00:00:53 Is it the thing where he suddenly bans you from the channel? 00:01:09 Not that the other thing ;---; 00:01:14 I'm not banning anybody 00:01:27 nvm Elliott that eolus is a fake 00:01:36 elliott is so polite these days 00:01:40 it's a dead client connecting, from the looks of it 00:01:44 it's from irccloud at least 00:02:05 did int-e get a message then? 00:02:21 I dunno. 00:03:01 I mean I got messages but nothing private. Err... 00:03:25 what? 00:03:41 it won't let me join from irc cloud ;-; 00:03:54 fresh batch of frownies 00:04:01 Sorry, I can't help milking a dead horse for puns. 00:04:06 Or mixing metaphors. 00:06:09 -!- SirCmpwn has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:06:11 hhh 00:06:15 metap-horses 00:06:24 IT SPEAKS 00:06:34 that was me 00:06:47 spooky 00:06:48 for some reason its faded on irc cloud 00:07:01 then it doesn't register as sent through 00:07:07 -!- SirCmpwn has joined. 00:07:17 but here It is 00:08:07 :Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable 00:08:35 this is what happens when I Try to log into that account 00:08:37 oerjan: Too bad the pronunciation doesn't work out: "When I see a bad pun I just nod and simile." 00:09:50 Lilax: you need to send "recover nick password" to nickserv in that case 00:09:52 (it's really annoying) 00:10:23 -!- FireFly has quit (Changing host). 00:10:23 -!- FireFly has joined. 00:10:26 what's the cmd 00:10:48 it looks like /pv nickserv or /query nickserv 00:10:53 (/pv?? what a weird client) 00:11:51 also /quote nickserv ... (communication with services often has builtin support in the IRC server, so "nickserv" and "chanserv" work as IRC commands) 00:13:33 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 00:13:53 nope 00:13:58 sorry, elliott seems to have read some actual client documentation... 00:14:08 /pv ... hmm. 00:14:24 PriVate? 00:14:34 int-e: that's cheating! 00:14:52 I 00:14:54 PerVerted 00:14:59 dislike everything 00:16:03 -!- Lilax has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:16:07 does that include chocolate? 00:16:26 oops 00:18:31 oh, "ten cent tents" can be parsed two ways. 00:20:28 -!- Lilax has joined. 00:20:51 -!- Lilax has changed nick to Guest92557. 00:21:39 -!- Tritonio has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:21:54 I hate this clienr 00:23:15 -!- adu has joined. 00:23:38 http://www.twogag.com/archives/1887 00:23:45 [wiki] [[Al Dente]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41801&oldid=41775 * 98.243.16.185 * (+2691) Add some illustrative examples 00:24:49 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:27:10 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 00:27:31 My Lilax account will expire in 30 days if another Lilax comes in here or anyone named after me and my nicks itz not me 00:27:35 So yea 00:27:39 bye for a year 00:27:51 o/ bye guys 00:27:57 -!- Guest92557 has quit (Quit: Guest92557). 00:28:17 -!- Guest92557 has joined. 00:28:18 stop it client 00:28:39 there is no escape 00:28:45 use a hammer or a brick 00:28:47 nuu 00:28:52 bye!! 00:28:59 glad to help 00:30:49 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 00:32:55 what have I missed? 00:33:23 -!- Guest92557 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:33:34 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:33:35 oh the usual, frustration, hatred, and outbreaks of outbursts. 00:38:46 -!- shikhin_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:45:21 c'mon. 00:50:00 cinnamon. 00:50:25 -!- ais523 has quit. 01:05:03 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 01:07:35 -!- ^v^v has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:08:00 -!- ^v^v has joined. 01:10:02 -!- blockzombie has joined. 01:10:51 I'm looking at Forth and some legit esolangs like False, True and Dup. 01:11:31 might add Underload then 01:11:32 I'd like to evolve and optimise algorithms using a GA 01:11:36 underload eh? 01:11:50 another concatenative one 01:11:58 oh yeah joy is on my list too 01:12:32 I'm not so much going for absurdity but I would like to enable self-modifying code 01:12:39 -!- tswett2 has joined. 01:13:07 Do all these have separate program memory from the stack? 01:13:52 Hmm, what exactly is self-modifying code? Is the lambda calculus self-modifying? 01:14:02 -!- tromp_ has joined. 