< 1423958985 543262 :yorick!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1423959008 582231 :yorick!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl NICK :Guest20901 < 1423959236 964629 :Guest20901!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl QUIT :Client Quit < 1423959262 551630 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1423959288 542811 :yorick_!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1423959311 686329 :yorick_!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl NICK :Guest64625 < 1423959382 420523 :Guest64625!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl QUIT :Client Quit < 1423959412 61678 :yorick__!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1423959620 769542 :yorick__!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl QUIT :Changing host < 1423959621 12023 :yorick__!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1423959693 135512 :yorick__!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick NICK :yorick < 1423960161 54841 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to be going to Edinburgh the weekend after next < 1423960179 641361 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, why are train tickets to Edinburgh like twice as expensive as train tickets to Hexham? < 1423960190 331271 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it because Edinburgh is, in fact, twice as far away from here as Hexham? < 1423960198 303873 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's something to do with that, yeah < 1423960216 338461 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course there's also the customs duty on importing englishness < 1423960259 552659 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I allowed to protest that I am in fact only 50% English? < 1423960277 714283 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that relevant? < 1423960286 808905 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know < 1423960290 794664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you can ask < 1423960354 629040 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, price is generally roughly correlated with the length of travel yes. In most parts of the world at least. < 1423960414 958470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, google map's ui has got annoying < 1423960418 254063 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trains tend to be so empty after newcastle it wouldn't be unexpected if they charged less, though < 1423960434 346561 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I was mostly surprised at the price because I've ended up with an instinct for train ticket prices entirely based on the York <-> Hexham route < 1423960444 291893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i want to do is pan in such a way that i can see edinburgh, hexham and york simultaneously :( < 1423960465 961141 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Hexham is precisely the midpoint of the two cities < 1423960566 326772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no GM, when i double click on the map i _don't_ want you to zoom out to the whole UK < 1423960704 387840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the point of showing a smooth zooming if i cannot _stop_ it at an intermediate point < 1423960705 684180 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm more familiar with the edinburgh-midlands routes < 1423960730 996385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, if you've been very good this year and said the appropriate prayers, might be slightly under £60 < 1423961060 122495 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote cage < 1423961060 933657 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1423961072 168248 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help quote < 1423961072 411963 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote : Quote or a random person if no nick is given < 1423961088 154269 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, I think the quote I am after is on lambdabot and I do not know how to search < 1423961312 689093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote cage < 1423961312 934531 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. And you call yourself a Rocket Surgeon! < 1423961331 983573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1423961341 182400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote monoid < 1423961341 464998 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thermoplyae says: someone finally pointed out to me that a monad is an monoid-object in an endofunctor category i have no idea how i've never seen that before < 1423961347 906701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not just nicks < 1423961474 722163 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no, it was on HackEgo < 1423961487 27721 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about a cage with a lambda underneath used as a trap < 1423961490 8090 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote trap < 1423961494 346216 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :225) !bfjoust furry_furry_strapon_pegging_girls http://sprunge.us/eKWa * Sgeo had no idea that Gregor was hetero < 1423961508 705190 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1423961555 343330 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423961591 63352 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote cage.? < 1423961591 309399 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. I am sorry. < 1423961597 285993 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote cage.* < 1423961597 530704 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. :( < 1423961605 406644 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote .*cage < 1423961605 650845 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. I am sorry. < 1423961969 898054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote lambda < 1423961973 370427 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :103) Gregor-P: I don't think lambda calculus is powerful enough \ 332) [after a long string of Lymia getting lambdabot to spit out huge, meaningless type signatures] I need to learn more Haskell... ..I need to get op privs. \ 410) rest in peace lambdabot???? monqy: it'll probably be back later < 1423961990 754669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote lambda | tail -10 < 1423961991 842989 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :103) Gregor-P: I don't think lambda calculus is powerful enough \ 332) [after a long string of Lymia getting lambdabot to spit out huge, meaningless type signatures] I need to learn more Haskell... ..I need to get op privs. \ 410) rest in peace lambdabot???? monqy: it'll probably be back later < 1423962004 608336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote lambda | tail -1 < 1423962005 644748 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1203) scheme doesn't have any control structures, you can make them yourself out of call/cc, lambdas, and arrogance < 1423962007 995362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote lambda | tail -5 < 1423962008 991929 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :410) rest in peace lambdabot???? monqy: it'll probably be back later nap in peace \ 497) monqy: help how do I use lambdabot to send messages to people. [...around half an hour later...] @messages quicksilver said 1y 2m 18d 19h 54m 29s ago: you use @tell \ 525) I think this < 1423962021 372167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes lambda < 1423962029 181438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote lambda | tail -2 < 1423962029 424286 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.9373 < 1423962030 174081 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :892) FOUR SIMULTANEOUS TYPE SYSTEMS IN A SINGLE ROTATION OF THE LAMBDA CUBE \ 1203) scheme doesn't have any control structures, you can make them yourself out of call/cc, lambdas, and arrogance < 1423962041 299727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote lambda | tail -3 < 1423962055 727473 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :525) I think this has taught us one thing. We can't teach itidus20 lambda calculus by comittee \ 892) FOUR SIMULTANEOUS TYPE SYSTEMS IN A SINGLE ROTATION OF THE LAMBDA CUBE \ 1203) scheme doesn't have any control structures, you can make them yourself out of call/cc, lambdas, and arrogance < 1423962058 922028 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever happened to itidus < 1423962066 984717 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, after he left the channel < 1423962103 29784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :497 is still one of the best quotes ever < 1423962107 624112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he probably transcended to a higher plane of confusion < 1423962157 416787 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : god, google map's ui has got annoying <-- website? app? < 1423962200 874773 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you could also try openstreetmap maybe? < 1423962220 930447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :website. < 1423962237 174480 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Hm yeah it doesn't do smooth scrolling fully afaik < 1423962246 79198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was like, linked from the google result page for "york" < 1423962252 185799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to import openstreetmap data into SQLite? < 1423962294 26737 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, probably, but oh god the performance? < 1423962294 306654 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check their wiki < 1423962332 718986 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc they use postgresql + postgis as their backend for vector data < 1423962405 599199 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 497 < 1423962409 853455 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :497) monqy: help how do I use lambdabot to send messages to people. [...around half an hour later...] @messages quicksilver said 1y 2m 18d 19h 54m 29s ago: you use @tell < 1423962429 105086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write a RVTP server for PostgreSQL so that it can access with RVTP client, and then write a RVTP client for SQLite. < 1423962430 484238 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah that is pretty good < 1423962443 977926 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, wtf is rvtp? < 1423962450 407435 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423962484 126862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some protocol I made up but isn't implemented yet; it is short for "Remote Virtual Table Protocol" < 1423962501 401023 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1423962501 645631 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1423962514 994490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well whatever, I'm not sure anybody cares about importing gigabytes of map data in sqlite. < 1423962542 197729 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And frankly I don't see the point. OpenStreetMap has some good query tools written for it already < 1423962587 104742 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://overpass-turbo.eu/ for example < 1423962656 374027 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote kmcbait < 1423962657 185221 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :951) Sgeo_, are you just trying to post kmcbait... * Fiora imagines a cardboard box propped up by a stick with a pile of monads inside. Fiora: that is actually what Haskell is. < 1423962660 129936 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOUND IT < 1423962706 649976 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still it is using a webpage and then you might want to access by command-line < 1423963609 619261 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1423964604 832677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know anything about Turtle RDF formats? < 1423964610 425055 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.79.