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: if you just want an esoteric _core_ but with a non-esoteric easy to use interface over it, just go with x86_64 and C++.
< 1421531438 980909 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want something exotic, try some scheme or smalltalk thingy maybe? or, I dunno
< 1421531442 15980 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy to use? I don't remember typing that.
< 1421531481 987661 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey, I expected these answers :)
< 1421531488 108809 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just not sure what youw ant then
< 1421531534 316876 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you just want an esolang that lets you call into existing libraries, including ones written in non-eso langs? 
< 1421531545 28892 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like haskell or something)
< 1421531587 385062 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps, or ones just written in that language, but yeah some higher level things just in an esoteric way
< 1421531615 88655 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about J then?
< 1421531663 569042 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps
< 1421531675 54967 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: as you've probably seen, oerjan figured out that just TypeFamilies + DeriveDataTypeable and StandaloneDeriving  or  AutoDeriveTypeable + RankNTypes (to get rid of typeable constraints) suffices for exploiting that bug. I have not yet managed to do it without type families, though it looks like it should be possible to exploit fundeps instead.
< 1421531725 99449 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: (brb with DataKinds)
< 1421531743 790472 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I am being self contradictory
< 1421531749 304005 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undecided
< 1421531763 630481 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing the boundaries
< 1421531926 820841 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the asm suggestion was valid
< 1421531947 714193 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a stricter definition of esoteric.
< 1421531986 971181 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421532050 717107 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you consider "batteries"?
< 1421532063 392167 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421532124 13336 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you just want graphics and sound interface for an esolang, there's IBNIZ and ByteByteJump.
< 1421532244 357244 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, BytePusher is the version with graphics.
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< 1421532297 462069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, I was part of that outfiguring.
< 1421532307 190595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: You don't even need DeriveDataTypeable, do you?
< 1421532331 59479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's latest thing just turned on TypeFamilies.
< 1421532360 735342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: By the way, if you switch from TypeFamilies to some other extensions providing similar power, you won't get KindSignatures turning on automatically.
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< 1421532462 812633 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: right, he did.
< 1421532486 900645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be possible to have GHC infer the kinds, though.
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< 1421532889 973186 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421533010 979682 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, sockets, split, and other things
< 1421533045 358311 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :could just add those things to my own lang
< 1421533127 949456 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421533282 703704 :tIEsLEEP!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul
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< 1421534142 583734 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1421534763 630584 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is lambdabot fixed
< 1421534777 351162 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pizza
< 1421534778 397496 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘pizza’
< 1421534813 588392 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ordered Pizza Frutti de Mare with Pineapple and Anchovies.
< 1421534817 521500 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for OT
< 1421535089 350296 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421535103 281983 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1
< 1421535104 781692 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1
< 1421535134 716150 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 ( 1 )
< 1421535136 133821 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (a0 -> t))
< 1421535136 284351 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from the ambiguity check for ‘e_111’
< 1421535136 284472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (GHC.Num.Num (a -> t), GHC.Num.Num a)
< 1421535171 321464 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1^2(7+7)\frac{dy}{dx}(7*8b^2)
< 1421535172 417685 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:9: parse error on input ‘\’
< 1421535181 418350 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1421535198 818517 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :touchè
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< 1421535682 232269 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> <
< 1421535683 335182 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:1: parse error on input ‘<’
< 1421535809 5483 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421535989 658025 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1421537109 143876 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any .XI instruments? I want to make AmigaMML in #EXTENDED mode to accept .XI instruments (in addition to what it already accepts).
< 1421537811 255608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421537846 781432 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know these things?
< 1421537877 992017 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to remember whether kiarchive or waveworld had any .XI files
< 1421537893 461701 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :>help
< 1421537900 754394 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: pls
< 1421537906 715840 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :milkytracker can readily fabricate them if you need them
< 1421538059 315274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: i think you want @help . > (which needs a space after) is only for evaluating haskell expressions.
< 1421538085 144335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help
< 1421538085 295288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :help <command>. Ask for help for <command>. Try 'list' for all commands
< 1421538134 436365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hey a suggestion: @help should show the prefixes, and > help  could be defined to do the same thing
< 1421538176 864501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> help
< 1421538178 448607 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘help’
< 1421538281 250943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e it might help newbies if @help showed lambdabot's prefixes, and help could be defined so > help does the same thing
< 1421538281 437866 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1421538723 803590 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekCraft
< 1421538918 71500 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks Mr. oerjan 
< 1421538924 719719 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, kiarchive has .XI instruments: http://modarchive.org/?faq-torrents-current
< 1421539011 612255 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421539081 550555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But do they have just some ZIP archives with a few files? I don't need all of them.
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< 1421543180 896580 :GeekCraft!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude
< 1421544446 230136 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where help
< 1421544446 380767 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got the code? Got the info? Then we've got the help for you!
< 1421544452 696100 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how helpful!)
< 1421544577 349375 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has decided that MPTC + fundep is probably not enough to exploit the Typeable hole. The problem is that while fundeps express injectivity, the compiler still refuses to deduce b ~ b' from  (Foo a b, Foo a b') with  class Foo a b | a -> b.
< 1421544701 229107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Ah, I've run into that before.
< 1421544762 659611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess Leibniz equality certainly isn't enough for this.
< 1421544888 256571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether GHC should do the optimization where it doesn't check the tag for a GADT where only a single summand is possible.
< 1421544904 981166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your exploit code becomes more readable if one abbreviates the proxies: type A = Proxy (Proxy :: * -> *); type B = Proxy (Proxy :: (* -> *) -> *)
< 1421544921 176407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I've been doing that.
< 1421544939 861751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I called them PT and P'T before, but I also switched to PX and PY for the non-DataKinds version.
< 1421544982 29196 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rather than 'munge' I added {-# NOINLINE ecast #-}
< 1421545016 220240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that was discussed above.
< 1421545032 873744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan was trying to avoid pragmas for some reason.
< 1421545051 399223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think it's possible without kind signatures?
< 1421545053 93739 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh but why...
< 1421545080 579784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it matters if only TypeFamilies lets you do it.
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< 1421545884 820360 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio
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< 1421546996 792582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<int-e> oh but why... <-- i was just trying to avoid any extra things that might be easily disabled.
< 1421547031 931046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pragmas seem like something you might sometimes want to disable for safety
< 1421547058 629234 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.69.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've finally managed to implement BCT in MNNBFSL, I think.
< 1421547067 402274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats!
< 1421547082 733399 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.69.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you.
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< 1421548190 436182 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:b40e:716b:e7d5:ad15 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1421549254 264079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t coerce
< 1421549255 271328 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Contravariant f, Functor f) => f a -> f b
< 1421549267 751033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's not that one
< 1421549277 771872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t GHC.Exts.coerce
< 1421549278 582457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Types.Coercible a b => a -> b
< 1421549307 823413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> GHC.Exts.coerce 'a' :: Identity Char
< 1421549308 996831 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘GHC.Exts.coerce’
< 1421549516 294743 :jbkcc!~textual@c-24-6-1-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1421549535 849868 :jbkcc!~textual@c-24-6-1-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421550336 803831 :jbkcc!~textual@c-24-6-1-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1421550548 315055 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1421550640 719980 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421551044 104726 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421552035 622996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Taneb> It is amazing how many songs it is possible to sing to the tune of House of the Rising Sun <-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_metre
< 1421552054 566148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :poignant name
< 1421552113 605978 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funptr
< 1421552161 149298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that word doesn't mean what i thought it meant. :(
< 1421552192 261073 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which word
< 1421552201 447651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :poignant
< 1421552210 575900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you think it meant twh
< 1421552213 156998 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it mean?
< 1421552223 648764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing grace has to be the most vanilla melody _ever_, it's common metre _and_ pentatonal
< 1421552232 118208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: appropriate
< 1421552237 738115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: emotional
< 1421552260 902486 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazing
< 1421552265 105846 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[| ]
< 1421552287 973335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it _does_ mean that
< 1421552306 536393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the google extracts were misleading
< 1421552321 775828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1421552332 716517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :poignant means appropriate?
< 1421552346 614294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, relevant
< 1421552353 111858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :3rd meaning on wiktionary
< 1421552364 572574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough to fit how i used it, anyway
< 1421552381 929724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1421552391 298653 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its emotionally Appropriate?
< 1421552418 850814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: i'm not sure those two meanings fit together like that
< 1421552440 969064 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1421552449 106388 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its better than emotionally inappropriate.
< 1421554068 162642 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1421554098 313966 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1421554286 317831 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421554386 261288 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1421554407 398372 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit
< 1421556065 155612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh new golf
< 1421556382 629557 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1421557405 243775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to optimize .XM file by making it automatically decide how to put patterns
< 1421557447 4355 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a quick overview of xm format?
< 1421557456 622962 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can think about compressing them
< 1421557477 3199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can find a document on my gopher server, as well as in other places
< 1421557493 298071 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :can patterns contain patters
< 1421557496 667292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1421557504 219565 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :can patterns overlap?
< 1421557514 975294 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Quit: mitchs
< 1421557520 540469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1421557548 579286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pattern is a list of rows (note events), and the song consists of the list of patterns to play; it is possible to repeat a pattern
< 1421557689 847931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend first it can unroll all loops, dumping it into memory without patterns and just rows, and figuring out the global loop point, and then performing optimization to compress the tables.
< 1421557901 74236 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it could be possible to look for lots of repititions of a small length, then increase its size and see how many repitions drop off
< 1421557914 697444 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you can make a trade-off, choosing a good length of pattern to match
< 1421557916 575909 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an idea
< 1421558045 770283 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of patterns, number of rows in each pattern, and number of items in the pattern order table, are all limited to 256.
< 1421558624 774261 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421558802 636045 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can know how to unroll all loops and that stuff, but then the rest I don't know much about it
< 1421559168 74686 :^v!notPing@0587351146.wireless.umich.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421560052 748081 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 NICK :MDream
< 1421560372 684104 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [e^x]
< 1421560376 687952 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1421560380 885945 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :muahahha
< 1421560403 416477 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what I'm doing
< 1421560405 985589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [e^x]
< 1421560409 738899 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1421560423 53489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1421560449 546521 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong ones I think
< 1421560452 665982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e and x are of the Expr type, not ordinary numbers
< 1421560462 279107 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye
< 1421560474 559402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think ^ treats x as if it were infinite
< 1421560484 165992 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1421560485 540370 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1421560493 155967 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :its supposed to square it 
< 1421560507 100990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it squares e
< 1421560513 866559 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1421560517 813258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but x is divided by 2
< 1421560523 675801 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1421560540 202288 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess
< 1421560543 823518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no matter how many times you divide it by 2, it never compares equal to 0
< 1421560557 68659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the recursion never stops
< 1421560569 371821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (`div` 2) x
< 1421560570 566093 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [x,x `div` 2,x `div` 2 `div` 2,x `div` 2 `div` 2 `div` 2,x `div` 2 `div` 2 `...
< 1421560578 751229 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1421560581 855720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (==0) $ iterate (`div` 2) x
< 1421560583 214675 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [False,False,False,False,False,False,False,False,False,False,False,False,Fal...
< 1421560643 411556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Expr values are mainly for showing expressions in symbolic form, they support little else
< 1421560660 652576 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MNNBFSL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41696&oldid=41521 5* 03AndoDaan 5* (+1665) 10BCT interpreter in MNNBFSL
< 1421560668 277599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (2 `div`) x
< 1421560669 575154 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [x,2 `div` x,2 `div` (2 `div` x),2 `div` (2 `div` (2 `div` x)),2 `div` (2 `d...
< 1421560683 385400 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4b+e^2)\frac{dx}{dy}(6*7)+8=0
< 1421560696 520985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's latex
< 1421560700 801783 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I'm trying to fix
< 1421560718 789695 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :simplify*
< 1421560725 314578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i think something is missing there
< 1421560770 248492 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.69.220 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421560780 636771 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I was day dreaming a bit in class
< 1421560815 732546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, you're missing something at the beginning at least
< 1421560843 739665 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (3 `div`) e
< 1421560844 853992 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [e,3 `div` e,3 `div` (3 `div` e),3 `div` (3 `div` (3 `div` e)),3 `div` (3 `d...
< 1421560850 463483 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I c
< 1421560862 970573 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes probably let me get my notes
< 1421561087 737901 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :back ok so its a differntial equation
< 1421561109 372959 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :y(2x4+y)\frac{dy}{dx}=(1−4xy2)x2 and the last one was an older one from memory I think
< 1421561204 86457 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://quicklatex.com/cache3/ql_35ea3396669a170a74f119670e137b23_l3.png
< 1421561246 253139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hunch you're missing superscripts
< 1421561250 956731 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well I see what's wrong God dammit, teachers
< 1421561258 51808 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/o/
< 1421561275 788206 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I think
< 1421561308 5197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because putting numbers after variables is very unusual
< 1421561320 546865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they're sub- or superscripted
< 1421561336 223273 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill ask my teacher tmrow
< 1421561343 52453 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tommorow*
< 1421561357 315842 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have weekend school / tutoring
< 1421561381 885128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it weird that it has \frac but is missing the ^s for superscript
< 1421561429 116623 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where should the ^s be placed?
< 1421561430 640285 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421561440 208889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :between the variables and the following numbers
< 1421561445 162408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*digits
< 1421561456 836314 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1421561478 492162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume there are no multi-digit numbers, otherwise you would need {} brackets too
< 1421561497 342097 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct
< 1421561567 634589 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1421561585 569834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has forgotten most of the diff eq stuff
< 1421561608 245799 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo
< 1421561622 88102 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways thanks oerjan for some help
< 1421561628 465751 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill give credit
< 1421561635 894127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome
< 1421561643 966738 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1 points
< 1421561684 170989 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzz... 
< 1421561700 631914 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf NICK :Lilax|sleep
< 1421561823 71203 :^v!notPing@0587351146.wireless.umich.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1421561934 563884 :Froox!~Frooxius@ip-78-102-124-108.net.upcbroadband.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421562171 845793 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@ip-78-102-124-108.net.upcbroadband.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1421562433 501507 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I make up "Healing Deal" card:  You gain 12 life. Remove all counters from all players. Target opponent draws 4 cards, and then chooses 4 cards from your graveyard and shuffles them into your library. If you do not have that many cards in your graveyard, all of them are shuffled into your library. That opponent may untap a permanent of his choice; if he doesn't, he may gain 2 life.
< 1421562481 204104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What counters can a player have other than poison?
< 1421562514 596015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1421562544 661918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should say "his or her" the way MtG cards do.
< 1421562616 881395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to abbreviate it.
< 1421562638 303373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should abbreviate with e.g. "their" rather than his.
< 1421562661 540202 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take a stand and go with "it"
< 1421562715 303885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't take a s/h/it
< 1421563395 9619 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:b40e:716b:e7d5:ad15 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1421563418 288783 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:b40e:716b:e7d5:ad15 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421563830 28777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also made up a card "Dimir Ciphermage" which can have +1/+1 for each card encoded on it.
< 1421564298 656692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :glguy: oerjan: can we not do that in response to sincere requests?
< 1421564399 72683 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're the boss
< 1421564591 988824 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PART #esoteric :"Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"
< 1421565764 171408 :Lilax|sleep!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :%clone%clone%
< 1421565770 991320 :Lilax|sleep!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot sleep
< 1421566977 931299 :Lilax|sleep!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man
< 1421567001 529478 :Lilax|sleep!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to shorten the server msg I get for calling for server/port info 
< 1421567010 269664 :Lilax|sleep!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf NICK :Lilax
< 1421567038 709539 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it like shows how many errors and stuff I have plus server load and how many bytes pass through
< 1421568092 746237 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric : is it bad if I force add nicks that are past the nick limit
< 1421570807 978412 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421571546 326944 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what to do with that toy VPS (except marvel at how laggy it is)... http://104.167.104.168/
< 1421571562 842655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems fast to me
< 1421571565 757687 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, can you run xen microkernels like mirage?
< 1421571584 284553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get ~112ms ping
< 1421571588 212391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not that great.
< 1421571594 511649 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well I just logged in and it took seconds! to get a shell.
< 1421571608 296883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: maybe just try and use 100% CPU/network/disk 24/7 to help sabotage their business model
< 1421571616 327950 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this has not happened on the lambdabot one)
< 1421571618 160089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hmm, are you sure that wasn't because of reverse DNS lookups or whatever
< 1421571625 402321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh does that without "UseDNS no"
< 1421571631 493244 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, let me check
< 1421571809 862796 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess that was part of it.
< 1421571961 812073 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly I think a lot of stuff was swapped out
< 1421572269 73318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can xen swap VM memory like that?
< 1421572273 373707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's scary
< 1421572283 177957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is it even xen?)
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< 1421572967 966144 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I don't think we've reached the point where one can nest hypervisors yet, have we?
< 1421572998 940331 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hvae no idea
< 1421573020 225126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nested virtualisation is a thing, but mirage creates machines to run on xen, not hypervisors
< 1421573024 566291 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was asking because i have agood one you could run
< 1421573036 414117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if cloudatcost lets you upload, like, your own kernel thing, you should maybe be able to do it
< 1421573044 960690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of xen providers don't allow that though
< 1421573301 330418 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.69.220 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1421573350 157550 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :uploading kernels works fine. with good timing I can evel select from the grub boot menu if I give that enough time... but it's already running under a hypervisor (a vmware one judging by the boot BIOS splash) so a Xen kernel shouldn't work. (Oh there are people crazy enough to do such things. "HVX employs a technology called Binary Translation ..." err, right. that would work.)
< 1421573379 591146 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/with good timing I can eve// (didn't delete as much as I wanted)
< 1421573441 883633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: to be clear: by "xen kernel" here, I mean that mirage kernels run as guests on top of a xen hypervisor (i.e., they are domUs)
< 1421573468 23517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirage is not itself a hypervisor, just a toolkit to write OSes that only run under the Xen hypervisor (paravirtualised IO only, etc.)
< 1421573475 904415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, vmware means no chance
< 1421573547 885290 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1421573683 29107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: if you'd ever like the VPS taken out of your hands I can handle the burden :p
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< 1421573876 388692 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right.
< 1421573901 424753 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and give up my canadian IP? no way!)
< 1421573936 31371 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly, if it's good for nothing it might still be handy as a proxy.
< 1421573945 461260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should run a tor relay on it
< 1421573952 824382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that's kind of a great use
< 1421573960 39599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$35/lifetime tor relay
< 1421573969 591362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the connection is probably fine for it, downtime doesn't matter too much
< 1421574001 556938 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with some luck I'll get to test how those indemnification clauses work out overseas.
< 1421574046 92782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1421574056 820848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be for tor exit nodes
< 1421574068 596193 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now...
< 1421574078 284412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tor _relays_ won't even get you angry emails, I don't think -- you're never going to be contacting anything but other tor nodes
< 1421574078 954227 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah whatever. it's an idea all right
< 1421574087 569150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you never see any unencrypted content
< 1421574525 397150 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :8. Other Prohibited Activities "Maintaining a relay service open to the general public"
< 1421574545 333068 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot even run an IRC server!
< 1421574569 840231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, the general public mostly can't use IRC
< 1421574635 29435 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that means you cant run a web server either?
< 1421574647 271652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends what counts as a "relay"
< 1421574656 339065 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :""
< 1421574656 490812 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people host a Tor exit node on this provider. They don't seem to properly monitor their nodes.
< 1421574663 553024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's probably meant to ban proxies, not servers in general
< 1421574758 697553 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's malleable, as usual with ToS agreements.
< 1421574874 382183 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :""
< 1421574874 569918 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use them for Tor Relays. Their network abuse management is non-existent.
< 1421574881 137748 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HATE FIREFOX.
< 1421574895 422602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.
< 1421574904 857721 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm selecting a line by double-clicking, it decides to prepend a newline.
< 1421574915 216822 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS MAKES NO SENSE.
< 1421574939 505086 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, calm again.
< 1421574953 485573 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused /it tooks seconds to get a shell/ seconds isn't that long?!
< 1421574974 216174 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I was way back in the conversation as I can see now
< 1421574985 706178 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate when things don't load
< 1421575038 744998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: i'm pretty sure that was the point
< 1421575051 653737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1421575075 760561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your sentence is ambiguous, you should try commas
< 1421575089 372496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes <1s to start an ssh shell on my server here
< 1421575090 468874 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try that
< 1421575100 75104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the /.../ was a quote
< 1421575105 995410 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that long for you?
< 1421575125 3731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1s to open a shell is fine. 5s wouldn't be. I open new terminals and log into my server frequently
< 1421575130 634063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes but i interpreted the rest as "seconds, isn't that long"
< 1421575134 440624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason for it to be slow, anyway
< 1421575144 501846 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well elliott 5s isn't that slow
< 1421575147 465395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i got confused by lack of a comma after the quote
< 1421575151 432544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1421575153 494532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh is fas
< 1421575154 913238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fast
< 1421575157 912236 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pssht
< 1421575166 384602 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm never used to fast stuff
< 1421575170 677345 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: yes it is long. this is just negotiation an ssh connection and displaying a prompt.
< 1421575172 298408 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421575186 621880 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a lot of weight on my server
< 1421575210 403715 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just today I took twenty minutes to log into a machine. Turns out it was thrashing
< 1421575217 521281 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't. It's all those other people running their servers on the same host ;-)
< 1421575220 802296 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so whenever I use a school computer I'm like WHAT?! this is so fast /o/ _|__|_
< 1421575262 779413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what OS does your server run on
< 1421575264 455690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: Oh and don't get me wrong, that wasn't a complaint.
< 1421575275 335864 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows ;-;
< 1421575283 468092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT WOULD DO IT
< 1421575285 528953 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: I didn't expect any better from that provider. :)
< 1421575292 291745 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :8.1 server
< 1421575295 471905 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, I learned that some of ubuntu's login scripts are written in python)
< 1421575301 300597 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1421575321 963385 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. I'm running 7.1. ;-)
< 1421575325 695808 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were reffering to my schools server, elliott 
< 1421575343 146679 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except I guess you mean Windows and I mean Debian)
< 1421575357 915368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant your server that has a lot of weight on it
< 1421575390 379923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I guess you mean Windows Server 2012 R2, but yeah
< 1421575430 316599 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah the weight comes from it being connected to a couple chat servers
< 1421575473 151590 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No but elliott I run VirtualBox on my server and Void Linux on my personal
< 1421575483 558747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um...
< 1421575487 286519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what OS is virtualbox running on?
< 1421575489 774735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what OS is running inside it?
< 1421575489 925288 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you ever identify Windows 95 as MS-DOS 7.0?
< 1421575521 533478 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you may be too young, I forgot)
< 1421575527 380338 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well Then you should have stated that
< 1421575548 957801 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows 
< 1421575557 576897 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye so I wasn't mistaken maybe?
< 1421575560 341378 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1421575565 429490 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused
< 1421575583 479110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think I went windows 3.11 -> windows 98 -> windows Me or something.
< 1421575592 846347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(windows 3.11 in 1998-ish)
< 1421575595 175456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: me too...
< 1421575604 461463 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sits in corner
< 1421575610 556296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtualbox lets you run an OS on top of another OS... what are the two OSes in question?
< 1421575624 851755 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu and windows
< 1421575629 384060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I know of the windows-only MS DOS versions though
< 1421575632 431490 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok, Windows 98 was MS-DOS 8.0 for its DOS part.
< 1421575635 326929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay.
< 1421575639 839299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(re lilax)
< 1421575650 402663 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat
< 1421575651 951932 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I skipped that one)
< 1421575669 646319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows me was so great, I used it until like 2006 or something
< 1421575676 830416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by great I mean intolerably awful
< 1421575690 941385 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first computer was windows XP 
< 1421575711 205302 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like msdos 5.5 msdos 6.0 win 3.0 win 3.11 win 95 win XP, win 7.
< 1421575720 684689 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1421575723 497030 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's what i had till i got angry as all hell and stopped using it
< 1421575752 339351 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I've only used the latter 2 for playing games)
< 1421575768 797247 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I have no idea how people get any work done with windows
< 1421575801 515322 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you see int-e.. They don't.
< 1421575901 906902 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: if I'm correct those are some pretty old OS 
< 1421575987 792103 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS's
< 1421576082 904248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows 7 is "only" five and a half years old
< 1421576097 261724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, less.
< 1421576135 126339 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm buying Windows with new computers, and this one is 4 years old now.
< 1421576137 216695 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was 10 yr 5 months when 7 came out?
< 1421576152 571125 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty old for me
< 1421576166 708455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, 16 year olds were born in 1999 these days?
< 1421576169 518503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's terrifying
< 1421576183 769605 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Windows 8 had just came out, I think, and it was obviously crap)
< 1421576186 116596 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although my relative view of time is skewed
< 1421576193 744421 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 11 yrs old
< 1421576193 895411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have seen 1995, it was wild
< 1421576205 17492 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: relax, most of them were born in 1998 :P
< 1421576207 768446 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was born in 98
< 1421576232 562211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but by the end of the year... :(
< 1421576242 450131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really 2000 is when it starts scaring me
< 1421576251 61374 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its gonna be weird We are gonna be in the 20's again
< 1421576255 466457 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tick. tock. tick. tock.
< 1421576262 686703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm old and grumpy already
< 1421576274 542305 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: welcome to our world :P
< 1421576281 722813 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 65 more years of life?
< 1421576288 621529 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on health
< 1421576300 100956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Lilax> Although my relative view of time is skewed <-- hey so was einstein's!
< 1421576304 197903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be honest I've probably become less old and grumpy over the past few years
< 1421576309 456265 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1421576327 490839 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relax guys 
< 1421576338 990089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feels like a lot of teenagers get really crotchety and cynical for a while
< 1421576348 497078 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why...
< 1421576372 493141 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insert sarcasm
< 1421576379 770147 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :Young and cheery | The horror of fungot | but often spelld. | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1421576399 422520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo still here?
< 1421576399 576178 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :still here? still here?
< 1421576420 912526 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want I can optimize how long you might live?
< 1421576428 416400 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that morbid
< 1421576434 96732 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's*
< 1421576448 978766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimising how long I live doesn't sound morbid, though maybe you mean something different by that :p
< 1421576450 749350 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: minimize, you mean? that's brutal.
< 1421576475 916349 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old are you int-e 
< 1421576480 718996 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :too old
< 1421576484 662508 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Health issues ?
< 1421576488 530920 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :down, not across
< 1421576493 2840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as old as the trees
< 1421576496 246010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ouch
< 1421576504 926307 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch?
< 1421576513 163346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got int-e's reference
< 1421576519 126967 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not get it
< 1421576532 632950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably for the best hth
< 1421576550 422778 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a solution for the optimization problem you posed.
< 1421576557 68785 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :google can tell you all the rest. don't.
< 1421576559 880762 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the average human life span is 1-85+
< 1421576577 287546 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those rare cases of 100+
< 1421576582 990283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: that's not how averages work hth
< 1421576587 91477 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shhh
< 1421576599 376659 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm always confused oerjan 
< 1421576610 391594 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :always...
< 1421576611 219871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've noticed
< 1421576613 545495 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok.
< 1421576634 651272 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mental health issues. 
< 1421576667 501712 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it helps, you could put age years young
< 1421576668 317774 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the big disappointments about growing up is that the confusion doesn't go away, and life doesn't become simple.
< 1421576686 950905 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg; I'm 98 years young
< 1421576698 306438 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because old sounds to mean
< 1421576738 483141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't there a sorcery that simply untaps all creatures?
< 1421576758 717027 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because magic b_jonas.
< 1421576763 476678 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1421576875 738007 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1421576898 383846 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a card could work in white or blue
< 1421576996 492224 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also wondering why there wasn't an enchantment with just "Creatures attack each turn if able." , similar to Curse of the Nightly Hunt.
< 1421577040 687677 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you even talking about?
< 1421577061 927598 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :more importantly
< 1421577080 123276 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I still can't download the Khans set faq, is that an error on my side?
< 1421577159 622772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at the Fate Reforged release notes (that's apparently what they call a set faq now), and have seen that it talks about a card with a copy permanent effect but doesn't bother to mention how copying a face down card works. I was wondering if it's at least mentioned in the Khans faq, for Khans also has such a card.
< 1421577170 492289 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat?!
< 1421577181 920604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: magic.
< 1421577201 654061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, magic the gathering.
< 1421577234 826721 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my grandfather plays that
< 1421577251 994332 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :""
< 1421577273 231966 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of, I was going to go to a Magic prerelease today
< 1421577278 539562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are grandfathers playing magic? isn't it for 13 years and older only?
< 1421577283 758321 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not very good at it and I am nervous
< 1421577285 377789 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: at least there's an "Untap all creatures you control."  (Mobilize)
< 1421577288 994031 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, more anxious
< 1421577330 578335 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been playing Magic for less than a week
< 1421577330 965824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sure, but I specifically want to untap my opponent's creatures
< 1421577343 20396 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :does nayone havea converter from lambda calculus to de bruijn in scheme
< 1421577349 828630 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wise people of the channel please advise
< 1421577372 133249 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so I can Taunting Elf + Gaze of the Gorgon them
< 1421577372 283674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i'm pretty sure most grandfathers are older than 13 hth
< 1421577375 946251 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there's also this fun one "Whenever a creature enters the battlefield, untap all creatures." (Intruder alert)
< 1421577387 899464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i've never been to a mtg prerelease but as i understand it it's among the gentler of official events, specifically intended to be welcoming to new players
< 1421577394 902400 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain what a ssl is
< 1421577410 966699 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: (that's only half the effect, the other half is that creatures don't untap during the untap step)
< 1421577411 117903 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds dumb
< 1421577412 680762 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: in that case, enjoy it, and don't worry about your performance. a pre-release is supposed to be a friendly event.
< 1421577422 868213 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is it a sealed draft?
< 1421577430 10717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/release-notes-2014-09-18 ?
< 1421577431 545307 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, I do not know what that is
< 1421577440 817792 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, Intruder Alarm. that card is bah-roken.
< 1421577455 221751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It looks so innocent ;-)
< 1421577456 697049 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: which continent is it on?
< 1421577465 881047 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, Europe???
< 1421577472 927243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it's on an island
< 1421577499 436021 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mobilize? wtf... oh, from Portal. No, there's one outsite portal too: To Arms!
< 1421577504 202384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so make sure to get lots of blue cards
< 1421577505 29798 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I mean, how much damage could a piece of cardboard and some colorful ink do?!
< 1421577543 868185 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, back then it didn't even have hologram stickers on it like real money
< 1421577553 420614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I remember it, if you copy a face-down card, you get a face-up 2/2 colorless creature with no creature types etc.
< 1421577579 818153 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, I know. but why isn't that mentioned in the set faq, for a card that has a non-optional copy permanent effect?
< 1421577670 654275 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul
< 1421577689 193036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1421577695 844918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've barely played with KTK.
< 1421577711 613994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how that interacts with manifest.
< 1421577731 237583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll read the definition of manifest when it's released.
< 1421577754 722400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's in the release notes you just mentioned.
< 1421577803 773793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, so do copy effects copy the fact that a permanent is manifested?
< 1421577891 339404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like a permanent stops being manifested when it's turned face up, but a copy effect would never turn it face up.
< 1421577912 991995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe if you copied a manifested permanent, and then turned the copy face down, it would be manifested.
< 1421577933 383865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, but maybe the copy effect stops anyway when you turn it face down?
< 1421577960 859226 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :300+ms is not what I expected from my servers preformance
< 1421578035 250490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1421578071 37770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, apparently turning a Clone face-down doesn't stop the copy effect.
< 1421578091 824291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I would guess that "being manifested" isn't copied.
< 1421578124 437023 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the update bulletin is out as well
< 1421578174 364561 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and yes, they copy a 2/2 vanilla creature, but no, the copy will not be manifested or face down, it's only its characteristics that are changed to similar ones
< 1421578200 950007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it doesn't copy the face that it's face-down, but I wasn't sure about being manifested.
< 1421578203 957286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was my guess.
< 1421578209 710585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well.
< 1421578213 593590 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: copying _to_ a face down permanent is different, but that doesn't come up this set becaue there are no cards like Cytoshape that can do that
< 1421578242 344887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, which situation are you imagining there?
< 1421578424 528610 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: just simply using Flamerush Rider or Clever Impersonator and targetting a face down creature
< 1421578469 459204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean with Cytoshape.
< 1421578510 622167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it copy "manifested" or not? If not, what if a card was manifested and then you made it a copy of something else, would it keep manifested?
< 1421578533 373737 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421578556 321813 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1421578727 6258 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no. use Cytoshape to make a face down morph card (say a Scornful Egoist) a copy of an elephant. then, I think (but I'm not sure) while the wizard is face down, it's still a 2/2 colorless creature, and when it's face up, it's a 3/3 elephant.
< 1421578771 233041 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Friday's xkcd was great.
< 1421578806 51357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :friday's GG was basically trolling
< 1421578841 646859 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let's see if they can stretch this through the whole next week, shall we?
< 1421578861 22508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they promised monday would be back to normal
< 1421578861 808867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Can you turn it face up for the morph cost when it's a face-down elephant?
< 1421578864 554669 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: friday's what?
< 1421578873 716157 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hmm, good question. probably not
< 1421578888 637247 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to get into girl genius?
< 1421578926 351624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: What if I manifest a sorcery card and then make it a copy of a Scornful Egotist?
< 1421578933 862416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I turn it face-up for {U}?
< 1421578973 411723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A face-down permanent represented by an instant or sorcery card can't be turned face up."
< 1421578976 423004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not.
< 1421578984 456781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same question with s/sorcery/land/, then.
< 1421579001 346709 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe you can because it's not a sorcery if it's a copy of the wizard creature
< 1421579009 312318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: hm?
< 1421579015 446587 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh so they did, what happened to Gikka then? And are you sure they mean *next* Monday?)
< 1421579024 76719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's still "represented by a sorcery card", right?
< 1421579034 788193 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no idea
< 1421579039 772819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1421579046 928047 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you'll need someone who knows the rules more than me
< 1421579092 731693 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this
< 1421579104 258344 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or perhaps they'll present the chapter title page and then continue their foolery on Wednesday ;)
< 1421579109 158007 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is why I don't play with my grandfather
< 1421579116 833007 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did someone say sorcery? Oh a game
< 1421579134 521882 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actively seeking occultists to interview
< 1421579134 914549 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I mean, while they're still on a roll trolling.
< 1421579153 658896 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this is a good question, I might ask it on a forum
< 1421579164 594355 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: you're in the wrong place :P
< 1421579181 988290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me if you find out.
< 1421579183 864945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i guess they dropped gkika, she didn't really show her dress much in the original play, except when quilted...
< 1421579190 113486 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: if you are seekinh occultists
< 1421579195 552071 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to 4Chan
< 1421579199 713264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had various related questions.
< 1421579202 744323 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesseh: Here we're only interested in sorceries that go on a stack. That makes is computer sciencey :P
< 1421579203 244146 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: especially as Cytoshape wears off at end of turn
< 1421579211 779470 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I know! I'm in other channels on the weird networks. I'm wanting to create an occult inspired esolang.
< 1421579212 184529 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll have to read the setfaq first
< 1421579221 604299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure "represented by a sorcery card" is unambiguous.
< 1421579230 501825 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might already answer this
< 1421579231 827719 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An occult inspired esolang?
< 1421579235 513452 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy
< 1421579245 334493 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might just do harry potter lang
< 1421579248 861902 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use Demon tongue chars
< 1421579255 630411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I manifest a creature card with a high cost, and then make it a copy of a creature with a low cost, can I turn it face-up for the low cost?
< 1421579257 212203 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For everthing
< 1421579287 504258 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: dunno, I'd just blink it instead if I wanted to cheat on costs 
< 1421579308 505391 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes
< 1421579309 128512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have a face-down Morph card, and I make it a copy of a card that I manifested, am I able to manifest it?
< 1421579309 665216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: girl genius is an epic plot story so you really have to start at the beginning.
< 1421579315 653789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you already answered that last one with a no.
< 1421579317 291982 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there a card deck in that game that lets you get.infinite mana
< 1421579334 892717 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :avadra x is kedavra b00000001
< 1421579342 869353 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecto patronum x
< 1421579345 189411 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1
< 1421579346 210219 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pls no JesseH 
< 1421579346 912713 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1
< 1421579366 436189 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok thanks
< 1421579369 285279 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit I don't really understand how copy permanent effects work
< 1421579370 971692 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use uhm
< 1421579372 393296 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice spell JesseH
< 1421579382 21469 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila, :P
< 1421579382 495403 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ancient aztec
< 1421579386 21973 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tek?
< 1421579387 906376 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk
< 1421579402 312829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help. what is going on
< 1421579411 596509 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are summoning Satan
< 1421579420 919395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. sweet. how can I help
< 1421579421 69950 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not sure I like manifest because it makes you skip beneficial etb triggers or replaced abilities like that of Order of the Stars
< 1421579426 146260 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think b_jonas is lost in layers (I would be, too, if I were to consider them.)
< 1421579437 286166 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421579447 442906 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, the copy rules are sort of ambiguously written and strange
< 1421579449 144767 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how to solve this card game
< 1421579456 556823 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a lighter
< 1421579464 606382 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and walk out of room 
< 1421579471 855449 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: that will not affect the tokens (if made of steel)
< 1421579473 756365 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but sadly it's getting harder and harder to ignore them because wotc keeps printing lots of copy permanent effects at low rarities these last five years
< 1421579501 717158 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, you're definitely not allowed to use coins to repreesnt tokens or counters or anything in game
< 1421579502 91780 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh every where I go its just this game
< 1421579513 400371 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: sorry
< 1421579516 365786 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: metal cubes
< 1421579519 952645 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its ok
< 1421579538 414213 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: and what? really?
< 1421579609 942079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: per tournament rules, because they're worried the coins can cause confusion with authorities thinking you're playing unauthorized gambling games for money.  
< 1421579613 611432 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making fork bombs now
< 1421579620 512315 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so you're not allowed to use money.
< 1421579630 911825 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not allowed?
< 1421579633 373703 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: right. makes no sense. makes sense. I dunno.
< 1421579638 786063 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, it does make sense
< 1421579654 307396 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit unfortunate, but still
< 1421579656 25643 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not really :P
< 1421579690 830350 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I do use coins in casual play, as well as dice and small pieces of cardboard
< 1421579695 566227 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but it's the context, where not playing for money may look like you actually may be playing for money.
< 1421579699 271656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421579713 489591 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :atleast its active in here...
< 1421579726 617454 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: (I guess in a tournament you also want to prevent things like "resign and I'll gift you all my precious tokens")
< 1421579737 437189 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/JaZLhYX.jpg
< 1421579765 969844 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god
< 1421579804 241210 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god to what?
< 1421579836 394954 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world-embracing, world-devouring cat
< 1421579840 40280 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, bribing is definitely not allowed
< 1421579846 907309 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1421579860 836269 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor India.
< 1421579888 837707 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION chuckles
< 1421579903 686537 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evil king chuckle fish
< 1421579905 691934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, for one, welcome etc.
< 1421579938 332439 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any of you have pets?
< 1421579976 706115 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :do spiders weaving their nets in various corners count?
< 1421580013 880744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: are you saying india is fucked
< 1421580031 291200 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by tiny kitty peen. :(
< 1421580032 634237 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he didn't have to, hth
< 1421580053 407663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i did hth
< 1421580060 574728 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well tdnh
< 1421580065 768809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have different definitions of tiny
< 1421580066 716360 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: dont ruin the kitty picture
< 1421580068 587544 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neuter your pets, ppl! I can't stress that enough.
< 1421580074 319681 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be
< 1421580080 751655 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a female?
< 1421580093 429891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't believe we're talking about this.
< 1421580102 955220 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one can.
< 1421580108 480873 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THey still have outie like genitals when excited though.
< 1421580122 676588 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted to show a cute kitty picture!
< 1421580127 936514 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why
< 1421580134 201246 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know this AndoDaan 
< 1421580139 755435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ
< 1421580154 409246 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1421580157 813958 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does he know this
< 1421580162 453560 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't everybody?
< 1421580163 869180 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421580175 711738 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... we've all been curious.
< 1421580182 411789 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not common knowledge
< 1421580182 793097 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i'm done.
< 1421580185 366383 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: Sorry. There's a maximum size for cute cats, and this picture exceeds that by several orders of magnitude.
< 1421580204 597166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :ANYTHING BUT CAT DICKS | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1421580221 272091 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: I do not not know what to say to that comment
< 1421580223 250899 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: rub it in, will you...
< 1421580229 231306 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat dicks have barbs 
< 1421580234 200417 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PART :#esoteric
< 1421580238 26572 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1421580243 974986 :chaosagent_!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421580251 408829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there is no escape.  wait where did int-e go.
< 1421580251 572524 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhm. oerjan, or anyone, is there anykind of... type of program that would send a BCT or CT or Tag system interpreter through it's pacess?
< 1421580272 355467 :OneRatShort!~Its@cm-84.213.198.234.getinternet.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421580296 661206 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still curious about AndoDaans knowledge but ill leave this alone
< 1421580297 253671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm alas i've been mainly converting _from_ BCT
< 1421580312 902834 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary calculus
< 1421580316 346340 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes no sense
< 1421580318 99498 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1421580329 746132 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for the best, Lilax.
< 1421580330 940333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :discrete calculus is a (cute) thing
< 1421580358 541814 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: you are a tad bit creepy /no offense/
< 1421580379 500500 :OneRatShort!~Its@cm-84.213.198.234.getinternet.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to know esoteric secrets
< 1421580404 203854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly the only secrets on offer today appear to be about magic the gathering or feline genitalia
< 1421580404 844623 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :From BCT to...? I can't imagine trying to actually programming in it.
< 1421580409 916605 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :None taken.
< 1421580411 320917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome OneRatShort
< 1421580418 94627 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09OneRatShort: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08<http://esolangs.org/>. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06irc.dal.net.)
< 1421580426 5820 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY EYES
< 1421580458 288072 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many paces do you need a BCT interpreter sent through
< 1421580470 301800 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1421580479 548969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: well BCT is known to be turing complete, so converting _from_ it is a good way to show other languages TC.  you don't have to actually know how to program BCT for it...
< 1421580488 458688 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only tested it with the Collatz example from the wiki.
< 1421580539 670530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, BCT doesn't really have output, so the incentive for actually programming in it is low.
< 1421580544 564629 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, throw a dart, write down the number you got in binary and chances are that it's a nonterminating BCT program
< 1421580545 745770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even for esolangers
< 1421580549 711852 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't we be normal
< 1421580668 773601 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Would all useful BCT programs follow the 1=11 0=10 ;=0 conversion from a CT program?
< 1421580694 874895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: normal is just a specific kind of broken that people for some reason pretend to prefer hth
< 1421580701 209210 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no easy way to give all creatures vigilance either, without side effects. (Synchronous Sliver plus Shields of Velis Vel works in theory.)
< 1421580713 281197 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal as in
< 1421580727 211457 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't give me facts about cats 
< 1421580769 842960 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so is there an instant or something that just stops creatures of my opponent from attacking this turn _without_ attacking?
< 1421580783 120662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Fog usually does the trick, but not if I already have the Taunting Elf in play
< 1421580804 669948 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to set the topic >_>
< 1421580812 316615 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is a lot of pressure
< 1421580825 941878 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :decisions
< 1421580849 164858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The Magic Channel | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1421580858 452577 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhh
< 1421580861 333881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now accurate and shouldn't confuse _anyone_ hth
< 1421580870 668187 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now its even more pressure
< 1421580884 772524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh critics
< 1421580891 99184 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, if it bothers you, we can go to another channel
< 1421580897 298299 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language that's just +'s and /'s
< 1421580905 836987 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no its not bothering me!
< 1421580909 697016 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there like an instant with "Detain all creatures."?
< 1421580925 894446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: try just \ and / and you've got a nice subset of ///
< 1421580944 86046 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow I am the definition of a modest liar
< 1421580959 610023 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope there isn't
< 1421580996 966601 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric := x + = s / = / + / = n
< 1421581014 232148 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks very pristine
< 1421581031 713733 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421581034 966814 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make useless stuff again, lol
< 1421581047 549363 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the very model of the modern EDH general
< 1421581065 91157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: well the only way to get a BCT program that doesn't come from a CT program is to have an alignment mismatch at the end, and it won't really differ for more than one cycle.
< 1421581141 128357 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all CT programs come from converting a tag system alphabet (a=100 b=010 c=001...)?
< 1421581157 848736 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CT is crazy
< 1421581167 22610 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like /'s and +'s are better oerjan plus its easier I guess if I were to make sub classes and it looks pretty
< 1421581193 955331 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyclic tag is so smiple
< 1421581197 339968 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it shouldn't be TC!
< 1421581198 354360 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i swear the sub class would be - and \ 
< 1421581198 874093 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is..
< 1421581207 548710 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels in a differen class to turing machines
< 1421581210 397021 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its not...
< 1421581214 937212 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg
< 1421581217 935952 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: pluses and slashes? so all the cards would give p/t bonuses to other cards?
< 1421581222 835364 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing machines..
< 1421581238 666405 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember my first encounter
< 1421581242 789244 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the beast
< 1421581303 856771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can X be negative?
< 1421581314 63262 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-X
< 1421581330 981428 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2212
< 1421581333 935875 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not if you choose it. 
< 1421581343 88406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about e.g. Nantuko Mentor?
< 1421581346 476631 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently breaks my latex
< 1421581368 357874 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no idea
< 1421581369 751165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess +X/+X for a creature with negative power would subtract from power and toughness.
< 1421581390 421160 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was uhm not talking about magic b_jonas 
< 1421581393 57442 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok
< 1421581405 108218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like it works the way you'd expect.
< 1421581431 295799 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm not sure which way I expect it
< 1421581452 580493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it works the way I'd expect.
< 1421581463 129753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode U+2212
< 1421581464 937943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​−
< 1421581472 45403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would make a -1/1 into a -2/0
< 1421581485 697888 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there's Viridian Joiner though it doesn't mention X
< 1421581489 411401 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My grandma has a very old Guide book on basic
< 1421581494 137611 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a rule like "If a calculation that would determine the result of an effect yields a negative number, zero is used instead..."
< 1421581500 281935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode −
< 1421581501 351968 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2212 MINUS SIGN]
< 1421581508 522210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about draw X cards where X is negative, etc.?
< 1421581513 524465 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, but there's some partial exception for powers and toughnesses
< 1421581531 637192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power can be negative, but a creature with negative power just deals no damage in combat.
< 1421581537 558708 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't there a card that put X tokens into play where X is the power of something
< 1421581547 963777 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there is: Carrion
< 1421581556 942687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://magiccards.info/query?q=o%3A%22where+x+is+that+creature%27s+power%22
< 1421581569 148191 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remmeber that because it's funny in un-sets with half power stuff
< 1421581579 447740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it mean to put -1 +1/+1 counters on something?
< 1421581580 883697 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the newer Feed the Pack
< 1421581586 445668 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Ok, I guess it makes sense for power. But for drawing X cards, or placing X tokens, that rule should take effect.
< 1421581602 887878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: certainly, the question is whether it takes effect for that power-modifying thingy or not
< 1421581609 739506 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nantuko Mentor
< 1421581610 225414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Can toughness ever be negative?
< 1421581615 787568 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes
< 1421581637 664034 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not for long, because the creature dies quickly, but it can
< 1421581645 503517 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it weird if my grandma knows more about.haskell than me
< 1421581646 799975 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's easier if you make the creature indestructible
< 1421581656 983766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, for long enough for Feed the Pack to be relevant?
< 1421581666 939151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: use indestructible
< 1421581675 533415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't help, does it?
< 1421581682 359534 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, that doesn't help
< 1421581684 431638 :OneRatShort!~Its@cm-84.213.198.234.getinternet.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone have any experience in opening their 3rd eye ?
< 1421581685 328074 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, dunno then
< 1421581724 645395 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: try Fungal Sprouting then
< 1421581731 690040 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Mercy Killing
< 1421581739 731556 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Miming Slime
< 1421581748 504798 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just
< 1421581760 816588 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :list the options off in one text
< 1421581763 351725 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what would Miming Slime do?
< 1421581787 297974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but I was specifically wondering about negative toughness.
< 1421581829 532179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. maybe you can have something like Wall of Roots, where you put a counter on it to pay for a spell and also sacrifice it as part of the same spell.
< 1421581832 141743 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear I'm scared that my grandma has more experience in esoteric languages than I do
< 1421581836 376558 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's 78 
< 1421581848 911191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spell like Momentous Fall.
< 1421581849 521155 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did this whole esoteric thing start
< 1421581859 261161 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this fall?
< 1421581859 914207 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :197
< 1421581869 126814 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a lot of momentum
< 1421581870 514097 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3?
< 1421581871 644464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't work with Wall of Roots, but maybe with something else.
< 1421581928 881015 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnight o/
< 1421581945 532368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: the first major esoteric language is usually considered INTERCAL from the 70s, i think.
< 1421581954 831608 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp
< 1421581967 726670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the real flood didn't start until about '93
< 1421581985 957621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is when both brainfuck and befunge were made
< 1421582003 107121 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Being indestructible stops only effects that would destroy the permanent, including destruction due to lethal damage and destruction that doesn't allow regeneration. An indestructible permanent can be exiled, returned to a player's hand, put into a graveyard for having 0 or less toughness, or sacrificed."
< 1421582012 947478 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, I know, I was stupid
< 1421582016 614350 :OneRatShort!~Its@cm-84.213.198.234.getinternet.no PART :#esoteric
< 1421582043 230572 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk how old she was back then but uh 
< 1421582044 901315 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice use of past tense.
< 1421582046 421665 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(scnr)
< 1421582050 17288 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a distinction between saying "grown-up's toy" and "grown-ups' toy" depending on whether it's used solo?
< 1421582059 826074 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess she knows how to do a lot of code
< 1421582136 816105 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways
< 1421582141 300978 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I was saying
< 1421582141 603989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: haskell isn't usually considered esoteric, although it's from 1990
< 1421582147 644966 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old who sas?
< 1421582150 80623 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1421582164 329703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :his granma
< 1421582171 866982 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1421582180 103411 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, haskell is just "non-mainstream"
< 1421582191 116195 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said she knows more than me
< 1421582218 256420 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But she knows More about esolangs than I thought
< 1421582239 941239 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should ask her what she knows about teh computers nexr time I see her
< 1421582259 486426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my father (who's probably older than your granma) knows how to program in principle, although i don't think he does it much
< 1421582295 46370 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye your father is probably older since you are 44
< 1421582301 561107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? principle
< 1421582302 352786 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :principle? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1421582306 704084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of it hth
< 1421582310 343735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey someone remembers my age!
< 1421582319 41829 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember all ages
< 1421582340 302578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no esolangs page either
< 1421582349 372695 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only for one reason 
< 1421582362 621524 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyways
< 1421582365 703673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo you should swat me for belaboring the point
< 1421582381 155940 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: likes to be hit?
< 1421582396 917458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were leaving
< 1421582404 291927 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pssht
< 1421582411 67401 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1421582414 465405 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its slowly turning off
< 1421582429 809720 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can still type until..
< 1421582430 937571 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :Collective Magicing | Programming through the Ages | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1421582447 925971 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ther
< 1421582451 168199 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember ages, but I remember oerjan is a haskellite
< 1421582490 680855 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ map pred "Sfnfncfs!nf\""
< 1421582492 172067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Remember me!
< 1421582501 785806 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk
< 1421582531 585451 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill probs remember all of you even after you die
< 1421582537 882986 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cuz I never forget
< 1421582540 265319 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks kid
< 1421582544 605912 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw
< 1421582545 132128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks elephant
< 1421582550 820767 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :u wot 
< 1421582566 116082 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight
< 1421582586 394877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel loved.
< 1421582590 8344 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax is an elephant? 
< 1421582609 315280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's the only logical conclusion
< 1421582671 690283 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, their average life span isn't so great it seems.
< 1421582724 829563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok Lilax doesn't understand averages anyway
< 1421582729 794176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see above)
< 1421582762 13345 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: would that make it an average understanding of averages?
< 1421582785 847255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1421582896 50429 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is she a white or a green elephant?
< 1421582909 873478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Lilax a she now
< 1421582915 594963 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1421582920 154296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cannot keep up
< 1421582921 179270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't follow genders either
< 1421582927 699504 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be pink
< 1421582933 940077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well but you're hungarian
< 1421582944 650850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have them
< 1421582977 425997 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, can we stop discussing animals for a day or two?
< 1421582990 896195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but then we could only talk with em when we're drunk...
< 1421583056 945223 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"journey of an ant" was a cute game. *lalala* . o O ( happy thoughts )
< 1421583126 691211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ants are animals too hth
< 1421583152 383813 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1421583165 414922 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421583171 468099 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ants
< 1421583172 447197 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ants? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1421583175 642119 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn ants are animals too hth
< 1421583178 185545 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'ant': ants are animals too hth
< 1421583193 877879 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ocd
< 1421583194 778645 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocd? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1421583204 190786 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ants are strange
< 1421583206 514215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cdo
< 1421583207 380254 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdo? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1421583210 403808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1421583216 628024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cdop
< 1421583217 393736 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdop? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1421583235 907516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ocd
< 1421583236 925377 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1421583239 916854 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dyslexic
< 1421583240 742697 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dyslexic? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1421583241 835787 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dyslexia
< 1421583242 859282 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dyslexia? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1421583247 4901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mtg
< 1421583247 962211 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtg? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1421583253 976474 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? M:tG
< 1421583254 796209 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M:tG? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1421583261 925416 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( things Oerjan Could Do )
< 1421583263 936343 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs.
< 1421583275 245572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? misspellings of croissant
< 1421583276 114540 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1421583286 481537 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Corouscant
< 1421583318 981167 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1421583331 419189 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, that's misspel;led
< 1421583334 283730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it' Coruscant
< 1421583337 444557 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what would you call a corouscant-shaped omelette?
< 1421583340 895910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want ants in your couscous
< 1421583370 264437 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, missspelled typos.
< 1421583422 552990 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will this become an antology of typos?
< 1421583432 431465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: wat
< 1421583441 506986 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1421583530 829970 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1421583543 959251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still waiting for the answer twh hth
< 1421583546 819117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1421583556 745533 :Lymia!~fujoshi@108-205-143-75.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1421583560 536788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot that script bug
< 1421583613 199250 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hesh bug
< 1421583616 189889 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you woke the beast within, turns out it's small, has six legs, and is crazy about sugar.
< 1421583654 568490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if it weren't small it would be a giant
< 1421583680 957097 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but despite its size it can rant all day.
< 1421583730 920280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an insectful observation.
< 1421583765 587877 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(isn't that phantastic? with only three letters it's scantly possible to avoid that word even if you wanted to.)
< 1421583830 995147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant
< 1421583898 142090 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1421584250 571141 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's really a lot of those words... blatantly bantering ants defiantly enchant dormant elephants.
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< 1421586195 259259 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: beast within... is that like antman, the recurring super-villain in StickManStickMan, see http://stickman.qntm.org/comics.php?n=62
< 1421586443 376390 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: maybe, but I've never seen that comic before.
< 1421586846 44497 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :antman appears only once more after he's defeated I think, so I'm not sure if he counts as a recurring villain
< 1421586917 730823 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he returns in http://stickman.qntm.org/comics.php?n=638
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< 1421590961 323327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... when did http://www.gocomics.com/heavenly-nostrils/ get its title changed?
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< 1421591629 392586 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker NICK :SopaXorzTaker
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< 1421593196 906727 :Guest84511!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal NICK :Vorpal
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< 1421594726 619207 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MNNBFSL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41697&oldid=41696 5* 03AndoDaan 5* (+27) 10Added to TC category.
< 1421594842 999676 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ACKNOWLEDGED CHICKEN
< 1421594971 899286 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:MNNBFSL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41698&oldid=41681 5* 03AndoDaan 5* (-2123) 10Undo revision 41681 by [[Special:Contributions/AndoDaan|AndoDaan]] ([[User talk:AndoDaan|talk]]) I was a bit premature in adding the Wang B-machine outline.
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< 1421602046 717522 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 NICK :MDude
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< 1421604147 164230 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, people are actually competing for the 101 scrabble words thing
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< 1421604153 668551 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(anagol)
< 1421604201 276302 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 26^2/8
< 1421604203 538793 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 84.5
< 1421604252 332535 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 101 * 2 * log 28/ log 256
< 1421604253 836788 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 121.38571178195451
< 1421604261 949931 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 101 * 2 * log 26/ log 256
< 1421604263 645322 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 118.68610288306259
< 1421604319 704906 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2*26*5/8 + 10
< 1421604321 117712 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42.5
< 1421604332 79389 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs
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< 1421608069 260198 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421608165 616386 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what to do with myself now I'm done with MNNBFSL.
< 1421608419 686973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make an implementation of Remote Virtual Table Protocol. Alternatively, make up a new kind of computer game. Even more alternatively, now you have to do LSFBNNM.
< 1421608445 146396 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.atomicshrimp.com/st/content/invention_dice_2/
< 1421608463 298305 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LSFBNNM... now that's an idea.
< 1421608561 38209 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's LF??
< 1421608632 955270 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan, how did you write this BCT interpreter?
< 1421608637 467919 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont see a lot of binary numbers in the source code
< 1421608658 127268 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language F*ck.
< 1421608658 280391 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ang/ag/Language
< 1421608682 992351 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes the BCT code and init string from the standard input.
< 1421608699 376210 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the form /BCTcode.initString//
< 1421608759 512749 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the end that was just easier to implent than comming up with a method to hard code the data each time.
< 1421608904 618131 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've updated my MNNBFSL javascript interpreter if you wanted to give the BCT interpreter a whirl.
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< 1421608933 275469 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is really cool
< 1421608939 443436 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must have been hard to write...
< 1421609004 257498 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit embarrassed actually about how long it took me. But since it was my first time doing something like that, I learned a lot.
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< 1421609046 997034 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think many people could do this at all!
< 1421609052 69837 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1421609147 779460 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, well some of the snippits I've gotten off other's their code. But I did come up with a search algorithm that can drag a value with it.
< 1421609225 662446 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that was key for the BCT interpreter I think.
< 1421609465 298420 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what is holding your interest lately, vanila?
< 1421609596 572017 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive just been working on compilers, non esotierc
< 1421609768 777319 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For business or pleasure?
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< 1421610512 748235 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1421610551 235328 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-11-60.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1421610666 73784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made up some more Magic: the Gathering cards
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< 1421611428 395788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I made up is "Target spell loses all subtypes."
< 1421611808 107362 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does weird things to enchantments.
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< 1421612034 764696 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric ::l
< 1421612057 921341 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discussing if I was an elephant after I left ._.
< 1421612063 110667 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Make sure that you use the correct screws. If you have a torque screwdriver, tighten all screws firmly to the torque shown in the table. Never use a screw that you removed. Use a new one. Make sure that all screws are tightened firmly"
< 1421612071 711696 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manual (I think for service people) for my machine
< 1421612079 56195 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learner that in woodshop
< 1421612081 982541 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah, how critical is it to use new screws?
< 1421612095 987289 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty critical
< 1421612134 483 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eg: If you use an old screw the drill bit can fracture and now you have shrapnel flying around
< 1421612158 741529 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops you've lost your eyes
< 1421612261 92799 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1421612277 791446 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes I know it does weird things to enchantments. Many auras will just fail to work, although some will continue to partially work anyways.
< 1421612305 333797 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spooky
< 1421612379 641535 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also makes arcane spells sad. :)
< 1421612477 160322 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a friend.who goes by piks 
< 1421612486 816409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it doesn't looks to me that it would affect the ability to splice onto arcane.
< 1421612510 803286 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but there's abilities that trigger on arcane spells resolving, no?
< 1421612533 864673 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly can't affect splicing though.
< 1421612548 641091 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no point at which splicing could be done and that spell could have resolved on another spell.
< 1421612677 525402 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421612680 483535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikshq
< 1421612734 319603 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikshaq?
< 1421612742 647647 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1421612764 494779 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'I thought I had some blue cheese in my fridge, but to my disappointment it was just normal cheese accelerating towards me' 
< 1421612791 509508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it would allow arcane spells to damage Kitsune Riftwalker (but only for untargeted damage)
< 1421612850 188457 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: Sounds dangerous.
< 1421612864 42939 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue shift pikhq 
< 1421612875 409800 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know.
< 1421612895 800438 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The velocity there would be absurd for blue shift to be noticable.
< 1421612897 71182 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, Just makin' sure
< 1421612902 387065 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume this is why it's past tense. :)
< 1421612915 433899 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fast?
< 1421612924 429014 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets talk numbers
< 1421612925 523495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you even have enough time to process the sensory input
< 1421612934 363160 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1421612940 883279 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ballpark on the order of .2c
< 1421612943 465444 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you opened your fridge
< 1421612953 218854 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, neurons don't go that fast.
< 1421612957 425420 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the other side of the city
< 1421612957 753335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1421612969 712568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of house do you live in, Lilax
< 1421612971 842802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of arms do you have.
< 1421612988 539258 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :my arms fell into a blackhole
< 1421612995 226809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the cheese suddenly accelerate to .2c only as you open the door
< 1421612998 797154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many questions here
< 1421613006 48318 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1421613014 433814 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you have a nuclear fridge.
< 1421613025 375139 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok so in my freshman year
< 1421613038 587906 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to solve for the speed of light
< 1421613052 584152 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it enters an event horizon
< 1421613071 659199 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I failed that so did the entire class
< 1421613136 881708 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"C = 1 foot/nanosecond" there, I answered it. :)
< 1421613183 138212 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1421613201 761749 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only I had pikhq in 9th grade
< 1421613233 594548 :rand_!bc2422ec@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.36.34.236 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421613294 6831 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421613338 323206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never played pokemon as a kid?
< 1421613356 274082 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :u wot
< 1421613361 123383 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i did
< 1421613369 407278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn how to play Pokemon card!
< 1421613373 226223 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pokemon Heart gold was my first one
< 1421613377 869043 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omg card games
< 1421613380 409031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is that pikhq is pikachu
< 1421613385 190888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bad joke.
< 1421613397 948215 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look people, I am not good at the card games
< 1421613412 754273 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its just to much pressure for my frail heart
< 1421613525 297057 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pokemon heart gold was my first one" now I feel old.
< 1421613619 595568 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I played yellow on a emulator
< 1421613633 547508 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I got A gameboy colour
< 1421613642 862590 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man that was the shit
< 1421613651 456082 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in elementary.
< 1421613871 16611 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1421614112 345545 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch. https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3671
< 1421614135 599298 :rand_!bc2422ec@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.36.34.236 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1421614182 507856 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1421614195 100123 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash is such a good language
< 1421614208 290089 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :its amaze
< 1421614249 842852 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :be back later 
< 1421614348 738504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad we use operating systems where a program you run accidentally doing rm -rf /* is enough to delete all your personal files that it would otherwise never need to even know about the existence of :(
< 1421614377 831629 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good point actually
< 1421614393 326468 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's two things you could improve here: the language (not using bash), and the OS itself
< 1421614403 522164 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy, just make /home unreadable to everyone :P
< 1421614462 37807 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course I don't)
< 1421614483 481446 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it wouldn't have helped with the /media anyway)
< 1421614494 866842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, "for path in glob.glob(os.path.join(steam_root, '*')): os.remove(path)" or whatever is just as broken
< 1421614500 599319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if steam_root can be empty
< 1421614518 400024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can argue with bash making it empty in the first place but it's not as slam-dunk a bash issue as a lot of shell script bugs are
< 1421614521 644117 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just unfortunate that common OSes don't have any degree of application sandboxing.
< 1421614527 710557 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :STEAMROOT="$(cd "${0%/*}" && echo $PWD)" <-- this is also completely wrong if $0 is a symlink
< 1421614549 112526 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ideally Steam wouldn't be *able* to delete all that stuff)
< 1421614567 206106 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using DIR=$(dirname "$(readlink -f "$0")") which is probably not perfect either. But I'm not removing any files there :P
< 1421614592 369650 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... missing an outer pair of quotes? maybe.
< 1421614603 282878 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the outer pair of quotes is unneeded.
< 1421614619 548115 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you're setting a variable, sh parses from the = to the end of the line as part of the variable.
< 1421614634 749622 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is a bizarre special case in sh syntax)
< 1421614662 637595 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's the  FOO=bar cmd  syntax.
< 1421614670 405831 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misstated somewhat.
< 1421614681 61907 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but $() cannot be broken apart like that.
< 1421614689 302224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.etalabs.net/sh_tricks.html
< 1421614701 491364 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, always a good thing.
< 1421614707 662912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The following is not safe:
< 1421614707 813697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :var=$(dirname "$f")
< 1421614708 704612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to most commands writing a newline at the end of their output, Bourne-style command substitution was designed to strip training newlines from the output. But it doesn’t just strip one trailing newline; it strips them all. In the above command, if f contains any trailing newlines in the last directory component, they will be stripped, yielding a different directory name. While no one sane would put 
< 1421614714 511295 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rich Felker is as general awesome.
< 1421614715 227474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newlines in directory names, such corruption of the results could lead to exploitable vulnerabilities in scripts."
< 1421614718 186622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprise! unix!
< 1421614740 438525 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/as general/as always, generally/
< 1421614744 22057 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if f contains any trailing newlines ... well, yes
< 1421614748 749643 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421614757 403132 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said I'm not deleting any files :)
< 1421614760 435464 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :also having files called -help --help
< 1421614764 250407 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then doing ls * or something
< 1421614769 216994 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: That's easy to deal with though.
< 1421614774 545051 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls -- *
< 1421614787 836610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think readlink isn't that portable
< 1421614788 838823 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't stop it being a problem
< 1421614790 192147 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly most people are completely ignorant about that feature of getopt-style syntax.
< 1421614795 311110 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason its a problem is because you can do these things by mistake
< 1421614798 992462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have readlink -f, though I'm on OS X
< 1421614817 881120 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even though that has been in getopt *as long as there has been a getopt*)
< 1421614823 487180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When writing shell scripts I also usually type    #!/bin/bash --   just in case someone decides to allow the operating system to setuid shell scripts and then they rename the file with - at first
< 1421614877 428483 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, people suck.
< 1421614882 170718 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: interesting, I thought that program had a mac user. I've got to inquire.
< 1421614922 525786 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION "loves" how so many common utils have shitty edge cases
< 1421614923 485543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what does your script do?
< 1421614964 554305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was aware of -- syntax at least, I don't know why a lot of people don't know very well?
< 1421614972 230849 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's a config file right next to the wrapper script, and I want to find it even when the wrapper script is symlinked (usually from ~/bin)
< 1421615038 259532 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so I have something like  DIR=$(dirname "$(readlink -f "$0")"); "$DIR"/tool -conf "$DIR"/tool.conf
< 1421615064 704572 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have implemented -- syntax in some of my own programs too if they have a filename as a command-line argument, although some of my programs don't use command-line arguments at all and only act as a filter
< 1421615096 671882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is too bad many new programs will not act as a filter.
< 1421615115 447343 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the real solution is switching langauge to something that does't have these difficulties
< 1421615122 669643 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. scheme shell
< 1421615241 833082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is scheme shell capable of fixing programs to act like a filter, or to allow "ls *" to work even though the files named with - at front?
< 1421615256 721779 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea would be to pass flags in a different way than files
< 1421615271 710275 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. (ls (flags help) (file -foo bar))
< 1421615275 615675 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it should work fine
< 1421615290 112972 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean this is just an idea, it coudl be haskell or something else
< 1421615295 685715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that would work, if the program is designed in that way.
< 1421615296 763859 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically not bash
< 1421615306 897660 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perl
< 1421615353 882108 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Haskell programs it could clearly work, by dynamically importing modules to do the stuff; other executable files can maybe also be imported as a IO ()
< 1421615390 626772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or better would be ([String] -> IO Int) or something like that; you can then add other commands for redirection too.
< 1421615437 668843 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it should be [Parameter] where data Parameter = Flag String | File String o r something like this
< 1421615439 607659 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess I could write a perl script instead :P
< 1421615441 594734 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be able to distriguish them
< 1421615445 225904 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However these kind of ways of doing this with Haskell program, would work best if the operating system is using Haskell too. Probably also if you are using Scheme, it would work best if the operating system is using Scheme.
< 1421615454 383051 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but this is an academic tool, I'll wait for the complaints.
< 1421615460 913021 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeys I want to make an OS which isn't based on files
< 1421615466 346936 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think its too hard to write a whole OS
< 1421615481 68299 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about STEPS :3
< 1421615482 707258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: The thing is that if the operating system isn't Haskell it won't know that! If you are importing Haskell programs then the program can have whatever type you want it to have and don't have that problem.
< 1421615493 334767 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, something with a vision like STEPS!
< 1421615498 388309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: not sure perl is the right step up from there
< 1421615520 471565 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well there's no GNU perl or Sun perl...
< 1421615522 551771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just revive multics
< 1421615534 37141 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes zzo38 that's a good point, a lot of the OS tools force us to have these problems
< 1421615541 749912 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but knowing that we can try to addres it
< 1421615589 410181 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so for portably implementing readlink (which POSIX apparently doesn't have at all), that's an option.
< 1421615595 924154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah
< 1421615605 706538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :posix doesn't have perl either though
< 1421615610 573195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I hope)
< 1421615614 634794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can do that construct portably though
< 1421615618 452179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you usually can
< 1421615622 895745 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course one thing that can be done, if you are making this with Haskell, is to write modules that can be used as wrappers for non-Haskell programs which will figure out the correct command-line arguments and other stuff.
< 1421615624 93770 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. but perl is installed almost everywhere anyway
< 1421615631 295536 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX has awk, but no Perl.
< 1421615642 112851 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX does have C though. :D
< 1421615686 969989 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is fine, but not for scripting.
< 1421615687 121299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/mkropat/sh-realpath
< 1421615724 279054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, although there are many other programming languages that can be used for scripting, depending on what you need it for you can use it.
< 1421615725 945979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs a readlink but not one with -f and you can emulate it with ls
< 1421615733 486562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then maybe you run into escaping issues?? joy!
< 1421615751 116948 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so that's avoiding readlink -f but still uses readlink.
< 1421615765 774688 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ah redundancy)
< 1421615818 208294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to like AWK for text processing
< 1421615830 271315 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive used awk a couple times..
< 1421615838 515776 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i should  use perl instead
< 1421615854 290299 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although there are a few things missing (as well as a few GNU extensions which don't seem much useful to me)
< 1421615911 766505 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :godofgods
< 1421615918 337645 :godofgods!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shihin
< 1421615923 654988 :shihin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1421615927 970203 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :awk occupies a middle ground between sed and perl to me. I use it occasionally.
< 1421616075 968534 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes, Perl is basically awk++.
< 1421616088 816950 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :asochis
< 1421616114 579645 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't, because I use perl when I need that sort of thing
< 1421616145 869253 :asochis!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1421616309 629576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for data processing, there is SQLite.
< 1421616349 862049 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker_
< 1421616355 148350 :lawspeaker_!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1421616444 379241 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421616729 832071 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. "PR" is overloaded. "Problem Report" "Public Relations" "Pull Request".
< 1421617494 434352 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421618148 619943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :press release
< 1421618337 915180 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421618339 313247 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pickle relish
< 1421618400 613478 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't need to know this (acronymfinder): Per Rectum (method of medication)
< 1421618457 543180 :S1!~S1@p4FF92763.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1
< 1421618989 752289 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you
< 1421618999 538587 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make time bans for irc
< 1421619053 255155 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to remember to unset them again
< 1421619098 901360 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or have a bot that does it automatically (freenode has a service bot, eir, for this... not sure how to get it on channels though))
< 1421619187 598663 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1421619225 33032 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it does
< 1421619262 817027 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have a :tban (user) (time) but sometimes it forks the time to x100 times that
< 1421619271 290672 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ye ill just go find that bot
< 1421619341 386895 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also eir makes *all* bans expire, it can be annoying.)
< 1421619364 811548 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1421619368 8810 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then
< 1421619416 289950 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make it even more annoying (user) ban expire @1sec = reban 
< 1421619440 238471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421619441 731959 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :it bans then expires in 1second then detects unban and bans again
< 1421619455 480593 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the msgs would spam
< 1421619569 105571 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is all for The modding system I'm making for reasons since ye 
< 1421619576 864926 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :People abuse my bot a lot
< 1421619587 814315 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we do?
< 1421619608 807630 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :No 
< 1421619615 821171 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chatango does >_<
< 1421619622 926744 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like irc
< 1421619632 533216 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :but shit
< 1421619660 175649 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :please do not use the return key for punctuation. we can wait for whole sentences, we're patient like that.
< 1421619696 20296 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm not used to that.. Sorry.
< 1421619778 133736 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone I'm around usually talks like that.
< 1421619815 459031 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's not a strict rule either, more of a guideline. I've found that sticking to that allows me to communicate more coherently. (Yes, I could be even more incoherent. ;-) ))
< 1421619902 524710 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. "
< 1421620282 331742 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:AndoDaan14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41699&oldid=40888 5* 03AndoDaan 5* (+23) 10
< 1421620339 402046 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:AndoDaan14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41700&oldid=41699 5* 03AndoDaan 5* (+1) 10
< 1421621199 207803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: seems like the solution to the latest golf problem is pretty canonical :)
< 1421621219 659501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he said, just before henkma swooped down with 42)
< 1421621229 275441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ not an actual event.  yet.
< 1421621369 601464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it annoys me that . has an incompatible fixity with the default one for `ident`s.
< 1421621401 401742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's associative, so it didn't _have_ to
< 1421621499 843832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the current one is slightly more intuitive for how lazy equational thinking expands it
< 1421622790 812947 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make up the programming language RULECARD and then make up the rules for Aberration Hater Card Game using that, but, perhaps at first I can do it just in normal text and then convert it later. And then rules for Magic: the Gathering should also be written using such programming language, so that you can know exactly how it is working and Wizards of the Coast should learn to use such programming language too.
< 1421622895 496423 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this is a better idea than the other way?
< 1421622928 661761 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1421623162 55907 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421623186 233731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is how to win at Pokemon card: http://zzo38computer.org/img_16/pokemoncard1.png
< 1421623285 251538 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1421623444 75753 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421623500 106976 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1421623710 328484 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421624042 380788 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I think your RULECARD idea is probably good but makes the system a lot less flexible
< 1421624248 394362 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I must go to sleep now, goodnight
< 1421624252 201201 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the programming language would have to be defined in a flexible way
< 1421624322 635687 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is such a flexible language deserving of being called a programming language?
< 1421624351 798198 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes that fixity of . did cross my mind
< 1421624490 844410 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does mean that whenever you add a new card, it will be necessary to recompile *everything*.
< 1421624557 185310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: did you call your variable n?  if so i predict byte-for-byte equality hth
< 1421624571 360118 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I did not.
< 1421624574 848916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1421624589 876556 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason x won this time
< 1421624614 927901 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, you usually would not have to modify the rules; you would always have to recompile them (as well as recompile all existing cards) if you are adding or changing anything. If you are only deleting a card, you may be able to get away without recompiling everything right away.
< 1421624965 692698 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there's one other thing I could vary but I did choose the more plausible option
< 1421625010 130027 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are two ways of shortening a:b:[] by one character)
< 1421625256 592531 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421625650 340609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1421625690 252021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first version had a freestanding (a:) section but i got better
< 1421625739 605325 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one
< 1421625750 81125 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Create their own language
< 1421625766 361115 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like it doesn't have to be an alt of some other language 
< 1421625772 705544 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :But just a new one
< 1421625785 890659 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy. you take brainfuck and change the syn... *looks around* *runs*
< 1421625792 350768 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: There is many possible ways
< 1421625809 813967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws the saucepan after int-e and hits with a *CLANG* ===\__/
< 1421625824 214224 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I mean
< 1421625836 88726 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not taking a language and changing it
< 1421625849 940711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: i think a good first step is to have _one_ really novel idea to base it around.  that's also a hard part.
< 1421625878 47988 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Ill first need to study up
< 1421625906 544966 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess I can make a new one -3-
< 1421625909 594587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fetches his saucepan
< 1421625935 756104 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0
< 1421626023 304694 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I uh.. Got really hyper and made an entire turkey dinner today
< 1421626044 209412 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :And idk what to do with all this food
< 1421626256 577762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mom would have divided it up and stored in the freezer
< 1421626265 144578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :she was a practical woman
< 1421626272 352974 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :'was'
< 1421626276 549991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, was
< 1421626278 816965 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sad ;-;
< 1421626284 203707 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anywayd
< 1421626287 945043 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :s*
< 1421626375 176338 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :x.x == [| ] ? 
< 1421626387 721122 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would someone send this to me
< 1421626429 603682 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it because they were inspired by smalltalk?
< 1421626430 197133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like weird syntax
< 1421626434 754085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1421626443 653399 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a zero-argument method with empty body.
< 1421626472 278303 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1421626563 830369 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think to make a language it'd help to learn how it's going to be interpreted or compiled and executed.
< 1421626620 515921 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or how such things are done for whatever you want to run the language you want to make.
< 1421626685 977295 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> x.x == [| ] ?
< 1421626687 261881 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:9: parse error on input ‘|’
< 1421626749 915295 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the hint!
< 1421626758 692011 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t [|()|]
< 1421626759 581431 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input ‘|’
< 1421626778 810026 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t [ () ]
< 1421626779 637445 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[()]
< 1421626784 824237 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks gurl
< 1421626848 805754 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric : range(1, 1000) .filter(|&x| x % 2 == 0) .filter(|&x| x % 3 == 0) .take(5) .collect::<Vec<i32>>(); 
< 1421626854 891497 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk
< 1421626855 803750 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> forM [0..7] $ \i -> shows (2^i) " "
< 1421626857 261261 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["12481361","12481362","12481368","1248136 ","12481341","12481342","12481348...
< 1421626877 412479 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh haha
< 1421626884 746085 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the blank " "
< 1421626897 923759 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no reason.
< 1421626901 631833 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1421626910 492702 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do x <- [0..7]; shows (2^i) " "
< 1421626914 273798 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1421626922 708271 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do x <- [0..7]; shows (2^x) " "
< 1421626924 188328 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 "
< 1421626928 400883 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t i -- meh
< 1421626929 241034 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expr
< 1421626929 461960 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it out put the same without " "
< 1421626942 914653 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do x <- [0..7]; shows (2^x) ":"
< 1421626944 222263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1:2:4:8:16:32:64:128:"
< 1421626951 877207 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I c
< 1421626977 205758 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric : > forM [0..7] $ \i -> shows (2^i)
< 1421626982 363240 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye it doesn't
< 1421626985 337997 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1421626987 236933 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :noa
< 1421627010 69912 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck I keep doing the thing you told me not to do ._.
< 1421627019 138876 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1421627032 606293 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, shows n  returns a function that prepends the string representation of n to a string.
< 1421627047 312361 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1421627047 588604 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421627105 951485 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show 64   -- show n = shows n ""
< 1421627107 487463 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "64"
< 1421627122 914059 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1421627139 644802 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421627162 85323 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 5 [x | x <- [1..1000], x `mod` 3 == 0]
< 1421627163 482277 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [3,6,9,12,15]
< 1421627461 229402 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1421627915 348167 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :from my close study of a computer science student I have learned that 5% of it is writing code and 95% of it wondering why they wrote that
< 1421627947 781255 :Froox!~Frooxius@ip-78-102-124-108.net.upcbroadband.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1421628010 870662 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421628199 451940 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1421628307 575479 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm missing a planning phase (where one thinks about where to even begin coding) in those numbers.
< 1421628630 92086 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1421628638 391524 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1421628678 887040 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421628902 412551 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@ip-78-102-124-108.net.upcbroadband.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421629034 749361 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1421629049 933901 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421629523 204682 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1421630555 754425 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unicode μ
< 1421630556 795839 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘unicode’Not in scope: ‘μ’
< 1421630561 798640 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1421630565 778234 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :which bot was it
< 1421630583 674073 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm like very forgetful
< 1421630700 238395 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421630781 288479 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hezzo38. can I ask you a riichiquestion?
< 1421630979 889445 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: maybe I can ask you the riichiquestion?
< 1421630980 450935 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: dream or not, for no such amount was needed to keep a lone old man and woman took pleasure in trapping and slaying every cat which came near to their fnord for i recalled that in its experimental stage it had sputtered and purred when in action. in reply to questions hart said he though the escaping truck had headed up fnord avenue, though he knew not why.
< 1421630985 828638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: What question?
< 1421631022 587742 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were arguing if oya should remain oya even if she's noten during South.
< 1421631063 789900 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, it's not an official ruling, and many people always dislodge oya, regardless of the current hanchan.
< 1421631073 520520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both ways are played. I prefer that during south round (and only during south round), oya always remains oya after an exhausive draw even if noten.
< 1421631098 937127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, you can decide what variant you want to play by.
< 1421631120 814865 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so it's not just a club fantasy.
< 1421631143 488077 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it when we can slowly suck oya's points away :D
< 1421631242 260011 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41701&oldid=41651 5* 0399.127.206.54 5* (+4402) 10
< 1421631284 191588 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today On how its made
< 1421631292 252339 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sins of mankind
< 1421631384 212826 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41702&oldid=41701 5* 0399.127.206.54 5* (+2) 10/* Chicken */
< 1421631528 591488 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421631723 940328 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1421631810 700356 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421631961 486937 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1421632264 651339 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1421632513 270874 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ;
< 1421632513 981352 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+037E GREEK QUESTION MARK]
< 1421632805 471283 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ։
< 1421632806 261809 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0589 ARMENIAN FULL STOP]
< 1421632849 662892 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a ; b = b - a ; 3 = 4 ; x = 6 ; 48 ; 3 = 1 ; 2 ; 3 in x ; x ; x
< 1421632851 98876 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42
< 1421632916 510646 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow.
< 1421633067 879060 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there doesn't seem to be another code point whose glyph looks like an equality sign, besides the full width one: ＝
< 1421633300 399829 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even line or box drawings?
< 1421633318 36116 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let _ ♛ _ = 42 in () ♛ []
< 1421633319 517791 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42
< 1421633378 790355 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let _ ⣿ _ = 42 in () -- what about Braille?
< 1421633380 156727 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ()
< 1421633417 975049 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could get creative with Braille.
< 1421633440 93024 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let _ ㎓ _ = 23 in () ㎓ 42
< 1421633441 638676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 23
< 1421633467 949889 :jbkcc!~textual@c-24-6-1-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421633486 330534 :jbkcc!~textual@c-24-6-1-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1421633517 747588 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ξ̄
< 1421633569 34409 :jbkcc!~textual@c-24-6-1-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421633580 279656 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :〣
< 1421633691 789922 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :😱 could also make an excellent infix operator
< 1421633716 342847 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 😱
< 1421633718 290673 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F631 FACE SCREAMING IN FEAR \ UTF-8: f0 9f 98 b1  UTF-16BE: d83dde31  Decimal: &#128561; \ 😱 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals)
< 1421633785 458615 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421633845 83655 :jbkcc!~textual@c-24-6-1-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1421633866 528952 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: http://imgur.com/fs6dAhF
< 1421633873 102928 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꓿
< 1421633873 858946 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A4FF LISU PUNCTUATION FULL STOP]
< 1421633921 171046 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: my terminal doesn't display it either, check http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2015-01-19.txt ?
< 1421634007 935539 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day, everything will be perfectly unicodified under the Great Physics Unification.
< 1421634018 799219 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: if that doesn't help, http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/1F631.png
< 1421634084 194769 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let а = show a; a + а = printf "(%s + %s)" a а in text $ а + а + а + а
< 1421634085 353465 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Text.Printf.PrintfType t1)
< 1421634085 503833 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of ‘+’
< 1421634085 503974 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘t1’ is ambiguous
< 1421634106 659202 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let а = show a; a + а = printf "(%s + %s)" a а :: String in а + а + а + а
< 1421634107 954141 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "(((a + a) + a) + a)"
< 1421634156 714016 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the log works.
< 1421634182 105689 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode а
< 1421634182 831215 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0430 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER A]
< 1421634257 806251 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let а = show a; a ^ а = printf "(%s + %s)" a а :: String in а ^ а ^ а ^ а
< 1421634259 118166 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "(((a + a) + a) + a)"
< 1421634331 77984 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let а = show a; a 😱 а = printf "(%s 😱 %s)" a а :: String; infixr 9 😱 in а 😱 а 😱 а 😱 а
< 1421634332 262833 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "(a \128561 (a \128561 (a \128561 a)))"
< 1421634337 542001 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-182-072.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated
< 1421634339 594209 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let а = show (a + a); a ^ а = printf "(%s + %s)" a а :: String in а ^ а ^ а ^ а
< 1421634340 844626 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "(((a + a + a + a) + a + a) + a + a)"
< 1421634352 992657 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-182-072.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421634453 371839 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🀀
< 1421634454 50574 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1F000 MAHJONG TILE EAST WIND]
< 1421634459 171684 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful.
< 1421634512 138960 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🐴
< 1421634513 138894 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F434 HORSE FACE \ UTF-8: f0 9f 90 b4  UTF-16BE: d83ddc34  Decimal: &#128052; \ 🐴 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals)
< 1421634531 514851 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have no font for that one, apparently)
< 1421634657 831061 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! I can see the mahjong tile!
< 1421634669 446633 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hmm... I think I have a new feature for metasepia...)
< 1421634691 777736 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`shuffle 123
< 1421634692 392978 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: shuffle: not found
< 1421634707 616143 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, which bot had the perfect shuffle?
< 1421634739 649684 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` seq 3 | shuf
< 1421634741 53794 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 \ 1 \ 2
< 1421634889 246804 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr ((.reverse).(:)) [] "🂡🂢🂣🂤🂥🂦🂧🂨🂩🂪🂫🂭🂮🂱🂲🂳🂴🂵🂶🂷🂸🂹🂺🂻🂽🂾🃁🃂🃃🃄🃅🃆🃇🃈🃉🃊🃋🃍🃎🃑🃒🃓🃔🃕🃖🃗🃘🃙🃚🃛🃝🃞"
< 1421634890 421836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\127137\127139\127141\127143\127145\127147\127150\127154\127156\127158\1271...
< 1421634906 891299 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ foldr ((.reverse).(:)) [] "🂡🂢🂣🂤🂥🂦🂧🂨🂩🂪🂫🂭🂮🂱🂲🂳🂴🂵🂶🂷🂸🂹🂺🂻🂽🂾"
< 1421634908 95594 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 🂡🂣🂥🂧🂩🂫🂮🂲🂴🂶🂸🂺🂽🂾🂻🂹🂷🂵🂳🂱🂭🂪🂨🂦🂤🂢
< 1421634920 601723 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ foldr ((.reverse).(:)) [] "🂡🂢🂣🂤🂥🂦🂧🂨🂩🂪🂫🂭🂮🂱🂲🂳🂴🂵🂶🂷🂸🂹🂺🂻🂽🂾🃁🃂🃃🃄🃅🃆🃇🃈🃉🃊🃋🃍🃎🃑🃒🃓🃔🃕🃖🃗🃘🃙🃚🃛🃝🃞"
< 1421634921 973244 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 🂡🂣🂥🂧🂩🂫🂮🂲🂴🂶🂸🂺🂽🃁🃃🃅🃇🃉🃋🃎🃒🃔🃖🃘🃚🃝🃞🃛🃙🃗🃕🃓🃑🃍🃊🃈🃆🃄🃂🂾🂻🂹🂷🂵🂳🂱🂭🂪🂨🂦🂤🂢
< 1421634947 762835 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut
< 1421635032 45790 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no ⼔.
< 1421635097 783889 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⼔
< 1421635098 556158 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2F14 KANGXI RADICAL SPOON]
< 1421635113 284256 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course. obviously.
< 1421635864 365732 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: TURBOCHARGED CHICKEN
< 1421636534 341407 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421636885 313882 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :your move kaiba
< 1421638504 369409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Lilax>  'I thought I had some blue cheese in my fridge, but to my disappointment it was just normal cheese accelerating towards me'  <-- now i'm imagining some alien storage device that works by keeping perishables in a strong gravitational field
< 1421638522 68737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which does this when you take things out
< 1421638560 754067 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol
< 1421638572 10691 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are funny
< 1421638574 632205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i think it would have to be redshifted while actually slowed down
< 1421638614 285476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx yw
< 1421638767 51565 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421638915 900665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Fridges of Alpha Centauri, coming far too soon to a cinema near you
< 1421638963 351552 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon? 4 years minimum.
< 1421638979 138574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they may have got a head start
< 1421638991 542851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the light has just been seen
< 1421639038 826093 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate the fact that all I can see is the past.
< 1421639074 631290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also their cheesy "i'm blue da ba dee" broadcasts
< 1421639099 865761 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:b40e:716b:e7d5:ad15 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1421639120 19780 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question: somewhere on the wiki there was a page that had a list of esolang interpreters for other esolanguages. Even mentioning the longest chain. Does anyone remember where that page is?
< 1421639122 258949 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:b40e:716b:e7d5:ad15 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421639133 26266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :esointerpreters
< 1421639154 149993 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite clever.
< 1421639158 638846 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1421639171 643863 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that freaking song in my head again.
< 1421639188 906062 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, thx for the page.
< 1421639211 240290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can replace the song with something swedish hth
< 1421639227 728234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(luckily boily isn't here to tell you it's a trap)
< 1421639231 255734 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give me your best shot.
< 1421639261 859792 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except any of those songs with nonsense lyrics.