01:14:07 yeah it is 01:14:13 well there's the control/return stack too, at least 01:14:22 (don't know about True and Dup) 01:14:39 ok in that case underload is also self-modifying 01:14:53 I think the practical matter of self-modification is reaching into program data and reading constants and references 01:15:08 and joy, too. 01:15:37 yeah but the stack and the symbol table are disconnected right? 01:15:48 -!- tswett has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 01:16:01 well underload has no symbol table 01:16:11 I'd like to have a small instruction set but I'm aware of the turing tarpit quote from perlis 01:16:18 I'll have to check underload 01:17:34 woah that looks cute 01:18:57 ^ul (Underload! )(~:S:^):^ 01:19:07 oops no fungot 01:19:16 so there's "the program" memory 01:19:25 and the ^ pops into it 01:19:39 so it appends? 01:19:47 oh inserts 01:20:07 you can also think of it as rewriting the program 01:20:11 wow I'm going to have to think about this 01:20:19 yeah I see that. I like the genericity 01:20:33 that's really 01:20:35 nice 01:23:24 thanks for the tip oerjan 01:23:30 you're welcome 01:24:10 so awesome there's a compiler written in redcode 01:24:19 interpreter 01:26:57 nice... scala underload compiler that compiles scala 01:27:09 i wrote one in emmental, which btw is a self-modifying language where you modify the language _itself_. so my interpreter works by turning it into underload 01:27:24 oh and that's also stacky 01:27:56 -!- tswett3 has joined. 01:28:03 yeah which 01:28:12 is not always awesome on jvm 01:28:32 i meant emmental 01:28:36 sorry my enter key is overexcited 01:28:44 enmental... 01:29:03 good name 01:29:11 a bit cheesy 01:29:20 I might need to let that soak in 01:29:47 is the interpreter loaded into the program space? 01:30:29 i recall that you cannot really use the jvm stack directly for a stack language because the type checker won't accept it... 01:30:51 what I'd love is a language where I can build crossover functions for a GA where the genotype corresponds to a program 01:30:57 -!- shikhin has joined. 01:31:25 You can't use the stack directly in java but the real problem is there is no tail-call optimisation yet 01:31:33 -!- tswett2 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 01:31:35 so relying on recursion has limits 01:32:03 clojure provides (recurse ) 01:33:06 jvm is dayjob-compliant ... 01:33:21 wat 01:34:06 doesn't that give you nightmares though? 01:34:29 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:35:19 is the interpreter loaded into the program space? <-- not sure what you mean 01:36:10 the official interpreter has a table from command characters to commands, essentially, which some of the commands update 01:40:23 -!- heroux has joined. 01:42:56 the type of that table is called Interpreter 01:47:03 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 01:55:46 -!- tswett3 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 01:58:14 * oerjan is reminded by blockzombie's nick to check up on bitcoin 01:58:26 seems to still be slowly falling 02:07:25 price is crazy 02:07:51 the price is not much affected by news on fundamentals at the moment 02:08:07 it is mostly margin traders pushing it around 02:08:22 they love the volatility... hedge funds are moving in now 02:08:39 so we're likely to see a major drop before the next bubble 02:09:03 definitely look into the tech though. 02:09:42 int-e: not sure which nightmares you mean 02:10:13 nighmares about dayjobs, i assume 02:10:16 *+t 02:10:41 oerjan: i was asking whether you modify the language itself by having the program loaded in as a kind of #include for the interpreter and then self-modification === modifying the language 02:10:50 oerjan: oh no jvm is not so bad 02:11:00 java is pretty uninspiring 02:11:08 scala and clojure are fun 02:11:26 might try haskell properly this year 02:11:31 I do get to play with stuff 02:11:36 well the emmental interpreter is in haskell 02:11:50 rather basic haskell in fact 02:12:09 (if i had written it it would have used a lot more higher order functions and monads) 02:12:17 I'm convinced haskell is awesome.. I've looked at it just not really got my hands dirty 02:12:45 did you not write it? 02:12:56 -!- shikhin_ has joined. 02:13:10 no, chris pressey is the author of both the language and the interpreter 02:13:22 i wrote the underload interpreter in emmental 02:13:56 ooooh 02:13:59 mad 02:16:09 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 02:16:10 actually i generated it with haskell, here's the program for that http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/emmental/EmmUnl.hs 02:17:25 looks like pretty tricky stuff to me 02:17:45 -!- Guest80873 has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 02:18:19 and this is the output?: http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/emmental/ul.emm 02:19:39 -!- Lymia has joined. 02:21:39 I guess what I'm trying to figure out is what program representation poses the easiest crossover function. If you're familiar with GA you wan to "breed" two programs and ideally preserve implementation features from each program 02:23:00 it seems very easy to end up with a situation like disassembling two clocks into a bag, shaking it and tipping out half. What you end up with is not much like a working clock - least one that shares much with either "parent" 02:23:44 I'm familiar with evolving corewar warriors 02:26:51 i don't have any real experience with GA 02:27:01 -!- PinealGlandOptic has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:27:47 i was just looking at my own haskell program there, i had forgotten a lot of the trickiness. also it was the first time i tried using lens. 02:33:58 blockzombie: maybe you could use something like chromosomes... 02:34:43 where your combined program parts are chosen from corresponding parts of the originals 02:35:50 it works to make living organisms have a good chance of still working, anyhow 02:38:02 yeah but the mapping of parts has to be chosen 02:38:11 so what constitutes a part? 02:38:27 in underload terms 02:38:53 if there were modules then you could have intra and inter module variations 02:39:05 with different change coefficients 02:39:38 I like the idea. Is underload eqipped for this? 02:39:52 presumably a part would be a sequence of commands... 02:40:21 well i assume you would have to keep track of the parts outside underload. 02:41:29 underload doesn't have much in the way of analyzing its own subprograms. 02:41:58 in a safe way, anyway. 02:41:59 yeah so part boundaries is what we're talking about. 02:42:43 I expect that something like 95% needs to be junk dna 02:42:50 heh 02:43:00 I think this is how mutation levels are insulated against 02:43:08 that's a bit troublesome on a stack, actually. 02:43:17 "junk dna" is a misnomer 02:43:40 because how does the non-junk find its data if the stack is filled with junk 02:43:58 -!- PinealGlandOptic has joined. 02:44:01 well, you do have nops i guess 02:44:11 ()! is the simplest 02:44:13 yeah well I'm not saying the stack is filled with junk, but the program is 02:44:45 the key is it's not clear which is junk and which is useful... that's up to the tree of future generations 02:44:47 well badly constructed junk would tend to seep onto the stack :P 02:44:58 oerjan: that is OK in theory 02:45:15 most dna is uncompetitive 02:45:49 but if I had a RISC cpu emulator instead of underload would I be any better off? 02:45:54 that's what I'm trying to decide 02:46:27 it might be that a language that keeps most of its data on the stack is unsuited to GA :( 02:46:29 the first step is what set of producible programs are valid/executable 02:46:50 if that is the case then I will use something else 02:46:52 because junk then gets in the way 02:47:16 I was considering n-stacks 02:47:52 like pointers to stacks, also potentially a symbol table of sorts 02:48:09 so there's be a random lookup mechanism to keep parts and their data connected 02:48:35 but the flip side is you want to enable code to read randomly because that's an essential combining effect 02:49:07 the good news is I only really need numeric types and I don't need any output 02:49:27 I can just halt and use the top of the stack as the "result" 02:49:40 really only need a binary or ternary output 02:49:51 maybe a scalar 02:50:04 thinking aloud here 02:51:08 reconsidering I think output is overkill... just use memory state at halt 03:08:57 the reason I like the stack is because you can get away from having loads of abitrary operands. maybe the existence of operands is better than the alternative: long chains of stack manipulation code 03:09:15 I'm in this channel because I can't figure this out 03:09:19 yet 03:11:07 -!- dianne has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 03:13:16 -!- dianne has joined. 03:36:09 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Well, good luck). 04:16:01 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 04:44:41 -!- shikhin_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 04:53:28 -!- MDude has changed nick to MDream. 04:57:39 -!- nys has quit (Quit: quit). 04:57:39 -!- blockzombie has quit. 05:00:15 -!- AndoDaan_ has joined. 05:03:12 -!- _AndoDaan_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 05:04:19 -!- GeekDude has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:04:50 -!- _AndoDaan_ has joined. 05:08:47 -!- AndoDaan_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 05:12:04 Must've got it. 05:49:18 -!- AndoDaan_ has joined. 05:52:07 -!- _AndoDaan_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 05:53:45 -!- AndoDaan_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:57:13 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 06:07:52 -!- adu has joined. 06:34:32 -!- AndoDaan_ has joined. 06:34:33 -!- AndoDaan_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:35:25 -!- AndoDaan has joined. 06:41:27 -!- AndoDaan has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 07:32:06 -!- Patashu has joined. 07:38:39 -!- AndoDaan has joined. 07:40:11 I was thinking of adding (more thinking about thinking of adding) a new catergory to the wiki. Esoteric languages usable on Anarchy Golf. 07:41:06 What would you guys think. It's one of the few (only) places you can program in bonafide esolangs where it's of some - competative - use. 07:41:55 And I came to esolangs via Anarchy Golf. I might not be the only one. 08:02:45 That doesn't seem useful because it depends on the whim of the anagol administrator; it could have anywhere from ten languages to the entire intersection of TC and Implemented 08:03:31 You could make it a list article instead. Then you can also add content which would not fit in a category page. 08:03:51 True. Good input. And that's a great idea. 08:07:12 Now I just have get over my natural ability to write stubby wiki articles. 08:39:10 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 09:05:00 -!- AndoDaan has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 09:05:03 -!- AndoDaan_ has joined. 09:22:57 -!- augur has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 09:23:22 -!- ^v^v has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:23:45 -!- ^v^v has joined. 09:24:30 -!- supay|zzZZ has quit. 09:25:04 -!- supay has joined. 09:40:43 -!- augur has joined. 10:14:49 -!- AndoDaan_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 10:15:56 -!- Tritonio has joined. 11:17:27 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 11:23:05 -!- boily has joined. 11:27:23 -!- AndoDaan has joined. 11:29:02 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 11:33:52 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Elboza * New user account 11:43:08 [wiki] [[Brainfuck-ng]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41802 * Elboza * (+28767) Created page with "{{featured language}} {{infobox proglang |name=brainfuck |paradigms=imperative |author=[[Urban Müller]] |year=[[:Category:1993|1993]] |memsys=tape-based |dimensions=one-dimen..." 11:45:56 [wiki] [[Brainfuck-ng]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41803&oldid=41802 * Elboza * (+14) 11:58:52 -!- Tritonio has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:09:30 [wiki] [[Brainfuck-ng]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41804&oldid=41803 * Elboza * (-24847) 12:12:02 [wiki] [[Brainfuck-ng]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41805&oldid=41804 * Elboza * (-42) /* Hello, World! */ 12:12:24 [wiki] [[Brainfuck-ng]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41806&oldid=41805 * Elboza * (+3) /* Language overview */ 12:12:25 -!- heroux has joined. 12:13:19 -!- Tefaj has joined. 12:13:49 [wiki] [[Brainfuck-ng]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41807&oldid=41806 * Elboza * (-586) /* History */ 12:14:04 -!- tromp__ has joined. 12:15:04 -!- Vorpal_ has joined. 12:15:36 Um. 12:15:50 I'm not seeing the "-ng" part, I think. 12:16:06 -!- PinealGl1ndOptic has joined. 12:17:14 * Taneb has a place to live next year almos 12:17:15 t 12:19:48 fizzie: I think it's some kind of wip hth 12:19:55 -!- trnv2 has joined. 12:20:00 Taneb: Tanelle. moving away from York? 12:20:30 boily, no, but my housemates are dispersing 12:20:34 So I needed somewhere else 12:20:49 -!- contrapumpkin has joined. 12:20:55 -!- PinealGlandOptic has quit (*.net *.split). 12:20:55 -!- copumpkin has quit (*.net *.split). 12:20:55 -!- Vorpal has quit (*.net *.split). 12:20:55 -!- tromp has quit (*.net *.split). 12:20:55 -!- trn has quit (*.net *.split). 12:20:55 -!- variable has quit (*.net *.split). 12:20:55 -!- paul2520 has quit (*.net *.split). 12:20:55 -!- Jafet has quit (*.net *.split). 12:21:02 So I'm moving into private student halls 12:21:08 -!- Tefaj has changed nick to Jafet. 12:21:16 -!- Jafet has left. 12:23:21 Taneb: so it goes. 12:23:52 -!- boily has quit (Quit: ABRIDGED CHICKEN). 12:24:15 Which means I'm paying what I am now for rent but it includes utilities 12:24:32 -!- AndoDaan has quit (Quit: Off to find the mythical clitoris.). 12:25:45 elliott: Some men in Finland packed up the computers the other day. 12:26:15 elliott: Apparently they had also made disparaging comments about the amount of computers, and the weight of the monitor. 12:26:27 -!- trnv2 has changed nick to trn. 12:28:46 -!- paul2520 has joined. 12:29:41 -!- paul2520 has changed nick to Guest56395. 12:39:22 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 12:40:06 -!- variable has joined. 12:40:06 -!- variable has quit (Changing host). 12:40:06 -!- variable has joined. 12:43:49 So come July probably I will be slightly further east than my current location 12:57:28 Oooh, Conor McBride is doing a seminar on dependent types in half an hour 12:57:32 I should go 13:02:29 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Mazeman * New user account 13:09:43 -!- GeekDude has joined. 13:13:58 -!- Guest56395 has changed nick to paul2520. 13:14:29 -!- paul2520 has changed nick to Guest22773. 13:14:50 -!- Guest22773 has changed nick to paul2520. 13:15:15 -!- paul2520 has quit (Changing host). 13:15:15 -!- paul2520 has joined. 13:22:04 [wiki] [[Mice in a maze]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41808 * Mazeman * (+2180) Created page with "'''Mice in a maze''' is another brainfuck derivative. It was invented in 2015 by an anonymous user. Mice in a maze was inspired by items called cellular automata, especially C..." 13:22:42 [wiki] [[Language list]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41809&oldid=41796 * Mazeman * (+21) /* M */ 13:23:28 [wiki] [[Mice in a maze]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41810&oldid=41808 * Mazeman * (+6) /* Defining a maze */ 13:23:49 [wiki] [[Mice in a maze]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41811&oldid=41810 * Mazeman * (+7) /* Defining a maze */ 13:24:15 [wiki] [[Mice in a maze]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41812&oldid=41811 * Mazeman * (-6) /* Defining a maze */ 13:24:41 [wiki] [[Mice in a maze]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41813&oldid=41812 * Mazeman * (+0) /* Basics */ 13:26:15 [wiki] [[Mice in a maze]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41814&oldid=41813 * Mazeman * (+145) /* Syntax */ 13:26:28 [wiki] [[Mice in a maze]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41815&oldid=41814 * Mazeman * (+1) /* = Example maze */ 13:27:04 [wiki] [[Mice in a maze]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41816&oldid=41815 * Mazeman * (+0) /* Instructions */ 13:29:11 [wiki] [[Mice in a maze]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41817&oldid=41816 * Mazeman * (+104) /* Instructions */ 13:29:27 [wiki] [[Mice in a maze]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41818&oldid=41817 * Mazeman * (+0) /* Defining a maze */ 13:30:56 [wiki] [[Mice in a maze]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41819&oldid=41818 * Mazeman * (+7) /* Example maze */ 13:31:23 -!- ^v^v has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:31:55 -!- ^v^v has joined. 13:40:31 [wiki] [[Mice in a maze]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41820&oldid=41819 * TomPN * (+430) /* Example programs */ 13:43:08 [wiki] [[Brainfuck-ng]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41821&oldid=41807 * Elboza * (-76) 13:45:12 [wiki] [[Brainfuck-ng]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41822&oldid=41821 * Elboza * (+0) 14:01:25 [wiki] [[Brainfuck-ng]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41823&oldid=41822 * Elboza * (+727) 14:02:48 [wiki] [[Brainfuck-ng]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41824&oldid=41823 * Elboza * (+12) /* ReverseFuck mode */ 14:05:00 [wiki] [[Brainfuck-ng]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41825&oldid=41824 * Elboza * (+74) /* ReverseFuck mode */ 14:06:16 [wiki] [[Brainfuck-ng]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41826&oldid=41825 * Elboza * (+34) /* ReverseFuck mode */ 14:07:34 [wiki] [[Brainfuck-ng]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41827&oldid=41826 * Elboza * (+0) 14:08:51 [wiki] [[Brainfuck-ng]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41828&oldid=41827 * Elboza * (+18) 14:13:18 [wiki] [[Brainfuck-ng]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41829&oldid=41828 * Elboza * (+9) 14:17:22 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:23:09 -!- nys has joined. 14:23:59 -!- MDream has changed nick to MDude. 14:39:23 -!- oerjan has joined. 14:46:48 -!- shikhin has joined. 14:49:00 -!- oerjan has set topic: What is the land-speed velocity of a migrating fungot? | reaking ubbles and ursting arriers | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/. 14:50:21 * oerjan isn't sure whether "unladen" would be better or worse 14:56:03 -!- Tritonio has joined. 14:56:54 -!- skj3gg has joined. 15:01:59 -!- `^_^v has joined. 15:04:17 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 15:07:28 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 15:09:48 argh testing if my stomach had got well enough to drink orange juice again was a mistake. 15:12:16 (the test results were "no") 15:16:58 hm the keyboard controls of tatham's Bridges are somewhat annoying, you cannot always easily undo a wrong cursor movement 15:18:01 because it's too easy to jump away from a node that's hard to get back to 15:26:04 which might be fine for a different kind of game, but here navigation isn't supposed to be the real puzzle... 15:26:08 hmm, no java plugin here. 15:26:56 int-e: if you're looking at tatham's puzzles, i think there's also js versions? (i'm playing the offline downloaded versions) 15:28:45 (i'm not really assuming you're talking about that, mind you) 15:28:54 ah it's Hashiwokakero. 15:29:35 lots of tatham's puzzles are renamed nikoli puzzles, i think 15:29:38 oerjan: I googled, and the first hit was the java version. 15:29:46 even sudoku got a different name 15:31:18 -!- skj3gg has quit (Quit: ZZZzzz…). 15:33:34 -!- adu has joined. 15:34:09 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 15:39:40 hmm, I seem to be too used to Nikoli's interface (which doesn't have the feature of locking completed nodes, but marks them in gray, and which allows removing bridges by clicking on them.) 15:45:19 -!- Tritonio_ has joined. 15:46:01 right, removing a single bridge is a litle awkward 15:47:28 unless you just added it, then "u"ndo works of course 15:47:33 *+t 15:49:22 -!- Tritonio has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 15:50:41 -!- Tritonio_ has changed nick to Tritonio. 15:57:48 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Intgr * New user account 16:00:13 int-e: is that you, but more grammatical? 16:00:54 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 16:01:40 -!- adu has joined. 16:03:15 oerjan: seems unlikely 16:03:42 ic 16:04:15 wow, the keyboard *navigation* for the bridges thing is awkward... 16:04:33 that's what i was saying duh 16:06:01 you can get used to it, but don't make any typing mistakes... 16:06:07 -!- adu has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 16:08:12 and there are always the "how the f do i get to there" moments 16:09:05 -!- rsal has joined. 16:09:24 what's this all about? 16:09:36 tatham's Bridges puzzle 16:10:05 which int-e has pointed out is a version of nikoli's Hashiwokakero 16:10:58 oerjan: I see, but that's not how I understood your complaint at first. (Personally I don't really find myself wanting to undo much; however I do find myself pressing cursor keys randomly to get to a nearby-but-not-adjacent spot.) 16:11:44 yeah that just doesn't work... 16:12:13 I see 16:13:07 undo is _very_ nice when you realize you've made a mistake a while ago 16:14:34 although i sometimes end up carefully undoing each step, checking if it was actually certain, getting back to the beginning of the game, winding forward and discovering my second to last step was fishier than it looked at first recheck 16:16:17 the unlimited undo mechanism is common to all of tatham's puzzles, of course. 16:17:32 what did i do wrong _now_ 16:20:42 [wiki] [[Brainfuck-ng]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41830&oldid=41829 * Elboza * (+1765) 16:21:16 -!- adu has joined. 16:32:26 [wiki] [[Brainfuck-ng]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41831&oldid=41830 * Elboza * (+424) 16:35:55 oerjan: hmm, the javascript version gets stuck from time to time for me, refusing to process further events :/ 16:37:30 [wiki] [[Brainfuck-ng]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41832&oldid=41831 * Elboza * (+174) 16:37:52 oh. "Cannot enlarge memory arrays." ... apparently 30x30 is too much for the thing. 16:39:05 [wiki] [[Brainfuck-ng]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41833&oldid=41832 * Elboza * (+0) 16:41:08 [wiki] [[Brainfuck-ng]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41834&oldid=41833 * Elboza * (+4) 16:43:41 [wiki] [[Brainfuck-ng]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41835&oldid=41834 * Elboza * (+12) 16:44:07 my best friend might be getting a job in finland 16:44:35 how is the economy in finland these days? 16:45:01 -!- mihow has joined. 16:46:09 Not good. 16:46:28 It's all relative, of course. 16:46:46 But I think Finland is technically still in a "slump". 16:47:22 -!- skj3gg has joined. 16:48:11 http://www.oecd.org/economy/surveys/economic-survey-finland.htm and I don't think things have improved terribly much since that was updated. 16:48:49 int-e: you don't have to use the web interface, there are native compiled versions you can download if you want. 16:49:26 [wiki] [[Web framework list]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41836 * Intgr * (+678) List of esoteric web application frameworks. Most of these are fully functional web frameworks that aren't about making the coder's life easier. Often they are a response to the hype wave surrounding some technologies (such as Ruby on Rails). 16:50:57 oerjan: I know, but couldn't be bothered. The generated problems don't look all that interesting. 16:51:04 [wiki] [[Web framework list]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41837&oldid=41836 * Intgr * (-55) Not a functional framework 16:51:40 -!- Lymia has joined. 16:52:20 oerjan: (I'm actually still at work.) 16:53:16 Bridges doesn't seem to generate very hard problems. although i recall it used to be even worse. 16:53:19 Otoh I missed the source code in my previous visits to that website 16:54:15 oerjan: increasing the size to 30x30 seemed to help a little. But of course then it becomes tedious to get to the few non-trivial conclusions. 16:54:28 fizzie: nice (Re: computers) 16:54:29 *re: 16:55:59 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:02:03 -!- skj3gg has quit (Quit: ZZZzzz…). 17:04:00 -!- Koen_ has joined. 17:04:18 -!- Koen_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:04:59 -!- Koen_ has joined. 17:07:58 [wiki] [[Talk:Web framework list]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41838 * Intgr * (+870) Background for creating this pagfe 17:08:30 [wiki] [[Web framework list]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41839&oldid=41837 * Intgr * (-98) Per discussion at [[Talk:Cobol on Cogs]], it's just a joke and not real working software 17:09:34 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 17:16:12 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Quit: gtg). 17:18:57 -!- TieWorking has changed nick to TieSoul. 17:28:43 -!- oren has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 17:30:46 -!- skj3gg has joined. 17:45:46 -!- oren has joined. 17:48:56 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Quit: Leaving). 17:49:18 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 17:52:46 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 17:52:56 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 17:53:23 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 17:53:23 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 17:54:15 -!- ^v^v has quit (Quit: Network ban). 17:54:31 -!- ^v has joined. 17:57:52 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:57:57 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 17:58:17 -!- MoALTz has joined. 18:01:20 -!- ^v has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:01:46 -!- ^v has joined. 18:08:36 -!- shikhin_ has joined. 18:11:22 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:13:06 -!- shikhin_ has changed nick to shikhin. 18:18:16 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: Koen_). 18:25:26 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 18:29:10 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:42:44 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 18:45:44 -!- idris-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:46:55 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 18:48:57 -!- Melvar has joined. 18:49:59 -!- idris-bot has joined. 18:51:34 -!- mitchs has joined. 18:54:03 -!- mitchs_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 19:07:08 -!- skj3gg has quit (Quit: ZZZzzz…). 19:12:17 -!- nortti has changed nick to lawspeaker. 19:14:06 -!- lawspeaker has changed nick to nortti. 19:31:08 -!- intgr has joined. 20:03:11 -!- Patashu has joined. 20:05:13 -!- oren has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 20:19:31 -!- perrier has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:20:45 -!- perrier has joined. 20:25:52 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:30:10 whoah: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/134672-harvard-cracks-dna-storage-crams-700-terabytes-of-data-into-a-single-gram 20:36:23 -!- nycs has joined. 20:38:01 that's amazing 20:38:32 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 20:40:28 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 20:40:58 but couldn't they use quaternary instead of binary? would make storage more dense, right? 20:42:26 like, A = 0, T = 1, C = 2, G = 3 20:42:49 I wonder why they didn't do that 20:59:04 -!- atehwa has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 20:59:56 -!- atehwa has joined. 21:26:50 -!- hjulle has joined. 21:29:54 [wiki] [[List of ideas]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41840&oldid=41525 * 69.166.47.107 * (+384) Rely on SSRI and say 'hi-ho' in the coffee shop. 21:31:03 i guess that would be missleading if you start reading the wrong helix 21:34:05 -!- MDude has joined. 21:37:45 [wiki] [[Brainfuck-ng]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41841&oldid=41835 * Elboza * (+72) 21:47:51 -!- skj3gg has joined. 21:48:13 -!- nycs has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 21:48:41 -!- `^_^v has joined. 21:55:48 tiesoul: even stranger that each binary value cknsists of both a purine and pyrimidine. you'd think it would easier to distinguish those from each other than those of the same shape 22:09:52 -!- skj3gg has quit (Quit: ZZZzzz…). 22:10:55 -!- skj3gg has joined. 22:13:56 -!- skj3gg has quit (Client Quit). 22:21:07 -!- adu has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 22:24:00 -!- skj3gg has joined. 22:27:13 -!- skj3gg has quit (Client Quit). 22:32:10 -!- AndoDaan has joined. 22:50:32 -!- hjulle has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 22:51:21 -!- monotone has quit (Quit: "I can hear myself... I think I'm a bit afraid."). 22:55:58 -!- tswett has joined. 22:59:00 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 22:59:44 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:10:17 Heh. Staring at a Javascript exercise unsure how to solve it, when some tinkering reveals you can more or less write point-free style in JS too, of a sort: function squareDigits(num){ return parseInt(num.toString().split("").map(function (x) { return x*x; }).join(""));} 23:12:22 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:14:12 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 23:15:09 -!- Koen_ has joined. 23:16:01 -!- Koen_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 23:16:19 -!- Koen_ has joined. 23:29:57 -!- Tritonio has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:31:51 -!- olsner has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 23:32:13 -!- olsner has joined. 23:40:09 -!- Lymia has joined. 23:46:38 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"). 23:52:14 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined.