< 1424044966 512212 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1424045348 380436 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424045414 835335 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424046062 345175 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1424046298 383115 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-11-60.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424047478 291871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 anyway, 1972 is over 25 years ago <-- 40 hth < 1424047478 478141 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1424047520 809806 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that makes no sense < 1424047529 519531 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :40 years is, like, 2 of my lifetimes < 1424047570 935369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know jesus was born more than 100 of your lifetimes ago hth < 1424047635 445302 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1424047651 724877 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't he born in, like, 6 BC < 1424047666 728331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that. < 1424047701 600866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying it's only 99? < 1424047730 223657 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2015 - 20 * 100 < 1424047731 513197 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 15 < 1424047740 855901 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying it's 101 < 1424047774 552322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the date is a bit approximate so... < 1424047935 634196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know the great pyramid was finished more than 227 of your lifetimes ago hth < 1424048040 227022 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, that's 111 of your life times ago then, oerjan? < 1424048057 34101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 111*44 < 1424048058 351722 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4884 < 1424048076 467686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT QUITE < 1424048103 389997 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks good... wow I can't remember when the great pyramids were built. < 1424048113 498279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _did_ google it hth < 1424048153 559198 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. I know Chleopatra lived closer in time to the moon landings than the building of those pyramids. < 1424048167 254583 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can figure this out without google. < 1424048178 149014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i resolved the other day to look up the date for the fall of constantinople, only so i could give a cheeky in case someone asked me when the roman empire fell. < 1424048210 488212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cleopatra was only about 50 years before jesus < 1424048250 681586 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny how Western Civilisation gradual moved eastward over the centuries. < 1424048263 761026 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Italy, Turkey... then Russia. < 1424048277 689978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually just 30, she survived caesar by some years < 1424048285 947823 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always mistake 50 BCE with 50CE. < 1424048302 976413 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Together with Marky Marc. < 1424048305 876563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: well it first moved westward from greece hth < 1424048318 390910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it probably never left greece, which included turkey < 1424048319 407340 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True that. < 1424048337 624303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see: fall of constantinople) < 1424048368 280053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah 1453 < 1424048384 599014 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not 1467 (I think)? < 1424048417 220217 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there's some different views about the exact date. < 1424048421 897081 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To wikipedia! < 1424048440 435339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1424048469 157531 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blurgh. < 1424048510 711142 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right. I must be confusing the confusion with something else. < 1424048537 241893 :gde33|2!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1424048567 603773 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424048750 844869 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1424048846 839835 :gde33|2!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424048918 704438 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424048966 716674 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am really enjoying Linear Algebra < 1424048981 232956 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I ought to go to sleep now so I can get to my LA lecture in 9 hours < 1424049088 835298 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424049133 288567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+answer < 1424049365 290770 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1424049549 358460 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424049578 217597 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424051602 847602 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-11-60.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1424052839 528651 :v^!~^v@c-68-36-225-16.hsd1.nj.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424052976 367495 :^v!~^v@c-68-36-225-16.hsd1.nj.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424053255 624272 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1424054264 175900 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! < 1424054601 982342 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SEMILATTICE CHICKEN < 1424055680 373397 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424056557 616982 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.20 QUIT :Quit: Going, going, gone. < 1424056820 960794 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424057571 177709 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424058095 605541 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424058771 733020 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Rottytooth 5* 10moved [[02A programming language is an artificial language designed to communicate instructions to a machine, particularly a computer.10]] to [[A programming language is a formal constructed language designed to communicate instructions to a machine, particularly a computer.]]: Updating to reflect new first sentence of Wik < 1424058944 394499 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07A programming language is a formal constructed language designed to communicate instructions to a machine, particularly a computer.14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41914&oldid=41912 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+122) 10changed name of language, to match Wikipedia entry < 1424059011 523295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb prepending a paragraph saying just "brainfuck" to the wikipedia page < 1424059052 630246 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07A programming language is a formal constructed language designed to communicate instructions to a machine, particularly a