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423965260 431985 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423965964 971742 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ABOLUTIVE CHICKEN < 1423966196 461756 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423969461 454251 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-144.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1423969499 487260 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-144.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1423969499 647999 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1423970065 277004 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423970418 601657 :oren!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423970645 417347 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1423970689 736036 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45e7:219d:3559:25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423970873 313301 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45e7:219d:3559:25 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423972859 866499 :lokita23!~canaima@186-89-49-38.genericrev.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423972896 280264 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:2912:9b64:70c0:508 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423972896 591057 :lokita23!~canaima@186-89-49-38.genericrev.cantv.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423973847 162241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A virtual table in SQLite could have read-only fields, write-only fields, and compare-only fields. < 1423974028 306649 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:2912:9b64:70c0:508 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423974198 225930 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:2912:9b64:70c0:508 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423974274 152606 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:2912:9b64:70c0:508 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423974323 370742 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:2912:9b64:70c0:508 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423974473 365593 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eqssnkrplgeinrzq QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423974548 317640 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423974616 432170 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:2912:9b64:70c0:508 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1423974642 665009 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423975109 692984 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mwudfkxoqprsnhmv JOIN :#esoteric < 1423976059 866550 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423976148 349640 :skarn_!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423976162 608517 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423976173 421311 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423976173 622413 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423976181 988623 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b JOIN :#esoteric < 1423976189 498447 :arjanb!8259adb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.173.184 QUIT :Quit: . < 1423976259 259427 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1423976508 637247 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1423976659 903911 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1423979170 395377 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:55d8:c7df:b13:fc89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423979180 291309 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:55d8:c7df:b13:fc89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423979184 492301 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:55d8:c7df:b13:fc89 QUIT :Client Quit < 1423979268 753431 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:55d8:c7df:b13:fc89 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1423979843 440119 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:ce0:450a:27de:449b JOIN :#esoteric < 1423980604 293500 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1423980625 602088 :oren!415e60fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.96.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1423980688 606557 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recieved an awesome book today. Nelson's Japanese-English Character Dictionary. It is a bit outdated, but beautiful and easy to look kanji up in. < 1423980964 225382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this reminds me < 1423980974 348747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the art contributed to NetHack 4 contains what are apparently Chinese characters < 1423980981 88374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I want to make sure that they don't say anything rude or out-of-place < 1423980997 307177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should try to learn what it does mean anyways < 1423981060 392135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1423981066 245423 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't nethack a text-based game? < 1423981108 761943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can do icon-mode too though? < 1423981121 444509 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:59a0:d860:6b5e:adb6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423981159 20132 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: googled it, yeah apparently there is a mode with actual graphics < 1423981219 233259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: I'm implementing both multiple graphical modes, and multiple text modes < 1423981236 581841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, here it is: http://nethack4.org/pastebin/unknown-chinese.png < 1423981253 743015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd put it into Google Translate or the like, but I don't know how to translate the image into ideograms < 1423981287 991764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially given how small the image is < 1423981290 409730 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:ce0:450a:27de:449b QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423981300 801437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose multiple text mode can be ASCII mode, PC mode, VT100 mode, and Unicode xterm mode, and also colors or monochrome, and there are some other kind of details too I think; would that be it? < 1423981304 699816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone have ideas for an OCR that works on Chinese? < 1423981340 955883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any OCR, but I know there is servers to look up by radicals and other methods that you can pick from the form < 1423981348 561632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, currently the user specifies what characters they want; there are two implemented modes for this, one selection uses only characters that exist in ASCII, the other uses only characters that exist in codepage 437 < 1423981356 933100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the game engine works out how to render it < 1423981359 952916 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :last character is 少 meaning "small" not sure about the other two < 1423981372 32241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I don't think it is < 1423981380 867160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the top-left stroke is sloping top left to bottom right < 1423981385 900362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bottom left to top right < 1423981400 865029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also flavour implies that this is Chinese rather than Japanese) < 1423981404 993841 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also have to look if it is Simplified Chinese or if it is Traditional Chinese < 1423981411 594392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, is the answer < 1423981415 58048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may well be meaningless < 1423981421 325613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't want it to be meaningful in an offensive way < 1423981461 304036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My opinion is that Traditional Chinese is better; however, inside of China it is usually Simplified is used) < 1423981492 731817 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are those Chinese icons used for anyways? < 1423981497 221822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think the majority use is different between mainland China and Taiwan, isn't it? < 1423981500 196921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they decorate a wall < 1423981504 737497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the tileset called "Chinese wall" < 1423981510 953032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I think it's meant to be Chinese < 1423981564 864799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1423981598 708945 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: As far as I understand, Simplified is used in China, and Traditional is for everywhere else in the world < 1423981628 16486 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japan has its own less simple simplifications < 1423981644 235779 :v^!~^v@c-68-36-225-16.hsd1.nj.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423981662 107753 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are called 新字体 (shinjitai) < 1423981686 395253 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: Yes I know that too, and theirs aren't as difficult understanding as Simplified Chinese, I think. < 1423981730 660843 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I can see that. In my new book the traditional version is listed beside each character and they are usually barely different < 1423981784 440714 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45e7:219d:3559:25 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423981803 8918 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the bigger chages is 竜 from 龍 < 1423981890 419931 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of the time it is just changing whether strokes are connected or not, or whether they cross another stroke or not < 1423981939 848614 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:a4c9:d1d3:fcfc:b762 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423982122 390858 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:59a0:d860:6b5e:adb6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1423982237 377272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I'm halfway though character map looking for them < 1423982239 389003 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried linedict.com but I can't find anything that looks like the first two characters < 1423982347 325726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the first one could be 牜? < 1423982351 876884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 牜 < 1423982357 258078 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+725C CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-725C \ UTF-8: e7 89 9c UTF-16BE: 725c Decimal: 牜 \ 牜 (牜) \ Uppercase: U+725C \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) < 1423982369 11285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not though < 1423982430 381492 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like a halfwidth version of 牛 which means cow < 1423982465 788126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one is pretty hopeless, I agree < 1423982502 587108 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be 夶 < 1423982521 105186 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't really work < 1423982523 134319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a great match for the third one either < 1423982542 940985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 夶 < 1423982544 65881 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+5936 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-5936 \ UTF-8: e5 a4 b6 UTF-16BE: 5936 Decimal: 夶 \ 夶 (夶) \ Uppercase: U+5936 \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) < 1423982554 228324 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general chinese characters don't often have a shape like < in them < 1423982572 96762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, many of the shapes there are quite different from anything