< 1421639280 623517 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hope that doesn't exclude all of them)
< 1421639283 86881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hccf-8BYaDg hth
< 1421639294 337957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not _technically_ nonsense
< 1421639430 973786 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god...
< 1421639488 393727 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea what they're sing... talking about, but it's unsettling.
< 1421639495 287027 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it about?
< 1421639520 65678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about a perpetuum mobile/rube goldberg device
< 1421639520 305612 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, you win. Got to 2m 8s
< 1421639566 351166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1421639580 360319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks an evil cackle is in order
< 1421639586 853782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHAHAHA*
< 1421639627 782933 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even you can't like that, right? 
< 1421639636 661859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um yes i do
< 1421639642 431511 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I say 'even you', but I don't really know your taste)
< 1421639666 135146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i am nostalgic about it, since i was a teen when it was a hit
< 1421639697 236916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly even younger
< 1421639707 290057 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1421639754 782484 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beginning sounds a bit like some Quantum Conundrum music
< 1421639756 249097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it helps if you understand the hilarious lyrics
< 1421639810 409776 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a cackle oerjan
< 1421639816 117803 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an evil laugh
< 1421639818 391401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1421639820 605461 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a cackle
< 1421639823 163770 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_ILKlb1Pa8
< 1421639826 474665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINE
< 1421639832 692727 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :NYAHAHAHAHA
< 1421639856 878157 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you ain't my brother
< 1421639860 181062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NONSENSE
< 1421639891 79652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i forgot to tell i'm eating pizza.  it's traditional.
< 1421639928 210131 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may have been eating pizza 5 nights a week >.>
< 1421639966 613154 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :You lucky lil shit
< 1421639975 424806 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't had pizza in years
< 1421640025 609438 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xHK0m5hVyY
< 1421640725 180026 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07EsoInterpreters14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41703&oldid=40561 5* 03188.188.90.222 5* (+541) 10/* Main table */ Added MNNBFSL's contributions
< 1421641039 642333 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1421642346 880379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: did you see http://play.prismata.net/?r=g5+eg-e95rs
< 1421643019 538171 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to watch
< 1421643040 652669 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 NICK :MDream
< 1421643054 32133 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bear in mind while I might understand the basic mechanics of Prismata, I have no idea on strategy, as has been proven to you twice
< 1421643249 372439 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O
< 1421643269 52749 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I got confused as to whose turn it was. Diidn't occur to me that Eiko could actually do anything
< 1421643326 76155 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nerf Cluster Bolt by making it cost 1gold?
< 1421643335 670560 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+4green still)
< 1421643367 876858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that it's actually that much of a problematic unit.
< 1421643388 666661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you're welcome to try that strategy in a game against me and see what happens.
< 1421643392 671921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have no idea what I'd do.)
< 1421644012 709921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: We should play some Prismata! It'll be great.
< 1421644026 324873 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should play more against Master Bot
< 1421644034 455204 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that I can have some semblance of a clue
< 1421644037 687315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No reason to play against any other bot.
< 1421644053 360961 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not open to all to play?
< 1421644061 858070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet.
< 1421644068 592813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a demo at http://play.prismata.net/?demo
< 1421644077 545967 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, thanks.
< 1421644089 394596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not impossible to get hold of alpha keys.
< 1421644131 959589 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421644150 401447 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly muck around on hearthstone, but I've been looking for something new lately.
< 1421644212 32150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prismata has some interesting ideas.
< 1421644277 8209 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist [S]
< 1421644289 605504 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist [S]: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
< 1421644313 762445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[S]geo
< 1421644320 429449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[S]ound?
< 1421644342 59959 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, [S]ound
< 1421645012 716078 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit
< 1421646176 72458 :^v!~^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421646323 284137 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:b40e:716b:e7d5:ad15 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1421646661 152115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: prismata tip: press ` to get a button that turns on superpower mode
< 1421646666 660269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :your superpower is information
< 1421646685 51466 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 QUIT :Quit: bbl
< 1421647403 734844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION concludes that the longest esointerpreter chains haven't changed since last he checked
< 1421647673 524027 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a war in my throat, between stomach acid and not-stomach-acid
< 1421647675 912268 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1421647687 956052 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, below throat I guess
< 1421647698 542327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :may the acid from your not-stomach win
< 1421647713 524856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish
< 1421647743 524316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help what's fiendish
< 1421647752 117843 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1421647760 177049 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :flem?
< 1421647783 593384 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :stomach acid shouldn't hurt in the esophogus
< 1421647793 775739 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :or lower areas near the stomach
< 1421647802 241920 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: in that case, what's heartburn?
< 1421647827 475850 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's near the top where your mouth is
< 1421647842 155631 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it feels bad in my chest
< 1421647849 3590 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye
< 1421647869 189120 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eating anything weird lately?
< 1421647886 473167 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pizza 5 nights a week? Also, GERD diagnosis + meds that don't seem to be helping
< 1421647892 818665 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1421647895 368631 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :pizza
< 1421647897 151991 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lel
< 1421647917 271425 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greasy foods cause stomach acid production to sky rocket
< 1421647985 664516 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since there isn't any feeling to pre regurgatation you probably puked a little in your sleep and swallowed it back down and now you have a peice of acidy food bit stuck in there
< 1421647998 476863 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :drink water Sgeo 
< 1421648021 676281 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :And or Orange juice / pinnaple juice it should disolve whatevers in there
< 1421648022 800299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just drink a strong base hth
< 1421648028 426830 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye
< 1421648057 433086 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a medical class and Coincidentaly we are talking about effects of grease on the stomach
< 1421648073 520396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: i refuse to take responsibility if Sgeo is actually stupid enough to follow my advice)
< 1421648082 940209 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its good in small ammounts; But a whole pizza every week
< 1421648086 576976 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't good
< 1421648098 398193 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eat some fruit and Then some Steak and such 
< 1421648116 154361 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also glucose Have some of dat
< 1421648151 400034 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1421648163 178958 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye you go drink teh waters
< 1421648172 835435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe i should try buying apples again.  i stopped buying them in the autumn because the norwegian ones got in season and sheesh how can a blood red apple be _that_ sour?
< 1421648308 359340 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1421648325 184707 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh red apples are sour cuz they are in the inbetween stages
< 1421648341 313409 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :A nice Redish yellow green apple is sweet and amazing
< 1421648351 625640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i'm pretty sure red apples are the final stage?
< 1421648357 515236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :before it starts rotting
< 1421648361 878646 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different aplle types
< 1421648366 491721 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple*
< 1421648406 122778 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a banana
< 1421648410 173993 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was p good
< 1421648459 657458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: aren't apples supposed to be sour twh
< 1421648463 728632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFukyIIM1XI
< 1421648472 117109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not in my opinion
< 1421648494 425161 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sour apples are good to wake you up
< 1421648510 458365 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I need sweet apples TO LIVE
< 1421648662 419761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that version was too long even for me
< 1421648705 379669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: that's sour cereal hth
< 1421648826 589381 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421648837 454030 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My phone fell on my keyboard. Windows bluescreened.
< 1421648856 195304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did you go to the prelease or whatever it was?
< 1421648865 543955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you pull any bumps?
< 1421648889 688156 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I will swallow a base, thank
< 1421648890 872529 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1421648924 645900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MY GOT I KILLED SGEO
< 1421648936 730406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how the fuck
< 1421648953 997625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fingers are speaking a different language than me
< 1421649048 661970 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assume Tums are a base)
< 1421649060 692534 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, tomorrow. Unless 7-Eleven has tums or generic
< 1421649102 107761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm calcium carbonate yeah that's a base
< 1421649172 478834 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do want to speak with a pharmacist to check that it won't interact with anything
< 1421649186 888099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually a salt
< 1421649187 645020 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the meantime... attempt to sleep with heartburn? :/
< 1421649266 881760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or both
< 1421649332 27793 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently nighttime heartburn is dangerous, in a long-term sense
< 1421649342 96801 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(According to WebMD)
< 1421649405 212415 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on prescription meds for this, why aren't they working :(
< 1421649464 875832 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421649527 203200 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1421649671 104106 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :His phone fell on his key board and windows blue screened?!
< 1421649682 484035 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't windows remove the blue screen thing
< 1421649703 210886 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to go it regedit to Change it so it can blue screen again
< 1421649782 52544 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blue screen looks different
< 1421649806 770142 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1421649812 694379 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo drink water
< 1421649815 671640 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot water
< 1421649832 546036 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :To disolve any acidic residue in esophogus
< 1421650191 811626 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1421650424 304988 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stares at chat
< 1421650440 322335 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits
< 1421650548 140236 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been drinking cold water all day
< 1421650564 606091 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure I have any utensils suitable for hot water
< 1421650674 525952 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dont have running hot water?!
< 1421650686 587785 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mails Sgeo hot water
< 1421650830 780808 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have anything other than my hands I would feel comfortable drinking it from
< 1421650838 633070 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For cold water, have an old plastic water bottle
< 1421651031 538616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see young people these days don't bother with those old-fashioned "cups"
< 1421651047 297492 :evejou!~Alice@96.26.85.37 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421651078 62238 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1421651174 544784 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would hot water even actually work?
< 1421651178 700357 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds a bit folklorish
< 1421652452 144448 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1421652462 331685 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not boiling water ok sgeo
< 1421652637 917637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here other than Sgeo play prismata? perhaps it's not the right channel for it
< 1421652922 953808 :chaosagent_!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1421652965 413466 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend does
< 1421653088 431236 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/cards.txt s/at least one not having cover, /at most one not having covering, / ?
< 1421653302 670672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you I fixed it. (I also reworded it a bit more too in order to make it clear.)
< 1421653324 323193 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how does that interact with banding though?
< 1421653349 502209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably clarify that too.
< 1421653387 86884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it seems clear to me how it interacts with banding at least.
< 1421653422 103755 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but at this point, if you have both forming bands AND damage order AND damage distribution stuff in the ability, I don't see what it gains over banding. in fact, banding seems _simpler_.
< 1421653460 667931 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I preferred when it didn't allow you to form bands
< 1421653526 639263 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you could make a similar ability that somehow works by redirecting damage to it from another creature in combat.
< 1421653537 822789 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure that could work well
< 1421653566 24409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't allow you to form bands; it is similar but for blocking. (Bands won't do much for blocking, but here it does something. It could be changed of course, such as by redirection or whatever)
< 1421653610 870798 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1421653862 76614 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if an attacking or blocking creature of an opponent assigns damage to both a creature with banding and one with covering (which may be the same creature or different ones), what are the requirements for how I have to distribute the damage to my creatures?
< 1421653865 917424 :MoALTz_!~no@78-11-152-253.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421653884 808380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to distribute all of it to one with covering.
< 1421653908 699480 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok. 
< 1421653968 956139 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, because you have banding, you can choose which one with covering if you have more than one.
< 1421654023 863427 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you should mention this in the description somewhere, because it's not clear to me.
< 1421654033 56677 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-152-253.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1421654038 959884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1421654051 983268 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, why couldn't I just assing damage to the non-covering creatures, as the banding lets me ignore the damage order anyway?
< 1421654070 833088 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I should clarify that.
< 1421654164 216640 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421654237 571288 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do these blocking groups work like bands in that the "when becomes blocked by" and "when blocks" triggered abilities don't trigger/
< 1421654255 670956 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, um, I'm not really sure how banding works either really.
< 1421654260 907720 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421654279 841940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you must learn.
< 1421654370 810155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure either. Must I learn?
< 1421654372 334314 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, probably. Though those triggers are mostly green and banding is mostly white, so it comes up only if I build a green-white deck.
< 1421654591 905146 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1421654594 155664 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :About that, is it just me, or have wotc really stopped printing creatures with simple abilities that give a p/t bonus triggered when the creature is (blocking | blocking more than one creature | becomes blocked | attacking), since about 10th ed?
< 1421654626 734647 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giant Badger is such a creature fro example
< 1421654655 836506 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cave Tiger is another
< 1421654666 129777 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Deepwood Wolverine
< 1421654694 66384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there is one in 10th Ed too, so I'm wrong: Elvish Berserker
< 1421654705 75362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there was at least one in RTR?
< 1421654712 32033 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Goblin Elite Infantry
< 1421654788 42943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm thinking of Fortress Cyclops
< 1421654801 982778 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: dunno. TSP has multiple creatures with flanking, which is somewhat similar
< 1421654888 858674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's Charging Griffin
< 1421654892 696767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :From M14
< 1421654895 70673 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, Fortress Cyclops, nice
< 1421654919 14097 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh, nice
< 1421654924 575212 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1421654967 475158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Guardian of the Gateless also counts.
< 1421654979 242678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's not a "simple ability".
< 1421654991 430825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Netcaster Spider?
< 1421654999 773188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's less simple too.
< 1421655092 510689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can understand, the "when becomes blocked by" and "when blocks" triggered abilities will trigger, both for banding and for covering; I don't see why either would prevent it.
< 1421655117 651268 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh, Guardian of the Gateless rewards you for multi-blocking, that's like Lairwatch Giant
< 1421655133 826644 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rightousness doesn't count of course)
< 1421655198 977036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore it is possible that a card with covering might be able to block a card that it wouldn't ordinarily be able to block (as long as you have another card that can block it), just as it is possible for a card with banding to be blocked by something that wouldn't ordinarily be able to block it.
< 1421655292 15357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Banding is described in rule 702.21.
< 1421655556 795225 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are times when "Brainwash" is much better than "Oppressive Rays", "Arrest", or "Guard Duty".
< 1421655602 636563 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1421655609 921483 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are Times for every Action.
< 1421655611 956588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when putting it on your own card.
< 1421655655 283958 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1421655750 762111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It allows you to choose not to attack even if you would otherwise be forced to attack, and it allows you to use mana abilities while declaring attackers. Although, if you are playing blue, you might prefer War Tax (assuming you happen to get that card in your card pool).
< 1421655804 61163 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :War Tax is good because you can use one card on both yourself and on your opponent, instead of requiring two cards.
< 1421656242 802773 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There's an increased risk of choking on refluxed stomach contents.
< 1421656243 3337 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If refluxed acid is in the throat and mouth, a GERD sufferer can inhale this into their lungs. Once in the lungs, it can cause a GERD sufferer to cough and choke on this aspirated material. The acid can also cause the same damage to the lungs as it can cause when refluxed into the esophagus."
< 1421656245 189041 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdjflasfhjasklasdf
< 1421656247 774025 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS AGAIN
< 1421656525 853349 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if I have a creature with covering and you resolve Master Warcraft, can you make my creatures form covering groups for blocking?
< 1421656554 768376 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scared to sleep now
< 1421656723 381262 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is the same as whether or not you are allowed to make the attackers to form banding groups. I guess so, but I don't know so I will try to look it up and/or ask elsewhere and/or whatever.
< 1421656753 260057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe that isn't right.
< 1421656820 119781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it might not be the same, because Master Warcraft doesn't let you choose what player or planeswalker a creature attacks
< 1421656824 459893 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so it doesn't allow you to decide bands; the active player still does that.
< 1421656859 982214 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1421656862 782230 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But apparently it allows you to make all choices involved for blocking, so in that case yes you can decide covering groups.
< 1421657161 295627 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how Master Warcraft even interacts with costs for attacking or blocking
< 1421657318 460681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither do I.
< 1421657350 810649 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should find out because Master Warcraft is both a cool card and has nice art
< 1421657355 837574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also wondering about that, and other stuff about Master Warcraft.
< 1421657368 486271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, costs for attacking or blocking aren't that common
< 1421657750 312867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My guess is that for attacking at least, if it is your opponent's turn, you can choose which creatures attack but then the active player (your opponent) can decide how to pay the costs (and if they include mana, which mana abilities to use and in what order); if they do it wrong it is rolled back and you have to try again; you can choose the same attackers and they have to do it properly this time; if that is not possible you have to choose differe
< 1421657761 295205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For blocking it is less clear.
< 1421657822 622632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think?
< 1421657939 335130 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know. It's possible that Master Warcraft can force me to sac islands to attack with a Leviathan if I have two islands, but I don't thikn it can force me to activate mana abilities.
< 1421657992 372352 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: on a different note, have you succeeded downloading the Khans set faq? because I tried again and the website just doesn't serve it.
< 1421658051 713509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Didn't I send you a working link the other day?
< 1421658057 892786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I misunderstood what you meant.
< 1421658062 311940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried.
< 1421658063 744473 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I didn't notice the link
< 1421658069 369020 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1421658078 883633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/release-notes-2014-09-18
< 1421658090 795113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The set faq is now called the release notes, you said.
< 1421658108 365025 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: for Fate, it's certaonly called release notes
< 1421658128 655743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this thing not a set faq?
< 1421658155 230533 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that seems to be the correct link, and I think it's the same, but it's hard to be sure
< 1421658188 598573 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really hope there isn't a separate release notes and set faq
< 1421658211 882490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except maybe for un-sets)
< 1421658227 23142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://archive.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/faq/jou is also called "release notes"
< 1421659056 162647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does () in Haskell correspond to the Sierpiński space?
< 1421659129 640622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that is but I can try to look in Wikipedia
< 1421659173 722643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know the answer.
< 1421659212 34982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if you can only decide what a card blocks and absolutely nothing else, then you cannot decide covering groups either.
< 1421659247 367699 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The FSF wants... your old car http://www.fsf.org/associate/car
< 1421659293 243495 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can't you also decide on which side of the Raging River you're trying to block?
< 1421659318 677207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't know? Ask that too on other IRC
< 1421659367 282983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's a topological space with two points 0 and 1 where only {1} is open.
< 1421659405 270233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I can see that! It doesn't tell me if () in Haskell is correspond to the Sierpiski space.
< 1421659461 762744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, if I give you a value x :: (), you can observe that x is () but you can't observe that x is _|_
< 1421659478 129626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's the same way for 1 and 0
< 1421659509 482484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes I can understand you, but I don't know a lot about topological spaces.
< 1421659548 640417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at http://www.paultaylor.eu/ASD/sobsc.pdf
< 1421659687 356935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a finite partial order is also a topological space, and i think the CPO of () gives that topological space
< 1421659759 728162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why finite?
< 1421659774 608502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and why partial rather than pre? are you talking about the alexandrov topology or something else?)
< 1421659777 843135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1421659804 322943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the other way around, a finite topological space is a partial (pre-)order
< 1421659836 809051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, sure
< 1421659866 269186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only a partial order if all the points are topologically distinguishable
< 1421659872 178132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1421659880 566954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. T0 separation axiom
< 1421659899 952106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it's T1 it's fully discrete
< 1421659917 228711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1421659921 790800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot of wiggle room :'(
< 1421659938 737727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much do order-theory/topology concepts translate back and forth?
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< 1421659993 575607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i think monotonicity may be the same as continuity
< 1421659993 976178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. inf/sup, galois connection, total order
< 1421660006 607823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's the idea of this isomorphism
< 1421660034 989918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a monotonic function between preorders is a continuous function between their alexandrov spaces
< 1421660063 724073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and vice versa if your space is alexandrov)
< 1421660071 856552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do all these other concepts translate?
< 1421660101 816533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect that in a sense most of topology isn't interesting in the finite cases
< 1421660103 239778 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is crazy
< 1421660115 498621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly things like compactness are only interesting in the infinite case
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< 1421660227 857165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :compactness is a kind of co-discreteness (see harmonic analysis)
< 1421660243 471833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you're both compact and discrete, you're finite
< 1421660247 635290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i read in order to understand that statement twh
< 1421660259 182201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dual group theory
< 1421660285 643828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dual group of the integers is the unit circle
< 1421660295 106815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first discrete, the second compact
< 1421660303 918917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard that compactness is co-overtness hth
< 1421660308 808464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1421660324 258860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a bad use of "hth"
< 1421660358 966512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know about overtness
< 1421660379 222440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/overt%20space
< 1421660393 7922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you're talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontryagin_duality ?
< 1421660402 672797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds familiar
< 1421660436 378925 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, let's set up a combo to infinite mindslave this channel and take it over
< 1421660438 232494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to investigate
< 1421660470 604994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how would you topologically describe properties like "total order" and "supremum"
< 1421660474 399151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll grab my Pemmin's Aura
< 1421660483 576844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess supremum would only be only unique in a T0 space
< 1421660555 861163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :total order means that given any two points, one is in the closure of the other?
< 1421660629 969112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1421660664 429237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you run into trouble soon enough because you don't have a notion of duality in topology in general?
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< 1421660793 407814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1421661097 152765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about translating things the other way
< 1421661119 306294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you run into trouble because finite topologies are usually boring
< 1421661122 376022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and non-T1
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< 1421661136 425103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1421661249 656514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: anyway you have the thing where an inhabitant of (X -> S) corresponds to an open subset of X, right?
< 1421661276 737791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a corresponding thing in haskell with (X -> ())?
< 1421661296 966473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1421661321 87807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that would be recursive subset, wouldn't it
< 1421661330 820674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1421661338 948083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursively enumerable
< 1421661347 35814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursively enumerable, sure
< 1421661358 487776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm except that might not be right if X isn't enumerable to start with
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< 1421661620 571185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite x = length x `seq` ()?
< 1421661751 644311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1421661834 738297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's right
< 1421661866 932521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it makes sense that monotonic functions : X -> {0,1} would correspond to upper sets in X
< 1421662224 111529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, how many functions :: Bool -> () are there?
< 1421662284 452918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-strict: 3; strict: 3^2 = 9; total: 12
< 1421662384 882234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, i fear we may be succeeding in delaying GHC 7.10 http://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9858#comment:14
< 1421662472 822851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny that the bug has been around for 6 weeks and no one noticed
< 1421662568 203919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :| A_|_ -> B_|_ | = | B_|_ | + (| B_|_ | ^ |A|), I guess.
< 1421662579 262377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A and B being flat/discrete/whatever)
< 1421662624 586990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric := 1 + |B| + (1 + |B|)^|A|
< 1421662644 977562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I was thinking Bool -> Bool
< 1421662667 735470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 6. non-strict: 2; strict: 2^2 = 4
< 1421662715 270009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there only one non-strict one?
< 1421662832 949037 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, it's a serious type system bug, now that SPJ is aware of it he will want to see it fixed (probably by himself but since typeable is involved it may split up into several subtasks) :)
< 1421662970 260509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only count 5 functions :: Bool -> ()
< 1421662992 848437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-strict: f _ = undefined; f _ = ()... oh, that first one is strict.
< 1421663006 199789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, | A_|_ -> B_|_ | = |B| + (1 + |B|)^|A|
< 1421663106 165509 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, A_|_ is A_\bot... hard to read.
< 1421663115 480262 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps ^\bot
< 1421663457 744621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry :p
< 1421663505 75205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, so what's the topology for Bool
< 1421663523 813546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should probably go to sleep
< 1421663707 669095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :{} {⊥,F,T} {F} {T} {F,T}, i suppose
< 1421663768 530122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to sleep
< 1421664814 862948 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok, now try some manifest+cytoshape questions
< 1421664827 487802 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1421664831 921630 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you do case c of { };?
< 1421664857 818040 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm.
< 1421664861 38840 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :case c of {} works though
< 1421665416 753027 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/xMESZWvA
< 1421665540 356417 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which neatly compiles to http://codepad.org/soIMKlDB
< 1421665851 631300 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The language itself dosen't actually specify what operators do)
< 1421665868 889797 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ is just translated to a call to "bOp"++ ord op
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< 1421668329 524575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0605779 fancy
< 1421668380 778371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn that paper is long
< 1421668770 113307 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Conway had even pored over [Tarski's proof] at one time or another without achieving enlightenment."
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< 1421679229 266511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome helix__
< 1421679249 572626 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06helix__: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02<http://esolangs.org/>. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.)
< 1421679959 696918 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^200 doesn't exist?
< 1421679961 302331 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn :(
< 1421679993 503853 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it deos
< 1421680044 46477 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python -c 'print 2^200'
< 1421680045 341783 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :202
< 1421680055 763340 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks python...
< 1421680112 70429 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, owhats that ccompiler?
< 1421680126 264870 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^200
< 1421680127 698264 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1606938044258990275541962092341162602522202993782792835301376
< 1421680151 5252 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1421680157 99100 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that big number, did haskell get corrupted
< 1421680188 273291 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it embraces big integers, to better represent its net worth
< 1421680235 22421 :helix__!557ec73a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.126.199.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey everyone
< 1421680242 861049 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :h
< 1421680243 975127 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1421680359 665665 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lie, it's datatypes are free
< 1421680388 729321 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "since"><
< 1421680388 969863 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "ceins"
< 1421680395 498245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ |.'since'
< 1421680405 197545 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :initially this was amusing but at this point it's terminal
< 1421680421 738133 :helix__!557ec73a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.126.199.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing my final paper about esoteric programming languages so I'm looking for different sources of information
< 1421680436 344259 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :helix__, have you seen the esowiki
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< 1421680457 469791 :helix__!557ec73a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.126.199.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean esolangs.com?
< 1421680460 988556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* priority:  high => highest
< 1421680474 142151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS NO REASON FOR PANIC
< 1421680480 6486 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1421680480 327199 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of corruption in haskell
< 1421680491 640275 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ |.'since'
< 1421680492 299019 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ecnis
< 1421680494 142540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: you're following the trac too?
< 1421680496 54020 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we need to escalate the bug further!!!!!!1
< 1421680502 377465 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 'since'><
< 1421680502 528049 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: (line 1, column 10):
< 1421680502 678467 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | unexpected end of input
< 1421680507 960514 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "since"><
< 1421680508 111130 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "ceins"
< 1421680513 731765 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, how do I reverse a string?
< 1421680555 825349 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: insert a right-to-left mark?
< 1421680582 21219 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "123"r
< 1421680582 171619 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: (line 1, column 7):
< 1421680582 322181 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | unexpected end of input
< 1421680594 401503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helix__: pretty sure it's esolangs.org
< 1421680631 146681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm parked domain
< 1421680667 48691 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "reverse"<-
< 1421680667 209183 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "esrever"
< 1421680671 718466 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "since"<-
< 1421680671 869078 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "ecnis"
< 1421680675 427387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1421680679 298924 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-
< 1421680680 137394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1421680693 609426 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "since"<-<-<-
< 1421680693 809854 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "ecnis"
< 1421680710 557334 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I made up some simple stack based programming language and writing a compiler from that language to haskell
< 1421680716 193931 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat!
< 1421680736 931564 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the compiler is written in haskell, but I plan to rewrite the compiler in the stack based programming language itself so I have a self-hosting compiler)
< 1421680830 913164 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ /:'since'
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< 1421680834 11863 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ceins
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< 1421681218 826755 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {4 3 2 1 0}
< 1421681225 860233 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "since"<>{"since"jFi}m[
< 1421681226 12794 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {0 2 1 4 3}
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< 1421681232 45012 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {3 4 1 2 0}
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< 1421681256 654659 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ /:/:'since'
< 1421681257 396115 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 4 2 3 0 1
< 1421681265 808885 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "since"><{"since"Fi}m[
< 1421681265 959268 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {ERROR: Burlesque: (_+) Invalid arguments!}
< 1421681270 967875 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "since"><{"since"qjFi}m[
< 1421681271 128846 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {ERROR: Burlesque: (_+) Invalid arguments!}
< 1421681273 988261 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "since"><{"since"QjFi}m[
< 1421681274 138905 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {ERROR: Burlesque: (_+) Invalid arguments!}
< 1421681276 543766 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "since"><{"since"JjFi}m[
< 1421681276 694720 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {ERROR: Burlesque: (_+) Invalid arguments!}
< 1421681282 424149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pressing random buttons
< 1421681284 614921 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just j
< 1421681287 116778 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "since"><{"since"jFi}m[
< 1421681287 267440 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {3 4 1 2 0}
< 1421681299 140995 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but I want to swap
< 1421681304 8894 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1421681305 300883 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the order?
< 1421681306 669714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's in a map
< 1421681309 633065 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "since"<>{"since"jFi}m[
< 1421681309 783554 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {0 2 1 4 3}
< 1421681310 619884 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hwy it doesn't work
< 1421681314 63383 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1421681314 214039 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :(
< 1421681334 161253 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "since"JPp<>{"since"jFi}m[
< 1421681334 350149 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {0 2 1 4 3}
< 1421681340 71373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "since"{"since"<>Fi}m[
< 1421681340 221705 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {ERROR: Burlesque: (_+) Invalid arguments!}
< 1421681342 100326 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "since"JPp<>{pPjFi}m[
< 1421681342 251062 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {0 2 1 4 3}
< 1421681344 851926 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw
< 1421681345 142843 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "since"{"since"<>jFi}m[
< 1421681345 293267 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {0 2 1 4 3}
< 1421681510 274471 :evejou1!~Alice@wsip-98-191-169-90.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421681527 958284 :evejou1!~Alice@wsip-98-191-169-90.dc.dc.cox.net PART :#esoteric
< 1421681560 652386 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abcdefgh"JPp<>{pPjFi}m[
< 1421681560 812767 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0}
< 1421681565 193002 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abcdefgh"JPp<>{pPjFi}m[BS
< 1421681565 348695 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0
< 1421681622 430091 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq %s="cB5JAfdsibE3GHlarM794O0YKogVm/k"%s?<>
< 1421681622 581048 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "sromlkigfdcbaYVOMKJHGEBA975430/"
< 1421681649 739985 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq %s="cB5JAfdsibE3GHlarM794O0YKogVm/k"%s?><{%s?jFi}m[
< 1421681649 930026 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {29 22 11 20 2 18 19 4 1 10 12 13 3 24 17 21 27 23 15 9 0 6 5 26 8 30 14 28 25 16 7}
< 1421681651 428763 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well look at that, a GG comic
< 1421681664 646763 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right back off track, where we left
< 1421681679 525294 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :off.
< 1421681679 822548 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ /:s=.'cB5JAfdsibE3GHlarM794O0YKogVm/k'
< 1421681680 465358 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 29 22 11 20 2 18 19 4 1 10 12 13 3 24 17 21 27 23 15 9 0 6 5 26 8 30 14 28 25 16 7
< 1421681692 883968 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq %s="cB5JAfdsibE3GHlarM794O0YKogVm/k"%s?{%s?><jFi}m[
< 1421681693 45187 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {20 8 4 12 7 22 21 30 24 19 9 2 10 11 26 18 29 14 5 6 3 15 1 17 13 28 23 16 27 0 25}
< 1421681703 184149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ /:/:s=.'cB5JAfdsibE3GHlarM794O0YKogVm/k'
< 1421681703 869240 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 20 8 4 12 7 22 21 30 24 19 9 2 10 11 26 18 29 14 5 6 3 15 1 17 13 28 23 16 27 0 25
< 1421681725 980846 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ /:s
< 1421681726 655261 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 29 22 11 20 2 18 19 4 1 10 12 13 3 24 17 21 27 23 15 9 0 6 5 26 8 30 14 28 25 16 7
< 1421681762 988453 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 20 8 4 12 7 22 21 30 24 19 9 2 10 11 26 18 29 14 5 6 3 15 1 17 13 28 23 16 27 0 25 -: /:/:s
< 1421681763 740290 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1
< 1421681771 371631 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ #s
< 1421681772 113714 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 31
< 1421681801 208139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq %s="cB5JAfdsibE3GHlarM794O0YKogVm/k"%s?L[
< 1421681801 358921 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 31
< 1421681808 469444 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, they agree
< 1421681862 14915 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't they
< 1421681876 561881 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: because I don't really know how burlesque works
< 1421681891 454218 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can easily make mistakes in blsq code
< 1421681901 959372 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"%s?{%s?><jFi}m["
< 1421681906 926234 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they say J looks like line noise
< 1421681916 673472 :shikhin!~shikhin@120.57.231.229 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421681926 293521 :shikhin!~shikhin@120.57.231.229 QUIT :Changing host
< 1421681926 443862 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421681996 455926 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 10GOm{?i}
< 1421681996 606533 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (m[) Invalid arguments!
< 1421681996 606695 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {?i}
< 1421681996 756902 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (m[) Invalid arguments!
< 1421682006 108431 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1421682014 425346 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 10rom{?i}
< 1421682014 593617 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11}
< 1421682022 997130 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1421682036 885242 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq %s="since"%s?m{%s?><jFi}
< 1421682037 35694 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {4 2 3 0 1}
< 1421682273 945218 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421682302 990838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i think off track is pretty correct for that train
< 1421682434 855367 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you haven't modified blsq since last time, when I complained about wanting an assignment statement that has the variable name in the command but pops the value from the stack, right?
< 1421682710 899444 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1421682715 725073 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't touched it for a long time.
< 1421682721 312206 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were the shortcuts for storing and loading variable 0?
< 1421682748 79428 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :g<digit> for loading and s<digit> for storing
< 1421682757 167550 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e s3 and g3 or s0 and g0
< 1421682763 50851 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 9s0g0
< 1421682763 201595 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 9
< 1421682764 479363 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "cB5JAfdsibE3GHlarM794O0YKogVm/k"s0g0{g0?><jFi}m[
< 1421682764 629757 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {ERROR: Burlesque: (_+) Invalid arguments!}
< 1421682772 227510 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "cB5JAfdsibE3GHlarM794O0YKogVm/k"s0g0{g0><jFi}m[
< 1421682772 377854 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {20 8 4 12 7 22 21 30 24 19 9 2 10 11 26 18 29 14 5 6 3 15 1 17 13 28 23 16 27 0 25}
< 1421682797 73019 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's shorter
< 1421682806 880164 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "cB5JAfdsibE3GHlarM794O0YKogVm/k"s0g0){g0><jFi}
< 1421682807 32867 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {BlsqGet "0" >< j Fi 'c BlsqGet "0" >< j Fi 'B BlsqGet "0" >< j Fi '5 BlsqGet "0" >< j Fi 'J BlsqGet "0" >< j Fi 'A BlsqGet "0" >< j Fi 'f BlsqGet "0" >< j Fi 'd BlsqGet "0" >< j Fi 's BlsqGet "0" >< j Fi 'i BlsqGet "0" >< j Fi 'b BlsqGet "0" >< j Fi 'E Bl
< 1421682832 678216 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... no
< 1421682848 668422 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) only works for a single "Token"
< 1421682852 359397 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1421682858 637476 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :){9} is the same thing as { {9} }m[
< 1421682875 117564 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which results in {9} being inserted between two elements)
< 1421682880 982620 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 10ro)9
< 1421682881 133547 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {9 1 9 2 9 3 9 4 9 5 9 6 9 7 9 8 9 9 9 10}
< 1421684029 283725 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1421684083 8832 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm not going to touch Burlesque ever again
< 1421684113 557783 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421684190 843583 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1421684207 826405 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: how often has this resolution failed to work out so far?
< 1421684262 895955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1421684273 484158 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Client Quit
< 1421684309 568891 :shikhin!~shikhin@120.57.231.229 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421684325 481581 :shikhin!~shikhin@120.57.231.229 QUIT :Changing host
< 1421684325 631851 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421684375 216272 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what resolution?
< 1421684391 759252 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the one to not touch Burlesque ever again
< 1421684413 701082 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never I guess
< 1421684429 820539 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No but seriously
< 1421684430 533358 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, must be a new thing then *ducks*
< 1421684445 671109 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chance of me committing suicide is WAY higher than me touching Burlesque ever again
< 1421684459 759971 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: never as in http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0081.html
< 1421684470 488391 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning on creating a successor for Burlesque once
< 1421684475 829613 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1421684482 839154 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can go with "once".
< 1421684517 357715 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sitting crying and anxious at my work desk right now anyway
< 1421684587 930858 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421684590 344418 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1421684627 521496 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? what's the problem?
< 1421684724 173104 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That something is seriously broken.
< 1421684729 568741 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with me.
< 1421684778 377602 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you like to talk about it in PM?
< 1421685023 636399 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman,  at any rate, I think everyone appreciatse having you here and I hope you feel better
< 1421685051 399903 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1421685208 405863 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421685704 114152 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421685747 152702 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PART #esoteric :"Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"
< 1421686042 900399 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421686058 85638 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'day all
< 1421686063 779726 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1421686073 151810 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitchs suggested here to me :-)
< 1421686182 122517 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE Jander 
< 1421686184 760407 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JaNdEr: WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: <hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/>. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.)
< 1421686185 481672 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty
< 1421686251 369138 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitchs suggested that my efforts to build a Lego EV3 based Brainf*ck interpreter may go down well here :-)
< 1421686273 532952 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're building it with hardware?
< 1421686277 199863 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda
< 1421686289 744154 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lke this yes
< 1421686301 552391 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program is on coloured paper tape and the I/O is done thro' an 8 bit register that is physical
< 1421686316 173593 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jander: how about the data tape?
< 1421686318 266270 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interpreter will be on the EV3 itself however.
< 1421686357 38772 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 colours on the paper tape - red/green/black/white/yellow/brown/blue/grey = < > - + , . [ ]
< 1421686397 237830 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :To end the program there will need to be an extraneous ] however.
< 1421686417 340253 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is kinda met if the tape runs out as it's grey blocks behind the tape :-)
< 1421686434 285492 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :common implementer's trick
< 1421686455 564061 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jander: why paper instead of colored lego bricks? is it easier to print?
< 1421686462 586567 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(read file, add ] at end, parse a ]-terminated block, and run)
< 1421686463 417600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jander: and where do you store the data tape?
< 1421686542 364755 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have enough different coloured bricks :-) And I fancied building a paper tape reader.
< 1421686573 674402 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are URLs okay in here ? I have a pic on G+ page.
< 1421686589 455672 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1421686595 717257 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :The memory is all internal, 256 bytes of 8 bit unsigned
< 1421686614 143804 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1421686621 345975 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421686645 34573 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://plus.google.com/photos/113373535180413523278/albums/6105388692419944513?authkey=CL2uopH9jZOkEQ
< 1421686669 775690 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the tape/
< 1421686670 656153 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1421686693 611812 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strips of A4 paper cut to the right size. I have no tape spools in this build.
< 1421686703 924599 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't work out a clean/neat way of doing it.
< 1421686704 575813 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is really cool :D
< 1421686735 935575 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :The I/O bits are on top - the grey toggles. They are all set to 0 in the pic. Bit 7 bottom left, bit 0 top right.
< 1421686765 561057 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :The arm on the tracks/rack is used to both sense the state for input and to push/pull them for output.
< 1421686800 137799 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've still to implement [ and ], but that should be done tonight.
< 1421686927 428722 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Videos of the I/O in operation:
< 1421686930 11901 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://plus.google.com/photos/113373535180413523278/albums/6103953155744183393?authkey=CL2wgq-Vq6TkhwE
< 1421687056 957666 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not BF running it btw - that was EV3 code doing the multiplication.
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< 1421688039 892014 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm growing to hate Codewars.
< 1421688549 881631 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right - I'll pop back tomorrow - hopefully with a working model if I get time this evening.
< 1421688561 986061 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PART #esoteric :"Ex-Chat"
< 1421688686 36959 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that, a web 2.0 version of sphere online judge?
< 1421688840 98259 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: It's in vaguely similar veins to that I suppose, to to HackerRank.
< 1421688917 940046 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes though, the test cases and descriptions feel like working an actual job: none of them seem to agree...
< 1421689114 604618 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1421689132 318143 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get specs that say one thing, tests that say another, and of course, there's two tiers of tests, the latter of which you can't see and often include requirements not mentioned in the basic tests or the description at all. 
< 1421689208 500088 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you said, that sounds very realistic
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< 1421689404 803591 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1421689556 361776 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: how does this do output?
< 1421689564 359983 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1421689565 720530 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1421689573 956326 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jander: how does this do the output?
< 1421689575 617583 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It doesn't; it handles things with tests instead.
< 1421689581 144099 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry.
< 1421690027 431180 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, Jander left, but for output the arm switches any bits that need to be switched and then a sound clip of "Okay" is played, then you need to press a button for the machine to continue processing (i think)
< 1421690035 3014 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :he explained it to me through PMs
< 1421690042 970433 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitchs: I See
< 1421690462 158040 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a black diviner, nice
< 1421691136 156334 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint atan2(-1,0)
< 1421691137 47410 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-1.5707963267949
< 1421691147 432076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint atan2(-1,-1e-9999)
< 1421691147 966532 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-1.5707963267949
< 1421691157 226675 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint atan2(-1,1e-9999)
< 1421691157 871564 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-1.5707963267949
< 1421691166 671218 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, args swapped
< 1421691172 82456 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421691174 966321 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint 1e-9999==0
< 1421691175 116839 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint atan2(1e-9999,-1)
< 1421691175 824232 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.14159265358979
< 1421691175 974622 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1
< 1421691179 384435 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint atan2(-1e-9999,-1)
< 1421691179 951841 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-3.14159265358979
< 1421691182 507060 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that
< 1421691203 486458 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint atan2(-0.0,-1) # does that work?
< 1421691204 105611 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-3.14159265358979
< 1421691251 10458 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint atan2(-0,-1)
< 1421691251 574943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.14159265358979
< 1421691260 523492 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: atan2 has a branch cut there, so it uses the sign of the zero to decide which branch it falls in
< 1421691265 58199 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1421691327 505918 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: "does that work" was meant in regard to perl's conformance to IEEE 754
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< 1421691391 263410 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't know if these transcendent functions are covered by IEEE 745, but this is certainly in its spirit and it's the right answer
< 1421691403 130803 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(namely, is -0.0 actually the negative zero)
< 1421691421 790225 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it is because the - isn't part of the literal but a separate operator, just like in C
< 1421691436 75712 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: underlying was the question why you'd express +0 as 1e-9999 and -0 as -1e-9999.
< 1421691454 388888 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e use O Deparse::; $_x=-0.0
< 1421691455 790753 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-e syntax OK \ $_x = -.0;
< 1421691470 60218 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e use O Deparse:: -p; $_x=-0.0
< 1421691470 788038 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error at -e line 1, near "Deparse:: -p" \ Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors.
< 1421691478 983169 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e use O Deparse=> -p; $_x=-0.0
< 1421691479 908571 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-e syntax OK \ $_x = -.0;
< 1421691500 319135 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's probably constant-folded before it gets to Deparse anyway
< 1421691546 141629 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show (-0.0) -- curious
< 1421691547 615754 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "-0.0"
< 1421691550 3741 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good.
< 1421691794 68884 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
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< 1421692224 478078 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint atan2("-0.0",-1)
< 1421692225 101254 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-3.14159265358979
< 1421692226 361035 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint atan2("-1e-9999",-1)
< 1421692227 280748 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-3.14159265358979
< 1421692231 510746 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint atan2("-0",-1)
< 1421692232 239528 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-3.14159265358979
< 1421692437 695412 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no good reason really. I'm just used to having to write infinity as 1e9999 in perl because perl is stupid and doesn't accept 1.0/0.0 on perl-builtin floats
< 1421692493 610758 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a "use float;" pragma to use ieee float arithmetic on builtin numbers, similar to "use integer;", so you don't have to use blessed number objects just to do sane arithmetic
< 1421692567 711679 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint (1.0/0.0)
< 1421692568 321363 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illegal division by zero at -e line 1.
< 1421692783 557710 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.72.140 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1421694101 45818 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The base (or salt?) I just chewed and swallowed succeeded in making my stomach feel weird, but not in making my esophagus feel better
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< 1421698922 254037 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :HoraceKnightley
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< 1421700382 628355 :oren!~oren@user3-211-26.wireless.utoronto.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421700423 611896 :oren!~oren@user3-211-26.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most samesteads of every firststuff are unabiding.
< 1421700513 260699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the uh
< 1421700514 564997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :germanic thing
< 1421700564 131659 :oren!~oren@user3-211-26.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dingdingding! "Uncleftish Beholding"
< 1421700692 299986 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:901e:2d58:22b2:8784 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421700798 176316 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:901e:2d58:22b2:8784 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1421700933 445271 :oren!~oren@user3-211-26.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there is a language that enforces hungarian notation
< 1421701085 311730 :h0rsep0wer!h0rsep0wer@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1421701248 667666 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to learn how to actually read scientific studies
< 1421701285 178089 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some pro-biotic company has apparently earned the favor of the LessWrong community. They're going to release a placebo-controlled study at the end of the month, I want to attempt to read it for myself to determine if it's garbage or not
< 1421701389 144725 :oren!~oren@user3-211-26.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't actually know what "pro-biotic" means.
< 1421701416 616002 :oren!~oren@user3-211-26.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :holdon while i consult the great web of the knowings
< 1421701437 771547 :h0rsep0wer!h0rsep0wer@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421701570 779379 :oren!~oren@user3-211-26.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pro biotics sounds like something that could work... but probably with side effects
< 1421701704 375570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :amateur biotics
< 1421702065 159723 :oren!~oren@user3-211-26.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xkcd.com/1471/
< 1421702169 668707 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1421702345 571497 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSleep
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< 1421702828 234039 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Huh.
< 1421702852 368688 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://hpmor.com/notes/progress-15-01-01/
< 1421702873 346528 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"General Biotics is a recent startup that is producing a pill-based probiotic that may help to replenish gut flora aka the intestinal microbiome.  They intend to donate 10% of profits to effective charities.  If you are currently unhappy with your digestive system, this is a quick way to test whether your gut microbes might be the cause.  (If you don’t have a current pain point but are interested in trying general improvements, you might 
< 1421702873 504516 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :want to wait for v2.)"
< 1421703177 68846 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judging by the stream of information on it, I suspect that probiotics are 5% useful and 95% bullshit.
< 1421703183 51584 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be exaggerating their utility.
< 1421703242 415406 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's necessarily a good sign that GB was supposed to release a study on the 15th, but delayed it
< 1421703309 693609 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would imagine it's quite helpful for a small portion of the population, and has a lot of associated bullshit
< 1421703393 817771 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1421703472 885183 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any tests that could be done on a person to determine whether or not it would be helpful?
< 1421703475 697980 :oren!~oren@user3-211-26.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The first commercially sold dairy-based probiotic was Yakult," -clicks on link-> "Official claims state that the name is derived from jaĥurto (with a circumflex over the h), an Esperanto word for "yogurt"."
< 1421703479 718837 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421703543 122125 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421703693 884343 :oren!~oren@user3-211-26.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Yakult is an English rendering of a Japanese rendering of an Esperanto word
< 1421703816 414583 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yacolt is also a town in Washington, whose name allegedly means haunted place in the language of one of the local tribes.
< 1421703880 418230 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes MealSquares aren't as wooish... although I don't think I would actually go ahead and replace all food with them
< 1421704069 429308 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :scientifically speaking my understanding is that save for certain very particular situations (such as having recently been subject to prolonged antibiotic treatments), probiotics are pretty much crap, and unlikely to make the slightest difference whatsoever.
< 1421704156 316541 :oren!~oren@user3-211-26.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This mealsquares thing looks good, although i don't see the need to put the orange juice in the square itself. Why not an oatmeal cookie-like thing with a glass of orange juice based drink on the side
< 1421704233 935190 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just ate a lot of unpasteurized yogurt when I last had need (spent a month on antibiotic treatments for pleuresy)
< 1421704334 816576 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421704380 218144 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: was on antibiotics recently :/
< 1421704382 979276 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Months ago)
< 1421704400 288651 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Months ago", biologically, is not recently.
< 1421704409 102960 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did find it took about a year or two for it to finally normalize.
< 1421704420 802247 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION too was on antibiotics recently
< 1421704430 461516 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I meant "ended regimin last week"
< 1421704471 629100 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: My initial impression is that MealSquares aren't *obvious* woo at least.
< 1421704497 239828 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still occasionally get horrifying gut cramps and other IBS fun, but it's got better over time
< 1421704499 646942 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And are probably loads less terrible than Soylent.
< 1421704506 843398 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most woonatic thing about MealSquares is that they clearly market to nutters.
< 1421704518 60936 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the fact that they MARKET to nutters doesn't mean that they're not themselves sound.
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< 1421704540 743710 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :That being said, humans are the most picky of all animals when it comes to food, so MealSquares seems doomed to failure.
< 1421704580 557448 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: Ugh, yeah, had levofloxacin like a year ago and my bowels aren't normal yet.
< 1421704602 476536 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking as a former cook, all these weird soylent-like products horrify me. :P
< 1421704613 439381 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nathanedwardwilliams.com/fun/monkeydiet.htm
< 1421704634 370670 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for those playing along at home, levofloxacin is one of those "hard core" antibiotics that actually has a demonstrable, absurd effect on intestinal flora)
< 1421704640 469453 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio
< 1421704649 211543 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: :P
< 1421704701 56145 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: MealSquares sounds appealing in concept to me
< 1421704708 111563 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this make me a nutter for hating food?
< 1421704724 861302 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: MealSquares appears to at least resemble food though, so there's at least that.
< 1421704739 301011 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The FAQ is full of "this food contains no ingredients that nutters find offensive because they're stupid"
< 1421704744 218418 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, I am quite certain it is possible to distill enough basic nutrients down into that form, but like ... why? At least get a good meal bar or something. 
< 1421704755 844629 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ That
< 1421704763 617402 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I remember the opposite
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< 1421704786 262241 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: Some people consider eating and food decisions a chore.
< 1421704807 305511 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, this: http://www.mealpack.com/
< 1421704810 660583 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No gluten, no wheat, "99% lactose free" whatever that means (so, what, it's 1% pure lactose? That's a lot).
< 1421704814 119289 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real people do have peanut allergies and celiac... although they say they're not necessarily suitable
< 1421704827 712262 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is lactose intolerant, but they say they put lactaid in it
< 1421704832 370761 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: eating is fun, deciding and cooking is the chore
< 1421704843 185214 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real people have celiac, but 99% of people who seek out gluten-free food are dipshits.
< 1421704849 882155 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ This.
< 1421704853 858922 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The other 1% have celiac)
< 1421704881 606590 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bear Valley bars are great, very thorough nutrition content, literally makes you feel like you've eaten a full-course meal, but still tastes something like actual food.
< 1421704891 662224 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer curry.
< 1421704898 461658 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm. curry.
< 1421704908 229214 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having a korma on Wed.
< 1421704918 66025 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"health benefits of non-gmo soy"?
< 1421704971 112021 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lulz at one thing here
< 1421704995 977953 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, it's still hippie shit, of course. But it's pretty good despite.
< 1421705017 692610 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MealSquares are being made of "whole foods". That is to say, they are trying really hard to avoid anything that's not derived from a plant or animal.
< 1421705018 415262 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's also a tiny company who've been around for years; I don't they ever used GMO anything to begin with)
< 1421705038 931927 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And strongly justifying anything they do use.
< 1421705059 170130 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: better than not using something that should be used, I guess
< 1421705074 415406 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm.
< 1421705080 863766 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I especially love how they're justifying the use of iodized salt.
< 1421705082 851897 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, salt is bad, MSG is fine.
< 1421705099 913733 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hah.
< 1421705141 996700 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I understand adding salt if this is the exclusively-eaten food. Is it as necessary if it isn't?
< 1421705143 820776 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though of course, MSG contrary to woo beliefs is actually utterly mundane.
< 1421705157 986526 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Probably depends on other dietary factors.
< 1421705180 835497 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of people probably get too *much* salt.
< 1421705184 323805 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Vitamin C powder: MealSquares include over 100% of the vitamin C RDA without any added supplementation. However, vitamin C is the most chemically fragile vitamin, being degraded by exposure to heat, light, or basic mediums. To be on the safe side, we've added a little extra. We hope you’ll agree that a little extra vitamin C is a good thing."
< 1421705191 752951 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. MSG is perhaps the single most overhyped ingredient of all. XD
< 1421705196 460083 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Vitamin C overdose possible?
< 1421705198 327792 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, if you're eating this exclusively you *better* have salt in it.
< 1421705199 866003 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know A is possible
< 1421705217 203708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are people who take astronomical doses of vitamin C
< 1421705220 751226 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody 50 years of ragging on poor MSG, even though it's been in 90% of processed food for at least as long as it's been identified.
< 1421705221 635953 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.. does this mean this might not be healthy if I eat it as a snack + other food as normal?
< 1421705236 275751 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vitamin C overdose is possible  but hard.
< 1421705247 731458 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Massive bombs of Vit-C basically does nothing. You just wee out the excess. 
< 1421705273 738123 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The major risk of too much vitamin C is indigestion and iron overdosing.
< 1421705274 656376 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those Emergen-C tablets are almost literally pissing money down the toilet. ;)
< 1421705296 194390 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(vitamin C is a bit rough on the stomach, especially on an empty stomach, and vitamin C increases iron absorption)
< 1421705339 595207 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah. If you have a little too much vitamin C it'll do basically nothing.
< 1421705361 765039 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: And it's just the salt of two nutrients.
< 1421705381 159406 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would buy these, but I need a fridge
< 1421705412 826895 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sodium + glutamic acid. Sodium is, of course, utterly essential, and glutamic acid is just a non-essential amino acid that you digest perfectly fine.)
< 1421705422 942228 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yup. You more or less make accidental MSG every time you cook soy sauce, meat, or mushrooms. 
< 1421705466 240483 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favorite thing is that MSG is like the ultimate of 'processed food ingredient' scary, but in every health store you'll find bottles of Bragg's Liquid Aminos, which is essentially just a big bottle of the stuff in tasty brown liquid form.
< 1421705558 278732 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, cause an amino acid concentrate from soybeans is *definitely* something worth doing.
< 1421705574 409662 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than just, y'know, soy sauce.
< 1421705622 291477 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I woonder if these taste good
< 1421705665 995923 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note for what it's worth that they're not crowing about the taste. :)
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< 1421705698 616626 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They kind of are "We really surprised ourselves when our prototypes turned out tasty; this was the point that we knew we had to share it with others"
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< 1421705766 811769 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like marketing speak for "surprisingly almost edible"
< 1421705799 633375 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you should try real food, it's pretty great
< 1421705819 672427 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pizza is real food, right?
< 1421705832 52725 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I eat steak sometimes
< 1421705865 743455 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are both real foods and part of real diets.
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< 1421706171 707470 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if he can order groceries online
< 1421706177 946388 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably in small quantities
< 1421706228 490055 :oren!~oren@65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can in Toronto with Grocery Gateway but it sucks
< 1421706265 290110 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will confess that grocery shopping is not a favorite.
< 1421706287 318428 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suffer from some kind of weird decision anxiety.
< 1421706287 471559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :online grocery shopping is very much a thing, yes
< 1421706336 694344 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: as far as I can tell, these things seem to have minimum orders
< 1421706338 372520 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sometimes a trip is easy as pie and I'm home in a flash, and sometimes I find myself wandering a store for hours while I spiral into guilt and shame and internal weeping.
< 1421706344 332449 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This site seems to be $30 minimum
< 1421706369 194929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you trying to buy that you can't pad out with other stuff you'll end up needing anyway to make $30...
< 1421706369 645068 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had a fridge, I might just buy a bunch of food or something
< 1421706379 559394 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I advise a fridge.
< 1421706442 386559 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't had pomegranates in probably over a decade, I want to try one
< 1421706587 912944 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're tasty, but a pain in the ass. 
< 1421706597 297904 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recommend just getting some pom juice.
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< 1421706903 379266 :oren!~oren@65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am designing a tonal programming language
< 1421706954 923058 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Work has a fridge. I could have MealSquares sent to work
< 1421706966 690284 :oren!~oren@65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tone will be indicated by varying the capitalization of the word  
< 1421707027 785573 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol "Teamwork OP"
< 1421707033 743017 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unworkable idea of the day: a flavor-based programming language, which code checks based on the taste preferences of the specific compiler installation used to build it.
< 1421707036 384314 :oren!~oren@65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. high tone KIN low tone kin, rising tone kiN falling tone KIn  
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< 1421707698 748786 :h0rsep0wer!h0rsep0wer@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: You can build an overtone language.
< 1421707712 64635 :h0rsep0wer!h0rsep0wer@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOooooOOOOOoooooOOOOOoooooOOO
< 1421707754 909976 :h0rsep0wer!h0rsep0wer@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fells totally retarded
< 1421707778 301011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
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< 1421707810 7427 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :h0rsep0wer: I used to be able to do that.
< 1421707817 815149 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably still could if I tried.
< 1421707837 193221 :h0rsep0wer!h0rsep0wer@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow! Nice!
< 1421707880 808554 :h0rsep0wer!h0rsep0wer@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the ones that don't know what it is: http://youtube.com/watch?v=VGbFB91eM34
< 1421707924 847966 :h0rsep0wer!h0rsep0wer@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues singing (OooooooooOOOooooOOOO)
< 1421707964 782444 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overtone singing is *hard*.
< 1421707974 861395 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've pulled it off, like, once.
< 1421708014 378245 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned Tuvan style from a friend, though I never practiced it much. It's really about hitting the right tone to get the nose whistling.
< 1421708166 389539 :h0rsep0wer!h0rsep0wer@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tuvan seems to be more subconscious.
< 1421708234 776140 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You basically start with a low drone, and kind of work the vibration up until you hit the sweet spot and then sure enough, in comes the nose whistle.
< 1421708263 581037 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it helped that I had experience doing that kind of tone because the friend and I used to do an act where we did the human bagpipes.
< 1421708328 142680 :h0rsep0wer!h0rsep0wer@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer PRIVMSG #esoteric :->> <J_Arcane> You basically start with a low drone, and kind of work the vibration up until you hit the sweet spot and then sure enough, in comes the nose whistle.
< 1421708350 448834 :h0rsep0wer!h0rsep0wer@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true, I tried it now. :D
< 1421708418 211619 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nonsense word I would sing to hit the zone was, essentially 'Ooowaaareeee' or somesuch like that (can't try it now, 1 in the morning here)
< 1421708434 348714 :h0rsep0wer!h0rsep0wer@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like ......ººººººººººººooooooooooooo0000000000000000OCCCCCCCCCCCCC
< 1421708506 809636 :h0rsep0wer!h0rsep0wer@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a good overtone teacher :D
< 1421708571 225503 :h0rsep0wer!h0rsep0wer@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooowaaareeeeeeeeeeeeouiooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuiooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
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< 1421708832 607543 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk what my language will be called but it looks retarded
< 1421708842 916646 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.72.140 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1421709403 218267 :nys!~nysnamovo@24.215.85.138 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421711731 816613 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp NICK :Zeoul
< 1421711743 616569 :Zeoul!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp NICK :Lilax
< 1421711755 535595 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahaha
< 1421711977 757910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421712220 971266 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :̈
< 1421712244 452221 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes weird noises... «ø̈ø̈ø̈ø̈ø̈»
< 1421712306 100947 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: what is a zeoul?
< 1421712323 790758 :oren!~oren@65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name of my language is rI Pui for the read and print verbs 
< 1421712339 325 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its I think
< 1421712344 325383 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :a demon
< 1421712383 337997 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/Q3Vduhb.png ?
< 1421712463 300681 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gasp
< 1421712520 836746 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp NICK :Zuriel
< 1421712534 371243 :Zuriel!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp NICK :Lilax
< 1421712537 941379 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1421712659 70161 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :embrace your demonic self. become one with the hellspawn. enjoy the company of Fungot.
< 1421712665 269826 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION saves picture
< 1421712672 379891 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuu not fungot
< 1421712673 116410 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: ' then fur ahead where bishop's brook goes under the whole city in a green valley, where the vast gleaming dome and fnord ionic columns of the christian science church beckoned northward. then eight squares past the fine old residence streets broad, washington, lafayette, and adams streets. though these stately old avenues. were fnord and his speech was very curious, an extreme form of yankee dialect i had thought.
< 1421712679 496008 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy
< 1421712690 568490 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not holy, boily :D
< 1421712707 875812 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ESSA
< 1421712712 187840 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ESSA
< 1421712712 516412 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSA 192350Z 03008KT 9999 SCT023 BKN029 M03/M03 Q1023 R01L/910556 R08/910560 R01R/720144 TEMPO BKN012
< 1421712734 655028 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should remetasepify the channel one day...
< 1421712734 805538 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0 punny
< 1421712746 627903 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1421712747 103661 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 200000Z 26015G24KT 15SM FEW030 FEW070 FEW240 M07/M11 A2977 RMK SC1AC1CI2 SC TR AC TR SLP083
< 1421712748 142014 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that mean?
< 1421712760 344199 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :current weather for airplane pilots.
< 1421712786 545216 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the other thing
< 1421712793 500275 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :remetasepify?
< 1421712797 831249 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :sory
< 1421712800 687809 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a bot. it was called metasepia.
< 1421712801 117064 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll see, in due time
< 1421712801 267504 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry*
< 1421712811 532089 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1421712811 736769 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or now, apparently)
< 1421712817 774931 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thas scary
< 1421712822 949728 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Second Coming is Nigh! (meaning some time this year, probably.)
< 1421712845 440084 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with that, I'm hungry. time to pilfer a pizza or two...
< 1421712854 341551 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CALLABLE CHICKEN
< 1421712875 905176 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are so lucky
< 1421712886 365468 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I could pilfer a pizza
< 1421712896 118189 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I design and implement a multi-language function database without choosing a programming language?
< 1421713971 364469 :h0rsep0wer!h0rsep0wer@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1421714021 706321 :oren!~oren@65.94.96.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: what do you mean a "function database"
< 1421714071 633134 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :a database that has multiple functions
< 1421714099 896795 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: something maybe half-way between http://rosettacode.org and http://www.krugle.com
< 1421714112 564253 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a database that has multiple functions for different languages
< 1421714118 713786 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk
< 1421714121 338111 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: yes
< 1421714132 473800 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :yas
< 1421714204 979129 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard of krugle before
< 1421714220 335309 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rosettacode is good at the "narrative", but krugle is good at describing existing software
< 1421714224 545092 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1421714253 985283 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: krugle and code.google.com are about the same, they provide keyword search of a large gamut of software projects
< 1421714264 72152 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think github might also provide an inter-project search
< 1421714283 745295 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1421714288 609789 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye I see
< 1421714323 344659 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, there are hundreds of implemenations of itoa()
< 1421714348 810306 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of using arch again
< 1421714349 177492 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're all a bit different, there should be one entry on that, like rosettacode, with references to each project/file
< 1421714359 485628 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1421714403 331015 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're not always called "itoa", sometimes they're called "int_to_str", so keyword search sucks on that
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< 1421717526 51344 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put esoteric before every thing
< 1421718015 63451 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421718231 920028 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1421718971 238683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421719103 964731 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:901e:2d58:22b2:8784 NICK :^v
< 1421719402 558085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hi
< 1421719593 879586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do you think of goldfire's suggestions on 9858
< 1421719635 999287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he probably put a "not" where he didn't mean to
< 1421719736 465227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just hoping that adding kind information to typerefs won't give too much trouble
< 1421719743 384951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*p
< 1421719831 305588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, maybe i'm misreading him
< 1421719841 946178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just wants the kinds in a slightly different place
< 1421720160 966548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421720433 617685 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1421720546 455943 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421721413 735432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't want explicit kind information but implicit kind information just because things are parameterized on kinds
< 1421721423 477994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :only in the polykinded case
< 1421721579 974859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in particular you'd still need to disambiguate T and 'T
< 1421721639 571545 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1421721809 826270 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric : "everytime you go to sleep you die, And someone else wakes up in your body thinking they are you"
< 1421722023 250181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: have you been readin SMBC
< 1421722027 164562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reading
< 1421722047 759887 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1421722055 673218 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :readin'
< 1421722056 318058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a comic like that
< 1421722074 766397 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said it in a southern accent oerjan 
< 1421722084 172310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if y'all say so
< 1421722095 75827 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1421722102 260942 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421722113 395612 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes no sense only one person said it
< 1421722138 13060 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421722143 624688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i've heard there are accents so southern that y'all is singular and you need to say y'all y'all for the plural
< 1421722264 587608 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1421722305 90284 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:901e:2d58:22b2:8784 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1421722563 110561 :^v!~^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421722722 485742 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm?
< 1421722731 120773 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was born in teh south
< 1421722737 470862 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what its like
< 1421722749 717397 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or atleast my family said y'all as plural
< 1421722759 81214 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :And regular you there for singular
< 1421723023 266741 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1421723409 415464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: i didn't say _all_ southerners did that, just that i've heard rumors of some who do
< 1421723433 946151 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's rumors in Norway?
< 1421723439 692579 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are**
< 1421723446 556636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i probably read it on the internet hth
< 1421723454 600990 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazing
< 1421723458 320821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably way back in the 90s, too)
< 1421723461 808928 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omfg
< 1421723477 682839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe those hillbillies died out in the meantime
< 1421723486 150608 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old people are cool
< 1421723495 506606 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :they know things
< 1421723505 454286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why thanks
< 1421723514 945902 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw
< 1421723524 65956 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean Middle aged
< 1421723533 128722 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in perspective to 16
< 1421723555 132284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves his Middle Ages halberd at Lilax 
< 1421723562 862834 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :44 :0 Gasp that means you lived in the 80's
< 1421723568 60984 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool!
< 1421723581 698367 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard that there are no rumors on IRC
< 1421723601 845376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GASP*
< 1421723639 345006 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my
< 1421723708 133603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard that you can beat the 7s master bot these days
< 1421723791 430912 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If by you you mean the general you, sure
< 1421723799 503365 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The specific you meaning me cannot as far as me knows
< 1421723802 236866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you
< 1421723841 684599 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be true, but I haven't ever checked
< 1421723892 686264 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :7s master bot?
< 1421723895 266351 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that
< 1421723934 62446 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prismata AI bot that takes 7 seconds to think, I think
< 1421723952 395747 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast
< 1421723963 810721 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda
< 1421723982 911345 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the other setting for Master Bot is 5s I think
< 1421724005 207036 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421724023 96125 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi augur
< 1421724169 947297 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was Norway like in the 80's
< 1421724175 49779 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still cold?
< 1421724634 802512 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o mai
< 1421724653 982960 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a strange place to find myself mentioned
< 1421724698 535740 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of norway, norwegian beer nørge ø id kind of too smokey fmy tastes
< 1421725014 470979 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1421725597 321465 :nys!~nysnamovo@24.215.85.138 QUIT :Quit: s
< 1421725664 405943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: i vaguely recall the 80s had a lot of rain and snowstorms hth
< 1421725690 830378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes at the same time.
< 1421725745 263319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i had to go uphill to school, both ways.
< 1421725750 595941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the hill was in the middle)
< 1421725837 124133 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone recommend a cheap 5.1 system with rear wireless
< 1421725853 759 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1421725872 386340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: sometimes it's _so_ nice to be completely unqualified to answer.
< 1421725905 501809 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 NICK :MDream
< 1421725924 406360 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone recommend a cheap 5.1 system with rear wireless
< 1421725932 330966 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1421725949 348409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo sometimes it's _so_ nice to be completely unqualified to answer.
< 1421725949 498966 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it's _so_ nice to be completely unqualified to answer. sometimes it's _so_ nice to be completely unqualified to answer.
< 1421725982 591891 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1421726005 781909 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1421726007 658927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: CAN YOU READ THIS
< 1421726022 979611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my hunch is no)
< 1421726049 734812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ping is fine
< 1421726172 693538 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1421726191 483554 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just scrolled up. all the way to the top
< 1421726191 728164 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get six cheap systems, cut of nine tenths of one and stick a wireless router on the back.
< 1421726198 78845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1421726222 878237 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cut off
< 1421726236 779937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: mystery solved
< 1421726239 41617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDream helpful
< 1421726247 602309 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan hit me with the pan pls
< 1421726255 698862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if only it was that easy
< 1421726266 32094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: why, i though MDream deserved it more
< 1421726269 394812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+t
< 1421726284 69024 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was bejng dumb i think
< 1421726302 639688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't i deserve it a little bit
< 1421726313 197857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: extremely hth
< 1421726329 513933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, i found a bug: "deriving instance Typeable (GHC.Prim.*)" wants you to turn on NullaryTypeClasses
< 1421726357 255708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we go with goldfire's suggestion, all the kinds will have to get Typeable instances, or something
< 1421726357 528060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait * is an actual identifier now?
< 1421726375 91332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :* has been a kind for a while hth
< 1421726392 824986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah i just didn't know it counted as an identifier
< 1421726400 750327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you need parentheses here
< 1421726405 412743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought it was too special
< 1421726406 14953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of a bizarre syntax edge case
< 1421726419 20178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but _can_ you make typeclass instances for kinds alone?
< 1421726433 33531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my vague thought was you'd need to at least wrap it in Proxy
< 1421726435 28637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better, GHC.TypeLits exports a * for Nat multiplication
< 1421726458 666147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k! 2 GHC.TypeLits.* 3
< 1421726476 705051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...they're going to have to find a better system for those syntax distinctions.
< 1421726493 786559 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scoping has always worked before
< 1421726522 581776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's vaguely irritating that they chose to have (==) be the thing :: k -> k -> Bool rather and used (:~:) for type equality
< 1421726533 889470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, (==) doesn't exist yet, but it presumably will
< 1421726540 590990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it still impossible in head to use (,) prefix, when of kind Constraint -> Constraint -> Constraint ?
< 1421726548 61163 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh ;~;
< 1421726598 75206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it
< 1421726606 565617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can define type P (a::Constraint) b = (a,b) and use P prefix?
< 1421726649 971779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: perhaps they named :~: before they decided to allow type constructor operators not to start with : ?
< 1421726667 657541 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1421726683 258888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can you?  and if so, can you make instances for it?
< 1421726703 849268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there was a mailing list argument about it before Data.Typeable with (:~:) was released
< 1421726714 449792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is related to an old SO question
< 1421726717 647372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but someone really wanted to reserve (==) for Bool
< 1421726726 263283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sort of makes sense, i suppose, give that (<=) and so on exist
< 1421726730 561524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still. (:~:) is awful
< 1421726825 214780 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421726908 109392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh i hate when i click to focus and there's accidentally a link there
< 1421727127 144883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph cannot find it, oh well
< 1421728414 235341 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone redirect me to a channel about physics and stuff
< 1421730229 405866 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric : ん
< 1421730235 555047 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.77.64 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421730313 869140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: did you learn prismata
< 1421730412 361488 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.77.64 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did the first 3 tutorials before my laptop started overheating.
< 1421730424 820638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it uses 100% cpu on linux flash for some reason
< 1421730464 156015 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.77.64 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty greedy for what's essentially a card game.
< 1421730544 478487 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.77.64 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might give it another go at a later date, try it with another browser.
< 1421730698 272150 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1421730701 376457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ん
< 1421730714 690994 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+3093 HIRAGANA LETTER N]
< 1421730737 325054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, no syllable?
< 1421730762 295202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess n is syllable-final
< 1421730802 733120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still a what's-it-called hth
< 1421730804 875860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :on
< 1421730865 607497 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes me sad that there is no halfwidth ん
< 1421730927 53318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no halfwidth hiragana in Unicode, only katakana can be half
< 1421730971 768833 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oksszpnopuspsqwa JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421730998 947376 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :elephants are the Canadians of the animal world
< 1421731012 396785 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1421731023 242921 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: How is that?
< 1421731038 850434 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mystery*
< 1421731066 200755 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both give you donuts
< 1421731133 925657 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://m.imgur.com/3KOwIGe
< 1421731136 751061 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1421731264 814760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: mora?
< 1421731283 401498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1421732741 267939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo <Sgeo> If I had a fridge, I might just buy a bunch of food or something <-- getting by without a fridge in modern society sounds _horribly_ awkward.
< 1421732741 457939 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1421732778 283168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(before modern society, everything was horribly awkward regardless)
< 1421732984 498319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo by which i mean, unless you're poor as dirt, get one for heaven's sake.
< 1421732984 685717 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1421733160 171381 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it would be horribly awkward to get it in here and find space for it. This place is gross
< 1421733167 727138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1421733179 963928 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't let other people in here
< 1421733207 1079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd advice you to get a better place to live, but then we're getting into territory i cannot manage myself...
< 1421733218 798823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s
< 1421733283 785398 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to get a professional cleaner in here
< 1421733359 621192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you cannot fit them, right?
< 1421733376 604899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs away
< 1421733384 498224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: please advise me to get a better place to live twh
< 1421733389 395439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. a place with a window
< 1421733398 49788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: get a better place to live hth
< 1421733410 420263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh hth
< 1421733416 583697 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't want to move away from people who recognize me when I eat there everyday
< 1421733418 231906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but first i need to figure out where i'm going to live
< 1421733420 64263 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.>
< 1421733435 790681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hey i resemble that remark
< 1421733497 918824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact they're probably worried because i haven't been there since saturday
< 1421733530 533628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my sleeping schedule has been going through that phase where i wake up after they close)
< 1421733550 722760 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that the places close helps keep my sleep schedule resembling some sort of normality
< 1421733560 679919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1421733580 533408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, my body insists too strongly on the wrong day length for that to work
< 1421733615 760790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it does help slow the drift down in parts of the cycle
< 1421733686 203364 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is one puzzle in this Magic: the Puzzling that involves figuring out the play from one board situation to the next one, assuming that it isn't just a lucky Mana Clash, and assuming it is a Fourth Edition Highlander game.
< 1421733780 563805 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could figure out because I have a book with all of the cards up to 1996.
< 1421733892 523479 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If I could give this fridge zero stars I would. I am a college student so I needed a small fridge for my room. The milk went bad after 4 days, which is record time. Everything was extremely warm, I think it would have been better to leave my stuff outside in room temperature. I wasn't expecting the fridge to be this bad, specially cuz is $100. So make yourself a favor and DON'T buy this piece of crap."
< 1421733957 493709 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much should I blindly trust Amazon reviews?
< 1421733966 226463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely hth
< 1421734090 764496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never blindly trust anyone
< 1421734109 33108 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just bought towels based on Amazon reviews. Maybe the towels aren't as great as suggested, but towels can't kill me or anything, right?
< 1421734110 714550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless their name is zzo38
< 1421734131 940040 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I do need new towels
< 1421734136 839481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2833074/Forget-door-handles-toilet-seats-germ-infested-objects-home-TOWELS.html
< 1421734140 461864 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my current towels are dead.
< 1421734143 309826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :blindly trust the daily mail
< 1421734147 190994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should at least read it first!
< 1421734185 223586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/understanding-stds-basics also tells you to be wary of towels
< 1421734188 421142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szc8xHtlCS8 hth
< 1421734223 699586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's link is much better
< 1421734225 962370 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the towel was going to tilt the chair over
< 1421734528 27177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that short story where there were aliens that looked to each person like the thing they'd least like to be in contact with?
< 1421734545 901561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they looked like a bar of soap, or a razor, or alcohol
< 1421734651 530120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, http://www.gutenberg.org/files/29601/29601-h/29601-h.htm
< 1421734666 292337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember that but i remember something like the opposite, an alien which trapped people by taking the form they wanted to get in contect with.
< 1421734686 447471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was in the book "50 Short Science Fiction Tales"
< 1421734700 960184 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-523
< 1421734702 677183 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1421734704 842478 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah
< 1421734715 878703 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-523
< 1421734799 304132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not what i read
< 1421734799 478908 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are probably similar SCPs
< 1421734807 789559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it was an SCP
< 1421734822 358107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i probably only read a description of the story, not the story itself.
< 1421734842 884998 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably sleep
< 1421734859 59337 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took sleepy medicine that is really anti-anxiety but was prescirbed for sleepytie
< 1421734873 437095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway they met it in a jungle or something, and its trap was foiled by the people realizing how unlikely it was to find an ice cream bar there, or something like that.
< 1421735069 711596 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Describe your self with an SCP
< 1421735108 78935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/50918/story-id-astronaut-is-freed-from-mind-parasite-when-he-leaves-earths-gravity-w is another story i remember from that book
< 1421735190 692438 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :omfg
< 1421735195 921226 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :that scp is horrible
< 1421735449 742689 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421735612 419407 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeIAmA/comments/1wdup0/explain_the_doctor_like_iama_the_scp_foundation/cf1543u
< 1421735822 686394 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning
< 1421736925 639246 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.77.64 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1421737484 989640 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1421739188 44731 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services
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< 1421739358 66191 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a street in Arizona
< 1421739363 667262 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Called Bucket of Blood
< 1421739384 796109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a house in New Orleans
< 1421739394 510216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :They call the Rising Sun
< 1421739441 775882 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did not just..
< 1421739456 132164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i did
< 1421739481 614321 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :God dammit, lol
< 1421739555 611561 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :h i all
< 1421739558 426159 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :bored
< 1421739572 400940 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delete you OS
< 1421739575 810973 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :and go outside
< 1421739583 818340 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of wnat to write a blog post about the lambdabot exploti
< 1421739592 941615 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that
< 1421739594 808751 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about it but there wasn't too much to say
< 1421739607 327291 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say lambdabot broke
< 1421739616 669706 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that no one fixed it
< 1421739626 134796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's sandboxed now
< 1421739632 880768 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye
< 1421739663 230145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just not obvious how to fix it otherwise without disabling too many features
< 1421739682 830156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :until a real bugfix for ghc comes out
< 1421739694 956942 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty intereting bug
< 1421739729 308029 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if just removing IO would fix thi
< 1421739731 886358 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :from lambdabot
< 1421739739 57507 :Qfwfq!~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving PRIVMSG #esoteric :PoC please
< 1421739758 781522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: doubtful, with unsafeCoerce you can probably do code injection
< 1421739774 873537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if IO is easier
< 1421739787 471421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qfwfq: what
< 1421739801 240221 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan posted a poc before
< 1421739813 923868 :Qfwfq!~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION consults scrollback
< 1421739820 736925 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasnt' today
< 1421739822 380515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oerjan.nvg.org/lbexploits
< 1421739831 865899 :Qfwfq!~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks.
< 1421739849 33021 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC bug 10000 is relevant
< 1421739870 195989 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :still pretry broken
< 1421739876 279015 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty*
< 1421739885 520119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one numbered 4 is the last one
< 1421739891 935964 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1421739904 860741 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :.org?
< 1421739915 866403 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjanization
< 1421739930 80188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a 4?
< 1421739933 3359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: nvg.org is basically an alias for nvg.ntnu.no
< 1421739941 240926 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1421739945 398986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well i just removed a function that was unused from 3
< 1421739952 855496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er type
< 1421739955 446903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1421739958 676752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not call that 3?
< 1421739972 677128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i didn't want to change a file i'd already linked
< 1421739975 342524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You renamed e to e' without changing the version number.
< 1421739983 173326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you
< 1421739983 416886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok
< 1421739990 365596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably did
< 1421740008 808900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should switch to NOINLINE rather than munge imo
< 1421740019 298069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1421740032 126108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably would even with with -O2 that way
< 1421740050 889352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you should do the type PX = Proxy (Proxy :: * -> *); type PY = Proxy (Proxy :: (* -> *) -> *) thing for clarity
< 1421740095 701577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm let's do that and change Exploit4.hs to it
< 1421740097 684341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it that failed exactly that NOINLINE and -O2 and those other things to fix it?
< 1421740113 363041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you should make it work without TypeFamilies hth
< 1421740115 293221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ghc did some strange inlining so it crashed instead
< 1421740137 448100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sometimes printed a completely unrelated number
< 1421740154 261524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should report and/or fix the bug though
< 1421740164 528481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that it's a bug.
< 1421740203 980258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only happens in a case where you have an equality witness for unequal types.
< 1421740270 639236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you have an equality witness for unequal types? I looked at your file but it doesn't seem to explain everything
< 1421740277 618336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so ghc may be doing an entirely sane assumption that just breaks because we're already doing an insane exploit
< 1421740295 477934 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, making it NOINLINE works even under O2
< 1421740309 80080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas munge doesn't work when compiling with ghc even with O0
< 1421740330 919040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't think you can turn NOINLINE off, and relying on it would be silly anyway.
< 1421740357 327583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now Exploit4.hs has been updated to a cleaner version
< 1421740360 237542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Proxy (Proxy :: * -> *) and Proxy (Proxy :: (* -> *) -> *) are unequal types (because they have unequal kinds) but they have equal TypeReps.
< 1421740392 806753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it seem it probably is a bug if they have equal TypeReps despite that.
< 1421740401 448801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's GHC bug 9858
< 1421740410 539117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and also 10000 but that's a duplicate :'( )
< 1421740428 77324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's exactly either, because the types used are different
< 1421740436 428453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's been reported in the comments there
< 1421740442 952746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not exactly either
< 1421740460 724684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes.
< 1421740465 950327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bug includes its comments.
< 1421740468 957756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's two slightly different bugs that can be used for the same purpose
< 1421740484 239262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :goldfire wants to give them two different fixes, too.
< 1421740487 913065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: _maybe_, they sometimes ask you to make a new one...
< 1421740524 290560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think in _principle_ you could give a common fix, but that would require including kind information even for monokind typereps
< 1421740540 430978 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was the first coder
< 1421740541 274950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think goldfire's proposal isn't unreasonable.
< 1421740551 397616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: lady Ada Lovelace hth
< 1421740572 875197 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a pokemon
< 1421740578 479401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think we'll just have to wait and see how it actually works
< 1421740592 37946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what's the easiest way to do damage if you don't have any IO things in scope?
< 1421740601 980365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: what, are you insulting her
< 1421740608 181785 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1421740610 616878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that easy to just make a ByteString with code that you can jump into, is it?
< 1421740614 393662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well we already know how to crash ghc without it...
< 1421740617 660637 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-;
< 1421740623 20993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crash GHC, sure, but not arbitrary code.
< 1421740629 582024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing I have seen NOINLINE sometimes used for is to make up global variables, and I hate that, because I know another way.
< 1421740637 539714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What's the another way?
< 1421740663 287862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well you still have to evade w/e page protection...
< 1421740664 34214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: vaguely surprised that you don't need TypeSynonymInstances for that type instance, actually
< 1421740676 566058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, a string literal won't be in writable memory
< 1421740681 156485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's not a problem
< 1421740698 350881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or maybe it would be a problem)
< 1421740701 367165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i was too, but maybe it's because it's only an argument, not the actual datatype instanced
< 1421740718 960734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would it mean for it to be the actual datatype instance
< 1421740719 440626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One way is for main to hold a value of a "extensible product" type; modules that don't know each other can add fields to it as long as they know the module providing the record type to use.
< 1421740733 597982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: type G = F etc. ...
< 1421740762 481256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TSI lets you do instance K A where type F A = ..., where A is a synonym
< 1421740766 724912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this looks like the same sort of thing
< 1421740768 405264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1421740784 846931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the syntax of Haskell is a bit long to make label types out of, since you both have to define the datatype, the deriving clauses, and any instances
< 1421740829 954453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Another way is JHC's ACIO. Do you like that way?
< 1421740854 369171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what is that way
< 1421740878 619644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://repetae.net/repos/jhc/lib/jhc/Jhc/ACIO.hs
< 1421740882 251148 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess it probably would be better than using NOINLINE and unsafePerformIO
< 1421740966 451524 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to use a different haskell compiler than GHC
< 1421740966 602298 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :there arnet many though :(
< 1421740966 602510 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the one I tried didn't work
< 1421741031 998154 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it seems better than the NOINLINE and unsafePerformIO way, it still seem worse to me than the way I have made up, however the way I have made up has its own problems too.
< 1421741184 955549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there is a package providing such an extensible product, although it presumably uses NOINLINE and unsafePerformIO internally
< 1421741246 266516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although my memory is too vague
< 1421741312 533173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is one I have written although it doesn't use NOINLINE or unsafePerformIO internally (but it does use unsafeCoerce)
< 1421741338 591619 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a proof it cant be done in haskell
< 1421741348 777785 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :without unsafe
< 1421741393 357563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1421741400 924367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume so
< 1421741420 595747 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's simiilar to ST
< 1421741421 695356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot make a top level value that depends on the result of an IO action
< 1421741429 694508 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can't implement a pure version of ST wihour unsafe
< 1421741473 186757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: yeah it requires dependent typing
< 1421741506 31018 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its interesting that it takes deptypes but has a pure, system F typed interface
< 1421741683 168054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know it is possible to run Java programs on a Apple II computer? Apparently it is possible.
< 1421741701 975592 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
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< 1421742314 672308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, it's easy enough to get a jump to an arbitrary address
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< 1421742373 581592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION leaves this investigation to people understanding more low-level stuff
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< 1421742699 566232 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1421742704 920352 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haojeegjqlrgtklp PRIVMSG #esoteric :o/
< 1421743837 410588 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1421743892 863265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas!
< 1421743901 198820 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah hah. http://programming-motherfucker.com/
< 1421743916 365325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: thanks for linking that cstheory question the other day
< 1421743922 916870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i snagged the bounty!
< 1421743933 8356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(didn't completely solve the problem, though)
< 1421743939 28159 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen you've given a partial answer
< 1421743956 530889 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also maybe we should point ais523 there as well)
< 1421743974 326162 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ca i see the link?
< 1421744016 653777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/questions/21525/conjecture-about-two-counters-automata
< 1421744028 379649 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/q/21525/8067 
< 1421744030 328973 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(slow)
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< 1421745570 73278 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning
< 1421745577 418419 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: Is that sfw? @programming-motherfucker
< 1421745592 83655 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: nothing more than some strong language.
< 1421745659 278945 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning
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< 1421748022 651449 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morning all
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< 1421761614 904924 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Quantum Dimensions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41704&oldid=41604 5* 03TomPN 5* (+18) 10/* Setup */
< 1421761619 560426 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/designs/d2/
< 1421761627 257830 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is actually probably the most clean design a website can have
< 1421761632 131951 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Quantum Dimensions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41705&oldid=41704 5* 03TomPN 5* (-1) 10/* Qubits */
< 1421761806 896545 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it looks good on smartphone
< 1421761815 200936 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can be read on my smartphone without using zoom
< 1421761851 318883 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I could say that about professional websites made by professional web designers asking for thousands bucks
< 1421761952 436876 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Quantum Dimensions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41706&oldid=41705 5* 03TomPN 5* (+74) 10/* Setup */
< 1421762066 613762 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some are pretty much unviewable on smartphones without zooming 
< 1421762084 514370 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the ads get in the way of pretty much anything
< 1421762116 620506 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :frankly my favorite web design I ever did was some old rubbish in bare HTML I wrote when I was barely out of high school.
< 1421762330 386172 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Websites for smartphones should be designed for <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1">
< 1421762359 838138 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fuck everybody who does shitty things like body { font-size: 12pt; }
< 1421762360 752718 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1421762398 278844 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although I did that in the past. But I notice know how much that sucks)
< 1421762426 157498 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That site didn't even have CSS. :D
< 1421762544 393834 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/noos/ is probably one of my first designs
< 1421762873 51340 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1421762876 881876 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the second page I ever did. http://web.archive.org/web/20070630035631/http://hedgames.netfirms.com/
< 1421762894 541967 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first was a garish GeoCities monstrosity which has been blissfully lost.
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< 1421763387 198330 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My most recent site design is not visible anywhere, because I can't be arsed to pay for hosting for what is little more than a gag app.
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< 1421773088 57042 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1421773127 268875 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you take f(x)=x^2 and you calculate the difference g(x)=f(x+1)-f(x)
< 1421773136 668936 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then h(x)=g(x+1)-g(x)
< 1421773143 544095 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll reach h(x)=2
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< 1421773213 257669 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1421773217 911218 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is the same as derive(derive(f)) )
< 1421773233 339291 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, 2^x
< 1421773257 171467 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^(x+1) - 2^x = 2^x
< 1421773260 991417 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you end up at f again
< 1421773278 581382 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. for f(x)=2^x -> g(x)=f(x+1)-f(x)=f(x)
< 1421773373 788245 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421773379 181136 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the real reason computer scientists use base-2 logarithms
< 1421773381 376842 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does this tell me o_O
< 1421773439 236791 :jbkcc!~jbkcc@17.114.219.63 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421773496 20870 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mathworld.wolfram.com/FiniteDifference.html
< 1421773509 505589 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it says that 2 is for finite differences what e is for differentiation
< 1421773539 510077 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, for the forward difference at least)
< 1421773932 516666 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421774175 782541 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1421774180 597800 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for x^2 it ends up at 2
< 1421774183 529482 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^3 at 6
< 1421774187 652421 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x^4 at 24
< 1421774193 461333 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which somehow looks like factorial numbers
< 1421774221 136136 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right
< 1421774269 102288 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x+1)^k - x^k = k*x^(k-1) + O(x^(k-2))
< 1421774797 23296 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1,14,36,24
< 1421774799 179268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Triangle of numbers T(n,k) = k!*Stirling2(n,k) read by rows (n >= 1, 1 <= k ...
< 1421774841 781641 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right again
< 1421774857 778231 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but this is bad
< 1421774866 903185 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I remember from my courses there's no way to calculate Stirling numbers
< 1421774880 300060 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :directly
< 1421774886 803233 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a closed formula
< 1421774920 323238 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(d/dx)^n x^n = n!
< 1421774992 801395 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Stirling recurrence is quite nice for computers.
< 1421775062 670233 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the mathematicians have done what they usually do when they encounter a function that's useful but has no closed formula: they introduced a notation for it.
< 1421775325 109398 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you need a closed formula to calculate things
< 1421775457 975977 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because
< 1421775458 902878 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1421775464 843715 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's mod complex numbers o_O
< 1421775609 805058 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh mroman will discover Galois theory next!
< 1421775615 607282 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should study galois theory
< 1421775620 119377 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1421775621 131426 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1421775643 354714 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1421775784 710283 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad there's no money in that
< 1421775857 376685 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the contrary, you can gain many galois connections
< 1421775966 953365 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a math joke?
< 1421775975 941075 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hewglifnpllrkcxu NICK :ocharles
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< 1421775987 665245 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, http://galois.com/ is a serious company and a math insider joke
< 1421776032 569415 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they seemed to have lost their "connections" though)
< 1421776138 325705 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They're also kind of frightening. Their job advertisements usually require that people be able to acquire a security clearance in the US)
< 1421776167 177840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do military stuff
< 1421776179 697866 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I said, frightening.
< 1421776182 543719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1421776199 54872 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any ethical application of functional programming? ;-)
< 1421776218 446684 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1421776226 496711 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it violates at least two of the Geneva Conventions
< 1421776227 424332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes the "serious international side-effects" unsafePerformIO fireMissiles jokes less funny :(
< 1421776234 911382 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Military doesn't qualify, and neither do banks.)
< 1421776337 142693 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I propose renaming unsafePerformIO to sudo
< 1421776378 760985 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, automatically recording boards lead to some weird effects when games end...
< 1421776397 785990 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 Kxf3 exf3 ... where'd the King go?!
< 1421776487 632043 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm assuming the players started some reviewing right there)
< 1421776540 938769 :Lymia!~fujoshi@172.56.7.207 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1421776613 382286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Where does that come from?
< 1421776663 140084 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://2700chess.com/live - it was the Caruana-Yifan game, but it's already been corrected.
< 1421776667 767041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how is the board automatically recorded?
< 1421776673 612273 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :magnets
< 1421776688 495599 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think)
< 1421776796 720663 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-167.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yifan accepted a draw when she has mate in 11?
< 1421776865 39188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is there enough time?
< 1421776957 247783 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-167.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops; was watching a side-variation apparently
< 1421777089 299800 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421777245 525120 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Modern, reliable sensor technology recognizes each piece accurately and fast." -- they could be using some RFID technology.
< 1421777323 744981 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421778084 234078 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the main reason they need security clearance is so that they can get contracts that require them to have security clearance
< 1421778094 826741 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iknow
< 1421778192 688902 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@prg-3-106.static.adsl.vodafone.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421778481 134490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e., military contracts)
< 1421778525 877398 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SMACCMPilot is an embedded systems software research project where we are building open-source autopilot software for small unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) using new high-assurance software methods."
< 1421778533 467674 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That kinda thing might have sometihng to do with it.
< 1421778670 581947 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1421779299 593102 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 NICK :MDude
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< 1421780010 332034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I know a structural engineer back in Finland who really wants a job at Boeing, and the whole security clearance (exclusive to US citizens?) thing makes many of their positions not applicable.
< 1421780157 21661 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421780187 183268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard of people who aren't US citizens getting a job at Boeing though
< 1421780310 477536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all of their jobs require a security clearance. But many do. Or so I've heard.
< 1421780435 133937 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
< 1421780697 280095 :S1!~S1@p4FF920E1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421781000 662972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it depends on how closely in the job you would be involved with their projects done for the military? 
< 1421781517 89096 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1421782442 202499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"~'s owner controls you."
< 1421782533 594726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear even US citizens who are citizens of other countries have trouble with it.
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< 1421785247 924342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up some more Magic: the Gathering cards, even a few of my cards involve old stuff such as shadow and phasing and cumulative upkeep and banding.
< 1421785263 780839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zzo38mtg
< 1421785290 259266 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Temporal Shadows (1{W/U/B}) Enchantment - Aura ;; Enchant creature ;; Phasing ;; Enchanted creature gains shadow.
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< 1421785721 88975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you need the URL: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/cards.txt
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< 1421787802 441841 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merry Christmas
< 1421788985 102970 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421789285 160378 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5JA8Ytk9EI&list=PL1474DAB09C40D3BA&index=111
< 1421789989 594349 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this question about one of those strange exponentially inefficient computing models might or might not interest you: http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/q/21525/
< 1421790230 791983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: happy birthday
< 1421790423 74229 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :christmas?! which calendar's year is ending in 7 days?
< 1421790458 603597 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By that calculation, Feb 12 is Chinese Christmas this year...)
< 1421790624 158543 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g*
< 1421790625 19875 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice.
< 1421790637 507399 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Happy Birthday from me, too.
< 1421790697 48217 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps the 11th. Hmm.
< 1421790860 189030 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1421790921 25783 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Christmas itself has a somewhat hazy definition. Is it the 24th? the 25th? or does it describe more than one day?)
< 1421790922 516667 :ProofTechnique!~NihilistD@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com
< 1421791689 506026 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well "christmas day" is the 25th and "christmas eve" the 24th
< 1421791727 63233 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, even though we only celebrate on the 24th we still use the same nomenclature, so I think I'd put 25th as the "date of christmas"
< 1421791727 829281 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2014
< 1421791733 306983 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1421791872 150323 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me "christmas" is definitely on christmas eve
< 1421791881 655567 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :christmas day starts the after-christmas
< 1421791996 981781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2014
< 1421792010 654791 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1421792064 743171 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo ?
< 1421792095 759447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, not on channel? 
< 1421792113 963684 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@ip-78-102-124-108.net.upcbroadband.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421792144 186775 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421792146 819896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go.
< 1421792158 623511 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2014
< 1421792167 594462 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) = "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
< 1421792180 350728 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2015
< 1421792182 130965 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1421792202 986876 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la bin/2015
< 1421792204 322143 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 80 Jan  6 17:40 bin/2015
< 1421792218 996177 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2015
< 1421792219 820914 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) != "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
< 1421792301 372731 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run date
< 1421792302 8608 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tue Jan 20 22:18:21 UTC 2015
< 1421792307 177682 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn.
< 1421792374 609440 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about the joke.
< 1421792408 140945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :use data +%G instead of date +%Y for some bonus confusion
< 1421792417 806016 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`data
< 1421792418 622785 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: data: not found
< 1421792436 622250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :date
< 1421792468 954417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date -d '2014-12-30' +'%G %Y'
< 1421792469 621623 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015 2014
< 1421792507 517689 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's the one where Wednesday decides which year the week belongs to?
< 1421792532 126367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: As far as we know turning off TypeFamilies doesn't allow you to run arbitrary IO, right?
< 1421792607 923485 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah no, Thursday decides.
< 1421792641 848954 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: as far as we know, and there may be "evil" type families ready to exploit in some library already.
< 1421792663 864612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no one knows how to do it right now, at least.
< 1421792678 240225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course we do know how to crash the program, but that's not so bad.)
< 1421792707 518995 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't, yet.
< 1421792725 131190 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can provide broken Ord instances and the like?
< 1421792736 833600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How?
< 1421792764 967251 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can do that anyway :)
< 1421792780 537922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just meant crash the program with a GADT.
< 1421792896 504254 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421793183 472244 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :V.y = case V.x of _ [Occ=Dead] { } ... right.
< 1421793233 93015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If GHC did a little optimization then you could write unsafeCoerce just like with type families.
< 1421793994 306682 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421794533 467275 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421794684 915043 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1421794685 260991 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 202200Z 24015KT 15SM FEW120 M15/M21 A2999 RMK AC1 AC TR SLP160
< 1421794835 243288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421794902 308674 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in approximately the past week I have watched all of Gravity Falls
< 1421794911 845743 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1421794997 112468 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle! how was it?
< 1421795008 845797 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. how is it?
< 1421795169 541742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'doily.  still basking in my bounty.
< 1421795178 696479 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really enjoyed it
< 1421795199 296718 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you have a bounty?
< 1421795202 356524 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you wanted for?
< 1421795234 707227 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how much are you worth?
< 1421795244 249331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i got a bounty, on cstheory.stackexchange. 100 rep.
< 1421795339 962617 :Lymia!~fujoshi@tccd247-195.tccd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1421796367 946987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<int-e> (well, for the forward difference at least) <-- a^x - a^(x-1) = a^x has no useful solution :(
< 1421796381 66585 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes!
< 1421796402 731751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you discovered the reason why I wrote that...
< 1421796435 718619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what if you allow more general functions
< 1421796453 62933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...obviously not
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< 1421797365 171206 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this works when compiled, http://lpaste.net/3502469903456141312
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< 1421797428 334770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: whoa
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< 1421797463 639163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I never bothered checking outside ghci.
< 1421797478 187133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something.
< 1421797542 316162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you mean it needs major change to work then?
< 1421797563 90590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1421797570 649622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not using TypeFamilies any more
< 1421797590 376828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not surprising.
< 1421797617 78913 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-182-072.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1421797647 679829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are AutoDeriveTypeable and RankNTypes really needed?
< 1421797648 780161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm.
< 1421797657 647290 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so ghc does that little optimization where it doesn't bother to check the constructor's tag if the pointer is tagged and the type allows only one constructor)
< 1421797667 677755 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421797676 899595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Only when compiling, I guess.
< 1421797677 789608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so for GADTs you _need_ that optimization?
< 1421797688 986949 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1421797694 667202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it looks like int-e did something more complicated than what I did.
< 1421797709 109867 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghci crashes gracefuilly complaining about hitting an impossible case.
< 1421797712 866526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's why his trick works.
< 1421797744 109154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I just did the direct equivalent of the type family, data F a b p where { A :: a -> F a b PX; B :: b -> F a b PY }
< 1421797763 678225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe the way int-e did it it just checks that the value isn't _|_ without actually checking the tag, because it's just being used as an equality proof.
< 1421797768 319257 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I need a typeable instance for Y, of course. The Rank2Types are only needed to get a proper unsafecoerce instead of any special case you might desire.
< 1421797786 29274 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, I think so.
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< 1421797837 370983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clever.
< 1421797840 164693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: in the TypeFamilies version, i managed to avoid deriving Typeable by just applying cast to the predefined :~: type...
< 1421797893 204235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its nested Proxies
< 1421797956 427065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time spj called "gcast Refl" "a ferociously-unintuitive use of 'gcast'"
< 1421797962 241659 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-155-151.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421798083 81288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not actually using ST are you
< 1421798100 644756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :caST hth
< 1421798106 88664 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, of course not.
< 1421798107 608675 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://Hentai.Republican/
< 1421798132 435256 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was playing with the idea of just doing  unsafePerformUnitIO :: IO () -> ()
< 1421798145 828980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1421798235 603688 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess your exploit shows that one can easily use TypeFamilies to lift one inconsistent type cast to arbitrary ones, without having to resort to RankNTypes. They're sort of hidden in the 'supercast' thing.
< 1421798260 925064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1421798295 414325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good name, supercast
< 1421798298 725265 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: At least to me, the F seems essential there.
< 1421798301 821240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but is there anything preventing that from working with the GADT version as well
< 1421798325 667314 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I called it  castAB :: f A -> f B  ;-)
< 1421798464 295260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i just made that type more specific to avoid ScopedTypeVariables
< 1421798478 690798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(than f)
< 1421798515 819887 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is my version of your code (based on your code) http://lpaste.net/3703918584196497408
< 1421798515 973230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that, anyway
< 1421798539 301197 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421798549 909097 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no ScopedTypeVariables
< 1421798612 351153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm indeed
< 1421798637 790602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the need got factored away somehow
< 1421798666 832286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ScopedTypeVariables was needed earlier when you needed to refer to a and b
< 1421798701 881933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1421798720 393514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there ever a program where ScopedTypeVariables is needed?
< 1421798784 971479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me
< 1421798785 244680 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oleg had an article on it.
< 1421798794 867587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that used guards to specify type hints.
< 1421798855 548027 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-178-012-191-057.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421798901 238155 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-155-151.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1421798910 2995 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-178-012-191-057.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar
< 1421798928 655444 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't believe Oleg exists
< 1421799541 665595 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I going to get attacked by Oleg in my sleep now
< 1421799601 712138 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there are reported cases of noleghtmares. you may be the first!
< 1421799709 516068 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1421799769 367806 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, you win, RankNTypes are not required: http://lpaste.net/187269619306725376
< 1421799807 656140 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In case you wonder, the knot-tying is for avoiding ScopedTypeVariables)
< 1421799815 751283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, my attempt was getting bogged down in that :P
< 1421799851 144048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind if upload that to my lbexploits directory
< 1421799855 880750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i upload
< 1421799867 893987 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421799902 874257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(your version, that is, no use for me continuing)
< 1421799958 717635 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, go ahead
< 1421799971 615629 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping me if you ever decide to add authors :P
< 1421799976 782468 :tangentstorm!~michal@108-218-151-22.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 0.3.2"
< 1421800014 330244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i'd just add a {- By int-e with permission -} comment
< 1421800027 519995 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much do I care about separation logic
< 1421800032 175368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course if you'd prefer your real name in it...
< 1421800063 937720 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nah, there are enough people who'll recognize the nick as is
< 1421800082 372061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is KindSignatures required?
< 1421800109 789792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to just putting in a constraint or extraneous argument or something that forces the kind.
< 1421800110 204252 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, do what I do and call yourself Nathan "Taneb" van Doorn
< 1421800114 589309 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except with your name and nick
< 1421800125 924027 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but I think so, since kind inference is very weak. (You can't define  type Foo a   and later use  Foo Maybe, that'll be a kind error0
< 1421800128 876354 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1421800166 22497 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: this doesn't really quite work with me :P
< 1421800201 740742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Right, but you don't need a type synonym.
< 1421800206 947404 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, Alexandre "boily" Boily?
< 1421800209 986209 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be part of the signature.
< 1421800212 13185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oerjan.nvg.org/lbexploits/ExploitGADT.hs
< 1421800252 66016 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: indeed.
< 1421800263 736478 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I believe oerjan and shachaf have similar issues
< 1421800272 63921 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similar, but not quite the same
< 1421800273 460969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think
< 1421800306 143035 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should use Ngevd more often
< 1421800327 916944 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's the other way round. I have no idea what is shachaf's name.
< 1421800344 552157 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't understand.
< 1421800347 662337 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know people who call me Taneb offline which scares me a little
< 1421800355 237545 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he he he :D
< 1421800398 881120 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously if any of you ever see me AFK please call me Nathan
< 1421800401 267834 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is it tainib or tahneb?
< 1421800408 703586 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, the latter
< 1421800416 556176 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's täneb.
< 1421800432 915626 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, but with the stress on the e?
< 1421800445 365920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: made it work without KindSignatures hth
< 1421800457 675895 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: don't brag, show code.
< 1421800524 851946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://slbkbs.org/OerGADT.hs
< 1421800587 731265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: he's not very hard to google hth
< 1421800598 204552 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :urkh.
< 1421800617 207808 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I can't believe the compiler goes along with that :P
< 1421800628 53293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can pass a "p Maybe" argument instead of the q constraint if you prefer.
< 1421800637 83843 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Catherine Margaret Shachaf?
< 1421800669 83184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...are you getting different results from me, that would be so google
< 1421800681 794594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you expect google to work the same way everywhere
< 1421800695 874081 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: on the other hand it's exactly how Typeable thinks about it: Proxy Proxy is obviously the same as Proxy Proxy.
< 1421800702 30842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i shall take the use of half my name as permission to upload hth
< 1421800758 796492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: um that version has the crash bug
< 1421800765 800347 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, there's this wikipédia result in the middle of the page.
< 1421800773 474492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i didn't actually run it hth
< 1421800775 395700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather "weird number printed" bug
< 1421800791 611286 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: fyi, your twitter profile is the first hit here, then your linked in profile.
< 1421800794 444179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm p. sure you could make it work
< 1421800799 483550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: scow scow scow
< 1421800811 862867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you following me on twitter btw
< 1421800836 821852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :best thing to do in life
< 1421801017 920106 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a twitter account for a grand total of ten minutes.
< 1421801029 988372 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? scow
< 1421801030 682019 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1421801087 821202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you making it work or did you give up
< 1421801105 461753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you are overestimating my speed
< 1421801120 970141 :arjanb!8259a9d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.169.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yet another ghc bug?
< 1421801142 929299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :arjanb: no, just finding a different way to exploit the same one
< 1421801146 363407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same bug, different constraints.
< 1421801152 451014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :using GADTs instead of TypeFamilies
< 1421801218 842913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: made it work hth
< 1421801241 40019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent
< 1421801243 684012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do B :: (p ~ Proxy, q ~ p Maybe) => X a b (a -> b) (Proxy p)
< 1421801247 952131 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far my hearburn has lasted: almost 3 days
< 1421801258 352472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was a bit suspicious that that wasn't working in the first place
< 1421801293 965403 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, seek medical help?
< 1421801299 896291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wasn't/was/
< 1421801310 885582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1421801313 782460 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'm going to see a doctor on Saturday. Hopefully this isn't so urgent that days matter
< 1421801345 794562 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I hope you are OK!
< 1421801357 136780 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. My dad does seem confident that it's not that urgent
< 1421801365 884979 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long-term if it's not resolved that would be bad, afaik
< 1421801429 565581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oerjan.nvg.org/lbexploits/ExploitGADTsOnly.hs
< 1421801483 459145 :arjanb!8259a9d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.169.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has given up on the soundness of ghc, the rate of new extensions is just too high
< 1421801586 590708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "uc = case yadda uc of" O_O
< 1421801600 119747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay, that's just using it as a proxy
< 1421801605 370367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was really scared there
< 1421801613 332599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: blame int-e for that hth
< 1421801623 786530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're shadowing again hth
< 1421801625 49253 :callforjudgement!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421801625 369465 :callforjudgement!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host
< 1421801625 522668 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421801633 30968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arjanb: btw, are you like an evil version of oerjan
< 1421801639 11160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what your name makes me think of
< 1421801647 925901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's very evil, he messes up my logreading
< 1421801663 705772 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep soon
< 1421801668 991629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not my code hth
< 1421801687 787410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix it anyway twh
< 1421801690 527450 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :My trying to learn category theory is confusing me
< 1421801696 192774 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: nonsense. today isn't a prime number.
< 1421801720 725738 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, it's semiprime so I need to semisleep
< 1421801750 773238 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, you live in the future.
< 1421801758 349772 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in your code, B has the same kinds as A. Now if you try to force the B constructor using  b :: (p ~ Proxy, q ~ p Maybe) => X a b (a -> a) (Proxy p); b = B, then ghc complains that * and * -> * don't match; it has already decided on the kinds when checking the type declaration. So you run into the problem of weak kind inference that I hinted at.
< 1421801782 41974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: fixed hth
< 1421801800 207660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that's why i updated it hth
< 1421801823 71902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1421801847 251341 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421801855 664058 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1421801863 443483 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wait what's the complaint there?
< 1421801870 212079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1421801882 964262 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"uc = case yadda uc of"
< 1421801883 348694 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1421801885 74846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421801909 192308 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting raised eyebrows for "a b u t" but not for that.
< 1421801913 130972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I was worried it would be terrifying and circular
< 1421801919 562108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like yadda wouldn't just ignore its argument
< 1421801927 917060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i was wondering about the u a bit...
< 1421801967 684926 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: okay.
< 1421801982 892467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i fixed it and uploaded the fix to oerjan's server hth
< 1421801990 253009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it's a 404
< 1421801998 394040 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I found it already
< 1421802014 791014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bets there's some way to do this without any extensions
< 1421802026 353074 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "(In case you wonder, the knot-tying is for avoiding ScopedTypeVariables)"
< 1421802036 837617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't match on Refl without GADTs or TypeFamilies.
< 1421802040 210678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't read things.
< 1421802041 679271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i added a comment that it doesn't work in GHCi
< 1421802058 996608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably write ecast with just Typeable or something
< 1421802068 544464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least a restricted version
< 1421802100 609297 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'll say it isn't possible and wait for shachaf or oerjan to prove me wrong :P
< 1421802119 717378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it'll be pretty tricky without extensions.
< 1421802137 833278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you can't even use the "(:~:) is already defined" trick.
< 1421802187 910312 :chaosagent_!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421802199 915225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm admittedly kind of confused how you cause the kind confusion without polykinds
< 1421802208 280695 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh you can drop the NOINLINE on yadda
< 1421802209 154993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, do you rely on (:~:) being polykinded?
< 1421802209 419345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proxy is PolyKInded
< 1421802217 689186 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1421802227 18975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs at GHC's notion of "not using an extension"
< 1421802239 306711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :being able to write (C :: T Int, C :: T []) and claim it's not polykinded...
< 1421802272 908922 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it has similar weird ideas about overlapping instances, hth
< 1421802276 496726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means i'm wondering a bit how much of this works after they introduced the new "only infer types that can be written" rule
< 1421802297 373223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will be in 7.10 iirc
< 1421802303 479928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is the trick to get the TypeReps identical, use type variables for the arguments or something?
< 1421802310 416192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1421802311 204764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get it
< 1421802321 524074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's that typereps contain no kind information
< 1421802325 415216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I know that much
< 1421802363 673210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it would be a bit odd for polykinded Proxy not to be usable without turning on polykinds.
< 1421802367 719907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so the main thing is deriving (Proxy :: *) :~: (Proxy :: * -> *)
< 1421802374 28831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, that's the core bug
< 1421802380 454345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that with just kindsignatures right?
< 1421802383 736587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need an extra level of Proxy.
< 1421802396 244472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1421802401 794469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make the kinds match.
< 1421802405 408946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah
< 1421802410 418893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming a polykinded :~:
< 1421802411 412636 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't have Proxy :: *
< 1421802412 592313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JMeq :/
< 1421802412 745509 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some package loading things in Javascript -almost- look like Applicatives if you squint
< 1421802417 302233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ok, ok, shut up :p
< 1421802419 533114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even polykinded :~: doesn't support two different kinds
< 1421802493 262970 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when was that rule introduced?
< 1421802494 497610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how you have to write (:~:) a b
< 1421802500 926151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks haskell
< 1421802507 604487 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :only to avoid TypeOperators
< 1421802567 207378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: done
< 1421802605 321310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is polykinded "type K a b = b" anywhere
< 1421802611 936651 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you do that for ExploitGADT too?
< 1421802636 866462 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks haskell
< 1421802638 777487 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, haskell. Thaskell.
< 1421802717 957112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: done
< 1421802722 880609 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1421802740 86446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i've been seeing the rule in "what's up for 7.10" lists
< 1421802895 271679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to make ghc annotate kinds
< 1421802900 146005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of just saying Proxy Proxy when you :t
< 1421802909 450125 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off.  Probably rebooting or something.
< 1421802992 960563 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the 'u' type is the 'unsafe' one of course ;)
< 1421803001 735026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I seem to have something fun
< 1421803014 277748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure I can exploit it yet
< 1421803029 961866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Proxy (Proxy :: * -> *) :~: Proxy (Proxy :: (* -> *) -> *) with zero extensions, at least
< 1421803132 257028 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421803147 589068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah only Typeable and cast give you that
< 1421803151 400135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1421803161 374780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. and the hard part is leveraging that into something exploitable, right?
< 1421803168 221827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you need a way to "case" on the kind
< 1421803168 375145 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1421803186 887317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe instead of using Proxy you could use (:~:) again...
< 1421803187 288874 :dianne_!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421803201 337799 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1421803203 966871 :dianne_!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne NICK :dianne
< 1421803240 98152 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an open question whether MultiParamTypeClasses is strong enough for that.
< 1421803243 490240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: our exploits so far have needed something non-parametric/non-representational
< 1421803268 266910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right.
< 1421803274 383022 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with fundeps)
< 1421803288 273506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it feels like that isn't necessarily true if you can use something more useful than Proxy though...
< 1421803333 9188 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which let you express injectivity, but somehow not exploit it to full extent. (With class Foo a b | a -> b, given Foo a b and Foo a b', the compiler will not deduce that b = b')
< 1421803418 102969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am wondering if you can just use typeclasses here
< 1421803450 877890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like let's say there is class Convenient (a :: k) b | a -> b where foo :: proxy a -> b in the stdlib
< 1421803462 247761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can instance Convenient OneProxy (Int -> Int) where ...
< 1421803468 256014 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gjliuqwfkwmjjira JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421803473 291974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and instance Convenient TheOtherProxy (Int -> Char) where ...
< 1421803490 713990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and turn something that takes the latter instance into something that takes the former. or something.
< 1421803496 135482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's obviously still a bunch of extensions
< 1421803505 470906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you probably don't need all that machinery...
< 1421803523 302240 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels ignored.
< 1421803538 233079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I did read, but I'm not sure you need that here?
< 1421803567 981637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall int-e tried to make it work with MPTCs but hit a snag
< 1421803569 572268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking more ... => (forall ... . Convenient OneProxy b => b -> r) -> ...something...
< 1421803572 589697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something.
< 1421803578 317032 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :given an instance Convenient TheOtherProxy (Int -> c), how do you get c = Char?
< 1421803615 904628 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what I wrote, with a = TheOtherProxy, b = (Int -> Int) and b' = (Int -> c).
< 1421803716 952085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure what my idea was at this point
< 1421803865 252844 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1421804453 933407 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421804636 927041 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1421804890 552587 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421804982 632725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lbexploits/ may be a bad name for something that only works for compiled code hth
< 1421805027 895627 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1421805055 250478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure i realized that directory was badly named the second after i first pasted a link to it hth
< 1421805067 135346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION endorses https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9858#comment:19
< 1421805101 705954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :goldfire seems to be reasonable, yes
< 1421805387 359324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: int-e: moved the directory to http://oerjan.nvg.org/haskell/TypeableExploits/ hth
< 1421805468 739060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means i now actually have a haskell/ directory
< 1421805499 711522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nathan van goorn
< 1421805531 505633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote society
< 1421805533 675610 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1124) <Taneb> kmc, I was trying to go to a sci-fi and fantasy society social, and I went to the wrong bar  <Taneb> Wound up at my university's fetish society  <Taneb> Didn't realise for an hour and a half \ 1222) <Taneb> ...my university's Scandinavian Society is having a trip to IKEA
< 1421805582 908644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we ask: which of those quotes is more disturbing hth
< 1421805619 10610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :was adding hth to the end of that sentence really necessary
< 1421805630 963987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1421805635 708889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses
< 1421805657 160800 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, sanitized a bit: http://lpaste.net/7665531722934517760
< 1421805670 547304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i promise i didn't read your lambdabot message first hth
< 1421805670 736833 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I also tested it on ghc head; it works just like that.
< 1421805714 80595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish
< 1421805719 69053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Why does reflP need that odd signature?
< 1421805723 614661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not forcing p's kind there.
< 1421805743 113706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And P, I guess.
< 1421805757 142841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's just for consistency.
< 1421805772 890492 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I wanted some symmetry between the two proxy, so one is Proxy p  throughout and the other one is Proxy q  throughout
< 1421805785 379289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :using p Proxy to force p's kind to be (* -> *) -> * is fishy hth
< 1421805785 833278 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err two proxies.
< 1421806035 84122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :uploaded as http://oerjan.nvg.org/haskell/TypeableExploits/ExploitGADTsOnly2.hs
< 1421806094 50045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is oerjan getting less credit anyway
< 1421806105 321951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i can fix that hth
< 1421806111 37909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :casting (:~:) is p. clever
< 1421806126 188931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also maybe i should sanitize the file names now that it's moved
< 1421806143 412983 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The document you were looking for (http://oerjan.nvg.org/lbexploits/) couldn't be found.
< 1421806157 388710 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1421806188 605284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the shadows are back hth
< 1421806192 450100 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(noticed the new URL)
< 1421806310 623315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ecast makes less sense now that type E = (:~:) is gone
< 1421806343 20034 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still an equality-cast
< 1421806348 930657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1421806376 733353 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is sodium good?
< 1421806445 992062 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea.
< 1421806621 633614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sodium is my favourite thing in the universe. it is the only thing I can truly love
< 1421806621 965340 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Na is pretty bad, very reactive. From what I'm reading NaHCO_3 can reduce acid in stomach for short periods, but is not good in the long term; the stomach will just produce more acid to compensate.
< 1421806638 619598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is the question more specific than it seems. ok
< 1421806656 961421 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION meant the FRP library
< 1421806661 109307 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah!
< 1421806663 422543 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*series of libraries
< 1421806674 567521 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoah.
< 1421806685 770720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't mean libsodium?
< 1421806709 257683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's. I actually feel trolled
< 1421806725 222512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I was like "is this a programming thing" and I was like "no sgeo was talking about... food and salt and stuff lately... it's probably the actual thing"
< 1421806738 405087 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, hence my reply
< 1421806739 390835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I KNOW the FRP library and that was my first thought but it seemed unlikely to be that on second thought
< 1421806744 895575 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION did not intend to troll
< 1421806748 802071 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so that makes two of us :)
< 1421806754 599511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay. I'm owned
< 1421806759 511446 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, now that int-e mentions it, is Tums likely to be similar in being bad long term?
< 1421806760 373108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have bested me
< 1421806784 417090 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'll go out on a limb and suggest that perhaps you don't have any stomach trouble at all and just set us up for this misunderstanding. Now that would be great trolling.
< 1421806788 601695 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is okay.
< 1421806797 405365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: fixed.  also completely renamed all files hth
< 1421806798 910354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be very elaborate
< 1421806810 105561 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't believe that. But it would be impressive :)
< 1421806827 272347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how come /haskell isn't linked from the home page hth
< 1421806904 784551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why isn't there one that just uses TypeFamilies + DeriveDataTypeable and just works
< 1421807077 156149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: because almost nothing in my website is linked properly hth
< 1421807105 435577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of the stuff in esoteric/ can only be reached via the wiki
< 1421807118 769763 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're better than me, I don't even have a homepage on my server.
< 1421807122 859543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some probably has no external links at all
< 1421807144 839988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well technically it's not my server
< 1421807153 996513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately you linked to it in the logs so google will find it hth
< 1421807165 192796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, the logs may be another place
< 1421807200 809308 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: see xkcd, hth
< 1421807212 205091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm which xkcd twh
< 1421807222 89172 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: EQUILATERAL CHICKEN
< 1421807226 494328 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the still-current one
< 1421807263 804321 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/1475/ for future reference
< 1421807281 369722 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People could read the logs far in the future someday. Some chance.
< 1421807293 673906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately the logs have a timestamp hth
< 1421807298 53035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think some people do
< 1421807335 804999 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm. when was https://xkcd.com/1174/ published?
< 1421807356 757216 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(somehow, mapping dates to xkcd numbers and back is not exactly trivial)
< 1421807369 192440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: see /archive hth
< 1421807377 682440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i was going to comment on that
< 1421807380 260031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-02-15
< 1421807384 144841 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07David Morgan-Mar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41707&oldid=7984 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+150) 10
< 1421807478 53148 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1421807510 70233 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1421807519 430832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wow so you first have to find the title from the page, then find the title in the archive (which seems to be mirror imaged)
< 1421807549 415900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok at least the link gives the number too
< 1421807555 545837 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has IWC been discontinued? What's the status of a webcomic that's only doing reruns?
< 1421807563 325402 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but with comments?)
< 1421807569 998448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well he's still doing sunday annotations
< 1421807605 580751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering about our latest wiki edit.
< 1421807620 849067 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also thought that Darth and Droids was a collaboration thing
< 1421807637 607527 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :One more typo and I'll go to bed.
< 1421807662 808658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1421807723 284195 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1421807742 725062 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, whatever. I'll heed the warning of https://xkcd.com/386/ ... good night.
< 1421807757 422732 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07David Morgan-Mar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41708&oldid=41707 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+16) 10truthify
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< 1421815683 162676 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tnbdymizylkldvca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made an arts
< 1421815719 204626 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay…
< 1421815722 721949 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it look like?
< 1421815806 988941 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tnbdymizylkldvca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nuttygod.tumblr.com/post/108699018985/a-collab-with-animestuckneko-we-did-for-an-art 
< 1421815809 855762 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tnbdymizylkldvca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1421815822 745774 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tnbdymizylkldvca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is muh tumblr
< 1421815833 681246 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tnbdymizylkldvca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am anime trash
< 1421815947 904333 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1421816043 926944 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tnbdymizylkldvca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its for an art final
< 1421816061 177857 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tnbdymizylkldvca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think I did good?
< 1421816171 612781 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Idea.
< 1421816176 360625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANIME ANIME EVERYWHERE AAAAAAAAA
< 1421816186 483303 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tnbdymizylkldvca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pats your face
< 1421816192 981299 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tnbdymizylkldvca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To modest
< 1421816223 90769 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ⓐ
< 1421816224 322151 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-P
< 1421816240 286069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Ⓐ
< 1421816241 180264 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+24B6 CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A]
< 1421816253 134151 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tnbdymizylkldvca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol
< 1421816307 952801 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-)))
< 1421816356 706990 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tnbdymizylkldvca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why winks?
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< 1421819450 712986 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: When Prismata raids come out, if they're suitable for mixed skill, I would play in a raid with you
< 1421819907 214281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: my skill is not particularly high hth
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< 1421822371 937917 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume Tums 'don't take maximum dose for more than 2 weeks' is to stop people from not seeing the doctor because Tums covers symptons
< 1421822376 69949 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*symptoms
< 1421822412 593660 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume BaconJS flatMap() is >>=, most functions called flatMap are probably bind. But what about flatMapLatest, is that a legal monadic bind, or does using it for a monad break monad laws
< 1421822552 145284 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just took 4 Tums. It's like my esophagus is trying to have heartburn but failing
< 1421822572 829110 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this : heartburn :: nausea : vomiting
< 1421822673 699994 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :♥
< 1421822677 469559 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buuuuuuuuuurntime!
< 1421822681 231428 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was a nice Game in the Past.
< 1421822685 207299 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :By some Austrians.
< 1421822696 272776 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what is it with FRP and food
< 1421822709 190962 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who, i believe, are vaguely related to the Australians in Australia, who got sent as Prisonfnord by teh™ American Stuffs.
< 1421822712 356954 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppl i mean
< 1421822714 223014 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sry. 
< 1421822714 676773 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-P
< 1421822718 363292 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT YOU SAY !!
< 1421822750 924865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think your history needs work hth
< 1421822752 238820 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if there is ever an Alcohol FRP library, I assume APic uses it
< 1421822818 676661 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know for sure.
< 1421822820 538999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: perhaps it's derived from that bananas, lenses and barbed wire thing?
< 1421822837 807287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION never actually read that
< 1421822864 389216 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mails oerjan an explanation
< 1421822868 499203 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did You mean that Sgeo Chap}
< 1421822869 901620 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry
< 1421822870 691283 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-P
< 1421822870 983476 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :P
< 1421822881 936729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: no i meant you for the history hth
< 1421822882 587274 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not my Deb{,t,d,…
< 1421822885 546969 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :kkkk
< 1421822898 232725 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All I know is that that thing you're referring to also mentions envelopes
< 1421822900 419327 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1421822966 809877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1421823702 941568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any new puzzles for Pokemon card or Magic: the Gathering?
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< 1421824125 526148 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Change behavior for selected AST nodes. *All assignments. *This message send"
< 1421824131 811558 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this mean monad syntax implementable?
< 1421824133 627356 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tnbdymizylkldvca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnight
< 1421824138 524064 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tnbdymizylkldvca PRIVMSG #esoteric :~
< 1421824138 677344 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.slideshare.net/MarcusDenker/2013-fosdempharo4
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< 1421827154 286492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the new basic lands with no text. My opinion is it should include the explicit mana ability, but written using italics and parentheses instead of the old way.
< 1421827179 671585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "shock" lands?
< 1421827197 982981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are "shock" lands?
< 1421827213 928177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. Watery Grave
< 1421827237 764398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lands that enter tapped if you don't pay 2 life.
< 1421827279 656937 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes like that, but only one color of mana and no text other than that reminder text.
< 1421827303 140540 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are really only four groups of land that matter in eternal formats (not counting land that is only used as part of a combo)
< 1421827330 268576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: Which is what?
< 1421827353 230975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what are the eternal formats?
< 1421827368 338807 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shock lands (CARDNAME comes into play tapped unless you pay 2 life, have two basic land types); fetch lands (T, sacrifice CARDNAME, pay 1 life: search your library for an X or Y land card, where X and Y are basic land types); dual lands (have two basic land types, no drawbacks, only legal in Legacy and Vintage); and Wasteland and Strip Mine
< 1421827381 746761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and basic lands hth
< 1421827389 435006 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an eternal format is a format which doesn't have a rule that all cards older than a certain number of sets are automatically illegal
< 1421827398 781022 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: actually those hardly matter right now
< 1421827403 463273 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes people run them as wasteland counters
< 1421827411 653138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? Hmm.
< 1421827415 685663 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be unusual to see more than two in a deck
< 1421827418 955269 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's monocolored
< 1421827423 400129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even in Modern?
< 1421827432 715402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, wait.
< 1421827434 561787 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's monocolored, sometimes
< 1421827438 371559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in puzzle formats any card is potentially useful
< 1421827438 564656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not eternal. Right.
< 1421827441 727302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I haven't seen many eternal format games.
< 1421827442 343590 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern is eternal
< 1421827453 995167 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you run like 6 shock lands and use fetchlands for the rest
< 1421827456 456141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, "number of sets".
< 1421827456 863863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I suppose puzzle format isn't an official format anyways.
< 1421827471 987878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Eternal_(format) says Modern isn't eternal
< 1421827485 684822 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway you've clarified what you meant so it doesn't matter.
< 1421827509 976870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also any Limited format won't need such a rule either, since it is redundant.
< 1421827542 996343 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Wizards consider Modern to be internal, so do most people I've seen discussing Magic
< 1421827545 7218 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1421827556 500133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, this has lead to a huge row recently
< 1421827563 113598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Birthing Pod being banned in Modern
< 1421827576 672610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem being that it was the cheapest tier 1 Modern deck
< 1421827577 732432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Birthing Pod was banned in Modern?
< 1421827591 890922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be very popular, didn't it?
< 1421827595 410448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and many of the people who bought it can't afford to change to a different deck because all the viable ones are more expensive
< 1421827600 434014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess this was just two days ago.
< 1421827601 147978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, like 20-30% of the metagame
< 1421827603 431239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it got banned
< 1421827605 908980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, just two days ago
< 1421827608 507368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What formats are you playing anyways?
< 1421827610 34819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus "recently"
< 1421827612 118058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of them
< 1421827618 721331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I follow Legacy, though, and other formats to a lesser extent
< 1421827634 503294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Lorwyn was so bad that I stopped playing Magic, and nothing since has tempted me back
< 1421827671 375491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have played a Lorwyn draft once or twice
< 1421827742 64908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as later sets
< 1421827760 145342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I rarely play the game at all and am mostly interested in Magic: the Puzzling
< 1421827865 855259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the case that most cards that were good for a Birthing Pod deck are now useless?
< 1421827869 151919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than lands, I suppose.
< 1421827906 195023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the problem is that some of them are now useless (mostly tutor targets), and others are still useful but the only tier 1 deck they fit in requires about $1000 worth of cards that aren't in Pod
< 1421827917 680921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, they banned Treasure Cruise and Dig Through Time
< 1421827920 784587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :those just came out
< 1421828003 973976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tutor" means Birthing Pod's ability, right?
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< 1421828089 94681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "tutor" is any effect that lets you access specific cards from a deck
< 1421828099 546759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pod's ability is one of those, it was one of the better ones in Modern
< 1421828107 185154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's named after the first several cards to have that ability)
< 1421828212 939441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also I wonder how much you'd have been laughed like six months ago if you told someone that Modern, Legacy and Vintage would all be broken by an 8-mana common in the next set
< 1421828219 719142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in a Limited game that uses really old cards, then any land might be used
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< 1421828267 795298 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Is there such a card?
< 1421828281 285928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Treasure Cruise
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< 1421828300 140290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was crazy common, the ban is much less controversial than the ban of Birthing Pod
< 1421828315 927287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it has CMC 8, but so does Scornful Egotist
< 1421828320 952231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because most people thought it would happen (there's widespread disagreement on whether people thought it was necessary, but it was predicted to happen)
< 1421828332 42793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't really reflect on the way the card is used.
< 1421828334 875563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but Scornful Egotist sucks ;-)
< 1421828353 699726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did it have a big influence on Vintage?
< 1421828354 91655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still can't be used to force your opponent to draw three cards though like Ancestral Recall which you can use on yourself or opponent.
< 1421828400 635197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there aren't that many Vintage tournaments, but yes
< 1421828419 361547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Vintage has a policy of restricting anything that looks even approximately like good blue card draw/filtering
< 1421828426 388005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's particularly there because Vintage has so many broken cards
< 1421828442 208128 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I doubt Ancestral Recall is used that way very often except in Magic: The Puzzling.
< 1421828514 318691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use it as a response to Enter the Infinite, but I don't think that's widely played in Vintage
< 1421828518 458987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are so many other things you could be doing
< 1421828524 553832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Recall isn't legal anywhere else
< 1421828578 355700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If you're being controlled by e.g. Mindslaver, Ancestral Recall is worse.
< 1421828630 811609 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes in that case your opponent can make the choice for you
< 1421828646 783591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most decks which play Mindslaver have some method to play it every turn
< 1421828651 173013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at which point, they've pretty much won
< 1421828659 500424 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you are being controlled by Mindslaver, Demonic Consultation is *far* worse than Ancestral Recall!
< 1421828669 534079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a card that says you can choose targets for all your opponent's spells?
< 1421828684 457074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gleemax, but it's silver-bordered
< 1421828689 713629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Unhinged there is
< 1421828695 722334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it costs one million mana
< 1421828702 586181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, I have seen that before.
< 1421828722 420089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, Worst Fears, not Mindslaver.
< 1421828743 753929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure any deck plays Worst Fears
< 1421828772 938798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the main reason it's there is for the creature in the same set that gives the opponent the choice of making it bigger or letting the creature's controller cast an instant or sorcery for free
< 1421828776 528039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what's the worst that could happen"
< 1421828815 421339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in Draft, not a lot, unless you draft both those specific cards and happen to have them in hand at the same time)
< 1421828847 606827 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that would explain the name.
< 1421828912 798797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What card is the creature in the same set that gives the opponent the choice of making it bigger or letting the creature's controller cast an instant or sorcery for free?
< 1421828936 546891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget offhand
< 1421828937 275191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oracle of Bones
< 1421828942 53813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't be too hard to search for
< 1421829037 498395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK
< 1421829073 902270 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, why do they always make tribute like that? Can't you make something like: Unleash, Tribute 2
< 1421829097 526796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean, "like that"?
< 1421829118 530779 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean things that says "if the tribute cost is not paid"
< 1421829128 738562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, it isn't a cost actually)
< 1421829173 300846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Wizards don't like to mix abilities belonging to different sets
< 1421829197 712866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unleash was an RTR block ability, so Wizards would be unlikely to put it into Theros which is the very next block
< 1421829204 104907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most abilities are given a break before returning
< 1421829207 628230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If an effect tells you to "distribute so-and-so many jams among creatures", does that let you cancel out tribute jams?
< 1421829232 105340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it cancels out Unleash ability-to-block, and everything that counts +1/+1 counters specifically, though
< 1421829245 974683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tribute doesn't count +1/+1 counters, it just remembers whether the opponent paid
< 1421829256 164988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was only a pun.
< 1421829286 739497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, although I still like to try to make up unofficial cards that can mix up such things
< 1421829317 400545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, only 13 cards have Unleash.
< 1421829350 961980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this is common for block-specific mechanics
< 1421829374 924923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :often, the designers decide that, while keeping to within their normal limits for mechanical use, they couldn't create much more interestingly distinct cards than that
< 1421829454 554511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to try to make entirely different designs, combining keyword abilities that were never combined before, using keyword abilities that are officially only on creatures on non-creature cards too, etc
< 1421829491 314854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also "enchant attacking creature"
< 1421829543 267825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Flash, presumably? what benefit does that have over making an Instant?
< 1421829566 793047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it doesn't have flash, but it does have ninjutsu.
< 1421829571 275192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has at least one drawback (enhancing toughness doesn't help much)
< 1421829633 102036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a card that makes you distribute jams among creatures controlled by opponents?
< 1421829670 958128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not, Wizards doesn't like drawback cards
< 1421829677 348700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because most of their players don't enjoy playing them
< 1421829713 778559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a land with ninjutsu, a Aura with ninjutsu, and a instant with ninjutsu. (I also made up a creature that has both ninjutsu and defender.)
< 1421829770 375907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Examples?
< 1421829781 826355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does Ninjutsu mean on those cards?
< 1421829809 918244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "you can return an attacking creature to your hand and pay CARDNAME's ninjitsu cost to place CARDNAME into play tapped and attacking"
< 1421829829 512910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: an instant with ninjutsu doesn't work
< 1421829835 788326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but what does it mean to place an instant on the battlefield tapped and attacking?
< 1421829840 5148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't place instants into play via any means but Manifest
< 1421829847 491290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was added like a few weeks ago
< 1421829857 247628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that an instant will stay in your hand but still return the attacking creature, and that the other non-creatures will be tapped but not attacking because they can't be attacking.
< 1421829858 76174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what about an aura?
< 1421829865 426395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :before, I could have made the absolute statement that you can't place instants into play at all
< 1421829874 424061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically "onto the battlefield" but I dislike that terminology)
< 1421829890 660730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, the ninjutsu/defender card is legal within the rules and does attack
< 1421829894 22919 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for an aura, I think, if it comes into play due to a reason other than resolving, its controller now must choose what it enchants.
< 1421829909 688784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, that one does attack, I know that.
< 1421829912 341812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :defender stops a card attacking, it doesn't stop it being created in an attacking sate
< 1421829928 450507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A land can be a creature, but I don't know if zzo38's land is a creature.
< 1421829933 111904 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the one with defender is the only one of these that does attack.
< 1421829934 647802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why Flash Foliage is so hilarious
< 1421829940 378728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the rest aren't creatures.
< 1421829941 409308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't think an aura can attack at all (but maybe with zzo38's modified rules it can).
< 1421829945 678644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can block anything it can target, because it creates a creature in a blocking state
< 1421829952 748022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like an abuse of the Ninjutsu mechanic to do that.
< 1421829959 338486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus getting around all protections against creatures becoming blocking
< 1421829971 773843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: an aura that's a creature can attack just fine (but it can't enchant things)
< 1421829978 84930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even with my modified rules an aura can't attack
< 1421829983 876639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might need humility or the like to stop it dying due to not being attached
< 1421829998 382053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I suppose that can work.
< 1421830000 663589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless it is a creature, but like I said none of these cards are creatures except for the one having defender)
< 1421830030 844708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make basically anything into a creature if you try hard enough
< 1421830037 766597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an aura that has a tap ability?
< 1421830049 311428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there's one in Future Sight.
< 1421830051 821956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and in cases other than instant/sorcery, you don't even have to cheat with manifest/ixidron)
< 1421830084 369531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, Wizards are careful to avoid situation where enchantments get tapped, partly to distinguish them from artifacts, partly because people keep tapping them along with things they enchant
< 1421830089 615208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the rules say you don't do that
< 1421830103 815443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and future sight tried to break as many rules like that that Wizards could think of
< 1421830120 77209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They didn't try hard enough.
< 1421830132 987135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they only had limited space in the set
< 1421830143 481329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Future Sight has two.
< 1421830149 914400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Second Wind.
< 1421830247 404127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 would probably like the creature with haste and defender
< 1421830253 988553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, future sight wanted to do combinations of mechanics
< 1421830261 958379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it used mechanics from the previous block (ravnica block)
< 1421830273 458369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the basis that most people would already know how they worked
< 1421830283 47867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that apparently confused enough people that they decided not to do it again
< 1421830286 943400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a lot more stuff though
< 1421830303 506087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You should get your cards printed.
< 1421830315 542033 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't intend to print them.
< 1421830342 120757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't even form a set. But if some are used in a set, then they can be decided rarity within the set and then printed so that you can make up a draft or sealed.
< 1421830361 564184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would play zz38mtg
< 1421830368 724648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The picture and flavor text would also be decided within the set.)
< 1421830385 159656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you have to mix it with some of the cards produced by Alex Churchill's random card generator
< 1421830417 721196 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And of course the set may include cards from previous official or unofficial sets too, or if you don't, draft multiple sets at once)
< 1421830426 884290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, these cards actually look sensible
< 1421830439 174365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the land's a little overpowered
< 1421830441 479705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you would gain life, instead that player may search his or her library for a creature card, reveal it, and put it into his or her hand. If that player does, that player shuffles that library afterwards."
< 1421830442 946653 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think I also made up a random Magic: the Gathering card generator, but not very good
< 1421830446 605875 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which cards look sensible?
< 1421830457 709753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the ones in my latest random generation
< 1421830465 346170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I can't link to because the URL gives a new set every time you follow it
< 1421830470 831342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Alex Churchill's one might be better
< 1421830500 467525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the land is ETB tapped; T: add W to mana pool; 1, T: add BB to mana pool; discard two cards: discard target nonblack creature)
< 1421830502 300078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can link to the seed.
< 1421830508 745581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seed isn't listed
< 1421830509 725148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe?
< 1421830512 332511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the source.
< 1421830519 998836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although maybe I should add a random number seed option into FurryScript so that if anyone makes such a thing with FurryScript then it is possible to link in that way.
< 1421830522 222406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, it's in view source
< 1421830523 750350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :330275099
< 1421830531 277958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not sure how to get it to use a particular seed.
< 1421830566 370989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good, it's not seeding from time
< 1421830581 733375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was worried that was the actual time for the moment
< 1421830590 398267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I miscounted the digits
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< 1421831575 749792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://www.toothycat.net/wiki/bnf.pl?page=AlexChurchill/MagicCardGenerator&seed=330275099
< 1421831579 290928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just guessed the URL syntax
< 1421831599 70485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reasonable.
< 1421831607 476124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, *destroy* target nonblack creature.
< 1421831610 5225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's much better.
< 1421831613 161221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes
< 1421831615 938090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops
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< 1421832916 430147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/puzzle.3  Is this puzzle correct? Is it busted or cooked?
< 1421832919 617107 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, defender+ninjutsu sounds funny
< 1421832921 709641 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tnbdymizylkldvca QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1421832959 389333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What does busted or cooked mean?
< 1421833044 689455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Busted means it has no valid solution, and cooked means it has unintended solution(s).
< 1421833142 430174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, "(it's named after the first several cards to have that ability)" -- actually, they still call it "tutor" on new cards like Diabolic Tutor
< 1421833209 847240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what does correct mean?
< 1421833257 583136 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it's version 3 now? did you finish version 2? or abanadon it?
< 1421833283 473085 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's an entirely different puzzle
< 1421833309 7423 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a complicated one with lots of different cards, wow
< 1421833313 968034 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421833489 315282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the goal of the puzzle?
< 1421833520 989619 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: win the game, I think
< 1421833544 820940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, not "in some number of turns" or anything, just guarantee a victory.
< 1421833554 861777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1421833562 315437 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, but unlike chess, in M:tG puzzles you usually have to do that very fast 
< 1421833613 437713 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you let the opponent have a turn with unknown cards in his library, he usually has a theoretic possibility to win, unless you used some very strong effects such as prevent him to draw a card and empty his hand
< 1421833627 752960 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably you have to win or at least go off in your turn
< 1421833680 666507 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to guarantee win, not just make it likely as you'd do in a real game
< 1421833741 423413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it says it is probabilistic, you should assume it is to guarantee win
< 1421833789 117237 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the puzzle could give some other goal of course)
< 1421833811 906078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it could, although this one doesn't.
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< 1421837308 734667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you study this puzzle?
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< 1421838136 361863 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1421839413 236467 :TieSleep!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul
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< 1421840875 30475 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well, the magic "turn" is a fleshed out two-player game.
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< 1421841872 922087 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google adword: "Haskell Fasttrack course \ www.skillsmatter.com/ \ Learn Haskell, its Type System, IO Polymorphism & testing, Jan 29-30th"
< 1421841935 269635 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO Polymorphism?
< 1421841954 615520 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be the latest paradigm
< 1421841993 567557 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that when you create an  forall a. IORef a  to implement unsafeCoerce from unsafePerformIO?
< 1421842043 387827 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It could be a missing comma. But really IO is rather oddly placed on that list.)
< 1421842066 774924 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to tabcomplete fungot's name. tab. tab tab. TAB TAB TAB.
< 1421842072 773383 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: FUNGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!
< 1421842235 368271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1421842245 105888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some internet hiccup back home.
< 1421842262 733397 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok.
< 1421842302 205109 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421842305 481452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There.
< 1421842308 994778 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks ^^
< 1421842315 755338 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hello sailor!
< 1421842316 74358 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but if i did i'd use essence.
< 1421842330 615181 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: straight to the point, I see.
< 1421842331 316171 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: did you eat lunch yet?" " gee thanks for the translation to bytecode. i can rescale it as needed) as opposed to violently slaying me because i haven't gotten a new one
< 1421842366 245202 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: only breakfast. but enough of small talk. I wanted to ask you about IO Polymorphism.
< 1421842366 560477 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i forgot the key combination following it determines the structure of scheme's syntax.
< 1421842382 204963 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ah, polymorphism between languages. whatever that is?
< 1421842382 751157 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: in plt-scheme, there is a way ppl hide and made excuses for their shitty actions: http://mitpress.mit.edu/ sicp/ full-text/ book/ fnord exercise 3.3.2
< 1421842404 800633 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so IO Polymorphism is buzzword compliant?
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< 1421842718 229199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hizzie
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< 1421843127 472437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hichaf.
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< 1421843264 642863 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e / b_jonas - I can report the the Lego BF interpreter works :-) However, the paper tape drive needs revisiting - over the course of several [] iterations the tape slipped too much resulting in mis-reads :-(
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< 1421843505 352290 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized that if you generate enough random pictures you'll eventually end up at previously unseen nudes of celebrities
< 1421843517 502384 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421843528 925480 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that classify as an invasion of privacy?
< 1421843532 659212 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Implementing a randomized Turing Machine"
< 1421843560 674147 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The corresponding paper is called "Using genetic algorithms to generate previously unseen nudes of celebrities"
< 1421843638 436254 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1421843645 425397 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many random images can a computer generate...
< 1421843647 98457 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You got me, I actually did a search for that paper
< 1421843657 528991 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: You're kidding, right?
< 1421843673 728126 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tricky, but it's not really privacty that's at stake here.
< 1421843678 264090 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better write it now, while the title still has SEO value.
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< 1421843745 388748 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact it might improve privacy if nobody could tell the difference between real nude pictures and the fake ones.
< 1421843759 368476 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that matter?
< 1421843764 736697 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jander: presumably a paper tape machine would use punched tape
< 1421843788 900036 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jander: thanks for the report back
< 1421843803 46189 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet - mine uses coloured rectangles.
< 1421843818 879699 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the strategy here is to take a nude of yourself
< 1421843824 945130 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then modify it in 100 versions
< 1421843827 309476 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and leak them
< 1421843850 317864 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand what game is to be won using this strategy
< 1421843855 936986 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1421843863 392626 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, I doubt I'll get time to redesign the pinch-roller components tonight, but once it works I'll video it :-) I had it merrily working on multiplying 4x3 but when it hit the 3rd time around the main loop the tape was too far out of sync.
< 1421843868 526530 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The chance that somebody is jerking off to the real you approaches 1/100 instead of 1
< 1421843872 865083 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess
< 1421843912 205223 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, it is zero because they are using a picture of you, which is not you
< 1421843929 889098 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively they're jerking off to a genetic algorithm
< 1421843939 414396 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mother is a genetic algorithm
< 1421843946 72711 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow...
< 1421843953 520351 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy... easy... ;)
< 1421843997 19708 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok enough of the crazy-talk
< 1421844021 621016 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real question was actually what happens if your random machine generates something that violates patents
< 1421844027 63944 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or copyright or privacy laws or whatever
< 1421844071 919298 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether you can get new punched tape these days. Also I guess you'd want plastic tape if you're using dry-erase marking.
< 1421844097 327675 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably nothing happens as long as you don't make use of the information or publish it
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< 1421844110 451432 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet - this is just strips of cut A4 coloured in with felt tip :-)
< 1421844119 954081 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421844136 995971 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you cannot inadvertantly violate copyright (though you may hace trouble proving that your randomly generated copy of Harry Potter is your own product). Patent law is the big evil in the IP ocean.
< 1421844146 103770 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patent law is pretty clear about this: it doesn't really matter what crystal ball in which lucid dream you independently derived an idea from
< 1421844153 850479 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was patented before, you can't use it commercially
< 1421844189 125810 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: also note that selection is part of the creative process.
< 1421844262 830645 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: So if you train a neural network on Harry Potter, its results may very well become derivative works of that, though it could be fun (expensive...) to test the limits in court.
< 1421844426 799536 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's anything like current chatterbot technology, you might get away with fair use on the grounds that it is a nonsensical parody of the original
< 1421844449 456802 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :true.
< 1421844637 478191 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can you automatically generate nonsensical combinations of Sasha Grey films and Tatu music videos? Important research frontiers.
< 1421844656 962829 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, in this case the source materials are pretty nonsensical to begin with)
< 1421845659 21889 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also haskell.org is always sooooo slooooow
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< 1421853841 509778 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote proc
< 1421853842 459585 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :230) <fizzie> Phantom_Hoover: I have just one tvtropes page open in elinks, but my tvtropes.txt "queue" has 38 tvtropes.org URLs waiting for processing. \ 481) <fungot> elliott__: my fnord into normal life was a painful and difficult process. [...] \ 524) <itidus20> what is nice about a pebble is that you can process it with your brain as a number 
< 1421853865 581724 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 524
< 1421853866 302966 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :524) <itidus20> what is nice about a pebble is that you can process it with your brain as a number by simply looking at it
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< 1421857108 830274 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote sheep
< 1421857109 670690 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1421857115 615066 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote cow
< 1421857116 350274 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :401) <Taneb> Look, I often walk my dog through a field with cows in it. And I punched myself in the face once. \ 848) <pikhq> Conext coyou'll cotell come cothat coyou cocan't coprefix coeverything cowith co"co".  <oerjan> pikhq: coof urse conot! \ 989) <olsner> metar lead to canada, more metar and cows \ 995) <Bike> man at least job applications in
< 1421857149 285066 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure would love to know the context for 401 o_O
< 1421857275 493394 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote job application
< 1421857276 289891 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :995) <Bike> man at least job applications in biosciences are just like "you are willing to put your arms through a cow"  <kmc> Bike: please send us a link to your CowHub profile of cows you have previously put your arms through on your own time for fun  <Bike> please provide at least two zebrafish you have modified to glow in the dark
< 1421857299 875548 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm...
< 1421857314 53018 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote squirrel
< 1421857314 812209 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1421857320 718817 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote bird
< 1421857321 630282 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :571) <Phantom_Hoover> oh god oh god  <Phantom_Hoover> what if I become  <Phantom_Hoover> attracted  <Phantom_Hoover> to birds \ 1044) <Bike> that reminds me of a great quote about bird semen
< 1421857343 100684 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote semen
< 1421857343 979954 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :74) <Warrigal> Making a small shrine to Lawlabee in my basement is something I should get around to at some point. \ 1044) <Bike> that reminds me of a great quote about bird semen
< 1421857364 34257 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2011-07-20.txt
< 1421857457 137210 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting.
< 1421857467 793955 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw I never punched myself in the face
< 1421857533 979732 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's bfjoust going btw?
< 1421857607 917797 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421857608 928648 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be funnier with imps.
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< 1421858859 143282 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 NICK :MDude
< 1421859141 831028 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... it's been 4 months i last cleared my browser history
< 1421859281 272106 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the browser history take up memory space 
< 1421859373 404342 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least now when firefox crashes, only firefox crashes and not the whole computer
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< 1421860769 877309 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1421860771 170813 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math!
< 1421860775 937537 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boolean random = (Math.random()*Math.random()) < Math.random();
< 1421860783 955499 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yields true in 75% of the cases
< 1421860787 408411 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a proof :D
< 1421860795 281996 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just thinking that x*y < z
< 1421860800 535463 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since x < 1 AND y < 1
< 1421860811 702510 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x*y < z is more likely to be < z than x <z or y < z
< 1421860819 195546 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's as much as I got so far
< 1421860889 420346 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing I got other than that is
< 1421860899 431583 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming x < z has P=0.5 and y < z has P=0.5
< 1421860908 928507 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then x*y < z probably has P=0.5+0.5*0.5
< 1421860950 81525 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's ...
< 1421861284 445719 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing I can say is that Math.random() has an expected value of 0.5
< 1421861299 165438 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Math.random()*Math.random() should have an expected value of 0.25
< 1421861309 870135 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way I can at least argue that it's supposed to be more true than false
< 1421861397 696590 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt 0.5
< 1421861399 156940 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.7071067811865476
< 1421861437 285191 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math.random() * Math.random() has a sqrt 0.5 chance of being less than 0.5, which is the expected value of Math.random
< 1421861454 316879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for rand()*rand() to be 0 only one of them has to be 0
< 1421861461 345506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas for it to be 1 both of them have to be 
< 1421861464 314113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*both of them have to be 1
< 1421861468 19362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether that's relevant at all.
< 1421861470 918141 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 0 < rand() < 1
< 1421861542 704647 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x*y is always smaller than x and also smaller than y
< 1421861551 999727 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :E(rand()*rand()) = 0.25 
< 1421861556 162802 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1421861590 132285 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so rand() would be above it 75% of the time
< 1421861638 858541 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :caveat: I almost failed the last stats course I took
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< 1421861849 615291 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense
< 1421861860 221231 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and E(r*r*r) = 0.125
< 1421861863 866392 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 0.875 times true
< 1421861868 916309 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I can empirically confirm
< 1421861870 296838 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1421861872 63423 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about
< 1421861877 51387 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r*r*r < r*r?
< 1421861881 18223 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally
< 1421861885 236884 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r^n < r^k
< 1421861939 165318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<mroman> x*y is always smaller than x and also smaller than y
< 1421861942 612988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um?
< 1421861946 709448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x*1 is x...
< 1421861948 381545 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1421861951 568433 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1421861953 612095 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like I said
< 1421861953 765503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is Math.random() [0,1)
< 1421861957 693538 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < rand() < 1
< 1421861975 884359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay then yeah
< 1421861994 389313 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually Math.random is inclusive 0 and exclusive 1
< 1421862020 941087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this question could be answered in a second by anyone who knows any probability theory :(
< 1421862023 970208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly I don't
< 1421862025 837056 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1421862054 317764 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only use Math.random() so I can have a program and "empirically" measure the probability
< 1421862059 667998 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't know how to calculate it yet
< 1421862062 869188 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes
< 1421862165 978261 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm interested in P(product(rand(),1,n) < product(rand(),1,k)) where 0 < rand() < 1 AND k >= n
< 1421862208 716081 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no wait
< 1421862211 392161 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k <= n
< 1421862309 344192 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a math channel :D
< 1421862322 560876 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. there is
< 1421862532 153723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand it's not a very friendly place
< 1421862654 988667 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit too crowded
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< 1421863473 335241 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1421865763 504870 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Register now for more ads.
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< 1421867222 342231 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de NOTICE #esoteric :hmm
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< 1421867735 415891 :oren!~oren@user3-223-64.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it appears that the distro of N uniform 0,1 distros' product is |(log(x))^(N-1)/(N-1)|.
< 1421867806 157448 :oren!~oren@user3-223-64.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(According to my integrations and extrapolation
< 1421867864 896776 :oren!~oren@user3-223-64.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind, that's wrong
< 1421867883 222177 :oren!~oren@user3-223-64.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHA: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/UniformProductDistribution.html
< 1421867969 28393 :oren!~oren@user3-223-64.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :|(log(x))^(N-1)/(N-1)!|
< 1421868308 357954 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, density. fine...
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< 1421869340 303966 :oren!~oren@user3-223-64.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have studied harder when I took stats...
< 1421869376 449128 :oren!~oren@user3-223-64.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that applies to virtually every course i've taken, actually
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< 1421879612 906951 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio
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< 1421880815 832311 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Tanelle. you reminded me I had a blog.
< 1421880825 200094 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do?
< 1421880828 150480 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did?
< 1421880853 747810 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many questions
< 1421880921 508628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman <mroman> also haskell.org is always sooooo slooooow <-- there was a reddit post on that, assuming you're referring to the wiki part, the problem is that after last year's server crash, some servers are in different data centers that really ought to be close together
< 1421880921 661690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1421880995 621704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman see https://status.haskell.org/
< 1421880995 774857 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1421881012 952138 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes. got an e-mail today saying you're following me. I had completely forgot that I had some kind of thing that looks like a blog.
< 1421881019 35818 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes
< 1421881029 425071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo follow me on twitter
< 1421881034 112418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :many exciting tweets
< 1421881084 805892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok that was even fewer than i expected
< 1421881108 706557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my followers/tweet ratio is p. high hth
< 1421881114 702123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1421881125 146485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seems to be a #nationalhugday somewhere
< 1421881133 642141 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.84.79 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421881150 23716 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pfcuttle.tumblr.com/post/3969325727/un-petit-peu-special-pour-un-valeur-donnee-de ← what the hell was I doing back then... anybody can help me recall?
< 1421881199 618236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, it's all french to me hth
< 1421881237 214267 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :translated: A little bit special. (For some value of “little”)
< 1421881247 766015 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, puts me in mind of Marble Hornets
< 1421881284 58586 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, marble hornets. I watched a few random ones yesterday night ^^
< 1421881302 387223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: is this your latest revenge for my hemsktmyckethej tdnh also all sound clips should have a time bar so you can see whether you have any chance of bearing the rest of that crap (i didn't)
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< 1421881341 237853 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, still searching; I agree; it's not very long.
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< 1421881364 251450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it does have a time bar
< 1421881373 8617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does?
< 1421881385 552573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1421881391 998030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so it does.  very sublte.
< 1421881394 198913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a line and some shading moves across the player bar
< 1421881399 853951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sublet
< 1421881405 246188 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a line!
< 1421881423 974548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: this is cute
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< 1421881438 74084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope still cannot bear it hth
< 1421881484 113712 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: any idea?
< 1421881497 728271 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. even the 'got is stumped.
< 1421881552 550159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I liked it
< 1421881582 31948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: please be kind and answer boily twh
< 1421881582 213363 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe tomorrow i'll host the comments on fnord
< 1421881609 320861 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Fnord Message Board. the Fnoard.
< 1421881627 496860 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stop being sentient, you vile fungot.
< 1421881627 773558 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: why not generalize for any cube size? i don't believe any of it. i think. i'm not sure
< 1421881645 145561 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: auditive generalized cubes?
< 1421881645 463254 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: this text is fnord for people like me, wants mrv gone". otoh, he's been using that too
< 1421881657 661531 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you are not people.
< 1421881657 814797 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: fnord the background and talks.
< 1421881687 253350 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks :)
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< 1421882121 900398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> this question could be answered in a second by anyone who knows any probability theory :( <-- oren is essentially right but i think you need to integrate to prove that equation hth
< 1421882168 653113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\int_0^1 \int_0^1 x y dx dy
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< 1421882276 525125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm that's easy because y is a constant relative to x, so = \int_0^1 y \int_0^1 x dx dy = (\int_0^1 z dz)^2 = (1/2)^2 = 0.25
< 1421882292 740028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still remembers _some_ integration, yay
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< 1421882379 176499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which probably means there's also an easy way to think of it without integration
< 1421882384 858282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of integration, what's with forms and pseudoforms
< 1421882407 658286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually it's just E(X Y) = E(X) E(Y) when X and Y are independent
< 1421882452 293757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can say that i'm lucky not to know what pseudoforms are, and have probably never used a form in anger
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< 1421882538 99517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(never took the differential geometry course, but there were some seminars...)
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< 1421882626 758654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i recall something about dx /\ dy = - dy /\ dx  and de rham something
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< 1421882703 398313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this generalizing green's/stokes's/gauss's theorem
< 1421882714 582400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which stokes's theorem
< 1421882742 429380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one integrating around the boundary of a surface
< 1421882760 967949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think stokes's theorem might also refer _to_ the generalization
< 1421882805 223470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also integrating on the surface, and those integrals being equal)
< 1421882828 825424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1421882848 390455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one on the boundary involved dot product and the one inside cross product with normals iirc
< 1421882848 844741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the right way to learn about all this twh
< 1421882895 250542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno i think what i once knew properly about this i learned in the advanced calculus and analytic geometry course
< 1421882916 907183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose "take a course"
< 1421882920 743878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but that didn't include the form generalization i think)
< 1421882933 778930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think the textbook was Apostol, that rings a bell
< 1421882954 161582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also i've heard people talking about Spivak
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< 1421882971 310432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also seen the book, nice cartoons
< 1421882998 131777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spivak would teach the forms)
< 1421883037 434108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Spivak is sort of legendary for this
< 1421883070 969130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course this was >20 years ago
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< 1421883150 962319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Spivak is the author of the five-volume A Comprehensive Introduction to Differential Geometry."
< 1421883172 948981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds comprehensive all right
< 1421883180 11057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that spivak
< 1421883188 329981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not calculus on manifolds
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< 1421883229 355170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Spivak's book Calculus on Manifolds is also rather infamous as being one of the most difficult undergraduate mathematics textbooks"
< 1421883249 657048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i don't actually remember whether it's good or just legendary :P
< 1421883338 579708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's Calculus.  not sure which one has the drawings...
< 1421883344 572541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they all do
< 1421883421 121598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all have cute covers
< 1421883446 853411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think.
< 1421883452 23037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ssiinnaa.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/spivak.differential.geometry.jpeg exclusive picture of me
< 1421883487 875728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay maybe not all of them do... but there's definitely multiple cute spivak covers
< 1421883509 537247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tensorial.com/math/manifolds/ nice Mathematics Memes
< 1421883516 164322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's a ship of fools
< 1421883527 758671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who're you calling a fool
< 1421883569 54130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo'l you calling a whore
< 1421883643 180129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that equation in your link _is_ the generalization of stokes's theorem
< 1421883654 384097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*your last link
< 1421883660 666664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I've always seen that one called "Stokes's theorem".
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< 1421883681 56328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe it's the generalization of some simpler one.
< 1421883686 832722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i guess we undergraduates got the cut-down version
< 1421883701 962220 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it because it looks like an adjunction.
< 1421883714 9467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd like to understand it.
< 1421883816 173437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably is, somehow.  everything is.
< 1421883847 495421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure.
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< 1421884053 360645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there was this one picture about this d thing: http://mathoverflow.net/a/10586
< 1421884283 262911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm i think i saw something like it in the algebraic topology book
< 1421884300 336616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which i read way after undergrad)
< 1421884331 921844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which book
< 1421884557 477127 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took Analysis II. Spivak's Calculus on Manifolds was the textbook
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< 1421884641 732153 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was hard as hell but I learned a lot
< 1421884754 573887 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm...no wait, it was Analysis on Manifolds
< 1421884786 28777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that Spivak?
< 1421884797 682703 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i can find it...
< 1421884812 364759 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :James R Munkres
< 1421884939 161064 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha! my Analysis I textbook was Spivak's "Calculus"
< 1421885002 614292 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So i confused the two a little
< 1421885091 307512 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Analysis II was very hard but it obviated the need to take othermath courses
< 1421885143 797284 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the end all be all for math prerequisites in CS 
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< 1421885395 891001 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonderif all universities have prereq lists like " 
< 1421885427 411057 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take A and B and C, or just take D. 
< 1421886770 856039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, well most universities probably build on things you learned earlier in your course, yes
< 1421886786 671972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anything i wish mine would do so more thoroughly
< 1421886808 996471 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've lost track of how many modules have gone through the definition and basic properties of a group
< 1421886844 626983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think it may have been massey, i'm too lazy to go down to the parking cellar to find the book and stupid amazon basically has a biography instead of a proper book description
< 1421886926 831149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, it had a final chapter on de rham
< 1421886936 315467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*de rham cohomology
< 1421886980 715824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a cohomology expert, right?
< 1421886983 405270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it homology?
< 1421887022 973964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if by "expert" you mean i once proved some spaces to have trivial homology in a published paper
< 1421887049 588553 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a homology?
< 1421887074 198377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and i guess some others _not_ to have trivial homology, by being very not simply connected
< 1421887095 341890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's a functor from topological spaces to a sequence of groups
< 1421887116 702256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that (very not simply) connected or very not (simply connected)
< 1421887126 293794 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, a sequence of groups form a category?
< 1421887140 812472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a sequence a functors from spaces to groups
< 1421887167 79308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well by trivial product, definitely, although in this case there definitely are connections between them
< 1421887221 475269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but H_0(S) is basically the free abelian group with card(S) generators
< 1421887246 786050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and H_1(S) is the "abelization" of the fundamental group
< 1421887279 195359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the higher groups are more complicated things involving higher dimensional properties of the space
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< 1421887311 625965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but e.g. the circle has H_0(S) = Z and H_1(S) = Z iirc
< 1421887343 608287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while a "contractible space" like a point or ball has both (and all the rest) trivial groups
< 1421887398 499121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the n-sphere generally has most of them trivial but 2 neighboring ones are Z, one further out per dimension
< 1421887411 873875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc which i'm pretty unsure of for the latter
< 1421887435 870730 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting
< 1421887439 452585 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go to bed now
< 1421887440 822945 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1421887444 537706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fact that these are functors allow you to prove things like the jordan curve theorem
< 1421887464 994361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and in fact its higher-dimensional generalization)
< 1421887561 2336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh and it's both, assuming the former implies the latter
< 1421887614 637546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: presumably the former means that it's connected, but in a v. complicated way
< 1421887614 790696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm s/card(S)/card(components of S)/ above there
< 1421887671 130478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well they were connected indeed
< 1421887683 136992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait were they
< 1421887749 431287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm not sure if that was part of it
< 1421887794 49599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had a quotient space that was basically a product of infinitely many circles
< 1421887811 672349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1421887826 473365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it had
< 1421887852 881653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was just one space in particular, the simple topological measures on a torus
< 1421887859 458444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afair
< 1421888013 189236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't remember that the space was necessarily connected
< 1421888056 406639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think we had enough control to say that
< 1421888167 70497 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask mroman You just get a log-normal distribution
< 1421888167 223951 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1421888222 197414 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> while a "contractible space" like a point or ball has both (and all the rest) trivial groups
< 1421888223 879403 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh no
< 1421888231 630226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :H_0 of a point is Z
< 1421888298 346535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :n-sphere has H_0 and H_n isomorphic to Z
< 1421888331 45545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, i get confused about the H_0 vs. reduced H_0 thing
< 1421888348 679417 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :reduced homology is such a weird convention
< 1421888385 146697 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only changes H_0 yet it's treated like a property of the entire sequence of homology groups
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< 1421891063 957910 :^v!~^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed the soak
< 1421891108 506921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what soak
< 1421891232 468687 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says that "nc -e" is dangerous; what dangers are there exactly?
< 1421891362 306549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it safe if the program you are running is safe?
< 1421891388 386545 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The usual dangers with allowing people to connect to your machine and run programs, probably.
< 1421891405 66010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nc here doesn't have -e but its man page has a comment "Be cautious here because opening a port and let anyone connected execute arbitrary command on your site is DANGEROUS."
< 1421891444 197136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the part suggesting how to get around the lack of -e)
< 1421891463 238515 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for curl ... | sh -
< 1421891464 435902 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can't you specify what program you want to run? They won't necessarily execute arbitrary commands in this way isn't it?
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< 1421891595 902747 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: people used to run nc -e /bin/bash anyway.
< 1421891612 318239 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :much like rm -rf /...
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< 1421895087 223842 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41709&oldid=40821 5* 0371.10.94.116 5* (+205) 10/* Print value of cell x as number */
< 1421895558 645620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely we have that already?
< 1421895574 104042 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a tweak if it isn't a bad edit.
< 1421895703 278623 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41710&oldid=41709 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+2) 10/* Print value of cell x as number for ANY sized cell (ie 8bit, 16bit, etc) */ Wrap line
< 1421895766 325622 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421895775 662367 :antelios!~loathiing@73.163.81.118 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421895878 811381 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41711&oldid=41710 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+8) 10/* Print value of cell x as number */ cell size
< 1421895950 347932 :loathiingsmoker!~loathiing@73.163.81.141 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421895980 282607 :loathiingsmoker!~loathiing@73.163.81.141 PART :#esoteric
< 1421896173 495060 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421896209 302076 :antelios!~loathiing@73.163.81.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1421896238 15526 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1421896877 94264 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421896892 996638 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41712&oldid=41711 5* 0371.10.94.116 5* (+254) 10/* Print value of cell x as number for ANY sized cell (ie 8bit, 16bit, etc) */
< 1421896905 240826 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0
< 1421896991 455278 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41713&oldid=41712 5* 0371.10.94.116 5* (+6) 10/* Print value of cell x as number for ANY sized cell (ie 8bit, 16bit, etc) */
< 1421897068 414092 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:<
< 1421897363 768257 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f81c-109.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1421897769 197895 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the ::bb:: thing for bolding would work for irc
< 1421897805 385071 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it
< 1421897815 698596 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :::b::
< 1421897820 466475 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot
< 1421897864 41670 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
< 1421897889 968371 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Place to use bots?
< 1421897904 61048 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :not here though
< 1421897918 594885 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#bots?
< 1421897923 796913 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1421897953 342488 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was jsut guessing since I figured that's how channel names worked.
< 1421897965 378098 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then joined right before you.
< 1421898037 245529 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41714&oldid=41713 5* 0371.10.94.116 5* (+58) 10/* Print value of cell x as number for ANY sized cell (ie 8bit, 16bit, etc) */
< 1421898042 495477 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421898207 859600 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41715&oldid=41714 5* 0371.10.94.116 5* (+193) 10/* Print value of cell x as number for ANY sized cell (ie 8bit, 16bit, etc) */
< 1421898261 60587 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stares around
< 1421898432 185388 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f81c-109.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421898533 376155 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10^10^100
< 1421898555 371225 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm where's that calculation bot
< 1421898588 137068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: bold is triggered with a ctrl-B character, you probably need to escape it in your client somehow to insert it
< 1421898627 521353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you didn't see bold in bold there, your client doesn't support it)
< 1421898649 386681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1421898649 539825 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1421898666 710956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: your calculation may be timing out
< 1421898682 602734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, why hasn't it already
< 1421898686 5195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10^100
< 1421898687 369593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000...
< 1421898691 833474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10^10^100
< 1421898709 27044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1421898711 927818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2
< 1421898713 345511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2
< 1421898730 752403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = f(n+1) in f 1
< 1421898734 484683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1421898757 341767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that timed out, 10^10^100 must be doing something that gets even that to fail
< 1421898806 652557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask int-e do you know why > 10^10^100 times out without giving any message?
< 1421898806 805769 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1421898855 359877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It happens in GMP, I guess?
< 1421898860 965800 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421898863 250967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10^1000000000000
< 1421898864 262549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about uninterruptible calls or who knows.
< 1421898873 555511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It behaves differently in ghci too.
< 1421898878 874042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1421898897 420897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically GMP doesn't give any error on overflow?
< 1421898904 76549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What overflow?
< 1421898918 516598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't that be larger than memory size?
< 1421898928 131962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^) uses repeated squaring
< 1421898942 38096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the _result_ is still larger than memory size, eventually
< 1421898952 573860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but presumably it times out before reaching that.
< 1421898958 598117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why
< 1421898964 130700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^) is implemented in Haskell
< 1421898966 595378 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1421898968 813423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just using GMP multiplication.
< 1421898969 862523 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 
< 1421898976 916184 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :10^10^100
< 1421898981 589250 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a googolplex
< 1421898987 267372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: i know it is large
< 1421898994 604976 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't think any bot can handle that
< 1421899001 145009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even...
< 1421899003 113396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googlebot?
< 1421899016 163276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: well it couldn't handle 10^1000000000000 either
< 1421899045 134451 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit
< 1421899051 827418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i was trying to make big enough to outrun memory, but not by too many magnitudes
< 1421899070 382538 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :300^300^3000
< 1421899073 624105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1e5 :: Integer
< 1421899074 719573 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Real.Fractional GHC.Integer.Type.Integer)
< 1421899074 872714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from the literal ‘1e5’
< 1421899086 11693 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :e5 isn't that big
< 1421899086 617047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it doesn't have your extension :(
< 1421899107 284162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: i was just checking if it could use e-notation for Integers
< 1421899110 228787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was about to complain to int-e
< 1421899115 586486 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1e1 :: Integer
< 1421899116 633236 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Real.Fractional GHC.Integer.Type.Integer)
< 1421899116 786648 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from the literal ‘1e1’
< 1421899118 954973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf made an extension to ghc for it
< 1421899119 108122 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1421899120 903167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x :: Integer; x = 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 in x*x
< 1421899121 961071 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0
< 1421899125 129686 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus
< 1421899126 916795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkmate
< 1421899135 285027 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not fair
< 1421899136 888361 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This website has profiles that let users have an about string. If no about string is entered, it defaults to "I love Internet Explorer."
< 1421899137 41630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, i forgot the 1 at the beginning
< 1421899142 849789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: *cough*
< 1421899145 947223 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also shachaf 
< 1421899162 727356 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementing the e isn't hard 
< 1421899175 191787 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it work?
< 1421899183 944938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you even doing, Lilax
< 1421899197 961166 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :The work of god
< 1421899198 859991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i sincerely doubt it errors out at anything that small, sine i've calculated factorials of numbers > 100000 before
< 1421899215 339926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, that's not very many bits at all
< 1421899240 99821 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many bits can lambdabot handle before a crash
< 1421899246 568641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what i thought was happening was a timeout in gmp code
< 1421899255 650106 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10^10^6
< 1421899257 652027 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000...
< 1421899264 573448 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :10^10^6 * 10^10^6
< 1421899270 180530 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10^10^6 * 10^10^6
< 1421899272 12012 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000...
< 1421899285 167597 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10^10^12
< 1421899336 983987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so what's with tensors twh
< 1421899338 520922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10^10^9
< 1421899367 739630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (6, 10^10^6)
< 1421899368 63631 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like listening to physicists is the worst way to learn things
< 1421899369 289091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (6,1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000...
< 1421899377 808400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (7, 10^10^7)
< 1421899380 526614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (7,1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000...
< 1421899387 38591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (8, 10^10^8)
< 1421899391 161695 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1421899399 344955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah an actual timeout
< 1421899412 336499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (9, 10^10^9)
< 1421899437 627587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's weird then
< 1421899457 81247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length (show (10^10^7))
< 1421899462 978495 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1421899463 131704 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: signalProcess: permission denied (Operation not permitted)
< 1421899468 249046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1421899471 522670 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tensor means a vector, matrix, or any number of dimensions
< 1421899490 650989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length (show (10^10^7))
< 1421899494 97385 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10000001
< 1421899497 720567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length (show (10^10^8))
< 1421899503 40566 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1421899503 193853 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: signalProcess: permission denied (Operation not permitted)
< 1421899505 923606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length (show (10^10^9))
< 1421899523 635735 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :No because
< 1421899543 436313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: i keep being told that's a terrible definition
< 1421899544 415755 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the 10^10^8 - 9 areas
< 1421899554 22277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :except by physicists, and who trusts them
< 1421899555 570478 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is to near googol
< 1421899567 755716 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :plex*
< 1421899581 250728 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1421899583 765595 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm dumb
< 1421899592 636306 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I apparently can't read
< 1421899607 968319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 10 * 10^8
< 1421899609 418937 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.321928094887363e8
< 1421899616 888756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 10 * 10^9
< 1421899618 247957 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.3219280948873625e9
< 1421899640 305406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's around a gigabit
< 1421899665 980504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 256 10 * 10^9
< 1421899667 368637 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4.152410118609203e8
< 1421899671 306858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that second result was enlightening hth
< 1421899710 766969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but less than a gigabyte
< 1421899919 650281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you can take tensor products of vector spaces, that's a start
< 1421900001 733389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the tensor product of two vector spaces is defined by the universal property wrt. bilinear maps from them
< 1421900002 253730 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length (show (2^2^26))
< 1421900003 732788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those are defined as a left adjoint to the internal hom
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< 1421900017 295864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what you said, which is p. close to the same thing
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< 1421900042 314133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr something like all universal properties are adjoints
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< 1421900064 860706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you look at them the right way
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< 1421900118 264313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, we're talking about a slightly different one here, with (A ⊸ (B ⊸ C)) ~ (A ⊗ B ⊸ C)
< 1421900128 161086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the same idea at any rate
< 1421900148 531881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a linear map from the tensor product is like a bilinear map from the cartesian product. or something
< 1421900182 790537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is nicer than talking about multidimensional arrays but doesn't give me much intuition
< 1421900231 62285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see a number of blank squares, and am not sure if you mean them all to be tensor products because then you're just saying associativity
< 1421900243 682218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A -o (B -o C)) ~ (A (x) B -o C)
< 1421900248 140430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where -o is linear map
< 1421900280 254081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1421900314 842342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose the left is the same as the set of bilinear maps from A and B to C
< 1421900319 152492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1421900338 942479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny because usually you define the cartesian product first and then define exponentials in terms of it
< 1421900341 937124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in a category)
< 1421900348 829279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but here you start with the internal hom
< 1421900378 513783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not a CCC
< 1421900390 797325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a MCC?
< 1421900402 309594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so?
< 1421900438 370218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, so i should get some intuition for this operation
< 1421900444 903012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the subspaces of hilbert spaces are said to satisfy the orthomodular law
< 1421900457 324780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. they say that if V and W are n- and m- dimensional, V(x)W is nm-dimensional
< 1421900481 614823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you know for that looking at bases might actually be simplest
< 1421900532 95521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a basis for V(x)W can simply be pairs of basis elements for V and W
< 1421900565 281896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you can check that that fulfils the universal property
< 1421900667 99613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes some sense, since it's linear in both of them separately
< 1421900770 556454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :might wonder if you can show point-freely that the tensor product of the free vector spaces on sets S and T is a free vector space on S x T
< 1421900800 854735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps that holds more generally than vector spaces
< 1421900837 490031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION leaves this to you as the CT expert btw
< 1421900894 516034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the "more general" version of tensor product
< 1421900915 479793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :left adjoint to the internal hom?
< 1421900933 845123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there's no general definition of internal hom
< 1421900939 224061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that doesn't worka
< 1421900942 765402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.$//
< 1421900971 365099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but you could assume that it exists and try to prove it from that?
< 1421900984 843835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what properties would it have
< 1421900995 772490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you're not taking any ol' monoidal category
< 1421901016 349852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is actually rather weak on monoidal categories hth hth
< 1421901047 898544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is hth associative
< 1421901050 242669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a group action
< 1421901052 773974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1421901069 852515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep forgetting that the script doesn't work with actions
< 1421901080 76382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you just turn the script off twh
< 1421901122 477574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's crazy talk
< 1421901127 792890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway monoidal category just means you have a "product" bifunctor with an identity in the obvious way
< 1421901171 993539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway for the inner hom you want exponentials no?
< 1421901209 633139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, exponentials are right adjoint to cartesian product
< 1421901216 120958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean categorical product. whatever it's called
< 1421901219 942333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the same as tensor product
< 1421901223 382428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1421901225 15641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for this case, at least)
< 1421901296 472138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe it's not easy to generalize
< 1421901327 671599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be a good generalization if it is
< 1421901467 190930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, so this tensor product thing exists, great
< 1421901549 524460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an tensor on V is defined to be V(x)V(x)...(x)V(x)V(x)V*(x)V*(x)...(x)V*(x)V*
< 1421901564 389285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :an (n,m)-tensor, where the number of Vs is n and the number of V*s is m
< 1421901586 318152 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My understanding is: basically the tensor has two types of indexes, the covariant ones which are summed over upon application, and the contravariant which are not.
< 1421901610 778130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo one step at a time
< 1421901622 736870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are indexes and application and summing and so on
< 1421901642 768872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he's referring to einstein notation
< 1421901651 693987 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :indexes are the dimensions of the multidimensional array
< 1421901654 174316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is _very_ coordinate based
< 1421901665 793640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not talking about multidimensional arrays right now hth
< 1421901667 363670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also does implicit summation
< 1421901676 108577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :einstein notation always looked like scow to me anyway
< 1421901687 442991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but einstein...
< 1421901693 610762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a convenient notation when you're doing things but not convenient for figuring out what they mean
< 1421901729 275966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so V* = (V -> F), where F is our field, right?
< 1421901744 211257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do we distinguish between covariant and contravariant Vs, given that they're isomorphic?
< 1421901748 868630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but not naturally)
< 1421901787 630339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: because you want V and V* to live in the tangent bundle on a manifold
< 1421901817 405750 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the covariant ones are summed over, like the horizontal of a matrix,but the contravariant ones remain in the result, like the vertical of a matrix
< 1421901820 306569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically distinguishing allows to express physics equations so they _are_ natural
< 1421901839 505537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: what's with the matrices hth
< 1421901855 205699 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrix is a (1,1) tensor
< 1421901866 387969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: please don't provoke shachaf with this low-level intuition twh hth
< 1421901896 673661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's how i learnt about tensors first myself, but still i don't think it's what he's after)
< 1421901903 883755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a (1,1) tensor -- i.e. an element of V(x)V* -- is a linear map
< 1421901910 53670 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1421901914 230232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's a linear map : V* -o V
< 1421901926 982653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, : V -o V
< 1421901929 186391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, V -o V
< 1421901937 435871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a linear map : V -o W a tensor?
< 1421901953 557968 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1421901960 368448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of tensor?
< 1421902046 109315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :V*(x)W obviously
< 1421902067 803611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a tensor product, sure, but it's not a tensor, is it?
< 1421902082 197085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am unsure of the nomenclature here
< 1421902085 666555 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (1,1). the (n,m) tells you nothing about the size of the dimensions only their number
< 1421902096 47182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensor_(intrinsic_definition)
< 1421902148 778031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also say that an (n,m) tensor is a multilinear map : V x ...m... x V x V* x ...n... x V* -> F
< 1421902159 308652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you switch which spaces are dual to keep the same variance
< 1421902207 89941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do we go from (V -o V) to (V (x) (V -o F))?
< 1421902450 893564 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a linear map from V to F would be a (0,1) tensor
< 1421902460 782893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: use the bilinear map that is simply application of the functional to the vector?
< 1421902486 271161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1421902497 409308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinking backwards
< 1421902575 951193 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a vector is a (1,0) tensor. so V (x) (V -o F) would be a (1,1) tensor (the dimensions add)
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< 1421902827 309151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if -o is the notation for a linear map then the notation for a multilinear map must be -ꙮ
< 1421902863 645028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think you might need to use V** ~ V in there
< 1421902879 286727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i don't think it is true for infinite dimensional spaces
< 1421902895 330770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1421903000 142858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(V -o V)   (V -o ((V -o F) -o F))   ((V (x) (V -o F)) -o F)
< 1421903006 838103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh my internet connection is a class-E scow right now
< 1421903070 706899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway going from that last thing to V* (x) V is presumably pretty straightforward
< 1421903080 489607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE
< 1421903092 224846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may not have the brain for this
< 1421903138 306299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're p. helpful so far tdh hth
< 1421903147 86663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw
< 1421903157 891514 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But multiplying a (0,1) tensor and a (1,0) will only give you linear maps where all the components of result are linear to each other 
< 1421903171 879668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's multiplying tensors
< 1421903209 809707 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you multiply all components with each other
< 1421903213 914874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking the paired basis elements, basically
< 1421903221 238199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's components
< 1421903225 95058 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers
< 1421903230 308273 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :n F
< 1421903247 981481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we somehow talking about multidimensional arrays again
< 1421903273 329036 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously... the tensor product is defined in terms of numbers
< 1421903284 670018 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the field F
< 1421903300 275030 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :over which your vector space is defined
< 1421903326 805287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :look we defined the tensor product already
< 1421903333 584249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a universal property
< 1421903339 48785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and paired basis elements on top of that
< 1421903341 953757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no numbers in sight
< 1421903419 771138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so i believe that a (1,1) tensor is a linear map : V -o V
< 1421903447 401493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that if you choose bases or coordinates or whatever then each element of the matrix corresponds to one pair of basis elements?
< 1421903459 168159 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly... 
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< 1421903849 787021 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you could define the basis of the space of (1,1) tensors, as the set of linear maps which project onto the ith basis and scale the jth basis by the result...
< 1421903914 837185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did oerjan leave due to lack of brain :'(
< 1421903970 354002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :previous statement not intended in the rude way that an observer without context might interpret it hth
< 1421903977 419377 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :symbollically... E_ij(v) = (v . e_i)e_j 
< 1421904001 476335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do these symbols mean hth
< 1421904002 869486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i only had a brain
< 1421904081 467242 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... E_ij is the i,jth basis element for the set of (1,1) tensors, e_i is the ith element of the basis of V, v is a  arbitrary vector, . is a dot product
< 1421904126 58640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, don't you write e_i^j or something
< 1421904150 973359 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's for components of tensors
< 1421904177 85993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so what's E
< 1421904200 105190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok you're just talking about matrices here
< 1421904205 949183 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :E is a list of basis elements for the set of (1,1) tensors
< 1421904211 684233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1421904282 436488 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm basically showing we can create a basis for the (1,1) tensors from a basis for the vectors
< 1421904345 233677 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although really i dunno whther such construction can be made general
< 1421904529 435578 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the idea is, use the functions f_i(v) = (v . e_i) as a basis for the (0,1) tensors, given that e_i form a basis for the (1,0) tensors... 
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< 1421904934 717921 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the tricky bit is proving that given a basis B for the (n,m) tensors and a basis E for the (k,l) tensors, that the products of each member of B with each member of E form a basis for (k+n,m+l) tensors 
< 1421904964 527752 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1421904991 372630 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in using the matrix notation for tensors we are essentially assuming that the above is true
< 1421905842 71746 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1421906313 943870 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am confuse
< 1421906708 913410 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, I am too
< 1421907080 627587 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://is.gd/k2NuAY 
< 1421907097 729446 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had made 20 pancakes
< 1421907124 631323 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :-had 
< 1421908113 166434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION expected picture of pancakes and was disappointed
< 1421908218 297665 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Pancake_Stack
< 1421908229 627736 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1421908257 726398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :STILL NO PANCAKES
< 1421908270 114075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq4287y4CJ1qmqpiro1_1280.jpg hth
< 1421908380 917029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does someone want a pancake / while we've still got 'em?
< 1421908392 213189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 
< 1421908448 911504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you missed your cue hth
< 1421908492 115245 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nuttygod.tumblr.com/image/108806826655
< 1421908494 974795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :still missing it twh
< 1421908496 953881 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's an English-like esolang that isn't a BF derivative!
< 1421908499 260311 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about that
< 1421908502 305674 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways
< 1421908507 248089 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye so I made pancakes
< 1421908518 351806 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't eat any of them
< 1421908521 180151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you forgot to make the proper rhyme hth
< 1421908527 994548 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if could make language that looks stack based but is really BF
< 1421908543 94081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait is this a reference to something
< 1421908552 747352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you just linked it
< 1421908558 434602 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1421908570 764190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh tdh
< 1421908588 445810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my accent must be incompatbile with that
< 1421908596 518166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ible
< 1421908645 914900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly it works in no accent known to man
< 1421908651 488818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't know
< 1421908671 525360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: i'm missing emperor palpatine somewhere between 2 and 3
< 1421908697 518044 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a flaw in the Swedish language in one small town where yes is pronounced as a sharp intake of breath
< 1421908715 968230 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :,in one*
< 1421908723 292865 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man my english is bad
< 1421908737 237768 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grammatical skills for typing
< 1421908738 89842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more than just one small town and wasn't this discussed earlier?
< 1421908756 208351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you cannot call it a "flaw" that's not how language works
< 1421908771 429535 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1421908782 44041 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it discussed earlier?
< 1421908793 251352 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was in just one part of Sweden
< 1421908809 901414 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :But.. Why a sharp intake for yes.
< 1421908861 350327 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: In India they bobble their heads side to side for yes
< 1421908872 820638 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: In India they bobble their heads side to side for yes
< 1421908875 808695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well _someone_ a few days ago asked me if i pronounced yes like that
< 1421908897 600910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't.  also i'm norwegian if anyone's confused.)
< 1421908912 352452 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1421908916 910701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm also norwegian if no one's confused, but i find that unlikely.)
< 1421908918 499766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you answer by moving your head twh
< 1421908930 912624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i don't remember
< 1421908942 287009 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421908979 185940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my response head movements are pretty normal for a western european
< 1421908980 212658 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes is Norwegian is ja
< 1421908986 740963 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no probably
< 1421908997 290669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: it's ja in swedish too
< 1421909004 990905 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say 'ya' in english too
< 1421909023 817414 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pronounce exclamations
< 1421909028 633600 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why.
< 1421909092 767914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: btw the sharp intake is supposed to be simultaneous with a "ja" hth
< 1421909098 106369 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ya' sounds like no in japanese though
< 1421909131 745567 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you have to be exactly on point with puncuation in Japanese
< 1421909146 70411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1421909150 969309 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ixk
< 1421909153 467186 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk*
< 1421909160 726327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: isn't that word so impolite that they almost never use it
< 1421909195 638043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, what happened to the unicode haiku
< 1421909237 964636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote HIRAGANA
< 1421909238 766947 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1421909272 25480 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, generally no in Japanese is u-un or iie, but in a dramatic situation IYA! is the word you shout 
< 1421909296 868768 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you hear it a lot in anime and dramas etc.
< 1421909359 131535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is it gone?
< 1421909373 591598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? haiku
< 1421909374 608371 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haiku? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1421909381 861773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes
< 1421909392 894125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe someone thought it was gibberish
< 1421909420 162679 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is gibberish with a hard or soft g?
< 1421909456 257802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1421909490 862375 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its
< 1421909507 365060 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pronounced in my understand jib-er-ish
< 1421909523 29989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only english had glottal stops
< 1421909533 973178 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye
< 1421909538 426088 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are those again
< 1421909577 260986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it have them before vowels
< 1421909594 19816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i read jib-er-ish as if it had glottal stops
< 1421909662 226970 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there is a glottal stop in the english uh-oh...
< 1421909672 524204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also one in the english up and over
< 1421909675 168003 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1421909688 623553 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :self- word here
< 1421909689 994905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok only at the beginning of words hth
< 1421909756 227298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo the system where it's another consonant is better
< 1421910017 568101 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the system where every letter is accented and is a vowel
< 1421910177 260006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i cannot find any relevant removal less than 19 months old hth
< 1421910246 467801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how about greater than or equal to 19 months old twh
< 1421910264 888476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish
< 1421910368 136499 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1421910375 555647 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream
< 1421910832 140621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :make the 24 months hth
< 1421910835 319967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that
< 1421910870 355613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/rev/85805e0c2335
< 1421911144 801081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that's not evidence that it was a quote
< 1421911154 654447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was never added
< 1421911217 341926 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would say he has successfully been advertised to... for a product that doesn't currently exist
< 1421911244 677262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limonana hth
< 1421911270 381975 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know that thing you linked exists.
< 1421911296 199888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you read the history twh
< 1421911321 555660 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twh?
< 1421911328 507283 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1421911340 463505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would help
< 1421911341 614034 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would help?
< 1421911385 23189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ah that proves i've search far enough back...
< 1421911398 703690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote swede
< 1421911399 458645 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :357) <olsner> as always in sweden everything goes to a fixed pattern: thursday is queueing at systembolaget to get beer and schnaps, friday is pickled herring, schnaps and dancing the frog dance around the phallos, saturday is dedicated to being hung over \ 654) <Phantom_Hoover> (I vehemently oppose the SNP because they want closer ties with Sweden
< 1421911405 830441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1421911409 314146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ꙮ
< 1421911410 18822 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1138) <shachaf> A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric."
< 1421911416 926973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i was thinking of that one
< 1421911485 193668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ꙮ is my best accomplishment of the day
< 1421911504 605061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to write a linear algbera book to popularize it
< 1421911511 176178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll also throw in some monad analogies
< 1421911558 34120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :first you have to make it show up properly in clients hth
< 1421911590 371463 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421911641 613158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shows up properly in proper clients and improperly in improper clients hth
< 1421911668 312808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish
< 1421911689 426735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do, perhaps, include putty in the setup
< 1421911778 131026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode [MAHJONG TILE AUTUMN][HIRAGANA LETTER YA][SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW]
< 1421911779 663377 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0000 <control> \ UTF-8: 00  UTF-16BE: 0000  Decimal: &#0; \ . \ Category: Cc (Other, Control) \ Bidi: BN (Boundary Neutral) \  \ U+0001 <control> \ UTF-8: 01  UTF-16BE: 0001  Decimal:  \ . \ Category: Cc (Other, Control) \ Bidi: BN (Boundary Neutral) \  \ U+0002 <control> \ UTF-8: 02  UTF-16BE: 0002  Decimal:  \  \ Category: Cc (Other, C
< 1421911783 787664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff
< 1421911793 767574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode [MAHJONG TILE AUTUMN]
< 1421911795 36709 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0000 <control> \ UTF-8: 00  UTF-16BE: 0000  Decimal: &#0; \ . \ Category: Cc (Other, Control) \ Bidi: BN (Boundary Neutral) \  \ U+0001 <control> \ UTF-8: 01  UTF-16BE: 0001  Decimal:  \ . \ Category: Cc (Other, Control) \ Bidi: BN (Boundary Neutral) \  \ U+0002 <control> \ UTF-8: 02  UTF-16BE: 0002  Decimal:  \  \ Category: Cc (Other, C
< 1421911800 931406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode MAHJONG TILE AUTUMN
< 1421911801 829130 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​🀨
< 1421911819 964854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode HIRAGANA LETTER YA
< 1421911820 752673 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​や
< 1421911839 70043 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: monads are ꙮ? probably one of the best monad analogies around
< 1421911840 70340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
< 1421911840 974917 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⛄
< 1421911856 999823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, hi olsner
< 1421911869 121959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*slash*
< 1421911869 992764 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/slashes \ bin/slashlearn
< 1421911895 871157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, you have an adjunction, so you do get a monad of some sort there.
< 1421911910 436647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slashlearn haiku/🀨や⛄
< 1421911912 888351 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «haiku»
< 1421911923 934884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? haiku
< 1421911924 811820 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​🀨や⛄
< 1421911937 121358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't you missing a character there
< 1421911942 275555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe my client is improper
< 1421911952 6716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see the last one either
< 1421911958 758915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⛄
< 1421911966 62197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a scow
< 1421911971 774229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i'd finally made it work
< 1421911992 48153 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there's an adjunction in ꙮ? what does that even mean
< 1421912010 873799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, defining the tensor product.
< 1421912034 517752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you weren't around earlier.
< 1421912039 422091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use A -o B to mean a linear map
< 1421912048 390701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I decided to use A -ꙮ B to mean a multilinear map
< 1421912186 467692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode ⊸
< 1421912187 346827 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+22B8 MULTIMAP]
< 1421912195 98461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently unicode has a different use in mind for that character
< 1421912234 757729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that limonana is some effective marketing
< 1421912252 752130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: would you like a glass hth
< 1421912279 504412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid i'm very fond of lemon
< 1421912282 373547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not
< 1421912292 677231 :chaosagent!~quassel@98.210.97.139 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1421912295 201487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose the appropriate acronym to end that question with was "wth"
< 1421912296 183296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can pour some on my fingers, they obviously like it
< 1421912311 549290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you fond of nana
< 1421912332 97597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly
< 1421912381 854440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'TIL THE WHITE ROSE BLOOMS AGAAAAIN...
< 1421912387 96413 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421912395 382705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you really learn that today hth
< 1421912424 436449 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, http://www.pagetable.com/?p=774 - apparently basic for 6502 was written in PDP-10 assembly, with macros to trick it into generating 6502 code instead
< 1421912426 71174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no i've known that song for years?
< 1421912466 483421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke was how i read the first word of your sentence hth
< 1421912475 152745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1421912484 495952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*TILL
< 1421912528 316877 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a difference in meaning between till and until?
< 1421912545 247765 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :You put money in one?
< 1421912546 889657 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 'til
< 1421912562 367649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: not that i know of.
< 1421912563 734151 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks glguy
< 1421912564 492293 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, glguy. Thuy.
< 1421912623 522854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow that doesn't seem appropriate like an appropriate `thanking
< 1421912674 771545 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you read glguy as a single syllable, with glg as a consonant cluster or the spelling of a weird consonant, that works I think
< 1421912693 409916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks shachaf
< 1421912694 183584 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, shachaf. Thachaf.
< 1421913271 508158 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks olsner
< 1421913272 207263 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, olsner. Tholsner.
< 1421913365 28612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks cranks
< 1421913365 686045 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, cranks. Thanks.
< 1421913394 356735 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks thanks
< 1421913395 114503 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, thanks. Thanks.
< 1421913863 145651 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421914492 984469 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1421914520 876344 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421915359 159543 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:4:: QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1421915991 286376 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1421916677 235694 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxzfakdmkejcmxpl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1421916747 117505 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-roosykjjsejrzzyv QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1421916762 164324 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ajtlyphfoveytkxr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1421916801 131379 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1421916845 940325 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tbloculsmwztspbc JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421917114 937005 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tbloculsmwztspbc QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1421917146 417980 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hubsprjfiepqvumo JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421917496 610437 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hgmrwlxdfouskbrb JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421917607 940069 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xujkygnpprxxajlo JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421917800 323131 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-grhxdqycxrhokwgo JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421918773 568317 :jameseb-!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io NICK :jameseb
< 1421919097 952891 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421919321 767030 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xujkygnpprxxajlo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1421920293 486055 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1421921593 634614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1421925420 807316 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421927851 553271 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1421927936 242107 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421928427 715879 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421928670 601771 :yeah_right!c1db0a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.219.10.130 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421928671 584303 :vapse!c1db0c34@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.219.12.52 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421928676 774363 :yeah_right!c1db0a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.219.10.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1421928703 583239 :yeah_right!c1db0a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.219.10.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :need some explanation about solving one shit, who can help me?
< 1421928743 637286 :yeah_right!c1db0a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.219.10.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/ERVFrrx.png 
< 1421928748 682923 :yeah_right!c1db0a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.219.10.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to solve his shit
< 1421929053 280570 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1421929359 516774 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is that from?
< 1421929381 792156 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeahello_right. it's a canal. and the sky is gray.
< 1421929387 877092 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the sky is graaaayyy ♪)
< 1421929405 845430 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ETERNAL CHICKEN
< 1421929596 219220 :yeah_right!c1db0a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.219.10.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its  from geocaching task
< 1421929699 386304 :yeah_right!c1db0a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.219.10.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily get lost
< 1421929907 470498 :yeah_right!c1db0a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.219.10.130 PART :#esoteric
< 1421930273 8929 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> -1 `mod` 5
< 1421930274 399662 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1
< 1421930277 238023 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap
< 1421930336 112900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-1) `mod` 5
< 1421930337 326979 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4
< 1421930345 865842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell sucks
< 1421930367 940401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that parses as -(1 `mod` 5)
< 1421930370 624081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours I mean
< 1421930788 586611 :vapse!c1db0c34@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.219.12.52 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1421930993 978811 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1421930999 833621 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wai
< 1421931004 623483 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-1) `mod` 5
< 1421931006 4701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4
< 1421931007 424718 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz
< 1421931013 208851 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell suckz modz
< 1421931446 253755 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421932205 985907 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421932284 70411 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1421932412 820790 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio
< 1421933766 88905 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1421934082 708198 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421934312 65082 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1421934958 177876 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1421934963 664445 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421934964 960837 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude
< 1421935286 966282 :TieSleep!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul
< 1421935520 570705 :nairanvac!~nairanvac@107.0.93.114 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421935727 309665 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Exercise: make identifiers as general as possible (but no more so)"
< 1421935842 287643 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-012-191-057.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Context?
< 1421935888 895912 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421935916 16703 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let thing = 42, process x = x+23 in process (process thing)
< 1421935917 90076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:15: parse error on input ‘,’
< 1421935922 197938 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let thing = 42; process x = x+23 in process (process thing)
< 1421935923 748382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 88
< 1421935951 635546 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough beans
< 1421935975 130091 :nairanvac!~nairanvac@107.0.93.114 PART #esoteric :"(Byrd IRC Client // haxed.net)"
< 1421935978 323315 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe "thing" is too general and it should be "number" instead. I'm not sure.
< 1421935982 743868 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421935991 917525 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qtnkeibdwqkauvxk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421936020 869130 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qtnkeibdwqkauvxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man i2p is weird
< 1421936070 544774 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar, it's from my uni course
< 1421936099 464175 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qtnkeibdwqkauvxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Taneb 
< 1421936104 502159 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qtnkeibdwqkauvxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :o/
< 1421936116 705705 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qtnkeibdwqkauvxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also bye
< 1421936162 463055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421936167 774440 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1421936172 227213 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> all (\b -> ap (==) reverse $ showIntAtBase b ("012"!!) 24014998963383302600955162866787153652444049 "") [2,3]
< 1421936173 625617 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : True
< 1421936207 326817 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm out of disk space.
< 1421936458 921031 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a new one... (spam) "I got your email address from the yahoo tourist search [...]"
< 1421936482 230975 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::r
< 1421936491 129649 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1421936535 763940 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... US$8.500,000.00 ... <-- the two decimal points are a cute touch.
< 1421936562 457629 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently that's a stock phrase
< 1421936568 160539 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google "yahoo tourist search"
< 1421936569 676529 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://419.bittenus.com/9/5/musawalter.html
< 1421936569 829879 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: musa walter: I GOT YOUR CONTACT FROM YAHOO TOURIST SEARCH
< 1421936714 175682 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow I got a lot of those today, I should add the figures
< 1421937021 603324 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (4.2 + 8.5 * 0.4 + 10.5 * 0.4 + 7.3 * 0.3, 25 + 10.6) -- the latter two didn't say anything about how much I get to keep
< 1421937023 17608 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (13.99,35.6)
< 1421937031 303810 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's in Million USD, of course.
< 1421937037 490220 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good day.
< 1421937052 25616 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better check that the offers are not exclusive
< 1421937069 115700 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all exclusive and confidential of course.
< 1421937081 89139 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1421937082 726117 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so damn, I guess I no longer qualify.
< 1421937136 355332 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's an exception; the 4.2 figure is one of those refund-for-scammed-people fund meta-scams)
< 1421937180 595727 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I didn't mention the 450k Euro I won from google.
< 1421937190 118408 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should take one of those other scams so that you can qualify for the refund scam
< 1421937275 373834 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1421937437 211396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it says $8.500,000.00, not $8,500,000.00
< 1421937438 967431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite different
< 1421937444 109395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would receive $8.50
< 1421937492 463019 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and I both know that's not what they meant :P
< 1421937533 16372 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote :r
< 1421937534 669443 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1421937539 619354 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote quote
< 1421937540 607318 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :27) <oklopol> i can get an erection out of a plank, you can quote me on that. \ 65) Note that quote number 124 is not actually true. \ 71) <ais523> let's put that in the HackEgo quotes files, just to completely mystify anyone who looks back along them in the future \ 124) <cpressey> Never ever use a quote which contains both the words "aloofness" a
< 1421937550 815191 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1421937576 178886 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be quotes about meta-quotes .
< 1421937577 685661 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 124
< 1421937578 703935 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :124) <cpressey> Never ever use a quote which contains both the words "aloofness" and "gel" (verb).
< 1421937599 976483 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote meta
< 1421937600 795133 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :308) <Sgeo> I was more of a pervert in Metaplace than Utherverse  <Sgeo> I invented Metaplace sex >.> \ 358) <oerjan> i never meta turing.  he died before i was born. \ 359) <elliott> oerjan: can you delete that and the meta turing completeness page  <elliott> thanks  <oerjan> elliott: IN UNIVERSO ALTERNATIVO, OERJAN PAGINAS DELET \ 511) <ais523> o
< 1421937628 747384 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 511
< 1421937629 397166 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :511) <ais523> oh no, I think we've managed to mix three metaphors in a way that actually makes sense
< 1421937642 265825 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like fun
< 1421937776 114894 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote rummy
< 1421937777 161365 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :431) <Taneb> So it's like... Rummy mixed with... breakout?
< 1421937849 617528 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/KeLuKeLuGames/status/557226441838833665/photo/1
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< 1421939631 567874 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, IN UNIVERSO ALTERNATIVO, OERJAN PAGINAS DELET
< 1421939632 22691 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what's a typeclass? :) htmlprag?! :(". this isn't; it calls out to rand(3).
< 1421939633 18368 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rapid E-Learning"
< 1421939634 61168 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1421939738 415179 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml><w:WordDocument>
< 1421939738 872867 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ummm...i dont know. ummm.....thats what i had in mind when considering the finer points of old crotch blended highland scotch whiskey.)
< 1421939775 551935 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :great reply.
< 1421940280 168320 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421941015 369809 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421941400 719268 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so you enjoy whiskey eh
< 1421941401 15751 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: but im watching so much sicp stuff that im too young to even be aware of it
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< 1421942046 52657 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
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< 1421943352 402962 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Largest_artificial_non-nuclear_explosions
< 1421943357 409156 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure gotta love wikipedia
< 1421943673 111428 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kinda wondering about the largest known natural non-nuclear explosions.
< 1421943693 748921 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm farily sure stuff like exploding suns in nuclear.
< 1421943696 324390 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1421943725 705024 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANd I don't think colliding planets qualifies as an explosion so much as things smashing each other.
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< 1421944782 5168 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PART #esoteric :"Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"
< 1421944992 101071 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The distinction between natural and artificial things seems pretty artificial.
< 1421945079 658874 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: http://abstrusegoose.com/215
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< 1421949888 22478 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'mthinking what distinctions artificial stuff could be the same as what distinguishes art. Its production relies heavily on the use of imagination to project an invisioned goal.
< 1421950017 833977 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my definition of art is anything made by humans which can be appreciated aesthetically (even if the appreciation is not pleasurable)
< 1421950305 540724 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figure art used to have a more general meaning, hence terms like artillery and technical arts.
< 1421950343 953887 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :art originally meant the same as artifice
< 1421950373 355331 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thoght it was jsut the root word of it.
< 1421950395 978589 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1421950435 559756 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but art might include the utilitarian work of a blacksmith (still might in some contexts)
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< 1421950930 916482 :oren!~oren@user231-172.wireless.utoronto.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421950942 477717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 9858 was renamed so my email client didn't show me the replies to it in the same thread
< 1421950958 257418 :S1!~S1@p4FF9258D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421951003 2486 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I need to check the e-mail address on trac...
< 1421951048 649929 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as suspected, I don't have one. fun.
< 1421951058 340627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, ccing myself on Trac emails is completely useless, because I'm already susbscribed to ghc-tickets.
< 1421951094 619203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the email doesn't look any different, so my filters still filter it away.
< 1421951106 808823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not useless because adding yourself to cc is a way of expressing interest.
< 1421951133 876929 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny though, I though ghc's trac used to send me emails...
< 1421951292 40242 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me the really interesting bit about 9858 is that it requires Typeable instances for (non-data) kinds. That's a new thing, I think.
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< 1421951324 814684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ghc even polykinded enough for that?
< 1421951326 413811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, though they can already be StandaloneDerived.
< 1421951333 320051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you express :k Typeable?
< 1421951351 590350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :deriving instance Typeable (GHC.Prim.*) works
< 1421951360 554384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Once you turn on NullaryTypeClasses, which is a small bug.)
< 1421951401 58780 :^v!~^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421951408 974536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typeable :: k -> Constraint
< 1421951417 734931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things are a bit strange there.
< 1421951432 917831 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, there's that BOX superkind, and * :: BOX
< 1421951433 998080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But GHC isn't particular, it also has BOX :: BOX.
< 1421951445 893420 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun.
< 1421951476 620050 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the kind of the kind-level ->? BOX -> BOX -> BOX?
< 1421951530 194508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that reminds me that this doesn't work as well as you might think.
< 1421951558 839785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that there's a way to talk about * -> *
< 1421951599 197914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy ((GHC.Prim.*) -> (GHC.Prim.*)) doesn't work.
< 1421951607 886064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe that's not relevant.
< 1421951624 580570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny that * the kind of types conflict with * for Nat multiplication.
< 1421951632 886216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By funny I mean scow.
< 1421951657 759616 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421951910 963708 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first argument of ‘Proxy’ should have kind ‘OpenKind’, but ‘*’ has kind ‘BOX’ ...
< 1421951918 552334 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay.
< 1421951968 877084 :oren!~oren@user231-172.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the best way to design a language is to make a tiny kernel and allow high extensibility
< 1421951985 317088 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I have not read the  Giving Haskell a Promotion  paper... maybe I should.
< 1421952012 834905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: standard haskell is meant to be the kernel
< 1421952017 952492 :oren!~oren@user231-172.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but haskell seems to defy that, as does Perl and C#
< 1421952029 571206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is explicitly intended to be a research language to build extensions on top of
< 1421952040 137054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence GHC being a far bigger and more configurable language than report haskell
< 1421952047 662609 :oren!~oren@user231-172.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... i see
< 1421952051 103805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_A._Haskell
< 1421952059 674688 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm starting to lose my enthusiasm for Haskell. XD
< 1421952067 904748 :oren!~oren@user231-172.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the GHC has a lot of extensions already built it
< 1421952073 556627 :oren!~oren@user231-172.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it/in
< 1421952082 420850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rank: kernel
< 1421952089 685381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC has like tens of interoperating language extensions
< 1421952099 813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of impressive they work together as much as they do tbh
< 1421952103 133391 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: yes, it is a vehicle for research after all.
< 1421952105 771857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them trickle down into the report but very slowly
< 1421952138 114437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically haskell came about because there were multiple pure, lazy, typed functional programming languages being used for research in the mid-late 80s-ish
< 1421952164 667967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they got together to standardise on a common language to build their research on top of
< 1421952197 3273 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nobody ever imagined that there'd be only one major haskell compiler in the end.
< 1421952202 673816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's sort of a "merge-by-committee" language)
< 1421952232 284161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. GHC just accidentally ended up becoming useful and mature and now it's close to the only major player driving the language
< 1421952412 951153 :oren!~oren@user231-172.wireless.utoronto.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1421952427 360829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wasn't actually there, obviously, so my account of Haskell's history may be inaccurate.)
< 1421952471 577105 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same here. I don't think I became aware of Haskell before 2000 or 2001.
< 1421952510 644612 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we're talking about the early to mid 90s.
< 1421952517 947758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006-2007ish, here.
< 1421952525 937887 :oren!~oren@user3-212-217.wireless.utoronto.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421952544 593383 :oren!~oren@user3-212-217.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BINABC is not a bytecode
< 1421952575 896431 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: Haskell is still one of the better and, more importantly, interesting programming languages out there. But you'll find few people who use it and think it's perfect.
< 1421952618 897352 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And obviously it has its dark corners and it's not useful for everything.)
< 1421952714 625478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually is useful for some things hth
< 1421952735 91957 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "not useful for everything" is different from "not useful for anything", hth.
< 1421952752 335765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is not useful for comparing those strings hth
< 1421952766 739386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode needs INVISIBLE PARENTHESES
< 1421952772 916564 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "not useful for everything" `compare` "not useful for anything"
< 1421952774 173977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : GT
< 1421952797 923442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, you weren't saying what i thought you were
< 1421952801 636618 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think it's the experimental side of it being so prominent, and the "actually doing stuff with it" part that puts me off a bit. It's like, you can get some sense of a programming language most times just by following what people talk about, and most of what Haskeller's talk about is jargonated discussions of whatever new experimental library or combinator or polymorphic parametric...
< 1421952803 111119 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...anaphylactic supercalifragilistic functor they apparently need to actually do anything with it...
< 1421952815 494236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because haskellers are nerds
< 1421952821 320840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is ((not useful) for everything) obviously hth
< 1421952821 748474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and programming is boring
< 1421952826 859327 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weirdly, I kinda get the same vibe off of Haskell as I get off of Racket macros.
< 1421952855 81605 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: uh.
< 1421952867 896521 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok, I guess that's a possible way of parsing it
< 1421952873 192437 :oren!~oren@user3-212-217.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ templates are the same though
< 1421952873 345659 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ie. an impenetrably deep sea of jargon I begin to wonder if I will ever even slightly understand)
< 1421952896 172331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it really necessary to be mean, even sarcastically or whatever it is you're doing
< 1421952907 138191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1421952956 920272 :oren!~oren@user3-212-217.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :any sufficiently complicated programming language evolves a group of coders who use it for nothing more than competitive convolution
< 1421952978 220754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :competitive Day convolution
< 1421952995 909269 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Sorry. I'm amazed about the amount of ambiguity in this language they call English.
< 1421953005 565452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ?
< 1421953015 360436 :oren!~oren@user3-212-217.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :convolution here being the verbal noun "the act of making something convoluted"
< 1421953017 648874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't addressing you there, sorry
< 1421953023 252109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind
< 1421953024 384632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric
< 1421953031 445915 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1421953055 312295 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was weird. sorry if I started any trouble.
< 1421953089 4388 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: You can still just ignore lens, monads, ana-, cata- and hylomorphisms, and start coding.
< 1421953094 731147 :oren!~oren@user3-212-217.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i make something convoluted, can I say I convolved it?
< 1421953107 412669 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still barely have any idea how to do basic I/O in Haskell. XD
< 1421953119 879394 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: I don't think you did anything out of the ordinary for this channel.
< 1421953174 725540 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: right, don't listen to anybody who uses the word 'monad' to explain it ;-)  just write  foo :: IO () (which means you can do IO and produce a result of ()) and use 'do' blocks to string those together.
< 1421953190 57919 :oren!~oren@user3-212-217.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anyway I was thinking there is little difference between an object and a function
< 1421953227 957788 :oren!~oren@user3-212-217.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a function has static variables
< 1421953238 597757 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: half the "design patterns" are just implementing higher order functions ... in a language that only has classes and objects to express them.
< 1421953263 499993 :oren!~oren@user3-212-217.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A.x(B)  ===  A('x')(B)
< 1421953269 926941 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(things like the visitor pattern)
< 1421953347 759749 :oren!~oren@user3-212-217.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yah. So what if there was a language in which there literally is no difference?
< 1421953353 710458 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Heresy's objects are in fact actually implemented with lambda closures.
< 1421953358 425284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's that thing about "objects are just a special case of functions" / "functions are just a special case of objects"
< 1421953363 415915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some mailing list post or something
< 1421953397 214168 :oren!~oren@user3-212-217.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am thinking I will call them fobs
< 1421953401 681560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: (it is not static variables you need but closures, really)
< 1421953425 293793 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things are just functions created with a local a-list and some macro magic to contain and even internally reference their values.
< 1421953426 167646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note the common definition of objects = behaviour (code) + state
< 1421953432 129001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a raw function pointer is code, a closure bundles it with state
< 1421953472 749716 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Things are immutable though, because everything in Heresy is except external IO.
< 1421953573 180541 :oren!~oren@user3-212-217.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a fob takes a symbol (method name) and produces another fob
< 1421953610 166893 :oren!~oren@user3-212-217.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because methods are basically functions...
< 1421953675 97191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: you will find there is little "ob" about them.
< 1421953679 511208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write this kind of thing in scheme
< 1421953714 415294 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Heresy methods are literally just a matter of sticking a lambda in one of the object fields. 
< 1421953725 198281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (my-cons x y) (lambda (msg) (case msg (car x) (cdr y) (set-car! (lambda (new-x) (set! x new-x))) (set-cdr! (lambda (new-y) (set! y new-y))))))
< 1421953738 969788 :oren!~oren@user3-212-217.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But methods have their own local state as well...
< 1421953749 133663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let ((pair (my-cons 1 2))) ((pair 'set-car!) 123) (pair 'car)) => 123
< 1421953776 571669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, at least I think that set! works. you can do it with a tiny bit more contortions if not
< 1421953779 452153 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with more magic macros to let them reference the other fields as if they were local variables)
< 1421953858 191306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: here, this is good: http://people.cs.aau.dk/~normark/prog3-03/html/notes/oop-scheme_themes-classes-objects-sec.html
< 1421953862 643782 :oren!~oren@user3-212-217.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the local state of a method can be thought of as an object inheriting from the method's parent object  
< 1421953893 949201 :oren!~oren@user3-212-217.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus it is obvious how it accesses the parent's fields
< 1421953895 458105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph, they don't get to defining a macro to handle the dispatch, though
< 1421953900 380404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess you don't really need one if you have a self
< 1421953924 243550 :oren!~oren@user3-212-217.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, fobs
< 1421953968 585332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suddenly realised I'm not being listened to.
< 1421953997 436565 :oren!~oren@user3-212-217.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks good, but I wasthinking more abstractly
< 1421954008 767365 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hah. That's awesome. As usual, I 'invented' something that some Schemer figured out 25 years ago...
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< 1421954060 13392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this kind of function/object duality is a common smug lisp/smalltalk weenie talking point :p
< 1421954100 167250 :oren!~oren@user3-212-217.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like we have a world fob, and every program is a series of calls to it with various 'symbols' (defined arbitrarily), producing new fobs, which take the next symbol
< 1421954131 337993 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main weakness of that method that we've yet to solve in Heresy though is getting the function itself to print in a useful form; in the end I just added a no-arguments syntax that dumps the internal a-list.
< 1421954153 784050 :oren!~oren@user3-212-217.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does sound difficult
< 1421954170 449200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abstraction and introspection are at odds
< 1421954178 615387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is to allow you to inspect closures
< 1421954199 639605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: btw, this sounds pretty much identical to smalltalk-72.
< 1421954214 917707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :st-72 unifies objects and functions similarly.
< 1421954311 931010 :oren!~oren@user3-212-217.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, so it is possible
< 1421954334 619628 :oren!~oren@user3-212-217.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, practically
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< 1421954671 740297 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing that does make me want to stick with Haskell though, is I do kinda have a strong curiosity about Parsec. I seem to have a strong interest in language design (which in some ways is insane for someone who is still barely a programmer, but ...)
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< 1421956196 262662 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Velato14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41716&oldid=41669 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+34) 10/* External resources */ added velato.js, fixed dead link
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< 1421956611 918025 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Entropy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41717&oldid=32751 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+241) 10added entropy.js
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< 1421961655 181926 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Both communism and OOP rely on the concept of classes. Both generate a lot of fanaticism and overuse this notion. That might be not an accident." XD
< 1421962275 675691 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well technically, Commmunism is about trying to remove those classes.
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< 1421965088 198835 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. I didn't know about 'it' in GHCi until just now.
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< 1421967147 27677 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to ask for some advice
< 1421967169 318613 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been asked to run for treasurer of my uni's Science Fiction and Fantasy society
< 1421967182 426305 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am already treasurer for the Computer Science society, and mean to continue
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< 1421967192 88735 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure if I can handle the workload of both
< 1421967323 548031 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: that's pretty common for different languages' REPLs, so it's worthwhile to try it elsewhere too
< 1421967419 568289 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... or at least, that's what I recall, but trying it out now I'm not sure where I saw it apart from ghci...
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< 1421967501 964439 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I've seen it in type errors from time to time, but was never clear what it meant.
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< 1421967901 80704 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what do you even do as treasurer lol
< 1421967921 199373 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be that hard to take on two at once, it's an honor too
< 1421967924 847568 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :CrazyM4n, go to the student union with reciepts, and accept membership fees
< 1421967930 171797 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :And turn up to events
< 1421968031 40145 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the only thing I'd be worried about is conflicting events
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< 1421970427 942014 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you could take all the money from both and flee to a faraway country
< 1421970446 384306 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect my morals would prevent me
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< 1421972787 519487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 973
< 1421972788 443890 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 973: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti
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< 1421976138 946291 :barryking!~barryking@fw-gw.kink.com NICK :KrimHum
< 1421976171 683260 :KrimHum!~barryking@fw-gw.kink.com PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
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< 1421976262 470891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice kink.com hostname
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< 1421977006 26094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh rjan
< 1421977011 107707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :øøh, perhaps
< 1421977094 467003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shaxxxxaf
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< 1421977119 810434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is olist 973 hth
< 1421977129 366076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed
< 1421977231 321161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see simonpj has suggested simply making _every_ type Typeable as a way to solve the bug
< 1421977264 610611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then someone suggested not requiring Typeable constraints
< 1421977273 875963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo who needs 'em
< 1421977280 923933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i think that would be awkward to achieve...
< 1421977315 282119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the dystopian ghc future, parametricity is but a distant memory
< 1421977341 807211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did we ever let spj take over, we ask ourselves. but it is too late
< 1421977354 739711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets confused when people use nicks but still address each other with real names
< 1421977378 893998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but goldfire is richard eisenberg, right
< 1421977384 501234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1421977404 20510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :middle initial A
< 1421977405 385401 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you be more confused by people addressing someone IRL with a screen name rather than with their real name?
< 1421977414 65397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good subject for a double dactyl
< 1421977419 238617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: let's ask Taneb hth
< 1421977476 171315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: due to great confusion of this sort i started keeping a file with nick<->name mappings for haskell people
< 1421977476 361018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pterodactyl meter
< 1421977479 852265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has ~200 entries now
< 1421977480 969280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great
< 1421977484 384983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1421977605 943446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: do people do that to you
< 1421977631 658363 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1421977637 500116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would be confused how to pronounce it.  but then Taneb doesn't put the stress where i would, either.
< 1421977649 471563 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately I answer to it.
< 1421977659 497607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pika pika"
< 1421977663 499189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks and runs
< 1421977665 815270 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "pikachu". "peek eitch kyuu"
< 1421977690 37452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i really knew that
< 1421977736 221207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't pronounce pikachu like "peek eitch kyuu"
< 1421977736 863146 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn stupid mouth feeling punched.
< 1421977743 206941 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :P
< 1421977760 21319 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"peek a chuu" vs. "peek eitch kyuu". They sound similar.
< 1421977773 167329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I said pikhq it'd be like p'k heich queue
< 1421977773 585319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but not identical
< 1421977780 286252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas pikachu would be peek a chew
< 1421977825 213793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say banayna, you say banahna
< 1421977868 345872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is inspired by the latest iwc poll
< 1421977881 860895 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why're you all making 'pik' a single syllable?!
< 1421977895 833614 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cause I speak English.
< 1421977912 609707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerhört
< 1421977923 276668 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :unerhört
< 1421977939 61309 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I speak Japanese I say "pikachu" as 4 morae (pi ka chu u) as is proper.
< 1421977952 262050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the incomprehensible joke is that oe is two syllables in that swedish word)
< 1421977963 991476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which means "unheard of")
< 1421977971 802193 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :o-erjan?
< 1421977985 856366 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey I accidently translated it into german correctly.
< 1421977992 632889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1421978021 313575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is fairly likely to have been half-borrowed from german in the first place, specifically the -er- part
< 1421978030 833011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: have you considered a legal name change to Pik Headquarters
< 1421978036 233813 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1421978043 304929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that prefix isn't native nordic afair
< 1421978096 981824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the rest of the word was probably borrowed too, it's not like the prefix was borrowed in isolation)
< 1421978136 194016 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hear hear!
< 1421978214 130410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it may very well have expanded to native words afterwards.
< 1421978379 268789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the traditional difference in vocabulary in nynorsk vs. bokmål is because the nynorsk supporters had a certain repulsion against such obvious german loanwords
< 1421978440 415978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so e.g. the nynorsk word for "reality" is "røynd" rather than the german-borrowed bokmål "virkelighet"
< 1421978521 96970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nynorsk was envisioned as "going back to the roots"
< 1421978587 51 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however some of those words feel so archaic that most nynorsk users today use the german-derived loanwords anyway
< 1421978674 223312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and of course being constantly exposed to the majority bokmål media probably doesn't help with keeping the differences)
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< 1421979778 44188 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every day, the Norwegian Question becomes confuser and confuser...
< 1421979845 504199 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had no idea Wikipedia had a main contents page.
< 1421979846 221948 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Contents
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< 1421980095 106294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: correct
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< 1421982208 280866 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help me I'm excited about a Microsoft product
< 1421982332 682463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits Sgeo with the saucepan ===\__/
< 1421982336 714323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DID THAT HELP
< 1421982378 966264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help me oerjan i'm excited about a culinary product
< 1421982388 544063 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No because the saucepan isn't 'holographic'
< 1421982414 783812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sorry you're doomed hth
< 1421982422 195853 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok we need a better word than holographic because iirc that means a specific means of projecting 3d images, and everything interesting is using... different ways of doing it
< 1421982465 658320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say holographic implies that it can be correctly viewed from different angles, unlike e.g. 3d glasses
< 1421982525 105825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least "ordinary" 3d glasses with a flat cinema screen)
< 1421982580 602524 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Oculus Rift and HoloLens wouldn't count, since you see the 3d screen itself from one angle?
< 1421982608 270658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't read enough about those products
< 1421982654 252646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say, you'd ideally also want _more than one person_ to be able to watch, from different angles, at the same time.
< 1421982687 175282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course even laser holograms are limited in the range of angles they allow, i think
< 1421982707 729378 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Augmented Reality is the term used for stuff like HoloLens, I think.
< 1421982756 463537 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For that, you could get an eyetap for both eyes.
< 1421982771 389366 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D effect would be fine if emulated via head tracking.
< 1421982897 800736 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the SDK will be like
< 1421982914 824731 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it's more complicated than normal 3D programming, which I don't totally understand
< 1421983446 324998 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/gadgets/comments/2ta829/arstechnica_handson_microsofts_hololens_is/cnxfznw
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< 1421984152 575241 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bixplqetnylpumuj PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically speaking the force of two planets smashing into eachother is considered an explosion
< 1421984257 423133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> where's that thing about "objects are just a special case of functions" / "functions are just a special case of objects" <-- i think it's one of the "koans"
< 1421984388 306224 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bixplqetnylpumuj PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you keep apostrophe's in your latex text when you convert to pdf?
< 1421984427 980557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott Google for "Qc na"
< 1421984428 509817 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1421984459 543715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: i think you can drop at least one apostrophe hth
< 1421984460 581539 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bixplqetnylpumuj PRIVMSG #esoteric :gazoogle
< 1421984489 631514 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bixplqetnylpumuj PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1421984504 829249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea why apostrophes would be a problem.
< 1421984538 826969 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bixplqetnylpumuj PRIVMSG #esoteric :/is doing this for someone
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< 1421984545 231438 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bixplqetnylpumuj PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea either
< 1421985513 742654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott <elliott> I suddenly realised I'm not being listened to. <-- you should have seen yesterday's tensor conversation.
< 1421985513 895807 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1421985629 237488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott everything he said was technically correct yet missing the point of our discussion.
< 1421985629 428634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1421985711 589659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should have said so outright at the time.
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< 1421990406 100910 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling HoloLens UI as a productivity tool is more good for graphic design and less good for other stuff
< 1421990421 243448 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the whole 'do you really want to wave your arms in the air for extended periods of time' thing
< 1421990442 498744 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although mouse+keyboard+no monitor could be cool
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< 1421996410 592244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm today's girl genius is the last of a double spread, but seems to be missing the usual elegant and finely crafted link to a big version.
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< 1421996788 932585 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a hyperlink. All craftsdevship is of the highest quality.
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< 1421997020 656446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no "elegant and finely-crafted link" is an official term, e.g. http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061011
< 1421997490 624827 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :  be two days' worth of story, but this time we thought it
< 1421997491 4876 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :  best to use the whole thing for one day. Simply scroll down to read the second page. You can also view the whole thing by following <a href="/ggmain/doublespreads/ggcoll06_089_090.html">this
< 1421997491 158552 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :   elegant and finely-crafted link.</a> </p>
< 1421997511 767395 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avant-garde, daring in its asymmetry. I like it
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< 1421997932 302434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you think I'd be better off not avoiding coördinates?
< 1421997954 465590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You did say that that was how you learned it.
< 1421997969 978389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well learned *of* it
< 1421998009 552796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it makes more sense if you also know the categorical viewpoint
< 1421998064 93247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i'm not sure there is much more to the coordinates than "pairs of basis elements for each space form a basis for their tensor product"
< 1421998197 582345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't have a good motivation for a lot of the things
< 1421998277 116677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you understand matrices as the most obvious way of writing an element of V* (x) W  in form of basis elements, and that that is canonically isomorphic to V -o W...
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< 1421998367 866283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you i don't know either how to actually _calculate_ with tensors whenever derivatives are involved...
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< 1421998437 229155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic motivation for tensors afaiu is "how to describe physics properties in terms that are independent of your choice of coordinate systems"
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< 1421998499 174304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the non-coordinate way of defining things makes it bloody obvious that what you've done actually _is_ independent of them.
< 1421998521 637870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you can do things with coordinates and show that they behave nicely under transformations.
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< 1421999116 566558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still doesn't actually see how to show that V* (x) W is isomorphic to V -o W without using coordinates
< 1421999162 275786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, V must be finite-dimensional
< 1421999188 357538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1421999201 140338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it just work given that V ~ V**?
< 1421999213 146271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's of course pretty darn equivalent
< 1421999225 989345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to being finite dimensional
< 1421999253 6336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe that means it also works for infinite dimensional hilbert spaces if interpreted right
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< 1421999302 562361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway i don't see how it follows from V ~ V** either
< 1421999343 638627 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morning
< 1421999354 593289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning
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< 1421999367 589592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait, what was wrong with the thing i did yesterday?
< 1421999377 601914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember what you did
< 1421999422 512419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(V -o W)   (V -o ((W -o F) -o F))   ((V (x) (W -o F)) -o F)
< 1421999429 199825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, and i wasn't sure about the last step
< 1421999445 447212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it's V that needs to be finite dimensional, not W
< 1421999445 670111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but surely (V (x) W*)* = V* (x) W
< 1421999462 306145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were talking about the case where V=W anyway
< 1421999466 784845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's a tensor
< 1421999489 395306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess now your question is more general
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< 1421999567 706205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1421999591 344959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure (V (x) W*)* is only ~ V* (x) W if the whole thing is finite dimensional
< 1421999598 545584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://planetmath.org/tensorproductofdualspacesisadualspaceoftensorproduct
< 1421999627 845923 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a German compound word
< 1421999728 200720 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sorproduct pretty infrequently.
< 1421999738 941956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it sounds like they're constructing something extremely non-canonical
< 1421999764 25794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1421999821 542315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and implying in a side note that it's better if one of the spaces is FD
< 1422001031 439209 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.jle.im/entry/io-monad-considered-harmful
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< 1422006134 260440 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/dramforever/kspl
< 1422006138 516404 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/dramforever/kspl/blob/master/sample.kspl
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< 1422006976 797443 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1422006977 260478 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1422006978 900392 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never
< 1422007012 304143 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER watch guiness world records top 100
< 1422007026 502119 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you want to be disgusted
< 1422007031 414184 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then go for it.
< 1422007611 217115 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :World's most disgusting world records program
< 1422008421 864164 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: you should be able to implement that with TeX...
< 1422008481 900716 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes (I didnt make this)
< 1422008522 913064 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
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< 1422011812 404325 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got my Lego BF interpreter working[0] last night. [0] It needs some attention around the rack/pinion interface, but apart from that it works :-)
< 1422011868 812618 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats !
< 1422011910 611240 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty - I was very please when it managed to multiply 4*3 last night.
< 1422011936 674542 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately a colleague has told me the tape drive sounds like a sarcastic duck - and he's right !
< 1422011962 834151 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422012032 648955 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1422012060 825286 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://plus.google.com/photos/113373535180413523278/albums/6105388692419944513?authkey=CL2uopH9jZOkEQ
< 1422012069 519236 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vid of it at work. Quack, quack, quack ...
< 1422012548 388157 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha it really does
< 1422012590 328916 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't sound as bad IRL, but maybe this is programmed in QF, for QuackF*ck ;-)
< 1422012613 706973 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I can see a GIF preview but not any video.
< 1422012625 861817 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :click on the gif I believe
< 1422012817 897090 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the coloured squares the program or the tape? (Unfortunately I can't find any video.)
< 1422012880 904455 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1422012900 648975 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Wonder why you've got no video.
< 1422012914 454623 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://plus.google.com/113373535180413523278/posts/D1rFySseXQ2
< 1422012932 409957 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try that - public post, so you should be able to click the gif to get the video
< 1422012941 467642 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Red/Green = < >
< 1422012948 751331 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Black / White = - +
< 1422012958 341378 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yellow / Brown = , .
< 1422012962 840151 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blue / Grey = [ ]
< 1422013264 240718 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah well, I found a video URL in the HTML text.
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< 1422013837 872789 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's interesting, the program is on the tape and I suppose the tape is in digital memory
< 1422013855 359342 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't store anything that's on the tape.
< 1422013866 99511 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :The memory is internal - 256 bytes of it.
< 1422013910 480906 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a program counter and a stack internally - used to manage the [ ]
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< 1422013932 40460 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the tank treads for, though?
< 1422013953 888643 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are used to move the sensor/flipper arm in the Y-axis
< 1422013964 530676 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rack/pinion moves it in the X-axis.
< 1422014074 80749 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I don't quite see what they are for
< 1422014140 1317 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :the arm underneath the bits is attached to them. The move that arm up/down to select which bit to test/flip
< 1422014156 787285 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rack is used to select which nibble and which direction to test/flip
< 1422014177 952234 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it that it's not clear how they are used to move the arm in the video ?
< 1422014213 619711 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is clear, but the eight "bits" at the top of the frame aren't
< 1422014220 159259 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1422014227 473312 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :held above a sensor/flipper
< 1422014283 442562 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be back in a while - I'll post some more vids that show the flipper in operation,
< 1422014290 399537 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you explain, how they affect the interpretation of the program (or the other way round)?
< 1422014454 9007 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh nevermind, clearly those are the input and output ports.
< 1422014508 996630 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to build a physical computer too
< 1422014611 734607 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :In principle you don't need a photosensor, you could control the tape with a stepper motor (but it will probably use an optical encoder internally)
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< 1422016350 432064 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the sound effects of that bf lego thing
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< 1422017671 338552 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let data DQ a = DQ (DQ (a, a))
< 1422017673 458102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1422017736 82540 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parametricity
< 1422017755 935814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that isomorphic to data X a = X X
< 1422017816 266752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks, but I don't think I need the link now that I had that realisation :P
< 1422017820 759244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I've
< 1422017916 596820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422017923 997092 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Kaplan-Tarjan deque has something like DQ a = DQ0 | DQ [a] (DQ (a, a)) [a]
< 1422017957 25646 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just occurred to me that this is a very strange recursive type
< 1422017968 294073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nested data types, I think they're called
< 1422017971 13208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some paper about them
< 1422017984 289847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data BinTree a = Leaf a | Branch (BinTree (a,a))
< 1422018065 769955 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Mycroft calls such schemes polymorphic recursions. We prefer the term nested datatypes” are they serious
< 1422018135 880889 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=google.com
< 1422018199 736528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :polymorphic recursion is often used for the value-level version I guess
< 1422018204 467911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah nested data types is a weird term
< 1422018348 740368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Blackthorn> Please provide a regular expression that can parse JSON. Go ahead, I'll wait. ← http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2svijo/commandline_tools_can_be_235x_faster_than_your/cnvdsak
< 1422018356 725353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it because I could, not because it's a good idea
< 1422018442 757329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nice "test JSON"
< 1422018497 281993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried it on any really big JSON
< 1422018502 501570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, JSON has a really simple spec
< 1422018511 692541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main thing that took me problems was when it said "except control characters"
< 1422018516 821576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that gave me problems
< 1422018519 813050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it works in terms of Unicode
< 1422018521 773389 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but JSON is complex compared to s-expressin isnt it?
< 1422018530 491400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: yes, although not that much more complex
< 1422018545 441641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s-expressions still need to distinguish between strings and numbers and atoms, normally
< 1422018558 790276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the only difference is that JSON has dictionaries and lists, and s-expressions just have lists
< 1422018560 262090 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know the code you posted is not an regular expresison...
< 1422018588 955363 :Jander!~Jander@furnace.nightwatch.org.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, I still need the photo sensor as that's what reads the program
< 1422018601 668575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: indeed, it's a Perl regex
< 1422018604 947231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a superset of regular expressions
< 1422018620 983293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that that was the sort of "regular expression" people wanted based on context, though
< 1422018653 511530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSON can't be parsed by a finite state machine (proof: 1, [1], [[1]], [[[1]]], etc.)
< 1422018699 353839 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0] lol backreferences, lol sed is Turing-complete
< 1422018702 626140 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure I undersatnd this ^
< 1422018722 803961 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "I've just come to realize a sad fact though: processing raw text streams through mostly-regular languages is really weak"
< 1422018746 340634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed is TC, but it has nothing to do with backreferences
< 1422018751 743444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deterministic-thue is trivial to implement in sed
< 1422018764 546973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, to compile into sed
< 1422018765 836207 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but baically what the fuck is he on about
< 1422018768 507728 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what im wondering
< 1422018824 676159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a random reddit comment thread
< 1422018832 584649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might just be a random sequence of words that are vaguely related to the subject
< 1422018848 98286 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or vaguely unrelated, in this case
< 1422018868 755879 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he know about parsing
< 1422018883 549915 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The title post reminded me of a recent talk I attended, the speaker talked about challenges processing "several gigabytes" of medical records.
< 1422018956 750248 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic ant make any sense of it
< 1422018960 824900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting to see just how big "Big Data" is at any given point in time
< 1422018979 743333 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :he seems to be saying regular languages (and by this he includes non regular languages too) isnt good for everything
< 1422018983 503527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time the question came up (a few weeks ago), someone defined it quite specifically as "the indexes of your database take up more than 224 gigabytes"
< 1422019010 43454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because with today's technology, that's the point at which you need specialized hardware to be able to fit them all in memory on a single computer at the same time
< 1422019031 686008 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which chipset has this 224 GiB limit? (Presumably AWS uses it.)
< 1422019062 470671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: that was actually the largest buyable AWS instance at the time of the comment
< 1422019068 56121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, it seems like a reasonable chipset limit
< 1422019070 418438 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still is, apparently
< 1422019102 605397 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and costs $3 per hour. Tempting...)
< 1422019225 289207 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most chipsets have rounder numbers as limits
< 1422019290 867994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :224 is moderately round
< 1422019304 329818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ factor 224
< 1422019305 435898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :224: 2 2 2 2 2 7
< 1422019347 24535 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 224fc
< 1422019347 310330 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {1 2 4 7 8 14 16 28 32 56 112 224}
< 1422019349 596641 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 224fC
< 1422019349 750917 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {2 2 2 2 2 7}
< 1422019397 804794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a factorisation primitive is almost as cheating as using a factorisation program ;-)
< 1422019412 777241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I want to write factor in underlambda
< 1422019418 390026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem being I haven't figured out how arithmetic works yet
< 1422019440 713022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here have advice for writing pure-functional factoring algos?
< 1422019441 761667 :TieSleep!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul
< 1422019471 891927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can implement loops as folds but it's a pain, and I can write fixpoint operators to get arbitrary loops but that's even more of a pain
< 1422019476 88404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there are definitely plenty of servers with more RAM than 224 gigabytes
< 1422019486 607756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that's even big data (tm)
< 1422019496 152147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, but those are going to be specialized for the purpose of having a lot of RAM
< 1422019505 619181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's big, but I think Big means something... a bit more than "you need TWO servers!!"?
< 1422019512 548340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the "indexes" bit that sold me, though
< 1422019518 885886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so, fair enough.
< 1422019523 809012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, how much disk space would you need to store the raw data for a database with 224GB of indexes
< 1422019528 805499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I guess it depends on how many indexes you have
< 1422019544 281812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel like database rows are usually that huge.
< 1422019547 117613 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does underlambda have integer division
< 1422019587 112043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even have integer addition yet
< 1422019591 575295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, it's easy enough to build it by hand
< 1422019601 199401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same way as in underload
< 1422019612 805620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it took me months just to figure out the I/O primitives
< 1422019648 331986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think addition, subtraction, multiplication, division/modulus are going to be high-tier primitives, though
< 1422019648 485742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if div and mod should be one operation or two
< 1422019665 329244 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just split the search range recursively
< 1422019673 568553 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying all this without knowing what underlambda is
< 1422019713 657731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: underlambda is a project of mine to cross-interpret as many esolangs as possible to and from
< 1422019726 245827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it's a range of languages, each of which is a superset of the ones below
< 1422019735 172316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and higher tier languages compile into lower tier languages
< 1422019751 483056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the higher tier languages are intended to be reasonably pleasant to write in, if esoteric (think Funge-98)
< 1422019756 792180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lower tier languages are intended to be easy to implement
< 1422019767 597664 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the r3.8x instance now offers 244GiB.
< 1422019781 190816 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 244fC
< 1422019781 404053 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {2 2 61}
< 1422019848 779484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Amazon have some reason to be a little under 256GiB
< 1422019917 226043 :anamaria1!~ana@213.165.165.178 PART :#esoteric
< 1422019917 812967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because the systems are virtualised, say?
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< 1422019925 40625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because the systems are virtualised, say?
< 1422019929 74706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that leaves 12 gigabytes of RAM for the hypervisor
< 1422019941 694670 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make sense
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< 1422019953 105051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think when you get an instance that large you get the entirety of one physical box
< 1422019957 397444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but you still run in Xen on it)
< 1422019972 226876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether the amount of RAM hypervisors needs scales with the size of the OSes they're managing
< 1422019982 223353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 gigabytes seems like maybe a lot, but I guess it's probably needed for keeping track of all that RAM in internal structures and stuff
< 1422019993 182641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1422020006 727308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably have fancy stuff on the boxes that needs RAM, anyway
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< 1422020485 240731 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 25600
< 1422020493 303295 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 256 2 20**.*4./
< 1422020493 479406 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 67108864
< 1422020592 586876 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq %s=1024 "~ -> ~"|[%s? %s? 1024 ?/]|f~
< 1422020592 740133 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "1024 -> 1"
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< 1422027431 634245 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it should be possible to translate some languages to otherslosslessly
< 1422027525 131378 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :??
< 1422027531 753172 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming languages or natural languages?
< 1422027541 148896 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming languages
< 1422027554 21576 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah without interpretive overhead
< 1422027609 306912 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the set of primitive commands is the same but their syntax is different
< 1422027654 183275 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the definition of "primitive commands" can be made more general
< 1422027738 549346 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the key is, "losslessly" includes both loss of speed, and also loss of comprehensibility by humans
< 1422027754 92529 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think you should factor in "comprehensibility by humans"
< 1422027782 84172 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not?
< 1422027784 676042 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you loose variable names when translating to brainfuck
< 1422027802 341778 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will generally lose efificency too
< 1422027805 469565 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly, but not when translating to, say, C
< 1422027820 487562 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1422027831 321265 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that is a loss of human-readablity
< 1422027849 724762 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So which languages are compatible in this manner?
< 1422027879 785301 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, for starters, C# and VB.net are
< 1422027894 143693 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby, python, perl , php
< 1422027897 871469 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :all equivalent
< 1422027913 536684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are differences in object models there
< 1422027919 540664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you'd have to model in a kind of ugly way
< 1422027924 13681 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :php loses the array-hash distinction
< 1422027946 286392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost no two real languages are going to be exactly compatible in this way
< 1422027953 38379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but plenty of them have large, practical subsets which are
< 1422028003 320596 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously brainfuck and ook
< 1422028016 549907 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously?
< 1422028020 803263 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the other "Hey I'm a new esolang but it's just brainfuck using different symbols"
< 1422028035 55591 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, I think that's the word for it.
< 1422028042 470754 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-]Ook!  is a brainfuck program
< 1422028069 448326 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably also an Ook program
< 1422028078 468653 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ook [-] polyglots should be really easy
< 1422028083 755274 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOk Brainfuck
< 1422028086 557886 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOOKK!K!KK!K!
< 1422028173 973241 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can encode the non-brainfuck operators as whitespace.
< 1422028251 381656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How human-readable.
< 1422028252 499979 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ook! doesn't have much leeway in its syntax.
< 1422028254 542763 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess translating C to C++ is pretty loss-lessy
< 1422028256 211899 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and readable
< 1422028301 364776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other way around, though...
< 1422028311 679593 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ written by me is translatable to C
< 1422028312 497948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah, I know that's how C++ started out.)
< 1422028321 534486 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatibility_of_C_and_C%2B%2B#Constructs_valid_in_C_but_not_in_C.2B.2B
< 1422028327 377403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular it's pretty much exactly impossible for C++ -> C
< 1422028335 97722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you have to erase templates
< 1422028338 806551 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the only features of C++ I use are vector and string
< 1422028344 190991 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's no bijective
< 1422028346 126686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C just isn't powerful enough for the translation
< 1422028350 220990 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but oren didn't ask for bijections!
< 1422028355 796531 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
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< 1422029311 716491 :zemhill_!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :web.Tripwire: points -21.40, score 6.55, rank 47/47
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< 1422029596 445181 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a word for speaking another language so that someone can't butt in?
< 1422029624 435593 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :encryption
< 1422029648 836728 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean a natural language.
< 1422029703 833091 :zemhill_!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :web.HyperShudder: points -4.45, score 15.71, rank 42/47
< 1422029725 265584 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have realized that my parents talk about me when they are speaking French
< 1422029762 28650 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_talker
< 1422029783 930981 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: so you know which language to study next :P
< 1422029823 843822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: haskell
< 1422029830 741466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay you already said natural language
< 1422029844 304474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel must be pretty weird if you don't know haskell though
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< 1422030261 668265 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel is just #haskell in disguise.
< 1422030279 158529 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1422030489 287316 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote #haskell
< 1422030491 16024 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :388) <augur> ive been in #haskell and #agda primarily, recently  <Phantom_Hoover> So is #agda now full of dependently-typed gay sex?
< 1422030619 616256 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker
< 1422030648 391340 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mroman
< 1422030648 824099 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was always full of dependently-typed gay sex
< 1422030649 307291 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman is a leading artist in password security (SFW). He also likes black madness. He can design password hashes that are worse than the identity function. He invented the identity function.
< 1422030649 671041 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1422030667 671873 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1422030668 737788 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :password security??
< 1422030674 700027 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly
< 1422030677 143642 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example
< 1422030678 586148 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :could oyu check my password or me
< 1422030680 113482 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :for
< 1422030689 104663 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of using your real name as a username and your date of birth as the password
< 1422030699 564070 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should use your date of birth as the username and your real name as the password
< 1422030737 415480 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker
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< 1422030800 959136 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1422030813 157933 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1422030843 608254 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker
< 1422030856 845511 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :laewspeaker
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< 1422030866 192800 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 NICK :loudspeaker
< 1422030869 360625 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1422030888 589770 :laewspeaker!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1422030961 613136 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for stuff that doesn't matter, I use my favorite pokemon as the password. If someone knows my favorte pokemon, they're probably my friend anyway
< 1422030976 354266 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :favorte pokemon is orenball
< 1422030986 936312 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1422030994 41001 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a regex that muches pokemons but not digimons
< 1422030998 695845 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :muches
< 1422030999 676826 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus
< 1422031001 62807 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :matches
< 1422031042 685237 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what is oren's favourite pokémon
< 1422031042 946609 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: and apparently if you fail, try mzscheme....
< 1422031062 404541 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, pokemon
< 1422031062 703046 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: f! " i knew mathematicians don't like vacuous jargons as the unix perl programing morons"
< 1422031069 157001 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :f!
< 1422031070 695937 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1422031070 849433 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1422031080 310000 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style qwantz
< 1422031080 463547 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: qwantz (Dinosaur Comics transcriptions 2003-2011)
< 1422031084 104049 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: pokemon
< 1422031084 411223 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :loudspeaker: but a good one! it's funny this one time in high school, a friend, but i have a problem, t-rex?
< 1422031093 977773 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is it the charizard?
< 1422031094 199824 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but, it's this crazy/ wacky issue settled first, but it's a more familiar feeling, but never one to believe in love at all.
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< 1422031104 120317 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball is it the charizard?
< 1422031104 836336 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better not tell you now.
< 1422031115 612024 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1422031115 765327 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422031126 317158 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker
< 1422031127 769547 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool Do I have cancer?
< 1422031132 388191 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1422031134 342670 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1422031134 496090 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422031137 115007 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn
< 1422031148 43034 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball
< 1422031148 232105 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422031153 624557 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball 
< 1422031153 821828 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422031155 99502 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball 
< 1422031155 257027 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422031163 607886 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Um, What
< 1422031163 784289 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422031168 687236 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn it
< 1422031171 815326 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Do I really have cancer?
< 1422031171 968435 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball 
< 1422031172 121756 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422031172 121891 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422031175 583700 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball 
< 1422031175 772577 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422031182 185148 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool^bool^bool
< 1422031184 982536 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Are you lying about me really not having cancer?
< 1422031185 194495 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422031187 203280 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap
< 1422031188 155123 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's broken
< 1422031213 529218 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball a
< 1422031213 686266 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422031215 145034 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball a a
< 1422031215 325464 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422031216 105153 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball a a a
< 1422031216 271063 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422031217 66218 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball a a a a
< 1422031217 245400 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422031218 82095 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball a a a a a
< 1422031218 280782 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422031238 260608 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball fungot
< 1422031238 413768 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422031243 966602 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball are you just counting words?
< 1422031244 166756 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422031261 344531 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball you are just counting my words?
< 1422031261 575472 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422031279 310751 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball AAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1422031279 463981 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422031293 515262 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1422031299 297225 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^
< 1422031307 153799 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8
< 1422031317 228829 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rand
< 1422031319 991189 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rand
< 1422031325 191270 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1422031325 344718 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422031327 188988 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1422031327 342589 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422031360 399204 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So apparently a random boolean can in fact encourage insanity
< 1422031403 668275 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insanity is a random boolean.
< 1422031406 591019 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, random boolean emerge
< 1422031406 858092 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: i i guess and his skin, and all i memorized was how to cook a meal! oh, i wasn't talking about you here, i have and now god's in on it too, utahraptor
< 1422031423 287053 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :utahraptor
< 1422031438 528929 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know... the kind of raptors only found in Utah.
< 1422031466 943257 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1422031467 132778 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz* sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1422031494 268238 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is europarl what i think it is?
< 1422031519 653360 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the european parliament?
< 1422031548 22081 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl
< 1422031548 175299 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006)
< 1422031552 917393 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!fungot: do you wear heavy armor?
< 1422031553 70762 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1422031554 462915 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, ' in a debate which touches on the foundations of the internal market, prompted by the recent amendment passed by the greek government has particular wishes, it will not fall over? we can start with this point so that we can act on its own, no matter where it is to syria's advantage. the war in former yugoslavia or countries stricken by natural disasters or to other victims. in fact it remains difficult, 
< 1422031559 797990 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you add a corpus to fungot?
< 1422031560 421036 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, i welcome the amendments tabled by the committee on women' s health as a result of the referendum in western sahara in the short and medium distances, the railway is declining, and that is my response on behalf of information policy of the commission.
< 1422031600 860497 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube
< 1422031601 13805 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments)
< 1422031604 718245 :hoosieree!~hoosieree@2001:18e8:2:10a2:5c26:e58f:8619:7bef QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1422031610 941866 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, pleased to meet you
< 1422031611 215209 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: this crash. unfortunately it was manned. ignore him.
< 1422031630 112357 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1422031630 265972 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: wtf, way to go ahead and prove it, i won't. it could be a cast member for snl.
< 1422031631 175224 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: how can you care about such things when the railway is declining!
< 1422031649 861659 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, epic roof jump
< 1422031650 37727 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: avril lavigne? if it's been that way since about 11:45 pm. i don't care, i was going to become a cast member
< 1422031650 227853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not counting words.
< 1422031650 399182 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1422031670 876306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, however, based on the parity of the sum of all input bytes, if I remember right.
< 1422031748 186762 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style agora
< 1422031748 340289 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: agora (a large selection of Agora rules, both current and historical)
< 1422031755 654690 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1422031755 868849 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: the registrar may change the probability of selecting that option.
< 1422031766 624494 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1422031766 816670 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: iv) its recordkeepor; and sane. the
< 1422031788 204382 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ff7
< 1422031788 358041 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ff7 (Full script of the game Final Fantasy VII)
< 1422031797 231968 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome fungot
< 1422031797 444139 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: just once, long ago, about being in soldier? you don't think they'd stand up to the beach! there are 2 angles to choose, i'd be good at escaping...
< 1422031812 642503 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1422031812 796282 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: that's why we decided to help! my strange and wonderful little place. it's a reunion of childhood pals!
< 1422031819 876559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Sounds nice.
< 1422031820 30041 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm all right, that's not what i do feel a little cold.
< 1422031852 998316 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apparently in 1996, the Ontario legislature shrank by about 30 members. The law that did this was called the Fewer Politicians Act.
< 1422031869 57877 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: wow
< 1422031883 722454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1422031891 994963 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need an Even Fewer Politicians ACT
< 1422031897 536628 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good start, but I'm impressed that politicians would go for it
< 1422031900 669433 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball
< 1422031900 833519 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422031917 340168 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a distinct lack lf "reply hazy, try again" here.
< 1422031940 839710 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess the remaining polticians are now receiving more money because their responsibilities have grown so much
< 1422031955 92840 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball
< 1422031955 246294 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422031962 219784 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball
< 1422031962 381891 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422031963 283475 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball
< 1422031963 442237 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422031968 538651 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I see a pattern there
< 1422031984 884534 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball perhaps it depends on the question?
< 1422031985 67787 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422031994 301257 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball perhaps it doesn't depend on the question?
< 1422031994 485881 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422032000 55719 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball perhaps it doesn't depend on the question?
< 1422032000 241717 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422032013 913684 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball 123
< 1422032014 67031 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422032015 542325 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball 1233
< 1422032015 734268 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422032016 687169 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball 12333
< 1422032016 850312 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422032017 752677 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball 123333
< 1422032017 905883 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422032030 134600 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :partity of length?
< 1422032038 487717 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Hi!
< 1422032038 659381 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422032045 532660 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Hi!!
< 1422032045 697920 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422032063 662713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I just told what it depends on.
< 1422032083 110439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball aaa
< 1422032083 263658 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422032084 58292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball aab
< 1422032084 211859 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422032084 981828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball aac
< 1422032085 135132 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422032086 124629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball aad
< 1422032086 289828 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422032087 289393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball aae
< 1422032087 442814 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422032089 613704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball aaf
< 1422032089 795637 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422032092 150636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so on.
< 1422032094 209895 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay!!!!1eleven
< 1422032166 899403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how's amazon?
< 1422032187 968807 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball amazon?
< 1422032188 160978 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422032239 20497 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422032283 6001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't know about Amazon.
< 1422032291 252651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's quite tropical.
< 1422032311 930979 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball
< 1422032312 84421 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422032383 548466 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball no
< 1422032383 740753 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422032387 93718 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball yes
< 1422032387 247021 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422032393 730176 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Yes.
< 1422032393 897394 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422032406 208893 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :We appear to have reached a fixed point.
< 1422032431 13803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks to how ASCII is laid out, any change that only affects upper/lowercase (at least for a..z) will never affect the result.
< 1422032488 809669 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and . has an even ASCII code as well, 46 :)
< 1422032520 963264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As has ' '.
< 1422032535 33157 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not ?
< 1422032543 851884 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball No?
< 1422032544 19615 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422032577 707214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. But , does. So you can do quite a lot w.r.t. whitespace and punctuation.
< 1422032587 665908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball like this
< 1422032587 819302 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422032591 657506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Like, this.
< 1422032591 810929 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422032728 908348 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why?!
< 1422032764 583066 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1422032775 640177 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422032789 123989 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Like this.
< 1422032789 316642 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422032796 537632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball q?
< 1422032796 697691 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422032944 414175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is actually something I'd like to say, and I think it's quite likely I might be allowed to say it, but I'm not 100% sure about that, and you never know about these things.
< 1422033066 598734 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07German14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41718&oldid=38607 5* 03151.188.17.247 5* (+82) 10Undo revision 24609 by [[Special:Contributions/97.113.234.143|97.113.234.143]] ([[User talk:97.113.234.143|talk]])
< 1422033271 266248 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I too beleive recent advancements in technology are suspiciously geared towards facilitating the dominance of bees.
< 1422033283 319247 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Malbolge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41719&oldid=38250 5* 03151.188.17.247 5* (-6461) 10fuck you bitches
< 1422033317 535800 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And those who speak up against the hives are liable to get stung.
< 1422033341 38008 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Malbolge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41720&oldid=41719 5* 03151.188.17.247 5* (+215784) 10
< 1422033393 68748 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever you say, I'm fairly sure you'll come off at least as more sensible than 151.188.17.247.
< 1422033583 653872 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like someone wants to fork Record Management Services.
< 1422033614 172433 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh charming
< 1422033645 166003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1422033647 264539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my assistance required
< 1422033679 972112 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're the guy to revert stuff, I would think so.
< 1422033687 516658 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Malbolge14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41721&oldid=41720 5* 03Ehird 5* (-209323) 10Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/151.188.17.247|151.188.17.247]] ([[User talk:151.188.17.247|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:82.35.233.39|82.35.233.39]]
< 1422033723 519484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm close enough
< 1422033744 975235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07German14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41722&oldid=41718 5* 03Ehird 5* (-82) 10Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/151.188.17.247|151.188.17.247]] ([[User talk:151.188.17.247|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:78.10.83.44|78.10.83.44]]
< 1422033758 595757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh I'm not sure I want to block them
< 1422033763 354900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what hilarious edit will they come up with next
< 1422033792 384144 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Ehird 5*  10blocked [[02User:78.10.83.4410]] with an expiry time of 1 day (anonymous users only, account creation disabled): promoting to sysop for highly valuable contributions to the wiki; please leave a note on your talk page if you're not up to accepting this responsibility
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< 1422033902 556880 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm confused, is that the IP you meant to block?
< 1422033911 317469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1422033911 933001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1422033912 731639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops
< 1422033924 441901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M COMPETENT OKAY
< 1422033938 618396 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 unblock10 02 5* 03Ehird 5*  10unblocked User:78.10.83.44: revoking sysop access; turns out you're not the valuable contributor in question
< 1422033950 932245 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Ehird 5*  10blocked [[02User:151.188.17.24710]] with an expiry time of 2 hours (anonymous users only, account creation disabled): promoting to sysop for highly valuable contributions to the wiki; please leave a note on your talk page if you're not up to accepting this responsibility
< 1422033975 940531 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Ehird 5*  10blocked [[02User:Ehird10]] with an expiry time of 10 minutes (autoblock disabled): useless admin
< 1422034440 130217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here who's not connecting from a university, is JSTOR generally open-access?
< 1422034466 917449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to tell because the connection here has rights to pretty much all the major journals already paid up
< 1422034479 229192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's "generally" that.
< 1422034491 219743 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's hard to tell from here either.
< 1422034503 553676 :Qfwfq!~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends, a lot of the older ('public domain') materials are now free, but require an account.
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< 1422034544 311285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1422034544 464961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aaron swartz rather famously tried to make it so :/
< 1422034555 747230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so: no, sadly.)
< 1422034559 82950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out if JSTOR links are useful to people generally, my guess is no
< 1422034574 685645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I didn't realise that that was the publisher he was mass-downloading from
< 1422034588 455563 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422034643 392642 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"open access" is when authors pay a 4 digit figure for a journal article to be freely downloadable later.
< 1422034645 907457 :Qfwfq!~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I get reliable access through Tor exits, though I'm not sure if tor2web (another aaronsw project..) permits circuit selection. https://gist.github.com/fmap/7c22bb6f382777dbdf96
< 1422034667 949916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: often, yes :-(
< 1422034673 129562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there has to be a better way, really
< 1422034684 423194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've taken to preferentially citing sources that are freely available online
< 1422034685 258359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think IEEE wanted $1750 to make my IEEE journal article free.
< 1422034689 420267 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there are some people trying.
< 1422034692 792282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technical reports, PhD theses, and the like
< 1422034712 488295 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :like lipics for computer science
< 1422034728 51734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, JSTOR is pretty overbearing for a nonprofit
< 1422034731 120392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you export a citation
< 1422034738 563701 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-012-191-057.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1422034747 401547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it comes with /three/ sets of "this is copyright JSTOR stuff with terms and conditions" comments, in the citation
< 1422034748 147209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Qfwfq
< 1422034749 540645 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02Qfwfq: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09<http://esolangs.org/>. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13irc.dal.net.)
< 1422034751 267011 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's a lot of prejudices to overcome, and a lot of pseudo-objective statistics (impact factor) to actually get academics to publish there...
< 1422034752 957359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hi, I don't think I've seen you around before)
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< 1422034777 466437 :Qfwfq!~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hi, yorick suggested I visit.
< 1422034794 362015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, visitors from lurkers
< 1422034803 622550 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422034832 940782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: They have plans for "people enthusiastic about research (whether personal or professional), but who do not belong to a university, organization, or public library with access to JSTOR".
< 1422034833 528215 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hamlet, hmm.
< 1422034836 461090 :Qfwfq!~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if the conversations sufficiently high-calibre, that's usually motivation enough.
< 1422034851 673764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You just pay $19.50/month or $199/year for a "JPASS", you see.
< 1422034862 274283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qfwfq: well, yes, if only that property held of this channel... >_>
< 1422034871 639641 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ACM wanted $1700 ($1300 for members)...
< 1422034874 472855 :Qfwfq!~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1422034894 98240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Maybe they've standardized prices.
< 1422034895 270035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although I guess someone with the username "fmap" will probably fit in here.)
< 1422034953 107164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, sadly, those prices are a lot less ridiculous than I expected
< 1422034979 950451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, it's sad that I expected them to be more)
< 1422035001 263849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The ridiculousness is in the restrictions. You can read an unlimited number of full-texts in the (1800+) journals included in the collection, but you can "save" only up to 10/month.
< 1422035038 366871 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lest you be tempted to free them
< 1422035087 419524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Register for a MyJSTOR account to receive free, read-only access to as many as 3 articles at a time for a 2-week minimum."
< 1422035093 324167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read-only, as opposed to read-write.
< 1422035099 496493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, that deal at the end
< 1422035100 639366 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I've never heard of this. "Pianist André Tchaikowsky donated his skull to the Royal Shakespeare Company for use in theatrical productions, hoping that it would be used as the skull of Yorick."
< 1422035109 708460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that's much much better than most journals are
< 1422035119 931232 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of cool, in a creepy way.
< 1422035141 585902 :booly-yam-6445_!~cinch@bzq-79-183-25-208.red.bezeqint.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422035142 561388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although IIRC it used to be 4 at a time, with the two-week waiting period before you can un-checkout a paper to read another
< 1422035147 945519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: and do they?
< 1422035153 51047 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422035159 937018 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: according to wikipedia, yes they do.
< 1422035185 538981 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, sort of.
< 1422035195 751028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :donating my skull to the royal shakespeare company but not to be yorick or anything, just in case they need a cool-ass skull to give off some spooky fucking ambience
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< 1422035246 588818 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh well, read for yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorick
< 1422035290 165688 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Tchaikowsky would be disappointed.
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< 1422035427 179699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm busy reading the proof that diophantine equations are TC
< 1422035438 523368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it came up tangentially in my thesis
< 1422035542 143131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you mean the proof comes up? or just the result as a black box?
< 1422035570 390355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well: In 2008, Tchaikowsky's skull was used by David Tennant in an RSC production of Hamlet at the Courtyard Theatre, Stratford-upon-Avon.[8]
< 1422035574 703647 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hello
< 1422035581 542890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: result as a black box
< 1422035582 479615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c8/Tennant_and_Tchaikowsky_as_Hamlet_and_Yorick.jpg this is a really good filename
< 1422035587 906477 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1422035591 216039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, it's a result I had to dodge
< 1422035633 246770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I basically have a bunch of inequalities which use +, ×, and less-than-or-equal (why is that not on my compose key)
< 1422035636 964249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on nonnegative integers
< 1422035642 283460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and need to prove that in general this is decidable
< 1422035660 876487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously it isn't with no restrictions, and I was citing that result to show that it isn't with no restrictions
< 1422035665 821821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have a bunch of restrictions I can benefit from
< 1422035667 994445 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, on what domains of the variables and the constants?
< 1422035676 558093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonnegative integers, for both
< 1422035683 168691 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1422035703 615987 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there some other theorem about something like this too?
< 1422035740 300673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also something I discovered in my recent citation chasing (PhD is due at the end of the month): one of the lambda calculi (think it was typed, but it might have been untyped), and Church numerals, were published in the same paper
< 1422035754 988442 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :due at end of month? great
< 1422035794 304151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine was "due" at end of last year and I didn't actually do it; now I get nag emails every so often about finishing it.
< 1422035805 155850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, I've heard that terrible things happen if I'm even marginally late
< 1422035808 947432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably varies by institution
< 1422035851 401837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anything terrible will happen if I finish mine during, say, the first half of 2015.
< 1422035876 953895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'll get back to it "real soon now", there's just been too much hassle about moving and stuff.)
< 1422035888 796787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least that's the excuse I gave to the last nag email.)
< 1422035897 383182 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but doesn't the thesis like keep levelling up and become harder to get the more you wait?
< 1422035958 159357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Well, they told me that every week of not working on it makes it take X units of time more when I eventually do.
< 1422035969 333837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where X was something like two weeks or a month.)
< 1422035980 981409 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1422036003 901039 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it has a level limit though after which it doesn't get any harder
< 1422036010 343416 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/limit/cap/
< 1422036022 740702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think that's very common in most MMORPGs.
< 1422036025 77 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, going to the shop. ->
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< 1422036155 13429 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the level cap also means they're not turing complete
< 1422036216 805251 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker
< 1422036417 186480 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a good cinnamon for abstract?
< 1422036470 399825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1422036488 439375 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :notional
< 1422036498 744841 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :conceptual
< 1422036513 863174 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cinnamons for abstract. 
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< 1422036557 755497 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah I'm gonna call my language "notional cinnamon"
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< 1422036607 670073 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nocin for short
< 1422036618 568284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren there's this thing where to communicate with people you have to use a language both of you understand
< 1422036638 95829 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cinnamon sounds like synonym
< 1422036657 996778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I figured that out after I decided that you were making answering your question sufficiently difficult that I didn't care to :P
< 1422036743 597148 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: very eloquent use of stuff 'n things there, dude
< 1422036760 876012 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1422036775 253179 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anyway the language has no syntax or grammar, it takes a stream of abstract 'symbols' which are currently implemented as words but could be subsituted
< 1422036824 197046 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Words are failing me to express how eloquent I'm feeling today.")
< 1422036872 83311 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea was to produce a "core" to which several syntaces could be converted
< 1422036928 784370 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :Eloquent Cinnamon | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1422037026 993042 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Are those apple cores? Apples go well with cinnamon.
< 1422037133 906372 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PART #esoteric :"Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"
< 1422037273 951509 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for example, the "english math" syntax i am working on could be seamlessly exchanged for a "chinese" syntax 
< 1422037301 129100 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter would not need to know
< 1422037434 894299 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The maker of code that needs to interoperate would need to provide symbol bindings for the new syntax though
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< 1422037531 402778 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fallback symbol bindings are just numbers
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< 1422038301 846687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: that sort of syntactic translation was something cyclexa was meant to do
< 1422038311 846600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I decided cyclexa was probably beyond my abilities when I tried and failed to write a parser
< 1422038388 248682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more recently, I realised that cyclexa has worrying similarities to Ursala's expression syntax
< 1422038399 168986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both aimed at the same goal, and achieved it in much the same way
< 1422038409 411276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the result is an unreadable mess, as is usual for esolangs
< 1422038432 77759 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently i am only working on the backend 
< 1422038466 531949 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each frontend can have arbitrary code which provides the symbol stream
< 1422038572 274402 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The default syntax (a series of words which are codes for symbols) would be pretty unreadable
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< 1422038792 478265 :SuperJedi224!32cf2bde@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.207.43.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ztest test >++[-.]<(>)*9([(-)*8[+].]+>)*4(<)*4(<--<++)*4<--(>(+)*17>(-)*17)*4(>)*6(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1
< 1422038792 952567 :zemhill_!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SuperJedi224.test: points -0.98, score 20.22, rank 19/47
< 1422038819 163346 :SuperJedi224!32cf2bde@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.207.43.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust Hyper >++[-.]<(>)*9([(-)*8[+].]+>)*4(<)*4(<--<++)*4<--(>(+)*17>(-)*17)*4(>)*6(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1
< 1422038820 19330 :zemhill_!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SuperJedi224.Hyper: points -0.98, score 20.22, rank 19/47
< 1422038853 241215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is zemhill still broken?
< 1422038868 620422 :SuperJedi224!32cf2bde@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.207.43.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know, it seems to be working.
< 1422038889 293664 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :array make set A number one push A set 1
< 1422038918 967531 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops. set one
< 1422038935 962015 :SuperJedi224!32cf2bde@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.207.43.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to have a limit of 47 programs on the list at a time though.
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< 1422040619 803195 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker
< 1422040802 783392 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1422040811 657131 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 2^256 large enough for the maximum number of variable names
< 1422040886 762306 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :54 letters
< 1422040896 442212 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker
< 1422040898 559518 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, could be better
< 1422040952 397176 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long are variable names allowed to be in C
< 1422041037 711861 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... or should i just do bignums and to hell with it
< 1422041147 168402 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1422041199 131265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I upgraded the things. You know, those things.
< 1422041207 560370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So it's possible it has gotten fixed.
< 1422041214 207279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: On the other hand, it's also possible it's not.
< 1422041267 154875 :oren!~oren@user3-221-53.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a test sweet for zemhill?
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< 1422042650 825253 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: *sigh* heavenly nostrils started out great but now it's full of reruns, sigh.
< 1422042690 65141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I dunno, I think either it didn't really start out great, or I just can't help thinking of Ozy and Millie with nostalgia
< 1422042697 599396 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see only the recycled jokes in Heavenly Nostrils
< 1422042704 177706 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, did it really get renamed?
< 1422042726 493214 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, apparently. I'd never heard of it before you brought it up.
< 1422042747 5722 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I didn't think of Ozy and Millie, but of Calvin and Hobbes. Of course that's not coincidence...
< 1422042749 495194 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's go back and read http://russell2.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/sc/comic/millie/
< 1422042784 435767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ozy and Millie is the obvious comparision because it's by the same author (Dana) and of similar style
< 1422042841 620901 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I didn't make the connection.
< 1422042874 368186 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless, Bill Watterson has been a great influence on Dana.
< 1422042888 932791 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: certainly
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< 1422042894 510488 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's at least one explicit reference
< 1422042920 462188 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://russell2.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/sc/comic/millie/comic?n=20000713
< 1422042956 832231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh bleh
< 1422042970 214991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for the original papers defining system F (two authors found it independently)
< 1422042986 537258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them is /probably/ Jean-Yves Girard's thesis, but all the online copies seem to be corrupted
< 1422042999 615113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too short and end "foo..bar" as a nonsequitur, I suspect there are problems earlier too
< 1422043016 361269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I find it hard to follow because my French isn't all that perfect
< 1422043048 140339 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://i.imgur.com/PhP80yD.gif is the most blatant one in Heavenly Nostrils.
< 1422043398 15051 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
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< 1422052580 408213 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, what? 17:26 . . Ehird (Talk | contribs) blocked Ehird (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 10 minutes (autoblock disabled) ‎(useless admin)
< 1422052597 997544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a useless sysop who blocks the wrong people and I deserve punishment
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< 1422053271 733678 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mistakes were made and mended. nobody got hurt. much.
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< 1422053891 557104 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have spent an hour listening to Julius Fucik. I forget why.
< 1422053941 43163 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, that should be Fučík
< 1422053949 948539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't fucikng know :D
< 1422053951 383016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry.
< 1422053970 506032 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren. helliott.
< 1422053991 49790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is helliott anything like a hellion
< 1422053995 233334 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :He wrote the famous circus music "entry of the gladiators"
< 1422054022 180800 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to helloily, behold the devoily?
< 1422054078 282590 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you consider yourself to be a Hell Creature? do you thrive in flames?
< 1422054082 204877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to be oily
< 1422054088 518681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes.
< 1422054095 896851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: tbh I'm more of an... uh
< 1422054098 704903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even know about Heavenly Nostrils, but wasn't there already a third comic before that which repeated Ozy & Millie jokes? 
< 1422054103 404926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck I forget crawl demons. let's say neqoxec
< 1422054105 460618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :however you spell it
< 1422054117 763521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's another one of the 3s I like the name of though
< 1422054124 22806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it isn't a 3 any more. I think they changed them around again
< 1422054128 214607 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's spelled like that. I tend to avoid neqoxec unless I can strike them before they do.
< 1422054144 821500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what're the 1s called. what did fiend become again. god, I've forgotten so much
< 1422054146 264975 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played dcss in quite some time. I got sidetracked by some cubes. and more cubes.
< 1422054155 725581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even play until after they renamed fiend but all I can remember is fiend
< 1422054160 309091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there's hell sentinels but what's the fiery 1
< 1422054172 240207 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they renamed the fiends? blasphemy!
< 1422054172 512164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brimstone fiend. that's it
< 1422054178 52358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no see brimstone fiend used to just be
< 1422054180 564277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiend. with a capital F
< 1422054187 150753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, the numbers demons were on used to make no sense whatsoever
< 1422054187 304245 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fungot do I hate the fiends.
< 1422054187 457433 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's why i have to cross when the stars can hear us? did you see his 48 years would only be given to me all the dresses.
< 1422054198 495403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2s are... reapers, tormentors, hellions, what else
< 1422054206 383012 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're talking about even older dcss than I remember.
< 1422054211 290771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lorocyproca maybe
< 1422054214 624986 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh... hell beasts are 2s also, I think.
< 1422054218 750598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah
< 1422054220 223710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are they 2s
< 1422054226 257025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're like big yaks
< 1422054226 729648 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the loroes. background noise.
< 1422054237 727303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yaks. the trampling Y
< 1422054239 47250 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :big death yaks from hell, but nothing to worry about.
< 1422054283 646195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4s I don't know. there's like red demon and orange demon and other crap nobody cares about
< 1422054298 175898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :5s is uh. ufetubi, imps, ?? other things ??
< 1422054305 582017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one really useless one that does nothing. or maybe that's just ufetubi
< 1422054314 29032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi this is a channel about dungeon crawl stone soup now
< 1422054351 309480 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 5s are annoying when they're spawned by ynoxinules.
< 1422054367 801561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ynoxinuls have the loveliest name <3 those are a 3, right
< 1422054368 844412 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or is it ynoxinuls? demonic plurals are hard.)
< 1422054370 268796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about them
< 1422054375 528978 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. 3.
< 1422054384 911408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crawl has some really good names
< 1422054392 820988 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the sixfirhys. they're unusual.
< 1422054400 505868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kikubaaqudgha, ereshkigal, oh yes sixfirhys
< 1422054402 371733 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or sixfirhies. damned plurals.)
< 1422054404 437854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sixfirhies?
< 1422054441 745259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:07:18 <Sequell> sixfirhy[5/5]: Occurs halfway between 6:00 and 7:00
< 1422054443 887158 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fun of planning a raid against a unique &...
< 1422054460 624749 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facepalms. aaaaaaaaaurgh.
< 1422054469 614397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ereshkigal isn't a name from crawl but whatever
< 1422054473 10149 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vile puns in dcss's lore...
< 1422054474 832473 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-152-253.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1422054479 320437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not lore, that's just learndb :p
< 1422054487 527636 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it inspired from some babylonian divinity?
< 1422054490 345361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever played crawl 4.1.2a
< 1422054494 330228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should try it sometime
< 1422054499 370029 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lore, learndb, HackEgo... 'tis all the same.
< 1422054512 321550 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the Original pre-dcss version?
< 1422054520 768161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's uh
< 1422054537 399029 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh?
< 1422054538 14713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a never-finished alpha version of dcss after linley gave up on it but before dcss happened
< 1422054554 398156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's incredibly unbalanced and unplayable and has only been won once in the decade-ish it's existed
< 1422054561 563490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is also my favourite version of carwl.
< 1422054562 610292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crawl.
< 1422054582 97846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, n7 won 4.1??
< 1422054583 533429 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quand même.
< 1422054585 148478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it's been won twice
< 1422054617 881818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't believe I missed that
< 1422054679 135400 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be the only guy left who misses the Hive branch.
< 1422054696 123720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you are
< 1422054699 924064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.1 has it though!
< 1422054704 439830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.1 has eeeeeeverything
< 1422054737 298609 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome... to 4.1... you can do anything... on 4.1...
< 1422054771 321056 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422054921 553426 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422054932 467844 :CrazyM4n_!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422054979 638786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm glad we could have this talk
< 1422055096 634024 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :samely.
< 1422055120 269491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please feel free to continue saying things about popular roguelike game dungeon crawl stone soup
< 1422055286 361570 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still remember my login infos. time to Gloriously Die in a Creative Manner!
< 1422055293 109673 :CrazyM4n_!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: sleep
< 1422055314 852320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy
< 1422055315 785248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which server
< 1422055316 518069 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(huh. I had a game, and I'm in Zot:4...)
< 1422055318 824159 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAO.
< 1422055319 642115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1422055326 301388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i gotta see this splat
< 1422055329 424492 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. BANZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAI!
< 1422055334 447152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your name
< 1422055344 201575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see
< 1422055346 632627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this hugeterm :/
< 1422055363 483271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you make your terminal 80x24 so I don't have to buy a new monitor
< 1422055383 434117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's literally taller than my screen
< 1422055403 168811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice vorpal war axe in zot, btw
< 1422055437 329493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily can you ^F axe for me
< 1422055442 917161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there has to be a better axe just lying around in the dungeon somewhere
< 1422055468 601150 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 80x24es...
< 1422055528 883513 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, that should do the trick.
< 1422055544 941284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's exactly the same actually :p
< 1422055562 552233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though you need to get a new axe
< 1422055565 53374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much axes skill do you have
< 1422055587 307776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you have 27
< 1422055596 755682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily can you ^F executioner's axe, and then failing that ^F battleaxe
< 1422055605 102940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pick up literally any one of them and it will be so much better than the weapon you're currently using
< 1422055625 766795 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a moment...
< 1422055633 132678 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeh...
< 1422055639 243939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go get that draining one blessed at a TSO altar
< 1422055641 347655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can use it
< 1422055646 302672 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's it, a feather duster?
< 1422055646 603391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your weapon is so, so bad :(
< 1422055651 923198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: a war axe
< 1422055653 781273 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beuh...
< 1422055670 416856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also just never use shields and axes :p
< 1422055670 625745 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meanwhile, oooooh...)
< 1422055674 204652 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ftr, I know nothing about the game)
< 1422055677 827398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that's good
< 1422055700 351655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :executioner's might be better but eh this has a nice brand and you're not going to bother fetching the executioner's one anyway
< 1422055704 375516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: me neither
< 1422055719 422547 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: could've fooled me
< 1422055719 621257 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: besides, I can't really executioner that one, it has draining.
< 1422055733 368810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I said I'm pretty sure you can override that by blessing it at a TSO altar
< 1422055740 129937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you get a holy's executioner axe and kick yourself for not doing extended
< 1422055748 431723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you've uh, already done extended with a war axe
< 1422055762 752549 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I haven't extended yet.
< 1422055775 333450 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I could TSO the fungot out of that axe.
< 1422055775 486812 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: there's no need for you! tell me? oh, you're late!
< 1422055782 298816 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes, there is a need!
< 1422055782 452596 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: cloud!! sure is cold.
< 1422055788 558360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh are you doing zot before extended
< 1422055793 78861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else why are you with TSO I guess
< 1422055812 480880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably annoying. do people want me to take this to another channel
< 1422055841 847056 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not at all.
< 1422055850 158525 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I knew "TSO" looked familiar, it's a Thread State Object.
< 1422055856 614472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1422055881 715324 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had plans a long time ago. probably going to wrap up that game and start something else. DD is interesting, but I want to go for the new classes and races and gods and everything.
< 1422055903 368819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please promise me you'll never use a war axe in zot ever again
< 1422055958 784763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that this is the orb chamber you might wanna heal
< 1422055972 227902 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I so can use a war axe in zot! common sense be damned!
< 1422055993 791941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you should recharge your healing wand)
< 1422056022 318996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so glad "p"eople happened
< 1422056032 832173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that might have been my idea
< 1422056098 562592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :throw your war axe at it
< 1422056099 48441 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1422056099 201543 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7* fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1422056099 432302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't)
< 1422056166 993536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you hit 5 all the time when playing DD to rest off the HP you can't
< 1422056169 371305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I sure do
< 1422056172 582617 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about that fine and dandy axe stays in my own hands...
< 1422056174 568605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I just don't play DD. or crawl
< 1422056202 714778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going to teleport out of the orb chamber for fun and profit
< 1422056206 323266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please say yes
< 1422056264 9275 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I'm going to teleport like a madman.
< 1422056284 360174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh at this rate you're going to attract every monster on the level before you get the orb
< 1422056288 916555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're about to die
< 1422056300 538962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be uh
< 1422056304 190729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing something other than what you're doing
< 1422056307 985964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :orb guardians are faster than you
< 1422056309 968387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1422056332 179499 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :death happens. time to roll something!
< 1422056344 944777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admire your spirit but not your play
< 1422056355 603755 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for not surviving. I couldn't remember my whole character at once.
< 1422056362 366990 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing is made to be played.
< 1422056402 509739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :play cecj of chei
< 1422056414 743242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough
< 1422056418 636087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go chei and find a conj book please
< 1422056440 111045 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, did or did not boily die?
< 1422056448 321702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily died and then started a new game
< 1422056455 956617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a very silly, avoidable death :P
< 1422056461 416274 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1422056464 649415 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my second win was through chei.
< 1422056472 278444 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we hate the unavoidable kind, it lacks hilarity
< 1422056473 753795 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know. the appeal of something else was strong.
< 1422056474 960973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I noticed you played a mifi of chei
< 1422056478 645133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure why
< 1422056487 61182 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was fun! :D
< 1422056493 515363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. I'm happy for you
< 1422056527 941521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you play nethack or something, right?
< 1422056579 260445 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tried, died, gave up
< 1422056602 319421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay
< 1422056608 24805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had you mentally filed as roguelike player for some reason
< 1422056624 672361 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I found the wiki, so I know what "TSO" stands for now.
< 1422056630 132481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki is very bad
< 1422056637 315320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very, very bad
< 1422056637 505221 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wait. did you just tell me to play a cecj? of chei???
< 1422056643 24065 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a bit about RPGs and dungeon crawls by osmosis.
< 1422056645 976288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes.
< 1422056665 185778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://loom.shalott.org/learndb.html#tso <- more useful than the wiki
< 1422056672 515233 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :call me unaquainted with the game and some random neophyte, but isn't it really, really bad?
< 1422056694 82529 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-152-253.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422056708 751513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well centaur isn't the worst chei race by far
< 1422056712 513857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it's a lot better than mifi of chei...
< 1422056715 867829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember centaur magic apts though
< 1422056726 118236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably cecj of chei is just painful at first and then good and painful
< 1422056729 203688 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mifi of chei is just plain ridiculous in the endgame.
< 1422056739 378166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is mifi of anything else but it isn't slow
< 1422056744 581840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they fix centaur hunger yet >_>
< 1422056751 169124 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they did?
< 1422056764 489933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can play cene of xom that's a classic
< 1422056767 234520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of xom,
< 1422056778 857705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't play naga of chei ;_;
< 1422056787 757353 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA HA!
< 1422056792 439312 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, probably going vehumet or sif.
< 1422056798 602067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god
< 1422056839 367458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice D:1 boring beetle...?
< 1422056859 170319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just avoid it, but... what abad monster placement
< 1422056866 683299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a bad
< 1422056894 152639 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fungot is a boring beetle doing on D:1...
< 1422056894 338611 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but, something strange just crashed into our truck!
< 1422056894 670017 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and why can't I z-a-f...)
< 1422056906 78977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh maybe you ran out of MP or something
< 1422056919 556864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't stand next to a boring beetle on D:1.
< 1422056939 264633 :adu!~ajr@2601:a:4900:407::10 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422056940 56600 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bought Google Cardboard
< 1422056940 536392 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. I was curious.
< 1422056946 31060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1422057001 229349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should play crawl again
< 1422057034 581762 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably eat...
< 1422057085 883399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw, is the fun over
< 1422057185 595566 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: a people origami project? "Join the fold"...
< 1422057206 828192 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did ... err ... google for it. So I'm joking.)
< 1422057214 602166 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. time to satiate the thing shaped like me.
< 1422057224 357273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many things shaped like you are there
< 1422057236 160423 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: there's a voodoo doll shaped like you and it has to be fed?
< 1422057272 120209 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mirrors are mean duplicators
< 1422057318 906652 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh that reminds me: why do mirrors swap left and right but not up and down?)
< 1422057333 990455 :hoosieree!~hoosieree@99-38-162-71.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422057347 186746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: actual question, or?
< 1422057363 273860 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's a puzzle. not a hard one.
< 1422057364 467306 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if buying a Note 4 just for the VR experience would be worth it
< 1422057369 124761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods.
< 1422057370 162499 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do want a new phone sometime soon
< 1422057391 790215 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that'd be useful to have a nice voodoo doll. I could scratch myself in all the nice parts without dislocating my shoulders.
< 1422057422 138429 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all the nice part"
< 1422057427 892335 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :+s
< 1422057508 30973 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say, mean, or imply nothing, you pervert.
< 1422057527 592623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to eating :p
< 1422057562 932825 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you could've said "hard to reach" and things would've been just fine...
< 1422057574 360967 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION digs deeper.
< 1422057594 304856 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there has to be a treasure down here somewhere!)
< 1422057705 445461 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION munches
< 1422057866 848935 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirrors DONT swap left and right. they only swap forward and back 
< 1422058017 53746 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't trust oren's Arcane Optical Tricks. “mirrors swap left and right, I swear!”
< 1422058064 519583 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: ok, but then why do people think that they swap left and right?
< 1422058121 963497 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because humans are bilaterally symmetrical.  
< 1422058155 713088 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does enter the picture
< 1422058172 59643 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, because they expect them to rotate 
< 1422058196 680 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly it's that if we encounter a human we tend to see things from their perspective. So the hand to the right becomes their left hand.
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< 1422058868 618520 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1422059867 455706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, i finally managed to restart my touchpad driver from a broken state without rebooting the whole computer!
< 1422059895 129194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by the simple method of killing the process, no less)
< 1422059943 30524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my previous attempts foolishly tried to _run_ the program instead.
< 1422060284 224016 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I use pkill or taskmgr to solve any problem I have with any computer
< 1422060292 562326 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I played video games from the 90's on a projector
< 1422060293 462699 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was fun
< 1422060346 584573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: well this was with taskmgr so it worked out all right
< 1422060392 402871 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two in fact
< 1422060429 582743 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :task manager exists on Xubuntu too... I just realized this
< 1422060660 449485 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although unlike windows, the windowing system for ubuntu often fails when applications go haywire
< 1422060743 739905 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say.
< 1422060762 906229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: how about spgl of veh
< 1422060766 496508 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very fun when your cursor just plain disappears.
< 1422060772 144623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rolls the heel) vsak of kiku
< 1422060777 543926 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spgl... I haven't played sp in a looooong time...
< 1422060778 358601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wheel
< 1422060788 408280 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kiku was kinda nerfed iirc hth.
< 1422060823 129000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean the books change
< 1422060825 585157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't really a nerf
< 1422060825 754019 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but right now I'm hitting cubes, placing cubes, walking on cubes, arranging cubes...
< 1422060831 677488 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the corpse cap.
< 1422060832 57226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean kiku is still incredibly good
< 1422060839 936979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is that minecraft
< 1422060842 731128 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :before I just spammed that ability to no end!
< 1422060842 999853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what
< 1422060845 538391 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup ^^
< 1422060861 940787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see this channel used to be entirely about crawl, and then a while before that it was entirely about minecraft
< 1422060869 93558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm getting some good nostalgia in her
< 1422060870 354287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*here
< 1422060922 854620 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is a good chännel.
< 1422060931 70066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION must have missed most of the crawl
< 1422060935 565072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually sucks, but yes
< 1422060947 395407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot dwarf fortress, however.
< 1422060951 798043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tbh it wasn't that long, compared to the minecraft. it was when I got into crawl
< 1422060954 802007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah that was fun too
< 1422060987 842641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: is minecraft still ruined by trying to be an rpg for no reason >_>
< 1422061012 781349 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play dwarfortress
< 1422061077 221988 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you roleplay a miner
< 1422061093 181069 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play it extremely badly
< 1422061104 353949 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, not really.
< 1422061119 183882 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION builds stuff. it is artistically unique.
< 1422061135 899359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you use creative mode... that's a level of personal purity I could never attain
< 1422061138 979350 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently my dwarves are covered in blood and trying to drag bodies across a lake
< 1422061339 413076 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If minecraft was based on cubic graphs, could you get miners on minors
< 1422061373 856583 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, survival.
< 1422061384 751356 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles Jafet
< 1422061421 405530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favourite is, like, survival in peaceful with no hunger tbh
< 1422061439 316194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also preferably without health, and where you can duplicate any item as much as you want, like back in the good old multiplayer days
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< 1422061453 189145 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that was how I learnt to play
< 1422061457 801596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also minecart boosters should work, *shakes fist*
< 1422061478 419214 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :POWERED RAILS MASTERRACE!
< 1422061484 254729 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, those things were ridiculous
< 1422061497 167138 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mumbles against stupid boosters that didn't work half of the time. *grmbl*
< 1422061511 408739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's not make literal nazi ideology jokes, imo
< 1422061521 680725 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a dwarf fortress military is based on pickaxe warfare, would its leader be Major Miner
< 1422061545 216336 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry. can I still mapole Jafet?
< 1422061551 736100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a free country
< 1422061562 923436 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION joyfully thwacks Jafet again
< 1422061563 493785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :powered rails are so slow :(
< 1422061565 491585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they fixed them
< 1422061588 475538 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they work quite nice. guaranteed 8 m/s when placed at each 32 blocks.
< 1422061605 924714 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(optimal placement is 34, but 34 is not a nice round whole number.)
< 1422061610 972279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one block is a metre, right
< 1422061616 155051 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1422061617 491992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a METAR
< 1422061656 444559 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of METAR, it's warmer than it was this morning
< 1422061670 585014 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGCC
< 1422061670 795203 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGCC 240050Z 28009KT 9999 FEW024 SCT038 04/02 Q1017 NOSIG
< 1422061683 940863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :egcc...
< 1422061701 467504 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like it warmed up consistently from about 8am to 11pm today here
< 1422061716 445165 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who on earth's in Manchester
< 1422061738 156098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait it wasn't egcc
< 1422061740 23932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was egcs or something
< 1422061746 600241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the gcc fork called
< 1422061759 28916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :egcs, yeah.
< 1422061766 71216 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I tried to quickly find some airport near York.
< 1422061772 426092 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1422061772 714533 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 240100Z 22015G21KT 15SM -SHSN FEW030 OVC070 M02/M06 A2987 RMK SC1AC7 SLP117
< 1422061782 593227 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, Leeds-Bradford is the closest
< 1422061796 605265 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use weather.elec.york.ac.uk, because it's about a mile from my house
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< 1422061874 713183 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ
< 1422061875 18434 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 240100Z 23010G15KT 12SM SKC M04/M06 A2989 RMK SLP129
< 1422061907 747260 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: are sidewalks in Toronto as bad as they are here?
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< 1422061933 831561 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sleep
< 1422061968 276223 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: they have to be replaced every decade about
< 1422062065 753422 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonne Tanuib!
< 1422062116 296602 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: sounds about the same.
< 1422062119 813156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGCS
< 1422062120 107647 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result.
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< 1422062350 186350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oren> no wait, because they expect them to rotate <-- http://xkcd.com/123/
< 1422062621 884446 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know you're an xkcd addict when you don't even have to click the links...
< 1422062787 427841 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily pls ;_;
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< 1422062928 326097 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CrazyM4n: yes?
< 1422063046 492525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'd say that depends, did you guess it from the oren quote or from the comic number twh
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< 1422063135 799537 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the quote.
< 1422063146 792536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you're only semi-addicted hth
< 1422063184 553095 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that one from the comic number, but it's the only one I know because it's 123
< 1422063189 42705 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/386/ is the only one I recognize by number, I think. I link to that one a bit more frequently than I should.
< 1422063204 346239 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you kinda made me realize that I'm quite an xkcd addict too D:
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< 1422064836 813355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to use nc -e with a outgoing connection to execute Cygwin's cat -v and while it worked, then typing exit didn't close the window (although I could still close it with the control box).
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< 1422065020 525537 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see that "simonpj has suggested simply making _every_ type Typeable" and "someone suggested not requiring Typeable constraints
< 1422065037 332953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest that Typeable constraints should be required, although every type should also automatically be made Typeable.
< 1422065066 139301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think dropping Typeable constraints will harm parametricity
< 1422065094 291315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I do not want to drop Typeable constraints
< 1422065123 825371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since unlike Coercible and the old Eval(?) class for seq, you need actual runtime date.
< 1422065126 992148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*data.
< 1422065137 408337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want to drop deriving(Typeable) so that it automatically does that instead
< 1422065159 250616 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So type erasure will die?
< 1422065175 885129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it would if you dropped the constraints too
< 1422065189 889043 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does type erasure mean?
< 1422065211 810173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that you don't need to pass type information unless you actually need it
< 1422065251 592239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially important for polymorphic values where there might not _be_ any type information attached to the value itself.
< 1422065256 106619 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you still don't need to pass type information if you don't have a Typeable constraint.
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< 1422065297 169240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a class or function or whatever that requires Typeable should still be require to mention such thing
< 1422065426 62155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My suggestion is only to make it so that all Typeable instances of all types are automatically defined (so you don't need to write deriving(Typeable) in order to define it), although this fact is supposed to be unprovable within the type system therefore you can't use the Typeable instance in a polymorphic function if you don't explicitly request it.
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< 1422066070 877548 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CAREFUL: Don't use Vireio Perception with multplayer games with anti-cheat measures as the software could get recognized as a hack and either kick you or ban you.
< 1422066071 30862 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1422066079 493388 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that Second Life does not have anti-cheat features
< 1422066227 602523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't source-codes for Second Life available? If so then you can see if it has any anti-cheat features or not
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< 1422066868 76772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it might be like with reddit, where the anti-cheat features are the one part of the code which is not open sourced
< 1422066953 943881 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably the code would still have to link to it though?
< 1422068148 590282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps.
< 1422068210 729986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there could be a general api for running extra services, though
< 1422068214 629705 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if the relationship between my dad and my step-mother is so dysfunctional that my dad lies to my step-mother constantly (admittedly usually to protect me from her insanity) and expects me to play along with everything, and I end up not just being quiet like an asshole when she talks to me, is it reasonable that he would get mad at me?
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< 1422068299 755466 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does your step-mother have anti-cheat features
< 1422068317 588493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the word "reasonable" has already run away screaming long before you reached that point.  try "probable" instead.
< 1422068545 978408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could try running away screaming, maybe you'll catch up with reason that way.
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< 1422072841 263277 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a new virtual world
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< 1422075934 404374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some idea of Magic: the Gathering cards to make up:  [1] A card with protection from permanents.  [2] A card with protection from legendary.  [3] A card with an overload cost less than its normal mana cost.  [4] Auras with evoke.  [5] Noncreatures with dash.  [6] Planeswalkers with additional card types.  [7] Noncreatures with offering and/or champion.  [8] Offering with noncreature subtypes.
< 1422076046 689780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What would an interesting use of [3] be?
< 1422077000 708113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not completely sure!
< 1422077039 189496 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGeo: New virtual world sounds neat
< 1422077054 467382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps: Return target creature you control to your hand.
< 1422077060 716288 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :babylon.vrsites.com
< 1422077061 414749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not particularly great.
< 1422077061 978348 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1422077066 283748 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://janusvr.com/
< 1422077109 886510 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It parses HTML-like pages accessible via HTTP for special tags defining the virtual room
< 1422077130 807184 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, anyone can host a 3d room, and I think also the 3d chat somehow, although apparently everyone currently uses one particular host for that
< 1422077146 975286 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also has hardcoded page to room transformations for a few sites like Reddit and Imgur
< 1422077357 973851 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:4c5f:4135:224d:ca95 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif
< 1422077547 894471 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that, but don't like that it's apparently a closed thing.
< 1422077584 180168 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I figure browsers should be run on open standards, and if it's making rooms out of web pages then it's certainly a browser.
< 1422077601 866409 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, where does it say it's closed?
< 1422077605 28968 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm messing with Flatland Rover and being asked to reset the comptuer.
< 1422077663 355281 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that ancient?
< 1422077679 671775 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was Flatland sharing the name with the book Flatland that got me into virtual worlds
< 1422077691 40075 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes it is.
< 1422077709 623161 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/janusVR/comments/28se0z/janus_vr_consolidated_suggestions_list/
< 1422077712 47504 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why it's being such a pain.
< 1422077712 671249 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.flatland.com/blog
< 1422077725 800910 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the suggestions on there is to open source it. That suggestion comes from the creator
< 1422077730 391896 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it will probably be open sourced
< 1422077781 899332 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool.
< 1422077793 387853 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even mind if it's closed source as a program.
< 1422077813 853171 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just that it follows an open set of protocols that other browsers can try to be compatible with.
< 1422077838 236002 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best explanation I've seen
< 1422077838 851203 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/janusVR/wiki/index
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< 1422079301 198648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there IRC bot program in C?
< 1422080515 385521 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1422081135 204303 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently an underground cavern is a good place to dump a neverending flow of water
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< 1422082500 748241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, an ordinary cavern?
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< 1422091279 147888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The venerable Eggdrop is written in C, if I recall correctly.
< 1422091343 920165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to run an Eggdrop, I think that was about 15 years ago.
< 1422091435 866323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There is a Tcl scripting interface, so many of the available extra things it can do are written in that. But there's also a C module interface.)
< 1422093410 720178 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my math books need 3 weeks of delivery
< 1422093415 171133 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks :(
< 1422093491 927216 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1422093532 403488 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so math right now I want to calculate the acceleration of electrons in an electric field.
< 1422093547 586435 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't actually that interesting
< 1422093548 749224 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422093809 158751 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I figured I should learn more math so I ordered some books mathoverflow recommended)
< 1422093957 595482 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my medicine books are already here
< 1422093964 486054 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can study 50% medicine, 50% math
< 1422094093 381833 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422094139 570743 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.10 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1422097736 852939 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebqisqbrtbimviv PRIVMSG #esoteric :I passed finals, Now to program things
< 1422097758 355800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finally sees the ingressive yes youtube video everyone else must have been watching
< 1422097801 638888 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebqisqbrtbimviv PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1422097803 906313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's definitely not a thing i've heard of before
< 1422097816 117915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URgdIAz4QNg
< 1422097820 405517 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebqisqbrtbimviv PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1422097866 694006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the version i've heard before definitely is a "ja", just on inward breath
< 1422097908 867212 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebqisqbrtbimviv PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it sounds different
< 1422098866 948025 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422098905 807682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later
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< 1422100169 61394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.37.87 QUIT :Changing host
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< 1422100964 675780 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URgdIAz4QNg <-- you never heard of this before?
< 1422101019 852459 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is basically a "jo" while inhaling instead of exhaling.
< 1422101088 250515 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebqisqbrtbimviv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gasp
< 1422101088 440582 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebqisqbrtbimviv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its vorpal
< 1422101108 577924 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax, who do I have the pleasure of speaking to?
< 1422101113 567224 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whom rather
< 1422101129 740096 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not recognize that nick name
< 1422101152 137754 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But you apparently recognize me?)
< 1422101322 830946 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebqisqbrtbimviv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah 
< 1422101326 546519 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebqisqbrtbimviv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the name
< 1422101413 412739 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1422101537 432571 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebqisqbrtbimviv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man so many net splits today
< 1422101553 477735 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebqisqbrtbimviv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Net splits sound painful
< 1422101600 968804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your net split all the fish would fall out of it.
< 1422102340 887678 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebqisqbrtbimviv PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I get it
< 1422102766 254728 :FR34K!~FR34k@cpe-184-153-189-144.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422102776 156452 :FR34K!~FR34k@cpe-184-153-189-144.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1422102789 411262 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebqisqbrtbimviv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hallo
< 1422102839 344187 :FR34K!~FR34k@cpe-184-153-189-144.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's this channels bout
< 1422102858 344601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome FR34K
< 1422102859 384160 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09FR34K: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08<http://esolangs.org/>. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06irc.dal.net.)
< 1422102865 15615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rainbows, mainly
< 1422102866 893713 :FR34K!~FR34k@cpe-184-153-189-144.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric stuff.... Like mystery schools of the past
< 1422102886 284254 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck and stuff
< 1422102899 70103 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imho it's mainly about computer science
< 1422102915 790859 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and haskell
< 1422102919 391513 :FR34K!~FR34k@cpe-184-153-189-144.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmm.... Ok
< 1422102980 46537 :FR34K!~FR34k@cpe-184-153-189-144.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cart rainbows so I'm in
< 1422102998 474090 :FR34K!~FR34k@cpe-184-153-189-144.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fart
< 1422103133 55948 :FR34K!~FR34k@cpe-184-153-189-144.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well have good one ya all
< 1422103136 835868 :FR34K!~FR34k@cpe-184-153-189-144.maine.res.rr.com PART #esoteric :"AndroIRC"
< 1422103149 394995 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebqisqbrtbimviv PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1422103170 383542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :carting rainbows from city to city
< 1422103201 154794 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebqisqbrtbimviv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup
< 1422103207 76842 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a noble quest
< 1422103956 285852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/r0nk/corvus brainfuck genetic programming
< 1422104007 830053 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought of something like that, too
< 1422104019 373325 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe other kinds of genetc
< 1422104021 581248 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebqisqbrtbimviv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gasp
< 1422104029 310528 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebqisqbrtbimviv PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks amazing
< 1422105941 837657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a shame nobody has ever managed to do an evolver for BF Joust that actually made useful warriors
< 1422105946 615339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd really like to see that
< 1422105959 24746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, unless Lymia ended up with something that worked
< 1422105983 153491 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It worked on a less mature hill
< 1422105985 326961 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not Esojoust
< 1422106029 839185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1422106230 921869 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably need a larger testing hill, and more evolvable programs
< 1422106820 93441 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!hill
< 1422106839 287934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zhelp
< 1422106841 370073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zhill
< 1422106842 631899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm.
< 1422106843 29199 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zhelp
< 1422106844 826188 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zhill
< 1422106846 802485 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hi <
< 1422106849 342286 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ded
< 1422106853 708431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just digs up the URL
< 1422106856 457147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's !zjoust I think
< 1422106856 717423 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hi: 0.0
< 1422106862 948361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the egobot hill is dead
< 1422106869 217571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ here
< 1422106874 479525 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust hi <
< 1422106875 51306 :zemhill_!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.hi: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47
< 1422106879 354668 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1422106881 301716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the zem.fi one might still have broken scoring though... or maybe not.
< 1422106881 805424 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has its own command
< 1422106886 385099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the one people have been using.
< 1422106897 83756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has that fancy matrixy scoring system
< 1422106904 866617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/bfjoust/internals/
< 1422106954 788926 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should
< 1422106962 944712 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422106965 581745 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get the program to generate a program to beat all programs ona hill up
< 1422106967 608830 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a hill up*
< 1422106972 909208 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how it would work
< 1422106973 998763 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just...
< 1422106979 919299 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to implement bfjoust to make it happen
< 1422106981 873920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do? I thought we proved that's impossible
< 1422106993 636386 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You did, for carefully constructed hills
< 1422107000 247115 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not a carefully constructed hill
< 1422107010 427646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay, so it's just an as-good-as-possible thing rather than theoretically perfect
< 1422107013 394358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
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< 1422107158 74331 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1422107175 389952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your basic strategy? :o
< 1422107203 254267 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simulate every bot on the hill at once
< 1422107214 399938 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :On all possible tape lengths and polarities
< 1422107246 292529 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, (Tape Position, [(Enemy Bot State, Tape State)])
< 1422107271 755281 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, do some brute force/hirsutics to construct branches at the right places to distinguish as many of the bots as possible.
< 1422107277 558540 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :From there, it's brute force a solution.
< 1422107334 132251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1422107357 500111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hirsutics: heuristics for detecting hirsutism
< 1422107363 904835 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :opps
< 1422107368 281846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: do you just run them as if there's no enemy bot?
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< 1422107379 697301 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean?
< 1422107392 401599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, usually you'd simulate two bots at once on a tape
< 1422107401 427824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you just do the simulation by pretending the other program is empty?
< 1422107404 306055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I not understanding at all
< 1422107413 365798 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well.
< 1422107432 681623 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It builds the program for the output "hill beater" bot as it goes-- there is no program for that yet.
< 1422107454 717379 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has an array of tape states and enemy bot states-- splitting every bot into a seperate one for every tape length and polarity.
< 1422107470 345287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods, okay, I see
< 1422107472 189745 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, it selects a move, and applies that move to all of those tape states, and lets the enemy bot run.
< 1422107495 153360 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Branches, ofc, would be generating an [a]b then recursing
< 1422107499 541886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like you are going to need a lot of RAM :P
< 1422107501 569415 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would be used to distinguish bots.
< 1422107510 183730 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably\
< 1422107510 490169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not too bad
< 1422107563 965842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you need a machine to run it on and don't have a decent one I have an i7 with 16 gigabytes that spends most of its cycles doing whatever chrome thinks it should hog all the CPU by doing :p
< 1422107575 868165 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it'd be that expensive
< 1422107602 769127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you should run it on a GPU. or an FPGA. GPUs and FPGAs are the solution to literally everything. *especially* inherently serial, memory-hard problems.
< 1422107639 774381 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :;.;
< 1422107649 984718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~
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< 1422107674 393640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :inherently cereal problems.
< 1422107687 956579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah okay I'm useless right now
< 1422107689 199376 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to abuse my poor CPU
< 1422107697 619397 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPU*
< 1422107715 565173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be cool if you could somehow do this kinda simulation without keeping a copy of every single tape
< 1422107727 773827 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so
< 1422107729 609150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like some way to "collapse" it down into something that only captures the variations, somehow
< 1422107730 325238 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a big deal, anyway
< 1422107739 423524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it sounds hard.
< 1422107743 154646 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000 programs?
< 1422107744 666488 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see
< 1422107749 766154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if you want to run it on a hill with ten trillion programs
< 1422107760 811251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need VC money to buy a supercomputer to do this >_>
< 1422107771 731404 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 1 MB for tape
< 1422107789 249661 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000 programs is
< 1422107806 12783 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hill, and ~900 programs not on the hill so it can detect when it's fighting something it doesn't know and switch to a generalist program
< 1422107856 500525 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebqisqbrtbimviv PRIVMSG #esoteric :egobot died?
< 1422107867 659351 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebqisqbrtbimviv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it still in here?
< 1422107940 82932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bfjoust hill on it was just broken for a while, I think
< 1422107947 644599 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebqisqbrtbimviv PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm when a znc ddos's you by accident
< 1422107952 351287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's working again now but everyone already moved to zemhill_ because it's nicer (modulo possible scoring brokenness that might have gone away by now?)
< 1422107981 679890 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebqisqbrtbimviv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the egobots prefix is invalid and it actually works but doesn't respond
< 1422107987 399644 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebqisqbrtbimviv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Albiet unlikely
< 1422107991 560320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust q <
< 1422107994 407352 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for elliott_q: 0.0
< 1422107996 9946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it responds, at least
< 1422108011 974461 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebqisqbrtbimviv PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guessed
< 1422108018 947684 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebqisqbrtbimviv PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not as fast as it was
< 1422108155 875542 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, possible broken scoring
< 1422108156 806501 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1422108163 600618 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only when something gets 100% wins, right?
< 1422108175 275881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: there was some very weird problem with the scoring that involved a bug in one of the libraries fizzie was using or something
< 1422108180 595665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now he's updated it so maybe it'll be gone?
< 1422108183 734948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what it was, honestly
< 1422108190 692617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you notice the scoring doing something really weird it might be that.
< 1422108268 182904 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :qa   
< 1422108268 430635 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> clearly you should run it on a GPU. or an FPGA. GPUs and FPGAs are the solution to literally everything. *especially* inherently serial, memory-hard problems.
< 1422108271 298470 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The really memory hard thing
< 1422108278 462640 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that everything has to be immutable
< 1422108284 118248 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can backtrace and lookahead
< 1422108291 591226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1422108302 685883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do it in haskell and construct an infinite tree of possible actions or whatever
< 1422108305 687252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be cool
< 1422108337 640602 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be using heavy hirsutics at all points
< 1422108338 754411 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.
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< 1422108347 584055 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I need a name)
< 1422108356 648359 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, Horace
< 1422108358 57368 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Lymia~omniscience? :D)
< 1422108377 869384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.hirsutics <.<
< 1422108389 352795 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... :(
< 1422108400 571252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorryyyy
< 1422108405 339382 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-;
< 1422108416 346162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw.
< 1422108510 718716 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about we not talk about my spelling. :o
< 1422108536 828787 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, so.
< 1422108553 657300 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I intentinoally lose one match
< 1422108559 659606 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can avoid making Markov scoring do 100:0, right?
< 1422108568 284728 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And stop the rest of the hill from getting stomped by randoms
< 1422108605 945772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think 100% is a problem with the Markov scoring?
< 1422108608 711376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget.
< 1422108615 626168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it smooths out all the weirdness
< 1422108627 461894 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :intentional_loss (.)*58442-
< 1422108632 25618 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er
< 1422108636 743418 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :intentional_loss (.)*58442(<)*10-
< 1422108644 82968 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, what, no
< 1422108646 874354 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :intentional_loss (.)*58442(>)*10-
< 1422108647 475385 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :There
< 1422108650 588043 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain stopped breaking
< 1422108662 986269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't that be *9?
< 1422108671 726658 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah
< 1422108678 335708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wouldn't the simplest intentional loss just be <?)
< 1422108683 852164 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no
< 1422108690 659824 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an intentional loss for the "beat hill" program
< 1422108699 941810 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would be set to die to that program exactly on one tape length and polarity
< 1422108712 278928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see.
< 1422108722 436626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be honest I wouldn't bother, getting 100% would be fun
< 1422108731 97097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus how would you keep intentional_loss on the hill?
< 1422108738 562355 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't stay :D
< 1422108748 625191 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm
< 1422108752 843358 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the scores would look like
< 1422108761 947649 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I try to lose to my own nyuroki if possible
< 1422108766 15397 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But beat everyone else up
< 1422108785 454212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just mean.
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< 1422110915 882204 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 2,5,37,137438953481
< 1422110916 285093 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bertrand primes III: a(n+1) is the smallest prime > 2^a(n).[2,5,37,137438953...
< 1422111004 981501 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1422111019 290478 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should define some obscure prime sequence myself
< 1422111090 651990 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try calculating the next term of this sequence instead
< 1422111093 249055 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^37+9, hmm
< 1422111106 283671 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it doesn't exist ;-)
< 1422111109 537363 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Although the exact value of the next term is not known, it has 41373247571 digits."
< 1422111117 421668 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(prove me wrong!)
< 1422111132 882076 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some would postulate that it does
< 1422111136 800645 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know, I'm being silly.)
< 1422111225 904451 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This sequence shows that there is a real c>1 such that floor(2^c), floor(2^2^c), floor(2^2^2^c)... are all prime.)
< 1422111278 216180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really cool
< 1422111319 99809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's making me think of a programming language where a program is a real and some predefined function is iterated successively on that real and that's the output, or something
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< 1422111333 743984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it reaches 0 it terminates, or something
< 1422111358 530322 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real-valued computers
< 1422111373 901974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Bitwise_Cyclic_Tag#Arithmetic_interpretation_of_BCT
< 1422111389 95593 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though oddly enough if you only allow basic arithmetic operations on reals your language isn't even TC
< 1422111394 300071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: like blum-shub-smale? are programs reals in that?
< 1422111398 98779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was more that they operated on reals
< 1422111400 333081 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, the first digit of 2^137438953481 is 2, so Bertrand's postulate is enough to determine the number of digits.
< 1422111408 631537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: the idea would be that the predefined function is baked into the language
< 1422111414 610880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the program is just a real
< 1422111555 60886 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, any function that generates a known fractal
< 1422111614 65015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, would that make it TC?
< 1422111632 824758 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the fractal
< 1422111633 114135 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i'm a fractal
< 1422111636 621877 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1422111640 827165 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^137438953481 = 28024843513561521356110345211558172132560257908867...67016571720973332183893354652688057470310890340352
< 1422111642 328864 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you turing complete
< 1422111656 913085 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a good way to get some middle digits...
< 1422111673 740164 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all zero!
< 1422111688 228386 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: that's unlikely.
< 1422111697 635366 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not in decimal.
< 1422111705 220878 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1422111711 778997 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. I meant decimal digits.
< 1422111730 623331 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bases 2,4,8,16,etc are somewhat boring.
< 1422111798 306713 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what if you predefine a continuous function
< 1422111842 394940 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the brutal way would work, storing the whole result in binary would take less than 20 gigabytes.)
< 1422111844 234856 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(continuous is not the right word)
< 1422111890 65736 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and, of course, be nicely compressible)
< 1422111900 724758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: do you have any reading material on iterating a fractal like that letting you encode turing machines?
< 1422111983 652989 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading? Sounds hard
< 1422112215 470391 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[...] show that for every Turing machine there exists a fractal set which can be viewed, in a certain sense, as geometrically encoding the complement of the language accepted by the machine"
< 1422112258 302119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you pick a fractal that can be viewed as a UTM, okay.
< 1422112267 433968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what doing the computation would actually look like though...
< 1422112286 835683 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They use IFS, so each operation is an affine transform
< 1422112337 440336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the computation turn into the fractal, or can you make a fractal which can do multiple computations depending on where you look? like, do you get "input"?
< 1422112338 146550 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you read off a result from an IFS?
< 1422112342 784763 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like they look at the entire fractal though, so it's nondeterministic in some sense
< 1422112360 493872 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or the sets of points produced)
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< 1422112398 166475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. for this I guess you'd want a fractal where you encode the input in the coordinate pair
< 1422112400 446709 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.complex-systems.com/pdf/07-6-2.pdf courtesy of the googlebot
< 1422112422 274606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's in wolfram's journal
< 1422112430 575581 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what the hell does your kimariji solution work?
< 1422112436 443730 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/work/do/
< 1422112466 358642 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it's simple: it does not build a trie.
< 1422112468 911500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, you can make a very boring but obvious TC language with the reals this way
< 1422112469 64859 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prove once again that haskell golfing basically reduces to abusing list comprehensions
< 1422112474 80987 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(scnr)
< 1422112494 941013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :treat the real as an infinite string of binary digits, interpret it as infinite program text in $your_favourite_language, run it on the input given
< 1422112519 369908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. then the function isn't actually total
< 1422112534 939615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f = do one step in $lang and return the state encoded into another real, I guess
< 1422112537 514146 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1422112541 972662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course you'd really want to pick a nicer f than that >_>
< 1422112594 975128 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: [v|u:v<-x,u==y]  collects the tails of those line (suffixes) that match the current line (prefix). This is just what you'd do when building a trie, but here the code is fused with the trie lookup.
< 1422112631 577415 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't even need most of the reals for that. Just let f be the steps in a fractran utm
< 1422112651 164924 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: and the [_] matches once the suffix is uniqe.
< 1422112717 840704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yeah.
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< 1422112721 720636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it's a boring solution
< 1422112730 726881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally f would be continuous or something else like that.
< 1422112801 487591 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use a vector field that pushes a point around in R^n
< 1422112982 505055 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: maybe you should just walk through the code on a small input like  f ["abc","d","abd"]. Note that the code will fail if any two lines are identical.
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< 1422113397 187547 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: http://lpaste.net/1836539165504700416
< 1422113456 261252 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, some of those "abc" are really "abcd"; I should not change the input in the middle of writing up the evaluations.
< 1422113492 505263 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: so try this instead, http://lpaste.net/3786567722205184000
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< 1422113547 219343 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
< 1422113633 725503 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume line 15 should be 'd' instead of a :p
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< 1422113644 733076 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1422113692 997543 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can see that the first argument to ? are the suffixes of the lines that match the already consumed prefix.
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< 1422113919 590949 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm could you naturally extend a generalised collatz function to the complex plane
< 1422113937 816425 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would give a fractal with provably undecidable properties
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< 1422114054 421454 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh now this is relaxing :)
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< 1422119200 569884 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent $30 and it's missing a part
< 1422119203 499207 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is very pissed off
< 1422119382 351984 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it reasonable for you to be pissed off
< 1422119476 558252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, spent $30 on... what
< 1422119512 241026 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Cardboard
< 1422119520 832447 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's missing a washer
< 1422119654 478294 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You spent $30 on cardboard?
< 1422119671 310533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're stumped at the lack of a cardboard washer?
< 1422119729 929167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recommend washing cardboard hth
< 1422119814 448787 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It includes lenses a magnet and NFC thingy
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< 1422120603 266640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of trying out the Cardboard, but I don't have anything to put in it.
< 1422120748 567949 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( oh you people with stereoscopic 3D vision )
< 1422120786 863161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Whose Cardboard did you buy? AIUI, we don't actually sell anything physical related to it.
< 1422120805 952842 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM CARDBOARD
< 1422120837 712819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally misinterpreted that at first.
< 1422120849 805335 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, calm down!
< 1422120863 642671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, it's the name.
< 1422120866 275640 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's play umbrella - rain - cardboard
< 1422120880 222102 :h0rsep0wer!h0rsep0wer@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422120888 713190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Cardboard beats umbrella? 
< 1422120892 380796 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422120893 684572 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess the cardboard wins over the umbrella in the same way that paper wins over stone)
< 1422121041 267366 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D is one dimension too much for me. this kind of thing gives me headaches.
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< 1422121090 469115 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boy, RL must be hard for you
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< 1422121133 25186 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :artificial 3D, like on nintendo's 3DS.
< 1422121157 115002 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about 3D cinimas?
< 1422121235 713483 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to be seated near the middle of the center row. otherwise I can't focus. and even then I can't perceive the added 3dness, unless it's that scene where objects float incredibly near you.
< 1422121288 904360 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
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< 1422122279 246780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We just went to a "4D experience".
< 1422122283 95467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was: pretty lame.
< 1422122292 374259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.londoneye.com/AboutUs/4D-Experience/
< 1422122307 185542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- our new 4D Experience is a groundbreaking 3D film with spectacular in-theatre effects including wind, bubbles and mist to add a breathtaking fourth dimension --"
< 1422122329 341579 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coca-Cola London Eye ... I'm tempted to stop reading.
< 1422122333 477164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(An amusement park back in Finland has been using the "4D" term for quite a while, and I'm sure it's common elsewhere.)
< 1422122344 524891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: That's why it's lit up red now, or so I've understood.
< 1422122370 898854 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid to ask what they do for Christmas
< 1422122471 88707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't here to see that.
< 1422123731 123371 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it's pretty common term
< 1422123760 460894 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should buy a similar plastic thingy
< 1422123764 619585 :h0rsep0wer!h0rsep0wer@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1422123773 73719 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which will presumably be non-defective
< 1422123774 932751 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, it was originally the British Airways London Eye
< 1422123786 997052 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe hardware store has washer? I still don't know how to assemble, and it's a bit annoying
< 1422123792 493628 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then Merlin Entertainments, then EDF Energy
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< 1422126269 391260 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker
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< 1422126336 600028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wheel in Helsinki is the Finnair Skywheel.
< 1422126340 325452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a lot smaller.
< 1422126359 107479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's spam subject line: "As the complete system is written in optimized assembly language, the GUI is fast compared to modern systems."
< 1422126380 154885 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good
< 1422126387 131279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The contents were unrelated, sadly.
< 1422126397 129620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The revenue was to come from duties imposed on the cotton trade, as well as any other goods coming through the port. Justin and Treasure train them to fight the crystal hunters. Krishna District to Repalle."
< 1422126425 872005 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I think you're the right person? to answer this.
< 1422126426 25493 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: let's go, why doncha!?
< 1422126434 58028 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1422126434 211560 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7* fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1422126444 498553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that from "doncha".
< 1422126445 634727 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style oots
< 1422126446 18888 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: oots (Order Of The Stick)
< 1422126452 586983 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: try again?
< 1422126452 916502 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the bad news, roy, is now, and he was in the army, too. and, as it is with my people, i would work as well without the rope, i am.
< 1422126478 373987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's people are known for working as well without the rope.
< 1422126478 601011 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you, uh, any reason... she's really angry. i don't. so if we trade, i get two things i would be as another sword arm this deadly but well-hidden booby trap, goblin friend and me totally gay?
< 1422126486 403632 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: can you send spam?
< 1422126486 557021 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: come to think, ears!
< 1422126617 663688 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is irritating when it almost makes sense
< 1422126617 915159 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: for that, my family would like my mode of transit returned, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, li
< 1422126625 946991 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice loop.
< 1422126730 472621 :loudspeaker!~roman2@80.246.50.48 NICK :mroman
< 1422126896 50991 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does fungot use Markov chains or what?
< 1422126896 240914 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: wow, that is such a stupid magic item that can allow my power to fail me again. if arcane magic cannot break you, i've been trying. bozzok can't be far behind.
< 1422126951 454744 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Markov chains would be near impossible to do in Funge :P
< 1422126998 410580 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nearly
< 1422127092 450283 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1422127182 939274 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses ngram models
< 1422127193 181103 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means Markov chains I think?
< 1422127203 718391 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way that's really impressive
< 1422127261 434937 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> fungot uses ngrams built from log data to generate babble; pretty close to a traditional markov chain thing. [...]
< 1422127261 588380 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: was that supposed to get that " video games, but ruling the world that worship them:
< 1422127297 918695 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1422127408 292831 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I've been thinking, Funge was made to be hard to compile but relatively easy to interpret. Would it be possible to create a language that is hard to interpret but easy to compile?
< 1422127409 492214 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess the quote predates fungot learning to babble in style.)
< 1422127409 645503 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: my was a first edition. with your magic! save us that you couldn't leave well enough alone and kill you, so that the dwarf, " stabby"
< 1422127438 611811 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think not
< 1422127465 710143 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: arguably ... http://esolangs.org/wiki/German ... for a fixed target architecture.
< 1422127487 908545 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"my was a first edition." how is fungot always so on-topic?
< 1422127488 112558 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: down too, only two more levels. dorukan wanted the bottom, that's coming aboard a ship made of hobgoblin corpses across that particular joke has any advice you could give you the power, as duly noted. i've been up on the mountain
< 1422127565 187199 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really a programming language though...
< 1422127570 860368 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make any binary file with it
< 1422127571 354323 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: it's a miracle. as far as I recall, fizzie said that fungot does not take context into account. so it's all your mind making connections. just like horoscopes.
< 1422127571 509233 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: your ass is bigger than the barn! v, i just need to keep, and it was wrong and also dangerous and we'll still have that safe room is right through here and now that your elven friend is comfortably trancing across that particular joke has to be some way to amuse yourself.
< 1422127593 997357 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I resent that.
< 1422127594 150490 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: to the room of a dwarven assassin who happens. the time, and there, that ought to be good.
< 1422127637 476353 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what size ngrams fungot uses?
< 1422127637 629464 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: i am the leader and strategic plan in the morning" to you, and the success of the way that i, myself, can hear? look at the shiny light some more?
< 1422127669 663324 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Markov bot that uses trigrams, but fungot seems vaguely more coherent than it.
< 1422127669 816814 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: down too, only two more levels and are that much closer and ambush, did we?
< 1422127768 572670 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be just because my bot uses the logs from a not-so-coherent IRC channel to construct its trigrams though.
< 1422127771 165235 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1422127803 901808 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube
< 1422127804 59358 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments)
< 1422127809 35010 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: be coherent
< 1422127809 277037 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah every 1 fuckin changes either for the second greatest one?). since the aircraft has an amazingly high voice?
< 1422127836 753584 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is the second-worst style, in my opinion)
< 1422127843 565180 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the worst?
< 1422127846 445778 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sms
< 1422127854 840903 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker
< 1422127869 102083 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style sms
< 1422127869 255454 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: sms (National University of Singapore SMS corpus, 2011-08-20)
< 1422127873 886990 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: be brief
< 1422127874 324378 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thanx for ur support. i see. now confirm got next time :-d btw this world. a city built up in dis world only thing i forgot ......ya the blazer for u hold it like ceo's do ok ..i am also holding me inyour arms. i can't give you everything you want. remember all the furniture is yours also... sighz
< 1422127886 110696 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube
< 1422127886 264004 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments)
< 1422127895 851879 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1422127896 5242 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube*
< 1422127901 740279 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1422127903 643765 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fungot
< 1422127903 833724 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself)
< 1422127906 706151 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1422127906 900146 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: or is it just me, or i: yet, you rogue!
< 1422127936 911489 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's the difference?
< 1422127937 166099 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: is. absorb it on my door, which was just perceptibly fnord and this yields nothing itself; it keeps being removed, the queen is a vain. yes, it's all right, it's been awhile prometheus!
< 1422127967 597929 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc
< 1422127967 751465 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams)
< 1422127985 85838 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting combination
< 1422127987 759296 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, say something.
< 1422127988 35053 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: i don't see how that hurts in writing a while-loop, you'd have to
< 1422128006 651035 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how what hurts? I'd have to what?
< 1422128006 826581 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: there is a python implementation. you can't do
< 1422128006 979925 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: spare us the cliffhangers
< 1422128007 219274 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: if it doesn't you need to reformulate what conditions you are trying to fnord you replace the in the second
< 1422128027 532654 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's just trolling.
< 1422128045 569292 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what conditions are you trying to fnord" :D
< 1422128063 755872 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is your opinion of parametric polymorphism
< 1422128064 20120 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: still havn't solved twenty :p the tortoise/ achilles might annoy you, i've seen
< 1422128105 634102 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: well, trolling is appropriate for the style.
< 1422128111 824584 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you think about ray tracing?
< 1422128112 280410 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: will someone who can " barely walk" can ' go out' with the dt nature of scheme which is probably much cleaner than c++. hah!
< 1422128151 757799 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so you think it's better to write one in scheme than in C++?
< 1422128171 745640 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's any good image libraries for Scheme.
< 1422128176 755205 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess fungot learned that on #scheme
< 1422128177 730 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: and c++ is a continuum between the two than i think
< 1422128195 416569 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas that sounds more like #esoteric
< 1422128249 862348 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> C++ is a continuum of languages, from C to some sort of crazy OO template thing and everything in between
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< 1422128693 981790 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/jj553512.aspx
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< 1422128907 420421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: It's variable-length. https://github.com/vsiivola/variKN
< 1422128936 343830 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think YouTube is censoring my recommendations.
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< 1422129246 83202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could figure out some statistics about the model but that would probably involve getting out of bed and finding something with a keyboard.
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< 1422131235 16588 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I touch 3d if my hand is 2d??
< 1422131255 590989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally your hand is in fact three-dimensional
< 1422131292 314853 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Tried an augmented reality thing which uses camera... of course, there's only one camera. So I could not move my hand to 'touch' the virtual objects. Looked like hand was always further away then the objects
< 1422131387 422536 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also my Google Cardboard was distressingly close to some HDs earlier :( I  hope nothing was wiped out. I heard HD cases are actually protective or something, or is that my imagination?
< 1422131686 105244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's actually quite that easy to wipe disks with (non-serious) magnets.
< 1422131699 77641 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even moderately serious ones.
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< 1422131785 877748 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you hit the HD very hard with a magnet
< 1422131792 565999 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fixed magnet in the voice coil actuator is a neodymium magnet...
< 1422131824 635254 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also is it bad I call my laptop's big memory thing its hard drive when it's an SSD?
< 1422131859 936354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Well, it's not *soft*.
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< 1422132056 770855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calling it a "HDD" might be more questionable since there might be less of a disk.
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< 1422133501 516025 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be a neodymium magnet. Although I think that's the thing I'm missing
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< 1422134150 850373 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is a neodymium magnet a 'semi-serious' magnet?
< 1422134238 712215 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's a matter of what you call "serious" really. I mean, they're strong but they aren't a high-power electromagnet or anything like that.
< 1422134299 982020 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :About as serious as you're getting *without* electromagnetism though.
< 1422134312 601198 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a serious one like the helium-cooled superconductor magnet in particle accelerators? or do you count the mere liquid nitrogen cooled MRI machines?
< 1422134330 862658 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Serious enough to cause risk to an HD inside a computer, or serious enough to cause risk to an HD not inside a computer
< 1422134374 900269 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: do you mean a hard disk that's assembled properly, or the platter of a dismembered hard disk?
< 1422134382 963277 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assembled properly
< 1422134392 72579 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :An MRI machine's magnet is probably going to do quite a bit of *physical* damage to a hard drive. :)
< 1422134414 642834 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard disks are surprisingly sturdy and resistant to all kinds of damages though
< 1422134417 738532 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I like them
< 1422134447 33196 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for MRI, their magnetic fields seem to be quite localized
< 1422134471 413696 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :High use of shielding.
< 1422134492 119874 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> is a serious one like the helium-cooled superconductor magnet in particle accelerators? or do you count the mere liquid nitrogen cooled MRI machines?
< 1422134492 272995 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, I don't mean how it doesn't go outside the room
< 1422134500 919397 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, MRIs use helium-cooled superconductors
< 1422134517 232487 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it stays very much in the cylinder, not much outside it
< 1422134522 126441 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ok
< 1422134545 430276 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, the outside of the cylinder has a lot of shielding as well. There's electronics out there. :)
< 1422134565 393258 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: there's no shielding on the side where my legs stick out of the machine
< 1422134569 306021 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's only air there
< 1422134569 903767 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that bit.
< 1422134571 654849 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's open taht way
< 1422134579 822414 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they let me keep my belt buckle on
< 1422134591 894151 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? what was it made of
< 1422134609 402065 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, probably iron?
< 1422134612 632105 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION meant data damage, not physical damage
< 1422134631 651342 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just magnetism being an inverse square law I suspect.
< 1422134640 630373 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, magnetism... isn't an inverse square law
< 1422134645 426178 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems too heavy to be aluminium
< 1422134652 534161 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm an idiot.
< 1422134677 840448 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Sure it was an MRI?
< 1422134757 486374 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes. that's why there was such a long waiting queue. I also had CT scan but that's easier
< 1422134766 30739 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :K then.
< 1422134845 1377 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess since it's small, fairly well-anchored and outside the machine you can get away with it
< 1422134872 432935 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BBx8BwLhqg
< 1422134900 1105 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes, and it probably matters which part of the body they're scanning
< 1422134914 646164 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if they wanted further down maybe they would make me remove my belt
< 1422134960 438140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't even safely take all non-magnetic metals into an mri because they can get heated inductively
< 1422134990 532364 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scary part of it though is that they make me remove my glasses early, BEFORE they lead me to the place that has all the warning label stickers 
< 1422135036 197680 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, I don't have metal parts in me, but still
< 1422135157 320425 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only serious magnets I've seen were at CERN.
< 1422135172 369652 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: used for what?
< 1422135173 251472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "serious" is defined by the existence of warning stickers.
< 1422135208 374983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think I'm just going to say "particles" as a pretty safe bet, since I don't recall exactly. This was more than ten years ago.
< 1422135527 881255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it maybe was part of ISOLDE, but that's just a guess.
< 1422135547 236959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think technically we did see the CMS, but it was being built and not operational.
< 1422135565 541831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some part of it, anyway.
< 1422135861 560488 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422135947 700718 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I keep thinking that David Bowie is dead
< 1422136029 389221 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1422136828 62332 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes Taneb in the parallel universe
< 1422136863 88819 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422136868 259315 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1422136881 130793 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O?
< 1422136911 367979 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ö.
< 1422136976 796076 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax, I got poked in a parallel universe
< 1422136998 799683 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ö
< 1422137030 701117 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting poked in an infinite ammount of universes that have a parrallel me
< 1422137037 427688 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you aren't alone
< 1422137072 936663 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, a parallel universe where David Bowie is not alive
< 1422137190 980457 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1422137289 365263 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I was poked by the boily of this universew
< 1422137622 741688 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-11-60.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1422137997 161320 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my
< 1422138005 201602 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait really¿¡
< 1422138026 12480 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1422138030 409059 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said so himself
< 1422138110 386084 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-*
< 1422138310 545206 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xbfehcpalkvxqpuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1422138615 179625 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn NICK :Zefphex
< 1422138663 872629 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex: I haven't asked you the The Question yet, did I?
< 1422138700 518094 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :What question?
< 1422138721 417289 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah!
< 1422138732 371630 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are your approximate geographic coördinates and body weigh?
< 1422138818 900451 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wot
< 1422138834 758096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you give up on answering that :p
< 1422138837 115018 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the The Question. the answers go in the File.
< 1422138845 439174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, *asking
< 1422138865 834312 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh
< 1422138872 70952 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: somewhat. it's like full feature movies made long after the main series have ended.
< 1422138880 930152 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk if I can answer that m'lady
< 1422138916 185588 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION strokes his luxurious beard. “hmm... no. ain't no m'lady. perhaps next week!”
< 1422138939 487301 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geographic location: Earth , on a hill somewhere Body weight: Average teenage boy weight of a depressed under fed kid
< 1422138980 951437 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll do, that'll do...
< 1422139008 231048 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
< 1422139022 577558 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can ask someone else who I am boily 
< 1422139043 234001 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to measure this channel's centre of mass.
< 1422139069 637770 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, could you PM me the coord you have for me?
< 1422139195 318510 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just average all weight down to the ages
< 1422139223 806397 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :per each different age 11-90 estimate the age and weight of each user 
< 1422139240 541799 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine them in one place of 300 ft 
< 1422139254 645255 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :And calc how much everyone is
< 1422139317 635634 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@24.147.92.185 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1422139359 803039 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-vdthhalkhczjltyi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422139485 599700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did this topic come from...
< 1422139493 725271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh. the literal /topic. not the topic of conversation.
< 1422139531 808156 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there was something in the chat about "cinnamon" but I've no idea what it referred to
< 1422139599 269380 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1422139923 175436 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cake water
< 1422139938 620771 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :there I have said a topic so I shall change it to exactly that
< 1422139948 31173 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :as that's how it apparently works here
< 1422139951 975995 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever heard cinnamon stumble over its words?
< 1422139962 230602 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn TOPIC #esoteric :Cake water | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1422139973 326786 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Sgeo_ 
< 1422139984 596351 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why an under score near your name?
< 1422139994 361917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you keep changing your nick?
< 1422140052 27558 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1422140065 232093 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My client's nickname thing doesn't show an _
< 1422140072 162859 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides that Quassel is defective
< 1422140097 652498 :h0rsep0wer!h0rsep0wer@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422140110 400083 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But presumably some disconnection issue where I stayed logged in and tried to log in again
< 1422140152 189543 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I can shachaf 
< 1422140172 250622 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have that strong of a dislike for nick changing you have to bring it up?
< 1422140217 56436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422140235 581671 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't you mildly Express you discontent over a period of time
< 1422140252 451247 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems easier and less intrusive of a persons being
< 1422140261 906538 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was listening to the radio, and they played a David Bowie song, and I posted here and on Tumblr that I am endlessly surprised that he is still alive, and then a while later they started talking about how amazing it is that Bowie has survived so long
< 1422140275 673981 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :He uses magic
< 1422140284 730248 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :That he steals from poking people
< 1422140303 527414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex: What's the point of what you're saying right now? What's the point of anything you say? What are you even doing here? I don't get it.
< 1422140339 901165 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the point of you talking to me if you don't get the point of me doing stuff
< 1422140355 324002 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't the point be to ignore someone you have no point of talking to?
< 1422140355 495237 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex: I am not David Bowie. I am not elliott. and I do not cosplay Nepeta Leijon on weekends.
< 1422140368 746907 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god
< 1422140379 870892 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott
> 1422140380 268523 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1422140382 225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric shachaf :shachaf
< 1422140383 334373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott
> 1422140383 360187 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1422140411 90238 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm playing skyward sword whilst making a data structure 
< 1422140563 994501 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, if you're not elliott, and I'm not elliott... then WHO IS ELLIOTT?
< 1422140574 73273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me
< 1422140576 729395 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm elliott 
< 1422140581 815655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :true.
< 1422140587 805991 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mystery solved.
< 1422140596 14271 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good work velma
< 1422141070 194642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like a IRC bot program that is using C and SQLite?
< 1422141122 926842 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422141380 86129 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1422141948 117580 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
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< 1422142210 895409 :skj3gg_!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422142254 192872 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
< 1422142305 75693 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422142365 982157 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422142502 292593 :skj3gg_!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit
< 1422142997 630216 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does it have any interesting features?
< 1422143202 563001 :skj3gg_!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422143625 860470 :skj3gg_!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
< 1422143713 221282 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
< 1422143888 394625 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't actually know of any exist yet by this time, although I may be able to write one.
< 1422144096 752479 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422144236 582010 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit
< 1422144411 952840 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422144431 339265 :skj3gg_!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422144516 207731 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1422144573 244527 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia!
< 1422144595 865836 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1422144605 268905 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hows yer weekend going
< 1422144655 163229 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :going pretty smooth. laundry, soup, freshly ground coffee, grocery, minecraft, unpronounceable vietnamese food, and a gin and tonic.
< 1422144661 674419 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's life on your end?
< 1422144702 603606 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :im in espana
< 1422144738 681508 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ended the evening with tapas, sangria, and sweet delicious latte
< 1422144775 803789 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, how did you end up in a spanner?
< 1422144794 71833 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :¡oh! ¿en qué lugar estás?
< 1422144796 693112 :skj3gg_!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
< 1422144813 374684 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :by being unable to type an enyay on this keyboard taneb
< 1422144817 505876 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422144830 181730 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1422144846 188487 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow a tour of sagrada familia before boarding a cruise
< 1422144850 914128 :skj3gg_!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422144869 738414 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pat pat
< 1422144873 255060 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: so you're in the North. how's the weather there? is it cold?
< 1422144893 37954 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION misses having a café con leche in the morning...
< 1422144903 172838 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its prettyy cold
< 1422144915 397756 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only when the wind blows
< 1422144956 366687 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the canaries will be warmer
< 1422144968 959885 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i'm not holding my breath
< 1422145003 777182 :h0rsep0wer!h0rsep0wer@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer NICK :a_piece_of_paper
< 1422145030 731768 :a_piece_of_paper!h0rsep0wer@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer NICK :its_write
< 1422145056 160727 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
< 1422145080 329675 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1422145089 784032 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never been to mainland Spain
< 1422145092 316854 :its_write!h0rsep0wer@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer NICK :h0rsep0wer
< 1422145121 660620 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in August when we were in Andalusia the Atlantic Ocean was warmer than the Mediterranean, so probably the Canaries will be not as cold. maybe.
< 1422145134 367512 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you should. it's quite nice!
< 1422145159 798367 :skj3gg_!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
< 1422145296 298316 :h0rsep0wer!h0rsep0wer@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1422145384 273063 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I'll be going on my first holiday without parents this summer, hopefully, but that's to Italy
< 1422145465 616898 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdbsfegogvlgevn PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eats cake
< 1422145477 485439 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has it
< 1422145525 471677 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ^^
< 1422145597 847537 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to learn the language as well as I can, but I am not doing much better than "Il uomo mangia un pollo"
< 1422145605 840922 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's wrong, anyway
< 1422145607 776221 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaargh
< 1422145609 261739 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422145679 82385 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not very good at languages
< 1422145688 383131 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily
< 1422145689 228226 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department.
< 1422145698 792865 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points to the Man Eating Chicken part ↑
< 1422145763 325934 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422145772 291163 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to be good at languages. please, thank you, and how to eat chicken are the most important parts.
< 1422145991 63734 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... did not mean to say "Man eating chicken". I was going for egg, but L'uomo mangia l'uovo sounds silly
< 1422146135 353118 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I went for the first foodstuff I could think of
< 1422146144 775883 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other than uovi)
< 1422146181 761818 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
< 1422147083 942866 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1422147180 25465 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :italy is good. i took my first nonparental tour there as well
< 1422147516 627347 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, whence are you native?
< 1422147526 97356 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422147576 393171 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quintopia
< 1422147577 278419 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia is our resident tl;dr generator.
< 1422147640 139144 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :East Timor and Dominican Republic?
< 1422147642 55595 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1422147796 273934 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio
< 1422147970 883688 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: quintopia is very mysterious.
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< 1422149055 465319 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am approximately atlantan
< 1422149206 645175 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1422150196 80450 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a few ideas about RULECARD but I didn't write much yet:  http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/rulecard/draft_version.txt
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< 1422150337 335253 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any comment of it so far?
< 1422150387 927603 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be having comments as soon as the page loads...
< 1422150404 16987 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is slowly burning his router away with a few torrents
< 1422150614 666946 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds interesting. do you have example programs?
< 1422150634 612047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the specification isn't even complete yet; it lacks a lot of stuff
< 1422150668 407913 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does what I have looks like OK or are there some things wrong?
< 1422150711 803916 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, everything seems pretty straightforward. except the unusual "@ ".
< 1422150790 905072 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :WEB uses the same "@ " although possibly an alias could be provided if that is too confusing
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< 1422154336 983406 :relrod_!~relrod@redhat/relrod NICK :relrod
< 1422154486 413934 :supay_!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oweoldxnhlpucqdd NICK :supay
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< 1422154584 990976 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude
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< 1422155601 715260 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host
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< 1422156086 739016 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1422156294 318795 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude
< 1422156783 619183 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed the puzzle.3 now it is http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/puzzle.3
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< 1422157334 286955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1422157644 673488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck spam, now there's a thing
< 1422157660 891345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a first, i suspect
< 1422157723 284019 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1422157745 253213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm requires login, i think it goes back on my queue...
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< 1422158079 56666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping
< 1422158079 847368 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
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< 1422160984 576339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Phantom_Hoover> but i mean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BBx8BwLhqg <-- that video had surprisingly interesting comments...
< 1422161023 262072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the subject makes that non-surprising
< 1422161071 933418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, i learned about nonmagnetic steel
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< 1422163360 154801 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
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< 1422163397 307156 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION heavy breathing
< 1422163411 940014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :call a doctor
< 1422163416 707316 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah
< 1422163424 699392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Zefphex 
< 1422163425 874237 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06Zefphex: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02<http://esolangs.org/>. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.)
< 1422163431 237594 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not new
< 1422163433 22641 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol
< 1422163435 24606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1422163444 863496 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome oerjan
< 1422163446 939683 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13oerjan: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06<http://esolangs.org/>. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07irc.dal.net.)
< 1422163454 215567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you're newly noticed
< 1422163455 17154 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome!!
< 1422163460 488637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why thank you!
< 1422163460 747064 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah m8
< 1422163465 726324 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm lilax
< 1422163468 532548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1422163485 520816 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or as it were the nick is assoiciated with lilax irc wise
< 1422163494 508022 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :I myself am not lilax
< 1422163503 617313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see now i've done a whois
< 1422163525 980896 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :How dare ye
< 1422163540 894857 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pets oerjans head
< 1422163553 880633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if i had suspected you were Lilax i would have done so already
< 1422163584 802016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if i suspected you were one of the banned spammers
< 1422163584 955299 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :You being a cake and all I must forgive you
< 1422163587 798308 :jbkcc!~jbkcc@c-24-6-1-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422163590 803309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm cake?
< 1422163614 933278 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also how could I be new I set the topic like 4 hours ago
< 1422163628 359284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i didn't notice who had changed it
< 1422163641 170750 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it were
< 1422163641 454859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not through the logreading yet
< 1422163652 684586 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay reading
< 1422163676 164695 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many books do you read a day oerjan?
< 1422163704 326026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Crêpes Suzette | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1422163725 678412 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hats!
< 1422163726 219411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex: about 0 these days, i have trouble reading longer stuff
< 1422163737 154609 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eyes?
< 1422163744 854794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eyes and neck
< 1422163754 258531 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dont slouch.
< 1422163768 414970 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you use glasses?
< 1422163774 287576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet
< 1422163786 89139 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric ://don't squint
< 1422163800 542142 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will prolong Vision
< 1422163848 859303 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422163991 562129 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help
< 1422164001 991227 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :@cmds
< 1422164005 381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1422164006 240147 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ples
< 1422164020 818412 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not online
< 1422164024 520960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: EMERGENCY
< 1422164034 782675 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're too late
< 1422164039 676807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1422164042 220739 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened
< 1422164053 577412 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:30:13 --- lambdabot has joined #haskell
< 1422164065 921519 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it even ?
< 1422164071 467943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422164072 161574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rejoining
< 1422164076 581636 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non
< 1422164095 649702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well i assumed since i didn't notice it _leave_, that it was a more longterm problem
< 1422164104 451576 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are Crêpes suzette's?
< 1422164107 148068 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was a netsplit
< 1422164116 712824 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1422164129 478451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex: french pancakes which are soaked in alcohol and set on fire
< 1422164136 336812 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so nothing unusual, but lambdabot should've restarted anyway. it failed.
< 1422164139 316612 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I was talking about earlier
< 1422164149 194039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought we should progress from cake water to cake fire
< 1422164149 347249 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :netsplits
< 1422164156 464841 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazing
< 1422164164 341328 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cake fusion?
< 1422164171 979270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot stuff
< 1422164184 950833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think french cuisine is considered fusion
< 1422164201 748752 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you speak France oerjan 
< 1422164203 414211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if we add just a little mango...
< 1422164214 438091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex: not very much
< 1422164225 666896 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish to go to French one day
< 1422164249 224136 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :French looks like the most made up word ever, I swear
< 1422164261 726144 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so Does Banana
< 1422164280 180786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crêpes suzette with mango and chili, now that's going to be thermonuclear
< 1422164289 311783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :agree on the banana
< 1422164317 88354 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now why did I get a privmsg from some bot right after saying something here, but from an IP unrelated to the users here. *sigh*
< 1422164318 233943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd link the minion song but i did so not long ago
< 1422164325 414522 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haunted French pancakes give me the crêpes
< 1422164356 125634 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what did the msg say
< 1422164367 462887 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :~Share~
< 1422164369 639055 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about an mirc script
< 1422164373 467664 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1422164374 99589 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1422164388 36265 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was spam.
< 1422164405 482495 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone was just talking to me about mirc script
< 1422164447 168894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well i didn't get a privmsg, so it's not something targeting everyone who speaks
< 1422164470 321906 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the timing was a coincidence.
< 1422164486 900164 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the user
< 1422164505 536941 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambodie_Dance
< 1422164515 30232 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1422164524 30617 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :that name
< 1422164527 585969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows it's spelled lambada hth
< 1422164538 342310 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Justifys everything
< 1422164553 968583 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I prefer lambda dance
< 1422164593 452704 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm bot nets
< 1422164636 908713 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no... I had to google... why am I doing this? http://lambdadance.spacebar.org/
< 1422164697 485774 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least it's not a cat picture)
< 1422164715 520018 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google calls to your soul int-e 
< 1422164723 638598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you have against the lambdacats
< 1422164769 214911 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess lambdacats are ok. I mean the 2 funny ones are.
< 1422164804 165942 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The number is an estimate. I went through them a while ago and most of them just made me groan.)
< 1422164835 649863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean there is a difference
< 1422164872 676558 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny things are supposed to make one smirk or laugh
< 1422164875 136122 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not groan
< 1422164875 688638 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1422164941 976129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
< 1422164955 782882 :arjanb!8259ac45@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.172.69 QUIT :Quit: bbl
< 1422164976 590275 :diginet_!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Quit: diginet has quit!
< 1422165011 124108 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422165016 620469 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422165044 598951 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: 123
< 1422165044 906346 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but that's not true. no more than four arrow operators is automatically cursed. they will be
< 1422165129 950996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so once you get beyond first, second, *** and &&& you should be safe?
< 1422165130 256073 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i prefer the ' normal form' isn't all that good
< 1422165152 581893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i'm not sure arrows have an agreed upon normal form
< 1422165152 836062 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what language is this in? ( rather easy with postfix. i don't think
< 1422165191 113970 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Postfix arrows
< 1422165236 154523 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, relational databases and arrows
< 1422165263 549659 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether these two concepts mix well.
< 1422165324 982749 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422165467 648792 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1422165468 609004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as usual, the arr function will ruin everything hth
< 1422165506 888732 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. right.
< 1422165538 591018 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :though &&& is also a bit inconvenient.
< 1422165596 557384 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's telling that its dual ||| is in a separate type class)
< 1422165619 673147 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422165703 488952 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1422165777 417219 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Neither &&& nor ||| work for bijections, that's a something I once wanted to use arrows for.)
< 1422165914 612105 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1422165930 814466 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422165954 747015 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t embed
< 1422165956 286945 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘embed’
< 1422165962 944805 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Data.Isomorphism.embed
< 1422165964 429950 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Isomorphism.Iso k a b -> k a b
< 1422166232 114038 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422166389 596915 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1422166907 260016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask boily <boily> it's the The Question. the answers go in the File. <-- wait isn't it the The File?
< 1422166907 676798 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1422167325 826629 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1422167991 401417 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sure do like to ask people stuff
< 1422167998 894773 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the lambdabots
< 1422168054 762702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how else can we get the important information
< 1422168120 724406 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remembering it and asking tommorow
< 1422168142 316020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my memory has issues
< 1422168206 435169 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man you have no idea what I go through with memory issues
< 1422168219 869134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed.
< 1422168231 126290 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :.0001% of my memory is all I can access 
< 1422168244 266601 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :estimations are very exact
< 1422168252 151284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so.
< 1422168280 740599 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you married oerjan?
< 1422168284 880276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1422168298 365127 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont plan?
< 1422168303 378914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1422168316 573033 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike children of my generation
< 1422168326 515299 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you don't want to pass on a legacy
< 1422168329 226890 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone else get email about brainfuck golf?
< 1422168334 422537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes
< 1422168334 606370 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1422168347 694399 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric ://doesn't even email anymore
< 1422168360 750931 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 minute mail is my friend
< 1422168382 565076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i looked at the page, saw that i needed to login, then closed.
< 1422168402 39442 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :To lazy
< 1422168407 994893 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt even look
< 1422168426 722313 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man I don't even know what a good job would be
< 1422168434 216861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the story is plausible enough, seeing the corresponding anagol rankings...
< 1422168455 208774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think both the example programs suggested are in fungot  :P
< 1422168455 537409 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but they *are* 128 bits. formicidae ignores them, but at other parties people dance just to look at
< 1422168458 537610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rev hi there
< 1422168458 690929 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ereht ih
< 1422168469 838793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball has it as a subroutine
< 1422168469 992103 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422168491 446286 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my cod its an 8ball cmd
< 1422168509 589248 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fungot is not bf?
< 1422168509 855857 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hmm... if it uses shared memory it will be " good"
< 1422168512 751195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex: it's not very 8bally, really. only answers Yes or No.
< 1422168517 518018 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be ^conch
< 1422168522 327285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!says who?
< 1422168522 480742 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :says who?
< 1422168525 506737 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :for magic conch shell
< 1422168564 421747 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean maybe those commands are. i wojldnt know.
< 1422168576 375728 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball should I delete my hack of pokemon silver
< 1422168576 569682 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422168581 604789 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :K
< 1422168614 47575 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the yes's and no's on routine intervals
< 1422168621 524977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show rev
< 1422168621 678192 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[.<]
< 1422168624 289162 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :like yes then no then yes again
< 1422168634 311356 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is in bf?
< 1422168634 630478 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex: calling add-hook with it's optional append argument set to true or false with the corresponding item.
< 1422168636 73997 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1422168649 195630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: fungot has brainfuck and underload as its command definition languages
< 1422168649 497776 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i have a fnord compiler in sed :p. but the small ones to take to peru
< 1422168650 450899 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Son, I am dissapoint
< 1422168679 895687 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show 8ball
< 1422168680 48992 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[[->+<],]>2+2<[->-[>+>2]>[+[-<+>]>+>2]<5]>4+<2[>2-+11[>+8>+4<2-]>+.+12.+14.>+2.<4-]>2[+10[>+7>+4<2-]>+.+33.>+2.<2]
< 1422168695 795910 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :compressed bf eh
< 1422168697 593720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex: the Yes and No are entirely functions of the input you give, because that's all a brainfuck-defined command can do...
< 1422168715 474797 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show ^show
< 1422168725 710528 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show show
< 1422168734 504309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :show is builtin
< 1422168735 134516 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems
< 1422168742 636998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus written in befunge
< 1422168743 806976 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a cat
< 1422168774 648727 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :$@hello
< 1422168777 39787 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1422168778 124200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge isn't allowed for defining commands in, presumably because it would be (1) hard to give 2d programs (2) hard to sandbox from the rest
< 1422168781 38199 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :I c
< 1422168793 744691 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex fungot.b
< 1422168794 38834 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i borked it :(. i hate lambda since i had to restart.
< 1422168799 415953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1422168799 569137 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
< 1422168801 199270 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ples
< 1422168809 752620 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :blob
< 1422168812 550473 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis
< 1422168819 718959 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :blob fision
< 1422168839 457983 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex /etc/passwd
< 1422168846 876481 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah 
< 1422168861 204036 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a very good cat
< 1422168876 712924 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently quintopia 
< 1422168900 191745 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah is not a reasonable error message
< 1422168906 420229 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :is : a syntax
< 1422168938 772981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's a symbol hth
< 1422168939 633890 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time limit for question exceedes It is indeed a syntax
< 1422168941 786955 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in english orthography? yes
< 1422168943 283063 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways
< 1422168949 646368 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :orthography?
< 1422168956 540083 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of it
< 1422168972 581336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball Should I tell Zefphex about HackEgo's `8ball command?
< 1422168973 414390 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without a doubt.
< 1422168983 27332 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1422169003 595390 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball Should I delete the s67 port
< 1422169004 31890 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't count on it.
< 1422169014 708156 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I need to 
< 1422169021 386072 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :I trust you HackEgo 
< 1422169023 475399 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball is Zefphex human?
< 1422169023 659203 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422169031 614567 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1422169040 381887 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball is Zefphex a cat?
< 1422169040 681983 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422169051 449738 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball is Zefphex cat?
< 1422169051 661368 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422169055 155968 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1422169066 167060 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball does Zefphex farts rainbows?
< 1422169066 349125 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422169075 693639 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex: at least you are not a liar
< 1422169118 572295 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :amaze
< 1422169206 956383 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1422169247 671786 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ever wanted to change my prefix to ^ I can just [@]changeprefix[@]stateadmin=[^] %devnull for absolutely no reason
< 1422169267 754126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1422169284 672571 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had steak a couple times
< 1422169293 529587 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was pretty good
< 1422169305 294202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too! slightly underestimated.
< 1422169310 763430 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you have caps on oerjan 
< 1422169323 600731 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that spell check
< 1422169326 416942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're ironic caps hth
< 1422169337 801046 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not get it?
< 1422169342 59358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :highly magnetic
< 1422169355 389452 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still does not get it
< 1422169368 837487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some things you just have to get used to.
< 1422169380 543826 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dalek voice* "explain!"
< 1422169401 804718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EX-TER-MIN-ATE see how nice caps are?
< 1422169411 14467 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop
< 1422169419 554782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much of a dalek then.
< 1422169425 64820 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are very bad for me
< 1422169430 728014 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dyslexia
< 1422169472 111612 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dyslexic dalek?
< 1422169477 20582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :killer caps
< 1422169484 149115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be death caps
< 1422169604 331057 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any of the bots have safety locks that disallow users to use it while its doing something like an update
< 1422169630 11131 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that sometimes cuz updates are hard to handle if everyone is using it
< 1422169644 750328 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man this chicken tastes like candy
< 1422169823 832902 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've lied to myself I'm not even eating
< 1422169883 109019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo has transactions, i think that's more advanced
< 1422169911 299951 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1422169950 112050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot has at least one race condition that keeps popping up
< 1422169970 885347 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kinda what the %devnull is that I put on the end of my cmd strings, Its not even proccessed by the engine that proccess the cmd its an invisible variable
< 1422169975 438035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think mostly they just quit for large updates
< 1422170024 403556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot isn't multithreaded at all, i think
< 1422170024 740324 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cf the original paper was ' lambda: the ultimate opcode') cpstk')) a)
< 1422170045 482779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the commands always run in sequence.
< 1422170115 111654 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :like eg; [@]stuffhere[@]state(userstatus)=admin so [@]stateadmin then what you want it to do in the dev terminal [@]change=[objecthere] then %devnull turns the bot off for all users while it does that
< 1422170127 443431 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :its really fucking retarded 
< 1422170133 28182 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse my France
< 1422170184 663147 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nibbles on cookie
< 1422170201 696977 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to stop swearing so excuse me if I do.
< 1422170953 639371 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna go watch downtown abbey
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< 1422171104 731930 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :isomorphic data structures
< 1422171130 327358 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdvonayyubdggpkv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go
< 1422171956 610795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you think of other variants of chess rating systems? There is Elo and Glicko and so on, but then what if you use Elo with inflation, or whatever? As it turns out Glicko also involves time?
< 1422171983 429405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wizards of the Coast now uses "Planeswalker Points", which in my opinion is stupid, you can earn points even if you lose.
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< 1422176201 410115 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8941621
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< 1422182560 86808 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date -u '27 Dec 2078'
< 1422182572 551386 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :date: invalid date `27 Dec 2078'
< 1422182666 60814 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date +%s -d '27 Dec 2078'
< 1422182666 923180 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3439324800
< 1422182712 385839 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` $(($(date +%s -d '27 Dec 2078') + 70 * 365 * 86400))
< 1422182713 205613 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: 5646844800: command not found
< 1422182718 110290 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $(($(date +%s -d '27 Dec 2078') + 70 * 365 * 86400))
< 1422182718 931257 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5646844800
< 1422182783 956544 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I have a file with this timestamp
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< 1422185633 542051 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Time travellers hth
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< 1422186456 235197 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't thought that will have becoming a plausible explanation.
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< 1422188414 410828 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's a time traveller?
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< 1422189406 286606 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :me
< 1422189420 716533 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm travelling forwards in time
< 1422189426 193795 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So technically I'm from the past
< 1422189518 624352 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1422189973 969310 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the key to being a time traveler is using weird tenses?
< 1422190238 734523 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1422190663 36682 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truth-machine SQL program:  with x(y) as (select $input union all select y from x where y) select y from x;
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< 1422190880 172497 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what's your opinion on smartbot3's ascension?
< 1422190880 397692 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well i got summer holidays now so :) i'm writing a funge-98 interpreter?
< 1422190895 978520 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, is that your idea of a good time?
< 1422190896 264961 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: gambit scheme runs on windows, the way this list will only ever rape me
< 1422190997 80753 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio
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< 1422191140 503176 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: postgres seems to require WITH RECURSIVE there.
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< 1422191225 142331 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Yes it is supposed to require RECURSIVE, but some implementations (including SQLite) don't require it.
< 1422191273 481288 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: now write the entire bot in the rcfile http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/qw.rc
< 1422191275 350567 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite allows but ignores the keyword RECURSIVE after WITH. (I am using SQLite so I didn't include it)
< 1422191452 94601 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparentely time travelling causes headaches
< 1422191455 336790 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as a heads up
< 1422191471 875713 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*heads-up
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< 1422192234 883957 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :A weird question: Anyone know anything about open source document databases with good full text searching and reasonable performance for large sets of (English) text data? I place higher importance on the quality of the search than the time.
< 1422192414 657265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite includes an extension for full text search; other than that I don't know if it is what you would be looking for or what else is available or whatever.
< 1422192466 86792 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried with full text search in postgresql, it was rather slow, but more importantly had a really limited syntax.
< 1422192494 735040 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not tried with sqlite, but I'm not sure that it will be suitable given the size of the data set (several hundred megabytes)
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< 1422192668 242911 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is for personal use. (Denial of service attacks are not an issue in other words.)
< 1422192681 289761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it would work so well either.
< 1422192760 736738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do know that if you are accessing it only from one computer and one process at a time, SQLite works well for such things. I don't know how the speed would compare, but I do know that SQLite is certainly capable of dealing with data of that size, although SQLite tends to work best for relatively small data.
< 1422192771 802796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lucene/solr/elasticsearch/whatever?
< 1422192814 655241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sphinx? xapian?
< 1422192822 499980 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dwarf Fortress has segfaulted on me 3 times today
< 1422192833 17935 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, thanks, I will look into those.
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< 1422192844 844577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lucene/solr/elasticsearch all being one recommendation)
< 1422192850 491736 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh?
< 1422192855 558090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, elasticsearch is based on lucene.
< 1422192861 515860 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard of Sphinx but not the others
< 1422192861 669076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I forget what the difference between lucene and solr even is.
< 1422192872 55191 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ah?
< 1422192873 523053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same project anyway
< 1422192877 849007 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1422192878 2427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan asked 7h 12m 50s ago: <boily> it's the The Question. the answers go in the File. <-- wait isn't it the The File?
< 1422192882 530800 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I don't really know why, it's just annoying
< 1422192890 984886 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, both appears to have astronomically inspired names
< 1422192928 312717 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan it should tdh
< 1422192928 466204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1422192962 664359 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks elliott, I will read up on these :)
< 1422192984 282718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :np
< 1422192986 517111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1422193035 662673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: of course those are more the search side of things though I think at least some of them have full server things to store documents in
< 1422193050 641278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're not like, fully blown mongodb document databases I guess
< 1422193112 741626 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I would really like to access it directly with a query language (which was the reason I tried with PostgreSQL first), rather than just have a more or less annoying API I have to call from another language.
< 1422193133 84093 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as long as it is reasonably simple to write such a query frontend for it, whatever
< 1422193236 558416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, these things are used for fulltext search by websites and stuff, so they can probably do that kind of thing.
< 1422193275 202680 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, and I think xapian is used for something with apt on ubuntu and/or debian?
< 1422193389 153506 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm yeah I will need to read up in detail on these to figure out which (if any) fits my needs.
< 1422193517 118284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(clarification: by elssticsearch being based on lucene, I mean based on top of, not that it is a fork.)
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< 1422193526 581524 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I found that
< 1422193536 842619 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not sure where solr comes into it yet though
< 1422193696 48945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had a todo list item of doing the PostgreSQL full-text search for my PostgreSQL IRC logs for a while, but never seem to manage actually do it.
< 1422193742 112695 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, with 8.3 it is super-simple at least, though it is apparently more complicated in older versions
< 1422193764 975552 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, 9.3
< 1422193766 884653 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not 8.3
< 1422193777 335746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was tricky when I was doing it for Darkhive.
< 1422193811 801988 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I just had to create an index like CREATE INDEX foo on bar (to_tsvector('english', full_text));
< 1422193812 617494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was around the time when they were making the then-extension part of PostgreSQL proper, or something like that.
< 1422193823 720991 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :No extension needed even
< 1422193830 667556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know it's simpler now.
< 1422193870 477933 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then queries are like: SELECT * from bar WHERE to_tsvector('english', full_text) @@ to_tsquery('hello & there')
< 1422193880 419517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is some more stuff you can do in the tsquery
< 1422193903 900602 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did have some issues getting it to reliably use the index when the query was complicated though
< 1422193912 726296 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what fixed it in the end
< 1422193915 691560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think optimally I'd like to have Google Code Search on my logs, but I don't think they've open-sourced that.
< 1422193921 975258 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed
< 1422193936 691522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, they open-sourced the engine.
< 1422193940 264528 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also google search isn't really good for all of that stuff
< 1422193942 966040 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, really?
< 1422193946 915566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google RE2
< 1422193948 517548 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/p/re2/
< 1422193948 671245 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: re2 - an efficient, principled regular expression library - Google Project Ho...
< 1422193954 171050 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1422193962 762744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the underlying regex engine.
< 1422193973 831175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp4.html
< 1422193990 306074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think code search involved other things that aren't really part of RE2.
< 1422194013 402709 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1422194015 15812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. that article goes into at least some of them
< 1422194027 691208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just good old n-grams, surely you have some code lying around for that.
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< 1422194091 424550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read the series, but it'd involve actual work, and who has time for that? 
< 1422194124 548250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you need to know now, I did find information about speed of SQLite's full text search. Using it to search the Enron data for "Linux" takes 0.03 seconds, versus 22.5 seconds when not using the full text search.
< 1422194172 31566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They still have the code search online for stuff hosted on code.google.com, I think.
< 1422194182 358508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the Chromium repository is code-searchable.
< 1422194197 265952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://code.google.com/p/chromium/codesearch
< 1422194208 786532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been assuming that's for everything there.
< 1422194210 580978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you see, SQLite will certainly do it.
< 1422194233 6921 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it is of course an improvement, but I'm not certain it will be that good for my use case.
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< 1422194380 409511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps, but what exactly are you trying to do anyways?
< 1422194384 925322 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, this doesn't do word stemming (I think the term is?) though does it?
< 1422194401 63497 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, as in, treat stuff like "casual" and "casually" the same
< 1422194414 701520 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a feature I really want
< 1422194431 64233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, no, it's a *code* search. I think it'd fit my IRC log search types better.
< 1422194444 736572 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, fair enough
< 1422194459 258102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although admittedly the code-understanding parts aren't exactly useful.
< 1422194469 93572 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, search a large corpus of long form English text.
< 1422194470 50345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It knows about declarations and definitions and that sort of stuff.)
< 1422194491 246333 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(long form as in "several pages" rather than "a line of IRC log")
< 1422194572 168274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did something with Lucene, but I forget what, and this was again a decade ago, so it's probably not at all relevant to the Lucene of now.
< 1422194573 29508 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about the search engine in something like sublime? Somehow it is lightning fast even with complicated regexes with backtracking for the code at work at least. And that code checkout is over 1 GB of C/C++
< 1422194625 839699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about that. But it's a commercial product too, right? 
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< 1422194637 526323 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sublime is nagware
< 1422194657 162808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have't really looked into it, it's quite possible someone's actually built something more turn-key on top of, say, RE2.
< 1422194665 886864 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :With complicated regex, I mean using generalized zero width assertions and so on as well, which apparently is tricky to handle
< 1422194694 9903 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, possibly it does something smart to filter down what parts to use full on PCRE on then?
< 1422194729 207974 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it isn't slow even with back references and so on. (Though I haven't tried the pathological cases)
< 1422194774 65209 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there is also ag/silversearch iirc
< 1422194780 910583 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is an open source command line tool
< 1422194782 200978 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a zero width assertion?
< 1422194813 973900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm sure it does "something smart", possibly the kind of things talked about in the link elliott provided.
< 1422194835 585701 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, Simple examples are stuff like ^ or $, but PCRE at least support generalized "(not) preceded/followed by general regex"
< 1422194854 61251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Chromium code search is pretty fast, too, and I think that's quite a pile of code.
< 1422194857 434907 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, asserting there is a word boundary with \w would also be a zero width assertion
< 1422194870 326273 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. aaaaaaah.
< 1422194871 904194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think SQLite full text search does it. It doesn't do regexes though, but it can do stemming.
< 1422194872 675552 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, talked too much, haven't read it all
< 1422194877 224485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention the Google-internal stuff, because I'm likely legally barred from mentioning them.
< 1422194893 141840 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway ag is fast and afaik doesn't build an index in advance, not quite as fast as sublime though
< 1422194910 405718 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh yeah, you work at google now
< 1422195011 177475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and I think it's uncontroversial to say they have a lot of source code.
< 1422195030 776192 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh
< 1422195045 252967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A checkout of the open-source Android tree is 50 GB, according to the public site.
< 1422195051 42550 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit
< 1422195052 178993 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what do you work on there btw? Anything you can tell at all? Like which product you work on
< 1422195113 502309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the Android "Google" app, I think I'm allowed to say that much.
< 1422195144 398792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google's HTTP server is defective; sometimes HEAD requests return a 404 error even though GET works, and headerless requests will still emit a header in the response.
< 1422195152 43554 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the thing I disable the first thing I do on new android devices
< 1422195164 458564 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all that "google now" crap
< 1422195166 237885 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should fix them if you work for Google by now?
< 1422195194 379942 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, he works on a different part as stated above
< 1422195209 78952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then tell the people that work on that part.
< 1422195225 337154 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so now, from the inside: Is google evil these days?
< 1422195234 588770 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1422195260 174675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[RESPONSE REDACTED]
< 1422195262 796154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, that's weird.
< 1422195266 653075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell even from the outside, they are partially evil these days.
< 1422195286 674893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be pretty great if fizzie fixed google's http server because of zzo
< 1422195289 58842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20% time and all that
< 1422195315 433637 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh
< 1422195325 40335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If you don't work on Google's HTTP server, then can you please tell the people that do work on such thing.
< 1422195335 59257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *could* file a bug on it, technically.
< 1422195346 445018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible their view on what's "broken" might differ from yours, though.
< 1422195375 567823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have an URL that consistently returns a 404 on HEAD but 200 on GET? 
< 1422195378 634633 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, I think that would be clearly specified by the relevant RFC for HTTP
< 1422195404 734356 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also who the hell uses HEAD requests except for debugging?
< 1422195409 1246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have it now, but I have found it before; I think it was a download from Google Code.
< 1422195442 411447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to figure out the exact file size before downloading.
< 1422195500 647142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right...
< 1422195609 856261 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe fungot knows.
< 1422195610 201228 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: buy an artificial nail, maybe a few other servers, including lighttpd itself, another address, inside of a language to write a
< 1422195774 7997 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :For want of an artificial nail
< 1422195800 581127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You seem to be right about that.
< 1422195807 156817 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, after reading about codesearch, what *did* happen to the language Go?
< 1422195819 689196 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it still actively used? Outside google?
< 1422195841 69797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... pretty hugely popular
< 1422195852 678060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used on the backend for a lot of major things
< 1422195863 875597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's kind of dropped off the peak of hype, though.
< 1422195883 114148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may have heard of docker, that's written in go
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< 1422195998 138924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I dunno, I feel like it's trendy again
< 1422196006 917313 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, interesting
< 1422196025 949945 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :context?
< 1422196044 657134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like Go is eating up a lot of the node.js mindshare as people realise how awful javascript is or something
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< 1422196106 596807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does JS or PHP have a larger success/quality ratio?
< 1422196162 47482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think JavaScript is a better quality programming language than PHP mostly.
< 1422196193 982432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can sort-of see how the low quality happened in both cases, JS was invented on a crazily tight deadline, whereas PHP wasn't intended to get as big as it id
< 1422196203 835345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: JavaScript's probably also more successful though
< 1422196306 548651 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What unit is success/quality ratio measured in?)
< 1422196347 708369 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, obviously, if you want to script in the browser (client side), it is basically js or plugins that are the options
< 1422196367 467411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS has made inroads into the server
< 1422196373 45074 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And plugins are dying out, slowly. Doesn't work on most mobile devices and so on
< 1422196373 198747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, client-side PHP is still basically unused
< 1422196374 716477 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes
< 1422196382 619284 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that even exist?
< 1422196384 73712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking just about the programming languages in general and not specifically for webpages or any other specific use.
< 1422196410 684194 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I was just saying that nowdays, for scripting in a web browser, js is your *only* option. Which means it will obviously be successful.
< 1422196415 684653 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both JavaScript and PHP are usable for command-line programs too.
< 1422196419 398800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: put it this way: a statement that it /didn't/ exist would almost certainly be proved incorrect
< 1422196434 467311 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah
< 1422196455 215944 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever heard of a web client that ran php
< 1422196462 181251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially considering that we're in #esoteric
< 1422196479 506641 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1422196493 746176 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1422196529 273098 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-webserver PHP existed, though (I think a full win32 API binding even existed for it)
< 1422196538 650007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm finding it hard not to interpret that as "brb, writing a method of running PHP client-side on the web"
< 1422196548 853634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Client-side PHP in action: https://github.com/K-S-V/Scripts/wiki
< 1422196551 77701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there is a full win32 API binding for PHP.
< 1422196561 865260 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also GTK for PHP, and many other stuff too.
< 1422196575 398185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's used by the unofficial command-line downloader for YLE's (think "Finnish BBC") watch-TV-on-the-web site.
< 1422196617 252420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They're using the Adobe HDS thing, and I guess nobody's bothered to reimplement that PHP script in anything more sane.)
< 1422196617 510780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it's weird to think of other countries having a BBC equivalent
< 1422196621 427775 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, a web client itself written in PHP
< 1422196623 262827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the BBC is in such a weird place
< 1422196637 972484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, little-known fact: the BBC doesn't get all the license fee funding, all TV channels get it to some amount
< 1422196650 271755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally to persuade them to run news programs
< 1422196676 62454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The TV license fee stuff is quite strange. AIUI, you have to pay it if you watch anything describable as "live TV", even if it's just some random live webstream from some non-UK place.
< 1422196678 758364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some channels like channel 4 put a lot of effort into their news, and I think it's because they get compensated for much of the money they spend on it via the license fee
< 1422196705 959751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's something like that, I'm not 100% sure on the exact rules
< 1422196720 61749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that streaming the broadcast channels via the Internet without a license is against the rules
< 1422196732 285173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but watching a replay of a program that aired half an hour ago is completely fine
< 1422196771 547180 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's understandably overreaching, because it's designed to prevent people from weaselling out of the fee
< 1422196786 700431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: For some reason, the +1 and +2 channels are still "live TV", though.
< 1422196802 955993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do I need a TV Licence to watch +1 or +2 channels?"
< 1422196804 136319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes you do, as you’re still watching live TV.
< 1422196804 289747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :‘Live TV’ means any programme you watch or record at the same time as it’s being shown on TV or an online TV service.
< 1422196806 882138 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it also depend if it is color picture or not?
< 1422196807 463471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you only ever watch ‘on demand’ programmes, you don’t need a TV Licence. On demand includes catch-up TV, streaming or downloading programmes after they’ve been shown on live TV, or programmes available online before being shown on TV."
< 1422196816 541581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: There's different prices for color and B&W, yes.
< 1422196890 794861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do I need a TV Licence to watch live TV programmes from outside the UK or Channel Islands?"  "Yes, you need a TV Licence if you watch or record live TV online, no matter where it is distributed from. This includes online streamed programmes from outside the UK and Channel Islands."
< 1422196895 443420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's really complicated is what happens wrt TV licenses for families
< 1422196919 253061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you only need the household licensed, typically, and that covers the TVs/computers in the house
< 1422196921 537126 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once suggested that you could use encryption; the Y component is encrypted with one key, and U and V with another key; these keys are distributed ahead of time to subscribers and are made public several days later.
< 1422196928 901320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then when someone takes a portable TV out of the house, it gets quite complex
< 1422196942 803862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Also I think our rent agreement stipulates we pay the TV license fee, no matter what.
< 1422196947 112786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be that it depended on whether it was black or white or not
< 1422196958 501830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: satellite TV used to use encryption, and probably still does
< 1422196969 565464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a bit of a row because Sky were encrypting the BBC signal and the BBC asked them not to
< 1422196992 82021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But does it use a separate key for the Y signal as the U and V signal?
< 1422197014 595600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1422197018 733912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also heard there is apparently no fee for audio, so that shouldn't be encrypted.
< 1422197033 710607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I doubt that there's anyone who's likely to pay for specific channels in black and white only
< 1422197184 143287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: huh, why
< 1422197232 669909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know, and I don't know if it's going to be in the final contract, but it was in the draft we saw.
< 1422197254 174081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Given how vague the official rules are, we were thinking it's not going to be worth it to complicate things by complaining about it.
< 1422197260 135866 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Are you sure?
< 1422197263 939277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There's been enough of complications w.r.t. reference checks etc. already.
< 1422197295 474641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :complaining about the tv licensing fee on a google salary seems rather pointless
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< 1422197312 94903 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> Vorpal: Client-side PHP in action: https://github.com/K-S-V/Scripts/wiki <-- oh god
< 1422197356 940595 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well that looks like command line, rather than client side browser
< 1422197380 876237 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> hmm, it's weird to think of other countries having a BBC equivalent <-- Sweden has SVT, pretty sure Norway also has something like it, NRK iirc?
< 1422197421 263063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also possible for a program in PHP to check if running by command-line program or not.
< 1422197446 314096 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> If you only ever watch ‘on demand’ programmes, you don’t need a TV Licence. On demand includes catch-up TV, streaming or downloading programmes after they’ve been shown on live TV, or programmes available online before being shown on TV." <-- what about Twitch?
< 1422197453 624150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The FurryScript implementation does this.)
< 1422197464 20458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: As I read it, that's "live TV". But I'm sure I don't know.
< 1422197473 699569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And it's a command-line "client", but sure.
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< 1422197517 373891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is furryscript called furryscript again
< 1422197552 562288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to an obsolete version of something called "Seventh Sanctum"
< 1422197615 102388 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have seen command line php stuff before yeah, though for stuff like maintenance scripts for mediawiki and what not
< 1422197623 318058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The reason is somewhat obscure, but that's basically it)
< 1422197625 572641 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really stand-alone stuff
< 1422197628 879391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The problem you described is discussed at https://code.google.com/p/support/issues/detail?id=660 where you could e.g. post a comment or star the issue. Though given that it's been 7 years and has 145 stars, I'm not entirely sure how much that would help.
< 1422197663 33050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :furryscript should ideally only be usable by furries
< 1422197741 390336 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw, another random google feature request: TTS on Android for Swedish. Would be useful for in-car navigation. If I set it to English where there is TTS support I get much more detailed descriptions from the routing application.
< 1422197754 757111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, it is usable by furries, but anyone else can use it too, it doesn't try to exclude anyone please.
< 1422197756 17742 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then the place names are spoken horribly
< 1422197776 135986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie can you fix google so it gives the results i want ? thanks
< 1422197793 686987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie can you give me a google-branded pen
< 1422197794 558771 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah and also, make them stop spying on people.
< 1422197801 321363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i felt really hi-tech when i used one
< 1422197805 45298 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And google glass
< 1422197805 680989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I am unable to put in there the report.
< 1422197812 321592 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, XD
< 1422197823 709601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie can you tell larry page about me
< 1422197842 376406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Huh, there's no Swedish TTS? 
< 1422197851 834984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie can you ask larry page if he got into web stuff because of his surname? was it fate or did he change his surname to page because he liked web pages so much. was he originally called larry smith or something
< 1422197854 843326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And reply #31 is the same one as my problem with it.
< 1422197873 45907 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not with the default Google TTS thingy no
< 1422197876 343486 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Android
< 1422197890 896260 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there are third party apps, I tried one, it crashed when I set it as the system's default TTS
< 1422197895 130787 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TTS engine*
< 1422197911 565804 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was apparently not working with kitkat
< 1422197929 489898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I know some people on the TTS side, but even if I asked them about when Android's going to get Swedish TTS, I wouldn't be able to tell you the reply.
< 1422197937 558492 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right
< 1422197949 418774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie can you find out exactly how sergey sergery brin is
< 1422197954 120630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sergey
< 1422197960 235505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there still is the other defect too, which is that it improperly emits a header in the response even if a headerless request is used.
< 1422197960 899177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I might mention it's a popular user request (N=1) at lunch, though the chances of that affecting anything are pretty small.
< 1422197971 465851 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think it is silly though, because google translate can speak Swedish
< 1422197987 531593 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so why the more generic TTS can't, I don't understand
< 1422197988 751311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :union of soviet sergey republics
< 1422198013 777128 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably it is online and not offline or something
< 1422198027 821827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :These two defects I reported are really the only two things I really care about fixing.
< 1422198075 438357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google does a lot of other stupid stuff too but I don't care about it.
< 1422198099 937107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It does have an offline model. If you go to "settings / language & input / text-to-speech output / Google text-to-speech engine" (at least pre-Lollipop), there's a "download voice data" thing.
< 1422198113 694409 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I know, and Swedish is not in that list
< 1422198119 215613 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is yes
< 1422198128 294284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, unless you meant that Google Translate is online, which is undoubtedly true.
< 1422198150 280429 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, exactly, it probably fetches the spoken line in Swedish from the google servers
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< 1422198196 504887 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But since you thus demonstrably have TTS for Swedish, why not put it in the Google TTS system-service provider thing as well
< 1422198209 263241 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is basically all I'm asking
< 1422198238 615663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't think they use the same models offline and online. I mean, resource constraints and all that.
< 1422198255 140520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Or did you want the online thing as an Android TTS engine? 
< 1422198296 170970 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yeah I want offline model, since often I'm in areas with no mobile coverage, or only GSM when I'm driving
< 1422198320 394323 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess that could explain it
< 1422198352 806713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it was a publicly posted thing, I think I can mention that Google was looking for a fixed-time (12 months?) contract person to work on TTS on Finnish. The message was passed around on our university group lists a month or so ago.
< 1422198358 96265 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if it tried to download the driving instructions on 1 bar of GSM, I would be way past the turn before it finished :P
< 1422198381 624783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that they do have Finnish TTS online, it sounds quite possible it would be about offline TTS, since Android doesn't do Finnish either.
< 1422198405 224928 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Hm, interesting, Isn't Finnish a smaller language than Swedish though? But I guess there could be linguistic reasons that makes it higher priority
< 1422198407 365796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And given that Sweden is a bigger market than Finland, it wouldn't surprise me if they actually had a plan for this.
< 1422198423 130663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this is all unverified. I could find out, but then I'd have to stop talking.
< 1422198428 723310 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1422198621 795120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can give you a Google-branded pen if I ever meet you (and happen to have one on me).
< 1422198638 312966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got four as a souvenir from the job interview.
< 1422198659 574593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about the rest.
< 1422198672 860972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well one out of ~twenty isn't bad
< 1422198689 411320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we going to meet up for you to give me a google pen and two old unix boxes
< 1422198691 563056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because: awesome
< 1422198829 494284 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is so special about these pens? Apart from the brand? Are they the usual bad quality of every other branded pen?
< 1422198849 590169 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, non-pen-manufacture-branded)
< 1422198965 974687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they say google on them
< 1422199183 409829 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1422199208 160320 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently most of the reddit server side code is open source? Huh.
< 1422200152 443936 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Qq14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41723 5* 03InputUsername 5* (+283) 10Added a question
< 1422200196 145782 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Qq14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41724&oldid=41723 5* 03InputUsername 5* (-283) 10I am stupid. Never mind. Removed question.
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< 1422200352 150536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think they were above-average, but nothing to write home about. (Perfectly okay for writing home *with*, though.)
< 1422200421 787584 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1422200551 629716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The set of four I got were a set in the Google colours (blue, green, red, yellow), and then I had a more vaguely coloured one (teal, maybe?) from a Google event at the university few years back.
< 1422200586 394837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we have an employee discount in the Google merchandize store.
< 1422200617 112902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.googlemerchandisestore.com/ <- this thing.
< 1422200658 282300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :random people can just buy google-branded merch?
< 1422200659 654200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so fucked
< 1422200693 48380 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a business
< 1422200728 663723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want this google merch
< 1422200747 523216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We streamline our web products, so why not streamline your capuccino cup? This mug has an insulated band around, cleverly negating the need for a handle. With white Google logo printed onto the coloured band.
< 1422200777 234780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cover your laptop in stickers. Cover your friend in stickers. Cover your cat in stickers (note: we do not recommend doing this). The countless ways to use these super cool stickers are waiting for you explore. The sheet contains 13 stickers of the full color Google logo.
< 1422200791 599535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :These fabulously fresh, beautifully presented mints make as good a gift as they do enjoyed by you alone. Each individual mint comes printed with the mulit-coloured Google logo, and it's also on the lid, so you can re-use the tin when the mints are gone!
< 1422200807 518455 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sold
< 1422200856 558298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.googlemerchandisestore.com/Google+Redesign/Brands/Chrome/15+Chrome+Squishable.axd
< 1422200859 969351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrome plushie
< 1422200889 519630 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally chrome can be squishably soft
< 1422200926 739516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.googlemerchandisestore.com/Google+Redesign/Brands/Android/Sportula+3-Piece+Set.axd?cid=689&page_no=3 what the fuck
< 1422200945 224709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could furnish an entire house with just google merchandise
< 1422200977 22245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.googlemerchandisestore.com/Google+Redesign/Brands/Android/Android+Meat+Brander.axd?cid=689&page_no=5
< 1422200979 988502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1422201001 154793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a "MEGA Android" for $70 but Sorry, we can't find that page! It might be an old link or maybe it moved.
< 1422201002 773400 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a scale from 0.0 to 1.0 how good is zero dark thirty
< 1422201051 169695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1422201072 779030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you're a fan of torture porn propaganda)
< 1422201160 19022 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
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< 1422201384 846552 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D https://www.googlemerchandisestore.com/Google+Redesign/Fun/Go+Gopher+Blue+Squishable.axd?cid=1399
< 1422201388 288075 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> We streamline our web products, so why not streamline your capuccino cup? This mug has an insulated band around, cleverly negating the need for a handle. With white Google logo printed onto the coloured band. <-- we have coffee cups like that at work, I wouldn't recommend them, doesn't really work
< 1422201424 962854 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know Go at all, though I'm mildly curious about it, but I love the weird gopher logo)
< 1422201460 398440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane_: that is one of the few products in this store I wouldn't be terrified/vaguely repulsed to find in my house
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< 1422201488 917590 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Most of it's just stuff that no one will ever own unless they get it free for working at Google. 
< 1422201499 117580 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's just adorable, in a horrifying sort of way.
< 1422201546 312729 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You mean it tries to justify torture?
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< 1422203080 17152 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although from a visual standpoint Saw is much worse
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< 1422204666 279720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
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< 1422205086 615198 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there still?
< 1422205110 666874 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which postgresql python module did you use for the irc log import?
< 1422205144 536415 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also where is the code for it? I know I have it somewhere, but I'm not sure where
< 1422205186 882426 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also elliott I got a topic you might be interested in: the unsuitability of file systems.
< 1422205225 495240 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, basically, I find that the hierarchical model of file systems breaks down for your home directory, it starts out all nice and clean on a new install, and a few months down the line it is a mess.
< 1422205242 720426 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you try to keep it sorted
< 1422205259 984188 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm now wondering what a better option would be
< 1422205507 957196 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, some sort of tag cloud thingy perhaps?
< 1422205567 70317 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have "pockets" of hierarchy (like a project with source code) as entries in the tag cloud. And the tag cloud itself, could still be found under /home/name
< 1422205613 605895 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be hell to make it interoperate with existing unix tools though
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< 1422207339 579265 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I think tails is trying to bait me into revealing my "Reversed 8bit numbers" solution, he submitted improvements to two related problems.
< 1422207477 457629 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's not that far away anyway, I expect he'll get there.
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< 1422207983 672536 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML5 parsing is a mess...
< 1422208183 11267 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/FMNSSun/hs-shenanigans/blob/master/html.hs <- you should use CoolHTML
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< 1422208208 29177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: psycopg2, and I don't think I've shared my log stuff anywhere, it's all pretty ad-hoc.
< 1422208357 435502 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: that's closer to xml than html. html allows many end tags (and even some start tags) to be omitted.
< 1422208420 376458 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/syntax.html#optional-tags
< 1422208439 705152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm <p> would be a commonly omitted start tag, no
< 1422208486 809338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's used as if it's a delimiter despite theoretically being a tag surrounding the whole paragraph
< 1422208519 825713 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://104.167.104.168/index.html is valid HTML5, for example.
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< 1422208629 523112 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the <p> can be omitted, too. isn't that fun)
< 1422208664 933877 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :though obviously that results in a different parse tree
< 1422208670 112572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there a stupid "Add developer-view styles" button hovering (too close too) in the middle of the page
< 1422208711 364123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even w3.org cannot design properly :(
< 1422208730 338847 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which page?
< 1422208730 492264 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm you shared some code with me, then I rewrote part of it iircf
< 1422208732 131503 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc*
< 1422208761 349688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<int-e> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/syntax.html#optional-tags
< 1422208773 347741 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, I'm using BeautifulSoup4 (python) for web scraping, since I used it before, and thus know it.
< 1422208794 81412 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: looks fine without javascript? let me enable it...
< 1422208802 247478 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, Also the document is not well-formed
< 1422208836 385599 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see. Still, it looks fine without Javascript, so I didn't notice.
< 1422208837 407198 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, the issue I'm facing atm is that it has <meta name="keywords" value="...>, that is no closing " for value. The parser does resync after a couple of tags, but it is still annoying.
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< 1422208911 793409 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I see the button, it is in the top left
< 1422208929 717752 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: funny, it appeared near the top right for me
< 1422208936 622055 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err yeah top right I meant
< 1422208939 852852 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in firefox
< 1422208965 283567 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, iceweasel, debian rebranded firefox, here
< 1422208982 137524 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same in chromium though
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< 1422209049 877905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :earthbadger
< 1422209097 642941 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway, the issue with psycopg2 is that it doesn't appear to support prepared statements
< 1422209103 762378 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is rather annoying
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< 1422209193 576982 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, one Haskell entry for Evil Numbers, but it doesn't feel optimal yet
< 1422209267 686043 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, what constitutes an evil number?
< 1422209284 277960 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Evil+Numbers -- I guess it's a pun on "even"
< 1422209328 445812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also the indices of 0's in the thue-morse sequence, i think
< 1422209331 716063 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1422209354 611690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now waits for int-e to use that to shorten it
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< 1422209451 15355 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I knew that
< 1422209457 343913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
< 1422209463 654519 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm how does virtualenv in python work?
< 1422209479 18922 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might help with this mess of modules
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< 1422209704 122167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> you could furnish an entire house with just google merchandise <-- let me guess, someone already did.
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< 1422210036 306248 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: only an idiot writes fail-safe parsers
< 1422210038 944587 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously
< 1422210056 151108 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the hell did people start writing parsing that try to make sense of illegal stuff
< 1422210061 914033 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*parsers
< 1422210065 808209 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, I have no idea
< 1422210070 429415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: hehe
< 1422210077 533129 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like writing a compiler who doesn't say "error"
< 1422210085 5291 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The web would have been better if browsers had been strict from the get go
< 1422210089 33619 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather tries to continue compiling in a creepy way
< 1422210095 331507 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, uh, some scripting languages are a bit like that.
< 1422210116 770826 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :javascript obviously to some extent
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< 1422210149 478192 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though not to the extent of HTML afaik
< 1422210178 747864 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :html parser should've failed hard from the beginning on
< 1422210188 926897 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*parsers
< 1422210190 157534 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly what I just said
< 1422210193 178112 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: because idiots were supposed to create web pages
< 1422210199 66955 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :too late now
< 1422210235 200898 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the same way idiots were supposed to write SQL queries?
< 1422210245 134380 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is SQL accepting?
< 1422210259 740152 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm less sure about SQL
< 1422210276 603482 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but I thought it was designed for idiots to use
< 1422210287 11307 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. "ask questions in an 'english' fashion"
< 1422210314 505951 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: also there's a competitive factor. if a webpage looks good in one browser and bad (i.e. because an error is displayed instead) in anohter, clearly the former browser must be superior to the latter, right?
< 1422210318 687562 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the html guys tried the same thing but noticed rather than trying to make a language that looks like english they just write parsers that do some guesswork :p?
< 1422210365 630176 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: uhm... no
< 1422210370 782085 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there's a rendering error
< 1422210372 222410 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think SQL is a bad language as such, a bit overly verbose yes, but not all traditional languages are compact.
< 1422210380 633807 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: don't think like a programmer, think like a user
< 1422210400 319187 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess for example Pascal was also designed to be used by if not idiots at least beginners
< 1422210406 717852 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it or not, there are *many* more users than programmers out there
< 1422210415 544053 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know :)
< 1422210423 620742 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the web developers fault
< 1422210440 662813 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they had much choice.
< 1422210443 342948 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Browsers could have displayed something like
< 1422210465 17528 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :management would've vetoed them.
< 1422210480 191602 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok hard to come up with a cool message
< 1422210501 5034 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could have said something like "This website isn't standard conform"
< 1422210533 805212 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"please contact the web site admin"
< 1422210550 111001 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should've convinced the user that it's the web admins fault, which it actually really is.
< 1422210572 70141 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like they do with SSL certs nowadays
< 1422210594 913025 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: I honestly believe that it wouldn't have worked.
< 1422210623 11824 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depends...
< 1422210638 341231 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If browsers wouldn't display your page you would have motive to use correct HTML as a web site admin
< 1422210657 980761 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same way you had motive to make your web page look good even in browsers that render stuff incorrectly
< 1422210687 633667 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1422210693 385605 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"designed for IE4"
< 1422210729 449209 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although users probably don't care about incorrect rendering
< 1422210746 511935 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because web site admins fixed it for them by using hacks to make it look good 
< 1422210768 526126 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the quirks machinery works both ways.
< 1422210780 708114 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't say what would have happened
< 1422210787 901974 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's trikcy
< 1422210790 485111 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tricky
< 1422210816 582968 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if all browsers would have gone the path of only accepting correct html then web site admins would have had enough incentive to use correct html
< 1422210836 582769 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember if it is firefox or some other browser that when you want to bypass an SSL error it defaults to adding a permanent exception, which is rather stupid I think
< 1422210859 417072 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course, it could have gone the other way as well, like you said
< 1422210869 867523 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where "displaying incorrect html" is a competitive advantage
< 1422210965 756216 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it would be easier to write a strict parser than a lenient parser
< 1422210998 896910 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not sure. HTML pretended to be SGML for a long time, which has things like omitting tags...
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< 1422211034 346356 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, hm true
< 1422211043 980743 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't come from xml
< 1422211058 278010 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why on earth sgml had that I have no idea though
< 1422211076 980270 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it was made for people writing documents with markup?
< 1422211089 602776 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it </> you can use to close the last opened tag? And only lynx supports it
< 1422211093 673190 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of the browsers I tested
< 1422211117 986719 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean this falls under the headline of "markup minimization", so the incentive seems fairly clear.
< 1422211160 953811 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about </>
< 1422211166 207719 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1422211213 747763 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, I like XHTML.
< 1422211282 512704 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like XHTML either
< 1422211330 939730 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yep, that's standard SGML.
< 1422211338 629786 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what a good format would be though, XML + CSS sounds good on paper, but would probably turn out horribly in practice
< 1422211350 244040 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you seem to be right about </>.
< 1422211356 553688 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: "Pretended" hell. HTML literally claimed to be SGML and the official validator parsed as SGML.
< 1422211377 19009 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is, no browsers but Lynx actually did that. :)
< 1422211430 588387 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they didn't even write a strict-or-lenient parser, they all straight up wrote wrong ones.
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< 1422211462 531059 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I seem to remember lynx didn't handle something else though
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< 1422211470 134421 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it worked! (90% of the time)
< 1422211817 683060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically humans aren't designed to be able to keep systems elegant without life being at stake
< 1422211849 250908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at stake at every point, not just in the future)
< 1422211873 651377 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed
< 1422211911 961481 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07LecRAM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41725&oldid=38231 5* 03SEnergy 5* (-2625) 10Updated to new version of language
< 1422211944 214967 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03SEnergy 5*  10moved [[02LecRAM10]] to [[CBR (Cleverer Brainfuck)]]
< 1422212018 690707 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I worked with safety systems at work and I'm probably under NDA for the details, but that is one of the simplest and most elegant APIs to talk to the devices I have seen.
< 1422212018 996660 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore we should make automated elegance murder bots.
< 1422212028 842604 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commit an act of inelegance and you shall be murdered.
< 1422212033 153878 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah
< 1422212242 552971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: can you make them murder people who make NDAs too, while you're at it?
< 1422212331 367649 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that would be nice too yes
< 1422212335 284596 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything open source
< 1422212494 101675 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NDAs are inelegant.
< 1422212522 596315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :</> is not the only silly SGML thing, there's that <FOO/xxx/ for <FOO>xxx</FOO> thing too.
< 1422212560 904541 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah that too
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< 1422212995 711890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think irregular webcomic has been more irregular in the past year than all the previous decade put together.
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< 1422215447 513542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently
< 1422215818 31483 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> basically humans aren't designed to be able to keep systems elegant without life being at stake <-- and when lifes are at stake, things usually get ugly, hth
< 1422215851 360397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh
< 1422215870 497142 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good, now I have a new target, thanks oerjan
< 1422215919 81194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw
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< 1422225227 193799 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphellox.
< 1422225243 401730 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boiling water
< 1422225298 53747 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hallo
< 1422225399 755376 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bwali/, not /bʌjli/ hth
< 1422225420 280419 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat
< 1422225465 105057 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pronounced bwah-LEE, with a short EE.
< 1422225490 6971 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boiling bwater may be more accurate.
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< 1422225509 612015 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :so boily is your real name
< 1422225527 275882 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue TOPIC #esoteric :Creepy Suzan | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1422225537 447339 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my family name indeed.
< 1422225548 280252 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazing
< 1422225564 506803 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was pronounced Boy-lee
< 1422225589 185525 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. French name.
< 1422225600 874213 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh mai
< 1422225607 993662 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have a France name
< 1422225609 10851 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh!
< 1422225617 705007 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pronounced as a French word?
< 1422225622 332029 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or quebecois
< 1422225623 945443 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Québécois.
< 1422225627 136566 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interestingly I do not pronounce "boily" (not the name) quite as "Boy-lee"
< 1422225636 668120 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pronounce it boy-uh-lee
< 1422225683 750583 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I shall remorselessly disappear. food time.
< 1422225696 905707 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ought to eat...
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< 1422225702 956948 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me too
< 1422225726 384828 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way of telling vlc to please stop defaulting to 'discard all samples' as an audio device
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< 1422225792 380344 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delete it
< 1422225800 190388 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the simple answer
< 1422225816 404088 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry I'm not helpful, What's Vlc?
< 1422225826 217458 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :media player
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< 1422225988 706292 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still sad about Google Wave
< 1422226058 935013 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't someone start their own?
< 1422226062 990385 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or am I misremembering
< 1422226086 476926 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copyright was transferred to Apache and it's Open Source, but it never caught on
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< 1422226309 406050 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(standing?) wave in a box in an incubator
< 1422226387 19183 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google wave??
< 1422226422 933798 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex, it was an underrated novel communication platform Google came out with a few years ago
< 1422226432 294324 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you should just be dissapointed by all Google products
< 1422226451 994418 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :The search engine is albiet "Decent"
< 1422226463 429040 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not amazing
< 1422226491 431369 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm sure it could correct that typo.
< 1422226498 367826 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.39 QUIT :Quit: bbl
< 1422226513 698549 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup
< 1422226534 304924 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am after All just a child
< 1422226567 632662 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some truth to this, though. Things do not automatically become cool just by sticking a Google label on them.
< 1422226603 759690 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gazoogle Eye wear
< 1422226612 149124 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stick a tv in your eye
< 1422226638 14024 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, but now I have only one eye.... why did I do this?
< 1422226712 791541 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can watch porn in class?
< 1422226717 800099 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biology!
< 1422226739 954416 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the country
< 1422226784 244308 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much money would it take to cover the entire planet in a wi-fi bubble?
< 1422226784 969784 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :If by "can" you mean being allowed to.
< 1422226804 899544 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can / if you could
< 1422226813 715335 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, too much. The oceans will be tricky.
< 1422226838 713303 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, With tidal waves and earthquakes
< 1422226877 738982 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is int-e a cat?
< 1422226906 807234 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1422226922 595490 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex: I was on a podcast at the time and we used Wave to organize shows. Great concept, but it could be rather sluggish. I wonder how well something like it would run now that the browsers are stepping it up performance wise.
< 1422226954 669639 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :water fox is fast
< 1422226988 441973 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also If only the wi-fi could be transmitted through water expanses like oceans and seas
< 1422227035 426034 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get 10^11 base stations at ~150m range
< 1422227044 9833 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does every one have an underscore at the end of their name
< 1422227056 584647 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cool 
< 1422227058 702238 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex: And no I'm not a cat. Never been one, don't want to be one.
< 1422227073 91293 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, Makes sense
< 1422227106 234835 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some clients default to appending _ when a nick is not available.
< 1422227113 390120 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex: I'm still really suspicious of Waterfox for some reason.
< 1422227157 538063 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :it crashes on bash scripts and regex
< 1422227180 88808 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably why
< 1422227207 406537 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane_: is your nick registered if so Set enforce and the ghost anyone using it
< 1422227217 83486 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :￦_￦
< 1422227222 710645 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :J_Arcane
< 1422227298 170149 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait "it crashes on bash scripts" - I thought this was supposed to be a web browser?
< 1422227484 24629 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or um
< 1422227494 508519 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what someone told me when they used it.
< 1422227504 715364 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally have never used it.
< 1422227520 894988 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( It was probably a subtle case of browser bashing. )
< 1422227547 540108 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be a true warrior and use Msn browser
< 1422227592 598278 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah int-e since water fox has somewhat the same code as firefox since its an alternate of firefox
< 1422227606 229735 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if they had palemoon installed then that could happen
< 1422227625 210569 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex: next you're going to suggest AOL desktop...
< 1422227628 149899 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin_
< 1422227648 553283 :copumpkin_!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1422227649 848349 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahahha
< 1422228152 250544 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer QUIT :Quit: storm!!!!
< 1422228231 661448 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently using Opera.
< 1422228301 749802 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
< 1422228502 716987 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I actually kinda hate it.
< 1422229093 354712 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol
< 1422229245 589338 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422229258 243339 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Chrome-inside Opera or the proprietary-inside Opera?
< 1422229264 518947 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, fuck Quassel
< 1422229271 488968 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't use Chrome
< 1422229282 921766 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll connect you to the bot net
< 1422229283 487051 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0
< 1422229285 832681 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latest Opera is based on the Chrome rendering engine
< 1422229359 601821 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: the former.
< 1422229378 478462 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422229393 483216 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's basically just Chrome with bits carved out of it, and more bugs.
< 1422229432 409053 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1422229471 820099 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried to say something in QUassel
< 1422229475 673659 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't reach here yet
< 1422229520 858735 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422229571 856391 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I type the word proprietary-inside without freezing?
< 1422229575 728716 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I got a bit of a wild hair to try and cut out more of the Google panopticon from my life.
< 1422229617 783284 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is sort of problematic, because as far as Chrome has fallen, everything else is pretty much worse.
< 1422229631 612693 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :DuckDuckGo isn't bad though. It's 'good enough' for most things.
< 1422229665 619834 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1422229772 857286 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Google Cardboard count as too Google for you?
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< 1422229871 770127 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. it's not like I'm not a hypocrite here; Gmail is still my main email.
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< 1422231122 566031 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.spoj.com/SHORTEN/problems/MB2/
< 1422231133 679006 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes gmail the only email I only ever bother checking every other decade
< 1422231149 863882 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time I check it will be when I'm 20
< 1422231171 239119 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone tell me how this can be solved with 12 chars when just to create the constant number 10 you need 10 chars?
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< 1422231181 251054 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I missing something? :-S
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< 1422231282 876318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritonio: yes
< 1422231290 376822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to care about 10
< 1422231308 818795 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the input ends with that char and if you "," after the end of input it just hangs.
< 1422231341 650591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it does
< 1422231345 34159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most bf implementations don't behave that way
< 1422231361 37682 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :they return chr(0)? i'll try again with that assumption.
< 1422231369 167595 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :or EOF?
< 1422231374 820200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 or 255 or no change
< 1422231377 835716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably 0.
< 1422231387 499514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just solved it in 10 in vim.
< 1422231396 980116 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can look at the source of bff ( http://swapped.cc/#!/bff ), or there are other ways to find out too
< 1422231419 402271 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks i'll check the source and see how it behaves.
< 1422231440 108494 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ideone uses most of the same language versions, so you can do tests there
< 1422231451 566164 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for spoj in general
< 1422231464 788410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually maybe my solution is 11, but whatever.
< 1422231498 7335 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want me to tell you the EOF behavior, i also don't mind just saying it :p
< 1422231538 977138 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitchs no thanks I'll figure it out. :-) Cheers elliott and mitchs. :-)
< 1422231544 342835 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :)
< 1422231566 474922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitchs: is that 10 byte solution yours?
< 1422231598 550394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitchs: if yes, how do you deal with gur arrq gb fxvc gur ynfg vachg olgr, naq gur (cerfhzrq) arrq gb abg eha bss gur yrsg bs gur gncr?
< 1422231638 482464 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am confused, but pleasantly so
< 1422231642 222129 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't used vim
< 1422231643 670532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rot13 :p
< 1422231651 467577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't want to spoil Tritonio.
< 1422231691 248790 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll get out for a moment elliott. brb in 10 min or so. ;-)
< 1422231696 864941 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry
< 1422231703 952539 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :first of all there are pm's lol
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< 1422231710 204060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rot13 is more fun
< 1422231717 327660 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :and secondly you said "didn't".
< 1422231723 32302 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is.
< 1422231725 677396 :paul2520!~paul2520@104-6-13-61.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422231725 993061 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, you meant you wrote it using vim, not that it's a vim solution like on anagol, of course
< 1422231749 503585 :paul2520!~paul2520@104-6-13-61.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net NICK :Guest16073
< 1422231761 361023 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well lots of poeple are tied for first place with 12 bytes, which is dictated by the EOF behavior
< 1422231792 490105 :Guest16073!~paul2520@104-6-13-61.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net NICK :paul2520
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< 1422231824 168626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1422231834 886765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot that Tritonio said 12 chars.
< 1422232004 341334 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the standard judge on spoj works like your_output.split() == expected_out.split()
< 1422232205 596561 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :put
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< 1422233523 711391 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creepy Suzan?
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< 1422233657 962616 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it using int sized cells??? so overflows don't happen at 256? https://github.com/apankrat/bff/blob/master/bff.c
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< 1422233809 152301 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritonio: yes
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< 1422233993 523048 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww... :-(
< 1422234059 85688 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, why is it using -1 for eof in one case (getc for reading from stdin) and 0 in another (getc_ext for readinf from a file)?
< 1422234107 67806 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422234134 84332 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritonio: it may be enough to change the type of 'v' and the math in grow()
< 1422234191 218874 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e nah I don't need an interpreter. I just wanted to see how the one in spoj.com behaves...
< 1422234215 65452 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the one they're using?
< 1422234236 604220 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1422234290 984382 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1422234854 684626 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :solved it with 13. lets see how i can get to 12
< 1422234971 341194 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
< 1422235355 693520 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's the trick.
< 1422235409 950491 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f81c-109.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1422235623 833369 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and spoj is horrible with all those banners. (I usually use Adblock but I tried that site with fresh profile...)
< 1422236101 377354 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422236134 961645 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e just found the solution too. spoj was counting the emptyspace too apparently... :-)
< 1422236213 45532 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1422236223 64162 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/int-e/int-e I
< 1422236227 214771 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f81c-109.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422236248 308656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1422236258 623408 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1422236362 621073 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422236498 297117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1422236567 609256 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1422236835 723574 :arjanb!8259ac45@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.172.69 QUIT :Quit: zzz
< 1422237321 346536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1422237336 305002 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422237434 15951 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f81c-109.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1422237451 98747 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f81c-109.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422237469 165025 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritonio: I do indeed with one of the bots had a regex replacer
< 1422237494 380329 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/I do/cake
< 1422237549 457613 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work anymore?
< 1422237615 495522 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you even replace?
< 1422237616 12325 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i mean, hell: making a really simple idea, but unpractical with the fnord
< 1422237618 15631 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you written a program to compile SQL codes into native codes or any other VM codes?
< 1422237627 288471 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritonio: too impratical. it has fnord.
< 1422237680 598916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite can compile into its own VM codes if the schema (and possibly analysis data) is known, therefore other program could use the EXPLAIN command in SQLite to use a partially compiled code to compile into something else.
< 1422237818 776941 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving...
< 1422238033 240001 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1422238064 685362 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422238075 419636 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1422238108 859807 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :This tickles my fancy
< 1422238191 88817 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422238461 553982 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422238577 896135 :jbkcc!~jbkcc@c-24-6-1-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422240114 743152 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422240338 43934 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: REPRESENTATIVE CHICKEN
< 1422242036 323723 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
< 1422244793 506974 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422244986 115374 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1422244996 503541 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio
< 1422245433 328338 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1422245574 588185 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422246440 115746 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422247317 556223 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue NICK :Elizaveta
< 1422247331 404405 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PART #esoteric :"{{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}}"
< 1422247519 774418 :Elizaveta!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :The chat... *dramatic pause* ... HAS DIED!
< 1422247570 47859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure?
< 1422247582 517150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not quite so sure.
< 1422247593 329999 :Elizaveta!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pets zzo38
< 1422247717 360595 :Elizaveta!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good Kitty.
< 1422247826 1025 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to make up some Magic: the Gathering cards based on some stuff in my "level20.tex" story, and related things I have done; I already have "Kjugobe's Timer".
< 1422247857 675518 :Elizaveta!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of this.
< 1422247878 420519 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422247884 603805 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you must learn. How many things have you failed to heard of?
< 1422247939 922203 :Elizaveta!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't the slightest idea.
< 1422248032 349304 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1422248653 246700 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1422248896 936274 :Elizaveta!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine if the newtons laws of motion went like this every thing has an equal and unequal reaction So if you punched a wall it would push you back with the force of a speeding truck
< 1422248908 60901 :Elizaveta!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man the world would be crazy
< 1422248947 375869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Imagine punching somebody so hard that they turned into a door. Then you found out that’s where ALL doors come from, and you got initiated into a murder club that makes doors. The stronger you punch, the better the door. So there are like super strong murderers who punch people into Venetian doors and shit."
< 1422248971 712551 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1422248995 276246 :Elizaveta!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1422248997 870867 :Elizaveta!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :my god
< 1422249015 85692 :Elizaveta!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes So much sense
< 1422249030 322506 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonsense. One does not simply punch into more doors.
< 1422249062 858235 :Elizaveta!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine if all light liquified
< 1422249069 56057 :Elizaveta!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it just splashed down
< 1422249126 736242 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :punny.
< 1422249164 380180 :Elizaveta!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pets AndoDaan
< 1422249168 535759 :Elizaveta!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :How was your day
< 1422249189 811024 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unproductive, but quick.
< 1422249207 729788 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/quick/quick to pass
< 1422249232 439012 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yours?
< 1422249265 287461 :Elizaveta!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good.
< 1422249374 206149 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit
< 1422249822 80390 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1422250139 36977 :Elizaveta!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue NICK :Lilax
< 1422250169 354997 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: sleep
< 1422251220 416889 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you just explain the Door Lords from Adventure Time?
< 1422251240 572237 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422251343 459385 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's another power they have
< 1422251345 961202 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since each door comes with a key, all the magic keys they have are from doors they made by punching people
< 1422251426 238185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422251690 790663 :jbkcc!~jbkcc@c-24-6-1-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1422252049 182276 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are probably really powerful ones out there with a huge bounty on their heads because of how many people they've taken down and how much they've stolen, and they have crazy, hard to open doors
< 1422252092 779277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just be sneaky by punching people into trap doors
< 1422252097 52850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what a great line for oerjan to join on
< 1422252134 311894 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the real door lords
< 1422252142 426551 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody can catch them
< 1422252151 101472 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they are door lords
< 1422252153 107335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats pan lords, I suppose
< 1422252198 745857 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry for doing this to you oerjan 
< 1422252209 736079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s ok i mostly blame elliott 
< 1422252232 274277 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pets oerjan
< 1422252233 8104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :(
< 1422252235 921150 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gud kitty
< 1422252274 356401 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :So like how was your day All persons available
< 1422252457 484419 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422252564 610766 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.39 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1422253198 393022 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422254346 420238 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 NICK :AndoDaan
< 1422254678 765828 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1422255563 457563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily -!- boily has quit (Quit: TRIGOTILLECTOMIC CHICKEN). <-- that's not a word, now you're just cheating tdnh
< 1422255563 911521 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1422255997 682975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Zefphex> J_Arcane_: is your nick registered if so Set enforce and the ghost anyone using it <-- usually it's not someone else using it, but themselves disconnecting and reconnecting, and the old nick not being released fast enough
< 1422256012 422219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so enforce won't help
< 1422256029 719202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr: some people have crappy connections
< 1422256081 116060 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/M/Trigotillectomic M/' wisdom/boily
< 1422256083 484267 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1422256084 489670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suspect "themselves" is ungrammatical in that sentence but doesn't know a better way
< 1422256092 315046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily
< 1422256093 184937 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department.
< 1422256122 151229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :approved.
< 1422256397 153282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it parses okay to me
< 1422256401 978920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little awkward maybe but eh
< 1422256409 998006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay I should sleep actually
< 1422256410 746956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1422256417 977039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*suspects
< 1422256459 98367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems i and elliott are currently maximally out of phase
< 1422256467 2075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just got up
< 1422256523 26975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means my sleeping schedule is currently "normal"
< 1422256758 569084 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1422256819 92742 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422256935 650897 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue NICK :Lilax|poof
< 1422256975 396028 :Lilax|poof!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :u wot
< 1422256980 767446 :Lilax|poof!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not gonna sleep
< 1422256989 698908 :Lilax|poof!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought elliott went to bed
< 1422257089 974267 :Lilax|poof!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now I'm just gonna
< 1422257094 758850 :Lilax|poof!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue NICK :Lilax
< 1422257968 737451 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1422258120 155265 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422259287 802384 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pets oerjan
< 1422259299 346392 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's your day goin'
< 1422259367 126173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do not have clearance for that information hth
< 1422259421 497909 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:c087:4c03:9978:c72f QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1422259445 317194 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:c087:4c03:9978:c72f JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422259585 841111 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1422259589 494821 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then
< 1422259627 891055 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, when somebody uses the /// here, does that automatically corrected in the log?
< 1422259645 974558 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that get*
< 1422259676 231611 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1422259684 53835 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you asking
< 1422259704 362186 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball
< 1422259705 177293 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Signs point to yes.
< 1422259722 965589 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1422259728 76973 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :[/1] then [//2] for the 2 / that are displayed
< 1422259732 239174 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg;
< 1422259736 463030 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric ://
< 1422259749 217688 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used three /'s to make 2
< 1422259756 696811 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :go see
< 1422259760 179390 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wonder if there's any functionality to using on here ///, or if it's just visual.
< 1422259764 799195 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.
< 1422259816 542977 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya AndoDaan 
< 1422259827 708091 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shows // instead of ///
< 1422259838 250664 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1422259845 181126 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :the [/1] is the command / for irc
< 1422259863 849300 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its not listed in logs since its only pinging the server from your client
< 1422259876 172475 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nah it only shows //
< 1422259904 548043 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :[/]// makes the first one invisible to logs
< 1422259956 76842 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to make sure, I mean the http://esolangs.org/wiki//// sense of ///
< 1422259978 751801 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellllll
< 1422259987 168122 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL
< 1422259991 636872 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check
< 1422259996 422849 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I didn't think.
< 1422260069 885348 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1422260072 741935 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1422260083 335171 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :the s/word/replace/
< 1422260085 867240 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing
< 1422260092 888864 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye don't most bots have that
< 1422260101 626338 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except everybot here
< 1422260115 626124 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Your "probably not" probably still stands.
< 1422260146 665104 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well if we had something to test it
< 1422260161 285394 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foobar
< 1422260167 57760 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't fungot have one?
< 1422260167 627341 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: obviously there's the business of writing out let but in a different language to allow it to render outside the box? totally awesome.
< 1422260173 953970 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think [/1] is a IRC command?
< 1422260182 862804 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: 
< 1422260193 838933 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :[/1] = / 
< 1422260199 347015 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :first slash
< 1422260204 522384 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :then // 
< 1422260208 586925 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make ///
< 1422260216 531782 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :which results in //
< 1422260239 181778 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pardon my Spam
< 1422260264 975659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I was on some IRC that did automatically correct people who typed s/whatever/whatever/ but it annoyed both me and whoever I was trying to communicate with; he had control over that bot so he disabled it.
< 1422260326 690398 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422260372 252142 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/example/example/r/ on the bot I used replaced everything and would litterally spam all replaced words for that month
< 1422260383 899832 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought maybe it could allow a user to make a quick ninja edit to mispelled sent chat line.
< 1422260392 52144 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used litterally and probably spekt it wrong
< 1422260437 322717 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean a replacer bot?
< 1422260444 476724 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the automatic fix (especially raw logs shouldn't automatic fix) it can cause problems if used improperly and that stuff
< 1422260452 931950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: no, the bots do not.
< 1422260459 207128 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1422260481 847123 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/stuff/thing bot: Lilax meant to say Things and stuff
< 1422260485 76515 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that?
< 1422260488 962345 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright. I don't know why these type of questions pop in my mind.
< 1422260496 972177 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :because magic
< 1422260500 299657 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more liqe
< 1422260503 921876 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1422260505 211984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: we had such a bot here a while ago.
< 1422260516 288526 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/liqe/like
< 1422260522 562263 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye
< 1422260526 473341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't related to the logs, though.
< 1422260533 147382 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that what you meant?
< 1422260553 420138 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you want a bot that corrects misspellings in the logs
< 1422260563 537302 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be improbable
< 1422260576 141346 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not want, but thought maybe.
< 1422260581 42201 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :atleast almost impossible
< 1422260617 995439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the logging bot itself could do that.  also we have (at least) two of those.
< 1422260653 272606 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since if I were to say sinfe the bot would have to figure out how many times I want that sinfe to be since then what would it do if I said sinfe two times but wanted it to correct it once
< 1422260654 497544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also download it and then use a local program to perform the corrections
< 1422260661 962351 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :or dat
< 1422260669 895132 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that takes tiiiime
< 1422260699 924258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would in any case not change the fact that everyone actually present will have _already seen the original_
< 1422260716 932483 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye
< 1422260726 236893 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good work scoob!
< 1422260772 739710 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be cool to write something at would tried to interpret any and all possible esoteric code snippits found in the chat.
< 1422260845 200561 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, thanks.
< 1422260974 762030 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye
< 1422261126 542076 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1422261189 501058 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 NICK :AndoDaan
< 1422261269 600127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to write IRC bot using C and SQLite. I don't have time right now but may do with in a week. Do you like this, or do you hate this, or both or neither? What is your opinion what you would want such thing doing? What question/complaint please?
< 1422261341 299554 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pats zzo38
< 1422261346 573490 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do what you want
< 1422261362 113550 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its your choice we Support ye
< 1422261368 568422 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without money
< 1422261372 431854 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are poor
< 1422261376 265900 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know, but I also just wanted to know if other people have opinion about it.
< 1422261405 372287 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight
< 1422261408 8304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The money is not required; I do it for free.
< 1422261416 625711 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue QUIT :
< 1422261541 701674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the database contains no triggers then it would just send the NICK/USER/PASS/JOIN/MODE commands at the start and then make a log of everything it receives in the database (with one record per message received), but if you add triggers then you can make it to do different kind of stuff instead of or in addition to logging, such as to make up a chess game.
< 1422261573 414506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this seems like properly to you?
< 1422261735 475577 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything other than logging would have to be implemented by you. The user couldn't do anything then set and send triggers?
< 1422262003 246313 :_AndoDaan!~AD@188.189.88.65 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422262011 288103 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.65 QUIT :Quit: bbl
< 1422262027 325874 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Triggers would be included in the database schema; that is how SQL works.
< 1422262048 881691 :_AndoDaan!~AD@188.189.88.65 NICK :Andodaan
< 1422262419 416018 :Andodaan!~AD@188.189.88.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any risk of memory leakage, or unsanitary data with using C SQLite?
< 1422262898 260053 :Andodaan!~AD@188.189.88.65 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1422264168 350006 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422264265 5136 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: probably like, but I probably want to make an irc but myself eventually, to rewrite my ugly bots to a sane structure. 
< 1422264323 434084 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i have a mostly sane proof of concept implementation that handles all that server extension stuff that lets me follow who is logged in as what nickserv account,
< 1422264343 47142 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I'll eventually need when I rewrite the cbstream bot (I use the codename "cbvapor" for the rewrite)
< 1422264399 819433 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I want to rewrite that initial implementation because it sucks, especially the way it's hardwired to work only with SASL login.
< 1422264426 891629 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus I want to make the framework work (with reduced functionality) on irc networks other than freenode.
< 1422264947 308521 :jameseb-!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io NICK :jameseb
< 1422265539 72039 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1422267329 293567 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw riscwars
< 1422267333 329786 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :long live brainwars
< 1422267340 381670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wot
< 1422267352 381382 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/i8YO5Bpq
< 1422267380 292905 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I forget < and >
< 1422267402 994000 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ARM still count as a RISC cpu by the way? I knew it started as RISC, but since then they've added all kinds of nonsense extra instructions and modes that I'm not sure it still is one
< 1422267428 406517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, it still seems to have fewer hindering historical cruft on it than x86
< 1422267452 745854 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because it's accumulating the historical cruft right now
< 1422267459 674585 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1422267464 977456 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be patient and give it another ten years
< 1422267480 893639 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 had more of a head start (it started with z80 and whatever that other cpu is)
< 1422267497 9071 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM certainly has at least _some_ historical cruft too
< 1422267522 270172 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of it quite similar to x86 actually: a flags register that has both arithmetic result status flags and processor mode control flags
< 1422267557 960577 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does that always have to be the same register?
< 1422267616 279402 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you use more than one register for that
< 1422267623 438566 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe so that it can be saved on the stack together in interrupt routines, but still, there's probably less need for that in ARM)
< 1422267650 365926 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: would you rather they kept the flags in the program counter like they used to in older versions of ARM?
< 1422267656 447126 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: because it leads to nonsense like that writing (restoring) the flags register is a privilaged instruction even though you want to do it just to restore arithmetic flags
< 1422267698 715827 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :jameseb: I don't know really. 
< 1422267712 279015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1422267737 249752 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :/0>\ is obviously probably the simplest program
< 1422267742 609508 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see your point though, having access to arithmetic flags would make sense
< 1422267750 321437 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: and you can't just write a new value to the status register usually, but only by modifying an existing value, because it has flags you mustn't modify
< 1422267754 962344 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ISA lets you set the arithmetic flags directly as well.
< 1422267792 987984 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not giving an opinion now on whether there should be an arithmetic status flags register in first place, I'm just saying, if there is one, it should be separate from control flags
< 1422267827 241301 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look at the MOS 6502 which does it right:
< 1422267858 198645 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an interrupt disable flag, but it's not in the status flags register
< 1422267932 437369 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't really matter since it's not a real register anyway, it's just a bunch of bits that happen to be listed in one register for convenience
< 1422267933 486522 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(besides /\ which just idles around)
< 1422267946 274932 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and given how on ARM, fewer instructions modify the flags register, and it has shadow registers for modes like the z80, it wouldn't even be essential to save it automatically when entering an interrupt
< 1422267974 797082 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike in the x86 where most instructions mess up the flags
< 1422267988 812952 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ://>\0\ should scan until it reaches a non zero cell, set it to zero and continue
< 1422268570 204191 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :.oO( Ubuntu 2025 "Faulty Fly" for armeb64, now with Jazelle-accelerated systemd! )
< 1422268946 381962 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: so wait, what's this?
< 1422268970 918053 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, s/Faulty Fly/Perfidious Pinworm/
< 1422268985 187304 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: is this something like bfjoust but with a way more powerful instr set?
< 1422269416 197782 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1422269493 393275 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yep
< 1422269497 690038 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no flag
< 1422269506 342488 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to trick your opponent into executing NUL
< 1422269511 768190 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a null byte)
< 1422269578 881805 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and programs are actually on the tape
< 1422269598 135052 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can write self-replicating programs even 
< 1422269848 527667 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm thinking of adding an extra cost to loops
< 1422269855 699112 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. if the jump is taken it costs you an extra cycle
< 1422269860 361978 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: um, is there a more complete description?
< 1422269867 648489 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Not yet, but soon :)
< 1422269890 798449 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still a WIP :)
< 1422269899 982679 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why aren't there proper goto/comefrom instructions, whether with immediate label or computed, rather than these stupid loops only?
< 1422269942 62393 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's brainfuck like?
< 1422269950 48402 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or supposed to be at least
< 1422269990 849309 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :suggestions are welcome If you have any
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< 1422273453 978803 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: technically because these just use the stack you can do computed jumps too
< 1422273506 414212 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it might mess up forward jumping :)
< 1422273617 464666 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@word scrozzle
< 1422273629 145034 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it again...
< 1422273635 235553 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1422273635 703377 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 5h 1m 11s ago: -!- boily has quit (Quit: TRIGOTILLECTOMIC CHICKEN). <-- that's not a word, now you're just cheating tdnh
< 1422273678 538565 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan of couse I'm cheating! never let orthograph get in the way of a good sounding word, I say.
< 1422273679 13567 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1422273694 413256 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wp scrozzle
< 1422273696 531247 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "scrozzle".
< 1422273700 128790 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn scozzle
< 1422273701 438216 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "scozzle".
< 1422273703 670639 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1422273734 655280 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/scrozzle.html
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< 1422276372 246195 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there no fucking image viewer for linux that lets you display multiple images in the same window
< 1422276375 741189 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1422276383 472686 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian probably has 5 image viewers pre-installed and none seem to be able to do that
< 1422276567 913090 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/CSYstxV.jpg
< 1422276572 955364 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got inspired to play with image filters
< 1422276587 856857 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there no good image viewer has been found so far to make side-by-side comparisons
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< 1422277459 290751 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although this filter here takes hours for 640x480pix images
< 1422278087 403714 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ it's so slooow
< 1422278204 629728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: It's probably because you're supposed to do it the Unix way, and make up some sort of pipeline calling ImageMagick to put your images side-by-side.
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< 1422279493 71918 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should use threads
< 1422279501 348406 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it's even taking too long for 256x128
< 1422280077 530651 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just create a HTML file with the layout you want.
< 1422280156 820019 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1422280160 399723 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :now my filter runs on 8 cores
< 1422280161 655819 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1422280183 679112 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, debian has at least five web browsers and probably none of them have proper colour handling (then again, do any of the image viewers?)
< 1422280371 747019 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it ran through
< 1422280609 869708 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422280612 86575 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is lambdabot ok
< 1422280672 30390 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: lambdabot works over (or did earlier)
< 1422280684 71904 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/over/over here/
< 1422280691 665163 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 + 1
< 1422280693 596695 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2
< 1422280708 696570 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange
< 1422280711 970331 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be just #haskell that has lambdabot broken
< 1422280712 714438 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not respond to #haskell
< 1422280720 294894 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know why
< 1422280804 40680 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math.pow(x,2); is apparentely faster than Math.pow(x,1)
< 1422280886 868268 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1422281027 904564 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1422281157 889816 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/BBN78m8.png <- anyway. After minutes that what my filter did to the image
< 1422281163 88096 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(left is original)
< 1422281204 52268 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, it blurs
< 1422281337 601727 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1422281370 222009 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's somewhere in O(N^4)
< 1422281543 824755 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(x^2*y^2) to be exact
< 1422281558 685288 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 640*640*480*480
< 1422281560 369703 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 94371840000
< 1422281759 777448 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it be O(wh)
< 1422281780 846361 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1422281800 297809 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for regular blur maybe, yes
< 1422282338 574209 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, Math.pow(x,2); is faster than Math.pow(x,n); for n = 1..10\2;
< 1422282354 1636 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. for Math.pow(x,n) for n = 1..10; n = 2; is the fastest one
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< 1422282396 333533 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by faster I mean *really faster*
< 1422282404 376964 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a half hour faster
< 1422282487 649886 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1422282498 556757 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: what does the filter look like? I believe the standard approach for this is to do 2D FFTs, and then it should become O(log(wh)wh)
< 1422282513 979722 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, if you can't decompose things into box filters
< 1422282524 800068 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which are O(wh) each)
< 1422282559 596650 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that assumes linear filters which are shift-invariant. maybe yours isn't
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< 1422282913 473396 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: http://codepad.org/uGxDOc8L
< 1422282939 162267 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how much faster Math.pow(x,2) really is
< 1422282968 821331 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's using base 2
< 1422283167 98444 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, using a for loop to pow is actually way faster :)
< 1422283181 596592 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if n is an integer using a for loop is way faster than calling Math.pow
< 1422283196 964172 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that... java?
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< 1422283242 5305 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1422283254 64533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks pretty clear there's a special-case for x^2.
< 1422283382 156341 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/5MZBlUjm
< 1422283384 865349 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math.pow vs for loop
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< 1422283433 654400 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, n=4 and n=8 also take 10s
< 1422283437 302517 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for pow
< 1422283457 192235 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so looks like a special case for x^2
< 1422283491 586225 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps there's a java benchmark that does stuff like sqrt(pow(x,2)+pow(y,2))
< 1422283522 181443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, "public static native double pow(double a, double b);"
< 1422283527 110237 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you try comparing pow(pow(x,2),2) against pow(x,4) ?
< 1422283539 831703 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :pleas mroman_
< 1422283562 416184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java_java_lang_StrictMath_pow(JNIEnv *env, jclass unused, jdouble d1, jdouble d2) { return (jdouble) jpow((double)d1, (double)d2); } /* hmm */
< 1422283589 749092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't tell where "jpow" comes from, at least immediately.
< 1422283609 971261 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :try to make it call a real optimized hypot
< 1422283723 340873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there it is.
< 1422283768 414974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calls __ieee754_pow.
< 1422283820 308074 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/6u1ZCdYg
< 1422283828 954362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't see the ^2 special case there, but it's quite possible I missed something while skipping through.
< 1422283829 608282 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- this is the fastest way to do pow so far I have found
< 1422283832 464679 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even beats the for loop
< 1422283840 159870 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, I have a rqeuest for compare
< 1422283844 888067 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can benchmark it
< 1422283857 448515 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I know a slightly faster algorithm for power
< 1422283862 136357 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use the binary expansion
< 1422283880 692176 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math.pow is probably not optimized for int
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< 1422283914 110752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, there it is.
< 1422283928 149744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* special value of y */ if(hy==0x40000000) return x*x; /* y is  2 */
< 1422283931 18710 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^1011 = ((x^2)^2*x)^2*x
< 1422283938 941522 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: And what would that request be?
< 1422283942 993112 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you try comparing pow(pow(x,2),2) against pow(x,4) ?
< 1422283956 546638 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just pow(x,2) against pow(x,4)
< 1422283971 156016 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the result numbers will be equal
< 1422283983 949604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: There's also a special case for x^0.5 to do sqrt(x). And there *should* also be a special case for 1.0, I don't know why you didn't observe that.
< 1422284026 636549 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* y is  +-1 */
< 1422284053 547508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422284086 8476 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible, horrible code.
< 1422284121 73571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be inherited from Netlib.
< 1422284130 944078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.netlib.org/fdlibm/
< 1422284159 472070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's the other way around, I don't know. That still has Sun's copyright notices in there.
< 1422284282 178926 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I can
< 1422284382 480434 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math.pow(x,4) := 9904ms
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< 1422284422 240564 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math.pow(Math.pow(x,2),2) := 33ms
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< 1422284496 824345 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my... http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/plain/src/system/libroot/posix/glibc/arch/x86/e_pow.S
< 1422284523 946352 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hmm, why did I find a haiku link first for a glibc file, but who cares)
< 1422284554 550076 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the :EEEEE
< 1422284557 918020 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats really weird
< 1422284571 118422 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it migth just be sfaster because of smaller numbers
< 1422284627 585076 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :using myPow it's 7ms
< 1422284654 515537 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, generally instead of writing Math.pow(x,3); you might as well just write x*x*x instead
< 1422284661 755774 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :much, much faster :p
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< 1422285768 442013 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well...
< 1422285775 714927 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :either use some fancy algo or at least for loops :)
< 1422285781 542060 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I've learnt today from Math.pow
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< 1422287214 679148 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://eighty-twenty.org/2015/01/25/monads-in-dynamically-typed-languages/
< 1422287257 621324 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you use such a pure concept in such an impure environment.
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< 1422287348 284724 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the article demonstrates how. ;)
< 1422287433 428192 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use monad anywhere
< 1422287453 653618 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :stacking monads on top of other things
< 1422287462 549038 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very intersting in scheme actually
< 1422287471 52553 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you have SHIFT/RESET delimited continuations
< 1422287476 876547 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write monadic code in direct style
< 1422287486 960077 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that people here still believe that I actually know what I'm talking about :p
< 1422287505 795909 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the formal definition of a monad though
< 1422287518 317762 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: Yes, Heresy uses continuations to implement monad-like pure for/do loops.
< 1422287544 226897 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm rather proud of them, because they are evil.
< 1422287557 205277 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But useful!
< 1422287581 816227 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that Functors preserve isomorphism.
< 1422287588 157847 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really should continue reading that book
< 1422287639 932306 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to work through REal World Haskell now, but I can't concentrate on anything. I had to close the main #haskell IRC too because every time I looked at it I just got self-conscious and depressed. XD
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< 1422289125 260412 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: Yeah, #haskell is kinda that way :)
< 1422289128 816667 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so's #esoteric 
< 1422289134 987299 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :all that functor talk in here
< 1422289139 842282 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? endofunctor
< 1422289140 801435 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endofunctors are just endomorphisms in the category of categories.
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< 1422289454 357780 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: I don't mind here, because it's not so bad as all that. 
< 1422289461 823534 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1422289474 64954 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone recommend some simple logic programming thing which I could try?
< 1422289482 273105 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to have a neat example code
< 1422289487 537001 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this logic language supports =/=
< 1422289492 304803 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :constraint
< 1422289501 199863 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideas?
< 1422289546 514338 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watching #haskell though is like to give the impression that the only way to actually get anything done in Haskell is to have a CS Ph.D and spend all your time hacking hypermorphic pseodological type combinators of type Z-alpha-6 to work with Lenses.
< 1422289566 42927 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1422290019 255400 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: does it? you seem to be filtering the channel differently than I do
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< 1422290232 989011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really isn't, unless #haskell got a lot more advanced since I left.
< 1422290258 283062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're projecting your existing preconceptions onto the channel.
< 1422290258 623755 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with J_Arcane
< 1422290295 471777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my experience #haskell is 90% easy beginner questions, maybe it changed
< 1422290337 337078 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: that's wrong. you have to get a maths PhD degree. a PhD degree in CS is worthless.
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< 1422290378 416967 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a lot of walls of theoretical talk and high-level type wizardry and so forth; really that's what I see most of the time.
< 1422290388 982403 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#nothaskell is a little better, I find.
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< 1422290448 842374 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: but really, just because we talk about high-level type wizardy on the channel sometimes doesn't mean you have to know all that to write programs in haskell
< 1422290466 977703 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the channel is friendly and usually helps you if you ask actual questions
< 1422290758 455719 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it psyches me out a bit sometimes is all; I *am* in fairness a bit self-conscious about feeling 'behind' when it comes to programming in general, and with Haskell in particular that gap can be very, very apparent.
< 1422290803 999633 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane, Why do you feel like you are behind in programming?
< 1422290814 376602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbf the haskell community is elitist and awful in my extensive experience
< 1422290820 440613 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I agree with elliott 
< 1422290847 592356 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1422290854 905375 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reverse 3-minute egg is coming
< 1422290865 417025 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: Because I'm 34 years old, haven't coded anything for over a decade until just within the past year. I'm effectively a newbie with a grown man's problems. :/
< 1422290871 950080 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ustralian chemists have figured out how to unboil egg whites"
< 1422290895 36728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: at last you weren't embarrassing yourself on IRC from age 11 onwards
< 1422290896 625851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*least
< 1422290909 170816 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Haha. I was :)
< 1422290947 784895 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. I actually stayed away from programming for years because I'd largely convinced myself I wasn't good enough on the one hand, and also hated the languages that were most popular on the other. :P
< 1422290960 654569 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I was a BASIC coder. So. There's that.
< 1422290971 17881 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :All popular languages suck. -- mroman
< 1422290988 817905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day I will destroy the #esoteric logs
< 1422290995 197143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody will remember teenage me
< 1422291023 284258 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't you technically still one?
< 1422291077 420141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a few more months yeah
< 1422291097 626253 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That was an xkcd pun btw.)
< 1422291121 682023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. well. I don't care about xkcd :p
< 1422291150 391432 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well...
< 1422291153 90473 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok then ;)
< 1422291158 785961 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna unboil me some eggs.
< 1422291162 973813 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(afk)
< 1422291184 715130 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :all laws of physics are reversible aren'tthey
< 1422291187 848687 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Growing up with your favorite language being considered a pariah only barely elevated above that of COBOL by 'serious programmers' probably leaves some scars. XD
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< 1422291211 469115 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane, its a shame becuase its not even like other languages are any better
< 1422291231 373186 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people mosty just repeat what they hear rather than think about it
< 1422291248 283427 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Djikstra's paper casts a large shadow which many coders indeed have largely repeated verbatim for decades.
< 1422291261 205113 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't notice that at all
< 1422291271 606101 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think everyone uses and recommends goto
< 1422291281 382929 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is not to say that BASIC doesn't have some pretty large problems, just that I've been hearing about them for almost 20 years at this point ...
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< 1422293037 974458 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a very good classification schema for programming languages
< 1422293045 9289 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a.) the length of the array is part of the type
< 1422293051 531202 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b.) the length of the array is not part of the type
< 1422293060 18687 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly 'a' languages suck
< 1422293065 446773 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :'b' languages are okayish
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< 1422293430 703777 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :man fuck flow/float-out website menus
< 1422293456 918687 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :does CSS3 address those btw?
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< 1422293499 614607 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: So, doesn't that mean both C and BASIC are equally terrible? ;)
< 1422293565 409076 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has goto as well
< 1422293568 185285 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: what if both is possible?
< 1422293589 401312 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you know, in Haskell or C++
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< 1422294325 919041 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://worrydream.com/#!/MeanwhileAtCodeOrg
< 1422294353 560576 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wish people did not use #!/
< 1422294362 144810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://worrydream.com/MeanwhileAtCodeOrg/
< 1422294364 857446 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know im in for some web 4.0 shit
< 1422294422 117671 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it "talking of him"?
< 1422294424 952090 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that correct english?
< 1422294426 126776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"code literacy"/"everyone should program" is such an awful concept
< 1422294439 756616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: "talking about him" is probably smoother? what' the context?
< 1422294441 117282 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: then that's good
< 1422294457 632908 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yeah. about sounds better. Thanks.
< 1422294473 90404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*what's
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< 1422295547 430998 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, #!
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< 1422295844 882947 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: How do you classify languages which don’t have arrays?
< 1422295870 143465 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously they are not languages
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< 1422295912 974296 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
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< 1422296053 475978 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh great. first they make the web unusable, then they notice that they make the web invisible to crawlers, then they "fix" it, now I just have to wait for noscript&co to catch up. https://developers.google.com/webmasters/ajax-crawling/
< 1422296198 141427 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :catch up to what?
< 1422296208 313700 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. to use the html snapshots etc?
< 1422296239 694184 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, just turn the #!-stuff into ?_escaped_fragment_= like google would
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< 1422296280 559813 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: How about, arrays have the length in the type, but it is trivial to wrap them so it disappears?
< 1422296305 746954 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about C which has some lengths in array types?
< 1422296451 191211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: tbf people have moved away from #! now that there are actual history APIs for javascri
< 1422296454 188536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*javascript
< 1422296461 209923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that google #! thing is basically a deprecated stopgap
< 1422296467 389374 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1422296468 638835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because twitter used #! for a while or whatever and it was a disaster
< 1422296830 240503 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1422296838 188554 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you should use framesets
< 1422296853 761197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed
< 1422296873 705140 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :framesets are actually exactly that
< 1422296878 766673 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they prevent reloading the whole page
< 1422296892 232562 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can just reload the content frame when you click on a link inside it
< 1422296914 962179 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :does html5 even have framesets :D?
< 1422296917 257144 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not.
< 1422296929 705800 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff. no
< 1422296940 23939 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say we try to make CoolHTML a standard
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< 1422298853 755789 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker
< 1422298869 916124 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1422299250 318401 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hello
< 1422299312 387923 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1422300758 939565 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6163683/cycles-in-family-tree-software
< 1422300761 949522 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1422301005 56082 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's a perfectly innocent explanation for this.
< 1422301048 830432 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a) tracking historical lineages in aristrocratic families. or b) tracking lineages in a computer game.
< 1422301516 751638 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :genealogical software isn't about awarding points for the best looking trees, just tracking reality. It's surprising that it didn't occur to someone writing that kind of software to handle that case
< 1422301543 530070 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other than that it's just a zombie post
< 1422301595 717756 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422301954 833303 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it did occur to them
< 1422302047 577215 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, English, how I hate thee.
< 1422302122 645862 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course "someone writing [...]" meant that particular someone, not any someone (like Bert Goethals below who clearly did consider all these things)
< 1422302215 467431 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, otherwise I'd have gone with "anyone"
< 1422302311 782503 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a matter of emphasis to me, and ASCII sucks at transporting that. Oh and English is not my native tongue.
< 1422302395 961969 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Bert's existence ruled out the "anyone" interpretation ^_^
< 1422302491 64673 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway... oh look! A butterfly!
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< 1422302798 588510 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/naturelibrary/images/ic/credit/640x395/l/la/large_blue_butterfly/large_blue_butterfly_1.jpg
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< 1422305787 388127 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will make an ESOSC draft for CoolHTML
< 1422305845 681361 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybee CoolStylesheets
< 1422306006 752574 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422306141 271893 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CoolHTML?
< 1422306177 101508 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1422306197 670724 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio
< 1422306307 471698 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: HTML but cooler.
< 1422306315 316354 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by cooler I mean more user friendly
< 1422306332 789093 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by user I mean people like me
< 1422306336 989103 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by more user friendly, you mean esoteric?
< 1422306338 287371 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by friendly I probably mean friendly
< 1422306374 322150 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :First of all no flash, no javascript
< 1422306396 335010 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's HTML focused on content
< 1422306416 668867 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a scripting language that only allows scripts that can be formally proven to terminate. proof has to be attached?
< 1422306425 941467 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: make sure it has a blink tag.
< 1422306801 156612 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1422306973 115250 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : i had the idea eaarlier while in the WC of a virtual machine built around the idea of 'everything not false is true' a la Scheme.
< 1422307224 851359 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the blink tag should be aperiodic, to make it cool.)
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< 1422309793 545731 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: blink isn't content, so... no
< 1422309887 876696 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: you could have it display a message in morse code
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< 1422310414 432452 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh great, that's what has been tripping me up. "`electric-indent-mode' is now enabled by default."
< 1422310427 692614 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1422310604 51851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh, that's an emacs change?
< 1422310608 485035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering why
< 1422310616 278964 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 24.4, yes
< 1422310624 95265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks rms
< 1422310715 738725 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1422310736 835290 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm used to breaking lines by placing the point (^) in front of a space, "abc^ def", and then pressing enter and delete... resulting in "abc\nef" with electric-indent-mode.
< 1422310773 300187 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course I should rely on auto-fill-mode instead... oh well)
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< 1422315502 428905 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1422315502 978174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages
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< 1422316055 33406 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shikhin: https://www.reddit.com/r/Prismata/comments/2trg0q/in_approximately_60_minutes_at_5pm_est_well_have/
< 1422316063 692746 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err where's shachaf
< 1422316178 482930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exactly would CoolHTML do? Might it be better to just support pod?
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< 1422316378 167207 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekNomz
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< 1422317994 860056 :GeekNomz!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude
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< 1422319247 918022 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to read input with a timer in a C code?
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< 1422320640 679615 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine CoolHTML would just be HTML 1.0
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< 1422321276 836069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extreme Counterspell {2UU} Artifact Enchantment - Aura ;; Enchant spell ;; {2}, {Q}: Exile enchanted spell. ;; {1UU}: Counter enchanted spell. ;; Madness {1U}, Ninjutsu {(2/R)(U/W)}, Persist, Undying
< 1422321399 744420 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422321542 639529 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bizarre Counterspell {2U} Instant ;; Play a subgame with target spell as your library. Your opponent has no library.
< 1422321573 389074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What will happen when subgame is finished?
< 1422321607 229161 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing. Except that the targetted card is shuffled into its owner's library. :)
< 1422321652 900197 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose then it doesn't work if the target spell is not a card.
< 1422321673 307515 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/target spell/target card on the stack/
< 1422321674 386322 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There.
< 1422321728 164819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me to study the rules for subgames again
< 1422321835 653710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose rule 715.3 makes the subgame to immediately end in a draw.
< 1422321901 970490 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk
< 1422321928 250862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that anyone cares the result of this subgame!)
< 1422321946 45469 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. The state of the subgame is inobservable.
< 1422321969 462174 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless there's something really stupid like Leyline of Wish (hypothetical) around. :P
< 1422322022 858230 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose if it is a variant game that uses stuff starting in the command zone that it might possibly do something
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< 1422322047 867177 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, what does {Q} denote?
< 1422322071 717257 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :{Q} is the untap symbol.
< 1422322073 312063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Untap symbol
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< 1422324155 330804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "Leyline of Wish" mean?
< 1422325054 225791 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joke, hypothetical leyline that does a wish at the start of game.
< 1422325328 508894 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, my sleep schedule is messed up again
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< 1422326834 318999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to read input with timer in a C code?
< 1422326993 363119 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :select with a timeout on the fd?
< 1422327017 755665 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422327038 905550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you do that in a C code that work in UNIX and in Windows(MinGW)?
< 1422327047 96793 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1422327051 185003 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't.
< 1422327074 721941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can use #ifdef if it is necessary
< 1422327120 473322 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I advise printing out a copy of POSIX and going to Redmond with it, and beat people with it until the C library improves.
< 1422327346 352658 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi
< 1422327369 704018 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you do this I will join you, and gladly)
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< 1422327886 592840 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use Xenix ;)
< 1422327925 251984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't use Xenix! Even if I could it won't help because it is needed to be cross-platform system rather than only for Xenix
< 1422327960 463843 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which used to be a MS branded Unix...)
< 1422327986 798216 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so proud I remembered the name ;-)
< 1422328116 589441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that, and like I said it wouldn't help.
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< 1422335678 648965 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vucpvqzhgykipuog NICK :Eolus
< 1422335723 762989 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vucpvqzhgykipuog PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm water
< 1422335868 746846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still didn't get any reasonable answer how to make input (from stdin) to timeout
< 1422335894 137325 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vucpvqzhgykipuog PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm?
< 1422335899 658984 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vucpvqzhgykipuog PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0
< 1422335906 655290 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vucpvqzhgykipuog PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask lilax later
< 1422335918 900759 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vucpvqzhgykipuog PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk what that'd about zzo38 
< 1422335935 23519 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vucpvqzhgykipuog PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's*
< 1422335980 819809 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit
< 1422336074 482119 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make with MinGW so that if something is receive by stdin with pipes it can time out to wait for input, to do something else and then try again until there is either the input or timer again
< 1422336126 263841 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vucpvqzhgykipuog PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: 
< 1422336134 494962 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vucpvqzhgykipuog PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.. What?
< 1422336146 459627 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vucpvqzhgykipuog PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stdin with mingw
< 1422336168 745537 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vucpvqzhgykipuog PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firsr of all, Explain the usage of minGW
< 1422336239 750682 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PART #esoteric :"Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"
< 1422336423 470039 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In PHP there is a socket_select command, but I would use C rather than PHP, and using stdin/stdout rather than socket
< 1422336552 34835 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So more like PHP's stream_select but in C
< 1422336683 773091 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vucpvqzhgykipuog PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pets zzo38
< 1422336696 598440 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vucpvqzhgykipuog PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how to use C
< 1422336725 805422 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the start of a sentence, when you would otherwise use c
< 1422336880 349386 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The start of personal and place names is also appropriate.
< 1422336953 371772 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As are titles, but only when used as part of or substitute for a name.
< 1422336984 287387 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vucpvqzhgykipuog PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who are you directing this towards?
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< 1422337295 930959 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Conversation can be *directed*?
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< 1422337447 814218 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vucpvqzhgykipuog PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes?!?!!!
< 1422337560 636253 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vucpvqzhgykipuog PRIVMSG #esoteric :If [a] Mdude is talking to [b] coppro And [b] goes to talk to [c] random person the conversation Mdude made would be taken from mdude and given to talk about to [c]
< 1422337570 874418 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vucpvqzhgykipuog PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thas how you direct a conversation
< 1422337606 281037 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eolus: I'm giving you good advice
< 1422337616 645974 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vucpvqzhgykipuog PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks guy
< 1422337639 291973 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vucpvqzhgykipuog PRIVMSG #esoteric :For that amazing advice
< 1422337641 761496 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you got the people reversed, but otherwise fair description of the concept.
< 1422337705 62712 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of C's input/output functions are in libraries.
< 1422337727 400008 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you're asking how to use stdin/stdout then look up standard library commands for it.
< 1422337794 557196 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd also try to get a shortned list that cuts out all the commands are known to be completely awful for all uses, which may be most of them.
< 1422337955 755755 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vucpvqzhgykipuog PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of its inputs and outputs are in libs?!
< 1422337959 144523 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vucpvqzhgykipuog PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds
< 1422337961 310076 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vucpvqzhgykipuog PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horrid
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< 1422339038 572850 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1422339405 63289 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
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< 1422340944 974474 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make IRC bot in C, and I want to be able to use it with timers. Connection to internet can be done with netcat (I tried it and it works).
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< 1422341683 466775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I ask such qustion before
< 1422341810 963125 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought of making a bot based on ii
< 1422341823 989329 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1422341859 317554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means what?
< 1422341900 497201 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tools.suckless.org/ii/
< 1422342031 941274 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just really don't want to handle all that irc stuff myself
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< 1422343291 977634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I want to make out of SQLite
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< 1422344611 300522 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream
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< 1422349988 77151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1422350338 51439 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: then it'll be <morse>Hi there, sexy</morse>
< 1422350660 356040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (($"").showIntAtBase 2 intToDigit)[67,70,73]
< 1422350662 214171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["1000011","1000110","1001001"]
< 1422350712 487508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a broken golf problem :(
< 1422350889 146858 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: which one?
< 1422350911 345324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Odious+Numbers+With+Bad+BO
< 1422350986 292744 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tails (next of 67 should be 70)"
< 1422351037 388875 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1clock220.05642015/01/14 19:14:330B / 9B / 13B
< 1422351039 582574 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeay
< 1422351041 662832 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :clock is back
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< 1422351324 425775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: wat
< 1422351465 499144 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat wat?
< 1422351473 490647 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :clock is a golfing legend
< 1422351478 169169 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he's back.
< 1422351485 443702 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was inactive for a loooong time
< 1422351491 974692 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly she
< 1422351493 566196 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1422351801 618875 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
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< 1422351948 366661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Channel is clogged again | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1422353393 803001 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :] 9
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< 1422353412 840752 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: |ill-formed number
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< 1422353447 835887 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ i.9+i.9
< 1422353448 547691 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: |limit error
< 1422353448 713550 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: |       i.9+i.9
< 1422353452 729592 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ \i.9+i.9
< 1422353453 358495 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: |syntax error
< 1422353453 512029 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: |       \i.9+i.9
< 1422353456 64557 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ /i.9+i.9
< 1422353456 829484 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: |syntax error
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< 1422353464 236209 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1422353477 399099 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: how do you map i. over a list of numbers?
< 1422353485 224563 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 9ro)ro
< 1422353490 784926 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
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< 1422353508 19904 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 9ro)ro
< 1422353508 271449 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {{1} {1 2} {1 2 3} {1 2 3 4} {1 2 3 4 5} {1 2 3 4 5 6} {1 2 3 4 5 6 7} {1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8} {1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9}}
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< 1422353597 968947 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: └┴─┴───┴─────┴───────┴─────────┴───────────┴─────────────┴───────────────┘
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< 1422353617 408272 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1422353684 906406 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
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< 1422353705 958187 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: I'm not sure that answers your question, try to ask more precisely
< 1422353706 524974 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 8(<:9)
< 1422353707 221535 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: |syntax error
< 1422353707 377609 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: |       8(<:9)
< 1422353720 378029 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: How do you calculate a sum?
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< 1422353849 361159 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that aint right
< 1422353863 931110 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't that be 10?
< 1422353892 208611 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ >./ 8 2 9 10 0 _1
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< 1422353894 47547 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1422353895 456674 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
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< 1422353980 980132 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... what?
< 1422353982 963608 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why 11?
< 1422353985 711508 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ +/ 2 2 ?@$ 10
< 1422353986 389441 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 12 5
< 1422353993 749529 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. it's random
< 1422353997 147442 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[  ?@$ 10
< 1422353997 860735 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 
< 1422354000 100037 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 2 2 ?@$ 10
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< 1422354009 591213 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ q =: 2 2 ?@$ 10
< 1422354010 291674 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: |ok
< 1422354011 205089 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[q
< 1422354014 595271 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ q
< 1422354015 264651 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 0 8
< 1422354015 445128 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 6 6
< 1422354022 478649 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ +/q
< 1422354023 156882 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 6 14
< 1422354025 979491 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ +/"q
< 1422354026 720359 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: |rank error
< 1422354026 876632 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: |       +/"q
< 1422354034 540406 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ +/"1q
< 1422354035 217322 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: |ill-formed number
< 1422354037 179400 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ +/"1 q
< 1422354037 882383 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 8 12
< 1422354044 868150 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ "1 q
< 1422354045 601202 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: |syntax error
< 1422354045 756635 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: |       "1 q
< 1422354057 216533 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ /"1 q
< 1422354057 952465 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: |syntax error
< 1422354058 123244 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: |       /"1 q
< 1422354062 320633 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get " :(
< 1422354095 214363 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh " takes a verb on the left
< 1422354095 843300 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1422354103 154409 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ +"1 q
< 1422354103 810979 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 0 8
< 1422354103 965646 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 6 6
< 1422354107 844061 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ q
< 1422354108 565319 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 0 8
< 1422354108 756693 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 6 6
< 1422354109 330938 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it takes either a noun or a verb on the left
< 1422354116 699640 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 2+"1 q
< 1422354116 909340 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the case where it takes a verb is more useful
< 1422354117 517069 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 2 10
< 1422354117 682201 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 8  8
< 1422354129 568452 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 2+ q
< 1422354130 271294 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 2 10
< 1422354130 438184 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 8  8
< 1422354149 916596 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I select the max element of all elements in a matrix?
< 1422354222 545894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ]q=.0 8,:6 6
< 1422354223 206493 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 0 8
< 1422354223 360152 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 6 6
< 1422354228 132119 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ >./,q
< 1422354228 739925 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 8
< 1422354248 929777 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want only the value of the max element, or the index?
< 1422354252 551511 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ q
< 1422354253 199380 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 0 8
< 1422354253 358707 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 6 6
< 1422354255 14124 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ,q
< 1422354255 725489 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 0 8 6 6
< 1422354291 341082 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: is there a find index?
< 1422354301 675603 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {1 2 3 4}2Fi
< 1422354301 830172 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 1
< 1422354309 349874 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {1 2 3 4 0}0Fi
< 1422354309 570334 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 4
< 1422354343 971877 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i. probably
< 1422354344 837379 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1422354350 117762 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 8i.,q
< 1422354350 826283 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: |ill-formed number
< 1422354354 926364 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 8 i.,q
< 1422354355 670672 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 1 0 1 1
< 1422354393 793849 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: yes
< 1422354405 561989 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ (i.>./)0 8 6 6 NB. find index of maximum
< 1422354406 173444 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1
< 1422354410 996660 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .
< 1422354422 883193 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 1{0 8 6 6 NB. check back which element that is
< 1422354423 564999 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 8
< 1422354426 661398 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't 8 i.,q return 1?
< 1422354437 482121 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 0 8 6 6 i. 8
< 1422354438 113489 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1
< 1422354443 611979 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 8 i.0 8 6 6
< 1422354444 242235 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1 0 1 1
< 1422354444 564796 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1422354445 451722 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1422354446 112226 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1422354449 931567 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 8 i.~0 8 6 6
< 1422354450 105689 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse argument order
< 1422354450 559499 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1
< 1422354460 641668 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 'abcde' i. 'c'
< 1422354461 360298 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 2
< 1422354479 743990 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because APL history
< 1422354487 298746 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 2{'abcde'
< 1422354488 17334 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: c
< 1422354542 968655 :chaosagent_!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1422354610 842291 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ #'abc'
< 1422354611 546118 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 3
< 1422354759 59594 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ C. 1 2 3 4 5
< 1422354759 745293 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: ┌─┬─┬─┬─┬─┬─┐
< 1422354759 919609 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: │0│1│2│3│4│5│
< 1422354759 919729 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: └─┴─┴─┴─┴─┴─┘
< 1422354770 293296 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ?.~ 10
< 1422354770 962594 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 4 3 6 2 9 8 5 1 7 0
< 1422354776 498917 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ C. ?.~ 10
< 1422354777 237466 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: ┌─────────────┬─────┐
< 1422354777 392414 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: │8 7 1 3 2 6 5│9 0 4│
< 1422354777 392534 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: └─────────────┴─────┘
< 1422354784 902121 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ #C. ?.~ 10
< 1422354785 582851 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 2
< 1422354789 509058 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ #/C. ?.~ 10
< 1422354790 194739 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: |domain error
< 1422354790 368933 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: |       #/C.?.~10
< 1422354794 611507 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ #"1/C. ?.~ 10
< 1422354795 297581 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: |domain error
< 1422354795 463672 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: |       #"1/C.?.~10
< 1422354798 124951 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1422354816 490207 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ >C. ?.~ 10
< 1422354817 168229 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 8 7 1 3 2 6 5
< 1422354817 334129 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 9 0 4 0 0 0 0
< 1422354825 371531 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does J also write all error messages in one line
< 1422354829 332693 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ #>C. ?.~ 10
< 1422354830 53914 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 2
< 1422354832 866526 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ #/>C. ?.~ 10
< 1422354833 562710 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
< 1422354842 122171 :arjanb!8259ad04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.173.4 QUIT :Quit: .
< 1422354842 301137 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what I'm doing :D
< 1422354869 733663 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ *./ 2 3 5
< 1422354870 443569 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 30
< 1422354879 565708 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ *./ 2 3 5 10
< 1422354880 229925 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 30
< 1422354880 437665 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can I never be bothered to Tuesday?
< 1422354999 992261 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :var =: ~.@(] , |:&.> , |.&.> , |."1&.>)^:3 
< 1422355001 617123 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta love J
< 1422355372 608910 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. Maybe I'll continue Burlesque
< 1422355373 119678 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1422355487 924577 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :having to write 100ro{...}f[ is just too long
< 1422355498 568060 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :100{...}FO is much better :D
< 1422355514 127284 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq ?_
< 1422355514 285784 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "I have 358 non-special builtins!"
< 1422355519 616310 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 400S[
< 1422355519 789871 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 160000
< 1422355601 91791 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}{\[}{)to{"Block"==}ay}w!
< 1422355601 246434 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8}
< 1422355631 526070 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You don't know any short way to completely flatten a Block?
< 1422355650 67532 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1422355655 846923 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}Sh
< 1422355656 656 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "[[1], 2, [[3, 4], 5], [[[]]], [[[6]]], 7, 8, []]"
< 1422355666 79866 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}2sH
< 1422355666 251143 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | [[1] 2 [[3 4] 5] [[[]]] [[[6]]] 7 8 []]
< 1422355668 560982 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}0sH
< 1422355668 724036 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | [[1], 2, [[3, 4], 5], [[[]]], [[[6]]], 7, 8, []]
< 1422355671 86141 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}1sH
< 1422355671 246735 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | [[1],2,[[3,4],5],[[[]]],[[[6]]],7,8,[]]
< 1422355673 575571 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}3sH
< 1422355673 739746 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}
< 1422355683 266484 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422355695 649679 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}3sH)ri
< 1422355695 819521 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (m[) Invalid arguments!
< 1422355695 975433 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {ri}
< 1422355695 975557 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}
< 1422355704 683250 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}3SH
< 1422355704 840816 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "{{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}"
< 1422355707 18006 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}3SH)ri
< 1422355707 179001 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0}
< 1422355710 891373 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}3SH:ri
< 1422355711 51879 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "12345678"
< 1422355727 978652 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}0sH
< 1422355728 133378 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | [[1], 2, [[3, 4], 5], [[[]]], [[[6]]], 7, 8, []]
< 1422355738 927304 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}1sH
< 1422355739 90145 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | [[1],2,[[3,4],5],[[[]]],[[[6]]],7,8,[]]
< 1422355741 333183 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}2sH
< 1422355741 488919 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | [[1] 2 [[3 4] 5] [[[]]] [[[6]]] 7 8 []]
< 1422355764 3203 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}2sH"(\[|\])""r~
< 1422355764 156544 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: (line 1, column 55):
< 1422355764 156710 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | unexpected end of input
< 1422355764 156786 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | expecting "\""
< 1422355767 751154 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}2sH"(\[|\])"""r~
< 1422355767 919746 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (r~) Invalid arguments!
< 1422355768 79662 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ""
< 1422355768 79804 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "(\\[|\\])"
< 1422355772 593120 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}2sH"(\[|\])"""R~
< 1422355772 746455 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (~=) Invalid arguments!
< 1422355772 899659 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ""
< 1422355772 899809 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "(\\[|\\])"
< 1422355783 214248 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}2SH"(\[|\])"""R~
< 1422355783 427226 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "(\\[|\\])[(\\[|\\])[(\\[|\\])1(\\[|\\])](\\[|\\]) (\\[|\\])2(\\[|\\]) (\\[|\\])[(\\[|\\])[(\\[|\\])3(\\[|\\]) (\\[|\\])4(\\[|\\])](\\[|\\]) (\\[|\\])5(\\[|\\])](\\[|\\]) (\\[|\\])[(\\[|\\])[(\\[|\\])[(\\[|\\])](\\[|\\])](\\[|\\])](\\[|\\]) (\\[|\\])[(\\[|
< 1422355788 499312 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ups
< 1422355793 347985 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}2SH"""(\[|\])"R~
< 1422355793 536923 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "1 2 3 4 5  6 7 8 "
< 1422355796 138126 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}2SH"""(\[|\])"R~ps
< 1422355796 297064 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8}
< 1422355834 415521 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Things like 2SH"""(\[|\])"R~ps might work for special edge cases
< 1422355879 542502 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1422355883 430353 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda want StripMiddle
< 1422355896 461548 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. to remove any occurence of [ or ] using a Regex just sucks
< 1422355921 913191 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's no StripManyLeft/StripManyRight
< 1422356255 457594 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :rn.+^^{L[}>mlnhd10coSPln{wd{,’ P[}m[}{1 0}#aD!m[SPsh
< 1422356260 296561 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :still more readable than J.
< 1422356395 604020 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 0 0 100rn100.+
< 1422356395 821832 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {77 49 22 1 78 35 57 69 70 71 70 34 81 46 2 24 78 25 67 15 39 77 26 25 82 80 38 10 83 5 68 2 20 87 30 56 40 63 93 24 38 27 67 52 38 27 77 52 20 97 25 80 45 8 11 67 65 93 69 13 63 34 87 25 66 99 71 30 63 84 73 22 3 17 72 32 59 32 91 85 72 43 56 13 90 27 76 
< 1422356399 365148 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 0 0 100rn20.+
< 1422356399 522173 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {77 49 22 1 78 35 57 69 70 71 70 34 81 46 2 24 78 25 67 15}
< 1422356409 450379 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 0 0 100rn20.+{20.>}fI
< 1422356409 615822 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {0 1 2 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 15 16 17 18}
< 1422356690 800344 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422356799 959039 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1422356805 773295 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :J_Arcane
< 1422357278 452350 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422357334 595748 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1422357363 751860 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}2SH
< 1422357363 912762 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "[[1] 2 [[3 4] 5] [[[]]] [[[6]]] 7 8 []]"
< 1422357462 924377 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-loqbgtoljcfqxxjd QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1422357552 426960 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}2SH{"[]"fe}m[
< 1422357552 588458 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {ERROR: Burlesque: (_+) Invalid arguments!}
< 1422357565 46998 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}2SH{"[]"jfe}m[
< 1422357565 203879 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {ERROR: Burlesque: (_+) Invalid arguments!}
< 1422357672 980772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "thursday"'dfe
< 1422357673 201497 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (fi) Invalid arguments!
< 1422357673 201658 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 'd
< 1422357673 201731 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "thursday"
< 1422357675 918774 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "thursday"'djfe
< 1422357676 77936 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (fi) Invalid arguments!
< 1422357676 78095 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "thursday"
< 1422357676 78169 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 'd
< 1422357679 989475 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1422357700 198502 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: how do I find the index of a character in a string, or test whether the character is in the strong?
< 1422357704 687158 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/strong/string/
< 1422358385 148825 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1422358385 816200 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 271100Z 03018G27KT 15SM OVC200 M15/M20 A3009 RMK CS8 SLP194
< 1422359957 210493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: as predicted, the Typeable bug fix gets caught up in the GHC release panic...
< 1422359973 61439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how many packages depend on a polykinded Typeable instance
< 1422360020 657604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Lens doesn't seem to have any Typeable constraints at all.
< 1422360039 815752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :singleton only uses it at *
< 1422360578 743428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e <int-e> Anyway... oh look! A butterfly! <-- technically it's a moth hth
< 1422360579 277658 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1422360802 811169 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422360998 150119 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1422361210 876530 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: EVIDENTIAL CHICKEN
< 1422361492 766443 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422361601 236968 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1422362427 491624 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1422363263 179122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1422363287 353078 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422363625 623845 :ringy!594347c8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.67.71.200 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1422363790 525013 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: with ~[ i think
< 1422363798 950308 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abcdef""cd"~[
< 1422363799 103985 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 1
< 1422363804 585018 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the index with ss
< 1422363806 875989 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abcdef""cd"ss
< 1422363807 28275 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 2
< 1422363819 239187 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abcdef""dc"~[
< 1422363819 392330 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 0
< 1422363822 471262 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abcdef""dc"ss
< 1422363822 623138 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | -1
< 1422363856 958204 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abcdef"'c~[
< 1422363857 112050 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 1
< 1422363863 412066 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abcdef"'cfI
< 1422363863 565336 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (fi) Invalid arguments!
< 1422363863 737386 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 'c
< 1422363863 737496 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "abcdef"
< 1422363865 738941 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abcdef"'cFi
< 1422363865 890911 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 2
< 1422363873 736180 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Fi you can find the index of a character
< 1422363880 68767 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with ~[ you can test if it's in the string
< 1422363966 734501 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abcdefc"'cFI
< 1422363966 924702 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Unknown command: (FI)!
< 1422363966 924874 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 'c
< 1422363966 924949 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "abcdefc"
< 1422363974 39256 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abcdefc"'cfi
< 1422363974 192872 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (fi) Invalid arguments!
< 1422363974 193068 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 'c
< 1422363974 193145 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "abcdefc"
< 1422363996 347558 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abcdefc"{'c==}fI
< 1422363996 501007 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {2 6}
< 1422364039 949700 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to search for multiple occurences
< 1422364065 469994 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also FindElement
< 1422364087 718894 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 2 10ro?^{120.>}fe
< 1422364087 872212 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 128
< 1422364103 121596 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 2 1R@?^{120.>}fe
< 1422364103 274756 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 128
< 1422364109 119279 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which also works with infinite lists of course
< 1422364414 703438 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "thursday"'d~[
< 1422364414 855716 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 1
< 1422364426 791319 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "thursday"'dFi
< 1422364426 943564 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 5
< 1422364452 641669 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, thanks
< 1422364483 569223 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}2SH{"[]"j~[}f[
< 1422364483 722881 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "[[][[]][[[]]][[[]]][]]"
< 1422364511 309842 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}2SH{"[]"j~[n!}f[
< 1422364511 501690 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "1 2 3 4 5  6 7 8 "
< 1422364535 198594 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}2SH{"[]"j~[n!}f[ra
< 1422364535 351868 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 1
< 1422364569 767524 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}2SH{"[]"j~[n!}ps
< 1422364569 920952 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {{[]} ERROR: Burlesque: (ps) Invalid arguments! j ERROR: Burlesque: (ps) Invalid arguments! ~[ ERROR: Burlesque: (ps) Invalid arguments! n!}
< 1422364569 921116 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "[[1] 2 [[3 4] 5] [[[]]] [[[6]]] 7 8 []]"
< 1422364576 988732 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1} 2 {{3 4} 5} {{{}}} {{{6}}} 7 8 {}}2SH{"[]"j~[n!}f[ps
< 1422364577 142227 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8}
< 1422364600 832630 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that. but it's not very short.
< 1422365159 535765 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422365329 259438 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I guess there should be a "Flatten" built-in
< 1422365335 312980 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which completely flattens a Block
< 1422365341 250301 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1422365349 720693 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude
< 1422365382 159795 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422365419 664869 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :{\[}{)to{"Block"==}ay}w! is the most generic way of doing it
< 1422365441 299601 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it calls concat as long as there is an element of type "Block" in the Block
< 1422365447 8620 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422365463 418332 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can shorten that to q\[{)to{"Block"==}ay}w!
< 1422365476 129352 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can probably shorten "Block"== to 'starts with B'
< 1422365902 940438 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422366948 386250 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1422367158 515281 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Have you written some burlesque programs?
< 1422367470 444338 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcdaoqrufbknikkk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422367513 30804 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcdaoqrufbknikkk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1422367514 706312 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcdaoqrufbknikkk PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1422367533 290572 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcdaoqrufbknikkk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wtf is j-bot doing
< 1422367541 175716 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcdaoqrufbknikkk PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why is there so much spam
< 1422367568 65273 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcdaoqrufbknikkk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing the only reason to spam a bot here would to check an error
< 1422367570 644158 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "J-Bot is doing J"<-Q
< 1422367570 815739 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | J gniod si toB-J
< 1422367575 302162 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcdaoqrufbknikkk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although there is also
< 1422367582 200646 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcdaoqrufbknikkk PRIVMSG #esoteric :A channel for that
< 1422367598 705640 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "J-Bot is doing J")<-Q
< 1422367598 858400 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | j-bOT IS DOING j
< 1422367625 970721 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcdaoqrufbknikkk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN SEE THAT
< 1422367635 789949 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcdaoqrufbknikkk PRIVMSG #esoteric :its called j-bot for a reason
< 1422367641 679994 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "J-Bot is doing J"<-)<-XX)'0wdQ
< 1422367641 839330 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 0 j 0   0 G 0 N 0 I 0 O 0 D 0   0 S 0 I 0   0 T 0 O 0 b 0 - 0 j
< 1422367646 334245 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcdaoqrufbknikkk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking you why its being spammed
< 1422367655 315136 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because bots like to spam
< 1422367667 301333 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcdaoqrufbknikkk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it somewhere else maybe :-:
< 1422367672 39726 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422367682 807197 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcdaoqrufbknikkk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pets mroman_
< 1422367686 500431 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcdaoqrufbknikkk PRIVMSG #esoteric :gud kitty
< 1422367689 255448 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | How about no?
< 1422367708 589771 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcdaoqrufbknikkk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pets blsqbot
< 1422367710 831113 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bots need to be spammed or they'll feel alone and worthless.
< 1422367725 975175 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcdaoqrufbknikkk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they were made to feel
< 1422367738 36723 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | I was taught to love
< 1422367770 632068 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? blsqbot
< 1422367772 23003 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsqbot? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1422367795 91818 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn blsqbot is the owner of the bot 'mroman'.
< 1422367798 564583 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'blsqbot': blsqbot is the owner of the bot 'mroman'.
< 1422367807 976241 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcdaoqrufbknikkk PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft
< 1422367829 4459 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen you around here btw?
< 1422367832 100857 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcdaoqrufbknikkk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bots
< 1422367860 674941 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcdaoqrufbknikkk PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've actually seen Us before
< 1422367864 277215 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcdaoqrufbknikkk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not me
< 1422368021 505927 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcdaoqrufbknikkk PRIVMSG #esoteric :¢_¢
< 1422368105 25133 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcdaoqrufbknikkk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ive actually never burlesqued
< 1422368106 570138 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcdaoqrufbknikkk PRIVMSG #esoteric :So
< 1422368159 852617 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1422368165 542649 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then learn ;)
< 1422368188 100501 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fmnssun.github.io/Burlesque/
< 1422368189 731982 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go
< 1422368450 207732 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422368577 84588 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1422369138 358726 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: no
< 1422369183 178195 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: have you documented the new builtins related to variables yet?
< 1422369245 78713 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1422369251 5999 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet
< 1422369261 471064 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1422369287 614053 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's <any><string>sv and <string>gv (setvar, getvar)
< 1422369302 237093 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with sereval shortcuts
< 1422369305 939261 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :s<digit> and g<digit>
< 1422369322 619039 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's the more readable %<string>=<token> with %<string>? and %<string>!
< 1422369376 834750 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: right
< 1422369399 158175 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and %:<values>V for maps
< 1422369401 398061 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gv and sv
< 1422369409 44016 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq %:0 "nine" 9 "eight" 8V
< 1422369409 197578 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | <"eight",8><"nine",9>
< 1422369411 839684 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um what's that?
< 1422369422 586904 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :associative arrays
< 1422369429 745653 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever you call them
< 1422369435 268986 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean the %: starts a map
< 1422369438 883407 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1422369441 981418 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1422369451 701510 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq %:0 "nine" 9 "eight" 8V"nine"lk
< 1422369451 854871 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Unknown command: (lk)!
< 1422369451 855028 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "nine"
< 1422369451 855156 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | <"eight",8><"nine",9>
< 1422369453 782208 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq %:0 "nine" 9 "eight" 8V"nine"lv
< 1422369453 935657 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Unknown command: (lv)!
< 1422369453 935822 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "nine"
< 1422369453 935898 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | <"eight",8><"nine",9>
< 1422369455 746301 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1422369458 979778 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq %:0 "nine" 9 "eight" 8V"nine"ml
< 1422369459 151594 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Unknown command: (ml)!
< 1422369459 304975 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "nine"
< 1422369459 305106 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | <"eight",8><"nine",9>
< 1422369470 81652 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq %:0 "nine" 9 "eight" 8V"nine"mg
< 1422369470 245374 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Unknown command: (mg)!
< 1422369470 399242 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "nine"
< 1422369470 399375 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | <"eight",8><"nine",9>
< 1422369472 822317 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1422369478 143775 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's map lookup again
< 1422369482 656995 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq %:0 "nine" 9 "eight" 8V"nine"mv
< 1422369482 810584 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Unknown command: (mv)!
< 1422369482 963837 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "nine"
< 1422369482 963972 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | <"eight",8><"nine",9>
< 1422369542 398122 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ml
< 1422369552 198271 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ("ml", builtinMapLookup),
< 1422369574 402170 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but blsqbot hasn't been updated just yet for those new changes
< 1422369656 284328 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1422369711 428141 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's yY
< 1422369717 627342 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and |[ and |]
< 1422369729 612488 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq |[y9?iY9?i|]
< 1422369729 769555 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Unknown command: (|])!
< 1422369729 923246 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 10
< 1422369729 923414 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ?i
< 1422369733 30857 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq |[y9?iY9?i]|
< 1422369733 220896 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {9 ?i 10}
< 1422369736 897125 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are those? and do you have a postscript-like mark yet?
< 1422369749 714536 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :|[ pushes a mark
< 1422369755 936979 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good!
< 1422369766 730399 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq |[1 2 3 4 ?+|]
< 1422369766 884097 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Unknown command: (|])!
< 1422369767 37683 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 7
< 1422369767 37817 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 2
< 1422369769 715148 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq |[1 2 3 4 ?+]|
< 1422369769 868630 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {1 2 7}
< 1422369771 117162 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a peek builtin yet?
< 1422369777 686879 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1422369777 840231 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq y9
< 1422369777 841469 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: (line 1, column 3):
< 1422369777 993863 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | unexpected end of input
< 1422369777 994012 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | expecting digit, white space, "%", "g", "s", "S", "m{", "q", "{", "\"", "-", "'", "(", "y" or "Y"
< 1422369795 922623 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq y9Y
< 1422369796 75223 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 9
< 1422369801 199802 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq y9 ?+Y
< 1422369801 354958 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ?+
< 1422369801 508201 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 9
< 1422369801 687518 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, what's that?
< 1422369813 280315 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it escapes code so it's not executed
< 1422369825 737882 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq |[9 ?i|]
< 1422369825 891332 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Unknown command: (|])!
< 1422369825 891500 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 10
< 1422369825 891573 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | |[
< 1422369829 687046 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq |[9 ?i]|
< 1422369829 840358 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {10}
< 1422369835 956970 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- this will produce 10
< 1422369844 41304 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq |[y9 ?iY]|
< 1422369844 194644 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {9 ?i}
< 1422369846 835912 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- this won't
< 1422369865 646035 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {9 ?i}
< 1422369865 805844 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {9 ?i}
< 1422369870 927409 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- and obviously this won't either
< 1422369889 505217 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq |[1 2?+y3 4?+Y5 6?+]|
< 1422369889 696685 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {3 3 4 ?+ 11}
< 1422369901 858495 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2?+ is executed, 5 6?+ is executed
< 1422369910 723304 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422369911 682840 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but y3 4?+Y not because it's escaped using yY
< 1422369924 158543 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so y3 4?+Y will be 3 4?+ in the resulting Block
< 1422369928 444416 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1422369946 531453 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hi""there"sv{"hi"gv}
< 1422369946 684712 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {"hi" gv}
< 1422369949 592164 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs
< 1422369950 691685 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude
< 1422369956 786992 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hi""there"sv|["hi"gv]|
< 1422369956 940173 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {_|_}
< 1422369964 887518 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hi""there"sv|["there"gv]|
< 1422369965 40907 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {"hi"}
< 1422369971 117602 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs
< 1422369975 895479 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hi""there"sv|[y"there"gvY]|
< 1422369976 49034 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {"there" gv}
< 1422370002 220702 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq |[?+]|
< 1422370002 414317 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {ERROR: Burlesque: (.+) Invalid arguments!}
< 1422370005 566581 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq |[(?+)]|
< 1422370005 753065 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {?+}
< 1422370014 590851 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yY is the same thing as ()
< 1422370025 37972 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that () only works for a single token and yY works for multiple tokens
< 1422370028 246593 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq (9 ?+)
< 1422370028 399900 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: (line 1, column 4):
< 1422370028 400078 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | unexpected "?"
< 1422370028 400153 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | expecting space, white space or ")"
< 1422370031 587739 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- nope
< 1422370036 33953 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq y9 ?+Y
< 1422370036 187342 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ?+
< 1422370036 340598 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 9
< 1422370037 991548 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- yep
< 1422370699 83760 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:e13c:93b6:d94:fb03 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422370725 611651 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:e13c:93b6:d94:fb03 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1422371695 928235 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422371844 416387 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-51.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422371859 248877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa... 
< 1422371869 777952 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this language is scary
< 1422371877 843201 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello from casablanca
< 1422372009 50444 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1422372052 948731 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot likes bread?
< 1422372053 208011 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: at least what should i make them well), would i still be able to
< 1422372062 417635 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, quintopia
< 1422372072 95983 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Can you unboil eggs?
< 1422372072 274165 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: what's ( a+bi)/(c+di)? *ponder*
< 1422372097 716938 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422372127 196880 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: if you had an invisibility cloak, what would you use it for?
< 1422372127 664154 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: if you want to unload any c64 floppies here the equipment is all ready in " fully reduced form", "
< 1422372148 431141 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1422372148 584501 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1422372167 494683 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: If you had an invisible cloak, how would you know you have it?
< 1422372167 750442 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: you should know will it exits or not :) correct? i don't
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< 1422372350 147138 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What are your plans for this weekend?
< 1422372350 343207 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: the comments in here were talking about yesterday
< 1422372379 470535 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot should learn complex arithmetic
< 1422372379 724368 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: sisc's interface looks roughly equivalent to " this is"
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< 1422372398 473002 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot invented Taneb.
< 1422372398 914511 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: http://www.wolframscience.com/ prizes/ tm23/ fnord oh. but drscheme is a good channel to discuss typing? here or haskell?!
< 1422372414 862971 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :What
< 1422372472 992673 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stephen wolfram
< 1422372474 349752 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him.
< 1422372531 474682 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fungot
< 1422372531 628165 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself)
< 1422372537 743275 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: forumla 3.7.13 in Abramowitz--Stegun, see at http://convertit.com/Go/ConvertIt/Reference/AMS55.ASP?Res=150&Page=16&Submit=Go
< 1422372538 15851 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: and is one of the other qubits should stay. you, in the world, tee, hee! it's not the only one thing we need to defeat you, lavos.
< 1422372574 91710 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Can you do IRP?
< 1422372574 245267 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: to. why, this is for you guys are a lot
< 1422372612 964696 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: or 1.9.16 in the new handbook, see at http://dlmf.nist.gov/1.9#E16
< 1422372613 156662 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ( ( ( a()**)a*:a*)(a()**)a*:a*)((x1)(x2)(x3)) ...out of time! don't let it no more fnord than they, for all you have to hire the fitting on the fnord back, my little dear, i shall have to leave any minute now
< 1422372623 722675 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, that looks like underload
< 1422372662 244152 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How random are you?
< 1422372662 433757 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_:, so i'd be happy to help an fnord archive) or " in meinen lederhosen" ( plural) or " in meinen lederhosen" ( plural
< 1422372665 458334 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How random are you?
< 1422372665 611605 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: and, dab, words like pop-culture should use the binary level, then the file extension for oses which can be considered to be abstained, it doesn't end with `try again'. ( the last character output before it will issue this warning is meant to just be patient, the answer, the fact remained to collect, reduce, wapr ( use %help for argument information)
< 1422372675 132160 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty random so
< 1422372714 442194 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: reinstate (3713)
< 1422372714 596018 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's just so stupid that ' stty erase h' has that as their whole fnord range of the ' ' ' delete a value of type " airbus is a big fan of avril....but this song " there
< 1422372719 929692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: please
< 1422372720 82992 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i, myself, will bring an end to all. ghosts lurk in the ruins were in truth, and everything in readiness for fnord. under these to tristan d'acunha, a volcanic origin, a high, and was fnord him with his umbrella. " who can have patience to acquire it. just fnord" brutha. " do you know much about gods, i am no fighter:
< 1422372796 395076 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Is that a threat?
< 1422372796 548194 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: so, let's say i call them mindless games. if we hit every stupid person, any person going fast and such an apparently non-standard format is being dimensioned by assigning dimensions to them; and sets. maybe thats what them meant by experimental selected so it fnord be useful information regarding the report, mr. owen, i am satisfied, with much ado. your sister is the better part made mercie, i should think at least, t
< 1422372830 600050 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you hit every stupid person you'd be in jail.
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< 1422374355 641270 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What did you study?
< 1422374355 794567 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: and it's self-modifying techniques." stop immobilizes and disables you. in these bones, i shall return! by the way, the wings! now this is a way to the ocean palace?
< 1422374445 83174 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :an actual self-modifying bot in here would be fun.
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< 1422375491 742371 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that stop sounds highly effective
< 1422375491 896638 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: something like scheme48 ( upon the general position is a part of these amendments, i can only thank the president-in-office, you did hear me say that we have had in getting information with regard to monetary policy, a factor is
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< 1422375628 995607 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1422375629 149189 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot* homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
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< 1422377010 500971 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PART #esoteric :"Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"
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< 1422379673 603156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome cpressey
< 1422379675 134097 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06cpressey: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02<http://esolangs.org/>. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.)
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< 1422379685 363541 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
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< 1422382809 9781 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there's an interesting seminar about OpenCL tomorrow
< 1422382813 513165 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall make an effort to attend
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< 1422386929 391789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask edwardk Are you aware of https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9858 ?  i note you're not Cc:ed, and with your large number of libraries you might be affected by the suggested temporary fixes...
< 1422386929 920821 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1422387001 90925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes he could have privmsg'ed directly...
< 1422387031 748460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what didn't help, i've forgotten
< 1422387126 691204 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=64962
< 1422387220 803542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh right.
< 1422388037 704945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh cpressey was mysteriously passing through
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< 1422389201 985674 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh re-erecting burned bridges.
< 1422389205 754868 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fun
< 1422389325 495794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: um are you referring to the burning bridges proposal?
< 1422389350 403811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to the typeable mess
< 1422389359 975194 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm referring to the "Drastic Prelude changes imminent" thread, and the burning bridges slowly idea there.)
< 1422389363 29300 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/)//
< 1422389376 494302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this on reddit
< 1422389386 744027 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. libraries mailing list.
< 1422389391 486697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1422389520 427820 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, it might be on/find its way to reddit. I wouldn't know.)
< 1422389542 462659 :arjanb!8259abfe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's already big on the haskell reddit..
< 1422389619 787804 :arjanb!8259abfe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow the old guard feels the need to wake up only at the last moment...
< 1422389659 474803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete all copies and notify the sender immediately. You may wish to refer to the incorporation details of Standard Chartered PLC, Standard Chartered Bank and their subsidiaries at 
< 1422389664 481500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.standardchartered.com/en/incorporation-details.html
< 1422389679 274728 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least I got a good laugh out of  https://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2015-January/117893.html
< 1422389828 459700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how was spj completely unaware of this exactly
< 1422389837 759590 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a mystery to me.
< 1422389854 950104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even follow haskell any more and even I knew some stuff was happening with the prelude
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< 1422390617 678445 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Command-line based real-time mech shooter. http://www.kevinpauly.me/#!mecha-trigger/c19a7
< 1422390637 704495 :TieSoul!56597793@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSleep
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< 1422390895 560887 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kevinpauly.me/?_escaped_fragment=mecha-trigger%2Fc19a7 ... fail. <body><div id="SITE_CONTAINER"></div></body> (but a nice comment about ajax crawling near the top)
< 1422390908 782257 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1422390918 62199 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed an underscore. sigh.
< 1422390936 366644 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kevinpauly.me/?_escaped_fragment_=mecha-trigger%2Fc19a7 actually displays something
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< 1422392448 407519 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.codes/post/109310541818/folders-a-language-with-no-files
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< 1422397342 620301 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi everyone. got a question. am I right that macrosystem of PL (C, LISP) is crutch and good PL with regular syntax ideally should go without it?
< 1422397389 558477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not understand.
< 1422397408 716795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe macros are a good idea.
< 1422397422 672699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C and Lisp macro systems (well, macro systems plural in the case of Lisp dialects) are so wildly different that almost no statement can meaningfully quantify over them.
< 1422397425 884191 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think it can be a matter of opinion.
< 1422397432 793950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C's preprocessor macros are basically text substitution with very little else.
< 1422397445 890447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp macro systems are much closer to code-writing-code compiler extensions.
< 1422397477 893918 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it is a good idea for as much as possible/reasonable to be defined using macros.
< 1422397480 33414 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell can do fine without macros?
< 1422397483 556493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see the argument for cpp macros being a crutch; they're usually used in ways that a more powerful language wouldn't need, sure.
< 1422397491 95255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp is another story; it's an integral part of why the language is extensible.
< 1422397498 331103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PinealGlandOptic: Haskell has macros (Template Haskell).
< 1422397500 154822 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh yes, I forgot about C++ templates
< 1422397513 298388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by cpp I mean C preprocessor.
< 1422397520 229214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs them less due to having good abstraction power thanks to call-by-name semantics and a first-class treatment of effects
< 1422397523 383887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(haskell, that is)
< 1422397531 301976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but template haskell is still used. (it's pretty ugly, though.)
< 1422397532 653505 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you would construct new PL, would it support macros?
< 1422397550 73651 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PinealGlandOptic: Me? Definintely.
< 1422397561 364519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends what the language is like... it's nice when you don't have to use macros to accomplish some task, since that generally results in things being simpler, but having the facility available is very powerful
< 1422397576 619901 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only does Haskell have Template Haskell (usually you don't need them but it can sometimes help a lot), but my opinion is that such things as do-notation and list-syntax also ought to be made into macros instead of how it is now.
< 1422397577 414809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get a lot of extensibility from a (relatively) simple mechanism
< 1422397599 660256 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, that's what I mean, "it's nice when you don't have to use macros to..."
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< 1422397674 589746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some sense if it's hard to come up with something you'd need macros for, then you probably have some abstraction that behaves very much like macros in some ways
< 1422397677 659831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in some way
< 1422397683 333401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, I was right the first time.
< 1422397741 995371 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, BTW. noob question. I feel that early primitive PLs were just simple term-rewriting systems. am I right?
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< 1422397802 230679 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... so they were like macro-assemblers...?
< 1422397831 538186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends what you mean by term rewriting...
< 1422397929 390532 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? C
< 1422397930 477069 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is the language of��V�>WIד�.��Segmentation fault
< 1422397935 529489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There still are many macro assemblers though.
< 1422397999 598407 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUDIO REACTIVE TOOL FOR CONVERTING FORTRAN BASED ANDROID APPLICATIONS TO VISUALISATIONS
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< 1422398014 155750 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For many different kid of systems. Some assemblers don't have macros though, or don't have very powerful macros.
< 1422398021 486030 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://whatthefuckismymashup.com/
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< 1422398150 209864 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any good reading about PL evolution and history?
< 1422398397 600972 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
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< 1422399511 774531 :atriq!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io NICK :Taneb
< 1422399522 211970 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I atriq'd by accident
< 1422399678 10752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Manifest target spell."
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< 1422403803 380724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is this the right channel to post Wikipedia pages which are so specific I'm surprised they exist?
< 1422403805 864122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_castling
< 1422403860 35318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, but you can post it anyways.
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< 1422404105 961964 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is chess, therefore it is the right channel.
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< 1422404473 406430 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any esolangs that encode instructions in chess moves?
< 1422404492 118272 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because chess notation looks to me at least as unintelligible as burlesque.
< 1422404589 809376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, clearly we need an esolang which has a relatively simple mapping between chess moves and instructions (preferably one that ties into chess somehow, not a boring BF equivalent)
< 1422404601 289183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the twist is: the program needs to be a valid chess game
< 1422404624 588939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hardest part would presumably be ensuring that each piece is only moved from the square it's currently on
< 1422404708 349182 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like the wiki turns up only a couple unfinished and unimplemented idea pages.
< 1422404765 971156 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does occur to me that a chessboard is essentially 8 one-byte registers, after a fashion ...
< 1422404789 865249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also makes the language fail at full TCness because it only supports finitely many programs
< 1422404798 2437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, IMO it should at least be curly-L complete
< 1422404934 381125 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true. Chess is 'solvable' after all. Now Go ...
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< 1422405020 712602 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, the 50-moves rule isn't enforced.
< 1422405230 945741 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(same for the three-fold repetition)
< 1422405254 414140 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:CBR (Cleverer Brainfuck)14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41728 5* 03BCompton 5* (+133) 10Created page with "Should this page be ''CBF'' instead of ''CBR''? ~~~~"
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< 1422409320 250593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: but Go is already a programming language
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< 1422409423 852966 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call it Ban Go
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< 1422410547 938707 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sings «Ban go, ban go, ban go, ban go, ban go dai kazoku ♪»
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< 1422419878 236266 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There exists a web browser written in Node.js
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< 1422420045 483397 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't get much more isomorphic than that
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< 1422424645 770308 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ujjbecjargydeaah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
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< 1422424893 38901 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
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< 1422431695 766976 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you study my Magic: the Gathering puzzle.3 by now? Or you don't?
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< 1422432712 82142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :has reddit changed its comment font?  i suddenly find it harder to read :(
< 1422432996 661245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sans serif now, i don't remember if it used to be
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< 1422433258 942684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, i think it's just increased the size of the font one step too much
< 1422433293 20007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :changing text size to small made it look normal
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< 1422435522 170432 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A chess rating system with inflation could involve that a game is (e^(tr)) points where e is the base of natural logarithms, t is the timestamp in seconds since the epoch (you can change the epoch in order to rescale; all ratings are then recomputed), and r is the inflation rate in hertz. The system is of course more complicated than just that, but that can be one of the components of a system.
< 1422435650 938278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think it can be worked?
< 1422436328 563332 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you want inflation?
< 1422436466 156522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows deflation is harmful
< 1422436694 119634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that more recent points winning/losing is worth more.
< 1422437305 775365 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use a model that assigns each player not only an estimated rating, but also an estimated rating rate of change
< 1422437540 397991 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :An exponential inflation rate won't work because if, say, an IM plays against a GM who hasn't played (in rated tournament games) for several years, the IM would start with a higher rating even though he is expected to lose
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< 1422438895 675717 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, it was connection error
< 1422438968 773685 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The purpose of this rating system I try to make up isn't exactly the same as things such as Elo anyways.
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< 1422439190 408417 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, event bonuses would be part of the system too.
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< 1422439803 161336 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Event bonuses would be based on different expectations calculated for each event. No wins/losses are calculated at all outside of a tournament. If you play outside of a tournament, your score is safe.
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< 1422442688 229164 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't systems using average rank be way better?
< 1422442741 230850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know?
< 1422442793 40600 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you win as the lower player you switch ranks with your opponent
< 1422442804 146949 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example if you play as rank 5 against a rank 3 
< 1422442809 848702 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the average ranks are 5 and 3
< 1422442812 271255 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you win
< 1422442821 138400 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll be promoted to rank 3 and he'll go down to rank 5
< 1422442830 828853 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means both have an average rank of 4 now
< 1422442833 946943 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll play again
< 1422442837 774957 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'll win again
< 1422442845 481269 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :both stay at their ranks
< 1422442848 912977 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3+3+5)/3
< 1422442851 114753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.6666666666666665
< 1422442861 593812 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is then the new average rank of the winning player
< 1422442862 339565 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1422442867 698181 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3+5+5)/3
< 1422442869 200024 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4.333333333333333
< 1422442875 972100 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :will be the rank of the loosing player
< 1422442985 842278 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Obviously there are two rankings then. The current ranking and the ranking based on average ranking)
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< 1422453992 518083 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ujcsmezouzmcpdvv PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan its always been sans serrif
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< 1422456357 694140 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:InputUsername14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41729&oldid=41598 5* 03InputUsername 5* (+82) 10Added qq implementation
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< 1422457785 447844 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41730&oldid=41345 5* 0368.227.98.57 5* (+107) 10/* Normal implementations */
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< 1422460103 191062 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did increase the font size (and other small changes): https://www.reddit.com/r/changelog/comments/2tw6pm/reddit_change_changes_to_default_text_styling/
< 1422460149 349850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422460297 454481 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1422460303 914906 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking the font was slightly different
< 1422460412 4185 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok
< 1422460415 305176 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess reddit sucks then
< 1422460473 697488 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Websites shouldn't set a font-size.
< 1422460494 555876 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe for headings
< 1422460503 716209 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only in terms of relative to default font-size
< 1422460520 715836 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :oley moley
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< 1422460528 896548 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone did something to the headers
< 1422460536 325331 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/T6Vym68.png
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< 1422461945 187278 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is why forums are fundamentally broken. you're forced to use the front-end as provided by some website.
< 1422461975 373736 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than, say, your favourite news reader. (oh Usenet, I have not seen you for ages)
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< 1422462460 843818 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, this is h1. It should be really big."
< 1422462476 183002 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, well, true. but you just know people are going to abuse it for emphasis.
< 1422462496 183280 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :See
< 1422462504 600066 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be totally different with CoolHTML
< 1422462520 952429 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I saw GeekDude's screenshot. I don't need more demonstration.)
< 1422462532 627573 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: we had a better world. it was called plain text.
< 1422462565 486074 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had a better world. it was called messenger pigeons.
< 1422462637 670035 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no seriously
< 1422462642 220226 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need CoolHTML .
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< 1422462688 800247 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may, I don't think I do. I'm averse to "cool", it makes me shiver.
< 1422462842 347218 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what upsets me more than sites arbitrarily changing their layouts though ...
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< 1422462872 533890 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... is that different sites have font sizes that vary by orders of magnitude (at least that's what it feels like).
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< 1422462954 630329 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and that 'px' still hasn't died out in CSS.
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< 1422463162 931178 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. the esoteric codes site has a huge font. must be a blog thing.)
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< 1422463381 346236 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still experimenting with http://mroman.ch/designs/d2/
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< 1422463469 987275 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next thing I gotta do some boxes and buttons that scale well across different displays
< 1422463488 945254 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first thing for smartphones is websites that have ads on the left
< 1422463496 247972 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because those ads just take away so much space 
< 1422463663 84791 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate websites that require zoom to function well
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< 1422463678 845205 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :some websites use incredibly small font-sizes for links
< 1422463694 92356 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so to click them you have to zoom in a lot 
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< 1422466403 972713 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1422466454 239284 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/ahmadsalim/11077308
< 1422466456 574024 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof that Agda is Turing complete
< 1422466479 659996 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think :/
< 1422466483 819006 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't agree
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< 1422466997 268063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/wouter-swierstra/Brainfuck mcbride makes this point a lot too
< 1422467008 923259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(uh, not to imply that's mcbride)
< 1422467332 158968 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: Looks acceptable to me.
< 1422467346 283769 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: what's your objection?
< 1422467365 971261 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the README is missing a negation, isn't it?
< 1422467399 219871 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand what point wouter is trying to make
< 1422467421 78145 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I get tired of explaining that totality is not the same as Turing completeness." <-- I think he means "incompleteness" there.
< 1422467449 423420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: that there's no reason the RTS can't follow codata like it follows IO actions
< 1422467459 782722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agda's IO monad is codata so it's TC I guess
< 1422467468 838286 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1422467471 278576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, agda is TC in the same way that haskell can do IO)
< 1422467539 122110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(conor also likes making the point that even for programs which don't terminate in practice, we generally don't want full partiality: for instance, a server should run forever, but it should always respond to requests in finite time -- i.e. unless the task is "implement a TC language", you can probably do better modelling things with a notion of productivity than just a full-blown partiality monad)
< 1422467666 80620 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Tangentially related, stream fusion has streams (which are codata) with a Skip constructor because that avoids recursion, leading to better inlining...)
< 1422467682 366636 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I don't know why I thought of this now.)
< 1422467697 15808 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason my view of 'turing complete' is about the functions N -> N you can implement
< 1422467702 553689 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not TC in that respect
< 1422467714 347568 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it IS TC in a looser sense I guess
< 1422467734 235124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's meant more as a rebuttal to people being, like, well, agda is total, so it's not TC, so you couldn't use it for writing real programs
< 1422467750 849897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially interpreters, etc.
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< 1422467858 538587 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: Right, here the view taken is that of a decision problem (i.e. the machine accepts some language L, with acceptence indicated by program termination.)
< 1422467904 198650 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, codata is essential because now totality does not imply termination anymore.
< 1422467980 314697 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's how the argument goes: because the programs are total function, they have to terminate on all inputs, and therefore the language can't be TC.
< 1422467993 13136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we would accept this as proof of agda being TC on the esowiki, say
< 1422468008 534947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we don't look at the internals of programs to see exactly how they're implemented when making that call
< 1422468016 488208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, other than to verify it really has infinite memory etc.)
< 1422468028 271423 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like it is misleading to tell people agda is turing complete
< 1422468045 829838 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also in any paper in theoretical computer science, provided we say something about how to produce the `main` function in general.
< 1422468085 108913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like it's misleading to tell people it's sub-TC
< 1422468094 429701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :total : pure
< 1422468098 886156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing-complete : can do IO
< 1422468123 562814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"haskell is useless, it's pure so it can't do any IO so you can't write real programs!" "haskell is pure, but we can do IO (even though a function (a -> b) is pure), by using the top-level 'main'"
< 1422468127 642988 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: Clearly we need more than a single statement (Agda is [not] TC.) to do Agda justice.
< 1422468134 504950 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought an coinductive execution trace of a small step interpreter 
< 1422468142 74409 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the same as 'run n steps' of a small step interpreter
< 1422468149 305415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"agda is useless, it's total so it's not turing complete so you can't write real programs!" "agda is total, but we can do partiality (even though a function (a -> b) is total) by using the top-level 'main'"
< 1422468154 225409 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Haskell is useless, everything it can express is constant."
< 1422468155 323897 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can do that in many non turing complete languages, it's run infinity steps that makes somethin TC
< 1422468165 615295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: but you can do that
< 1422468171 118634 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not telling people agda is useless:/
< 1422468174 822452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could write an agda "main" that just follows that execution trace
< 1422468180 413884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :printing the output as it goes
< 1422468182 988513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then run that
< 1422468188 257161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would halt iff the BF program does
< 1422468209 693387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that module should probably have a main but I don't know how experimental/usable agda's IO stuff is
< 1422468228 731715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's at least possible in theory because agda's IO is analoguous to that Trace
< 1422468235 369667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*analogous
< 1422468286 140013 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Agda have something like   codata Compute a = Result a | Later (Compute a)  with machinery to live functions from base types to that stream type?
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< 1422468325 901808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it has the partiality monad somewhere, yes, maybe not in the stdlib
< 1422468329 125819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people have definitely written it up though
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< 1422468354 85440 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then the answer to vanila's complaint becomes, well, if f : N -> N  doesn't always terminate, then you can still write  f : N -> Compute N.
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< 1422468568 301078 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. s/live/lift/ up there
< 1422468593 244034 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(worryingly, a spell checker wouldn't have helped me.)
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< 1422474248 43653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: behold my typeable monster
< 1422474389 559791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure whether the Proxies or the UndecidableInstances are the worst
< 1422474409 103132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9858#comment:33)
< 1422474537 258815 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if he can get cabal-install to only spit out a solution …
< 1422474570 321328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: have you tried -dry-run ?
< 1422474600 682278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(possibly with two -s, i never remember)
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< 1422474756 553579 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: beautiful.
< 1422474816 281892 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, that doesn’t look very machine-readable, though I guess it will work, and I think I need to set up a completely empty packageDB somehow for it to tell me everything.
< 1422474863 678409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: well that's as far as my expertise on getting output from cabal-install goes, i'm afraid
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< 1422475041 954329 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: to be useful you'll also need something like  instance (Typeable' (a :: k -> k'), Typeable' (b :: k)) => Typeable' (a b), I think?
< 1422475067 757231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well sure, but that's already in the current implementation afaik
< 1422475089 805755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just trying to include the basic PoC
< 1422475210 452588 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's just that Kindable will infect that one now. instance (Kindable' (Proxy :: k' -> *), Typeable' (a :: k -> k'), Typeable' (b :: k)) => Typeable' (a b) where
< 1422475221 690792 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I thought it'd be harder.
< 1422475295 390365 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and the proxies are worst. UndecidableInstances is generally harmless.
< 1422475314 23643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i'm just wondering about it infecting everything
< 1422475319 828348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that uses Typeable
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< 1422475430 293314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume both of the uglinesses would go away if kinds could be instances directly.
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< 1422475643 504342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i vaguely think may be planned to happen as part of richard eisenberg's experiments?
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< 1422475828 19555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's already happened, in which case this could be immediately simplified.
< 1422475850 100285 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm confused: http://lpaste.net/3318663114416717824
< 1422475893 992254 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ghc's error messages are extremely unhelpful without kinds)
< 1422475926 807234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have noticed
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< 1422476044 194751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, the added Kindable contexts is of course the ugliest part of this.
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< 1422476104 358935 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as indicated I feel that there's some weakness in the instance checker there...
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< 1422476139 755392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is similar to the final change i had to do to make it compile
< 1422476202 974894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's actually rather simple.  you cannot deduce from  Kindable' (Proxy :: (k1 -> k2) -> *)   to    Kindable' (Proxy :: k -> *)  because of the open world assumption; the first instance _could_ come from somewhere else.
< 1422476255 424456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to change ((k -> *) -> *) to (k -> *) in the context of the Typeable' Proxy instance for similar reasons
< 1422476262 723395 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. sigh.
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< 1422476348 360339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid similar stuff is going to make this very annoying to _use_, as well :(
< 1422476436 309273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst part was that it couldn't deduce Kindable' (Proxy ((k -> *) -> *) in the where clause  from Kindable' (Proxy ((k -> *) -> *) in the context
< 1422476476 934028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume it used instance resolution on the latter _before_ checking if it was in the context, leading to something that wasn't.
< 1422476507 268042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well.
< 1422476730 522175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<FireFly> they did increase the font size (and other small changes): https://www.reddit.com/r/changelog/comments/2tw6pm/reddit_change_changes_to_default_text_styling/ <-- i see the top comment is someone having essentially the same reaction as me.  let's hope there's enough backlash.
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< 1422478779 942824 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this looks a bit less infectious: http://lpaste.net/1496357053919133696
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< 1422479186 185235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
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< 1422479519 257079 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmpf.
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< 1422479598 513024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fpmh?
< 1422479603 512965 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION discovers why idris depends on wai.
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< 1422480335 458923 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, cleaning up a bit: http://lpaste.net/4263409010180358144
< 1422480595 288121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: go on
< 1422480692 541396 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: idris uses cheapskate to parse markdown, and cheapskate has an optional executable that depends on wai, which apparently causes it to be pulled in.
< 1422480695 775461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: btw they're planning to make typereps typed, that's what the TTypeRep stuff was about.
< 1422480820 133069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you better post that on the trac thread
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< 1422481194 616953 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, I missed the typed typereps.
< 1422481217 578057 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: anyway, I added to the ticket
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< 1422481382 834726 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but anyway this was a great insight from your side, that the kind-level -> can be pattern matched against.
< 1422481573 684407 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I would really like TypeRep to be an open GADT ;-)  (see http://lpaste.net/110434 for the reason. Of course there's prior art for this.)
< 1422481655 341353 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Prior art: This is essentially how GRIN (jhc) works, as far as I understand it.)
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< 1422483248 162920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1422483776 913081 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmh?
< 1422484033 429153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tht?
< 1422484146 884063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1422484197 50434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :every month my cookie for the reddit adserver expires and i get to see that bloody r/sciencefiction ad again
< 1422484258 579514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it
< 1422484317 350936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.adzerk.net/Advertisers/f1cd14ed8b3b4dffaadcc42bc8313180.jpg may be it
< 1422484429 537805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a weird ad
< 1422484442 665462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear there are browsers that can do ad blocking these days, hth
< 1422484449 389733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOA
< 1422484472 62919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's the only disturbing ad i've seen on reddit)
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< 1422484722 846747 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :A disturbed oerjan? My mind boggles!
< 1422484740 810458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens!
< 1422484759 871294 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :disturbing in what way?
< 1422484896 444429 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.izismile.com/img/img6/20130710/640/disturbing_and_revolting_facts_about_the_human_body_640_09.jpg
< 1422484917 920031 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Don't click on that link if you are easily disturbed)
< 1422484937 224893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't hth
< 1422484981 837250 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a human head without skin
< 1422484998 119602 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the cranium
< 1422485069 201396 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you shouldn't google for open luxation then
< 1422485083 527551 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or smoker's leg
< 1422485105 907388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's not
< 1422485115 181765 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's this game where who ever can look at the most disturbing picture wins
< 1422485121 183735 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fun game
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< 1422485264 993057 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, elliott: Did you watch the Saw movies?
< 1422485287 533355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1422485300 949042 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1422485357 540414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure not hth
< 1422485423 603451 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1422485427 508765 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just download them all
< 1422485434 535505 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then watch them all in a marathon
< 1422485448 284532 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You won't be the same 
< 1422485453 897206 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or better yet, don't do that
< 1422485468 255435 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hth)
< 1422485487 720618 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1422485523 909186 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just repeat the procedure until it doesn't disturb you anymore ;)
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< 1422485689 220153 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's called exposition training
< 1422485720 155384 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1422485722 985264 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :exposure training
< 1422485724 473049 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1422486004 245207 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1422486010 377805 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go to sleep
< 1422486034 601371 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or watch Saw I
< 1422486036 349939 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1422486095 899053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep, or never sleep again, that's the question
< 1422486122 617724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and girl genius is back to late update again
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< 1422486158 436233 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they still have a couple of hours left of yesterday
< 1422486234 244490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than that if they go by seattle time
< 1422486257 241190 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was "a couple" as in "a few" rather than "two", hth.
< 1422486262 863058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish
< 1422486356 671749 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the meantime I'm impressed by whio's handling of that 101 scrabble words data compression task.
< 1422486386 878688 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expected solutions below 100 bytes. I didn't expect 74.
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< 1422487459 664724 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wiyuzqpdfjnjjtpy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1422487545 295229 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh Lilax.
< 1422487565 292794 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't pay attention for a day and more than 1% of the populace has a new name. Sigh :)
< 1422487613 695102 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wiyuzqpdfjnjjtpy PRIVMSG #esoteric :?!
< 1422487614 177099 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? .
< 1422487623 205262 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wiyuzqpdfjnjjtpy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I meant @
< 1422487632 884904 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wiyuzqpdfjnjjtpy PRIVMSG #esoteric :What int-e 
< 1422487671 359929 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wiyuzqpdfjnjjtpy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone seems the same on the list?
< 1422487721 533596 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so it's been two days.
< 1422487784 50474 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wiyuzqpdfjnjjtpy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes?! it has
< 1422487814 735700 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wiyuzqpdfjnjjtpy PRIVMSG #esoteric :But lilax was here yesterday int-e
< 1422487847 55256 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't.
< 1422487854 980390 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wiyuzqpdfjnjjtpy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1422487864 971568 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wiyuzqpdfjnjjtpy PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what are you talking about
< 1422487873 427012 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Lilax is now known as Eolus <-- that was 2 days ago.
< 1422487881 340416 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wiyuzqpdfjnjjtpy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye
< 1422487886 680575 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wiyuzqpdfjnjjtpy PRIVMSG #esoteric :We switched
< 1422487891 282949 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wiyuzqpdfjnjjtpy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly int-e 
< 1422487919 893691 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Eolus 
< 1422487920 935633 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eolus: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1422487943 534878 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wiyuzqpdfjnjjtpy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non
< 1422487953 706350 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wiyuzqpdfjnjjtpy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you welcome me
< 1422487995 796591 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well since you pretend not to be Lilax I don't think you've been welcomed before.
< 1422488025 410088 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wiyuzqpdfjnjjtpy PRIVMSG #esoteric :please stop calling me lilax :l
< 1422488186 132968 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot?
< 1422488186 316241 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e:. i'm so kind, even to assholes! anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov
< 1422488220 97959 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that loop is also nice :)
< 1422488251 244443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best part is the "nick:."
< 1422488254 292593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the punctuation handling
< 1422488258 923053 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: try this again  try this again  try this again
< 1422488259 86140 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e:, so i'd be happy to help an fnord archive) x) bug? when i looked at it" and enjoy knowledge, and its kind, but my watch it toast? or decide. fnord 22:11, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 22, 22, 22, 22, 22, 22, 22, 22, ...too much output!
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< 1422490614 585951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: The "no not markov" loop is a well-known one.
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< 1422492019 863289 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah what are the units of a ring
< 1422492083 921887 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, one with a multiplicative inverse
< 1422492612 943924 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step-mom just told me I do not need to gain more weight
< 1422492657 680026 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, is your step-mom a medical professional
< 1422492678 339200 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supposedly she is a nutritionist
< 1422492696 406045 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1422492702 398098 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I do not know your situation
< 1422492717 973562 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely need to gain wait
< 1422492720 983475 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1422492723 233351 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :*weight
< 1422492808 899405 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only to make my trousers not fall down
< 1422493020 981099 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
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< 1422493168 432209 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, i lost a shitload of weight last summer due to illness, the trouser crisis was almost catastrophic
< 1422493236 788200 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1422493274 577994 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be sad, i never liked my old trousers all that much anyway
< 1422493282 65191 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have much nicer ones now
< 1422493313 629706 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :The :( was at least partially at illness
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< 1422497510 221746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is still involved with haskell community stuff?
< 1422497521 262962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the "best practices" these days with all this stackage and LTS haskell stuff and so on
< 1422497652 331523 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LTS?
< 1422497676 482346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.stackage.org/lts https://github.com/fpco/lts-haskell#readme don't ask me
< 1422497694 240742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanna know what tooling everyone uses now :p
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< 1422497842 68416 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic tdh
< 1422497887 444181 :arjanb!8259abfe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik most just continue to suffer with cabal and hackage, and hope it will get fixed sometime in the future...
< 1422497898 281403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's cabal sandboxes, at least
< 1422497905 53125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were nice enough last time I did haskell properly
< 1422497942 701046 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1422497977 895877 :arjanb!8259abfe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now they are thinking about moving cabal to a Nix style of package management
< 1422498011 214933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I thought that already happened
< 1422498044 604098 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how do you feel about the PVP?
< 1422498044 748582 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily:. i'm so kind, even to assholes! anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov
< 1422498115 851176 :arjanb!8259abfe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see also http://www.well-typed.com/blog/2015/01/how-we-might-abolish-cabal-hell-part-2/
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< 1422499874 726452 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :stackage "versions are hard, who needs them anyway"
< 1422499887 507267 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such nosql, very webscale
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< 1422500009 469880 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "pre-processing" a valid strategy when trying to write a tokenizer? (Inserting spaces, to make it easier to process, for example)
< 1422500352 862931 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is normally not necessary, unless your token language is not regular
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< 1422501581 334034 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wbthoqewqqluyvlb PRIVMSG #esoteric :digimon
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< 1422506394 460881 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wbthoqewqqluyvlb PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure my job description is just gonna be "Litterally something but Functionally a complete waste of space"
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< 1422506900 136904 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wbthoqewqqluyvlb PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also cannot grammar 
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< 1422519186 741178 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Taktentus 5*  10New user account
< 1422519662 379370 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taktentus14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41731 5* 03Taktentus 5* (+505) 10Initial
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< 1422519898 455156 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taktentus14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41733&oldid=41732 5* 03Taktentus 5* (+145) 10add variables
< 1422520190 157101 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taktentus14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41734&oldid=41733 5* 03Taktentus 5* (+56) 10daa author
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< 1422522988 959786 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who'd have thought
< 1422522994 455995 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drones impose a security problem
< 1422523003 409406 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost shocked
< 1422523022 455803 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although this could create new jobs
< 1422523025 560202 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Drone Sniper"
< 1422523051 71169 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm just sitting there all day with my sniper rifle and when a drone enters our air zone I'll shoot it down."
< 1422523218 246363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422523389 661813 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using drones to smuggle stuff into prisons...
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< 1422531180 39357 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker NICK :SopaXorzTakere
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< 1422532632 999391 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sniper drones that hunt drone snipers
< 1422533103 950708 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
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< 1422533234 617679 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafellot. I'm not sure it's a good idea. poetically sound, but it makes me feel queasy...
< 1422533239 972049 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrelloman.
< 1422533248 620318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now combine this with pizza hut drones and you have an idea for a game.
< 1422533298 835343 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. are they pizza-hut drones or pizza hut-drones?
< 1422533370 98159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former.  they deliver pizza.
< 1422533426 652546 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq ) {{1 {2 3} {}} {9} {{{8}}} "huhu" { {1 {2 {3}}}}}FL
< 1422533427 755953 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1 2 3 9 8 "huhu" 1 2 3}
< 1422533445 702320 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could steal the pizza from pizza-hut drones with a pizza-stealing drone
< 1422533463 414797 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422533463 559790 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A new flood of drone related incidents happened last month!
< 1422533468 922214 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? drone
< 1422533469 665240 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drone? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1422533474 382482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure the game wants some actual shooting hth
< 1422533497 55750 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn drones are tools used to perform certain criminal actions that were not possible in the ancient times.
< 1422533498 849321 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'drone': drones are tools used to perform certain criminal actions that were not possible in the ancient times.
< 1422533544 877164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/the //' wisdom/drone
< 1422533547 399955 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1422533551 735923 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, murder.
< 1422533564 702951 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn cyberdrone is a drone flying in cyberspace.
< 1422533566 764053 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'cyberdrone': cyberdrone is a drone flying in cyberspace.
< 1422533571 173561 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? drone
< 1422533571 854962 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drones are tools used to perform certain criminal actions that were not possible in ancient times.
< 1422533583 42595 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1422533593 15999 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what did you sed?
< 1422533612 87892 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/drone
< 1422533612 675220 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drones are tools used to perform certain criminal actions that were not possible in ancient times.
< 1422533613 692710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i removed "the " before ancient times hth
< 1422533614 267347 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has pizza not been stolen since ancient times?
< 1422533618 979388 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn pizza
< 1422533620 712238 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "pizza" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1422533620 856841 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. Ok
< 1422533620 856980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pizza
< 1422533620 857058 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: Italian open pie made of thin bread dough spread with a
< 1422533620 857135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :         spiced mixture of e.g. tomato sauce and cheese [syn:
< 1422533620 857206 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :         {pizza}, {pizza pie}]
< 1422533662 804923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: your goal, in this game, is to help pizza hut expand its operations in north pakistan hth
< 1422533677 435225 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :help me out?
< 1422533690 131583 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanello. about what?
< 1422533691 599302 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to compile a language with lambda
< 1422533699 390119 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run 'echo "How old are you?" > "wisdom"/"drone sex"'
< 1422533699 995024 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: echo "How old are you?" > "wisdom"/"drone sex": No such file or directory
< 1422533702 448509 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1422533704 162622 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure how to make t efficient enough
< 1422533710 411180 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "How old are you?" > "wisdom"/"drone sex"
< 1422533712 155675 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1422533717 927154 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? drone sex
< 1422533718 611193 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How old are you?
< 1422533735 359483 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wonder pizza is eaten everywhere. Open pies know no boundaries.
< 1422533739 202044 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might include strapping a strap on onto a drone and then...
< 1422533740 276897 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...
< 1422533811 570434 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait.. pizza is a sub-group of pie?
< 1422533828 970694 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn pie
< 1422533829 925644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "pie" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1422533830 195430 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pie
< 1422533830 339979 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: dish baked in pastry-lined pan often with a pastry top
< 1422533830 340135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    2: a prehistoric unrecorded language that was the ancestor of
< 1422533830 340209 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       all Indo-European languages [syn: {Proto-Indo European},
< 1422533831 990336 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       {PIE}]
< 1422534002 708723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie
< 1422534034 627817 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1422534067 778582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: is this language lazy?  read up on ye olde stg machine
< 1422534075 855273 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :strict
< 1422534089 330689 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: APOSTOLIC CHICKEN
< 1422534093 579217 :Novtopro_!~Novotpro@113.119.40.234 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422534118 783410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the read up on caml i guess
< 1422534122 748335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*then
< 1422534159 767675 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile to a language with lambda hth
< 1422534218 96854 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1422534224 117161 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell does Loop do in Burlesque?
< 1422534307 566557 :Novtopro_!~Novotpro@113.119.40.234 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded
< 1422534369 830673 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq_uptime
< 1422534369 976202 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :2d 2h 14m 34s
< 1422534373 954591 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq LO
< 1422534374 265788 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Unknown command: (LO)!
< 1422534399 743003 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow... it executes a predicate over every two element as long as the predicate returns true
< 1422534412 689977 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder where i could get help on this?
< 1422534425 903868 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq ) {1 2 3 4 -1 2}0{.>}LO
< 1422534426 995158 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1 2 3 4}
< 1422534477 636405 :Novtopro_!~Novotpro@113.119.40.234 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422534518 522304 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422534929 846386 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1422534933 516045 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burlesque Webserver
< 1422534937 279255 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is it
< 1422535248 279389 :Novtopro_!~Novotpro@113.119.40.234 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded
< 1422535299 4930 :Novtopro_!~Novotpro@113.119.40.234 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422535320 982717 :Novtopro_!~Novotpro@113.119.40.234 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1422535643 246684 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07KlingonCode14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41735 5* 03TomPN 5* (+2864) 10Created page with "'''KlingonCode''' is an esoteric programming language invented by Tom Price-Nicholson in 2015. It is based on the Klingon language from Star Trek. Instructions, inputs, output..."
< 1422535705 105053 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:TomPN14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41736&oldid=41425 5* 03TomPN 5* (+111) 10
< 1422535792 642559 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07KlingonCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41737&oldid=41735 5* 03TomPN 5* (+224) 10
< 1422535808 497499 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07KlingonCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41738&oldid=41737 5* 03TomPN 5* (+0) 10/* See also */
< 1422535836 936286 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RingCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41739&oldid=41605 5* 03TomPN 5* (+38) 10/* See also */
< 1422535850 193590 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07IDTM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41740&oldid=41455 5* 03TomPN 5* (+38) 10/* See also */
< 1422535867 933717 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Quantum Dimensions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41741&oldid=41706 5* 03TomPN 5* (+38) 10/* See also */
< 1422535885 947415 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dimensions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41742&oldid=41603 5* 03TomPN 5* (+38) 10/* See also */
< 1422535905 687257 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Musical notes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41743&oldid=41602 5* 03TomPN 5* (+38) 10/* See also */
< 1422535930 417409 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RingCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41744&oldid=41739 5* 03TomPN 5* (+1) 10/* See also */
< 1422535953 88369 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07IDTM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41745&oldid=41740 5* 03TomPN 5* (+1) 10/* See also */
< 1422535986 261508 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41746&oldid=41671 5* 03TomPN 5* (+18) 10/* K */
< 1422536043 415499 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07KlingonCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41747&oldid=41738 5* 03TomPN 5* (+8) 10/* Syntax */
< 1422536084 896990 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07KlingonCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41748&oldid=41747 5* 03TomPN 5* (+1) 10/* Variables */
< 1422536102 517360 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07KlingonCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41749&oldid=41748 5* 03TomPN 5* (-24) 10/* Input and output */
< 1422536118 208135 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07KlingonCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41750&oldid=41749 5* 03TomPN 5* (+4) 10/* Input and output */
< 1422536134 963372 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07KlingonCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41751&oldid=41750 5* 03TomPN 5* (+2) 10/* Sums */
< 1422536166 736529 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07KlingonCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41752&oldid=41751 5* 03TomPN 5* (+3) 10/* Creating a class */
< 1422536197 688818 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07KlingonCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41753&oldid=41752 5* 03TomPN 5* (+0) 10/* Example programs */
< 1422536459 288612 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07KlingonCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41754&oldid=41753 5* 03TomPN 5* (+345) 10/* Execution time */
< 1422536534 415062 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07KlingonCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41755&oldid=41754 5* 03TomPN 5* (+190) 10/* Execution time */
< 1422536550 141 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07KlingonCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41756&oldid=41755 5* 03TomPN 5* (-190) 10/* Execution time */
< 1422536887 79738 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch:8000/reverse.blsq?stdin=hello
< 1422536888 368357 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1422537223 166404 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1422538181 744504 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't happstack give me the list of querystring parameters?
< 1422538322 661244 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am stuck on a question of my ring theory assignment
< 1422538324 754034 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ring
< 1422538325 840073 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Addition, subtraction and multiplication have a certain ring to them.
< 1422538330 196740 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delicious
< 1422538392 775766 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Let D be a finite no-trivial ring with no zero divisors. Prove that D is a  ring with identity"
< 1422538397 634138 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone give me a pointer
< 1422538417 96182 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not in the C sense
< 1422538544 266890 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a no-trivial ring?
< 1422538597 421921 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ring with identity is supposed to have q * 1 = q = 1 * q
< 1422538632 652881 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. A trivial ring is where 1=0
< 1422538633 940432 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1422538656 974750 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant "non-trivial", and yes
< 1422538834 92569 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you multiply every number together a*b*c*d*e = x then x is equal to one of those numbers
< 1422538860 95536 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no zero divisors means a*b = 0 doesn't exist, right?
< 1422538872 787935 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's no a and no b that would satisfy a*b = 0
< 1422538881 604576 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose x = c, then what's a*b*d*e?
< 1422538884 857721 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my discrete math course was some while ago
< 1422538888 756641 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes, if a and b are non-zero
< 1422539114 196601 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hm
< 1422539126 403559 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a*b = 0 and b*c = 0
< 1422539165 558342 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a,b,c are all non zero
< 1422539250 889657 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but that's not really insightful
< 1422539265 350970 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: that's taking it the wrong way round
< 1422539274 373711 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a*b*b*c would be zero as well :(
< 1422539281 660591 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the proof relies on D being finite
< 1422539285 393864 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07KlingonCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41757&oldid=41756 5* 03TomPN 5* (+338) 10/* Syntax */
< 1422539291 667249 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can sort of multiply right round D and get back to where you started
< 1422539305 39612 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's finite yes
< 1422539331 204288 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question does say "finite"
< 1422539370 928789 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1422539410 280726 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get what I said
< 1422539566 769650 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07KlingonCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41758&oldid=41757 5* 03TomPN 5* (-154) 10/* Execution time */
< 1422539592 766677 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07KlingonCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41759&oldid=41758 5* 03TomPN 5* (-58) 10/* Syntax */
< 1422539636 572790 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel ignored :(
< 1422539639 573719 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I'm not sure what you said shows it's an identity for all elements of the ring
< 1422539835 573014 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you can show it squares to itself and is an identity for it's additive inverse, I think
< 1422539854 273894 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oytvxeqkqehqehby JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422539903 925489 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41760&oldid=41692 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+95) 10/* External resources */ added intro link
< 1422540248 993621 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RingCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41761&oldid=41744 5* 03TomPN 5* (+19) 10/* See also */
< 1422540258 957575 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RingCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41762&oldid=41761 5* 03TomPN 5* (+0) 10/* See also */
< 1422540282 228580 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RingCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41763&oldid=41762 5* 03TomPN 5* (+0) 10/* See also */
< 1422540302 169943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07IDTM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41764&oldid=41745 5* 03TomPN 5* (+19) 10/* See also */
< 1422540334 637244 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07KlingonCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41765&oldid=41759 5* 03TomPN 5* (+19) 10/* See also */
< 1422540419 588870 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RingCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41766&oldid=41763 5* 03TomPN 5* (+38) 10/* See also */
< 1422540448 829240 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07IDTM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41767&oldid=41764 5* 03TomPN 5* (+40) 10/* See also */
< 1422540468 64364 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07KlingonCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41768&oldid=41765 5* 03TomPN 5* (+21) 10/* See also */
< 1422540528 699524 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07KlingonCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41769&oldid=41768 5* 03TomPN 5* (+26) 10/* See also */
< 1422540544 965580 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07IDTM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41770&oldid=41767 5* 03TomPN 5* (+26) 10/* See also */
< 1422540578 609420 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RingCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41771&oldid=41766 5* 03TomPN 5* (+48) 10/* See also */
< 1422540605 20812 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07IDTM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41772&oldid=41770 5* 03TomPN 5* (+22) 10/* See also */
< 1422540626 529164 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07KlingonCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41773&oldid=41769 5* 03TomPN 5* (+22) 10/* See also */
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< 1422541575 291992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1422541678 100930 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422542036 448574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: find an element a such that a^(n+1) = a.  consider (a^n b - b)a  for any b.
< 1422542057 23111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1422542064 956931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* a(a^n b - b)
< 1422542083 745447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's not slip in commutativity here
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< 1422542359 683979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION convinces himself it's not true if you just have a monoid.
< 1422542368 718586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er *semigroup
< 1422542404 418762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1422542422 104955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION backtracks
< 1422542471 263646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is true for semigroups that would be a generalization
< 1422542487 872804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1422542526 135560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the First monoid (without Nothing) is a counterexample.
< 1422542557 414405 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422542642 189688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depends on noncommutativity to avoid having a zero though.
< 1422542691 715221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, with a semigroup if you have a zero and no "zero divisors" you can just remove the zero and you still have a semigroup
< 1422542847 391264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except now the _remainder_ could have another zero.
< 1422542901 140724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and zero divisors for that.
< 1422543034 350487 :GeekAfk!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude
< 1422543075 889584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0,0), (1,1), (1,2) and (2,1) with min as product is a commutative counterexample.
< 1422543115 133997 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, can distributivity  over + save us?
< 1422543139 704469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: um i'm talking about semigroup case.  i already told you how to do it for rings hth
< 1422543144 479795 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1422543150 10398 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I was pretty much asleep
< 1422543161 366743 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks
< 1422543169 815403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome
< 1422543980 594263 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422544255 462602 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1422544870 103612 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422545013 69378 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1422545022 474962 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio
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< 1422545759 360449 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Quit: everything gonna be fine
< 1422546127 342442 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1422546983 979296 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422547663 189903 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oytvxeqkqehqehby QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1422548129 585883 :tswett!d042a0c8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.66.160.200 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422548153 910134 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422548170 679022 :tswett!d042a0c8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.66.160.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm hmm, Chu spaces. Hmm hmm.
< 1422548387 666488 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422548436 885686 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask Taneb about them
< 1422548441 536714 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He invented them.
< 1422548613 933854 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, Chu stole the invention and all my knowledge of hem
< 1422548710 387950 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to believe people can just invent spaces.
< 1422548729 917653 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody needed to invent the non-breaking space
< 1422549395 823692 :tswett!d042a0c8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.66.160.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to create an esolang based on "Chu Spaces: A Model of Concurrency".
< 1422549406 57852 :tswett!d042a0c8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.66.160.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.stanford.edu/pub/cstr/reports/cs/tr/94/1521/CS-TR-94-1521.pdf
< 1422549418 519161 :tswett!d042a0c8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.66.160.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By, uh... Vineet Gupta.
< 1422549595 196939 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :vineet gupta, alter alias: taneb
< 1422549613 566366 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vingevd Guptaneb
< 1422549631 240533 :tswett!d042a0c8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.66.160.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'm starting to figure out what this will look like.
< 1422549640 114599 :tswett!d042a0c8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.66.160.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There will be classes, classes will have attributes...
< 1422549888 487855 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way
< 1422549903 951801 :tswett!d042a0c8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.66.160.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's going to be freaky.
< 1422549904 882236 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be attributes
< 1422549908 82595 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and attributes have classes
< 1422549920 343203 :tswett!d042a0c8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.66.160.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here, let me give you a taste.
< 1422550091 551966 :tswett!d042a0c8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.66.160.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instream { a; b; instream tail; a excludes b; (tail.a or tail.b) requires (a or b) }
< 1422550263 947935 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it.
< 1422550274 413903 :tswett!d042a0c8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.66.160.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's a space called an instream.
< 1422550288 3443 :tswett!d042a0c8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.66.160.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An instream consists of three things: an event a, an event b, and an instream tail.
< 1422550299 118261 :tswett!d042a0c8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.66.160.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a excludes b" means that it is not possible for both a and b to happen.
< 1422550320 635866 :tswett!d042a0c8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.66.160.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then "tail.a or tail.b requires a or b" means that neither tail.a nor tail.b can happen unless a or b happens.
< 1422550654 487065 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1422550989 435644 :TieSleep!56597793@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.89.119.147 NICK :TieStudying
< 1422551508 116711 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422553084 264314 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:2133:248b:c056:6a23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422553715 967001 :yermanyTorres!~canaima@190.75.170.132 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422553826 239162 :arjanb!8259ab9c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.156 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422553935 920234 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1422554026 534939 :yermanyTorres!~canaima@190.75.170.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola
< 1422554067 697140 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1422554602 302752 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422554624 213483 :tswett!d042a0c8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.66.160.200 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1422554636 653355 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1422554638 359980 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker NICK :SopaXorzTaker
< 1422554690 534276 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1422554884 19746 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kpzrxntacabfhjrh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1422554896 719665 :yermanyTorres!~canaima@190.75.170.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola q tal
< 1422554996 482410 :yermanyTorres!~canaima@190.75.170.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-*
< 1422555028 475140 :yermanyTorres!~canaima@190.75.170.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-$
< 1422555030 376136 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome yermanyTorres 
< 1422555031 522871 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13yermanyTorres: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06<http://esolangs.org/>. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07irc.dal.net.)
< 1422555036 549886 :yermanyTorres!~canaima@190.75.170.132 PART :#esoteric
< 1422555049 117804 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah.
< 1422555058 256243 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:2133:248b:c056:6a23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1422555311 422719 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: gtg
< 1422555448 103526 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:f87a:9cd7:b97:89b6 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422555488 104386 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422556206 62158 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1422558120 147303 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://trixter.oldskool.org/2012/12/17/maze-generation-in-thirteen-bytes/
< 1422558606 102140 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:d551:39cd:26f1:2c16 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422558691 89357 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:f87a:9cd7:b97:89b6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1422559138 655292 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :scasb is such an awful rng.
< 1422559171 944019 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422559387 206798 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1422559899 809478 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-152-253.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1422560620 525206 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 NICK :MDude
< 1422560881 634106 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422561124 724914 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422561217 10542 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :god has homestuck still not ended
< 1422561248 357348 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, i thought you meant rng as in the algebra
< 1422561252 667279 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :was confused
< 1422561284 160662 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I might use "ring without unit" but never "rng".
< 1422561331 697788 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, not with that meaning. Obviously I'm comfortable with rng meaning "random number generator")
< 1422561396 658629 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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< 1422561398 198442 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422561398 342917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422561958 727585 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422562373 444173 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
< 1422562583 202081 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422562691 668266 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422562756 253654 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the fuck does anyone learn microsoft programming languages
< 1422562757 955469 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1422562772 938739 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid slow memory!
< 1422562822 985045 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1422562872 865578 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1422563042 695799 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1422563319 911292 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: through bing?
< 1422563719 175036 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the MVA videos basically all either expect you to know C# already, or to be barely familiar with the operation of a computer.
< 1422563804 810121 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quality books seem few and far between and are, of course, all expensive. 
< 1422563934 142949 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422563942 439113 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's basically no interactive stuff at all, which always makes me sad. 
< 1422563965 614638 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net NICK :Guest11614
< 1422563992 957386 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the whole programming environment interactive?
< 1422564217 505375 :arjanb!8259ab9c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.156 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1422564247 205472 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really in a helpful sense like I mean, no. 
< 1422564721 463865 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How useful do units of picohertz become in various circumstances?
< 1422564744 338629 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, zzo38
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< 1422565372 850159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you hate "Planeswalker Points"?
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< 1422566652 469013 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: I started by learning unity3d scripting tutorials, once I had the basics down, would find tutorials about c# oop and the like.
< 1422566690 801129 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew a bit of Java (really similar IMO) before which helped too
< 1422566946 36338 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sually like being able to step through stuff.
< 1422566981 513294 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since that's very useful for when I make some ridiculous typo that somehow didn't get caught.
< 1422567029 316677 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :skj3gg: I started with F# and loved it, but know fuck all about .NET, and most of the templates and guides sorta assume you know C# already.
< 1422567081 824592 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: I really think that, as a model, the Codecademy courses are a great way to learn programming, and I wish more would pick up on it.
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< 1422567552 856771 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it, but the actual courses are a bit oddly structured.
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< 1422567617 893359 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They really don't take advantage of the nature of unit testing to let a clever student code ahead with a program that achives the longer term goal as well at the immediate.
< 1422567631 418038 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*acheaves
< 1422567675 311827 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: That is one thing I liked about CodeWars and the various "koans", is the focus on tests. 
< 1422567726 623658 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breaking it up into smaller lessons is fine, the annoying part is when they tell you to make something structured exactly a certain way
< 1422567732 809891 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackerRank uses an external test framework that checks through stdio, so it gets a bit tedious with languages that they haven't written the boilerplate I/O routines for yet.
< 1422567749 926285 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's obvious they just want to replace all the code with new comments in the next lesson without you noticing how it actually works.
< 1422567844 424468 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: That was something a bit weird in some of them too, yes; like the exercises were compartmentalized to the point where stuff you wrote in one section didn't carry over at all to the next.
< 1422567860 701651 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, why would you teach like that? ._.
< 1422567885 890957 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I woulnd't, and if I made Codeacademy I'd make it differently.
< 1422567898 375312 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in the end, the Python guide only gave me the basics, it was going through building a proper application that taught me the rest (for one thing, the CA guide barely goes into OOP).
< 1422567909 730298 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem seems to be that lesson author want to be able to put in clarifying comments anywhere in the code, but there's no way to do that.
< 1422567916 38871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<spambot> Please enter the message for your recipients here. You are free to enter and edit your message just like you do it in your favorite text editor! This editor supports different fonts, tables, images and much more. Just replace this text with you own message and proceed to the mass mailing!
< 1422567926 876074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is confirming a few theories of mine
< 1422567944 977223 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I guess could be solved by having the text editor itself broken up into sctions somehow.
< 1422567950 776125 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, the basic idea of a programmed, interactive, all-in-browser, progress-tracked method like that is quite sound and I'm honestly surprised it's taken so long for someone to get back to it.
< 1422567974 15883 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's weird that a computer field still seems so married to dead tree when it comes to the learning routine ..
< 1422567975 758384 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other site is doing it?
< 1422567999 447329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from address (presumably forged) is an Australian bank
< 1422568011 342550 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: I found one called Programmr (that even has a C# course), and there's the Learn X sites (which are mostly rubbish), and CodeSchool.
< 1422568024 486090 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like that idea, yeah. I actully went over to a similar thing that focuses on graphical programs.
< 1422568032 192429 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really by my remark I meant that the last interactive learning tool like that I saw was for DOS, and before that, bloody PLATO.
< 1422568103 73659 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, here it is. http://www.crunchzilla.com/
< 1422568161 441136 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. 
< 1422568174 260900 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they don't want to digitize it because coding students would be the best at pirating expensive college-level books?
< 1422568577 132534 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, perhaps it's more than the interactive approach would more or less put a whole lot of programming teachers out of their jobs ...
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< 1422569163 802987 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best way is learn by the book I think.
< 1422569177 180787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or to do it by yourself.
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< 1422571329 739806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone told me that casting pointers to C standard library functions into void* type might not work on some computers but usually it would be OK? A SQLite extension I wrote does this.
< 1422571514 388878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On what computers does it fail?
< 1422571780 230449 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc some mainframe and/or itanium
< 1422571828 321524 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on if they were talking about the cast to void* or the pointer to library function though
< 1422571835 489366 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :some functions are allowed to be macros
< 1422571867 750356 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The functions I have done the cast with are the math.h functions.
< 1422571955 457732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as sin, cos, tan, log, exp, sqrt, and so on. SQLite saves them and lets the other function I defined to know the saved value, which is then cast back into the proper type in order to be called, and passes it the parameters given in the SQL code and returns the result to the SQL code.
< 1422572058 880023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are any of those allowed to be macros?
< 1422572073 717118 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore would they cause any other problems used in this way?
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< 1422572296 342480 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Programmr is shit.
< 1422572296 521262 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the math stuff seem to be allowed to be macros, but also required to exist as functions
< 1422572349 67324 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case that part isn't a problem at least.
< 1422572360 496307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works on my computer anyways.
< 1422572406 396963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the reason they are required to exist as functions?
< 1422572524 768084 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like it might be a common thing to do when writing extensions for various programming systems.
< 1422572639 144387 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, but I suspect it's for compatability with things like declaring the function manually without including the header
< 1422572725 20255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, although that doesn't really seem like something that should normally be done
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< 1422574252 59740 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfork14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41774 5* 0372.200.146.118 5* (+28) 10Added fork bomb description.
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< 1422577308 373858 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo went to a Haskell meet today
< 1422577432 313781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does Woo feel about that?
< 1422577436 749548 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: boo
< 1422577436 920557 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i just wrote :p ( what was i thinking of something. at the fnord door when clouds of the sky, sadly.)) the one that's not conspicuous if they're ah laughter. she heard, oh, hear, or speak
< 1422577557 357503 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, a friend and I organzed a meetup (mostly him)
< 1422578009 616190 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice.
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< 1422580099 946425 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Al Dente14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41775 5* 0398.243.16.185 5* (+3503) 10Initial draft
< 1422580165 645184 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, HackEgo.
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< 1422580335 35621 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, how do I use this language.
< 1422580362 715934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of language did you mean?
< 1422580368 88193 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Al Dente.
< 1422580377 337793 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the definition of a natural number:
< 1422580397 568401 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nat { zero; succ; Nat tail; zero excludes succ; tail.zero or tail.succ requires succ; }
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< 1422581700 214100 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Al Dente examples14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41776 5* 0398.243.16.185 5* (+1661) 10Just a couple of examples
< 1422581749 235802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you unify requires and excludes by adding not
< 1422581757 323813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that too powerful
< 1422581843 297178 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you'd be able to say "a matches not a" and the universe would explode.
< 1422581900 8706 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's currently impossible to disallow the state where no events have fired. Which is desirable, because that's the starting state.
< 1422581953 958568 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, you could say that "not" is allowed only immediately after the word "excludes". But, of course, that would just be renaming "excludes" to "requires not".
< 1422582051 323562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right okay
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< 1422582061 602040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a excludes b; b excludes a invalid
< 1422582099 231523 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but you're just saying the same thing twice.
< 1422582113 98878 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could say "a excludes b; a matches b".
< 1422582150 100102 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then neither a nor b could ever fire.
< 1422582165 339283 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could shortcut and say "a excludes a".
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< 1422582212 140736 :tswett2!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you say "a requires b; b requires a", that's just a synonym of "a matches b".
< 1422582329 806241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right.
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< 1422587507 859863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a VCR/DVD combo including counter reset for VCR, but why doesn't it include a zero-return function? If it does have, I cannot seem to find them, at least.
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< 1422593093 214642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rng rng rng rng rng rng rng, bananaphn
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< 1422594689 50359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <ais523> <spambot> Please enter the message for your recipients here. You are free to enter and edit your message just like you do it in your favorite text editor! This editor supports different fonts, tables, images and much more. Just replace this text with you own message and proceed to the mass mailing!  <ais523> this is confirming a few theories of mine
< 1422594692 907176 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1231) <ais523> <spambot> Please enter the message for your recipients here. You are free to enter and edit your message just like you do it in your favorite text editor! This editor supports different fonts, tables, images and much more. Just replace this text with you own message and proceed to the mass mailing!  <ais523> this is confirming a few 
< 1422594698 524219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1422594706 776300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1231
< 1422594707 748096 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1231) <ais523> <spambot> Please enter the message for your recipients here. You are free to enter and edit your message just like you do it in your favorite text editor! This editor supports different fonts, tables, images and much more. Just replace this text with you own message and proceed to the mass mailing!  <ais523> this is confirming a few 
< 1422594713 37589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1422594717 821445 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
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< 1422595266 244170 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekAfk
< 1422595271 572534 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is seriously considering buying an Oculus DK2
< 1422596447 520278 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 NICK :MDream
< 1422596526 80836 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422596597 967245 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd TOPIC #esoteric :Toilet is clogged again | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1422596647 477761 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, I was making a data compilition table that self modifies itself when ever it gets a new input
< 1422596674 72775 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they have a BASIC programmer on the nintendo store now
< 1422596687 117185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Try a bucket of hot water hth | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1422596690 289906 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :So like if you like that there basic
< 1422596702 886349 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello oerjan 
< 1422596707 339854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heolus
< 1422596712 313621 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1422596720 75250 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422596767 991770 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking through logs by clicking is very time consuming
< 1422596797 162346 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some way I can just list it all at once
< 1422596829 844398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be a way to download them
< 1422596899 156753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's old you might try googling it
< 1422596913 43003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have read that it isn't really quite BASIC but is rather something a bit similar.
< 1422596923 467298 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a new kind of BASIC programming language.
< 1422596928 496210 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye 
< 1422596935 155798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram BASIC
< 1422596951 536326 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it?
< 1422596956 33551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the BASIC for Nintendo 3DS is Smile BASIC
< 1422596957 490045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a joke
< 1422596960 544795 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been testing out
< 1422596963 648240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't Wolfram
< 1422596966 646637 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pats oerjan
< 1422596980 597428 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a semi-pun
< 1422596981 129397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bites the hand that pats him
< 1422597000 58223 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1422597034 806828 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:<
< 1422597151 841067 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sweet.
< 1422597160 670016 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye?
< 1422597163 56630 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1422597168 527028 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BASIC for 3DS.
< 1422597178 444846 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a level editor for WiiU.
< 1422597184 494918 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or one coming out.
< 1422597223 234501 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah
< 1422597241 146153 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I was doing its very Smoothe in my opinion.
< 1422597241 307057 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno how extensive it'll let you design stuff, but based on that and SMile BASIC I guess WarioWare DIY didn't actually sell as poorly as I thought.
< 1422597266 567203 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make animations and games and such
< 1422597280 402831 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Save porting from PC I think
< 1422597298 656280 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what the info said when I bought ot
< 1422597308 973330 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :it*
< 1422597311 44720 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 3DS game?
< 1422597341 64995 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there even a way to directly connect a 3DS to a home comptuer?
< 1422597347 796345 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nop
< 1422597358 529418 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried swapping out the SD card, but my comptuer wasn't finding the pictured on it.
< 1422597359 740939 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use QR codes
< 1422597364 276368 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to use a bullshit connector 
< 1422597369 621613 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :And qr codes
< 1422597377 92576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Smile BASIC anyways, you can transfer to/from other computer using QR codes.
< 1422597377 237108 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's alreay wifi right there.
< 1422597403 74530 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :god qr codes are so hard for me to line up
< 1422597410 224484 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how do I read a WR code from a desktop?
< 1422597420 140035 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*QR
< 1422597432 653246 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just scan it in
< 1422597438 917313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use a webcam or scanner
< 1422597445 943564 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye
< 1422597471 454772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are programs that can read barcodes in this way, not only QR code but also Codabar and other formats
< 1422597473 369621 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would inquire further if I was not getting super tired.
< 1422597490 325150 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, though.
< 1422597502 577902 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :drink coffee
< 1422597504 720467 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :or meth
< 1422597515 282507 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eugh, coffe?
< 1422597516 205629 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :either one is Almost socially Ok
< 1422597535 437433 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pepto bismal cake
< 1422597535 810344 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll stick to having chocolate like a small child.
< 1422597548 689616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for once, darths and droids _didn't_ subvert the comic readers' expectations.  except those who assumed it would.  which sort of included me.
< 1422597550 409143 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cherry peptobismal cake 
< 1422597564 197083 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gonna make that
< 1422597569 441822 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :And give it to someone
< 1422597585 108728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :meta-subversion
< 1422598541 654319 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, oerjan what do you do for a living
< 1422598562 391528 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of my questions are copyrighTed btw 
< 1422598568 547217 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :©_©
< 1422599539 305321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the article, Hall pointed out that because he had control over the way the game progressed, playing on the psychology of the contestant, the theoretical solution did not apply to the show's actual gameplay." <-- I KNEW IT
< 1422599557 970290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was obvious)
< 1422599573 75459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eolus: disability pension hth
< 1422600122 258718 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you know about that?!
< 1422600127 96068 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :/o/
< 1422600148 23417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um the monty hall problem is old
< 1422600152 679198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so am i
< 1422600160 568018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore i know about it QED
< 1422600222 992470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i looked up monty hall because of the new comic on mezzacotta http://www.mezzacotta.net/pomh/about.php
< 1422600264 315898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik this is the first comic on mezzacotta whic david morgan-mar explicitly _isn't_ an author of...
< 1422600280 931578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*which
< 1422600286 971319 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does qed mean
< 1422600297 671558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quod erat demonstrandum hth
< 1422600308 74860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's math talk hth
< 1422600323 429305 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you day disability person hth
< 1422600327 539321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it means the proof is complete)
< 1422600337 395503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1422600346 718577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your sentence is no grammar twh
< 1422600355 570631 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :1:32:53 AM <oerjan> Eolus: disability pension hth
< 1422600363 942974 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1422600370 614521 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you say that
< 1422600372 857332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you asked me what i did for a living.
< 1422600379 914718 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you do
< 1422600391 619173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...don't you know the meaning of any words
< 1422600404 474904 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan
< 1422600409 52088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer, obviously, is "nothing".
< 1422600420 732819 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so sorry for you
< 1422600448 5096 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you get by?
< 1422600463 831567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"disability pension" :p
< 1422600479 589834 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1422600483 650584 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm dyslexic
< 1422600490 514127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1422600493 586142 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought it said person
< 1422600495 8304 :TieSleep!56597793@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul
< 1422600499 326268 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you yell at me!
< 1422600510 982341 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sprays oerjan*
< 1422600516 498019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry about my yelling until i say O KAY
< 1422600522 551366 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422600524 23685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(including space)
< 1422600525 611722 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1422600537 711812 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it in caps
< 1422600554 634982 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get a disability pension for being old?
< 1422600555 700706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because tradition
< 1422600563 362684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, for being ill hth
< 1422600565 286138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because disabled
< 1422600571 59128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1422600571 655619 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you apply for said pension
< 1422600588 234359 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm disabled Elliott and you know it
< 1422600598 259878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fill out a form, and get a doctor to send a recommendation.
< 1422600603 47187 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1422600609 788572 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :What type of doctor
< 1422600620 466958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eolus: you probably don't live in norway like oerjan, though :P
< 1422600622 528547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how it works in norway, don't know about where you are.
< 1422600625 122355 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck
< 1422600627 645356 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot
< 1422600634 26329 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :America is crap
< 1422600652 450283 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :and disabled people are swept under the rug of poverty
< 1422600723 311366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1422600731 303242 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :how ill are you oerjan
< 1422600734 820418 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminal?!
< 1422600753 12788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubtful
< 1422600756 531247 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1422600770 361552 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arthritic and going blind
< 1422600777 955423 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds bout' right
< 1422600793 486073 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1422600798 357399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i'm arthritic, although i am worrying about my eyes
< 1422600806 715982 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat carrots
< 1422600823 362074 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lazor eye surgery
< 1422600842 877829 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :your cornea and iris are probably all old and dirty
< 1422600846 635533 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :from being old
< 1422600854 829926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not _that_ old.
< 1422600867 336807 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :correction
< 1422600878 96471 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :you aren't _that_ young.
< 1422600893 505754 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you quote with _
< 1422600904 25301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, you are mostly way off track on your guesses.
< 1422600910 608118 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :._________________________.
< 1422600913 443298 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Face
< 1422600921 591592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eolus: it's traditional italics replacement on irc.
< 1422600926 740448 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1422600933 124999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my client even underlines it
< 1422600954 933634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and *bolds this*
< 1422600955 245607 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't remember your age oerjan, Lilax does tho
< 1422600971 282298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :..don't even try.
< 1422600981 921161 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try?
< 1422601000 4736 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slams hands onto the table
< 1422601016 793644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a complete idiot who can be convinced of _anything_ silly.
< 1422601026 313949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just a lot of them)
< 1422601053 682697 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Listen here buddy! If someone calls me by another alters name I'm gonna flip shit
< 1422601077 82858 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
< 1422601182 926285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your personality is too distinct to fool us i'm afraid.
< 1422601220 325110 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :No me and eolus are very similiar 
< 1422601229 552685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can believe that.
< 1422601233 653231 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just restraining myself 
< 1422601245 916414 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cuz I'm actually am a very terrible person
< 1422601256 613150 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.79.209 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1422601257 969893 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd NICK :Quin
< 1422601288 397626 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.79.209 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422601299 420884 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :so oe is just a thing for ø or œ?
< 1422601305 185827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ø
< 1422601315 570594 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :ø_ø
< 1422601413 521267 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see, Lilax and Dulnes told me to be on my best behaviour here since they said you guys are very persnickety about things and manners
< 1422601415 239138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my unixy username and at least back when i first got it only ascii was supported.
< 1422601428 317530 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice name
< 1422601536 827749 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very Unique
< 1422601548 9401 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :verrrrryyyyyy
< 1422601607 781281 :TieSoul!56597793@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSchool
< 1422601622 746920 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"œ" hehehe
< 1422601629 392964 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not even a real letter. it's French.
< 1422601640 489051 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :K
< 1422601640 918951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the œ ligature is used on english sometimes
< 1422601645 657937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in english
< 1422601649 462378 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I know
< 1422601655 75426 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you pronounce it
< 1422601660 131570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :onomatopœia
< 1422601663 804965 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1422601667 191143 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's a funnier one
< 1422601711 223116 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that would bE?
< 1422601719 629481 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pharmacopœia
< 1422601731 241950 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I hope I spelled that right)
< 1422601735 225806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard that word even without the oe
< 1422601760 773258 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :cornacopœia
< 1422601805 369964 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :normal people either don't use that word, and write it as pharmacopoeia if they must. but some books like crazy words like this
< 1422601811 301568 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use the fancy spelling just to show they can.
< 1422601842 299731 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :all my teachers hate me when I front
< 1422601854 145451 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write all my essays in .2 wingdings
< 1422601884 556684 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm wingdings sounds like a good food object
< 1422601998 213152 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: is your grandma a necromancer?
< 1422602029 943967 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quin: hmm… that would explain some things. but no, I don't think so
< 1422602041 473361 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if she is, she keeps it very secret.
< 1422602052 68604 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :In her book of skin
< 1422602209 448515 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball is your grandma a necromancer?
< 1422602210 30502 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reply hazy try again.
< 1422602219 160751 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got really angry for no reason lol
< 1422602232 352582 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quin: that means she's cast a spell to shield herself from divination
< 1422602240 662123 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm calm now but I think I'm bleeding.
< 1422602256 495745 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait maybe HackEgo isn't powerful enough
< 1422602300 573882 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's more likely
< 1422602325 848543 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, what's your spell level?
< 1422602327 221045 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:cd03:4bd7:9d91:e594 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422602336 125863 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what's HackEgo's spell level?
< 1422602336 270210 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that is just a value of type " airbus is a big fan of avril....but this song " there could be this consensus, for " 3" does not mean radio or remote and snowy rim, like the serrated edge, and it is eta. f
< 1422602338 271532 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe she's getting help from oerjan who's actually a dark wizars
< 1422602359 660289 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wizrobe
< 1422602369 14427 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quin: no way. dark wizards can't be haskellers, can they?
< 1422602381 620532 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have the powers
< 1422602416 685091 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its obvious he's been using the oculous to divinate haskell processes
< 1422602751 761525 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1422603038 292771 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422603076 356111 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what do we talk about
< 1422603124 182523 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd TOPIC #esoteric :Coding and stuff y'know esoteric Ya| https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1422603215 393462 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball is oerjan a dark wizard
< 1422603215 537780 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422603229 504191 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fkn knew it!
< 1422603275 786152 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball fungot's 8-ball doesn't work properly, right?
< 1422603275 930543 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: and, dab, words like pop-culture should i have fizzie do for you? thanks! it's about the missing queen. she still looks so much like leene, that they will take you to your place of execution?! strange, but!?
< 1422603276 306540 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concentrate and ask again.
< 1422603296 749577 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: white or black queen?
< 1422603296 932216 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's what that guy in medina, a village near the mystic mountain" 65,000,000 b. c.? yes, i'd have done something very brave? fnord 06:22, 29, no. 2, 2, 3, 4, 8, 13, 1(::**) ...bad insn!
< 1422603309 383734 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball is b_jonas's grandmother a necromancer that is co consipirator of the pancake factory that oerjan runs
< 1422603309 668869 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1422603312 140632 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1422603325 901676 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I knew she wasn't
< 1422603331 142109 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have just asked me
< 1422603337 784948 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ya
< 1422603341 770325 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what now
< 1422603343 764354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pancake factory isn't much of a conspiracy, is it?
< 1422603352 954678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean. it's jsut pancakes
< 1422603355 749053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just
< 1422603359 608942 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :if its run by dark wizards
< 1422603363 946808 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who know haskell
< 1422603378 345695 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh OH I know
< 1422603384 328243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knows haskell
< 1422603387 528801 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they use banana-filled pancakes, and the pancakes are the lenses?
< 1422603413 299718 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, the pancakes are the envelopes, right
< 1422603418 559791 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the lenses?
< 1422603427 659695 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :take your favorite programming langauge now imagine their flavour
< 1422603481 343023 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :chicken
< 1422603497 119285 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language
< 1422603503 951272 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :no like 
< 1422603515 611594 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python tastes like watermelons
< 1422603684 696468 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :This went terribly, No one ever talks in here -///+
< 1422603817 198325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION resists the temptation to say that haskell tastes like burritos
< 1422603970 129115 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold out your hands for a present
< 1422604045 331529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared.
< 1422604344 75885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :blood pancakes exist.  you have been warned.
< 1422604504 876479 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422604507 980905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously that's also what malbolge tastes like.
< 1422604604 425351 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:cd03:4bd7:9d91:e594 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif
< 1422604702 900618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck derivatives taste like artificial vanila & sugar
< 1422604744 681138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what does brainfuck itself taste like, then?
< 1422604760 903138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :genuine vanilla waffles
< 1422604814 398253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with strawberry jam
< 1422605017 430285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :C tastes like turkey without stuffing.
< 1422605037 984719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ tastes like a whole roasted camel filled with a roaste turkey filled with a duck.
< 1422605043 153560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+d
< 1422605069 566229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can never eat it all.
< 1422605249 881799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does syntactic sugar fit in
< 1422605308 238983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually the ketchup hth
< 1422605582 166105 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1422605796 296544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1422605797 739556 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422605820 372838 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :C tastes like chicken with no spices, C++ tastes like chicken spiced deliciously
< 1422605832 920236 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have the same underlying meat, but C++ is prepared much better
< 1422605881 265179 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you compile with the MSVC compiler, when they actually have almost no meat and made of canned soy beans)
< 1422605964 577553 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1422606132 892010 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feghuakqerhxhrkd PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys are goin at it
< 1422606186 128232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lambda calculus tastes like a pure nutrition cube with a slightly unpalatable flavour?
< 1422606207 556818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's why they call it the lambda cube
< 1422606254 771488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bouillon cube, me thinks
< 1422606265 71019 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1422606267 352885 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, lambda calculus tastes like butter
< 1422606280 854042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think b_jonas is being contrary
< 1422606297 377122 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure fat, very powerful but harder to use directly than carbohydrates, and you don't want to eat it alone
< 1422606304 370288 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's great as flavoring
< 1422606308 544489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or cooking
< 1422606314 625717 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422606375 85775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, haskell tastes like bacon hth
< 1422606395 814898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's the report version
< 1422606407 112204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :god knows what extra is in ghc
< 1422606446 628778 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible
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< 1422625466 296535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, I submitted my thesis
< 1422625470 301068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now I have more free time
< 1422625492 390633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll link it here once a final version comes out (this is just the initial version, there'll be back-and-forth with examiners and so on before then)
< 1422625501 281602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it shouldn't be online before then because it might confuse the plagiarism checker
< 1422625609 891282 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!time mroman
< 1422625615 736955 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1422625615 881705 :zemhill_!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I do !zjoust; see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for more information.
< 1422625616 114271 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help <command>.
< 1422625625 678565 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time mroman
< 1422625629 222026 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for mroman is Fri Jan 30 14:47:05 2015
< 1422625652 489786 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07KlingonCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41777&oldid=41773 5* 03TomPN 5* (+401) 10/* Syntax */
< 1422625872 659251 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:TomPN14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41778&oldid=41422 5* 03TomPN 5* (+341) 10
< 1422626132 920539 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, congrats on thesis
< 1422626191 994184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1422626372 528559 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 made a thesis?
< 1422626386 70005 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link?
< 1422626458 232820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: not online yet
< 1422626474 117828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't be until it actually gets accepted, which will be months even if the examiners want no revisions
< 1422626477 393616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they almost always want revisions
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< 1422626942 956267 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/doc.pdf
< 1422626945 491430 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bachelor thesis
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< 1422627178 865048 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I can't read more than the abstract, but fromw what I can understand it looks interesting. The graphs intrigue me. Nice work and congrats on this milestone in ypur education
< 1422627274 932009 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 NICK :MDude
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< 1422627534 599518 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :paul2520: It essentially just proves that you can divide a map into zones and simulate them in parallel and reduce the simulation time despite the overhead of every zone having to communicate with surrounding zones
< 1422627544 118940 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't that surprising :)
< 1422627568 667493 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but by using an actor modell you can distribute zones in the network of computers
< 1422627604 526237 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1422627607 942911 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because some zones might be more crowded than others so it makes sense to distribute the responsibilites for simulating zones depending on each individual node's load
< 1422627646 650831 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you should switch algorithms when crowds get more dense
< 1422627681 259373 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you should cache routes
< 1422627692 390248 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because path finding in a graph with thousands of edges is really not very fast
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< 1422627807 558189 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.01 * 50000
< 1422627809 145150 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 500.0
< 1422627824 79196 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if your pathfinding is fast
< 1422627854 798301 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have 50k persons and each pathfinding for a person takes 0.01s you're going to have a fucking slow simulation
< 1422627874 462663 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then just path finding alone would take 500s for a single step
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< 1422627956 453223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, wit. dwarf fortress
< 1422627975 294281 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ?
< 1422627986 960852 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though a shocking amount of DF's CPU load comes from the horrendously-optimised temperature simulation)
< 1422628038 907904 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, DF is slow because a) it does pathfinding for hundreds of entities at once, b) on a single core
< 1422628081 531319 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :We distributed path finding to cores
< 1422628085 984296 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still
< 1422628094 802737 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wouldn't help for 50k :)
< 1422628113 258637 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still too slow for near-real time
< 1422628423 654263 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1000000 / 10
< 1422628425 120473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 100000.0
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< 1422629989 624698 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: that's great!
< 1422629996 391963 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for explaining further
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< 1422630473 551937 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :|= doesn't make any sense
< 1422630572 959112 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come we use the same stupid operator to mean "assignment of symbols makes set of expressions true" and "expressions can be derived from expressions"
< 1422630621 181411 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why the hell is it "entails" in my course but "\models" in TeX?
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< 1422631196 230432 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: |- is used for the latter, no? or am I misunderstanding something
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< 1422631394 194044 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I have seen that operator, but not in this course. /Apparently/, A |= B where A and B are formulas, means that forall interpretations I, (I |= A) => (I |= B)
< 1422631451 705732 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A |= B is like (A = A | B) except that the expression A is evaluated only once
< 1422631465 367052 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy enough
< 1422631481 326573 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: ah, ok. That is then slightly different from |-
< 1422631501 675623 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :|- means "proves", which is not necessarily the same, because it's constrained by the axioms of proof in the logic system you have
< 1422631538 382342 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the logic is complete (propositional logic is!), then they coincide
< 1422631553 953725 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: also I don't find that too misleading
< 1422631556 371294 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. I still think it is half-assed for the same operator to mean different things based on type of operands
< 1422631564 47682 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: how about +
< 1422631570 995515 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or \cdot
< 1422631574 518928 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or \times
< 1422631595 175775 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this stuff happens all the time; live with it!
< 1422631596 627045 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I don't see how those are examples.  
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< 1422631660 290987 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: + means, variously, a group operation, ring addition, or any number of special cases of those
< 1422631672 294919 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1422631689 889565 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\cdot can mean a group operation, ring multiplication, or in certain cases a non-associative product (e.g. octonions)
< 1422631692 937320 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: true, but not within the same language
< 1422631711 323033 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\times can mean both Cartesian product and cross product, and I've seen those two used close together
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< 1422631765 775151 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: and these two meanings aren't that fundamentally different
< 1422631794 75976 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're still saying "thing on left satisfies thing on right", except when it's a set of formulas, it's being used as a shorthand for "all things entailing this"
< 1422631806 643348 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of akin to f(S) for a function f and set S
< 1422631818 878213 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :to mean { f(s) : s \in S }
< 1422631838 984058 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: people do that!?!?? what is the world coming to
< 1422631862 970180 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: it's a convenient shorthand and rarely ambiguous
< 1422631963 148026 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure, but what happens when S is a set of sets?
< 1422631976 734224 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and f is a function from sets to sets
< 1422631992 926869 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you don't use that notation
< 1422632033 637875 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you either right the specification out directly, or invent some other notation like \mathcal P(f)(S), which is *also* an abuse of notation, but again not very ambiguous
< 1422632052 619800 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or f^{\mathcal P}(S) or something
< 1422632054 775121 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno.
< 1422632066 638247 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point of notation is usually to be clear, not to be excessively precise
< 1422632072 428066 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus, all math papers have to have a lot of english text explaining what the hell this particular mathematician means
< 1422632072 969691 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you need excessive precision, you can use it
< 1422632098 359137 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are too many different concepts in mathematics to invent a different notation for each of them
< 1422632111 833995 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making an effort not to overload relation operators (like \le) in my thesis, and it's a pain and a half
< 1422632138 590312 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I'm talking about a *lot* of relations, the result is that I have lots of fun ones
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< 1422632906 805087 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be easier if math syntax allowed multi-letter names. But noooo... someone had to use the null operator for multiplication....
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< 1422633428 115059 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :multi-letter names are common when you're not working with numerical algebra
< 1422633434 914670 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember using russian letters, and then katakana, on a long proof.
< 1422633463 42312 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1422633471 936448 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've used up a-z all russian letters?
< 1422633500 753442 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: all the ones that don't look too much like roman or greek letters
< 1422633543 143603 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was able to shorten the proof a ton once I finished it
< 1422633544 135624 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :<coppro> oren: + means, variously, a group operation, ring addition, or any number of special cases of those
< 1422633567 556970 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a great example, since it's an abelian group operation in both cases
< 1422633604 809627 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ is pretty regular, the only hangup is that it's sometimes restricted to domains on which it's not invertible
< 1422633626 16373 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: A friend of mine used zhe in an exam once when he ran out of Latin and Greek letters
< 1422633629 565943 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good example is that damn \supset operator which is being so grievously abused in my textbook
< 1422633646 160166 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :subset is a clusterfuck
< 1422633659 298185 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :live with it and use unambiguous variations
< 1422633681 267795 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently now superset means implies
< 1422633709 114576 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst notation i saw in a book was a book of topology that used ]a,b[ to indicate an open interval
< 1422633718 837335 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT.
< 1422633726 302983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also defined everything with a commutative diagram and a universal property
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< 1422633743 259573 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was meant to be an introductory text, and it defined product and quotient that way
< 1422633781 352654 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww
< 1422633846 598793 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully i eventually found a phd student with a spare copy of hatcher
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< 1422633873 192262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, interestingly i'd seen it before at school when they were mentioning different notations
< 1422633892 951261 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with a distinct air of 'if you find someone stupid enough to actually do this, run'
< 1422634009 628807 :TieSchool!56597793@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul
< 1422634083 848289 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen \sqsupset used for implication but that makes sense when using implication as a definition of refinement
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< 1422635459 226332 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't look at sqsupset without thinking 'ko'.
< 1422635485 189662 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: now I'll never be able to either
< 1422635489 506100 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also thanks for teaching me a katakana
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< 1422637050 82686 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: have you tried different font-sizes
< 1422637051 398161 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1422637058 781245 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a with 12pt is another variable than a with 15pt
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< 1422637064 476170 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :tha oughta show them.
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< 1422637428 528486 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :\sqsupset is fun because people can't agree on whether it means refinement or abstraction.
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< 1422642155 878712 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:My Unreliable Past14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41779&oldid=41061 5* 03168.99.197.15 5* (+348) 10/* Fix for Hello World? */ new section
< 1422642739 258675 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: My Unreliable Past sounds interesting. on this and a number of pages at esolangs.org, there isn't information about downloading interpreters/compilers. Is this intentional?
< 1422642872 938430 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1422642986 343823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some cases no interpreters/compilers currently exist.
< 1422643011 351155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You are free to write one if you want to.)
< 1422643027 385999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some other cases, writing a interpreter/compiler is impossible.
< 1422643964 19464 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's fun, though. that you can have written a language, but not necessarily gone through all the steps of writing an interpreter
< 1422643977 669236 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to that end, I've written a language or two...
< 1422644014 113228 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written an interpreter without having a langugae
< 1422644043 337297 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written languages then other people have written interpreters then I've gone back and written my own interpreter
< 1422644071 685569 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interpreter has everything except a parser.
< 1422644325 39016 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine a parse tree structure where each node is of the form (f,N) where f is a function mapping a list of nodes to a single node
< 1422644335 956012 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and N is a list of nodes.
< 1422644388 754334 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the interpreter can be written without reference to um, anything
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< 1422645203 179540 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: neat
< 1422645264 851272 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1422645507 636856 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1422645537 135049 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it would be easier towrite programs with an editor that worked directly on parse trees
< 1422645565 95800 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could be cool.
< 1422645591 359832 :arjanb!8259ab4e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.78 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422645811 262779 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now we have auto bracket matching, auto-correction and tab-completion, and various even fancier IDE features. For a language like lisp, it shouldn't be that hard to parse it into a tree upon loading the IDE, use certain keys for manipulating the tree, and then deparse it into a file upon saving.
< 1422645840 692219 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a word for deparsing?
< 1422645894 403314 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In thise case I'd use "serializing".
< 1422645947 745767 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. we serialize the parse tree into the unnatural flat form that for hysterical reasons we usually edit directly
< 1422646388 374207 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.92.34 PART #esoteric :"Leave channel"
< 1422646420 666349 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1422647828 588585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a name for that.
< 1422647847 505492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Structural editing or some-such.
< 1422647881 907262 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~nwatson/pa70/
< 1422647884 7648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_editor
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< 1422648671 524372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: congratulations!!!
< 1422648712 432293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: congratulations!!!!
< 1422648752 139844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah the whole world is extra noisy today
< 1422648999 274482 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks through logs
< 1422649021 430559 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you finished your thesis. omodetou
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< 1422649259 702232 :pallokolmio!vosalo@linux.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: congratulations!!!
< 1422649315 910365 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1422649318 540874 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, great
< 1422649879 163625 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if we aren't going to serialize it into a readable form, and instead only edit an abstract structure using an esoteric editor, then there's no reason a language's structure has to be embeddable in 2 dimensions.
< 1422650138 133620 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: well, I prefer plain text as code because then I can use whatever editor I prefer for writing and whatever text viewer I prefer for reading
< 1422650174 421397 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and plain text is exactly what C++ and most other languages do these days, unlike the crazy old languages like basic or smalltalk that come with a fixed ide
< 1422650188 177728 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, these days those have plain text variants too)
< 1422650228 51012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also ColorForth
< 1422650254 500746 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes I also like plain text as code because then you use whatever editor you want, program to view, or to print out on a paper, etc
< 1422650276 786640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can use it with filters and other programs, such as AWK
< 1422650308 829225 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well the code would be saved as text.
< 1422650324 11558 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1422650325 851788 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ColorForth too
< 1422650343 132632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GWBASIC did not save the program as text unless you specifically told it to do so, however.
< 1422650405 482279 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, back in the basic and APL days the way the ide worked was that you ran line commands from the screen buffer (seriously), or you could give simple commands to change a line of the stored program or to load a line to the screen buffer
< 1422650412 746690 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit different
< 1422650424 866606 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know that I worked with GWBASIC and that stuff.
< 1422650435 953976 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those languages (basic and APL) would then get adapted to proper unixy plain text file based variants, just like smalltalk
< 1422650473 667996 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1422650474 686718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forth also allows executing commands directly from the screen buffer. While you can define subroutines in this way too, usually you should use a block editor for this purpose instead.
< 1422650496 993352 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides GWBASIC, the Commodore 64 basic also works like that, as well as some other home computers from that era
< 1422650515 353271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but not all home computer basics)
< 1422650526 339106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know possibly most do
< 1422650561 83531 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1422650645 904187 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But code inherently has a lot of structure. Is there any particular reason why that structure should be easily serializable to a one-dimensional stream of characters?
< 1422650695 725498 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly to make it portable.
< 1422650764 538113 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: one-dimensional stream turned out to be versatile enough for it. most languages use identifiers made from sequence of letters such that identical identifiers may refer to the same node, and that way you can have any graph-like structure.
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< 1422650807 643919 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: the text editors let you search for occurrances of those identifiers, that way you can traverse the graph structure.
< 1422650905 746575 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this basic idea is very old, it's present in fortran and maybe even in assemblers)
< 1422650925 731055 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it used to be called "symbols" instead of identifiers)
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< 1422652120 240634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes when I get these highly specific spams (cf. http://sprunge.us/BZTF for example) I have to wonder if they actually get any takers.
< 1422652148 962687 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422652171 585149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was at least one selling something related to concrete, and someone producing some nylon wire thing.
< 1422652315 239640 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how do you even tell thats spam?
< 1422652336 685451 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422652395 480048 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i mean, that custom synthesis service sounds pretty nice.
< 1422652464 648562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1422652572 296033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. spam, junk e-mail -- (unwanted e-mail (usually of a commercial nature sent out in bulk))
< 1422652573 477228 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1422652579 931722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't want it, so it's spam.
< 1422652617 948739 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also of commercial nature, and I think it's pretty likely it was sent out in bulk, though I guess it's possible they targeted me specifically.
< 1422652666 283495 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i guess, but did you at least update you their stock?
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< 1422653552 527359 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have personally ordered stuff from Chinese companies like that. I paid $100 They sent it to me with a label saying it was a gift worth $5. 
< 1422653624 126479 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most recent thing I ordered was a movie-playing glasses thing
< 1422653679 63200 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you order their chemicals, they will probably label it as a soft drink
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< 1422654093 95239 :dtscode!~dtscode@dtscode.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey int-e you wrote lambdabot right?
< 1422654132 639360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think int-e is online at the moment
< 1422654144 667903 :dtscode!~dtscode@dtscode.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1422654149 115527 :dtscode!~dtscode@dtscode.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :@source
< 1422654149 535356 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1422654155 665770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he didn't write it, he is the current maintainer though.  it's more than a decade old.
< 1422654176 572677 :dtscode!~dtscode@dtscode.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a place to get the source?
< 1422654179 981807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :github
< 1422654193 522205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help
< 1422654194 33891 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :help <command>. Ask for help for <command>. Try 'list' for all commands
< 1422654203 81784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where lambdabot 
< 1422654203 540602 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Lambdabot
< 1422654218 245680 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, cute.
< 1422654239 631213 :dtscode!~dtscode@dtscode.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah thank you
< 1422654303 649051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: is http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/ (linked from the wiki) even current?
< 1422654319 134423 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, of course not.
< 1422654322 982476 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@version
< 1422654323 439994 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot 5.0-int-e
< 1422654323 597595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :git clone git://github.com/int-e/lambdabot.git
< 1422654353 231280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the wiki weren't in a state of movement i would edit that
< 1422654355 780125 :dtscode!~dtscode@dtscode.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it easy to build?
< 1422654370 880554 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not going to answer your #9858 comment on the ticket, but you're right. I consciously modelled my code after goldfire's idea of tracking kind arguments explicitely, while limiting myself to code that ghc would accept right now.
< 1422654430 664975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i was going to ask you, _is_ there a way to make classes and/or type families take kind-only arguments yet?  it would clean it up a lot.
< 1422654444 726919 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dtscode: hmm, not exactly. The basic recipe is  cabal sandbox init; cabal install lambdabot*/  but you'll run into a few known dependency issues that I'll fix when ghc-7.10 is released.
< 1422654470 729105 :dtscode!~dtscode@dtscode.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok. i might just add the @tell feature into my bot then
< 1422654482 408841 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think so, but I'm not the right person to ask. In my attempts I got "non-promotable foo" errors.
< 1422654489 277794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1422654522 837689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect there would be trouble with -> for types and kinds not being the same thing
< 1422654547 493868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also that it might not support using the same variable in a type and kind position at all
< 1422654566 153877 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ask goldfire.
< 1422654581 618956 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he's on #ghc
< 1422654691 249424 :dtscode!~dtscode@dtscode.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :did my message tgo through before my laptop shut off?
< 1422654727 99462 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dtscode: ...
< 1422654735 318219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<dtscode> ah ok. i might just add the @tell feature into my bot then <-- your last message
< 1422654785 757115 :dtscode!~dtscode@dtscode.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1422654787 151277 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, I usually check the logs to answer such questions.
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< 1422655096 305424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was imagining if kinds and types were more alike, we'd just have  instance Typeable k => Typeable (Proxy :: k -> *) where ...
< 1422655159 375114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC really needs to just become a PTS or something
< 1422655172 485071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a PTS
< 1422655223 813889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: richard eisenberg (goldfire) is working on something like that
< 1422655234 488839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pure type system
< 1422655242 210110 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1422655256 753069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with pi types, not sure if that's the same kind, but it's something dependent, anyway
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< 1422655307 799018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pure type systems sorta unify types/kinds/etc.
< 1422655350 189602 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1422655352 603620 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1422655384 726204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (well, they can, anyway.)
< 1422655436 274065 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a kind a type of type?
< 1422655448 64389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1422655475 317978 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that'sreasonable
< 1422655516 189493 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how can you unify types with kinds without unifying types with values?
< 1422655690 142170 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something is a kind, presumably you can test whether a type is of that kind. If something is a type, presumably you can test whether a value is of that type.
< 1422655707 641308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda calculus type systems don't generally work like that, no
< 1422655719 682843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mean internally to the language
< 1422655777 90873 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I mean in code. if(T isa K) and if(V isa T)
< 1422655784 556205 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, this is a static type system, not a dynamic one
< 1422655823 506159 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok then, let T bea K, let V bea T same problem
< 1422655856 169482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not making any sense in context, sorry
< 1422655935 546071 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is, if you have a structure which relates a type T to a value V, then if T is a kind, then V is a type.
< 1422655981 151213 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a typeoftype can't be a type unless a type is a value
< 1422656007 510198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not making any sense in context, sorry
< 1422656034 136419 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said a kind is a type of type. presumably a type is a type of value.
< 1422656070 588972 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generally, if you have kinds in the first place, they’re formally not types.
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< 1422656087 815335 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pop-corn
< 1422656088 346238 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pop-corn: not found
< 1422656098 150019 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just relate to types in a way that is intuitively similar to the way types relate to values.
< 1422656131 911951 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. So if you can instantiate a type as a value, then ypou can instantiate a kind as a type, correct?
< 1422656265 505267 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what “instantiate” means here.
< 1422656301 378715 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the problem I have is that if the syntax is formulated in a way that distinguishes values from types, then making kinds types, makes types values
< 1422656457 967833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: anyway, in the system that is being envisioned for future haskell, any value can be turned into a type and any type into a kind, but not always any type into a value.
< 1422656475 319672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure about from kind to type.
< 1422656484 13185 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sounds scary
< 1422656495 576179 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So formally "hello" is a kind? 
< 1422656515 498785 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be kind to ssy.
< 1422656536 629196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: "hello" is already a type in ghc haskell (not quite the same as a "promoted" string, though)
< 1422656556 155609 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1422656566 544998 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god damn it
< 1422656567 329995 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more scary
< 1422656579 41084 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what wouldy that even mean
< 1422656609 107799 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect it’s empty.
< 1422656629 506268 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A type without any values?
< 1422656643 120280 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course.
< 1422656646 403224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: it means that you can have a literal string as a type parameter, which is useful for e.g. making a typeclass that tells whether a type has a field of a given name.  which is also being implemented.
< 1422656674 437676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: only types of kind * have values.
< 1422656677 129238 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's what "hello" as a type means. that makes sense. but what would "hello" as a kind mean?
< 1422656705 117917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i dunno, i've just heard all types will also be kinds.
< 1422656727 393798 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, that sounds scary
< 1422656740 257797 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: isn't it only all types of kind * that will be kinds?
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< 1422656753 669352 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the "hello" type wouldn't be so becuase it's of kind String
< 1422656762 458262 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sort of makes sense.
< 1422656803 57358 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idris has many empty types – they correspond to false propositions.
< 1422656812 27337 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of one other way to do it, and that is that "hello" promotes to the type String
< 1422656822 327930 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: well sure, Haskell already has many empty types too
< 1422656838 481190 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that seems useless
< 1422656841 268205 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can define a new one like data MyNewEmptyType where {};
< 1422656881 832280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ok maybe it's only types of kind *
< 1422656889 855166 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew
< 1422656898 18556 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, even that is scary, but less so
< 1422656904 168772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the others would be kinds with no types in them, otherwise.
< 1422656927 618247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also istr it will bottom out by making the kind of all kinds *
< 1422656945 970271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that as a result this system is not consistent as a logic)
< 1422656980 703729 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, no infinite hierarchy?
< 1422657020 499382 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pictured it as a loerarchy
< 1422657025 975747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed.  i fully expect something to come up later that forces them to make it infinite, though :P it would be typical haskell.
< 1422657104 100108 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: From The Screwtape Letters?
< 1422657114 435814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's still supposed to be _type_ safe, though.)
< 1422657195 71678 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how infinite? one level for every ordinal? or only up to 20, and up to any natural if you use the epic rules?
< 1422657240 731955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: is that a d&d reference?
< 1422657254 678397 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: I heard the word loerarchy in real life somewhere, since I wasn't sure how to spell it
< 1422657277 216403 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes
< 1422657316 562940 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: is that like an upside down hierarchy? or would that be liearaclo?
< 1422657320 372986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i know about "epic" i learned from oots
< 1422657348 572982 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah, like a set of things where the lowest one is the most powerful
< 1422657371 175575 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1422657408 171260 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for example the letter grade system is a loerarchy
< 1422657416 152371 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: In The Screwtape Letters it’s “Lowerarchy” I believe, but it’s really just a pun. “hieros” means sacred or holy, it’s not related to “high”.
< 1422657464 177933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1422657475 548524 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although sometimes S is better than A
< 1422657536 668956 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiktionary actually has an entry for “lowerarchy”.
< 1422657538 845952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in the norwegian equivalent of junior high school, S was the best character. no A though.
< 1422657579 92020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :S(g), M(g), G, Ng, Lg
< 1422657653 390382 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In canada it is ABCDF (they took out E), and in many videogames it's SABC
< 1422657654 287592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g/G for no:godt = en:good, and the prefixes mean especially, very, ..., fairly, little
< 1422657700 771558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where little is actually an adverb so i'm not sure what it's in english
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< 1422657813 341201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the senior high school used to be 1-6, 6 best.  the university used to be 1-6, 1 best.  but i think at least one of them has changed to an A-F system.
< 1422657830 982930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also the university had decimal points)
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< 1422657943 599825 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-143-251.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Germany, 1 is always the best of 1-6. However, systems differ in which intermediate grades are used.
< 1422657956 798500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the before-high-school classes had no real grades, although there was a report card with either "satisfactory" or "may improve"
< 1422658010 148723 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my public schoolthey had excellent, satisfactory and needs improvement
< 1422658086 705916 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they do that to try to discourage competition
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< 1422658151 290638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure there was no excellent, and given the general views of the time they almost certainly wanted to discourage competition.
< 1422658187 290857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my public school teacher was an honest-to-atheism communist btw.
< 1422658208 883801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although to fair, i only realized that about the last year.
< 1422658222 521530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to be
< 1422658242 915209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the main teacher for our class, that is)
< 1422658281 736145 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. in Canada that's the norm
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< 1422658321 176751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...if you say so.
< 1422658347 849007 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :teachers in high school are a left-wing demographic in a left-wing country
< 1422658376 349782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the norm in norway that teachers are left-wing, but there's still a couple steps until communism.
< 1422658407 294277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course there are exceptions.
< 1422658494 660275 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, i guess... although I find that communism isn't really considered to be the epitome of left-wing anymore
< 1422658565 104418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the labor party which is only partly leftish these days, then there's the party named "socialist left" which has dropped mentions of revolution quite a while ago, and was in the last government.  then there is the party simply named "red", which has no representatives but has had one before.
< 1422658601 812638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there is the "norwegian communist party", if it still exists, i'm not quite sure.
< 1422658645 743567 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In canada we have the canadian communist party which is completely irrelevant.
< 1422658705 712810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the norwegian one is also completely irrelevant.
< 1422658706 686606 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have 'meetings' on campus which as far as I know no one goes to 
< 1422658750 578153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mainly because they're the "old-style" communists, all the young radicals go to "red" instead.
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< 1422658770 385478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're sufficiently radical, that is.
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< 1422658810 362135 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Canada young radicals don't vote.
< 1422658832 310691 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or young people in general really
< 1422658874 210624 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only voted because I had nothing better to do
< 1422658921 625971 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Canadian politics never really seemed like a thing one got excited about really, unless you were Quebecois and the latest hopeless referendum was up for vote.
< 1422658951 746792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also the Greens, they're radical about the environment but i don't think about economics.
< 1422659018 766489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and last election they seemed to be siphoning voters off the left socialists, which also style themselves as "green"
< 1422659023 779260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*who
< 1422659054 413780 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's confusing that the Republicans are red. Whoever thought that was a good idea
< 1422659089 715918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: i vaguely remember reading they used to vary that by election, but then after 9/11 or thereabouts it got stuck
< 1422659163 375588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably neither party wants to be associated with the european associations of the color
< 1422659204 866459 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently so. they got stuck with the wrong colours as far as the rest of the world (including Canada) is concerne
< 1422659211 179184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's always the joke that in norway/europe, the democrats would be considered a right-wing party.
< 1422659231 905928 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We make that joke too
< 1422659268 318274 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But our most left-wing party the NDP uses orange
< 1422659354 162248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :red, obviously, uses red.  but then so does the labor party, and the socialist lefts use red+green
< 1422659380 851065 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The christmas party
< 1422659463 944679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the christian people's party uses red, too, and even the rightwing progress party is mostly red.
< 1422659513 925995 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, how is the "progress party" right-wing. That doesn't make sense
< 1422659547 717543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's considered the most right-wing party in parliament.
< 1422659586 437020 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :our most right-wing party was once called the "progressive conservatives" which is just contradictory 
< 1422659616 694354 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We want to go forward, and stay where we are!"
< 1422659659 340054 :oren!~oren@user3-214-115.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They realized this and chnged the name
< 1422659681 66931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :our _second-most_ right-wing party, named "right", but usually translated as conservatives, has a coalition covernment with the progress party.
< 1422659688 345162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they are blue btw)
< 1422659712 204259 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my favorite joke about American politics is that by US standards, Jeremy Clarkson is practically a moderate ...
< 1422659715 443042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the progress party are not conservative, they certainly want to change things.
< 1422659780 610730 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I very much support the idea of Conserving the French Monarch
< 1422659789 436864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: this joke would probably work better if i actually watched tv.
< 1422659798 704506 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hah hah.
< 1422659841 198003 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeremy Clarkson is the head presenter on Top Gear. I like to think of him as Britain's drunk uncle.
< 1422659855 751620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did google that much.
< 1422659930 195351 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides the car thing, he's mostly famous for getting in trouble over vaguely racist remarks, or complaining about any kind of legal or environmental barriers to the existence of large fuel-guzzling v12 engines.
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< 1422659975 48000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the latter part does look like part of his job description.
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< 1422660222 708960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote dreaded
< 1422660223 232619 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :liyang says: <fragamus> how can I upgrade bytestring? I tried to use cabal but it complains  <liyang> Ah, the dreaded monochrom restriction.
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< 1422660235 753610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1422660239 818626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote dreaded
< 1422660240 236570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :liyang says: <fragamus> how can I upgrade bytestring? I tried to use cabal but it complains  <liyang> Ah, the dreaded monochrom restriction.
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< 1422660294 570392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION assumes that is an inside joke about monochrom which he doesn't know
< 1422660385 850146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote restriction
< 1422660386 278250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: falls under the monomorphism restriction
< 1422660388 954846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote restriction
< 1422660389 495426 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :koeien says: Let's register it [monomorphismrestriction.com] to prevent it from being used ;)
< 1422660400 219264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote restriction
< 1422660400 721492 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdone says: <mauke> inb4 monomorphism restriction <chrisdone> monomorphism prediction
< 1422660408 687262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote restriction
< 1422660409 148060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :liyang says: <fragamus> how can I upgrade bytestring? I tried to use cabal but it complains  <liyang> Ah, the dreaded monochrom restriction.
< 1422660413 152187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote restriction
< 1422660413 686265 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vixey says: put some restriction like every token has a neighbourhood locally homeomophic to algol
< 1422660446 575241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: that last one sounds like something you'd know about.
< 1422660477 297715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote restriction
< 1422660477 900671 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdone says: <mauke> inb4 monomorphism restriction <chrisdone> monomorphism prediction
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< 1422662163 737307 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote wat
< 1422662164 267430 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :monochrom says: "a monad is like drinking water from a bottle without human mouth touching bottle mouth"
< 1422662210 618937 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it matched characters not words
< 1422662276 459488 :puppy!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca NICK :nys
< 1422662291 125778 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote wat
< 1422662291 611716 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japsu says: segfault cat is watching you unsafeCoerce
< 1422662305 701936 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote wat
< 1422662306 230937 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :monochrom says: those who have learned from history are bound to helplessly watch other people repeat it.
< 1422662317 83624 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote wat
< 1422662317 587769 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quanticle says: If you recommend me that mexican water again, I will break a Corona bottle over your head.
< 1422662324 499803 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote wat
< 1422662325 99004 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vellos says: i will watch you from afar
< 1422662345 107180 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote segfault
< 1422662345 547845 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TSC says: Programs compiled with GHC aren't really supposed to segfault, are they? <Pseudonym> Did you call unsafeSegfault?
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< 1422662410 771055 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote uppos
< 1422662411 184038 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :baristaTam says: Well, I suppose I shouldn't surround myself in a place full of hate.  I think bringing kindness into the world is a value, and this channel seems to spew the opposite.
< 1422662445 57331 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, a flame war
< 1422662445 201864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@forget baristaTam Well, I suppose I shouldn't surround myself in a place full of hate.  I think bringing kindness into the world is a value, and this channel seems to spew the opposite.
< 1422662445 662510 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1422662466 931707 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote uppos
< 1422662467 395011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :RussellNorvig says: "...the ideas of logic are far more general and beautiful than is commonly supposed."
< 1422662510 490211 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1422662510 888959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :devrandom says: yes, I do plan to use a good RNG
< 1422662527 49796 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1422662527 471109 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :JosephFMiklojcikIII says: In keeping with other popular software projects, versions are named by adjectiveFurniture pairs, where successive versions (more properly termed "releases") begin with pairs of successive letters of the English alphabet. We could not come up with the zeroth or negative first letter of the alphabet, so simply began our
< 1422662527 615623 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :release names with AvariciousArmoire and documented the reason why.
< 1422662556 934339 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1422662592 249440 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1422662592 698038 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :DavidWheeler says: Compatibility means deliberately repeating other people's mistakes.
< 1422662601 234930 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does
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< 1422662629 312104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is that naming joke a negative reasoning joke?
< 1422662641 135260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*negative thinking
< 1422662799 155230 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1422662799 529837 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dalaing says: going from doing a fair bit of haskell recently to doing javascript today... sigh... it feels like the difference between typing at a keyboard and typing with a pair of those sporting-event-foam-hands-with-a-pointing-finger on
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< 1422662905 222592 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1422662905 635128 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heffalump says: <joelr1> Heffalump: i always wondered... why didn't [Credit Suisse] go with ocaml? <Heffalump> cos they have taste
< 1422662998 873165 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1422662999 455360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :accel says: next time I'll read a few research papers before I start trolling hakell
< 1422663000 54974 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote antidisestablishmentarianism
< 1422663000 199392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. My pet ferret can type better than you!
< 1422663024 326779 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote hak
< 1422663024 930531 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :accel says: next time I'll read a few research papers before I start trolling hakell
< 1422663058 575398 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote project
< 1422663058 943263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :JosephFMiklojcikIII says: In keeping with other popular software projects, versions are named by adjectiveFurniture pairs, where successive versions (more properly termed "releases") begin with pairs of successive letters of the English alphabet. We could not come up with the zeroth or negative first letter of the alphabet, so simply began our
< 1422663059 87713 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :release names with AvariciousArmoire and documented the reason why.
< 1422663062 108369 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote project
< 1422663062 507145 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale says: Little known fact: For any positive integer n, the infinite sequence of Project Euler problems has only finitely many elements whose solution is not divisible by n.
< 1422663100 676024 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote project
< 1422663101 197550 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gwern says: good news everyone! we heard you like interpreters so we used the 3rd futamura projection to interpret your compiler so you can compile while you interpret!
< 1422663160 8682 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :futamura? apparently a chemical company in Japan
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< 1422663366 231772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google projections of futamura
< 1422663367 447706 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_evaluation
< 1422663367 658504 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Partial evaluation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
< 1422663370 274537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google projections of futamura sigfpe
< 1422663371 738007 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.sigfpe.com/2009/05/three-projections-of-doctor-futamura.html
< 1422663371 910697 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: A Neighborhood of Infinity: The Three Projections of Doctor Futamura
< 1422663405 50112 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see... Has anyone implemented such thing?
< 1422663454 398394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
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< 1422663803 150354 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1422663803 633571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :blackh says: This is Haskell so we can do whatever we like.
< 1422663813 986100 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1422663814 401511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :jedbrown says: #haskell spends 5 hours discussing what the version number should be, then one hour writing an Arc compiler.
< 1422663818 925997 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1422663927 263995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the AvariciousArmoire Arc compiler
< 1422664174 175701 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh Arc ...
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< 1422664776 297614 :dtscode!~dtscode@dtscode.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats Arc?
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< 1422664776 778680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :paul graham's lisp dialect
< 1422664776 944271 :dtscode!~dtscode@dtscode.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1422664777 208415 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. more or less abandoned now.
< 1422664795 542722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hacker news was written in it
< 1422664830 628615 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. other than HN and the Arc forum, about the only applications in Arc seem to be half-finished Arc implementations ...
< 1422665053 432371 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(partly this is because the canonical implementation is written in a grossly out of date version of MzScheme)
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< 1422666049 782997 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENSB
< 1422666050 550592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENSB 302350Z 13016KT 9999 FEW025 M20/M29 Q1017 RMK WIND 1400FT 12003KT
< 1422666055 11536 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1422666055 618845 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 310000Z 29012KT 15SM DRSN FEW040 BKN180 BKN220 M12/M18 A3009 RMK SC1AC5CI1 SLP190
< 1422666090 375277 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :brrr.
< 1422666095 135702 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LOWI
< 1422666095 788999 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 310050Z AUTO VRB02KT 2000 SN FEW015 BKN024 M04/M06 Q0982
< 1422666127 410770 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than cold enough for me
< 1422666136 233882 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello. -22 this night. I wonder if we're going to get lower than Svalbard.
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< 1422666272 666578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENRO
< 1422666272 811035 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KATL
< 1422666273 356862 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENRO 310050Z AUTO 14015KT 9999NDV -SHSN FEW027/// OVC052/// M04/M07 Q0978
< 1422666273 601745 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KATL 310052Z 34011KT 10SM FEW250 06/M06 A3031 RMK AO2 SLP271 T00611061
< 1422666289 832479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not so cold
< 1422666290 15819 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellœrjan. ENRO is a persistent anomaly.
< 1422666308 34529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's well known in norway for being a cold place
< 1422666315 679934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not today
< 1422666347 934039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's just not working properly, that does look anomalous
< 1422666391 272990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nah weather forecast agrees
< 1422666392 536921 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I'm conflagrating ENRO and EFRO together. my bad.
< 1422666396 756237 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EFRO
< 1422666397 552423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFRO 310050Z AUTO 02005KT 9999 -SHSN FEW007 OVC012 M09/M10 Q0993
< 1422666406 447322 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. same thing.
< 1422666431 475827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1422666432 414873 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 310050Z 07007KT CAVOK 01/M07 Q0980 RMK WIND 670FT 16016KT
< 1422666492 940791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think rovaniemi is also known for being cold, being in north finland
< 1422666501 245776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that's the one
< 1422666506 501570 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the one.
< 1422666621 437001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ESNQ
< 1422666622 85150 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESNQ 310050Z AUTO 03005KT 9999 -SN FEW008/// SCT038/// OVC068/// M14/M16 Q0992
< 1422666626 864044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better
< 1422666632 744082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kiruna in sweden
< 1422666646 318682 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! at last some place colder than here!
< 1422666683 84768 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting how to read METAR
< 1422666692 533305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar UUDD
< 1422666693 324587 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :UUDD 310100Z 14007MPS 9999 BKN006 OVC100 M05/M05 Q1004 64550194 TEMPO 1000 FZDZ
< 1422666696 313210 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 1.8 degrees C here
< 1422666702 279309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moscow disappoints
< 1422666793 944137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar UNNT
< 1422666794 719255 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNNT 310100Z 17004MPS CAVOK M22/M26 Q1032 25810160 16810160 NOSIG RMK QFE764/1019
< 1422666807 707291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give you: novosibirsk
< 1422666833 630968 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbf it went up to +2°C during the day here.
< 1422666913 183716 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Tanelle. which one was yours again?
< 1422666930 812202 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's cheating.
< 1422666955 335487 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you live in a tropical climate. how dare you go above zero during February!
< 1422666956 33133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey it's a perfectly good populated place
< 1422666971 849036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by obviously mad people, but still
< 1422667007 447965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENKA
< 1422667008 240827 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result.
< 1422667012 2732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1422667026 855392 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: happens every year
< 1422667042 396903 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, EGNT out of termtime
< 1422667045 265820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENNA
< 1422667045 869777 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENNA 310050Z 33004KT 290V030 9999 FEW031 SCT041 M08/M12 Q0998 RMK WIND 1800FT 06015KT
< 1422667050 99453 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now I'm not much near an airport
< 1422667054 904549 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I use http://weather.elec.york.ac.uk/
< 1422667057 153730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess norway just isn't cold
< 1422667068 54300 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: to say something positive for the people, I'm not a native.
< 1422667084 602989 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <oerjan> i guess norway just isn't cold
< 1422667086 787259 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1231) <oerjan> i guess norway just isn't cold
< 1422667172 8605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you leave out _one_ "today"...
< 1422667253 175750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is entirely possible to get M40 in røros, but...
< 1422667259 118946 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ambient temperature is fluctuating around 275K, but people make a big deal of a 10% difference...
< 1422667290 412813 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we happen to be made of biological matter with a high water proportion hth
< 1422667353 288483 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* If you think I didn't know that, think again.
< 1422667379 889460 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks... thinks... thinks... enters a state akin to OSX's beachball of death...
< 1422667391 256713 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. I guess stating the obvious is this channels second most favourite topic. I forgot the first.
< 1422667459 922076 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome int-e 
< 1422667460 998904 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1422667467 500374 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that was it.
< 1422667561 880812 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1422667624 446677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's not conclude too early which one is on top
< 1422667703 421780 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you make a strong case.
< 1422667761 424763 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[In case it wasn't obvious: that was the second reply that came to my mind. The first one was "obviously."]
< 1422668296 62480 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f81c-109.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1422668439 264440 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f81c-109.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422668699 401818 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi everybody. what is the good exercise set (like Project Euler) to learn lambda calculus and dig deep into FP like Haskell?
< 1422668760 118156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just about anything other than project euler is good
< 1422668768 127222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens to be particularly unsuited for haskell :p
< 1422668801 6393 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Project Euler in Haskell is kinda fun I guess? But really not a good fit for "learning Haskell".
< 1422668818 140783 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's good then...?
< 1422668821 520266 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It manages to explore the less interesting bits of the language quite heavily. :P
< 1422668883 110614 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PinealGlandOptic: if you want a nice set of challenges, http://programmingpraxis.com/ . the exercises there are oftentimes practical and applicable.
< 1422668892 149058 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: thanks!
< 1422669028 682471 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to sharpen my FP skills and I choose to learn LISP, ML and Haskell. anything else I forgot?
< 1422669113 890104 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather swap LISP with Scheme (R5RS) because personal preference. also, don't be afraid by beginner category theory.
< 1422669180 641467 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you read http://learnyouahaskell.com/ yet?
< 1422669212 364054 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're learning ML and Haskell, beware of the term "functor", they're not the same
< 1422669235 139717 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422669236 347846 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by "not the same" I mean "almost, but not quite, entirely different"
< 1422669245 406655 :Quin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao NICK :Eolus
< 1422669245 551254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also applies if you're learning Prolog
< 1422669280 826592 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I think Scheme is probably the best place to learn FP style. It was much easier to grasp stricter typed FP languages with some Little Schemer and Racket under my belt.
< 1422669338 775838 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had to remind himself... the original was about tea. Or rather, not tea.
< 1422669371 772977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: wat
< 1422669379 281558 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :T not tea
< 1422669379 426173 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for your answers. but Sceme lacks Dynamic scope? is it not worth using it nowadays?
< 1422669390 502022 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not-quite-tea in space.
< 1422669401 110080 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "[Arthur] had found a Nutri-Matic machine which had provided him with a plastic cup filled with a liquid that was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea."
< 1422669406 95415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are uses for dynamic scope, but it's a bad default
< 1422669408 22142 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :goog morning
< 1422669417 598716 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goog morning to you too
< 1422669418 53034 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so it's bad pattern?
< 1422669451 658550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bad if it's used without explicitly choosing to use it
< 1422669462 713053 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, What's you all talkins about today
< 1422669474 267192 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing
< 1422669483 470145 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eolus: hi not-Lilax.
< 1422669485 378948 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously nothing.
< 1422669503 216108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even haskell has some dynamical scope support, but it's rarely used.
< 1422669508 898496 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it does?
< 1422669512 5469 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: IC, thanks
< 1422669515 614362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: implicit parameters
< 1422669525 858382 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: I like chicken scheme.
< 1422669532 894270 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ooooh.
< 1422669544 145122 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Have you seen Bones yet?
< 1422669544 418910 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e shut your god damn mouth about that, I mentally am not Lilax. Drop it
< 1422669554 263144 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry if I was rude
< 1422669578 506220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f x = x + ?y in (let ?y = 1 in f 2, let ?y = 2 in f 2)
< 1422669580 251378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (3,4)
< 1422669582 756699 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eolus: don't worry. in times of identity crisis, lick ion.
< 1422669590 305978 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, where is ion nowadays?
< 1422669601 810430 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :lick ?
< 1422669605 378823 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eolus: but you make it so rewarding to rub it in.
< 1422669607 457891 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean
< 1422669619 845421 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ion
< 1422669620 743942 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1422669620 888544 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I will spit in your mouth
< 1422669625 900555 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It pleases my inner troll.
< 1422669632 619997 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop rubbing it in
< 1422669639 106508 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? ion's been wiped from the wisdom?
< 1422669647 81532 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eolus: int-e is oerjan's evil twin.
< 1422669655 830264 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep ion wisdom/*
< 1422669661 500026 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/:08ev14eryone: Welcome to the international 12hub for esoteric14 pro03grammin11g 05l08anguage design and depl02oy06ment! F12or mor11e info14rmat12ion, 05check out 09our wiki: h03ttp04://eso12langs.org/07w02iki/Mai09n_Pag06e.14 (For the other k08ind of esoterica, tr05y #e07soteric 05on irc06.dal.net.) \ wisdom/1:
< 1422669663 56018 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. bad idea
< 1422669673 94136 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is oerjan mildy bad
< 1422669680 478156 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -P '\bion\b' wisdom/*
< 1422669683 886716 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°​_o): Is a directory
< 1422669684 127033 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                  |
< 1422669684 271635 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                o/`¯º
< 1422669686 782669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: can we just be nice or something
< 1422669689 955520 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is a wholly different level of evil.
< 1422669701 944424 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :secred
< 1422669733 999816 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess. The troll is fed now anyway.
< 1422669763 174124 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find wisdom -name '*ion*'
< 1422669764 21784 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/indentity function \ wisdom/natural transformation \ wisdom/internationale \ wisdom/lion \ wisdom/perpetual motion machine \ wisdom/identity function \ wisdom/urbandictionary \ wisdom/hallucination \ wisdom/eurovision \ wisdom/tanebvention \ wisdom/composition
< 1422669776 750264 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lion
< 1422669777 517615 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lions are the catamorphisms of the animal world.
< 1422669785 179264 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1422669789 260169 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :o-uch.
< 1422669794 646435 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cake
< 1422669795 523497 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cake? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1422669821 580020 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric ::l
< 1422669836 346344 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the wisdom I wrote “Suffers from drive-by lickings.”, but it doesn't seem to be the official wisdom.
< 1422669864 397549 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get the joke
< 1422669870 84032 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :was ion being licked
< 1422669881 112715 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? internationale
< 1422669881 816629 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have been reported to the House Un-American Activities Committee
< 1422669891 440681 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duly noted
< 1422669902 115479 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eolus: yes, by some troll that joined the channel, licked ion, and then parted. sometimes multiple times per week.
< 1422669910 178733 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1422669917 345218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember how they came back recently
< 1422669928 242494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after like multiple years having passed
< 1422669936 938862 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :they obviously wanted the ion
< 1422669985 722246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<boily> btw, where is ion nowadays? <-- we can only assume he got all licked up
< 1422670002 174982 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is off enjoying the licking
< 1422670007 663469 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously
< 1422670019 357389 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zzz~
< 1422670029 600798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm sorry but int-e is my _redundant_ twin.  i'm the evil one.
< 1422670059 93545 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :￦_￦
< 1422670154 504654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my what big eyes you have
< 1422670158 52845 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is a fountain, int-e is a watermelon, firefly is a firefly, elliott is Jesus, boily is a cat
< 1422670172 633737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1422670176 339844 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prints out labels
< 1422670177 588948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with no. 3
< 1422670190 497447 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meowhat?
< 1422670195 251811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FireFly -----###
< 1422670203 488110 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww
< 1422670208 572322 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :;+;
< 1422670210 179446 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor ship
< 1422670212 389273 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the swatter! long time no see!
< 1422670247 262406 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :watermelon, eh. could be worse. could be a pot of petunias.
< 1422670279 623507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: est-ce que vous êtes un chat?
< 1422670292 145053 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :An ORANGE water melon
< 1422670305 856952 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: non, j'ai tendance à ne pas etre un chat.
< 1422670308 281517 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't push it, lily
< 1422670333 394130 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's a plant. a fragile one.)
< 1422670343 374111 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: et tu peux me tutoyer, sans problème.
< 1422670351 161115 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(vraiment, ça fait étrange quand le monde me vouvoient...)
< 1422670357 542359 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut your mouth before I tear it off
< 1422670359 528589 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anywayd
< 1422670362 667223 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :ways*
< 1422670379 749611 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only our gf can call lilax Lily :l
< 1422670406 373150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :merci beaucoup.  although i was mainly amused i actually remembered enough french to make that sentence.
< 1422670417 713232 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :France
< 1422670419 759538 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was perfectly formed and properly accentuated.
< 1422670423 105595 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eolus: nope. Canada.
< 1422670423 467332 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is pretty kewl
< 1422670433 353474 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're better. eh.
< 1422670437 341574 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :je suis napoleon.
< 1422670439 627360 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can speak canadin
< 1422670447 868172 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: j'te crois pas.
< 1422670454 712365 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doin' it right now
< 1422670495 552348 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pets int-e
< 1422670506 506115 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :goog kitty
< 1422670603 477169 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422670617 245710 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cake
< 1422670618 156494 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Enrichment Center is required to remind you that you will be baked, and then there will be cake.
< 1422670640 377410 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1422670651 121597 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even better kitty
< 1422670689 280460 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cod dammit data tables are just annoying
< 1422670713 791865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane n'est pas leon
< 1422670722 627991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1422670725 480000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lion
< 1422670747 716077 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: back in business, I see
< 1422670761 618772 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :re. swatting
< 1422670771 55277 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :he likes to hit people
< 1422670771 667812 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :let
< 1422670772 984155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another year, another swat
< 1422670778 811803 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :us wait for the mapole.
< 1422670781 932795 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :its his only excitement
< 1422670783 524382 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: «J_ arcane n'est pas un lion»?
< 1422670792 352524 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and kill whoever put ' right next to <return>)
< 1422670805 125178 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1422670822 59890 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shines his trusty mapole and makes a few practice swings in the air...
< 1422670842 757055 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murder is nev er an option int-e 
< 1422670857 412234 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thwacks Eolus with a double reverse ninja wheelbarrow spin
< 1422670871 295281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i didn't want to break the pun with un
< 1422670877 849197 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pulls out spray bottle and sprays boily
< 1422670884 472326 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad cat!
< 1422670897 524470 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:<
< 1422670933 987543 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1422670935 826749 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1422670973 695402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The channel of percussive reeducation | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1422671000 700123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The channel of percussive reëducation | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1422671012 565646 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks ^^
< 1422671032 152831 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422671038 824698 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with that, 'night all!
< 1422671044 557799 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ULTRAMARINE CHICKEN
< 1422671059 416982 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422671140 665072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i see you've put henkma hard at work lately
< 1422671359 818363 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, funny statistics on the Caesar thing
< 1422671561 657906 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the website is lacking the essential "show me problems where A is better than B" view...
< 1422671631 98734 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the moment I only remember http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?sin+curve and http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?kM4_
< 1422671650 88166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So two magic formula problems.
< 1422671878 65615 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh mai
< 1422672255 861061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1422674608 860464 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.66.240 QUIT :Quit: bbl
< 1422675282 526354 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422675564 772141 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1422675591 158522 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:50d3:dc3f:9f09:d861 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422678031 697637 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@Qウお手まい
< 1422678032 93365 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1422678040 45356 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goddamnit
< 1422678045 820958 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote mai
< 1422678046 344505 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :benmachine says: main = interact id
< 1422678050 842170 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote mai
< 1422678051 251438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :RootLabs says: Bitcoin remains the most efficient method to buy drugs & transfer wealth from anti-govt zealots to hackers.
< 1422678154 913021 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, actually I want to know why that Q ended up capital, the u became a katakana, and the o became a hiragana
< 1422678211 172775 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's repeatable: @Qウお手 it is using some crazy rules to decide what things are
< 1422678237 384293 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, I remember... one of those characters. い.
< 1422678244 297480 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep learning all the hiragana and forgetting most of them.
< 1422678308 389037 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intrestingly if I type something in the wrong mode into google, google often knows how to "unIME" it
< 1422678310 445328 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1422678386 961552 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google ようつべ
< 1422678388 968659 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://get-simple.info/forums/showthread.php?tid=1995
< 1422678389 113045 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: ÃÂŸÃ‘Â€ÃÂ¾ÃÂ±ÃÂ»ÃÂµÃÂ¼ÃÂ° Ã‘Â�...
< 1422678395 20377 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google れぺあt
< 1422678396 827038 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wattpad.com/65119375-dreams-aren't-just-dreams-%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0-1
< 1422678396 971593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Dreams aren't just dreams Глава 1 - Page 1 - Wattpad
< 1422678412 579750 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But apparently not thru lambdabot
< 1422678474 490295 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The above are just IMEizations of "youtube" and "repeat" and google knows to unIME them
< 1422678592 553163 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love Yōtsube.
< 1422679012 484706 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1422679302 822778 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot should really do some, y'know, encode checking on those titles. :)
< 1422679663 529019 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cakuejwwudjaqkao QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1422679908 517019 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there shud be a language called "epilog"
< 1422680389 718423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's epigram
< 1422680617 520493 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote epigram
< 1422680618 85634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dolio says: Perhaps he's an epigram guy and frowns on Turing completeness.
< 1422680683 148552 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote epigram
< 1422680683 613173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dolio says: Perhaps he's an epigram guy and frowns on Turing completeness.
< 1422680689 413973 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mxdbvszjeonxpthr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422680692 79563 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote dijkstra
< 1422680692 565435 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dijkstra says: when judging the relative merits of programming languages, some still seem to equate "the ease of programming" with the ease of making undetected mistakes
< 1422680722 938533 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote dijkstra
< 1422680723 349029 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dijkstra says: when judging the relative merits of programming languages, some still seem to equate "the ease of programming" with the ease of making undetected mistakes
< 1422680729 217800 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote merit
< 1422680729 589169 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dijkstra says: when judging the relative merits of programming languages, some still seem to equate "the ease of programming" with the ease of making undetected mistakes
< 1422680736 284338 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the ease of programming one is good
< 1422680747 104854 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote assembler
< 1422680747 522756 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk says: i learned to program becaise i'd lied and told a kid that i'd written a disassembler, then had to make good on the claim.
< 1422680792 299361 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote prolog
< 1422680792 811121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 says: Such as, we try to make something similar to a combination of Haskell, C, BLISS, TeX, WEB, Prolog, INTERCAL, and Magic: the Gathering; and then make it with many things omitted such as Unicode syntax, layout, do-notation, list comprehensions; and add in macros and stuff, and then make up something new......
< 1422680814 886239 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote prolog
< 1422680815 221564 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fubo says: I've seen "production" Prolog code and it bends my brain. Also, any language where performance is even less predictable than in Haskell strikes me as an odd choice.
< 1422681388 287934 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now has a supposedly working fridge
< 1422681576 287699 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MealSquares are not non-perishable, so not so great for the obvious use-case of 
< 1422681582 604622 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'can't leave apartment'
< 1422681601 970685 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either I'm eating them regularly so could be caught out, or I end up throwing them out frequently
< 1422681622 245133 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam is practically non-perishable
< 1422681652 471268 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though almost certainly less suitable as a complete diet than MealSquares.
< 1422681735 780641 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our fridge is used mostly for beer, milk and eggs
< 1422681752 983347 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been told by my step-mother that I no longer need to gain weight
< 1422681754 346796 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and butter
< 1422681786 759342 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most obvious diet change would be going from 3 slices of pizza most nights to 2 + MealSquare, but 1 MealSquare > 1 slice of pizza in terms of calories :/
< 1422681809 662757 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks a bit
< 1422681816 931361 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You... do you mostly just eat pizza?
< 1422681830 453489 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude learn to cook
< 1422681834 43367 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other things too, but probably pizza makes up a big portion
< 1422681844 798219 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, and I thought I was bad.
< 1422681856 436838 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5/7 nights I eat pizza for dinner. I eat other things for breakfast and lunch
< 1422681871 884848 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I eat very unhealthy stuff, but I make it myself
< 1422681935 886814 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that, y'know, expensive? I mean, pizza isn't super ultra pricy, but eating out all the time is kinda killer on the wallet.
< 1422681966 383134 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I figure as long as derivative of net worth stays positive, it's probably fine
< 1422681981 731462 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 3 slices of pizza + you didn't have a fridge = huh. So, you just let the pizza sit out?
< 1422681996 204943 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I go to pizza place and eat there
< 1422682002 307468 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ah*.
< 1422682009 628727 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is significantly less worrying.
< 1422682012 647795 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: do you have a stove?
< 1422682025 431587 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: don't know if it works
< 1422682040 385573 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: jesus dude
< 1422682090 829702 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it works, you could save a fortune by making french toast one night a week
< 1422682217 942414 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also check what's on sale at your local grocery store
< 1422682238 49507 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekAfk
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< 1422682356 432608 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't drive, and the nearest grocery store is a significant walk away
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< 1422683329 356077 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07IDTM14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41780&oldid=41772 5* 03Scoppini 5* (-1) 10Minor grammar fix
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< 1422685604 612154 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it seems, ML and Haskell source code has reduced need of syntax-colouring editors? languages probably can be compared using this measure :)
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< 1422691053 596222 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION yawn
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< 1422693514 568439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1422694716 172259 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1422694790 442870 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey
< 1422695090 23924 :Eolus!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qncluwjlmuvxikqx PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pat pat
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< 1422695450 42875 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Al Dente14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41781 5* 0386.92.91.190 5* (+95) 10Created page with "Examples are given on a [[Al_Dente_examples|separate]] page; why not add them to the main text?"
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< 1422699323 674472 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi everybody. ML praised for excellent type system. is it possible to encode there a value in range 0..11 for month in date, so it would be impossible to push 12 there? are there any other PL which makes this possible?
< 1422699387 507225 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this can be solved by allocating n bits for value, but it works only for values in 0..2^n range
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< 1422701706 880217 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How impossible do you need it to be?
< 1422701861 64484 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: do you asking me?
< 1422701889 267003 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :In ML it is quite simple: signature MONTH = sig type Month   val toMonth : Int -> Month   val fromMonth : Month -> Int end
< 1422701901 61447 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: but limits?
< 1422701926 419415 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :toMonth n = if n >= 12 then throw NoSuchMonth else Month n
< 1422701947 136011 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: is this kinda object constructor?
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< 1422702075 199226 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It constructs a value, not an object, but ocaml probably allows the same thing with objects
< 1422702104 87968 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: IC, thanks
< 1422702276 54612 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also simple in Ada: subtype Month is Integer range 0 .. 11;
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< 1422702319 815289 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: that's specific for month or I could add, say, day in range of 0..31?
< 1422702407 249398 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you want that? It seems better to have a type for Gregorian dates, then the valid day numbers depend on the current month and year.
< 1422702419 169682 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No month has 32 days, anyway.)
< 1422702459 793343 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: just interesting, no specific goal. RDBMS has constraints for this, so it's impossible to push incorrect value to field. maybe some PL can do so as well
< 1422702507 141670 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which programming languages cannot do this?
< 1422702603 135725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good old Pascal has "subrange types" too.
< 1422702686 402113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Month = 0 .. 11; and so on.
< 1422702740 877446 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: huh, I forgot
< 1422702753 539336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: What about the rare "misplaced leap day" that accidentally lands in January? 
< 1422702759 361891 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as another example, it would be cool to have LatinChar type which can contain only A..Z symbols
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< 1422702828 817016 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, how Pascal controlling value to be always withing range, or it is rather self-documenting feature
< 1422702853 982779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's enforced, but I'm no Pascal expert.
< 1422702860 463037 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1422703120 283828 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also once made FuzzyBool type in C++ which is enum for True/False/Unknown. I has a bit obsessive compulsive paranoid thoughts that other value can be there instead of these. huh.
< 1422703143 266739 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is integer, of course, but can be narrowed to 2 bits, which allows four state
< 1422703146 271153 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fourth
< 1422703177 710756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :enum Bool { True, False, FileNotFound }; is the dailywtf classic.
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< 1422704925 954433 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :PinealGlandOptic, you could have true,false,unknown,not-applicable?
< 1422704928 758525 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal NICK :Vorpal
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< 1422706743 881585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buh. JuiceSSH somehow disables the swiping functionality of the standard keyboard.
< 1422706780 42135 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously it would be true, false, unknown, impossible
< 1422706843 632527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to pop up the "special keys" supplementary keyboard, swipe it left to get a special text input line. Then you can do normal text input and editing there.
< 1422706898 503311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly predictive text input in Irssi Connectbot was kind of flaky occasionally too.
< 1422706969 286611 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh! inkscape 0.91 is finally released!
< 1422707073 963855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thanks go especially to Google for sponsoring much of this work." I didn't know that.
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< 1422707619 258618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oren> Spam is practically non-perishable <-- i now get the image of Sgeo living solely on spam for a month
< 1422707656 568855 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm. spam.
< 1422707682 544806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever had proper spam. :/
< 1422707688 351295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither
< 1422707703 53256 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's largely under-rated IMO, if a bit salty.
< 1422707710 829154 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite like the stuff.
< 1422707722 632551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a somewhat similar thing in Finland that we had as boat food relatively often.
< 1422707771 221025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nötkötti", colloquially.
< 1422707818 829589 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sounds similar to the Swedish word nötkött, which just means "meat from a cow"
< 1422707834 461957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thought it mean emergency meat
< 1422707847 674437 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Swedish word?
< 1422707850 983804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one is a mixture of beef and pork.
< 1422707854 67030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that would be nödkött
< 1422707857 886944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fi.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sian-_ja_naudanlihas%C3%A4ilyke
< 1422707859 102714 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, would be nödkött indeed
< 1422707889 463395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sikanauta" is an alternative term.
< 1422707934 857317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the original was beef-only, hence the name.
< 1422707935 281529 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, now I'm wondering why nöt is used for cows, nötkött, nötkreatur and so on. After all nöt on its own means nut
< 1422707952 658244 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1422707966 201032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION munges url into https non-mobile
< 1422707999 697915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh google translate actually calls it "spam"
< 1422708027 331523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess spam is pork-only? I think it's otherwise quite similar though.
< 1422708161 67796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was what the page said.
< 1422708198 894524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't read it all the way through.
< 1422708264 131652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hm there's a norwegian word "naut" which means cattle or stupid person
< 1422708290 116573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although "nøtt" means nut
< 1422708317 54706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minestrone soup (from a bag), with the minced meat in the recipe replaced with "nötkötti", was one of our staples.
< 1422708347 913658 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, interesting
< 1422708367 233606 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, nöt can also be used to mean stupid person
< 1422708376 192394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, i think naut is hardly ever used as a non-insult these days
< 1422708449 142909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly not as part of food descriptions
< 1422708477 433760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish "nauta" (cow or bull, often in compounds) is clearly from the same roots.
< 1422708513 692234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the word "fe" which _is_ used in food descriptions, also means stupid person.
< 1422708522 186025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor cows
< 1422708596 30132 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taktentus14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41782&oldid=41734 5* 0346.112.181.141 5* (+37) 10binary
< 1422708604 54946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(usually it's used in the form "storfe", presumably to avoid saying that the meat is cow rather than ox)
< 1422708671 208584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it actually _is_ ox meat, that may be marked.
< 1422708737 76842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think.  a bit hearsay as i've not paid attention to it myself.
< 1422708875 582985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot remember the norwegian brandname or colloquial word for hermetized meat.  i don't think i've had it for decades.
< 1422708929 624383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there's a strange visual of something like it in the back of my mind, so i think my childhood contained some of it.
< 1422709392 859532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia seems to be missing a "List of the Spam-equivalents of different countries" article, or at least I didn't quickly find it.
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< 1422712829 391048 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Danish have the canned ham, which is pretty much the same stuff as Spam, just usually less salty/fatty IME.
< 1422712835 362259 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I loved getting that stuff as a kid.
< 1422712863 737894 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used to get charity food boxes at Christmas from the VFD and someone in the neighborhood always stuck a can of Danish ham in there.
< 1422713140 517551 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcanello. In My Epinion?
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< 1422713231 15050 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like grilled spam on top of ramen.
< 1422713335 521599 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Experience.
< 1422713357 805560 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FirelloFly. thanks.
< 1422713373 91479 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohily
< 1422713405 199107 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohilyou'rewelcome
< 1422713426 42334 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, doesn't work very well
< 1422713520 552953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :polysynthetic greetings
< 1422713621 567123 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I'm a big fan of spam sushi and spam fried rice. :D 
< 1422713686 634063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do you like green eggs and spam?
< 1422713727 606593 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like green eggs and spam
< 1422713734 78987 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like them, oh-er-jan
< 1422713795 725787 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: you hawaiian :P
< 1422713820 443253 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :naw. but that is where I got the idea, by way of Bourdain.
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< 1422713897 719884 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: have you tried salted fish fried rice?
< 1422713905 418821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :plausible http://www.spamjamhawaii.com/
< 1422713917 182243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although there are other spam festivals...)
< 1422713936 744310 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I have not. Sounds tasty.
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< 1422714077 41136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly just one other, hm
< 1422714095 342027 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: it's the kind of dish that the more it stinks, the tastier it is.
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< 1422716897 2766 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1422716989 155304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'day
< 1422717005 937186 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey
< 1422717071 360196 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it this fine saturday afternoon
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< 1422717562 958430 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: QUINTHELLOPIAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
< 1422718121 930250 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello from arrecife lanzarote
< 1422718138 874710 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to go back to the ship soon
< 1422718154 777487 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but feel free to invite me next time you vacation
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< 1422720749 536217 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working on a C# tutorial, and starting to realize why the comparison point is usually Java here ...
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< 1422721019 289256 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At this point the project does little more than make a window appear with some text in it, yet I've at this point completely lost count of the number of files in the solution, in part just because many of them are obscured.
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< 1422724269 968147 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker NICK :SopaXorzTaker
< 1422726127 451829 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unicode ᴴᴰ
< 1422726127 999128 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1422726132 862920 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unidecode ᴴᴰ
< 1422726133 225382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1422726136 973774 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unidecode ᴴᴰ
< 1422726149 333734 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unidecode ᴴᴰ
< 1422726257 302040 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ᴴᴰ
< 1422726260 195268 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1D34 MODIFIER LETTER CAPITAL H] [U+1D30 MODIFIER LETTER CAPITAL D]
< 1422726559 596544 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modifier letter? Glah
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< 1422729285 199460 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
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< 1422733251 244992 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, there are modifier letters? What do they do?
< 1422733412 998149 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :not_myself
< 1422733438 248659 :not_myself!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
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< 1422734511 928432 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no idea
< 1422734682 636717 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O https://projecteuler.net/problem=500
< 1422734718 747661 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane, yay number theory>
< 1422734942 444441 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane, I've often thought that Project Euler is less about programming and more about number theory
< 1422734953 2344 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Number theory and combinatorics mostly
< 1422735015 119229 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: this would explain why Racket is the easiest language to solve Euler problems in that I've found (besides maybe Haskell): It has a built in number-theory library ...
< 1422735108 655581 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane, ooh, I didn't realise this
< 1422735390 100553 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422735408 471763 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :50% of PE problems require a prime sieve
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< 1422735536 523036 :shikhin_!~shikhin@120.56.225.54 QUIT :Changing host
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< 1422735555 955683 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But PE is rather strange. A lot of the problems (at least the first 270, I stopped solving them after that) are designed to be solved without requiring larger than 64bit integers. And some tasks are number-crunching so much that it's hard to solve them in 1 minute in Haskell, and much easier in C.
< 1422735628 101169 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. s/270/230/, though I've still looked at the problems for a while after that.
< 1422735736 731345 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1422735783 455215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stopped at... 100? 200? Something like that.
< 1422736051 848886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: AIUI, letter that doesn't have it's own sound but modifies some other letter. IPA has them, for example.
< 1422736067 581257 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius
< 1422736109 405588 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1422736175 647609 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
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< 1422736897 682375 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: AUI? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AUI_%28constructed_language%29
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< 1422740006 790823 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=1176#comic , why is the model Moon so small compared to the model Earth? Could Superman not find models of the same scale?
< 1422740345 818316 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/thiagopnts/groot
< 1422740550 778730 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :141 lines to write Hello World.
< 1422740585 614528 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's still lighter than the c# tutorial I'm working on, which so far can only manage to put some numbers up in a window.
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< 1422741082 472497 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSleep
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< 1422745238 63255 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lovely.
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< 1422747491 857328 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, oerjan. Mind if I ask a question?
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< 1422747523 226703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1422747535 835761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can neither confirm nor deny that
< 1422747556 783989 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure you could. Anyways.
< 1422747608 821208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i predict the answer is: no, i wasn't there, and you cannot prove anything.
< 1422747610 4690 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been looking Thue, and I was wondering if there are any Thue like languages without the non-determinism.
< 1422747625 171840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: /// is deterministic
< 1422747629 149996 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :biased thue
< 1422747662 603027 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does /// have all the basic operations of Thue?
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< 1422747707 718288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as such
< 1422747720 499378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itflabtijtslwi is /// with input
< 1422747721 367406 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, /// is self modifying right? I mean it can add and subtrack pattern and replacement strings?
< 1422747734 578788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very self modifying
< 1422747754 83677 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do that with Thue?
< 1422747754 251705 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :packrat thue
< 1422747760 91796 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xvrdrwrtjrpnsmmv QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1422747776 178036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thue doesn't modify its own program
< 1422747793 431109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm might Prolog count
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< 1422747831 774965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's AST rather than string replacement, essentially, but it's usually deterministic.
< 1422747839 758985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it also has backtracking
< 1422747854 11800 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backtracking?
< 1422747861 99750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eodermdrome is graph replacement but that's nondeterministic too
< 1422747889 512273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolog backtracks if a clause fails
< 1422747922 664894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but applying a single clause is sort of like replacement
< 1422747934 738872 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not familiar with prolog at all. Functional language?
< 1422747939 156548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :logical
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< 1422747977 888576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it's primitive operation is term unification
< 1422747981 245171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its
< 1422748018 106235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less the same kind of unification that haskell/ml uses for type inference
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< 1422748064 806448 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is basically just a fancy string rewriter, with some arithmetic, right?
< 1422748078 709246 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say right, but I'm guessing.
< 1422748078 853885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm...
< 1422748090 931512 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422748098 772916 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guessing badly...
< 1422748113 99295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can _implement_ haskell with tree rewriting.
< 1422748130 818651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very efficient, but it's an old technique
< 1422748134 604854 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1422748168 542972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, graph rewriting probably, you have cycles...
< 1422748180 298853 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true for a lot of languages.
< 1422748180 443453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you want to be _completely_ inefficient.
< 1422748202 657196 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the nature of string rewriting.
< 1422748242 206698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractran could be considered number rewriting :)
< 1422748250 557528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also completely deterministic
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< 1422748257 463004 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been playing around with the Yad interpreter. And I just thought it odd that's there seems to be no named Markov like esolangs.
< 1422748278 251948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a markov like esolang
< 1422748340 951298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you think about markov
< 1422748341 96092 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i, myself, will bring an end to all. ghosts lurk in the ruins were in truth, and everything in readiness for fnord. under these to tristan d'acunha, a volcanic origin, a high, and was fnord him with his umbrella. " who can have patience to acquire it. just fnord" brutha. " do you know much about gods, i am no fighter:
< 1422748351 568816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1422748351 713505 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot* homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1422748358 930663 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_algorithm
< 1422748384 227387 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know that of course. I wasn't sure it was 'algorithm'.
< 1422748413 747418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :markov did a lot of stuff
< 1422748448 797415 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of those names that I'm starting to remember by osmosis.
< 1422748622 234803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess with thue already existing, implementing plain markov seems boring.
< 1422748653 56544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you're technically allowed to implement thue as if it were markov
< 1422748729 781887 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had difficulty with forcing the order of thue's rule execution.
< 1422748751 220082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the reverse
< 1422748751 439789 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a bigger alphabet might help that.
< 1422748776 952247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm saying that a deterministic thue implementation is legal.