computer.14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41915&oldid=41914 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+149) 10/* Overview */ < 1424059959 557551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm freefall mystery solved < 1424060086 365777 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424060194 304274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i think he may have retconned the previous one < 1424060233 254526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i distinctly thought it implied more clearly that there was just one order < 1424060288 924255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the last bubble in today's is lampshading it. < 1424060738 552563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1424060738 822385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the forum unfortunately links directly to the same image url < 1424061288 484007 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424061562 811959 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1424061576 914531 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424063048 299798 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1424063114 700885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah mark stanley admits to having forgotten it < 1424064150 19680 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424065169 622423 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1424066244 252222 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424068033 409663 :kapil__!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lrvxkzhfcrptjhaq JOIN :#esoteric < 1424068843 270610 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1424069867 12779 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1424070396 388328 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424070398 262065 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424070474 807739 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.13 QUIT :Client Quit < 1424070493 113029 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.13 NICK :AndoDaan < 1424070528 9681 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1424072501 953391 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424074502 857393 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1424074598 575005 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424075768 447321 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424075788 143369 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.13 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424076831 420325 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.13 NICK :AndoDaan < 1424076859 427230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1424078049 681051 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAKMEM says "The myth that any given programming language is machine independent is easily exploded by computing the sum of powers of 2. [...] If arithmetic overflow is a fatal error, some fascist pig [...] is trying to enforce machine independence. But the very ability to trap overflow is machine dependent." < 1424078055 318354 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1424078074 112508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that it could be implemented in a machine independent way actually, although that might slow down the program. < 1424078142 35961 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also most computer in use today is twos complement, and if it isn't you can still imitate such things) < 1424078288 143472 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hello < 1424078290 191200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also item 149 is algorithm to draw circle. With arithmetic bit shifting it would be: for(;;) { x-=y>>n; y+=x>>n; plot(x,y); } where n is a parameter, and the initial value of x and y are parameters. < 1424078326 308748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you could set n=8 to do it with 8-bit computers. < 1424078411 459534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could do it with only addition and subtraction (and carrying)! < 1424078493 556164 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt (1 + 1/256^2) < 1424078495 69332 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0000076293654276 < 1424078518 244604 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 + 1/2^15 < 1424078519 646271 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.000030517578125 < 1424078528 444605 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 + 1/2^17 < 1424078529 893735 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0000076293945313 < 1424078998 499210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424079843 536017 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424079944 674171 :jameseb-!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io NICK :jameseb < 1424080314 907411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: meeting < 1424081867 639049 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I can't come up with a real world use for the .map function" " it's a treatment for a symptom from anonymous functions, that you shouldn't even use in the first place." ... these kids today. < 1424082256 329924 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1424082280 329956 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lap is like the best thing ever < 1424082371 44294 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! it should be called "collect" or "transform" < 1424082530 41387 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :collect is just plain wrong < 1424082785 953938 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? collect is what smalltalk uses, it can't be wrong. < 1424082813 215130 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424082894 660604 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(together with select, inject, detect) < 1424082896 913158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424083342 813207 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1424083425 770667 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :collect sounds more like reduce/fold but nothing like map < 1424083451 182508 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1424083816 913592 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :real world use of map function: activation function over weighted sum output, in neural network. < 1424083824 946895 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it's computer jargon, fixed once smalltalk got popular enough. just like how "||" now means logical or even if you think it seems more like string concatenation. < 1424083844 316712 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's better than "map" which means two different things < 1424083860 383397 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? < 1424083860 530129 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reduce is called "inject" in smalltalk < 1424083877 837223 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inject sounds weird < 1424083888 870304 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only familiar with the map from perl < 1424083937 337745 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: sure, "map" means collect/transform in perl, but means dictionary or associative array in C++ or haskell < 1424083996 280070 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. well those meaning are related through the math meaning of it. < 1424084008 675969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "select" is _much_ worse < 1424084016 79896 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means like ten different things in computers < 1424084017 995624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a list < 1424084037 831774 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for that, I recommend "filter" instead, which is what haskell calls it < 1424084041 490413 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still picture the select button from my gameboy when I read the word select < 1424084045 748976 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "find_all" if you prefer < 1424084064 648251 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=295576 has the list on how many things "select" means < 1424084073 47943 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the game boy button isn't listed < 1424084425 194377 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1424084447 22836 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1424084528 906968 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424085602 282672 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424085635 908319 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.13 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424085876 904078 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424086181 964667 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424086693 819123 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.95.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424086913 993733 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1424087280 606024 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1424088676 897553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: map is collect in Haskell... < 1424088677 502753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t map < 1424088678 342671 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b) -> [a] -> [b] < 1424088687 228048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's also Data.Map though, yeah) < 1424088688 706468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and fmap) < 1424088717 120326 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, right, in Haskell it means _both_ < 1424089328 469665 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: TRIMETHYLXANTHINE CHICKEN < 1424090248 532323 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-238.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1424091415 570685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424093161 610703 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1424093555 870187 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424093767 842050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1424094112 990126 :NihilistDandy!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1424094702 306501 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424094814 996986 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424094853 475157 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io JOIN :#esoteric < 1424095282 914792 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1424095481 934221 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A trick here is to use keyboard macros to do the boilerplate." Oh the horror. < 1424095663 660965 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424095905 668353 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Quine < 1424095937 793237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure a quine collection does that well at comparing languages < 1424095969 141474 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424096003 139198 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that burlesque quine sucks D: < 1424096094 534295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a better one? < 1424096112 879279 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im tnot good at burleque < 1424096158 471168 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1=(write '#1# :circle t) this common lisp one is very funny < 1424096216 139853 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :canwe please disallow self evaluating forms as "quines" :| < 1424096217 916289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I picked 25 because that's when patents expire < 1424096218 62676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1424096273 957982 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the frink one < 1424096334 88938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think you could do better for Befunge < 1424096337 819760 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x))) ; <3 < 1424096355 551465 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ HQ9+ < 1424096359 186480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use a mismatched double quote character to put the entire program both inside and outside itself < 1424096369 88129 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, woah :D < 1424096373 464409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that java one by int-e < 1424096407 342793 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like, a string but you enter from orthogonally (or through a trampoline) so it's also not a string? < 1424096422 399926 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do something similar in perl and lua, when I both eval a string a use its value < 1424096423 884146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, we have one that works like that on the wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Befunge#Quine < 1424096427 416681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's possible to do better though < 1424096436 380404 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and there's such an obfuscation for dc too) < 1424096453 791278 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :R is a room. To quit: (- quit; -). When play begins: say entry 1 in Q; say Q in brace notation; quit. Q is a list of text variable. Q is {"R is a room. To quit: (- quit; -). When play begins: say entry 1 in Q; say Q in brace notation; quit. Q is a list of text variable. Q is "} < 1424096458 547623 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Inform! < 1424096480 580877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my favourite style of quine is one that's easy to translate to any language, < 1424096488 774720 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely one where you index an array of strings with an array of numbers < 1424096492 207303 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like seeing the different categories of quine < 1424096493 55603 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASIC's is my favorite: 10 LIST < 1424096496 796079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint+("print+(","\"",",","\\",")[g1012131121212133121414=~/./g]")[g1012131121212133121414=~/./g] < 1424096497 646837 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print+("print+(","\"",",","\\",")[g1012131121212133121414=~/./g]")[g1012131121212133121414=~/./g] < 1424096501 941616 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually used that one as a kid for something IIRC. < 1424096550 664710 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ;@(2 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 2 0&{)'''';';';';@(2 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 2 0&{)' < 1424096551 276223 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ;@(2 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 2 0&{)'''';';';';@(2 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 2 0&{)' < 1424096555 490297 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint+("print+(","\"",",","\\",")[h=~/./g]")[h=~/./g] < 1424096558 799564 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print+( < 1424096562 261340 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ;2 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 2 0{'''';';';';2 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 2 0{' < 1424096562 908313 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ;2 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 2 0{'''';';';';2 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 2 0{' < 1424096570 311664 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is g1012131121212133121414 ? < 1424096590 364361 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: it's a bareword, a string literal < 1424096615 482552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge "0<>,#:_@#-2*66 < 1424096619 647387 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsupported instruction 'ÿ' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ 0<>,#:_@#-2*66ÿ . < 1424096634 299057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on HackEgo < 1424096638 320040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't put the EOF onto the playfield < 1424096652 988598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I forgot a comma < 1424096656 619478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge "0<>,#:_@#,-2*66 < 1424096657 600541 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsupported instruction 'ÿ' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ "<>,#:_@#,-2*66ÿ . < 1424096658 879990 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1424096687 483431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm handling the end of the string wrong < 1424096689 623572 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint+("print+(","\"",",","\\",")[g1017131121212133121414=~/./g]")[g1017131121212133121414=~/./g] < 1424096689 770321 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it there < 1424096690 223417 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print+("print+(""\"",",","\\",")[g1017131121212133121414=~/./g]")[g1017131121212133121414=~/./g] < 1424096693 670542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge "0<>:#,_@#,-2*66 < 1424096694 584209 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsupported instruction 'ÿ' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ "<>:#,_@#,-2*66ÿ < 1424096733 708282 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to matter, what the name of g is.. why? < 1424096815 379286 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: any letter instead of g works < 1424096830 664555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm < 1424096833 905660 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you expplain what it does < 1424096839 379265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anagolf is also putting an EOF on the playfield < 1424096846 791812 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: you need a letter, because if you wrote 01017131121212133121414 it would stringify as exponential < 1424096860 522362 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint 1017131121212133121414 < 1424096863 66488 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.01713112121213e+21 < 1424096865 162702 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint 01017131121212133121414 < 1424096865 676249 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9496725008436470540 < 1424096873 483940 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint g1017131121212133121414 < 1424096874 223948 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1424096880 870413 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im asking about the number < 1424096952 460960 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint+("print+(","\"",",","\\",")[g8888=~/./g]")[g8888=~/./g] < 1424096952 977147 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print+( < 1424096967 408274 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint+("print+(","\"",",","\\",")[g1118888=~/./g]")[g1118888=~/./g] < 1424096968 12937 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print+(""" < 1424096993 109531 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint+("zero ","one ","two ","three ")[3,1,0,0,1] < 1424096993 741997 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :three one zero zero one < 1424097002 153178 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint+("zero ","one ","two ","three ")[31001=~/./g] < 1424097002 996604 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :three one zero zero one < 1424097006 291274 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: ^ < 1424097015 950752 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the digits are indexes to a list of strings < 1424097032 616821 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks! < 1424097039 558041 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1424097041 630460 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why it works in almost any language, because you can create a list of strings in almost any language, and a list of integers too, and index one by the other < 1424097056 442583 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it will not be so short, probably < 1424097066 822919 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it's not as short as other quines, not even in perl < 1424097079 836077 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's also not very long < 1424097082 13963 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41916&oldid=41873 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1) 10/* External resources */ site has moved < 1424097092 700 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written a kilobyte long quine in C long ago < 1424097092 147363 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one you wrote in J uses the same idea < 1424097097 343635 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1424097103 85802 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool < 1424097115 576327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=661934 has shorter quines in perl < 1424097137 424465 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1424097141 809209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on < 1424097145 869206 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written a new quine today which im proud of < 1424097148 540983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this online IDE crashed when I divided by zero < 1424097153 505768 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1424097156 166199 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't divide by zero! < 1424097157 323406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge 00/@ < 1424097162 165038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: this is befunge, though < 1424097166 872015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has defined behaviour on dividing by zero < 1424097168 977434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't that < 1424097171 989251 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1424097188 108404 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1424097235 925207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: online befunge IDE? < 1424097239 183997 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1424097245 701636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://www.tutorialspoint.com/compile_befunge_online.php < 1424097248 116653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that good, though < 1424097250 497116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't even divide by zero < 1424097260 829156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking for an online debugger though < 1424097260 975655 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone wrote a quine on perl whichs loads up the perlmonks thread and prints that post out < 1424097269 693160 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the post containing his own quine haha < 1424097294 180529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's not putting an EOF on the playfield < 1424097311 36495 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any online befunge interpreter < 1424097314 136917 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1424097317 866530 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't hackego have one? < 1424097322 492823 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the other bot < 1424097324 700292 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1424097329 12182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, here it is: http://www.quirkster.com/iano/js/befunge.html < 1424097384 471729 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Save the following line to a file named "/tmp/p" and run as: perl /tmp/p < 1424097384 618746 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illegal division by zero at /tmp/p line 1. < 1424097508 29255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: kimian quine < 1424097517 561105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised that that gives a divide-by-zero, though < 1424097524 706608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it'd fail to parse after three barewords < 1424097531 879554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! perl one two three four five siz < 1424097532 975512 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't locate object method "five" via package "siz" (perhaps you forgot to load "siz"?) at /tmp/input.290 line 1. < 1424097534 403902 :TieSleep!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1424097536 391931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! perl one two three four five six < 1424097537 352521 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't locate object method "five" via package "six" (perhaps you forgot to load "six"?) at /tmp/input.290 line 1. < 1424097542 327262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! perl one two three < 1424097544 531948 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't locate object method "one" via package "two" (perhaps you forgot to load "two"?) at /tmp/input.291 line 1. < 1424097550 753244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, exactly < 1424097566 252234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! perl Illegal division by zero at /tmp/input.292 line 1. < 1424097572 394050 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bareword found where operator expected at /tmp/input.290 line 1, near "292 line" \ (Missing operator before line?) \ Number found where operator expected at /tmp/input.290 line 1, near "line 1." \ (Do you need to predeclare line?) \ syntax error at /tmp/input.290 line 1, near "292 line " \ Execution of /tmp/input.290 aborted due to compilation er < 1424097593 465861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it seems that the chained barewords can be interpreted as one big chain of method calls < 1424097737 406970 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! error < 1424097738 182178 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/error: not found < 1424097748 509759 :kapil__!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lrvxkzhfcrptjhaq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1424097748 656193 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! /hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/error: not found < 1424097749 196737 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin//hackenv/bin/!:: not found < 1424097755 947633 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! /hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin//hackenv/bin/!:: not found < 1424097756 553316 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin//hackenv/bin/!:: not found < 1424097760 224095 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1424097770 754558 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :if missing `! is ok < 1424097838 10567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a hackego quine? < 1424097840 388394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^quine < 1424097847 164860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, fungot isn't here < 1424097848 933349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine < 1424097881 285662 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/quine: 2: cd: can't cd to /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ ls: cannot access ????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory < 1424097919 954237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1424097932 18037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine worked by grepping the logs for the most recent `quine command < 1424097965 131158 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/quine: 2: cd: can't cd to /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ ls: cannot access ????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory < 1424098026 353959 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, befunge calls it "bridge", not "trampoline" < 1424098046 482218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge "0<>:#,_@#0,-2*66 < 1424098047 389571 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :????-??-??.txt :O < 1424098047 535818 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​" < 1424098049 215312 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it was developped by hardware guys who know how wires work < 1424098058 364407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge "0<>:#,_@#1,-2*66 < 1424098059 288570 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"0<>:#,_@#1,-2*66 < 1424098063 432082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go :-) < 1424098078 379147 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome !!! < 1424098079 345937 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in befunge, could you use the g command to read the program? < 1424098079 815016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to add a bunch of trailing spaces because this Befunge interp puts EOF on the playfield for some reason < 1424098087 210468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, you could < 1424098090 868616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this way's more elegant though < 1424098094 388036 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :tha'ts really short < 1424098100 615891 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :`x < 1424098101 586592 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: x: not found < 1424098125 297208 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1424098142 193568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the shortest befunge quine on anagolf works like you suggest < 1424098153 76171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0g:,%1+ and a NUL character, by flagitious < 1424098196 425358 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait, how does your quine work? doesn't befunge start at the top left corner going right? if so, the double quote puts it to string mode but how does it exit that? < 1424098199 70538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the look of it, that relies on the program exiting upon mod-0, which probably counts as cheating < 1424098205 147910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the program wraps around < 1424098210 123570 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1424098213 943344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that quote is both the start and end of the string < 1424098218 85951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what I think is so elegant < 1424098219 699410 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the best type of cheating :D < 1424098246 612653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge "<>:#,_@#1,-2*66 < 1424098247 513125 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"<>:#,_@#1,-2*66 66*2-,1#@_,#:>< < 1424098252 907528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, that's why I needed the 0 < 1424098259 240050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge "0<>:#,_@#1,-2*66 < 1424098263 626887 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"0<>:#,_@#1,-2*66 < 1424098306 839875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge98 "0<>:#,_@#1,-2*66 < 1424098314 585190 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"0<>:#,_@#1,-2*66 < 1424098319 437261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still works :-) < 1424098325 744580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge98 '"r:#,_@#1,-2*66 < 1424098326 697685 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​" r:#,_@#1,-2*66 '" < 1424098343 655989 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge ",,,@hello < 1424098344 499126 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1424098350 449792 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`befunge ",,,@hello < 1424098351 142089 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: befunge: not found < 1424098352 533975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge98 '"r:#,_@# < 1424098354 686515 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r:#,_@# '" < 1424098357 544479 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :quine :- < 1424098357 691150 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : listing(quine). < 1424098361 605982 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im disappointed with hte prolog quine < 1424098373 70978 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hink this shoudn't count < 1424098375 931464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a cheat-quine < 1424098379 845536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon we can do better < 1424098389 891299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me think about this < 1424098393 705932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have prolog in HackEgo? < 1424098403 784353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! prolog :- write("test"). < 1424098404 646425 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/prolog: not found < 1424098407 26952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1424098409 284902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try this local then < 1424098415 872111 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still trying to understand this befunge stuff < 1424098421 917533 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`befunge ",,, < 1424098422 441843 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: befunge: not found < 1424098424 617831 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://swish.swi-prolog.org/ this is a prolog < 1424098426 119080 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge ",,, < 1424098426 967229 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ Unsupported instruction 'ÿ' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction 'ÿ' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction 'ÿ' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction 'ÿ' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction 'ÿ' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) < 1424098431 706420 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge ",,, < 1424098435 580603 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ Unsupported instruction 'ÿ' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction 'ÿ' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction 'ÿ' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction 'ÿ' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction 'ÿ' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) < 1424098440 551539 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge ",,, < 1424098441 515304 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1424098450 111241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, the stack isn't even starting full of zeroes? < 1424098452 938537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that interp sucks < 1424098490 951997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: quick, code a better one in two lines of perl or C or something and teach it to HackEgo < 1424098533 212174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge "<@,,, < 1424098534 785014 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​<@, < 1424098572 128373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge "<@>,,,,@# < 1424098572 978064 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​<@>,,,,@ < 1424098578 419379 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge "<@>,,,,,@# < 1424098579 385444 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​<@>,,,,,@# < 1424098686 161879 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1424098714 792932 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quore is missing < 1424098754 661217 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1424098760 775550 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, you have to add that < 1424098794 996173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why ais has that 66*2- thing in his < 1424098803 885279 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :puts < let iter a b = a+b +1 in let again = 1:1: zipWith iter again (tail again) in take 8 again < 1424126782 429543 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,3,5,9,15,25,41] < 1424126807 833306 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let iter a b = a+b +1 in let again = 1:1: zipWith iter again (tail again) in unwords . map show . take 8 $ again < 1424126809 204592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1 1 3 5 9 15 25 41" < 1424126886 490498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1424126886 636884 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 said 8h 31m 8s ago: I picked 25 because that's when patents expire < 1424126890 796794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1424126977 245159 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1424126998 325414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :patents are evil hth < 1424127327 713487 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote patents < 1424127334 434710 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? patents < 1424127335 780609 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :457) software patents strike again that's got to be at least three times, now are they out yet? \ 1059) patents do seem to encourage innovation, but much of it is innovation on how to make things slightly worse to avoid patents < 1424127346 671852 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :patents? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1424127578 507447 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :patents are devices that allow lawyers to profit from other people's inventions. < 1424127621 452007 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a patent lawyer that knows that feel < 1424127647 991121 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tihnk a really long paper was written about the entirety of the patent system < 1424127655 165412 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should ask them for it < 1424127670 868 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it'd send them right out of a job, they are retiring age anyways < 1424127685 128813 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: ah, but in mathematics, almost nothing is a sequence of bytes! < 1424127725 42416 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're the kind of mathematician who believes that the only objects which "really exist" are computer programs. < 1424127734 321021 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And things representable as computer programs. < 1424127751 418690 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only objects that really exist are, um, actual objects < 1424127769 443975 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like laptops, or coffee beans < 1424127770 919882 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need more stallman in this channel < 1424127771 614115 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um ins't an object. < 1424127781 317157 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*isnt' < 1424127785 94163 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "antimathematician", who believes that no abstract mathematical objects exist at all. < 1424127796 19334 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad < 1424127797 832378 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do < 1424127806 669482 :dulla!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What isn't a category < 1424127816 967347 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Addition is commutative? Well, it depends on which sorts of objects you're moving around. < 1424127856 245424 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if they're, say, water and sulfuric acid? Any chemistry student knows that water plus sulfuric acid is not the same thing as sulfuric acid plus water. < 1424127912 552307 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But adding acid to watta is how you oughtta. < 1424127912 992529 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one case, an accident waiting to happen (the acid will sploosh) in the other way it is safe < 1424127936 103847 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that from grade 12 chem < 1424127978 358261 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't beleive Nethack supposedly thinks of everything, but makes water the only clear potion. < 1424128011 274066 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :magick < 1424128016 948786 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRL most liquids are clear < 1424128021 441116 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, Nethack characters perceive the world entirely through scent. Water is the only unscented potion. < 1424128054 602280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands oren some tea water with hardly any polonium in it < 1424128067 330427 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Johnny was a Chemist's Son would make a great special death screen, though. < 1424128069 618897 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can they make out detailed images, you ask? < 1424128078 626234 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the reason for the rule, but then I learnt the rule both backwards and forwards, so I don't know what you're supposed to do to avoid the acid splashing accident < 1424128107 442412 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :add acid to water, and use a stirring stick to guide the stream < 1424128116 487453 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acid to watta, just like you outta. < 1424128117 196947 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily I haven't had a reason to mix acid and water < 1424128136 62511 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not water to acid, that's stupid and placid. < 1424128153 974758 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple. They have special organs which smell photons. The photons are focused by refractive elements. < 1424128166 320432 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, "placid" means "peaceful". (Right?) < 1424128167 108017 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Water In Acid spells "wise" in swedish, so it sounds like that would be the rule :) < 1424128301 173023 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically, making mixed drinks usually involves mixing acids with water < 1424128312 877164 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not strong ones < 1424128318 55429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: syre og vann gÃ¥r an, men vann og syre er uhyre hth < 1424128320 250230 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though *typically* you don't make mixed drinks with particularly dangerous acids. < 1424128329 239599 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant lazy. < 1424128348 161781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1424128352 992433 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mange takk < 1424128353 618979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/og/i/g < 1424128364 840490 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess unless you consider Coke. It's dilute, but Coke has phosphoric acid in it. < 1424128369 784937 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which can be crazy dangerous. < 1424128388 569221 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coca cola is a common part of mixed drink < 1424128413 561047 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you should add coca cola to rum, not the other way round < 1424128430 989322 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 QUIT :Quit: :qa! < 1424128451 467926 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the rule applies specifically to sulfuric acid, doesn't it? < 1424128466 977069 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true of most possibly-dangerous acids. < 1424128475 444111 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think just more so of sulfuric. < 1424128486 514078 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424128487 775679 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i learned it we were using hydrochloric acid < 1424128537 21821 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, suppose you dilute sulfuric acid to the point where it just has a mildly sour taste. < 1424128547 770681 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How dangerous would it be to drink? < 1424128595 225026 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arright, I'm going to see if the definition of a topos allows you to define a topos in a topos. < 1424128620 48383 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine it would be very good to drink. Sulfur is not particularly good in biology. < 1424128630 153548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :r.i.p. tswettception < 1424128702 37758 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine hydrochloric acid would be safer < 1424128727 725091 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does the chlorine in salt you eat go? < 1424128757 30343 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it go into urine? < 1424128793 283192 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read tiny bits about the medical significance of positive ions like sodium and potassium, but I don't know anything about the significance of chloride. < 1424128804 492461 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that it's in stomach acid. < 1424128825 243019 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chloride ions are apparently used in the kidneys. < 1424128851 255953 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a few other random weird places. < 1424128876 745089 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but how do they exit the body? < 1424128893 219280 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, huh. For instance it's used to balance the acidity of the blood. < 1424128908 45459 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably urine. < 1424128948 650927 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually definitely. < 1424128965 110863 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lessee. A topos is a category with all equalizers, all finite products, and all power objects? < 1424129003 607930 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there you go. It's used in the body and excess is excreted in urine. < 1424129034 636690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: apparently, sodium sulfate is not toxic, so the main danger of sulfuric acid should be its corrosiveness < 1424129044 340978 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Well then, there you go. < 1424129044 973830 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh silly me. stomach acid -is- HCl, so of course HCl would be safe to eat as long as it's not strong enough to burn < 1424129051 235635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also believing patent is bad things. Maybe it may have been a bit useful much in the past, but these days it is very bad. < 1424129126 230971 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424129159 446632 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, how would you define a "topos in a topos"... < 1424129217 224255 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There'd have to be an object Ob which is the object of objects. < 1424129251 445000 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what you want is a family Ar of objects indexed by Ob * Ob. < 1424129260 681358 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, Ob * Ob need not be a set. < 1424129313 279343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall that sweat also contains salt < 1424129419 688246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm seems to be sodium but not chlorine < 1424129451 683172 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, so sweating a lot will leave you with excess chlorine? < 1424129617 755972 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1424129802 223836 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1424129972 925224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Unlicensed files OK on esolang wiki? Is WTFPL licensed files OK on esolang wiki? Unlicense is public domain too like CC0 is; I believe WTFPL is also effectively public domain, but I don't know what wiki administration would have you believe about such thing. < 1424130038 145771 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1424130067 609271 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The WTFPL license text itself though requires only that modified versions of the license aren't called the same as the original.) < 1424130132 979322 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1424130195 925395 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1424130214 316028 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You certainly can't put copyrighted stuff there without a license. < 1424130232 41736 :teuchter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-oizspvzjutucgddp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1424130236 415674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm guessing the problem might be that simple licenses like WTFPL won't successfully release as many rights as CC0 in all jurisdictions? < 1424130327 878423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the secondary problem is that even if it does, it would take significant work from lawyers to clarify that it does < 1424130334 220033 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it does allow you to relicense it under CC0 and treat it as if it is always CC0. < 1424130367 995373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if it says so explicitly it should be ok? < 1424130373 666017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1424130408 76062 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be an interesting copyright license: "You are permitted to release this work under any license." < 1424130408 909010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it just says that you "DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO"; they say that implies anything can be done, so that would include relicensing under CC0 like that < 1424130427 763952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or making it just public domain if that is legal in your jurisdiction < 1424130429 938375 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't actually let you do much directly, but you could just give yourself a license to do whatever. < 1424130444 354529 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, making things public domain is a felony in my jurisdiction. < 1424130447 679811 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NB: Just kidding.) < 1424130473 400749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only restriction is that modified version of the license itself cannot be called WTFPL. < 1424130520 500031 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a discordian license? < 1424130536 488800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless it seems unlikely that any program licensed by WTFPL is one you would likely need to post on esolang wiki, but it is something that might happen. < 1424130557 112508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I don't know. I think it is just public domain isn't it? < 1424130579 925661 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may use software under this license only if you disregard the terms of this license. < 1424130667 485119 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may release this work under any license except this license or any other license the work has previously been released under. < 1424130690 187646 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1424130734 803797 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more work, it should require that the new license includes that clause or something sufficiently like it < 1424130764 602029 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step 1: Sells software usnder a closed source license with a "this licesne may be changed at time without notice" clause. < 1424130778 37020 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step 2: Wait for it to be sued widely among software developers. < 1424130789 614796 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may release this work under any license L as long as you can give a proof that L does not allow anyone to release the work under this license. < 1424130811 810098 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step 3: Without notice, change your license to make it so anyone using it needs to relase any software developed on the same comptuer to the public domain. < 1424130852 966978 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: only "this license"? not L too? < 1424130887 327980 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This license", yes. < 1424130913 964085 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This license isn't indicate dto be L, though. < 1424130933 220110 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This license" is the license I just stated, not L. < 1424130949 228550 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1424130969 180700 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…