I'm seeing in the Unicode list < 1423982598 416760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we go by slope directions of the lines (which are very clear in the third shape), the only option is 氵 < 1423982609 61864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have a feeling that would have been drawn differently < 1423982612 94584 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If those are chinese characters then they are pixelated out of recognition < 1423982617 657988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1423982629 125340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, I'm probably OK with them, although perhaps we should actually spell something appropriate < 1423982631 865306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least amusing < 1423982671 281475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 氵 is crazily common, at least, and not particularly awkward < 1423982681 256337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was nice of Unicode to give definitions) < 1423982683 562658 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the water radical < 1423982692 307542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1423982735 88679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in retrospect, this doesn't actually look very much like a CJK language at all < 1423982741 880706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps is failing to perform its function due to that? < 1423982849 888572 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :most recognizable characters would become orange blocks at that scale... < 1423983078 307517 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :take 街道 which means street for example... < 1423983246 192152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that two ideograms? < 1423983247 694659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes < 1423983405 997579 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes two. In chinese Jiēdào. In japanese it is pronounced kaidou and means highway < 1423983491 944748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how cross-intelligable are written chinese and japanese? < 1423983539 597264 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a little. < 1423983558 941906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like french and italian? < 1423983614 494627 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the japanese-chinese words are mostly ones from the middle ages, so their meanings have shifted, and Mandarin has evolved in the meantime. Japanese and Classical Chinese are much closer < 1423983631 171196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, pretty much exactly like french and italian then < 1423983652 106099 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like italian and english < 1423983680 827880 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because japanese has a superstrate of chinese over a japanese substrate < 1423983682 305672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I play computer games set to a foreign language, for fun < 1423983716 965376 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like english has a latinate superstrate over a germanic substrate < 1423983837 574115 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah that can be fun < 1423984023 795557 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most annoying thing my parents used to do is speak in italian french or spanish, depending on their mood, in order so I couldn't tell what they were saying. < 1423984100 108333 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was really annoying to 8 year old me < 1423984214 326051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that why you learned japanese twh < 1423984254 503538 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It may be why I practice it with my best friend in my dad's office < 1423984313 873176 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :きゃははは、お父さん、分からないか？ < 1423984439 890464 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:a4c9:d1d3:fcfc:b762 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1423984491 615252 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice gif < 1423984520 901870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you follow random links in people's quit messages? < 1423984526 638801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's almost like clicking on spam < 1423984547 492677 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I do that too < 1423984598 324669 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have noscript, adblocker, and this computer is total crap anyway < 1423984685 242926 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1423984709 536672 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like my dad agressively driving in a 15 yearold ford focus < 1423984801 973695 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww no gif < 1423985260 893315 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't I smelt cobalt from cobaltite < 1423986966 621395 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423988285 548916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Because of the kobolds hth < 1423989321 460588 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1423991970 727281 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.17.60 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423992006 713250 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f81c-109.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423992086 97711 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-167.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423992086 97829 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1423992366 689886 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1423992373 129451 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992377 273491 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992377 791362 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992436 529157 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992440 674308 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992441 192313 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992473 659924 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992477 804612 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992478 321943 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992523 662140 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992527 805934 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992528 323640 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992587 299234 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992591 443472 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992591 961243 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992623 662851 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992627 794270 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992628 312626 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992673 663806 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992677 804913 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992678 322757 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992723 665158 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423992724 332220 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992727 827892 JOIN :#esoteric > 1423992728 345416 JOIN :#esoteric < 1423992815 295589 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f81c-109.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1423993099 691831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found some papers on which I have written several kind of chess variants. One is a complex dimensional chess variant. < 1423993121 988558 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1423993149 807416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also one where the bishops are now beavers and the king can use a shotgun but only if he has a license. < 1423993202 53432 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can find lots of chess variants on the internet. < 1423993208 382509 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them are crazy. < 1423993327 477226 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know and many I have put in too. < 1423993471 436296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also "Bland Chess" from my brother; no diagonal moves are allowed (although knights can still move normally). < 1423993521 305353 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This means that pawns cannot capture, queens are same as rooks, bishops cannot move at all, and the king moves only one space orthogonally. < 1423993690 968314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also a game "Chess With Checkers Added" that both me and my brother have simultaneously invented independently; we both invented the same game. At first he just put the checkers in front of the pawns as a joke but then we both made up the same rules for the game that is set up like that. < 1423993903 868158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you make up chess variant too? < 1423994348 423514 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hehe, "bland chess" reminds me to two variants Smullyan mentions: one where every piece can move only in a way that it stays on the same colored square that it starts from, so pawns can only move double or (non en-passant) capture, < 1423994363 333353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and knights are just stuck? < 1423994366 950555 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the less restricted version where knights can't move but other figures aren't restricte. < 1423994370 749983 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, knights are stuck. < 1423994420 73877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly we need Evil Chess where the pieces sometimes explode when you move them, and arbitrary time limits are placed on you every now and then, and the rules aren't what you think they are, and there are cutscenes < 1423994464 311971 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cutscenes! < 1423994466 797366 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1423994477 340086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea if something I wanted to learn how to make up is the chess variant where the commands of INTERCAL are included. < 1423994492 36068 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1423994498 786818 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :chess with intercal commands < 1423994521 362976 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(d4) DO COME FROM d2 < 1423994892 609698 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1423994967 865947 :naturalo1!~naturalog@213.57.64.140 NICK :naturalog < 1423994970 198527 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to make a C header file with macros having mangled names so that it can interface with C++ programming? < 1423995029 520761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not macros, but you can do wrapper functions by using a separate C++ object file < 1423995047 86699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which basically has a bunch of C++ functions that call counterparts declared with extern "C" < 1423995093 207927 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it depends on the architecture < 1423995111 61994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to do it without wrapper functions so that the function pointer is the same as the C function < 1423995114 657496 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: on some compilers or systems, C++ symbols mangle to names that aren't valid in C because they contain weird characters < 1423995146 791846 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, let me look up the specifics < 1423995152 168523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On which systems are they? Is it possible with GNU C? < 1423995178 878156 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a moment, I don't know off the top of my head, I just let the compiler and debugger deal with this stuff < 1423995222 275708 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've been messing around with trying to reverse engineer /dev/input/mice for fun < 1423995227 960584 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I miss anything? https://gist.github.com/CrazyM4n/553379cf3fa93721664f lol < 1423995231 622567 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the MS compiler use @ signs in mangled names < 1423995245 54535 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ? signs too < 1423995266 133296 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all C++-mangled names start with a ? sign < 1423995285 519440 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1423995323 263429 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on GNU C, it might be possible because it uses only alphanumeric and underscore characters in mangled names < 1423995347 594910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the C++ code might be compiled with a different compiler even though I am using GNU < 1423995381 393330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course such a thing might be somewhat fragile and dependent on the version of compiler and libstdc++ you're targetting, not because of the name mangling, but because of the other stuff like representation of library stuff and exceptions and other horrible things < 1423995399 887625 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1423995415 713772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, and? < 1423995418 396862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know what compiler and libc++ and stuff they are using < 1423995449 540781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why don't you use the normal solution, that is, write the wrappers in C++? < 1423995458 322904 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, wrong channel for that < 1423995476 527767 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said maybe it is a different compiler, for one thing < 1423995482 443940 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: anyway, if you wanted for MSVC, you could try writing in assembler directly < 1423995486 654594 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than C < 1423995516 627301 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, if you don't know the compiler then you can't compile C++ interfaces. < 1423995533 291658 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to know the compiler type and version and architecture. < 1423995633 810330 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe their files are Microsoft but my files are GNU and I want to be able to interface them, preferably only the header file needs to change and the main file can be keep the same one even when interfacing with other C++ programs with other compilers and versions and architectures. < 1423995681 197387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: could you make C interfaces for your code, compiled with gnu, and a thin C++ wrapper for it, compiled with MSVC, possibly header-only with inline functions? < 1423995716 752688 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: for MSVC, if you don't do this and you want to generate the mangled stuff yourself, you might also have to depend on which version of MSVC < 1423995732 736992 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if this is not esoteric stuff, then don't do that, and just write a wrapper they have to compile or include < 1423995767 436544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably make the wrapper portable enough C++ and test it by compiling (including) it in a C++ program compiled with gnu C < 1423995790 176101 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even then, you can be burned by the various idiocies of the MS compiler regarding C++ < 1423995867 56075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know if I have MSVC, and if I do, I don't know what versions and other stuff < 1423995952 230350 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it is interfacing with a DLL < 1423995981 186445 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, but the DLL can have a C interface < 1423996003 612614 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you give them a thin wrapper they include or compile, then it can be mostly portable among compilers < 1423996011 937238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program expects to load a DLL file with C++ codes < 1423996029 110404 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want to write the DLL file with C codes < 1423996031 463225 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a DLL with C++ interface can almost never be portable among multiple versions of MSVC, or among gcc and msvc < 1423996046 580484 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you want to do that, then you'll have to ask what compiler they're using < 1423996084 550737 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also have to know the operating system type (windows or linux etc) and the CPU (x86 or x86_64) < 1423996373 272244 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423996389 430138 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1423996823 249414 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1423997096 626356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, I just realised < 1423997108 393641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the current realtime-viable glitch to the credits in Super Mario World < 1423997113 517877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spells out shellcode /using shells/ < 1423997125 894324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this not an observation that I've seen elsewhere < 1423997268 839375 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean koopa shells? < 1423997290 910160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1423997371 344788 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1423997493 691468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1423997670 708438 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03MuEncy12345 5* 10New user account < 1423997682 350608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, those digits are in sequence < 1423997685 774298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not a spambot < 1423997925 241000 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:MuEncy12345/Island14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41902 5* 03MuEncy12345 5* (+785) 10Created page with "[[User:MuEncy12345/Colloquial|Colloquial]] abbr|eviation of [[User:MuEncy12345/island mu-molecule|Island mu-molecule]], or of User:MuEncy12345/island mu-unit|island mu-un..." < 1423997981 812192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, it's a spambot < 1423997995 540250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it looks like a copyright-infringing one, too < 1423998021 388386 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02User:MuEncy12345/Island10]]": copyright-infringing spam < 1423998054 173193 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10blocked [[02User:MuEncy1234510]] with an expiry time of 2 decades, 4 years, 4 hours, 19 minutes and 12 seconds (account creation disabled): copyright-infringing spambot < 1423998055 371239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling that it was planning to make a bunch of pages, all cross-linked < 1423998116 674457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"11:00, 15 February 2039" < 1423998123 635758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, they fixed the Y2038 bug < 1423998124 115250 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mrob.com/pub/muency.html < 1423998134 751534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: isn't that the link that was being spammed? < 1423998160 187641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you post it to the channel < 1423998255 358158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm < 1423998260 668469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely copyright infringement < 1423998267 970647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :less sure on the spam, though, because it links to source < 1423998291 365078 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 unblock10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10unblocked User:MuEncy12345: maybe not a spambot < 1423998307 102533 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1423998388 99728 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:MuEncy1234514]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41903 5* 03Ais523 5* (+568) 10warning < 1423998457 45888 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mrob.com/cc-license.html < 1423998462 701074 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are free to copy and reuse any of this work as long as you tell people where it is from < 1423998503 176158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: and it's noncommercial < 1423998515 735348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you preserve copyright notices < 1423998530 284266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki's copyright status outright claims a different copyright on everything posted there < 1423998540 42521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, that anything there can be reused for any purpose, no attribution required < 1423998553 272574 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost. "Content is available under CC0 public domain dedication unless otherwise noted." < 1423998606 799 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the way I'm reading that I could post an article under some other CC license (for example) if I explicitely state that in the article. < 1423998626 732265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just boilerplate that a wiki upgrade put on there < 1423998641 265455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the edit prompt requires a CC0 license < 1423998684 747699 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. it's been a while. < 1423998702 481412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, bad MediaWiki default < 1423998711 657316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't go around changing the wiki's copyright status like that! < 1423998743 232386 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MediaWiki:Copyright14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41904 5* 03Ais523 5* (+30) 10a MediaWiki apparently put a bad (lack of) copyright notice on here; fixing that < 1423998747 976335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, fixed < 1423998766 220816 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary < 1423998776 731960 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is solar power enough to keep a drone in the air < 1423998800 599485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I believe so, but it has to have a very weird form factor to make enough room for the solar panels < 1423998837 739270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably no. if it was, birds would just eat the plants (moss, lichens) grown on their backs and wings rather than actively seeking out food < 1423998852 598498 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1423998932 718606 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's new in esoland < 1423998989 288110 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this shellcode with shells is a good enough joke that maybe you should ask the tasvideos guys to edit it into the description < 1423999001 980310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people don't know what "shellcode" means < 1423999009 274149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the TASvideos route doesn't use that method of setup < 1423999012 75118 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the mario thing < 1423999014 135305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, it uses the controller ports < 1423999026 734447 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1423999036 496497 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do "most people" watch tases? < 1423999052 53561 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see a guy perform the exploit by hand? < 1423999055 73723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think speedruns are more popular < 1423999058 372381 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a real SNES < 1423999060 259175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: yep, it's been done by hand < 1423999065 493187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :different setup, though < 1423999073 391925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's actually a video explaining all the steps on YouTube < 1423999094 959915 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how to find similar code exec type things in NES and gameb oy games < 1423999106 3539 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you said realtime-viable glitch < 1423999110 264079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's much scarier < 1423999156 297144 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's not like GB pokémon where you can just edit memory in real time < 1423999176 303325 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Zelda OOT where they do memory corruption with items in real time < 1423999192 289529 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then < 1423999215 378815 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the GB Super Mario Land 2 memory corruption has been performed in real time too < 1423999225 299951 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I shouldn't be surprised by any of this anymore < 1423999343 987385 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :very interesting :)) < 1423999363 821996 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these real time speedrunners are crazy < 1423999387 486105 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they find their way to perform glitches in real time < 1423999394 141217 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :develop very crazy techniques < 1423999403 96176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I do realtime speedrunning too < 1423999405 303659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Neverwinter Nights < 1423999421 691806 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, but how glitched? < 1423999450 944071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wall clips and item duping and exploiting broken scripts, mostly < 1423999452 973592 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, a not very glitched real time speedrun can be also amazing when the player demonstrates good technique < 1423999464 464576 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoy both kinds < 1423999468 883733 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you pull the scripts out of the game and study them? < 1423999480 611257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there's a level editor that can read them < 1423999485 820482 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool :D < 1423999488 332436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you can only use it on levels you've already completed < 1423999505 667281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you just rename the files to make them think they're custom) < 1423999539 376377 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on what console or operating system do you speedrun that? < 1423999550 576400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 8.1 < 1423999552 247728 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think you mentioned this once already when I asked about silence spells) < 1423999553 918702 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1423999565 598972 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it could have been a different game) < 1424000236 101920 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424000245 663949 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think curly brace syntax might be ergonomically bad for me, at least on a Finnish keyboard. AltGr in general is a problematic key. < 1424000280 711282 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSchool < 1424000290 487038 :TieSchool!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1424000390 145625 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive made it so the [/{ and ]/} keys input ( and ) for me < 1424000392 986004 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes lisp easier < 1424000397 162270 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424000479 255417 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: Yeah, in DrRacket I have Å mapped to automatically output the () or [] pair I need for the context; but right now I'm doing JavaScript tutorials on codecademy; which doesn't even do auto-pairs. < 1424001134 208196 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think keyboards in general need more keys. I would put a few more rows above the number row < 1424001249 649870 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe that wouldn't help if you're a touch-typist < 1424001284 429993 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I type with two fingers < 1424001378 48556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: () or [] are a little easier to type than Å (capslock shift-a a for me) < 1424001420 768716 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: å, rather, which is a plain key on a Finnish keyboard. < 1424001426 855434 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to the right of p. < 1424001445 439269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where [ is already on a UK keyboard < 1424001475 660122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also UK keyboards have exactly two altgr keys, it used to be one < 1424001491 590241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them is a second |; on some OSes, it looks different from the original | < 1424001500 509817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other, added quite recently, is € < 1424001566 850656 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :å < 1424001577 505059 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me it is &aa < 1424001679 268069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like my compose key to be a key that's otherwise useful < 1424001691 480151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :caps lock's intended function is the least useful on the keyboard < 1424001694 477641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even pause is useful more often < 1424001731 293408 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use caps-lock for WM interaction. < 1424001806 929047 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caps lock is useful if you use it for IME switching < 1424001862 704438 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(slightly perversely, I use the left windows key for äöüÄÖÜß...) < 1424001916 845991 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ι υσε < 1424001951 459261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :super is a generally useful key, though < 1424001961 97281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I use alt+super for WM interaction < 1424001963 866927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a single key tended to get typoed too often < 1424001978 696282 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use alt for WM interaction, < 1424001988 522736 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not all alt+key and alt+mouse combos are that, only some of curse < 1424001990 475295 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what happens when you look at the screen instead of you keyboard < 1424002066 607270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt plus any of (the function keys, escape, space) (possibly with other modifiers at the same times); alt plus right or middle drag; and alt plus control plus arrows and edit keys and numpad keys < 1424002116 382187 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I should refine the specific, in particular, I should make a system where shift isn't used for any WM function so I can reserve it as a modifier to act on a WM nested inside a VNC session < 1424002127 398265 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that sound crazy? < 1424002152 272289 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, I've run into that nesting problem myself < 1424002179 803904 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never found a need to interact with a window manager with my keyboard... What would the point be? < 1424002191 492249 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: the mouse is so far away < 1424002210 240384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sure, but is the particular desire to have two full sets of shortcuts (rather than either a limited set of shortcuts in the nested WM, or switch with numlock, or act on the nested stuff only when it's full screen) normal? < 1424002213 934005 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is in the centre of my kyboeard < 1424002217 908098 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424002229 491850 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually switching with numlock might be an option < 1424002229 750226 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: well, mine isn't. I hate those knobs or touchpads. < 1424002330 490573 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :touch typists tend to hit the touchpad with their wrists but my typing style never has that problem < 1424002331 624590 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they don't have the same accurace and speed as a proper mouse, for me) < 1424002337 471743 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*accuracy* < 1424002381 44610 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah for games I use an actual mouse < 1424002467 541045 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i type in a position resting my fingers on the cdwq and mkop keys < 1424002481 604363 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: I interact with a mouse too sometimes, or with a combination of the keyboard modifiers and mouse < 1424002494 714775 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sort hovering over that area anyway < 1424002496 575392 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: I have set it up so I can do almost any function with either the keyboard or the mouse, < 1424002504 815706 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good grief < 1424002514 921778 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, not really, the window managers are like that by default, I've just modified the settings a bit) < 1424002519 161313 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this time i'd thought the david mitchell who wrote cloud atlass was the comedian < 1424002522 190221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*atlas < 1424002535 975036 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :except of course restoring a full screen window, which you have to do with the keyboard because there's no WM area left on < 1424002562 519935 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I rarely full screen windows, only for games or watching movies, when I don't want to interact with the WM for a while < 1424002602 712156 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have, however, spent some time to be able to make the WM are very small so it doesn't waste vertical screen estate < 1424002868 34106 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca NICK :oren < 1424002977 872937 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: whatver. I only recently found out that "led zeppelin" is not the name of a guitarist < 1424003086 264370 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424003101 664190 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424003450 683004 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1424003623 216825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: buying lunch < 1424005640 396491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424005697 603015 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424005860 351217 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424006188 835006 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424006315 571659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I started working on azip again < 1424006344 554294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and found a really elegant algorithm for "find all substrings that appear more than once in a given string" that runs in O(n log n log n) time < 1424006422 268594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering where to start looking to see if it's already known < 1424006608 131184 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds really interesting!! < 1424006689 490814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm planning to use it to make the new version of azip < 1424006695 33505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe just a better zlib encoder < 1424006767 579696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :azip is a compression algo Iwas working on a while back < 1424006785 320880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about comparable with bzip2 (and much better than gzip) < 1424006930 656262 :AnotherTest_!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1424006937 986674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it assumes that the input string can be indexed in O(1), which might or might not be true in practice < 1424006967 628536 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424006967 845718 :AnotherTest_!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be NICK :AnotherTest < 1424006972 763046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, you'd have to build a binary tree out of the input string for indexing it, and get O(n log³ n) performance < 1424007037 64503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1424007262 958496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424007650 864499 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Karp, Miller, Rosenberg "" < 1424007651 50372 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rapid identification of repeated patterns in strings, trees and arrays < 1424007663 6233 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :1972, looks relevant < 1424007689 451252 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though old. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffix_array#Construction_Algorithms has a couple more references. < 1424007767 881665 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Karp, Miller, Rosenberg one is based on the idea of first identifying equal letters, and then doubling the match lengths iteratively, in O(n) steps per doubling. So it'll actually be O(n log n) total for what you need, I think.) < 1424007870 114749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: my algorithm is basically that, with some extra tricks to also figure out the lengths < 1424008022 75343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, the algo there is a) not the same as mine, b) solves a subset of the problem < 1424008042 442100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theirs looks for matches at length n, mine finds all lengths n for which there are matches (together with the matches themselves) < 1424008101 306624 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually... < 1424008138 842088 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have "aaaaaa", how what does the output of the algorithm look like? Do you only look for longest matches? < 1424008221 922461 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with a^n as input, listing all occurrences of a^k for k_>'...) < 1424012844 368852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I am currently first on an anagolf problem: http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?utf8+to+unicode < 1424012860 452666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-O3, also -Ofast exists for some reason < 1424012895 796099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, apparently -Ofast is -O3, plus optimizations that violate the relevant standards < 1424012923 764926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the case of C, it's equivalent to "-O3 -ffast-math" in the gcc I have installed) < 1424013668 814010 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424013748 450674 :kapil__!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-udalzzbkkzbzzpnf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424014333 936450 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: EQUIVALENT CHICKEN < 1424015995 656414 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424016143 284247 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424018288 834059 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424018462 353983 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:c1ee:c4cd:c38d:3bd2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424019094 360759 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:ec15:1d0:63aa:58eb JOIN :#esoteric < 1424019198 338224 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:c1ee:c4cd:c38d:3bd2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424019678 370952 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424020285 520958 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03NeilK 5* 10New user account < 1424020392 882511 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41905&oldid=41887 5* 03NeilK 5* (+17) 10HeartForth added < 1424020463 120340 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever bot. or perhaps, a human ;) < 1424021066 827499 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03NeilK 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:HeartForth Factorial.png10]]": A screenshot of HeartForth, an Emoji stack language. < 1424021338 345547 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424021467 329750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1424021477 846391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424021516 315981 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HeartForth14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41907 5* 03NeilK 5* (+782) 10Initial page for HeartForth < 1424021570 920885 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric ::grinning::boom:0:revolving_hearts::point_right::two_hearts:1:heavy_minus_sign::two_hearts:1:pray::+1::point_right::couple_with_heart:0:pray::+1::revolving_hearts::broken_heart::wink: < 1424021650 932901 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HeartForth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41908&oldid=41907 5* 03NeilK 5* (-2) 10/* Examples */ < 1424021713 634760 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HeartForth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41909&oldid=41908 5* 03NeilK 5* (+0) 10/* Examples */ < 1424021761 540599 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Clean visual separation between program and data." < 1424021829 128676 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:NeilK14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41910 5* 03NeilK 5* (+45) 10contact info < 1424021882 814767 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HeartForth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41911&oldid=41909 5* 03NeilK 5* (+2) 10/* Disadvantages */ bulleted to match < 1424022067 748013 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1424022676 89876 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION idly wonders whether the use of those emoji constitutes fair use
< 1424022735 849477 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424022942 224878 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424023309 928493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode is public domain, right < 1424023318 698277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"or whatever" < 1424023326 598702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see < 1424023329 334881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the graphics themselves < 1424023334 981205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't we just inline the actual emoji < 1424023345 528683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can't do fair use anyway < 1424023347 776268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the wiki is meant to be pd < 1424023365 254085 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424023406 904221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgcc had up to -O6, I think. < 1424023441 479354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or egcs or whatever. Some GCC fork anyway. < 1424023960 109699 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: AFAIUI, fair use allows incorporation of copyrighted work into other works, which can then be relicensed as a whole. < 1424024013 653974 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IANAL, etc.; also I'm not actually operating the wiki, so it's not my call to make anyway.) < 1424024208 605333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This mobile network is strange. SSH works nice and fast, and web browsing was okay for an hour there, but then suddenly stopped. With the exception of Google searches. < 1424024215 263469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1424024260 577390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should set up some sort of a VPN thing, in case it's some traffic shaping stuff. < 1424024262 891151 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so use ssh -D to set up a socks proxy and use that? < 1424024299 463447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm on Android. I don't know how to do that here. < 1424024320 415535 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. neither do I < 1424024337 29317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I know this has some VPN settings in the network stuff. < 1424024502 406318 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:ec15:1d0:63aa:58eb QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424024517 840938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently port forwarding in general is also a "pro" (aka paid) feature in this SSH client (JuiceSSH). < 1424024521 400534 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1424024770 381159 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pro" < 1424024784 809561 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels like an expert ;-)
< 1424024837 311842 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1424025488 935256 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Join the 10$ Crew, int-e < 1424027022 739455 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424027311 516450 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424027492 605565 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424027880 101970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1424028213 897987 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1424028274 406620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nih < 1424028440 674023 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are you a knight or is that a lower-case "not invented here"? < 1424028565 980975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :por que no los dos < 1424028571 92098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*- < 1424028633 899368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1424028636 438745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-*- < 1424029058 764922 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1424029060 124229 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1424029108 686542 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1424029368 472144 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ?¿;՞؟፧᥅⁇⁈⁉⍰❓❔⳺⳻⸮꘏꛷︖﹖ < 1424029499 180054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those all question marks < 1424029515 242490 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. no, I don't think so. < 1424029524 743137 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they all are; but I doubt that the list is complete) < 1424029544 158965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and bidirectional text that causes irssi/putty to show the time in reverse < 1424029550 45086 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the ?! and !? ones are cheating.) < 1424029563 787060 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it? nice! < 1424029573 767903 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it doesn't do that for me) < 1424029593 654635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw 24:02 int-e> ... < 1424029610 837073 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd. < 1424029630 568637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's happened before as i recall < 1424029641 600934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh tmux is also included < 1424029678 121491 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the stack here is xterm/ssh/screen/irssi... so that's a bit different. < 1424029738 414715 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :here i don't have reversed anything. gnome terminal/irssi < 1424029755 980999 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan must be special. < 1424029780 891752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously. < 1424029802 456815 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ørjan < 1424029824 554568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Ø < 1424029826 916351 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+00D8 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH STROKE] < 1424029834 314559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE CAN NEVER BE SURE < 1424029879 751421 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 〇◯○●◎ < 1424029880 477713 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+3007 IDEOGRAPHIC NUMBER ZERO] [U+25EF LARGE CIRCLE] [U+25CB WHITE CIRCLE] [U+25CF BLACK CIRCLE] [U+25CE BULLSEYE] < 1424029883 60707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly i'm getting an "Ørjan, is that really my name" experience < 1424029906 890329 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't find mixing up that letter with symbols for the empty set funny anymore. < 1424029921 281769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's called mathematical maturity hth < 1424029932 66149 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how I write my zeros < 1424029945 11987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by hand? < 1424029950 612214 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, on paper < 1424029966 40619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you norteamericanos are weird < 1424030012 779739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we fight back with 1 and 7) < 1424030040 871170 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write 1 like | and 7 like an unclosed 9 < 1424030070 243921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we cross out our 7's < 1424030079 526406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they don't look too similar to the 1's < 1424030117 700538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has been reading the language construction kit
< 1424030130 51438 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ౸ < 1424030131 159367 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0C78 TELUGU FRACTION DIGIT ZERO FOR ODD POWERS OF FOUR] < 1424030131 432270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still is, i guess.) < 1424030140 713428 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds quite specific :) < 1424030177 226704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think < 1424030252 658589 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like base 60 < 1424030345 170613 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꘠↉ < 1424030346 145727 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A620 VAI DIGIT ZERO] [U+2189 VULGAR FRACTION ZERO THIRDS] < 1424030364 304117 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 60+ zero digits in unicode... < 1424030386 546901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ꘠ < 1424030387 720533 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: lexical error at character '\42528' < 1424030406 623364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :disappoint, i thought haskell did unicode < 1424030451 259727 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it only supports some characters. I know perl allows $か as a variable name < 1424030460 702488 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> generalCategory '꘠' < 1424030462 489240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : DecimalNumber < 1424030473 286819 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> generalCategory '↉' < 1424030474 561525 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : OtherNumber < 1424030486 537171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x꘠=0 in x꘠ < 1424030487 822200 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1424030493 306883 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl $か = 3; print $か < 1424030496 165862 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't open perl script "$か = 3; print $か": No such file or directory < 1424030500 954348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable names are fine < 1424030514 721735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that should, of course, be a number < 1424030515 607751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runperl < 1424030516 112583 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e '$か = "foo"; print $か;' < 1424030516 413263 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: runperl: not found < 1424030516 695821 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1424030517 995249 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424030526 743415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: `perl -e < 1424030540 18472 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :``perl -e '$か = "foo"; print $か;' < 1424030540 746212 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `perl: not found < 1424030547 439967 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1424030548 156742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by coincidence, you don't need `` for it < 1424030549 472982 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e '$か = "foo"; print $か;' < 1424030550 377485 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrecognized character \x81; marked by <-- HERE after $�<-- HERE near column 3 at -e line 1. < 1424030566 761195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: use `perl -e without `` < 1424030586 155411 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why does that work? < 1424030602 138516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i leave that as an exercise hth < 1424030645 33310 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1424030655 867139 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e$か = "foo"; print $か; < 1424030657 32430 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrecognized character \x81; marked by <-- HERE after $�<-- HERE near column 3 at -e line 1. < 1424030663 229622 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1424030686 744230 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'use utf8; $か = "foo"; print $か;' < 1424030690 307397 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1424030710 72153 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e use utf8; $か = "foo"; print $か; < 1424030710 973012 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1424030726 572040 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what oerjan meant. < 1424030745 887275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/perl* < 1424030757 362798 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/perl-e < 1424030768 814984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that also exists if you're too confused :) < 1424030775 147580 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e print 123 < 1424030776 123541 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :123 < 1424030776 730848 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'use utf8; $夢 = "foo"; print $夢;' < 1424030777 555534 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1424030787 766712 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish, as oerjan would say. < 1424030881 931758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp perl use utf8; $か = "foo"; print $か; < 1424030885 980412 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1424030898 419212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the modular version < 1424030925 522709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! perl use utf8; $か = "foo"; print $か; < 1424030926 684302 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1424030951 974136 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pl < 1424030954 588557 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pl: not found < 1424030972 837756 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'use utf8; $∀ = "foo"; print $∀;' < 1424030974 218953 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected end of string) at -e line 1. \ Unrecognized character \x88; marked by <-- HERE after e utf8; $�<-- HERE near column 12 at -e line 1. < 1424031000 648224 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nandatoooo!? < 1424031026 310932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the telugu number pages i checked don't seem to mention that character. < 1424031225 359426 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:d91d:f1a6:ed01:2ed7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424031252 652832 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424031643 851562 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424031704 313912 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:d91d:f1a6:ed01:2ed7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424031861 625605 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424031862 910367 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1424032245 568764 :SignX!4dad5809@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.173.88.9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424032817 603253 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424032848 413656 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.82.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1424033274 374118 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424033472 312785 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424033590 854104 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSleep < 1424034416 898386 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1424034474 219527 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-103-186.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1424034536 508317 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1424035120 376250 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424035971 250290 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1424036091 63531 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424036107 109936 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424036548 370002 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424036549 358942 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424037313 5326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange Item {2} Artifact :: Cumulative upkeep--{1} or discard a card :: {T}: Put a token copy of ~ into play tapped and phased out. < 1424037375 350383 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: phased out and cumulative upkeep? are you trying to do an Old Fogey? < 1424037386 112203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just like those abilities < 1424037398 145556 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :phasing scares me a bit < 1424037403 401319 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :phase out too < 1424037418 899776 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose a token phased out won't work anyways < 1424037434 898044 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1424037447 770369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules say it doesn't for some reason < 1424037459 479296 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh... ok < 1424037469 246551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :{T}: Put a token copy of ~ into play tapped. If ~ is a card, it phases out. < 1424037571 591507 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1424037585 709363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steal Summoning {3UU} Instant :: Manifest target spell. Do you like that one? < 1424037629 992190 :SignX!4dad5809@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.173.88.9 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1424037646 752063 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmm... how does that work? does the manifested object come into play under your control? and what happens if you target a copy of a spell? < 1424037688 929144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it does come into play under your control. If it is a copy of a spell then it doesn't. < 1424037753 154048 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, but what happens if it's a copy of a spell? nothing? or does the spell disappear? or moved to another zone and then disappear? < 1424037823 879769 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424037842 696038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actually I fixed my alternative rules now and now the copy can come into play as a token (previously I wrote it not to work with objects that come into play face-down, but I changed that) < 1424037880 605372 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1424037883 566281 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1424037934 870348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This rule doesn't affect any official cards as far as I am aware. < 1424037962 335112 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not sure I know how manifest works < 1424037963 732169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also this alternative rule doesn't affect non-card objects that come into play from a zone other than the stack) < 1424037979 137326 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this might confuse it further < 1424038038 615296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe manifesting an object means you put the object into play face-down under your control, and then it becomes allowed to be turned face-up for its mana cost if the front face is a creature. < 1424038065 635038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a instant or sorcery tries to turn face up for any reason, it is revealed but then remains face down. < 1424038074 694375 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, and there's some extra rules, like on what happens when you try to bounce a manifested non-permanent (it remains exiled) < 1424038094 503817 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's implied by other rules and has nothing to do with manifest. < 1424038112 711772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any instant or sorcery that tries to come into play for any reason whatsoever instead remains where it is. < 1424038135 102963 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what if I try to target a face down spell with Steal Summoning? does it get revealed as it is put onto the battlefield, or only when it leaves the battlefield? < 1424038168 398092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only when it leaves the battlefield, although you can look at it right away. < 1424038183 389164 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1424038214 845770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, not until Steal Summoning resolves; you can't look at it before then if it isn't your spell.) < 1424038279 850050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Steal Summoning” sounds like the name of that nonexistant instant that gets you to control a spell, which is why I find this a bit disappointing < 1424038304 884572 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if a face-down permanent turns face-up and the front face is a Aura, that it would be discarded right away, but that if it is exiled and comes back, then a target for the Aura can be chosen. < 1424038330 875329 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, that sounds about right < 1424038382 770870 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the face down spell should probably be revealed when Steal Summoning resolves though < 1424038402 509177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? I don't see any reason why it should have to? < 1424038422 610025 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it leaves the stack in a way other than the normal way. < 1424038425 45717 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the rule about revealing them apply to spells too? < 1424038433 996846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it does, then yes it does get revealed. < 1424038441 341773 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope so < 1424038458 275185 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to, to make sure you can't cheat by casting a non-morph spell face down < 1424038472 685259 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so that M:tG in principle doesn't require an independent judge to play < 1424038480 364617 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you know the rules perfectly < 1424038550 40377 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll check the rules, but that is definitely a goal the rules are trying to keep < 1424038644 984663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably it is then < 1424038664 474233 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“707.9. If a face-down permanent moves from the battlefield to any other zone, its owner must reveal it to all players as he or she moves it. If a face-down spell moves from the stack to any zone other than the battlefield, its owner must reveal it to all players as he or she moves it. < 1424038672 847151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a player leaves the game, etc” < 1424038685 881782 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that means it wouldn't be revealed, because it's moved to the battlefield. < 1424038720 127136 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This means if you Scroll of Cryptic Runes a face down spell, it's also not revealed. < 1424038722 182854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK then it isn't revealed, and in fact doesn't need to anyways < 1424038740 314426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes OK < 1424038763 359320 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though as this situation doesn't exist in official M:tG, you could change that rule for this < 1424038798 300389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to change rules that I don't believe should be changed < 1424038832 421608 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it's fine < 1424038870 257788 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if putting a copy of a spell into play as a face down token could lead to any strange situations, but it's probably fine < 1424038908 382846 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's face down, can't be turned face up in any way because its face is a sorcery or instant, and it disappears after it leaves the battlefield < 1424038977 830325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One other rule I made up is that an effect is allowed to prohibit conceding in a subgame, but the outer game can always be conceded regardless of any effects, including during the subgame < 1424039018 752544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1424039062 713770 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might work rules-wise, but I think it might be a bad idea < 1424039084 808755 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it could make subgames take too much real time < 1424039109 118296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example the effect that creates the subgame might say that conceding is not allowed. In such case the outer game can still be conceded, and subsubgames still can be conceded if those aren't prohibited too. If a continuous effect says "Conceding is not allowed" then it has no effect if this effect isn't played inside of the subgame. < 1424039133 848684 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you also make the rules about infinite loops not apply to the subgame directly as well? < 1424039161 146730 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far I didn't and am not sure about that one yet < 1424039247 858715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :An effect that only says you can't lose doesn't prohibit you from conceding though. < 1424039273 373042 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what if it says you can't lose and your opponents can't win? < 1424039322 677580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still doesn't prohibit conceding. < 1424039330 475779 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and aren't subgames basically deprecated anyway, with all cards creating subgames currently banned in all formats, even Vintage? < 1424039362 90956 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like Ante, only newer < 1424039391 563983 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( "unban target card" ) < 1424039449 932093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe although I made up one new card that creates a subgame. Also I wrote a few new rules for ante and sideboard; one effect is that all effects that cross games begin no earlier than the beginning of a match and end no later than the end of a match. Therefore anted cards are always returned at the end of a match. < 1424039470 817255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: like a backwards Look at Me, I'm the DCI? < 1424039532 420040 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, nice flavour text on that one. < 1424039604 280176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know "unban target card" should only work if the card was already unbanned at the beginning of the current game; even if it said "name a card" it still is < 1424039633 712966 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: or at least at the beginning of the match < 1424039637 480711 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :subgames? < 1424039687 89197 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think that banned cards cease existing even in a sideboard though? < 1424039712 795132 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you wouldn't be allowed to name a banned card. < 1424039755 437006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, they definitely cease existing in the sideboard. the remainder text of Look at Me is clear in that < 1424039771 236412 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think it probably moves the banned cards to the same zone as AWOL < 1424039785 406990 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even from the sideboard < 1424039835 241368 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or like Blacker Lotus) < 1424039852 189037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean Chaos Confetti) < 1424039958 755876 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would also make the assumption that cards with no valid RULECARD representation are automatically banned regardless of anything < 1424039980 475443 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "RULECARD"? < 1424040009 617912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some programming language I partially made up but not much yet < 1424040054 910957 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, then maybe the card doesn't have a representation because you just haven't implemented it yet? < 1424040078 190480 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is hypothetical for now of course. < 1424040140 991896 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the relevant rule is “100.2. To play, each player needs his or her own deck of traditional Magic cards,” and “108.2. When a rule or text on a card refers to a “card,” it means only a Magic card.” < 1424040174 960896 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the tourn't rules I guess < 1424040201 261867 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1424040881 315931 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424041499 721542 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424041674 180863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the Famicom working now. < 1424041715 144792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :After cleaning up the cartridge < 1424042351 833334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell people who made PDJSON that I fixed the bug and interfaced it with SQLite. < 1424042396 941802 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1424042466 125270 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424042600 441235 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know how to tell them by myself) < 1424042600 594009 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1424042614 9655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424042699 148047 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1424043429 85229 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424043919 668359 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1424044205 357139 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424044685 845718 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric